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« Reply #180 on: June 28, 2017, 01:00:15 am »

I think they resumed their affair in September 1981. I don't think Charles was faithful for very long at all, and how else did Camilla have all that inside knowledge to leak details about C&D's marriage to the press?
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« Reply #181 on: June 28, 2017, 02:52:10 am »

Just utterly disgusting. imo C&C were never out of touch; he has always been too dependent on Cams; he's a weak willed whiney baby.
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« Reply #182 on: June 28, 2017, 09:34:37 am »

It's well known they were never out of touch. Shagging her right before the wedding and then spending ages on the phone to her on the honeymoon.. How he expected any woman to accept that is beyond me. And Camzilla dictating baby plans to him and him following suit is one of the vilest and most disgusting things. It's reasonable to say that she was jealous and didn't want Di to have anymore kids with Chuck. If Camilla was so hurt & devastated by Andrew PB affairs as claimed by Junor (which I don't doubt is true), then why did she do the same to another woman, a young woman barely out of her teens?
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« Reply #183 on: June 28, 2017, 10:25:06 am »

^Amazing; a mistress telling a prince how many heirs he is allowed to have. He could have given Diana a houseful of children to occupy her time, but instead only gave her two and left her in an empty nursery by the time she was thirty. Usually princes worked hard to have at least two healthy children, but here was Charles who had a wife who could produce healthy children by the dozen, but refused. If Diana had had one kid each year of her twenties (as she supposedly wanted) then she would have ended up occupied with her children and then happy enough with work and family. As a result of Camilla's meddling, there are no viable heirs to replace the two idiot princes.
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« Reply #184 on: June 28, 2017, 03:10:10 pm »

Alexandra had a philandering husband but he did not leave her bed after he got his heir and spare. She had some intimacy with him and they had a houseload of children. His mistresses did not even dare say one bad word about the royal wife nor dared tell him how many babies the wife should have. Though what Edward VII did was gross, he did not let a mistress oust the wife.  Camilla is an absolute disgrace and Charles is a *fool*.
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« Reply #185 on: June 28, 2017, 03:38:11 pm »

^ITA  thumbsup Charles is not only a fool but a weakling of a man.
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« Reply #186 on: June 29, 2017, 01:00:46 am »

I he had kept Diana pregnant regularly, he would have had a houseful of heirs, Diana would have been too busy with them, and all in all he would have had an active family life. Win-win and I am certain that Camilla wouldn't have destroyed the monarchy in the way that she has. Diana would have been too busy with children and her other issues would have been kept at bay and she would have been more stable. With as many kids, divorce would have been out the window.
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« Reply #187 on: June 30, 2017, 11:46:12 pm »

  Kuei ,

   Diana was not a breeding rabbit.  Diana was not unstable, even Dr Khan said that.   Kate-Horror-Queen

   Charles started going fox hunting when Diana was pregnant with William,  having more pregnancies would have changed what exactly. ?
   
   Diana had duties to perform as Princess of Wales. 

   Charles has always been a weak and pathetic ditherer, having more children wouldn't have made him otherwise.
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« Reply #188 on: July 01, 2017, 12:41:05 am »

Camilla probably ordered CHarles not to have more children. Which is why CHarles was so disappointed the second one was not a daughter. He knew he was going to ditch Diana and refuse her more children.
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« Reply #189 on: July 03, 2017, 03:08:29 am »

^^ I think it's more about Camilla's influence. Charles and Diana should have worked on their marriage. They could have probably found more things in common if they spent more time together, made an effort to try things that the other person enjoyed even if it wasn't their favorite activity. Camilla should not have been in charge of how many kids they had: not her marriage, not her place. Maybe #3 would have been a daughter and Charles could have had the daughter he wanted and Diana could have had another kid. No guarantee of a pregnancy every year, Diana had a miscarriage between William and Harry and I know a couple that wanted 12 kids but only had four (and they married young too). But a mistress should not have a say in another family's size, nor tell a man to leave his wife's bed.  thumbsdown
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« Reply #190 on: July 03, 2017, 07:14:17 am »

from what I read Camilla was in charge of pretty much everything.
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« Reply #191 on: July 03, 2017, 07:08:04 pm »

^^

She had a miscarriage? I never knew that. Can I ask how you know please? I'm really curious.

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« Reply #192 on: July 03, 2017, 08:30:34 pm »

^ One summer (or autumn? winter? no idea tbh, I think autumnish) they were up in Scotland and Diana went down to London (don't remember either anymore whether that was planned or not, but think not) and went to her gynaecologist, and then back up to Scotland or so and the wide assumption is that at the time she had a miscarrage because all of the circumstances allude to pretty much that. I don't remember the details of it (as you can clearly see), but this is the gist of it. If you google "diana miscarriage" I'm sure many sites will come up with the gossip from the time and people's opinion etc, but everyone is pretty much convinced she had a miscarriage!
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« Reply #193 on: July 03, 2017, 10:07:05 pm »

None of the biographies on Diana that I've read (and I've bought several over the years) speak of her having had a miscarriage, not even Sarah Bradford or Lady Colin Campbell, who had access to Society gossip, mention it. Nor, more significantly, did Diana ever mention that she'd had a miscarriage in any of her tapes. Nor does it come up in female friends' memories of her.

This may or may not be relevant but Diana later complained to Morton and others that Charles was rather reluctant to make love to her. She stated that it was a once every three weeks sort of thing, but 'somehow we had Harry'. Of course, that rate has nothing to do with losing a baby but you self- evidently of course you have to have sex to become pregnant!
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« Reply #194 on: July 03, 2017, 10:39:40 pm »

^ That's something I've been thinking about too. Never has it been said by anything remotely "official" that she had one and she herself never said it either. Depending on the circumstances and what went on, it would have been quite an addition to the Wales war, "I lost our child and C wasn't there for me". Maybe she had one and kept that really private...  dontknow What sent speculation into overdrive, understandably, was that she'd interrupted a family holiday to specifically go to her gyn in Ldn all the way from the boonies (I kid, from Scotland I think to remember, Balmoral). Makes it look like sth was up. If she had a regular appointment, I'm sure that could have been moved to a more convenient date..

I can't quite understand why he wouldn't touch Diana, it's not like he didn't have a libido, he seems to have been at it with Camz like a rabbit. And with his duty to have an heir and a spare it's even weirder..
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« Reply #195 on: July 03, 2017, 11:06:38 pm »

^In regards to that, maybe Charles likes to do certain things that he didn't have the guts to ask his virginal bride to do or didn't have the patience to teach her. A lot of powerful men are like that and they prefer a 'well trained' woman for the sick stuff they like. Camilla's vast experience could mean that she's skilled at stuff we can't imagine and I daresay that Diana likely didn't know the half of it. I mean, there was something mentioned on here how at a party the guys would throw their car keys on a table and the woman would pick up the one and go off with the man whose keys she picked.

Being who she was at her status, Diana was raised to be a chatelaine and basically knew that she wouldn't have to degrade herself by using sexual acrobatics to get a man to marry her. Diana's future was secure and was going to be something that was straightforward. Camilla on the other hand was someone who was going to have to make an effort if she wanted someone with real status and she couldn't just easily attract one by meeting a compatible guy while working the corporate ladder or working in a shop, the only way up was via a man and I can kind of see how Camilla really did think that it would be the only way for her. Yet, she wrecked Charles' marriage and that is what makes it unforgivable.
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« Reply #196 on: July 04, 2017, 01:23:39 am »

Thanks for that. I remember her visit to London now.
I never paid much attention to it at the time. I think I still believed in the fairy tale at that point.
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« Reply #197 on: July 04, 2017, 02:58:29 am »

Camilla was a debutante, who came out at Queen Charlotte's Ball at eighteen. Her father was comfortably off but mother's family, the Cubitts, had a lot of money. An ancestor had been responsible for developing whole suburbs of London.

 Both sides of the family were well-connected, with titles on both sides. Camilla, whom I think is pretty loathsome, nevertheless wasn't worried about getting a job after she'd been to finishing school in Switzerland. I doubt that she would have known what a corporate ladder was.

Camilla had a few temporary jobs, including one at an art dealers that only lasted a couple of days. She was late because she was visiting her wealthy grandmother at the Savoy hotel the night before and overslept. Camilla shared a London flat with the daughter of the Cabinet of the Exchequer.

Junor, in her latest book, remarks that Camilla was completely unambitious as all she wanted to be was an upper middleclass wife in the country with horses and dogs, like her mother. She had boyfriends, notably from the polo and horsy set, because she (fox) hunted (as did her father who was a Master of Foxhounds) and was often at the polo. She fell in love with Andrew PB at eighteen and pursued him for seven years on and off, but not primarily for status and money. She was nominally his girlfriend but he was a womaniser.

The only female who married into the Royal family who had not much money and who worked because she needed to, and had a ton of boyfriends along the way was Fergie. Her father, Major Ron, was well-connected as was her mother, but there was no money on either side.
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« Reply #198 on: July 04, 2017, 05:22:32 pm »

Camilla had lovers not boyfriends. She was experienced when she started dating Andrew PB. The two cheated on each other.
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« Reply #199 on: July 04, 2017, 07:23:07 pm »

Camilla was a debutante, who came out at Queen Charlotte's Ball at eighteen. Her father was comfortably off but mother's family, the Cubitts, had a lot of money. An ancestor had been responsible for developing whole suburbs of London.

 Both sides of the family were well-connected, with titles on both sides. Camilla, whom I think is pretty loathsome, nevertheless wasn't worried about getting a job after she'd been to finishing school in Switzerland. I doubt that she would have known what a corporate ladder was.

Camilla had a few temporary jobs, including one at an art dealers that only lasted a couple of days. She was late because she was visiting her wealthy grandmother at the Savoy hotel the night before and overslept. Camilla shared a London flat with the daughter of the Cabinet of the Exchequer.

Junor, in her latest book, remarks that Camilla was completely unambitious as all she wanted to be was an upper middleclass wife in the country with horses and dogs, like her mother. She had boyfriends, notably from the polo and horsy set, because she (fox) hunted (as did her father who was a Master of Foxhounds) and was often at the polo. She fell in love with Andrew PB at eighteen and pursued him for seven years on and off, but not primarily for status and money. She was nominally his girlfriend but he was a womaniser.

The only female who married into the Royal family who had not much money and who worked because she needed to, and had a ton of boyfriends along the way was Fergie. Her father, Major Ron, was well-connected as was her mother, but there was no money on either side.

Camilla's money and contacts doesn't change the fact that she was clearly sleeping with almost everyone she met. She didn't have much by way of herself and you're missing the point: Camilla was blazing through every bed she could find and also be passed around to. She never seemed to be able to find a man who pursued her with honorable intentions and she didn't seem to actually go out on the town to nice places with any guy that we know of.
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