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Title: UK General Election 8th June 2017
Post by: marion on April 19, 2017, 02:38:35 am
 PM Theresa May announces there will be a General Election on June 8th this year.

Unfortunately it looks as though this is going to become  a rerun of the EU Referendum.   

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-4423074/Lib-Dems-Sir-Vince-Cable-lead-charge-Remainers.html


Title: Re: UK General Election 8th June 2017
Post by: Rosella on April 19, 2017, 04:32:40 am
There were rumours that the Spanish State Visit might be postponed, Again, because of this announcement, but apparently not so.


Title: Re: UK General Election 8th June 2017
Post by: marion on April 21, 2017, 02:08:49 pm

Will no one rid us of this meddlesome trollop

Gina Miller is back in the news, threatening to go back to the courts and seems determined to turn the upcoming GE into a 2nd referendum on UK membership of the EU.   I am sickened by this woman's hypocrisy - she pretends to be ding all this out of a sense of moral duty when in fact she is being bankrolled by some very wealthy people, noe of which are UK nationals so do not have a vote on our future with regards to the EU membership or our GE and should stay out of our politics.

One of these is George Soros, a decidedly unpleasant man who likes to meddle in the workings of democratically elected governments. Soros has been openly opposed to Brexit and is tapping into one of New Star’s partners, Gina Miller, to do his bidding would explain how she could exert the influence she has over the entire judiciary and parliament of the UK despite the fact that she is nobody.  In a business deal, Gina Millers husband, Allan Miller, was wooed by Soros to the tune of $100 million in investment management potential (which would amount to a 40% initial startup investment stake.)  The fund is based in Bermuda to avoid taxes.  No surprise.  Two years later, in 2003, New Star brought on two former fund managers from Soros Fund Management, Sajid Ramzan and Chris Beton.  Now Soros wants a favour in return, enter Gina Miller to try and meddle in the UK's decision to leave the EU.

George Soros has confirmed he wants to bring down Europe’s borders thus is definitely anti Brexit; but it does not stop there,  during the 1980s and 1990s, Soros used his extraordinary wealth to bankroll and fund revolutions in dozens of European nations, including Czechoslovakia, Croatia, and Yugoslavia. He achieved this by funneling money to political opposition parties, publishing houses, and independent media in these nations.

In a May 2014 interview with CNN, Soros admitted he was responsible for establishing a foundation in the Ukraine that ultimately led to the overthrow of the country’s elected leader.

Most people in the UK believe we live in a democracy but there are dark forces at work to try and subvert the democratic vote.  Its time we woke up and smelled the coffee.

https://helenaglass.net/tag/gina-miller-a-soros-puppet/

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=-NpD8RFl3zQ

https://judas.watch/Gina_Miller





Title: Re: UK General Election 8th June 2017
Post by: gingerboy24 on April 21, 2017, 02:39:40 pm
^ Thanks Marion.  Good to see it getting out, so many already know, does not hurt to reinforce it.  Makes me so cross, you have the likes of Soros and Branson, who pay no taxes in the UK, and yet they want to poke their big noses in.  They must think us British are stupid  -  we can see right through it and beyond.  GM makes me sick, born in Guyana, why doesn´t she go back there and try to cause trouble  -  oops, would be no funding from Soros there so that won´t happen  :thumbsdown: :thumbsdown:


Title: Re: UK General Election 8th June 2017
Post by: Val on April 21, 2017, 03:44:01 pm
^^

Thanks for the info which is now spreading fast by other means too.   What a corrupt world we live in and yes GM should get her nose out of the UK business and let decent people like TM run the country.


Title: Re: UK General Election 8th June 2017
Post by: gingerboy24 on April 21, 2017, 04:52:45 pm
Yes, there should be a petiton "get rid of this trouble maker, funded by George Soros, she is his puppet and he is pulling the strings".  Many would sign it.  She really is a most unpleasant creature, and so positively unattractive in every way.  She is one of those people I call ugly inside and out.    Her inner ugliness shines through, big time. Thoroughly nasty piece of work meddling in things she should not be allowed to.  Probably thinks she can do anything and everything with Soros behind her  -  oh for perfection, she will learn one day that is not necessarily the case.


Title: Re: UK General Election 8th June 2017
Post by: marion on April 21, 2017, 04:59:51 pm
GB Have you watched the video with Andrew Neil interviewing GM? He certainly isn't enamoured of her !!


Title: Re: UK General Election 8th June 2017
Post by: Little light on April 21, 2017, 06:06:52 pm
I haven't. But I a must going to now!  :thankyou:


Title: Re: UK General Election 8th June 2017
Post by: marion on April 21, 2017, 07:02:30 pm
^  :flower:


Title: Re: UK General Election 8th June 2017
Post by: gingerboy24 on April 22, 2017, 09:56:08 am
@ Marion  -  thanks, yes I did watch it, my oh my, GM was not a happy bunny, and a huge congratulations and well done to Andrew Neil, he wiped the floor with her.  Wonder what her puppeteer, George Soros, made of that. Bet he was not a happy bunny, he is ploughing millions into trying to derail Brexit as we know.


Title: Re: UK General Election 8th June 2017
Post by: Val on April 22, 2017, 02:58:10 pm
Re puppeteer Soros, the wimpish DM aren't accepting any comments  suggesting that he is funding GM and have stopped accepting all comments now.  Says it all and they should be reported to IPCO again for discrimination of comments.  They have a reputation for this and are constantly reported according to insiders.


Title: Re: UK General Election 8th June 2017
Post by: Val on April 22, 2017, 02:59:41 pm
See above

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-4434854/Arch-remoaner-Gina-Miller-raises-money-stop-Brexit.html


Title: Re: UK General Election 8th June 2017
Post by: marion on April 22, 2017, 05:53:39 pm
Thanks for posting Val , i hadn't seen that. Mind you reading the comments that have already been posted they are most  either anti GM or if they are pro her they are heavily red arrowed .

DM probably afraid of a law suit !!! GM sounds a thoroughly u pleasant person from.lisfen g to Thar interview. So full of  her own self importance


Title: Re: UK General Election 8th June 2017
Post by: Spitfire on April 22, 2017, 07:24:16 pm
There have been no new comments for the past SEVEN hours!!  How can the DM believe in democracy if it is banning comments?  If the paper is scared of law suits from that harridan, then the DM should not publish the article.  Miller is funded by Soros - a man whose history is utterly reprehensible. 


Title: Re: UK General Election 8th June 2017
Post by: marion on May 17, 2017, 07:09:05 am
The Labour Party finally publishes their manifesto and Diane Abbott gives another comedy performance

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-4512722/Corbyn-s-plan-bankrupt-UK-30billion-black-hole.html

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/debate/article-4512938/Robert-Hardman-humiliation-Diane-Abbott.html


Title: Re: UK General Election 8th June 2017
Post by: marion on May 20, 2017, 10:25:37 am
And Corbyn's past continues to dog him - is this man really ft to be PM?
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-4524382/MI5-investigated-Corbyn-links-IRA-terrorists.html


Title: Re: UK General Election 8th June 2017
Post by: marion on May 30, 2017, 04:40:05 am
Now we know the truth of how they plan to fund their crazy sending plans.  Hit every family with even a small suburban garden with extra tax ....a real vote with net I'm sure but I'm surprised they've managed to keep it quiet until now
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-4553476/Labour-s-secret-plans-4-000-garden-tax.html


Title: Re: UK General Election 8th June 2017
Post by: Kuei Fei on May 31, 2017, 06:54:42 am
Is it just me or are UK politicians obsessed with creating new taxes?

Of course the BRF won't be taxed over their gardens.


Title: Re: UK General Election 8th June 2017
Post by: marion on May 31, 2017, 08:25:14 am
Socialist governments are...they like to spend spent spend but we don't see any improvement in services.

Now we know the Labour party are secretly planning to allow more migrants in if they win the GE ...more strain on public services.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-4556844/Labour-s-secret-plan-open-doors-Britain-wider.html


Title: Re: UK General Election 8th June 2017
Post by: deGuernsey on May 31, 2017, 11:13:21 am
^ So how do the Brits feel with immigration  to UK from individuals from first world countries and or with ties to UK? I need to read more on UK politics and I'm grateful for threads like this one and the UK posters who give us such valuable info. Thanks.


Title: Re: UK General Election 8th June 2017
Post by: marion on June 01, 2017, 05:38:31 pm
More left wing bias from the BBC..I'm not surprised Theresa May didn't take part. Corbyn only  did a u turn at the last minute after saying he wouldn't take part. Those that really run the Labour Party probably behind this decision.


Title: Re: UK General Election 8th June 2017
Post by: Spitfire on June 01, 2017, 08:00:46 pm
^  The BBC is nothing more than the propaganda arm of the anti-democratic, UK-hating EU.  The following facts have been compiled by Leave EU and emphasise the biased BBC reporting during last year's Referendum:


BBC bias is clear for all to see, thanks to News-Watch's monitoring, we have discovered that:
•   Despite 52% of voters backing Leave in June’s historic referendum, only 8 of 124 guests on the Today Programme were invited to make the case for Brexit’s benefits in the days following the Article 50 notice.
•   In 40 episodes of Newsnight in the run-up to the referendum, twelve Remainers were offered one-on-one interviews compared to only six Leavers, and twice as much space was given to pro-EU commentators in 25 feature items.
•   Asked on five separate occasions by a coalition of MPs, BBC Director General Lord Hall has been unable to provide the transcript of a single positive BBC broadcast on Brexit.
•   Analysis of a post-referendum “Brexit Collection” programme showed that the offerings included 58% of speakers backing Remain with only 23% backing Leave.
•   The BBC's Political Editor, Laura Kuenssberg went even further, broadcasting the views of three times as many anti-Brexit voices as pro-Leave voices in her post-referendum programme “Britain’s Biggest Deal” – including no interviews with members of the UK Independence Party.


Over seventy years ago, the BBC was the lone voice of democracy in Occupied Europe and people in those countries were executed if they were discovered listening to the banned BBC.  Sadly, the BBC is now supporting another version of the regime against which it once offered hope.  The BBC should hang its head in shame - but it doesn't have any.



Title: Re: UK General Election 8th June 2017
Post by: Val on June 01, 2017, 09:45:50 pm
^

Excellent post and spot on.


Title: Re: UK General Election 8th June 2017
Post by: marion on June 07, 2017, 11:53:53 am
Are these really the people we want to run Great Britain?


http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-4579760/Respected-IFS-warns-Labour-s-spending-plans-don-t-add-up.html

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-4580110/Special-Branch-kept-file-subversive-20-years.html

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-4577354/Jeremy-Corbyn-addressed-rally-attended-al-Muhajiroun.html

And now Corbyn ditches Diane on the eve of the GE - there's no way she is ill. She was seen yesterday on her way to Broadcasting House for the interview that was cancelled at the last minute, apparently due to illness but she was pictured on Twitter using her phone and laughing.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-4577354/Jeremy-Corbyn-addressed-rally-attended-al-Muhajiroun.html


Title: Re: UK General Election 8th June 2017
Post by: Tatiana on June 09, 2017, 03:44:06 am
  The Daily Mail's parent company also owns ITV,  the Mail is as biased as it gets.  Take everything with a pinch of salt.


Title: Re: UK General Election 8th June 2017
Post by: Val on June 09, 2017, 04:51:51 am
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-4586042/Stunning-exit-poll-suggests-Theresa-LOST-seats.html

Not looking good for TM at the moment.


Title: Re: UK General Election 8th June 2017
Post by: Kuei Fei on June 09, 2017, 06:15:48 am
Clearly the Tories are busy looking after the BRF rather than the interests of the nation. Odd how it swings all around and around.


Title: Re: UK General Election 8th June 2017
Post by: Rosella on June 09, 2017, 06:36:24 am
I've been watching the election results roll in over the last several hours. YouGov polling was quite accurate as it predicted a hung Parliament and the Conservatives losing seats.

 This was an unnecessary election for Theresa May to have called. She was sitting pretty on a manageable mandate. Now she'll be scrambling for votes from Northern Ireland MPs to pass anything. On the other hand Jeremy Corbyn's Labour has done very well.

All sorts of issues bearing into this election-the aftermath of the Brexit election, national security, blunders by Theresa such as the dementia tax, resentment at an unnecessary election being called in the first place, and last but certainly not least Theresa's completely underwhelming performance on the campaign trail. She's to blame for the position in which she now finds herself.

Also Nicola Sturgeon and the Scottish Nationals haven't exactly covered themselves with glory either.


Title: Re: UK General Election 8th June 2017
Post by: YooperModerator on June 09, 2017, 12:19:49 pm
^That's pretty much what we hear here but our news doesn't do a very good job of explaining all of this.

Is it true that the Queen will have to step in now?  It seems like the U.K. didn't have very good candidates from which to choose but I could be wrong.  I really appreciate any insights from those who are directly involved.


Title: Re: UK General Election 8th June 2017
Post by: Rosella on June 09, 2017, 01:37:39 pm
There is a fair amount of criticism heading Theresa's way from commentators and within her own party, I would imagine.
 Several were expecting her to resign, but she has gone to see the Queen so it's pretty clear that she intends to remain as PM and form a (minority) government with the help and support of some Ulster (Northern Ireland) MPs. All ten of them. That will mean a great deal of horse trading and an expensive list of demands from these MPs. As Northern Ireland voted very firmly to Remain in the Brexit referendum the spectacle of this Party helping to shore up a government that will be starting negotiations with the EU in something like ten days should be very interesting! However Theresa appears to have made a deal, so she remains PM, for the moment anyway.


Title: Re: UK General Election 8th June 2017
Post by: Alexandrine on June 09, 2017, 01:57:01 pm
But DUP are pro hard brexit? Although if you consider that they cannot even form goverment in their region, how well it will work in westminster.

Some say in twitter that Johnson is already looking if he has support...


Title: Re: UK General Election 8th June 2017
Post by: YooperModerator on June 09, 2017, 02:21:48 pm
I don't understand what the Queen has to do with a democratically voted election.


Title: Re: UK General Election 8th June 2017
Post by: Rosella on June 09, 2017, 02:34:40 pm
^ Boris Johnson, even if he becomes the leader of the Conservative Party will still be heading a minority government. At the moment the Conservatives have 218 seats, maybe 219 as the Kensington electorate is still to declare. Whoever becomes PM will still need to approach other parties to form a workable government majority.

It is true that the DUP campaigned to leave but the Northern Irish electorate on the whole wanted to remain. It is not clear just how much support the DUP has agreed to give the Conservatives. They are in talks at the moment but it appears these were further enough along at around noon London time for Theresa May to convince the Queen that she would be able to form a minority government.

The DUP are a very conservative lot, so if they do go into a formal agreement with the Conservatives they will be driving some hard bargains. At the same time they and Sinn Fein are in negotiations about the Northern Ireland Assembly so they won't want to derail those talks.


Title: Re: UK General Election 8th June 2017
Post by: Rosella on June 09, 2017, 03:25:52 pm
^^Well, in British Parliament at Westminster (in the House of Commons) the majority party (or parties if there's a coalition) is known as Her Majesty's Government. The main opposition party is known as Her Majesty's Opposition. After the ruling party votes for their Parliamentary leader (the Prime Minister) then that individual goes to BP to see the Queen and are then formally appointed PM. (It's known as Kissing Hands.)

In a situation like today, Theresa May, as PM and the Parliamentary leader of the majority party in the Commons, went to see the Queen at BP and apparently assured her that she was able to form a working (minority) government. If the arrangement with the DUP falls down then she will go to the Queen again and they will discuss if she can somehow form government (to at least pass Supply bills) with any other Party or coalition of various MPs. The Queen would ask her to try.

If she just cannot see any way of forming government then the Queen will send for Jeremy Corbyn, the Leader of the Opposition to see if he can form government with the help of minor parties. If he can all well and good (though personally I can't see how he will be able to.) However the Queen would ask him to try.

 At the moment Theresa May seems confident that she can do it. We'll see. The Queen will anyway be keeping an eye on the situation as it develops in coming days


Title: Re: UK General Election 8th June 2017
Post by: YooperModerator on June 09, 2017, 03:47:13 pm
^ I understand all of that. (Double posting, btw). 

What I still don't understand is what a neutral, ceremonial monarch has to do with any of this.  The Queen doesn't even vote, which is also confusing because no one could arrest her for it but the constitution seems clear on it.  So, is she just hearing updates? 


Title: Re: UK General Election 8th June 2017
Post by: Rosella on June 09, 2017, 04:09:05 pm
I am very sorry for the double posting, Yooper.

^ In the British constitution the Queen plays a role that's somewhere between a mediator and an honest broker. In situations like this her duty is to encourage May to form government and if that doesn't work, Corbyn. The Queen's role at all times is to advise, encourage and to warn her ministers. She does hear updates of course, but more than that acts as a sounding board.

 If there is a complete standoff and no-one can form government then she enters into negotiations with the leaders of both parties to see if a coalition can be cobbled together for the good of the country or that no no confidence motions will be passed in the House so that Supply Bills can be passed.

The Queen, by convention, doesn't vote. (No-one gets arrested for not voting in Britain by the way.) However, she has loads of experience of dealing with tricky political situations, dating back over sixty years. Churchill was her first Prime Minister.


Title: Re: UK General Election 8th June 2017
Post by: Alexandrine on June 09, 2017, 04:44:06 pm
It is very usual on parliamentaries monarchies to work like that. Even when they vote (in belgium it is an obligation and even their rf votes). Someone has to ask the best representative to form government. Sometimes it is ceremonial but in others like Netherlands it can be more involved (though I think they removed some of his powers).



Title: Re: UK General Election 8th June 2017
Post by: Rosella on June 09, 2017, 04:48:56 pm
Yes, the monarchs are Heads of State and so they have to act as mediators in a political crisis (if they have the power to.) Here in Australia there is also compulsory voting and you get fined for not doing so.


Title: Re: UK General Election 8th June 2017
Post by: YooperModerator on June 09, 2017, 05:05:34 pm
^^^ :tehe: No, what I meant was she can't be arrested FOR voting.  We have no fines or compulsory voting acts in the US.  You're allowed to freely be lazy, uninvolved and therefore the more opinionated, usually.

I get it now and thank you!  I understand her role as mediator and guider and am aware of her decades of experience. I wonder, tho, moving forward, if the younger royals will have such wisdom and objectivity.  Kinda doubt it.


Title: Re: UK General Election 8th June 2017
Post by: Kuei Fei on June 09, 2017, 05:53:11 pm
I think Charles is DYING to turn the mediator role into one where he is co-ruler, while William (via the ambitious Midds) will try to take control as an autocrat.


Title: Re: UK General Election 8th June 2017
Post by: dianab on June 10, 2017, 07:56:21 pm
@Kuei Fei

If it was Charles (not the Queen) now during this T May-Corbyn mess, a Republic will happen in a few days. In political messes like that, a Charles sort is everything the Republicans need :laundry:


Title: Re: UK General Election 8th June 2017
Post by: Kuei Fei on June 10, 2017, 09:29:28 pm
When you throw in all the BS that Harry and William and Kate and the Yorkies have doled out, I wager that Corbyn will have no problems shutting down their lavish subsidies and asking questions about where all that money is going if in fact they aren't maintaining the palaces.

The BRF isn't a business, "the Firm" is a Ponzi scheme.

If Corbyn and Labor take charge, HM will have to stock up on gin and other booze since Labor usually gets a full election landslide due to the RF's antics.


Title: Re: UK General Election 8th June 2017
Post by: Rosella on June 11, 2017, 12:24:52 am
^ There is no possible way for Corbyn to become PM. He just hasn't got the numbers in the Commons to do it, no matter how you cut it. Also, no election in my lifetime, and I've lived a long time, which has been won by the British Labour Party, (landslide or not) on anything to do with the BRF. That was so even in the 1990s Diana/Charles warring days. The Royal Family is never injected into any political campaign.


Title: Re: UK General Election 8th June 2017
Post by: Kuei Fei on June 11, 2017, 01:24:26 am
Not openly, but the issue now is that unlike Diana/Charles, William and Harry are no longer the hot princes loaded with potential. This is also worse economic times than the Eighties and I do believe that people are a lot more angry. All those comments talking about even Harry and even HM. Staff are speaking out about low wages and now people think they have the power to strip the RF of it all.


Title: Re: UK General Election 8th June 2017
Post by: Rosella on June 11, 2017, 02:19:15 am
^ Staff at royal palaces have been grumbling about the low wages for ever. I remember complaints even in my childhood. They are perfectly free to leave and get another job, but in most cases don't because being on staff at BP and KP is considered prestigious and is likely to get you a higher paid position anywhere in the world afterwards.

Plus, I don't want to sound like a broken record but comments on DM comment lines do not represent the 63 million plus people who live in the UK.

DM commenters can carry on all they like, and yes, times are tough, very tough in Britain and round the world. A resurgent Labour in the recent election however, (in the view of most political commentators I've read) had more to do with Mrs May's dreadful performance on the campaign trail, Jeremy's good one, and young voters coming out in a post-Brexit fallout (after many failed to vote in the referendum) in favour of Corbyn, than anything to do with the BRF, who weren't mentioned in the whole campaign.

Yes, the Labour Party in Britain isn't so favourably inclined towards the Royal family as the Tories. That's a given. However, all Labour Governments in power since the 1920s, including the Blair govt, have adhered to the rules regarding the Royal family and have certainly not preached revolution.

That will also be the case if Mr Corbyn ever becomes PM. (At the moment, in spite of the assertions of that DM reader Corbyn has far less seats in the Commons than May and had a lesser share of the vote. Unfortunately for him, many of his young London supporters live in already safe Labour electorates.)


Title: Re: UK General Election 8th June 2017
Post by: marion on June 11, 2017, 08:17:16 am
Roseala   For someone living  on the other side of the world  you are remarkably well informed about UK political matters...I take my hat off to you . Many don't even take such a keen interest in those of their own country.


Title: Re: UK General Election 8th June 2017
Post by: Rosella on June 11, 2017, 08:32:14 am
Thankyou, marion.  :) I was born and brought up in England though, and lived there on and off when I first married with my Aussie husband. I'm also a political junkie!


Title: Re: UK General Election 8th June 2017
Post by: Kuei Fei on June 13, 2017, 04:09:07 pm
I do wonder if whether or not the Tories will in fact get more votes or if Labor will get in.