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« on: June 02, 2017, 03:09:49 pm »

Hey all!

I have looked for a jewellery thread, but couldn't find one, so I'm opening my own, with a specific question in mind however, but the discussion may go in any direction re jewellery!

I have come across some instagram account, where they specialise in drilled diamonds, and I don't mean the laser drilling as treatment, but as way to mount the stone, it just isn't the classic mounting as in claw or bezel settings, but a hole.
This is the account (though others do it as well): https://www.instagram.com/pierceddiamonds/
and here's an example: https://www.instagram.com/p/BT6jZfJlokM/
another example: https://www.instagram.com/p/BTb7u0mFh43/

Also here are more pics via g image search: https://www.google.com/search?q=drilled+diamond+necklace&source=lnms&tbm=isch&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwivh_XApp_UAhUOsBQKHbdiBvs4ChD8BQgGKAE&biw=1467&bih=703&gws_rd=cr&ei=fXAxWfHeJeuSgAbG3IP4Cg#imgrc=_
(kind of hard to find, because most searches touch onto the drilling as treatment subject)

I find this intriguing and do like the idea of more light touching the stone, but I can't help but cringe seeing this done to a gemstone and I'd expect this to be irreversible, whereas other mounting techniques (say the classic claw or bezel settings) are always reversible and don't (usually) damage the stone.

Have you seen this before?
And more to the point: Does it devalue the stone it's done to?

I see many of the jewellery with pierced/ drilled stones go for quite high prices, which I don't find justified.
The stones this is done to are usually smaller & I'd guess not that valuable (disregarding the fact that the diamonds market is a monopoly and all that).
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« Reply #1 on: June 02, 2017, 04:29:45 pm »

They are probably low quality diamonds and they try to market them in a new way to sell them for more. They do thay with the brown diamonds I think. In reality they are low quality diamonds but they are being marketed as the last trend.

It seems that with pearls is the same once drilles they are less valuable. But even then I can say that the profit margin is HUGE. At least in the luxury level.
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« Reply #2 on: June 02, 2017, 04:39:03 pm »

I've been thinking the same.
Yes, they try to sell brown diamonds for much more, by marketing them as "cognac" or "chocolate" coloured.
Black diamonds are basically worthless, but they also try to sell them by being "edgy" and then films (S & the City -Carrie-) and celebs go for them, which also hikes up the price, so something that has little to no value suddenly is "desireable".

I've also been thinking about pearls, but there is no other way than to drill the, pearl string necklaces have always been drilled, or am I wrong?
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« Reply #3 on: June 02, 2017, 04:53:48 pm »

Yeah I had the same reaction but it seems once drilled they lose lot of value.
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« Reply #4 on: June 02, 2017, 07:55:31 pm »

^^Yes, any string of pearls has to be drilled unless you go with mounting in a fine metal and wear as a collar or choker.  Brooches are a good way to keep a pearl pristine.

As for chocolate diamonds they are high now on investment portfolios because they are almost mined to extinction as of recently.  No one knows if there are anymore sites.  I don't care for them but did buy about 3 carats worth a few years ago and they're triple what I paid for them.  But, those are different and used in banking and trade.  In jewelry they lose value once purchased. 
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« Reply #5 on: June 02, 2017, 08:19:45 pm »

I do think that the best jewels are made by a lot of up and coming jewelers who do not get the press coverage that they deserve. Harry Winston is of course legend and I do think a lot of Tiffany's is great, but I do look out for designers that are unknown and basically starting out. I am sick of celebrities and others creating jewelry lines that are supposed to be high toned, but are very generic and use generic stones. The only people who should be taken seriously are in fact those who make jewelry creation their passion. NO way would I buy from someone like Kiki or any of the more generic designers.
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« Reply #6 on: June 06, 2017, 07:46:00 pm »

I do always cringe seeing drilled gemstones, poor things, pearls too, but got over drilled pearls as it's so common..

^^ What kind of gemstones are purchased for banking & trade/ investment? Lucky you for having bought some at the right time!
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« Reply #7 on: June 06, 2017, 08:57:24 pm »

^I was.  Very lucky.  It's wisest to go to a "primary" source, i.e., those who mine and cut stones.  Watch the market carefully.  Right now, ruby, jade, aquamarine (glad I have these, too.  Up over 400%), spinel.  It's not difficult to do.  The web is a great resource if you don't have a savvy financial advisor.  Make sure they're a licensed gemologist and start small.  Emerald is a good place to begin or, again, ruby.  I think tourmaline is smart now, too.  Diamonds are super iffy and the market is shifty unless you are married to a dealer in Amsterdam. Chocolate diamonds, when I got them, were not "blood" diamonds, too.  Happy investing!

You can do a lot with even a couple of hundred dollars when beginning. 
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« Reply #8 on: June 07, 2017, 01:06:41 am »

I would not buy diamonds. The market is completely artificial; they only release a very small percentage of what they have in order to jack up the prices. If anyone ever comes into another diamond source and the market gets flooded, diamonds will almost instantly become very cheap.
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« Reply #9 on: June 08, 2017, 06:50:11 am »

I hope the market changes and more creative jewels start being sold.

I watched a documentary about the Manhattan gold district and the jewels on display there were breathtaking.

I am glad a lot of the older chains are going out of business; none of them are seeking out better jewelry makers.
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« Reply #10 on: June 15, 2017, 11:11:01 pm »

The way seems to be to marry a dealer in Amsterdam haha
I don't like emeralds, they are imo too brittle and need care.. Diamonds, rubies & sapphires you can chuck in the back of your box and not think about them and wear them daily. Emeralds are beautiful (seen some stunning stones!) but they can dry out, esp when worn as ring.

I heard that spinel is on the rise. Beautiful too and in the past often mistaken for ruby.

I know that the diamond market is very artificial, a very interesting topic to be researched/ discussed. Not even rare, certainly not as rare as jewellery companies make it out to be and the market is basically a monopoly; also very interesting how the marketing has now lasted 100 years and the slogans are taken as "fact" or "tradition" by most people.
I do wish the market were more fair, I do love diamonds. Beautiful & sturdy. I have seen some very interesting cuts that are not commercialized..

I have heard that it's better to invest in bigger diamonds rather than smaller ones. Though I guess fancy coloured stones would go well even if on the small side, but I don't know for sure.

This article popped up (Eyeballs gouged out, limbs ripped off, men drowned in molten lead – all because of the curse of the Koh-i-Noor. Is it any wonder the Queen doesn’t wear... The world's deadliest diamond!
Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/home/books/article-4608828/The-world-s-deadliest-diamond.html );

and something I think about from time to time came to me again: I have often heard that soem stones can be "cursed", often heard this in connection to diamonds. The stone is supposedly lapping up its wearers energy and can affect others.
Do any of you believe this? Or that some stones are "unlucky" and others "lucky"? The gathering energy I could imagine, but the lucky/ unlucky bit not so well, some cultures deem one stone very unlucky whilst others think of it very highly and as "lucky"..
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« Reply #11 on: July 26, 2017, 04:48:09 pm »

EXCL: The case of the missing Cartier: Diamond ring worth £750,000 vanishes from the British Museum

    Diamond ring given to the museum by a donor who asked to remain anonymous
    It went missing in 2011 but it has only now been registered as lost in accounts
    Cartier is world's finest jewellery house and was a favourite of Princess Diana


Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-4731798/Cartier-diamond-ring-goes-missing-British-Museum.html

Not noticed the disappearance for 6 yrs... smh! Great theft: took it, no one noticed, in the meantime all possible evidence has been eradicated...
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« Reply #12 on: July 26, 2017, 05:28:22 pm »

It sounds as if they noticed the theft but decided to keep quiet - wonder how the donor feels!!!
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