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« Reply #20 on: July 03, 2013, 04:01:36 am »

Cost? She does not look like she's struggling and there is no doubt she has a mountain of cash stacked miles high and if she filled her stomach with her money, she would be a blimp of a woman. There is no way that she is spending any of the money if she's asking for a heating benefit.
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« Reply #21 on: July 03, 2013, 09:17:27 am »

Civil List doesn't exist anymore. It has been replaced with a payment the equivalent of 15% of the income of the Crown Estates with the other 85% going to the Treasury to run the country.

The money she does get from the Crown Estates - now called the Soveriegn's Grant - is to pay the expenses of the Head of State such as for State Visits, official engagements including investitures and garden parties, and the maintenance of the state owned royal palaces. It isn't for her personal expenses.

The Duchy of Lancaster was set up centuries ago to give the monarch a private income as the Crown Estates income was to run the government and then George III decided to hand over the vast majority of the Crown Estates income to the government with the understanding that the government would also pay for the official duties - which happens in every country - Heads of State have their official duties funded by the country of which they are Head of State - why should Britain be any different?

The current Soveriegn Grant - to cover all expenses in 38 million pounds - in 2000 - 1 to cover the same amount of things The Queen received 35 million pounds - so she is 3 million pounds a year more than she was getting 13 years ago. Hardly keeping up with the costs of things.
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« Reply #22 on: July 03, 2013, 10:23:38 am »

^ LOL and the Queen's income from the Duchy of Lancaster has been shooting ahead in the last 13 years and is now a handsome £12 million plus a year - a very nice little earner which she uses to pay members of her family dropped off the former Civil List and for the upkeep of her private estates at Balmoral and Sandringham along with her racehorses etc.

Just an extra thought in that the work being undertaken at Amner Hall for W&K will probably be financed from this source so they have a double whammy from the two Duchies.
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« Reply #23 on: July 03, 2013, 07:16:51 pm »

^ Some are blowing things out of proportion just for the sake of having a go at Liz !!!   bored3
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« Reply #24 on: July 03, 2013, 10:17:10 pm »

^ Jane these are facts. I do wish you would do some in depth research before wading in with such daft accusations of "having a go at Liz". HM is in the public eye and in receipt of eye-watering amounts of money which most folks can't even dream of. She is open to criticism.
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« Reply #25 on: July 29, 2013, 01:48:11 pm »

A bit off on topic but connected to the Duchy

How many palaces do the RF have ?
BP
KP
Windsor
Balmoral plus houses on estate
Sandringham plus houses

Did I miss any ?
They run at about £20 - £30 million a year
yes they cost this, staff, repairs, running, furniture,cars,pensions for staff, PR and senior staff, food, gifts, holidays etc
carpet would cost over £1 million for one palace
and state dinners need a turn over of stemware,crockery,silverware etc . I would not be surprised if more

What does she get from Duchy of Lancaster  £12 million
from govt civil, costs etc £32 +  £30 million say
so combined 70 - 80 million

5 house multiply by £30 million =  £150

WHO is funding the difference of £70 give or take
Who are bankrolling the shortfall ?
 Who has this ?
Who benefits ?

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« Reply #26 on: July 29, 2013, 03:47:24 pm »

A bit off on topic but connected to the Duchy

How many palaces do the RF have ?
BP
KP
Windsor
Balmoral plus houses on estate
Sandringham plus houses

Did I miss any ?
They run at about £20 - £30 million a year
yes they cost this, staff, repairs, running, furniture,cars,pensions for staff, PR and senior staff, food, gifts, holidays etc
carpet would cost over £1 million for one palace
and state dinners need a turn over of stemware,crockery,silverware etc . I would not be surprised if more

What does she get from Duchy of Lancaster  £12 million
from govt civil, costs etc £32 +  £30 million say
so combined 70 - 80 million

5 house multiply by £30 million =  £150

WHO is funding the difference of £70 give or take
Who are bankrolling the shortfall ?
 Who has this ?
Who benefits ?




Gee whizz, so much needed to run this outfit and such a big shortfall.  She must have some huge backers lurking around somewhere, impossible to keep that lot going otherwise.  Hmmmm, lots of food for thought here, wonder who it could be.  Google here I come.
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« Reply #27 on: June 17, 2015, 04:15:14 am »

Interesting
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« Reply #28 on: July 05, 2015, 06:02:33 am »

The more they have, the more they want = Greed..Usually they're pros at fixing the books, & probably have 2 sets of books.
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« Reply #29 on: July 05, 2015, 09:35:33 am »


consider that they close the houses at several times during the year - so no staff and other expenses for the full 12 months


and at Balmoral they open the place to the public for part of the year so they have income from that


but still - lots of money!


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« Reply #30 on: July 05, 2015, 02:09:56 pm »

I don't think any of the houses is actually closed during the year.

BP - is occupied by staff and royals year round and the State Apartments are open when The Queen is at Balmoral but the office staff etc are still working and, in many cases living there.

Windsor is the same as BP but the State Apartments are open for longer and only closed on days when they will be in use.

Holyroodhouse is open to the public almost year round, except when The Queen or other senior royals are in residence.

Sandringham House is open to the public for most of the year except for a weekend when Charles hosts a weekend party there and over the Queen's Christmas/New Year break.

Balmoral is the same as Sandringham except the timing is different when it is closed to the public.

Sandringham grounds are open year round and for most days people can access St Mary Magdalene's and the park and paddocks around the church.


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« Reply #31 on: July 22, 2017, 02:33:32 pm »

Interesting piece re Betty's income from the Duchy of Lancaster - utterly outrageous amounts involved. If you click on the link in the story to the Duchy of Cornwall accounts to shows that Charles gave £3 plus million to Bill Midds and Harry in 2017. I seriously cannot see either duchy surviving after the Queen goes. Extravagance beyond comprehension.

I doubt either W or H have ever even dipped into the millions left by Diana. State sponsored millionaires.

https://amp.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2017/jul/19/queen-spend-mushrooming-pay-revenue-estate
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« Reply #32 on: July 22, 2017, 07:44:23 pm »

Way too expensive, something needs to be done about this.
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« Reply #33 on: July 27, 2017, 05:07:18 am »

All this and they still can't pay their staff good money and apparently haven't been able to pay for restorations for BP or at least maintenance. As for the usual arguments about the government being supposedly responsible for it, either way, the BRF could easily have maintained it. WHERE is that money going?
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« Reply #34 on: July 27, 2017, 06:17:34 am »

The money is accounted for.

The Sovereign Grant pays for the work of The Queen and the maintenance of the palaces along with the staff salaries for her official office staff e.g. her private secretaries but not her personal dresser. Those who clean the palaces but not those who work permanently at Sandringham or Balmoral.

The figures from 1997 show that the maintenance bill then was in the millions of pounds annually with some being set aside for a major refit at some point in the future but as the 1997 figure didn't go up for over 15 years it didn't cover the basic maintenance and so the contingency fund had to be used and now a major cost will be needed.

The Duke of Edinburgh receives an additional fund of around half a million pounds for his solo work (which will now be cut right back as he retires).

The Duchies provide the money for the private lives - so covers day to day running costs in the private homes, the staff salaries, maintenance of these homes (Sandringham, Anmer, Balmoral, Birkhall and Highgrove) - of the royals as well as the official expenses of everyone other than The Queen and Philip.

George III gave the government the income of the Crown Estates and took back a small percentage in the form of the Civil List to cover his expenses while the government agreed to pay for the maintenance of the occupied palaces and many other expenses that had been the responsibility of the monarch. That is why the government has to fund the maintenance of the palaces - it was part of the agreement when the income of the Crown Estates is handed to the government. The Queen gets back 15% now for her expenses and to cover the maintenance of the palaces while the government gets the remaining 85%.

The Duchies were separated in the Middle Ages to provide a private income for the monarch and the heir to ensure that the money was going to the right purposes xxxx for government expenses, yyyy for the monarch's private expenses and zzz for the heir's public and private expenses.

All three sources of income are audited annually and the accounts presented to parliament who do scrutinise them. Unless you wish to accuse the politicians of both persuasions over many decades of collusion there is no questions about where the money is going - it is going on the official expenses of the family and the maintenance of the palaces - but that money for the maintenance of the palaces didn't keep up with inflation from 1997 - 2012 and hence there was no contingency fund for major repairs. This is the same thing that happened with the Palace of Westminster - the contingency fund for a major refurbishment was used for regular maintenance and not the bill is in the billions of pounds when if Tony Blair hadn't frozen the payments at 1997 levels there would be sizeable moneys available and basic maintenance would have been able to be done rather than having to choose - do we fix that part of the roof or that part over there where stones have fallen off???

The government has to pay as that was the agreement made - and that is a legally binding agreement.

The accounts are published every year when presented to parliament with every penny accounted for and none gone missing.

Interesting figures from 2014:

http://royalcentral.co.uk/blogs/insight/think-a-republic-would-be-cheaper-than-monarchy-think-again-40065

The Queen cost - 37.5 million pounds
The President of France cost - 91 million pounds
The President of Italy - 181 million pounds

These presidents - like the Queen - are largely ceremonial not executive.
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