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« Reply #40 on: November 14, 2018, 01:05:51 am »

Well CHarles is using it in his over the top PR. IMO.
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« Reply #41 on: November 14, 2018, 01:08:37 am »

^^ I don't. Richard Palmer, at a very early stage of the romance with Meghan being known, wrote on his Twitter Page to an inquiring poster that his contacts within Clarence House/BP stated that the family felt that Harry's happiness was 'paramount'. Samantha was already screaming her head off on Twitter about MM at that stage, I think it was around  Jan/Feb of 2017. He said that the Royal family felt that the Markles might be a problem but that didn't outweigh that Harry was head over heels.

The new survey that has come out in the last few days has Harry leading the Royal pack, including the Queen and his brother, at 77%, so as far as the British public is concerned his reputation appears fine.
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« Reply #42 on: November 14, 2018, 01:12:08 am »

@SouthernBelle, most definitely. It’s an extremely dumb strategy even though the climate was bad when she appeared on the scene in May/June 2016 with the Brexit vote looming and cries of racism and non inclusive being branded about toward the royal family and the U.K. She’s not a likable person and what we actually know about her such as her divorce, the few people who’ve dealt with her going on the record to say that she a nasty person, her doing charity work purely for pr purposes as it builds up her image of being a humanitarian, her crazy expensive cost for her wardrobe and having the focus solely on her during engagements, oh, and how she emasculates Harry in public as well as clings onto him at every opportunity.
The dumb thing about this is that she’s not relatable to the public. People of colour who applaud her there should realize that she’ll do nothing for them. They should ask themselves what has she done for anyone since the engagement and wedding.
Harry’s image’s in the toilet no matter how the press tries to trick the public into thinking it’s not by releasing the poll that has him on the top of being the most popular royal. He’s looked at as bringing in this low rent woman into the family and the U.K. He’s now looked at as being a fool.
Needless to say things have been odd with Harry especially during the celebrity wedding and especially during that odd tour where it was about Meghan and her ever changing bump and expensive attire. Things seem to be happening to unravel this mess and then nothing happens to curtail this odd situation as Meghan can pretty much do as she pleases and the royals just carry on.
@sandy,that’s what’s odd as Charles has gone way overboard with it; as if she’s such an exceptionally great person who he’s lucky to have as a daughter-in-law. Charles is supposedly very shrewd so I expect he has a reason for it.
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« Reply #43 on: November 14, 2018, 01:16:50 am »

At some point, everyone crosses a line of no return and becomes unable to be saved, or they cross a line and are past any chance of ruining themselves. Harry crossed that line into permanent self destruction the minute he started issuing public statements on behalf of his new plaything and started going on some kind of attack mode that had nothing to do with reality. If he and his brother had grown up and decided to stop blaming the planet of their mother's bad decisions during the last season of her life, I am certain that neither would have ended up making the mess of their lives that they have.

Harry can't be saved since we no longer live in an era where people who screw up get indulged. Harry had EVERY chance and he BLEW it big time. Invictus put him on the map and he could have cleaned up his rep that he got in his twenties and easily launched big time. Instead he launched Invictus and then proceeded to blow all that goodwill on first hooking up with someone that the public did not like or trust, then he proceeded to literally start attacking the press (that had been FAWNING over him for his Invictus work) and gave the middle finger to the public (who embraced him wholeheartedly) and then announced his engagement to the worst possible woman.

The minute he was engaged the public was up in arms, plus her own family was URGING him to break the engagement. He had to have had tons of warnings and a lot of people telling him to NOT follow through on this. Instead, he just plowed ahead and pulled the trigger on all the goodwill he had generated as a result of Invictus.
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« Reply #44 on: November 14, 2018, 01:17:10 am »

To answer the original question of this thread, for me, I always questioned Harry’s grasp on his role, reality, limitations, just plain growing up and his overall judgment.  As of now, I don’t have much, if any, respect for the man.
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« Reply #45 on: November 14, 2018, 02:34:45 pm »

He is a fool.
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« Reply #46 on: November 14, 2018, 02:42:23 pm »

^ not really. They approved because if not they would look like the baddies  and really what bar are we talking about?

Though they are using it all the same.
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« Reply #47 on: November 14, 2018, 03:18:55 pm »

 I agree with you and there is no real bar anymore but he still a fool to have married her.  I do not believe in any way that she and him are soulmates.  of course she can be in love with him because he is giving her this incredible life so yes but not because of who he really is because I just don't think he's really that intelligent enough for her.  I don't think she'd give him too much time. But I do think she's okay in this role for him because she pushes it as he would not. I'm not sure what type of woman would be really good for him for just who he really is inside
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« Reply #48 on: November 14, 2018, 05:10:44 pm »

They got married. Now they need to be adults and work on a marriage.
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« Reply #49 on: November 14, 2018, 05:50:02 pm »

I'm not sure what type of woman would be really good for him for just who he really is inside

It's not the job of a woman to fix or nurture or mentor him. That is unfair on the woman and it's not a woman's job to mother a fully grown adult man.
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« Reply #50 on: November 14, 2018, 06:03:20 pm »

I am sure they are working on their marriage as most people do, especially the first year as they are living together now and adjusting to that. Although it Doesn't seem like she tried working on her first marrige the first year as they lived apart then and divorced soon in spite of her having lived with him for several years.  That was not the point. Is Harry's reputation tainted now with her as his choice. It is with me although I do see how this transpired and why he would choose her type in addition to his attraction to her.
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« Reply #51 on: November 14, 2018, 06:05:17 pm »

Well it's a whole new ballgame now so to speak.
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« Reply #52 on: February 16, 2019, 02:11:56 am »

Harry’s so called reputation was largely built by the royal PR machine.
His real personality is probably the Harry we saw in Vegas.
If Harry hadn’t married Meghan, he would have married another woman like her. If he divorces her he will date, and maybe marry another woman exactly like her. This idea that Harry would marry a decent accomplished women deeply idiotic. If Harry had presented such a woman to the public, I would have been astonished.
Is Meghan unsuitable? Yes, she is. But the bar was lowered when Charles married Camilla, at that point no one could say no to Meghan.
Calling Meghan an escort or prostitute, is really the most disgusting kind of slander.

The idea that Harry had to marry Meghan to silence accusations of racism against the RF and Britain, is one of the most idiotic theories I have ever heard.
1. Meghan is not black, she is probably 25% black, she doesn’t even look black.
2. If that were actually the intention, they would have found an actual black women, from an overseas territory or Britain proper.

The idea that the RF was blackmailed or forced into accepting her, that the queen and Charles disapprove and that  marriage isn’t legal, is asinine.
The marriage is legal, and Harry married her willingly. Deal with it!
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« Reply #53 on: February 16, 2019, 02:46:16 am »

Whom PC married is not an excuse for whom PH dates or marries.

^ Just because you do not agree with other people's opinions, this is not a reason to label other people's opinion as idiotic or ascinine. And, I'm sorry but what's up with "deal with it"? Is this how you talk to people in real life cause I find it disrespectful and childish.
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« Reply #54 on: February 16, 2019, 02:49:24 am »

Harry did date a Nigerian girl who was attending Uni in England before Chelsy. I too think that the theory that Harry's marriage is to pacify the Commonwealth or make the BRF look more inclusive in some way, is off the wall. Whenever there are tours by senior royals of the Caribbean or places in Africa they draw big crowds, so what would be the point? That 'Not my Prince' campaign before Harry's last Caribbean tour was a damp squib. They have few members.

There are loads of Commonwealth students from wealthy African backgrounds studying in Britain, like the Nigerian girl I mentioned. It would have been incredibly easy for someone of that background to have been 'chosen' by the BRF if that was the object and the woman agreed. Instead Harry met, fell in love with and married a biracial American he met in Canada.

It actually would have been interesting to see the reaction of the British tabloids to a match between Harry and a black African girl from the Commonwealth.
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« Reply #55 on: February 16, 2019, 02:58:39 am »

I think he had a reputation for dating blond wannabe stars - actresses, models, singers.

Going back to topic - he married into a trashy family that's not even entertaining. If his reputation is stuck in the mud now and forever, it's of his own doing and no one else's.

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« Reply #56 on: February 16, 2019, 03:07:48 am »

Harry had a five/six year relationship with Chelsy Davy who had degrees from two universities and was a law student for much of the latter time she was dating Harry.

The latest survey (November 2018) on members of the BRF, conducted by YouGov of GB. Harry is number one.

https://www.thisisinsider.com/most-popular-royal-family-members-survey-2018-11
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« Reply #57 on: February 16, 2019, 03:17:56 am »

He used to be very liked. Now his wife is picking up  fights with Kate, little sweet Char, staff, protection officers. Pretty much everyone except the face she sees in the mirror.  thumbsdown

Adding to that the op eds his wife is pulling (calling them leaked letters ...but leaked in UK tabloids, not Us ones), the topic in MO that is a public discussion on DM and the whining in Nat Enq - he should be lucky if he's before Bew in the classation.
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« Reply #58 on: February 16, 2019, 03:25:39 am »

I didn’t mean to offend anyone, I apologise if I did.

That Charles married Camilla is actually quite consequential.
It sets the bar lower, which brings us to Kate Middleton.

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I actually don’t think the British press or public would have reacted against him marrying some black african gril from a decent family in a commonwealth country.
It is Meghans low background and previous profession that has some people turned off.

I doubt Meghan is fighting with Kate or anybody. Most that is written about her is slander IMO.
There seems to be a genuine conflict between William and Harry that predates Meghans arrival it the scene.
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« Reply #59 on: February 16, 2019, 03:29:18 am »

^^Much of what you cited was tabloid gossip began by one reference in a bio of Charles by Robert Jobson, and the rest jumped on and embroidered by tabloid journalists. This survey was completed in November 2018 by a reputable polling company. That was barely four months ago and it takes much longer than that for a BRF member's reputation to fall like a stone. For most Britons tabloid stories are for entertainment purposes only.
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