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« Reply #40 on: June 08, 2014, 09:45:36 pm »

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But if Letizia would choose an international role, like supporting Spanish export or a UN role, that has nothing to do with immigration policies, immigration politics are a strictly political territory and she won't have anything to say about that. That a country like Spain doesn't want immigrants at the moment, is quite clear and even understandable. But international politics and relations entails more than taking in refugees. It means to be part of the international community and that means that politicians (and royals in their trails) also have to look at the bigger picture.

Why I was mentioning FDR (a personal interst of me too, him being of Dutch origin and me being highly interested in US politics) was because he was not an isolationist, not even in the 1930's. In a way that he was against the measures the Hoover government took to protect US industry. And he was very vocal when it comes to the need to help Europe in their fight against Hitler, even before Hitler declared war on the US two days after Pearl Harbor. He was the one that came up with Land-Lease, he said in one of his radio speeches that although the US would remain neutral, he could not forbid Americans who wanted to fight against Hitler not to do so (one of the persona who enlisted after that radio talk was Joe Kennedy, the eldest of the Kennedy brothers) and Roosevelt was very much in favour of escorts for ships on the Atlantic in order to protect the shipment of goods to the UK.

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Thanks for the footage. I never knew that several people said that. And it is absolutely true, royalty is not a 9-5 job. But at the same time, I recall having seen a documentary about, then, Princess Maxima and in the documentary it was said that they eat together, as a family, as often as possible and that the schedule is adjusted to fit that in. Obviously they wil leave sometimes after dinner to attend the theater or something else. And there are receptions, state banquets etc but I think that overall, there are a lot more professionals out there who have an even less than 9-5 job than royals; politicians, bankers, people in the rat-race, journalists, nurses, doctors etc.
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« Reply #41 on: June 08, 2014, 11:30:54 pm »

I agree, Countess of Holland. The thing about Maxima is that she always seems to be enjoying what she's doing. She smiles all the time, she's always in a good mood and she's always full of beans. Of course, I don't if that's just a mere pose but at least she does what's expected from her. I can't say the same about Letizia... she looks uncomfortable most of the time, doesn't want to go to mass, when she does she doesn't take communion, when the royals toast she doesn't drink, last summer she left her husband and kids in Majorca and went who knows where... I do understand the need to escape from it all that she must feel more often than not. I've always thought that marrying into royalty when you are young woman who has known freedom and independence must be a very difficult thing to cope and deal with and, as much as I dislike Letizia, I'm the first one to admit that it must have been difficult for her. The thing is: noblesse obligue. You just can't have the best of both worlds.
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« Reply #42 on: June 09, 2014, 02:38:25 am »

^^US politics are not the subject at hand, CoH, so I'll not break my own rules.  Understanding the international policies is an intricate process and living here, having family who were citizens under FDR and studying our stance in the 30s, it's understandable to look at it that way but it's somewhat of an overview.  Besides, that wasn't my point anyway.  The point was that any country has to make a decision whether or not they are fiscally and politically ready and on what level to begin the assistance, intrusion or allying with any other country.  In every instance, and I still haven't had an answer as to where Spain's financial stand is at the moment, it behooves any government to do their best to be strong in order to not be a weak link as much as possible in any international involvement.  That takes more than a King or Queen or President.  It takes a People, their needs, wishes and in most instances a parliament, senate or what have you to make such a broad stroke happen.

It seems to me that, for the time being Letizia is probably doing her very best to adjust to whatever lies ahead and it would be wise to give her the benefit of the doubt before anything actually happens.  But, that's just my stance on a country for whom I only wish the very highest of life standards.

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« Reply #43 on: June 09, 2014, 03:20:19 am »

I totally agree with your excellent post, Yooper! All we outsiders can do is wish Spain the best!
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« Reply #44 on: June 09, 2014, 04:02:33 pm »

^ I agree. We also need to give the new King and Queen time to adjust and adapt. While they have been doing royal engagements and probably know most of what is required, they still need time. I'm sure Letizia wants to be the best Queen for Spain she can while also being the best mother she can. I have a feeling she is going to succeed. I like Felipe and Letizia a lot and wish them well. They seem to have a strong marriage, if they adjust quickly and carve out their own roles for the good of Spain, I see a fabulous legacy.
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« Reply #45 on: June 09, 2014, 05:19:30 pm »

I was looking to see how old Letizia is and noticed that she shares her birthday with Prince Harry. She is a little bit older than Kate. I thought that they were a similar age or that Letizia was younger than Kate. 
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« Reply #46 on: June 09, 2014, 07:41:39 pm »

I was looking to see how old Letizia is and noticed that she shares her birthday with Prince Harry. She is a little bit older than Kate. I thought that they were a similar age or that Letizia was younger than Kate. 

She's 11 years Kate's senior, I think.



It would help me to know more about the fiscal stability of Spain to speak intelligently about what is or isn't best for the country nor what level of political mandates the King/Queen of Spain fall into.

My country is in the doldrums and it will be for many years to come.
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« Reply #47 on: June 09, 2014, 10:06:21 pm »

^Thank you re Spain's financial status.
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« Reply #48 on: June 09, 2014, 10:14:08 pm »

Sidney, my understanding is that Spain has been through a terrible recession that has effected a huge swathe of the population but is now slowly coming out the other side. Is this not true?
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« Reply #49 on: June 10, 2014, 04:31:55 am »

Behind every good king... Soon-to-be-Queen Letizia brings a touch of glamour to the proceedings as Spain welcomes Mexican president and wife to Madrid Palace
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2653068/Theres-life-old-king-King-Carlos-welcomes-Mexican-president-wife-Madrid-palace-ahead-parliament-voting-abdication.html

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« Reply #50 on: June 10, 2014, 04:45:14 am »

Behind every good king... Soon-to-be-Queen Letizia brings a touch of glamour to the proceedings as Spain welcomes Mexican president and wife to Madrid Palace
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2653068/Theres-life-old-king-King-Carlos-welcomes-Mexican-president-wife-Madrid-palace-ahead-parliament-voting-abdication.html

I shake my head and roll my eyes to the DM headline

I like the beginning of the second paragraph in the DM. 'The 41 year old divorcee....' How many years has it been since Letizia's divorce from her first husband? Or is the Daily Fail hinting at something!!
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« Reply #51 on: June 10, 2014, 11:04:27 am »

The coments are pretty bad for kate...
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« Reply #52 on: June 10, 2014, 04:01:09 pm »

Sidney, my understanding is that Spain has been through a terrible recession that has effected a huge swathe of the population but is now slowly coming out the other side. Is this not true?

Not at all. That's what our politicians say to "keep the masses at bay" but they are disproved by Brussels the following the day. Spain's unemployment rate surpasses 27%. As for youth unemployment: 56.1%

Go figure. I've been unemployed for 4 years now.
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« Reply #53 on: June 10, 2014, 07:02:56 pm »

Thank you for your 'on the ground' insight Sidney. It appears the Spanish government like to paint a rosier glow than is actually the case, just as they do in the UK. Do the people blame Felipe and Letizia in anyway for the current economical issues or is all the anger pointed at the government?
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« Reply #54 on: June 10, 2014, 08:03:42 pm »

People blame the government, of course, but Felipe and Letizia are the symbol of a system that's wrong on so many levels. They represent social inequality, elitism, unearned privileges, etc.
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« Reply #55 on: June 10, 2014, 08:04:42 pm »

Oh, God. Is this Daily Mail's new obsession?
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« Reply #56 on: June 10, 2014, 08:17:51 pm »

I understand that and I also get it that the anger about that inequality is getting bigger when more and more people find themselves on the wrong side of the spectrum, but do you think that a Republic would be the answer?

Whenever people try to win me over for the Republican ideal and use the 'but a president is cheaper', I can't help but laugh because I don't think a presidential system is necessarily cheaper. I mean, in France there are a number of former presidents at the moment; they all have a pension, their professional staff is still being paid for, as is an office. US presidents the same (and they have a security detail for at least 10 years after leaving office).

And yes, the Prince had doors opened for him without doing anything for it, but I'd think that the same applies for children of, say, FĂ©lipe Gonzalez, Nicolas Sarkozy or Bill Clinton.

I think that no society can be 100% equal and there will always be some form of elitism. The US, originally a country without classes, is proof of that. As was the communist USSR where the bosses of the communist party soon enough became the elitist class of their own, after vowing to abolish the elite and killing the tsar. And Putin isn't much different; he has accumulated 50 billion US dollars since becoming Russian president.
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« Reply #57 on: June 10, 2014, 09:35:59 pm »

Do we need a Spanish Government thread?  We're all way off topic here and I'm just as much to blame as the next guy.  Thank you.
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« Reply #58 on: June 10, 2014, 09:49:11 pm »

Countess, I would like to answer to your questions, but... 

If there is a thread to discuss this, I will gladly do so with you.

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« Reply #59 on: June 10, 2014, 09:52:09 pm »

Letizia looks like she can't even save herself from her interest in plastic surgery and starvation, how can she possibly save a monarchy?
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