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Title: Kate & Meghan Relationship Thread
Post by: Stephanie on December 08, 2017, 04:45:43 pm
https://www.inquisitr.com/4671307/meghan-markle-reportedly-makes-sweet-gift-for-queen-elizabeth-blocked-by-jealous-feuding-kate-middleton/ :-


Title: Re: Jealous Kate stops Mehgan from baking muffins for HM
Post by: Kins on December 08, 2017, 05:02:58 pm
So one article has them hanging out at Christmas and Boxing Day and this one has them feuding. Oh brother LOL


Title: Re: Kate & Meghan Relationship Thread
Post by: Alexandrine on December 08, 2017, 05:15:57 pm
As I know it will happen please use this thread for all the articles in relation to Kate and Meghan relationship.


Title: Re: Kate & Meghan Relationship Thread
Post by: CathyJane on December 09, 2017, 04:18:51 am
It was only a matter of time before these articles appeared. Personally I can't see Waity and Megs being besties even though they will sisters in law. Both have over sized egos and Waity was (apparently) trained from an early age to view all females as the enemy.


Title: Re: Kate & Meghan Relationship Thread
Post by: Val on December 09, 2017, 06:58:04 am
Sparkle will always outshine Waity as she has more personality whether it's acted or not.  Waity just hasn't got it and no matter how much training never will have.  Along with dull, dumb Willy they just couldn't compete.


Title: Re: Kate & Meghan Relationship Thread
Post by: marion on December 09, 2017, 03:13:13 pm
Waity already looks dull as yesterday's dirty dishwater and Sparkle's going to make her look even duller, if that's possible.


Title: Re: Kate & Meghan Relationship Thread
Post by: HRH Tiana of NOLA on December 09, 2017, 04:33:56 pm
^^The problem with Sparkles is that she doesn't have a kill switch and overdoes it every single time. It's what my younger sister would call "doing too much." That "too much" works for the entertainment industry and - to a certain extent - in America but that does not translate very well in GB. For right now, the juxtaposition of Sparkles to what we're used to seeing from Waity is refreshing to some but will get old rather quickly. When what was once refreshing starts to clash with the ways that make Britain who she is, Waity will become much more acceptable.


Title: Re: Kate & Meghan Relationship Thread
Post by: LadyLaura on December 09, 2017, 06:54:15 pm
^  :thumbsup:


Title: Re: Kate & Meghan Relationship Thread
Post by: Kuei Fei on December 09, 2017, 08:03:55 pm
I think Kate won't let Meg forget who is the future Queen and I think Meg has been the only one willing to take a position that requires her to bow to Kate.


Title: Re: Kate & Meghan Relationship Thread
Post by: Stephanie on December 09, 2017, 08:13:02 pm
Wimpo and Waity will be divorced long before that happens IMO.


Title: Re: Kate & Meghan Relationship Thread
Post by: Kuei Fei on December 09, 2017, 08:25:03 pm
 William will never leave Kate and Kate will never leave William.


Title: Re: Kate & Meghan Relationship Thread
Post by: Whiffy Leaks on December 09, 2017, 08:49:36 pm
And this whole thing, my friends, is what could finish the monarchy. Waity will be angered and humiliated by Ms Markles work. She has worthwhile causes that she cares about. She will work very hard and do it very professionally. Waity will get William to curtail her activities. Harry will side with his wife. Kate won't be able to hide her sour spite and jealousy. Neither will William. Harry wears his heart on his sleeve and Megan will not be quiet. Should be an interesting time.


Title: Re: Kate & Meghan Relationship Thread
Post by: Sheridan_is_appalled on December 09, 2017, 09:14:52 pm
^^ They have that weird, co-dependent thing going on.


Title: Re: Kate & Meghan Relationship Thread
Post by: Val on December 09, 2017, 09:23:48 pm
^

Too many secrets.


Title: Re: Kate & Meghan Relationship Thread
Post by: Stephanie on December 09, 2017, 09:48:04 pm
^
^
^ I think so too.
Interesting times ahead!
Things will really reach a boiling point once Meghan becomes pregnant and gives birth to a cute, possibly ginger baby.


Title: Re: Kate & Meghan Relationship Thread
Post by: HRH Tiana of NOLA on December 09, 2017, 09:56:57 pm
I think Kate won't let Meg forget who is the future Queen and I think Meg has been the only one willing to take a position that requires her to bow to Kate.

Honestly, I think Meghan got caught up in her up until recently very isolated relationship with Harry and the romanticized idea of royalty that we American's have, and has not thought long and hard about all that comes with marrying into this establishment, including bowing to Kate and a bunch of kids that outrank her. Marrying into this family will not give her the expanded platform to champion the causes that are near and dear to her heart as she's professing it will.


Title: Re: Kate & Meghan Relationship Thread
Post by: Kuei Fei on December 09, 2017, 10:06:19 pm
The courtiers will leash her the minute she gets that ring on her finger.


Title: Re: Kate & Meghan Relationship Thread
Post by: ohmy on December 10, 2017, 02:17:34 am
Meghan will be fine. If you can survive in Hollywood/ New York/ or just a basic working actor, you can make it anywhere. There is no man grey, black, blue, peach or purple when your eye is on the prize(goal). The perfect example is her mom. She'll be all right  :thumbsup: :thumbsup: :thumbsup: :thumbsup: :thumbsup: :thumbsup: :thumbsup: :thumbsup: :thumbsup: :thumbsup:


Title: Re: Kate & Meghan Relationship Thread
Post by: YooperModerator on December 10, 2017, 03:28:18 am
There’s one huge difference between Waity and Sparkles and I find it the most ironic situation ever in the BRF.  We have one woman with practically a zero in assertive work ethic and the other with boundless ambition and the exhasting “can-do” American self-advancement attitude.

The former will advance substantially by simply waiting, the other has reached the peak and can go nowhere higher no matter what she does.  Kate can relax in this knowledge but it will eventually drive Sparkles nuts.  Popularity does not matter to a mindset like MM, ladder climbing and tangible recognition as a reward for effort is everything.  She just hasn’t realized that she’s hit the glass ceiling yet and it will never budge.


Title: Re: Kate & Meghan Relationship Thread
Post by: ohmy on December 10, 2017, 06:18:36 am
We have an unwritten in the the USA "to hold (or maintain)  our own" & If you are fortunate to have Grandmothers/ Grandfathers in the south  they will tell you to, " stay in your lane " or " sweep in front or your front door before trying to sweep  in front of any one else's". Contrary to what we want to believe her maternal family has if under control
 :thumbsup:


Title: Re: Kate & Meghan Relationship Thread
Post by: Val on December 10, 2017, 12:03:57 pm
At least MM's mother Doria isn't pushing her nose in and running the show unlike the dreadful, detested in the UK Ma Midd.   There are no triumphant smug guffawing grins in the paper or snapping up every possible advantage either.  Sparkle's parents behave with decorum and dignity.  Sparkle and Waity are so different that their 'relationship' or at least the public one will be most interesting.  Behind the scenes may be a different matter.


Title: Re: Kate & Meghan Relationship Thread
Post by: Stephanie on December 10, 2017, 01:03:43 pm
Exactly.
This will be fun to watch: the Viper will try to mansonize H&M over Christmas!
https://www.express.co.uk/life-style/life/890454/Kate-Middleton-Prince-William-host-Christmas-Meghan-Markle-Prince-Harry-pictures-video


Title: Re: Kate & Meghan Relationship Thread
Post by: HRH Tiana of NOLA on December 10, 2017, 01:46:53 pm
Spot on, Yopper. My thoughts, exactly.


Title: Re: Kate & Meghan Relationship Thread
Post by: ohmy on December 11, 2017, 01:51:57 am
Having Meg's around may help Kate step her fashion game up a bit (less lace, buttons, & synthetic wiglets). No shade over here  8) 8) 8) 8) 8) 8)


Title: Re: Kate & Meghan Relationship Thread
Post by: sanka on December 11, 2017, 04:01:16 am
I can't imagine that these two would get on like good friends rather they will be tolerant of each other. It certainly won't be a Fergie and Diana relationship (when they were close in the 80's).
The first few royal engagements when they are together will be civil.


Title: Re: Kate & Meghan Relationship Thread
Post by: leogirl on December 11, 2017, 05:37:58 am
I think they have to be civil in public. But in private, who knows? They seem to have different personalities. Maybe they'll be friends, maybe not.  :dontknow:


Title: Re: Kate & Meghan Relationship Thread
Post by: Val on December 11, 2017, 08:06:07 am

 Sparkle has a better brain than Waity who has great difficulty holding an intelligent and prolonged conversation.  Waity's inane utterances are staccato and compensated by much head nodding, huge hand waving and pursed lips when trying to look intelligent.  Sparkle can debate, hold her own and is au fait with world affairs.  As mentioned above they are completely different so their relationship will be interesting.


Title: Re: Kate & Meghan Relationship Thread
Post by: Stephanie on December 11, 2017, 12:58:46 pm
Wimpo's reaction will be interesting when he compares useless Klingon Waity to lively Meghan. :Carole:


Title: Re: Kate & Meghan Relationship Thread
Post by: dianab on December 11, 2017, 01:08:17 pm
There’s one huge difference between Waity and Sparkles and I find it the most ironic situation ever in the BRF.  We have one woman with practically a zero in assertive work ethic and the other with boundless ambition and the exhasting “can-do” American self-advancement attitude.

The former will advance substantially by simply waiting, the other has reached the peak and can go nowhere higher no matter what she does.  Kate can relax in this knowledge but it will eventually drive Sparkles nuts.  Popularity does not matter to a mindset like MM, ladder climbing and tangible recognition as a reward for effort is everything.  She just hasn’t realized that she’s hit the glass ceiling yet and it will never budge.
Agree. Meghan is more comparable Carole than to Kate


Title: Re: Kate & Meghan Relationship Thread
Post by: Stephanie on December 13, 2017, 11:13:12 am
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/femail/article-5170911/The-Duke-Duchess-Cambridge-visit-Blue-Peter-set.html :bored:


Title: Re: Kate & Meghan Relationship Thread
Post by: Stephanie on December 16, 2017, 02:32:55 pm
http://celebrityinsider.org/the-royals-are-planning-a-media-scheme-in-order-to-stop-the-meghan-markle-kate-middleton-feud-rumors-96110/ :cookie:


Title: Re: Kate & Meghan Relationship Thread
Post by: HRH Tiana of NOLA on December 16, 2017, 06:20:42 pm
^I think it's very telling that we've never seen her around any of his family members, especially Kate and his girl cousins.


Title: Re: Kate & Meghan Relationship Thread
Post by: ohmy on December 23, 2017, 09:21:37 pm
Does she even know what a friendship(without  transaction) is 8)? (no shade)


Title: Re: Kate & Meghan Relationship Thread
Post by: Miss Hathaway on December 23, 2017, 09:46:07 pm
I can't imagine that these two women have anything in common.   Kate is all about Kate and running after William.  Meggles is all about Meggles and running after PR for herself.  And if Harry wants to be there, too, then, fine.    lol

They don't have to be bosom pals.   Diana and Sarah knew each other from childhood, I believe. 


Title: Re: Kate & Meghan Relationship Thread
Post by: ohmy on December 23, 2017, 10:12:52 pm
Definitely not a fan of Kate, but as a lover of simple humanity I became somewhat hopeful. Even if they aren't "besties", a strong shoulder and a kind face is nice every once in a while. (plus, meghan doesn't want willy-boy)


Title: Re: Kate & Meghan Relationship Thread
Post by: Pepe Le Skew on December 24, 2017, 01:39:47 am
^ Perhaps one of the nicest things I’ve ever read on this forum. Oh my!  :flower:


Title: Re: Kate & Meghan Relationship Thread
Post by: YooperModerator on December 24, 2017, 01:58:03 am
^^Don’t know that I’d take that to the bank just yet.  Willy Boy is MM’s only chance for advancement. 

Kate won’t ever care if Sparkles speaks well or gets out there and is active in anything.  She doesn’t like to work anyway so let M do the heavy lifting.  All she has to do is wait and not screw up.  She can hold fast as the reserved, silent, steady future wife of a King.

The only trouble I see is MM drama when she fully realizes she has to take a back seat in the org chart.  Kate will shrug off bad press because eventually people will get sick of MM and her flouncing around and yearn for quiet and steady. 


Title: Re: Kate & Meghan Relationship Thread
Post by: HRH Tiana of NOLA on December 24, 2017, 02:04:19 am
^Yup. Especially your last paragraph.


Title: Re: Kate & Meghan Relationship Thread
Post by: danifaul on December 24, 2017, 05:39:55 am
Meghan is a ''gift''  to Kate.  :wopedo:  Meghan is like WallisWindsor

Kate's idea is to look like the mother queen 'a boring, safe family'.

 :sigh: noticed that there were few negative articles, from Kate to Meghan, compared to Chelsy / Cressida  :cookie:


Title: Re: Kate & Meghan Relationship Thread
Post by: sandy on December 24, 2017, 12:15:21 pm
 Meghan is joining the Firm, HRH and all that goes with it.  One huge positive is Kate has a mother who is supportive. It is subject to speculation if Meghan's mom comes to the UK to help Meg say with future children and all that. Kate and Meghan will be two senior royal wives. My hope is that both pull their weight. And I mean not sail along on excuses for not working.


Title: Re: Kate & Meghan Relationship Thread
Post by: Miss Hathaway on December 24, 2017, 04:11:27 pm
 I cannot imagine that an aging, liberal, California hippy would want to live in Britain within the confines of royalty.  So I would imagine Doria will never move.


Title: Re: Kate & Meghan Relationship Thread
Post by: ohmy on December 27, 2017, 09:26:12 am
Doria definitely will not leave California but as the daughter of a PROUD aging liberal, who's an only child like Meghan, trust me mom will want to hug and kiss every once in a while ( I'm in the military so it varies in the U.S. 6/8  times a year; overseas 3/5 times a year).
Plus, Doria is a "yogi" & Kate  cares about her appearance.
 Pettiness exists all around us and these two will fall victim on occasion but yesterday Kate had a genuine smile I had not seen since 2010. No joke. A real smile that reached her eyes and her entire face lit up. (I was low key happy  for her.) :bouncy: :bouncy: :bouncy:


Title: Re: Kate & Meghan Relationship Thread
Post by: Fly on the wall on January 31, 2018, 06:59:17 pm
Inside Meghan Markle and Kate Middleton’s Growing Friendship
Kate Middleton and Meghan Markle are poised to become sisters-in-law in May — but they have already begun leaning on each other.

“I’m sure Kate will do all she can to help Meghan,” a source in Kate’s hometown of Bucklebury tells PEOPLE in this week’s cover story, while noting that in the early years of her romance with Prince William, Kate herself was mentored by Queen Elizabeth. “She had audiences with Queen Elizabeth quite often and was taught to behave like a future Queen.”

Unlike Kate, whose husband is second in the immediate line of succession, Meghan has ample breathing room between herself and the throne: Prince Harry will downshift to sixth in line with the arrival of William and Kate’s third baby in April.

Meghan, who will be learning on the job, “is funny and serious and extremely hard-working,” says a source close to the former Suits star. “I can imagine Kate will find a great friend in her.”

The two women, both 36, have quickly bonded, helped by their close proximity as neighbors at Kensington Palace. Of course, their paths to the palace were very different: Kate, who enjoyed a bucolic childhood in the English countryside, was a 19-year-old student at St. Andrews University in Scotland when she met fellow art history major Prince William. Across the ocean, Meghan — whose parents, onetime TV sound engineer Thomas Markle and yoga instructor Doria Ragland — was cultivating her interests in acting and activism at Northwestern University in Illinois.
http://people.com/royals/inside-meghan-markle-and-kate-middletons-growing-friendship/


Title: Re: Kate & Meghan Relationship Thread
Post by: CathyJane on January 31, 2018, 08:19:48 pm
This made me laugh. I can not see Waity 'mentoring' or helping another woman succeed at anything. Nope no way.


Title: Re: Kate & Meghan Relationship Thread
Post by: sandy on January 31, 2018, 10:57:31 pm
It is pathetic. The People article talks about her very flexible job at Jigsaw for 2007. Very little time there. They can't spin that she did not work much but they try.

I take it with a huge grain of salt that the Kate was mentored by QE II. According to various biographies, Kate met the Queen close to the engagement, around the time of the Phillips wedding and she met the QUeen for a brief time. The mentoring is nonsense. I remember all the articles of her being trained to be a royal which had no basis in fact.

Kate gave other women death stares when she was dating WIlliam, I don't think she has close women friends.


Title: Re: Kate & Meghan Relationship Thread
Post by: windsor2 on January 31, 2018, 11:04:11 pm
^exactly, but People tends to sell the Disney version of a princess/Cinderella fairy tail. Rough MM wouldn’t listen even if she was getting training as she comes off like she’s a know-it-all anyway.  :bored:


Title: Re: Kate & Meghan Relationship Thread
Post by: leogirl on February 01, 2018, 04:26:15 am
I don't think they're friends or enemies. They've probably only met a few times. Most likely acquaintances, although they may grow closer over time as sisters-in-law.


Title: Re: Kate & Meghan Relationship Thread
Post by: india on February 01, 2018, 04:18:38 pm
The Potato Head will never be friends with Meghan. Any woman who is slightly good-looking is a threat to her. She's only friends with The Viper. This is the only female she trusts.


Title: Re: Kate & Meghan Relationship Thread
Post by: theduchess on February 01, 2018, 08:09:57 pm
I get the impression they are not as close as reported.


Title: Re: Kate & Meghan Relationship Thread
Post by: HRHOlya on February 01, 2018, 08:27:05 pm
^ No way. Kate has alienated any female friends she ever had and I doubt for many reasons that she's at all keen to be friends with Murkles.
And Kate would be barely any "help" with advice. Asking K for advice on the royals, her role and diplomacy is like asking a cow for advice on how to climb a tree.


Title: Re: Kate & Meghan Relationship Thread
Post by: leogirl on February 02, 2018, 04:35:13 am
I don't think Meghan would ask for advice, as she's all about "modernizing" the monarchy and doing things her way.


Title: Re: Kate & Meghan Relationship Thread
Post by: HRHOlya on February 02, 2018, 11:18:14 am
^ That's very true as well, I bet Meggles thinks she "knows" everything and needs no one who'll "dictate" to her, as well as thinking it'll be her way (the "modern" way) or the highway...


Title: Re: Kate & Meghan Relationship Thread
Post by: logically on February 02, 2018, 12:32:14 pm
They will not be true friends but they will be very aware of watch other and friendly.  They recognize one another as the same social climbing, skeletons in the closet, un-embraced by the family, unequipped for the job, looking for an easy rich lifestyle.  Both will do whatever it takes to keep a title and a lifestyle.  If they do become fast friends - watch out RF you are going down.


Title: Re: Kate & Meghan Relationship Thread
Post by: Cali San D on February 02, 2018, 05:57:02 pm
I think they will definitely be copying each others fashion, fashion labels and accessories as time goes on. I see Kate using more handbags.  :tehe:

I really wouldn't want to wear any designers made popular by Kate, i.e. McQueen, Beulah, Erdem, Packham, Hobbs and or Catherine Walker, Seraphine can be an exception when Megs is preggers. I would want to highlight other British designers, they do exist, but of course, I'm not Megs.  :sigh:

I want to be spared from the DM articles when Megs wears a designer that Kate has worn in the past, like yesterday's events.  :-X


Title: Re: Kate & Meghan Relationship Thread
Post by: HRHOlya on February 02, 2018, 06:30:29 pm
^ Catherine Walker is a throwback to Diana though, but I fully agree with you.

I think that's the only "Meg-Effect" or "Kate-Effect" that we'll see: them stepping up their game, trying to out-do each other. Sure, Kate has worn handbags before, but in 6 years we have about a handful of such occasions (engagements! not counting private occasions and pap pics), and now suddenly she's carrying a handbag more often at engagements (usually she had her handbag handed over to her staff and carried a clutch taken out of the handbag).

Kate seems to have cleaned up and stepped up a bit, like about 2-3 babysteps in total (which in her case feel like 2-3 giant steps), and I fully attribute that to Meg, Quinn and her pre-maternity leave rush.


Title: Re: Kate & Meghan Relationship Thread
Post by: Kuei Fei on February 03, 2018, 10:05:44 am
If Kate continues her ingenue act I am certain that she'll end up getting left in the dust by Meg; already Meg has done more appearances during her engagement and I am certain that Quinn has smartened Kate up via being Charles' rep in the 'court of Cambridge.'


Title: Re: Kate & Meghan Relationship Thread
Post by: Fly on the wall on February 21, 2018, 08:42:23 pm
How Meghan Markle Has Helped Duchess Kate During Her Difficult Pregnancy


Giving herself a once-over before she and husband Prince William made the mile-long journey from Kensington Palace to the Royal Albert Hall, Duchess Kate felt she’d nailed it. As with the Golden Globes, there was chatter that those attending the February 18 BAFTA Awards would wear black in support of the Time’s Up initiative battling the mistreatment of women. And she felt that by tying a black sash around her dark green Jenny Packham and adorning herself in emerald jewels (one of the hues of the British suffragette movement), she could give “a nod” toward where she stood, a Kate insider reveals in the new issue of Us Weekly, “without making a full-blown statement.”

As she and William mingled with nominees Allison Janney and Daniel Kaluuya, “she felt confident,” says a source. “But evening engagements get harder the later into pregnancy Kate gets.”

At seven months, appearing regal can be a royal pain. Plagued by the same severe morning sickness she endured with both Prince George, 4, and Princess Charlotte, 2, the 36-year-old has nodded in agreement as well-meaning friends “have told her it gets easier every time,” says a family insider, “but I think she’s found it challenging. It’s taken quite a toll.”

https://www.usmagazine.com/celebrity-news/news/how-meghan-markle-has-helped-kate-during-her-difficult-pregnancy/


Title: Re: Kate & Meghan Relationship Thread
Post by: HRHOlya on February 21, 2018, 09:03:23 pm
I see Murkles has been very very busy feeding the press positive bs stories about herself. My my. :ick:


Title: Re: Kate & Meghan Relationship Thread
Post by: sandy on February 22, 2018, 02:11:51 am
How Meghan Markle Has Helped Duchess Kate During Her Difficult Pregnancy


Giving herself a once-over before she and husband Prince William made the mile-long journey from Kensington Palace to the Royal Albert Hall, Duchess Kate felt she’d nailed it. As with the Golden Globes, there was chatter that those attending the February 18 BAFTA Awards would wear black in support of the Time’s Up initiative battling the mistreatment of women. And she felt that by tying a black sash around her dark green Jenny Packham and adorning herself in emerald jewels (one of the hues of the British suffragette movement), she could give “a nod” toward where she stood, a Kate insider reveals in the new issue of Us Weekly, “without making a full-blown statement.”

As she and William mingled with nominees Allison Janney and Daniel Kaluuya, “she felt confident,” says a source. “But evening engagements get harder the later into pregnancy Kate gets.”

At seven months, appearing regal can be a royal pain. Plagued by the same severe morning sickness she endured with both Prince George, 4, and Princess Charlotte, 2, the 36-year-old has nodded in agreement as well-meaning friends “have told her it gets easier every time,” says a family insider, “but I think she’s found it challenging. It’s taken quite a toll.”

https://www.usmagazine.com/celebrity-news/news/how-meghan-markle-has-helped-kate-during-her-difficult-pregnancy/


Easier every time? Just how many children is Kate going to have?!


Title: Re: Kate & Meghan Relationship Thread
Post by: leogirl on February 22, 2018, 05:00:27 am
Isn't this a bit much? She has full-time nannies and night nurse for the kids she already has. I doubt she's so exhausted.


Title: Re: Kate & Meghan Relationship Thread
Post by: HRHOlya on February 22, 2018, 09:43:04 am
^ Indeed, also it's not "HG" anymore, but "severe morning sickness". If she were suffering from either, esp HG, she wouldn't be on her 3rd.


Title: Re: Kate & Meghan Relationship Thread
Post by: CathyJane on February 23, 2018, 01:44:00 am
Exactly.


Title: Re: Kate & Meghan Relationship Thread
Post by: Whiffy Leaks on February 23, 2018, 01:22:41 pm
I hag HG (the real sort) but it was only dangerously bad in my 3rd. I was hospitalised in my 2nd but only due to dehydration. My 3rd was when I became seriously ill.


Title: Re: Kate & Meghan Relationship Thread
Post by: gingerboy24 on February 23, 2018, 01:55:34 pm
My best friend had real HG and it was constant for the whole pregnancy, she even had to give up work she was that bad.  First and only child, after that she vowed should would never have another pregnancy, and she never did, just the one son, the mere thought of going through it made her feel ill.  A group of us used to go around and help out keeping the house neat, and her husband was a true marvel, did so much for her.  True HG can be h*ll, would never have believed it had I not lived through it with my friend.  That is why I personally think council cath never had it, and the second time she was seen, when allegedly indoors "dying", takinn a walk in skinny jeans and heeled boots throud KP park.  No woman suffering that badly would be out of bed, or off the sofa, let alone done up like a tart and out walking at dusk. 


Title: Re: Kate & Meghan Relationship Thread
Post by: Whiffy Leaks on February 23, 2018, 05:37:40 pm
I  agree, I very much disbelieve the statements saying she suffered from HG. It's extremely debilitating, as you've seen. It's a very bizarre claim and her arrogance in thinking everyone is as thick as she is, therefore doesn't even need to pretend, really gets my hackles up. My kidneys were not right for 18 months after my third pregnancy. It wasn't something that came and went.


Title: Re: Kate & Meghan Relationship Thread
Post by: Kuei Fei on February 27, 2018, 03:59:49 am
I do think Meg will get tired of having to defer to Kate; in protocol, Kate outranks Meg and Meg will have to defer in certain areas of the royal life like:

Hiring; Kate will be able to veto anyone Meg might wish to hire
Deference; Meg will have to walk behind Kate and curtsy to Kate

I am sure that it won't be pleasant for Meg and after a while, cracks will show.


Title: Re: Kate & Meghan Relationship Thread
Post by: AnaBolena on February 27, 2018, 02:04:35 pm
^ Totally agree with you, KF.  How I see it, or wish it was, is that married in commoners shouldn't have to defer to another married in commoner unless one commoner becomes Queen Consort. 

IMO commoner Duchess to commoner Duchess should be equal.


Title: Re: Kate & Meghan Relationship Thread
Post by: Rosella on February 27, 2018, 03:16:40 pm
^^Why would Kate be able to veto anyone Meghan hires? It's Charles that pays the bills for the office staff at KP and pays an allowance for the Cambridge household, Kate's wardrobe etc. He will also do the same for Harry's household and wife after they are married. Kate's not in charge of the staff at the KP office or the money Harry and his wife will receive, even after the Queen's death.

As for curtseying, it's very very rare on any occasions when the family are together that any curtseying is done at all, except for the Queen and sometimes for the Duke of Edinburgh. We saw the Royal family on parade at Sandringham at Xmas. No-one curtseyed to Camilla, Beatrice, Eugenie or Kate. The only curtsey we saw was for the Queen by the younger female royals when she left the Church. And you can bet your bottom dollar that Meghan wouldn't have been curtseying to Kate over the breakfast table at Anmer that morning! 


Title: Re: Kate & Meghan Relationship Thread
Post by: MOSAIC on February 27, 2018, 03:37:18 pm

IMO that is how it should be, curtseys only for the Sovereign and consort. I wouldn't curtsey to anyone else, and certainly never to Kate and William,
much less Harry and Megan.


Title: Re: Kate & Meghan Relationship Thread
Post by: Kuei Fei on February 27, 2018, 04:32:08 pm
^^Why would Kate be able to veto anyone Meghan hires? It's Charles that pays the bills for the office staff at KP and pays an allowance for the Cambridge household, Kate's wardrobe etc. He will also do the same for Harry's household and wife after they are married. Kate's not in charge of the staff at the KP office or the money Harry and his wife will receive, even after the Queen's death.

Protocol and rank run things every time; Kate outranks Meg and therefore Kate would have final say. Princess Diana once overruled the hiring of a butler that she (Diana) had fired against Princess Michael of Kent; eventually Princess Margaret hired the butler, since Margaret is born royal and Diana wasn't. Kate will have final say despite the fact that Charles pays the bills.


Title: Re: Kate & Meghan Relationship Thread
Post by: sandy on February 27, 2018, 05:12:19 pm
Kate and William have no say about how Harry and Meghan would run their household. Only Prince Charles would, he holds the purse strings.

The Diana/Princess Michael was a unique situation.

I don't recall Diana and Charles ordering Fergie and Andrew around about running their household. Fergie ran amok with the spending.

Kate would have no say, and I doubt would care about ordering Meghan around.

Kate and Meghan were both born commoners. Neither are from other royal houses or born aristo.


Title: Re: Kate & Meghan Relationship Thread
Post by: Kuei Fei on February 27, 2018, 05:15:45 pm
Won't matter; Kate will outrank Meg and will be able to pull rank in many areas. It should be interesting to watch.


Title: Re: Kate & Meghan Relationship Thread
Post by: sandy on February 27, 2018, 05:54:56 pm
Kate is not Princess of Wales nor Queen yet. Charles still holds the purse strings. Kate certainly would not want to take on more work to "show up" Meghan. IMO.


Title: Re: Kate & Meghan Relationship Thread
Post by: Cali San D on February 27, 2018, 06:28:52 pm
^On the contrary, I think the Palace will either force Kate to work more if Meghan is seemingly working more or they will force Meghan to work less as to not out work the future queenie.

Reaffirming what I just wrote above and looking at it from a racial perspective, there is no way that the Palace would want the woman with African ancestry to out work the future white queen, especially if Meghan is better than Kate during appearances.  :cookie:


Title: Re: Kate & Meghan Relationship Thread
Post by: sandy on February 27, 2018, 06:59:09 pm
Whatever efforts to get Kate to work more seem to have failed. There have been many excuses made for her over the years, even before she had the babies.

I think anybody could outwork Kate. It does not matter what the ancestry is.


Title: Re: Kate & Meghan Relationship Thread
Post by: Kuei Fei on February 27, 2018, 07:06:55 pm
Kate is at an age where it should be taken for granted that she does a full schedule of engagements, her new numbers should not be novel. I do believe that Meg will outshine her mainly since the BRF desperately needs a younger royal doing a full schedule and Meg will be married to the new Head of the Commonwealth (Harry).

I do believe that Meg's more exotic life will cause Kate endless envy since during the first few months of Kate being married, there were endless leaks about how Kate was going to go to Milan fashion week and how Kate wanted to see the sights of NY (when she went on that trip with William) and it fizzled out.

Meanwhile Meg is about to become involved in traveling the Commonwealth and living a more jet set life than Kate will. Kate will envy Meg's status as Harry's wife and I am sure the press will give Meg more coverage if Meg plays the game instead of suing nonstop and making constant threats against the photographers.


Title: Re: Kate & Meghan Relationship Thread
Post by: Cali San D on February 27, 2018, 07:21:29 pm
^^Here's hoping ancestry does not matter within the RF with the senior royals making decisions on how often Meghan would work and if its more than Kate.

^Kate will definitely envy the less stressful royal life of Meghan.  :tehe:


Title: Re: Kate & Meghan Relationship Thread
Post by: Kuei Fei on February 27, 2018, 08:04:22 pm
Not that Kate has a stressful royal life to be blunt; it's not like Kate has to slave over paperwork and make split second decisions that affect millions. I think a huge part of the friction that will come along for Kate and Meg will be how Meg will have more outlets for her ambitions than Kate; Kate is future POW and Queen Consort, but it hasn't translated into much of anything that will actually end up with Kate being able to jet set, get a house in LA, or mingle with the celebs as she might want.


Title: Re: Kate & Meghan Relationship Thread
Post by: CathyJane on February 27, 2018, 08:06:13 pm
I can't see these two climbers being BFF's at all. They are far to grasping and greedy. But it will make it fun to watch them try to out do the other.  8)


Title: Re: Kate & Meghan Relationship Thread
Post by: Kuei Fei on February 27, 2018, 11:05:15 pm
Kate likes to compete and win; I am sure that Kate will not want to help Meg with the intricacies of royal life (that Kate herself actually fails to grasp even now) and I do believe that Meg will likely be living it up with Harry and I am sure Kate will not like no longer being the only woman in Harry's royal life. It'll be entertaining.


Title: Re: Kate & Meghan Relationship Thread
Post by: dianab on February 28, 2018, 02:29:49 pm
Body language experts reveal how Kate felt NERVOUS for Meghan at their first joint engagement – but Ms Markle is such a ‘force of nature’ there could be ‘friendly clashes’ ahead for the two women

Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/femail/article-5445087/What-Kate-Meghan-REALLY-think-other.html#ixzz58PgWY4pK
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Title: Re: Kate & Meghan Relationship Thread
Post by: Fly on the wall on February 28, 2018, 06:20:13 pm
Kate felt NERVOUS for Meghan at their first joint engagement: Body language between the Duchess and Ms Markle reveals fascinating hints about their relationship - and hints at future friendly clashes

Ms. Markle could have been forgiven for feeling nervous as she took her seat alongside the Duchess of Cambridge today for their first joint engagement.

But according to body language analysts, far from being a shrinking violet, Meghan came across as an 'unstoppable force of nature' determined to get her point across - even if it meant talking over her future sister-in-law at times - during a Royal Foundation Q&A in the City of London.

MailOnline FEMAIL spoke to bestselling author Judi James and communications coach Robin Kermode to find out what Kate and Meghan's body language reveals about their relationship - with Judi noting that the Duchess appeared anxious on behalf of the 'new kid on the block' as she makes her first tentative steps into royal life.

Judi said: 'The dynamics between Meghan and Kate threw up some fascinating body language that could even suggest or hint at some future friendly clashes between two strong women.

'The pair seemed to skip any sister-in-law style tie-signs or exchanged smiles and chat. Their chairs had been placed close on stage, and there was some superficial mirroring, but they rarely met eye contact.

'Meghan in particular seemed all about getting her passionate messages across.'
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/femail/article-5445087/What-Kate-Meghan-REALLY-think-other.html


Title: Re: Kate & Meghan Relationship Thread
Post by: sandy on February 28, 2018, 06:26:53 pm
Judi seems to want to stir the waters and call attention to her "work." It was a public appearance why would they chit chat.


Title: Re: Kate & Meghan Relationship Thread
Post by: CathyJane on March 01, 2018, 02:04:39 am
Waity nervous for MEggles? Nah. Both are too self centered and pushy


Title: Re: Kate & Meghan Relationship Thread
Post by: dianab on March 01, 2018, 05:42:57 pm
i think kate is a very insecure woman and already meghan overly confident one- I think same about carole maybe she's way smatter than Meghan

i believe kate was nervous but for HERSELF


Title: Re: Kate & Meghan Relationship Thread
Post by: india on March 01, 2018, 06:53:32 pm
We all know that The Potato Head has no girl friends. She dislikes other women intensely especially pretty ones.


Title: Re: Kate & Meghan Relationship Thread
Post by: CathyJane on March 02, 2018, 02:34:04 am
I'm sure she despised MEggles the instant she heard she and Harry were dating.


Title: Re: Kate & Meghan Relationship Thread
Post by: india on March 02, 2018, 03:01:16 pm
Of course, The Potato Head despises Meghan. Meghan is very pretty. Kate is ordinary looking except for the fact that she has a big old inflated Potato Head.


Title: Re: Kate & Meghan Relationship Thread
Post by: lesken on August 19, 2018, 07:01:47 pm
Murky is not pretty. Attractive but that is it.


Title: Re: Kate & Meghan Relationship Thread
Post by: Byechoc on August 19, 2018, 07:36:55 pm

i believe kate was nervous but for HERSELF

This...

I believe the way she thinks is: keep your friends close and your enemies even closer... And because Kate is a snob, she will be far away from Meghan because of this Markle scandals


Title: Re: Kate & Meghan Relationship Thread
Post by: HRH Tiana of NOLA on August 19, 2018, 07:42:03 pm
^Yup. I still believe the only reason Kate came out of hibernation for Wimbledon was that it's one of her patronages and there was no way in heck she was going to let Meghan floss on her territory.


Title: Re: Kate & Meghan Relationship Thread
Post by: HRHOlya on August 19, 2018, 08:28:48 pm
^ Totally, but also because Kate would never miss Wimbledon. I'm pretty sure she's attended every year since marriage and she sure as heck wasn't going to miss this year, even if she'd given birth a day before.


Title: Re: Kate & Meghan Relationship Thread
Post by: Kuei Fei on August 19, 2018, 09:57:04 pm
If you pay close attention, Kate was snubbing Meg as Meg walked up to Harry at the wedding; Kate's face was turned to the side looking elsewhere.

I'm sure she despised MEggles the instant she heard she and Harry were dating.
Of course, The Potato Head despises Meghan. Meghan is very pretty. Kate is ordinary looking except for the fact that she has a big old inflated Potato Head.

Not to mention the fact that Meg dated and married HER Harry; Kate is also no longer the center of attention and is not at all basically the only woman anymore. Harry at some point will have his own kids and then Kate's kids will no longer be the center of it all. Remember how Kate was drooling over Harry in 2012? She was clearly marking HER territory and basically now she's yesterday's news. She might be future Queen, but that doesn't mean anything to the press. She lives for tabloid coverage and she's not getting it anymore.

I don't think Kate also likes how Meg gets to do celebrity gatherings and gets more expensive stuff to wear than she does as well. I'm certain that Kate loathes Meg out of pure jealous spite.


Title: Re: Kate & Meghan Relationship Thread
Post by: Val on August 19, 2018, 10:25:08 pm
Those close say Kate and ma midd are ‘thrilled’ at the bad press Meghan is getting.  They are hoping that people will forget the crotch and butt flashing that Kate was universally known for.  At least for all her faults Meghan hasn’t done that. 


Title: Re: Kate & Meghan Relationship Thread
Post by: HRH Tiana of NOLA on August 19, 2018, 10:30:28 pm
^I don't doubt it at all. Ma probably buys all the tabloids just for kicks.


Title: Re: Kate & Meghan Relationship Thread
Post by: sandy on August 19, 2018, 10:36:05 pm
Kate having the third child was not a matter of great excitement this time. THe Christening did not comparatively get much attention.

THe Midds can't look down on Meghan because they are common folk and they have the embarrassment of Uncle Gary who got arrested for beating his wife. He's a loose cannon. And the loose cannon can act up when the Midds are at their most self righteous. Plus there is the matter of getting James married off. I don't think Kate's embarrassing photo ops have left the Internet. She can be called out on those photos since they are still out there.

Kate has the dilemma of possibly having to work more if Meghan is seen doing work. But she can always try to play the stay at home mom card and that only applies to work.

What Kate and Meghan have in common is the lack of  close women friends. Kate would see other women as "threats" if they came too close to WIll.


Title: Re: Kate & Meghan Relationship Thread
Post by: Kuei Fei on August 20, 2018, 12:47:39 am
I think Kate and Co. look good in the press, but the reality is, that the people the Midds want to marry James off to, are not stupid and don't care about press columnists calling them snobs or uptight or any other kind of BS if James is rejected. Aristocrats fight dirty and the reason Pippa didn't land Percy is because the Percy family pushed back against press coverage that kept announcing a romance and I am certain that the Percy family took legal action. Shortly after, Percy closed his office and so did Pippa (closing her nearby office). I do believe that Kate is relying on this new spate of good press to get a campaign going for James, but as long as Meg is dominating the press, there is no way the DM and Midds can do a proper advertising campaign for James.


Title: Re: Kate & Meghan Relationship Thread
Post by: HRHOlya on August 20, 2018, 07:42:50 am
Uncle Fester was indeed in the pess recently for beating his wife, but the difference is that no one comments or talks and so these stories disappear fairly quickly.

Also the Midds have (on the surface) only Gary as black sheep, but watching press and going by Murky's slagging off of her family all of her family are black sheep.

Kate has snubbed Murky since the beginning and I agree she's fairly upset to not be "top woman" anymore and has to share the spotlight and I think Scarole & Waity were dreading Murky marrying in, but so far it has turnt out to be a huge blessing for them and I bet they're cackling their heads off.

I also bet K loathes M's expensive wardobe, but I think she (with ma) is smarter than we give her credit for, because she must realize that her "modest" (appearing) wardrobe makes her much more likeable.


Title: Re: Kate & Meghan Relationship Thread
Post by: sandy on August 20, 2018, 11:57:06 am
I don't see anything really likeable about either of them. I think Kate is even more pretentious when she tries to look "thrifty." Kate and Meghan are not used to having close women friends so of course they would be "distant." Kate "won" William by giving death stares to other women. 


Title: Re: Kate & Meghan Relationship Thread
Post by: Byechoc on August 20, 2018, 04:15:43 pm
Not to mention the fact that Meg dated and married HER Harry;
Well, it took several years but Kate got the big prize... and her wedding was far more luxurious than Meghan's... even her dress was a lot better than Meghan's... A lot more people than Meghan's watch the wedding in London or even on Tv... the big exception for the US but they are British and US opinion doesn't matter for anything!!!

Kate is also no longer the centre of attention and is not at all basically the only woman anymore.
She knows that... But at some point, she will see this as something positive she can relax a bit... she might get jealous for a lot of things but she will always be the more important of them both...

Harry at some point will have his own kids and then Kate's kids will no longer be the centre of it all.
They might be some attention but despite that when the first one or 2 are born but after that, they will be forgotten just like all the other members, they will speak about then when something bad happens or when they will marry... unlike kate children that will have a burden of the press for several years...

Remember how Kate was drooling over Harry in 2012? She was clearly marking HER territory and basically now she's yesterday's news. She might be future Queen, but that doesn't mean anything to the press.
She is very important for the press, Meghan is the one that will have to deal with negative press, Kate will be protected because she is the future queen, If editors have to make one of them look bad, I am sure that they will pick Meghan, doing that is basically kill the golden chicken, and they will never do that!!! Just like happened in the past, the press knew that William did the same things as Harry, always went public with harry's bad behaviour never with William, they will never put kate on a bad light, even this circus with the Markle's they are doing this protect William and kate.

I don't think Kate also likes how Meg gets to do celebrity gatherings and gets more expensive stuff to wear than she does as well. I'm certain that Kate loathes Meg out of pure jealous spite.

Meghan is not getting expensive stuff because they like her very much... and after all this circus, I can imagine how she is being treated by the members of the family... in am sure that Charles is not happy at all, because this is bringing enormous limitations to their popularity... nothing like this happened when Kate arrived, they were very popular at time... I believe that Meghan just makes a choice and get's it... and Harry allows her, because he is in love... but let's see for how long this will last... or when Charles puts a limit to their budget....


Title: Re: Kate & Meghan Relationship Thread
Post by: sandy on August 20, 2018, 04:24:41 pm
I did not like Kate's dress or Meghan's. When I first saw Kate in the dress I thought it was blah. I must say I was disappointed in both dresses.

Kate's laziness has made her less than popular with some. She has had the workshy tag since the courtship.

Kate has not been "protected" by the press who published those photos of her backside during the wardrobe mishaps.

I think Kate's eldest children will have more of a press burden than Louis (unless he is a troublemaker as he grows up). It will be on the future King and the only Princess. I think the press might be interested in seeing royal cousins interrelating after the arrival of Kate and Harry's children.

Actually I think Kate and Will's wedding was not as spectacular as Charles and Diana's or even Sarah and Andrew's. The placement of the trees made it rather tacky. And the focus on Pippa's rear end. Both weddings (M and H; K and W) were decidedly not special. I thought is that all there is?

Kate was called Waity and she still is called that.

No comment about Charles being "upset."


Title: Re: Kate & Meghan Relationship Thread
Post by: Byechoc on August 20, 2018, 04:53:35 pm
I did not like Kate's dress or Meghan's. When I first saw Kate in the dress I thought it was blah. I must say I was disappointed in both dresses.
it's not the type of dress that a lot of people will choose... but kate was chosen as better for a lot more people when they saw Meghan.... and its possible to accept the cost of Kate's wedding dress than Meghan... I still don«t understand how that wedding dress costs all that when is possible to buy it for 1500 pounds...

Kate's laziness has made her less than popular with some. She has had the workshy tag since the courtship.
like you said, with some not with all of them... but in protocol she almost never made mistakes, and she could do a good job

Kate has not been "protected" by the press who published those photos of her backside during the wardrobe mishaps.
She was not? are you sure... when the scandal in Provence broke they were all at her side, protecting her against those magazines... when those pictures of the yellow dress in Canada or red dress was always praised for something: or good legs, or how a good mother she was...

I think Kate's eldest children will have more of a press burden than Louis (unless he is a troublemaker as he grows up). It will be on the future King and the only Princess. I think the press might be interested in seeing royal cousins interrelating after the arrival of Kate and Harry's children.
yes I believe they will be interested in that at the start... but as soon as the time passes it will end up just like I said. Of course, we will have a period that none will care about them like from 11 to 17 if nothing bad happens

Actually I think Kate and Will's wedding was not as spectacular as Charles and Diana's or even Sarah and Andrew's. The placement of the trees made it rather tacky. And the focus on Pippa's rear end. Both weddings (M and H; K and W) were decidedly not special. I thought is that all there is?
  You can't compare Cand D wedding with any other wedding... Charles was the heir to the throne, William is the heir of the heir... so quite different... if Charles was King William's wedding will be as big as that... at the time despite the riots, England was in a better economic stage than when William's wedding happened... after scandals Lehams brothers, Europe had a massive recession, with Greece, Portugal, Spain and other countries were in massive problems... and all the countries including UK had to help their economy... so... they were able to do a big wedding that I think was far better than Fergie and Andrew.. They got the most important people from European royalty... far more crown princes and princesses or even kings and queens... at Sarah and Andrew that did not happen!!! that shows the difference of these weddings

Kate was called Waity and she still is called that.

No comment about Charles being "upset."
regarding the name, well she got it in the past, she will always have it, just like Fergie and Diana had the shy di...
Well they are already saying that they don't know how to deal with Meghan's family... when you don't know how to deal with your relatives... that means a lot


Title: Re: Kate & Meghan Relationship Thread
Post by: sandy on August 20, 2018, 05:04:48 pm
Royals don't buy cheap wedding dresses.  There are "knockoffs" of wedding dresses. Diana's gown was copied right away (as soon as it was seen on TV) and knockoffs were made. I don't think the DM knows what either Kate's or Meghan's gown actually cost. I must say I am disappointed in the dresses Kate and Meghan ended up with.

Kate has made plenty of mistakes. For instance it took her a long time to weigh her skirts and she had those "flashing" photos. A woman with "smarts" would know better. Kate is always about "could" and so far has not been an achiever in the work department. She has been criticized for being workshy and took a long time even to start working even before she had the babies.

But why did the press not destroy the "flashing" photos to protect Kate?

Andrew was not the heir to the throne but he and Fergie had the Westminster Abbey big wedding. Just like Kate and William, same venue. She had a very elaborate gown as well.


Title: Re: Kate & Meghan Relationship Thread
Post by: Byechoc on August 20, 2018, 05:17:38 pm
Sandy, you are speaking of the European press, not about the British press.... at the moment European press can't use those photos... and they are not selling that because it's forbidden...
Remember that they are British, and only that press matters to them... if you are going to the past, the world could say whatever they want about Edward VII but the thing only went bad to his side when the UK press turn against him...
No matter what is said in France, Germany, Italy Spain, Russia or US press it does not affect them unless they want to do it...

Regarding weddings: even Harry could have Westminster Abbey... in the end, Kate had a private tour in the Abbey and chose that one... so it was an option and that does not make their wedding big... because even the queen's cousin married there... Regarding grown, well don't think that Sarah grown was that spectacular, but that is not the big thing... they were different but while Andrew was someone quite down at the time, William will never have his position down... so the wedding was different... even on the invitations you had a lot of differences that show... the number of people that were invited was different and while Kate and William had BP from start to the end... Sarah and Andrew only had it for the breakfast.


Title: Re: Kate & Meghan Relationship Thread
Post by: sandy on August 20, 2018, 08:44:54 pm
Gowns appeared to be "big" in the eighties compared to the straight line gowns by brides today (Kate and Meghan).


Title: Re: Kate & Meghan Relationship Thread
Post by: Byechoc on August 20, 2018, 09:25:45 pm
Gowns appeared to be "big" in the eighties compared to the straight line gowns by brides today (Kate and Meghan).
But that is fashion... That does not make them better... I have to say that I will never use any of the grows from British royal brides.... for me, they are not the best... despite I loved Kate skirt... I think it's one of the best ever...
To me the best bride ever was Charlene, Armani did an amazing grown... shame that now she is awful dressing!!!


Title: Re: Kate & Meghan Relationship Thread
Post by: gingerboy24 on August 21, 2018, 10:18:26 am
^Agree.  Never liked the frock on council cath, and those boob cones  :laugh:  It did nothing for me at all, and as for murky, even worse.  Yes, Charlene´s frock looked lovely, and so did she.  She does know how to dress well, unlike the two trailer trash tarts the rf have allowed in.  They look what they are, trailer trash.

I don´t see council cath and murky being in much of a sister in law relationship, I would imagine the despise one another, it was all a front at Wimbledon, and as for the debacle of the year in May, well, council cath looked very unimpressed, and so would I have been in her position.  Can´t see those two every being anywhere near being friends to be honest, one will want to do the other, lots of friction, which was expected really.


Title: Re: Kate & Meghan Relationship Thread
Post by: sandy on August 21, 2018, 04:02:59 pm
I'm not impressed with either of them. Kate getting judgmental to me is a joke. Kate isn't seen much because of her laziness. Like women with no women friends they would be suspicious of each other.


Title: Re: Kate & Meghan Relationship Thread
Post by: Byechoc on August 21, 2018, 11:04:56 pm
^IF Meghan starts to do more and gets the better publicity she will have to move her bottom to do more.... she was to show that she is worthy of the money


Title: Re: Kate & Meghan Relationship Thread
Post by: Kuei Fei on August 22, 2018, 02:05:41 am
I'm not impressed with either of them. Kate getting judgmental to me is a joke. Kate isn't seen much because of her laziness. Like women with no women friends they would be suspicious of each other.

Kate only gets away with better PR because she's married to William; a Rhesus monkey would get great PR if William had married one. I am certain that Kate is relieved that she has better PR, but I am certain that neither Meg or Kate trust each other. Kate surely dislikes 'sharing' 'her' Harry with a new consort.


Title: Re: Kate & Meghan Relationship Thread
Post by: sandy on August 22, 2018, 01:37:48 pm
At least those appearances with Kate, Will and Harry have stopped and her flirting with Harry. The third child that Kate had seemed to be not as "thrilling"  to the public as perhaps she'd have wanted.  even the name was blah for the third child.


Title: Re: Kate & Meghan Relationship Thread
Post by: AnaBolena on August 22, 2018, 06:19:32 pm
I don’t know how true this is, but the source was quite reliable - apparently Waity does work out of the public eye a lot.  Now I’m not sure if that’s true, but it’s not outside the realms of possibility.


Title: Re: Kate & Meghan Relationship Thread
Post by: gingerboy24 on August 22, 2018, 07:22:27 pm
I read that somewhere, but not convinced it is true. When they were at AH and the, I think it was childrens hospice, EACH, we kept being told in the press council cath went there regularly, but did it quietly and the press did not know.  However, an old friend of mine, who lives in the area and was heavily involved with EACH, said it was rubbish, she never went near nor by.  My friend was in the fund raising area, and was for quite a few years.  The staff were not happy that the press were saying she visited under the radar screen when in fact it was pure that was a pure lie.  Also, the fundraising figures were down because council cath rarely went there to raise their profile, and EACH think it was down to the fact that because council cath was the Patron for them many of the public thought she was indeed helping to raise funds for them.  The whole thing was a non starter.  Sooo, please forgive me if I say that I do not believe for one mintue that she does all these things behind the scenes. Also, when you see her doing some engagements, it is so obvious that she does not really relate with any of her patronages, it is all for people to think she "works" behind the scenes.  I also read, and again could be true or not, that she spends a lot of her with the medds at Dingley Dell, which she has always done really.  She hasn´t been seen for months, so they have to put something out there to try and make people think she is "working" quietly behind the scenes, can´t let murky hog too much of the limelight.  She only had to do one day a week at Jigsaw and the staff themselves said it was so rare she ever turned up it was useless telling people she had a "job" as a "buyer".   All smoke screens and mirrors IMO when you get down to the nitty gritty.  My friend who was at EACH used to be a huge fund raiser in London, and excellent at it too if I say so myself.  So, that came from the horses mouth as we say in the UK.  She was disgusted when she read about the "secret" visits, as were the staff.


Title: Re: Kate & Meghan Relationship Thread
Post by: sandy on August 22, 2018, 07:53:53 pm
Kate was said to be "working from behind the scenes" since she married William. IT was a riposte by her PR to her being said to be lazy.  IMO.I don't think she does much behind the scenes either.

Another tactic done is Kate sending a letter to a charity (probably written by someone else) that is published in the paper.

I am cynical about Kate and the excuses made for her lack of work efforts. Her working but not being "seen" doing so is an excuse and sometimes WIlliam used that excuse as well.

I think this tactic will be "borrowed" by Meghan.


Title: Re: Kate & Meghan Relationship Thread
Post by: Kuei Fei on August 22, 2018, 08:35:38 pm
At least those appearances with Kate, Will and Harry have stopped and her flirting with Harry. The third child that Kate had seemed to be not as "thrilling"  to the public as perhaps she'd have wanted.  even the name was blah for the third child.

It's the end of an era for the media and really, this is par the course in Kate's life. During her twenties the only reason the press covered Kate was because of the constant speculation over whether or not she would make it. Then of course, it was the fact that she was dating the Golden Prince and there were breakups and other miserable moments. Her romance with William wasn't a grand one and it consisted of bars and clubs and jet setting, nothing special or considerate. Kate in her own way was always second place in everything in William's world and life. She was never as well off as Diana, from a totally different spectrum of social standing (among the royals and aristos status does depend on how well you're treated) and she has spent so much time suing the press that perhaps the press is tired of even trying with her anymore. She isn't someone who is new on the scene and not someone from a background of interest; Meg having an  American background does have it's benefits.

Kate had her heyday and now it's passed; the entire circus is more irritating for the public and frankly Kate is old news. Once Meg has her kid, the press will likely give her more coverage and Kate will resent that. I am certain Kate can't seem to handle how the press has cooled towards her and how she's seen as run of the mill garden variety royal that William wants to be, but something Kate didn't marry William for.

I think Kate has serious envy issues since Meg gets to wear big name labels like Givanchy and Kate is stuck dressing more plainly. Then, Meg is married to HER Harry, who I think Kate would secretly prefer to be married to, but couldn't get to via university and I don't think Harry would have kept her around, much less married her. Kate is old news and can't get the top column anymore much and she's rarely ever covered. She's irrelevant in all frankness. Not even her husband seems to want her around. She's not done any work that would keep her in the press and generate goodwill and it is clear that she's uninterested in hosting heads of state or dignitaries.

She's a nothing and if not for her title, she would be a nobody still.


Title: Re: Kate & Meghan Relationship Thread
Post by: Byechoc on August 22, 2018, 08:52:50 pm
Quote
Meg having an  American background does have it's benefits.


I don't see any benefit because she is American... not at all! And with the circus around this family, I think only rises the feeling that Europeans have about Americans!!! That I have to say is wrong, because I know a lot of Americans and they are lovely...

We can say about PR for USA, Trump and the Markles are not the best... one because is a mess, a lies with all the teeth that he has and other because they are trashy!!!

And all this drama will benefit Kate, because they know how to behave, especially in British public eyes... She is from far more suitable to be married to royalty because she does not provide this kind of drama! And I listen to this from my British students, that since the start they don't believe this wedding (from 15 to 17) and because of all this scandal.. one of my girls said that her father told that it was a waste of money and just someone to make the country look bad in the eyes of others


Title: Re: Kate & Meghan Relationship Thread
Post by: sandy on August 22, 2018, 08:59:19 pm
I still don't think much of Kate. No matter what is said about Meghan. Kate is just lazy and her sister is treated as a "celebrity" just walking around London with a baby bump.


Title: Re: Kate & Meghan Relationship Thread
Post by: Ariel on August 23, 2018, 05:36:12 pm
I'm also not buying the behind the scenes work. She might be working hard on her tan and on her tennis abs but not on public service. She's a public servant and as such the public apearances are the ones that count.

Megan is the same imo, plus the merching. She's hiding for months on time then we are subjected to seeing her ever day for a week or two, or most likely - she goes on two events and the paper blow the merching and the praises out of proportion. But the rest of the time ... privileged.life with no deservedness.   


Title: Re: Kate & Meghan Relationship Thread
Post by: Kuei Fei on August 23, 2018, 07:26:51 pm
I still don't think much of Kate. No matter what is said about Meghan. Kate is just lazy and her sister is treated as a "celebrity" just walking around London with a baby bump.

Kate has had the ability to fake a veneer of poshness because her family foot the bill for her lifestyle and she got a posh degree from a posh place and she also has freshly good press because of Meg. Thing is, that since Harry had zero chance at anyone decent, Kate was going to end up getting a better image no matter who Harry married. Usually, the main Heir marries VERY well and I do believe that if William had been first in line, Kate would not have made it to where she is now. No titled, connected aristocrat or royal would want to have to defer to Kate and any genuinely successful woman would have wanted to give it all up to defer to Kate. So really, once William put that ring on Kate's finger, it was over for Harry in terms of finding and getting someone that might actually bring some genuine prestige to the Windsors.


Title: Re: Kate & Meghan Relationship Thread
Post by: sandy on August 23, 2018, 07:36:38 pm
I think that a lot see through her no matter if Meghan is around or not. She can get so much mileage until people notice how lazy she is or continue to see it IMO. For a time, some hoped Harry would marry Cressida because she is Isabella Calthorpe's half sister (William was interested in Isabella) and she would make Kate uncomfortable since Isabella might come around to visit KP frequently. That was the only true possible threat to Kate's composure.


Title: Re: Kate & Meghan Relationship Thread
Post by: HRHOlya on August 23, 2018, 08:53:25 pm
The "behind the scenes" bit is pure bs. This is someone who couldn't be bothered to do the bare minimum at Jigsaw when she had nothing else going in her life (meaning no other business/ work (charitable or profitable), no kids to look after, no husband at home, no rent or mortgage to worry about), the only things she excelled at were partying and being there whenever for whatever for Bill.

She's well known to be lazy and we have accounts from several people who have and still do know her, who've said she finds it very difficult to sympathize with and find interest in other people. These characetristics are as far away as you can be from the bare minimum necessary within yourself to do charity work, and then being only interested in yourself and lazy and working in any form just doesn't fly, not unless your livelihood depends on it, which hers actually does, but it's not like she gets it or feels the danger in not doing any work. The British are not as hungry for revolutions as the French were (and still are...).

I don't have much to add to what has been said and what I've written so far has been said or is known, too.

The actual thing I wanted to write in this post (and then it spiralled) is this:

It was some docu? An article? By a charity person or some PR person? I don't remember, I'm just saying there's a source for this to have my opinion backed up:

There is literally no point for a high profile person doing "behind the scenes" work. That work is the job of the fulltime employees. They have it all managed. Now, if a high-profile person wants to get their hands dirty behind the scenes or has ideas etc then they are 100% welcome to help out. However, a high profile person's literal only job is to raise a charity's profile, so that more donations flood in. That is the only thing they are "hired" for and that is literally Waity's (and all "royals'") only job: go out for photo-ops, give a speech, smile, shake hands, dress up, go home. A speech is even optional.

Even if Waity is doing "behind the scenes work" (yeah right!), then it's pointless. Literally.

And if she were doing stuff "behind the scenes", then we'd see much better results at the actual publicized events (her actual & real job!).

So yeah, by literally all accounts, that's bs. :Kate:

I can never forget that HuffPost moved their whole office to KP for a whole day so that Waity could "edit" the online magazine (instead of her just going there and sparing everyone the ridiculous, redundant & superfluous extra work of moving and setting up a whole frikkin office!!), and she was late!!!! (reminder: it was at K bloody P!!) and then stayed only 1 hour!! And went shopping!!!!! When she was supposed to "edit" she was papped shoppping in London. You couldn't make it up.

This is not someone who "works" "behind the scenes".

She never even stays as long as she's supposed to "at work", except when she hoists herself on film sets (eg Downton Abbey), then she overstays, any schedule be damned!!

Gawd.


Title: Re: Kate & Meghan Relationship Thread
Post by: LadySnowWhite on August 25, 2018, 09:26:26 pm
^ Thank you!   Could not agree more.

And as a child and youth psychiatric nurse, it infuriates me the crap "job" she has done "championing" mental health and the false information she spreads with her "speeches".

Anyway, I am not under any impression that Kate has it in her to genuinely like other women her age range (or younger). I don't think she cares much about anyone other than herself and her kids, but certainly not other family members besides the Middletons. I think she begrudgingly will do things with Meghan, but I do not believe they hang out behind the cameras.


Title: Re: Kate & Meghan Relationship Thread
Post by: Kuei Fei on August 25, 2018, 10:00:35 pm
I do wonder why there's this pressure for every female royal to be best buds; I beleive Kate dislikes how Meg has 'her' Harry and dislikes being ignored by the press while Meg gets all this coverage. I also believe that Kate is having problems being superfluous while Meg gets more drama in her life and will be hostessing the Invictus Games.

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There is literally no point for a high profile person doing "behind the scenes" work. That work is the job of the fulltime employees. They have it all managed. Now, if a high-profile person wants to get their hands dirty behind the scenes or has ideas etc then they are 100% welcome to help out. However, a high profile person's literal only job is to raise a charity's profile, so that more donations flood in. That is the only thing they are "hired" for and that is literally Waity's (and all "royals'") only job: go out for photo-ops, give a speech, smile, shake hands, dress up, go home. A speech is even optional.

I believe Kate just has that released to make it sound like she is actually more than just ornamental. She wants to be taken seriously and regrettably that isn't her job.


Title: Re: Kate & Meghan Relationship Thread
Post by: HRHOlya on August 25, 2018, 11:06:29 pm
^^ Omg I forgot about her shyt speeches putting blame at the parents' feet for their children's mental illnesses.
She's really shyt at the only job she's ever had (forget the Jigsaw bs), and this one has always been only "part time" too. She doesn't even write her own speeches, and her team must be totally inept to procure such horse manure.

I think that's why she's mostly only ever seen but never heard and why they leaked that Kate "models" herself on Liz qm (be seen but not heard), I think it's self-preservation because they realized fairly quickly that she's incredibly dim, so much for the "highest educated woman to marry into the RF". Yikes, is not a good ad for Marlborough or St Andrews. Smh.

^^ I agree very much, bearing in mind that she had trouble being interested in other people, she has no need for friends. So Meg falls off anyway, also because she's competition and K simply isn't interested, it's as plain and simple as that. K is only interested in men, and then only in those she fantasizes shtupping and then basically dry humps them, cameras and the public and her husband right next to her be damned.

^ I agree with all that too. The need for all them to be BFFs... It's the same with actors etc, people like to imagine what they are all like behind closed doors and either like to dream up bytch fights or BFF scenarios and are disappointed when the opposite of their preference is true or neither (i.e. people being professionals and working well together, but not socializing, esp when it comes down to actors).


Title: Re: Kate & Meghan Relationship Thread
Post by: sandy on August 25, 2018, 11:12:16 pm
Kate got her degree is MRS and got a relatively easy A major. A major she really did not use she had very sporadic work and could have done something with her art history degree but didn't.  Supposedly she was so great she was going to have an photography exhibit which never materializes. And the photos she takes are nothing spectacular. It's insulting to young women who had a more challenging program of study and advanced degrees and really used the degree instead of sitting back waiting for the phone to ring. Interesting how she decided to major in art history--it just happened to be William's original major, what a coincidence. LOL.

Kate never really had any women friends of her own and saw most of them as threats. She even showed up at a wedding weirdly copying Jecca Craig's style of dress. She and Meghan are alike in not having close women friends so naturally they won't be "close."


Title: Re: Kate & Meghan Relationship Thread
Post by: Kuei Fei on August 25, 2018, 11:36:37 pm
I do think she's bitter with envy that Meg gets to go on trips to celeb jet set locations while she rots in the shires with her dolt husband.

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^^ I agree very much, bearing in mind that she had trouble being interested in other people, she has no need for friends. So Meg falls off anyway, also because she's competition and K simply isn't interested, it's as plain and simple as that. K is only interested in men, and then only in those she fantasizes shtupping and then basically dry humps them, cameras and the public and her husband right next to her be damned.

She and her greedy family care only about themselves and how much they can get out of the BRF and others by association.


Title: Re: Kate & Meghan Relationship Thread
Post by: Demeter on October 04, 2018, 02:24:24 am
I do this all this press over the back to back engagements is trying to foster a connection between them--rivalry or relationship, I don't know. I suspect that fluctuates like the wind depending on the whims of the press and PR. I've read speculation today that a) they both planned to wear green this week. b) Kate copied Meg. c) Meg copied Kate, and d) that the green is some kind of hidden message. It's a bit like whiplash reading/hearing it all.


Title: Re: Kate & Meghan Relationship Thread
Post by: Kuei Fei on October 06, 2018, 12:56:49 am
Interestingly, before the advent of Diana and Fergie, it was taken for granted that the Princess of Wales and Duchess of York would live different lives of their own and it was expected that they be civil, not best buds in the whole wide world. Now Meg and Kate have to put up a front of being best buds in public, something I think is the very opposite. I believe Kate and Meg remind one another of each other in ways both would rather forget. Kate wants to forget her own tawdriness, Meg would like to forget the fact that like Kate, she worked her way towards Harry the same way that Kate did towards William. I don't think Kate has a perfect family life and I do think Meg is quite jealous that Kate will be Queen Consort; meanwhile Meg has Harry and Kate likely resents that she will not be the only female of the new generation.

I do believe they are two halves of the same coin; more alike than they would like to admit.


Title: Re: Kate & Meghan Relationship Thread
Post by: Joanna on October 06, 2018, 10:16:21 am
^  :laugh:  :laugh: :laugh:  I fully agree!

Two Rebbeca Sharps the pair of them. One always trying to out do the other.

Imagine the awkwardness of family meals at important days like Christmas and such. You could cut it with a knive...


Title: Re: Kate & Meghan Relationship Thread
Post by: Demeter on October 06, 2018, 04:23:58 pm
^ I would venture to guess the amount of alcohol flowing around those meals would only fan the flames of resentment. Maybe HM will eat quickly to avoid one of them leaping across the table with a screech.


Title: Re: Kate & Meghan Relationship Thread
Post by: lesken on October 06, 2018, 05:11:54 pm
Waity and Murks are very different women although they both used similar tactics to seal the deal with the princes, intimate private home cooked meals, etc and both want to be the most fashionable woman alive, etc. and both are parading their family around them which isn't the worse thing if you believe in family values.  But Waity is very English and Murks is very typical Hollywood starlet and a liberal Californian. I don't see those two having a lot in common in terms of girl talk, etc. But as sister in laws they can easily get along at functions. Diana and Fergie were genuine friends for awhile until something broke them up. I don't remember what. But I had read Diana pushed Fergie to Andrew initially and wanted a cohort in the circle. Waity and Murks are not that way at all and may never have a falling out as they are never going to be close. Murks is a narc so she will be jealous of any attention Kate takes away from her. Waity doesn't care as much as she is the more senior person in that group. She will get the Cornwall income with Wills when HM goes. She doesn't need to merch herself.


Title: Re: Kate & Meghan Relationship Thread
Post by: sandy on October 06, 2018, 08:07:48 pm
Kate is trying to carve an image for herself. She now is playing mumsy type who feels "her role" is not to work but stay home with the kiddies. Even though not much is really demanded of her just doing appearances. In her own way, she likes the attention as much as Meghan. IMO. Kate has shown that she likes Hollywood glamour since there was a stopover in Hollywood during the honeymoon with Will. I think Kate may get equally jealous of Meghan. I think there will be a wariness between them.


Title: Re: Kate & Meghan Relationship Thread
Post by: Kuei Fei on October 10, 2018, 04:55:52 am
I think the expectation that they be fabulous friends is something that should be let go of; there will be a wariness mainly since Kate is someone who mistrusts other women and sees them as competition or a threat. Meg has her buddies, but I think she realizes that Kate covets Harry and dislikes the fact that Harry now has his own life.


Title: Re: Kate & Meghan Relationship Thread
Post by: Demeter on October 10, 2018, 08:42:47 pm
I don't see why the Best Friends Forever narrative is such a Big Thing. To me, pushing the narrative that they're friendly but occupied with their own work and duties would go a long way to making them seem engaged and busy. Then again, who would swallow it? Still, the notion that just because they both married in that they should be friends is contrary to the facts of the situation, and common sense.


Title: Re: Kate & Meghan Relationship Thread
Post by: Kuei Fei on October 10, 2018, 10:51:57 pm
I don't get it either; neither will be equals, Kate will become Princess of Wales and then set to become Queen Consort after that. Meg is set to become Duchess of York and then nothing further. They are alike in many ways, but Kate has the PR of being more elegant and classy and I do think Meg will lead the more exotic life.


Title: Re: Kate & Meghan Relationship Thread
Post by: sandy on October 11, 2018, 12:25:25 am
I don't think Meghan will be Duchess of York. Andrew will most likely be around for years. And by the time of Andrew's decease let's say in his nineties, Louis the second son will most likely be Duke of York not Harry.


Title: Re: Kate & Meghan Relationship Thread
Post by: leogirl on October 11, 2018, 08:07:21 am
^ I agree that Louis will most likely be the next Duke of York. I guess it makes sense that the Cambridges had a third child, since George is the heir and Charlotte will be the next Princess Royal. Andrew is 11 years younger than Charles, so he'll probably outlive his older brother (meaning William will be King when he passes).

Kate will eventually end up as Queen consort. Meghan has the highest title she'll ever get right now (Duchess).


Title: Re: Kate & Meghan Relationship Thread
Post by: Cali San D on October 11, 2018, 04:42:03 pm
I'm sure Megs is not happy just being a duchess, its not her personality. And it really shouldn't make a difference because Kate and Megs are in the same family, they are both royals. But when Kate wears those big tiaras, Meg is gonna gulp!  :laugh:


Title: Re: Kate & Meghan Relationship Thread
Post by: sandy on October 11, 2018, 05:00:47 pm
If Camilla lets Kate near the big tiaras that is.


Title: Re: Kate & Meghan Relationship Thread
Post by: BostonLibby on October 11, 2018, 05:58:41 pm
^ Good point!  :Kate:


Title: Re: Kate & Meghan Relationship Thread
Post by: HRHOlya on October 14, 2018, 08:58:35 pm
If the monarchy is still around by then, then I also think that Harry will be skipped over and Louis will be given the York title. Should Harry have a son, then I'm even more sure that Louis will be the next doY, because H's hypothetical son would otherwise succeed his father and inherit all titles. C will be princess royal, but Anne has to pass before that title can be given on.


Title: Re: Kate & Meghan Relationship Thread
Post by: Demeter on October 14, 2018, 09:47:29 pm
I sort of wonder how their relationship will be impacted if MM continues to be so visible to the public and KM does her usual routine. Irrespective of their future titles, that has to be a factor. I just thought of this again largely because of MM's tour.


Title: Re: Kate & Meghan Relationship Thread
Post by: HRHOlya on October 14, 2018, 10:04:45 pm
^ Certainly. Also should we get so far that K becomes qconsort.
Realistically, we'll see any real impact in about a year at the earliest, because M(&H) is still very fresh and the kerfuffle around her/ them is the direct result of the recent wedding. In about a year it's bound to (at least start to) die down, so then we'll really start to see how their relationship is and how people receive them and the media.
That said, M has already been thrown under the bus in favour of K in the media, which is just the start of the joy-ride for the spare (couple) and the old shtick of favouring the heir (couple). I wonder how Murky will handle that, I bet she thought it wouldn't happen to her and then it happened sooner than even I anticipated. :akasha:


Title: Re: Kate & Meghan Relationship Thread
Post by: Demeter on October 14, 2018, 10:27:15 pm
Meghan should have studied how the press treated Fergie when she was the DoY. She shouldn't assume she will always have the press on her side because she can sell herself as 'hipper' and 'cooler'.


Title: Re: Kate & Meghan Relationship Thread
Post by: sandy on October 14, 2018, 10:29:32 pm
I don't think all media outlets have thrown M under a bus for Kate. People and US Magazine love them both and praise them to the skies. The DM seems to be the one who produces click bait articles and show cases Sam. It does not represent all media outlets. Kate had all but disappeared so could not be a target. Now that she's out and about and already had another flashing episode, She will get more criticism.


Title: Re: Kate & Meghan Relationship Thread
Post by: Demeter on October 14, 2018, 11:51:47 pm
I think the Markles and the Middletons are more alike than many people would realize, and I think the way Carole et al. are treated is going to set a precedent for Doria that may well become a sticking point in any relationship they have. Neither daughter would stand for one mother being favored, and Kate has something of a head start.


Title: Re: Kate & Meghan Relationship Thread
Post by: Val on October 15, 2018, 08:58:49 am
Ma allegedly already plotting on ways for Kate to outshine Sparkles.  A recent example was when Kate was sent out looking very countryfied and dressed down for a visit (and in ma’s book classier).  Kate doesn’t however have Sparkles ability to connect with the public or give articulate speeches and hold intelligent conversations.  Although I am not a Sparkles fan that is the nub of the matter and Sparkles has a big head start.


Title: Re: Kate & Meghan Relationship Thread
Post by: india on October 15, 2018, 02:11:25 pm
Meghan has a major advantage over The Potato Head. And we all know what that is.


Title: Re: Kate & Meghan Relationship Thread
Post by: Kuei Fei on October 15, 2018, 09:47:37 pm
Ma allegedly already plotting on ways for Kate to outshine Sparkles.  A recent example was when Kate was sent out looking very countryfied and dressed down for a visit (and in ma’s book classier).  Kate doesn’t however have Sparkles ability to connect with the public or give articulate speeches and hold intelligent conversations.  Although I am not a Sparkles fan that is the nub of the matter and Sparkles has a big head start.

I think Caorle should give up and stop trying to start some PR turf war; I think the courtiers want to avoid an ongoing war between Kate and Meg and I wager the courtiers do not want a war if only for the reason that they had enough BS PR dramas between Diana and Fergie. If Kate starts up more trouble, it'll only create more ill-will towards Kate since the courtiers don't want any more drama, just peace and stability and routine. I think Kate might pick a fight, but the reality is, she can't win since Harry will push back and William might in fact start treating her worse for just making trouble.


Title: Re: Kate & Meghan Relationship Thread
Post by: Val on October 15, 2018, 09:59:11 pm


Yes India, enormous and ma must be apoplectic as there is nothing she can do about it.  She will be sitting on the sofa (or settee as she calls it) smoking frantically, quaffing her favourite Chablis and returning to her roots (with her usually hidden) effin and blinding.


Title: Re: Kate & Meghan Relationship Thread
Post by: lesken on October 15, 2018, 10:53:32 pm
Come on if PC is dead, Will gets the tiaras . Cami is not the mother of wills. Kate will be above her. HA AH


Title: Re: Kate & Meghan Relationship Thread
Post by: india on October 16, 2018, 12:09:06 am
Meggie is gonna win on this one.


Title: Re: Kate & Meghan Relationship Thread
Post by: Snowpea on October 16, 2018, 03:03:33 am
1000 years of Monarchy and it's come down to a Gauche-climbing former Yacht Girl/Booty Call and an American grifter who simulated sex acts on screen as a career.

 :o


Title: Re: Kate & Meghan Relationship Thread
Post by: Kuei Fei on October 16, 2018, 03:19:21 am
^All those years of history and ancestral inheritance mean nothing to the princes, that is why this happened. Charles never appreciated his wife's lineage and his own ancestral greatness (his learning about monarchy probably goes as far back as Queen Victoria) and neither William or Harry were raised to appreciate their ancestry.


Title: Re: Kate & Meghan Relationship Thread
Post by: Snowpea on October 16, 2018, 03:43:33 am
Can't disagree with you about this one - these boys are so obtuse and lacking in intelligence and any sense of honour and dignity it's ridiculous.  :bored:

I wonder how Kate is going to one up MeAgain on the PR front?


Title: Re: Kate & Meghan Relationship Thread
Post by: sandy on October 16, 2018, 02:48:13 pm
Kate may just get pregnant again. And have that condition she gets in the early stages where she has to stay home.


Title: Re: Kate & Meghan Relationship Thread
Post by: india on October 16, 2018, 03:10:11 pm
^ :tehe: :tehe: :tehe:


Title: Re: Kate & Meghan Relationship Thread
Post by: BostonLibby on October 16, 2018, 05:26:08 pm
^^ Yes, and maybe that's one of the reasons MM went on this tour - Kate would never do it at this point in a pregnancy.


Title: Re: Kate & Meghan Relationship Thread
Post by: meememe on October 16, 2018, 11:39:41 pm
^All those years of history and ancestral inheritance mean nothing to the princes, that is why this happened. Charles never appreciated his wife's lineage and his own ancestral greatness (his learning about monarchy probably goes as far back as Queen Victoria) and neither William or Harry were raised to appreciate their ancestry.

We do know, for a fact, that that is wrong as Charles has spoken about his admiration for George III and how he was misunderstood. He has also spoken at times about earlier Kings and knows their contributions to the development of the country over which he will one day be king - and not just Kings of England but also the Kings of Scotland.

William and Harry were raised to appreciate their ancestry. They are fully aware of the incredible history of their family and they also understand their role in British society. At times they have found it overwhelming but they are fully aware and appreciate it which is why they were determined to find wives who would support them in that endeavour.

After the disasters of the marriages of her sons and daughter The Queen decided that there would only be one criteria for giving consent to a marriage - that the couple were in love. She was convinced of that in the case of both William and Kate and Harry and Meghan - as is Charles - and so consent was given. She is also very happy with the way the ladies are going about their duties and is completely supportive of them again as is Charles.

William and Harry are modernising the monarchy from the stuffy way that the older generation did things to a more modern approach but then the Queen modernised as well and Charles has introduced some reforms of his own. The reason why the British monarchy survives is its ability to modernise in keeping with the times - such as allowing women who had been divorced to marry and no insisting on blue-blooded virgins for wives.


Title: Re: Kate & Meghan Relationship Thread
Post by: sandy on October 16, 2018, 11:51:08 pm
It was not just allowing a divorcee to marry into the family it was the same woman who was a key factor in the failure of Diana and CHarles' marriage. And once Diana was in that family she was treated very badly. The Queen did make some serious blunders.

The point is I think after Diana was treated so badly, other aristo parents and their daughters were leery into marrying a royal prince. The boys also have great lineage through their mother's side of the family. It would not have been a  bad thing if William and Harry's parents could have made a go of it. It is not stuffy if a prince and a woman of little experience and from a noted family could have made a go of it. William and Harry would not have been "stuffy" if they found aristo women and married them.

Charles did not introduce any marriage reforms he himself was and is an anachronism with his idea of marriage.


Title: Re: Kate & Meghan Relationship Thread
Post by: Kuei Fei on October 17, 2018, 12:13:26 am
^Exactly.

Thing is, that the Windsors also mistreated Diana after death and slander her nonstop; no family wants a daughter of theirs treated this way and now there is no guarantee that the princes would even want to remain married. Both WH have shown the type of women they truly prefer and it isn't pretty.


Title: Re: Kate & Meghan Relationship Thread
Post by: CathyJane on October 17, 2018, 03:19:05 am
The Midds pretty much offered Waity up as Willy's mattress from the time she was what 18? I don;t think the Midds would think anything about any nasty treatment Waity would get as long as the sprogs are there.


Title: Re: Kate & Meghan Relationship Thread
Post by: Kuei Fei on October 17, 2018, 08:38:37 pm
I wouldn't call the Midds a decent, loving family that has the happiness and welfare of their children in mind. They are worse than the Boleyns.


Title: Re: Kate & Meghan Relationship Thread
Post by: Diaphenous on October 22, 2018, 10:07:38 pm
Kate may just get pregnant again. And have that condition she gets in the early stages where she has to stay home.


I take it you mean the lazyitis condition!!! :laugh: :laugh: :laugh:


Title: Re: Kate & Meghan Relationship Thread
Post by: Alexandrine on November 16, 2018, 09:10:44 pm
I think that Kate (or Catherine Quin) is now trolling Meghan. Except for very important events (her first one, remebrance and state visit) Kate has been repeating all her clothes. Meanwhile Meghan... well I thought sbe was smarter.


Title: Re: Kate & Meghan Relationship Thread
Post by: HRHOlya on November 16, 2018, 09:17:56 pm
^ They always sold K as "thrifty" (erm.. yeah but no!), but now it's even more important and I too think that the choice to re-wear outfits all these last few engagements was deliberate, because of M's reckless spending (another Fergster here?) and because she's back from maternity leave, so after a long absence and another child hoisted on the taxpayer it looks better all round to re-wear and be "thrifty". If K lacks the foresight, I am very sure that Quinn is seeing to whip "sensible" outfits onto K.


Title: Re: Kate & Meghan Relationship Thread
Post by: Kuei Fei on November 16, 2018, 09:27:14 pm
I think that Kate (or Catherine Quin) is now trolling Meghan. Except for very important events (her first one, remebrance and state visit) Kate has been repeating all her clothes. Meanwhile Meghan... well I thought sbe was smarter.

I think it is more simple: Charles yanked the credit card because Kate hasn't been working; Meg has been working since her engagement and therefore, Meg is getting all the money she can get for the best stuff. I just think Kate hasn't gotten any shopping money and I believe Charles has just cut her out from new things until she starts working a regular full schedule. No more credit card with the possibility of her working, she now just has to work for it for a while and THEN she MIGHT get new clothes. I think Kate might blame Meg for her being cut out, but since Meg is working, Meg is getting the favortism from Charles.


Title: Re: Kate & Meghan Relationship Thread
Post by: Alexandrine on November 16, 2018, 09:28:16 pm
I have nwver believed Charles does that. Will would have a tantrum that it would be seen from the moon.


Title: Re: Kate & Meghan Relationship Thread
Post by: Kuei Fei on November 16, 2018, 09:32:05 pm
^You make it sound like William would care; in order to throw a fit, William would have to care about Kate and I do not think he has cared about her at all for a very long time. This is a man who skipped Easter church with his wife to attend to his 'charity work' with Jecca and he has left Kate behind numerous times. Christ, even on his honeymoon he was snapped as being fairly diffident towards her. He even had FRIENDS on his honeymoon with him and was snapped at a bar. If he cared so much, Kate wouldn't look so dead in the eyes and wouldn't look so dead in the mind as well.


Title: Re: Kate & Meghan Relationship Thread
Post by: Alexandrine on November 16, 2018, 09:35:02 pm
It is not about Kate in a way. And Kate does what Will says. If Charles gives more moeny to Harry than Will, doesnt matter the reason, he wouldnt like it.

And I dont see Kate suffering. She looks liek the cat who got the cream.


Title: Re: Kate & Meghan Relationship Thread
Post by: HRHOlya on November 17, 2018, 12:29:04 pm
^ I agree.

^^ What friends on the honeymoon?

Yeah Bill skipping Easter for Jecca was really beyond odd. Would my other half do that (regardless because of whom, but especially if some sort of ex), I'd totally flip out. That's is beyond unacceptable and inexcusable. Esp when already married, the marriage is young and kids are involved. But even without these factors it is a "heck no".


Title: Re: Kate & Meghan Relationship Thread
Post by: HRHOlya on November 17, 2018, 06:31:13 pm
On clothes & why Meg seems to have "better" clothes (i.e. more stuff and more expensive, than even K in the 1st year): 1. we know that the Winds do take freebies even though it is by their own rules forbidden. 2. Many here suspect M is merching on top of that. 3. Plus the money Chuck gives his kids & their wives; and I think all those 3 things are why Murky has a more expensive and all new wardrobe. On top of that part of K's image was always being "thrifty" and "high street with high end". Murky has a shtick with "sustainability", which in the fashion business is a load of bs. Oh and "ethical clothing". Whatever that is.

I think that W&K's budget has been increased recently and so was H's, because the Cambs get more but even more so because he now has a wife. Harry is dumb and in love anyway, maybe he's even paying privately for some of Meg's stuff. Bill is rumoured to have paid at least partly for the Midd's manor.

It is not because Murky is supposedly working more or Chuck cut K's budget. I doubt he cut her budget. I used to think he did because her clothes were to me at least in the 1st year the most impressive, esp in terms of how beautiful and since it's been a bit of a downward spiral, but the simple truth seems to be that K has just at times appaling taste.

Megsy might also be tested: they loosen the strings and see how much she wants to take take take and then later go from there. Wouldn't be too unusual in such families.


Title: Re: Kate & Meghan Relationship Thread
Post by: Kuei Fei on November 25, 2018, 05:06:26 am
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Does a froideur between Kate and Meghan explain why the Sussexes are moving to Windsor? Unease between wives 'is pulling Harry and William apart'
* Harry and Meghan are to move from Kensington Palace to Frogmore Cottage
* The news could fuel speculation of a rift developing between William and Harry
* But a friend of the Cambridges suggested any unease was between their wives
*Source said Meghan and Kate are 'very different people' and 'don’t really get on’
‘Kate and Meghan are very different people,’ the source said, adding: ‘They don’t really get on.’
Harry and mother-to-be Meghan have been given Frogmore Cottage by the Queen, and it will become their official residence.
Grade II listed Frogmore is said to be undergoing a multi-million pound refit, paid for by the taxpayer, in preparation for the birth, which is expected next spring.
Palace sources said there was ‘nothing available as an official residence in London’. One said: ‘They are expecting a baby early next year and obviously need a bit more space. It is not like this has just come up.’  tehe Yes it did, when she announced when she touched down in Oz to maximize pr for herself.
Kensington Palace declined to comment last night.
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-6425145/Does-feud-Kate-Meghan-explain-Sussexes-moving-Windsor.html

I think there shouldn't be pressure for either woman to be buddies. I'm sure that neither woman have anything in common and even Diana and Fergie's friendship never lasted after Fergie married in and was titled herself.


Title: Re: Kate & Meghan Relationship Thread
Post by: sandy on November 25, 2018, 10:41:35 am
Kate would give death stares to other women who got near William. She enjoyed going on royal appearances with the brothers and would joke with Harry. She also is lazy and perhaps annoyed that Meghan might work and not sail on excuses the way she has been doing.


Title: Re: Kate & Meghan Relationship Thread
Post by: dianab on November 25, 2018, 11:45:16 am
Look what her former childhood best friend from LA and former friends in Toronto said about Meghan. ^ And you keep saying that Meghan will work etc, until now her main work was this tour and before that attending to Polo and a few glamour events... since Harry got married he has attended many events alone... she probably upset Kate and William is right to be standing by his wife... this woman is trouble, her ex-hubby and ex-boyfriend, former friends knows that...


Title: Re: Kate & Meghan Relationship Thread
Post by: HRHOlya on November 25, 2018, 12:03:59 pm
Yes, Kate famously doesn't take well to other women and I think we've long been saying she won't like it when she isn't the "only" woman anymore and can't flirt with Harry anymore once he marries.
But Meghan is just as troublesome, as we've learnt since she entered the scene.
And indeed the common denominator in all the stories is trouble with Murky. Will and/ or Kate do[es]n't get along with Murky, so office separation and now even living quarters separation (which is surprising, considering that many residents of KP have noted that if you don't want to, you can avoid each other for weeks on end), trouble with even Liz(!!!), which tells you really everything.

I don't remember any such story of a fight between Liz and W&K.

imo these past months and the whispers speak volumes.

Whenever a new member arrives within a family (by either marriage or birth) a restructuring happens, either positively or negatively or both (family politics, such fun!).

So some things are normal, but the rifts seem big with M and I don't remember rifts with K on nearly such a scale.

This belongs in the other thread but goes with this one as well: I really think their move to Frogmore cottage (which is no cottage like all the other faux "cottages" and is fugly and plain) is nothing short of a banishment.

And with Frogmore C they don't need a London base, they still have the country thing next to Soho Farm, so another London thing would give them 3 places(!!!) and Frog C is right next to London, it would be beyond wasteful and idiotic to give them additional space in London.


Title: Re: Kate & Meghan Relationship Thread
Post by: Alexandrine on November 25, 2018, 12:10:20 pm
I think Kate liked being the only woman in the fab three. But also she may have liked not getting all the attention especially the bad publicity.

I still dont think she is super worried about Meghan. More like she and Carole drinking champagne and laughing all the way to Buck Palace.

Also I love how she is trolling meghan with all the repeats.


Title: Re: Kate & Meghan Relationship Thread
Post by: HRHOlya on November 25, 2018, 12:32:41 pm
^ I agree.
Also: :tehe: lol


Title: Re: Kate & Meghan Relationship Thread
Post by: Alexandrine on November 25, 2018, 12:48:39 pm
It would be different if Kate was in Meghans position. But she is not.

She has been around for nearlt 15 years she may or may not get along but she knows how thing work. Meghan not only has knwon Harry for what? 3 years she is not even british or comes from a similar country.


Title: Re: Kate & Meghan Relationship Thread
Post by: sandy on November 25, 2018, 01:36:53 pm
She knows how things work but has not mastered how to work, IMO. That is her achilles heel.

I am just glad Kate and Will and Harry's appearances together are over. Kate flirted with Harry. It was annoying.

Meghan may not be saintly but then again neither is Kate. It's not as if william married a Princess or aristo he settled for a  commoner who waited years to get the ring from him.


Title: Re: Kate & Meghan Relationship Thread
Post by: Kuei Fei on November 25, 2018, 02:09:15 pm
If Kate knew how things worked, she would not have messed up or DARED get caught out naked. Kate will never grasp it mainly since she was not born and raised up in it. I also think she would in fact never have even tried for the hand of William if she had known what she was getting into.


Title: Re: Kate & Meghan Relationship Thread
Post by: sandy on November 25, 2018, 02:13:22 pm
Kate also got caught in embarrassing photo ops because she did not wear garment weights on her skirts. She even smirked at Eugenie's wedding because her skirts blew up again. I am so glad the "threesome" don't make appearances together anymore. I


Title: Re: Kate & Meghan Relationship Thread
Post by: dianab on November 25, 2018, 02:28:47 pm
If Kate knew how things worked, she would not have messed up or DARED get caught out naked. Kate will never grasp it mainly since she was not born and raised up in it. I also think she would in fact never have even tried for the hand of William if she had known what she was getting into.
well charles himself got caught NAKED FRONTAL in France, in 1990s... fergie too and diana in spain but the hola mag owner was too fond of hers to publish the photos... in many ways kate was being one typical Windsor with her behavior in France... but Harry in Vegas was totally gross and crass and EXTREMELY STUPID, his naked pictures are totally over the top... As for Meghan I think she's a user... and her ambitions will end up very bad....i think when she got married she's epecting a BIG APARTMENT AT KP... she must be pissed off like any egocentric person will be


Title: Re: Kate & Meghan Relationship Thread
Post by: Kuei Fei on November 25, 2018, 02:53:53 pm
Charles was born into the BRF and Fergie was committing adultery; Kate was hyped as better since she had a degree (of no practical use in any way) and was also in France when she was supposed to be in England prepping for the upcoming Jubilee tour. Second, she and William shirked an important engagement to go jet setting.


Title: Re: Kate & Meghan Relationship Thread
Post by: dianab on November 25, 2018, 03:00:12 pm
Agree with that... kate is stupid but she was following a  royal tradition as far as windsors are concerned during summer in France... i thought before meghan was as smart as camilla and carole but no she's that typical egocentric and self absorbed leo who think that knows best and is better than anyone... goodness she got the nerves of Liz even before the wedding... kate wore a few personal jewelry of Liz (Philip gifts from early years in their marriage)... i dont think meghan will got that...


Title: Re: Kate & Meghan Relationship Thread
Post by: sandy on November 25, 2018, 04:47:59 pm
Charles was born into the BRF and Fergie was committing adultery; Kate was hyped as better since she had a degree (of no practical use in any way) and was also in France when she was supposed to be in England prepping for the upcoming Jubilee tour. Second, she and William shirked an important engagement to go jet setting.

I don't think Kate is anything to write home about. She got the art history major which is not astrophysics and did not use the degree. She's a throwback to the fifties where women went to University for the degree in MRS.


Title: Re: Kate & Meghan Relationship Thread
Post by: Kuei Fei on November 25, 2018, 05:09:48 pm
You know, thing is, that Kate misses the mark in how she was choosing to become a fifties throwback; ladies who went to uni to get a degree were from GENUINE upper class families who could afford to send their daughters to school for a while and basically they were expected to be virginal at their weddings. Kate tried to ape a virginal aristocrat or upper class young lady, but most of them didn't moon the entire campus and second, it wasn't for families where both parents had to work. Second, I think Meg is a reminder to Kate that Kate herself isn't as posh as she fancies. I also believe that Meg sees through Kate's affectations and I do believe Meg resents how Kate is getting this infusion of good press while she Meg, isn't.

In their own low class way, both envy the other's other advantages.


Title: Re: Kate & Meghan Relationship Thread
Post by: sandy on November 25, 2018, 05:44:07 pm
William also settled for Kate. He did not respect her and on one ski trip told all and sundry he had sex waiting for him (meaning Kate) when he said goodnight to his friends. The upper class ladies of the fifties would not be treated like that.


Title: Re: Kate & Meghan Relationship Thread
Post by: india on November 25, 2018, 05:49:57 pm
If that’s the case, The Stupid Jerk Clench Jaw, is no gentleman.


Title: Re: Kate & Meghan Relationship Thread
Post by: windsor2 on November 25, 2018, 06:02:31 pm
True, Wills has no respect for Waity and really shouldn't married her no matter what the circumstances. He could;ve dopped her again and let the press know that they don't know what goes on in their relationship and that like everyone else, they don't always work out. She was essentially his drinking and f buddy who he foolishly kept around whilst he looked for someone better who unfortunaltely never came. No decent woman would get involved with a man who she knew was in a relationship with another woman. He showed his stupidity and weakness when he took her back in 2007 instead of keeing her dumped. Now he has to spend lots of money on pr to make her seem passible to the public who rightly call her Waity. Now she's just something that he uses to sell happy family and can do as he pleases as he sill has no respect for her and knows that she wont make a fuss and will go along with the pr games as she's now living in luxury in exchange for little actual work. Waity's a woman without self respect.
Waity and Meghan are the same type of women; social climbers who'll do anything to meet and keep a rich man. Both are cold hearted as Waity would indeed give death stares to aristocratic women that would approach Wills and made erself at Wills beck and call and Meghan slept herway into Harry's circle via connections through Soho House. So Waity shouldn't look down her nose at Meghan. Then again, game recognizes game, so Waity wouldn't like her because she represents simile things she did on her way up. What's funny now is that they're both in the same situation where they're seen as gold diggers and if they're really pregnant or have ever been pregnant.  :cookie:


Title: Re: Kate & Meghan Relationship Thread
Post by: HRHOlya on November 25, 2018, 07:23:19 pm
The track record of the upper class is as bad as that of the ridiculed lower classes. Domestic violence, promiscuity, swinging, drugs, child neglect, etc etc were all a fairly normal part of the upper class life since forever.


Title: Re: Kate & Meghan Relationship Thread
Post by: Alexandrine on November 25, 2018, 07:40:21 pm
Well the only difference between lower class and thr upper is the money no? It gives the patina of glamour.


Title: Re: Kate & Meghan Relationship Thread
Post by: Kuei Fei on November 25, 2018, 07:47:08 pm
The upper class has wealth and power, power being the main difference.

The track record of the upper class is as bad as that of the ridiculed lower classes. Domestic violence, promiscuity, swinging, drugs, child neglect, etc etc were all a fairly normal part of the upper class life since forever.

They do, but they abide by a double standard (found among the middle classes as well as the upper classes) that they do not publicly do dirt to one of their own. There is also (however perversely) a code of conduct/chivalry that they show one another. I myself got double standard treatment from a guy from the upper middle class and it was painful. WHY Kate held on to that misery for so long I do not know.


Title: Re: Kate & Meghan Relationship Thread
Post by: HRHOlya on November 25, 2018, 08:51:49 pm
^^ Exactly. Gives them also a patina of class & nobility.


Title: Re: Kate & Meghan Relationship Thread
Post by: HRH Tiana of NOLA on November 26, 2018, 03:41:48 am
Charles was born into the BRF and Fergie was committing adultery; Kate was hyped as better since she had a degree (of no practical use in any way) and was also in France when she was supposed to be in England prepping for the upcoming Jubilee tour. Second, she and William shirked an important engagement to go jet setting.

I don't think Kate is anything to write home about. She got the art history major which is not astrophysics and did not use the degree. She's a throwback to the fifties where women went to University for the degree in MRS.

I would have to agree with you on this one.


Title: Re: Kate & Meghan Relationship Thread
Post by: Miss Hathaway on November 26, 2018, 03:54:01 pm
Megs has no friends.   So . . . why would anyone think she would have a friendship with anyone?


Title: Re: Kate & Meghan Relationship Thread
Post by: sandy on November 26, 2018, 04:06:03 pm
Well neither does Kate. Kate is on record as giving death stares to other women.


Title: Re: Kate & Meghan Relationship Thread
Post by: YooperModerator on November 26, 2018, 04:26:40 pm
Kate doesn't give two hoots about Sparkles.  She has, love em or *despise* em, a supportive, close family she can turn to who have her back and, if she doesn't muck it up, a future that won't have to include MM at all.  I don't see any common areas for the two of them.  Sparkles would see some advantage to being unctuous to Kate but I believe there will be resentment on her part as time goes by.  Neither situation is a breeding ground for some big friendship.  Nah.


Title: Re: Kate & Meghan Relationship Thread
Post by: sandy on November 26, 2018, 04:29:48 pm
She and Meghan are part of the family and will of course see each other. They will deal with each other. Meghan won't be kept in a box on top of Mt. Everest or anything like that. I don't see why all this curtsying ceremony would even need to take place between them. It is not obligated in theory if Kate is not with William. The DM makes these dire statements which may not have anything remotely to do with reality. While I don't think they will be close I think they are polite and courteous to one another.


Title: Re: Kate & Meghan Relationship Thread
Post by: Kuei Fei on November 26, 2018, 05:07:39 pm
Both will be courteous, but frenemies is the word that should probably be used. I am certain that neither will trust the other and neither will be content; Kate will envy the fact that Meg is married to Harry and Meg will envy the fact that Kate has higher status and unless there is a divorce, always will. I think they'll follow protocol and according to royal custom, Meg will have to show deference to Kate, which I am sure Kate will revel in each time.


Title: Re: Kate & Meghan Relationship Thread
Post by: Miss Hathaway on November 26, 2018, 05:34:45 pm
^^^^ Kate is not a warm, fuzzy person; however, she is close with her sister/family, and she is shown talking and laughing with various members of the royal family.   Megs, on the other hand, dumps her family and friends and she stands alone when with other royals.  She was booted from Charles' garden party back in May after she had been there for 20 minutes.    :laugh:

Furthermore, there are no stories coming from Kate's camp about wanting to have a relationship with Megs.  Megs' camp has whined and whinged about Kate not wanting to take Megs shopping, etc. 

Kate may never have been friends with anyone Harry married; however, Megs has no friends or family and the royal family is giving her the cold shoulder.  That is a big red flag regarding Megs' character.


Title: Re: Kate & Meghan Relationship Thread
Post by: sandy on November 26, 2018, 05:40:03 pm
Charles would not have tossed out Meghan because he wants to be the old duffer the patriarch of the happy families spin.

I have not heard Meghan issuing statements about not going shopping with Kate. I would stay away from kate she's quite pretentious for a commoner.

I don't see the royals giving her the cold shoulder. Grampa Charles is waxing over his new daughter in law and the new grandchild.

Meghan is close to her mother, and she has friends.

Kate has no women friends.


Title: Re: Kate & Meghan Relationship Thread
Post by: Kuei Fei on November 26, 2018, 06:19:10 pm
Kate is jovial with the BRF mainly because in her snobbish view, their status makes them 'worthy' of her good opinion and 'good enough' to talk and spend time with. I also think she is chatted with since if she were to be publicly snubbed, it would look bad. They interact with her publicly, but I think she's only tolerated in public, but treated with diffidence in private. I do not view her as accepted by them as a full member of society or a full member of that family (no matter her legal standing). As for friends, Kate has none mainly since she is too pretentious to befriend anyone from her actual background and the titled set dislike her for her being a user who will use them given half the chance.


Title: Re: Kate & Meghan Relationship Thread
Post by: Miss Hathaway on November 26, 2018, 06:58:01 pm
^^ And, yet, Sandy, the links to the video of Charles doing just that -- asking Harry to leave after twenty minutes -- have been posted multiple times in this forum.  He asked them to leave.  It's on video.

Yes, I think the shopping with Kate was discussed last year.

Look at Megs on a non-royal balcony on Remembrance Sunday.  Let's see what happens on the Christmas walk.  No royal wants to be near Megs.

Megs finds her mother useful and she has no friends.  Who are they?  Where are they?

^ The point is that the BRF accepts Kate as one of them now.  None of the royals really socialize with each other.  However, if they did not accept Kate, then Kate would be ignored at gatherings [she is not] and she would not have been on a balcony with the queen on Remembrance Sunday.  She could have been one over with Meggles.   LOL.


Title: Re: Kate & Meghan Relationship Thread
Post by: sandy on November 26, 2018, 07:08:57 pm
There was no audio. Charles was never accused of doing this. He keeps praising her, unless he has a multiple personality complex why would he be two faced?

If they didn't want to be "near her" then why was she accepted by the royals.

I don't see Meghan being "ignored." 

She stood with a Head of State, the way it's described she was sent to a housing project miles away and stood at a window with a tears falling.

She was there with them. It was no "sign" of anything being "wrong."

Kate has no friends. She ditched them when she got with William.


Title: Re: Kate & Meghan Relationship Thread
Post by: dianab on November 26, 2018, 07:43:11 pm
Funny you wonder why Charles will be two-faced... Meghan also has no friends... i think kate is at least very friendly with charlotte's godmother who got married recently


Title: Re: Kate & Meghan Relationship Thread
Post by: Kuei Fei on November 26, 2018, 09:48:40 pm
There was no audio. Charles was never accused of doing this. He keeps praising her, unless he has a multiple personality complex why would he be two faced?
If they didn't want to be "near her" then why was she accepted by the royals.

Charles was managing to gaslight his wife, lie to the public for decades, and then after his ex-wife's death (suspected as murder by many) start marketing his mistress and smearing everyone around him to build up his lover and prep the public for a marriage. Then he has done things like hang out with pedophiles and frankly I am disgusted that anyone could EVER doubt Charles' ability to be a tow faced lying hypocrite.

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I don't ee Meghan being "ignored." 
She stood with a Head of State, the way it's described she was sent to a housing project miles away and stood at a window with a tears falling.
She was there with them. It was no "sign" of anything being "wrong."
Kate has no friends. She ditched them when she got with William.

I think Meg isn't accepted in private socially and of course they are going to put up a front of being nice ot her in public. The BRF is big on solidarity. As for Kate having no friends, she dropped all of them and started hankering after aristocratic friends who didn't want her or her using family in their lives. Even though William is as dumb as a box of bricks, it doesn't mean that the aristos are at the same level of stupidity.


Title: Re: Kate & Meghan Relationship Thread
Post by: HRHOlya on November 26, 2018, 09:58:03 pm
Kate adopted Will's friends. In how far they are all truly friends and in how far they all stick it out together for other purposes and because they're of the same class is anyone's guess.

Murky has no one. She's in a new country and knows no one and has no one. Except now apparently her mother.

Chuckles also praised etc Waity when she married in at first, the "daughter he never had" and alleged trips together to the opera and similar.

Chuckles's feelings about Murky won't be made public until at least a year or so in, or the arrival of the new child, or many years down the line.

Of course the current line is that Chuckles (& Camz) is happy bla bla bla. One of their shticks is to display unity no matter what. Blood fights might be happening daily behind closed doors, but on the public forum they play happy families. This is hardly a secret.

I don't believe the "reports" that Chuckles is oh so happy about Murky etc, simply because of course they'll say that. I'll believe it once time has passed and the narrative doesn't change.

Murky ditches her friends pretty regularly just like Waity. Not sure why stories about Murky are not believed but anything (negative) published about a Midd ever is seen as truth.

They are all as bad as each other and lie lie lie.

I doubt very very much that Murky is accepted, esp now with all the dirt coming out that's allegedly happening behind closed walls. The damage control ("Hazbeen & Murky moving out so their kid doesn't grow up in a fish bowl") is laughable. Right up there with all the other contrived PR bs the Winds churn out.

Waity wasn't accepted and as we know a married-in is never 100% accepted, but I think they made peace so to say with Waity and take her as is, and I think (and it seems obvious in many ways) that Waity has received a new lick of good looking paint since Murky's arrival. All round: people, PR, palace, media etc etc.
The seemingly impossible has happened.

Something along the line of the halo-effect. Murky's dirt has spruced up Waity and given her a new shine (for now).


Title: Re: Kate & Meghan Relationship Thread
Post by: Alexandrine on November 26, 2018, 10:02:17 pm
 :goodpost:


Title: Re: Kate & Meghan Relationship Thread
Post by: Miss Hathaway on November 26, 2018, 11:10:27 pm
Look at how faaaaar away Harry and Meggles are at the Festival!   So, very faaaar away from the Queen.    lol     That's how the Queen, Charles and William tell you they don't like you.

https://us.hellomagazine.com/imagenes/royalty/2018111064402/prince-harry-meghan-markle-festival-of-remembrance-all-photos/0-303-528/royals-together-a.jpg



Title: Re: Kate & Meghan Relationship Thread
Post by: YooperModerator on November 26, 2018, 11:21:43 pm
^Didn’t the Duke of Windsor say something in regards to the BRF like, “You are never sure if you’re ‘in’ but you always know when you’re ‘out’?


Title: Re: Kate & Meghan Relationship Thread
Post by: Rosella on November 26, 2018, 11:30:19 pm
Harry and Meghan were seated, according to precedence, in the second row at the Festival of Remembrance. When Harry is a King's son in a few years they'll be in the front row. I think there was an explanation of the seating at the Festival given here at the time, nothing to do with likes and dislikes though.


Title: Re: Kate & Meghan Relationship Thread
Post by: Kuei Fei on November 26, 2018, 11:42:29 pm
Something along the line of the halo-effect. Murky's dirt has spruced up Waity and given her a new shine (for now).

Frankly, like Diana, only in the reverse; during the Diana Era, Diana only got good press, but it was only temporarily lowered once Fergie came onto the scene. However, Fergie ended up making a huge mess of herself and ended up reestablishing Diana back on the top of the heap. I think that unlike Diana, paradoxically, Kate will enjoy a brief half year of good press, good image, but if she continues to slack off except when going to Mustique, she'll lose that good press. I've always noticed (and been right) that Kate's goodwill from the public is actually very brittle and very temporary. Remember, once Kate was married, she got good press and good comments, but she lost it after it took her more than a year of being married to even get some kind of regular schedule going and she humiliated herself and her country by flashing. Then there was the way she destroyed the Diamond Jubilee and that incurred the wrath of the public, first for stealing the spotlight and then the nude scandal. Kate has had fleeting moments of good PR, but she loses it each time she slacks off in appearances or flashes or messes up.

As for Meg, Meg is more astute and much more aware that the more she works, the more she gets and the more secure she will be. In the event of a divorce, she will get more since she does more and Kate is regrettably unaware of that even after all these years. Meg might not be liked and might even be loathed, but she understands that each appearance she does, she gets more and more clothes and jewelry and perks.


Title: Re: Kate & Meghan Relationship Thread
Post by: sandy on November 26, 2018, 11:58:10 pm
Speaking of Diana, she was an aristo from the Spencer family and related to Churchill and she had royal blood. She was treated as a broodmare and insignificant by the mistress and Charles.  She was thought to be "secure" for life especially after having the heir and spare and she worked. The two commoners that William and Harry married are a downgrade and If Diana was turned away, I think Kate and Meghan are more vulnerable. Diana had loyal friends throughout (not those who wrote tell alls) but Kate just goes to William's friends (and they already did turn on her during the breakup and Meghan is more or less in the same position. Paradoxically, the way the aristo was treated and discarded, led William and Harry to only be able to attract commoners. I remember all the grumblings on boards when it took Kate ages to "decide" on a patronage and all the excuses made for her. It's really pathetic. Charles is stuck with his scaled down monarchy and if he wants it to work he needs to more or less get them all working with no excuses.


Title: Re: Kate & Meghan Relationship Thread
Post by: Kuei Fei on November 27, 2018, 12:16:46 am
I think Meg and Kate are unaware that neither have powerful family or friends or connections and neither are so established in charity that they wouldn't be able to shut out of. Kate in particular seems brainlessly unaware that Charles (despite his dolt image) is not someone who will be merciful once he has the ability to actually rule his family. Given what he's shown of how he treated his former consort and others (who have gotten into 'accidents') I am sure he is fantasizing about how to get rid of her and he will not be generous. Meg in particular might incur his especial wrath at some point and I am sure that he will not be a passive monarch, but Kate will get the bulk of his anger since she trashed the Diamond Jubliee and has flouted herself and HM at almost every turn. Only leverage will protect both and neither has any. I believe Kate is unwilling to face the fact that HM might forbid a divorce, but I am dead sure Charles will not. I think Kate and Meg have more in common than they realize, that being neither have any protection once their husbands tire of them and certainly, no protection once King Charles is crowned. Charles will tolerate neither of them and I am certain both will be sent packing (but only after Harry and William make groveling apologies).

Given that they are both shameless opportunists, I am surprised neither is close to one another.


Title: Re: Kate & Meghan Relationship Thread
Post by: Val on November 27, 2018, 07:13:18 am
^

It takes one to know one and consequently both are wary of each other. 

The big difference are their mother’s ie the ghastly social climbing ma midd and the expunged criminal Doria.  For all her past Doria behaves in a far more dignified way and has become liked by the British public whilst ma mid is detested for her conniving and social climbing ways.  The Midds ‘look at us’ behaviour at the Jubilee, guffawing and pushing themselves forward along with Kate in her stand out red suit.  Kate is alleged to be very jealous of Meg and her naturalness with people.  Meg also has excellent speech making skills whereas Kate is hopeless which again causes resentment.  Meg of course got Harry another bone of contention.  Too many things to prevent them from being good friends as they are more like rivals.


Title: Re: Kate & Meghan Relationship Thread
Post by: Stargazer on November 27, 2018, 11:59:23 am
Kate ‘in TEARS’ over Charlotte’s bridesmaid dress for Meghan's wedding

https://dailym.ai/2DMQBr2

This could be just the DM exaggerating the rift and the tears having nothing to do with Meghan, but I wonder if Megs was sharp with Kate or worse Charlotte. There seems to be no explanation as to what made Kate cry. Who is leaking? Eugenie upset too. It doesn’t bode well for the future.
 ???


Title: Re: Kate & Meghan Relationship Thread
Post by: MOSAIC on November 27, 2018, 12:05:25 pm

Kate was only on the balcony with HM an Cammy because Prince Philip was not there.  Had he been she would have been on the balcony
with Meaghan and the wife of the President of Germany.  That was stated at the time.


Title: Re: Kate & Meghan Relationship Thread
Post by: Alexandrine on November 27, 2018, 12:43:43 pm
The dailymail story is from Camilla Tominey who usually had very good sources. They are really going after Meghan. And she must be very stupid to make such a mess having married only for 6 months.


Title: Re: Kate & Meghan Relationship Thread
Post by: sandy on November 27, 2018, 02:11:38 pm
The DM goes in for click bait. IMO. If they wanted to "punish" Meghan she would not have been seen on any balcony.


Title: Re: Kate & Meghan Relationship Thread
Post by: Alexandrine on November 27, 2018, 02:19:36 pm
It is from the telegraph they dont go for clickbait stories.


Title: Re: Kate & Meghan Relationship Thread
Post by: HRHOlya on November 27, 2018, 02:48:03 pm
Richard Palmer:

The story behind Harry and Meghan’s move to Frogmore Cottage? Harry and Meghan spreading their wings. No big fallout but Kate and Meghan not close. No royal properties available in London apparently.
https://twitter.com/RoyalReporter/status/1066936896025227264

The Gloucesters have agreed to move out of 20-bedroom Apartment 1 now their children have grown up. They will move to the Old Stables next year. But royal sources say it’s a big renovation project and won’t be ready in time for the Sussexes.
https://twitter.com/RoyalReporter/status/1066937657312374785

The crazies on Twitter won’t like it but it is clear that Meghan is regarded as difficult and demanding by some in the family and on the staff.
https://twitter.com/RoyalReporter/status/1066938459200413696

There will be room at Frogmore Cottage for Meghan’s mother to stay but I’m told she won’t be moving to Britain. Palace officials won’t say how many bedrooms it’s got but sources say a fraction of the 10 reported.
https://twitter.com/RoyalReporter/status/1066939489845682177

Palace officials refuse to say how much this will cost the taxpayer, arguing it will be set out “in the usual way” in the Sovereign Grant report next year. But when William and Kate announced plans to move to KP the figure of £4m was given in guidance. It rose to £4.5m.
https://twitter.com/RoyalReporter/status/1066940550287425537

So why the secrecy and unaccountability over the cost of doing up Frogmore Cottage? William gave an undertaking that he’d stay at KP even when Charles is King. The palace says Frogmore Cottage will be Harry and Meghan’s official residence for “the foreseeable future”.
https://twitter.com/RoyalReporter/status/1066941678005686272

20-room that should say.
https://twitter.com/RoyalReporter/status/1066946842242498560



Title: Re: Kate & Meghan Relationship Thread
Post by: Miss Hathaway on November 27, 2018, 03:08:23 pm
Harry and Meghan were seated, according to precedence, in the second row at the Festival of Remembrance. When Harry is a King's son in a few years they'll be in the front row. I think there was an explanation of the seating at the Festival given here at the time, nothing to do with likes and dislikes though.

Oh, yes, the fact that Megs and Harry were placed to the very far right, out of the view of the camera, is quite significant.  The Queen is subtle.  She doesn't go in for the obvious.  But the snub was felt by both Harry and Megs and according to insiders, Megs was quite vocal about the slap in the face to her that she was so far out of it at the Festival and on the balcony.   That's why she looked like she was about to cry on the balcony. 


Title: Re: Kate & Meghan Relationship Thread
Post by: sandy on November 27, 2018, 03:19:18 pm
The Queen allowed the marriage. Why would she behave like the Wicked Witch of the west doing mean things to her new granddaughter in law? If this is true, the Queen seems like she has a split personality or is a phony nice to someone's face while knifing them in the back.

I don't see Meghan standing on the Balcony with a Head of State as "punishment."

When was Meghan "vocal" I never heard her say a word publicly about this.

Charles put her front and center in his PR for his birthday. I don't see any "punishing" of Meghan he talked about toasting the new baby to be.

Why is standing next to a Head of State a snub?


Title: Re: Kate & Meghan Relationship Thread
Post by: Miss Hathaway on November 27, 2018, 03:24:19 pm
Yes, the Queen looks delighted at Meggles joining the family!!     :bouncy:

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DdlIkeBW4AADRQ6.jpg


Title: Re: Kate & Meghan Relationship Thread
Post by: sandy on November 27, 2018, 03:27:20 pm
So again the burning question, why did she make nice with Meghan on that joint appearance? And why did she condone a wedding? She let the married mistress in and Meghan looks positively saintly in comparison. The Queen would be a phony if she "snubbed" Meghan yet was nice to her face.


Title: Re: Kate & Meghan Relationship Thread
Post by: MOSAIC on November 27, 2018, 03:35:10 pm

Exactly Sandy.  I would have thought placing Meaghan next to the wife of a head of state was a compliment, and also a snub to Kate.


Title: Re: Kate & Meghan Relationship Thread
Post by: Alexandrine on November 27, 2018, 03:38:56 pm
This has nothing to do with the topic...


Title: Re: Kate & Meghan Relationship Thread
Post by: Kuei Fei on November 27, 2018, 03:40:53 pm
So again the burning question, why did she make nice with Meghan on that joint appearance? And why did she condone a wedding? She let the married mistress in and Meghan looks positively saintly in comparison. The Queen would be a phony if she "snubbed" Meghan yet was nice to her face.

I think HM's passive approach towards life and her family has resulted in Meg marrying in; I think HM thought Meg would just go away, but Meg didn't and HM didn't take any decisive steps to put a stop to the courtship and protect Harry from his idiot self.


Title: Re: Kate & Meghan Relationship Thread
Post by: sandy on November 27, 2018, 03:51:56 pm
The Queen always had this hands off attitude but oddly actively wanted to keep Margaret from marrying Townsend.


Title: Re: Kate & Meghan Relationship Thread
Post by: Stargazer on November 27, 2018, 04:18:33 pm
Maybe that’s why she allowed Harry to marry Meghan, she may feel upon reflection that she should have let Margaret and Charles to marry the people they loved initially.

I wonder if Megs is rude to Kate privately, big noting herself.
This came up from Vanity Fair

Style
Kate Middleton Was Reportedly “Left in Tears” Before Meghan and Harry’s Wedding
In the wake of the news that Meghan and Harry are moving to Windsor, all kinds of gossipy reports have emerged.
Since Meghan Markle entered the royal family, there has always been, simmering in the background, intrigue in the press (particularly the British press) surrounding the dynamic between Meghan and her new sister-in-law, Kate Middleton. The two have seemed at the very least cordial (and, at best, happy to see each other!) when they’ve appeared together in public. However, they haven’t really been seen interacting all that much—their only joint outing (without their husbands along, as well) was at Wimbledon earlier this year. Kate was, of course, on maternity leave for much of this year, and, since her return, the two women have attended a few of the same events (such as Princess Eugenie’s wedding or Prince Charles’s birthday party), but we hadn’t heard all that much about their relationship (or seen much of them interacting).
Well, that is changing in light of the recent (somewhat surprising!) news that Meghan and Prince Harry, instead of moving in to Kensington Palace, next door to Prince William and Kate, will be moving roughly 25 miles away, to Frogmore Cottage, in Windsor. While there are no doubt a whole range of factors behind Meghan and Harry’s choice (the pair will be welcoming their first child this spring), several outlets have wondered whether there is any potential . . . tension between the two women that could have led to the move. (Sources tell Vanity Fair’s Katie Nicholl, meanwhile, that it’s tension between William and Harry causing trouble—but feuds between brothers apparently aren’t as much fun for tabloid reports.) The Daily Mail went right for it over the weekend, running a quote from a source claiming, “Kate and Meghan are very different people. They don’t really get on,” referring to “unease” between the Duchesses of Cambridge and Sussex.
And it would appear that this has now opened the floodgates for gossip stories about Kate and Meghan; buckle up, adjust your fascinators, etc. The Daily Mail is running a story today that is . . . loosely related to the Meghan-Kate tension angle. The paper claims that Kate was “left in tears” after Princess Charlotte’s bridesmaid dress fitting, for Meghan and Harry’s wedding, as she was reportedly “feeling quite emotional” at the time. Now, no reason is given for why Kate was crying (the Daily Mail notes she had just given birth to Prince Louis at this point), and there is no reason to believe it had anything to do with Meghan or anything between the two women. But, of course, that is not going to change how this story is currently playing in the tabloids, coming as it is several days after news of the Frogmore Cottage move. (It’s almost as if we’re supposed to imagine Meghan barging into the fitting room and assessing, “That’s what Charlotte’s wearing?!” before sashaying out.)
There is more! The Daily Mail also claims that Princess Eugenie and her new husband, Jack Brooksbank, were “upset” that Harry and Meghan did not attend the evening reception portion of their wedding. (The pair were due to travel to Australia that weekend.) Again, this doesn’t have anything to do with Meghan and Kate, but, packaged into the same report, it is meant, seemingly, to add to the sense that all is not well.
These sorts of waves in royal narratives of course ebb and flow, and it will be interesting to see what we’re in for next. Will the Palace schedule an engagement for Kate and Meghan soon to try to indicate all is well? Will we continue to perceive a distance, the two staying somewhat separate when the couples appear together? Will the Queen get involved somehow to try and keep the peace? We are going to hope for a Queen-Meghan-Kate outing over the Christmas holidays, which will send the press into a state of frenzied shock, and at least momentarily shift the story line.



Intriguing isn’t it?


Title: Re: Kate & Meghan Relationship Thread
Post by: sandy on November 27, 2018, 04:36:34 pm
My impression is that both Kate and Meghan are a pair of divas. Kate got to bring her family on their own barge for the Queen's Jubilee, got the tennis court built when there was on there already; Meghan likes designer clothing. Meghan does work unlike Kate who seems to be avoiding it.

The DM already reported that Harry and Meghan were leaving for Australia and had to leave so they could not go to the reception. I doubt Eugenie threw a fit over it in any case.

Harry opened the door to Fergie being with royals again and invited her to his wedding, unlike william who snubbed her and did not invite her to his wedding. Eugenie should be happy over that.

Charles had the "happy families" photo a short time ago. He probably will have "happy families" photo after Meghan and Harry's baby is born.

I am glad though that Harry is no longer the third wheel in appearances with Will and Kate and no more "flirting" with Harry by Kate.


Title: Re: Kate & Meghan Relationship Thread
Post by: Alexandrine on November 27, 2018, 06:29:06 pm
Lainey's take is the most relevant ones imo. Not only because of her sources. She goes under this drama and gives a plaussible theory on why this is happening now.

Because I think Meghan is not fitting in. But this has never been about Meghan or even Kate.


Title: Re: Kate & Meghan Relationship Thread
Post by: Kuei Fei on November 27, 2018, 06:52:42 pm
I think the real issue is that Kate came into the BRF planning on becoming the darling of the BRF and hasn't, which has embittered her. She so clearly WANTS Harry to adore her, WANTS HM and Charles to adore her, and clearly WANTS the courtiers to adore her, but she keeps suffering since it never happened and it never will happen. No one in the BRF is going to care about her and I think the fact that Harry is married, is a husband, is going to be a father, is in fact shattering to her. It finishes any idea that she will ever be Harry's darling SIL and it puts a permanent end to her flirting and other antics at appearances. I am also sure she is not coping well with press coverage being moved firmly away from her (she isolates herself, but still wants to be the most in demand royal like Diana was) and I think the press will start giving Meg more coverage and I believe she is going to start feeling even worse as time goes by. I do not think she is someone who wants to face the fact that the world is moving on beyond her and Meg is clearly able to work the press one way or another and Meg is getting more coverage simply by being new to the scene, being biracial, pregnant, and someone who is doing appearances and getting coverage as a result.

Meg is a reminder to Kate that the world does not revolve around her and I am dead sure that Kate is angry at another dream of hers being shattered. Meg is a symbol of reality, a reality that Kate clearly tries very hard to avoid.


Title: Re: Kate & Meghan Relationship Thread
Post by: Alexandrine on November 27, 2018, 06:54:14 pm
I dont think this is about Kate at all.


Title: Re: Kate & Meghan Relationship Thread
Post by: Miss Hathaway on November 27, 2018, 07:57:27 pm
^^  Eh?  Meggles is a symbol of reality?  Maybe in Dante's Inferno . . . .  :James:


Title: Re: Kate & Meghan Relationship Thread
Post by: Joanna on November 27, 2018, 09:10:01 pm
I think Meghan and her personality are the issue here, when another person is added to the family the whole of its dynamics change. There's been three different occasions that reports have been showing up that she might be the issue. The first is the amount of people that worked for Harry (and later for the couple) who have quit their jobs in a short period of time, one of them had worked for Harry for many years. Call me picky but three people in 6 months since the wedding is a red flag for me, there can't possibly be so many mistakes that three different people can make before one starts to think the issue isn't with the employee but with the employer, so the issue may be her character. Meghan being the new variable added most likely that's what's causing instability. Secondly, she's got a story of being caring to people for a while, having them in her life and then dumping them when it suits her, family and friends alike, which to me is another red flag. Thirdly before her, there were no reports of tension between William and Harry, which to me seems more troubling than reports of issues between Kate and Meghan.

Meghan is smart and knows how to put on a show, she knows how to shine on the centre stage and she delights in it, she's plays the part Kate wishes she could convey to the people, a somewhat modern woman, educated, well spoken and sophisticated.  However, Kate is everything Meghan deep down wishes she could have, it's Kate that will be the Queen, it's Kate that still enjoys better PR than her, it's Kate that more likely is better accepted by her husband's family than Meghan can ever hope to be, she will have the centre stage Meghan craves, she had the benefit of enjoying a nicer education than Meghan's and being one step above Meghan on the social ladder (I consider Meghan working class and Kate middle class  (even though her parents became millionairs, I believe class is deeper than the money one has, and it makes a huge difference, IMHO), Kate's british so she understands the culture, she understands the Queen's importance, she understands the depth of her husband's future role, she understands the class system that is so very deeply ingrained in the british behaviour, she's been dealing with her husband's circle for many years, she probably learned how to deal with them in spite of probably not liking them and not ever fitting in with them, she knows not to make compromising statements that could put her in a troubling position, she definetly knows her place.


Title: Re: Kate & Meghan Relationship Thread
Post by: Stargazer on November 27, 2018, 10:15:58 pm
I think you are spot on here Johanna, Kate fits in even if her work ethic hasn’t been great until recently. She does seem more regal lately, less try hard. For me, some of that is not giving a toss if she repeats her fashion favourites, having new outfits created in different colours and modified styles which appears more thrifty and doesn’t get the price tag articles, more like HM. She seems more accepted by the family, maybe that’s by staying the distance and having a third child. Or maybe it’s Megs arriving on the scene!  I think Megs rubs people up the wrong way, and she is going to have to pull it back a bit if she can, and accept her place as wife of the sixth in line. I wonder if she can do that. Being so obvious about wearing that coat to Eugenie’s wedding to signal to the world she was preggers is not on. It has to be deliberate. Kate for all her faults wouldn’t steal a bride’s thunder. I wonder if there’s any truth to the DM article, and if so what made Kate upset.


Title: Re: Kate & Meghan Relationship Thread
Post by: Kuei Fei on November 27, 2018, 10:27:43 pm
I think a huge amount of Kate's improvement comes from the fact that it is clear that she is likely on some kind of probation. Clearly she isn't glowing with the belief that all will be well and she must feel glad that she is allowed to stay on since her husband clearly doesn't care about her at all. It is clear that she isn't welcomed among her BRF since she clearly isn't thriving socially or otherwise. Kate might have been told by a courtier or by Charles/HM that if she doesn't shape up, she will be kicked out. I also think control over her office has been yanked from her and I am certain she is alone even among her family (who likely keeps pressuring her for more favors).


Title: Re: Kate & Meghan Relationship Thread
Post by: sandy on November 27, 2018, 11:57:12 pm
Even though Harry is now sixth in line, he and Meghan will be quite visible until Will's children take up royal duties which probably won't be for over 20 years.


Title: Re: Kate & Meghan Relationship Thread
Post by: MOSAIC on November 28, 2018, 10:42:52 am

Stargazer -what made Kate upset was that Harry was getting married.  Chelsey was similarly tearful according to reports.


Title: Re: Kate & Meghan Relationship Thread
Post by: Stargazer on November 28, 2018, 11:44:59 am
Well that does make things interesting Mosaic, I think she really does dislike Meg. As for Chelsea, I watched her at the wedding and she did look upset. Such a shame she and Harry didn’t marry.

KF I do believe that there was frustration with Kate not doing enough, but I don’t think they will turf her out given that MM is seen as such a disaster. The way HM looked at MM during the ceremony then the stories being leaked about HM thinking she should not wear a veil, then the tiara hissy fit and concert sitting in the outer circle plus the Remberance service balcony. Kate won respect through her family’s war service and her tears during the service next to HM. That’s a signal - it could have just been HM and Camz on that balcony with the three others on the remaining one. MM must be seething over this it seems like a snub.

Sandy, he is sixth you are right,  it will be a while before he is pushed out of the limelight, in the next 15-20 years when George and Charlotte grab the media’s attention, but the gloss has definitely worn off him with this marriage. Plus, Edward and Sophie are being wheeled out more whereas Harry is being sent away.


Title: Re: Kate & Meghan Relationship Thread
Post by: Alexandrine on November 28, 2018, 12:31:33 pm
I really dont see Kate overly worried about Meghan. She got what she wanted and Kate has never been a fan of thr limelight.


Title: Re: Kate & Meghan Relationship Thread
Post by: Val on November 28, 2018, 01:22:02 pm
^^

Kate was severely taken to task for her behaviour during previous Rememberance Services.  She was seen giggling and tittering for many years.  She was told categorically that it was causing offence to those who had served the country and their families.


Title: Re: Kate & Meghan Relationship Thread
Post by: Miss Hathaway on November 28, 2018, 02:45:54 pm
I think a huge amount of Kate's improvement comes from the fact that it is clear that she is likely on some kind of probation. Clearly she isn't glowing with the belief that all will be well and she must feel glad that she is allowed to stay on since her husband clearly doesn't care about her at all. It is clear that she isn't welcomed among her BRF since she clearly isn't thriving socially or otherwise. Kate might have been told by a courtier or by Charles/HM that if she doesn't shape up, she will be kicked out. I also think control over her office has been yanked from her and I am certain she is alone even among her family (who likely keeps pressuring her for more favors).

This may have been true a while back, KF, but I don't think it is any longer.  As Val pointed out, Kate was taken to task for her behavior on the balcony and I would add for dress mishaps, etc.  But that has all changed now.  Kate appears to be firmly in the fold, she is dressing well, looks regal, has a self assurance about her that she never has had, and she and William seem to be getting along well and have reached an understanding.  Her family has disappeared off the radar, and she appears to be on good terms with members of the royal family. 

By contrast, Meggles is despised by everyone in three countries:  USA, Canada, Britain!   LOL.  Megs wants what Kate has, and so she will continue to have her PR leak unflattering details about Kate.  This is already her undoing -- taking on Her Majesty and now Kate. (Notice she is bypassing Camilla.  Either she has been warned that Charles won't stand for it or she thinks Camilla is too old to be jealous of).  Megs is in way over her wig.  Unfortunately, her exit will be brutal and ugly for everyone around her.

If Kate is smart, she will not have any kind of a relationship with this dangerous narcissist.


Title: Re: Kate & Meghan Relationship Thread
Post by: sandy on November 28, 2018, 02:50:51 pm
^^

Kate was severely taken to task for her behaviour during previous Rememberance Services.  She was seen giggling and tittering for many years.  She was told categorically that it was causing offence to those who had served the country and their families.

who took her to task? I have seen worse behavior on other royal tours with "respected" royals including dress malfunctions and giggling at entertainers who were not comedians.

Who told her? Did you read an accurate account or is it from the DM?


Title: Re: Kate & Meghan Relationship Thread
Post by: CarryingOn on November 28, 2018, 04:11:41 pm
I think Meghan and her personality are the issue here, when another person is added to the family the whole of its dynamics change. There's been three different occasions that reports have been showing up that she might be the issue. The first is the amount of people that worked for Harry (and later for the couple) who have quit their jobs in a short period of time, one of them had worked for Harry for many years. Call me picky but three people in 6 months since the wedding is a red flag for me, there can't possibly be so many mistakes that three different people can make before one starts to think the issue isn't with the employee but with the employer, so the issue may be her character. Meghan being the new variable added most likely that's what's causing instability. Secondly, she's got a story of being caring to people for a while, having them in her life and then dumping them when it suits her, family and friends alike, which to me is another red flag. Thirdly before her, there were no reports of tension between William and Harry, which to me seems more troubling than reports of issues between Kate and Meghan.

Meghan is smart and knows how to put on a show, she knows how to shine on the centre stage and she delights in it, she's plays the part Kate wishes she could convey to the people, a somewhat modern woman, educated, well spoken and sophisticated.  However, Kate is everything Meghan deep down wishes she could have, it's Kate that will be the Queen, it's Kate that still enjoys better PR than her, it's Kate that more likely is better accepted by her husband's family than Meghan can ever hope to be, she will have the centre stage Meghan craves, she had the benefit of enjoying a nicer education than Meghan's and being one step above Meghan on the social ladder (I consider Meghan working class and Kate middle class  (even though her parents became millionairs, I believe class is deeper than the money one has, and it makes a huge difference, IMHO), Kate's british so she understands the culture, she understands the Queen's importance, she understands the depth of her husband's future role, she understands the class system that is so very deeply ingrained in the british behaviour, she's been dealing with her husband's circle for many years, she probably learned how to deal with them in spite of probably not liking them and not ever fitting in with them, she knows not to make compromising statements that could put her in a troubling position, she definetly knows her place.


It's definitely the most troubling, particularly when taking into the account the total culmination of all of these negative articles in the past few months as you've already recounted for us. This is not all just made up drama and it never usually is with the British media concerning the Royal Family. There's truth there and even if William and Harry's relationship wasn't perfect before Murky, it would be horrible for it to completely break down all because Harry wants to play savior to a loser who doesn't need saving.

I really dont see Kate overly worried about Meghan. She got what she wanted and Kate has never been a fan of thr limelight.

I agree except, at this point at least, I don't think she's worried about her at all. The only thing Kate isn't dumb about is the fact that she is William's wife regardless and she's first in line. She's not going anywhere. Anything short of being caught in a cheating scandal, William will have no reason to divorce her, which I don't believe she'll ever do, because she'd lose everything with no sympathy and she's never going to leave him. She's cemented. It doesn't matter how popular some want Murky to be, that will never be enough to usurp the foundation of blood and the first born. People can't have their cake and eat it too. None of us can. You can't have a monarchy, constitutional or otherwise, but also want to "elect" the person you like most for the job.

Also, game recognizes game. I doubt if many of us have seen it, Kannot hasn't also recognized that Murky is the same as her: all lacquer (and poorly applied just like hers is) and no substance.


Title: Re: Kate & Meghan Relationship Thread
Post by: sandy on November 28, 2018, 04:29:51 pm
I don't think any consort marrying into that family is necessarily "set for life." Kate's life depends upon William, the one who has the real power.  Kate may have had children but in this day and age that does not guarantee stability. Even the wife of the "first in line" is dispensable. Others were told there can be "no divorce" but divorces happened. Kate can't get totally smug, she was dumped in 2007. And William goes off to see Jecca whenever he pleases.

I don't think Meghan is a loser. She can learn the ropes. At least she doesn't sit home depending on excuses made for her not working.

Maybe Meghan is playing "savior" to Harry. It goes both ways. The woman is not necessarily "inferior" and the man is "superior." I think some perspective is needed on this.

As commoners, Kate and Meghan have a lot in common. Kate was also accused of social climbing. And she did get very bad press.


Title: Re: Kate & Meghan Relationship Thread
Post by: Kuei Fei on November 28, 2018, 08:01:11 pm
I think the difference between the two women, is that Meg is practical and a realist, if not an outright cynic. I believe that Meg understands that keeping Charles sweet is the main goal and Meg is all too aware that marriages do not often last forever. Meg is kissing up to Charles all the time, but for some reason, Kate seems to think that she can just flout Charles at every turn and bash him nonstop.

Royal and aristocratic spouses have been set aside for centuries, even in France; it's only VERY recently that divorce became considered anathema (via the Victorian Era) and it is a fact that ANY wife of a rich/powerful man that is never secure unless she has a bank account of her own. No marriage these days is secure and all it takes is for William to wake up one day, reach for a phone, and call a courtier and ask the courtier to discreetly summon a lawyer. After the divorce, she would lose her HRH and end up with less than Fergie. She has no leverage and she has no bargaining power.

I think Meg is more aware that she will not last if she does not work and she's making the most of a role of a lifetime. I think she is aware that the more she does, the better the BRF might have to treat her in the event of a divorce. The more she establishes herself, the more she has to hold on to if the marriage ends.

Kate is either unaware of it, or she is unwilling to face it and I believe one day she will wake up and realize that she does not have a marriage spiritually, romantically, and one day, she will wake up and find out that she doesn't have a marriage legally. I think she is someone who is unwilling to face that and for some reason, just mooches around as if William is going to continue this forever. I think also that while HM might forbid a divorce during her reign, clearly Kate isn't thinking of the future, which resides with Charles and Charles will likely not be a passive monarch.


Title: Re: Kate & Meghan Relationship Thread
Post by: sandy on November 28, 2018, 11:30:38 pm
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/femail/article-6439623/Kate-brushes-rumours-rift-Meghan.html?login

Kate speaks up.


Title: Re: Kate & Meghan Relationship Thread
Post by: dianab on November 29, 2018, 12:39:59 am
Kate's doing now what the windsors did and do their whole lives, keeping up the appearances... as i'm sure kate's kids already met and spend time with pippa's baby...


Title: Re: Kate & Meghan Relationship Thread
Post by: CarryingOn on November 29, 2018, 04:31:29 am
Kate is no longer William’s university girlfriend. She’s his wife. And yes he dumped her back then. We all know that. Just like we all know that he went back to her. He could’ve dumped her a long time ago and left her where she lay but he didn’t. Not only did he get back with her, he married her.

There’s no reason to believe that he’s going to wake up one day and toss her to the side because the sky is blue. Especially now that he’s over 30 and - regardless of where any of us think they came from - he physically and legally shares responsibility of three small children with her. That’s on top of the fact that she’s always let him come and go as he pleases. He’s not some anonymous rich dude who can dump his wife for some nonsense reason and it’s the here and now that matters. He could dump her but the public would want to know why and if he didn’t have a good reason, he’d destroy what’s left of his public image, which isn’t much. He’s in a no win situation. And even if he divorced her, he still wouldn’t be able to get out of taking care of her in some manner. So, yes I’d say Kate’s cemented.

He has no reason to divorce her and as much as he seems to dislike her his stance has always been she’s too convenient to give up.

^ Exactly. Keeping up appearances and that’s all that matters for them.


Title: Re: Kate & Meghan Relationship Thread
Post by: HRHOlya on November 29, 2018, 08:47:37 am
^^ Exactly. A form of "denial" (preferably by a Camb or C&C) was bound to come forth.

^ I agree.


Title: Re: Kate & Meghan Relationship Thread
Post by: Alexandrine on November 29, 2018, 09:35:54 am
Also William got the kind of family he wanted thanks to Kate. Maybe he will have an affair here or there but there is alsl a huge link with her through her family.

He may have found someone else on his twenties to marry but doubtful he will even try now.


Title: Re: Kate & Meghan Relationship Thread
Post by: sandy on November 29, 2018, 01:19:10 pm
Life is unpredictable. There is such a thing as 'mid life crises' in men who look for younger women when they reach middle age. I wish them well but every marriage takes work and no assumptions can be made that it is "clear sailing" for either of them.


Title: Re: Kate & Meghan Relationship Thread
Post by: dianab on November 29, 2018, 02:45:19 pm

^ Exactly. Keeping up appearances and that’s all that matters for them.

^^ Exactly. A form of "denial" (preferably by a Camb or C&C) was bound to come forth.

^ I agree.

Interesting enough, she didnt mention Meghan...

Also William got the kind of family he wanted thanks to Kate. Maybe he will have an affair here or there but there is alsl a huge link with her through her family.

He may have found someone else on his twenties to marry but doubtful he will even try now.
i think he'll just leave kate for another woman with a close knit family


Title: Re: Kate & Meghan Relationship Thread
Post by: Kuei Fei on November 29, 2018, 02:46:12 pm
When William hits forty and at some point takes stock of his life, he is going to get very upset. He will realize the mess he's made of his life and he will realize that he threw his life away on carrying a fully grown adult woman who should have been more self sufficient.

There are NO guarantees in this world and there are NO guarantees that Kate is secure. Meg knows all about insecurity and knows all about unpredictability in life. Kate, despite her choices in life, remains determinedly naive about so many things.


Title: Re: Kate & Meghan Relationship Thread
Post by: Miss Hathaway on November 29, 2018, 04:59:52 pm
^ I would say it is the opposite.  Kate has never been confident of William and was insecure in her role as duchess for a long while.  It appears that things have shifted in both areas, and she is gaining confidence.

Megs, on the other hand, is a Classic Narcissist.  She has manipulated, lied, coerced, whined, bargained, and traded for everything she has gotten and appears to believe that even better offers are just around the corner for her.  She does not recognize her bad traits.  She thinks she is God's Gift to the World.  Going up against the subtle boundaries of the Queen has been a shock to her system.   The media backlashing on her has been a shock to her system.  She will take out as many as she can when she is booted out.   Megs needs to have some insecurities and settle down and treat people well.  That will never happen, though, 'cause she is a Narcissist.   


Title: Re: Kate & Meghan Relationship Thread
Post by: YooperModerator on November 29, 2018, 05:20:29 pm
^Yep.  In US-speak, Sparkles didn't see just how impossibly conservative the BRF is and I believe she's really thought she'd make the same kind of liberal impact that's much more available in the States.  There's authoritative support and money/acceptance for her way of thinking here.  Kate is clearly conservative and has no issues with the way the Firm operates.  Sooo, they have completely different values and belief systems.  Kate's fits and will garner internal allegiance, Smirkle's doesn't.  Not in any earth shattering way nor how she expected to take the "UK by storm".  It's laughable, really.


Title: Re: Kate & Meghan Relationship Thread
Post by: Byechoc on November 30, 2018, 12:12:28 am
The way HM looked at MM during the ceremony then the stories being leaked about HM thinking she should not wear a veil, then the tiara hissy fit and concert sitting in the outer circle plus the Remberance service balcony. Kate won respect through her family’s war service and her tears during the service next to HM. That’s a signal - it could have just been HM and Camz on that balcony with the three others on the remaining one. MM must be seething over this it seems like a snub.

Sandy, he is sixth you are right,  it will be a while before he is pushed out of the limelight, in the next 15-20 years when George and Charlotte grab the media’s attention, but the gloss has definitely worn off him with this marriage. Plus, Edward and Sophie are being wheeled out more whereas Harry is being sent away.
The Queen has more than 90 years!!! She learned a lot with several people, she was able to make the monarchy stronger after a tsunami called Diana... and even Fergie! I think that she knows that Meghan is trouble, just by the behaviour of her family tells you how low a break up in this marriage will be! So, I think that there is a lot of convenient news for the palace! They are able to smell trouble, and unlike what happened in the past that everything is in the shades, they allow this to come... and they are getting very good press for the ones that matter that are William and Kate. Also, this stories will protect the royal family from her! Also with the interviews that her family, the markles, gave in the past! Everything will turn against her.... even the fact that she was in Pippa's wedding can be seen as an effort to welcome Meghan to the family (by Kate and William)but she was able to be nasty (because the story that everything started because William did not accept Meghan seems to be a PR stunt made by Meghan)

so if she loses Harry, she will start to live a nightmare! And this thing about being moderated with expenses is some advice! Meghan thinks that she just can arrive and get everything that she wants because people have to pay! Actually like a lot of people said about Kate is Meghan that actually is able to shout LET THEM EAT CAKE!!!

Meghan is a narcissistic person and when she sees that limelight going to the young generation, she will get divorced and in future when her child marries she will be 5000 times worst than Sarah.

I think the difference between the two women, is that Meg is practical and a realist, if not an outright cynic. I believe that Meg understands that keeping Charles sweet is the main goal and Meg is all too aware that marriages do not often last forever. Meg is kissing up to Charles all the time, but for some reason, Kate seems to think that she can just flout Charles at every turn and bash him nonstop.
I don't agree that Meghan is realistic, actually I think that she believes the fairytale story and she will be so popular like she is now... she thinks that fame will always be like this!!!

But she knows that the person that has money is Charles, and t get everything that she wants she needs to be nice to him... what she is not getting is that William is the one that will get it all, including the Duchy of Cornwall! William will see revenge, everyone knows how he is... let's just hope that he forgives Harry!!!

I think Meg is more aware that she will not last if she does not work and she's making the most of a role of a lifetime. I think she is aware that the more she does, the better the BRF might have to treat her in the event of a divorce. The more she establishes herself, the more she has to hold on to if the marriage ends.

Kate is either unaware of it, or she is unwilling to face it and I believe one day she will wake up and realize that she does not have a marriage spiritually, romantically, and one day, she will wake up and find out that she doesn't have a marriage legally. I think she is someone who is unwilling to face that and for some reason, just mooches around as if William is going to continue this forever. I think also that while HM might forbid a divorce during her reign, clearly Kate isn't thinking of the future, which resides with Charles and Charles will likely not be a passive monarch.
Kate knows that she will not need that... however, Meghan is aware that her life is not going to be the heaven that she thought that will be... Kate is actually admired in Britain, people spoke very nice things about her!! Well about Meghan the vast majority of people don't buy the story that she is in love... well she is but for fame nothing else... so yes she needs to reassure her position, because she knows that she is in a fragile condition... regarding the HRH, well everyone says that as mother of the future king kate will have her title, everyone sad that this was the biggest mistake of QEII regarding Diana! They will never do that again.... and I don't believe that Charles will dictate against Kate... It was said during years that William couldn't get it wrong, he will do everything in his power to try to save the marriage, only if William really wants! But William will do everything to avoid the pain that he saw in his mother to their children, he might have other women but he will make an agreement with kate in the last case scenario.


Kate's doing now what the windsors did and do their whole lives, keeping up the appearances... as i'm sure kate's kids already met and spend time with pippa's baby...
indeed!!!! It will e amazing if she said: I am happy that they are out and also take the dogs and the horrible smell of roasted chicken!!  :hi:


Kate is no longer William’s university girlfriend. She’s his wife. And yes he dumped her back then. We all know that. Just like we all know that he went back to her. He could’ve dumped her a long time ago and left her where she lay but he didn’t. Not only did he get back with her, he married her.

There’s no reason to believe that he’s going to wake up one day and toss her to the side because the sky is blue. Especially now that he’s over 30 and - regardless of where any of us think they came from - he physically and legally shares responsibility of three small children with her. That’s on top of the fact that she’s always let him come and go as he pleases. He’s not some anonymous rich dude who can dump his wife for some nonsense reason and it’s the here and now that matters. He could dump her but the public would want to know why and if he didn’t have a good reason, he’d destroy what’s left of his public image, which isn’t much. He’s in a no win situation. And even if he divorced her, he still wouldn’t be able to get out of taking care of her in some manner. So, yes I’d say Kate’s cemented.

He has no reason to divorce her and as much as he seems to dislike her his stance has always been she’s too convenient to give up.

brilliant post!!!! if he did that he will be dead in terms of PR for the rest of his life!!!

Life is unpredictable. There is such a thing as 'mid life crises' in men who look for younger women when they reach middle age. I wish them well but every marriage takes work and no assumptions can be made that it is "clear sailing" for either of them.
Well, but he will have a lot of people remembering him to not do it... Charles had that for years, same for princess Margareth! For them is not that easy!

There are NO guarantees in this world and there are NO guarantees that Kate is secure. Meg knows all about insecurity and knows all about unpredictability in life. Kate, despite her choices in life, remains determinedly naive about so many things.
Just because Meghan had to arrive there with problems in her car and lack of resources does not make her better than Kate! And actually, Kate is becoming better and better!

Megs, on the other hand, is a Classic Narcissist.  She has manipulated, lied, coerced, whined, bargained, and traded for everything she has gotten and appears to believe that even better offers are just around the corner for her.  She does not recognize her bad traits.  She thinks she is God's Gift to the World.  Going up against the subtle boundaries of the Queen has been a shock to her system.   The media backlashing on her has been a shock to her system.  She will take out as many as she can when she is booted out.   Megs needs to have some insecurities and settle down and treat people well.  That will never happen, though, 'cause she is a Narcissist.   
I think that she does not understand the limitation of her role... she thinks that she is far superior then she actually is!!! She thinks that everyone is going to be devoted and believe her all the time! She does not understand that what she did to her family and friends was bad enough! but she forgets that Karma is a *female dog*! and the higher she gets bigger will be her fall! She just needs to remember what happened to Fergie!

^Yep.  In US-speak, Sparkles didn't see just how impossibly conservative the BRF is and I believe she's really thought she'd make the same kind of liberal impact that's much more available in the States.  There's authoritative support and money/acceptance for her way of thinking here.  Kate is clearly conservative and has no issues with the way the Firm operates.  Sooo, they have completely different values and belief systems.  Kate's fits and will garner internal allegiance, Smirkle's doesn't.  Not in any earth shattering way nor how she expected to take the "UK by storm".  It's laughable, really.
You got the best point!!! And while people think that Meghans wedding was the best because was modern and all that... in europe that was seen as ridiculus, and this shows how different the views are in both sides of the atlantic!!


Title: Re: Kate & Meghan Relationship Thread
Post by: sandy on November 30, 2018, 02:19:07 am
^ I would say it is the opposite.  Kate has never been confident of William and was insecure in her role as duchess for a long while.  It appears that things have shifted in both areas, and she is gaining confidence.

Megs, on the other hand, is a Classic Narcissist.  She has manipulated, lied, coerced, whined, bargained, and traded for everything she has gotten and appears to believe that even better offers are just around the corner for her.  She does not recognize her bad traits.  She thinks she is God's Gift to the World.  Going up against the subtle boundaries of the Queen has been a shock to her system.   The media backlashing on her has been a shock to her system.  She will take out as many as she can when she is booted out.   Megs needs to have some insecurities and settle down and treat people well.  That will never happen, though, 'cause she is a Narcissist.   

Kate was pushing 30 when she married William in 2011. She has not developed a good work ethic as yet. I see the same old same old with her. She should have gotten some work experience during her wait for the ring, she just sat back got supported by her parents and was on call for William.

Why is Meghan written as the only one in the relationship. You leave out Harry. they became a couple. So maybe HE manipulated, coerced, whined, bargained to be with her. Why is it that men are considered the 'prizes.' It does not seem to occur that perhaps Harry wanted her too. She could not "make him" want her He had women throwing themselves at him and he would take them for one night stands, some models included and socialites. I am thinking They coerced, whined, bargained to no avail. He was and is an active participant in the relationship and he decided to marry her and she accepted his proposal.

I don't see what 'crimes" she committed other than not getting well fitting or tailored clothing, she did have some outfits that looked good on her. Narcissist? She looks humble in comparison with some of the royals especially her father in law with his multiple birthdays and overwhelming spin about how "great" he is. She looks like a shrinking violet in comparison.

I don't see a media backlash, just a continuation of the same who did not want her to marry Harry and did not stop the wedding. People Magazine and others still adore her and all royals.

I don't see how her father and Samantha treated her well recently, Samantha even stalked her to KP. And called her names and Harry too. Her father seems to listen to Samantha. Her father seems to be keeping quiet now. Samantha is still in there pitching but even that has slowed down.

Nobody has to "like" her. But I see some really strong comments in the DM that are downright scary: wanting the baby to die, wanting Meghan to go to Paris to a tunnel, and the name calling. She is no saint but  she does not deserve people wishing her dead.


Title: Re: Kate & Meghan Relationship Thread
Post by: Byechoc on November 30, 2018, 08:18:19 am
Kate was pushing 30 when she married William in 2011. She has not developed a good work ethic as yet. I see the same old same old with her. She should have gotten some work experience during her wait for the ring, she just sat back got supported by her parents and was on call for William.
Just because she was that age she had to be ready for everything? There are things that will happen in life that you are never ready....
Why is Meghan written as the only one in the relationship. You leave out Harry. they became a couple. So maybe HE manipulated, coerced, whined, bargained to be with her. Why is it that men are considered the 'prizes.' It does not seem to occur that perhaps Harry wanted her too. She could not "make him" want her He had women throwing themselves at him and he would take them for one night stands, some models included and socialites. I am thinking They coerced, whined, bargained to no avail. He was and is an active participant in the relationship and he decided to marry her and she accepted his proposal.
It's true that she was Harry choice! I don't want to be rude but so was Kate... It's incredible that you put things in a way that it seems that kate manipulated, coerced, did everything possible to get him... Just one thing, saying that she failed because she got 8 or 9 years to marry is not a fail at all... actually its a victory in my eyes, because she did not allow her relationship fail and make him break up with her forever! And having long relationships before a marriage is something common in Europe! actually, everything looks with some uncertainty when people marry after months or only one year after they start dating.

I don't see what 'crimes" she committed other than not getting well fitting or tailored clothing, she did have some outfits that looked good on her. Narcissist? She looks humble in comparison with some of the royals especially her father in law with his multiple birthdays and overwhelming spin about how "great" he is. She looks like a shrinking violet in comparison.
So.... let me see if I got it right... she did not commit a crime to get expensive closes all the time putting more pressure in the taxpayers, a country that is in trouble and will be in trouble after Brexit, and that economy falls a lot... When years ago, Kate as so criticised because she brought things in the high street a lot cheaper... regarding birthday parties, in history you will have several examples of that!!!! If we agree or not that does not matter! However, unlike Meghan, Kate knows her place and does not bypass William... sometimes she got a lot more press because of the clothes, but she never tried to take the limelight from William, Meghan did and does that....

Recently there is a lot of news against her, the problem is the number of sources! First saying that she was pregnant on Eugenie wedding, being in a wedding from someone that had to delay the ceremony and also shares the limelight with her, does not seem right to take the light from other people!!! Going with the type of dress at stopping at the colour was not the right option (despite being a nice dress) why this? How man sources about her being nasty and ruthless with her servants? in 6 months there are so many leaving? always speaking against her? and saying that Harry changed since her? that does not say a lot? what about the number of sources that says that she wanted to get other tiaras that were massive... the problem is unlike what happened with Kate she has a lot against her! The problem is that Meghan thought that the palace will not be against her and will protect her... what she does to hide this... well she comes out with the hugs and kisses to show how different she is from other royals, but guess what: she chose the wrong country to do that!!! Do you remember the bad comments about her and Harry in Australia for all those displays of how in love they are?!?!?

I don't see a media backlash, just a continuation of the same who did not want her to marry Harry and did not stop the wedding. People Magazine and others still adore her and all royals.

I don't see how her father and Samantha treated her well recently, Samantha even stalked her to KP. And called her names and Harry too. Her father seems to listen to Samantha. Her father seems to be keeping quiet now. Samantha is still in there pitching but even that has slowed down.

Nobody has to "like" her. But I see some really strong comments in the DM that are downright scary: wanting the baby to die, wanting Meghan to go to Paris to a tunnel, and the name calling. She is no saint but  she does not deserve people wishing her dead.
Sorry but it's UK.... not one really care about people magazine... that are delighted that they have an American princess that they believe she is amazing (and she is not)!!! and it's incredible that the comments that try to save Meghan image are American and try to put Kate down are vast majority Americans!  However, I agree with you that saying she should be dead is actually bad and unpleasant... Like I said before the only thing good about her is that she is making Kate came out from the shadows of KP and increase her popularity... also the way that she spoke about her pregnancy shows how well prepared kate is to deal with these problems!


Title: Re: Kate & Meghan Relationship Thread
Post by: sandy on November 30, 2018, 03:36:29 pm
Some buy People magazine and it is their fanzine.


Title: Re: Kate & Meghan Relationship Thread
Post by: lesken on December 01, 2018, 07:34:48 am
^^ A lot of Americans don't like her one bit.  And I don't want anyone dead except the criminals we prosecute on death row. They deserve it. But not Murks but I don't like her even though I want her to live.  I see that many of the negative remarks about M are from Americans.  In L.A. no one really cares about her as there are plenty of her types around and people get sick of them. I don't think she would get any crowds here and for that matter, there were no big crowds for Wills and Waity when they came.


Title: Re: Kate & Meghan Relationship Thread
Post by: sandy on December 01, 2018, 03:23:22 pm
Some don't care. Some like her. I see negative remarks from people on DMwith odd names from Australia, Germany, and other countries. the ones that want bad things to happen to the extreme.

Unless surveys of the population (imagine government money spent on this LOL) about Meghan are taken it's all speculation. DM people don't represent the entire population.

Well the royals really have no "stars" so I agree people would not show up for them much here.


Title: Re: Kate & Meghan Relationship Thread
Post by: dianab on December 01, 2018, 03:37:49 pm
It's not needed surveys of the population to know if someone is liked or not... obama was mega polular he'll be elected was a given, exactly what happened, diana and fergie were very popular in 1980s, there werent  surveys of the population to prove that...

i dont brought meghan is that liked in uk... Nowadays people are more indiferent to the windsors than anything else


Title: Re: Kate & Meghan Relationship Thread
Post by: sandy on December 01, 2018, 04:04:58 pm
There is no way of knowing about how everybody thinks. Some did not care for Obama some did not care at all. Obama was also running against the controversial Mrs Clinton in the primaries  so he was being rooted for.


Title: Re: Kate & Meghan Relationship Thread
Post by: YooperModerator on December 01, 2018, 04:06:27 pm
Off topic. YM


Title: Re: Kate & Meghan Relationship Thread
Post by: dianab on December 01, 2018, 04:44:01 pm
There is no way of knowing about how everybody thinks. Some did not care for Obama some did not care at all. Obama was also running against the controversial Mrs Clinton in the primaries  so he was being rooted for.
i was talking about he winning twice against a Republican candidate it was a given twice BTW ... i'm talking about as the popularity of those peple wasnt proved with 'surveys of the population'....
as it's a given say diana and fergie were very popular royals (their popularity wasnt proved with surveys of the population.... better not start with queen-mother or queen alexandra)... it's given says that meghan fell out with people very powerful behind scenes...

Furious Duchess of Cambridge 'fell out with Meghan Markle before the royal wedding after the former actress "b*****ked" a member of her staff'
-Meghan Markle allegedly berated a member of the Duchess of Cambridge's staff
-Kate Middleton is said to have told her it was 'unacceptable' to target her aides
-It comes amid rumours of a rift between Kate, 36, and the Duchess of Sussex, 37
By Tim Stickings For Mailonline
Published: 08:49 GMT, 1 December 2018 | Updated: 13:56 GMT, 1 December 2018

Kate Middleton had a furious row with Meghan Markle after the former actress 'b*****ed' a member of her staff, it has been claimed.
The Duchess of Cambridge allegedly told Meghan, 37, it was 'unacceptable' to target her aides before May's royal wedding in Windsor.
Kate, 36, is reported to have told Prince Harry's bride-to-be: 'They're my staff and I speak to them,' The Sun reported.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-6449327/Furious-Duchess-Cambridge-fell-Meghan-Markle-royal-wedding.html

Does Kate and Meghan's 'rift' risk splitting apart William and Harry? Fears for brothers bonded by tragedy as they are split by newlyweds' move to Windsor - in echo of Wallis Simpson and Queen Mother row
-Harry and pregnant Meghan, 37, decided to move 25 miles from Kate and William
-Happened after well-reported accumulation of incidents involving both wives
-Their feud recalls that of the Duchess of Windsor and the Queen Mother
By Richard Kay And Geoffrey Levy For The Daily Mail
Published: 22:20 GMT, 30 November 2018 | Updated: 01:36 GMT, 1 December 2018
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/femail/article-6448195/Meghan-Kate-arent-chums-froideur-recalls-Duchess-Windsor-Queen-Mother.html
I'm afraid Waillis was millions of times a better person than Meghan... But as Meghan as Queen-Mother are perfect examples of unevolved Leos... maybe even Queen-Mother was smater than Meghan


Title: Re: Kate & Meghan Relationship Thread
Post by: Alexandrine on December 01, 2018, 04:48:55 pm
What does b*****ked mean?


Title: Re: Kate & Meghan Relationship Thread
Post by: YooperModerator on December 01, 2018, 04:50:49 pm
^I was just gonna ask that, too.  Bullocked?  I don't speak this language.


Title: Re: Kate & Meghan Relationship Thread
Post by: HRHOlya on December 01, 2018, 05:02:36 pm
^^ & ^ Bollocked, i.e. yelled at, insulted, reprimanded, lectured, criticized.


Title: Re: Kate & Meghan Relationship Thread
Post by: Alexandrine on December 01, 2018, 05:03:50 pm
Thank you.

I dont like Meghan but to say Wallis is better.... she was a nazi.


Title: Re: Kate & Meghan Relationship Thread
Post by: lesken on December 01, 2018, 05:04:50 pm
I can think of a worse word which would be a word for one's behind coupled with a typical fornication word " bu.f..ked" But it means dissed or thwarted. somehow


Title: Re: Kate & Meghan Relationship Thread
Post by: lesken on December 01, 2018, 05:13:32 pm
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Title: Re: Kate & Meghan Relationship Thread
Post by: sandy on December 01, 2018, 05:47:12 pm
Thank you.

I dont like Meghan but to say Wallis is better.... she was a nazi.

No, Wallis was never a Nazi. I think she was very stupid in many ways about politics.  She was out for herself. She and her husband stayed with the society set in the US--she was seen with the horsey set in Palm Beach and at posh clubs in NYC. SHe would not have been accepted back in the US if she had been a Nazi. And above all Edward became besotted with her and pursued her. They had a weird relationship where he appeared to like the put downs of Wallis.


Title: Re: Kate & Meghan Relationship Thread
Post by: YooperModerator on December 01, 2018, 05:56:42 pm
^^ & ^ Bollocked, i.e. yelled at, insulted, reprimanded, lectured, criticized.

 :thankyou:


Title: Re: Kate & Meghan Relationship Thread
Post by: sandy on December 01, 2018, 06:32:41 pm
https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2018/nov/30/meghan-markle-kate-middleton-feud-cliche-archaic-royal-family

A response.


Title: Re: Kate & Meghan Relationship Thread
Post by: Kuei Fei on December 01, 2018, 08:03:02 pm
Thank you.

I dont like Meghan but to say Wallis is better.... she was a nazi.

No, Wallis was never a Nazi. I think she was very stupid in many ways about politics.  She was out for herself. She and her husband stayed with the society set in the US--she was seen with the horsey set in Palm Beach and at posh clubs in NYC. SHe would not have been accepted back in the US if she had been a Nazi. And above all Edward became besotted with her and pursued her. They had a weird relationship where he appeared to like the put downs of Wallis.

If Wallis had been a Nazi sympathizer, I am dead sure she would have been completely ostracized in the US by the upper set she moved in so freely. A lot of 'fine families' had sons who fought and the ladies did their part for the war effort and the war was too close in everyone's memories. If not only for the Holocaust, it is a fact that the Nazis were hated by all the citizenry of the US and I am certain there would have been ZERO tolerance, especially after the Holocaust was revealed.


Title: Re: Kate & Meghan Relationship Thread
Post by: meememe on December 01, 2018, 11:11:18 pm
Delete - off topic post made in reply to the above post.


Title: Re: Kate & Meghan Relationship Thread
Post by: dianab on December 01, 2018, 11:18:26 pm
^Agree with you guys about Walis wasnt a nazi... i remember years ago someone in another forum saying she and the duke werent nazi but they hang out with high class people who liked hitler... but they were in itself a silly and inoffensive couple who liked the luxury lifestyle ... somewhat very stupid about politics... I think Wallis would have been a better consort than Camilla, Kate and Meghan put together and wouldnt have rebelled against courtiers...


Harry's staff hunt for rift leaker after claims the two couples will spend Christmas apart as aides ask whether William's 'doubts over Meghan' are to blame for the tensions between the rival duchesses  
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-6450545/Hunt-Palace-mole-revealed-news-rift-Kate-Meghan.html

This family row is VERY BAD NEWS to Charles' monarchy!



Title: Re: Kate & Meghan Relationship Thread
Post by: Kuei Fei on December 01, 2018, 11:24:38 pm
I'm pissed that Wallis got such abuse from the public; Wallis left her husband who beat her nonstop and then her second husband left for someone else. It's not like she killed anyone and I do wonder if Wallis and the ex-king in fact had an ulterior motive when it came to visiting Hitler, like maybe some spying of their own.

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Harry's staff hunt for rift leaker after claims the two couples will spend Christmas apart as aides ask whether William's 'doubts over Meghan' are to blame for the tensions between the rival duchesses 
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-6450545/Hunt-Palace-mole-revealed-news-rift-Kate-Meghan.html

If the duchesses are rivals, I am sure it is because neither wants to face the things they in fact have in common. It's not like either is fundamentally better than the other.


Title: Re: Kate & Meghan Relationship Thread
Post by: marion on December 01, 2018, 11:31:49 pm
Google The Marburg Files and you will discover the truth about Edward,  W

Hitler was buildingc concentration camps in 1933 which Edward and Wallis visited. It mist have been pretty obvious to anyone e with half a brain that these were not holiday camps, the latter do not have gas ovens and crematoria.  He and Wallis knew exactly what sure I people the Nazis were.


Title: Re: Kate & Meghan Relationship Thread
Post by: Kuei Fei on December 01, 2018, 11:35:09 pm
I believe Wallis and Edward remain an mystery to me.


Title: Re: Kate & Meghan Relationship Thread
Post by: sandy on December 01, 2018, 11:36:34 pm
I doubt they saw concentration camps. They were not Nazis. Had they been they would not have been able to go to the US Ever.  They were not ushered to concentration camps by Hitler's minions that never happened. The Lindberghs visited Germany in 1938 and never were taken to the camps. Mrs Lindbergh described the tour in depth and no mention of them. 

Wallis' first marriage was a disaster and her first husband beat her.  The best book about them is the Windsor Story. It went into the dynamics of their relationship and it explains quite a lot.


Title: Re: Kate & Meghan Relationship Thread
Post by: YooperModerator on December 01, 2018, 11:42:48 pm
Off off off off topic.  YM. Geez, you guys.


Title: Re: Kate & Meghan Relationship Thread
Post by: LadyLaura on December 01, 2018, 11:57:53 pm
lol, I'm enjoying the show with treats...may the cheapening of the British monarchy commence! If it hasn't already...


Title: Re: Kate & Meghan Relationship Thread
Post by: sandy on December 02, 2018, 12:09:32 am
It's almost bordering on being a joke now. Such overkill. Next it will be Meghan liking to eat oatmeal cereal when the others eat kippers for breakfast.


Title: Re: Kate & Meghan Relationship Thread
Post by: Kuei Fei on December 02, 2018, 03:01:55 am
I think the monarchy is just plain over; both princes were the hopes of their house and were basically not trained as they should have been. Kate and Meg getting in are the result of the princes not being raised and trained as they should have been. I am certain that neither duchess is unalike actually. I think Kate and Meg are two halves of the same coin and would certainly be at a point where both will destroy the monarchy in their own way. Kate has already trashed her rep and all the PR in the world is not going to fix her idleness; her family has undermined the respect of the institution and alienated the entire aristocracy. I think King Charles has surprises in store for her once he is crowned and as for Meg, Meg has alienated the public's affection for Harry and I am sure neither duchess is prepped for King Charles.


Title: Re: Kate & Meghan Relationship Thread
Post by: sandy on December 02, 2018, 03:20:17 am
As I said, some of the Meghan comments are creepy the ones wishing her dead, the baby dying and some go on about "James" being Harry's father. Really sick. So what if some of these commentators decide to "do something" about Meghan and try to hurt her when she is out in public.  The royals can't afford another tragedy with a royal bride. If any accident or harm came to Meghan as a result of the DM stories, I think the RF is finished.  I don't think Harry wants to "dump" her. I agree though William and Harry were allowed to drift through their twenties hitting bars and just being spoiled. And something is amiss when Carole gives that arrogant interview about her "accomplishments." It all seems to be falling apart. I don't think Meghan is "evil". She and Kate are flawed and the only ones Harry and Will found that would marry them. The royals had so much promise decades ago with the (then) new generation. I don't think the monarchy will exist when George comes of age. I think the Queen has just about given up and Charles is all about glorifying himself and using is children and grandchildren for photo ops when it suits him. Charles should have worked hard on his marriage to Diana and given their sons a home with two parents. If Camilla had been "exiled" I think he would have had more incentive to work on the marriage.

Kate can't afford to come across as thinking herself "superior" to Meghan and Meghan needs to just continue working as a royal and have a healthy baby.

If there is some tragedy with MEghan, I think it will all be over for the royals.


Title: Re: Kate & Meghan Relationship Thread
Post by: Byechoc on December 02, 2018, 09:39:55 am
https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2018/nov/30/meghan-markle-kate-middleton-feud-cliche-archaic-royal-family

A response.
Just to say this: because Brexit is happening is when the royal family need to show that they are together and strong for their people! Like the Queen's father did when London was under Nazi attack! They need to show that they are strong.

If people understand that they don't know how to behave they don't want them there! That why according to reports everyone was relief when Diana died! PR is important for them! All this coming out just makes them look bad!

However, as I said, I believe Mehan wants to be Diana 2.0, something that according to reports William and also the friends that she dumped in LA think the same... I still think that palace, to make sure that he will not be backfired, put up a display to allow her to come in... but since is she is apparently breaking all the rules (and I believe that because they never allowed this to happen during the honeymoon period with the press that she should be at the moment) they are taking everything to use in future... And let me tell you this will end in a nasty way! Because Meghan will do everything in her power to be the victim... She will make Diana and Charles look like saints when they were in war!!!!


Title: Re: Kate & Meghan Relationship Thread
Post by: sandy on December 02, 2018, 11:48:51 am
It hurt the royals when the "pesky" Diana was gone. Charles could feebly attempt to rewrite history. I think the royals are more of a mess than ever. What exactly is coming out? People spreading rumors and brewing up "loathing" for MEghan with what are really off the wall and yes scary comments. Meghan is not the problem here she is for one reason or another being scapegoated.  Meghan and Kate Both said Diana was their inspiration. Ironically it is forgotten that ca. 2011 Kate was said to watch videos of Diana and emulate her. So why is Kate raised to sainthood when she allegedly did and said the same thing Meghan did. She is not even given a chance and all the Tumblr sites were trying to bring her down even before the wedding. Meghan is no saint or victim but she is a human being and this DM nonsense is a total disgrace.

It is immaterial what Meghan did in L.A. She is married to Harry now and clearly not even given a chance to improve. Some comments want her to be done away with (die!). When it gets to that level it gets creepy. Meghan may not be a saint but this daily witch hunt makes the royals ALL look like darn fools. Kate is no saint either and neither is her ambitious mother who seems to have been let loose. People should be careful what they wish for.

Diana's saga DID end in a nasty way.Reports were from Junor and some lackeys that they were better off without her. not "everybody" felt relieved. If the royals get relieved over someone dying and leaving two motherless children, that is sick.

I stand by my opinion this will be the death knell of the royals if they are 'eager' to see a new bride ruined and maybe "rid of." What callous people these are


Title: Re: Kate & Meghan Relationship Thread
Post by: dianab on December 02, 2018, 12:10:45 pm
Big differences... Named sources said that Meghan was obssessed with Diana... when Meghan herself says had no clue who Diana, her sons or BRF were.... Kate never said anything like that... As always every excuse is made for Meghan and Kate is blamed for all... Kate also got unflattering comments for years, her children got unflatering comments too (Charlotte and Louis)... but Meghan fans have trouble with people who dont think Meghan walks on water... too much double standard for my taste...

There's nothing 'disgraceful' (which a exagerated word here, it's free speech, ok in a Democracy) about media reporting what's going on behind the scenes... Meghan has been natsy to a number of people and DM, Express and Telegraph reporters are in know... better Meghan learn to be humble...

Why is it immaterial what Meghan did in LA and not what were the life choices of Kate before her marriage?


Title: Re: Kate & Meghan Relationship Thread
Post by: sandy on December 02, 2018, 12:19:20 pm
Then the same thing could be said about Kate, "named sources" said she was obsessed with being like Diana.

MEghan never said she had "no clue" about the family. She had not met Harry yet. But this remark is twisted. And so what if she said it, does that give some posters on DM carte blanche to wish she'd die. And yes, I am referring to those comments.

I am not blaming Kate. I don't think the rumors are true to begin with. And yes these are rumors and gossip.

Charles only about two weeks ago praised Meghan. So if everybody "dislikes her" then why would he say it.

Yes free speech is fine but you forget there are psychos out there who go ballistic and try to hurt or kill a celebrity. And some comments are creepy.

You state things as fact diana b.

Why not let Meghan be "humble" and learn. But some just want her "out" and "ruined" right now.

Kate's life choices hurt her work ethic as a royal. At least Meghan worked and supported herself. 

There were also rumors about Kate being nasty to her staff.


Title: Re: Kate & Meghan Relationship Thread
Post by: Byechoc on December 02, 2018, 12:22:26 pm
Big differences... Named sources said that Meghan was obssessed with Diana... when Meghan herself says had no clue who Diana, her sons or BRF were.... Kate never said anything like that... As always every excuse is made for Meghan and Kate is blamed for all... Kate also got unflattering comments for years, her children got unflatering comments too (Charlotte and Louis)... but Meghan fans have trouble with people who dont think Meghan walks on water... too much double standard for my taste...

There's nothing 'disgraceful' (which a exagerated word here, it's free speech, ok in a Democracy) about media reporting what's going on behind the scenes... Meghan has been natsy to a number of people and DM, Express and Telegraph reporters are in know... better Meghan learn to be humble...

Why is it immaterial what Meghan did in LA and not what were the life choices of Kate before her marriage?
:goodpost:

Then the same thing could be said about Kate, "named sources" said she was obsessed with being like Diana.

There were also rumors about Kate being nasty to her staff.

can you show articles about this?


Title: Re: Kate & Meghan Relationship Thread
Post by: sandy on December 02, 2018, 02:45:37 pm
Check out Royal Gossip it was discussed here.

Also, check out interviews where Kate talks about Diana. Check out People Magazines which has side by side photos of Kate and DIana showing there are so much alike. ON this and other discussion boards there are stories about Kate studying videos of Diana.

https://www.thesun.co.uk/fabulous/6132020/kates-subtle-style-tributes-princess-diana-tiaras-houndstooth-coats-red-white-dress/

Christopher Anderson's bio of Kate talks about her watching videos about Diana for inspiration.

Just look it up on your own.

It's out there and always has been


Title: Re: Kate & Meghan Relationship Thread
Post by: india on December 02, 2018, 02:54:54 pm
The Potato Head can study everything about Diana all she wants but this is the fact: She is no Diana. They are nothing alike whatsoever.


Title: Re: Kate & Meghan Relationship Thread
Post by: lesken on December 02, 2018, 04:00:24 pm
@India  You make me laugh calling waity the Potato Head. Why that name? As I said, they both wanted to land a Diana son and they studied her and the boys although Kate had a up front chance to study  Wills and the Murks circled around Harry's circles and had to do more research before she met him to know how to emulate his mom and get to him emotionally. Other than that they are so different and not the types to have met and become friends. So no surprise they don't get along in how they fit in the royals as commoners. I am sure the Queen or her delegate has had a talk with them and warned them to make nice with each other and keep their distance in between events.


Title: Re: Kate & Meghan Relationship Thread
Post by: YooperModerator on December 02, 2018, 04:10:05 pm
^Thank you for bringing this thread back on topic.   :thankyou:


Title: Re: Kate & Meghan Relationship Thread
Post by: HRHOlya on December 02, 2018, 04:16:51 pm
Both were/ are obsessed with Diana and both have been spotted buying books about Diana, imitating her speech pattern, facial expressions, gesticulation, and fashion style.

Why the same type of sources are taken as truth re Waity but not when it comes to Murky is beyond me.

The same type of sources that profess Waity to be difficult are also seen as truth, but no source whatsoever, no matter how cohesive with other stories re Murky is true. When it comes to Murky, no source or story or writer is good enough.

And most sources are unnamed, doesn't make them lies. It belongs into the Journalism 101: Sources category.

Again: Chuck praised Waity too initially. This family will do anything to display unity, no matter how deep the hatred and fights run behind the golden curtains.

Meg's work & spending ethic is as good as Kate's, in terms of spending she's actually surpassed Kate big time.

^^ Agree.


Title: Re: Kate & Meghan Relationship Thread
Post by: Alexandrine on December 02, 2018, 04:42:29 pm
I read a comment on celebitchy that makes sense. The royal reporters wouldnt hurt their reputation with the palace without backing. So it must come from one of the palaces. Maybe not all true but someone gave green light.

And another comment that made sense to me was that the palace was backing Kate now because she followed their dictates meanwhile Meghan is trying to be independent.


Title: Re: Kate & Meghan Relationship Thread
Post by: india on December 02, 2018, 04:52:42 pm
^^^^Lesken, the reason I have called WK The Potato Head for years, well, look at her big old lumpy sag face head: it looks like a big fat distorted Idaho potato. Simple, huh? And it gets bigger with each passing day with all the gallons of filler she injects into it.


Title: Re: Kate & Meghan Relationship Thread
Post by: HRHOlya on December 02, 2018, 04:53:38 pm
^^ Those comments make a tonne of sense, indeed.
Also I believe they back Kate because in addition to K pretty much dancing to the Winds's tune is imo the fact that she's the heir's wife. And Kate keeps quiet as well.

Who'd have thunk things would turn out so well for Kate? No wonder people notice a positive glow about her lately!


Title: Re: Kate & Meghan Relationship Thread
Post by: marion on December 02, 2018, 05:25:54 pm
Apparently willy may be behind the rift as he voiced concerns re murky in the early days...you need to scroll down a bit

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-6450545/Hunt-Palace-mole-revealed-news-rift-Kate-Meghan.html


Title: Re: Kate & Meghan Relationship Thread
Post by: windsor2 on December 02, 2018, 09:21:19 pm
Royal rift: Meghan Markle’s ‘stand-off with Kate has been brewing for a year’
The rift between the Duchesses has been widely reported over the past week, but it is understood that their stand-off started as early as last Christmas. The Duchess of Sussex suggested she didn’t feel welcome by all the members of the Royal Family last year and Prince Charles, who had taken a liking to her, tried to bridge the divides, The Mail on Sunday reports. The Duke and Duchess of Cambridge invited Harry and Meghan to their home near Sandringham, Anmer Hall, last Christmas at the request of Prince Charles.
https://www.express.co.uk/news/royal/1053241/Meghan-Markle-news-Kate-Middleton-royal-family-news-relationship-strain
IMO, just like Meghan said in her VF article that she has stories to tell, apparently, so does the royal family. I think that she didn't stay at Amber Hall with Wills and Waity, but left with Harry after the church service. These articles of a rift is setting the scene for Meghan to be gone and the royal family has an excuse such as this rift for the cause. IMO, now hat Waity and Wills are getting good press and both seemed to have benefited from the situation, Meghan's no longer needed and has gotten booted back to the US, or at least that should be happening as it seems Harry's still away and the press keeps coming up with unflattering articles about her. Unfortunately though, ntil it's officially announced that she not pregnant and that she's no longer with Harry, she's still very uch around and could still pop up with Harry. Remeber in December 2016, she got booted out of the UK complete with pictures of her at the airport but there was no official word of a breakup and she continued to milk her connection to Harry all through 2017, so I'm cauciously optimemistic tht this time the hammer will drop.  :cookie:


Title: Re: Kate & Meghan Relationship Thread
Post by: LadyLaura on December 02, 2018, 09:53:16 pm
^ Unfortunately I don't see meghan going anywhere soon. She's giving birth allegedly to the most famous royal baby ever in the spring...if she gets booted out she will drag Harry with her. And then they will both play the victim, poor us against the meanie racist Courtiers and the world.  :sigh:


Title: Re: Kate & Meghan Relationship Thread
Post by: sandy on December 02, 2018, 10:35:00 pm
Kate could get booted out herself. As history has proven, the role of wife of a future King is not guaranteed. And now there are precedents.

The Duchess "allegedly" suggested she did not feel welcome. She did not write a Morton type book or go on a Panorama or Dimbleby interview. And what is the big deal about the brothers spending so much time together. Charles and Edward do not pop over to each others homes for tea for instance. It's good that the couples are leading their own lives. I got annoyed at Kate "taking care" of Harry and his brother, maybe she got a little too possessive.

And not everything that has an unnamed source is true. I think it's all about getting clickbait for the DM. Many journalists "risked" credibility over the years. Big Time. About the royals. For instance, Kanga was said to be the other woman, not Camilla; maybe JEcca and William had a pretend engagement but the writers stated it as fact; Maybe the "boys" said anything to make you happy Papa, maybe they didn't. Lots of room for error here.

There are publications like the Guardian that are critical of all of this.


Title: Re: Kate & Meghan Relationship Thread
Post by: Kuei Fei on December 03, 2018, 02:04:26 am
Buckingham Palace Issues Rare Comment on Meghan & Kate Feud Rumors
https://www.msn.com/en-us/lifestyle/royals/buckingham-palace-issues-rare-comment-on-meghan-and-kate-feud-rumors/ar-BBQkTAJ?li=BBnbfcL&ocid=mailsignout

Royal rift: Meghan Markle’s ‘stand-off with Kate has been brewing for a year’
The rift between the Duchesses has been widely reported over the past week, but it is understood that their stand-off started as early as last Christmas. The Duchess of Sussex suggested she didn’t feel welcome by all the members of the Royal Family last year and Prince Charles, who had taken a liking to her, tried to bridge the divides, The Mail on Sunday reports. The Duke and Duchess of Cambridge invited Harry and Meghan to their home near Sandringham, Anmer Hall, last Christmas at the request of Prince Charles.
https://www.express.co.uk/news/royal/1053241/Meghan-Markle-news-Kate-Middleton-royal-family-news-relationship-strain
IMO, just like Meghan said in her VF article that she has stories to tell, apparently, so does the royal family. I think that she didn't stay at Amber Hall with Wills and Waity, but left with Harry after the church service. These articles of a rift is setting the scene for Meghan to be gone and the royal family has an excuse such as this rift for the cause. IMO, now hat Waity and Wills are getting good press and both seemed to have benefited from the situation, Meghan's no longer needed and has gotten booted back to the US, or at least that should be happening as it seems Harry's still away and the press keeps coming up with unflattering articles about her. Unfortunately though, ntil it's officially announced that she not pregnant and that she's no longer with Harry, she's still very uch around and could still pop up with Harry. Remeber in December 2016, she got booted out of the UK complete with pictures of her at the airport but there was no official word of a breakup and she continued to milk her connection to Harry all through 2017, so I'm cauciously optimemistic tht this time the hammer will drop.

There will not be a divorce unless either prince wants it and neither prince is interested in taking responsibility for the direction of their lives, so go figure.


Title: Re: Kate & Meghan Relationship Thread
Post by: dianab on December 03, 2018, 02:13:04 am
^This 'statement' remember me the Morton book days and the palace panicked denying that


Kate could get booted out herself. As history has proven, the role of wife of a future King is not guaranteed. And now there are precedents.

The Duchess "allegedly" suggested she did not feel welcome. She did not write a Morton type book or go on a Panorama or Dimbleby interview. And what is the big deal about the brothers spending so much time together. Charles and Edward do not pop over to each others homes for tea for instance. It's good that the couples are leading their own lives. I got annoyed at Kate "taking care" of Harry and his brother, maybe she got a little too possessive.
Before Dimbleby and Morton books was well reported (for years) the big trouble between charles and diana... it was already a well respected gossip, years later diana and charles admitted that in their own versions... camilla and kanga were said to be charles mistresses since 1970s, 2 decades later it was admitted as no one interested in royalty never ever doubted those affairs/relationships. I dont see what there's to doubt about Kate (+William and the Queen) and Meghan rift. When Fergie and Diana were in outs in 1980s it was reported too. It's just like it is... There shouldnt to be made have new rules for Meghan


Title: Re: Kate & Meghan Relationship Thread
Post by: lesken on December 03, 2018, 03:52:32 am
Kate is not going to get booted out by William. He is a fuddy duddy type of guy now and he is settled with Kate and three kids and doesn't want drama and divorce, etc. Plus Ma Midd won't allow Kate to leave. Now if it comes out the sprogs are not genetically Kate's, the law will change or they all get booted out and the public may be tired of them at that point so down with the monarchy. As far as the Murks, I would have bet my savings she would be divorced by 5 years. But now I am not so sure. She has Harry P___y Whipped and she may not give up her new found fortune so easily. And although I see that PH is more the type to one day just diss her even with kids around, he may not and just stick with it. They could have an arrangement like Fergs and Andrew. I am not sure anymore. I just knew those two were not best friends nor would they ever be as they are too different. And I bet waity hears fingernails screeching across the chalk board every time Murks comes around at this point in time. Things could change and they could grow to accept each other. But they are both in their later 30s and will not adapt so easily to each other. I have no doubt when Murks sees she is getting more attention than Waity at some event, she smurks at Waity which must drive her nuts. Murks smurks much of the time in front of the camera whether she is trying to or not. I guess she is the cat that swallowed the canary.


Title: Re: Kate & Meghan Relationship Thread
Post by: Kuei Fei on December 03, 2018, 04:55:42 am
I think deep down, both Kate and Meg are going to end up tearing each other down. Neither are going to live in a dynamic where they will just get on with things, they will inevitably go after each other and proceed to crash and burn. I think Kate is temperamentally unable to handle any kind of relationship with other women and Meg is too unwilling to play along, pretending that Kate is some kind of social and professional superior.

^This 'statement' remember me the Morton book days and the palace panicked denying that
Kate could get booted out herself. As history has proven, the role of wife of a future King is not guaranteed. And now there are precedents.

The Duchess "allegedly" suggested she did not feel welcome. She did not write a Morton type book or go on a Panorama or Dimbleby interview. And what is the big deal about the brothers spending so much time together. Charles and Edward do not pop over to each others homes for tea for instance. It's good that the couples are leading their own lives. I got annoyed at Kate "taking care" of Harry and his brother, maybe she got a little too possessive.
Before Dimbleby and Morton books was well reported (for years) the big trouble between charles and diana... it was already a well respected gossip, years later diana and charles admitted that in their own versions... camilla and kanga were said to be charles mistresses since 1970s, 2 decades later it was admitted as no one interested in royalty never ever doubted those affairs/relationships. I dont see what there's to doubt about Kate (+William and the Queen) and Meghan rift. When Fergie and Diana were in outs in 1980s it was reported too. It's just like it is... There shouldnt to be made have new rules for Meghan

Something is up. I think Kate has possessive issues surrounding Harry, dislikes no longer being the only woman in the set and she is disliking that Meg is getting all the press attention and good designers stuff while she is stuck reusing old things she would prefer to just discard. I also do believe that Kate is stifling in her role of being so down to earth that she wears only non-couture clothing. I can also think that she has issues handling the fact that her mother isn't the support she needs her to be. Meanwhile, Meg has the designer stuff, the more exotic life, and she has the supportive mother who has ALWAYS supported her in a way that Carole never has.


Title: Re: Kate & Meghan Relationship Thread
Post by: lesken on December 03, 2018, 06:05:45 am
Murks has designer stuff that doesn't fit her well half the time. I don't know if that makes Waity jealous.  PC may allow the wives to gather a wardrobe anew to a point and then it is time to reuse the outfits.  So Murks may have to recycle down the line unless Harry will waste his fortune on her clothes. Let's say the rift between the wives is so huge they will always looking out for ways damper the other. I don't think that will matter as far as the Monarchy goes. What will matter is if Kates kids are legitimate or not and if Murks acts out too much or gets involved in politics or radical groups or they buy a house in Malibu (when its rebuilt) and live there, people may get real tired of giving money to these people. It won't be Murks alone bringing it down but a cumulation of many things, including Charles is just not that liked.  But I don't see their not getting along as doing much of anything but giving people a chance to gossip about them and take sides or not if you dislike both like I do, although Murks is making Waity look good these days. I never thought I'd say that either. Way to go Jerky Murky.


Title: Re: Kate & Meghan Relationship Thread
Post by: sandy on December 03, 2018, 06:24:27 am
Waity never looks good to me. She comes across to me as phony. I agree with KF she is not able to "support" Harry since he now has a wife. I don't think Kate is necessarily safe from being "booted". Time will tell.

No way will Harry and MEghan move to Malibu. Charles does not want the Yorks to be part of the scaled down monarchy. Charles demonstrated with all his PR that he feels he is well liked.


Title: Re: Kate & Meghan Relationship Thread
Post by: Rosella on December 03, 2018, 12:36:41 pm
Former chef Darren McGrady talks about seeing and hearing every Royal (even the Queen) shouting at staff on occasion, in the fifteen years he worked at BP and KP.

https://mobile.twitter.com/DarrenMcGrady/status/1068948438535028737


Title: Re: Kate & Meghan Relationship Thread
Post by: YooperModerator on December 03, 2018, 01:26:12 pm
That doesn’t make it ok and certainly not from such a newbie.  She’s been in the BRF for about 15 minutes by comparison.


Title: Re: Kate & Meghan Relationship Thread
Post by: Miss Hathaway on December 03, 2018, 02:37:21 pm
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I think deep down, both Kate and Meg are going to end up tearing each other down. Neither are going to live in a dynamic where they will just get on with things, they will inevitably go after each other and proceed to crash and burn. I think Kate is temperamentally unable to handle any kind of relationship with other women and Meg is too unwilling to play along, pretending that Kate is some kind of social and professional superior.

I don't think Kate is a warm, fuzzy person; however, she gets on with her sister and mother and Sophie and Anne and Autumn Phillips.   Meggles gets on with no one.  Not her family, including her daddy; not her co-workers; not friends.  They all come and go.  Jessica Mulroney has been dropped most recently.  Both her ex-husband and the man she was living with when she started sleeping with Harry have remarried/moved on happily with their lives.  Meggles is a narcissist.  They get along with no one -- male or female. Nor do they believe that anyone -- including the Queen of England -- is more superior to them in any way.

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Something is up. I think Kate has possessive issues surrounding Harry, dislikes no longer being the only woman in the set and she is disliking that Meg is getting all the press attention and good designers stuff while she is stuck reusing old things she would prefer to just discard. I also do believe that Kate is stifling in her role of being so down to earth that she wears only non-couture clothing. I can also think that she has issues handling the fact that her mother isn't the support she needs her to be. Meanwhile, Meg has the designer stuff, the more exotic life, and she has the supportive mother who has ALWAYS supported her in a way that Carole never has.

I think that Kate loved the fact that Megs was getting the attention and the criticism and took the heat off her.  Meanwhile, she and William appear to be more at ease and comfortable with each other and their roles.  Doria was gone from Meggles' life for several years which is when she lived with her father.  Some say she was in prison at the time.  I don't see Doria as supportive as much as tolerant.  Well, you have to be with a narcissist.  You have to let them do what they want or they will make life he** for you.  Megs has designer clothing that never fits her and are really quite ugly.  So, I don't see anything from Megs' life that anyone should be jealous of. 


Title: Re: Kate & Meghan Relationship Thread
Post by: lesken on December 03, 2018, 02:42:57 pm
@SAndy Never say never. I never thought someone like Murks would be accepted into the BRF. I never thought a person like Trump could be President, heck I never thought Obama could be President at first. Never say never it will surely happen.


Title: Re: Kate & Meghan Relationship Thread
Post by: sandy on December 03, 2018, 04:32:40 pm
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I think deep down, both Kate and Meg are going to end up tearing each other down. Neither are going to live in a dynamic where they will just get on with things, they will inevitably go after each other and proceed to crash and burn. I think Kate is temperamentally unable to handle any kind of relationship with other women and Meg is too unwilling to play along, pretending that Kate is some kind of social and professional superior.

I don't think Kate is a warm, fuzzy person; however, she gets on with her sister and mother and Sophie and Anne and Autumn Phillips.   Meggles gets on with no one.  Not her family, including her daddy; not her co-workers; not friends.  They all come and go.  Jessica Mulroney has been dropped most recently.  Both her ex-husband and the man she was living with when she started sleeping with Harry have remarried/moved on happily with their lives.  Meggles is a narcissist.  They get along with no one -- male or female. Nor do they believe that anyone -- including the Queen of England -- is more superior to them in any way.

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Something is up. I think Kate has possessive issues surrounding Harry, dislikes no longer being the only woman in the set and she is disliking that Meg is getting all the press attention and good designers stuff while she is stuck reusing old things she would prefer to just discard. I also do believe that Kate is stifling in her role of being so down to earth that she wears only non-couture clothing. I can also think that she has issues handling the fact that her mother isn't the support she needs her to be. Meanwhile, Meg has the designer stuff, the more exotic life, and she has the supportive mother who has ALWAYS supported her in a way that Carole never has.

I think that Kate loved the fact that Megs was getting the attention and the criticism and took the heat off her.  Meanwhile, she and William appear to be more at ease and comfortable with each other and their roles.  Doria was gone from Meggles' life for several years which is when she lived with her father.  Some say she was in prison at the time.  I don't see Doria as supportive as much as tolerant.  Well, you have to be with a narcissist.  You have to let them do what they want or they will make life he** for you.  Megs has designer clothing that never fits her and are really quite ugly.  So, I don't see anything from Megs' life that anyone should be jealous of. 

I read some articles and books about Kate from acquaintances and she does not come off as Ms. Charm. Her biographers write of the "death stares" she gave other women speaking to William. The story I found most sickening is that some woman was talking to William and Kate rushed over (this before they were even a couple) and said she was William's girlfriend and the other woman took off. William mouthed Thank you to Kate for "protecting him." I think she has personality issues and I think she and Meghan were bound to clash.

I hope there is damage control (which there seems to be) and the Daily barrage of reports stops from the DM. Now Fergie and Carole might be in the spotlight this week or so it seems.

I think Kate and MEghan are high maintenance and think they are low maintenance.


Title: Re: Kate & Meghan Relationship Thread
Post by: HRHOlya on December 03, 2018, 04:59:15 pm
That doesn’t make it ok and certainly not from such a newbie.  She’s been in the BRF for about 15 minutes by comparison.

Exactly. I expect that anyone who has staff and or colleagues will have yelled before, but for someone to have this reputation and they've just entered the scene is very bad form and very telling. There is simply no excuse for Murky's bad behaviour.


Title: Re: Kate & Meghan Relationship Thread
Post by: sandy on December 03, 2018, 05:22:38 pm
It is still based on "unnamed" sources. It is assumed she did this based on that. I have followed the royals for years and I could write an encyclopedia of "bad behavior" from the entire bunch of them, but these were confirmed and photographed or filmed. The DM got a bonanza of click bait though.


Title: Re: Kate & Meghan Relationship Thread
Post by: Cali San D on December 03, 2018, 05:29:17 pm
You have to wonder what could the staff be doing or saying to Meg that would make her yell at them? Did they suggest more tailored clothing and more British labels for her to wear?  :laugh: Stop clinging onto Harry for dear life?  :laugh:

I'm not really believing this behavior from Megs now that she is in the BRF, maybe before as an actress. There's too many royals who would treat her badly if they knew she was being difficult to the Queen or Charles. And if she got mouthy with the Queen while trying on tiaras and Harry was there, no way should he have allowed that.

I don't think the staff would be that bold to say anything, maybe only the "little grey men", but I doubt Amy Pickerill or Jason would say anything. Jason is still working for them, right? I imagine he is because he just does what they say and doesn't ask questions, just write me a check.  :tehe:


Title: Re: Kate & Meghan Relationship Thread
Post by: sandy on December 03, 2018, 05:35:58 pm
I don't think she mouthed off to the Queen.  It is assumed based on Unnamed source that she "yelled."


Title: Re: Kate & Meghan Relationship Thread
Post by: Miss Hathaway on December 03, 2018, 05:44:37 pm
^ She was not in the presence of the Queen.  One of the Queen's staff was dealing with the tiara issue and the temper tantrums of the Bridezilla.   The Queen, however, is told everything, and she sent the message to Harry that she would chose the tiara and not the divorcee. 


Title: Re: Kate & Meghan Relationship Thread
Post by: Cali San D on December 03, 2018, 05:54:05 pm
Was the Queen there while Meg was trying on tiaras?

https://people.com/royals/meghan-markle-prince-harry-helped-choose-wedding-tiara/

“Harry and I had gone to Buckingham Palace to meet with Her Majesty The Queen to select one of the options that were there, which was an incredibly surreal day as you can imagine,” Meghan shares in a personal recording for a new exhibition opening on Friday at Windsor Castle.

Maybe they met with the Queen briefly before going into another room to try on tiaras so the Queen wasn't technically in the same room? So Meg mouthed off to the Queen's staff, makes sense.


Title: Re: Kate & Meghan Relationship Thread
Post by: Miss Hathaway on December 03, 2018, 06:33:47 pm
^ It is possible that after the tantrum over the emerald tiara, that the Queen invited Harry and Meggles for a short visit with two or three of the tiaras she was willing to let Meggles wear.  Just the Queen's way of saying:  Pick one and shut yer pie hole, chicky."   :tehe:


Title: Re: Kate & Meghan Relationship Thread
Post by: Alexandrine on December 03, 2018, 06:54:27 pm
I cannot beleive she asked for the vladimie that is a a story too amazing for it to be real.


Title: Re: Kate & Meghan Relationship Thread
Post by: Joanna on December 03, 2018, 06:59:26 pm
^Right? :- :- I'm trying to picture her in that tiara and noooope, not happening. :thumbsdown: bignono


Title: Re: Kate & Meghan Relationship Thread
Post by: Alexandrine on December 03, 2018, 08:18:06 pm
But even the action of asking is incredible to me. I think it was Beatrice tiara.


Title: Re: Kate & Meghan Relationship Thread
Post by: Miss Hathaway on December 03, 2018, 08:50:18 pm
^But, again, the woman is a narcissist.  They have entitlement out the whazoo!   I absolutely believe she had the nerve to ask.


Title: Re: Kate & Meghan Relationship Thread
Post by: Fly on the wall on December 08, 2018, 02:15:26 am
Meghan Markle and Kate Middleton's body language 'revealed rifts' when asked about rows in February…  and Harry admitted they come ‘thick and fast’
RUMOURS of a growing rift between Meghan Markle and Kate Middleton surfaced recently - but do the tensions go back to the start of the year?

It was recently claimed the pair had an explosive row before Meghan's wedding after she was rude to one of Kate's staff and that the Duchess of Sussex left her sister-in-law in tears over her demands for Princess Charlotte’s bridesmaid dress.
https://www.thesun.co.uk/fabulous/7912642/meghan-markle-kate-middleton-squirmed-rows-february/


Title: Re: Kate & Meghan Relationship Thread
Post by: sandy on December 08, 2018, 01:43:27 pm
I don't get the story about Charlotte. She wore the same "Victorian child" look she always did at the Harry-Meghan wedding. Kate dresses her in that fashion to begin with.

This is getting tiresome.


Title: Re: Kate & Meghan Relationship Thread
Post by: lesken on December 08, 2018, 04:14:40 pm
These girls are lucky and can handle themselves around each other if need be. My guess is that they will be more separate as families. Happens. Pippa is far more the type to be Murk's friend. Kate is just very different to her in character and temperament.


Title: Re: Kate & Meghan Relationship Thread
Post by: Kuei Fei on December 08, 2018, 05:21:18 pm
I think there should be a discouragement of the expectation that every royal consort is required to be best buddies with each other. It's kind of a shame that Diana also set that expectation as well and I do think people should just accept that they're different and have next to nothing in common. As for mistreating staff, dozens have left Kate's employ since the time she got her ring on her claw of a finger. It won't work since WK will always use PR as a weapon against Harry and Meghan.


Title: Re: Kate & Meghan Relationship Thread
Post by: sandy on December 08, 2018, 09:32:19 pm
This has been going on since time immemorial. The wives of the sons of George V were not buddy buddy. Princess Marina, the only royal in her own right to marry in looked down on the Elizabeth and Alice, wives of George VI and Prince Henry. I agree KF there should be no expectation of sisters in laws to be buddy buddy.

http://www.royalfoibles.com/the-cousin-who-betrayed-the-queen/


Title: Re: Kate & Meghan Relationship Thread
Post by: Snowpea on December 09, 2018, 10:42:05 pm
Marina was a colossal snob.

 :tehe: One good thing out of this whole mess is that neither one of these gals has anything up on the other. They both come from the same low, social-climbing place.


Title: Re: Kate & Meghan Relationship Thread
Post by: Alexandrine on December 09, 2018, 10:44:55 pm
It was the same for Queen Alexandra. Her sil was a russian archduchess who alo was a total snob. Then she ended up having a bad relation eith her husband and wanted to go back to Russia... yes history repeats itself many times.


Title: Re: Kate & Meghan Relationship Thread
Post by: Snowpea on December 09, 2018, 11:10:35 pm
 :flower: True, true.

The relationship between Wasty Kate and MeAgain just doesn't seem either important or epic, in comparison.  :laugh:


Title: Re: Kate & Meghan Relationship Thread
Post by: sandy on December 09, 2018, 11:17:08 pm
Both women were born commoners.


Title: Re: Kate & Meghan Relationship Thread
Post by: Alexandrine on December 09, 2018, 11:18:03 pm
I simply dont remember the name of that archduchess. But her father just gave her a huge dowry. And thought that Queen Alexandra as princess lf denmark was a no one. And she wanted to have precedence even over her. If I remember right Queen Victoria let her have precedence over everyone except Q. Alexandra....

Compared to it Kate and Meghan are a bit more boring.


Title: Re: Kate & Meghan Relationship Thread
Post by: SouthernBelle on December 10, 2018, 12:03:34 am
Yelling at staff is so common and tacky!  No class. 


Title: Re: Kate & Meghan Relationship Thread
Post by: HennyPenny on December 10, 2018, 12:04:57 am


^ Meghan wouldn't be the  first member of the BRF to yell at the  staff...


Title: Re: Kate & Meghan Relationship Thread
Post by: YooperModerator on December 10, 2018, 12:27:26 am
^Im sure that’s sadly true.  She’s just a little too new to be throwing her weight around to anybody.  Ever.  Complaining rights takes years.


Title: Re: Kate & Meghan Relationship Thread
Post by: meememe on December 10, 2018, 04:15:54 am
It was the same for Queen Alexandra. Her sil was a russian archduchess who alo was a total snob. Then she ended up having a bad relation eith her husband and wanted to go back to Russia... yes history repeats itself many times.

The Russian archduchess was Marie Alexandovna - only surviving daughter of Alexander II. Interestingly she had two Danish sisters-in-law as her brother, Alexander, married Alexandra's sister, Dagmar so she would have had to curtsey to two Danish Princesses in time - one as Queen of the UK and the other as Empress of Russia while she remained a mere Archduchess of Russia and Duchess of Edinburgh and Duchess of Saxe-Coburg-Gotha.

She did demand precedence over Alexandra and Queen Victoria - rightly - put her in her place. She was then very happy when her husband inherited Saxe-Coburg-Gotha so she wasn't around her sister-in-law all that much. Of course, in time, Queen Victoria's eldest daughter automatically took precedence over Marie as well - when she become Empress of Germany.

I am sorry if this is too far 'off topic'.

Sisters-in-law don't have to get along. What is sad is when as a result of the marriages the siblings themselves fall out. Whether that is the case with William and Harry we will probably never really know and where the issue really is - IF there actually is an issue at all or just two 'boys' becoming men and setting up their own homes for the future meaning they aren't in each others pockets anymore.


Title: Re: Kate & Meghan Relationship Thread
Post by: Miss Hathaway on December 10, 2018, 12:30:42 pm
William and Harry will mend their relationship one Meggles is booted out. 


Title: Re: Kate & Meghan Relationship Thread
Post by: sandy on December 10, 2018, 02:10:10 pm
I don't believe they are having a rift. I don't take DM as gospel, they want click bait. And Will and/or Harry do not want to give them more attention and keep quiet and don't react to it.

I doubt Meghan and Harry will divorce. And William can't get all "prissy" about his brother considering...IMO anyway

I see no reason why Meghan should be "booted out." I say give her time to learn. It would make the RF look like a bunch of vengeful twits IMO if they decide to "return" Meghan like she's a commodity.


Title: Re: Kate & Meghan Relationship Thread
Post by: Miss Hathaway on December 10, 2018, 02:15:24 pm
^ The Wheels Are In Motion, Sandy.  Make yourself a strong cuppa tea with a splash of whiskey and brace yourself for the inevitable!!     :loveshower:


Title: Re: Kate & Meghan Relationship Thread
Post by: sandy on December 10, 2018, 02:18:28 pm
I disagree. I remember how so many were positive: 1) Harry stopped seeing her when they were dating--it was over: 2) there was a "secret" weapon to stop the wedding. These did not happen.

They would all look like darn fools if they "expelled" Meghan after a few months of marriage. IMO anway.


Title: Re: Kate & Meghan Relationship Thread
Post by: AnaBolena on December 10, 2018, 02:51:49 pm
^ The Wheels Are In Motion, Sandy.  Make yourself a strong cuppa tea with a splash of whiskey and brace yourself for the inevitable!!     :loveshower:

All we need is the popcorn and to watch the ride.   :cookie:


Title: Re: Kate & Meghan Relationship Thread
Post by: sandy on December 10, 2018, 03:03:58 pm
I don't think it will happen. I also think she should be given a chance. The ones who want her out on the threads never liked her in the first place and she can do nothing right in their eyes.


Title: Re: Kate & Meghan Relationship Thread
Post by: Kuei Fei on December 10, 2018, 03:16:57 pm
Sandy, I think you're right in that area. Meg is working, doing more than Kate did the first year of her marriage, and I daresay she's proving to be a team player. As for Kate, I think Kate should be ashamed that she has higher rank, but isn't pulling her weight as she should. Meg at the least is making something of her role (however asinine) and she has been forced to adjust to an entirely different way of life. I also suspect that there has been a lot of condescension towards her as well.

It was the same for Queen Alexandra. Her sil was a russian archduchess who alo was a total snob. Then she ended up having a bad relation eith her husband and wanted to go back to Russia... yes history repeats itself many times.
The Russian archduchess was Marie Alexandovna - only surviving daughter of Alexander II. Interestingly she had two Danish sisters-in-law as her brother, Alexander, married Alexandra's sister, Dagmar so she would have had to curtsey to two Danish Princesses in time - one as Queen of the UK and the other as Empress of Russia while she remained a mere Archduchess of Russia and Duchess of Edinburgh and Duchess of Saxe-Coburg-Gotha.

Marie was a Russian GRAND Duchess, not an Archduchess (Austrian title, not a Russian one).

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She did demand precedence over Alexandra and Queen Victoria - rightly - put her in her place. She was then very happy when her husband inherited Saxe-Coburg-Gotha so she wasn't around her sister-in-law all that much. Of course, in time, Queen Victoria's eldest daughter automatically took precedence over Marie as well - when she become Empress of Germany.

That WAS out of line and I do believe Marie definitely deserved to be put in her place. I do believe that Marie was out of line in thinking that she should have precedence over the Princess of Wales who was the future Queen Consort. Marie (like a lot of her relatives) had too far grand of a view of herself and deserved to be reminded that in Britain, she was not as far ahead in the succession as her ego would have her think.

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Sisters-in-law don't have to get along. What is sad is when as a result of the marriages the siblings themselves fall out. Whether that is the case with William and Harry we will probably never really know and where the issue really is - IF there actually is an issue at all or just two 'boys' becoming men and setting up their own homes for the future meaning they aren't in each others pockets anymore.

I do think that some kind of setup should be created and reinforced; usually, royals would marry foreigners and just move on in life, but this recent development is unusual in that royals are marrying commoners and staying in their native country, but still demanding to live a grand lifestyle and sometimes the commoners come with grand tastes of their own and it is creating a huge burden on the taxpayers and creating a huge amount of resentment.


Title: Re: Kate & Meghan Relationship Thread
Post by: Miss Hathaway on December 10, 2018, 04:25:05 pm
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Sandy, I think you're right in that area. Meg is working, doing more than Kate did the first year of her marriage

Chicken Legs is not working.  She's looking for her camera time.  She shows up looking dirty, messy, unkempt, in ill-fitting clothing and an ungroomed wig, with her false eyelash glue visible in globs on her eyelids, walking in front of her royal husband, turning her back on the Queen, etc.   

Kate went on tour her first year, as well.  So, equal number of work for them both.  She also appeared at other royal functions and always appeared well groomed and as if she had bathed that morning.  She was never asked to leave a function by Prince Charles.  She knew her place according to protocol.   Etc.

I love that the Queen has sidelined Chicken Legs and deprived her of camera time.   


Title: Re: Kate & Meghan Relationship Thread
Post by: sandy on December 10, 2018, 04:28:42 pm
I have seen all royals gawking at cameras.

I agree she can do better with her dress and hair. More tailored outfits and a good trim of her hair.

Meghan is doing appearances. People legs is out there on appearances and not sailing on excuses.

Kate disappeared after the tours the first year. I remember comments about how she was "researching" her charities first then all the excuses about why she worked were put out there. She was a big disappointment to me. Even though she promised to work hard.

The Queen did not sideline People LEgs Meghan and never said so. It would be announced.

The Queen would be a darn fool to prevent royals from working IMO. I think she knows better than that.


Title: Re: Kate & Meghan Relationship Thread
Post by: YooperModerator on December 10, 2018, 04:57:27 pm
If she’s working so darn hard, where is she?  It’ll be pregnancy then time with baby/getting new house ready then vacation time.  It’s the same old crap over again.  I’ve already laughed at the BRF standard line “keen to work”.


Title: Re: Kate & Meghan Relationship Thread
Post by: Miss Hathaway on December 10, 2018, 05:24:26 pm
^ She sprained her ankle when she hit the ground running, Yooper!     :bouncy:

Well, there's the Christmas Walk to look forward to!  That should be good for some giggles!!


Title: Re: Kate & Meghan Relationship Thread
Post by: sandy on December 10, 2018, 05:35:15 pm
IMO she still did better than Kate who hid out after the tour doing "research." I think she did show up at some art gallery the Fall after her wedding. But she was off sailing on excuses.


Title: Re: Kate & Meghan Relationship Thread
Post by: YooperModerator on December 10, 2018, 05:49:05 pm
^Kate was a lot younger and never, ever, ever sold herself as a mover and shaker, ready to take the job by the reins and dazzle everybody to blindness by her amazingness.  With Kate, we got exactly what she sold herself as.


Title: Re: Kate & Meghan Relationship Thread
Post by: sandy on December 10, 2018, 06:29:57 pm
Kate was not a 20 year old she was close to thirty. And she had spent several years dating William and going to royal events. Kate did promise to "work hard
 but did not live up to that promise


Title: Re: Kate & Meghan Relationship Thread
Post by: Miss Hathaway on December 10, 2018, 06:56:06 pm
^ And Meggles is closer to 40 -- if not already 40.

I'm not sure Kate actually ever said she was going to work hard.  I think it was more "support her husband".   In any event, Kate is quite well received these days. 

Meggles, on the other hand, was going to be a superstar and shake up the monarchy and hit the ground running and be the best royal evah!!!      :bouncy: lol :laugh: :loveshower:


Title: Re: Kate & Meghan Relationship Thread
Post by: sandy on December 10, 2018, 08:23:25 pm
SHe's 37. Kate looks old for her age.


Title: Re: Kate & Meghan Relationship Thread
Post by: CathyJane on December 10, 2018, 09:04:36 pm
^ She sprained her ankle when she hit the ground running, Yooper!     :bouncy:

Well, there's the Christmas Walk to look forward to!  That should be good for some giggles!!

Oh I forgot about that! That will be a fun watch!


Title: Re: Kate & Meghan Relationship Thread
Post by: meememe on December 10, 2018, 09:35:34 pm
When Kate married William he was still a serving officer in the RAF and as such a part-time royal doing around 50 engagements a year. She therefore did about the same as he did.

When Meghan married Harry he had already quit the army and was supposed to be a full-time royal doing around 200 engagements a year so it is no surprise that Meghan has done over 100 in the months since May.

Next year, unless Kate does go for a fourth child, should see her up her numbers considerably while I expect Meghan's to be about the same as this year due to becoming a mother. Unless Meghan has twins and thus a 'family' in one go I would expect her to try for a second child in late 2020 - about 18 months between babies and if they go for a third another 18 or so months so a third in mid 2022. Kate, being younger was able to spread them out a bit more compared to what I expect from Meghan. As a result I don't expect Meghan to be topping 200 engagements until around 2023/2024 and then I expect her to sit around the 250 mark until she reaches her 70s and then slow down (I won't be around to see it given my age but ...) as that is what Sophie does and she is the wife of the younger son of the current monarch.

I do expect Kate to up her numbers to around 300 in 2020 and to stick around that figure or even go to 400 - certainly as Queen she should be around that figure as that was what the late Queen Mum was doing in the 50s and 60s (and yes I am aware that Kate will be Queen Consort but they do NOT use that title - only Queen ... The Queen Mum was 'Queen Elizabeth' or 'The Queen' from 1936 to 1952 never Queen Consort Elizabeth. The only person in Britain to ever had the title 'Consort' in their title was Albert and even then it was only the last four years of his life and Philip has never had it.


Title: Re: Kate & Meghan Relationship Thread
Post by: Miss Hathaway on December 10, 2018, 10:37:14 pm
Megs' numbers are going to zero very soon because she's on her way out!    :loveshower:


Title: Re: Kate & Meghan Relationship Thread
Post by: sandy on December 11, 2018, 12:22:59 am
No evidence of that. Some were "positive" on the DM that no wedding would happen and it did.


Title: Re: Kate & Meghan Relationship Thread
Post by: Rosella on December 11, 2018, 01:30:25 am
Robert Jobson remarked in Chris Ship's ITV show about the royals a couple of weeks ago that Meghan will be announcing her patronages in the New Year, so that should be all set.

There's no evidence at all that I can see that Meghan will be leaving the UK (she said at the Award Show yesterday that Britain is her new home) nor that she will be leaving the BRF. Many royals tie everything up with their charities etc at the end of the year by attending private receptions and meetings, and that's what she and Harry have been doing.

As for Meghan's attendance at the Award Show appearance being a surprise, that's how the Queen's appearance at British Fashion Week (where she presented an award was described in the media a few months ago. In reality it's never a surprise when royalty attend shows in a public capacity. The hosts always know, because of security considerations.


Title: Re: Kate & Meghan Relationship Thread
Post by: Byechoc on December 11, 2018, 10:50:40 pm
They will never allow her to leave Britain so soon!!! But with her family indiscretion and other steps I see her leaving... when she is not at the center of stage, but more when George, Charlotte and Louis start to take all the attention! And this when she arrives to this time!!! Before that Queen Elizabeth will die, and we never know if Charles will be alive.... but The other duo will have more attention and the public perception of them  will change

She will be like Sophie but in a bad way....


Title: Re: Kate & Meghan Relationship Thread
Post by: sandy on December 12, 2018, 12:21:44 am
Louis will probably have fewer duties than the elder two and perhaps will join the military but this is all a long way off. George will be heir  and Charlotte will be the first Princess born to a royal heir since Princess Anne.

Meghan is not her family. Like Kate is not Uncle Gary.

It will be a while before the children take up duties.


Title: Re: Kate & Meghan Relationship Thread
Post by: LadyVi on December 22, 2018, 10:48:49 pm
It’s official! Meghan and Kate WON’T be staying together at Christmas! The Duke and Duchess of Sussex will be stuffed in like sardines at Sandringham while William and his wife enjoy luxury Georgian pad two miles down the road

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-6523457/Meghan-Kate-WONT-staying-Christmas.html (https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-6523457/Meghan-Kate-WONT-staying-Christmas.html)

Some quotes:

'Last Christmas it was felt that allowing Harry and Meghan, then unmarried, to spend the night at [Sandringham] the main house would be inappropriate.'

'After last year's service, Meghan clung to Harry's arm, walking among the crowds alongside William and Kate, cementing her place in the so-called 'Fab Four'

'The message from senior courtiers is to expect the same united front this year, not to mention some carefully chosen outfits. '

'With every scrap of body language likely to be scrutinised, neither duchess is likely to betray any hint of friction.'


Title: Re: Kate & Meghan Relationship Thread
Post by: Kuei Fei on December 23, 2018, 01:02:32 am
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'Last Christmas it was felt that allowing Harry and Meghan, then unmarried, to spend the night at [Sandringham] the main house would be inappropriate.'

LOL; as if either had any kind of reputation for purity or virtue left to protect.

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William and his wife enjoy luxury Georgian pad two miles down the road

Tell me why they can't just enjoy living at Sandringham? They are after all members of the BRF.


Title: Re: Kate & Meghan Relationship Thread
Post by: Alexandrine on December 23, 2018, 10:29:56 am
Will was smart to get a house next to S. Harry should have done the same if he didint want to be sardine.


Title: Re: Kate & Meghan Relationship Thread
Post by: sandy on December 23, 2018, 02:36:51 pm
It’s official! Meghan and Kate WON’T be staying together at Christmas! The Duke and Duchess of Sussex will be stuffed in like sardines at Sandringham while William and his wife enjoy luxury Georgian pad two miles down the road

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-6523457/Meghan-Kate-WONT-staying-Christmas.html (https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-6523457/Meghan-Kate-WONT-staying-Christmas.html)

Some quotes:

'Last Christmas it was felt that allowing Harry and Meghan, then unmarried, to spend the night at [Sandringham] the main house would be inappropriate.'

'After last year's service, Meghan clung to Harry's arm, walking among the crowds alongside William and Kate, cementing her place in the so-called 'Fab Four'

'The message from senior courtiers is to expect the same united front this year, not to mention some carefully chosen outfits. '

'With every scrap of body language likely to be scrutinised, neither duchess is likely to betray any hint of friction.'

As if royals would ever be crowded in like sardines


Title: Re: Kate & Meghan Relationship Thread
Post by: Kuei Fei on December 23, 2018, 02:39:56 pm
I'm fed up with this BS that just because they don't get large apartments while at Sandringham, that they're packed in like people in a tenement. They are not at all deprived or suffering or at some kind of a risk for being stifled.


Title: Re: Kate & Meghan Relationship Thread
Post by: meememe on December 23, 2018, 10:44:27 pm
Will was smart to get a house next to S. Harry should have done the same if he didint want to be sardine.

William's house isn't 'next to S' but on the Sandringham estate. In time William will own the Sandringham estate including all of the different houses on the estate - York, Wood, Anmer etc. The Queen simply gave him one of the homes he will eventually own early rather than have to find him somewhere else.

Harry is the younger son and won't inherit anywhere near as much as William as anything William inherits, on becoming King, from the previous monarch is free from death duties whereas anything Harry inherits is subject to death duties. That is why the Queen helps out her cousins as their fathers were left as much as her father (at the time of the abdication the government allowed the transfer from Edward VIII to George VI to be free of taxes etc).

Harry will have to buy his own property if he wants to have one other than what has already been agreed whereas William, as the future King will always be provided with good sized homes. The difference between the heir and the spare.


Title: Re: Kate & Meghan Relationship Thread
Post by: sandy on December 23, 2018, 10:51:23 pm
Harry won't exactly have to go on welfare. Even the youngest of the Queen's children Edward is not exactly poverty stricken. Harry can afford those "good sized" homes.


Title: Re: Kate & Meghan Relationship Thread
Post by: Kuei Fei on December 23, 2018, 11:20:53 pm
I admit I get fed up when I hear things like how Harry won't have it as good as William. He will have millions coming in one way or another, of that I am sure.


Title: Re: Kate & Meghan Relationship Thread
Post by: Alexandrine on December 23, 2018, 11:43:30 pm
@meememe maybe I was tired reading in celebitchy that Meghan deserved a room (the house?) In Anmer because why should she suffer like a sardine in sandringham? And do not forget she is a pregnant woman!

I am not sure on the details of that estate but if Harry wanted a similar deal as Will (wife family close at christmas) I am sure they could have done something. As it is he will have to suffer like a "a sardine" in a room that is probably grander than all the houses I have lived in my life. Poor Megs  :bored:


Title: Re: Kate & Meghan Relationship Thread
Post by: sandy on December 24, 2018, 10:30:02 pm
The writer who talked about their being like "sardines" must be totally deluded. Or sarcastic. I hope the latter.


Title: Re: Kate & Meghan Relationship Thread
Post by: Kuei Fei on December 24, 2018, 11:21:30 pm
I wonder why the press goes along with this when they know of the absurdity that the idea that the BRF is somehow too unable to live together and handle being packed in. As if HM only has a three bedroom house in a small town.


Title: Re: Kate & Meghan Relationship Thread
Post by: sandy on December 24, 2018, 11:32:43 pm
It makes it sound that they have to use inflatable mattresses and sleep on the floor. And Junior has to sleep on the couch so Aunt May can use the bed upstairs. Total absurd writing.


Title: Re: Kate & Meghan Relationship Thread
Post by: YooperModerator on December 25, 2018, 12:36:38 am
I dunno anything about the lodgings at Sandringham.  Never been there.  But, I have read horror stories about the place not being quite as luxurious as some are used to.  It's kind of a test of HM's isn't it to see who can be more rough and outdoorsy?  And then the incessant bagpipes?  Or is that somewhere else.

Anyway, and to stay on topic, is Kate staying there or not?  I've lost track.  I think she and family are going back to Anmer and Sparkles and Harry stay with the Queen and group.  If so, would love to be a fly on that wall.


Title: Re: Kate & Meghan Relationship Thread
Post by: HRHOlya on December 25, 2018, 12:44:21 am
^ Anmer is right there on the estate, the Cambs country place is basically Sandringham (just not the main house).
The bagpipes are at Balmoral I think.

There might not be space at Anmer if the Midds and Pip with family come, though they could also come over on boxing day.


Title: Re: Kate & Meghan Relationship Thread
Post by: HRHOlya on December 26, 2018, 04:34:01 pm
For comparison, K's 1st year
https://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2012/06/26/article-0-13CD1ECC000005DC-795_964x1527.jpg
https://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2012/06/26/article-0-13CD1FB3000005DC-998_472x502.jpg

She came in at around 105,806.95
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/femail/article-2165211/Kate-Middletons-105k-wardrobe-Duchess-Cambridge-worth-penny-says-LIZ-JONES.html

Now.... At what number does Murky come on again? And she's been in for only half a year so far.


Title: Re: Kate & Meghan Relationship Thread
Post by: sandy on December 26, 2018, 05:15:43 pm
Kate supposedly given a 2 year "grace period" where she did not have to work much. Plus there were numerous stories of her not appearing because she was "selecting her charities." MEghan worked right away and no "grace period" was given to her. Kate's numbers have been consistently low even before her first pregnancy.


Title: Re: Kate & Meghan Relationship Thread
Post by: HRHOlya on December 26, 2018, 06:02:24 pm
^ Not sure what that has to do with anything. Waity famously wore lots of high street and Murky's been decked all out in couture. Murky has barely worked as well since marrying in. And she's racked up a greater bill than anyone else in these few short months.

None of this changes the numbers, which speak for themselves.

Can't believe that Waity comes out as the smart one.


Title: Re: Kate & Meghan Relationship Thread
Post by: sandy on December 26, 2018, 06:13:33 pm
Waity is not smart. She has a very shrewd mother.

I notice the money spent on Kate's Christmas couture is not revealed.

Someone did give the approval to MEghan to spend the money on clothes. She had to have permission to get the money. Question is why was she given (allegedly) more funds?

Meghan worked more than Kate and did not disappear after the first tour. Kate was more invisible.

No matter how Meghan is perceived, I don't think Kate is all that. Or anything to brag about.



Title: Re: Kate & Meghan Relationship Thread
Post by: HRHOlya on December 26, 2018, 06:38:15 pm
I won't partake anymore in the type of dicussion wherein all negative about Murky is all lies but so true when it's the Midds (or at least I'll try to avoid these type of discussions). I can't particularly stand either and I have always praised both parties and criticized both parties and taken stories as true or not depending on precedents & behaviour.

I am still not a fan of Kate (as I don't forget for one!), but what she's done right, she's done right.

No, the cost of K's Xmas outfit has not been disclosed or speculated on (unless I missed it), but she has very similary coats already so we know an approximate cost, and K's outfit will come out quite a bit cheaper than Murky's this year.

Yes, Waity has a shrewd mother behind her and likely the palace stepped in to get her out of the public eye, as her dumb blumberings caused embarrassment. Longterm it was a good strategy.

What Murky spent on clothes we don't know as we assume merching and loans. Same with Waity, the Cambs have been busted to take freebies 1. directly and 2. via having them sent to the Midds. Murky works also via Jess Sluglips. In any case, Chuck will not have funded such a wardrobe. Hazbeen was likely dumb enough though.

Murky has not worked more than Kate. Sorry. Murky went all in to get approval for the wedding and once the wedding was done, so was she.


Title: Re: Kate & Meghan Relationship Thread
Post by: sandy on December 26, 2018, 08:24:32 pm
Harry followed protocol and asked his grandmother permission and the wedding was approved. As I recall, Kate disappeared after the 2011 tour with William "researching" her charities. Excuses started going out to the media for her not being seen. Kate was criticized early on for not doing much.

I don't think Kate's laziness was "strategy" it was in her nature to be workshy.


Title: Re: Kate & Meghan Relationship Thread
Post by: livylivy on December 27, 2018, 02:58:10 pm
I agree with you Sandy: Kate is workshy and that' s why she get less clothes and jewellery IMO


Title: Re: Kate & Meghan Relationship Thread
Post by: dianab on December 27, 2018, 03:09:50 pm
kate wore some personal jewels of the queen at state banquets... i thought it was meaningful that the queen allowed or wanted kate wear a tiara at her wedding that just liz herself, her sister margot and daughter anne had wore... i dont remember if QM also wore that tiara... before george, kate and william went to aussie, canadian and asia country tours and she was also seen with the queen at events... to me, kate and meghan are the same as far royal duties goes ... no big difference... meghans wardrobe is a difference imo

^ Not sure what that has to do with anything. Waity famously wore lots of high street and Murky's been decked all out in couture. Murky has barely worked as well since marrying in. And she's racked up a greater bill than anyone else in these few short months.

None of this changes the numbers, which speak for themselves.

Can't believe that Waity comes out as the smart one.
well said  :thumbsup:

I thought meghan was as smart as carole and camilla but she is not at all... her ego rules her mind ... already carole and camilla are more cerebral...


Title: Re: Kate & Meghan Relationship Thread
Post by: Alexandrine on December 27, 2018, 04:08:14 pm
Kate got a bracelet that was a personal present from Phillip to QE. We still havent seen any good jewellry on Meghan to compare imo.

^ yep I agree I thought she had more game and unless we think it was good game to appear in the fashion awards... Lainey has another take on this. She says Meghan had very good game with her wedding and because the wedding was a success without the courtiers help now they are doing leaks.


Title: Re: Kate & Meghan Relationship Thread
Post by: sandy on December 27, 2018, 06:19:27 pm
Kate has been in the family since 2011. Meghan only a few months in the family. She will get more jewelry pieces down the road. IMO.


Title: Re: Kate & Meghan Relationship Thread
Post by: Kuei Fei on December 29, 2018, 03:06:08 am
I wonder why they would dislike one another when they have so much in common; Kate and Meg landed their men via a media campaign and both were living lives that were not really promising before they latched on and neither would be in good situations if they hadn't had that ring. Meg was being removed from her series and wasn't really launching into the level that she might have otherwise been. Kate would have been very publicly humiliated and without any chance at building a respectable career and finding a good man if William had dumped her and the proceeded to date/marry someone else. By this standard, both should be the best of friends and in cahoots.


Title: Re: Kate & Meghan Relationship Thread
Post by: india on December 29, 2018, 04:09:29 pm
The Old Woman Sag Face can't be friends with any woman other than her Slit Eyed Viper Foul Thing of A Mother and Flat Face Leatherette.


Title: Re: Kate & Meghan Relationship Thread
Post by: HRHOlya on January 01, 2019, 04:19:53 pm
Not entirely sure where to put this, anyway:

How Much Is It Worth?!

https://66.media.tumblr.com/706013416d4c0df8248c817c92db7f35/tumblr_pknsi1dz591tmj3v1_500.jpg
https://66.media.tumblr.com/23c3c5a3c132aa38c3aa41a9d17a8704/tumblr_pknsi1P1WY1tmj3v1_500.jpg
https://66.media.tumblr.com/23c3c5a3c132aa38c3aa41a9d17a8704/tumblr_pknsi1P1WY1tmj3v1_500.jpg
https://66.media.tumblr.com/4468d0fa3377f4539cedd3a8def640f5/tumblr_pknsi16WgQ1tmj3v1_500.jpg

http://ufonomore.com/blog/costs-2018

So, Murky managed to outspend queens, crownprincesses and heiresses in 2018. She has also spent more than K ever did. Bravo, what an achievement!


Title: Re: Kate & Meghan Relationship Thread
Post by: Alexandrine on January 01, 2019, 04:24:30 pm
 :o


Title: Re: Kate & Meghan Relationship Thread
Post by: YooperModerator on January 01, 2019, 04:28:26 pm
^I’ll second that.   :o


Title: Re: Kate & Meghan Relationship Thread
Post by: sandy on January 01, 2019, 04:47:45 pm
Not entirely sure where to put this, anyway:

How Much Is It Worth?!

https://66.media.tumblr.com/706013416d4c0df8248c817c92db7f35/tumblr_pknsi1dz591tmj3v1_500.jpg
https://66.media.tumblr.com/23c3c5a3c132aa38c3aa41a9d17a8704/tumblr_pknsi1P1WY1tmj3v1_500.jpg
https://66.media.tumblr.com/23c3c5a3c132aa38c3aa41a9d17a8704/tumblr_pknsi1P1WY1tmj3v1_500.jpg
https://66.media.tumblr.com/4468d0fa3377f4539cedd3a8def640f5/tumblr_pknsi16WgQ1tmj3v1_500.jpg

http://ufonomore.com/blog/costs-2018

So, Murky managed to outspend queens, crownprincesses and heiresses in 2018. She has also spent more than K ever did. Bravo, what an achievement!

Were these amounts actually spent? Sometimes they are available at less cost.
And the burning question, why was this approved by Prince Charles. Meghan could not have spent this without his approval and funding?


Title: Re: Kate & Meghan Relationship Thread
Post by: HRHOlya on January 01, 2019, 05:11:31 pm
Harry isn't without money either. Not everything must go through Charles and Haz is stupid enough. Chuck certainly isn't that generous. Or he's letting her to see how far she'll run with his money and then clamps down in punishment. In any case, her spending has been beyond shocking.


Title: Re: Kate & Meghan Relationship Thread
Post by: Alexandrine on January 01, 2019, 05:14:08 pm
No one can accuse him of treating her badly if things go south. And if she is unpopular because she spends a lot better for him.


Title: Re: Kate & Meghan Relationship Thread
Post by: Wish on January 01, 2019, 06:02:20 pm
Not entirely sure where to put this, anyway:

How Much Is It Worth?!

https://66.media.tumblr.com/706013416d4c0df8248c817c92db7f35/tumblr_pknsi1dz591tmj3v1_500.jpg
https://66.media.tumblr.com/23c3c5a3c132aa38c3aa41a9d17a8704/tumblr_pknsi1P1WY1tmj3v1_500.jpg
https://66.media.tumblr.com/23c3c5a3c132aa38c3aa41a9d17a8704/tumblr_pknsi1P1WY1tmj3v1_500.jpg
https://66.media.tumblr.com/4468d0fa3377f4539cedd3a8def640f5/tumblr_pknsi16WgQ1tmj3v1_500.jpg

http://ufonomore.com/blog/costs-2018


So, Murky managed to outspend queens, crownprincesses and heiresses in 2018. She has also spent more than K ever did. Bravo, what an achievement!

Were these amounts actually spent? Sometimes they are available at less cost.
And the burning question, why was this approved by Prince Charles. Meghan could not have spent this without his approval and funding?

Hi Sandy, I've watched you doggedly put forward Meghan's case and for the most part I tend to agree with most of what you say.   :hi: :hi: :hi:

I "think" Charles probably doesn't give a fig about how much Meghan's clothes are clothes as long as she's wearing them for public engagements.  If the rumours are correct the same curtisy was offered to Kate but, she allegedly took advantage of his genourosity by extending the use of the "black card" to the rest of her family which is probably why she never got the chance to spend as much as Meghan.

I have to admit that I'm a Meghan and Harry fan and not too keen on Kate and William but, I'm really disliking this whole "Kate good" and "Meghan bad" storyline being played out in the press and the majority of forums.  Kate has never had a work ethic and (love her or loathe her) Meghan has at least held down a job on a relatively successful TV series for a number of years.   I think this embarassment to our future Queen Consort is why we're getting so many negative stories about someone who will never be Queen.


Title: Re: Kate & Meghan Relationship Thread
Post by: sandy on January 01, 2019, 06:21:23 pm
Well the way I see it, if Charles is a cheapskate with others (I think he is) why would he give unlimited funds to Meghan? MEghan could not just charge her way to getting these outfits without some approval from Charles.

I agree with you about Kate. The "fall out" from the Meghan criticism is the overfawning over Kate on the DM comments. Kate has not changed and is still one with a low work ethic and she has done little even before the children were born.


Title: Re: Kate & Meghan Relationship Thread
Post by: Kuei Fei on January 01, 2019, 06:32:16 pm
Give it time. I view Kate as the antithesis of Diana's trajectory throughout life and throughout the BRF. For now she's getting kudos, but in time, it'll fade. Meg is the same punching bag that Fergie was and while Kate herself is in clover with the public, that will end. Diana got some bad press and courted the press and got it back. Kate is in clover and getting good press, but she is shunning it in favor of mooching and will start getting negative reviews once the dust settles. Chances are she will in fact be in the doghouse once another issue comes up and she'll struggle to get a new chance.  Kate is not a seasoned worker and it should be clear at this point in time that she does not care about anyone other than herself and her family and maybe sometimes her husband.


Title: Re: Kate & Meghan Relationship Thread
Post by: Wish on January 01, 2019, 06:43:38 pm
[in response to Sandy]

Added to that is the lack of interest in the birth of Louis has meant that "having babies" is no longer enough to get Kate blanket news.  I don't think it's any coincidence that the "Meghan bad" stories cranked up to a whole different level once it was announced that she was pregnant.  

Yet instead of Kate getting off her lazy behind and doing more public appearances, we get these snidey articles in the press about Meghan.  If she was really clever Kate could obliterate Meghan off the scene by championing her "charities" and carrying out more engagements.  What Kate will really need to be mindful of is Harry and Meghan allowing Charles to dote over their child.  If the rumours are true (the royal children spend more time with the Middletons than the Windsors) then these current stories about a rift between the two women will pale into insignificance when pictures are circulated of a doting Charles with his grandchild.


Title: Re: Kate & Meghan Relationship Thread
Post by: Alexandrine on January 01, 2019, 06:48:26 pm
I never bough the idea that Charles didnt let Kate buy expensive clothing but that it was a strategy to sell the idea that she is not very spendthrift. And it did work.

Meghan may enjoying the expensive clothing now but if the economy goes bad.... also it is a good argument  to criticise her. She is not even wearing UK brands. I thought she would wear a mix of cheap UK brands to get good PR. But instead she is making Kate look good. I dont see how this helps Meghan a normal person is not going to think Charles must really like her she is a good princess they are going to think that she is the new marie antoinette.


Title: Re: Kate & Meghan Relationship Thread
Post by: Wish on January 01, 2019, 06:59:52 pm
^^^
Maybe it's just me but, I honestly don't have a problem with how much the royals spend on clothes; afterall they are representing the country.  Where I get annoyed is when they spend all that money and yet still look like they've just picked something off the floor and put it on.  I've yet to see Kate look good in anything and Meghan should get the courtiers to take up the hems of her trousers.  Grrrrrr

I do prefer Meghan's choice in clothing to Kate's but, both women have a long way to go before they come anywhere Queen Letiza for class and elegance (and knowing what suits her).  As you say it would be good if both women wore more British designers but, in fairness to Meghan she is an American so maybe we should allow her some leeway if she prefers to wear US labels. 


Title: Re: Kate & Meghan Relationship Thread
Post by: Kuei Fei on January 01, 2019, 07:01:08 pm
The lack of press interest in the birth of her third son should scare the wits out of Kate, mainly since press coverage is all she has left at this point in time. I'm dead sure she didn't anticipate the lack of interest, but after all the lawsuits, the abuse towards the press, the lack of cooperation, and the nonstop threats have clearly produced the result that the press will just avoid covering her all that much, if only to avoid being abused on a regular basis. Kate is unwilling to face the fact that she has to earn her keep and second, after all those lawsuits, I am dead sure the press will first start cutting her out and then start lashing out once the mood is receptive to her being bashed. Kate has nothing left but positive press coverage and as you said, the press didn't bother to cover the royal birth this one third time around.
I think Kate never faced the facts of life, in where she is. The fact is, she is in a VERY dangerous position just by virtue of the press becoming diffident about her and only covering her as a matter of duty, not enthusiasm. Second, once she loses the goodwill of the press for good, the palace will turn on her in more overt ways. As it is, Charles is clearly not at all funding her obstinacy, he is not funding her 'independent court of Middleton' and it is obvious that he only tolerates her at this point in time. It should be clear that she is very much on the brink of being in a very bad situation and once the press turns, it'll be all over for her.

Meg on the other hand, understands all too well what is expected of her and she does fulfill it; she has done a steady round of appearances and despite her atrociously provocative choice in outfits, it is clear that she understands that work equal perks and leverage and respect. She plays ball with Charles and the royal court and it is clear she knows her place (despite attempts to allegedly change how the royal household works) and it is clear that she is aware of needing the press to like her in order to make her life easier. She is going along to get along and there's nothing wrong with that. There is a contrast and despite Kate's posher veneer, Meg is the one who understands and accepts the role and the rules and the expectations. If she and Harry make Charles sweet by not using the kids as some kind of weapon, I am certain that Meg will get more preferential treatment. I think in fact Meg is getting better treatment because she is playing ball and contributing, plus flattering Charles.


Title: Re: Kate & Meghan Relationship Thread
Post by: india on January 01, 2019, 07:15:29 pm
Meg is smart Sag Face Kate is not.


Title: Re: Kate & Meghan Relationship Thread
Post by: Alexandrine on January 01, 2019, 07:21:38 pm
I am spanish and most of my friends (that have a passing interest on the topic) say Kate is the pinnacle of class. One even got inspired on her for the wedding dress (can you imagine my face? though she looked lovely of course). Meghan hasnt have that hype? Both appear in the press here and the birth of the third son was maybe a bit less publicised than George because he is not the heir.

I believe part of their minimum role is showcasing UK fashion. Their phots can make a new designer survive. If their clothes are paid by the Uk taxpayer this attention should go to uk designer or even commonwealth countries. If she likes other designer she could use it in her private life.

This behaviour is only oppening her to future attacks. This is not having game at all.

And Letizia here is not thought to be so well dressed maybe because we remember when she only wore miniskirts... though she is looking better since she is queen. But she has also been criticised for spending too much and having too many clothes she hasnt repeated ever. Without taking into account the articles about her plastic suegeries  :tehe:

So agree to disagree  :hi:


Title: Re: Kate & Meghan Relationship Thread
Post by: dianab on January 01, 2019, 07:49:22 pm
Meg is smart Sag Face Kate is not.
Meghan spending is very much un-smart...


Title: Re: Kate & Meghan Relationship Thread
Post by: Miss Hathaway on January 01, 2019, 08:21:13 pm
Not entirely sure where to put this, anyway:

How Much Is It Worth?!

https://66.media.tumblr.com/706013416d4c0df8248c817c92db7f35/tumblr_pknsi1dz591tmj3v1_500.jpg
https://66.media.tumblr.com/23c3c5a3c132aa38c3aa41a9d17a8704/tumblr_pknsi1P1WY1tmj3v1_500.jpg
https://66.media.tumblr.com/23c3c5a3c132aa38c3aa41a9d17a8704/tumblr_pknsi1P1WY1tmj3v1_500.jpg
https://66.media.tumblr.com/4468d0fa3377f4539cedd3a8def640f5/tumblr_pknsi16WgQ1tmj3v1_500.jpg

http://ufonomore.com/blog/costs-2018

So, Murky managed to outspend queens, crownprincesses and heiresses in 2018. She has also spent more than K ever did. Bravo, what an achievement!

And she looks so bad!   Unhygenic, ill-fitting clothing, unbrushed wigs . . . if she has so much money at her disposal, she should use it on a ladies' maid who will make her presentable, at least.  Maybe Sophie will loan out her cook to her!    :James:


Title: Re: Kate & Meghan Relationship Thread
Post by: SouthernBelle on January 01, 2019, 08:43:07 pm
Sparkles always looks sloppy.  You’re right, Miss Hathaway — she needs a top-notch ladies maid! 


Title: Re: Kate & Meghan Relationship Thread
Post by: sandy on January 01, 2019, 10:03:40 pm
The lack of press interest in the birth of her third son should scare the wits out of Kate, mainly since press coverage is all she has left at this point in time. I'm dead sure she didn't anticipate the lack of interest, but after all the lawsuits, the abuse towards the press, the lack of cooperation, and the nonstop threats have clearly produced the result that the press will just avoid covering her all that much, if only to avoid being abused on a regular basis. Kate is unwilling to face the fact that she has to earn her keep and second, after all those lawsuits, I am dead sure the press will first start cutting her out and then start lashing out once the mood is receptive to her being bashed. Kate has nothing left but positive press coverage and as you said, the press didn't bother to cover the royal birth this one third time around.
I think Kate never faced the facts of life, in where she is. The fact is, she is in a VERY dangerous position just by virtue of the press becoming diffident about her and only covering her as a matter of duty, not enthusiasm. Second, once she loses the goodwill of the press for good, the palace will turn on her in more overt ways. As it is, Charles is clearly not at all funding her obstinacy, he is not funding her 'independent court of Middleton' and it is obvious that he only tolerates her at this point in time. It should be clear that she is very much on the brink of being in a very bad situation and once the press turns, it'll be all over for her.

Meg on the other hand, understands all too well what is expected of her and she does fulfill it; she has done a steady round of appearances and despite her atrociously provocative choice in outfits, it is clear that she understands that work equal perks and leverage and respect. She plays ball with Charles and the royal court and it is clear she knows her place (despite attempts to allegedly change how the royal household works) and it is clear that she is aware of needing the press to like her in order to make her life easier. She is going along to get along and there's nothing wrong with that. There is a contrast and despite Kate's posher veneer, Meg is the one who understands and accepts the role and the rules and the expectations. If she and Harry make Charles sweet by not using the kids as some kind of weapon, I am certain that Meg will get more preferential treatment. I think in fact Meg is getting better treatment because she is playing ball and contributing, plus flattering Charles.

I think Kate really was expecting this huge praise for producing a third child since most of the others stop at two.  And it didn't happen. The Christening was more downplayed and there was no huge excitement about the birth and the name was sort of dull for the child. Kate may have wanted to emulate the Queen with producing more children but the 'excitement' was not there over the pregnancy and birth.

I also think Charles put his foot down and therefore, she and William and the children had to play "happy families" with him for his 70th birthday, with photographs and all that.


Title: Re: Kate & Meghan Relationship Thread
Post by: Kuei Fei on January 04, 2019, 06:53:46 pm
Duchess Kate felt ‘like Meghan had used her to climb the royal ladder’
https://www.celebitchy.com/604812/duchess_kate_felt_like_meghan_had_used_her_to_climb_the_royal_ladder/

If Kate is in fact feeling this, Kate is dumb as a box of rocks. She is no victim and she was not used by Meg; as much as I dislike Meg, Meg did have her own life and own career and was not someone who just idled around doing nothing but waiting for a phone call.

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One of the reasons why – I believe – the Duchess of Cambridge was so unsettled by Meghan Markle’s entrance into the royal fold was because it happened so fast. Prince Harry fell head over heels for Meghan very quickly, and their engagement happened a lot sooner into their relationship than most royal relationships. After they were engaged, Meghan was fast-tracked into royal life in an unprecedented way. Kate was likely disturbed by it because Kate felt like she had put in the hard, keen work over the course of a decade to get the ring, and Kate was coddled and slow-walked into royal life over the course of years. Well, Us Weekly claims that Kate and Meghan hashed out some of their feelings over Christmas. I’m sure.

Kate didn't put in  dues because she was not asked to; Kate was never at any point considered a contender for the role of consort and she was never at any point seen as good enough for William. Not even by William since if he had, he would NEVER have used her sexually while keeping her on a string and subjecting her to insults and also breaking up with her multiple times. She wore him down, but she didn't at any real point do anything that could be considered a 'due' that would entitle her to having a ring. FEW people are entitled to a marriage proposal. Doing what she likely did on her back and on her knees is not what I would call hard graft and it is an insult to people who put in honest work and struggle and earn their way through to just end up having to deal with the additional struggles that come along in life.

Kate doesn't know what a decent, honest day's work is and what she did, is not work unless she were a courtesan.


Title: Re: Kate & Meghan Relationship Thread
Post by: livylivy on January 04, 2019, 09:04:21 pm
ITA  :hello:
I honestly think that whilist Meg may be married with Harry just  because of his title and wealth ( like kate is) yet meg earned this chance by working hard. Yes, I' m pretty sure she worked quite hard to get where she currently is and although she is a conniver she must have been quite smart, she' s not a bland useless person like Kate is.
Kate too connived with her mum to get the prince, but she actually did barely something to make things happen. Meghan has made things happen with her own hands


Title: Re: Kate & Meghan Relationship Thread
Post by: livylivy on January 04, 2019, 09:08:41 pm
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Will & Kate seemed perfectly happy for Harry to marry the “tawdry, b-list actress with the embarrassing trashy family”, but ever since the cook book and Pacific tour were successful the Cambridges have realized that they are being bested by a former actress who refuses to engage with petty jerks. Imagine the tea Harry could spill about them too, yet he hasn’t.
:thumbsup: :thumbsup: :thumbsup:

source:
https://www.celebitchy.com/604812/duchess_kate_felt_like_meghan_had_used_her_to_climb_the_royal_ladder/

Sorry for double posting  :sorry:


Title: Re: Kate & Meghan Relationship Thread
Post by: Alexandrine on January 04, 2019, 09:09:19 pm
^ please dont double post



Title: Re: Kate & Meghan Relationship Thread
Post by: Kuei Fei on January 04, 2019, 09:24:35 pm
ITA  :hello:
I honestly think that whilist Meg may be married with Harry just  because of his title and wealth ( like kate is) yet meg earned this chance by working hard. Yes, I' m pretty sure she worked quite hard to get where she currently is and although she is a conniver she must have been quite smart, she' s not a bland useless person like Kate is.Kate too connived with her mum to get the prince, but she actually did barely something to make things happen. Meghan has made things happen with her own hands

Exactly; Meg worked on her career and life and admittedly earned her own money; she had her own home and had her own set and had her own things in her name. Harry however had a title, wealth, and diplomatic status and has security that she had to work for. I don't blame her, tons of women have done it for centuries; I just dislike how she puts up a front like she made some unreal sacrifice; no one made her give up her blog or give up anything at the UN.


Title: Re: Kate & Meghan Relationship Thread
Post by: livylivy on January 04, 2019, 09:53:58 pm
^Agree. She' s an adult, she made a choice, she knew she would have to quit her job


Title: Re: Kate & Meghan Relationship Thread
Post by: sandy on January 04, 2019, 11:04:46 pm
Duchess Kate felt ‘like Meghan had used her to climb the royal ladder’
https://www.celebitchy.com/604812/duchess_kate_felt_like_meghan_had_used_her_to_climb_the_royal_ladder/

If Kate is in fact feeling this, Kate is dumb as a box of rocks. She is no victim and she was not used by Meg; as much as I dislike Meg, Meg did have her own life and own career and was not someone who just idled around doing nothing but waiting for a phone call.

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One of the reasons why – I believe – the Duchess of Cambridge was so unsettled by Meghan Markle’s entrance into the royal fold was because it happened so fast. Prince Harry fell head over heels for Meghan very quickly, and their engagement happened a lot sooner into their relationship than most royal relationships. After they were engaged, Meghan was fast-tracked into royal life in an unprecedented way. Kate was likely disturbed by it because Kate felt like she had put in the hard, keen work over the course of a decade to get the ring, and Kate was coddled and slow-walked into royal life over the course of years. Well, Us Weekly claims that Kate and Meghan hashed out some of their feelings over Christmas. I’m sure.

Kate didn't put in  dues because she was not asked to; Kate was never at any point considered a contender for the role of consort and she was never at any point seen as good enough for William. Not even by William since if he had, he would NEVER have used her sexually while keeping her on a string and subjecting her to insults and also breaking up with her multiple times. She wore him down, but she didn't at any real point do anything that could be considered a 'due' that would entitle her to having a ring. FEW people are entitled to a marriage proposal. Doing what she likely did on her back and on her knees is not what I would call hard graft and it is an insult to people who put in honest work and struggle and earn their way through to just end up having to deal with the additional struggles that come along in life.

Kate doesn't know what a decent, honest day's work is and what she did, is not work unless she were a courtesan.

WIlliam perhaps would have broken up with her for good if an aristo lady had been amenable to marrying him.

will would even insult Kate by bragging to his friends at a ski vacation that he had "sex" (Kate) waiting for him. This before the engagement.

Kate still avoids work.


Title: Re: Kate & Meghan Relationship Thread
Post by: Kuei Fei on January 04, 2019, 11:16:23 pm
You know, I think she might have been able to keep her UN position and keep her blog, just change it to being more centered on her work/position as a royal and then she would have been able to build on it even more. Her biggest mistake was to leave all of it and then blame the BRF for her being a quitter.


Title: Re: Kate & Meghan Relationship Thread
Post by: Miss Hathaway on January 07, 2019, 03:08:11 pm
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Will & Kate seemed perfectly happy for Harry to marry the “tawdry, b-list actress with the embarrassing trashy family”, but ever since the cook book and Pacific tour were successful the Cambridges have realized that they are being bested by a former actress who refuses to engage with petty jerks. Imagine the tea Harry could spill about them too, yet he hasn’t.
:thumbsup: :thumbsup: :thumbsup:

source:
https://www.celebitchy.com/604812/duchess_kate_felt_like_meghan_had_used_her_to_climb_the_royal_ladder/

Sorry for double posting  :sorry:

Celebitchy is very much a Meghan mouthpiece.  You see the proof of that in the statement that the cookbook and Pacific tour were successful.   lol    Both were disasters!   Megs was put on lockdown after she got back and Harry is running away from her as fast as he can.  He's in Norway now. . . rather than with his *cough* expectant wife.   No one in the RF has anything to do with her.  There is zero interest in her pregnancy -- other than wondering if it is real -- and the press is gaining steam in printing unflattering stories about Megs. 

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Exactly; Meg worked on her career and life and admittedly earned her own money; she had her own home and had her own set and had her own things in her name. Harry however had a title, wealth, and diplomatic status and has security that she had to work for. I don't blame her, tons of women have done it for centuries; I just dislike how she puts up a front like she made some unreal sacrifice; no one made her give up her blog or give up anything at the UN.

Megs managed to get some gigs in show biz, but she had reached her pinnacle with her bit part on Suits.  She had to find a rich man to marry . . . of course, she was already practically married to Cory. . . but a prince swam into her sights and she dumped Cory [a great catch!] for what she saw as a better gig.  She didn't/doesn't own a home, her friends drop away as she ghosts them, rumor is she is broke.  She never was employed by the UN and had no future there.  It will be interesting to see how all this plays out, will it not? 


Title: Re: Kate & Meghan Relationship Thread
Post by: sandy on January 07, 2019, 03:25:59 pm
I thought the Norway story was fake. I read he was not going there.

And Meghan was not put on lockdown.


Title: Re: Kate & Meghan Relationship Thread
Post by: Rosella on January 07, 2019, 03:29:39 pm
The Pacific tour was a great success, and acknowledged as such in Australia and NZ, and the cookbook sold well. The Sussexes showed huge amounts of affection towards each other. There was open PDA.

Harry's not in Norway now. His visit to the marines hasn't been announced yet. KP said it would be 'in due course'.


Title: Re: Kate & Meghan Relationship Thread
Post by: HRHOlya on January 11, 2019, 10:56:43 pm
The REAL cost of being royal! How Meghan spent £431k on new clothing in the year she became a duchess - compared to Kate's £55k in 2011

    Royal fashion experts at UFO No More calculated cost of becoming a royal
    They compared new items worn by Kate and Meghan in year they married
    Also calculated cost of new pieces worn by Sweden's Duchess of Värmland
    According to the study, the three women wore new pieces worth £535,291.91

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/femail/article-6581527/Cost-Kate-Middleton-Meghans-royal-wardrobes-revealed.html


Title: Re: Kate & Meghan Relationship Thread
Post by: Rosella on January 11, 2019, 11:44:19 pm
Kate was a part-time Royal in 2011 when she married. She carried out 34 engagements in that year after her April wedding. Meghan completed 102 engagements in 2018 according to TRF poster who records every engagement by every Royal. That is not counting the 24 engagements with Prince Harry before her May wedding.

Princess Sofia is funded very differently to Charles's daughters in law. Her husband Prince Carl Philip gets a fixed sum for expenses from the King (as well as a small private income. It's believed Prince Bertil left him some money) and Sofia's wardrobe comes from that.

We don't know how Meghan's clothing was funded in 2018. Some shoes, coats and boots on early engagements were in her wardrobe before she married and I believe that some outfits have been loans. Others were probably paid for by Charles.


Title: Re: Kate & Meghan Relationship Thread
Post by: michelle0187 on January 12, 2019, 04:03:24 am
Mm sugars have been in attack mode over this article. Why do they let the press get to them so easily?


Title: Re: Kate & Meghan Relationship Thread
Post by: Kuei Fei on January 12, 2019, 04:21:08 am
Kate was a part-time Royal in 2011 when she married. She carried out 34 engagements in that year after her April wedding. Meghan completed 102 engagements in 2018 according to TRF poster who records every engagement by every Royal. That is not counting the 24 engagements with Prince Harry before her May wedding.

Princess Sofia is funded very differently to Charles's daughters in law. Her husband Prince Carl Philip gets a fixed sum for expenses from the King (as well as a small private income. It's believed Prince Bertil left him some money) and Sofia's wardrobe comes from that.
We don't know how Meghan's clothing was funded in 2018. Some shoes, coats and boots on early engagements were in her wardrobe before she married and I believe that some outfits have been loans. Others were probably paid for by Charles.

I'm sure it was Duchy money via the taxpayers (as always) and I am certain that if Meg continues to work more, she will get more out of Charles. She's done a total of 126 engagements in 2018 and frankly I believe that this is the reason so much is being spent on her. It's not for leisure wear, but it's for her appearances. It's not work in any conventional context, but it is something that she has to do and she clearly understands the reality of her situation and the expectations.


Title: Re: Kate & Meghan Relationship Thread
Post by: YooperModerator on January 12, 2019, 11:56:12 am
I’m not going to deny that she has a culturally built in work ethic but working for work’s sake is not what she’s in it for.  Ambition is.  Ambition to be promoted, recognized and to rise higher in her “profession”.  When she realizes that she is going nowhere but where she is, forever, it will cause problems.  Her one job is to support others, another country, a monarch and anyone above her.  That is not Sparkles natural bent at all.


Title: Re: Kate & Meghan Relationship Thread
Post by: sandy on January 12, 2019, 12:01:42 pm
Royal consorts can select really interesting important charities. Meghan would not be "unimportant" if she really made a difference in the charity work she chooses. She can support the monarchy by working on charities and patronages. The ideal thing would be for her to direct the ambitions in this direction. I would not think she is going nowhere. She needs to see the glass half filled not empty.


Title: Re: Kate & Meghan Relationship Thread
Post by: YooperModerator on January 12, 2019, 01:11:06 pm
^You misunderstood.  By going “nowhere”, in her mind, means she can never get a higher rank or be promoted.  That is the world from which she comes.  If you work hard, you rise in the structure.  That cannot nor will not ever happen to her here and it’s not going to be easy for her to accept.  It’s a whole different culture mindset and where the pleasure resides.  Everything this woman has done has been for self promotion not for the cause or greater good. 


Title: Re: Kate & Meghan Relationship Thread
Post by: sandy on January 12, 2019, 01:22:53 pm
She should know she can't get promoted to anything except maybe as a patron, taking on some of the work of a senior royal (perhaps Charles would give her some patronages that he has). As I said, she could not be there without Harry's full cooperation and participation.  So much is written about the royals now the hierarchy is well known. This is what she signed up for and cannot 'reinvent' the rule books.


Title: Re: Kate & Meghan Relationship Thread
Post by: michelle0187 on January 12, 2019, 01:39:44 pm
I wouldn't surprise me that one of the problems she has with her new in laws is their rank. But she signed up for this


Title: Re: Kate & Meghan Relationship Thread
Post by: sandy on January 12, 2019, 02:41:52 pm
I doubt they curtsy or bow to each other behind closed doors. Meghan does not have to curtsy to Kate when she's not with William.


Title: Re: Kate & Meghan Relationship Thread
Post by: CarryingOn on January 12, 2019, 05:13:31 pm
^You misunderstood.  By going “nowhere”, in her mind, means she can never get a higher rank or be promoted.  That is the world from which she comes.  If you work hard, you rise in the structure.  That cannot nor will not ever happen to her here and it’s not going to be easy for her to accept.  It’s a whole different culture mindset and where the pleasure resides.  Everything this woman has done has been for self promotion not for the cause or greater good. 

Great point and frankly I think it's clear that all of her supporters have deluded themselves into thinking the same.


Title: Re: Kate & Meghan Relationship Thread
Post by: Miss Hathaway on January 12, 2019, 05:14:43 pm
I’m not going to deny that she has a culturally built in work ethic but working for work’s sake is not what she’s in it for.  Ambition is.  Ambition to be promoted, recognized and to rise higher in her “profession”.  When she realizes that she is going nowhere but where she is, forever, it will cause problems.  Her one job is to support others, another country, a monarch and anyone above her.  That is not Sparkles natural bent at all.

Indeed, Yooper.  It's all about her because of her narcissistic nature.  She has been given much attention, and now it is time to stop.  That "Fab Four" Christmas walk was simply PR damage control by the RF because of Megs' PR campaign and they don't want to be accused of short changing her when she leaves the BRF -- which she is -- and of course the racism card.   Harry and his wife should not have been walking with Charles and William and his wife -- Harry and his wife should have been behind them walking with the rest of the Queen's grandchildren -- the Yorks, Zara.  

This is what Megs doesn't get.  She thinks her rank is equal to Kate's and Camilla's and it is not.  Never will be.  She will never accept that.  


Title: Re: Kate & Meghan Relationship Thread
Post by: Kuei Fei on January 12, 2019, 06:45:20 pm
I’m not going to deny that she has a culturally built in work ethic but working for work’s sake is not what she’s in it for.  Ambition is.  Ambition to be promoted, recognized and to rise higher in her “profession”.  When she realizes that she is going nowhere but where she is, forever, it will cause problems.  Her one job is to support others, another country, a monarch and anyone above her.  That is not Sparkles natural bent at all.

She never broke any glass ceilings during her time in Hollywood and she never at any point was someone who was so special that she could ever break any barriers. She is now PART of the glass ceiling, she's embraced it, and it is obvious that she revels in her new status, but soon she'll get tired of being a royal duchess, she will want more, and she will have problems when she realizes that she will not be getting it. She will always be a royal duchess, nothing more and she will spend the rest of her life always watching other women move up and become more than she will ever be from here on out.

I don't think Meg was ever going to become a great actress, but at least unmarried, she still had chances to become so much more with her stuff for the UN and she might have continued to have a mediocre career if she had chosen (not likely, but still) to hone her craft and actually TRY to make something happen.


Title: Re: Kate & Meghan Relationship Thread
Post by: sandy on January 12, 2019, 09:07:35 pm
Every individual is equal. They may have titles and medals but I doubt behind closed doors they bow and curtsy every time they see each other  Why wouldn't Meghan "get" that she's married to a second son? She still is married to a son of the heir to the throne. It's not as if she married someone 25th in line. The Fab Four photo op was a traditional photograph of Royal Christmases, the entire family did that walk not just the four of them.


Title: Re: Kate & Meghan Relationship Thread
Post by: Kuei Fei on January 12, 2019, 11:09:46 pm
No one is equal in that world; no one is the same. William is higher up, Charles is even higher up, and HM is the highest up. That is the world she is married into and I'm sure Kate prefers that Meg show deference.


Title: Re: Kate & Meghan Relationship Thread
Post by: Fly on the wall on January 13, 2019, 03:19:27 am
Was Meghan NFI to Kate's very intimate birthday bash? Duchess of Sussex 'didn't get an invite' amid continuing rift as rival Wife of Windsor marks turning 37 with a handful of close confidantes at her and William's vast Norfolk mansion

It should have been an occasion for friends – and family – to celebrate. But, in another example of what appears to be the increasingly frosty relationship between the Duchesses of Cambridge and Sussex, I can reveal that Prince Harry and Meghan were absent from Kate’s intimate birthday party last weekend.

Kate celebrated her 37th birthday with a Sunday lunch with William and close friends at Anmer Hall, their Norfolk country home near Sandringham.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/tvshowbiz/article-6585567/TALK-TOWN-Meghan-NFI-Kates-intimate-birthday-bash.html


Title: Re: Kate & Meghan Relationship Thread
Post by: Kuei Fei on January 13, 2019, 03:36:16 am
If Kate keeps treating Meg badly, it reflects badly on her, no one else. I'm sure that is a pointless snub and Meg is Harry's wife and her new relation.


Title: Re: Kate & Meghan Relationship Thread
Post by: Miss Hathaway on January 13, 2019, 09:44:55 am
if I were Kate I would not allow Megs to be in my home or around me or my kids at all as Megs is gathering material for her tell-all book when she leaves.


Title: Re: Kate & Meghan Relationship Thread
Post by: sandy on January 13, 2019, 11:01:05 am
If I were in that family I would think Kate very pretentious and 'above herself'.  IF she does not want Meghan around the children, shame on Kate.  Her mother is embarrassing now pushing her son on the media like he is on the Bachelor TV show.


Title: Re: Kate & Meghan Relationship Thread
Post by: HRHOlya on January 13, 2019, 12:27:01 pm
Why should K invite M if they don't get along and why should it reflect badly on K? It would only be so if M keeps inviting K to her bday over years and K even comes, but doesn't reciprocate. This is the 1st year and there's no reason for M to be invited if they indeed don't get along.

Also, M knows everything about not inviting family to occasions, she could write a book on that first.

Further, M has leaked like a sieve, wouldn't want her at my bday either.


Title: Re: Kate & Meghan Relationship Thread
Post by: sandy on January 13, 2019, 12:35:53 pm
I think it's the DM stirring up trouble. I would not want Kate at my birthday party. Kate's Mum I think is doing the leaking now.


Title: Re: Kate & Meghan Relationship Thread
Post by: HRHOlya on January 13, 2019, 12:41:53 pm
This doesn't smell like a Midd leak, more like a butthurt M leak.

The Midds have leaked over the years as well, but they were less complaining, & more out for the fullfillment of their agenda.


Title: Re: Kate & Meghan Relationship Thread
Post by: sandy on January 13, 2019, 01:03:10 pm
I don't think Meghan would leak negative stories about herself. There are also the Tumblr accounts which have been in action since MEghan and Harry started dating.


Title: Re: Kate & Meghan Relationship Thread
Post by: HRHOlya on January 13, 2019, 01:13:25 pm
^ Of course she wouldn't leak a negative story about herself, where is that one though? If she leaked this the intention was clearly to make herself look like a victim, "boo-hoo I wasn't invited by my evil sil". The way the media spins it is another and also how people reveive the story. If she leaked this, it clearly backfired, seeing as Omid is one of the sources then yeah M must be behind it. Makes no sense whatsoever to say the Midds leaked. There's no gain at all for them leaking this, esp as it could have made K look bad.

I took the time to read the comments and loved this one:

"If MM attended Kates party she would just keep saying to the guests "Hi I'm Meghan, I have visited here many times in secret! Did you know about my secret visits? It was a secret and only appeared in 7 or 8 newspapers. As I said to Kate on my last secret visit, we must keep this a secret Kate! That's what I always say to Amal and Victoria too when I visit them in secret, and Oprah, but then Oprah says but Meghan it's so hard to keep our friendship secret because I love you so much! And I say oh Oprah, everyone feels that way but I try to stay humble, that's why I do these secret visits with only 3 photographers to capture me in secret, you know they're obessed with me and all I do is pay them and call them! It's a diagrace! But that's why I value my behind the scenes work and secret visits" "

Also

"Haha! And lets not forget Serena who had to admonish MM because she's just TOO kind. Oh stop being so kind Meghan! Barf"

And

"Meghan wasn't invited in case she brought her famous illegal party bags with her."

Also some good ones here:

"It's quite unhealthy the way Meghan appears obsessed with getting close to Kate and William. They would be wise to keep their distance. Every minutiae of their lives will be exposed in her future books and interviews. "

"@ Ex service. MM wrote an extensive piece on her blog about Kate and William before she met Harry. On their Christmas walk MM didn't interact with H she dragged him by the arm as she walked closer and closer to Kate while trying to catch William's eye. When she curtsied she looked at William for approval, not her own husband. When she is placed away from them on balconies she keeps staring at them in between staring at the camera. The list goes on. "

"@ Ex sevice - take a look through video clips of Sandringham 2017 and 2018. The Crazy American yearns to be noticed by William, to the point of ignoring the Half-Wit she married. She'll use Kate to get to William if she has to, and discard her as she has done with everyone else no longer useful. I'm not sure what she wants, but given how ruthless she is, I wouldn't be surprised if she wants to be another Camilla."


I also have to say that it does seem that K does have a handful of female friends, the same ones who've been around for more than 10 years. She's famously female-unfriendly, but some select ones have stuck around and they're her kids godparents and have never ever talked to the media or promoted their business/ work via their connection.


Title: Re: Kate & Meghan Relationship Thread
Post by: Miss Hathaway on January 13, 2019, 01:25:10 pm
If I were in that family I would think Kate very pretentious and 'above herself'.  IF she does not want Meghan around the children, shame on Kate.  Her mother is embarrassing now pushing her son on the media like he is on the Bachelor TV show.

Did you think Meggles was pretentious and above herself when she did not invite her family to her most recent wedding, Sandy?


Title: Re: Kate & Meghan Relationship Thread
Post by: AnaBolena on January 13, 2019, 04:15:51 pm
^We already know the answer to that lol

Everything M does K is hung for.   :cookie:


Title: Re: Kate & Meghan Relationship Thread
Post by: HRHOlya on January 13, 2019, 04:31:02 pm
^ Indeed. I also see some mental gymnastics when K critics justify M's spending and other things, when K was criticized for much less in her 1st year by these people. Can't even bear to read some of the bs peddled on Tumblr.

Sooo, K is expected to invite her sil who's already proven to be sketchy, lying, leaking and isn't close at all to K; and yet there's some bending over backwards when it comes to M and her treatment of her dad and family re her weddings and everything (how steadfast everyone was how Thomas wasn't at her wedding in Jamaica and he proved he was).


Title: Re: Kate & Meghan Relationship Thread
Post by: sandy on January 13, 2019, 04:40:48 pm
I am criticizing Kate because yes I do think she's pretentious and lazy. Neither Kate or Meghan are anything to write home about. Meghan has her own issues with her family. Kate has different issues with her ambitious mother. Apples and oranges.


Title: Re: Kate & Meghan Relationship Thread
Post by: Ariel on January 13, 2019, 08:12:10 pm
I applaud Kate for NOT inviting the leech M. M had the audacity to campaign for NatTh patron on Kate's birthday. Tackiest and jelliest thing ever. Why invite her to her birthday after that? I am so happy that Kate retaliates, Will did it on Christmas, now Kate. There's even a sun article that states that brf is behind Kate in contrast of not being behind Diana, so brf even played the Diana card to NOT get associated with M.

Also, Kate doesn't want any of her children close to M. That's more than obvious. ... What did M try to do to these kids so that the parents go to extra lengths to protect the kids from Her?


Title: Re: Kate & Meghan Relationship Thread
Post by: Rosella on January 13, 2019, 08:50:55 pm
Meghan hasn't been near the National Theatre (a patronage given her by the Queen) on Kate's birthday. She was at SmartWorks the other day and has two engagements connected with other Sussex patronages on Monday, and that's it.

Harry and Kate have had an excellent relationship yet Kate never turned up to any of Harry's birthday parties nor her to his. Nor did the two brothers, who have always been close, attend each other's parties.

And Kate wasn't at Meghan's birthday last year. Meghan and Harry were at the wedding of Harry's cousin on the Spencer side on that day.

Where are any stories that Meghan is being kept away from the Cambridge children (apart from Tumblr/Twitter rumours.) The Sussexes are still at Nott Cott, only a courtyard away from Apartment 1A at KP, and can see the Cambridge children whenever they drop in.


Title: Re: Kate & Meghan Relationship Thread
Post by: sandy on January 14, 2019, 01:00:03 am
I applaud Kate for NOT inviting the leech M. M had the audacity to campaign for NatTh patron on Kate's birthday. Tackiest and jelliest thing ever. Why invite her to her birthday after that? I am so happy that Kate retaliates, Will did it on Christmas, now Kate. There's even a sun article that states that brf is behind Kate in contrast of not being behind Diana, so brf even played the Diana card to NOT get associated with M.

Also, Kate doesn't want any of her children close to M. That's more than obvious. ... What did M try to do to these kids so that the parents go to extra lengths to protect the kids from Her?

How is it obvious? Meghan is made to sound like a monster, she's not. And she's the children's aunt. Kate hiding the children from Meghan sounds very ludicrous to me.

Why would Kate have to retaliate? There was nothing to retaliate from.  Meghan never played the Diana card--the Media and social media sites "claim" this. Both Kate and Meghan talked about Diana publicly.

Kate sounds odd if she keeps children away from their aunt and feels she has to "retaliate."

Meghan did not try to kidnap the children or do anything to harm them. These are just rumors about Meghan and totally unfounded.

William went on an appearance on Kate's birthday. IF this is so blasphemous why isn't he criticized for it? He even made a "joke" about "forgetting" Kate's birthday.


Title: Re: Kate & Meghan Relationship Thread
Post by: misanthrocrat on January 14, 2019, 02:22:05 am
I also have to say that it does seem that K does have a handful of female friends, the same ones who've been around for more than 10 years. She's famously female-unfriendly, but some select ones have stuck around and they're her kids godparents and have never ever talked to the media or promoted their business/ work via their connection.

Key word - "some select ones". In her private life, she appears to be the wise type. Quality over quantity; loyalty to character-based friendship over loyalty to gender.
I say Bravo.

Despite knowing - intellectually - that she is a god-for-nothing mediocrity, I have a hard time staving off a certain feeling of faint sympathy towards her due to all these reports, clues and signs that emerge about her.
I tried really hard to dislike KM as much as I dislike MM - considering they both are natural nobodies who stepped into a enormous pile of luck. :goodluck:
But I can't manage to shake off that feeling of faint sympathy - which probably needs to go away.
Just when I think I nailed her as the useless thing that she is, something else comes out about her that I can't help but relate to or find some affinity with. 

I am not sure if it's her personality type or her classic style, or her astrological sign which I share, or her penchant towards traditionalism... or my sincere admiration for Middleton's strong family ties...I don't know.

I have tried so hard to dislike her 100% but I can't fully manage.
If anyone can help, throw more info my way.  :work:     


Title: Re: Kate & Meghan Relationship Thread
Post by: sandy on January 14, 2019, 02:36:40 am
Kate's best friends (female) IMO are Pippa and Carole. She would give death stares to women who got near William.

It's not a matter of disliking Kate, to me she is not a role model for women today. She put her life on hold while supported by her parents hoping for the ring from William. He wanted to date others and would call cooling off periods and a big breakup. His friends started leaking nasty things about Kate to the media during the breakup (and they proved they are William's friends and in a pinch they would side with him). It was more than a matter of "luck" with Kate, it was strategy and planning notably the media campaign waged by Kate to win William back. Supposedly her mother encouraged her to wage this campaign. She had years to do things on her own and for herself but did not take this opportunity and brought her weak work ethic into the royal family.


Title: Re: Kate & Meghan Relationship Thread
Post by: Snowpea on January 14, 2019, 03:57:37 am
I also have to say that it does seem that K does have a handful of female friends, the same ones who've been around for more than 10 years. She's famously female-unfriendly, but some select ones have stuck around and they're her kids godparents and have never ever talked to the media or promoted their business/ work via their connection.

Key word - "some select ones". In her private life, she appears to be the wise type. Quality over quantity; loyalty to character-based friendship over loyalty to gender.
I say Bravo.

Despite knowing - intellectually - that she is a god-for-nothing mediocrity, I have a hard time staving off a certain feeling of faint sympathy towards her due to all these reports, clues and signs that emerge about her.
I tried really hard to dislike KM as much as I dislike MM - considering they both are natural nobodies who stepped into a enormous pile of luck. :goodluck:
But I can't manage to shake off that feeling of faint sympathy - which probably needs to go away.
Just when I think I nailed her as the useless thing that she is, something else comes out about her that I can't help but relate to or find some affinity with. 

I am not sure if it's her personality type or her classic style, or her astrological sign which I share, or her penchant towards traditionalism... or my sincere admiration for Middleton's strong family ties...I don't know.

I have tried so hard to dislike her 100% but I can't fully manage.
If anyone can help, throw more info my way.  :work:     

Her family is privately very cruel, uppity and nasty - very self-serving and lazy. No respect for a mother who practically wh#res out her daughters to the richest men out there.


Title: Re: Kate & Meghan Relationship Thread
Post by: misanthrocrat on January 14, 2019, 04:59:33 am
^ Thanks - but I am not sure it's helping my cause. :)

Lazy?...It doesn't quite look like this from where I stand. Not the parents.
As for self-serving...isn't it what families are supposed to be? Self-serving? I don't mean individuals - but families.
Parents took great care of children, children seem to respond in kind. This sounds like a nice family arrangement to me.

If all of us had parents like the Midds...trust me, it would be a better world for all of us.

I would have no respect for a mother who'd wh*re out her daughter to a rich man whom the daughter despises and absolutely does not want.
But when the daughter wants the guy too - this is a mother-daughter relationship made in Heaven.

There is nothing inherently wrong for a mother to want to see her daughter married well.

I know this view doesn't fit in with our modern narratives about SIW-s ("strong, independent women") but it is what I believe.
Actually, strongly believe - as a career woman with quite a few degrees stacked up to High Heavens.

In our days, women who marry well are virtually guaranteed a good life and a wide variety of choices, assuming of course the man is not some abusive wretch, which they usually aren't, contrary to popular opinion. 

Such women's options include being able to focus on their children, marriage, private life, friendships, wider interests and hobbies, etc. - all with grace and ease and without worries and the indignities of "joggling".
They can have careers too if they so choose - but funny how many in such a situation don't exactly "burn" to choose a serious a career path if they have the former option (which they do).
 
Never mind when it's about occupying a position at the top of the bee hive, as KM got to occupy with her mother's support.
This is hardly just being "wh*red out to a rich man".
 
After all, for all his mediocrity, I doubt William is such a bad man with any more flaws than any other Joe would have had - as all humans are flawed.   

My conclusion: Ma' Midds did wonders for her children.
She certainly didn't do wonders for others outside her family, but that was not her responsibility.

Her responsibility was to her children and she served her children well. Ultimately, there's nothing higher a mother can do.
And to me, this is hats off.

Give me something else. Maybe they have a body or two buried in the back yard or something??...   
 
 


Title: Re: Kate & Meghan Relationship Thread
Post by: sandy on January 14, 2019, 02:01:03 pm
If all of us had parents like the Midds, the world would consist of social climbers not doing much for themselves but finding someone wealthy to "take care of them." Even wealthy people go out and work and don't sit home on trust funds. Carole is very pushy. And maybe she would have been a role model mom back in the50s when girls went to school to find wealthy husbands. It also goes back to the early 20th century. I recall Rose's Mother in titanic told another woman the purpose of University for women is to find a husband and Rose already has done that. Carole is an anachronism.

Women who marry well are decidedly not guaranteed a good life or a variety of choices. Look at Mrs Bezos today her husband had some sort of a midlife crisis and started  courting a married woman. Even though Mrs B thought life was secure with a happy family and just like that the rug was pulled out from under her. Many women are ditched by their wealthy husbands. Depending on a man is not the answer for women. Marriage counselors have advised women to get an education and have a career. And some families even rich ones need two incomes.

The jury is out on James. There is a sense of desperation for Carole to marry him off. Maybe he doesn't even want to marry.

The jury is also out on Kate and Pippa. Royal marriages are not guaranteed anymore considering recent past history.


Title: Re: Kate & Meghan Relationship Thread
Post by: AnaBolena on January 14, 2019, 02:42:30 pm
Here’s something that started to change my mind about Kate.  It’s only small and can easily be written off if someone wishes to, but I’m going on my gut instinct.   Her hands. 

Hands tell a story about a person, and I don’t mean Kates hands are necessarily attractive, because if they were well kept they’d just be normal hands, but they aren’t.

Her hands are of a woman who does work.  I’m not meaning outside in the world work, but they stay at home, clean up, wash things etc.  She uses her hands!  I fully believe she’s a hands on Mother and that Maria just helps.

IMHO.  :cookie:


Title: Re: Kate & Meghan Relationship Thread
Post by: sandy on January 14, 2019, 02:45:04 pm
I think Maria does a whole lot of the work.  And let's say Kate wants to stay home with the children, it does not mean she can't have a regular schedule of work hours each week, she is not expected to do 35 hours a week. I don't think her hands look like they do much work.


Title: Re: Kate & Meghan Relationship Thread
Post by: Miss Hathaway on January 14, 2019, 03:03:36 pm
I think Maria does a lot of work.  However, body language doesn't lie.  Kate seems motherly now.  She is at ease with her children and interacts with them easily and naturally.  She was photographed with Charlotte at The Nutcracker.  I thought she was very at ease with toddler George when they were in Australia.  She is equally at ease now [more noticeably than 2011/2012] with children she greets in public, and they seem comfortable with her.  Contrast that with Megs who hasn't a clue how to deal with kids. Harry has to push them up under her nose for them to hug her.


Title: Re: Kate & Meghan Relationship Thread
Post by: sandy on January 14, 2019, 03:06:05 pm
It remains to be seen how Meghan deals with her children. As long as the children don't end up like Harper Beckham who is already getting spa treatments and treated like a little adult.

William makes critical comments about his children. I think Harry will be better and actually act the proud dad instead of whining about how "noisy" they are.


Title: Re: Kate & Meghan Relationship Thread
Post by: Miss Hathaway on January 14, 2019, 03:11:28 pm
William makes jokes that fall flat, but I haven't read of any he's made lately; have you, Sandy?   Meanwhile, Harry is completely silent about the upcoming birth of his "first child".  Are you aware of any comments of excitement has has made, Sandy?  But it is noticeable that Kate seems to enjoy her children and Meghan is running around clutching her belly with her wild eyes looking for a camera lens.   If she is going to compete with Kate and Diana on being a good mother, she's got a lot of changes to make.


Title: Re: Kate & Meghan Relationship Thread
Post by: sandy on January 14, 2019, 03:18:59 pm
William made some feeble joke about forgetting Kate's birthday and that was a few days ago.

Maybe Harry says these comments to individuals in the crowds and they are not part of speeches or anything like that.

The baby is not even born yet, and the jury is out on how Meghan will treat her child. Obviously some already have tried and judged her even before the child is born judging by some DM comments and social media.

Kate left baby George to go on a vacation and she was heavily criticized for that. So she is not some perfect mother. Nobody really is perfect. William left the wife and kids for hunting weekends (so he's not the ideal dad) with JEcca in the group.



Title: Re: Kate & Meghan Relationship Thread
Post by: misanthrocrat on January 14, 2019, 08:47:11 pm
If all of us had parents like the Midds, the world would consist of social climbers not doing much for themselves but finding someone wealthy to "take care of them." Even wealthy people go out and work and don't sit home on trust funds. Carole is very pushy. And maybe she would have been a role model mom back in the50s when girls went to school to find wealthy husbands. It also goes back to the early 20th century. I recall Rose's Mother in titanic told another woman the purpose of University for women is to find a husband and Rose already has done that. Carole is an anachronism.

Women who marry well are decidedly not guaranteed a good life or a variety of choices. Look at Mrs Bezos today her husband had some sort of a midlife crisis and started  courting a married woman. Even though Mrs B thought life was secure with a happy family and just like that the rug was pulled out from under her. Many women are ditched by their wealthy husbands. Depending on a man is not the answer for women. Marriage counselors have advised women to get an education and have a career. And some families even rich ones need two incomes.

The jury is out on James. There is a sense of desperation for Carole to marry him off. Maybe he doesn't even want to marry.

The jury is also out on Kate and Pippa. Royal marriages are not guaranteed anymore considering recent past history.

Carole is a wise and practical person. Just because most are not like her does not make her "wrong".
 
You are 100% correct that if everyone had parents like the Midds there would be few people left to do the jobs that need done in society.
But when I said "like the Midds" I did not refer to raising children only so they can marry a king or do enormous social climbs. (But if this is possible, why not).
 
My point is that Midds-like parents are long-term planners and always provision for their children. Heavily.
Financially, educationally, professionally, socially, emotionally  - in one way or another or better yet, all ways.

Obviously, not every mother would be able to pull strings so her child will marry royalty.
But real, long-term concern for one's child can manifest itself in myriad ways, not at all unlike what Ma Midds did.
In reality, few parents make such provisions.
They meet their basic duties towards their children (roof, food, clothing, etc... basic protections while children are minors); and when they hit adulthood, they send them out the door with a "good luck" on the wild job market and a shrug. Let then make it "on their own" even though few equip them with some kind of substantive head-start. Most importantly, they have children with minimal resources; so most set themselves and their children up for the precarious situation to live a paycheck-to-paycheck lifestyle...even when the child eventually manages to get a profession and make a relatively large paycheck.
Once caught in the system they can do nothing but continue to work, as there's no exit.  
 
Society, of curse, encourages such behavior in parents and considers it more than sufficient because otherwise, as Sandy said, nobody would be left to do the actual work. For the social system, it's good that things are this way. For the individual, it's bad.  
 
A wise, lucid and loving parent (which most are not) does not have children for the species or for the system's functionality.
They have them and try to give them a better life than most have.

So from the perspective of her family, Ma' Midds is not wrong. She did right by her individual children, though not so right by the social system itself.
MM herself did a phenomenal job in terms of snatching the opportunity.
But this is not what I resent about her.
Any other woman with that chance would have tried to snag PH. Unless of course, she was repulsed by him, which I doubt because few women appear to find PH repulsive.
What I abhor about MM is her Narcissism,  desperation for attention, phoniness, her pretenses of being something other than what she is (not just "lucky" but an "amazing modern SIW" ), her extreme individualistic ruthlessness and treachery towards her own flesh and blood, especially the ingratitude towards her father - things that are absent with the Midds.
  
Finally, may I remind you that what happened to Ms. Bezos or any other Ms. Married-Well who ends up with a marital betrayal - can also happen to Ms. Average, minus the enormous share that Ms. Married-Well can walk away with post divorce, but not Ms. Average?
I'll take Married-Well any day. In fact, Ms. Average, never mind Ms. Poor, stand much higher odds of divorce than Ms. Married-Well.
 
A career is not the end-all be all for women, despite the indoctrination of our times.
Women who are able to secure the solid support of a man (whether via marital loyalty or simply a nice chunk post-divorce) are blessed and liberated to be able to focus on other things in life such as their children, private life and personal interests. They will never need to worry about how to provide financially or how to compete in the market with many ruthless others to maintain a decent living standard.

I still say "good job" for Ma Midds - even though I can completely understand why the public resents her.
It could have been us with a mother like that instead.
I, for one, wish.  


Title: Re: Kate & Meghan Relationship Thread
Post by: HRHOlya on January 14, 2019, 08:58:04 pm
^ Quite well put.


Title: Re: Kate & Meghan Relationship Thread
Post by: sandy on January 14, 2019, 09:03:09 pm
Carole is manipulative and ambitious IMO. I don't see how she is "wise."

A mother should make sure her children are self sufficient and have skills so they don't have to depend on a marriage to get ahead. Kate did not ever have to support herself. She moved from her parents house to the royals once William proposed. If William had not proposed, Mrs Middleton would have had to have shifted gears and found a way to get Kate in with an aristo or wealthy crowd. IF William had dumped her for good I doubt his friends would have been hers, they would have moved on to the next lady in his life.

It seems to me there was an attempt of matchmaking Pippa and Harry but it decisively did not pan out. Around the time of the 2011 there were rumors about the two of them but nothing every came of it. So Ma can't achieve her goals all the time.

Women today work for a living and get educated. The 1950s are long since over. Also realistically and financially there is more of a need for a two income household.Also if a man is out of work, the wife has a job so the couple and their children do not suffer nor lose opportunities to get a good education. A man can divorce his wife and without a skill and only depending on him for child support, would not be able to support herself. Or if a woman is widowed and she is encouraged to wait for a man to rescue her from work and has no skills and suppose the man dies leaving her a lot of debts (this does happen), it would be a great hardship. Woman and men are equal it is no longer the case of the woman finding a man to survive and avoiding work. I would like to think women have advanced since the 1950s and women today get good educations and learn lifelong skills so they can support themselves and their families. I know of couples who both worked and the man was out of a job, thankfully for them they did not have the attitude that a woman needs a man to support her, the woman could bring in income to the family.

I don't think women should be treated like they are "precious" and too "delicate" to work and don't have to bother with learning skills because a man will take care of them. that is a very very unrealistic goal to me.

Even Kate is expected to work and participate in royal work, she can't just sit home eating bon bons and living off William.



Title: Re: Kate & Meghan Relationship Thread
Post by: Kuei Fei on January 14, 2019, 09:15:52 pm
If a woman was going to be supported by a husband, if she was going to be a princess, it would have been IMPOSSIBLE for Kate to become a consort. A princess was expected to be pure and be on his level and NEVER have known other men. The only reason the Goldsmiths moved up is because the women had the realism to know that they had to make a living of some kind and so they did. Carole herself was a career woman. There is no other way for women on the lower socio-economic spectrum to move up in this world.

Not every woman might like working, but they do indeed need to since families no longer financially support impecunious family members forever and it is unsustainable. Meg made her way in the world as expected and second, Kate only didn't work because her parents were willing to fit the bill for the chase for a ring. She was not at all being virginal while she was trying to land William and he did not treat her respectfully. It's not like she was taken to nice places and treated as a lady. She was going to nightclubs and jet set spots and I wouldn't call that being romantically courted at all.


Title: Re: Kate & Meghan Relationship Thread
Post by: misanthrocrat on January 15, 2019, 05:01:48 am
^ I never questioned the importance of women's employment when spouses find it necessary to raise the family's living standard or to advance in some way.
Necessity is one thing. Insisting that ALL women should be career-oriented, gainfully employed or productive outside their private sphere simply because this is "the modern way", is another thing.
I disagree with this latter view. Myself and the still sizeable percentage of families who arrange their lives the traditional way.
 The "modern way" is  not as applicable-to-all as some would have us believe. I sate this as a gainfully employed, professional woman.  
 
What I question here is this idea that Ma Midds is a "bad" person (ambitious!) because she worked to set up her daughters the old-fashioned way by guiding and supporting them to marry well. Actually "marry top". You don't have to live in the late 1800's or the 1950's to think this way. You only need to be in touch with reality.  
She may have been "bad" for others, but she certainly wasn't "bad" for her daughters.

Wanting one's daughters to marry well doesn't make a mother "bad". Not when this is also what the daughters want.  
She was willing to offer the family's resources to allow her daughter NOT TO get caught up in a career so she could focus on getting the guy she had set her eyes on instead.
In this particular case, the daughter needed quite a bit of focus. And guess what. It worked.

I fully understand this is an extremely unpopular opinion in our times - but I believe the Midds' strategy was a good thing for their children, not a bad one. And reality kind of speaks for itself.  

At the same time, the Midds did not risk their daughters' lives by having no plan B  (education, profession in hand, a trust fund, etc.) in case the marrying-well plan didn't work out. They were already rich and covered - and their daughters were never going to starve, that's for sure.
 
How many parents plan and provision like this for their children?
How many avoid having them if they don't have enough resources or at least the potential to provide a nice head-start to their children in life?
    
There is absolutely nothing wrong or immoral with wanting to marry well. Certainly not any less than being ambitious about climbing some corporate ladder.
Fact is many women still prefer to work and support their own family (this includes their husbands) to the corporate/business/working-outside-the-home career path.  
If they can arrange this lifestyle, be it in modern times, what is that supreme authority that decrees this is a bad choice?
  
How is it so much wiser to rely on a paycheck from an employer in exchange of services than to rely on financial support from a husband in exchange of domestic services and support?    
Why is an employer automatically better than a husband?
Why is even a woman's self-employment / owning one's own business better than focusing on her family, if a husband is financially willing and able to support such focus?  

Ma Midds didn't buy into this "modern career woman" propaganda and she facilitated not only a wonderfully traditional life for her daughters but also a phenomenal existence at the top of the socio-economic pyramid.  
I can't grade her with less than a 10/10 as a parent.


Title: Re: Kate & Meghan Relationship Thread
Post by: Kuei Fei on January 15, 2019, 05:17:29 am
Traditional families don't let their daughters be used like Kate was for so many years and don't let their daughters flash their parts for public consumption. Traditionalists would require a ring or that the relationship end. Traditionally if a woman could be a candidate to marry a prince, she would have to be spotless in her virtue and from an upper class family. Kate is not from an upper class family. I don't think Kate was behaving well if she got to William despite not being exceptionally wealthy, not being exceptionally accomplished, and not being from an exceptionally prominent family. She's not even exceptionally attractive. As for a career, Kate is not paid by the taxpayer to sit around and be a kept housewife; she is paid to make appearances and paid to build connections and paid to promote causes and paid to honor people. This isn't about Kate or making Kate comfy, this is about serving her nation. She has no business behaving like a kept housewife.


Title: Re: Kate & Meghan Relationship Thread
Post by: misanthrocrat on January 15, 2019, 05:51:49 am
I agree, with the following caveats.

Traditional families don't let their daughters be used like Kate was for so many years and don't let their daughters flash their parts for public consumption. Traditionalists would require a ring or that the relationship end. Traditionally if a woman could be a candidate to marry a prince, she would have to be spotless in her virtue and from an upper class family.

This is true of authentic, century-old traditionalists.
But the Midds are not some unusual traditional purists in the 21st century.
They just seem like highly caring, involved and pragmatic parents.
They may have wanted that ring very soon too but they understood diplomacy and waiting was the family's best bet under the circumstances, whether Kate was "used" or not.
 Do you think that if she'd had been on some career path at that point, she wouldn't have been "used" by some colleague or corporate dude, here and there?
I suppose by "used" you meant sleeping with William before having any guarantee for a ring. 
I think she was using him just as much. They both just wanted to have sex and the Palace obviously allowed it. Neither could have cared less about virginity in the 21st century.
By no means am I arguing people shouldn't care about such a thing (I am all for a return to the no-sex-before-marriage morality).
But the Midds simply understood that ship has long sailed. The "marrying well" boat didn't, however.   
 

Kate is not from an upper class family.

This is clear.

I don't think Kate was behaving well if she got to William despite not being exceptionally wealthy, not being exceptionally accomplished, and not being from an exceptionally prominent family.

Yes, she wasn't behaving. This is also pretty clear.

She's not even exceptionally attractive.

I think she's just right for aristocratic circles.
Anything more and you'd spill over into cheesy Hollywood territory. Aristo men don't go for exceptionally attractive women anyway. Not traditionally, not until very recently. And even now - royal brides still have a little something discreet and "low key" about them as opposed to some "wow - gorgeous diva" factor.   

As for a career, Kate is not paid by the taxpayer to sit around and be a kept housewife; she is paid to make appearances and paid to build connections and paid to promote causes and paid to honor people. This isn't about Kate or making Kate comfy, this is about serving her nation. She has no business behaving like a kept housewife.

Well...she appears to be doing quite a bit of that required "showing up" thing because she seems to be in the news quite often.
But since this is not really a career but rather an opportunity for glamor, she will probably be able to add more of those engagements if what she already does continues to be seen as inadequate. 
Her entire family counted on it when they decide PW was a goal worth pursuing.   

In sum, I don't see these royal women as "career women" even if they live partially at the tax-payers' expense.
I see them in a traditional role, more like symbols and supports for their husbands or the queen.
Definitely not "career women" - which is what MM wants to sell to the public so awkwardly.   



Title: Re: Kate & Meghan Relationship Thread
Post by: sandy on January 15, 2019, 01:34:18 pm
Carole certainly bought into the modern career for women philosophy since she herself worked for a living and made money for her family and her husband worked as well and supported the business enterprise.  Oddly enough she bought into the fifties philosophy of the degree in Mrs or a woman latching herself to a rich man for security and not being bothered to learn a trade or work.

Kate was not assured of a marriage to William nor was there any formal betrothal obligating them to marry. He was looking around and trying to find someone else during cooling off periods and the breakup. He humiliated Kate by getting photographed with his arms around two women, and groping one of them in the photo and looking worse for wear. I think had he not been who he was Kate would have dumped him.

Oh royal women are career women. If the Queen Mum were around today she'd explain it in no uncertain terms. She was consort and was dedicated to her work as Queen Consort. She accompanied her husband to London to see the results of the bombings during WW II and spoke individually to people affected by it. To me that is hard work not sitting around the palace being a housewife. Queen Alexandra was a beloved consort because she gave back and visited her charities diligently, she was not well and was lame and deaf but that did not stop her. It's a whole lot more than "showing up."

Kate would do well to read about her predecessors to learn from example. As would Meghan in her role as wife of the second son.

An employer can be better than a husband if the husband is abusive and the wife either can't or won't leave. She can quit a job and look elsewhere. Depending on a man for support does not always turn out well. And sometimes men are supported by their wives when they lose their jobs.  how else can a family afford to get their children educated and provide the best for them. If the woman wants to be supported by the man and the income is halved she is clearly not thinking of the children.

The days of the fifties are long gone.


Title: Re: Kate & Meghan Relationship Thread
Post by: Alexandrine on January 15, 2019, 02:27:09 pm
It was not about the fifties philosophy it was about moving up classes. Even when people get rich like thr Beckhams they are never upper class because of their parents. Imo Carole wanted her children to move classes. This is the reason they went to posh schools and posh colleges. If Will had been a duke or anything similar it would have been a good choice.

Carole wanted her kids to have the posh style life so they could meet similar kind of people. If Kate hadnt met Will she wouldnt have worked either. She would have found a posh job to meet other posh people until she got married like Pippa has done.

I think that when we like outside UK we forget how important class is there. Even Diana and the QM were not good enough being aristos.

Also I think I doubt Queen Alexandra and Queen Mary worked as much. Wasnt Q Mary husband so bored being the heir that he collected stamps?


Title: Re: Kate & Meghan Relationship Thread
Post by: sandy on January 15, 2019, 02:44:36 pm
women can move up in class and not just wait for a proposal but have their own education and skills Lisa Halaby moved up in class and became Queen Noor but she had her own career before she married up.

Kate would have married someone wealthy. But that said, Pippa did work more and wrote a book and still married up.

Queen Mary did work diligently on her charities. Queen Alexandra was much admired in her time for her appearances and charity work.


Title: Re: Kate & Meghan Relationship Thread
Post by: Alexandrine on January 15, 2019, 03:00:03 pm
Kate as future queen still hasnt moved up classes she is still a commoner born from a low class. Queen Noor was an american  who married a Jordan King. Totally different societies. Btw I wonder what the jordan people think of Noor.

Btw she is only known because she married someone who had the position. She didnt get to be queen because she did something special.

All these woman who marry into the RF wtih few exceptions would be totally unknown without marrying. Neither would they have the opportunity to meet that kind of important people or have any kind of impact.

The beckhams worked hard for what they have and they are still low class and nouve rich. Class is not about money it is about your ancestors.

Im a fan of Queen Alexandra but doubtful that she worked in the sense that we consider work. And QMary maybe should have taken care of her children a bit better? She wasn awful mother and it showed in her kids (same as her husband btw).



Title: Re: Kate & Meghan Relationship Thread
Post by: YooperModerator on January 15, 2019, 03:19:19 pm
Kinda veering off topic, aren’t we?  I’m struggling to see how this angle is about Kate and MM’s relationship.


Title: Re: Kate & Meghan Relationship Thread
Post by: Alexandrine on January 15, 2019, 03:30:05 pm
 :sorry:


Title: Re: Kate & Meghan Relationship Thread
Post by: YooperModerator on January 15, 2019, 03:44:15 pm
^  :hug: 


Title: Re: Kate & Meghan Relationship Thread
Post by: Kuei Fei on January 15, 2019, 04:20:10 pm
I think it is kind of relevant in the context that Kate never worked, Meg did for a long time, and frankly Meg is being painted as some brazen hussy for having had a career while Kate is being painted as some prim/proper type that like Diana, was from a more sheltered background. Ever since Meg came on the scene, Kate has been painted as a retiring, proper English rose who never drank anything stronger than tea and was never outside the confines of either the poshest part of London or the cool country comfort of her family''s Berkshire estate. That isn't the truth at all and frankly I dislike how Kate is becoming more virginal by the week ever since Meg came on the scene.

Kate is not prim and proper because she never worked and I don't like how women who have never worked are being portrayed as virginal and proper and I dislike how Kate is being idolized for being like a typical royal princess, despite the fact that with her past of bar hopping and flashing, that she is so much holier than the rest of us. If she had not gotten that ring, she would be at a point where she would be a national punching bag and she would be openly derided and insulted. At this point in time, she has changed her image, but I will never forget the fact that she looks down on honest work. Meg worked and made her own way, as expected.

An employer can be better than a husband if the husband is abusive and the wife either can't or won't leave. She can quit a job and look elsewhere. Depending on a man for support does not always turn out well. And sometimes men are supported by their wives when they lose their jobs.  how else can a family afford to get their children educated and provide the best for them. If the woman wants to be supported by the man and the income is halved she is clearly not thinking of the children.
The days of the fifties are long gone.

Even in the fifties, a wife was taken care of, but in exchange, she was expected to be a virgin, all the more so if the future wife as a candidate as being a princess. As for abusers, yes, that was frequent. My own grandmother left my paternal grandfather because he was abusive and she started out as a wife/mother only. He was not faithful as well and she was willing to forgo major wealth and status so her kids would be able to grow up in a safe, stable place. Any guy who supports his wife will resent it in a while and he will dislike having the wife sit around all day and these days, being a housewife is not the same at all.

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Carole certainly bought into the modern career for women philosophy since she herself worked for a living and made money for her family and her husband worked as well and supported the business enterprise.  Oddly enough she bought into the fifties philosophy of the degree in Mrs or a woman latching herself to a rich man for security and not being bothered to learn a trade or work.

For some reason, Carole I think has a lot of self loathing issues and hates herself for working and making her way up. For some reason she seems to think that women at the top have it easy, but in their own way, upper class women paid a high price for their status and material wealth. There is ALWAYS a price to pay in this world.

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Oh royal women are career women. If the Queen Mum were around today she'd explain it in no uncertain terms. She was consort and was dedicated to her work as Queen Consort. She accompanied her husband to London to see the results of the bombings during WW II and spoke individually to people affected by it. To me that is hard work not sitting around the palace being a housewife. Queen Alexandra was a beloved consort because she gave back and visited her charities diligently, she was not well and was lame and deaf but that did not stop her. It's a whole lot more than "showing up."
Kate would do well to read about her predecessors to learn from example. As would Meghan in her role as wife of the second son.

In regards to Meg, she's doing more in her first year than Kate did in two or even three years of marriage. She's getting to know people and she's being seen. She's also just starting out and she's doing more speeches and doing a lot more than just mooching around and suing the press. For someone who has been new, she's doing a lot more and making the most of her appearances. She is at least working and that is more than Meg is doing.

As for Queen Mary and Alexandra and the Queen Mother, no one has broken more new ground than Queen Mary. She created charity as a career and she did the best thing and it gave royal women a reason to look forward to waking up. Charity work and appearances have always been a great outlet for women and have always been   a reason for them to get up in the mornings and not be miserable. In fact, charity work has been the way for upper class women all the time. Fact is, that Kate is being LESS upper class by being idle than she is being upper class. For someone who imitates upper class traits, Kate is woefully inaccurate.

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Kate was not assured of a marriage to William nor was there any formal betrothal obligating them to marry. He was looking around and trying to find someone else during cooling off periods and the breakup. He humiliated Kate by getting photographed with his arms around two women, and groping one of them in the photo and looking worse for wear. I think had he not been who he was Kate would have dumped him.

Exactly; I think from 2005 to 2007 Kate was acting like it was inevitable and treated the situation accordingly, trying to get the palace to pay attention to her and I think she was so pretentious, showing up at his Passing Out dressed like it was a formal engagement and shaking hands and introducing herself. She never met HM at that point and it was kicking into high gear that an engagement was right around the corner. Then there was the 2007 breakup and I think that was William's way of delivering a smack-down that Kate deserved. He never owed her anything and he never should have been subjected to that kind of pressure.


Title: Re: Kate & Meghan Relationship Thread
Post by: YooperModerator on January 15, 2019, 04:39:28 pm
^Not really, KF.  It was going all over the map.  Your post could've been condensed to "Meg understands work, Kate doesn't."


Title: Re: Kate & Meghan Relationship Thread
Post by: misanthrocrat on January 15, 2019, 06:06:23 pm
MM did not have the choice to avoid the career path for personal advancement as KM did from the beginning, courtesy her parents.
This is not good or bad - it just is.

MM's father helped to the best of his abilities to open doors for her for a "career" in Hollywood; but he could not fully sponsor her like the Midds to allow her to live her life and just search for a top marriage.
It was also sheer randomness, time and place. The Midds managed to get in close quarters with PW at just the right time.

That being said, Hollywood "careers" are often nothing else but the lives of glorified liars who get paid to play pretend.
I don't see that as heavy, tedious, serious value-adding work just like being a royal isn't that either.

My argument in this whole MM-KM comparison is that a "career", in and of itself, does not automatically sanctify a woman. (A)
Likewise, relying on a good marriage to build a good life does not automatically vilify a woman either. (B)

You can "work" for a husband just as much as you can work for an employer. As long as you pull your weight in some way.

More often than not, women pick the career path because they do not have the option to advance via a top marriage (B).
As KF correctly pointed out, it is often necessary so they do what they gotta do.
Carole Midd worked because she had to in order to advance. That doesn't mean she wouldn't want a life for her daughter where she didn't have to.

The argument that rich husbands can be abusive and leave their wives whereas employers cannot is a major fallacy.
In fact, employers are way more likely to be abusive and not care an iota about how employees feel (via toxic, hyper competitive, high pressure, bullying-infested work environments) and much more likely to send the woman out the door (via firing, restructuring, etc).
Of course, a rich husband can be abusive and leave a woman too -  but this is nothing a nice divorce settlement can't take care of in our days. Contrary to popular opinion, most rich men are neither abusive nor bent on leaving their wives. Some do, of course - but then they pay for what they chose to do. Heavily.
 
This is not about the 1950's and historical fashions. Its about being in touch with how reality works, above and beyond ideologies.

In our time, a smart and wise woman and her family ideally aim for a traditional marriage arrangement with a top man (if they can) but prepare for a modern one (career or parental wealth) if plan A does not work.
The Midds did it.

The fact that MM first "worked" (at being what? a "look-at-me"-er?)  is irrelevant.
She had no other choice if she wanted to move up in the world... and boy, did she!
Had she had KM's opportunities, including the kind of parental props KM had, she would have done the same.
Just like the vast majority of women would do if they had KM's chances.

    


Title: Re: Kate & Meghan Relationship Thread
Post by: sandy on January 15, 2019, 06:13:36 pm
Acting is a very competitive career. I know of people who wanted to go into acting, one did advance to stage set work and he is happy with that.  For those who do "nothing" they get a tremendous salary and classic actors go all the way back to Shakespeare's day. And classic film stars are household names. It is nothing to sneeze at. IMO. If you don't think it's difficult, then maybe talk to people who tried and failed or to those who earn a living at it.

Abuse in a marriage is no fallacy. It is real. Why do you think shelters are available for women?

I would think a woman would look for a good man who loves and respects her. Top men can be creeps too.

I think women today are ambitious and don't go for degrees in MRS anymore. Like Rose's mother in Titanic:  Women go to University to find a husband, Rose already found hers (the rich fiance that Rose loathed).


That said. I think having done steady work is a help rather than a hindrance to Meghan and to Kate it set up a bad habit of not working much.


Title: Re: Kate & Meghan Relationship Thread
Post by: misanthrocrat on January 15, 2019, 06:27:37 pm
A competitive career doesn't mean a value adding career worthy of respect.
I am talking about the object of work here and how much good it brings to the world, not a bout how people compete to catch such a cushy situation in life (being a spoilt movie star).

Abuse in marriage is real. It certainly exists. But it is the exception, not the rule. Not even by far as frequent as the ideology of the "self-reliant modern woman" would have everyone believe. Typically you don't see ex-wives of rich men in shelters. You may see them divorced and taken care of financially for all eternity. But not in shelters. I am  not sure how we got from the KM-MM parallel to discussing the lives of typically modest-background women who sometimes end up with low echelon guys and beaten as a result.
Appealing to exceptions while ignoring the rule in order to justify a certain arrangement is not a credible strategy. But it worked for feminists! So hey, why not.

Top men CAN be creeps too - with "can" being the operative word. More often, they are not.
This is why they are top, to begin with.
Poor and average men are even more likely to be creeps, statistically speaking.  

 


Title: Re: Kate & Meghan Relationship Thread
Post by: sandy on January 15, 2019, 06:36:48 pm
A woman does not "work for" her husband. It is a marriage not employment. It puts women in a weird area if they "work for" husbands.

The "exception" covers a large number of women. It is not just a handful of women.

All the statistics in the world do not cover if rich men are bad people or not. It all depends and this never appears in census data.

Meghan was in a competitive profession. Period.


"Ruth: The purpose of university is to find a suitable husband. Rose has already done that. " (this was from someone based in 1912)


Title: Re: Kate & Meghan Relationship Thread
Post by: misanthrocrat on January 15, 2019, 06:51:34 pm
^ When a woman stays at home and provides domestic services and support to her family, including husband, she DOES work for her family - including husband.
In fact husband is the one bringing in the financial support for the entire family, wife included. He pays her.  
So yes, there IS a built-in economic relationship there too, in addition to the romantic, emotional one. The two are economic partners and collaborators just like an employer and an employee are economic collaborators.

The rule covers a spectacularly larger number than the exception. Which makes the absolute numbers of the exception largely irrelevant.
It is wise to set up life with "the rule" in mind, not the exception. One should certainly plan and provision for the exception, just in case the smelly hits the fan - but try to arrange life based on the rule. Simply because that scenario is much more likely to happen.

The number of people who died in plane crashes over time is quite large and the results were heartbreaking. Yet people do not plan their lives around avoiding air travel.

I am not sure how MM entering a "competitive profession" is relevant.

KM entered an even more "competitive profession", earlier. That of princess.
People here have asserted that being a royal is an actual career. By this logic, KM was even  more successful and earlier.
Something being "competitive" doesn't make it good, useful or worthy of respect.  Being a drug overlord is very competitive too.

      


Title: Re: Kate & Meghan Relationship Thread
Post by: misanthrocrat on January 15, 2019, 07:00:22 pm
^^ Sorry for the double post.
This is fun, but I think we're veering off again and the mods will scold us again for too much back-and-forth-ing. :)
 


Title: Re: Kate & Meghan Relationship Thread
Post by: sandy on January 15, 2019, 07:03:48 pm


Meghan had a steady job. Kate did not. She could not live on what she earned in Jigsaw part time. Meghan supported herself.

A princess is not a "profession" . If it were it would be in the Occupational Outook Handbook. Royals have work that they are expected to do especially senior royals.

Try telling an actor or actress his or her job is the same as a drug overlord, competition wise. And drug overlords get arrested in their trade. I never saw a stage actor being busted by the police for acting.


Title: Re: Kate & Meghan Relationship Thread
Post by: Miss Hathaway on January 15, 2019, 07:52:08 pm
^  Welllll. . . Megs married Trevor and he helped support her and helped her get a supporting role on a cable channel.  When she thought she had it made, she dumped him, but then had to run off Cory's gf and move in with him.... untillll she found a prince.   So, it seems that Megs has always needed a man to help her out.  Megs had nothing in the way of material possessions -- no real estate, no bank account -- she isn't as successful as you think she is, KF.  And she will be less successful after this royal gig is over.   I think she has the worst of it between her and Kate.


Title: Re: Kate & Meghan Relationship Thread
Post by: sandy on January 15, 2019, 08:07:34 pm
Meghan still had a steady job, married or not.

The husband could not audition for meghan. She had to audition herself.

How is it known that Meghan had no bank account? That's supposed to be confidential. And people do rent homes these days.

Kate OTOH had no steady work and lived off her parents.


Title: Re: Kate & Meghan Relationship Thread
Post by: Fly on the wall on January 28, 2019, 03:48:23 pm
EXCLUSIVE: Kensington Palace is battling shocking online abuse aimed at Duchesses and their fans
Kensington Palace staff are spending hours each week moderating sexist and racist comments directed at the Duchesses of Cambridge and Sussex, HELLO! can exclusively reveal. A handful have made violent threats towards the two women, while others are targeting 'rival' fans for vicious personal abuse. This news, along with a rise in abusive comments aimed at Kate, Meghan and their fans left on our own social channels has prompted HELLO! to launch the #HelloToKindness campaign, championing positivity online.

A source told HELLO!, "The Palace has always monitored comments but it’s a hugely time consuming thing. They can block certain words, but some of it is quite serious. Over the course of last year, with hundreds of thousands of comments, there were two or three that were violent threats. You can delete and report and block people and the police have options around particular people. It’s something you have to manage because there’s no other way to control it."

https://www.hellomagazine.com/healthandbeauty/health-and-fitness/2019012867058/kensington-palace-online-abuse-meghan-markle-kate-middleton-exclusive/


Both Meghan and kate fans take things too far


Title: Re: Kate & Meghan Relationship Thread
Post by: misanthrocrat on January 28, 2019, 04:27:55 pm
^ Some people are just perfect idiots. 


Title: Re: Kate & Meghan Relationship Thread
Post by: sandy on January 28, 2019, 05:07:22 pm
The DM likes numbers and they like Clickbait. Their publishing this is absurd.


Title: Re: Kate & Meghan Relationship Thread
Post by: Alexandrine on January 28, 2019, 06:09:56 pm
^ isnt this from hello?


Title: Re: Kate & Meghan Relationship Thread
Post by: Fly on the wall on January 28, 2019, 06:38:26 pm
yes it is the DM just piggyback from the Hello article


Title: Re: Kate & Meghan Relationship Thread
Post by: Ariel on January 31, 2019, 07:51:04 am
https://skippyisheretostay.tumblr.com/post/182443388328/megymegs-many-times-you-guys-have-asked-me-when

pure jealousy and h8 from Megan Markle towards Kate. Pics don't lie.


Title: Re: Kate & Meghan Relationship Thread
Post by: sanka on January 31, 2019, 08:10:05 am
^ Agree that those pictures don't lie.

It is clear about MM's feelings towards KM.


Title: Re: Kate & Meghan Relationship Thread
Post by: Miss Hathaway on January 31, 2019, 01:06:06 pm
There is another photo like this of when they all four were on the stage after Harry and Meggles had announced their engagement.  Megs is a narcissist and they can be very scary people.  Megs wants to be Kate -- very SWF and scary.


Title: Re: Kate & Meghan Relationship Thread
Post by: AnaBolena on January 31, 2019, 02:56:34 pm
https://skippyisheretostay.tumblr.com/post/182443388328/megymegs-many-times-you-guys-have-asked-me-when

pure jealousy and h8 from Megan Markle towards Kate. Pics don't lie.

Wow, I’ve never seen maliciously evil displayed so obviously.  That’s downright spooky scary  :nervous:


Title: Re: Kate & Meghan Relationship Thread
Post by: sandy on January 31, 2019, 04:31:12 pm
one photograph proves she is "evil".? Kate is the one who invented the death stares. I don't get why anybody would be jealous of Kate.


Title: Re: Kate & Meghan Relationship Thread
Post by: LadySnowWhite on January 31, 2019, 11:09:05 pm
Or maybe Meghan just feels about Kate the way many, if not most, of us here do.


Title: Re: Kate & Meghan Relationship Thread
Post by: india on February 01, 2019, 01:58:59 am
Kate, The Stalker, is not a nice person. She has no women friends other than her controller The Viper and Leatherette her sister. Kate is renown for her evil psycho staring at females. IMHO, I wouldn't call the  look Meghan gave the psycho a form of jealously.


Title: Re: Kate & Meghan Relationship Thread
Post by: misanthrocrat on February 01, 2019, 04:57:01 am
one photograph proves she is "evil".? Kate is the one who invented the death stares. I don't get why anybody would be jealous of Kate.

Pictures?...
Without - it's all anecdotes and speculation.


Title: Re: Kate & Meghan Relationship Thread
Post by: Val on February 01, 2019, 12:15:05 pm
^^

Bewilderment at how such a non personality, average in the looks department, lacking in warmth and charm person could have wormed her way in.  Well we know don't we - it was the viper and her business plan.


Title: Re: Kate & Meghan Relationship Thread
Post by: livylivy on February 01, 2019, 02:36:53 pm
^^
http://ytimg.googleusercontent.com/vi/mrRwPTxCeYI/hqdefault.jpg

https://ksassets.timeincuk.net/wp/uploads/sites/46/2011/05/Kate-Middleton-crop13.jpg

http://s2.glbimg.com/1WHUaPVXQ_wkJYJgeWeZZrZu8Qc=/620x466/top/e.glbimg.com/og/ed/f/original/2017/07/13/dejynwzxcae-so3.jpg

When she' s not on the limelight

https://cdn.newsapi.com.au/image/v1/dfee99b46879ef76e2711a86be2f6393


You can find thoisands of pics if you look for them; even on this forum there are plenty


Title: Re: Kate & Meghan Relationship Thread
Post by: india on February 01, 2019, 02:57:23 pm
Kate , The Stalker, is one rough looking woman. Look at her without all the photoshopping. Her jowls and cheeks are unbelievable. They look like a pair of pork loin chops that are sliding down her face. Her neck is an entity within itself: collapsing like a 90 year old woman's with more horizontal lines that increase daily. Her pock mark craters on her forehead along with her deep lines are rarely seen on a 37 year old. Her nonexistent lips spread over her way too large fake tombstone teeth when she goes into her maniacal laughing and grinning......I believe she does this in an attempt to jack up her collapsing/melting face. And The Hair. Good Gawd Almighty. Masses of It. So Fake. Extensions and Wiglets with embarrassing sausage curls. This is obviously a failed attempt to look younger than her reputed age and to deflect from her sagging old person face. If Meghan was staring intensely at her whenever then that is the reason why.


Title: Re: Kate & Meghan Relationship Thread
Post by: sandy on February 01, 2019, 03:34:33 pm
She really looks angry here and at William.

https://www.google.com/search?q=kate+middleton+looking+angry&tbm=isch&source=iu&ictx=1&fir=kOBMRuqx-CzPOM%253A%252CKZ_blmKOWVvI3M%252C_&usg=AI4_-kQHK1pfTfZbYXrFHTcvE5WhNDFShg&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwi9qKf27ZrgAhVth-AKHYwgBv0Q9QEwAXoECAQQBg#imgrc=kOBMRuqx-CzPOM:


Title: Re: Kate & Meghan Relationship Thread
Post by: Miss Hathaway on February 01, 2019, 03:44:28 pm
^^ ^I don't think Kate's looks at Camilla or her sister are in the same category as Meggles' looks at Kate.  Kate will be in Camilla's position in the not-too-distant future, so Kate has no need to be jealous of her. One of those photos is Camilla and Kate at Meggles' "wedding" -- and they were probably commiserating about the fact that the "wedding" was coming off.   Whereas -- to keep this post on the topic -- Meggles is a narcissist who wants to be in Kate's position.  Meggles will never be in Kate's position.  She knows it.  She wants to be Kate in the way narcissists do.  Very SWF.

^^ It's been a while since Kate has worn the extensions and sausage curls.  She has changed over the last couple of years.  I was not happy with William's choice of a wife; however, I do see that things are different with both William and Kate and since I like the British Monarchy and would like to see it continue, I hope William and Kate get it together.

But -- to get back on topic -- Kate is smart to stay away from Megs.  Megs is pure trouble for Kate . . . everyone else, as well -- but particularly Kate.


Title: Re: Kate & Meghan Relationship Thread
Post by: sandy on February 01, 2019, 03:55:44 pm
I hope the time does not come that soon.

I don't see how anyone would be jealous of kate.

How is it known that Kate "stays away" from Meghan? Because the DM says so? I don't believe the gossip. Kate would have to be a terrible snob to treat a family member that way, and she was born a commoner like meghan

Supposedly Kate was looking askance at Camilla. I don't think they are close. Kate and Meghan will have to both watch their backs with treacherous Camilla who can knife people in the back so to speak. Best scenario would be Kate and Meghan having a united front against Camilla.

I don't think Meghan is a narcissist. Only people who never liked her think that way as far as I am concerned.


Title: Re: Kate & Meghan Relationship Thread
Post by: MOSAIC on February 01, 2019, 05:54:16 pm

Good points Sandy.  Looking at that photograph of Kate and Camilla I think KM was upset that Harry married anyone whether Meghan, Cressida or Chelsy.
She just can't stand it, much less cope with it. Very nasty woman, Katie no-mates, who'd trust her?


Title: Re: Kate & Meghan Relationship Thread
Post by: Alexandrine on February 01, 2019, 06:55:15 pm
Meghan leaked that blind item that ended on Lainey. Kate ignored her at that time. One thing Will must have disliked. She was talking about them, it ended in the press and it made Kate look bad.


Title: Re: Kate & Meghan Relationship Thread
Post by: MOSAIC on February 01, 2019, 07:24:06 pm

What's new?  Kate doesn't even need to try.


Title: Re: Kate & Meghan Relationship Thread
Post by: Fly on the wall on February 05, 2019, 03:06:05 am
So TLC doing Meghan and Kate princess at war ? Feb 5
 I cant believe they doing that they should have at least give it 10 years for it to be any good and for more info ,and not the fluff piece they putting out



Title: Re: Kate & Meghan Relationship Thread
Post by: misanthrocrat on February 06, 2019, 03:23:12 am

I don't see how anyone would be jealous of kate.


Really - anyone?
I can easily see it.


Title: Re: Kate & Meghan Relationship Thread
Post by: sandy on February 06, 2019, 03:26:04 am
Maybe in the fifties she would be praiseworthy. But she is no role model. Women who do something with their own lives instead of waiting for a ring are the ones looked up to in this day and age IMO.

She seemed to have insecurity issues giving death stares to women who even spoke to William. I don't see how anybody can be jealous of her. She has a social climbing mother which can't always be a pleasant thing. I can easily see why others would not be jealous of her.


Title: Re: Kate & Meghan Relationship Thread
Post by: misanthrocrat on February 06, 2019, 04:05:27 am
Maybe in the fifties she would be praiseworthy. But she is no role model. Women who do something with their own lives instead of waiting for a ring are the ones looked up to in this day and age IMO.

She seemed to have insecurity issues giving death stares to women who even spoke to William. I don't see how anybody can be jealous of her. She has a social climbing mother which can't always be a pleasant thing. I can easily see why others would not be jealous of her.

Who exactly decides when roles models change? In the 50's she would have been a role model, but not now. Says who?

I will take the liberty to suggest a modification to your proposition. Readers can agree or disagree, of course.  

"Women who insist a career is THE ONLY way for a 21st century woman to "do something with her life" are the ones the media and academic conglomerates portray as THE ONLY female role models anyone could and should look up to.

Despite intense and largely successful propaganda, many women continue to understand that "doing something with one's own life" comes in many different forms today - of which "waiting for a ring", as KM did, then placing family at the center of one's life, is not only a perfectly viable option, but one that can turn into one of the most pleasant and fulfilling lives a woman could experience. Especially if they waited for the right ring.
  
The implication that a woman who chooses to focus on her domestic/private life is a woman who "has done nothing with her life" because she did not have a career is simply incorrect. Her family is her career. In this respect, KM is a "just fine" role model.
Whatever she does with her charities is not a "career" of her own. Neither is what MM does or any other royal - despite what some of them would have us believe.  
KM also does charities as the wife of a future king.

All of them do whatever they do as members of the royal FAMILY. They represent the family and work on its behalf. They do not have personal carers.
All of them do about the same thing as a stay-at-home mom does who volunteers her time at the local school - only on a much grander scale.
Such a person does not have a "career" of her own - but this doesn't mean she is doing nothing with her life.  

Many 21st century women secretely dream of being able to "do nothing with their lives" in this manner - if "nothing" means being able to work for one's own family and being spared of the rat race, aging in a cubicle and working for an employer or customers (aka someone else) when they'd rather be somewhere else, doing something else.
Like, say...being at home with one's children. What a concept.  


Title: Re: Kate & Meghan Relationship Thread
Post by: LadySnowWhite on February 06, 2019, 08:40:14 am
At the risk of being off topic at this point - I think the problem is not what you have described, but rather that she is a poor role model for anyone because before her family, she did not do much of anything. She slacked off in pretty much every area of her life, except sports and tagging along with a man who disrespected her many times with cheating, dumping her, and speaking to her poorly (no I don't have time to get all the articles). Then of course, is the question of how much she actually does for her family  with at least 3 nannies and a house full of staff.

That to me is why she is a poor role model, not because she is a career-less stay at home mother.


Title: Re: Kate & Meghan Relationship Thread
Post by: Fly on the wall on February 06, 2019, 02:03:42 pm
Now in this generation the Millennials what Kate did is fine with them it's all about #secure the bag. You can be doing nothing all in your 20s/ 30s once you snag a rich man and get him to put a ring on it that's# goals .they did the same with Meghan when the engagement news came out  # secure the bag # goals. Yeah she was doing her own thing before Harry ,but no getting a rich man to marry you that's goals


Title: Re: Kate & Meghan Relationship Thread
Post by: misanthrocrat on February 06, 2019, 05:38:13 pm
^^ Before she got married she was in college. She completed her education, she did sports, whatever.
Then she worked a few years for her family's business - perfectly valid option, if one has it. During this time she also concentrated on marrying well.
Sounds perfectly active, engaged and focused to me.

I am not sure why a woman's life today must look like a frantic, super-busy mess, usually in the form of working for someone else -  in order to be considered "valid".
By whom?  

^This is not just  a millenial thing. It may be compared to very recent generations - but in the large scheme of history, this is the NORMAL female thing.
Due to their reproductive roles, women's "thing" has always been about #secure the bag # goals.

As there are variouus options today to get to that goal, many follow the career route to ensure #secure the bag#, often because they have no other immediate choice. Few truly love a profession, and quite a few like the socializing parts of working outside the home.

Yet many still follow the traditional model. They look to marry well, especially when they feel this is plausible, then are able to focus on their woman thing
(marriage, children, household, private life - with the very rich also socializing via charity).

I know it is now what we want to hear today because it does not fit the ideology du jour - but it is the perennial "woman thing".  Whether we  like it or not.


Title: Re: Kate & Meghan Relationship Thread
Post by: Alexandrine on February 06, 2019, 06:52:05 pm
Woman had to do that because it was the only way for them. It was not a choice it was their only way. And most of the few jobs they were allowed to do made them pariahs of society.

It was not so long ago that there were discussions about if woman had a soul or not.

Kate used her freedom to catch Will. But if he wasnt a future king would she have done so?

And all of them traded their freedom to live in a golden bowl. Would have they done so if it wasnt for power status and money?

I do not think it is a woman thing anymore either. It is more closed to what Fly says. Now woman can have a lot of money so some men will go after them to have a life they couldnt have without them. And really the economy is what it is. Marrying rich is like winning the lottery.




Title: Re: Kate & Meghan Relationship Thread
Post by: sandy on February 06, 2019, 07:22:56 pm
OK, but the woman lands the rich man and look how some of these "great" marriages have turned out: Elin Woods found her husband a philanderer over their family Thankgiving; Mrs Bezos found out he was having an affair, Trumps first two wives were dumped; the Rockefellers had turbulent marriages. The woman is "changed" for someone younger when the man reaches middle age. It does not guarantee eternal bliss for a woman to "land" a rich man.

and to misanthrocat:Why is a fulfilling career a "mess" for a woman. Sorry I don't get that. I would suggest a new book for you to read called The Skills which talks about women and careers. It's an eye opener.

And it has become a necessity for families. The wife works to help bring money into the  household.If the wife does not want to hold a job then it would be one income and the children would not have the advantages of money set aside for their futures. And sometimes a one income household is not enough. And sometimes when a man gets laid off, the wife needs to continue working. Life is not a fantasy of the wife not working. It is the real world now.


It is not ideology it is real world reality. the days of Donna Reed Show and Father Knows Best are gone with the wind.


Title: Re: Kate & Meghan Relationship Thread
Post by: LadySnowWhite on February 06, 2019, 10:26:13 pm
^^ Before she got married she was in college. She completed her education, she did sports, whatever.
Then she worked a few years for her family's business - perfectly valid option, if one has it. During this time she also concentrated on marrying well.
Sounds perfectly active, engaged and focused to me.

I am not sure why a woman's life today must look like a frantic, super-busy mess, usually in the form of working for someone else -  in order to be considered "valid".
By whom?  



Some students came forward to say she used their notes and cheated and slacked off in college as well. And since then, she did not even utilize her degree.

That she worked for her family's business is questionable. She was photographed only a couple times near their place of business (but many times falling out of clubs, and it was claimed she could not work in the community because the paparazzi attention would be too hectic.) Also, she was supposed to have done photographic and catalogue work - however, someone else was credited with this on the Party Pieces website. Never Kate.
Then, when Pippa was speaking with the press, they asked her what Kate did for the family business. Pippa fumbled and mumbled and could not answer.

(I do realize I have not provided any articles, but I don't have the time to get them all, and I don't care if that somehow invalidates everything I say. The information is out there and probably not too hard to find.)

I also don't know why a woman's life today must look like a frantic busy mess. I never said it had to - I don't think in extremes.
In fact, I think the glamourization of frantic busy should end.

Anyways back to the topic - I don't think either Meghan or Kate would have had anything to do with their husbands had neither of them been a Prince or wealthy or well-connected. But I do think Meghan has passions prior to beyond who she is romantically linked to, and that is the one thing she has a leg up on Kate.


Title: Re: Kate & Meghan Relationship Thread
Post by: Rosella on February 06, 2019, 11:24:21 pm
Kate's life was never frantic or busy. She supposedly worked for a short time at Party Pieces but she couldn't have been too busy there. She photographed some of the sales items for catalogues and flyers. She supposedly began a child wear line that never got off the ground. There were rumours that she was going to work at a famous photographer's studio or a few galleries. Nothing eventuated.

 The Queen supposedly asked 'What does Kate Do?' and so a job at Jigsaw was supposedly custom made for her. It was parttime. This was where she worked when William apparently broke up with her by phone during one of their split ups. She left Jigsaw shortly after that as she 'needed time to herself'.

https://www.vogue.co.uk/article/kate-middleton-quits-fashion


Title: Re: Kate & Meghan Relationship Thread
Post by: Alexandrine on February 07, 2019, 09:34:47 am
I disagree  :tehe: I think you are thinking of the past with rosy glasses. My country made that kind of life an obligation to women until 1975. My mother couldnt even have a bank account without her father permission or her husband later. Imagine what that meant if your family or husband was abusive. And of course divorce didnt exist.

I cant imagine how mamy wonderful thinkers, doctors or inventors we have lost through the ages because woman were not consideres intellectually capable of such feats or they are only role was having kids.

We should appreciate it that we have freedom to choose the path we like.


Title: Re: Kate & Meghan Relationship Thread
Post by: LadySnowWhite on February 07, 2019, 11:26:47 am
If you can do better than most women and marry well, so being forced to have a "career" will never be an issue - then DO SO.

And this is why KM is a wonderful role model.

I hope my daughter pays attention. 

Certainly - my mother is one who did. And I wouldn't be entirely opposed myself to be a homemaker (though I have a sincerely fullfilling career at the moment and perhaps I'd choose to keep working part-time, it depends). I also support men who prefer to be homemakers. The "homemaker" role is not at all shameful!


The problem is that Kate "married well" in exchange for a disrespectful, cheating, and rude man for the several years of waiting and "focus" while neglecting to pursue any other interests - and it is questionable how much she "works" for her family considering the number of staff she has.  So no, not a role model.

What have women invented in all these years since they've been doing the "career" thing?  Office gossip and back stabbing?


Hahaha. Oh, jeez. And I'm backing slowly away from this discussion. Have fun, guys!


Title: Re: Kate & Meghan Relationship Thread
Post by: Joanna on February 07, 2019, 02:41:22 pm
^^^I completely disagree. Ever since I remembre existing, all I ever wanted to be is a doctor, the sheer joy it brings me and how whole I feel, can't be matched by anything else. It means much more to me than getting married.

 For almost 900 years, and until 1974, in my country women were completely subjugated by men, and by the constraints society imposed on all women, regardless of their social class. Until 1974 where a women couldn't vote without the permission of her husband, couldn't work without his express permission, couldn't have a bank account, couldn't travel abroad, and couldn't travel abroad alone with her children if she was without her husband's permission. Very few were university graduates (my granny was one of them). They had to be single if they wanted to be nurses or primary school teachers. Women who were doctors for exampel could be counted by the fingers in one hand, and even then had very conditioned access to some specialties. Before the XXth century, life was indeed a very grim prison for any woman.


I can't believe the pure misogyny and machism I'm reading.


Title: Re: Kate & Meghan Relationship Thread
Post by: sandy on February 07, 2019, 03:31:17 pm
I totally agree Joanna. And women today are encouraged to have their own careers and not just live for a man to marry them and provide for them.

misanthrocat you keep saying the "majority of women" want this or that. You just don't have the statistics to back that up. Maybe in countries where women are second class citizens and have little else to do but marry perhaps so. But UK and USA and many other countries encourage women to work. What would happen if a woman had NO skills and her husband divorced her and left her little to support herself. She would be up a creek. Woman are not chattel anymore.

Misanthrocat I don't get why you consider work "horrible" for women. Women graduate with Law Degrees and other advanced degrees and are proud and their families are proud of their achievements. And believe it or not some women like their jobs. And believe it or not some women don't like to just sit home and be subject to a man's whims and "work for him."


Title: Re: Kate & Meghan Relationship Thread
Post by: YooperModerator on February 07, 2019, 03:58:43 pm
Ok.  Enough.  Back on topic.  YM


Title: Re: Kate & Meghan Relationship Thread
Post by: Joanna on February 07, 2019, 04:08:33 pm

I still don't see what Kate and Meghan's relationship has got to do with this. Kate chose to be a housewife, that's fine, it's her choice, but to some of us, it doesn't say well of the structure of her character that she stayed at Willliam's beck and call and did zero with her life before that. She centered her life around a men who constantly belittled and humiliated her. Meghan on the other hand, did work, they chose two completely different paths, but I don't think it's necessarily because of their choices career wise that they naturally don't get along, it's more likely that those differences occur in spite of that, because they have different character, personalities, and two completely different communication styles. Meghan is much more eloquent and she tends to be very adamant about certain things (I'm not going into  the aspects about how she chooses to be eloquent and the nature of what she chooses to say, or wheather she's right or not, you all know I'm not a fan of neither of them, I'm just saying that she's naturally more eloquent, especially on topics she decided to focus on, whereas Kate, even in aspects she sould be much more eloquent than she actually seems to be, besides Meghan projects more warmth (wheather it's fake or not is another topic) than Kate, and that may endear to the public more than Kate, but the principle differences between them go way beyond this, and seem to be related to their very own nature.


Title: Re: Kate & Meghan Relationship Thread
Post by: Miss Hathaway on February 07, 2019, 04:40:27 pm
As I see it, Kate and Megs do not have -- nor will they ever have -- a relationship.   :eightball:


Title: Re: Kate & Meghan Relationship Thread
Post by: misanthrocrat on February 07, 2019, 05:10:19 pm
The above discussion has A LOT to do with Megahn's and Kate's relationship - which has been presented to the public as fraught with problems because they symbolize two very different types of women - the traditional and the modern, respectively.


MM took the "career" path originally because she had to. She wanted to advance, she was ambitious, yet she was a nobody. Like most women.
The moment she had the chance to marry well (in this case, insanely well) - she made her move. She continues to play the modern woman for virtue signaling purposes(note the cultural ethos of our time from the reactions above), even though every little bit of her life is the life of a traditional woman with tons of resources.

She is everything she is at this moment because of a MAN. Very well positioned man. And she was everything she was before ALSO because of a man (her father opening doors in Hollywood). This is a fact.

KM did not take the career path because she didn't have to. Her parents were rich and she could skip the career part by focusing on marrying spectacularly.
Many women in the 21st century who have the resources or good marriage prospects to NOT take the career path, despite graduating with degrees and being very well educated, overall - do just so. And there is not one single darn thing wrong with that.    

KM could afford to stay on the traditional path which is very much preferred by women when they have enough resources already.

Yes, there are plenty of statistics to support my argument but I will not waste my time providing tedious research with links for an audience that has already made up its mind. Plus we're banned from further exploring the topic, per mods.

I will just have to reiterate that the occasional female doctor, lawyer, etc, who lives for her profession doesn't change the reality of MOST women.
Statistically, most women are NOT doctors, lawyers or other classical professions. And even most such women would NOT keep their professions if they stepped into gold. Many female doctors and lawyers would happily quit the hassles of 9-5 and a lot more, if they suddenly came into massive wealth.
It's funny how women such as...I don't know... Michelle Obama?... are not exactly called back by the "Law" siren once they made their wealth. They do "charity" instead (not a career, btw).    
  
For this reason, I find KM to be an excellent alternative role model to those women whose calling in life is to put their family and private life first, if they can afford it. (Yes, that includes their very much not-cheating husbands). If the husband cheats, there's money to collect at the end of that road - and based on current western laws, not little. Ms. Bezos, having been presented here as a cautionary tale here - just know I am crying a river for her. 
The situation of women in western nations is not the same as that of women in various other parts of the world; but that is a different chapter which does not apply to KM or MM as these two are western women.
    
Generally speaking, the fact that domestically-oriented women like KM are shamelessly shamed today (it's OK to be a SAHM but...) is highly problematic and a major distortion of how the female brain is wired (yes, there's research on this).  

On my end, neither can I believe the levels of misandry when I read that most men, including Prince William, are presented as lying, cheating, humiliating abusers. :sigh:
Well, actually, I take that back. I CAN believe it - but I don't buy it.   :thankyou:



Title: Re: Kate & Meghan Relationship Thread
Post by: sandy on February 07, 2019, 05:43:43 pm
As I see it, Kate and Megs do not have -- nor will they ever have -- a relationship.   :eightball:

I think neither trusts other women but they will be polite to each other.

misan, women doctors and executives and attorneys  are more than "occasional" now. Kate did not have to work does not mean that she should not have.

KM is not a housewife she's supposed to work as a senior royal. Like her predecessors. If she wanted to be Jane Housewife she should have married Lord X and lived on an estate with servants. She was not "shamed" for marrying up but "shamed" for her poor work ethic which a senior royal is supposed to have.

And in this day and age it's not unusual for a wife to earn more money than her husband.


Title: Re: Kate & Meghan Relationship Thread
Post by: misanthrocrat on February 07, 2019, 07:34:28 pm
^Women doctors and layers continue to make up a small percentage of the female population, just like male doctors and lawyers make up a small % of the male population. But it is even smaller for women.
Most women, just like most men, do not spend their lives in "fulfilling careers". They spend their lives doing what they gotta do. 
Therefore, when people invoke "doctors and lawyers" as the reason why every woman should try to build her life on the "career" model, regardless of means - they are simply biased and misguiding. 


Kate did not have to work does not mean that she should not have.


Nobody is in a position to tell a woman of significant means (with money from her family) that she should start working and building a career right out of college. You are not her parents. KM is heavily criticized that she dared NOT build a career as soon as she got out of college. If her parents were more than happy to provide her with resources to pursue her "William" dream and act traditional, it is not for anyone to decide what she was supposed to do with her life at the time.
I am sorry that she disappointed many career-oriented women by failing to validate their life path. 

She was not "shamed" for marrying up but "shamed" for her poor work ethic which a senior royal is supposed to have.

Incorrect. I often see her being shamed for the choices she made pre-William. When in college, when post-college but pre-marriage.

I believe people DO have the right to "shame" whomever they please (to be read "express opinion") - just not to their faces. Because then that's called "being a jerk". 
Otherwise, it's called freedom of speech.

But my point here is simply that the critiques addressed to KM are just a lifestyle-based view, not an orthodoxy.
There is also the view that KM did exactly what she was supposed to do with her life pre-William, considering her situation.
   
Once again, I say "good job".


And in this day and age it's not unusual for a wife to earn more money than her husband.


Yes, it is still unusual - but also irrelevant to our conversation. However, if you insist on including this still unusual loccurrence, this is also a demographic with VERY high rates of divorce. This should say something.
But again - very much off topic.


   


Title: Re: Kate & Meghan Relationship Thread
Post by: YooperModerator on February 07, 2019, 07:55:32 pm
Time for a break on this thread.  We have a general topic thread for those who may want to discuss Family Sciences and Behaviors.  This thread is so off topic, few are listening to me so I’m locking it for a while.  YM


Title: Re: Kate & Meghan Relationship Thread
Post by: YooperModerator on February 10, 2019, 12:04:29 am
Thread open with Caution.  Please stay on topic and keep it to articles about the two of them or their interactions.  This is not the place to get into sociological or family behavior debates. 

We’ve already established their respective work histories so move on.  If not, this thread causes nothing but dissension and will be shut down.  Thank you.


Title: Re: Kate & Meghan Relationship Thread
Post by: sandy on February 10, 2019, 12:27:25 am
Kate and Meghan both need to work as senior royals. And commit to a lifetime of service.


Title: Re: Kate & Meghan Relationship Thread
Post by: Fly on the wall on February 11, 2019, 04:47:03 pm
Duchess of York says the way online trolls pit women against each other echoes how she and Princess Diana were painted as 'rivals' after royal aides were forced to police social media accounts over vile abuse aimed at Meghan and Kate by feuding fans

The Duchess of York has compared how trolls pit women against each other on social media to how she and Princess Diana were painted as 'rivals'.

Sarah Ferguson, 59, claimed in an open letter published today that much of Twitter and Instagram 'terrifies' her – and that social media has become a 'sewer'.

It comes after it emerged Kensington Palace staff spend hours moderating hundreds of thousands of sexist and racist online comments aimed at Kate and Meghan.
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-6690513/Duchess-York-slams-social-media-sewer.html