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« Reply #20 on: August 11, 2013, 04:27:43 pm »

Princess Margaret, AKA Slaggy Maggie wasn’t afraid to put it about a bit either. She too was an alcoholic. There are far too many tales of scandal surrounding Slaggy Maggie(SM) to detail them all in this article but it is a fact that she had a penchant for married men and gangsters. Never the less, with SM being the naughty sister (not easy to achieve with such stiff opposition), I think we need to look at the more juicer ones.

In the early 1970’s a gang of criminals tunnelled their way into the Baker St branch of Lloyds bank. Once inside, the gang made off with 268 safety deposit boxes, thought to contain over £5Million at today’s prices.

Unfortunately for all concerned, the gang were quickly apprehended.  What then followed was a massive cover up which saw a blanket ban on the press reporting details of the crime (proof of how the media are gagged as and when it suits the Royal family). Finally, in 2008 – 6 yrs after SM’s death – The Daily Mirror grew a backbone (Or they were given permission) and released details of the crime.

Bear in mind that the Mirror Group PLC is part of the Corporate owned mainstream media and as such, the full and frank details will have more than certainly been played down. Never the less, this is what they had to say on the matter:

“Despite massive interest in the crime, details about the loot and the criminals responsible were immediately suppressed by MI5 and senior government officials.

Speculation quickly arose that compromising sexual photographs of the Queen’s sister, the late Princess Margaret, had been uncovered in the bank vault. It was rumoured they had been stashed away by well-known underworld figure Michael X. A drug dealer and Black Power leader, he was convicted of murder and hanged in Trinidad in 1975. A government file on him will remain closed until 2054 (Ask yourself why – Spivey).

The Mirror can for the first time reveal that Fleet Street editors of the day were approached directly by senior government officials and told to drop the story.

The four men caught, charged and convicted of the raid went to jail without ever having their names mentioned in the press, and to this day their identities and the circumstances of their capture remain secret. Even the lengths of their sentences are still shrouded in mystery”.

Now, that kind of ‘sweeping under the carpet’ doesn’t happen for a few saucy snap shots does it. However, as you carry on reading the article more murky details begin to emerge:

 “One of the men, in his 70s, has spoken to the Mirror from his home in Europe. The ex-gang member said he was terrified to discover one box belonged to the-then head of the judiciary.

He said: “It was owned by Quintin Hogg, the Lord Chancellor.

When we opened it we dropped it on the floor like it was a time bomb. We didn’t want to take anything that might give us extra trouble so we left it. All we wanted was cash and jewels.”

But the gang didn’t have time to go through all of the stash and ended up taking some sensitive material.

The ex-raider, who refused to be identified, said last night: “When we got out we realised we had a lot more than we’d bargained for[...] At the time of the robbery, in September 1971, Princess Margaret’s marriage to the Earl of Snowdon was in its final stages.

In the 60s and 70s she was known to party hard on the Caribbean island of Mustique, where she was famously pictured with lover Roddy Llewellyn, a landscape gardener 17 years her junior.

She is said to have taken snaps of male friends frolicking naked but it is not known if any were ever taken of her [...] when we asked the ex-raider he refused to deny the rumours. He said: “I can’t talk about that. But we did find a lot of guns.

And what was most disturbing was the child pornography we found.

We were disgusted and left it in their open boxes so police could trace the owners”.

The Daily Mail may however, have inadvertently clarified the rumour surrounding the Photograph’s of the naked men frolicking, in an article they did on Princess SM following her death.

The article told of the wild parties that she was so fond of hosting and mentioned one in particular in which:

“The landscape gardener, Roddy Llewellyn, Colin Tennant, and Nicholas Courtney all stripped naked and were photographed by Margaret”.

As you may have also noticed, I underlined the words that the Bank Robber used in the Daily Mirror article pertaining to his reply as to the boxes contents; “I can’t talk about that”.

Those words strongly back up what I believe to be true about people being left in no doubt as to what will happen to them if they blab.

Look at the facts surrounding the case logically – A major cover up took place, with the Mirror admitting themselves that the media were gagged at the time. Usually, catching those responsible for such a major Robbery would have been excellent PR for the Police and been headline news for weeks. You only have to look at the Great Train Robbery to know that.

Then when ‘some’ of the details of the Bank Robbery are finally released after 35 years, the gang member being interviewed about it still wishes to remain anonymous.

Furthermore, he is still too scared to talk about exactly what it was that they found. Why? After all, the man has done his time so there is nothing to stop him potentially making £Millions from whatever it was that he and his accomplices  discovered… Yet all he has to say is  “I can’t talk about that”. I find that very, very strange.

Neither is that the first time that people with information pertaining to the Royal Family have been scared into silence. As this article pointed out earlier, James Hewitt was left in no doubt as to what would happen if he decided to ‘spill the

 goodpost  And one assumes that this again is only a small tip of the iceberg.  And we, Joe Public, are expected to pay for all this, about time more people knew about this and realise just what a rough lot the royals actually are.  They think they can get away with anything  -  I think those days re long gone.
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« Reply #21 on: August 11, 2013, 08:17:01 pm »

The Queen did nothing to help her sister re: The Townsend affair. Yet did nothing to stop the Charles-Camilla relationship and marriage. I don't think Margaret was all that much in love with Townsend--she could have married him and there was no chance she would succeed her sistet as monarch. Even if she had to give up the perks, I think she would have down the road gotten them back particularly if her nephew got to marry Camila and keep his place in line of succession.
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« Reply #22 on: August 11, 2013, 11:19:37 pm »

The issue of Margaret give Townsend up was related to money... not her chances to throne/be in line of sucession. I have never read in any place the feelings of Margaret for Towsend being downplayed but the only reason for have decided marry someone else was because himself had married, what's telling as she feels for him IMO. She was extremely spoiled I'm not surprised she was afraided lost her grand lifestyle for any man.
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« Reply #23 on: August 12, 2013, 02:43:49 am »

^And that's why I would not want to be a royal. Sure it's a glamorous lifestyle, but none of them are truly happy. That's why we get people like Kate marrying in....... sigh
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« Reply #24 on: August 12, 2013, 03:59:26 am »

Well said! thumbsup IMO Kate is a consequence or sign that William isnt truly a very happy person but someone else settled in a situation he feels (made him) unhappy.
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« Reply #25 on: August 12, 2013, 09:20:27 pm »

The issue of Margaret give Townsend up was related to money... not her chances to throne/be in line of sucession. I have never read in any place the feelings of Margaret for Towsend being downplayed but the only reason for have decided marry someone else was because himself had married, what's telling as she feels for him IMO. She was extremely spoiled I'm not surprised she was afraided lost her grand lifestyle for any man.

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   Having met the woman a few times, I have to say she was a rude, arrogant, and spoiled snob.

    Thank goodness Elizabeth was the first daughter born.
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« Reply #26 on: August 12, 2013, 09:56:44 pm »

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/in_depth/uk/2002/princess_margaret/default.stm

http://scandalouswoman.blogspot.com.es/2008/01/royal-princess-royal-scandal-sad-life.html

I've just realised we don't have a thread to discuss Margaret's life so please do it here!

Do you think she still loved Townsend?

I liked margaret,I guess the heirs are proper while the spares are wild.margaret was sad in later years.no love and failing health

It was sad for the queen mother to lose her daughter then the queen mother died soon after



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   Having met the woman a few times, I have to say she was a rude, arrogant, and spoiled snob.wow, I read a book that had maggie as the nicer of the two sisters.I read the young queen scream at staff when they messed up.the queen screamed at a chaeffeur who didn't open the door for her.the chaeffeur said margaret saw the incident and try to make him feel better saying not to let that bother him.

    

Thank goodness Elizabeth was the first daughter born.

The queen let charles marry and not her sister because it was a different era.margarets time wasn't far removed from the edward the eighth.while charles and camilla are decades later when society has changed.

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« Reply #27 on: August 13, 2013, 04:49:35 pm »

The marriage (and civil ceremony) of C and C was considered controversial and some question the validity of the marriage.  Townsend and Margaret were considered by some a real love story. C and C had some of the public consider them in a  sordid mess of a relationship despite the Great Love Spin. Margaret was single, Townsend was divorced when they were involved. Camilla made sure Diana had no chance with Charles. Also it appears Camilla was rewarded for her wrongdoing and given and HRH which some resented.

The Queen tended to ostrich in any case and was very passive re: Margaret. She let the C and C relationship get out of hand for years by her ostriching and had little choice but to "let them" marry. 
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« Reply #28 on: August 13, 2013, 09:57:28 pm »

I remember reading the story of Elizabeth Taylor and Princess M, some do with Dick Burton. Elizabeth had this famous diamond ring ( not sure what is the name of it ) and PM said it was gross or un classy or words to that effect. Elizabeth offered her ring for PM to try on, and she did.Then Elizabeth said, some like ' not so crass now is it ?

Do any of them ever really fall in love

Margaret and Townsend - My mother told me many years ago, it was such a grand affair

The only ones that display love .......the lessor royals down the food chain. Lady Helen etc and Lady Sarah Chatto etc
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« Reply #29 on: August 17, 2013, 12:04:51 am »

Princess Margaret, AKA Slaggy Maggie wasn’t afraid to put it about a bit either. She too was an alcoholic. There are far too many tales of scandal surrounding Slaggy Maggie(SM) to detail them all in this article but it is a fact that she had a penchant for married men and gangsters. Never the less, with SM being the naughty sister (not easy to achieve with such stiff opposition), I think we need to look at the more juicer ones.


Riveting  goodpost mysha!
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« Reply #30 on: August 17, 2013, 08:31:50 pm »

The issue of Margaret give Townsend up was related to money... not her chances to throne/be in line of sucession. I have never read in any place the feelings of Margaret for Towsend being downplayed but the only reason for have decided marry someone else was because himself had married, what's telling as she feels for him IMO. She was extremely spoiled I'm not surprised she was afraided lost her grand lifestyle for any man.

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   Having met the woman a few times, I have to say she was a rude, arrogant, and spoiled snob.

    Thank goodness Elizabeth was the first daughter born.

Please, DO expand on this! Circumstances, what was said or done, what was served for tea, etc.   flirt queeny
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« Reply #31 on: December 19, 2013, 11:11:48 pm »

Accountant who believes he is secret illegitimate son of Princess Margaret wins legal victory in bid to see her will
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2526551/Accountant-believes-secret-illegitmate-son-Princess-Margaret-wins-legal-victory-bid-will.html#ixzz2nxtj0TxO
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Mr Brown has said he will never give up the battle to prove his royal heritage. He believes he was born to Princess Margaret in 1955 and his father was possibly Robin Douglas Home.

He claims that the later stages of her pregnancy were covered up with the use of body doubles and that he was sent to Kenya to be brought up as the child of Cynthia and Douglas Brown in Nairobi.

Mr Brown believes the documents he wants disclosed will reveal that Buckingham Palace, the Attorney General and a senior judge acted together to maintain secrecy around the Queen’s sister’s last testament, which, he hopes, contain details of his birth.

His claims were dismissed by lawyers for the royal family in a previous court hearing as that of 'a fantasist seeking to feed his private obsession'.

But he insists he has the right to find out if the Queen’s sister was his mother.

Records show Mr Brown, who lives in the Jersey parish of St Lawrence, was born on 5 January 1955 in Nairobi, Kenya, but his birth was not registered until February 2.

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« Reply #32 on: December 19, 2013, 11:23:22 pm »

This is so fun. But I doubt there is something on the will and if there is they won't show the real one IMO.
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« Reply #33 on: December 20, 2013, 02:12:28 am »

I agree if they've hed this secret birth for this long I highly doubt PM put it in her will that she had a son
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« Reply #34 on: December 20, 2013, 03:07:26 pm »

Sad story, not sure he will get the closure he wants, one way or the other.  But, it is not inconceivable that PM had a soft turn in her old age.  Sometimes, as people age and get ill, a lot of things they did and shrugged off, they come back to mind and they start to feel guilty about them, dwell on them, and think they may be able to put it right if they put something in the will and it will be sorted out when they die.  Not saying that is the case here, but it is a possibility.  whether or not they can hide things from the will I do not know, what we do know is the the rf have people to sort most of their messes out for them.
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« Reply #35 on: September 22, 2017, 11:36:18 am »

Grander than the Queen and ruder than Prince Philip!: Princess Margaret insisted her friends call her Ma’am and even found her own grandmother a bit common

    Intricate details of the life of Princess Margaret are uncovered in new biography
    Called ma'am darling by her intimate friends, she flourished from her royal status
    The daughter of a King and sister to a Queen, her lavish lifestyle is laid bare


Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/home/books/article-4907380/Grander-Queen-ruder-Prince-Philip.html

What a piece of work.

"Princess Margaret always liked to arrive late, ‘delaying dinner to catch up with her punishing schedule of drinking and smoking’. No one could make their departure, either, before she’d gone. ‘No one leaves my presence until I give them permission to do so,’ she’d bark. When a pregnant lady groped for a chair, she said: ‘One does not sit before Royalty sits.’

Princess Margaret thought her own grandmother, Queen Mary, a bit common — the daughter of a German duke, she’d only married royalty and possessed no intrinsic first-class royal blood.

Queen Elizabeth the Queen Mother, the daughter only of a Scottish earl, was similarly looked down upon and treated needlingly. ‘I’m quite used to it,’ the Queen Mother sighed with forbearance."

"Water had to be Malvern — never out of a tap. Whisky was Famous Grouse. Or else. There was no such thing as scrambled eggs. ‘We call them buttered eggs.’ Brown says ‘there was always an element of Hyacinth Bucket about her’, as she stood on ceremony, ruffling feathers and saying the wrong thing. She once asked a chap hobbling about on sticks: ‘Have you ever looked at yourself in the mirror and seen the way you walk?’

The explanation for her behaviour isn’t hard to work out. She was trying to be important, because her sister the Queen was and she wasn’t."
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« Reply #36 on: September 22, 2017, 03:05:22 pm »

Charming!   queeny she wishes.

For all her faults, HM is a paragon of virtue next to the wastrel that was her sister.

And how rude of her not to allow a heavily pregnant woman to sit down. She possessed appallingly  bad manners for one born so supposedly high in society.  ick

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« Reply #37 on: September 22, 2017, 04:05:11 pm »

Royals aren't supposed to put other people out and disrupt their lives; it's supposed to be the other way around.
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« Reply #38 on: October 01, 2017, 12:48:10 am »

Grander than the Queen and ruder than Prince Philip!: Princess Margaret insisted her friends call her Ma’am and even found her own grandmother a bit common

    Intricate details of the life of Princess Margaret are uncovered in new biography
    Called ma'am darling by her intimate friends, she flourished from her royal status
    The daughter of a King and sister to a Queen, her lavish lifestyle is laid bare


Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/home/books/article-4907380/Grander-Queen-ruder-Prince-Philip.html

What a piece of work.

"Princess Margaret always liked to arrive late, ‘delaying dinner to catch up with her punishing schedule of drinking and smoking’. No one could make their departure, either, before she’d gone. ‘No one leaves my presence until I give them permission to do so,’ she’d bark. When a pregnant lady groped for a chair, she said: ‘One does not sit before Royalty sits.’

Princess Margaret thought her own grandmother, Queen Mary, a bit common — the daughter of a German duke, she’d only married royalty and possessed no intrinsic first-class royal blood.

Queen Elizabeth the Queen Mother, the daughter only of a Scottish earl, was similarly looked down upon and treated needlingly. ‘I’m quite used to it,’ the Queen Mother sighed with forbearance."

"Water had to be Malvern — never out of a tap. Whisky was Famous Grouse. Or else. There was no such thing as scrambled eggs. ‘We call them buttered eggs.’ Brown says ‘there was always an element of Hyacinth Bucket about her’, as she stood on ceremony, ruffling feathers and saying the wrong thing. She once asked a chap hobbling about on sticks: ‘Have you ever looked at yourself in the mirror and seen the way you walk?’

The explanation for her behaviour isn’t hard to work out. She was trying to be important, because her sister the Queen was and she wasn’t."

Her grandmother, Queen Mary, had more true royal blood in her than she had. The article must be nonsense - Queen Mary was a great-granddaughter of King George III. And SHE married a great-great grandson of his, so cannot understand the snobbery. But a lot of accounts heard it was the Queen who looked down on HER OWN MOTHER, not Meggie. Either or, pretty stupid to do so.
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« Reply #39 on: October 01, 2017, 01:06:05 pm »

^ Yes, incredibly stupid either way. The argument here in this article on why Margaret was the one to look down on Mary & Liz her mother, is that Marg saw herself as incredibly special and more "up" than anyone else (bar Liz her sister), because she was the "daughter of a king and the sister of a queen".
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