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« on: September 05, 2018, 02:50:37 am »

Prince Charles and Princess Diana made an official visit to Paris, France. Would you say on this occasion Charles had been allowed to shine? He delivered speeches in French. Diana understood French but could not speak French.
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« Reply #1 on: September 05, 2018, 02:59:39 am »

Charles had his good moments, sure!  They're few and far between, but that's what probably makes them memorable.
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« Reply #2 on: September 05, 2018, 03:26:51 am »

Charles was always shining; NOTHING would change the fact that no matter how popular his wife was, he was still going to be THE king and regrettably he lost sight of that very fact the entire time he was married. He made the mistake of thinking that being less glamorous or popular with the press somehow diminished his status as future king. It's a pity since if he had handled it right (and actually decided to stop listening to his friends) he would even still be married.
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« Reply #3 on: September 06, 2018, 02:48:33 am »

^"He would still be married" to a lovely Diana who would make a radiant Queen.
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« Reply #4 on: September 06, 2018, 03:17:34 am »

You know, I think that if Charles had been more appreciative of her popularity and his wife's charisma, he could have used that to promote his own causes. IF he had gotten rid of Camilla, or at least kept his wife pregnant so she could have her houseful of kids, the dynasty would be more secure.
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« Reply #5 on: September 06, 2018, 06:43:09 pm »

^ Yes, and if he had let go of his jealously of Diana's popularity he might have seen the enormous benefits it brought to the BRF.  Diana was younger than him and a beautiful woman with loads of charisma. They could have been a great team in bringing the BRF more up to date.
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« Reply #6 on: September 06, 2018, 06:51:01 pm »

If both had just conformed to their lives with no whining, I am certain that things would be better. Thing is, that neither respected HM's wishes to find some kind of balance in their lives and while I blame Charles big time, I do believe that Diana should have thought things through more carefully.

Diana and Charles were the future, but they were not the King and Queen Consort and so it wasn't their place to decide how the monarchy should be, much less make their views on how the monarchy is run public. Both Charles and Diana got way ahead of themselves in certain areas and it was never Charles' place to blast his parents, just as it wasn't Diana's place to indirectly accuse the Sovereign of a plot to destroy her life.
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« Reply #7 on: September 07, 2018, 02:43:48 pm »

However, even when Diana was only 19 and during the engagement the first signs of Charles' jealousy showed, even on the first walkabout. he publicly said I'll have to get used to the backs of photographers when she's around. Diana was young and inexperienced but even then he just could not help himself. I think counseling was sorely needed for him to stop thinking himself the center of the universe and getting jealous. I think his grandmother enforced the image that he was "special."
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« Reply #8 on: September 07, 2018, 05:02:22 pm »

Agree; he postures as a politician, but almost all politicians would KILL to have a wife like Diana who brought out the crowds she did. Most politicians would get rid of the mistress and disown friends who bashed the wife, but Charles did  the exact opposite.

Charles' additional flaw is how he kept getting above himself, meddling in politics when it is the SOVEREIGN who has the right to guide, advise, and warn the government.
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« Reply #9 on: September 08, 2018, 02:55:10 am »

Sandy, I do agree that Diana was inexperienced in the early years. However, she drew the crowds. If Charles only realized he had a gem of a spouse.
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« Reply #10 on: March 16, 2019, 10:07:42 pm »

Charles was the focal point. He was a Prince of the Blood. Without marriage to him, Diana would have remained Lady Diana Frances Spencer until her marriage to a different gentleman.
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« Reply #11 on: March 16, 2019, 11:04:30 pm »

Diana had royal blood as well and was an aristo and this was one reason Charles had her on the 'list' of eligible women to marry. Her bloodlines brought in Stuart King lines into the family. The same can be said of Charles if he had not been born first  and Andrew was the first son he would not have been Prince of Wales. When Diana married Charles she got all his ranks and titles and she was popular. Too bad CHarles did not appreciate her.
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« Reply #12 on: March 16, 2019, 11:31:42 pm »

None of that matters in regards to who is or isn't on a throne. Charles is the future King and I am certain that if he had remembered it and basically grew up and learned to have more confidence and maturity, he would have appreciated it and had a fabulous marriage. Camilla was feeding him unhealthy victimized martyrdom to keep him from growing up, being faithful to his wife, and also he could have ended up being the man his ancestors were. Diana had just about everything to make any man fabulously deliriously happy. Any politician would NEVER have let their mistress mess with the mind of his wife. He is destined to be King with all that power and he has the gall to end up being relevant to tabloids and gossip columnists when he could have been relevant to so much more powerful people. Without Camilla, he could be seasoned at making regular speeches at the UN, schmoozing his way into the respect that he so yearns for and enjoying life to the full. He could be running Wales or he could be Viceroy for HM and enjoying a taste of his future power.

Charles had always shined and second, before he married Diana or even dated her, he WAS the shining star.
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« Reply #13 on: March 16, 2019, 11:38:16 pm »

It is sad though that Charles was super popular the action man and behind the scenes he was going in for seedy behavior with his friends' wives (including Kanga Tryon). Too bad he did not have mentors that advised him on ethical and moral behavior. Mountbatten steered him into sowing wild oats so his granddaughter Amanda would have time to come of age and CHarles  would marry her. No previous monarch allowed the mistress to dictate terms and disrespect the wife. Camilla would not have been allowed to behave the way she did by Charles ancestors. Edward VIi did not allow any of his mistresses to  usurp the wife's place plus he did not stop sleeping with the wife after they had the heir and spare. DIana was not allowed to have a normal marriage thanks to the influence of Camilla on CHarles. CHarles naming Camilla also did not give him the chance to choose a more suitable consort as a second wife not marry the mistress. He really made a mess of his life.
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« Reply #14 on: March 19, 2019, 08:56:58 pm »

None of that matters in regards to who is or isn't on a throne. Charles is the future King and I am certain that if he had remembered it and basically grew up and learned to have more confidence and maturity, he would have appreciated it and had a fabulous marriage. Camilla was feeding him unhealthy victimized martyrdom to keep him from growing up, being faithful to his wife, and also he could have ended up being the man his ancestors were. Diana had just about everything to make any man fabulously deliriously happy. Any politician would NEVER have let their mistress mess with the mind of his wife. He is destined to be King with all that power and he has the gall to end up being relevant to tabloids and gossip columnists when he could have been relevant to so much more powerful people. Without Camilla, he could be seasoned at making regular speeches at the UN, schmoozing his way into the respect that he so yearns for and enjoying life to the full. He could be running Wales or he could be Viceroy for HM and enjoying a taste of his future power.

Charles had always shined and second, before he married Diana or even dated her, he WAS the shining star.

Very true. He was a prince and direct first heir to the BRF for goodness sake. By that proxy alone he was a star. It wasn't like he was some anonymous schmuck whose wife shot to fame and he was left in the dust. All those years of being known, talked about, photographed, etc and his ego was still too fragile to allow his wife to have some shine of her own without turning into a complete man-child. I don't get people like that.
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« Reply #15 on: March 20, 2019, 02:55:58 pm »

His first wife was a lot younger and was very nervous at first about being on walkabouts. Even so she became popular. Charles' mistake was not seeing her as a complement to him and be proud of her.
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« Reply #16 on: March 21, 2019, 01:39:47 am »

He couldn't because he is a self centered whiny little brat.
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« Reply #17 on: March 21, 2019, 11:42:50 pm »

None of that matters in regards to who is or isn't on a throne. Charles is the future King and I am certain that if he had remembered it and basically grew up and learned to have more confidence and maturity, he would have appreciated it and had a fabulous marriage. Camilla was feeding him unhealthy victimized martyrdom to keep him from growing up, being faithful to his wife, and also he could have ended up being the man his ancestors were. Diana had just about everything to make any man fabulously deliriously happy. Any politician would NEVER have let their mistress mess with the mind of his wife. He is destined to be King with all that power and he has the gall to end up being relevant to tabloids and gossip columnists when he could have been relevant to so much more powerful people. Without Camilla, he could be seasoned at making regular speeches at the UN, schmoozing his way into the respect that he so yearns for and enjoying life to the full. He could be running Wales or he could be Viceroy for HM and enjoying a taste of his future power.

Charles had always shined and second, before he married Diana or even dated her, he WAS the shining star.

Very true. He was a prince and direct first heir to the BRF for goodness sake. By that proxy alone he was a star. It wasn't like he was some anonymous schmuck whose wife shot to fame and he was left in the dust. All those years of being known, talked about, photographed, etc and his ego was still too fragile to allow his wife to have some shine of her own without turning into a complete man-child. I don't get people like that.
when he married diana she become the star and he was in supportive role. as crowds during the tours as press, they just wanted her. a important position dont make a star, it's the person. chuck found out HRH didnt make him special outside of his sycophant's circle ... he found out as real world works out
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« Reply #18 on: April 04, 2019, 01:38:59 am »

^ She did and they did. However, just focusing on the very beginning, before anyone on Earth knew just how big Diana's star was going to get, it could be looked on as very normal that the public was mostly interested in Diana. She was the princess and she was new on the scene. Charles on the other hand, even if one doesn't want to call it stardom, it is true that he had fame and attention for years due to the status he was born into. For someone in his position to immediately jump to jealousy instead of taking it all in stride, is mind blowing. For all he knew, the attention was going to die down after a year or two. Just such a crappy person. But I totally agree, he definitely found out how the real world works and good. It's what he deserved. tehe
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« Reply #19 on: April 04, 2019, 05:50:53 pm »

When Diana was only a teenager and on her first walkabout the signs of Charles jealousy were there. He made a comment that he'd have to get used to seeing the backs of photographers when Diana was around.
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