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« on: December 14, 2010, 02:27:24 am »

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20101214/ap_on_go_ca_st_pe/us_obit_holbrooke

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« Reply #1 on: December 14, 2010, 03:54:21 pm »

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« Reply #2 on: December 14, 2010, 04:01:20 pm »

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« Reply #3 on: December 14, 2010, 04:25:03 pm »

What a loss for we in the us.  RIP.
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« Reply #4 on: December 15, 2010, 01:46:48 am »

May he RIP.

His was acknowledged for his work beyond his colleagues and country.  No wonder why all media here have talked about him.
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« Reply #5 on: November 23, 2012, 10:02:31 pm »

So...
After I merged all the US election and other politically related topic's together in one topic I saw that it was big enough to start with a Part II. easter-lol

So any news on Yank politic's in here please.

To get you started again: the last article was about Obama flirting with the Thai PM.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2234978/President-Barack-Obama-schmoozes-Thai-PM-Yingluck-Shinawatra-stop-historic-Asia-visit.html?ICO=most_read_module

and then yooper started talking about
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Job losses/unemployment are going to be coming fast and furious.  So US Fiscal Cliff is a must, from where I sit anyway and may cover it all.  Not sure.  The financial status of the US is paramount to most Americans, but then Petraeus merges in with that in its own weird way as does Obamacare, which, according to this, is still on the table House Speaker John Boehner, R-Ohio, opened up another front in the fiscal cliff negotiations Wednesday when The Cincinnati Enquirer published an op-ed by him calling for Obamacare to be included in debt deal talks. From Boehner’s op-ed:

The president’s health care law adds a massive, expensive, unworkable government program at a time when our national debt already exceeds the size of our country’s entire economy. We can’t afford it, and we can’t afford to leave it intact. That’s why I’ve been clear that the law has to stay on the table as both parties discuss ways to solve our nation’s massive debt challenge..

Anybody else have any thoughts how to keep this streamlined? 

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« Reply #6 on: November 25, 2012, 06:00:20 pm »

http://now.msn.com/secession-petition-signers-should-be-deported-say-counter-protesters

Counter-secessioners.

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Look out — the petition wars are on! After people in more than 20 states submitted petitions asking to secede from the union in the wake of the election, the other side has hit back with a seemingly tongue-in-cheek response of, "if you don't like it, leave." On Monday, someone called "Douglas H." of Escondido, Calif., filed a petition against the secessionist movement at the White House website, asking that everyone who signed the petitions be "peacefully deported." The deportation initiative has gone rabidly viral too, with amused Twitter users taunting, jeering, and signing away. It's like 1861 all over again around here.

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WTF is that? Nothing should happen to them. They are just expressing their dissatisfaction with the government.
This just shows how some badly written internet posts, articles or suggestions can inflame thousands who don't stop to think it through.

The government can't seem to find the time and/or resources, nor do they seem to have any inclination, to deport all the illegals in this country. When are they going to find the time and where are they going to find the resources to deport anyone else?

Well, first of all anyone who calls someone else a retard just disqualified themselves. Have anyone commenting here EVEN READ one of the states proclamations, such as the one of Texas?
 
They are NOT stating they do not want to be a part of the U.S. they are "in fact" saying they want the Federal Government to stop intruding upon the rights of the states concerning "internal" matters.
They actually proclaim they love the nation, just do not appreciate the "over reaching" of the FED.
Please take some time and exercise your right to be informed.

Interesting. But not unexpected. Rather than secession from the union, your very best revenge is to buy nothing other than what you require. And invest all money outside the U.S. Take every tax loophole.
 
In fact, moving outside the U.S. isn't such a bad idea at all. Deporting oneself to a duty free port of call could be quite nice; an exciting adventure. I've got my eye on a couple.
 
The whole point is to deny your cash to the government by any and every legal means possible.

When Obamacare hits this country we are going to fire 20% of our staff, stop contributing any matching 401(k) and raise our prices.  Despite what our Socialist president tries to do, we will fight him every step of the way.

I've traveled a lot, both for business and recreation. Hong Kong and Singapore are both duty free and, generally speaking, lovely places to live.
 
Many U.S. Citizens have already made their break. So, will the last wage earner please turn out the lights as they leave? The bums won't be able to afford the electricity, and there'll be nobody with brains enough to service the technology, in any case.

IMHO, each of the petitions should be considered justified.  They're people venting their frustrations and it's understandable from both sides.  How I feel about it one way or another isn't the point, but the bigger issue is that there is a real divide in this country that concerns me deeply.  I've lost count of the number of people who have told me they are protecting every asset they have by doing anything the law allows, so the bigger question is, just who, when the dust settles is going to pay for all of these big plans?

This New Year's Eve I may have an enormous opportunity to meet the Mayor of Chicago. This is all tied up in the job offer that will be hammered out while I'm there visiting my son (yay!).  Now, I know the Americans know him better as Obama's ex-Chief of Staff Rahm Emanuel, who resigned over conflicts with O regarding the health care initiative and other managerial styles.  But, if I get the chance, I really have a couple of questions for that man.
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« Reply #7 on: November 25, 2012, 07:02:59 pm »

To me, a huge mess is how the entire politicos think that life is one big party and they should still enjoy while the people before them pay out of their retirement and the ones coming after them should pay out of their taxes and then sacrifice their future. I mean, what happens as the party ends, as we know it must.
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« Reply #8 on: November 25, 2012, 08:21:01 pm »

Rahm Emanuel resigned so he could run for Mayor of Chicago.   eating cookies

If they don't want to be part of the USA then they also don't wish to be Americans anymore. The divide is not as great as is being portrayed. There are some having temper tantrums because Obama won and then there are some who are making fum of them. Then there is the rest of the USA just continuing to take care of their daily lives.

I suggest deporting all the anti-Americans who want succession to Antarctica then they can set up the dictatorship that they seem to want.   tehe
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« Reply #9 on: November 26, 2012, 06:37:54 am »

Well, if you look a little deeper, Rahm's resignation was over a lot of issues and old news

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In his new book on President Obama's first year in office, "The Promise," Jonathan Alter includes a quote from the president's chief of staff, Rahm Emanuel, illustrating just how opposed Emanuel was to the president's push for comprehensive health care reform.

"I begged him not to do this," Emanuel told Alter, as detailed by the Washington Post's Greg Sargent, writing off advanced excerpts put out ahead of the book's release Tuesday. (Hotsheet just got its copy of the book and is planning to dig into it this weekend.)

http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-503544_162-20005041-503544.html

, so, if given the chance, I think I'll get his take on it (yeah, like he'll tell me, but I can try!).  There were differences over MO, he issued caution, he played the bad cop, and, let's face it.  Who, in their right mind, career-wise, would choose the mayorship of Chicago over Chief of Staff of the President of the United States?   

For me, I don't see these people as being anti-American.  They may seem misguided to some, but to add to the judgment does a great disservice and, in my opinion, is more anti-American.  We either believe in freedom of speech and the rights of the individual and respect that or we're part of the problem.  We The People is a legitimate site put up so that people can voice their concerns.  And, if people took the time to actually read these petitions, they'd see that it is a conflict, not of hating America, but where it is heading. 

^^That's unfortunately true for me as well.  The gravy train is derailing.  Even if you took every dime of every billionaire in the US, you would stop the deficit for one year (and destroy business and increase unemployment).  Then what do you do next year?  Even the taxing of $250K+ is a drop in the bucket. 

Spending controls have got to be part of the package in these negotiations that seem to be more about everybody's looking after their own hide and it feels as though very few are looking after the Average Joe.  I think that's where the frustration lies.  And it's not just Republicans signing these petitions.  Small business owners make up the largest group.  It's like Walmarting a small town only on a much larger scale, to me.
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« Reply #10 on: November 26, 2012, 12:04:21 pm »

Wanting to secede from the USA has nothing to do with Free Speech and it has everything to do with the Black man getting reelected. They have been expressing the same type of voices for the last four years.

Freedom of Speech is not about giving up and quitting. If they have so many concerns they should be speaking to their Representatives in the State and Federal Legislators. I am never going to say "Yes it is alright to quit and give up" which in my mind is what these people are doing. Where would the USA be if their Ancestors had said "Well times are hard so we should just Quit"?

Obama is going to let the Bush tax cuts expire back to where they were under Clinton. The economy was better under Clinton's tax cuts.

I think a person making a quarter of a million dollars a year is not really going to starve if their taxes go up a little and if it does then they are living way beyond their means.

Everyone should be willing to make some sacrifices for the improvement of the USA not just the poor and middle class but the wealthy as well, we are all in this together after all. Or should the wealthy be the only ones who get a break because they own the representatives in the government?

Rahm Emanuel said his dream had always been to be Mayor of Chicago so the odds are that is why he resigned when he saw his chance to fulfill a dream.
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« Reply #11 on: November 26, 2012, 05:18:11 pm »

How many more sacrfiices can be possibly made?

If you are talking about celebs, I'm all for it. But weathly business tycoons are in fact workers who work 24/7 to build, operate, and maintain a business. The responsible in this country have sacrificed enough and should not be expected to sacrifice any more. Let the celebs pay up, THEY are the ones with easy jobs.

Or tax welfare; a little each month won't hurt.

This isn't about oppression or taxation, the country is in the same mess as pre-revolutionary France. We can't just walk away from this mess, but on the other hand, few are willing to make the sacrifices. Those being asked are the ones who have sacrificed enough already and it's not leaking, it's dumping out.

People who work hard should not sacrifice for those who don't.
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« Reply #12 on: November 26, 2012, 05:56:44 pm »

It's the short-term thinking that amazes me.  If you tax those that create the economic flow all you get is smug satisfaction for a very short term.  I've yet to hear what rabbit is going to come out of an empty hat down the road.  I've sacrificed all that I can, unless the world wants me to stay within the entitlement group (I go on unemployment Jan 1).  If my tax dollars are needed, and they are, then it is prudent to allow me to eat and have a roof over my head at the same time.  It would also be prudent to support small business, which is the heart blood of this country, not burden it and cause more unemployment.  Until it hits your own home, nobody's going to get it.

Moving on. This is my headache tomorrow. Charitable donation/non-profits are scrambling and even though I am a short-timer now, all hands on deck to plead to Congress.

http://swampland.time.com/2012/11/26/fiscal-cliff-leaves-non-profits-on-edge/

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Charities are worried this may be the last season of giving.

As Congress grapples with tax reform and deficit reduction, lawmakers are looking at limiting some long-standing tax deductions, including the one for charitable giving, as a way to raise revenue.

President Obama already supports limiting the amount of tax-free giving Americans can do; his proposed 2013 budget would limit the value of all itemized deductions to 28% (from 35%) for families making $250,000 or more a year, or for individuals making $200,000 and up.

Steve Taylor, Vice President for Public Policy at United Way, worries that new limitations would hobble his organization, the largest charity in the country. According to Taylor, 15% of United Way’s $4 billion annual revenue comes from the top 1/3 of 1% of donors.

Because wealthy Americans would likely deduct their mortgage interest, state and local taxes, property taxes and health insurance premiums before making charitable gifts, organizations like United Way and JFNA could take a big hit. Some proposals would “virtually eliminate the charitable deduction for a certain class of people,” Taylor says.

Rev. Larry Snyder, President of Catholic Charities, says that there may be some hidden costs in taking away incentives to give. “If we have to cut back our services, then the government is just going to have more people at their door,” says Snyder. “It really is one of those things where you cut off your nose to spite your face.” Catholic Charities provides aid to more than 10 million Americans in poverty.
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On December 4 and 5, Charitable Giving Coalition, a group of hundreds of nonprofit leaders including United Way, JFNA and Catholic Charities will gather on Capitol Hill for “Protect Giving- D.C. Days” to try to persuade Congress to leave the charitable deduction untouched. And there are signs such a deal is possible.

Finger's crossed.  The Obama Administration would be making a very serious miscalculation if it does not keep its hands off of charitable deduction levels. 
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« Reply #13 on: November 26, 2012, 08:11:30 pm »

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Moving on. This is my headache tomorrow. Charitable donation/non-profits are scrambling and even though I am a short-timer now, all hands on deck to plead to Congress.


I all honesty, I am tired of seeing a lot of non-profits require major salaries for administrative workers. How much of a difference (a lot, but really, there should be some solid difference) can these charities make if they aren't more streamlined? They ask for more and more money, but where is it all going? Second, relying on the Congress is a joke since they apparently don't even know how to run a country. there should me more accountability.

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lawmakers are looking at limiting some long-standing tax deductions, including the one for charitable giving, as a way to raise revenue

Madness; lets tax charity contributions now. Are some of these lawmakers begging to be sent to hell? I wonder how all those rich Obama supporters feel now and second, now that he has his second term, now the dip is merrily going about his favorite hobby of destroying the rich.
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« Reply #14 on: November 26, 2012, 09:17:56 pm »

I have no sympathy for the wealthy business tycoon, my sympathies lie more with a single Mother who is forced to work for less than a living wage by those wealthy business tycoons.
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« Reply #15 on: November 26, 2012, 10:04:10 pm »

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/11/26/fox-news-interview-guest-network-wing-republican-party_n_2192506.html?utm_hp_ref=tw


So true so true.

There was a study done where they ask Americans current and political news questions and found out that the most uninformed people in the USA were the ones who watch Fox News.

Rupert Murdoch facts are not the same as real facts.   tehe
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« Reply #16 on: November 26, 2012, 10:29:30 pm »

What some don't seem to grasp is the fact that although the 1% of super rich may still reside in the US, that doesn't mean their money is!
and you can't milk what officially isn't there!
oh and messing with tax on donations is stupido, after all the donors aren't obliged to give up the dough to charity, they could just as well use the money to buy an house on the caymans!
but they want to give their money, via charity, to the ppl who are in need of it
not via taxes to the gov who might use it for something they don't agree with!
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« Reply #17 on: November 27, 2012, 12:58:24 am »

Since Churches are running more as a business instead of what their intended purpose is they should start being taxed also IMO.
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« Reply #18 on: November 27, 2012, 05:05:11 am »

Good grief.  Money, politics AND religion?  My brain can't compute that anymore today.

But, instead of picking on the non-profits (excluding churches for now) which are sometimes the last line of defense in people's lives, yes, even the homeless/low-wage earning mother with children, how about going after the tax-exempt status of political campaign contributions, which, in 2012 reached almost $6B?  You're not allowed to take a tax deduction on your contribution and the receivership doesn't pay a dime.  If the politicians are clever at avoiding the taxman, the American taxpayer should be as well.

^^It's funny how someone not from this country can understand this concept so simply but it is lost on so many in the noise of the USA.  You are correct, Akasha.  Wealth and money are two different things.  And, no, given the choice to give to a non-profit when your tax break is diminished vs keeping the money for your own use is a no brainer.  Why do you think I, and so many others in this biz, lost my job? 
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« Reply #19 on: November 27, 2012, 05:13:45 am »

Well when I make a donation and I make several I do it out of the goodness in my heart and not for the tax deductions I receive. Since the USA is supposed to be a Christian nation according to some then the charities should try that angle for a while. Who knows they may be able to guilt some into donating.

They will be closing all the gaps that allow people to keep money elsewhere in the world to avoid taxes.

They also need to stop giving corporate welfare. There are many places to get the monies needed but none of the politicians have the nerve to do what is necessary. They have always avoided going after their campaign contributors but how much can they really expect to get from a poor person.
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