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Title: Queen Mary never loved her husband George V and couldn’t stand Margot
Post by: dianab on August 17, 2018, 01:27:57 am
The Queen so mean she gave her friends old flowers: What’s more, Queen Mary never loved her husband George V and couldn’t stand Princess Margaret, as her biographer’s secret notes reveal
-A new book shares intimate conversations with Queen Mary's friends and family
-Queen Mary who was the wife of George V died in 1953 at age 85
-Royal historian Hugo Vickers partners with Queen Mary's official biographer
-Interviews suggest the real love of her life was the 7th Earl of Hopetoun
-One Countess claims the Queen could eavesdrop on 30 people at once
By SEBASTIAN SHAKESPEARE FOR THE DAILY MAIL

PUBLISHED: 22:04 BST, 16 August 2018 | UPDATED: 22:06 BST, 16 August 2018

His first interviewee, Cynthia Colville, a long-serving lady-in-waiting, tells him Queen Mary’s father, the Duke of Teck, died ‘insane’, and that Queen Mary was never in love with the Duke of Clarence, to whom she was briefly engaged, nor with his younger brother, Prince George, whom she later married.

Queen Mary also confided in Colville that she once saw her father hurl a plate across the table at her mother’s head.

ater, we learn that the real love of Mary’s life was the 7th Earl of Hopetoun, a distinguished statesman: ‘She loved him in such a way that she had no love left after that.’

Pope-Hennessy is a first-rate writer with a novelist’s eye for detail. Even if you are not interested in royalty, you cannot fail to delight in his vivid pen portraits, which are as astute as they are acerbic.

‘Lady Willans is one of that numerous and obeisant throng of royal snobs which flourish like fungi in the shadow of royalty,’ he writes in a characteristically tart aside. Pope-Hennessy’s interviewees invariably protest they can tell him nothing of much use, but he always manages to elicit a fascinating detail or illuminating anecdote which brings his subject immediately to life.

The Countess of Shaftesbury, for example, discloses that Queen Mary had the rare attribute of being able to eavesdrop on 30 people at once around a dinner table.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/home/books/article-6068063/The-Queen-mean-gave-friends-old-flowers.html#comments


Title: Re: Queen Mary never loved her husband George V and couldn’t stand Margot
Post by: beline on August 17, 2018, 04:39:38 pm
I have always thought Mary was marked by the financial difficulties her family had when she was a child. Her parents were junior members of the RF and her father was issued from a morganatic marriage.

Marrying the future king was an opportunity to take a revenge upon her early life. And from that instant she enjoyed and used every perk of royal life. To the max.


Title: Re: Queen Mary never loved her husband George V and couldn’t stand Margot
Post by: MOSAIC on August 18, 2018, 01:20:37 pm

Unfortunately for them that included many members of the Russian emigre population as they fled the effects of the Revolution.
Apparently she used to visit a shop near the British Museum called The Cameo Shop.  There she would hold court, viewing the
jewels and objects brought for her to view and possibly buy.  Magnificent pieces, family heirlooms.

Oh she bought them alright, many still in the RF collection and worn on state occasions.  But she never gave the sellers even
a reasonable price.  As the saying goes "What goes around comes around".  I once lived next to a Russian woman, who arrived
here after World War II.  Not an aristocrat or even close.  She couldn't stand the RF, George V and his consort in particular.
I often wish I had lived more closely to her stories.


Title: Re: Queen Mary never loved her husband George V and couldn’t stand Margot
Post by: Kuei Fei on August 18, 2018, 10:31:51 pm
Queen Mary was such a disgusting pilferer; she liked to confiscate items that she liked while visiting aristocratic estates and badgered the Dowager Empress Marie to let her buy the jewels at a cut price discount.


Title: Re: Queen Mary never loved her husband George V and couldn’t stand Margot
Post by: MOSAIC on August 18, 2018, 10:49:57 pm

Well said Kuei Fei.  I knew that story about her nicking anything she fancied at the aristocratic homes, but forgot it.  I hope the relevant aristocrats kept a list.  I did hear that
if the lady of the house had enough warning they would hide things they thought she might go after.
 


Title: Re: Queen Mary never loved her husband George V and couldn’t stand Margot
Post by: MOSAIC on August 18, 2018, 10:57:21 pm

Well said Kuei Fei.  I had heard that story too but momentarily forgot it.  Pity someone didn't decline her on trying to nick their treasures.
I hope the Aristos kept a list.  Would make interesting reading.  Another part of those incidents is that if the intended hostesses had enough
warning they would hide things they thought she might go after.


Title: Re: Queen Mary never loved her husband George V and couldn’t stand Margot
Post by: HRH Tiana of NOLA on August 19, 2018, 02:35:39 am
She sounds absolutely horrid.


Title: Re: Queen Mary never loved her husband George V and couldn’t stand Margot
Post by: Byechoc on August 19, 2018, 07:45:54 pm
Are you talking when someone told her that in some aristocrat house the lady had an amazing room with new furniture? She just showed up to have tea and did not leave the house until the lady was able to offer her the furniture? People say that she stands there sitting for hours until the lady just gave up.... incredible that someone that had so much had this behaviour!!!!


Title: Re: Queen Mary never loved her husband George V and couldn’t stand Margot
Post by: HRHOlya on August 19, 2018, 08:31:17 pm
This is blatant stealing and I didn't know this before (or maybe I forgot). Despicable behaviour, and then saying past generations had more "class" than these new ones. As if. This is really deranged.

Interesting though that Mary's love was another man and some other things. Like that she and Margaret loathed each other.

Also interesting the stipulation to publish half a century later, but not unusual.

PS I think this is almost normal for them to just nick things they fancy, I remember a story how Diana signed sth one day and a man working for whatever organisation it was gave her his pen to sign and she remarked how wonderfully smooth it was and he said sth along the lines of "Thanks my mum gave it to me it's very special" which he later clarified meant "I know how you folks 'acquire' things and this one is not up for grabs!", which Diana apparently understood as she laughed and said "don't worry!" or sth like that.

Anyway, seems like a very rich tradition, from looting and pillaging villages to nicking your friends' things and strangers' as well, to this day. Crazy.


Title: Re: Queen Mary never loved her husband George V and couldn’t stand Margot
Post by: Kuei Fei on August 19, 2018, 09:59:01 pm
Look at how the latest generation mooches off of everyone around them; yachts, vacations in hotels for free, and private jets.


Title: Re: Queen Mary never loved her husband George V and couldn’t stand Margot
Post by: sandy on August 21, 2018, 04:07:39 pm
From what I recall, QUeen Mary was right in one thing. Margaret and Elizabeth should have gotten better educations than the program that the Queen Mum had for them. Margaret was resentful of her mother for not giving her a better education (she got a poorer education than her elder sister apparently). Mary complained about how little her granddaughters were learning by The QUeen Mum's regimen.

I don't think Mary was repelled by George, perhaps fond of him at most but she did settle and do what she was told as far as marriage plans. George and Mary had in common that they both loathed: Mrs Simpson.


Title: Re: Queen Mary never loved her husband George V and couldn’t stand Margot
Post by: HRHOlya on August 21, 2018, 04:43:28 pm
^ I agree on the education part. If I remember right, Liz & Marg's education was even made "better" because Mary complained, but also because Liz had become heir. I don't understand why girls would receieve such a piss poor education back in the day and why Liz qm didn't want a better education for her daughters?

The only 2 things Mary seems to have been good about were the education bit and also that she apparently instilled some "duty" and "better understanding" of "royal life" into her granddaughters (supposedly even punishing Marg for grandeur ways of thinking).

And yet she was an uninhibited kleptomaniac who for sure abused her social status, and who shamelessly bought her dethroned relatives' and "friends'" jewels at bargain-bin cut-price.


Title: Re: Queen Mary never loved her husband George V and couldn’t stand Margot
Post by: Byechoc on August 21, 2018, 11:02:07 pm
^We can't be bad in everything.... I think that Mary needs to come back to put all these new royals in place... Charles, Camila, William, Kate, Harry, I would love to see her reaction to Meghan and all the scandal related to her family.... she would see Mrs Simpson again.

Regarding George, well they were able to say that she was very good pretending that she was enjoying to see all those stamps... but in fact furniture, jewels and fabric were the things that apparently she enjoyed most... I also believed that she was found of her husband, but also with fear. Edward VII complained about that: that she was completely different when her husband was present, she stopped being a lovely mother!


Title: Re: Queen Mary never loved her husband George V and couldn’t stand Margot
Post by: sandy on August 22, 2018, 12:16:15 am
Camilla would not have gotten her big toe in the door had Mary been around. I think WIll and Harry would have married aristos had she been around.

I wonder what Mary thought of Townsend and Margaret. She probably did not think much of the relationship.


Title: Re: Queen Mary never loved her husband George V and couldn’t stand Margot
Post by: Kuei Fei on August 22, 2018, 01:03:09 am
Thing is, that Mary was royal and understood that it was vital for royals to be heavily educated. The QM didn't get her daughters a good education and it lead to a complete breakdown of educational standards. An elite education with substantive subjects for both princesses would have ended up making a huge difference in their lifestyles and it would have drastically changed HM's approach to governing the dynasty. Really, being a simple countrywoman isn't enough in being a monarch. I am sure that if HM had been heavily educated, HM would have in fact been able to handle all these problems with more skill.

^We can't be bad in everything.... I think that Mary needs to come back to put all these new royals in place... Charles, Camila, William, Kate, Harry, I would love to see her reaction to Meghan and all the scandal related to her family.... she would see Mrs Simpson again.

Regarding George, well they were able to say that she was very good pretending that she was enjoying to see all those stamps... but in fact furniture, jewels and fabric were the things that apparently she enjoyed most... I also believed that she was found of her husband, but also with fear. Edward VII complained about that: that she was completely different when her husband was present, she stopped being a lovely mother!

She was raised as a woman of her time and raised to set the example of deference by being as submissive as possible no matter how the king treated her. So really, there is no real way that she could have been any different. We judge since we aren't raised that way.


Title: Re: Queen Mary never loved her husband George V and couldn’t stand Margot
Post by: Byechoc on August 22, 2018, 11:37:54 am
Thing is, that Mary was royal and understood that it was vital for royals to be heavily educated. The QM didn't get her daughters a good education and it lead to a complete breakdown of educational standards. An elite education with substantive subjects for both princesses would have ended up making a huge difference in their lifestyles and it would have drastically changed HM's approach to governing the dynasty. Really, being a simple countrywoman isn't enough in being a monarch. I am sure that if HM had been heavily educated, HM would have in fact been able to handle all these problems with more skill.
HM was an amazing queen despite her lack of education! She was perfect as queen! If she allowed Markle and kate were only for people don't think that she is so mean that she doesn't care about them (relatives feelings like love, like she did in the past)... Charles was able to send this message in the 90's against his parents... his messy life was his parent's fault that they did not allow him to marry Camila! So if we have someone to blame is Charles...
But as a monarch, she has been without any doubt amazing and outstanding! During the years that I lived in England, it was possible to see the affection that people have for her, not only British citizens but also emigrants! And the last ones I can assure you are the ones that fear the day that she will not be present! And I have been in several places like Bristol, Yate, Portishead, Oxford, Birmingham, Slough and London...


Title: Re: Queen Mary never loved her husband George V and couldn’t stand Margot
Post by: sanka on August 25, 2018, 05:19:42 am

Well said Kuei Fei.  I had heard that story too but momentarily forgot it.  Pity someone didn't decline her on trying to nick their treasures.
I hope the Aristos kept a list.  Would make interesting reading.  Another part of those incidents is that if the intended hostesses had enough
warning they would hide things they thought she might go after.
Queen Mary was such a disgusting pilferer; she liked to confiscate items that she liked while visiting aristocratic estates and badgered the Dowager Empress Marie to let her buy the jewels at a cut price discount.

I have been reading the book Matriarch: Queen Mary and the House of Windsor by Anne Edwards and in the book it was also highlighted about Queen Mary and other people's items or items she considered belonged to the Royal Family.

'London antique dealers were to claim that they hid all the bibelots and precious items that they knew might appeal to the Queen when they expected her to visit their premises, for the Queen was prone to take what she wished and they would go without payment. If while visiting in some aristocratic home she sighted an object that had once belonged to the Royal Family, she often would request its return, and the current owner could do nothing else but oblige...'


Title: Re: Queen Mary never loved her husband George V and couldn’t stand Margot
Post by: Kuei Fei on August 25, 2018, 05:27:57 am
Refusing would have been impossible, since after all, Mary was Queen and as Queen she could do as she liked. She might not have been reaised to have self restraint and basically took advantage every chance she got. The Windsors are like that, just not so ostentatiously.


Title: Re: Queen Mary never loved her husband George V and couldn’t stand Margot
Post by: HRHOlya on August 25, 2018, 11:32:48 am
^^ What about the stuff the "royal" family looted from friends, the people and other nations? How about they return all that stuff if Mary so wished to have her family's former possessions returned? And why request such things back, these families would've been gifted these things from her family and wouldn't have looted them.
Why didn't she return the jewels she bought at cut-price from her own family and friends, exploiting their terrible fate?

She's downright a nightmare. No better than any of the rest of her family, before and after her.


Title: Re: Queen Mary never loved her husband George V and couldn’t stand Margot
Post by: Kuei Fei on August 27, 2018, 02:56:33 am
The BRF has a history of treating their consorts horribly and I do believe that there is something about that particular dynasty that attracts the worst in humanity. From the Tudor era on, there has been nothing but one horribly treated consort after another and certainly, members of that family have been nothing but rotten. From Edward VIII demanding that Alexandra kiss his mistress while he was on his deathbed to Charles mistreating his consort for daring to object to him having an affair. Really, it is galling that this family truly believes they have a right to steal from others and demand items at a cut rate and demand that everyone cater to them.

What makes it worse about the demand for the Romanov treasures at a cut rate, is how King George and Queen Mary REFUSED asylum for the Romanov family. They left that entire family (among many others) to die at the merciless hands of a Bolshevik firing squad, but then hassled the Dowager Empress for the jewels. I mean, the Dowager Empress had just lost her life, her homeland, almost her entire immediate family to the horror of a bloodthirsty revolution and already the Windsors were grubbing for the jewels. Even before anyone knew for sure that the entire Imperial family had been murdered, before anyone had any concrete evidence.

It disgusts me that after all that, the House of Windsor fancies themselves better than their continental royals and have no problems destroying so many reputations and mooching so much money (while not maintaining the palaces) and having the NERVE to make more demands of those around them. It's no wonder William and Harry never attracted anyone decent.


Title: Re: Queen Mary never loved her husband George V and couldn’t stand Margot
Post by: india on August 27, 2018, 03:13:58 pm
^ The Windsors are hideous human beings. Their behavior throughout the years is revolting. I am glad you have pointed this out gingerboy for all to see.


Title: Re: Queen Mary never loved her husband George V and couldn’t stand Margot
Post by: Kuei Fei on August 27, 2018, 05:16:47 pm
You know, I wonder if the reason that royals don't marry each other is because so many of them are so vile. The Windsors haven't had a royal consort since Queen Mary and it is telling that the only royal willing to marry in was Prince Philip, but that was because Philip was poor and part of a thrown over dynasty. Princess Madeleine of Sweden couldn't STAND the press coverage, but I think it was the way the Windsors treat their consorts. Throw in how they defame the consort if the consort does not want to put up with more abuse and wants to move on in life with their sanity intact.

I have no idea how on EARTH the Windsors live with themselves.


Title: Re: Queen Mary never loved her husband George V and couldn’t stand Margot
Post by: india on August 27, 2018, 06:12:16 pm
^ Well, for one thing, they are huge narcissists especially The Duke of Dork. When you are one of those then you find it very easy to live with yourself.


Title: Re: Queen Mary never loved her husband George V and couldn’t stand Margot
Post by: CathyJane on August 27, 2018, 09:56:22 pm
None of them are the awesome winners they think they are, that's for sure.