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Title: 20th anniversary of Diana's death.
Post by: Fly on the wall on April 09, 2017, 02:52:32 pm
Princes in two TV tributes to Diana, 20 years on
https://www.thetimes.co.uk/edition/news/princes-in-two-tv-tributes-to-diana-20-years-on-t26kpml0v

Full artcle
https://cryforharryenglandandsaintgeorge.tumblr.com/post/159372869768/princes-in-two-tv-tributes-to-diana-20-years-on#notes


Title: Re: 20th anniversary of Diana's death.
Post by: gingerboy24 on April 09, 2017, 10:31:37 pm
About time they let her rest in peace.  Always dredging up these anniversaries.  Twenty years on and they still try to ride her coat tails.  Have they not realised the Diana Get Out of Jail card disintegrated many, many years ago.  They need to grow a pair and grow up.  Adults in early/mid thirties and still trying to use their deceased mother  to make them look good.  News alerts  -  give up, the public have seen through both of them, they are lazy sponging wasters with no intelligence and a crappy taste in women. Amazing, they say boys go after women like their mothers  -  something wrong with these two. Diana had class, elegance and the "it" factor.  Council caro and murky marble at at the other end of the scale, so common and downmarket it is untrue.


Title: Re: 20th anniversary of Diana's death.
Post by: Fly on the wall on April 11, 2017, 01:35:15 am
William and Harry to open up about Princess Diana in two TV tributes to mark 20th anniversary of her death
http://www.mirror.co.uk/tv/tv-news/william-harry-open-up-princess-10191530


Title: Re: 20th anniversary of Diana's death.
Post by: gingerboy24 on April 11, 2017, 09:45:15 am
Just can´t leave her alone can they. About time they grew up and moved on.  Two generations have come into being since them, none of whom even knew her.  A lot of the old sugars have died off.  The only two dopes rambling on about her at her two grossly unintelligent sons, and that is only being done because they continue to try and ride her coat tails.  I am a fan of PD, but boy she did the UK a disservice when she dumped us with those two blithering idiots with not a brain between them.  I won´t be swelling the viewing ratings, not a vomit bucket big enough to enable me to watch it.


Title: Re: 20th anniversary of Diana's death.
Post by: kolkomilko on April 11, 2017, 10:10:41 am
It would be the best anniversary: just leave her alone.


Title: Re: 20th anniversary of Diana's death.
Post by: Tatiana on April 13, 2017, 05:53:11 am
    

     Camilla and Charles would so love it if we forgot all about Diana.   Many of us will never, as long a this vile pair walk this earth.   They treated her in the cruelest way,  many of us will not be quiet.   Camilla will be as a sick as a cat.   :laugh:


Title: Re: 20th anniversary of Diana's death.
Post by: Tatiana on April 13, 2017, 05:56:22 am
Just can´t leave her alone can they. About time they grew up and moved on.  Two generations have come into being since them, none of whom even knew her.  A lot of the old sugars have died off.  The only two dopes rambling on about her at her two grossly unintelligent sons, and that is only being done because they continue to try and ride her coat tails.  I am a fan of PD, but boy she did the UK a disservice when she dumped us with those two blithering idiots with not a brain between them.  I won´t be swelling the viewing ratings, not a vomit bucket big enough to enable me to watch it.

      Diana still sells magazines and newspapers,  she will be remembered long after that old witch and her idiot are long gone.   This is NOT about her sons .. this is about Diana, Princess of Wales. 


Title: Re: 20th anniversary of Diana's death.
Post by: HRHOlya on April 13, 2017, 01:32:57 pm
^ Well said. It is only right to remember her on her 20th anniversary, many comment and say (rightly so) that the establishment wishes people forget her, and that would be terribly wrong. Not marking her anniversary would 1. be exactly what tptb wish would happen, incl C&C, 2. might spark heavy backlash from the public.
Respectfully remembering her & celebrating her on an important anniversary is quite the opposite of "Not letting her rest in peace".


Title: Re: 20th anniversary of Diana's death.
Post by: sandy on April 13, 2017, 10:13:37 pm
Diana is still going to be the mother of a monarch and future monarchs so she can't be brushed aside. Unlike Camilla, she left a legacy of royal children. I hope the Sarah Bradford Book is reissued to honor Diana. It would be a counter to the trash that Sally Bedell Smith wrote about her.


Title: Re: 20th anniversary of Diana's death.
Post by: Fly on the wall on April 28, 2017, 01:16:18 am
On ABC
'The Last 100 Days of Diana,' Hosted by Martin Bashir, Airing Sunday, May 7, 9/8c
http://abcnews.go.com/US/video/100-days-diana-hosted-martin-bashir-airing-sunday-46994792


Title: Re: 20th anniversary of Diana's death.
Post by: gingerboy24 on April 28, 2017, 04:26:21 pm
Jeez, they just can´t leave her in peace.  Diana´s only legacy, as far as I am concerned, are the two idiot sons she produced, and it ends there, fulll stop, at the moment for at least two reasons that spring to mind immediately.


Title: Re: 20th anniversary of Diana's death.
Post by: Miss Hathaway on April 28, 2017, 06:08:52 pm
Diana brought a breath of fresh air and a worldwide interest to the BRF that had never been seen before.  They desperately need someone like her now. 



Title: Re: 20th anniversary of Diana's death.
Post by: sandy on April 28, 2017, 08:06:36 pm
I am grateful that Charles and Camilla did not succeed in airbrushing her out (the let's move on mantra).  Charles also had a hand in producing William and Harry.

Diana has a legacy of charity work which she was recognized for by world leaders such as Nelson Mandela who did not mention her sons when referring to her "legacy."


Title: Re: 20th anniversary of Diana's death.
Post by: HRHOlya on May 29, 2017, 09:12:44 pm
Not sure whether to put this here or the "random chat", mods, feel free to move!

>> Hidden turmoil behind Diana's funeral: Her body was kept in a 'makeshift morgue', William refused to walk behind the coffin and the Queen hid TVs at Balmoral to protect her grandsons

    Documentary Diana: 7 Days That Shook The Windsors airs on Channel 5
    Officials had just one week to organise event watched by two billion woldwide
    William, 15, initially refused to walk behind coffin but was persuaded by Charles
    Aides set up fans to keep body cool in Paris hospital in sweltering August heat
    Organisers initially feared they wouldn't have enough people to fill Abbey

It was one of the most watched events in history with two billion people tuning in worldwide and two thousand attending the ceremony at Westminster Abbey.

Now details of the fraught preparations for Princess Diana's funeral are set to be revealed for the first time in a Channel 5 documentary Diana: 7 Days That Shook The Windsors.

With just a week for the funeral to be arranged, tensions understandably ran high as the royals battled with Downing Street over arrangements, such as whether William and Harry should walk behind the coffin - with the older Prince initially refusing to take part in the procession.

The documentary also reveals how Paul Burrell and Diana's chauffeur Colin Tebbutt had to set up a make-shift morgue when they went to Paris to collect her body from the Pitie-Salpetriere Hospital, bringing in fans to keep the stifling August heat at bay and hanging blankets on the windows to deter photographers.

When news of Diana's death reached the royals in the early hours of the morning, they decided to delay telling William, 15, and Harry, 12, who were holidaying with the Queen at Balmoral, rather than waking them with the tragic news that would change their lives forever.

The monarch was so worried about the boys hearing traumatising details of their mothers death, she ordered that all TVs and radios be hidden. 

When the boys were told the heartbreaking news, Harry begged his father to let him accompany him to Paris to collect her body, but was made to stay behind.

Much of the tension among the funeral committee, which was made up of representatives from the royal family, Number 10, the police and Diana's family is laid bare by Tony Blair's former head of government relations Anji Hunter.

'The most tension in the room always came from Charles Spencer's people,' she revealed.

The programme will claim Earl Spencer wanted to walk alone behind Diana's coffin, but Prince Charles was adamant that he should join the procession.

The rest of the funeral team felt William and Harry, then 15 and 12, should be there, too.

However, William was refusing to join the procession, saying he wanted to grieve privately.

Hoping to persuade William to change his mind, five days before the funeral on September 6, the team set up a telephone conference call with Balmoral via a big loudspeaker box on their conference table.

'I can remember — it sends a tingle up my back, actually,' says Hunter. 'We were all talking about how William and Harry should be involved and suddenly from this box came Prince Philip's voice.

'We hadn't heard from him before, but he was really anguished.

'It's about the boys,' he cried, 'They've lost their mother.'

'I thought, "My God, there's a bit of suffering going on up there".'

Meanwhile, Diana's chauffeur Colin Tebbutt also talks on camera for the first time about what really happened in the hospital room when he and the Princess's butler, Paul Burrell, arrived in Paris to collect her body.

'I was worried about the room, which was very, very hot,' he said.

'We looked up at the window above the Princess's bed and could see people on rooftops, trying to take photos.

'It didn't seem as if they knew which room to look for at that stage, and I asked for blankets to hang up at the window, so nobody could see in.'

This made the room even hotter, so Tebbutt placed fans all around the Princess's body to keep her cool.

'I noticed her hair was moving — which was the breeze from the fans of course.

'But for just a fraction of a second I thought, 'Is she alive?' which was a silly thing to think.

'Having been on top of everything until then, I had to turn away and take 30 seconds to myself, as a personal emotional moment.'

Meanwhile, Paul Burrell revealed that he first knew something was wrong when he called Diana and she didn't answer. 

'Diana always had a mobile phone in her handbag, so I rang her phone and it rang and rang and rang, and I thought "it's very strange because she always answers her phone",' he recalled.

Recalling the moment he saw the royal's body at the Pitie-Salpetriere Hospital, he said: 'I honestly thought, entering that room and looking at her, "She is not really dead, it's just a joke, a very silly joke and you can wake up".'

Diana's private secretary reveals that as officials rushed to make arrangements for the funeral, they were initially worried they wouldn't have enough people to fill Westminster Abbey.

'There was no rule book to go to, no precedent, no tradition, nothing fitted the royal game plan,' he said.

'I remember saying if you get hold of a guest list for the Princess' Christmas drinks in 1995, invite everybody on that guest list and you won't have missed out anybody important.'

In the end there was certainly no problem with 2,000 people attending, but the pallbearers faced an additional challenge carrying Diana's 50 stone lead-lined coffin.

Pall bearer Philip Bartlet recalled: We got told we were going to try and simulate the weight with a kerb stone

'We were wearing metal studs and the Abbey's marble floor was like an ice skating rink.' <<

Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/femail/article-4552500/Hidden-turmoil-Diana-s-funeral-revealed.html


Title: Re: 20th anniversary of Diana's death.
Post by: sandy on May 30, 2017, 01:07:49 am
Much of this is old news.


Title: Re: 20th anniversary of Diana's death.
Post by: LadyAva on May 30, 2017, 06:32:09 am
My thoughts exactly. It's all leaked out over the years. I was hoping to hear new tidbits. Not how Willy pitched a hissy fit.


Title: Re: 20th anniversary of Diana's death.
Post by: Kuei Fei on May 30, 2017, 06:42:57 am
You know, I would be so sick of this.

Diana died in a car accident with an irresponsible playboy; she got mixed up with the wrong crowd and ended up dead as a result. If she had chosen to stick to her original schedule, she would likely be alive and able to live out a full life. I am certain I am sick of hearing about Diana's 'tragic life.'


Title: Re: 20th anniversary of Diana's death.
Post by: sandy on May 30, 2017, 11:52:30 am
Diana was sticking to the schedule, she was set to go back to the UK the next day and had the tickets. The only thing that was off kilter was how Dodi defied his father and told him they would not stay overnight at the Ritz and he wanted to go back to his apartment. I would say Diana got mixed up with the wrong crowd when she married Prince Charles, that was the true disaster for her. The man was too selfish to make any sort of good husband and he cut her loose after she had the children he needed. Diana ended up dead because she was in the hands of an irresponsible medical team that had her stay in the car for an overlong period of time before they worked to get her out of the car and then stuck in an overlong ambulance. It was too late to save her when she got to the hospital. The average family who had a situation like this where a loved one was treated the same, could have sued for malpractice. I am sick of Camilla and Charles playing victims and trying desperately to try to justify themselves when attention is brought to Diana.


Title: Re: 20th anniversary of Diana's death.
Post by: HRHOlya on May 30, 2017, 09:32:40 pm
More repeats...

'Is it true that Mummy's dead?': Prince Harry's heartbreaking words to Charles as the royals carried on as normal and attended church just hours after telling the boys Diana had died

    Revelation made by Tina Brown in Diana: 7 Days That Shook The Windsors
    Young Prince couldn't believe his mother was dead as nothing had changed
    Family attended church at Balmoral and no mention of Diana made at service
    Queen hid TVs and radios so boys wouldn't hear any distressing details on news


Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/femail/article-4555508/Prince-Harry-couldn-t-believe-Diana-died.html

'You did the right thing staying with your grandsons ': Incredible moment a 'shaking' Queen was comforted by a royal fan as she faced a bitter public backlash after Diana's death

    Katie and Enid Jones appear in Channel 5 documentary about Diana's death
    Diana: 7 Days That Shook The Windsors recalls backlash against Queen
    Perceived as uncaring for remaining at Balmoral while the capital mourned
    When she finally returned she was comforted by Katie who gave her flowers
    Prince Philip snapped at people in crowd who told Queen to look after the boys


Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/femail/article-4556404/Queen-comforted-royal-fan-Diana-death-backlash.html


Title: Re: 20th anniversary of Diana's death.
Post by: sandy on May 31, 2017, 12:54:41 am
When someone has just died,  prayers for the person are said--a hospital chaplain comes to the hospital room in some cases to pray with the family. The Queen did not allow prayers to be said for the boys' mother after they were brought to Church looking shell shocked. I think that was disgraceful and unnatural.

The Queen was wrong in this case.


Title: Re: 20th anniversary of Diana's death.
Post by: india on May 31, 2017, 09:39:02 pm
^ Wrong??? It was just plain mean.


Title: Re: 20th anniversary of Diana's death.
Post by: dianab on June 01, 2017, 10:30:58 pm
Royal spin that Queen was putting W & H before her duties/ the people is totally ridiculous!

She dragged the boys to church, just hours after finding out their mother had passed away. Heartless and cold! ps. they passed through crowds of hundreds of people (including the media) on their way to church. She was asked if she wanted Diana being mentioned in prayers. And St Queenie Liz said: NO. She just wanted those 2 teenagers get on with life because Diana was persona non grata to the Windsors. Emotions towards human beings is such a 'commoner thing' to old Liz!

This comments says it all:

Northernlass, Sunderland, 1 day ago
The Queen has never been known for her maternal instincts she had to be talked out of going ahead with a hunting party just a few days after Diana's death.

HAR1971, Newcastle Upon Tyne, 2 days ago
Driven through crowds of hundreds of people on their way to church, I doubt it. Probably the last place they wanted to be in the public eye. No choice in the 'firm'. Thank goodness Charles got his way for bringing Dianes body back, as the Queen would have left her to be brought back in a van!!


Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/femail/article-4556404/Queen-comforted-royal-fan-Diana-death-backlash.html#ixzz4imvmWmKB
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We let our mother down... we couldn't protect her, say William and Harry: Princes make emotional admission in interview about Diana's death
-Princess Diana died when her car crashed in a tunnel in Paris in August 1997
-Prince William has confessed he and Harry felt they 'let their mother down'
-Made the emotional admission in a major BBC interview ahead of anniversary
By Katherine Rushton Media And Technology Editor For The Daily Mail
PUBLISHED: 22:00 BST, 1 June 2017 | UPDATED: 22:25 BST, 1 June 2017

Prince William has confessed he and Prince Harry felt they let their mother down because they failed to protect her.
The Duke of Cambridge made the emotional admission in a major BBC interview about the week that followed Princess Diana's death in a car crash in 1997.
He said he and his brother were finally ready to talk about their mother 'because we feel we owe it to her'. He added: 'I think an element of it is feeling like we let her down when we were younger.'

William, who was 15 at the time, continued: 'We couldn't protect her. We feel we at least owe her 20 years on to stand up for her name and remind everybody of the character and person that she was. Do our duties as sons in protecting her.'

Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-4564214/We-let-mother-say-William-Harry.html#ixzz4imy6djMY

Charles (and the queen) must be beaming with pride of his sons. Camilla, Penny Junor, Sally B Smith, Bolland, Fawcett, Ross Benson, Ingrid Seward must to be overjoyed for W & H stand up for their mother...


Title: Re: 20th anniversary of Diana's death.
Post by: Kuei Fei on June 02, 2017, 12:36:04 am
It wasn't their job to protect their mother; she should have been more responsible about who she was hanging around with.


Title: Re: 20th anniversary of Diana's death.
Post by: sandy on June 02, 2017, 01:01:07 am
Both their parents should have been more responsible about who they were with.


Title: Re: 20th anniversary of Diana's death.
Post by: Sheridan_is_appalled on June 02, 2017, 01:08:24 am
As it stands, so should they.


Title: Re: 20th anniversary of Diana's death.
Post by: sandy on June 02, 2017, 01:27:33 am
Yes!


Title: Re: 20th anniversary of Diana's death.
Post by: dianab on June 02, 2017, 01:32:45 am
It wasn't their job to protect their mother; she should have been more responsible about who she was hanging around with.
i think they're talking her reputation. how her memory has been treated in this last 20 years

In 1990s there was the War of Waleses - St James Palace vs KP ... NOW is KP VS CH ...


Title: Re: 20th anniversary of Diana's death.
Post by: Sheridan_is_appalled on June 02, 2017, 01:51:48 am
If they didn't like the way Diana's reputation has been over the last 20 years, they should look at themselves first before invoking her name in an attempt to smooth over bad press or using it as a get-out-of-work card.


Title: Re: 20th anniversary of Diana's death.
Post by: dianab on June 02, 2017, 02:04:42 am
I agree with this comments:

Sarnie, Brisbane, 16 minutes ago

I think that it is nice that they are honouring their mother's memory, especially in the face of all the nasty attacks on her character by the PR machine of certain people. they rely on the fact that she is not here to defend herself when they plant stories to re-write history in their favour.

Patricia, San Diego, 1 hour ago
I don't think it's a coincidence that the Princes are speaking out. If you remember, at the beginning of 2017, there were a series of unflattering stories about Diana, possibly coinciding with someone's book. I think that they both have heard enough about their mother and this is their way of fighting back at the years of stories. In hindsight, I also wish those young princes were not pressured into walking behind the coffin. Perhaps it made that horrible, unbearable situation worse for them to be put on such a public display. I know it's a Royal tradition but it's harsh to do that with kids. Plus, the video of Harry outside of Balmoral, reading the notes and holding his father's hand is heartbreaking. It's sad that no one in their family and extended family saw their grief and then to compound it, shipped them off to boarding school right after the funeral. Would that happen today? I can't imagine Prince George being put through anything like this should the unthinkable happen.


Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-4564214/We-let-mother-say-William-Harry.html#ixzz4inpEFf7H
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Title: Re: 20th anniversary of Diana's death.
Post by: meememe on June 02, 2017, 04:01:36 am
When someone has just died,  prayers for the person are said--a hospital chaplain comes to the hospital room in some cases to pray with the family. The Queen did not allow prayers to be said for the boys' mother after they were brought to Church looking shell shocked. I think that was disgraceful and unnatural.

The Queen was wrong in this case.

The Church of Scotland do not say prayers for the dead - simple.

The Church of England, the Roman Catholic etc do.

That day they were in a Church of Scotland church and so no prayers for the dead. Had this happened when they were at Sandringham then there would have been prayers for the dead as that is Church of England not Church of Scotland.

Harry was probably too young to really understand the differences between the two churches at the age he was and he didn't go to the Church of Scotland services all that often (2 or 3 times a year) compared to 48+ a year in Church of England - hence his confused comment.

The Queen didn't give instructions to not say prayers for Diana as she doesn't have that power. All that happened was the normal procedure in a Church of Scotland church - no prayers for the dead.

The only time in her life that the Queen has put her family before her duty was that week when she put her grandsons ahead of her country. We don't know what conversations took place with the boys about going to church. William had only recently been confirmed so it is just as possible that they wanted to go to church. Many people do feel solace in a church at a time of grief. Maybe they wanted to be with their family wherever that was. Maybe they were forced. We don't know. Many people project their feelings and how they would react onto the princes without knowing what was actually said or suggested that morning or throughout that week. I have no idea but I refuse to judge someone without having all the facts.

The only facts I have are that:

1. the boys were told their mother was dead

2. the boys went with the rest of the family to church

3. Harry allegedly asked whether his mother was really dead as there were no prayers said for her

4. The Church of Scotland don't say prayers for the dead

On the basis of those facts I am not prepared to condemn, criticise or praise anyone. I don't have enough facts to make a judgement. Personally I would have gone to church as a Christian as that would have given me a great deal of comfort (and that is exactly where I did go when my parents, grandparents, aunts and uncles etc have died). I do understand that other people would find that strange and that is fine.



Title: Re: 20th anniversary of Diana's death.
Post by: sandy on June 02, 2017, 07:20:56 am
In a case like this, the Church of Scotland should not have been strict and avoided prayers. The QUeen asked that no prayers be said and she could have.

Harry was in shell shock mourning for his mother, I doubt he was thinking about technicalities. ANy Church should show compassion. The boys found out their mother died hours before, they were not theologians and I find it ridiculous if this were the C of Scotland's excuse.


Title: Re: 20th anniversary of Diana's death.
Post by: Little light on June 02, 2017, 02:40:59 pm
It is not an excuse. No, this would not been possible in the CoS, Church of Scotland. And there would be no exceptions either.

I've been a Communicant Member of the Church of Scotland  for nearly 30 years by profession of Faith. And I'm a regular churchgoer too. Almost every week.



We believe JESUS when He said, "Let the dead bury the dead".  And also 'after death comes judgement'.


We do not pray for the dead as we believe they have already been judged by THE LORD. So what's the point?

They are dead already so no prayers will save them now. No Mass, whether it be Anglican or Roman Catholic, will ever save someone from their eternal judgement. It might give solace to the bereaved, but by virtue of their passing off this mortal coil, and their belief or otherwise in JESUS or GOD, is the only determining factor if you are going to heaven or hell. And prayers for the recently deceased does not change that fact.

By the time the two young princes had been told of their mother's death, PD had already gone to her final destination. I don't know where that was. Only GOD does as HE is our Judge.

And that's why we will not pray for the dead. When a member of the church dies, we are asked for prayers for the family of .... NOT for the person themselves as their judgement has been and gone. By GOD ALMIGHTY HIMSELF.

I don't know if there were prayers for PD's family and if so that would have been normal and expected.

As she was persona non grata, I don't think the BRF would have liked being asked to pray for PD's boys and extended family, which to me is decidedly unChristian and therefore evil. I don't know if prayers were asked for for her two young children.

If so, and no prayers were asked for the William and Harry, the BRF will have to answer to GOD HIMSELF for that omission.

But never, never, never do we ever pray for the dead. It's a complete waste of time. It doesn't mean we don't grieve for a loved one when they die. We do. Of course we do. But we never say prayers for corpses.  Only for the living who might be biblically lost, saved, or whose faith is wavering.

And both the Anglican and Roman Churches are biblically wrong in this matter. For example, if I pray for Judas Iscariot, will that save him from eternal damnation? Nope.

If I pray for Diana, will that save her from her eternal destination, be it hell or heaven? Nope. I don't have that power.

So your prayers for people who have died are wasted. Use your prayers for the living, and let the dead bury the dead, as Jesus said to HIS Apostles.



Title: Re: 20th anniversary of Diana's death.
Post by: sandy on June 02, 2017, 11:00:03 pm
I still don't agree with being so strict at a time like that. OR the Queen could have sent for a Chaplain to say prayers at Balmoral. Simple as that.


Title: Re: 20th anniversary of Diana's death.
Post by: YooperModerator on June 03, 2017, 12:06:40 am
^^This post is over the line.  Everyone has personal spiritual standards and beliefs that should be respected.  Proselytizing is not allowed on this forum.  YM


Title: Re: 20th anniversary of Diana's death.
Post by: sandy on June 03, 2017, 12:25:15 am
I think it was sad that the Queen could not see or sympathize with what DIana went through regarding Camilla.The Queen was warned about Camilla and Charles involvement after she married Andrew Parker Bowles. She could have handled things better. Maybe given Charles a choice Camilla or his place in line of succession. Obviously Charles and Camilla still have contempt for Diana today. The Queen should have also realized how upset WIlliam and Harry were and how much they loved their mother and put aside some of the coldness she had towards her former daughter in law. The trouble too was that Charles felt he was the center of the universe and his grandmother really encouraged him to feel that way, that he could do whatever he pleased. I think there should have been a moratorium on the gratuitous, nasty comments by Charles' sympathizers about his late ex wife, like labeling her "mentally ill" and seemingly excusing Charles for his bad behavior. The dysfunction was very apparent in the days after Diana's death.


Title: Re: 20th anniversary of Diana's death.
Post by: Kuei Fei on June 03, 2017, 12:42:16 am
I don't think HM realized the threat since HM never faced any threat to her marriage ending at the hands of a scheming mistress. She was safely fixed in and it's not like HM understood that mistresses are no longer content to remain mistresses. Many of them break up marriages and many of them rub it in the new wife's face at every chance. It was likely unfathomable that Charles and Diana would divorce, also unfathomable that a mistress would become the wife of a prince.


Title: Re: 20th anniversary of Diana's death.
Post by: windsor2 on June 03, 2017, 03:03:51 am
Platell's People: Diana would tell William and Harry 'don't look back in anger'
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Even today, William says he feels ‘very sad and angry that we were not old enough to be able to do more to protect her’.

He adds: ‘She was lonely, she was isolated, things within her own life got very difficult. I hold a lot of people to account that they did not do what they should have done, out of human decency.’
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/debate/article-4568068/Diana-tell-Princes-Don-t-look-anger.html


Title: Re: 20th anniversary of Diana's death.
Post by: Rosella on June 03, 2017, 03:24:31 am
I think it's pretty clear that William's attitude towards the media, for better or for worse, was forged on memories of his mother's contentious relationship with the Press.
Having said that, Amanda Platell is a writer for a British tabloid. These particular newspapers have done quite a bit to tarnish the Diana memory and legacy over the years, so I'd say there is a fair amount of self justification in Ms Platell's response.


Title: Re: 20th anniversary of Diana's death.
Post by: Joanna on June 03, 2017, 11:00:35 am
^I agree with you Rosella.

I also found this sentence quite telling
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'I hold a lot of people to account that they did not do what they should have done, out of human decency'
I think that it proves my own and others beliefs that he holds resentment towards his family, perhaps both paternal and maternal, as from what we're lead to believe, Princess Diana was  isolated and perhaps a bit abandoned by so many people both her own blood and in-laws, it's heartbreaking.


Title: Re: 20th anniversary of Diana's death.
Post by: deGuernsey on June 03, 2017, 03:15:30 pm
^I agree with you Rosella.

I also found this sentence quite telling
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'I hold a lot of people to account that they did not do what they should have done, out of human decency'
  PW said this? Well, I will hold him to these words via the deeds re See Members Only Section. ... won't you?


Title: Re: 20th anniversary of Diana's death.
Post by: dianab on June 03, 2017, 05:15:21 pm
^I agree with you Rosella.

I also found this sentence quite telling
Quote
'I hold a lot of people to account that they did not do what they should have done, out of human decency'
I think that it proves my own and others beliefs that he holds resentment towards his family, perhaps both paternal and maternal, as from what we're lead to believe, Princess Diana was  isolated and perhaps a bit abandoned by so many people both her own blood and in-laws, it's heartbreaking.
This resentment was very obvious when he & Harry were watching the family videos in last Queen family videos doc. The anger and discomfort of William with his family was very obvious. And even Harry 'seemed' fake/forced seeing/commenting/praising his family in videos.

This war between Charles & his sons will be the END of MONARCHY.


Title: Re: 20th anniversary of Diana's death.
Post by: Joanna on June 03, 2017, 08:48:57 pm
^^ According to that article he did say that. I don't know what you're mentioning about the Members Only section but from what I've read and got to know about this lot so far I imagine they're unpleasant things, it wouldn't surprise me in the least.
^ I know what you mean, I saw those videos and I cringed a little bit at all the awkward comments as well. I think the antics of all this family will be the end of Monarchy in the UK.


Title: Re: 20th anniversary of Diana's death.
Post by: Kuei Fei on June 03, 2017, 10:06:00 pm
^I agree with you Rosella.

I also found this sentence quite telling
Quote
'I hold a lot of people to account that they did not do what they should have done, out of human decency'
I think that it proves my own and others beliefs that he holds resentment towards his family, perhaps both paternal and maternal, as from what we're lead to believe, Princess Diana was  isolated and perhaps a bit abandoned by so many people both her own blood and in-laws, it's heartbreaking.
This resentment was very obvious when he & Harry were watching the family videos in last Queen family videos doc. The anger and discomfort of William with his family was very obvious. And even Harry 'seemed' fake/forced seeing/commenting/praising his family in videos.
This war between Charles & his sons will be the END of MONARCHY.

To me, the sign of a deteriorating dynasty is when the family starts warring among each other.


Title: Re: 20th anniversary of Diana's death.
Post by: dianab on June 03, 2017, 10:15:01 pm
I give the Windsors 10 years.  THEN  :laundry: BOOM


Title: Re: 20th anniversary of Diana's death.
Post by: kolkomilko on June 05, 2017, 04:26:16 pm
^ I think sooner or later it will follow.


Title: Re: 20th anniversary of Diana's death.
Post by: Tatiana on June 09, 2017, 03:29:28 am
  Unless Charles abdicates I don't give the Windsors 5 years. 


Title: Re: 20th anniversary of Diana's death.
Post by: leogirl on June 09, 2017, 06:29:58 am
They're not very likable and are out of touch with regular middle class people. I am surprised they've lasted as long as they have, all things considered. I guess the republican movement is relatively small, the class system is still very much a part of UK society, and the papers are told to be biased in favor of the royal family and not report on certain things.


Title: Re: 20th anniversary of Diana's death.
Post by: Fly on the wall on June 10, 2017, 02:52:04 am
How Diana secretly recorded hours of tapes pouring out her despair over her imploding marriage to Charles: Soul-baring audio reveals her bulimia began when Prince told her she was 'a bit chubby'

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You’re not going in that dress, are you?' What Charles told Diana before their first joint public engagement... and how it was a 'horrendous occasion'


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Diana heard Charles on the phone in his bath to Camilla saying: 'Whatever happens, I will always love you'

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How I got the tapes that made history: ANDREW MORTON says Diana's audacity was breathtaking as she left a searing testimony on life as a royal

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Title: Re: 20th anniversary of Diana's death.
Post by: HRH Tiana of NOLA on June 10, 2017, 04:47:21 am
^Wow!

I don't think it's a coincidence that these are coming out now.


Title: Re: 20th anniversary of Diana's death.
Post by: sandy on June 10, 2017, 01:53:35 pm
This is a riposte to Camilla's victim interview.


Title: Re: 20th anniversary of Diana's death.
Post by: Rosella on June 10, 2017, 02:27:15 pm
Isn't it because Andrew Morton is reissuing his book written with the help of Diana and also containing the tapes she recorded about her married life, in time for the 20th anniversary of her death in August? Of course the Daily Fail never misses a chance for clickbait!


Title: Re: 20th anniversary of Diana's death.
Post by: HRHOlya on June 10, 2017, 05:12:54 pm
^ That's right.
The dm overdid it though, 3 of the 4 articles are excerpts also found in that one (the first) article. And all were headline news...


Title: Re: 20th anniversary of Diana's death.
Post by: dianab on June 10, 2017, 05:29:01 pm
  Unless Charles abdicates I don't give the Windsors 5 years. 
are you saying the queen isnt doing very well?


Title: Re: 20th anniversary of Diana's death.
Post by: HRHOlya on June 12, 2017, 12:14:39 am
Part II:

'I tried to cut my wrists just weeks after the wedding': Secret tapes in which Princess Diana poured our her despair reveal how terrifyingly quickly her fairytale marriage unravelled

Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/femail/article-4594190/Secret-Princess-Diana-tapes-reveal-marriage-unravelled.html

[Part I:
How Diana secretly recorded hours of tapes pouring out her despair over her imploding marriage to Charles: Soul-baring audio reveals her bulimia began when Prince told her she was 'a bit chubby'

Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/femail/article-4589960/How-Diana-secretly-recorded-hours-tapes.html ]


Title: Re: 20th anniversary of Diana's death.
Post by: dianab on June 12, 2017, 05:18:35 pm
^I agree with you Rosella.

I also found this sentence quite telling
Quote
'I hold a lot of people to account that they did not do what they should have done, out of human decency'
I think that it proves my own and others beliefs that he holds resentment towards his family, perhaps both paternal and maternal, as from what we're lead to believe, Princess Diana was  isolated and perhaps a bit abandoned by so many people both her own blood and in-laws, it's heartbreaking.
This resentment was very obvious when he & Harry were watching the family videos in last Queen family videos doc. The anger and discomfort of William with his family was very obvious. And even Harry 'seemed' fake/forced seeing/commenting/praising his family in videos.
This war between Charles & his sons will be the END of MONARCHY.

To me, the sign of a deteriorating dynasty is when the family starts warring among each other.
The OFFICIAL BIO of Camilla written by PENNY JUNOR... I'm believe it's out next month...  this war between charles and his sons would intensify, i suppose.... will her book mention the mental struggles of William and Harry?


Title: Re: 20th anniversary of Diana's death.
Post by: Kuei Fei on June 12, 2017, 05:28:57 pm
If it mentions how William and Harry struggle with the same mental issues as their mother I wouldn't be surprised if the publisher's office is torched.


Title: Re: 20th anniversary of Diana's death.
Post by: sandy on June 12, 2017, 06:59:39 pm
^I agree with you Rosella.

I also found this sentence quite telling
Quote
'I hold a lot of people to account that they did not do what they should have done, out of human decency'
I think that it proves my own and others beliefs that he holds resentment towards his family, perhaps both paternal and maternal, as from what we're lead to believe, Princess Diana was  isolated and perhaps a bit abandoned by so many people both her own blood and in-laws, it's heartbreaking.
This resentment was very obvious when he & Harry were watching the family videos in last Queen family videos doc. The anger and discomfort of William with his family was very obvious. And even Harry 'seemed' fake/forced seeing/commenting/praising his family in videos.
This war between Charles & his sons will be the END of MONARCHY.

To me, the sign of a deteriorating dynasty is when the family starts warring among each other.
The OFFICIAL BIO of Camilla written by PENNY JUNOR... I'm believe it's out next month...  this war between charles and his sons would intensify, i suppose.... will her book mention the mental struggles of William and Harry?

I can only imagine. Maybe the title will be called Saint Camilla of Wales. And it a retelling of Jane Eyre with Camilla cast as "kindly" Jane protecting Charles aka Mr Rochester from the "mad wife"


Title: Re: 20th anniversary of Diana's death.
Post by: HRHOlya on June 13, 2017, 12:11:15 am
Part III:

'Charles said I was crying wolf - then went riding. So I threw myself down the stairs': Diana's tapes reveal her first suicide bid while four months pregnant and her utter despair at her own marriage

Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/femail/article-4597634/Diana-s-tapes-reveal-suicide-bid-pregnant.html


Title: Re: 20th anniversary of Diana's death.
Post by: sandy on June 13, 2017, 12:30:55 am
A very old story. Was he riding with Camilla?


Title: Re: 20th anniversary of Diana's death.
Post by: HRH Tiana of NOLA on June 13, 2017, 12:36:35 am
^Riding Camilla or riding WITH Camilla? 


Title: Re: 20th anniversary of Diana's death.
Post by: Rosella on June 13, 2017, 01:30:43 am
^Charles seems to have liked scampering out to the gardens of Highgrove in his pj's to meet Camilla as his valet had to wash green-stained pyjamas in the mid 1980's, though he may have worn riding breeches on some occasions, who knows. He and Camilla certainly went out riding with the local hunt because the two of them were caught on one occasion early in Charles's marriage, riding side by side deep in conversation. A red faced Charles shouted at the photographer to leave them alone. This was at a time when Camilla and the editor of the Sun newspaper were in regular communication with each other.


Title: Re: 20th anniversary of Diana's death.
Post by: dianab on June 13, 2017, 01:41:22 am
I remember Diana said when she was going through depression postpartum (after William was born) that Charles spent days hunting - where he could meet Camilla... remember Camilla was very interested if Diana will hunt or not...


Title: Re: 20th anniversary of Diana's death.
Post by: kolkomilko on June 13, 2017, 06:44:55 am
If it mentions how William and Harry struggle with the same mental issues as their mother I wouldn't be surprised if the publisher's office is torched.

^ Maybe + their marriage and "family life" could affect, too. 


Title: Re: 20th anniversary of Diana's death.
Post by: HRHOlya on June 13, 2017, 01:48:52 pm
C&C would also frequently "disappear" during hunts and then reappear towards the end.. So the answer to "Riding Camilla or riding WITH Camilla?" is: both.
How sycophants continue to claim that C&C restarted their affair in 1986 is beyond me or the claim that Diana cheated first.


Title: Re: 20th anniversary of Diana's death.
Post by: sandy on June 13, 2017, 02:15:38 pm
It was sick that Charles phoned Camilla right away when he found out Diana was pregnant with William. He could not stay away from Camilla. I don't get why Diana is called "mad" (I think the Palace is working the arrows and comments) because she was upset with Charles keeping Camilla around. I think he was going to see Camilla when Diana had the quarrel with him.


Title: Re: 20th anniversary of Diana's death.
Post by: Kuei Fei on June 13, 2017, 04:00:56 pm
The mindset of the BRF is that being in that family is such an honor that any kind of attachment is a privilege, but one mustn't get above oneself by expecting being treated with genuine courtesy, or having fidelity or even being treated with respect. This is a family that things their presence is such an honor that the host will foot the bill and also lay out his wife/daughters for the male royals without complaint. That is their mentality.


Title: Re: 20th anniversary of Diana's death.
Post by: HRHOlya on June 13, 2017, 11:46:44 pm
Part IV:

'I saw my father slap my mother across the face': Painfully aware her parents wanted a boy, Diana's deeply intimate tapes reveal the agonising childhood that sowed the seeds for disastrous marriage

Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/femail/article-4601340/Diana-s-tapes-reveal-deeply-unhappy-childhood.html


Title: Re: 20th anniversary of Diana's death.
Post by: sandy on June 14, 2017, 01:01:03 am
How did it sow the seeds for a disastrous marriage? Diana was in an entirely different situation, marrying a man who later admitted he preferred another woman when he married her. Charles had his own baggage that he brought into the marriage. He felt entitled to sleep with his friends' wives. In a documentary about Kanga, it was said that her husband deliberately came back home later so Charles could have quality time with his wife. Charles went into the marriage with a bad attitude that he never wanted to change. He apparently thought he was above all others and could do as he pleased. He probably thought that Diana should feel honored that he chose her and she should not complain because after all he married her. Diana's father apparently knew nothing about Biology if he blamed her mother for not producing a boy right away. There was a dead son, John, before DIana was born but died almost right after birth.


Title: Re: 20th anniversary of Diana's death.
Post by: Kuei Fei on June 14, 2017, 01:06:00 am
I don't think any of this is healthy.

Diana was clearly not healthy by sharing this with non-professionals and I don't think feeling sorry for her is healthy either.

I'm going to get flamed, but I have to get this out:

From an early age, I think Diana was in fact seriously troubled well beyond Charles' infidelity and I do think she was at some point not trying to survive, but close to self destructing. Sane people don't unload on their interviewers and don't record stuff like this with someone other than a professional.

Charles' infidelity didn't cause Diana to break down, in fact, I think it was just the topping on the misery of her early life and struggles. Diana enjoyed life for a while as a socialite in London, but that evening out was disrupted by the time in Charles' life and then marriage, which she was clearly unready for.


Title: Re: 20th anniversary of Diana's death.
Post by: dianab on June 14, 2017, 01:51:45 am
The fact she led a happy, WORKING and healthy in London as single girl/woman barely out of her teens - away of her family who treated her as a 2nd class citizen and before Charles - says otherwise. Her traumatic early family life didnt led her to alcohol or drugs when she was on her own in London. She seemed much more stable than many W & H friends, ie. Guy Pelly

The issues started when moved in with the royals post-engagement. It's telling even a mess as Sarah Ferguson get over her eating disorser after she left the Windsor environmental. Let's if she had met James Hewitt in 1980, I doubt she'd had any of issues she had in 1rst months with Charles. The fact after Charles she repeatedly fell for commoners says a lot IMO. She and Charles obviously werent the type of each other

IMO there a thing very creepy about the Windsors behind the scenes. I bet after the divorce Kate will also look healthy again. Even Camilla who have always been slender become a fat woman through her royal marriage.


Title: Re: 20th anniversary of Diana's death.
Post by: HRH Tiana of NOLA on June 14, 2017, 05:09:29 am
^There isn't enough money on the planet that would get me to marry into that family.


Title: Re: 20th anniversary of Diana's death.
Post by: kolkomilko on June 14, 2017, 08:25:03 am
The more and more skeletons turn up from their cupboard.


Title: Re: 20th anniversary of Diana's death.
Post by: Kuei Fei on June 14, 2017, 10:07:15 am
It is telling that no worldly woman wanted to marry into that family and telling that no one titled wanted to have William.


Title: Re: 20th anniversary of Diana's death.
Post by: sandy on June 14, 2017, 11:22:48 am
I don't think any of this is healthy.

Diana was clearly not healthy by sharing this with non-professionals and I don't think feeling sorry for her is healthy either.

I'm going to get flamed, but I have to get this out:

From an early age, I think Diana was in fact seriously troubled well beyond Charles' infidelity and I do think she was at some point not trying to survive, but close to self destructing. Sane people don't unload on their interviewers and don't record stuff like this with someone other than a professional.

Charles' infidelity didn't cause Diana to break down, in fact, I think it was just the topping on the misery of her early life and struggles. Diana enjoyed life for a while as a socialite in London, but that evening out was disrupted by the time in Charles' life and then marriage, which she was clearly unready for.

I don't think she was "troubled." She was trying to build her own life and worked when she did not really have to. She did not drink and stumble out of clubs like her sons and daughter in law did throughout their twenties. She liked her work as her employers have attested and managed the flat and had an enjoyable time there. Who would be ready for the weirdness of Prince Charles and his family? Maybe if she had been able to spend more time on her own she would have seen through him and not have been so flattered by his attentions. Her family wanted the marriage especially her father. And Charles was built up in the media as this "wonderful" person when he had skeletons in his closet. She was pretty much alone and she did not have her flatmates to confide in when she was moved into Buckingham Palace.  She trusted too much. She found the right person to confide in when she saw the Dr. that helped get her bulimia under control.

Charles like Diana did confide too much. When he saw how popular she was he wrote whining letters to his friends. They "helped" Charles by starting to trash Diana, leak stories to the media and provide hide-outs for Charles and Camilla (who were already meeting up at hunts). Unlike DIana, he never went to a doctor to sort things out. He felt above it all. One woman who barely knew Charles was asked if she ever had morning sickness that his wife was experiencing. Charles had no clue.


Title: Re: 20th anniversary of Diana's death.
Post by: Tatiana on June 15, 2017, 04:18:32 am
  None of Diana's previous employers thought she was troubled, if they had she would not have been allowed to work with vulnerable little children.  The mud thrown by the Charles' camp regarding Diana having "issues" has obviously been swallowed by some.

  Very well put Sandy  :BFF:


Title: Re: 20th anniversary of Diana's death.
Post by: sandy on June 15, 2017, 02:20:58 pm
Thank you Tatiana!

I see the Palace people or PR people are working the comments section. They just keep parroting the Spin of Prince Charles over and over saying Diana had Borderline Personality Disorder, how sensitive Charles is and the howler is when they insist Charles and Camilla were "just friends."


Title: Re: 20th anniversary of Diana's death.
Post by: Fly on the wall on June 15, 2017, 04:27:22 pm
'We were so close, then Harry was born... Bang! Our marriage was down the drain': Ignored by her husband, terrified of her public role and devastated that Charles was back with Camilla. The latest revelations from Diana's tapes

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Title: Re: 20th anniversary of Diana's death.
Post by: sandy on June 15, 2017, 09:13:26 pm
This is very old news. Charles wanted a daughter, etc etc.



Title: Re: 20th anniversary of Diana's death.
Post by: leogirl on June 15, 2017, 10:49:24 pm
If Charles wanted a daughter, he should have stayed with his wife and worked on his marriage. Diana was still young and wanted more children, maybe they could have had a daughter in 1986 or 1987.


Title: Re: 20th anniversary of Diana's death.
Post by: HRHOlya on June 16, 2017, 12:06:34 am
Part VI:

Charles said: Why can't you be all jolly like Fergie? Diana's tapes reveal how the Queen thought she was neurotic and the Queen Mother disliked her - while they found Andrew's wife uncomplicated and fun

Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/femail/article-4609010/The-latest-revelations-Diana-s-tapes.html


Title: Re: 20th anniversary of Diana's death.
Post by: sandy on June 16, 2017, 12:30:57 am
I truly think the Palace has lackeys working in the comments section. They parrot the BOrderline Personality Disorder of Junor and make up stories. There is some guy supposedly from India name Prabu who praises Charles to the skies and makes crude comments about DIana. And the arrowing seems to be monitored. The story about Fergie is ridiculous since the royals soon loathed her and found her an embarrassment. Charles whined about the second not being a daughter which leads me to believe that he had no intention of having any more children since he did his duty and left Diana's bed to go for comfort with Camilla. Some of the comments sound alike by are by different people. And Charles is made to look like some sort of Deity by some of them.


Title: Re: 20th anniversary of Diana's death.
Post by: dianab on June 16, 2017, 01:53:49 am
The story come from Diana!! She sure knew better about their feelings for Fergie when she got married than you or any of us here. Fergie was on good terms with Charles for years. The Queen was very fond of hers too.


Title: Re: 20th anniversary of Diana's death.
Post by: sandy on June 16, 2017, 02:32:29 am
I think since the debacle of Fergie's topless photos appearing in the tabs (and while Fergie was at Balmoral!) the Queen  was fed up. Fergie was unceremoniously ordered to pack and leave the premises. Fergie was especially disappointed in not being invited to William's wedding and told the media this. So all is not well with her and the royals.  If Charles were fond of Fergie he would not have barred her daughters from working. Of course they were fond of Fergie at first. No question about that.


Title: Re: 20th anniversary of Diana's death.
Post by: dianab on June 16, 2017, 12:26:18 pm
Your timeline and the timeline of story I commented are completely opposite. It's beyond me what happened 20 years after Diana died have to do with the story SHE told Morton. PS. I've never said Fergie is on good terms with the Royals


Title: Re: 20th anniversary of Diana's death.
Post by: sandy on June 16, 2017, 01:30:53 pm
She and Diana were persona non grata with the royals by 1992. Fergie got her picture in the paper with the financial adviser. I think Diana and Fergie did for the most part get along. They appeared to have fun together but Fergie had her own issues with Prince Andrew and the marriage.  I think though Diana (had she lived) would have told William to invite Fergie to his wedding. The others did not care much her. The honeymoon period for the royals and Fergie did not last very long since she was running up bills on fashions and so on  and living well beyond her means.


Title: Re: 20th anniversary of Diana's death.
Post by: Kuei Fei on June 16, 2017, 06:26:31 pm
I think Diana was raised in a harder school in regards to upbringing and basically she didn't comprehend why Fergie would cheat on a husband who was not unfaithful or as bullying as Charles was. When I think on it, Fergie was in my view a bad egg for much of her life, given the choices she chose to make.


Title: Re: 20th anniversary of Diana's death.
Post by: jackiew on June 16, 2017, 07:07:27 pm
^ Yup a bad egg then and a bad egg now.


Title: Re: 20th anniversary of Diana's death.
Post by: Kuei Fei on June 16, 2017, 07:51:40 pm
Thing is, that if the press had been free to poke around her past, I wonder how it would have looked, Andrew marrying a woman who was supported and paid for by numerous boyfriends on expensive trips and hanging around the fast set that was certainly not at all pure as driven snow. Men don't pay for a woman's expenses unless they're getting something in return and I do think she has also racked up quite a number in regards to paying her bills.


Title: Re: 20th anniversary of Diana's death.
Post by: jackiew on June 16, 2017, 08:38:48 pm
According to rumors she led a very colorful life before marrying Andrew.


Title: Re: 20th anniversary of Diana's death.
Post by: sandy on June 16, 2017, 09:38:46 pm
Shortly before her first date with Andrew she had broken up with Paddy McNally, an older man who did not want marriage. I recall he was a widower. She broke up with him because he did not commit to her but just live with her.


Title: Re: 20th anniversary of Diana's death.
Post by: jackiew on June 16, 2017, 09:43:55 pm
Yup she lived with Paddy at his ski chalet in Switzerland and also acted as his chalet girl, he strung her along for a while. While in Switzerland its rumored that she acquired quit the reputation.


Title: Re: 20th anniversary of Diana's death.
Post by: Kuei Fei on June 16, 2017, 09:46:10 pm
She did live in the Outback with her sister Jane and then went to Brazil or Argentina. She was hardly unworldly and it's not as if she didn't know about the royal life or about the wider world in general. I do remember a few others besides Paddy, I think there were dozens more lovers than just five.


Title: Re: 20th anniversary of Diana's death.
Post by: jackiew on June 16, 2017, 09:58:25 pm
I think she thought that by marrying into the Royal family they would clean up all her past indiscretions, and that she would have an endless supply of money to spend, that the Royal family would pay all her bills.


Title: Re: 20th anniversary of Diana's death.
Post by: Kuei Fei on June 16, 2017, 10:28:34 pm
I sometimes wonder if whether or not Diana would have ever made up with Fergie. I wonder what the press might reveal about Diana's feelings towards Fergie.


Title: Re: 20th anniversary of Diana's death.
Post by: Fly on the wall on June 16, 2017, 10:41:14 pm
The night I took on Camilla: Diana's tapes reveal how the princess bravely confronted her love rival at a 40th birthday party telling her 'I know exactly what's going on... And I want my husband'

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Title: Re: 20th anniversary of Diana's death.
Post by: sandy on June 16, 2017, 10:53:41 pm
This is also an old story. There is a story on Camilla also  but the comments are being moderated.


Title: Re: 20th anniversary of Diana's death.
Post by: Fly on the wall on June 16, 2017, 11:45:01 pm
everything that's being printed is old news coming up to the 20th they have yet to print any brand new news


Title: Re: 20th anniversary of Diana's death.
Post by: leogirl on June 17, 2017, 12:04:32 am
Well, nothing new to report on someone who's been gone for nearly 20 years. Also, Charles and Camilla are still alive, maybe we'll get more news down the road.


Title: Re: 20th anniversary of Diana's death.
Post by: jackiew on June 17, 2017, 12:05:20 pm
^^IA the Mail is repeating old boring news  :bored: .


Title: Re: 20th anniversary of Diana's death.
Post by: gingerboy24 on June 17, 2017, 12:46:33 pm
After 20 years it is about time the allowed Diana to rest in peace. All this muck raking is disgusting, and I blame the Terrible Twins for start it up with some sort of celebration.  Of course they need the pr, the pair of them, so once again let us haul out the Diana get out of jail card, completely forgetting that it was worn out and in the bin years ago they used it so much.  Many of the younger generation now, born since Diana died, are probably not interested, a lot of the sugars have no doubt passed away.  About time they left her alone.  She had good points and bad points, we all know that, why dredge it all up now.  Many articles on the internet with comments saying it is about time the Terrible Twins grew up and stopped using their mother for pr purposes.  Sorry to say but as much as I liked Diana she spawned two lazy. bleating, unpleant iddiots with those two.


Title: Re: 20th anniversary of Diana's death.
Post by: dianab on June 17, 2017, 12:51:34 pm
She and Diana were persona non grata with the royals by 1992. Fergie got her picture in the paper with the financial adviser. I think Diana and Fergie did for the most part get along. They appeared to have fun together but Fergie had her own issues with Prince Andrew and the marriage.  I think though Diana (had she lived) would have told William to invite Fergie to his wedding. The others did not care much her. The honeymoon period for the royals and Fergie did not last very long since she was running up bills on fashions and so on  and living well beyond her means.

It was well commented in press how the Queen liked Fergie in 1980s. She was friendly with Charles in early-mid 1990s, she was often seen in Highgrove asking Charles for advice.
 
^^IA the Mail is repeating old boring news  :bored: .
The book is being republished. It's reason the transcripts are out again.

I think Diana was raised in a harder school in regards to upbringing and basically she didn't comprehend why Fergie would cheat on a husband who was not unfaithful or as bullying as Charles was. When I think on it, Fergie was in my view a bad egg for much of her life, given the choices she chose to make.

That wasnt the issue of Diana with Fergie. But how Fergie could enjoy her time in Balmoral and Sandringham, when for Diana it was THE most awaful/stressful time of the year. Diana was more unsuitable to royal life than Fergie IMO


Title: Re: 20th anniversary of Diana's death.
Post by: jackiew on June 17, 2017, 01:14:43 pm
^ Well said Ginger  :thumbsup: .


Title: Re: 20th anniversary of Diana's death.
Post by: sandy on June 17, 2017, 02:56:21 pm
She and Diana were persona non grata with the royals by 1992. Fergie got her picture in the paper with the financial adviser. I think Diana and Fergie did for the most part get along. They appeared to have fun together but Fergie had her own issues with Prince Andrew and the marriage.  I think though Diana (had she lived) would have told William to invite Fergie to his wedding. The others did not care much her. The honeymoon period for the royals and Fergie did not last very long since she was running up bills on fashions and so on  and living well beyond her means.

It was well commented in press how the Queen liked Fergie in 1980s. She was friendly with Charles in early-mid 1990s, she was often seen in Highgrove asking Charles for advice.
 
^^IA the Mail is repeating old boring news  :bored: .
The book is being republished. It's reason the transcripts are out again.

I think Diana was raised in a harder school in regards to upbringing and basically she didn't comprehend why Fergie would cheat on a husband who was not unfaithful or as bullying as Charles was. When I think on it, Fergie was in my view a bad egg for much of her life, given the choices she chose to make.

That wasnt the issue of Diana with Fergie. But how Fergie could enjoy her time in Balmoral and Sandringham, when for Diana it was THE most awaful/stressful time of the year. Diana was more unsuitable to royal life than Fergie IMO

The Queen did like Fergie early on. Fergie went horsebackriding with her quite a few times. Diana liked her too because she was the matchmaker for Fergie and Andrew.

Fergie did indeed flatter Charles on the Larry King Show back in the early 2000s. But I doubt it was much of a "friendship" since she was not invited to William's wedding andshe  expressed her disappointment to the media.

I think the Queen was disappointed with Fergie particularly on that day in 1992 when the "topless" photos appeared on the tabs. I don't think Philip could stand her. Fergie's spending habits got out of control as well and she had some real faux pas during her appearances, shouting "I'll see you later" to a man who whistled at her. It was a case of if only...if only she behaved better during public appearances, controlled her spending, and did not cheat on Andrew.  She started off well but it was all downhill.



Title: Re: 20th anniversary of Diana's death.
Post by: jackiew on June 17, 2017, 03:39:41 pm
^ I remember she was a hit with the Royal family in the beginning, she also would join Prince Phillip on his carriage rides. But her public failures and indiscretions resulted in the family turning their backs on her, Prince Phillip even called her a waist of space. About 8 years ago before the 2010 cash-for-access scandal the Queen had invited Fergie to Balmoral when Prince Phillip was away, in an attempt to mend fences and possibly pave a way for remarriage to Andrew.


Title: Re: 20th anniversary of Diana's death.
Post by: Val on April 07, 2018, 07:43:24 pm
http://conspiracy-unlimited.blubrry.net/2018/04/06/052-the-murder-of-princess-diana-was-her-assassination-part-of-an-ancient-royal-cult-of-human-sacrifice/


Title: Re: 20th anniversary of Diana's death.
Post by: HRHOlya on April 10, 2018, 09:27:01 pm
^ I started listening to this as I'm tidying up, very interesting!


Title: Re: 20th anniversary of Diana's death.
Post by: D.I.R. on May 03, 2018, 03:52:52 pm
Diana and the Paparazzi (Full Episode)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=86g057akaNg