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« Reply #20 on: October 17, 2012, 03:11:11 pm »

He was an experienced pilot, accidents happen.
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« Reply #21 on: October 17, 2012, 03:31:13 pm »

Aristotle Onassis son died in a plane crash

JFK Jr. died in a plane crash

(Kick) Kathleen Kennedy died in a plane crash

Joe Kennedy Jr. died in a plane crash while on a secret military mission

Prince William of Gloucester died in a plane crash
http://news.bbc.co.uk/onthisday/hi/dates/stories/august/28/newsid_2536000/2536275.stm
 

Sadly accidents do happen, no matter how skilled the pilots, in some cases.  bored3
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« Reply #22 on: October 17, 2012, 03:33:31 pm »

Don't forget the Duke of Kent.
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« Reply #23 on: October 17, 2012, 03:36:22 pm »

Did he die in a accident too?
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« Reply #24 on: October 17, 2012, 03:43:08 pm »

The father of the present duke died in a queer accident during WWII.

you can read more about it here http://royalgossip.forumprofi.de/index.php/topic,915.0.html
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« Reply #25 on: October 22, 2012, 06:08:07 am »

I find it admirable how it shows that being royal/conservative/traditional isn't exclusive to just reigning royalty, that you can be traditional with conservative moral values and have a successful career. That not all top tier career women/men are not classless tarts with no moral restraint. Top tier lineage (like Countess/GD Stephanie) have successful careers, palaces, solid moral values, and also apparently know how to enjoy life in decent ways. I think being in solid careers helps keep them exclusive.
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« Reply #26 on: October 30, 2012, 02:14:05 pm »

 Catherine Oxenberg- My mother’s triumph – exhumation & burial of Prince Paul of Yugoslavia



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“The arc of the moral universe bends slowly towards justice” – Martin Luther King Jr.

This beautiful quote epitomizes my grandfather, Prince Paul of Yugoslavia’s life. He has finally been vindicated, 35 years since his death, thanks to my mother’s 25-year struggle to clear his name.

This October, the Serbian government agreed to honor him as head of state, by giving him an official burial. His body had to be brought back from Switzerland, accompanied by his wife, Princess Olga and their son, Prince Nicholas.

The new president’s advisor, Oliver Antic, happened to be the lawyer who headed Mom’s legal team during the rehabilitation process last December. It was Oliver’s speech that that convinced the judges to overturn a 70-year verdict that falsely branded my grandfather a war criminal, traitor & Nazi sympathizer.

Now he was being brought home a hero.

On September 26th, I flew to Lausanne, Switzerland, with my mother, to witness the exhumation of our predecessors.

It was a mystery to me as to why they were all buried in Lausanne, as Nicky had died in a car accident in England in 1954, and my grandparents had both died in Paris – Paul in 1976 & Olga in 1997.
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Beautiful Catherine Oxenberg who portrayed Diana Princess of Wales in two movies about Diana's early courtship and marriage to Charles.

I could never understand why Catherine turned down Pr.Andrew's possible proposal when he approached her about dating and possible marriage between them if it worked out. She didn't want him  blink(this was when he met her sometime during the Royal wedding of Charles and Diana)  but  instead she ended up in several bad marriages one of which lasted about two weeks to a film director. Now she is married to a actor a very nice guy with who they have a good marriage, but  I wonder why if she is so into her heritage and background that she went out of her way to avoid all possible royal and aristocratic men who pursued her ....and from what I understand there were several who sought her out as a possible bride.

My friend was in a a sharing group with Catherine about low self-esteem, my friend couldn't tell me all the details because it was part of their therapy, but she did tell me that Catherine was beautiful, stunningly beautiful in person, had all the manners of a regal Princess, but that she suffered from terribly low self esteem, she never saw herself as worthy of anything. My friend was working as a secretary and had been through a big emotional trauma, so she couldn't believe this Princess was sitting there with self esteem lower than hers.

I wonder why she didn 't at least give Andrew a try. Why not date him and see where it went? Now she seems to be honoring her heritage again.
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« Reply #27 on: October 31, 2012, 12:17:44 am »

Catherine would have made a beautiful Duchess of York, but do you think she would have ended up divorced?  Also I the competition between Catherine and Diana would have been enormous.  I can't imagine her staying with Andrew though.
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« Reply #28 on: October 31, 2012, 12:36:16 am »

I think some of these princesses,princes or aristocrats think the grass is greener and then grow and mature a bit a find out it's not.

I think she and Diana or she and Prince Charles are cousins, I think Diana and Catherine would have had a lot in common but also been competitive.
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« Reply #29 on: October 31, 2012, 12:46:48 am »

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I think some of these princesses,princes or aristocrats think the grass is greener and then grow and mature a bit a find out it's not.

There is an irony that the commoners they marry are more enthralled with the title than the people born to it, often resulting in a divorce.

As for Prince Andrew, the British press would have gone insane with dislike since after all, foreigners seem to be unwelcome in regards to marrying the RF.
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« Reply #30 on: October 31, 2012, 11:59:40 am »

Catherine Oxenberg playing Princess Diana in a movie from earky 90's?

The scene where they bring her to the Palace and tell her what is expected of her, is interesting. I wonder if Kate went through that?

Charles and Diana - A Palace Divided (Unhappily Ever After) here's the link... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rSglF6R08tM&feature=related


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« Reply #31 on: November 07, 2012, 11:45:06 am »

I always wondered, why on earth do the British aristocrats not mingle more with the Continental aristocracy? I mean, Diana could have gone to places like France or anywhere else (Italy perhaps?) and she could have married a prince, gotten her HRH, but not had to do public duties. A lot of dethroned, but prominent dynasties. I wonder how interesting it would have been to see a Romanov (converted to Protestantism) married to Charles, or a French aristocrat (converted to Protestantism)?

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Also I the competition between Catherine and Diana would have been enormous.


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Catherine would have made a beautiful Duchess of York,

I think that it would have been a delight for the press, TWO blonde, elegant royal women to fawn/write/gossip over and two royal weddings with blondes in a tiara.

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I can't imagine her staying with Andrew though

Depends. Catherine might have ended up more independent and more interested in her own life rather than running after celebs.

but do you think she would have ended up divorced? .

Only if the press abuse got so bad, or if the family dynamics were too unhealthy ot remain in. I don't think the women who have lived overseas think that being tormented on a regular basis is worth 'duty'.

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« Reply #32 on: November 07, 2012, 09:15:16 pm »

Kuei Fei, as you have mentioned the Romanovs, does a member of The Ortodox Church, when wanting to marry into the BRF, have to really convert and become a member of the Anglican Church? Because I think that the ban is still only on the Catholics...
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« Reply #33 on: November 07, 2012, 10:51:04 pm »

I believe so, but sometimes people on here suggest otherwise.
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« Reply #34 on: November 25, 2012, 07:09:20 pm »

I recommend this reading to anyone interested in spanish nobility http://elpais.com/elpais/2012/11/23/gente/1353692623_441411.html is about the present problems to inherit titles.

There is one comment that fascinates me, it's from a lawyer specialise in nobility. Well she says that although now there is no discrimination between men and women, there is still no equality because not every sibiling inherits. But the nobility is de facto a discriminatory idea, what the h+ll?
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« Reply #35 on: November 25, 2012, 08:08:46 pm »

Wow, that was an incredible article, Alexandra!

I love how it touches on the inconvenience of uniting noble houses through marriage, as the consequence of that practice over the centuries has resulted in cases like that of Vicente Pío Osorio de Moscoso, who had 109 titles  blink and how only 10 houses keep over 200 titles for themselves and their future progeny, when more are having to be created to compensate for siblings and other family members who have lost them due to inheritance laws.

I think one of the most interesting tidbits is this:
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Y es que los nobles viven pendientes del árbol genealógico, al acecho de títulos vacantes o dinastías al borde de la extinción, porque los títulos siguen siendo un bien preciado. Por más que ya no vayan acompañados de privilegio alguno (el último, el derecho de los Grandes de España a llevar pasaporte diplomático, desapareció en 1984) y estén desvinculados del patrimonio desde el siglo XIX. Pero son importantes socialmente. En estos tiempos en los que triunfa el igualitarismo más total, un título es algo que distingue. Ninguna condecoración, ni siquiera la más alta, como el Collar de la Orden de Carlos III, vale tanto como un título que el Rey da.

It basically talks about how despite title-holders having no benefit at all (no lands since the XIX century, no right to diplomatic passports since 1984), they're valuable socially because they set you apart from the rest in an egalitarian society. So much so, that not even receiving the Order of Carlos II has as much weight as a title given by the king.
And so the article details the legal battles families go through to keep, or rehabilitate unused titles.


Alexandra, do you know if the title Grandeza de España can be inherited?
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« Reply #36 on: November 25, 2012, 08:15:57 pm »

Yes, they can also be transmitted. The Duchess of Alba has given her children titles with the Grandeza, for ex http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eugenia_Mart%C3%ADnez_de_Irujo,_12th_Duchess_of_Montoro

I don't see the problem with having a lot of titles, if they have a right to them why not? Usually the families with so many titles share them between them as in the Duchess of Alba case. I think the creation of new titles to "compensate" is not something usual as you need to be very close to the king to ask for the favour.

P.S: there also should be an addition to this article about the bad relationship between the most important group of aristos and the RF because of the recent law of inheritance.
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« Reply #37 on: November 28, 2012, 01:48:37 am »


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Count Patrick of Faber-Castell and his wife actress Mariella Ahrens have seperated.   announcement  http://ow.ly/f2VQH

 Rumours say that they drifted apart. He prefers to stay home/spend time with friends, she enjoys glamorous (charity) events.  
 

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« Reply #38 on: November 28, 2012, 03:55:16 am »

There is a reason men are warned not to marry actresses.

These women are not cut out for the conformity of the royal lifestyle and they are not interested in routine life. Are there no nice girls who would make nice wives or all aristocratic men more interested in unstable drama queens?
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The marriage between actress Mariella Ahrens and her husband, Patrick Graf von Faber-Castell, the brink of extinction
Mariella Ahrens and Patrick von Faber-Castell has failed after six years.

"They have decided to go separate ways," said the management of the actress. BUNTE.de





Poor guy, he really loved and adored her. She wants out after six years.
A reporter said they are parting on friendly terms.











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