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« Reply #60 on: June 29, 2013, 11:45:35 am »

I wonder how different things might have been if Henry hadn't married Katherine of Aragon, but had instead married a younger princess more around his own age (or younger). It might have changed things; he might have had more children, healthy children, and ended up with quite a few sons in the bargain. After seven wasted years over Katherine, he then waited a decade to marry Anne Boleyn, then wasting more years of his prime breeding time and while married to her, gained a ton of weight after his leg problems started and gave up jousting.

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Actually, a lot of his excesses came from the fact that he was totally and completely obsessed to have a male heir and he blamed Catherine for not giving him the son(s) (for their sons being stillborn or dieing very very young). He was over the moon when Bessie Blount gave birth to a healthy son. It soothed his bruised male ego and proved to all people that there was nothing wrong with him and he could successfully father healthy children to secure the succession.

Yes; there was also the paranoid worry that God was displeased with him and nothing apparently sent Henry scurrying around in fear than the idea that God wasn't approving of anything he did or didn't approve of Harry in general.

Henry's disease that he passed on to his wives is what caused the stillborn and miscarriages so once again it was Henry's fault.
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« Reply #61 on: June 29, 2013, 04:34:14 pm »

Are you sure it was syphilis?  I've read that none of his medical records included anything about symptoms or treatments related to syphilis, like with mercury.
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« Reply #62 on: June 29, 2013, 05:21:23 pm »

^ There is a theory, based on medical evidence, that Henry was a carrier of syphilis as although such as Anne Boleyn became pregnant she had miscarriages and Edward was a sickly prince who died early and the common reason for that was syphilis. If you look back at Victorian/Edwardian death certificates of children and its says "failed to thrive" it was a euphemism for the effects of syphilis.

They could have kept it quiet after all the all powerful King of England couldn't be seen as anything other than perfect. That's just my suggestion.



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« Reply #63 on: June 29, 2013, 05:30:54 pm »


Berlin, I quoted this message from the 1st page of this thread about Henry and his blood disorder. Maybe it'll clarify things somehow...
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« Reply #64 on: February 20, 2014, 02:06:39 am »

Preview of ‘Henry and Anne: The Lovers Who Changed History’

In the new Channel 5 series Henry and Anne: The Lovers Who Changed History historian Dr Suzannah Lipscomb delves into the world of possibly the most fascinating and contested royal relationship that our monarchy has ever seen – this being the courtship of Henry VIII and Anne Boleyn.


In this two-part series, Dr Lipscomb will explore how this King fell so fiercely in love with a lady at court, and how this led to him going to such drastic extents to marry her. We are all too aware of the events that came about from this romance, including Henry VIII breaking with the Roman Catholic Church and the papacy, becoming the Head of the Church of England, and divorcing his devoted wife of around twenty years, Catherine of Aragon. However, in this series, Suzannah will investigate the background of these events in an attempt to unpick what political and personal reasons could have led Henry into consequently changing history forever. The question is, was it simply love, sheer devotion and infatuation between Henry and Anne which influenced the events leading to their marriage? Or are there more underlining factors that we have not yet considered? And, for such a notably impatient King, what made Henry drive towards these changes for so many years?


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The first episode of this series will be broadcast on Channel 5 at 8pm on Thursday 20th February, and will be repeated on Channel 5+24 on Friday 21st February at 8pm
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http://www.royalcentral.co.uk/royaltyinthemedia/preview-of-henry-and-anne-the-lovers-who-changed-history-23747
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« Reply #65 on: February 20, 2014, 02:54:41 am »

TB was what did Edward in  - Tuberculosis was the "Tudor Disease" - Henry's older brother died of it too. 
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« Reply #66 on: December 24, 2016, 08:24:05 pm »

In 1541 King Henry VIII had a law introduced which banned all sports on Christmas Day except archery.     
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« Reply #67 on: August 26, 2017, 02:18:18 am »

King Henry VIII maintained a strong preference for the traditional Catholic ways during his reign. Few changes could be made to the practices of the Church of England.
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« Reply #68 on: October 24, 2017, 12:39:08 am »

If Queen Catherine of Aragon's son/sons had lived well into adulthood and Henry VIII had not divorced, would the Anglican Church of England have ever been formed? Henry VIII and Catherine were both Roman Catholics.
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« Reply #69 on: December 10, 2017, 07:21:29 am »

I don't think so. Henry VIII and Catherine of Aragon were both committed to their faith. Henry was instructed in the faith, as he was the second son and was going to be dedicated to the Church. Catherine was from a Spanish Catholic family. They were from different countries, but their faith was something they had in common and they bonded over it. Henry broke from the Catholic Church so he could get a divorce in hope of getting a legitimate male heir. He slept around during their marriage (not a nice thing to do, but understandable considering the pain of the loss of those five babies and also it was "normal" for a king to have mistresses), but it was only after Catherine stopped having her monthly cycles that he was thinking about a divorce.
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« Reply #70 on: December 10, 2017, 09:03:11 pm »

Well, he did sleep around a lot. I've been taught that he created the Church of England so he could get a divorce, after the Pope refused to anull his marriage with Catalina de Aragón. I guess he was desperate for a male heir which is funny, because at university we've been taught that he likely suffered from syphilis and that's probably why only 3 children survived to adulthood.

Henry exhibited lots symptoms of syphillis. I know there's no mention to treatment with mercury, but it's not as if that would actually cure the illness, until antibiotics were discovered there was no way of effectively treating syphilis. Obviously there's no way to prove if he actually suffered from it so  dontknow dontknow His wive's miscarriages and even his son's reportedly sickly health also could be explained by an hereditary form of the disease. It's known that Elizabeth I was born with crescent lunar shaped teeth, also a telling sign. Mood swings (sometimes even madness) could easily be syphilis in it's terciary form and I seem to recall that both him and Elizabeth I suffered from it late in life.
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« Reply #71 on: December 10, 2017, 11:36:33 pm »

I never knew that. Amazing the knowledge possessed by fellow posters.

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« Reply #72 on: January 18, 2018, 09:59:06 pm »

After King Henry VIII divorced his wife Catherine Howard, Anne of Cleves wanted to remarry Henry.
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« Reply #73 on: January 19, 2018, 04:03:16 am »

Anne of Cleves was a foreign (present-day Germany) noblewoman. She probably didn't know much about Henry VIII before she married him. The marriage was for an alliance, not for love, and as never even consummated.
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« Reply #74 on: January 27, 2018, 12:36:56 am »

Queen Catherine of Aragon wore a hair shirt under her gowns, in the manner of an ascetic or saint.
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« Reply #75 on: January 27, 2018, 05:40:02 am »

Poor woman was trying to make sacrifices for her husband's reversion to the faith. Princess ("Lady") Mary was treated horribly which resulted in what was likely mental illness during her reign, and Queen Catherine died alone, away from her daughter whom she hadn't seen in years.
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« Reply #76 on: January 27, 2018, 09:42:44 pm »

Exactly how many years was it that Queen Catherine did not see Princess Mary? Were Mary and Catherine able to write to each other?   
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« Reply #77 on: January 28, 2018, 01:41:10 am »

Catherine was sent away in the Winter of 1531/1532 and passed away on 7 Jan 1536 (4 years later). Not sure how long it had been since they'd last seen each other before Catherine was sent away. No, Catherine and Mary weren't allowed to write, as Henry was afraid they'd conspire against him.
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« Reply #78 on: February 17, 2018, 10:42:14 pm »

Did Henry VIII marry Catherine of Aragon to give him a Spanish alliance against France?
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« Reply #79 on: February 18, 2018, 09:00:07 pm »

I think it was partially to keep the dowry and partially because he fell in love with her, as she was a beautiful young woman. Regarding alliances, they were against France at one point, but then at another point they were going to marry Princess Mary to the dauphin. Lots of back and forth conflicts.
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