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« Reply #240 on: November 15, 2018, 09:17:14 pm »

i highly doubt that diana (or any woman in that same situation) will like the woman whom liked call her a madcow and when she's gone this same woman has serious trouble with let diana rest in peace, in fact, enjoy having her bff penny junor slamming memory of a dead woman who cant sue back. her sons like the woman who made all she can to blacken the name of THEIR MOTHER, well it says enough about them. they like kate, carole and meghan, many has issues with this fact in this forum. i doubt that diana will like this woman being liked by her sons (the reason she stayed in a shame marriage her whole adult life) and grandchildren. they should leave diana alone when the press isnt treating them well... in bad public moments isnt the image of camilla that they rely on
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« Reply #241 on: November 15, 2018, 11:34:43 pm »

I think that is the truth of the matter, but thing is, Camilla is still engaged in this ongoing vendetta against Diana that just doesn't quit. Camilla is surely behind all of it since Charles is likely someone who would prefer to let the past go and move on, but doesn't. Camilla is still paying columnists to hype how bad Diana was (as if wanting one's husband for oneself is a bad thing) and hypes Diana as deranged and a 'bolter like her mother' (as if leaving an abusive marriage is a bad thing) and even twenty years on, Camilla still determinedly perseveres sure that a new generation hears nothing but negativity surrounding Diana's rep and history.


MIss Hathaway, Diana decidedly would not like Camilla around her grandchildren taking on Grandmother figure. Not at all. IMO.

Diana could be dead for 2 years or 50 she still is the grandmother of those children and Camilla can't substitute her DNA for Diana's. That's one thing she could never have. Camilla loathed DIana and still loathes her.

 KF,This series of birthdays seemed a lot about Camilla. I think Charles is behind this two. He could have stopped this if he had chosen to, he didn't. He even thought it OK for Camilla to go to the Diana Memorial Service.
Lots of money must have changed hands for the Camilla campaign.

Diana would decidedly not be pleased at Camilla trying to be "grandmother. " Such bad taste.
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« Reply #242 on: November 16, 2018, 12:09:34 am »

Is Charles at all aware that Camilla got there by being his sidepiece and no matter what, she will always be judged as to how she got that ring? No matter how many rings or necklaces or tiaras she gets to wear, she will ALWAYS be the other woman who first overthrew and then usurped the place of the rightful first Princess of Wales. Camilla can be as 'grandmotherly' all she wants, but she is the one who fatally undermined Charles' marriage, his image, his rep, and then proceeded to start up a literal vendetta via the media against Diana's reputation and image and peace of mind. I also sincerely think that what Camilla did against Diana during the time Diana was married to Charles was in fact sedition against the Crown and I also think that if anyone had had any balls, Camilla would have been brought up on charges. What she did was in fact criminal in that it undermined the Crown, compromised the sanctity of the marriage between the Prince and Princess of Wales, damaged the prestige of the nation, and trashed potential trade deals. I am certain that there is never going to be any kind of forgetfulness in the minds of the top tier aristos who loathe having to bend the knee and neck to a former mistress who sprang up from lower tier gentry.

Second, the minute she married Charles, she made it acceptable for sidepieces to become centerpieces. Not every woman who has a past of intimacy is a bad woman, but it made it impossible for Charles to impose standards on his sons and made it impossible for him to ask his sons to treat decent women well. I am dead sure that if Camilla had remained mistress, Kate would have been a pleasant bed-mate, but she never would have gotten the ring. Not after her posturing in lingerie and drunken antics in clubs and flashing. She never would have been a serious contender and in time she would have been removed. Same with Meg and I am sure Harry would have had a good time, but he would have ended up dropping Meg and continuing with Invictus and meeting/greeting genuine ladies.
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« Reply #243 on: November 16, 2018, 02:05:16 am »

One thing that unnerves me and almost frightens me is how Camilla seems relentless in her campaign against Diana. It's like Diana seemed to have personally offended her by marrying Charles and having two sons and continuing to be remembered in positive ways. Camilla wanted to insert herself into the memorial ceremony (thankfully that got quashed) and Camilla has done all she can to make Diana out to be this demon of selfishness and sexual promiscuity. I imagine it cut deep being deemed only fit to be a sidepiece, but Camilla would have been able to end it for good somehow and just live her quiet life in the countryside. I am certain that it wouldn't be prestigious, but it would be something that would lend her respectability and it would enable her to have her husband and life with her children and her undemanding country life.

She did. Charles asking her to marry him and then preceded to marry her. But like a lot of women, it's too much for her to go after the person that really deserves her ire: the man. No one will ever convince me that Camilla never wanted more from Charles. There's no woman, even a mistress, who doesn't want more from a man than sex and jewelry that would pull some of the crap that she's pulled.

They can try to rewrite history as much as they want to but the fact of the matter is that Charles did not pick Camilla. I haven't read one thing that has ever made a strong impression on me that there was a true impediment to Charles marrying Camilla if he so wished to, even if there ever really was some disapproval of her as a bride for him (cuz I think that's made up also or or at the very least any reasonings were probably not very strong). I've never even read anything real or made up that points to them ever having been in a serious relationship. She was just someone who was always around and made herself available. Charles was never going to choose Camilla because Charles didn't see Camilla as marriage material. He went off into the navy and obviously didn't even ask her to wait for him because she went off and married someone else.

Then we have aristocratic, young, beautiful, fresh faced, innocent Diana. Someone who may have been deemed acceptable as a bride but certainly not someone he was forced to marry. Diana's personal life wasn't great because Camilla was using her husband's weak willed-ness to her advantage but she was - and remains - the Princess of Wales. She had the fancy clothes, the fancy parties and galas, meeting leaders, prominent figures, and celebrities, pictures all over the papers and mags, that little thing called the love of the British people, women wanting to be like her, children aspiring to do good things like and because of her, etc.

Now, Camilla also eventually got a ring too. Oh, yes she did. Only she got the prize when she was way past her prime and no one really cared who Charles was married to anymore, certainly not upon remarriage. 90% of all chatter about her wouldn't even exist if it weren't for her being the h0 turned housewife. She gets to experience some of the things I've listed above also but it's not to the levels that a bride of Charles would've experienced in her 20s/30s/maybe even 40s had they just been regular whoever and not Diana. At the end, she's second place and second choice. Breeds bitterness.


As far as the grandkids. Logistically, Camilla could never be rude to William and Harry's kids even if she wanted to. Not only would they never stand for it, it would be spread in the media so fast, their heads would spin, not good for their already poor PR. She doesn't have any choice but to be nice to them.
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« Reply #244 on: November 16, 2018, 02:26:21 am »

Truth be told, I truly wish Camilla had had the courage to tell Charles to stop using her sexually and get on with his life. She wouldn't have the bling, but she would have a contented married life and frankly Charles should be excommunicated for the mess he's made of so many lives. As for the bitterness of being second place, I can identify with that. Camilla will never be in high level meetings with government officials in her own right, will never truly live down her past, and she will always know that Charles NEVER considered her good enough to have children with and add her bloodline to his. She never had the respect that Diana had during that famous courtship and Camilla still had to sit and watch Charles pledge his legitimate side of life to another woman and she never got to pose with HM for her engagement portrait as Diana did.
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« Reply #245 on: November 16, 2018, 02:45:45 am »

^^^ and ^ Camilla will never be the Princess of Wales. I have no doubt that the aristos will make Charles' life a living misery if he pushes for Camilla to be Queen Consort. I believe that role was associated with Diana, with a future many believe was stolen from her at least in part via her husband's duplicity, and the scheming nature of a mistress who didn't respect her monarchy enough to leave well enough alone.

He and he alone made the choice to go through with the wedding in 1981, and taking a wrecking ball to the memory of his dead wife to boost his mistress turned missus is, in my mind, disgusting.

Again and again, it goes back to duty and their failure to uphold it. I agree with you about seditious acts and how the whole mess undermined the monarchy and the nation.

^^ I agree. He would have picked Camilla originally if he wanted to do so. This malarky about her 'having a past' that's now used as spin to now to explain why they couldn't marry then, in the cruel cruel days of the 60s, speaks volumes. I contend that she was likely a good time, a fun girlfriend. 
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« Reply #246 on: November 16, 2018, 02:56:05 am »

I agree with everyone here so I see no need to repeat what has already been said.
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« Reply #247 on: November 16, 2018, 03:11:46 am »

^^^ Right! I meant to add that one to. That's the biggest sting of all. History has already been written, Charles wrote it, and his recount is as follows: HRHs Prince William and Prince Henry, sons of Prince Charles and Princess Diana of Wales and their children; the grandchildren of Prince Charles and Princess Diana of Wales. The end. Camilla is persona non grata.

She should have but that's some women and men for you. It could never be me, though. I vowed a long time ago before I was even a teenager that I had too much pride, dignity, and self-respect for that and amazingly enough I was struggling with self-esteem then. A bad marriage between your parents will do that for you though. I'm not going to be a man's second choice, to be picked up off the shelf when he's now old and has no other options so he's settling for me. I certainly won't be embarrassed knowing that other people know that I'm so pathetic that I'll settle for so little, leftovers.

^^ Exactly! These murmurs about a past that no one can give even a hint of specific detail on thumbsdown Yeah right.
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« Reply #248 on: November 16, 2018, 05:37:33 am »

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^^ I agree. He would have picked Camilla originally if he wanted to do so. This malarky about her 'having a past' that's now used as spin to now to explain why they couldn't marry then, in the cruel cruel days of the 60s, speaks volumes. I contend that she was likely a good time, a fun girlfriend. 

If Charles had wanted, it could have been spun as the Prince marrying the earthy, energetic, spunky country girl from the gentry. It would ironically be a lot more of a realistic fairy tale and no one would have thought it bad just because Camilla was just plain and not glamorous. I am dead sure that it would have lent a more calming effect and while it wouldn't have suited the tabloids, it would have at least given more stability and Camilla would have blended right in. Her past could have been brushed out and no one would have spoken about her past to the press for fear of incurring Charles' wrath. Instead however Charles kept her dangling and frankly she never inspired much out of him other than base lust and she stayed by fulfilling his trashiest sex fantasies.

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^^^ and ^ Camilla will never be the Princess of Wales. I have no doubt that the aristos will make Charles' life a living misery if he pushes for Camilla to be Queen Consort. I believe that role was associated with Diana, with a future many believe was stolen from her at least in part via her husband's duplicity, and the scheming nature of a mistress who didn't respect her monarchy enough to leave well enough alone.

If he does that, makes Camilla Queen Consort and has her anointed and crowned, I am dead sure it'll cost him the support of the aristocracy. As it is I'm certain they're seething at how Camilla first undermined Diana, then overthrew Diana, and then proceeded to drive Diana out of society and then out of the country and then proceeded to desecrate Diana's memory almost as quickly as possible. THEN she tried to push to the memorial service and slam Diana even after getting the wedding ring. Then she keeps oit up and for some reason just won't stop or let up.
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« Reply #249 on: November 16, 2018, 11:34:54 am »

One thing that unnerves me and almost frightens me is how Camilla seems relentless in her campaign against Diana. It's like Diana seemed to have personally offended her by marrying Charles and having two sons and continuing to be remembered in positive ways. Camilla wanted to insert herself into the memorial ceremony (thankfully that got quashed) and Camilla has done all she can to make Diana out to be this demon of selfishness and sexual promiscuity. I imagine it cut deep being deemed only fit to be a sidepiece, but Camilla would have been able to end it for good somehow and just live her quiet life in the countryside. I am certain that it wouldn't be prestigious, but it would be something that would lend her respectability and it would enable her to have her husband and life with her children and her undemanding country life.

I've never even read anything real or made up that points to them ever having been in a serious relationship. She was just someone who was always around and made herself available. Charles was never going to choose Camilla because Charles didn't see Camilla as marriage material. He went off into the navy and obviously didn't even ask her to wait for him because she went off and married someone else.
It was Mountbatten who sent Charles to sea in 1970s, he was worried that Charles had got too serious/attached to Camilla and didnt like that... obviously it didnt work out, karma made he dies and Camilla become the most important influence in his life, which Mountbatten use to be. From all the accounts Camilla was shamelessly in love with Andrew Parker Boles and wanted him in any way, then she used Charles to get his attention. I think if Charles ever truly loved a woman it was Camilla, in late 1970s he was emotionally and sexually very much into her, and had left kanga behind because of camilla. Diana herself said Charles loved Camilla.

BASHIR: And with a husband who was having a relationship with somebody else?

DIANA: With a husband who loved someone else, yes.

Charles is a cad in his own right IMO Camilla is just a consequence of the person he truly is
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« Reply #250 on: November 16, 2018, 01:14:14 pm »

^ I've read that before. I've never agreed with Diana'a assessment of that situation and I think she came to the wrong conclusion. A man willing to cheat on you and disregard your feelings and needs to go play with a mistress doesn't automatically mean it's because he loves her, even if he doesn't love you. It just means that person is selfish and the other person indulging their actions is selfish also and there's common ground in their selfishness and narcissism. I care what Charles actions say and they never said love in my book.

At the end of the day there was no true impediment to his being with nor marrying Camilla. He was a grown man and his uncle wasn't the Queen. I've still never heard any real and especially good reason as to why he was so supposedly so afraid of Charles growing attached to Camilla. It wasn't considered a crime in that time to not be a virgin at marriage, so unless she was a h0 that had gone around with everyone in town or was doing porn then it makes no sense. The only other possible reason I can think of is that Mountbatten saw himself, long before any of the rest of us, that his nephew wasn't all there and spotted Camilla as a person who would exploit that. Other than that, I draw a blank and there was no true impediment Charles marrying Camilla if he had really wanted to be with her. He very well could've fought for her. Regardless he went into the navy and obviously did not ask her to wait for him as she married someone else.

I do agree that Camilla is a consequence of the person he truly is, which says so much and so little at the same time.
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« Reply #251 on: November 16, 2018, 02:29:29 pm »

Mountbatten was a big influence in that family. it was his idea that doc in 1970s where the windsors looked like a out of touch bunch - liz got badly criticized, the respect for her went down. He was the mentor of Charles, someone who had much influence over Charles. I've never read any indication that Charles could marry a non-virgin. In 1970s he was very into a official girlfriend who many said he'll marry her, then was outed a former boyfriend and charles dumped her. janet jenkins said she knew charles had real feelings for her but marry her will be a big no no, as she was no virgin and they had a intimate relations. And Diana's uncle said she was definitely a virgin. To me, one thing is obvious he married diana out his duty to crown. He was utterly miserable during that wedding. He'd never any intention of let Camilla go. Those gifts they exchanged at eve of his wedding says THEY intend continue their affair and they thought of diana as a ideal mouse. Then Diana become a big star, I think Charles always loathed Diana because that. After their early Australian tour, i'm sure he wanted gave up on that marriage and probably wanted Diana interned as a crazy woman. IMO Charles is a vindictive and narcissistic creature.
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« Reply #252 on: November 16, 2018, 06:33:07 pm »

^ I've heard that also. It still doesn't negate that Charles was a grown man with a mind of his own nor his excuse his actions. He wasn't a robot. It also doesn't sound to me like Charles dumped those women or brushed them off solely because his uncle told him that he needed a virgin bride or out of duty to the crown. Sounds like he himself wanted a virgin bride because that's what he thought was good enough for him. Sounds about right of any other hypocritical man. He wanted to go around sleeping with whomever, whenever but he wanted any "true" and "serious" woman on his arm to be a virginal blushing bride. He got his wish. I don't disbelieve that he had no intention of letting Camilla go. I just don't think it was because he loved her.

Personally, I don't think Charles looked miserable when he married Diana. He looked rather serious to me but at the same time he had a rather natural sad puppet looking face to me, especially as his face was so thin at that point in time. At rest it always looked like gravity was pulling his face down.
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« Reply #253 on: November 16, 2018, 07:07:44 pm »

^^^  I remember reading (not sure where) that Mountbatten wanted Charles to marry a member of his own (Mountbatten's) family.  Don't remember if it was a niece, daughter or granddaughter, but the wording of what I read was that Mountbatten wanted one of his own in the royal family so he would have some real power.
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« Reply #254 on: November 16, 2018, 07:41:02 pm »

Mountbatten wanted his granddaughter Amanda to be Charles' bride; Philip approved since Amanda wasn't considered a stranger and so therefore Mountbatten schemed to groom Amanda while he ordered Charles to play the field.
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« Reply #255 on: November 16, 2018, 11:46:12 pm »

Amanda indeed was Mountbatten's choice for Charles. It would have made him great grandfather of a future monarch. He set up a "Gigi" scenario where Charles had to wait for her to grow up while he sowed wild oats.  Then Amanda would be there for him. Mountbatten would take Charles and Amanda on vacation with him and nobody thought too much of it because they were cousins. Had Mountbatten lived, Amanda might have been told by her grandfather it was her duty to marry Charles. Without Mountbatten around, Amanda refused CHarles proposal.

I never bought into Camilla being the "true" love. Because Charles did not move heaven and earth to marry her when they first met. SHe also wanted to marry APB. I keep seeing DM comments buying into the myth that Charles wanted to propose to Camilla and his mother did not allow him. I think Charles was and is a snob and wanted an aristo to be the mother of the royal children.

If Charles had any brains, he would have stopped seeing or contacting her. It was sordid that Camilla hosted Lady Diana in her home while knifing her in the back.
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« Reply #256 on: November 17, 2018, 12:50:07 am »

Exactly. It's a dirty little secret, but men can be as snotty as they accuse women of being when it comes to having a wife. The fact that HM got blamed is lese majeste and I do believe that Camilla would be happier to be Andrew's wife. Yet, being mistress must have been painful and I don't blame her for wanting to be more than just sex.
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« Reply #257 on: November 17, 2018, 02:27:55 am »

Camilla had ambitions the entire time. Diana was in a lose lose situation with her and despite the spin, she was around the whole time of the C and D marriage.

She was not going to settle for being a mistress and was IMO envious of the first wife and despised her.

Now she realized another ambition, getting her face on a stamp. IMO anyway.

I think she will be OUT if Charles predeceases her. She may feel she should enjoy all this while she can.
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« Reply #258 on: November 17, 2018, 02:47:52 am »

Yes that's exactly what I was trying to say about Charles but it should've stated it as simply. He is definitely a snob plain and simple. He wasn't the loving prince from a romance novel that saw through titles and stations to see the true beauty in a person who came from a lower station than him. OMG, I'm cackling just imaging it easter-lol. He knew his station in life and he wanted someone as upper crust as he could get on his arm. It was never going to be Camilla. It's very easy to see. In all of the fake hoopla they put out, they never say Charles put up a good fight and she was still never even his girlfriend.

Camilla got the ring when she did because she was literally the last one standing. While it's not impossible to find love at an older age, I do think it's challenging. On top of that, who worth their salt was going to go be with Charles after all of that? Everyone would be wondering if he was going to cheat on her with Camilla like he did Diana. That would be a constant cloud of mortification over the woman's head.
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« Reply #259 on: November 17, 2018, 01:12:17 pm »

Charles is desperately trying to rewrite history but people do remember and he underestimates them. People Magazine spins it that Charles was "forced" to marry Diana and it  was a disaster so he "returned" to Camilla. they do allow that he and Diana had "happy moments." Charles never had to "return" to Camilla she was always around, at fox hunts, by phone at social gatherings and so on. Even when Bedell Smith attempted to whitewash it that there was  a "call" from Camilla after making it seem like it was the first time they connected in years after he married Diana. All lies. Plus there is a perversity to it all when Bedell Smith has the "unhappy" Mrs Parker Bowles calling Charles for comfort (and CPB was pregnant with Laura at that time) causing the reconnection before he even started seeing Diana. ANd Dale Tryon was seriously involved with Charles around the same time. The reporters make themselves look ridiculous with the rewriting of history. I think Camilla wanted it all and is decidedly not a good person, far from it.  And Charles cooperating with the Diana bashers is just plain vicious. I don't think will and Harry ever had much of a choice but to be polite but there is no love lost. BUt I do think that William keeps his children a lot closer to Carole and Michael and does tell the children about Diana.
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