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« Reply #60 on: January 18, 2012, 05:27:01 pm »

BTW the story of the affair was in a biography and I can't recall who wrote it but I am sure someone more knowledgeable than me will be able to fill in the gaps.

I think the book you're referring to, True Brit, is the one by Kitty Kelley.

Alexandrine, it's been, apparently, an open secret among the aristocracy for years.  I'm compiling some photos on Picasa, if anyone's interested:

 https://picasaweb.google.com/111399223239173244896/January182012#
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« Reply #61 on: January 20, 2012, 12:41:14 am »

^ Diana would hardly have any say in it at conception.  Don't be so rude describing other people's thoughts and opinions as silly.  If you don't want different opinions and speculations then don't come on this thread, there are plenty of others to keep you occupied.  PS on reflection, Diana has completely different features to that sketch of Cynthia, however, I can see her sister Sarah in Cynthia.

           Ah Kitty Kelley .. it must be true then ..

   How about this then   .. http://www.reptilianagenda.com/research/r112299b.shtml


      I am standing up for a kinswoman, who can no longer speak for herself.. and kindly dont be so bossy.

       I didnt call people or their opinions silly .. I said the topic and the very idea was silly.
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« Reply #62 on: January 20, 2012, 08:52:39 am »

No, it was Tina Brown not Kitty Kelley.  The topic is not silly.  This forum is called Royal Gossip, and it's a valid line of discussion seeing as it involves our future King.  See also Richard Ingram's piece in the Independent:


http://www.independent.co.uk/opinion/columnists/richard-ingrams/richard-ingrams-week-we-cant-go-on-blaming-the-system-for-drug-problems-899001.html

Diana IMO looks nothing like Cynthia Spencer  

http://www.google.com/imgres?q=cynthia+spencer&hl=en&biw=1259&bih=610&gbv=2&tbm=isch&tbnid=qgepLk3vdBU70M:&imgrefurl=http://royaldish.com/index.php%3Ftopic%3D6497.450&docid=QKZgMaaFJZeihM&imgurl=http://i1220.photobucket.com/albums/dd448/Neslisah/Britain01/CynthiaSpencerneHamiltonCountessSpencer.jpg&w=370&h=500&ei=ViwZT5DmBoyq8APrpNizCw&zoom=1&iact=hc&vpx=579&vpy=234&dur=2485&hovh=261&hovw=193&tx=127&ty=176&sig=114822162673464454564&page=2&tbnh=132&tbnw=98&start=21&ndsp=27&ved=1t:429,r:10,s:21

http://www.google.com/imgres?q=cynthia+spencer&hl=en&biw=1259&bih=610&gbv=2&tbm=isch&tbnid=sooPWDUaK6SibM:&imgrefurl=http://www.npg.org.uk/collections/search/portrait/mw165819/Cynthia-Spencer-ne-Hamilton-Countess-Spencer&docid=z1oc1lPJp7Im9M&imgurl=http://images.npg.org.uk/264_325/1/9/mw165819.jpg&w=240&h=325&ei=ViwZT5DmBoyq8APrpNizCw&zoom=1&iact=hc&vpx=540&vpy=114&dur=97&hovh=260&hovw=192&tx=101&ty=150&sig=114822162673464454564&page=1&tbnh=134&tbnw=115&start=0&ndsp=21&ved=1t:429,r:3,s:0

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« Reply #63 on: January 20, 2012, 05:29:47 pm »



       Constructive thing to say ... mmm The RF wanted Diana, with her Spencer genes, that go back to Kings of both England and Scotland... if this "rumour" has any truth to it at all..  Diana would have been backheeled before she even got in the running.

         They wanted a future King to have very British genes..  Gosh look how upset they were when Diana was "dating" a Moslem, who hailed from Egypt.

                Gossip away then.. it's your dime, as they say in the USA.

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« Reply #64 on: January 20, 2012, 09:31:37 pm »

A rumour is a rumour: sometimes it's a silly idea or a piece of PR gossip and sometimes it turns out to be true.
In this case the facts say that Diana was a Spencer, whether in blood or only in name doesn't matter to me!
We will never be able to prove it true or false because all of them are dead.
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Don't get wound up because of a rumour ppl and don't start  catfight because of it! Play nice or I'll close the topic.
PS we edited some comments that were off-topic and getting personal!

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« Reply #65 on: January 21, 2012, 02:00:17 am »



   Thank You Akasha  thankyou
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« Reply #66 on: January 21, 2012, 02:21:40 am »

'Was Sir James Goldsmith the father of Princess Diana? I was familiar with the rumour but recently what we journalists call a normally reliable source told me that it was a distinct possibility. Goldsmith had certainly been intimate with Mrs Shand Kydd and the dates all fitted. So why not?...if they might have a bearing on the future of the Royal Family, then perhaps there should be a proper inquiry and possibly even DNA testing.'
 

Extract from an article in The Independent, Saturday 16 August 2008

Very interesting piece from an intelligent and IMO respected journalist, Richard Ingrams

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« Reply #67 on: January 21, 2012, 02:32:59 am »



    Rumours about someone like Diana will continue to swirl for years.

It would seem Diana has a Facebook account.. and is apparently living in Cincinnati, Ohio

          http://www.facebook.com/pages/Diana-Princess-of-Wales/304104213697
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« Reply #68 on: January 21, 2012, 02:42:16 am »

That facebook account is a tribute to her, not that they think she is alive...in their info box, they state 'Diana, Princess of Wales. Gone but she will never be forgotten!'  They are just keeping her memory alive.
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« Reply #69 on: January 21, 2012, 03:21:15 am »

Even Elvis (the other King) has a FB page!
oh and BTW god, jesus, satan and buddah have FB as well, there must be one heck of a asl connection going upwards! tehe
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« Reply #70 on: January 21, 2012, 03:39:38 am »



    Heck I even have a FB account   there

    I did notice that Moooster.. thank you. easter-wink

      Bless FaceBook for we shall not go unknown into that great goodnight ..  reindeerdance
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« Reply #71 on: January 21, 2012, 04:35:12 am »

True a there are some gost FB accounts going around the ppl are dead but the account was not deleted,
One of my colleagues has one of those, he died last year of cancer but his fb is run by his wife in his name  thumbsup
They say you are only truly dead when nobody remembers you, so fb offers you immortality in a way!

Back on topic:
Even after all that time Diana and her actions are still in ppls memories, compare it to for instance queen mum who lived a lot longer and is already nearly forgotten by many!
but diana is still being talked about fifteen years later whether it's positive or negative doesn't matter that much.
To me she is immortal in a mostly positive way and that's something few ppl can say!  thumbsup
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« Reply #72 on: January 21, 2012, 04:43:47 am »

I love Diana, there'll never be another in the RF like her  bye  I'll never forget the day she died, it was my daughter's birthday and we spent all day watching the news and blubbing  sob
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« Reply #73 on: January 21, 2012, 10:35:10 pm »



     I was in Vancouver that day, watching a canadian football game with friends, when a news announcement broke in to say Dodi was dead and she had a broken arm.

     Then a while later another news report said she was dead... we were in all shock... many of us cried... the party broke up and many left.
 
      I felt so very sad for her boys and for a woman who was making a difference to this world.. she would have gotten a Nobel Peace Prize if she hadnt died.

     I watched her funeral, as I had watched her wedding, I shall never forget that time.

     She was unique, she was human and yes she made mistakes, and admitted to them, she had a rare gift for reaching out to people, the world is a sadder place without her.

      I love her too Mooster,  and yes Akasha she is immortal .. which must annoy the hell out of her idiot ex husband.
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« Reply #74 on: January 21, 2012, 11:14:16 pm »



   I just found this .. as to why Diana cannot be James' daughter.. sorry to double post ..

 http://www.dailymail.co.uk/tvshowbiz/article-315244/Were-Diana-Jemima-sisters.html
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« Reply #75 on: January 21, 2012, 11:45:14 pm »

There do seem to be conflicting articles about the amount of time that Frances spent in London i.e the Ingrams article.  There's no doubt that their marriage was in trouble after the birth of their son that died shortly after being born.  She definitely kept taking trips to London after Diana was born, taking tea in the Ritz etc like lots of bored, desperate, aristocratic housewives of that time and mixing with the Mayfair set that Goldsmith was part of, indeed, that's how she met Shand Kydd.

I'm still trying to read stuff and find out more about her before Diana was born, the impression I'm getting so far is that she was quite a good looking, sexy woman that men noticed...and not the nervy, wallflower type that some articles portray.  If she was unhappy in her marriage it would not be beyond the realms of fantasy that she got 'affection' elsewhere to make her feel valued...and from what I've read about Jimmy Goldsmith he would have been more than willing to supply the said 'affection'. 

Again, nothing can be proved, and it's all purely speculation - but for me, there's no smoke without fire, and I cannot ignore my gut feeling about this.  There's some pics of Diana with her family, as a child, and she just seems so different from the rest of them, not just her looks, it's just that whole vibe.  Goldsmith was a risk taker and unconventional and I get that same vibe from Diana.  I love and respect Diana, the person, I couldn't care less where she comes from.
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« Reply #76 on: January 22, 2012, 04:59:45 pm »


Sir James Goldsmith speaking:          http://sirjamesgoldsmith.com/#thinker/3

Princess Diana:             http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=endscreen&v=_AbiPCqi24A&NR=1

                                  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=isWhXKHqfkw&feature=related                             


Sir James and Diana even have the same measured speaking voice, mannerisms and facial expressions.  He also has that upward look, like her, when he speaks.
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« Reply #77 on: January 22, 2012, 05:05:32 pm »

But wouldn't be very "dangerous" for Frances to have an affair with Goldsmith and moreover a children with him before giving a heir to her husband? The aristo rule is for women to have an affair always after giving a heir not before. If Diana had not been a girl she would have been the next count spencer.
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« Reply #78 on: January 22, 2012, 05:31:55 pm »

Sir James Goldsmith speaking (I don't think my link on the other post worked)     http://www.sirjamesgoldsmith.com/#thinker/3

Princess Diana:             http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=endscreen&v=_AbiPCqi24A&NR=1

                                  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=isWhXKHqfkw&feature=related                              


Sir James and Diana even have the same measured speaking voice, mannerisms and facial expressions.  He also has that upward look, like her, when he speaks.


^ Yes, Alexandrine, it would have been 'dangerous' but Frances was very miserable and unhappy and probably wasn't thinking at all rationally.  She was terribly distraught and unhappy at the loss of her son, and the need to get away from her husband must have been overwhelming.  Apparently even before Diana's birth she was bored with provincial life and wanted to get to town more, she had frequent rows with her husband about her London trips.  Also, crucially Frances had income of her own apart from her husband, Viscount Spencer, who had very little money actually until he inherited the title of Earl from his father.  Goldsmith was definitely still in London at this time, hanging around with Aspinall and Shand Kydd, and its not too far of a stretch to imagine that their paths crossed e.g. in Claridges or somewhere like that.
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« Reply #79 on: January 22, 2012, 05:55:56 pm »

The thing is now if Diana was not a Spencer would that change now anything for William and Harry? Is there a law that forbids the throne for children of illegitimates?
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