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« Reply #660 on: May 19, 2017, 12:08:04 am »

^ The damage has already been done, starting with Fergie.  The rest was just a slippery slope.
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« Reply #661 on: May 19, 2017, 12:23:18 am »

Kate is not any better than Meghan. She and William do little and have the nerve to file that lawsuit and demand big bucks. The Queen sits back and does not stop her grandson. She did pull the plug on the Burrell trial.
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« Reply #662 on: May 19, 2017, 07:32:03 am »

ER never had a spine in the first place
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« Reply #663 on: May 19, 2017, 10:25:46 am »

I wonder how things would be now if she'd governed her family with an iron fist, or at least more involvement, since the beginning.

Though it has always been said that Phil is the boss of the family, b/c Liz is the boss of the nation, which then begs the question why didn't or in how far did Phil get involved?

By her avoiding conflict she has firmly derailed her own family and with that the monarchy.
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« Reply #664 on: May 19, 2017, 12:01:45 pm »

All of my life, I was always a staunch monarchist until I was enlightened back in the 90's. I realized the truth about the Queen and the Rf. She is spineless and her inertia will being down the RF. And it should happen now. The mystery is gone. These people are not nice people. They take what they can. They lie. Their PR efforts are massive. They do not live by ordinary rules. They get away with unbelievable things. I say good riddance to all of them.
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« Reply #665 on: May 19, 2017, 01:22:31 pm »

To be honest, the main issue I have is how she let her direct heirs become so shiftless and exposed to constant instability at such an early age right through their formative years. None of the York princesses should have been dragged around the planet by Fergie while the princes never should have been forced to live in a dysfunctional environment like they did. Thousands of royal estates in the country and HM didn't send them to a quiet place to live. HM let be exposed to all that domestic violence and didn't put them in a stable place where they could come home to a healthy, stable parent figure and a healthy routine. That is HM's biggest failure; for all that the princes and princesses were the future, she didn't protect them at all. She let them get used.

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« Reply #666 on: May 19, 2017, 03:10:31 pm »

The Queen and DOE do their jobs.  No one can criticize them for that and that's what the taxpayer expects.  Their personal life should not be front and center and HM has maintained that professional/private distance perfectly.  That is what a monarchy is supposed to do if you must have one.  So, she made her job her priority and did her best as a parent but mucked it up, clearly.  However, that is also part of the package.  You don't get it all.  Her childhood wasn't a bed of roses, either, and she experienced great loss and self-sacrifice.  She chose the avenue of duty.  She foolishly expected her offspring to act accordingly and by example.  That didn't happen.

So, as we trickle down from there I would have to ask myself, would I vote for any of these dysfunctional, entitled and whiny players to be on the receiving end of my loyalty and monies?  I'd have to say no.  Just look at William!  Would you honestly choose him to be in his position?  He can't even pretend to care.  Charles/Camilla have such drama/bad mojo w/the public and he wants to "trim back" the monarchy.  Rip it out by the roots, I say.
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« Reply #667 on: May 19, 2017, 03:20:14 pm »

The Queen's children after a while could not blame Mom and Dad for their own life decisions.

The Queen should have not allowed William and Harry to have all the leisure time in their twenties and beyond for vacations and bar hopping. They should have been expected to pitch in and work and only after they achieved a certain number of duties, would be given the perks and vacations.

Charles' idea of scaling down the monarchy is IMO not realistic. I don't think William and Harry can switch on being dynamos in the work department--I think they may be set in their ways. Charles may have to call on more relatives. He and Camilla are no spring chickens. I expect Camilla to retire from royal work  at an earlier age than Prince Philip did, to say the least.

Charles had not so great mentors including Mountbatten and Van Der Post. The Queen Mum over indulged him and Mountbatten's ideas of Charles sowing wild oats backfired.
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« Reply #668 on: May 19, 2017, 07:48:43 pm »

For me, it's too late to play the blame game on HM.  Whatever damage or good behavior is already there and right now and what's ahead is what the taxpayers have to deal with.  Maybe she did try to get them to do something but they're both very good at being passive aggressive and I can see a dynamic where it was better to let them go than to have them screw stuff up.  She takes her job so seriously and most people who do have a very hard time believing that other people don't have the same work ethic.

As for the future, it should be of grave interest to the taxpayer what they are willing to suffer.  Especially in the current heavy celebrity culture and instant info in which we now live.  Do they represent them in a way that enhances their culture?  Are they really pulling their weight in the charitable giving arena?  Are they willing to sacrifice their personal lives for duty?  I'm looking at you, William and Kate.
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« Reply #669 on: May 19, 2017, 09:49:31 pm »

^ Absolutely Not
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« Reply #670 on: May 19, 2017, 10:29:15 pm »

The BRF know that they can't push William and Harry around in the way that others in their position could be controlled as they are independently wealthy and aren't reliant on Charles' money. He gives it to them but he also knows they don't need it. If they push them too hard then they may very well walk away and then the heirs are Andrew and Beatrice whom no one would accept.

The Queen did the right thing with having the boys spend their 20s in the military - as happened with sons in the past. The difference was that William wasn't forced to step up to royal duties when he was originally supposed to do so - 2008 - but was allowed to change services and spend time in helicopters. Harry was supposed to stay in the army for at least 20 years - as Andrew did - but he left after 10. The left a big problem - an unemployed prince (now for nearly 2 years) but one not interested in duties either. William at least has the part-time job with the air ambulance to fill in some of his time. While these princes aren't doing royal duties then the girls can't be asked to do so and now that they are so despised they will never be accepted.

Charles has to now go with the smaller family route - which is not to say that the instant he becomes King he is going to stop anyone who currently works for the Firm from doing so but rather as the older generation retire then they won't be replaced.

Currently there are 15 doing regular duties with 4 over 80, 2 in their 70s (soon to be 3 with Camilla), 3 in their 60s (again soon to be 2 with Camilla moving up) 3 in their 50s and 30 in their 30s. Add 20 years and there will really only be the 3 in their 70s and the 3 in their 60s with the then 'young royals - George and Charlotte') still in full-time education in their 20s and any potential cousins still in their teens. So in 20 years there will be a maximum of 6 whereas today there are 15.
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« Reply #671 on: May 21, 2017, 08:39:05 pm »

A right royal knees-up! The Queen makes her debut at celebrity-haunt The Ivy for a friend's birthday (and can look forward to after dinner conversation with David Walliams)

    The Queen made her debut at the iconic restaurant on London's West Street to celebrate her friend's birthday
    Comedian David Walliams was also in attendance along with the Queen's cousin Prince Michael of Kent
    The menu features such classic dishes as shepherds pie, calves liver and fish and chips
    This is thought to be the first time that Her Majesty has dined out since visiting Bellamy's in March 2016


Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/femail/article-4520468/The-Queen-makes-debut-Ivy.html
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« Reply #672 on: May 21, 2017, 11:42:10 pm »

The BRF know that they can't push William and Harry around in the way that others in their position could be controlled as they are independently wealthy and aren't reliant on Charles' money. He gives it to them but he also knows they don't need it. If they push them too hard then they may very well walk away and then the heirs are Andrew and Beatrice whom no one would accept.

The Queen did the right thing with having the boys spend their 20s in the military - as happened with sons in the past. The difference was that William wasn't forced to step up to royal duties when he was originally supposed to do so - 2008 - but was allowed to change services and spend time in helicopters. Harry was supposed to stay in the army for at least 20 years - as Andrew did - but he left after 10. The left a big problem - an unemployed prince (now for nearly 2 years) but one not interested in duties either. William at least has the part-time job with the air ambulance to fill in some of his time. While these princes aren't doing royal duties then the girls can't be asked to do so and now that they are so despised they will never be accepted.

Charles has to now go with the smaller family route - which is not to say that the instant he becomes King he is going to stop anyone who currently works for the Firm from doing so but rather as the older generation retire then they won't be replaced.

Currently there are 15 doing regular duties with 4 over 80, 2 in their 70s (soon to be 3 with Camilla), 3 in their 60s (again soon to be 2 with Camilla moving up) 3 in their 50s and 30 in their 30s. Add 20 years and there will really only be the 3 in their 70s and the 3 in their 60s with the then 'young royals - George and Charlotte') still in full-time education in their 20s and any potential cousins still in their teens. So in 20 years there will be a maximum of 6 whereas today there are 15.

I would not agree that "no one" would accept the Yorks. If they are next in line and William and Harry leave it, they would be expected to step up and work. Also William might give up  but could not apply that to his children (it would be unlikely that he would)  and then George would be next not the Yorks. Charlotte  would be also be ahead of the Yorks in line of succession.

William kept very irregular hours at the part time job.  I would not say he spent much time there.
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« Reply #673 on: May 21, 2017, 11:53:14 pm »

I think HM's inability to act stems from the fact that when she was growing up, there was never any question about how things were done. There was no angsty soul searching, there was no hanging out with Buddhist psychic mediums, and things were just accepted as is and that was that. Now starting with Charles, the royals are constantly challenging the status quo and therefore constantly challenging HM's authority, likely distracting HM from focusing full on her job. Charles opnely keeps a rivla court and has pushed for his mistress to become his wife; William flouts the established royal routines and Kate takes his lead. As for the rest, the less said about that the better. Even Princess Anne has openly challenged Charles, which is a no-no in public and private. Don't get me started on Prince Harry and the Yorkies. I am certain that HM cannot cope in this kind of familial situation where she has to both reign and try to get her idiotic heirs in line, who refuse to just accept things as they are and the price that is required to be paid.
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« Reply #674 on: May 22, 2017, 12:25:41 am »

Princess Anne would not kowtow to Charles beginning when they were children. I don't think Charles expects her to. It's not a no no to her. Good for her for challenging him. Someone should once in a while. All of Charles' siblings challenged him when he trashed their parents back in 1994. The Queen should not have ostriched as much as she did. She ignored unpleasant things to her. She even apparently did not confront Charles about his taking his married mistress as his "official escort" to Zimbabwe (before he dated Diana). It caused a lot of embarrassment especially when a courtier saw Charles making out with Camilla during the tour. The Queen turned a blind eye to the weird advice to Charles  by Mountbatten and the dodgy mentors Charles adopted. She let William just drift and do as he pleases even taking on a fake job.
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« Reply #675 on: May 22, 2017, 12:33:36 am »


Anne isn't supposed to challenge him, at least not publicly.

Anne is the spare and now further down and she needs to stop going to the press or needs to find out who is leaking all of this. I am certain Anne was out of line then and this is what I'm talk9ing about in accepting things as they are.

I do wonder if whether or not the royals will wake up one day and decide to just grow up. They can't seem to just go about their business, it's  like they chase any chance to get involved in the latest trendy (often troublemaker) cause and seek out people who bring them nothing but trouble.
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« Reply #676 on: May 25, 2017, 05:53:41 pm »

Queen Elizabeth visits victims of 'very wicked' Manchester attack
(CNN)Queen Elizabeth described the terror attack that left 22 people dead in Manchester as "very wicked" during a visit to Royal Manchester Children's Hospital, according to the UK Press Association.

The monarch was in Manchester Thursday to speak to some of the young people who were injured in Monday's attack, as well as the hospital staff who have been treating them.
The Queen talked to a number of parents and their children during her visit, even discussing singer Ariana Grande, whose concert they had been attending.http://edition.cnn.com/2017/05/25/europe/queen-elizabeth-manchester-attack/
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« Reply #677 on: May 26, 2017, 06:35:53 am »

Queen Elizabeth visits victims of 'very wicked' Manchester attack
(CNN)Queen Elizabeth described the terror attack that left 22 people dead in Manchester as "very wicked" during a visit to Royal Manchester Children's Hospital, according to the UK Press Association.

The monarch was in Manchester Thursday to speak to some of the young people who were injured in Monday's attack, as well as the hospital staff who have been treating them.
The Queen talked to a number of parents and their children during her visit, even discussing singer Ariana Grande, whose concert they had been attending.http://edition.cnn.com/2017/05/25/europe/queen-elizabeth-manchester-attack/

I'm glad QE visited the victims in the hospital, but that hat and color is atrocious.  I'm all for cheering people up, but she looked like the Mad Hatter got dressed in the dark.
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« Reply #678 on: May 26, 2017, 08:38:46 am »

^^^^  In fairness to HM the hat was the same colour as the dress (as was the coat).  However, given the gravity of the situation I think what she was wore was secondary to how she presented herself to the victims and staff.  As usual she was exemplary and never once made it about "her".
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« Reply #679 on: May 26, 2017, 10:01:06 am »

^^^^  In fairness to HM the hat was the same colour as the dress (as was the coat).  However, given the gravity of the situation I think what she was wore was secondary to how she presented herself to the victims and staff.  As usual she was exemplary and never once made it about "her".

Agreed about the presentation part.  Thank god WK wasn't inflicted on them.
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