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« Reply #60 on: April 05, 2012, 06:11:10 pm »

his family used to call him wombat.....and sometimes i think he is one Waste Of Money, Brains, And Time
 

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« Reply #61 on: April 05, 2012, 06:30:57 pm »

ohh nice one! spanishlover! easter-lol
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« Reply #62 on: May 28, 2012, 12:19:34 am »

As far as which disorder he’s most likely to have, I’d say antisocial personality disorder.

Per http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmedhealth/PMH0001919/, I’ve copied some points. I didn’t copy everything from the site, but most things do apply to PW.

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Antisocial personality disorder is a mental health condition in which a person has a long-term pattern of manipulating, exploiting, or violating the rights of others. This behavior is often criminal.

A person with antisocial personality disorder may:
•   Be able to act witty and charming
•   Be good at flattery and manipulating other people's emotions
•   Disregard the safety of self and others (flying a helicopter to a stag party- he did this, didn't he?)
•   Not show guilt or remorse
•   Often be angry or arrogant

To be diagnosed with antisocial personality disorder, a person must have had conduct disorder during childhood (most of us agree that he did).

Antisocial personality disorder is one of the most difficult personality disorders to treat. People with this condition rarely seek treatment on their own. They may only start therapy when required to by a court.
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« Reply #63 on: May 28, 2012, 02:06:14 am »

^You may not be far off the mark there, Bijoux.  I dated a jerk who ended up being diagnosed with antisocial personality disorder after ending up in jail years after I knew him and all of those are quite accurate.  The charming part is the bait and then you start (well I did) getting manipulated in all sorts of ways.  There was also a definite mean streak and verbal abuse was the last straw with me.

He's exhibited that as well, we think, yes?  With WK?  His treatment of her, as much as I dislike her own behavior and values, is still inexcusable. 

There might be a dash of narcissism to throw in the mix, too, which is also very difficult to treat. 
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« Reply #64 on: May 28, 2012, 09:39:40 am »

^^ and ^ ...God love her, but it sounds like Diana too.  I'm reading the Wendy Berry book and she seems to exhibit all of these traits  blink
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« Reply #65 on: May 28, 2012, 01:26:36 pm »

Is that a new book, Mooster?  I don't recall it and would like to try it if you think it's a good read.

Diana certainly exhibited quite a few emotional problems and then her paranoia at the end with wire tapping/phone calls recorded, but that ended up being justified on certain levels, so maybe she had a point.  But, to live under all of that messes with your head and she seemed as though she couldn't get out of there fast enough.  Do any of the members of the BRF have emotional or mental issues that have leaked out?

Believe me, there's no judgment towards anybody on any of this from me at all.
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« Reply #66 on: May 28, 2012, 01:38:47 pm »

It's definitely worth reading.  When it first came out, British publishers were banned from selling it because it told the truth about C&D's marriage.  One of my neighbours asked a friend of hers in the US to get for her.  It was very carefully wrapped in lots of brown paper to escape the eyes of the Royal Mail!  Not sure if it's still banned in the UK, which would be stupid, but it makes Andrew Morton's book look very tame!
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« Reply #67 on: May 28, 2012, 01:51:10 pm »

^Thank you.  Is it The Housekeeper's Diary?  If so, I'm going to order it.  There's no downloading available and written in 1996 so not that long before Diana died.
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« Reply #68 on: May 28, 2012, 01:57:57 pm »

Yooper: that's the one!  I think that Wendy Berry also moved to the US when it was published.  I have a feeling that she was/is persona non grata in the UK and could be arrested if she came back to England because she breached the Palace confidentiality clause.  No wonder W&K don't want a housekeeper!
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« Reply #69 on: May 28, 2012, 02:34:02 pm »

I haven't read this one but know all about it as she fled the country to the USA and only came back five years later when PC said he wouldn't sue her. I know she was criticised for spilling the beans but a document like this has great historical value. God knows if historians had to rely on the DM and DT reports we're seeing they'd get a completely inaccurate account of things.

I have just started reading Christopher Hutchins Diana on the Edge. He's a former Fleet Street (genuine FS) reporter and specialises in biographies his latest is on Putin. He wrote a couple about the Royals and he's not one to gloss over the unpalatable. This one is about her state of mind and he talks to psychologists etc about what was going on and they all link it back to her own childhood and her mother leaving.

As I have no idea if he has an agenda and it all seems plausible he doesn't think she was made BTW I am taking it at face value but it does raise the question that if her own parents' difference afected her psychologically then surely the same issues may will be affecting PW.
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« Reply #70 on: May 28, 2012, 03:37:44 pm »

Thanks, TB.  I wasn't sure where WB had gone.

Diana on the Edge sounds interesting and I shall look out for it.  No doubt that PW has been damaged by his parents' warring and the untimely death of his mother and the Middletons provided that safe family haven for him - or so it seemed.  I wonder how much KM has been damaged by her own mother's strong personality, her avaricious social-climbing, her controlling character, her apparent squashing of individuality to conform to what she deemed as sociably acceptable, etc?  Could be another book there in due course.
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« Reply #71 on: May 28, 2012, 03:42:48 pm »

If Diana's childhood affected her the way it has been portrayed then when she married it would have been with the intention to be married and raise her family with the Father till death do they part. When she discovered that Charles had no intention of giving up Camilla for her or the good of their family it would have sent her into an emotional state where she would have become like another person. All of the fears she had as a child would have taken over and she would have done anything to try and stop what she would see as the ultimate failure. She would have done everything she could think of to try and get Charles to see the problem.
Charles being who he is with the ego he has would have thought everything was about him and he was the only important one. When Diana realized that is truly who he was and nothing was ever going to change she would have stopped letting the hurt and the pain guide her and then she would have wanted to move on and make the best out of the situation.
William can not be placed in the same category because his parents did not divorce when he was to young to understand and he spent most of the years they were fighting away at school. After the divorce he was shoved off onto Nannies and other workers when he was with Charles. William may have some abandonment feelings because of that though. They would be different than the ones that Diana experienced. They would manifest themselves differently as in not wanting Kate but at the same time not wanting anyone else to have her. William is just like Charles in the way he feels entitled and his self importance and when Kate started going out and enjoying herself after the break up he could not believe what he was seeing. Not because he wants her but because he did not think she could continue without him. After so many years he felt pushed into this marriage by someone and I do not know who that was but it is not what he truly wanted and that much is obvious. William is not a man in many ways and he doesn't know how to solve his problem so he will wind up doing it in a way that a boy would.
His problems stem from the fact that he has not been told NO and has not had to face any hard consequences to his actions. They are not mental they are just bratty.
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« Reply #72 on: May 28, 2012, 04:38:54 pm »

Yes Yooper, it's the Housekeeper's Diary.  I'm only half way through the book, and I'm not excusing Charles treatment of Diana, but I would say that she was certainly highly strung and an emotional handful and could be quite difficult to live with.  I would say living with Charles brought out the worst in her - those bullet points that Bijoux listed definitely fit with the housekeeper's perception of Diana.  It seems that William has inherited Diana's 'loose cannon' personality and Charles whiny sense of entitlement.  Charles seemed very set in his ways and unwilling to make room for anyone else's point of view or way of wanting to live.  I think there is a link between Diana's unsettled childhood and William's apparent inability to make his marriage work with Kate (pure speculation at this stage).  Charles just seems indifferent to anything but his own needs.  William seems to have inherited the worst of his parents characters.

I will also get a copy of the book that True Brit is reading  thumbsup
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« Reply #73 on: May 28, 2012, 05:15:45 pm »

^ How true Hot Harry seems to have taken all the best qualities of his parents and Willy...well he is a mess  bye.
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« Reply #74 on: May 28, 2012, 06:34:45 pm »

Thanks you guys!  I had to order a hard copy edition, but it was only .50, so no loss there and will also get the book you recommended as well, TB.  That's one I missed somehow.  I also checked to see if you could order the book internationally and you can't.  Someone here or somewhere else has to mail it to you, which I'm more than willing to do.
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« Reply #75 on: May 28, 2012, 07:10:13 pm »

I ordered mine from Amazon and it came all the way from the States...it's not available in the UK  sly
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« Reply #76 on: May 28, 2012, 07:29:13 pm »

^ I can second or third the recommendation to read "Diana on the Edge".  It is written not really for or against either PC or PD - and I have read several books.  I really liked PD a lot despite her shortcomings, which we all have in varying degrees, but I also know one thing - I could not have lived with her and neither would I have been proud of some of the things she did not keep discreet if she were my sister as a Mother.

I am not excusing PC at all. bignono

For me, after so much reading, I believe PC and PD brought out the utter worse in each other.  PC didn't know how to deal with her emotions and this didn't help her, on the other hand she was too damaged to realize that sometimes her own actions would have a reaction.

As for PW - emotional abuse?  Possibly.  He may not like women much at all - not really like them or trust them.  He couldn't fix his Mother's crying and outbursts as a youngster - what affect did that have?  What affect did both parents admissions publicly have on him?  What affect did that Panorama interview have?  If your own Mother did that and your school friends all got to see it, how would you feel?

However, PW's statute of limitations on blaming either of his parents is overbignono  His life is now his own and his choices are now his own.  So far I wish he would step down and let Harry take over - this is not a man I would want to see in a power position.

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« Reply #77 on: June 07, 2012, 09:53:59 pm »

I think that Wills is now a bit un-hinged, he is running scared trying a little of this, making a report, doing something else, trying to seem interested in his wife and all the while looking miserable.

...he certainly does look miserable at times.   sorry
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« Reply #78 on: June 08, 2012, 09:50:04 am »

Some people will do anything to make a quick buck and bask in their 5 minutes of fame.  wopedo

Sorry, but haven't they beaten this horse to death?
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« Reply #79 on: June 09, 2012, 04:14:10 am »

I think Charles liked being praised endlessly by sycophants and being the center of attention. This pattern started when his grandmother indulged him and spoiled. I think because he was narcissistic Charles had difficulty relating to others and considered them "pests" if they disagreed. Or worse still considered them "threats." Camilla knew how to push the right buttons and not so subtly put down Diana perhaps saying she didn't appreciate Charles or "understand him."  I think Charles was so self absorbed he thought Diana would fall into line and agree with all his expectations of the marriage and play nice with his mistress (the two could be "friends" and "civilized" much like APB and Charles were "friends")
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