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« Reply #480 on: January 15, 2019, 06:06:23 pm »

MM did not have the choice to avoid the career path for personal advancement as KM did from the beginning, courtesy her parents.
This is not good or bad - it just is.

MM's father helped to the best of his abilities to open doors for her for a "career" in Hollywood; but he could not fully sponsor her like the Midds to allow her to live her life and just search for a top marriage.
It was also sheer randomness, time and place. The Midds managed to get in close quarters with PW at just the right time.

That being said, Hollywood "careers" are often nothing else but the lives of glorified liars who get paid to play pretend.
I don't see that as heavy, tedious, serious value-adding work just like being a royal isn't that either.

My argument in this whole MM-KM comparison is that a "career", in and of itself, does not automatically sanctify a woman. (A)
Likewise, relying on a good marriage to build a good life does not automatically vilify a woman either. (B)

You can "work" for a husband just as much as you can work for an employer. As long as you pull your weight in some way.

More often than not, women pick the career path because they do not have the option to advance via a top marriage (B).
As KF correctly pointed out, it is often necessary so they do what they gotta do.
Carole Midd worked because she had to in order to advance. That doesn't mean she wouldn't want a life for her daughter where she didn't have to.

The argument that rich husbands can be abusive and leave their wives whereas employers cannot is a major fallacy.
In fact, employers are way more likely to be abusive and not care an iota about how employees feel (via toxic, hyper competitive, high pressure, bullying-infested work environments) and much more likely to send the woman out the door (via firing, restructuring, etc).
Of course, a rich husband can be abusive and leave a woman too -  but this is nothing a nice divorce settlement can't take care of in our days. Contrary to popular opinion, most rich men are neither abusive nor bent on leaving their wives. Some do, of course - but then they pay for what they chose to do. Heavily.
 
This is not about the 1950's and historical fashions. Its about being in touch with how reality works, above and beyond ideologies.

In our time, a smart and wise woman and her family ideally aim for a traditional marriage arrangement with a top man (if they can) but prepare for a modern one (career or parental wealth) if plan A does not work.
The Midds did it.

The fact that MM first "worked" (at being what? a "look-at-me"-er?)  is irrelevant.
She had no other choice if she wanted to move up in the world... and boy, did she!
Had she had KM's opportunities, including the kind of parental props KM had, she would have done the same.
Just like the vast majority of women would do if they had KM's chances.

    
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« Reply #481 on: January 15, 2019, 06:13:36 pm »

Acting is a very competitive career. I know of people who wanted to go into acting, one did advance to stage set work and he is happy with that.  For those who do "nothing" they get a tremendous salary and classic actors go all the way back to Shakespeare's day. And classic film stars are household names. It is nothing to sneeze at. IMO. If you don't think it's difficult, then maybe talk to people who tried and failed or to those who earn a living at it.

Abuse in a marriage is no fallacy. It is real. Why do you think shelters are available for women?

I would think a woman would look for a good man who loves and respects her. Top men can be creeps too.

I think women today are ambitious and don't go for degrees in MRS anymore. Like Rose's mother in Titanic:  Women go to University to find a husband, Rose already found hers (the rich fiance that Rose loathed).


That said. I think having done steady work is a help rather than a hindrance to Meghan and to Kate it set up a bad habit of not working much.
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« Reply #482 on: January 15, 2019, 06:27:37 pm »

A competitive career doesn't mean a value adding career worthy of respect.
I am talking about the object of work here and how much good it brings to the world, not a bout how people compete to catch such a cushy situation in life (being a spoilt movie star).

Abuse in marriage is real. It certainly exists. But it is the exception, not the rule. Not even by far as frequent as the ideology of the "self-reliant modern woman" would have everyone believe. Typically you don't see ex-wives of rich men in shelters. You may see them divorced and taken care of financially for all eternity. But not in shelters. I am  not sure how we got from the KM-MM parallel to discussing the lives of typically modest-background women who sometimes end up with low echelon guys and beaten as a result.
Appealing to exceptions while ignoring the rule in order to justify a certain arrangement is not a credible strategy. But it worked for feminists! So hey, why not.

Top men CAN be creeps too - with "can" being the operative word. More often, they are not.
This is why they are top, to begin with.
Poor and average men are even more likely to be creeps, statistically speaking.  

 
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« Reply #483 on: January 15, 2019, 06:36:48 pm »

A woman does not "work for" her husband. It is a marriage not employment. It puts women in a weird area if they "work for" husbands.

The "exception" covers a large number of women. It is not just a handful of women.

All the statistics in the world do not cover if rich men are bad people or not. It all depends and this never appears in census data.

Meghan was in a competitive profession. Period.


"Ruth: The purpose of university is to find a suitable husband. Rose has already done that. " (this was from someone based in 1912)
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« Reply #484 on: January 15, 2019, 06:51:34 pm »

^ When a woman stays at home and provides domestic services and support to her family, including husband, she DOES work for her family - including husband.
In fact husband is the one bringing in the financial support for the entire family, wife included. He pays her.  
So yes, there IS a built-in economic relationship there too, in addition to the romantic, emotional one. The two are economic partners and collaborators just like an employer and an employee are economic collaborators.

The rule covers a spectacularly larger number than the exception. Which makes the absolute numbers of the exception largely irrelevant.
It is wise to set up life with "the rule" in mind, not the exception. One should certainly plan and provision for the exception, just in case the smelly hits the fan - but try to arrange life based on the rule. Simply because that scenario is much more likely to happen.

The number of people who died in plane crashes over time is quite large and the results were heartbreaking. Yet people do not plan their lives around avoiding air travel.

I am not sure how MM entering a "competitive profession" is relevant.

KM entered an even more "competitive profession", earlier. That of princess.
People here have asserted that being a royal is an actual career. By this logic, KM was even  more successful and earlier.
Something being "competitive" doesn't make it good, useful or worthy of respect.  Being a drug overlord is very competitive too.

      
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« Reply #485 on: January 15, 2019, 07:00:22 pm »

^^ Sorry for the double post.
This is fun, but I think we're veering off again and the mods will scold us again for too much back-and-forth-ing. easter-egg-basket
 
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« Reply #486 on: January 15, 2019, 07:03:48 pm »



Meghan had a steady job. Kate did not. She could not live on what she earned in Jigsaw part time. Meghan supported herself.

A princess is not a "profession" . If it were it would be in the Occupational Outook Handbook. Royals have work that they are expected to do especially senior royals.

Try telling an actor or actress his or her job is the same as a drug overlord, competition wise. And drug overlords get arrested in their trade. I never saw a stage actor being busted by the police for acting.
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« Reply #487 on: January 15, 2019, 07:52:08 pm »

^  Welllll. . . Megs married Trevor and he helped support her and helped her get a supporting role on a cable channel.  When she thought she had it made, she dumped him, but then had to run off Cory's gf and move in with him.... untillll she found a prince.   So, it seems that Megs has always needed a man to help her out.  Megs had nothing in the way of material possessions -- no real estate, no bank account -- she isn't as successful as you think she is, KF.  And she will be less successful after this royal gig is over.   I think she has the worst of it between her and Kate.
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« Reply #488 on: January 15, 2019, 08:07:34 pm »

Meghan still had a steady job, married or not.

The husband could not audition for meghan. She had to audition herself.

How is it known that Meghan had no bank account? That's supposed to be confidential. And people do rent homes these days.

Kate OTOH had no steady work and lived off her parents.
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« Reply #489 on: January 28, 2019, 03:48:23 pm »

EXCLUSIVE: Kensington Palace is battling shocking online abuse aimed at Duchesses and their fans
Kensington Palace staff are spending hours each week moderating sexist and racist comments directed at the Duchesses of Cambridge and Sussex, HELLO! can exclusively reveal. A handful have made violent threats towards the two women, while others are targeting 'rival' fans for vicious personal abuse. This news, along with a rise in abusive comments aimed at Kate, Meghan and their fans left on our own social channels has prompted HELLO! to launch the #HelloToKindness campaign, championing positivity online.

A source told HELLO!, "The Palace has always monitored comments but it’s a hugely time consuming thing. They can block certain words, but some of it is quite serious. Over the course of last year, with hundreds of thousands of comments, there were two or three that were violent threats. You can delete and report and block people and the police have options around particular people. It’s something you have to manage because there’s no other way to control it."

https://www.hellomagazine.com/healthandbeauty/health-and-fitness/2019012867058/kensington-palace-online-abuse-meghan-markle-kate-middleton-exclusive/


Both Meghan and kate fans take things too far
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« Reply #490 on: January 28, 2019, 04:27:55 pm »

^ Some people are just perfect idiots. 
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« Reply #491 on: January 28, 2019, 05:07:22 pm »

The DM likes numbers and they like Clickbait. Their publishing this is absurd.
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« Reply #492 on: January 28, 2019, 06:09:56 pm »

^ isnt this from hello?
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« Reply #493 on: January 28, 2019, 06:38:26 pm »

yes it is the DM just piggyback from the Hello article
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« Reply #494 on: January 31, 2019, 07:51:04 am »

https://skippyisheretostay.tumblr.com/post/182443388328/megymegs-many-times-you-guys-have-asked-me-when

pure jealousy and h8 from Megan Markle towards Kate. Pics don't lie.
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« Reply #495 on: January 31, 2019, 08:10:05 am »

^ Agree that those pictures don't lie.

It is clear about MM's feelings towards KM.
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« Reply #496 on: January 31, 2019, 01:06:06 pm »

There is another photo like this of when they all four were on the stage after Harry and Meggles had announced their engagement.  Megs is a narcissist and they can be very scary people.  Megs wants to be Kate -- very SWF and scary.
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« Reply #497 on: January 31, 2019, 02:56:34 pm »


Wow, I’ve never seen maliciously evil displayed so obviously.  That’s downright spooky scary  nervous
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« Reply #498 on: January 31, 2019, 04:31:12 pm »

one photograph proves she is "evil".? Kate is the one who invented the death stares. I don't get why anybody would be jealous of Kate.
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« Reply #499 on: January 31, 2019, 11:09:05 pm »

Or maybe Meghan just feels about Kate the way many, if not most, of us here do.
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