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« Reply #200 on: March 12, 2019, 09:26:48 pm »

^ No one knows, it's such a clusterfck of a mess (always has been) that no one bloody knows anything.

Tune into a Spanish soap opera and you're way more enlightened watching that than Brexit!!

Whether you follow Brexit daily or don't pay any attention to it at all, your level of knowledge on the matter is the same. Kate-Horror-Queen Shocked dontknow sigh
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« Reply #201 on: March 13, 2019, 06:26:57 am »

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The vote defeat means May’s plan (WA) agreed with the EU has been massively defeated which has humiliated her.  Today there is a vote as to whether to accept a No Deal (leaving without any agreement whatsoever).  It is thought the majority in parliament would vote against this.  Tomorrow is a vote to extend Article 50.  The hardline Brexiteers would be happy with a No Deal but are moving to accept a short extension to hopefully improve the deal (although the EU are saying no more negotiations).  The UK 17.4 million who voted to leave are furious as they voted to Leave not to negotiate or do deals.  The whole UK democracy will be changed after this fiasco in a way never seen before.
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« Reply #202 on: March 13, 2019, 10:24:22 am »

Excellent and accurate article

Subject: No deal no fear
https://www.spectator.co.uk/2018/08/whos-afraid-of-the-wto/amp/?__twitter_impression=true
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« Reply #203 on: March 13, 2019, 01:02:12 pm »

^ thankyou  The vote defeat yesterday did sound like more of a vote of no confidence in May.  It seems as though the same old government trick of delaying is what might happen.  July, I believe, for a "final" vote.  What a mess.
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« Reply #204 on: March 14, 2019, 02:51:12 pm »

The idea that some peddle of "no negotiations" is beyond ridiculous. You can never divorce someone or sever a business partnership (over night) without negotiating the exit and future. "No deal and no negotiations" and then what? Being shackled to and on an island with no food, medicine, manufacture or any other type of goods and merchandise passing between Britain and other European countries? What about all the Europeans living in Britain and Brits living in Europe? Limbo with no man's land and borders that are impenetrable from the in- or outside by citizens and commerce? blink huh Of course deals need to be struck and a plan drawn up for crying out loud! This isn't a question of being a "Brexiteer" or "Remainer", it simply is so.

And the article in the fail last week or so re: last day for renewing your passports because of validity was correct in spite of the masses of uneducated comments by people. As there's no deal (yet) we don't know how travel for British citizens to European countries will work out. Worst case scenario it will be like to distant countries where from your start of the journey your passport needs to be valid for min 6 months. If this is the case, then yes you needed to update your passport last week or so to avoid this in case your passport is about to expire.

What no one seems to have dug up is the fact that European citizens can actually travel across the EU for as long as up to six months after your passport or ID card has expired!!! That gives you a full year of added travel on your documents over other destinations in the world.

So all those cynics accusing the dm of fearmongering and being wrong were.. well, wrong. I expect for British citizens this privilege of travelling on expired documents will end, now needs to be seen what deal will be struck for travel on valid documents...

^ Well, it is a shyte-fest. Always was and right now it is so ridiculous I can't help but actually laugh like a maniac when the news are on..... It's like watching a soap, only very real and no one knows the frikkin plot. Like a writer on drugs wrote that and it makes no sense to anyone. "We have a deal!" "Oh no it fell through.." "Backstabbing on the MP benches!" "Westminster in crisis!" "We have a new deal!" "Oh no, didn't work out either.." Argh wot!!! Oh and voting. Feels like everyday there's a new vote being cast for whatever. Baby Jaysus take the wheel.
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« Reply #205 on: March 14, 2019, 08:49:57 pm »

May's deal isn't a deal, it's a sellout to the likes of Juncker, Tusk

This from another site sums it up beautifully,,..........

"Uproar in the Hen House

The Mother of Parliaments has become no better that a Hen House this week, with Chief Chicken Teresa May flapping her wings to Brussels and Strasbourg to receive her orders from the EU Foxes.

Back in the Hen House the chicks are in total confusion, led on by Rooster Bercow, with feathers flying everywhere, believing every rumour of NO DEAL disaster and determined to keep up the pretence that they know what they are doing. “Delay, Delay” is all they can squawk.

Meanwhile we, the people, stay trapped behind the chicken wire, doomed to remain a vassal state of the EU; a third rate political power bloc with grand ideas but a very uncertain future.

We want to escape, but our own fifth column, aided by weasels like Blair, has continually betrayed us. The Foxes will want us to vote again, as did the Irish and the Greeks, until we give them the “right answer”; just like turkeys voting for Christmas.

So May must GO and be replaced by a Brexit leader who can give us what we voted for."

 

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« Reply #206 on: March 15, 2019, 08:23:14 am »

Another excellent article and Littlejohn actually predicted this outcome in 2016

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/debate/article-6811439/RICHARD-LITTLEJOHN-Democracy-gone-Humpty-Dumpty.html
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« Reply #207 on: March 22, 2019, 01:37:39 pm »

Fab letter, from an expert

https://m.facebook.com/groups/222306588626134?view=permalink&id=365247410998717&sfnsn=xwmo
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« Reply #208 on: March 23, 2019, 06:38:58 pm »

London full of rentamobs protesting against the democratic vote.  Nigel Farage saying thousands ‘bought’ in from abroad and even heard saying that they had signed the petition a 100 times!!!
The usual Euro-socialists, the rent-an-anarchist mob, the Socialist Worker, the Labour Party are in the thick of it.  Chukka is there, loving the limelight, but no sign of Corbyn.  This is one own goal for Labour!
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« Reply #209 on: March 23, 2019, 07:00:14 pm »

Another typical comment

‘Bought in protesters with sad lives and lacking in grey matter.

‘Past his sell by date’ Heseltine mumbling on and allegedly only concerned about his farm subsidies stopping.  He should go back to throwing maces!’
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« Reply #210 on: March 23, 2019, 07:03:26 pm »

DM posters commenting how these people want to overturn the democratic referendum vote when it suits them.
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« Reply #211 on: March 23, 2019, 08:21:21 pm »

This Withdrawal Agreement is outrageous and shows just how duplicitous and traitorous our useless PM is. We'd have no representation but would have  to comply  all new EU laws etc. And pay £39 billion for the pleasure.  May has to go. She'll go down in history as the worst PM in history. If this gets through Parliament or there is another Referendum there will be riots
https://lawyersforbritain.org/master-chart-of-theresa-mays-deal



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« Reply #212 on: March 23, 2019, 08:56:38 pm »

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Absolutely right and May will go down in history as a traitorous, treacherous disaster.
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« Reply #213 on: March 23, 2019, 09:46:18 pm »

I'd be banned for sure if I printed what I really think of her
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« Reply #214 on: March 24, 2019, 09:10:14 am »

Good article which says everything about how the British were duped over Brexit.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/columnists/article-6843567/DAN-HODGES-greatest-fraud-perpetrated-British-people.html
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« Reply #215 on: March 28, 2019, 02:37:29 pm »

HOL yesterday did not conclude the change to the EU Withdrawal Act 2018 that sees the nation leave the EU on Friday. This is because the exit date change cannot be set until it is known to be either April or May and that is dependent on a 3rd meaningful vote and the passing of May’s deal. If May does not or is not permitted to present that today and have it passed, then  14th April is the default date and that change is going to be difficult to get passed by the HOL and the Commons before midnight today. The EU WA 2018 states a deal has to be in place today or we default to WTO. That is not set to change. So WTO it will be in LAW, and if no exit date change is voted for today, then we are out tomorrow as the law has no time to be changed before the current law comes into effect at 11pm 29th March 2018.
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« Reply #216 on: March 30, 2019, 04:28:21 pm »

London full of rentamobs protesting against the democratic vote.  Nigel Farage saying thousands ‘bought’ in from abroad and even heard saying that they had signed the petition a 100 times!!!
The usual Euro-socialists, the rent-an-anarchist mob, the Socialist Worker, the Labour Party are in the thick of it.  Chukka is there, loving the limelight, but no sign of Corbyn.  This is one own goal for Labour!

Proof?
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« Reply #217 on: March 31, 2019, 08:20:01 am »

What has happened in the UK has changed politics for ever.  The Tories are finished and I have been one for over 50 years and very much involved in fundraising and holding events for them at my house.  The local elections are on May 2nd and already those canvassing on the doorstep have been told this.  Many, many saying they won’t even bother to vote in this now undemocratic country.  The electorate are absolutely furious and UK politics have been changed for ever.
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« Reply #218 on: March 31, 2019, 05:30:08 pm »

So many MPs said they wouldn't vote for May's deal under any circumstances yet they did. Every time the vote is held the numbers against the deal decrease, makes you wonder what they've been offered in return.
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« Reply #219 on: March 31, 2019, 05:35:29 pm »

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So disappointing that the few we did admire and trust have also turned.
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