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« on: February 02, 2016, 01:39:52 pm »

Cameron says he has got a deal with the EU but if you read carefully he has done no such thing - there are still so many details to be thrashed out. Until the deal is done those Tory MP's that want to campaign to leave have been gagged but no doubt it will be rigged to go the way call-me-dave wants like another referendum or ballot boxes will go missing as happened in the last General Election

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3427892/Theresa-demands-tougher-rules-migrants-Boris-Johnson-warns-needs-hours-PM-unveils-deal-Brussels.html


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« Reply #1 on: February 03, 2016, 01:57:05 pm »

More is coming out about this so-called wonderful deal Cameron has negotiated.

 http://www.google.co.uk/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=8&cad=rja&uact=8&sqi=2&ved=0ahUKEwiy5emQ3NvKAhUGVhoKHdr0BqwQFgg9MAc&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.telegraph.co.uk%2Fnews%2Fnewstopics%2Feureferendum%2F12135328%2FEU-referendum-draft-deal-revealed-by-Donald-Tusk-live.html&usg=AFQjCNH1sXo52vhkEsdZBj6nCsstPTUFlQ&bvm=bv.113034660,d.ZWU

The draft UK/EU deal confirms that Cameron’s renegotiation will not address the problems which people see in the EU. The British public want to take back control and end the supremacy of EU law over our borders, economy and democracy. Nothing in yesterday’s announcement even comes close to the fundamental, full on Treaty change Cameron once promised the public. He has failed to deliver on his key manifesto pledge to limit migrants’ benefits. The ‘emergency brake’ on in-work benefits for EU migrants will be triggered by the EU, not the UK. Significantly, it is not a complete exclusion for four years as Cameron said he would ‘insist on’ in the Conservative Manifesto, but a ‘graduated’ mechanism allowing EU migrants greater access to benefits over time. The new ‘red card’ plan is impractical and unworkable – it introduces a new 55% threshold before a law can be blocked which is much higher than the current threshold of a third of national parliaments and will make the device wholly impractical.

The UK gives the EU £20 billion per annum and, although we are one of the largest contributors to the EU budget, wealthy nations such as Germany and France receive more in structural funds which are used for regional development projects. For example, the EU has spent £264 million on just four bridges in Greece, Romania, Bulgaria and Poland.

Today’s draft decision states right at the beginning that it is ‘in conformity with the Treaties’. This reaffirms the supremacy of the EU Treaties over UK law.
 I think this will lead to a split in the Tory party. Cameron is a disgusting, duplicitous, traitorous bastard who has sold this country down the river to the EU. As for Boris and May...they have been hanging around to see which way the wind blows and now have sold their souls to the Devil.   If Cameron had played it utterly straight and been a proper statesman, then he couldn't be blamed either way but he is Mr Shifty. Whichever way this goes our politics are changing. Forever.  Even if Out vote lose this will be back again very quickly as if we stay it means joining the Euro by 2020.

The only way to get a new UK/EU relationship based on free trade and friendly cooperation is to Vote Leave
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« Reply #2 on: February 03, 2016, 05:34:12 pm »

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Great post and the truth of the matter is that the majority of the UK citizens want to leave.  They have however no faith in the voting system and fear that it will be rigged to remain in.   It is a well known fact here in the UK that General Election and Scottish Referendum were rigged.
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« Reply #3 on: February 04, 2016, 07:59:58 am »

right - not much of a deal but people can be easily fooled.
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« Reply #4 on: February 04, 2016, 06:06:22 pm »

Looks like David Davis has joined the Out campaign which is good news... he should have been leader of the Conservative Party instead of Cameron but the fools chose Blair Lite to appeal to the electorate. DC many have won 2 elections but he's starting to look vulnerable and the press are full of scathing headlines and comments. He's gagged the ministers who want out of the EU and told Tory MP's to ignore grass roots opinion and in doing so has shown the contempt he has for the electorate.

 The Head of the Civil Service, Jeremy Hayward, has been told not to make contingency plans for Brexit...that should tell us all something

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3431777/David-Davis-launches-bid-lead-EU-campaign-attacks-David-Cameron-s-EU-deal-unambitious-waste-time.html

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« Reply #5 on: February 04, 2016, 11:29:47 pm »

I read in a couple of places today that 92% of the U.K. public want to leave Europe.  Yes, David Davis would have made an excellent leader.  I have attended several of his talks in the past and he is very impressive and a thoroughly decent man.
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« Reply #6 on: February 05, 2016, 01:18:07 pm »

He's really in the sh*t now as party activists will probably refuse to help the candidates n the May elections.  We can but hope that when the party realise what a liability he is becoming they will throw him out.  They've done it before to protect the party interests (Margaret Thatcher) and won't ave any scruples about doing it again - a very ruthless bunch


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« Reply #7 on: February 05, 2016, 04:10:34 pm »

Just seen him on Sky with the Danish PM, he seemed  very pleased with himself and is a past master at skirting round questions, never really answering them.
 
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« Reply #8 on: February 05, 2016, 05:35:10 pm »

Yes well, 'Pride comes before a fall' springs to mind wopedo
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« Reply #9 on: February 05, 2016, 05:56:31 pm »

The word out everywhere is that most of the UK want Out in the Referendum but there are fears it will be rigged to favour Cameron's 'in' desire.
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« Reply #10 on: February 05, 2016, 08:14:34 pm »

When will Britain vote on this?  May?
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« Reply #11 on: February 05, 2016, 09:34:23 pm »

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The government has ruled out holding the election on 5 May 2016, the same day as elections to devolved parliaments in Scotland, Wales and Northern Ireland and for London's mayor. But only this specific date has been ruled out, meaning an early poll is still possible, with June seen as the earliest feasible option if there's a February deal, given that Mr Cameron has to give 16 weeks notice. No 10 is reported to favour a date on 23 June. July and August are not seen as good months to hold a nationwide poll, as many voters will be on their summer holidays.

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« Reply #12 on: February 07, 2016, 12:33:01 am »

These plutocrats just do not get that they cannot hold the tide against popular desire.  They think they can spin and manipulate but people are just not that stupid.  This so called deal is nothing - accomplishes nothing that the people care about.

M worry is that when people see that the mainstream parties are lying to them and are not doing what they claim - that people will turn to more extreme leaders.  Scary.

As for the EU - I suspect the UK should get out before the whole thing implodes.
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« Reply #13 on: February 07, 2016, 01:15:10 am »

I think the people are likely to storm the homes of politicians at this point in time; no more sitting around waiting for leadership.
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« Reply #14 on: February 07, 2016, 07:26:10 am »

An excellent article by Peter Hitchens and so true.  The politicians will manipulate to stay in.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/debate/article-3435536/PETER-HITCHENS-ahead-vote-ll-NEVER-leave-EU.html
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« Reply #15 on: February 08, 2016, 05:07:04 pm »

I think DC has been told that one of the pressing issues regarding our membership of the EU is immigration, hence his latest in an attempt to scare us into voting to stay in the EU -  IMO this is just scare tactics
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3436649/Quitting-Europe-lead-Jungle-camps-Kent-claims-Cameron.html
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« Reply #16 on: February 08, 2016, 07:31:39 pm »

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What a ridiculous claim, typical from oink oink Cameroon.
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« Reply #17 on: February 09, 2016, 02:11:20 pm »

The French were quick to repudiate that.. not that their politicians are any more trustworthy than ours probably but is still makes cmd look a fool - mind you, that's not difficult

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3438465/France-insists-WON-T-scrap-border-deal-Britain.html
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« Reply #18 on: February 09, 2016, 02:49:43 pm »

Most of us here in the UK can't understand why Cameroon wants us to remain in Europe, most of them don't like us and they have never supported us over anything, remember the mad cow disease situation and other similar scenarios.
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« Reply #19 on: February 09, 2016, 08:19:23 pm »

From another forum - no wonder the UK public think the referendum will be rigged to remain in Europe.

'This is sensational stuff from Michael Crick at C4. Watch the video Tories up to their eyeballs in election fraud at the three bye elections in 2014 to try and see off UKIP.

http://order-order.com/2016/02/08/tory-overspend-in-ukip-by-elections/

Further another story by Guido Fawkes on Order Order reveals extra details thatC4 didn't include but at theNewark bye election the Tories also booked hotels and went clubbing in Nottongham to make it look like it was unconnected to Newark.'

http://order-order.com/2016/02/09/how-tories-hid-hotel-and-booze-bills-in-newark/
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