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« Reply #200 on: July 04, 2017, 10:42:26 pm »

^ Camilla lived the life of upper middleclass women of the time. Upper class people attended polo matches and hunted, and she saw them in London as well. She and Andrew Parker Bowles went out on the town to restaurants in the West End and to parties, while they dated. We know they went to polo balls.

The Parker Bowles family had Royal and other upper class connections, Andrew was a Guards officer, the Household Cavalry is probably the smartest regiment in the British Army. He got engaged to Camilla and married her after all, (betrothal and marriage are surely honourable) and when they were dating they certainly wouldn't have been sitting at home every night! They also attended houseparties in the country at some weekends like other people of their class.

I'm certainly no fan of Camilla's but, KF, where have you read that she led a wild life being passed from man to man?  She had other boyfriends, we know Charles was one, but certainly nothing like you have described. Could you please give me links to articles or books that name these dozens of men she slept with and Camilla's lifestyle as a single woman? If she'd had that sort of hugely wild reputation it's strange that royalty, including the Queen Mother, would have come to her wedding.

I don't know what you mean by 'she didn't have much by way of herself'. She and her siblings had Cubitt money. Her grandmother, Sonia was very wealthy and her grandchildren were left considerable sums. That's why Camilla didn't need to work as a single woman.
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« Reply #201 on: July 04, 2017, 10:53:36 pm »

Camilla was a debutante, who came out at Queen Charlotte's Ball at eighteen. Her father was comfortably off but mother's family, the Cubitts, had a lot of money. An ancestor had been responsible for developing whole suburbs of London.

 Both sides of the family were well-connected, with titles on both sides. Camilla, whom I think is pretty loathsome, nevertheless wasn't worried about getting a job after she'd been to finishing school in Switzerland. I doubt that she would have known what a corporate ladder was.

Camilla had a few temporary jobs, including one at an art dealers that only lasted a couple of days. She was late because she was visiting her wealthy grandmother at the Savoy hotel the night before and overslept. Camilla shared a London flat with the daughter of the Cabinet of the Exchequer.

Junor, in her latest book, remarks that Camilla was completely unambitious as all she wanted to be was an upper middleclass wife in the country with horses and dogs, like her mother. She had boyfriends, notably from the polo and horsy set, because she (fox) hunted (as did her father who was a Master of Foxhounds) and was often at the polo. She fell in love with Andrew PB at eighteen and pursued him for seven years on and off, but not primarily for status and money. She was nominally his girlfriend but he was a womaniser.

The only female who married into the Royal family who had not much money and who worked because she needed to, and had a ton of boyfriends along the way was Fergie. Her father, Major Ron, was well-connected as was her mother, but there was no money on either side.

Camilla's money and contacts doesn't change the fact that she was clearly sleeping with almost everyone she met. She didn't have much by way of herself and you're missing the point: Camilla was blazing through every bed she could find and also be passed around to. She never seemed to be able to find a man who pursued her with honorable intentions and she didn't seem to actually go out on the town to nice places with any guy that we know of.

Mountbatten did refer to Camilla as "good mistress material" for Charles. She was not virginal when she started dating APB and the two cheated on each other. So she should not have been "shocked" that the same pattern continued into the marriage. Mountbatten wanted his (then) underage granddaughter Amanda. to grow up so while that was happening Charles could get involved with "unsuitable" women he could not even consider marrying then when she came of age, he could marry Amanda. The Queen Mum was fond of Andrew Parker Bowles and I think that's why she attended Camilla's and Andrew's wedding.

She was under the radar for the media when Charles was looking for Ms. Right. THen after she was "safely" married she was portrayed as one of Charles' married friends who "inspected" his girlfriends for suitability for dating.

Charles did not see her as a possible wife and mother to his children. He admitted to his biographer he moved on because he was "too young" to get married.
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« Reply #202 on: July 04, 2017, 11:10:35 pm »

^ I dislike Camilla intensely, and she was certainly as a married woman regarded as a 'safe' mistress for Charles, and she almost certainly had a lover or two in her marriage besides Charles after her children were born. Camilla met Andrew at eighteen when she was a deb and I would bet, although I certainly don't know, that it was Andrew that she lost her virginity to. She had other boyfriends during the seven or so years that she and Andrew were dating and she was nominally his girlfriend.

However, I have never read anywhere that Camilla as a single woman blazed her way through men and slept with practically every man she met. If you have read that anywhere Sandy, could you please tell me where, so I can look it up and read it for myself?

Nor have I ever read that she never went out to anywhere nice in town or that boyfriends never took her out anywhere. There are photos still around of a young Camilla and a young Charles in a car having attended an event, so she certainly went out on that occasion and with a very prominent boyfriend!

Camilla was independently wealthy, by the way. As I said in my previous post she and her siblings had access to Cubitt money when she was single and Sonia Cubitt left her £500,000.
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« Reply #203 on: July 05, 2017, 12:21:08 am »

No, she lost her virginity to someone else. He came forward to the media

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/femail/article-459315/The-night-Camilla-lost-virginity--changed-history-royals.html

Let me put it this way, Camilla was very experienced. Junor says she was referred to Charles by Lucia Santa Cruz. But Junor fails to mention that Charles lost his virginity to Lucia who told him to meet Camilla. That photo with Charles was not from an individual date with Charles. It was from ca. 1975 after her marriage to APB. Other photos show that Andrew was also on this "date." Charles oddly "dated" the mistresses at times with their husbands present. He also did the same with Dale Tryon and her husband. Very strange. So Charles could be out with these ladies and it be "safe" because the husbands were there too. All very "civilized". Charles was not her boyfriend during that night on the town, on the surface she was with her husband with Charles going with them.

Camilla had money troubles after the divorce from APB. She really was not independently wealthy so Charles purchased her home Raymill for her since she apparently could not afford to keep it. I don't know what happened to the money she inherited. It seems it was not enough for her to maintain a comfortable lifestyle.
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« Reply #204 on: July 05, 2017, 12:52:37 am »

^ Yes, I read that article after I'd posted! Nevertheless, three boyfriends with whom Camilla was probably intimate does not mean that she was a wild woman with a disgusting reputation who bedded every man she saw. When Camilla was young it was the Swinging Sixties and certainly there were plenty of girls in London, who were worse, much worse! It certainly made her unsuitable as a wife of Charles, however, as his future wife wasn't supposed to have had a sexual past at all. Lucia Santa Cruz, incidentally, has always denied that she was Charles's lover and does so again in Junor's latest book. She stated that she was dating her future husband at the time she met Charles.

There is also in this article ample proof that Camilla was taken out by boyfriends to cocktail parties, dances and other events within London Society, as pages in magazines like Tatler showed. As far as her money went, the Parker Bowles' hunted, a very expensive pastime, and it was supposedly Camilla's money that bought Bolehyde, their first marital home.

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« Reply #205 on: July 05, 2017, 12:58:24 am »

Perhaps her wrecking a marriage has rather dirtied her in my eyes.

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« Reply #206 on: July 05, 2017, 01:15:42 am »

^ I regard Camilla as totally disgusting, callous, disdainful and horrible individual, KF. I can hardly bear to look at photos of her grinning face.  We talk about Kate but at least Kate didn't plot to destroy the marriage of a very young woman and later move into Highgrove to act as hostess in her lover's wife's place. IMO I hope she never becomes Queen.
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« Reply #207 on: July 05, 2017, 01:19:40 am »

^ Yes, I read that article after I'd posted! Nevertheless, three boyfriends with whom Camilla was probably intimate does not mean that she was a wild woman with a disgusting reputation who bedded every man she saw. When Camilla was young it was the Swinging Sixties and certainly there were plenty of girls in London, who were worse, much worse! It certainly made her unsuitable as a wife of Charles, however, as his future wife wasn't supposed to have had a sexual past at all. Lucia Santa Cruz, incidentally, has always denied that she was Charles's lover and does so again in Junor's latest book. She stated that she was dating her future husband at the time she met Charles.

There is also in this article ample proof that Camilla was taken out by boyfriends to cocktail parties, dances and other events within London Society, as pages in magazines like Tatler showed. As far as her money went, the Parker Bowles' hunted, a very expensive pastime, and it was supposedly Camilla's money that bought Bolehyde, their first marital home.



I don't think Camilla gave Charles his first sexual experience--certainly Junor would have used that if it were true. I am not sure why Santa Cruz denies it at this late date. Charles was said to be smitten with her. Lucia dating someone in that circle would not have barred her from sleeping with the Prince.

Camilla was never really independently wealthy. And she had expensive tastes, obviously.

KF it is nauseating that this woman is raised to sainthood by Junor and other lackeys after what she did. At least Wallis did not break up a royal marriage the way Camilla did.

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« Reply #208 on: July 05, 2017, 01:42:07 am »

According to Tina Brown, Camilla allegedly had money, but she ended up blowing it all on a new house after her divorce and by making herself cash poor, placed herself in Charles' hands via the reasoning that a visible royal mistress has to look good. Charles fell for it hook, line, and sinker. So she started mooching right after. Allegedly her finances were so bad that she had to hide when merchants came calling for their bills to be paid. Despite being connected, she was not so rich that she had the best of everything. Camilla had her debut in a rented ballroom and had off the rack dresses and borrowed family jewels. I don't think she was ever wealthy that she could live like Diana could. She didn't really actually have the same kind of security. She was dependent on Charles' largesse that came her way and was certainly not going to be able to lead a comfortable country life if she were single. Camilla's family was not going to throw all sorts of money her way and I do know that for her, marriage and her husband's salary was the only way for her to survive. Women of her background were practically FORBIDDEN to have careers since their role was mainly ornamental.
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« Reply #209 on: July 05, 2017, 02:01:47 am »

By the 1960's though there were very few country gentry families or indeed aristocrats who had large houses in London any more in which debutante balls could be held. If there wasn't a large stately home in the country most people whose daughters still became debs used West End hotels and rented ballrooms. Young girls weren't supposed to have vast amounts of jewellery apart from a string of pearls and a few bracelets and earrings. Diana herself used the Spencer tiara on her wedding day, which was borrowed.

I've got a suspicion that the Parker Bowles lived up to their income and then some. There was a bit of money in the Parker Bowles family, but being an officer in a smart regiment costs, even nowadays. Then there was the hunting, the social life around the hunting/polo set, horses' maintenance and the house to be bought which wouldn't have been cheap. £500,000 not invested wisely (and I have read she lost money in a Lloyds collapse in the 1980's) would have been sizeably reduced under those circumstances.
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« Reply #210 on: July 09, 2017, 01:43:50 am »

According to Tina Brown, Camilla allegedly had money, but she ended up blowing it all on a new house after her divorce and by making herself cash poor, placed herself in Charles' hands via the reasoning that a visible royal mistress has to look good. Charles fell for it hook, line, and sinker. So she started mooching right after. Allegedly her finances were so bad that she had to hide when merchants came calling for their bills to be paid. Despite being connected, she was not so rich that she had the best of everything. Camilla had her debut in a rented ballroom and had off the rack dresses and borrowed family jewels. I don't think she was ever wealthy that she could live like Diana could. She didn't really actually have the same kind of security. She was dependent on Charles' largesse that came her way and was certainly not going to be able to lead a comfortable country life if she were single. Camilla's family was not going to throw all sorts of money her way and I do know that for her, marriage and her husband's salary was the only way for her to survive. Women of her background were practically FORBIDDEN to have careers since their role was mainly ornamental.

  Camilla lost most of her money when Lloyds crashed... Charles encouraged all his friend to give her money to buy Raymill, and he also contributed.  She did not blow it on anything.
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