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« Reply #40 on: June 03, 2014, 02:27:47 pm »

I think perhaps the riots were to do with anti-globalisation rallies. I hope, whatever the cause of the disturbances that the new King and Queen are given a chance. They deserve that, at least.
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« Reply #41 on: June 03, 2014, 02:38:26 pm »

^absolutedly not. The rallies were about wanting a republic.

Of course interests were mixed. Some places it was more abouy wanting an independent republican state and others a socialist republic. But it wast not an anti globalisation rally with a couple of republican flags.

And I can say this because due to one I couldnt get access to my bus.

I dont know why they deserve a chance? They have had 300 hundred years and it has been a complete disaster.

Ive been recently to the Prado museum and I got the opportunity to see again the family pictures of the Borbones (if anyone goes the family of charles iv by Goya is the best) and in those pictures you can read the history of spain. You know what I felt? Total frustration from what we could have had and what we have now.

The abdication is wanting to keep the old regime changing everything. Very lampedusian.
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« Reply #42 on: June 03, 2014, 02:45:55 pm »

I bow to your superior knowledge of the situation in Spain, Alexandrine.
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« Reply #43 on: June 03, 2014, 03:01:37 pm »

Thanks Alexandrine. There were pictures in Madrid and the squares were all full of people. There was some commentary it was peaceful, some there had been arrests. Considering the timing it had to have something to do with the monarchy, it was just difficult to ascertain what exactly.
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« Reply #44 on: June 03, 2014, 03:09:25 pm »

^^Seriously.
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« Reply #45 on: June 03, 2014, 03:28:39 pm »

I shamelessly admit to stealing these from elsewhere:

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-27671685

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2647087/Thousands-anti-monarchist-protesters-streets-Spain-calling-republic-King-Juan-Carlos-abdicates-39-years.html

http://www.euronews.com/2014/06/03/spanish-abdication-boosts-republican-cause/
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But William showed no interest in holding back, sending his first ball whizzing inches from her face. Steve Robson - Mirror online


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« Reply #46 on: June 03, 2014, 03:37:12 pm »

My knowledge only cames because I live here and have to suffer spanish politics. There are people who know lots more than I do.

However I am biased in the sense that I am a republican.

About the demonstration in one of them they showed a guillotine, I will try to look for the photo.

an article in english about the rallieshttp://m1.marketwatch.com/articles/BL-MWSRB-1699
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« Reply #47 on: June 03, 2014, 03:49:37 pm »

Spanish politicians lay out abdication timetable
http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-27672997
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Spanish politicians have been outlining the next steps in the abdication of King Juan Carlos and the accession of his son Crown Prince Felipe.

Parliament Speaker Jesus Posada said that he thought the necessary legal steps could be completed by 18 June.

The royal household would then decide the date of the coronation, he said.

Prime Minister Mariano Rajoy has rebuffed calls for a referendum on the monarchy, saying it had "the support of the great majority in Spain".

King Juan Carlos announced on Monday that he would step down after nearly 40 years on the throne.

He was seen as popular for much of his reign, but recently many Spaniards have lost confidence in him.

On Monday evening, hours after his announcement, some left-wing parties staged demonstrations attended by tens of thousands of people across many cities, including Madrid and Barcelona, demanding a referendum on the monarchy.

However, the two main parties in parliament remain loyal to the monarchy, with the El Pais newspaper estimating that at least 86% of MPs will approve the special law needed to ensure the succession.
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« Reply #48 on: June 03, 2014, 07:02:25 pm »

English text of King Juan Carlos of Spain’s message to Spain, 2 June 2014

Today, when I look back, I can only feel pride and gratitude to you.

Pride for the many good things we have achieved together over the years.

And gratitude for the support you have given me to make my reign, begun in full youth at a time of great uncertainties and difficulties, a long period of peace, stability and progress.

Faithful to the political desire of my father, the Count of Barcelona, from whom I inherited the historic legacy of the Spanish monarchy, I wanted to be king for all Spaniards. I have identified with and engaged with your hopes, I have enjoyed your successes and suffered when pain or frustration overwhelmed you.

The long and deep economic crisis we are suffering from has left serious scars in the social fabric but it is also showing us the way to a future full of hope.

These difficult years have allowed us to take self-critical stock of our errors and our limitations as a society.

And, as a counterweight, it has also revived the proud awareness of what we have been and are capable of; and of what we have been and are: a great nation.

All this has awakened in us an urge for renewal, to overcome, to correct mistakes and open the way to a decidedly better future.

Today a younger generation deserves to take the front line, with new energies, resolute in undertaking with determination the transformations and reforms that this moment in time demands and to confront tomorrow’s challenges with renewed intensity and dedication.

In forging this future, a new generation is rightly claiming its role as protagonist, just as happened in a crucial moment of the history of the generation to which I belong.

My only ambition has been and will continue to be to contribute always to achieve the well-being and progress in freedom of all Spaniards.

I want the best for Spain, to which I have dedicated my entire life and to whose service I have placed all my abilities, my hope and my work.

My son Felipe, heir to the Crown, embodies the stability that is the distinguishing mark of the monarchical institution.

When last January I turned 76, I thought it was time to prepare the handover in a few months so as to leave the way to someone who is in excellent condition to assure that stability.

The Prince of Asturias has the maturity, the readiness and the sense of responsibility needed to take on with full guarantees the leadership of the state and open a new phase of hope combining experience and the drive of a new generation. For that, I know he will count on the support that he will always have from Princess Letizia.

For all these reasons, guided by the conviction of having given my best service to the Spanish people and having recovered physically and resumed my institutional activities, I decided to put an end to my reign and abdicate the Crown of Spain so that the government and parliament can give effect to the succession in line with the constitution.

I have just officially informed the president of the government of this, this morning.
I would like to express my gratitude to the Spanish people, to all who have embodied the powers and institutions of the state during my reign and to all those who have generously and loyally helped me to fulfill my duties.

And my gratitude to the Queen, whose help and generous support have never failed me.

I hold and will always hold Spain deep in my heart.
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« Reply #49 on: June 03, 2014, 08:52:34 pm »

good speech - interesting time for Spain - I think Felipe will be an excellent King - he has spent a lot of time working with young people and understands their problems and frustrations -
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« Reply #50 on: June 03, 2014, 10:39:17 pm »

I read somewhere last night there had been demonstrations across Spain. I couldn't tell if they were pro republican or pro JC. Does anyone have any more information about this please?

Pro republican and pro referendum. It's just about time.

Here are the pics (see how they wave the republican flag):

Málaga:

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BpJWkgCCcAA9JfF.jpg

Barcelona:

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BpJV4kxCIAETxkq.jpg

Madrid:

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BpJXCgKIUAQoRq7.jpg

Palma:

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BpJW5YRCUAIvown.jpg


Zaragoza:

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BpJVA02CUAA0UmG.jpg

London:

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BpJV4tXIMAA2gdB.jpg

Bilbao:

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BpJZR4pCAAErSDu.jpg

I think perhaps the riots were to do with anti-globalisation rallies. I hope, whatever the cause of the disturbances that the new King and Queen are given a chance. They deserve that, at least.

Nothing to do with anti-globalisation. They were anti Felipe and pro referendum/republic.

good speech - interesting time for Spain - I think Felipe will be an excellent King - he has spent a lot of time working with young people and understands their problems and frustrations -

He understands absolutely nothing because you can't understand what you don't know. Felipe doesn't know what it's like to be young and unemployed. He doesn't know what it's like to EARN things. He doesn't know what it's like to not be able to put food on the table for your kids. He doesn't know what long-term unemployment feels like. He doesn't know what it's like to work. He knows NOTHING. He was born with a silver spoon in his mouth and has lived in an ivory tower all his life. His wife? Well, she forgot about all this the minute she became a royal. These two couldn't care less about Spain and its citizens and even if they did, what can they do to help us? NOTHING. Youth unemployment rate in Spain = 56.1% What is he going to do to help us? And Letizia the oh-so-understanding-commoner? What is she going to do? Get another nose job at our expense?
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« Reply #51 on: June 04, 2014, 01:25:11 am »

I appreciate that you are angry and times are hard - but chill okay?  I don't need to have my statements attacked by you every time I post.  People are capable of empathy - of understanding another person's situation - one does not have to be unemployed to know how desperate and scary that would be.  And frankly - the Spanish government for sure is not going to address these problems - so at least there is someone in a position of some power who will speak up for those young people.

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« Reply #52 on: June 04, 2014, 01:29:33 am »

Prince Felipe will be crowned King of Spain on 18 June

http://www.newmyroyals.com/2014/06/prince-felipe-will-be-crowned-king-of.html
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« Reply #53 on: June 04, 2014, 03:42:35 am »

I appreciate that you are angry and times are hard - but chill okay?  I don't need to have my statements attacked by you every time I post.  People are capable of empathy - of understanding another person's situation - one does not have to be unemployed to know how desperate and scary that would be.  And frankly - the Spanish government for sure is not going to address these problems - so at least there is someone in a position of some power who will speak up for those young people.

has Felipe spoken Up? has Letizia shown any interest? Do either of them make speeches talking about employment?

Letizia looks like she's going to spend her time doing more international things and will not give a fig about Spain or Spaniards and as for being a 9-5 Queen, well, tells everyone everything about what Spain means to her. She intends of 'normal' Queening and that is of course, impossible since the day she married Felipe she was a future Queen. if she's going to keep 'normal hours' then that means that if it means holding off a state banquet, so be it.

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What Letizia wants, Letizia gets and the rest of Spain can stuff it.
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« Reply #54 on: June 04, 2014, 10:00:44 am »

I appreciate that you are angry and times are hard - but chill okay?  I don't need to have my statements attacked by you every time I post. People are capable of empathy - of understanding another person's situation - one does not have to be unemployed to know how desperate and scary that would be.  And frankly - the Spanish government for sure is not going to address these problems - so at least there is someone in a position of some power who will speak up for those young people.

1. I'm not attacking anyone's statements, I'm expressing my thoughts on them.
2. His empathy won't help matters. Having him say "I feel so much for our young people" is not going to solve the problem. Spain needs facts, not words. Unfortunately, shallow words are the only thing these people have to offer. I still remember the last time he addressed this issue in public. "Education is the key to finding a good job". That comes to show just how out of touch with reality this man is. He still thinks that the reason why so many young people are unemployed is because they dropped out of school (which is what happened... 15 years ago). My God...

I appreciate that you are angry and times are hard - but chill okay?  I don't need to have my statements attacked by you every time I post.  People are capable of empathy - of understanding another person's situation - one does not have to be unemployed to know how desperate and scary that would be.  And frankly - the Spanish government for sure is not going to address these problems - so at least there is someone in a position of some power who will speak up for those young people.

has Felipe spoken Up? has Letizia shown any interest? Do either of them make speeches talking about employment?

Letizia looks like she's going to spend her time doing more international things and will not give a fig about Spain or Spaniards and as for being a 9-5 Queen, well, tells everyone everything about what Spain means to her. She intends of 'normal' Queening and that is of course, impossible since the day she married Felipe she was a future Queen. if she's going to keep 'normal hours' then that means that if it means holding off a state banquet, so be it.

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What Letizia wants, Letizia gets and the rest of Spain can stuff it.

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« Reply #55 on: June 04, 2014, 06:47:54 pm »

The future King and Queen's first appearance since the abdication: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2648546/Back-business-future-king-queen-Spain-make-public-appearance-abdication-King-Juan-Carlos.html
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But William showed no interest in holding back, sending his first ball whizzing inches from her face. Steve Robson - Mirror online


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« Reply #56 on: June 04, 2014, 08:01:51 pm »

Last 2 pics are scary. She looks demonic.
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« Reply #57 on: June 04, 2014, 09:42:53 pm »

I disagree. I think she is a very attractive young woman. Looks are relative though, but I do think demonic is a little strong!
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« Reply #58 on: June 04, 2014, 09:46:47 pm »

I've seen Kate and her mother called way worse than demonic and nobody really calls anyone else on it.....I have never really cared for Lezitia although I do like some of her clothing styles....she's looking way to skinny
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« Reply #59 on: June 04, 2014, 09:50:02 pm »

Very true. It boils down to what you think of a person. I am only now learning about the SRF and admit to barely scratching the surface, but I think Letizia has the making of a wonderful Queen consort. That's why I feel demonic is a bit strong. As I said, it's all relative.
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But William showed no interest in holding back, sending his first ball whizzing inches from her face. Steve Robson - Mirror online


"There's nothing deeper than love. In fairy tales, the princesses kiss the frogs, and the frogs become princes. In real life, the princesses kiss princes, and the princes turn into frogs."  - P.Coelho
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