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Title: Charles' Toxic Court and Behaviour
Post by: Fly on the wall on April 04, 2017, 01:43:35 am
inside the toxic court of Charles: How the Prince dropped friends over disagreements, brutally dismissed loyal staff and even made digs at The Queen

Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-4377214/Inside-toxic-court-Charles-startling-portrait.html#ixzz4dEl1kRcx
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Title: Re: Charles & Camilla: News and Photos III
Post by: Rosella on April 04, 2017, 02:13:25 am
I can imagine Charles being like that. I've read things before that point that way, and I think he's probably got worse as he's got older.


Title: Re: Charles & Camilla: News and Photos III
Post by: CathyJane on April 04, 2017, 03:33:25 am
Hmm I'm not really surprised. Chucky has always been a spoilted *fool*


Title: The Real Charles .. most of us have known this for years.
Post by: Tatiana on April 04, 2017, 09:05:46 am
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-4377214/Inside-toxic-court-Charles-startling-portrait.html   :JOY:  The comments say a lot.


Title: Re: Charles & Camilla: News and Photos III
Post by: gingerboy24 on April 04, 2017, 12:50:21 pm
Nothing new is here, we always knew he was a petulant, vile critter.  Obviously passed it on to bill medd, two peas in a pod with their nasty natures.


Title: Re: Charles & Camilla: News and Photos III
Post by: Sheridan_is_appalled on April 04, 2017, 02:23:56 pm
With articles like this coming out, I believe this is the beginning of the Royal Takedown.


Title: Re: Charles & Camilla: News and Photos III
Post by: Miss Hathaway on April 04, 2017, 03:15:07 pm
Charles brought down the monarchy when he turned his back on his wife and married his mistress.   If Diana were still The PoW, elegant and charming in her fifties, the monarchy would be more popular because she had a connection to the populace.  She brought the human touch and hid Charles' idiosyncrasies.  She would have kicked his sons' hineys and told them to shape up, as, not matter what, Diana was a Monarchist and supported the Monarchy and did her duty, and she would have steered them to suitable wives.

Instead, Charles had to have his big-bosomed, blowsey mistress and while people may be "tolerating" the marriage, the distaste still lingers.   The sons of the marriage were left on their own in their teens to figure things out without common sense guidance (Diana), and thus we have the mess today.



Title: Re: Charles & Camilla: News and Photos III
Post by: HRHOlya on April 04, 2017, 04:12:00 pm
^^ Well possible. To me it feels though like two camps are at each other's throats/ vying for the public's attention: 1. C&C trying to make "queen Camilla" happen; and 2. the takedown of Charles and therefore the monarchy, with these very revealing anti-Charles (& anti-Cambridge) articles.

No 2 is not that unlikely, at Liz's age the cold from Xmas could have been it and sent Chuck straight to the throne. Well possible that the press is getting ready to unleash all as they said they would after Liz is gone, and a bit of a work-up might quite be necessary, instead of dropping all at once onto the public. Also building up a mood in the public. Very important to achieve a certain goal.
Liz might make another ten years, who's to know.. :dontknow:


Title: Re: Charles & Camilla: News and Photos III
Post by: Sheridan_is_appalled on April 04, 2017, 04:27:02 pm
Chuckles has done himself no favors, that's for sure.


Title: Re: The Real Charles .. most of us have known this for years.
Post by: HRHOlya on April 04, 2017, 04:36:09 pm
These recent anti C articles are interesting, to say the least. What really piked my interest is Emelie van Cutsem, so I googled her and came across an interesting article, which shows what a person and family they are, but also this rather revealing bit about the Winds and their supporters (said by Wilhelmina, Emelie's sister):

"Late in the Eighties, however, that sisterly frankness was to cause the first crack in their closeness. Prince Charles and Mrs Camilla Parker Bowles, having reignited their passion, were relying on the generosity of friends giving them the discreet use of their homes for romantic trysts.

One of these homes was Anmer in Norfolk, former home of the Duke and Duchess of Kent and, at that time, being rented by the accommodating van Cutsems.

'I told Emilie I couldn't understand how they could do that, with Hugh being a very devout Catholic who went to his priest almost every day to get absolution for practically everything that he might have done wrong,' recalls Wilhelmina.

'I said I thought it hypocritical.
Emilie and I are not Catholics, but she became very cross and said it had absolutely nothing to do with me. I thought I could speak honestly to my sister, but they didn't like it. And, you know, our relationship was never really the same again.

'The more they were involved with the royals, the worse it seemed to be. I've noticed that when people become involved with the Royal Family, they often become secretive, difficult - it's so sad, isn't it.

'As soon as it happens, friends become jealous of each other and agonise over each other's invitations. I'm glad I'm not like that. I like the Royal Family and am very happy to see them - we've had lunch with the Queen at Newbury and we've met other royals at my sister's house when we were still talking - but it's of no real importance whatsoever. But it is important to Emilie.

'I sometimes think it's made them live a little bit beyond their means, but when you get in with high-powered people, that's what happens, isn't it?' "

Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1048473/They-Charless-closest-confidantes-van-Cutsem-sisters-embroiled-clash-35m-fortune.html


Title: Re: The Real Charles .. most of us have known this for years.
Post by: Sheridan_is_appalled on April 04, 2017, 04:46:11 pm
^ I don't believe the use of these homes was given out of generosity.  I think threats were made.


Title: Re: The Real Charles .. most of us have known this for years.
Post by: gingerboy24 on April 04, 2017, 05:17:03 pm
^Agree.  The aristocracy must hide and cover so many things for the rf, I think it might curl our hair, and fast.


Title: Re: The Real Charles .. most of us have known this for years.
Post by: HRHOlya on April 04, 2017, 06:18:14 pm
I always wondered how they just gave their keys, vacated their own [family] home, so that C&C could have a shag. And then as it turns out someone who is so deeply Catholic. No wonder he went every day for absolution. Hotels, as I eralier said, were out of the question, but actually they weren't. Some of the grandest hotels are known to keep absolutely quiet, and even a tiny B&B would have kept quiet, to stay in favour with the RF, no? Unless they were in Di's side at the time, but that could have been sussed out.

That I never thought of that earlier, but yes indeed, threats, deals & favourable treatment were well possibly done. How I never saw the possibility earlier I don't know.. Definitely good to hear what you all have to say, when my own brain lacks common sense  kisss


Title: Re: The Real Charles .. most of us have known this for years.
Post by: Kuei Fei on April 04, 2017, 10:45:12 pm
^ I don't believe the use of these homes was given out of generosity.  I think threats were made.
^Agree.  The aristocracy must hide and cover so many things for the rf, I think it might curl our hair, and fast.

I wager the aristocrats might in fact be writhing over the fact that they're duty bound to be loyal to the Windsors and must basically put up with so much from that family. Queen Mary would take objects that interested her outright and if a member of the RF wants to visit, the entire house has to turn itself inside/out and put up with way too much. Then the men have to watch as their wives get used, or their daughters get used sexually by the princes and then discarded callously. Then of course how the RF treated one of their own (Diana and Fergie) and spent a lot of time putting up with the Middletons panting after William and then had to take legal action against Pippa to get her to back off from Earl Percy. Now the aristos will have to deal with James (Middleton) stalking their daughters and female relatives.


Title: Re: Charles & Camilla: News and Photos III
Post by: CathyJane on April 05, 2017, 02:35:37 am
^^ Well possible. To me it feels though like two camps are at each other's throats/ vying for the public's attention: 1. C&C trying to make "queen Camilla" happen; and 2. the takedown of Charles and therefore the monarchy, with these very revealing anti-Charles (& anti-Cambridge) articles.

No 2 is not that unlikely, at Liz's age the cold from Xmas could have been it and sent Chuck straight to the throne. Well possible that the press is getting ready to unleash all as they said they would after Liz is gone, and a bit of a work-up might quite be necessary, instead of dropping all at once onto the public. Also building up a mood in the public. Very important to achieve a certain goal.
Liz might make another ten years, who's to know.. :dontknow:

It is entirely possible Liz make indeed live another 10 years; but she has to be under huge pressures with her heir and his 'wife' and Willy and his mess. 


Title: Re: Charles & Camilla: News and Photos III
Post by: Rosella on April 05, 2017, 03:03:19 am
^^^ The anti Charles articles are in the DM primarily because the author Sally Bedell Smith has written a new biography of Charles and the Daily Fail is serialising it (in its usual cherry picking way.)

 The biography is due out this week, and I'm looking forward to it appearing on my Kindle. Sally has previously written a well known biography of Diana of course and the DM published some of her new and old searing conclusions about Diana earlier this week, as well as painting Charles as saint like for putting up with her. They are also going to be in SBS's new book.

The point is, though, that the DM wouldn't have published any of these revelations about Charles if this forthcoming book wasn't being serialised by them. These disclosures about his character aren't from DM journos but from Bedell Smith. These excerpts will end with publication and the DM will go back to playing its good cop bad cop routine with the royals that attracts click bait and which they've done for years.


Title: Re: Charles & Camilla: News and Photos III
Post by: Kuei Fei on April 05, 2017, 03:50:32 am
With articles like this coming out, I believe this is the beginning of the Royal Takedown.

Odd since before, it was believed that Sally was writing a biography that would praise Charles to the high heavens. Now suddenly he's being exposed as an autocratic egotist who is quietly praying that his own flesh and blood mother drops dead so he can usher in a New Age utopia.

I wonder who he made an enemy of lately.


Title: Re: Charles & Camilla: News and Photos III
Post by: sandy on April 05, 2017, 12:09:30 pm
For all his "intellectual" posturing, Charles is a darn fool IMO. If he thought people would be sympathetic to his spin about himself and Camilla he really is deluded. Bedell Smith does not like Diana and her spin is laughable. Several comments in the DM ridiculed the story of Charles praying.


Title: Re: Charles' Toxic Court and Behaviour
Post by: Alexandrine on April 05, 2017, 08:38:52 pm
I always wondered how they just gave their keys, vacated their own [family] home, so that C&C could have a shag. And then as it turns out someone who is so deeply Catholic. No wonder he went every day for absolution. Hotels, as I eralier said, were out of the question, but actually they weren't. Some of the grandest hotels are known to keep absolutely quiet, and even a tiny B&B would have kept quiet, to stay in favour with the RF, no? Unless they were in Di's side at the time, but that could have been sussed out.

That I never thought of that earlier, but yes indeed, threats, deals & favourable treatment were well possibly done. How I never saw the possibility earlier I don't know.. Definitely good to hear what you all have to say, when my own brain lacks common sense  kisss

I think your previous article explains it. There is no need of threats. People wanted access to Charles and if they didn't help it they wouldn't get it. People like the Cutsems that are not really part of the aristo set and need the RF would have done anything. It's nothing new. It's like the Midds with a bit more style.


Title: Re: Charles' Toxic Court and Behaviour
Post by: Rosella on April 06, 2017, 12:00:42 am
The people offering Charles and Camilla a chance to sleep together were often people in the country gentry hunting, shooting set that Charles and Camilla had known for years and years. They wouldn't always have vacated their homes, indeed that might have looked strange to any domestic staff employed. A small house party of a few very close friends, adjacent bedrooms and everyone concerned turning a blind eye. That's the way it's been done for centuries.

By the mid 1980's many in Charles's circle would have realised that the Wales marriage was in big trouble. Many weren't overly sympathetic to Diana anyway, because she wasn't of their set and hadn't been from the beginning. They chose sides and it came down on Charles's  because of (a) long friendships and (b) his status as POW and future king, a  position with far more influence and social exclusiveness among the elite than his wife's, popular though she was among the people.

(I except from this cynical lot who knew what side their bread was buttered on and in many cases hadn't cared for Diana anyway, Emillie van Cutsem. She had taken Diana under her wing and been like a second mother in the early years of the Wales marriage. Her betrayal in helping C-C at Anmer was a betrayal of the highest order IMO and must have been like a dagger to Diana's heart when she found out.)


Title: Re: Charles' Toxic Court and Behaviour
Post by: sandy on April 06, 2017, 01:28:58 am
I think the Wales marriage was always in deep trouble thanks to Camilla. She was said to be meeting up with Charles at hunts (where Diana did not go) and house parties.


Title: Re: Charles' Toxic Court and Behaviour
Post by: Tatiana on April 06, 2017, 10:24:22 pm
  Those who attended the Beaufort Hunt said that Charles and Camilla would disappear together in the middle of a hunt.  Charles' valet Stephen Barry said in his book that Charles suddenly took up hunting right after his marriage .   So much for not being together until both boys were born.   bignono


Title: Re: Charles' Toxic Court and Behaviour
Post by: sandy on April 07, 2017, 12:39:25 pm
And Stephen Barry wrote that Charles would ring up Camilla during his honeymoon with Diana. I read an excerpt in the DM of the Bedell Smith love letter to Charles, and Camilla pregnant with her second child would call Charles to tell her how bad her marriage is. Disgusting.


Title: Re: Charles' Toxic Court and Behaviour
Post by: CathyJane on April 08, 2017, 04:04:41 am
Ugh. They are both nasty parasites


Title: Re: Charles' Toxic Court and Behaviour
Post by: Stargazer on April 14, 2017, 02:46:50 pm
Prince Charles' secret tension with newlyweds William and Kate: How the royal was 'irked' by the couple's 'tasteless' photo opportunities on their 2011 Canada tour

Prince Charle, 68, was reportedly 'irked' when William and Kate's first overseas tour to Canada turned into one long photo opportunity, according to royal biographer Sally Bedell Smith.


William and Kate visited Canada and LA two months after wedding in 2011
Prince felt tour featured too many 'tasteless' photo opportunities
Couple posed in cowboy hats as they launched the Calgary Stampede
Kate suffered embarrassing wardrobe malfunction at Calgary Airport  
It was their first official overseas visit together as a married couple and newlyweds Kate and William charmed the crowds all the way from Calgary to California on their 10-day royal tour of Canada and LA.
But while they may have won new legions of fans, Prince Charles was not best pleased with their efforts, according to Sally Bedell Smith's biography of the future king. 
According to the writer, the Prince thought the trip featured too many 'tasteless' photo ops, and he 'wasn't pleased with the camera-friendly couple'.
And he was 'more than a little irked' at the pair treating their overseas trip too much like a personal holiday.
They travelled with a small entourage and made a visit to Prince Edward Island at Kate's specific request - apparently mindful of the fact that Charles and Diana's 1983 Canada tour was based entirely around the Prince's interests and none of his wife's. 
The Canada tour saw the couple pose up a storm in cowboy hats when they were given the honour of pressing the button to launch the legendary Calgary Stampede.
But Kate later made headlines for the wrong reasons as her feather-light Jenny Packham yellow frock was blown up by a gust of wind. 
Some rather revealing photos of the incident published online led to intense discussion as to whether she was wearing any underwear or not, which was no doubt a source of embarrassment to the new Duchess of Cambridge. 
Shortly after the tour, royal author Phil Dampier told The Mirror there was a certain rivalry between father and son following William's marriage to Kate. 
'When Charles and Camilla visited Canada two years ago they were greeted by relatively small crowds. They are in their 60s and are not what you would call glamorous,' he said. 
By contrast, William and Kate received a rapturous reception from huge crowds, with half a million people turning out to see them on one day alone.  

 

Fair enough he was annoyed at the pics of waity - not sure why they were guided to make tasteless pics for the media but it Sounds like he's  jealous of the attention that W&W get! It's not about the promotion of the firm, it's all about him. Poor dear! A life filled with bitterness, first with Diana and now his sons.

 Apropros Diana, Mrs Clwyd asked why she didn’t spend more time in Wales, given that she was Princess of Wales. 
Diana, by then divorced, said: ‘I don’t want to tread on Charles’s toes and make it difficult for my sons.’


Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/debate/article-4410806/Diana-thought-John-Major-feeble-Labour-MP-reveals.html#ixzz4eEAt9Cis 
 




http://www.dailymail.co.uk/femail/article-4405622/Prince-Charles-secret-feud-newlyweds-William-Kate.html



Title: Re: Charles' Toxic Court and Behaviour
Post by: Kuei Fei on April 14, 2017, 04:03:13 pm
Thing is, that I believe if Charles spent time in Wales, as Prince of Wales, he might in fact have had a far less mess of a personal life. I have never understood why so many members of the RF never reside in the province that their title contains. For example, if WK spent time in Cambridgeshire, it would likely have a beneficial effect and if Andrew and the princesses lived in Yorkshire/York, they would likely get into less trouble and their titles would in fact end up being very relevant and they would likely become able to participate in royal life more. Oddly, in the past, princes of Wales would be sent to Wales to rule for a while and get a hand on running things. Amazing how Charles can't find time to actually go to Wales often when he has spare time.


Title: Re: Charles' Toxic Court and Behaviour
Post by: dianab on April 22, 2017, 08:14:48 pm
sure why they were guided to make tasteless pics for the media but it Sounds like he's  jealous of the attention that W&W get! It's not about the promotion of the firm, it's all about him. Poor dear! A life filled with bitterness, first with Diana and now his sons.
I wonder if this deep hatred that Charles has with anyone that gets in his way, is one 'genetic' thing (from QM)  :tehe: or just influence of his 'beloved nana'  :Kate: that only cared for him because he was born future king....

truthful comments about QM in this article:

CarolynK, Yorkshire., United Kingdom, 4 hours ago
Actually if you look into it, she certainly wanted her husband to be king as she was desperate to be queen. That woman was instrumental in getting Edward VIII exiled. It was he she wanted, but he wasn't interested in her. She was very jealous of Wallace and hated her with a passion!

Vincent, Plymouth, United Kingdom, 3 hours ago
She chased David (Edward VIII) first, before settling for Albert (George VI), I imagine she was far more pro-abdication than she ever made out in later life, as demonstrated by the never-ending vitriol towards her brother-in-law and his wife. She was nothing more than a bitter and twisted old soak.


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Title: Re: Charles' Toxic Court and Behaviour
Post by: Tatiana on April 25, 2017, 10:52:35 pm
  Charles' grannie allowed him to bring his married mistresses to her home to have rumpy pumpy with them,  he was also married at the time.  The Queen Mother was a horrible woman no matter what the PR says about her.   She is responsible for him being so spoiled and entitled.   :thumbsdown:


Title: Re: Charles' Toxic Court and Behaviour
Post by: sandy on April 25, 2017, 11:05:03 pm
There's a photo of Charles and Camilla (while married to others) leaving one of the QUeen Mum's properties (which she gave them as a safe house). She made Charles feel like the Center of the Universe which was a very bad thing.


Title: Re: Charles' Toxic Court and Behaviour
Post by: windsor2 on April 22, 2018, 02:54:47 pm
'He's difficult to work with': Royal staff open up about demanding boss Prince Charles - amid claims he will FIRE aides he doesn't like on becoming king
Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/femail/article-5643549/Hes-difficult-work-Prince-Charles-described-difficult.html#ixzz5DPQ7SaFM


Title: Re: Charles' Toxic Court and Behaviour
Post by: Rosella on April 22, 2018, 03:12:20 pm
That must be a lovely environment to work in. Knowing that soon after your 92 year old employer passes on you might as well clear out your office desk and depart!


Title: Re: Charles' Toxic Court and Behaviour
Post by: marion on April 22, 2018, 03:31:51 pm
Just about sums that family up


Title: Re: Charles' Toxic Court and Behaviour
Post by: LadyLaura on April 22, 2018, 06:29:31 pm
I used to wonder why it was called the Firm  :tehe: they really are just a corporation.


Title: Re: Charles' Toxic Court and Behaviour
Post by: Ariel on April 23, 2018, 07:26:29 am
I was wondering who made Charles so entitled and 'difficult' if he's not the Queen's favorite and there you go. It's a miracle that Liz turned out fine despite her as
a mother and a meddler.


Title: Re: Charles' Toxic Court and Behaviour
Post by: leogirl on April 24, 2018, 05:05:07 am
It's probably because Elizabeth started out as a York princess (expected that her uncle's children would reign) and then she was training to be Queen. Her father was still alive until she was 25. However, he passed away when Charles was 3 so he wasn't able to stop the QM's meddling in that case.


Title: Re: Charles' Toxic Court and Behaviour
Post by: D.I.R. on July 28, 2018, 11:24:36 pm
The Madness of Prince Charles (British Royal Family Documentary) | Timeline
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R-gUy3X29vc


Title: Re: Charles' Toxic Court and Behaviour
Post by: D.I.R. on August 11, 2018, 07:11:37 am
Prince Charles' Other Mistress | FULL LENGTH | MagellanTV
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JZzoDzWrrqI


Title: Re: Charles' Toxic Court and Behaviour
Post by: india on August 11, 2018, 01:27:38 pm
^ This is so tragic.


Title: Re: Charles' Toxic Court and Behaviour
Post by: sandy on August 11, 2018, 07:50:00 pm
Charles was really nasty to Kanga discarding her like an old shoe. He could not have even been bothered to talk to her on the phone.


Title: Re: Charles' Toxic Court and Behaviour
Post by: india on August 11, 2018, 08:27:49 pm
Good God. His cold behavior is terrible. Can you imagine how monstrous he was to his young wife?


Title: Re: Charles' Toxic Court and Behaviour
Post by: Kuei Fei on August 23, 2018, 07:00:33 pm
Very monstrous no doubt.

No wonder no older and more savvy woman wanted to marry him, they knew how cold and cruel he could be to the women in his life. This is also a man who expected his supposed soul mate sit and watch while he married another woman, making it clear, sadistically clear, that all she would ever be is his sidepiece for life. I dislike Camilla, but imagine being in a cathedral and seeing another woman be lauded as perfect and in love and seeing your supposed soul mate pledge undying fealty. However much it was a lie and Camilla had his heart, he always sent the message that she, Camilla, would never be good enough to be the mother of his children. Always on the side.


Title: Re: Charles' Toxic Court and Behaviour
Post by: sandy on August 23, 2018, 07:12:11 pm
For all the spin that he was "prevented from" marrying Camilla, he still told his biographer Dimbleby that he felt he was not ready to marry Camilla when he first met her. The myth that he was "stopped" persists. It could well be that he did not want to marry her and have her be the mother of royal children. There is snobbery as part of Charles' nature. He could well have thought she was not "good enough" to marry but "good enough" to be a mistress. The trouble was she got greedy and wanted it all. His confession of adultery I believe sealed the deal and he became obligated to Camilla. Her father even confronted him. I don't feel at all sorry for Camilla she is a conniver and without that added ingredient she may well have ended up like Kanga. She knew how to push the right buttons and manipulate.  I never thought C and C were soulmates. If Charles did not play that card it would be the sordid mess that it really is. Charles was with many women but Camilla had the manipulative nature to outlast the others. IMO.


Title: Re: Charles' Toxic Court and Behaviour
Post by: marion on August 23, 2018, 08:50:20 pm
^ I'd rather not. He's a cold s*d who discards people much like murky does.


Title: Re: Charles' Toxic Court and Behaviour
Post by: Kuei Fei on August 29, 2018, 10:00:10 pm
For all the spin that he was "prevented from" marrying Camilla, he still told his biographer Dimbleby that he felt he was not ready to marry Camilla when he first met her. The myth that he was "stopped" persists. It could well be that he did not want to marry her and have her be the mother of royal children. There is snobbery as part of Charles' nature. He could well have thought she was not "good enough" to marry but "good enough" to be a mistress. The trouble was she got greedy and wanted it all. His confession of adultery I believe sealed the deal and he became obligated to Camilla. Her father even confronted him. I don't feel at all sorry for Camilla she is a conniver and without that added ingredient she may well have ended up like Kanga. She knew how to push the right buttons and manipulate.  I never thought C and C were soulmates. If Charles did not play that card it would be the sordid mess that it really is. Charles was with many women but Camilla had the manipulative nature to outlast the others. IMO.

Thing is, that in that set, even immorality has rules that have to be followed. Camilla was supposed to supply her husband an heir and spare of undoubted lineage of his own and then she would be free to play around with Charles. Charles is like a lot of men, very snooty about who is good enough to bear his heirs and Camilla just wasn't posh enough and she wasn't going to be able to enter the world stage with her kind of past. No Arab/Middle Eastern sovereign would have received her and feted her (the Eighties were still hyper-conservative about the kind of woman who would be welcomed in high circles) and certainly during that era, looks were EVERYTHING. The entire BRF liked her well enough as 'one of their own' and condescended to attend her wedding, but NOT as a consort of a future king.


Title: Re: Charles' Toxic Court and Behaviour
Post by: CathyJane on August 31, 2018, 02:34:43 am
Very monstrous no doubt.

No wonder no older and more savvy woman wanted to marry him, they knew how cold and cruel he could be to the women in his life. This is also a man who expected his supposed soul mate sit and watch while he married another woman, making it clear, sadistically clear, that all she would ever be is his sidepiece for life. I dislike Camilla, but imagine being in a cathedral and seeing another woman be lauded as perfect and in love and seeing your supposed soul mate pledge undying fealty. However much it was a lie and Camilla had his heart, he always sent the message that she, Camilla, would never be good enough to be the mother of his children. Always on the side.

But she and Kanga were the ones who supposedly picked out Diana; she knew Chucky was going to marry Diana. I can't feel sorry for Cams.


Title: Re: Charles' Toxic Court and Behaviour
Post by: sandy on August 31, 2018, 02:28:33 pm
Camilla knew IMO she was in the drivers seat the whole time. Charles just had to get those heirs and Camilla even faked a friendship with Diana. Horrible woman IMO.


Title: Re: Charles' Toxic Court and Behaviour
Post by: Alexandrine on August 31, 2018, 03:24:55 pm
I think this is off topic. TY


Title: Re: Charles' Toxic Court and Behaviour
Post by: Kuei Fei on September 11, 2018, 04:47:47 am
I think his vaunted 'court' is a sphere of perverts and other demented values that would scandalize the devil himself. You know, he can't even refrain from scheming about what he'll do when his mother dies, something that becomes more clear year by year that he yearns for. No one is under the illusion that Charles cares about his mother as a human being, he only sees her as some sort of obstacle to his glorious life of ruling and running things as autocratically as HM does, but only more openly.


Title: Re: Charles' Toxic Court and Behaviour
Post by: sandy on September 11, 2018, 01:59:38 pm
Fawcett runs the show IMO. Charles' releasing his "coronation" plans is perverse IMO


Title: Re: Charles' Toxic Court and Behaviour
Post by: Kuei Fei on September 11, 2018, 08:42:39 pm
I do believe Charles is the most ungrateful heir since forever; I don't believe that Charles is going to want some kind of simple investiture, but would prefer something very grand. I bet you ANYTHING that he will do all he can to get Camilla crowned next to him, sitting her overripe rump on the sacred throne of Queen Consorts.


Title: Re: Charles' Toxic Court and Behaviour
Post by: beline on September 12, 2018, 09:55:04 am
He definitely will. I never believed for one second the BS at the time of his marriage to Cams in 2005 about her becoming a Princess consort instead of a Queen when the times comes.  :laundry:
And the disappearance of that question from their official website some months ago is very telling.

Mark my words, he will have her crowned at his side. Exactly like his grandmother the Queen mum was in 1936 with George VI.


Title: Re: Charles' Toxic Court and Behaviour
Post by: india on September 12, 2018, 03:18:03 pm
^^ KF, I love Camilla being referred to as "Overripe Rump". Perfect description for that manipulative old hag.


Title: Re: Charles' Toxic Court and Behaviour
Post by: Kuei Fei on September 15, 2018, 09:48:38 am
He definitely will. I never believed for one second the BS at the time of his marriage to Cams in 2005 about her becoming a Princess consort instead of a Queen when the times comes.  :laundry:
And the disappearance of that question from their official website some months ago is very telling.

Mark my words, he will have her crowned at his side. Exactly like his grandmother the Queen mum was in 1936 with George VI.

The Queen Mother must be spinning like crazy in her grave; first she viewed Edward VIII's abdication as the fault of a mistress who ended up becoming a wife; after her death, yet another mistress became a wife and this time around, the ex-mistress who became a wife will probably become a crowned Queen Consort. I am certain that Wallis Simpson is owed a major apology and I do believe that the best thing in the world would be to rehabilitate Wallis' image. I'm disgusted that Wallis got all sorts of abuse and had to put up with the Queen Mother engaging in a lifelong vendetta against her and now a former mistress who busted up a prestigious dynastic marriage will become crowned with the crown of former Queen Consorts and be anointed with the sacred holy oil and have the instruments of sovereign authority placed in her hands while sitting on the ancient thrones.


Title: Re: Charles' Toxic Court and Behaviour
Post by: buflesse on September 15, 2018, 12:12:46 pm
I think Charles is seething that he hasn't got his hands on the throne yet. He is facing the prospect of not being King for several more years, and we don't know that he will live as long as the Queen. When the Queen dies the monarchy will be even more of a mess than it already is - Charles and ghastly Camilla on the throne, holding court at Windsor Castle with his giant entourage of servants and meddling in politics. Will and Waity continuing to barely work, using kids as an excuse. Harry and Meghan being trashy as always with Meghan as a modern day Marie Antoinette. The women drooling all over HM's jewels. The ugly Cambs children growing up. Fergie still desperate to make Bea and Eug relevant. HM's death will be the downfall of the monarchy.


Title: Re: Charles' Toxic Court and Behaviour
Post by: sandy on September 15, 2018, 12:29:01 pm
He definitely will. I never believed for one second the BS at the time of his marriage to Cams in 2005 about her becoming a Princess consort instead of a Queen when the times comes.  :laundry:
And the disappearance of that question from their official website some months ago is very telling.

Mark my words, he will have her crowned at his side. Exactly like his grandmother the Queen mum was in 1936 with George VI.

The Queen Mother must be spinning like crazy in her grave; first she viewed Edward VIII's abdication as the fault of a mistress who ended up becoming a wife; after her death, yet another mistress became a wife and this time around, the ex-mistress who became a wife will probably become a crowned Queen Consort. I am certain that Wallis Simpson is owed a major apology and I do believe that the best thing in the world would be to rehabilitate Wallis' image. I'm disgusted that Wallis got all sorts of abuse and had to put up with the Queen Mother engaging in a lifelong vendetta against her and now a former mistress who busted up a prestigious dynastic marriage will become crowned with the crown of former Queen Consorts and be anointed with the sacred holy oil and have the instruments of sovereign authority placed in her hands while sitting on the ancient thrones.

THe Queen's mum being "dotty" over Charles caused her to allow married Charles and Married Camilla to go at it at one of her residences. THere are photos of the two leaving one of the QUeen Mum's residences. She just added fuel to the fire and Camilla was not going to settle for being mistress, once she got her toe in the door, she had her ambitions though pretended she did not want anything.   Wallis did not break up a royal marriage. The Queen Mother acting all high and mighty was a joke. She brought on the age of C and C even though she expressed "outrage" over Wallis.


Title: Re: Charles' Toxic Court and Behaviour
Post by: Kuei Fei on September 15, 2018, 03:47:21 pm
The Queen Mother didn't mind Camilla as a mistress, but she was violently against the divorce. She was a hypocrite of the first order and a fool, mainly since it didn't occur to her that Camilla might not be content as mistress. As Windsor, she blamed Diana for getting out of an abusive marriage rather than endure with a stiff upper lip.


Title: Re: Charles' Toxic Court and Behaviour
Post by: sandy on September 19, 2018, 03:28:46 pm
I'm going to move this over from the Meghan and Harry thread. Charles seems to be having many "unbirthdays" before the real one. I don't think it a big deal that M and H miss the party Camilla is having for him. I doubt the Queen will show up or many of the other royals. Maybe the PBs will be there, the ex and the children and grandchildren.


Title: Re: Charles' Toxic Court and Behaviour
Post by: CathyJane on September 19, 2018, 05:47:49 pm
He definitely will. I never believed for one second the BS at the time of his marriage to Cams in 2005 about her becoming a Princess consort instead of a Queen when the times comes.  :laundry:
And the disappearance of that question from their official website some months ago is very telling.

Mark my words, he will have her crowned at his side. Exactly like his grandmother the Queen mum was in 1936 with George VI.

The Queen Mother must be spinning like crazy in her grave; first she viewed Edward VIII's abdication as the fault of a mistress who ended up becoming a wife; after her death, yet another mistress became a wife and this time around, the ex-mistress who became a wife will probably become a crowned Queen Consort. I am certain that Wallis Simpson is owed a major apology and I do believe that the best thing in the world would be to rehabilitate Wallis' image. I'm disgusted that Wallis got all sorts of abuse and had to put up with the Queen Mother engaging in a lifelong vendetta against her and now a former mistress who busted up a prestigious dynastic marriage will become crowned with the crown of former Queen Consorts and be anointed with the sacred holy oil and have the instruments of sovereign authority placed in her hands while sitting on the ancient thrones.


Assuming the old bat actually made it to Heaven, I'll bet Wallis threw shade all over her when Chucky married Cams.  8)


Title: Re: Charles' Toxic Court and Behaviour
Post by: Kuei Fei on September 25, 2018, 08:07:19 am
I do think Wallis Simpson is getting her revenge, especially when Harry married Meg; no one saw that coming and I do believe that at least Wallis had a genuinely impossible time. Wallis lived in a time when society women were FORBIDDEN to make a career and she left her first husband after he beat her nearly to death. She didn't have mounds of money and didn't have a chance at life the way Meg did.

Charles must rue the day he married Camilla and basically it all went downhill when that happened. I don't think Charles realizes just how little of a monarchy is actually left and his nonstop scheming against his Sovereign is what is causing it.


Title: Re: Charles' Toxic Court and Behaviour
Post by: sandy on September 25, 2018, 01:26:00 pm
No wallis' revenge came when someone far worse than she was broke up a royal marriage and saw off the wife. After the Queen Mum thought Charles was oh so great and "superior" to his great Uncle. Very ironic. Meghan can never be Queen Consort but Camilla can. And Wallis dressed better.

Charles I doubt "rues the day" he has to try to whitewash it to the extent her has Junor revile Diana in print. If he had not opened his mouth and outed Camilla as mistress he could have gotten away with marrying someone else. He did something unprecedented. Naming the mistress publicly and forcing the husband to divorce. Wallis' husband took the blame for the divorce.


Title: Re: Charles' Toxic Court and Behaviour
Post by: Kuei Fei on September 26, 2018, 08:17:56 am
You know, I wonder WHY Charles would do that, publicly name his mistress; he ended up blowing Camilla's marriage to bits and I do think that like Wallis, Camilla was content to be married to her husband and still would be if in fact Charles (like Edward VIII) weren't so childishly dependent on her.

As for remarriage, all that ended the minute Camilla was outed and it also became clear through Camilla's PR campaign that she was never going to let him go this time to another woman. I often wonder if Camilla had a hand in that public outing of her relationship with Charles somehow. Diana also publicly named Camilla as well. Since the PR demanded some kind of perverse fairy tale, it would have been impossible for Charles to find someone new and young to bring him more children/heirs and I do believe that he would have liked to marry someone else. Maybe a foreign aristocrat with the same level of ambition in the Spencer family, or maybe a deposed royal princess.

Instead he's stuck presiding over a small court of his own loaded with freaks and perverts.


Title: Re: Charles' Toxic Court and Behaviour
Post by: sandy on September 26, 2018, 06:34:03 pm
Diana never publicly named Camilla until after Charles did. In 1995 with the famous comment there were three of us in this marriage so it was a bit crowded.

Charles named Camilla in 1994.

Morton never wrote that Camilla was Charles mistress or lover, just his 'friend' he did not want to be sued. There was some wiggle room because Charles friends rushed out to say he and Camilla were just friends. And some believed it.


Title: Re: Charles' Toxic Court and Behaviour
Post by: Alexandrine on September 26, 2018, 07:42:36 pm
Off topic...


Title: Re: Charles' Toxic Court and Behaviour
Post by: Kuei Fei on November 15, 2018, 09:48:14 pm
You know, in the past, a Prince of Wales would be shipped off to the Welsh Marches and reside in Ludlow castle and hold court there, kind of as a training for being the future Sovereign. I genuinely believe that if Charles were to have been assigned to live in Wales and work on bettering the lives of his subjects as king in training, he would have had less time to mess with Camilla and mess with his toxic Highgrove set. If he'd been ordered to live in Wales and make something of his time and training there, I'm certain he would in fact have ended up with a lot more respect. That set is part and parcel just a bunch of people with too much time and money on their hands and clearly none of them have grown or matured. He's not the Prince of Cornwall or Prince of Highgrove.

If he'd been holding court is an officially appointed Viceroy representing Her Majesty as titular head of Wales, it would have been perfect mainly since he is the Prince of Wales and he is in fact someone who should be serving the principality of Wales.


Title: Re: Charles' Toxic Court and Behaviour
Post by: sandy on November 15, 2018, 11:36:11 pm
Yes, Charles should have been having his own court at Ludlow. I agree.


Title: Re: Charles' Toxic Court and Behaviour
Post by: Kuei Fei on November 15, 2018, 11:58:54 pm
Thanks.

If he had been forced to live where his title resides, his primary title, I am dead sure that he would be a better man. He would in fact likely be doing a fantastic job by now mainly since despite his doltishness at times, he has the energy and savvy to make change. Look at all the Prince's Trust has done and look at how the Duchy of Cornwall is thriving. If he had brought that savvy to Wales, he would be lauded as a fantastic future leader and he would certainly be someone who would have set a fantastic example to his two sons. Diana would be a mini-queen as Princess of Wales and would be acting as a provincial vicereine and Charles would be a Viceroy in all but name. The entire principality would be a buzzing cultural center and Charles would have a lot more credibility as a voice of influence and expertise.

He would be too busy for a mistress, or at least his mistress and her allies would be firmly on the sidelines and not able to undermine the consort. The public in Wales would also not tolerate any of her BS, which only would bring the bonus of a much reduced chance of complications or drama or troublemaking. Instead he was allowed to waste himself in a decadent social set that has done nothing but undermine his development and maturity.