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« Reply #100 on: August 30, 2017, 02:36:05 am »

During their twenties Harry and William should have been working for the Prince's Trust, but foolishly decided to just party all the time and fancied they would be able to handle it all or start in their thirties. Life however doesn't work like that and frankly I believe that both threw a huge chance at an easy introduction to charity work via their father's foundation. As for Sentebele, it gives him an excuse to hang around Africa playing at being a desert warrior and as for Invcitus, it enables him to mingle with heads of state and travel the world in style and for a reason other than idling.

I agree. They should have been 'working royals' while still in their twenties. But Chucky was (is) too busy trying to cram Cammie down our throats to bother with his sons. And Liz is too weak to do anything. But they had the means and opportunities to do so much, they just blew it.
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« Reply #101 on: August 30, 2017, 03:04:51 am »

^ Harry was in the Army for ten years in his twenties and William was in Search and Rescue RAF, and then air ambulance in his twenties/thirties. Charles started off the Prince's Trust by being very hands-on with it (he was then in the Navy) but for at least the last decade and a half he has been practically a figurehead, still very interested, still on some occasions making appearances at the various charities the Trust encompasses. However, it is run by others now. Charles goes to its meetings at which administrative and fundraising activities are discussed, and that's it. William and Harry have their own Foundation/charities etc.

Neither brother was partying through their twenties any more than any other young men of the same age. They were performing public duties as well as following their careers. If they 'blew it' they'd hardly be undertaking full time royal duties from now on. They didn't 'blow' anything in fact, and their numbers are up from last year and the year before, when both undertook tours.
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« Reply #102 on: August 30, 2017, 04:30:15 pm »

In basketball, there's a thing we like to call "Empty stats." It's when a Player displays numbers that would seem impressive for those who are just checking the box score. In reality, they may score the highest points but a closer look would reveal that they didn't really contribute to winning. That's what these boys have been doing, they only Go through the motions and Show up for the shallow applause. They do not "play to win." Harry used to. Not sure what happened. Maybe it was too tiring for his spoiled, holidaying *ss.

Thing is, I don't really see the need to Look back to their 20's. The point is that they could easily make up for it NOW. Ball don't lie.
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« Reply #103 on: August 30, 2017, 06:30:36 pm »

^ Harry was in the Army for ten years in his twenties and William was in Search and Rescue RAF, and then air ambulance in his twenties/thirties. Charles started off the Prince's Trust by being very hands-on with it (he was then in the Navy) but for at least the last decade and a half he has been practically a figurehead, still very interested, still on some occasions making appearances at the various charities the Trust encompasses. However, it is run by others now. Charles goes to its meetings at which administrative and fundraising activities are discussed, and that's it. William and Harry have their own Foundation/charities etc.

Neither brother was partying through their twenties any more than any other young men of the same age. They were performing public duties as well as following their careers. If they 'blew it' they'd hardly be undertaking full time royal duties from now on. They didn't 'blow' anything in fact, and their numbers are up from last year and the year before, when both undertook tours.

William and Harry have jet-setted all the time and frankly neither could have remained in the military with all their partying; normal military men live on base and don't live in a mansion with servants and trips to foreign climes soon after their wedding. Harry wasn't living on base when he was in Vegas and he wasn't living on base when he was in the States. Charles was jetting around as a young man, but he wasn't fronting at being a serving member of the armed forces; they haven't done a sliver of what Charles did as a young man and frankly it's not like either WKH are in meetings, none of them can barely read or articulate a speech.
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« Reply #104 on: August 30, 2017, 10:23:49 pm »

When Harry was in Vegas he was on a 'pre-deployment' leave - something given to all British serving personnel who are about to go to an active war zone. He had the money to take himself and his friends to Vegas for a blow-out time.

He didn't always live on base due to the RPOs declaring that the bases weren't up to the security required for a high profile royal. Not everyone doing training in the US lives on a base (I have a cousin who spent six months doing a training course on a US base and he was put up in a nearby hotel for the time due to his father having the money for him to stay there rather on base and he preferred it as it gave him more freedom and as long as he didn't miss any training he was fine.) These men weren't in basic training or officer training but later training and so had a greater freedom to stay where they wanted - just like they would have in their home countries. Surely not all US servicemen and women live on base?

William and Kate went to a 'foreign clime' soon after their wedding for their honeymoon. Surely no one can deny a couple a two week honeymoon? William's father took over two months with Diana - to sunny climes such as Egypt and elsewhere in the Mediterranean and then Balmoral.

The overseas visits they made on behalf of The Queen - such as the Jubilee visits - were also part of their military service. That is standard practice and Charles and Andrew were also on official military duty when they undertook such visits while they were active serving officers.

The British military, particular the officers, have a culture of working hard when on duty but partying hard when off duty and that is exactly what the princes did.

In Britain many officers live off base - if they can afford to do so - which many of them can do as they already come from wealthy families. The Duke of Kent and Prince Michael didn't live on base and nor did Captain Mark Philips. James Hewitt didn't live on base either. It would be more unusual for officers to live on base in the UK, particularly when married.

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« Reply #105 on: September 01, 2017, 03:48:21 pm »

Pre-deployment in the US is taken pretty seriously.  Yes, you get, usually, 2 weeks, a month max (after that, without an extension, you are UA/AWOL) to get prepared but you are still in a state of "combat readiness" so Harry's behavior in Vegas was not only reckless and embarrassing but would have fallen under disgracing the uniform here.  Pre-deployment is an unknown.  If deployment had been announced that night, for any other human being, charges would have been issued.  But, he's special!  Deployment can happen at any time so he behaved really badly under the circumstances.  If you want to behave like an a$$ you do it on base.  Letting off steam on base is acceptable and supported.  This was markedly insulting to those with families to consider. 

The whole point of pre-deployment leave is to be with family, get your affairs in order and do as anyone would do in the face of possible death or dismemberment.  It's a time of respect and preparation.  Parties like Harry's are for after discharge or if a war has ended.  He knew that.

As for housing, basic training and deployment military stay on base.  Period.  Families can receive housing pay off base, of course and all officers and others after training or upon return from deployment can stay on or off base. 
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« Reply #106 on: September 01, 2017, 04:31:03 pm »

Regardless of the rules for living on or off base, the statement that security wasn't as good on base as off makes no sense to me whatsoever. How can on base security/ living on base not be secure? And I remember well that he was not allowed to live off base when he was with Chelsy, but he got different rules and did live off base, which no one else was allowed and it still remains forbidden (when he was still in training at that point; the fact remains that rules got bended a lot for him and his gf at the time, so I don't take anything as normal from them, ever. They always get special rules and reasons are given, but the reasons are fabrications to pacify the masses).

Blowing off steam I realize, but I do find it weird what different cultures and people see as "normal" when doing so (I remember in psychology class a study that was about culture clashes between US soldiers and British women ca 1945 - the US men being "slower" whilst the GB women much "faster" during dates (ie sexual relations), and for both their approach was normal/ the other's abnormal. I was just surprised that women -and therefore men- coming from a culture that was famous for gentlemen and ladies was in fact so brash; whilst the US people widely known for their brashness being much more reserved and romantic - in fact, actually gentlemanly and ladylike). Many things go way beyond boundaries and are unacceptable to me, which are put down to by many as "that's what soldiers do to blow off steam" or "lads, eh?" / "boys will be boys!". Erm.. No.
Just like I don't get the wh*ring of soldiers past and present. Brothels would always grow like weed during wartime for soldiers. But heaven forbid a woman had a tete-a-tete whilst her man was off for years; but him going to brothels and bringing back fck knows what to infect his wife with or fathering children abroad and generally him being blatantly unfaithful is somehow fine.
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« Reply #107 on: September 01, 2017, 04:47:43 pm »

Just because Harry could live off base, doesn't mean he should; bases are loaded with soldiers with weapons and an eagerness to get into war and it doesn't get any safer than that. He has his family just doesn't' want to obey any boundaries and be one of the crew.
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« Reply #108 on: September 01, 2017, 11:29:20 pm »

Pre-deployment leave in the US sounds very different to pre-deployment leave in Britain or Australia. It is a 'holiday break' and the person is free to do whatever they want. Married people will probably spend it with family (we often have children missing school because their father/mother wants to take them away for a two week holiday) but for singles they can and will go somewhere and have fun e.g. go to Bali or Fiji and get drunk and no one will care. The only reason why anyone cared with Harry was that is was made public. There were other officers from his unit there with him doing the same thing but no criticism of them because they aren't Harry.

Pre-deployment leave also means they know exactly when they are being deployed - date and time of leaving. They can't be called up to go earlier as they have been given their orders and so long as they are at the meeting or embarkation point, whichever it is, on time and correctly attired and equipped they are totally fine. They will usually have their families with them at that point as well. Harry didn't do anything wrong in terms of what he was allowed to do in the lead up to being deployed. Had he been John Smith no one would have turned a hair. The reason people criticise Harry is that he is a prince and therefore isn't allowed to do the things that other people in his situation are allowed to do, according to his detractors.

I am no fan of Harry's, or William's, but I refuse to criticise them for doing what is normal for men with those orders and will judge them by the standards of the UK military not the US's.

Harry was not in basic training in the US but specialist training and I know Australians who have also done specialist training in the US and they didn't stay on US bases. They aren't expected to stay on the base in specialist training anymore than they are expected to live on base after finishing their basic or officer training. It seems that this is simply let's 'bash Harry' for doing what others do rather than looking at the facts.

The argument that he should live on base because there are other soldiers there falls down because 1. most officers live off base if they are able to afford to do so 2. there is limited space on base and so he would be taking up a room (and more than one at that as the RPOs would also need to be accommodated - so he would need at least 3 rooms - one for himself and two for the two on duty at any given time. The RPOs would be the only ones armed most of the time as in the UK, like Australia, the soldier's don't have active weapons with them all the time. In my own time in the army I only ever carried a weapon loaded with live ammunition on the range. The rest of the time it was either totally unloaded or we were using blanks so not that secure.
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« Reply #109 on: September 01, 2017, 11:40:41 pm »

^No soldier ever expects to know exactly when deployment will take place.  They are given instructions and dates but know full well that can change at any moment based on a zillion different reasons.  Only top brass know.  For Harry to not know this as active military is preposterous.  He would have to cancel all work events until further notice as well.  It's war not an invitation to a scheduled garden party.  Again, he knows this.  Or should.
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« Reply #110 on: September 02, 2017, 12:16:58 am »

I know many many servicemen and women - having been one myself - and the deployment rules are clear - once given the orders they can not be changed. That is why the pre-deployment leave is as close to the deployment as possible and why people are encouraged to go away with family. As I said we regularly have children who are out of school with their parent on - pre-deployment leave and often they are out of the country or even 'go bush' so not contactable.

Different rules may apply in the US. I can only comment on what pre-deployment leave meant to me and those I know (both UK and Australian).
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« Reply #111 on: September 02, 2017, 01:27:11 am »

I know that August is sacrosanct vacation time, but I thought that was because the entire RF was supposed to be together all the time, as is family tradition. I do believe that if Harry had spent August with the BRF and had in fact at least spent time with the public doing duties, he wouldn't be getting flamed as he is now. His entire life has largely been one long vacation and I know it is frustrating, but he has to be seen to be getting involved in duties and his charities. He has to prove himself. He has to do his duties and live a public life, since his actions affect nations. He is WAY past the age where this is intimidating and he is WAY past the age where he should have been engaging the public regularly. This is his purpose and as for wanting more, he is not going to get it since he hasn't yet proven himself. I find it ironic that he is too good for duties, but not too good for the low types he hangs around.
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« Reply #112 on: September 02, 2017, 02:13:38 am »

August is their summer holiday time but it has not been 'all together' since the Queen's children reached adulthood.

From when Anne and Mark married there have been lengthy times when one or more of the children and now grandchildren aren't at Balmoral.

Over the last 20+ years it has been the Queen and Philip there for the entire two months - August and September - while other members of the family visit for a weekend or maybe a week but rarely are they all there at once. In some cases they go up for the weekend and then leave during the week.

Andrew and Sarah usually visit when The Queen is there before Philip arrives and it is rare for Andrew to visit again unless one or other of the girls is also going. This year, for instance, Beatrice hasn't been at all yet and Eugenie was there with her parents for the weekend before The Queen officially went into the Castle - i.e. before Philip arrived.

Like 'Christmas at Sandringham' it is a matter of the Queen and Philip there for the entire time while the others visit. Charles and Camilla will be spending the next longest period there as Charles has Birkhall and he will spend a lot more time there than the Queen and Philip spend at Balmoral.

The Wessex's regularly go to Spain in August as well to take the kids on a summer holiday - no photos of that this year but doesn't mean they haven't gone.

Where Harry decided to spend the summer break is done to him and would be done with The Queen's permission and approval. He has spent most of the summer in Africa for the last couple of years so nothing unusual there for him to do so again this year.

Harry is lazy - no doubt about it. When he does duties he does them well but he, like his older brother, are determined to reduce the number of engagements and to work with only a few causes for a few years and then move on. It is their way of 'modernising the monarchy' and they have the support of The Queen and Charles with their approach. Both of them believe that the BRF has become 'bloated' but they don't want to stop the Queen's cousins doing what they have always done thinking that would be ungrateful on their behalf as well as the nation's but in time the numbers will reduce and if Harry and William stick to their guns then the 'norm' will be around 200 - 250 per year for the monarch's consort and monarch's sibling/s and around 400 for the monarch, due to the 'behind closed doors' things that the monarch does e.g. receiving new ambassadors and high commissioners. The idea of 4000 in total a year will drop to an expected around 1500 by the time William is King and possibly even further with George.
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« Reply #113 on: September 03, 2017, 08:27:48 pm »

I think Harry, William and Kate have been less than forthcoming in the Work Department.
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« Reply #114 on: September 07, 2017, 01:14:40 pm »

He's got them in a spin! Prince Harry larks around with paramedics as he SPINS a dangling ambulance worker around during a live display Northern Ireland
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/femail/article-4861440/Prince-Harry-s-visit-Northern-Ireland.html
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« Reply #115 on: September 07, 2017, 01:29:03 pm »

Prince Harry will make his first visit to Northern Ireland on Thursday, where he will learn about peace building efforts with the Republic and the work of the emergency services.

The Prince will officially open Northern Ireland Ambulance Service’s new £5.6 million station, which combines Ballymena Ambulance Station and North Division Headquarters.

In the afternoon he will head to Belfast where His Royal Highness will spend time at Co-operation Ireland, an organisation which aims to promote interaction and practical collaboration between Northern Ireland and the Republic.

Harry will hear about the NI National Citizenship Service and the Amazing the Space programmes, which bring young people together who would otherwise not meet.

The Prince will later be among hundreds of guests at a garden party at Hillsborough Castle. The event, which was attended by the Duke and Duchess of Cambridge last year, has been hosted annually by the Secretary of State for Northern Ireland since 1984.
Hillsborough Castle is the official residence of the Royal Family when they are in Northern Ireland, and the home of the Secretary of State since the early 1970s.

—    Prince Harry is visiting Northern Ireland today. Visits to NI are usually embargoed.
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« Reply #116 on: September 14, 2017, 07:19:41 pm »

Prince Harry made a visit Wilderness Foundation, which provides support and activities for at-risk teenagers across Essex
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« Reply #117 on: September 15, 2017, 05:32:58 pm »

It may be just me, but everytime I log on and I see this thread on the Recent list for Harry my stomach drops because I think he finally got engaged. Mm has me all jumpy lately. Lips Sealed sly
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« Reply #118 on: September 15, 2017, 07:18:05 pm »

Prince Harry will make his first visit to Northern Ireland on Thursday, where he will learn about peace building efforts with the Republic and the work of the emergency services.

The Prince will officially open Northern Ireland Ambulance Service’s new £5.6 million station, which combines Ballymena Ambulance Station and North Division Headquarters.

In the afternoon he will head to Belfast where His Royal Highness will spend time at Co-operation Ireland, an organisation which aims to promote interaction and practical collaboration between Northern Ireland and the Republic.

Harry will hear about the NI National Citizenship Service and the Amazing the Space programmes, which bring young people together who would otherwise not meet.

The Prince will later be among hundreds of guests at a garden party at Hillsborough Castle. The event, which was attended by the Duke and Duchess of Cambridge last year, has been hosted annually by the Secretary of State for Northern Ireland since 1984.
Hillsborough Castle is the official residence of the Royal Family when they are in Northern Ireland, and the home of the Secretary of State since the early 1970s.
—    Prince Harry is visiting Northern Ireland today. Visits to NI are usually embargoed.

Oh how cute; Harry is playing at being a humanitarian and a emergency services soldier.
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« Reply #119 on: September 22, 2017, 10:26:59 am »

Prince Harry will undertake a two day visit to Copenhagen, Denmark on the 25th and 26th October. This visit is at the request of the FCO.

Via Rebecca English
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