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« Reply #80 on: June 21, 2014, 11:59:52 pm »

In fairness NightHawk, Kate and William are never ever as open as these two.  And Kate looking at Wills as she did didn't exactly look the same as this - this looks natural and not "begging" for affection, which to me, Kate often seems like she is begging for what a man loves a woman does by nature.

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« Reply #81 on: July 16, 2014, 11:29:54 am »

The cigarette girl who became a queen: Pictures reveal Spanish royal Letizia selling tobacco when she was a student at Mexican university
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    Pictures show Queen Letizia while she was a student at university in Mexico
    Reveal she took a job as a hostess promoting a tobacco brand
    Can be seen offering information about the brand and giving out cigarettes
    Letizia studied in Mexico after completing a journalism course in Madrid
    Then went on to meet and marry Prince Felipe of Spain in 2004
    Last month became Queen after King Juan Carlos abdicated
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2693272/Queen-Letizia-tobacco-spokesman-Pictures-emerge-Spanish-royal-selling-cigarettes-student-Mexican-university.html

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She may now be the Queen of Spain but new pictures of Queen Letizia show she was just like any other student during her university days, taking odd jobs to make ends meet.

Letizia first studied journalism at university in Madrid before taking a masters course at a university in Mexico, where these new pictures reveal she took a job as a hostess promoting a tobacco brand.

The images were taken in the mid-90s while the Queen studied at the University of Guadalajara in Mexico.
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« Reply #82 on: July 16, 2014, 02:54:17 pm »

The comments are not too positive for Kate.

"At least she worked" and more of that kind of remarks LOL.
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« Reply #83 on: July 22, 2014, 05:18:59 am »

I think I'm just tired of the usual "Commoner Letizia is just SO MUCH better than any aristocrat that he might have married," lately that kind of PR gets to me.
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« Reply #84 on: September 28, 2014, 10:53:42 pm »

avoiding events?

http://www.vanitatis.elconfidencial.com/casas-reales/2014-09-27/el-planton-de-la-reina-al-rey-en-galicia_216839/

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« Reply #85 on: April 23, 2015, 07:33:33 pm »

Queen of Spain and photos that raise new health fears

Queen Letizia of Spain has long been plagued by rumours of anorexia, and her appearance at an awards ceremony in Madrid yesterday did nothing to dispel them.

Friends say the former TV journalist is naturally thin and point out that she has spoken publicly about her eating habits in the past, saying she maintains her figure with a healthy diet and is very concerned about nutrition.

The 42-year-old wife of King Felipe and mother of two was born to a middle-class family.

The Spanish media have likened her to Princes Diana, saying she suffers from ‘control issues’ and feels uncomfortable in the royal role.

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« Reply #86 on: April 23, 2015, 09:03:00 pm »

Queen Letizia’s appearance in Madrid this week renews ‘anorexic’ concerns

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    Queen Letizia of Spain has long been plagued by rumours of anorexia, and her appearance at an awards ceremony in Madrid yesterday did nothing to dispel them. Friends say the former TV journalist is naturally thin and point out that she has spoken publicly about her eating habits in the past, saying she maintains her figure with a healthy diet and is very concerned about nutrition. The 42-year-old wife of King Felipe and mother of two was born to a middle-class family. The Spanish media have likened her to Princes Diana, saying she suffers from ‘control issues’ and feels uncomfortable in the royal role.

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Is this body-shaming? Or legitimate concern? I think it can be both. Letizia looks noticeably thinner since becoming queen last year. But… people are acting like Letizia’s slender frame is the second coming of Giuliana Rancic. It’s not that. Letizia’s figure reminds me a bit of Kelly Ripa’s – like, I’ll buy that Letizia works out too much more than she’s not eating.

http://www.celebitchy.com/423500/queen_letizias_appearance_in_madrid_this_week_renews_anorexic_concerns/

I don't get it, she is someone who is from a public background and no stranger to demands on her time, so why so ill? None of this makes any sense and isn't she able to afford a good therapist? Handsome prince, secure life for herself and kids, is a Queen Consort and so she has no business being ill.

You can't control illness, I know that, but really, this is just not good. She's a Queen, has been a crown princess for some time, zero business being like this. She needs to take care of herself and needs to get with the program.

If we're going to be hard on Kate, we need to be just has hard on her.
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« Reply #87 on: April 24, 2015, 08:07:45 am »

I don't know why other people are hard on Kate, but for myself, I can say that Kate's weight is the least important to me. Had it only been that she is rake-thin, you wouldn't have heard from me.

The reasons why I dislike Kate are much different and none of the reasons would apply to Letizia.

1. Kate stalked William for years and put her own life on hold to get the ring
Letizia didn't stalk Felipe at all. She attended a totally different university, has lived abroad on several occasions and only met him by accident at a dinner party they both attended

2. Kate modelled her entire life as to fit in into William's life; she ditched friends, she started talking posh etc
Letizia did no such thing, we all know her accent from her days as anchor at TVE and that hasn't changed. And she has kept her friends on, as a matter of fact, I understand that some of her friends, middle class friends, are now friends of Felipe and Letizia and socialize with the royal couple by going to the movies, going out to dinner etc Before Letizia arrived, Felipe didn't have any middle class friends at all and many people in Spain say that the addition of some middle class friends to his social circles has done him a world of good

3. Kate graduated from university but never followed up by getting a career
Letizia's career is well-known: she was a very popular and respected anchor of TVE prior to the engagement and before that worked in several foreign countries, including the US where she reported on 9/11. That means something, it was, obviously, a big story and the European tv-stations didn't send their 'mwah'-reporters to the scene but often their arrived stars of the high potential young rookies

4. Kate doesn't add anything to William's performance as a royal
Since Letizia came to the scene, Felipe has done better when it comes to presenting himself, in speeches, tv appearances etc. Obviously she has helped him accomplishing this and in a tv- and image-dominated society that we are, this is extremely important

5. Kate is lazy and work-shy
Letizia has done many visits with her husband during their 'Crown Prince-years'. At the time it was mentioned that she felt under-utilized, probably because the Spanish King was never a fan of her, but even so, she had more performances and duties than Kate has in the average year. But now that Felipe is King, she is more visible, also on solo visits abroad, like Vienna and Paris and she seems to love doing these events and has a true interaction with the public

6. Kate's family...
Letizia's direct family is very discrete. Yes, her 2nd degree cousin wrote a book about her, but that is about it. The other time the family came in the news was because of the tragic suicide of Letizia's sister. After that the ranks closed again. Her mother doesn't have a journalist from Hola on speed dial, her remaining sister isn't flaunting her @ss everywhere, nor is she trying to make some money by using her sister's name and position. Letizia's mother helped out the first year or so after the girls Leonor and Sofia were born, but she never felt the need to put that out there in the press, and I understand that she didn't live with the couple but travelled back and forth. And what about the Felipe and Letizia being together for a little over a year and the press still not knowing...do you think the Middleton's would have sat on such big news for a year? Letizia and her family did

7. Kate's pregnancies are in question
Letizia's pregnancies were never in doubt, she looked pregnant with a much fuller face, she had bigger breasts and during the later stages of her pregnancies, the heels decreased in size to the point where she wore flats

8. Kate has sexualized everything about her
She has showed the world her everything. And obviously she can't control the wind, neither can Letizia who also had a faux-pas once when her skirt got the better of her. Ñot that we saw much because she was wearing the kind of panties my grandmother wore. And she learned from that and has worn pants or pencil skirts most of the time since then. Or wider skirts of heavier fabric

Just from the top of my head 8 reasons why I don't like Kate, and I don't have these reasons when looking at Letizia. Is she perfect? No...no one is. But she seems to be a great help to her husband, a caring mother for her two girls and whenever I see Felipe and Letizia together, I get the feeling that this is a couple deeply committed to one another. Are they still 'in love'? When seeing how the King sometimes looks at her and how she looked at him during his swearing-in-ceremony last year...I think they are.

As for health issues...there are issues that cannot be resolved with money or a life-style. And in case of the royals the life-style can actually add to some health issues. It did with Prince Claus, it did with the Empress of Japan, it did with Diana. But also with Victoria of Sweden or Laurent of Belgium.
I think that although leading a royal life looks nice to us bystanders, no financials worries, world at your feet etc, the royal life is one of many restraints. Not being able to say what you feel, not always being able to do what you want to do because of 'national interests' etc. And the constant media attention and scrutiny can't be fun either.

When it comes to these issues, my grandmother always said 'Don't judge until you have walked a mile in their shoes' and I stick to that rule. I cannot phantom how hard royal life can be. Yes, there are advantages, but I don't think I would want it. And both born-royals as well as married-in-royals have problems with it, says enough for me. It isn't a walk in the park although it may seem that way to us bystanders.
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« Reply #88 on: April 27, 2015, 03:43:29 pm »

My only problem with Letizia is that supposedly she was a Republican, in regard of her political ideology she was left-wing, she was a sindicalist, she was agnostic... and now she's Queen of Spain, a role that in my opinion represents everything she stood against. How far can you go for love without losing your identity?
I'm not saying that she doesn't love her husband (it seems to me that she does) nor that she isn't doing her "job" well, in my opinion she's doing it very well, she has her faults (we all have ours...we're human) but to me she's pretending to be something she's not and that is taking its toll, more than all the "ups and downs" that come with royal-life (I can't even begin to imagine what or how challenging they are).
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« Reply #89 on: April 27, 2015, 03:55:52 pm »

I agree that she was not very religious, but neither is a large part of the Spanish population. We all think of Spain as a very religious country but more than 80% of the Spanish people of her generation (born in the 1960's and beyond) say they hardly ever attend church, other than the occasional wedding and perhaps on the 'high days' like Christmas and Easter.

As for left-wing; the PSOE, the socialist party, isn't anti-monarchy. The first PM, Suarez, under Juan Carlos was from the PSOE and he and the King had a very good working-relationship.
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« Reply #90 on: April 27, 2015, 06:00:24 pm »

It doesn't matter what normal people do or do not do. At the end of the day they are not normal people. Spanish monarchy and the catholic church has had a very complex relationship over the centuries and still now it's considered a catholic monarchy. Even these two went to the Vatican after getting their new roles. In the Morton book it is said that when questioned by the church during her engagement she said she saw "the light". Without getting into how nice it was that she changed her mind about the church after meeting Felipe it shows that it was an important part of her new role as princess of Asturias.

BTW Eva Sannum was supposedly learning about Catholicism before they broke up. No one would have accepted a non catholic marrying him.

I disagree with the whole thing catholic church/monarchy mix up. Still think that it is laughable the how hypocrite all the family is in relation to their catholic faith. But I find it even more awful that the head of state has to be catholic for some historical reason and that the vatican may or not have an influence in the country for that reason. Spain is supposed to be not confessional according to our constitution.  bored3

Also Suarez was not leftist, he came from the Franco regime but he left after many rumours and in the next elections Felipe Gonzalez was chosen and he was from PSOE.

Adding the auntie saying between lines that Letizia was republican as the rest of the family http://www.revistavanityfair.es/la-revista/articulos/henar-ortiz-la-tia-de-la-princesa-letizia-creo-que-mi-sobrina-no-llegara-a-reinar/17509/page/2

JC had a good relationship with every president except Aznar and possibly Rajoy. Strangely both from the right wing but they were the only ones who tried to control his abuse of the system.

PSOE is not pro monarchy either. In their statues they base their group in marxist theory... But they always considered that they could work better under a monarchy though that doesn't make them monarchist. Last PSOE president said that JC was the best republican king. One who could have been now the leader of the party said he was republican http://www.elconfidencial.com/espana/2014-06-10/madina-se-declara-republicano-y-pide-al-psoe-que-afronte-el-debate-de-la-monarquia_144282/.
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« Reply #91 on: April 27, 2015, 07:15:03 pm »

I understand clinical depression very well; I have suffered from it and yet, managed to pull through. Her problems in life should just be dealt with. Most deal with worse with a better attitude and I wonder, what is wrong that she isn't getting any help at all? She's a woman who should understand that as a mother she's supposed to be looking after herself so that way she can look after their emotional and psychological needs first and foremost.

My only problem with Letizia is that supposedly she was a Republican, in regard of her political ideology she was left-wing, she was a sindicalist, she was agnostic... and now she's Queen of Spain, a role that in my opinion represents everything she stood against. How far can you go for love without losing your identity?
I'm not saying that she doesn't love her husband (it seems to me that she does) nor that she isn't doing her "job" well, in my opinion she's doing it very well, she has her faults (we all have ours...we're human) but to me she's pretending to be something she's not and that is taking its toll, more than all the "ups and downs" that come with royal-life (I can't even begin to imagine what or how challenging they are).

I do think she made the move to marry Felipe because like a lot of people, she is a climber. If living a life of hypocrisy is what is taking its toll, then fine, no sympathy from me. She can do without it mainly since I can't feel anything but disdain towards someone who tossed her ideals aside to marry a prince.
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« Reply #92 on: April 27, 2015, 07:23:37 pm »

But KF...I have not seen much proof that much is wrong. Yes, she is very skinny and a few servings of pasta won't harm her, but that seems to be her natural ways. She was skinny when she was an anchor woman at TVE. The pictures from her university years show a girl that was always svelt/ skinny.

And she was skinny when getting pregnant; the clearest sign that she was OK because a body deprived of the proper nutrients will not carry a child to terms. Not even after IVF, the body will not accept the fetus and the pergnancy will not be carried to terms. But she did carry two children to terms, both healthy girls.

She may suffer from self-doubt from time to time (show me a person who hasn't), but that is hardly a sign of mental disorders. Nor is it reason to hire some shrink.

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« Reply #93 on: April 27, 2015, 07:41:31 pm »

She was thin but you didn't see her bones and she had a natural glow. I remember her from when she did the special about the euro and I liked her in there.

14 years and she looks like another person https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QAYNju0L-Xk

other one https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ey0wSe7sc9o

last summer I think https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OtG03s1e8iw

IMO she started to look bad in the prewedding event and it went completely down after her sister died and it hasn't improved

and she looks much better than she should because of the cosmetic surgeries she has done

for me this is one of the worst appearances https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gTwhw-eZA_A
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« Reply #94 on: April 28, 2015, 11:21:44 am »

It doesn't matter what normal people do or do not do. At the end of the day they are not normal people. Spanish monarchy and the catholic church has had a very complex relationship over the centuries and still now it's considered a catholic monarchy. Even these two went to the Vatican after getting their new roles. In the Morton book it is said that when questioned by the church during her engagement she said she saw "the light". Without getting into how nice it was that she changed her mind about the church after meeting Felipe it shows that it was an important part of her new role as princess of Asturias.

BTW Eva Sannum was supposedly learning about Catholicism before they broke up. No one would have accepted a non catholic marrying him.

I disagree with the whole thing catholic church/monarchy mix up. Still think that it is laughable the how hypocrite all the family is in relation to their catholic faith. But I find it even more awful that the head of state has to be catholic for some historical reason and that the vatican may or not have an influence in the country for that reason. Spain is supposed to be not confessional according to our constitution.  bored3

Also Suarez was not leftist, he came from the Franco regime but he left after many rumours and in the next elections Felipe Gonzalez was chosen and he was from PSOE.

Adding the auntie saying between lines that Letizia was republican as the rest of the family http://www.revistavanityfair.es/la-revista/articulos/henar-ortiz-la-tia-de-la-princesa-letizia-creo-que-mi-sobrina-no-llegara-a-reinar/17509/page/2

JC had a good relationship with every president except Aznar and possibly Rajoy. Strangely both from the right wing but they were the only ones who tried to control his abuse of the system.

PSOE is not pro monarchy either. In their statues they base their group in marxist theory... But they always considered that they could work better under a monarchy though that doesn't make them monarchist. Last PSOE president said that JC was the best republican king. One who could have been now the leader of the party said he was republican http://www.elconfidencial.com/espana/2014-06-10/madina-se-declara-republicano-y-pide-al-psoe-que-afronte-el-debate-de-la-monarquia_144282/.
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Letizia was slim, but she had a healthy look, a "natural glow" as Alexandrine said. She defenitely looks worse as the years go by. IMO, if it weren't for the cosmetic surgeries she'd look ill...
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« Reply #95 on: April 28, 2015, 01:46:05 pm »

I like her.  Give me her any day as opposed to wasty.  Yes, she is skinny, but she does not look ill, she carries out her duties well, she interacts with people very well, always has a smell, her face is not as hard as nails and masculine, she knows how to dress to suit her most of the time, she has had a few mishaps along the way, but that is human nature, none of us are perfect.  She also has confidence, a nice way with  people, knows how to carry herself, she  has learned a lot over the years, whereas wasty has no desire to learn anything.  A dramatic difference between the two women.  No idea why people can be so unkind about her.  Maybe she is a b*tch in private, but then can´t all women be the same when the mood takes them.
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« Reply #96 on: April 28, 2015, 08:31:05 pm »

I think that's an unfair comment gingerboy and I'm surprised. I respect that you like her and I wouldn't try to change your mind but I don't see the difference between criticizing Kate or Letizia. 
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« Reply #97 on: April 20, 2017, 11:22:25 pm »

Unpopular Princess Letizia faces hurdles in becoming Spain’s queen
http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2014/jun/17/unpopular-princess-letizia-faces-hurdles-in-becomi/
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« Reply #98 on: April 21, 2017, 12:34:49 am »


http://elpais.com/elpais/2015/06/19/inenglish/1434701563_501614.html

The monarchy received a huge boost in popularity after Felipe became King, taking over from his father. Letizia too enjoys good poll ratings of 74%.
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« Reply #99 on: April 21, 2017, 12:51:55 pm »

Felipe and Letizia have done a tremendous job since they became king and queen so naturally their poll ratings would be high.
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