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« Reply #20 on: May 16, 2013, 01:41:35 am »

Andrew probably ask Catherine because he had been drinking and had just attended a very public and happy wedding. I don't think he was serious about her.
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« Reply #21 on: May 16, 2013, 03:27:04 am »

Interesting ? I am scared to ask ? if swapping comes into I am going to give up on the whole RF

Not swapping but, Charles and APB bedded Cammie, APB was supposedly Anne's first lover.  Embarrassed
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« Reply #22 on: May 16, 2013, 02:12:41 pm »

Maybe Catherine didn't want to end up in that mess of a family; the Brits are so insular that a foreign princess would have ended up being only one of two things:

A) A sensation and because she looked so much like Diana, it would have ended up being the most glamorous and classy duo on the map

B) She would have been a constant target in the press and ended up being chronically compared to Diana
The BRF is also a family that treats 'outsiders' with disdain and ended up being a miserable person, treated as an outsider by a family that should have welcomed her.

I agree.
It's too bad it wasn't acted on as a more serious matter. She could have been good for Andrew perhaps, in the long run, if sparks flew between them, but alas they didn't.
Still I've always wondered what might have happened if she and Andrew ended up together?  huh

Sarah was an ok choice for Andrew's personality on several levels, but a bad choice for the role.

Steve Wyatt who Sarah was seen on vacation, was said to have had a mother(these are my words in how to describe her at that time)  similar in some ways at the time to a "Carole Middleton, in wanting to attain a link to royalty, because of her lack of pedigree and desire to break into blueblood society" I've read that Steve Wyatt was totally using Sarah, he was a climber(His mother Lynn Wyatt a Texas-NY Sociallite who married Big Texas oil money(worked her way into some aspects of NY society, but not all. It was said she was pushing her son Steve Wyatt on the Duchess of York connection, because getting in with royalty, even married-in Sarah in the 1980's while married to the Duke of York, the Queen's son, would elevate the Wyatt's pedigree(She and her son Steve thought). They had tons of money, but no social-pedigree background, which counted with blueblood society and East Coast -Society Bluebloods, although allowing her to attend their lavish affairs, because of her big moneyed donations, still considered her not one of them.) She had friendly connections to the Reagans, and had befriended lower level British and European aristos who would come to the U.S. to party, socialize in Palm Beach, NY,  various cities, but she was seen mostly as someone they'd call as a party-maven who knew the rounds, to the lavish tents and she was entertaining.)

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Lynn Wyatt's staying power as reigning socialite is due largely to her ability to create an image that evokes both old and new money. She didn't come from enormous wealth—but she got a boost from the self-made oil and gas fortune of her husband, Oscar.
Houston's wealthiest residents, River Oaks, as opposed to, say, Philadelphia's Main Line or Manhattan's Upper East Side, tends to be more welcoming, less obsessed with pedigree...
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The Sarah and Steve Wyatt affair.... spy
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,............................. the Duchess had been under the surveillance of MI5 whilst in the UK and MI6 when abroad since 1990 when Fergie took one of her lovers on holiday to Morocco. Steve Wyatt became the object of Fergie’s ‘love’ since November 1989 when they met at a function in Houston.
 
But by taking him on holiday with the grandchildren of the Monarch was a step too far. Wyatt even took an apartment in London close to the Palace where in the afternoons; evenings Wyatt could satisfy Fergie’s insatiable sexual appetite.
The problem was that for Fergie it was not ‘just another fling.’ She fell in love and thus wanted to be with Wyatt all the time. She cared little for her husband, the Monarchy and the regard her two daughters would hold for her in due course. Sex for her and being with the man she cared or thought she cared for was paramount.

Alarm bells rang in 1991 when Wyatt escorted Fergie to a private London dinner to which he had actually not been invited. He sat down next to her without a care in the world and with the arrogance that he was known saying, “Mah woman and I sit together.”
Those words echoed the corridors of Buckingham Palace within hours and within minutes made their way to the ears of MI5. The guests and host were flabbergasted at the words used by Wyatt but more so because the Duchess did not seem to mind.
 
During the summer and autumn of 1991 Fergie continued to have a number of affairs but it was clear she was in love with Wyatt. The Queen sought advice from Sir Robert Fellowes asking him to “have a word” with Fergie. A meeting took place and Fellowes tried in vain to make Fergie understand that what she was doing was unwise and worse if the media found out “they would have a field day.”
 
MI5 continued their surveillance of Fergie with the sole mandate regarding the Queen’s grandchildren and their safety. Sir Robert Fellowes met with Sarah a second time spelling out that surveillance carried out contained proof of her “serial adultery” and to quit the affair with Wyatt forthwith. Sarah had been summoned to see Fellowes frequently over one story or another in the press so she was used to his scolding.
 
But this was different. Fellowes ordered her to stop seeing Wyatt and further to “cease and desist from selling stories to newspapers.”

She told Fellowes “If I can’t lead my life without you telling me what to do then I’ll go my own way. I’m fed up being told what I can and can’t do.”
 
It was time for MI6 to take a hand. Steve Wyatt was a 6'2", blue-eyed and a consultant to several U.S. oil companies. Those oil companies had dependencies to the world market for their product. An MI6 officer spoke to Wyatt and made it clear that unless he “packed his bags and left England and Sarah F for good all the skeletons in his family’s cupboards would tumble and any company he held an association with would have a closed door in England and Commonwealth Countries.”


Wyatt may have been new to royal circles, but his family was no stranger to England's tabloid press he was reminded by the MI6 officer.

Some years after Steve's mother, Lynn, divorced his father, New York City Realtor Robert Lipman, Lipman killed a woman in London—in 1968 he strangled 18-year-old Chelsea barmaid Claudie Delphine Delbarre. The self-confessed alcoholic and drug addict claimed that he was on "an LSD trip from hell" at the time and had no memory of the crime. Found guilty of manslaughter, he served six years in prison. Wyatt—who was legally adopted along with his younger brother, Douglas, by Lynn's second husband, natural-gas multimillionaire Oscar Wyatt, in 1963—had in the past maintained that his real father was killed by a train in Austria. But his fate remains mysterious. A Texas newspaper report says that the 6'6" Lipman committed suicide in prison, but the MI6 officer told Wyatt that Lipman was still alive.
 
Information is the power of the Security Services and it worked.
 

For, what then seemed to be no apparent reason Wyatt told Sarah that he was leaving London and returning to America where his father wanted him to run his family business.
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« Reply #23 on: May 16, 2013, 03:24:20 pm »

I have seen videos of Andrew & Sarah before they married and they were in love.  They still care for each other now. I think Sarah just wanted to be released from royal protocol and enjoy life for awhile.
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« Reply #24 on: May 16, 2013, 04:18:30 pm »

She was completely unsuitable. She was used to a life of flitting between jobs, skiing and sleeping around. Suddenly she was supposed to be this role model who worked hard and was faithful. It was completely against her nature.

On the other hand, Andrew was also a very selfish man set in his ways.

It was never going to work out. The problem was that in the beginning, Fergie was seen as a good egg, who would ride horses and be a good laugh. While she does have that side to her personality, she is also easily swayed by flattery and totally believed her press. She became rude and demanding, but then she had a good example set to her by Andrew who is notoriously arrogant and dismissive of people.

It's clear that they get on well and I am sure they have had their romantic moments since the divorce. However, they are never going to stop seeing other people so it is probably for the best that they remain as they are.
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« Reply #25 on: May 16, 2013, 07:14:20 pm »

I have seen videos of Andrew & Sarah before they married and they were in love.  They still care for each other now. I think Sarah just wanted to be released from royal protocol and enjoy life for awhile.

Fergie had enjoyed life plenty before she married Andrew.

According to all accounts, Fergie had enjoyed a knockabout life in ski resorts, living in the Aussie outback, traveling to Brazil, no small circle for her.

It's not like she's someone who apparently lived a convent life or one like Diana, who mainly hung around Sloane Square and went on occasional trips.
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« Reply #26 on: May 16, 2013, 09:54:16 pm »

My thoughts exactly. Sarah had been on her own since her mother probably, and was no innocent about life.
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« Reply #27 on: May 16, 2013, 10:52:45 pm »

It always boggles my mind that Sarah blew it so horribly. Out of the two (Diana and Sarah) Sarah had the better deal IMO,.She had a Prince, who loved her and seemed to understand and accept her. He was also extremely handsome. I'll never uderstand why she went jumping around looking for other men.  All she had to do was behave and wait for her Prince to return.
 Did Sarah figure that the Palace would just look the other way, because Andrew wasn't raising a ruckus?

When I see photos of her with Andrew and the Princesses, it seems like she wants back in, yet when she was "in" the marriage and Royal Family, she failed miserably (and also claimed how miserable it was)

Why hasn't she moved on? I hear that the billionaire in Norway really wanted Sarah, but after awhile she went running back to Andrew (safe haven) That is why I always think there might be a chance these two get back together again.
For some reason, she hasn't really moved on and neither has he. Everytime he seemed to get close to having a actual serious girlfriend, it seemed Sarah would fly back in or let the press know that she was still living with Andrew (and no woman is going to want to waste time IMO if she's still truly living with Andrew.)  blink
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« Reply #28 on: May 16, 2013, 11:50:04 pm »

Of course Sarah had an adventurous life and royal protocol would never be sufficient for that type of personality. I don't think she regrets not being under the palaces control anymore. She has basically gotten her cake and eat it too. She does not have to listen to the palace and she is still with Andrew and living the good life.

@Kuei Fei    I did not say Sarah lived a Nun's life before marriage, I said Andrew & Sarah were in love when they married.
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« Reply #29 on: May 17, 2013, 12:36:46 am »

^I wonder how much she loved him, if she couldn't avoid running around with other men. She had a full life and range of experiences with men and should have been satisfied with Andrew and should have ended up being a happily married wife and mother. She should have known that Andrew was 'the one' and been faithful.

So realistically, she did have her chance and did blow it.

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Why hasn't she moved on? I hear that the billionaire in Norway really wanted Sarah

Because she would lose her courtesy title and her palace access and she would be a pariah, a complete pariah, in Britain.

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For some reason, she hasn't really moved on and neither has he.

Because Andrew won't make her move out on her own and live her own life; he won't just throw her out and make her find her own place to live and enable himself to make a new life of his own moving forward. It's not like he is standing up for himself and his own self respect.

Even Diana couldn't use the Buckingham Palace pool after her divorce, but Sarah got to live on at Royal Lodge.

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Everytime he seemed to get close to having a actual serious girlfriend, it seemed Sarah would fly back in or let the press know that she was still living with Andrew (

Interesting; too bad Andrew won't give some nice decent woman a chance with him. Sarah will never let him move on in life, wish he saw that.
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« Reply #30 on: May 17, 2013, 01:07:36 am »

Andrew has Sarah around because he wants her there. Just because one is in love doesn't mean that they turn into a 50's housewife. There are all types of different marriages because there are different individuals involved. If Andrew wanted Sarah gone out of his life he could make it happen but since he chooses not to even after his daughters are grown it says a lot about what he & Sarah have together.
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« Reply #31 on: May 17, 2013, 08:37:22 am »

I think Andrew keeps her close to control her ...she mistakes that for "love" if you ask me ...they have the relationship Willy and Kate will have after the divorce  eating cookies.
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« Reply #32 on: May 17, 2013, 12:38:33 pm »

Well if Andrew is controlling Sarah then the mistakes she makes are his fault so why all the hatred for Sarah.

Sarah is uncontrollable which is one of her problems. Andrew keeps her there because that is where he wants her.
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« Reply #33 on: July 27, 2013, 09:51:56 pm »

I think chances are pretty good that Sarah is bi-polar. 

Her high risk behavior, the over spending, etc...

She's an intelligent woman who should have learned from her mistakes years ago.  Instead she continues to screw up.

Andrew keeps her around bc he pitys her and to keep her out of trouble.

He's not in love with her, she's a burden he must bear.  It's better for the girls if Sarah is under his roof.   

The alternative, especially when they were younger would have been horrible.  God only knows what she would have exposed them to. 

I think those girls having been playing mother to Fergie for a very long time.  It's probably one of the reasons they are so responsible and sweet. 





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« Reply #34 on: July 27, 2013, 09:53:36 pm »

^I think he kept her in his house because it was the only way to have access to his kids.
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« Reply #35 on: July 27, 2013, 10:45:25 pm »

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You could be right, especially after the underage girl scandal...

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« Reply #36 on: July 27, 2013, 10:51:00 pm »

Windsor men really know how to pick 'em, don't they?
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« Reply #37 on: July 27, 2013, 10:54:58 pm »

The kids were already in uni when the underage girl scandal
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« Reply #38 on: July 27, 2013, 11:03:36 pm »

I think chances are pretty good that Sarah is bi-polar. 

Her high risk behavior, the over spending, etc...

She's an intelligent woman who should have learned from her mistakes years ago.  Instead she continues to screw up.

Andrew keeps her around bc he pitys her and to keep her out of trouble.

He's not in love with her, she's a burden he must bear.  It's better for the girls if Sarah is under his roof.   

The alternative, especially when they were younger would have been horrible.  God only knows what she would have exposed them to. 

I think those girls having been playing mother to Fergie for a very long time.  It's probably one of the reasons they are so responsible and sweet. 






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« Reply #39 on: July 28, 2013, 02:32:19 pm »

Will someone please tell me about the underage girl scandal?
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