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« on: September 23, 2017, 08:45:44 pm »

In her speech in Florence in Friday Theresa,  May has betrayed over 17 million Britains who voted to leave the EU.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-4909976/PM-accused-BETRAYING-Brexit-ahead-key-speech.html

friend has pointed out that during the transitional period, and after we have left the EU, we will not have any MEPs.  If this is correct, then there will be no-one to look after the UK's interest during that two-year period.  Do you know if this will be the case?  If it is, then the UK will be left high and dry and we will be in a worst situation than ever.

Those who voted to leave the EU have  certainly been stitched-up between May, Hammond, Rudd and  Jeremy Heywood. The latter should be investigated for Conflict of Interest as his wife was working for McKinsey's when her  husband was working for Labour and Conservative Governments. ...  McKinsey's advise the Government of the day on various issues of national importance.


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« Reply #1 on: September 23, 2017, 09:00:31 pm »

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Nothing is ever as it seems and May is said to be a closet Remainer.
Her husband is said to be a staunch Remainer too.  She has alienated so many Brexiteers with her speech that she can't last as PM.
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« Reply #2 on: September 23, 2017, 09:14:47 pm »

The Heywoods' pillow-talk must have been fascinating!!
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« Reply #3 on: September 23, 2017, 09:19:45 pm »

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At the moment, the transitional phase looks set up to be entirely separate from the Article 50 negotiations.  This means that we will cease to have representation in both legislatures.  There is still the possibility of the European Council (minus the UK) voting to extend the Article 50 period. This has not been suggested yet so it looks highly unlikely.
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« Reply #4 on: September 23, 2017, 09:45:10 pm »

May was very quiet during the EU referendum and her husband is said to have too much influence on her. She has to go. She is a disgrace, a weak PM and  two-faced. She was useless as Home Secretary and even worse as PM. I wouldn't trust her to give us the correct time of day.

The next question is "Who for leadership of the Conservative Party"?.

Nigel Farage has been very vocal today.and gaining more support again. Many feel he is the only politician  who can be trusted...
http://www.express.co.uk/news/politics/857788/brexit-nigel-farage-ukip-leader-return

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« Reply #5 on: September 23, 2017, 11:11:10 pm »

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Nigel Farage has a huge following and is the only one
who can deliver what the British people voted for ie a hard Brexit.
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« Reply #6 on: September 24, 2017, 12:40:10 am »

^Nigel understood a lot of Americans’ situation and frustrations before our own politicians did.  I’ll give him that.
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« Reply #7 on: September 24, 2017, 08:08:28 am »

Nigel is that rare thing...a politician who tells it as it is even when he knows it won't be popular.
 I will never vote Conservative again the as long as TM is leader
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« Reply #8 on: September 24, 2017, 10:10:52 am »

Nige should start his own party as he has many supporters and truly speaks for the people.  I agree re not voting for May either.  It is already predicted that she will be gone within 6 months.
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« Reply #9 on: September 24, 2017, 12:04:16 pm »

Looks like May has lied yet again - when are the Tories going to come to their senses and get rid of her.  In 48 hrs 20 million euros has become £20million.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-4912682/Brexit-bill-rise-40BILLION.html

As for Nigel .....http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-4914006/Nigel-Farage-plans-new-Ukip-fight-Brexit.html
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« Reply #10 on: September 24, 2017, 01:29:24 pm »

May is, as far as I know, well known to have been anti-Brexit, all up until she was at the helm of the party and had to stick to the pro-Brexit decision.

Article 50 was triggered too quickly and without any conclusive and steadfast plan, which was a huge mistake. But media was railing the situation up with huge headlines of "When is Article 50 going to be triggered?? We are still in the EU!!!" and people going crazy because of that. Transparency from politicians would have helped to say eg "we need more time to iron out how the 5 years are going to be until we trigger the article".
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« Reply #11 on: September 29, 2017, 11:38:50 am »



It said on another forum 'that most of this mess can be laid at Cameron's door.  He promised a Referendum on the EU in the 2015 GE to stop the rise of UKIP and never, in his wildest dreams, did he believe that Leave would win. He allegedly even told the Civil Service not to plan for a Leave vote and they are still in the mode.  Cameron threw his toys out of his pram because he had failed his Bilderburg/EU masters and left others to sort out his mess.  He is said to be a petulant, arrogant and immature man, just like Osborne. May was chosen because at heart she is a Remainer, a follower rather than a leader, has a very poor record in other Government departments, and is not a well woman.  She had a very damaging row with Dame Pauline Neville-Jones when May was Home Secretary which resulted in PN-J, a highly experienced person in Counter-Terrorism, resigning.  For May to have asked Brussels for their help in writing her Florence speech was the ultimate betrayal of this nation.  She will continue to delay, prevaricate and dissemble in the hope that we all get fed up with the discussions and prefer to stay in the EU.  I think this and a possible second Referendum are what May is said to be now aiming for and she is said to be being aided and abetted by people like Blair (in the background), Heywood, Hammond, et al.  May is hapless, helpless, hopeless and she has to go before she inflicts any more damage on the UK.'
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« Reply #12 on: September 29, 2017, 05:37:17 pm »

If the Tories don't Dutch May they will never win another election meaning Corbyn's mob would get in. That is a nightmare that cannot be allowed to happen
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« Reply #13 on: September 29, 2017, 05:54:24 pm »

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It's looking increasingly likely with the mess the Tories are making of Brexit.
Nigel Farage - we need you.
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« Reply #14 on: October 02, 2017, 10:37:01 pm »

The very popular and well respected MP Jacob Rees Mogg was confronted by a
ranting banner waving idiot at today's Tory conference.

The comment below was on another forum ---

'The protester is on the executive committee of Stop the War and in every Soros based grouping, Open Borders, Remain...you name it. Pics of him with Jezza etc.

But get this....he's from Nairobi, Kenya. So just what is he even doing here? Hoping the DM track him down.'

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« Reply #15 on: October 02, 2017, 11:28:04 pm »

The protester has been identified as Shabbir Lakha. 
Stop the War Coalition was conceived as a front group for the Trotskyist Socialist Workers Party (SWP), once led by Corbyn for more than ten years and has previously advocated war with Israel and blamed the West for Islamist terror. 

Too many in the Labour party have very disturbing anti Semetic views
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« Reply #16 on: October 02, 2017, 11:40:26 pm »

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Shabbir was shouting inarticulate rubbish whilst Rees-Mogg in his usual gentlemanly fashion tried to engage him in a calm discussion.   This was to no avail as all he could do was rant and shout.
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« Reply #17 on: October 02, 2017, 11:48:55 pm »

The protestor is typical of the Labour rent a mob.
Notice how Corbyn ensures no dissent at his party conference  which is why Brexit wasn't discussed as it would have shown the party splits. Laura Kuenssberg of rheve BBC has to have a bodyguard at Labour's conference due to threats from some party members
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« Reply #18 on: October 03, 2017, 02:20:22 pm »

^ re Laura Kuenssberg requiring a body guard.

Wow! So much for that party standing up for the rights of the little people! 'For the many' was their slogan. But not for a highly regarded member of the press it seems.

That is mob rule and anyone who disagrees is a target. It seems like that is what politics is like these days. If you're not one of us, you're one of them and any dissension must be crushed. Some even have it written in their membership papers. (Well the SNP do anyway).

I don't know if politics or politicians were always like this, but I do wish they would discuss matters in a constructive way to achieve the optimum solution. And that goes for all parties, left, right and the middle.


And I'm sure that is why so many people, especially the young, are disengaged in the political process, but jump and shout when things are not going the way they want them to, despite them not taking an active view in matters that do govern their lives.

I have a German friend who says everyone in Germany knows each other's politics but it's not personal like it is in the UK. So they discuss problems like mature adults should do. She did add  that she thought it I may have been because of that country's history.
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« Reply #19 on: October 23, 2017, 09:57:13 pm »

Britain might need a SECOND EU referendum if Parliament defeats the Government's Brexit plans, Sadiq Khan warns

    Sadiq Khan said a Parliamentary vote would raise serious questions about Brexit
    Labour mayor warned that businesses already drawing up plans leave London
    Comes after Labour vowed to work with Tory rebels to change the Brexit Bill


Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-5009589/Britain-need-SECOND-EU-referendum-Sadiq-Khan-warns.html

In the past week or so I've read several people and papers write about "a 2nd vote/ new referendum"...
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