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« Reply #140 on: March 24, 2015, 06:37:38 pm »

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Prime Minister of Barbados says he wants to replace the Queen as head of state. Expect a royal visit to Barbados imminently!



YUP YUP tehe . who will they send William and Kate or Harry  sigh


Barbados is not the only Caribbean island ready to do that.
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« Reply #141 on: March 25, 2015, 10:25:18 am »

^ ^ OK ... isn't something they all say to look cool but ends up being an awkward moment when they actually meet Liz?  tehe At least that is what it looks to me ...
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« Reply #142 on: March 25, 2015, 09:24:28 pm »

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If Barbados becomes a republic will it reignite the debate in the other 14 realms? Australia, New Zealand, Jamaica to name three
The Jamaican Prime Minister talked of the country becoming a republic in 2012 but it has yet to happen. Think Barbados might beat them to it
The last country to drop the Queen as head of state and become e republic within the Commonwealth was Mauritius in 1992
@BritishMonarchy says that the head of state in Barbados is a "matter for the government and people of Barbados". The standard response
Will Prince Harry be sent to Barbados or will Kate's maternity leave be interrupted? Everything to play for in the Caribbean #republic



PM says Barbados moving towards Republic.
http://www.jamaicaobserver.com/latestnews/PM-says-Barbados-moving-towards-Republic
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« Reply #143 on: March 25, 2015, 10:23:41 pm »

I hope they do become a republic before Chucky & Son of Chucky (Harry gets a pass) take the throne.
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« Reply #144 on: March 26, 2015, 01:44:52 am »

Victoria Murphy @QueenVicMirror 

If Barbados becomes a republic will it reignite the debate in the other 14 realms? Australia, New Zealand, Jamaica to name three
The Jamaican Prime Minister talked of the country becoming a republic in 2012 but it has yet to happen. Think Barbados might beat them to it
The last country to drop the Queen as head of state and become e republic within the Commonwealth was Mauritius in 1992
@BritishMonarchy says that the head of state in Barbados is a "matter for the government and people of Barbados". The standard response
Will Prince Harry be sent to Barbados or will Kate's maternity leave be interrupted? Everything to play for in the Caribbean #republic

PM says Barbados moving towards Republic.
http://www.jamaicaobserver.com/latestnews/PM-says-Barbados-moving-towards-Republic

It's not like the royals spend any time in these countries; frankly the royals are only interested in Mustique and other jet set places, not the Barbados or Jamaica, which surprises me. I mean, fabulous everything in each country and they pretty much pass it by treating it with diffidence.
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« Reply #145 on: March 26, 2015, 02:36:23 am »

The Queen and the Duke of Edinburgh have visited Barbados lots of times. The Queen visited between Feb 1966 and March 1994 six times in 1966, 1975, 1977, 1985, 1989, and 1994.

Prince Charles visited in 1970, Anne in 2011. She is President and Patron of the Caribbean-Canada Emerging Leaders Dialogue, a Commonwealth initiative. (Canada and Barbados are close.)

The Wessexes visited Barbados in Feb 2014 on behalf of the Duke of Edinburgh's International Award.

Barbados will stay within the Commonwealth, regardless, and as the Queen is the Head of the Commonwealth, although she will no doubt be personally sad IF Barbados becomes a republic, it doesn't make much difference to her position in a practical sense.
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« Reply #146 on: March 26, 2015, 11:09:33 am »

It WILL make a difference, not to her but for the future. The Head of the Commonwealth is not automatically a prerogative of the British monarch, which is why Charles is getting a bigger role in the Commonwealth at the moment, as to prepare him for a possible vote by the Heads of Government of these countries.

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Q: Who will be the next Head of The Commonwealth?

A: The choice of successive Heads will be made collectively by Commonwealth leaders.

When more and more members of the Commonwealth become Republics, the chances of the governments automatically choosing Charles as Head of the Commonwealth are getting smaller with each monarchy-turned-republic.
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« Reply #147 on: March 26, 2015, 11:53:23 am »

Charles may very well get to be Head. A politician or president of a particular Commonwealth country elected to that role may well present its own difficulties. The Commonwealth needs a permanent Head as the Queen has been, and politicians face elections every three or four years. That would be great, clashing with CHOGMs. We know what would come first!
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« Reply #148 on: August 05, 2015, 02:16:43 pm »

Interesting article from today

Why are Aborigines barred from being Australia's head of state?

August 5, 2015 - 1:21PM
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Aborigines might well have occupied this country for 40,000 years, but the uncomfortable fact is that they are barred from the supreme constitutional position in their own country.

http://www.theage.com.au/comment/why-are-aborigines-barred-from-being-australias-head-of-state-20150805-girwkt.html
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« Reply #149 on: August 05, 2015, 06:54:58 pm »

This is racism, pure and simple.
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« Reply #150 on: August 05, 2015, 10:41:07 pm »

It has nothing to do with racism.

No Australia - regardless of race - can be out Head of State. Our Head of State is an 89 year old woman living in another country.

Aborigines have been governors of states and could be GG if selected although none has so far been put forward for that position.

The only position an Aborigine can't hold in Australia is that of Head of State - but then nor can any Australian.

Further to my last post - Douglas Nicholls was the first aborigine to be appointed as a State Governor when he was appointed as Governor of South Australia in 1976. He was also the first Aborigine to be knighted.

A number of Aborigines have been elected to a range of different parliaments starting with Neville Bonner as a Senator in 1971.

The Northern Territory has had an Aborigine as the Chief Minister of the territory government.

As I said, like the rest of Australians - the only position an Aborigine can't hold is that of Head of State and that is because the Head of State is a foreigner.

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« Reply #151 on: December 15, 2015, 05:29:13 am »

Barbados wants to ditch the Queen on the 50th anniversary of its independence

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/barbados-wants-to-ditch-the-queen-on-the-50th-anniversary-of-its-independence-a6772571.html
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« Reply #152 on: December 15, 2015, 02:44:13 pm »

Great news, bring it on.  Might find more start falling away and having their own heads of state as well.  About time they caught up, all a bit antiquated now and time to modernise and move on.
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« Reply #153 on: December 15, 2015, 08:48:25 pm »

When the Queen began her reign she was Queen of over 50 different countries. She is now Queen of 16. She has seen many countries become republics and have their own Heads of State but she is still personally very popular in those countries.

If Barbados follows the lead of the vast majority of Commonwealth countries, since the first republics in 1947 (India and Pakistan), they will do so with the good-will of The Queen.

I remember when she was asked, in 1999, what she thought about the then upcoming Australian referendum on becoming a republic and she replied 'it is a matter for the Australian people'. She accepted a long time ago that these countries would probably become republics and hasn't stood in their way but helped them as she can, still visited them, and hosted their leaders at the annual CHOGM meetings.
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« Reply #154 on: January 25, 2016, 03:43:00 pm »

Is it Jamaica or Barbados giving up HM as head of state for them, whichever one is the other says it will follow suit.  Now we have Australia very heavily on the case, and I have read in recent times Canda is just waiting for HM to pass and it too will want its own head of state.

http://www.ibtimes.co.uk/australian-leaders-overwhelmingly-back-constitution-change-republic-1539829
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« Reply #155 on: January 25, 2016, 04:01:21 pm »

once Australia and Canada start have serious talks about leaving then HM perk up.Yup once HM pass majority of Commonwealth countries will leave that's all the waiting for
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« Reply #156 on: January 25, 2016, 08:51:58 pm »

^ Other than the Queen being Head of it, the Commonwealth as an organisation has nothing to do with the British monarchy. The majority of countries in the commonwealth are republics anyway. All the leaders have met the Queen and will be sorry when she dies, but their countries won't be leaving. There are countries that have applied to join that were never in the British Empire.
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« Reply #157 on: January 25, 2016, 09:11:56 pm »

Not only have countries that were never part of the Empire applied to join but some are already members of the Commonwealth e.g. Mozambique (had been a Portuguese colony), Rwanda (former Belgian colony)

Australia has seriously discussed becoming a republic in the past - 1999 to be precise, when we voted to become a republic and said 'no thanks'.

One day we probably will but there has never been any suggestion that we would leave the Commonwealth.

Even Barbados and Jamaica who have both raised the republican issue in more recent years have indicated no intention of leaving the Commonwealth.

By the time William becomes King I suspect there will be fewer than 10 countries of which he will be King but that the Commonwealth will be stronger than it is now. Whether he would be the Head of the Commonwealth is a different matter - as that position isn't hereditary although when asked the former PM, and arch republican Julia Gillard said that she expected that Charles would take over from his mother when the time came.
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« Reply #158 on: January 25, 2016, 09:24:09 pm »

http://www.torontosun.com/2015/09/06/monarchy-will-be-hard-sell-after-queen-elizabeth

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The Queen is a dignified and regal figure. For decades Canadians have seen her as a motherly and now grandmotherly symbol of stability.

But neither her son Prince Charles, nor his sons Prince William and Prince Harry, carry the same heft as does the matriarch of the house of Windsor. Particularly not the playboy Harry, of whom there are many pictures of him online behaving, let’s just say, less than regal.

When one of these men ascends to the throne — Charles being next in line — there will be a lot of questions.

One will be costs. Shelling out to change all the pictures, symbols and lettering to match the new king will reignite the money conversation.


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How much do we pay by maintaining our relationship with the monarchy? According to the Monarchist League of Canada: “The routine cost of the Canadian Crown in 2011-2012 was $56,878,538 or $1.63 per Canadian.”

The year we have a new monarch, those costs will skyrocket. Maybe that’s the year we bid adieu to the bizarre paternalistic relationship we have with the British monarchy. Time to set us free. Time to be more than just a colony. After all, our prime minister already sits beside theirs at the G7. We’ve been at the big kids table for a while now.

Also it’s not like we’re suddenly going to lose our ties to our heritage. Regardless of how we’re classified in terms of being a Commonwealth country or our connection to the monarchy, we’ll always be part of what Winston Churchill called the “English-speaking peoples.” We just won’t be inferior in a symbolic sense.

Stability. Tradition. Culture. History. These are all wonderful things, but it’s about time Canada embraced these values in a standalone fashion — rather than relying on the symbolism of a monarch from across the pond to bolster our pride.


$56M+ is a lot of dough no matter how you break it down.
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« Reply #159 on: January 25, 2016, 10:36:19 pm »

^ It would be extremely difficult constitutionally for Canada to become a republic. Each Province has its own relationship with the monarchy, (the Queen is Queen of each province) so each province's assembly would have to agree. All of them.  A Yes vote would have to be required at the same time by Canada's federal government in Ottowa. I can't see politicians acting without a groundswell from the Canadian public, which there isn't at the moment. If there was then there would almost certainly have to be a referendum/plebiscite on the issue with the Canadian population and that would have to return a Yes vote also.

As was pointed out in the article, the cost of the monarchy per each Canadian is negligible.

Even in Australia, as the PM pointed out, nothing will be done until after the Queen's death with reference to a referendum here. There have been only eight Yes amendments changing the Constitution here in Australia since Federation, so, just as in 1999, the vote may very well fail next time as well.

Neither Australia nor Canada would be leaving the Commonwealth even if they were republics.
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