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Title: EU Referendum in the UK 2016
Post by: marion on February 02, 2016, 01:39:52 pm
Cameron says he has got a deal with the EU but if you read carefully he has done no such thing - there are still so many details to be thrashed out. Until the deal is done those Tory MP's that want to campaign to leave have been gagged but no doubt it will be rigged to go the way call-me-dave wants like another referendum or ballot boxes will go missing as happened in the last General Election

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3427892/Theresa-demands-tougher-rules-migrants-Boris-Johnson-warns-needs-hours-PM-unveils-deal-Brussels.html


https://www.google.co.uk/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=6&cad=rja&uact=8&ved=0ahUKEwi2_K67mtnKAhVIQBoKHTwPBuAQFgg9MAU&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.telegraph.co.uk%2Fnews%2Fpolitics%2Fnigel-farage%2F11602620%2FPolice-probe-allegation-of-electoral-fraud-in-Thanet-South.html&usg=AFQjCNGMYdT1S0VAcarrXmWN0l203Q-XsA

https://www.google.co.uk/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=1&cad=rja&uact=8&ved=0ahUKEwjfk-T_mtnKAhXIzxQKHUCwBDoQFggfMAA&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.independent.co.uk%2Fnews%2Fuk%2Fpolitics%2Flocal-council-finds-two-missing-ballot-boxes-after-announcing-winning-candidate-10238527.html&usg=AFQjCNFquZBe_bJu8fSUUC3Ci56Jzebj7Q&bvm=bv.113034660,d.ZWU


Title: Re: EU Referendum in the UK 2016
Post by: marion on February 03, 2016, 01:57:05 pm
More is coming out about this so-called wonderful deal Cameron has negotiated.

 http://www.google.co.uk/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=8&cad=rja&uact=8&sqi=2&ved=0ahUKEwiy5emQ3NvKAhUGVhoKHdr0BqwQFgg9MAc&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.telegraph.co.uk%2Fnews%2Fnewstopics%2Feureferendum%2F12135328%2FEU-referendum-draft-deal-revealed-by-Donald-Tusk-live.html&usg=AFQjCNH1sXo52vhkEsdZBj6nCsstPTUFlQ&bvm=bv.113034660,d.ZWU

The draft UK/EU deal confirms that Cameron’s renegotiation will not address the problems which people see in the EU. The British public want to take back control and end the supremacy of EU law over our borders, economy and democracy. Nothing in yesterday’s announcement even comes close to the fundamental, full on Treaty change Cameron once promised the public. He has failed to deliver on his key manifesto pledge to limit migrants’ benefits. The ‘emergency brake’ on in-work benefits for EU migrants will be triggered by the EU, not the UK. Significantly, it is not a complete exclusion for four years as Cameron said he would ‘insist on’ in the Conservative Manifesto, but a ‘graduated’ mechanism allowing EU migrants greater access to benefits over time. The new ‘red card’ plan is impractical and unworkable – it introduces a new 55% threshold before a law can be blocked which is much higher than the current threshold of a third of national parliaments and will make the device wholly impractical.

The UK gives the EU £20 billion per annum and, although we are one of the largest contributors to the EU budget, wealthy nations such as Germany and France receive more in structural funds which are used for regional development projects. For example, the EU has spent £264 million on just four bridges in Greece, Romania, Bulgaria and Poland.

Today’s draft decision states right at the beginning that it is ‘in conformity with the Treaties’. This reaffirms the supremacy of the EU Treaties over UK law.
 I think this will lead to a split in the Tory party. Cameron is a disgusting, duplicitous, traitorous bastard who has sold this country down the river to the EU. As for Boris and May...they have been hanging around to see which way the wind blows and now have sold their souls to the Devil.   If Cameron had played it utterly straight and been a proper statesman, then he couldn't be blamed either way but he is Mr Shifty. Whichever way this goes our politics are changing. Forever.  Even if Out vote lose this will be back again very quickly as if we stay it means joining the Euro by 2020.

The only way to get a new UK/EU relationship based on free trade and friendly cooperation is to Vote Leave


Title: Re: EU Referendum in the UK 2016
Post by: Val on February 03, 2016, 05:34:12 pm
^
Great post and the truth of the matter is that the majority of the UK citizens want to leave.  They have however no faith in the voting system and fear that it will be rigged to remain in.   It is a well known fact here in the UK that General Election and Scottish Referendum were rigged.


Title: Re: EU Referendum in the UK 2016
Post by: cate1949 on February 04, 2016, 07:59:58 am
right - not much of a deal but people can be easily fooled.


Title: Re: EU Referendum in the UK 2016
Post by: marion on February 04, 2016, 06:06:22 pm
Looks like David Davis has joined the Out campaign which is good news... he should have been leader of the Conservative Party instead of Cameron but the fools chose Blair Lite to appeal to the electorate. DC many have won 2 elections but he's starting to look vulnerable and the press are full of scathing headlines and comments. He's gagged the ministers who want out of the EU and told Tory MP's to ignore grass roots opinion and in doing so has shown the contempt he has for the electorate.

 The Head of the Civil Service, Jeremy Hayward, has been told not to make contingency plans for Brexit...that should tell us all something

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3431777/David-Davis-launches-bid-lead-EU-campaign-attacks-David-Cameron-s-EU-deal-unambitious-waste-time.html



Title: Re: EU Referendum in the UK 2016
Post by: Val on February 04, 2016, 11:29:47 pm
I read in a couple of places today that 92% of the U.K. public want to leave Europe.  Yes, David Davis would have made an excellent leader.  I have attended several of his talks in the past and he is very impressive and a thoroughly decent man.


Title: Re: EU Referendum in the UK 2016
Post by: marion on February 05, 2016, 01:18:07 pm
He's really in the sh*t now as party activists will probably refuse to help the candidates n the May elections.  We can but hope that when the party realise what a liability he is becoming they will throw him out.  They've done it before to protect the party interests (Margaret Thatcher) and won't ave any scruples about doing it again - a very ruthless bunch


http://www.google.co.uk/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=2&cad=rja&uact=8&ved=0ahUKEwiM4LWJ2uDKAhVDVxoKHVL7APAQFgghMAE&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.dailymail.co.uk%2Fnews%2Farticle-3432808%2FGrassroots-Tories-turn-Cameron-Activists-vent-fury-PM-tells-MPs-ignore-views-constituents.html&usg=AFQjCNEthsWZ6ZSxxp22ruVRY8qqh09Giw


Title: Re: EU Referendum in the UK 2016
Post by: Val on February 05, 2016, 04:10:34 pm
Just seen him on Sky with the Danish PM, he seemed  very pleased with himself and is a past master at skirting round questions, never really answering them.
 


Title: Re: EU Referendum in the UK 2016
Post by: marion on February 05, 2016, 05:35:10 pm
Yes well, 'Pride comes before a fall' springs to mind :wopedo:


Title: Re: EU Referendum in the UK 2016
Post by: Val on February 05, 2016, 05:56:31 pm
The word out everywhere is that most of the UK want Out in the Referendum but there are fears it will be rigged to favour Cameron's 'in' desire.


Title: Re: EU Referendum in the UK 2016
Post by: Miss Hathaway on February 05, 2016, 08:14:34 pm
When will Britain vote on this?  May?


Title: Re: EU Referendum in the UK 2016
Post by: Val on February 05, 2016, 09:34:23 pm
^
The government has ruled out holding the election on 5 May 2016, the same day as elections to devolved parliaments in Scotland, Wales and Northern Ireland and for London's mayor. But only this specific date has been ruled out, meaning an early poll is still possible, with June seen as the earliest feasible option if there's a February deal, given that Mr Cameron has to give 16 weeks notice. No 10 is reported to favour a date on 23 June. July and August are not seen as good months to hold a nationwide poll, as many voters will be on their summer holidays.



Title: Re: EU Referendum in the UK 2016
Post by: cate1949 on February 07, 2016, 12:33:01 am
These plutocrats just do not get that they cannot hold the tide against popular desire.  They think they can spin and manipulate but people are just not that stupid.  This so called deal is nothing - accomplishes nothing that the people care about.

M worry is that when people see that the mainstream parties are lying to them and are not doing what they claim - that people will turn to more extreme leaders.  Scary.

As for the EU - I suspect the UK should get out before the whole thing implodes.


Title: Re: EU Referendum in the UK 2016
Post by: Kuei Fei on February 07, 2016, 01:15:10 am
I think the people are likely to storm the homes of politicians at this point in time; no more sitting around waiting for leadership.


Title: Re: EU Referendum in the UK 2016
Post by: Val on February 07, 2016, 07:26:10 am
An excellent article by Peter Hitchens and so true.  The politicians will manipulate to stay in.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/debate/article-3435536/PETER-HITCHENS-ahead-vote-ll-NEVER-leave-EU.html


Title: Re: EU Referendum in the UK 2016
Post by: marion on February 08, 2016, 05:07:04 pm
I think DC has been told that one of the pressing issues regarding our membership of the EU is immigration, hence his latest in an attempt to scare us into voting to stay in the EU -  IMO this is just scare tactics
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3436649/Quitting-Europe-lead-Jungle-camps-Kent-claims-Cameron.html


Title: Re: EU Referendum in the UK 2016
Post by: Val on February 08, 2016, 07:31:39 pm
^

What a ridiculous claim, typical from oink oink Cameroon.


Title: Re: EU Referendum in the UK 2016
Post by: marion on February 09, 2016, 02:11:20 pm
The French were quick to repudiate that.. not that their politicians are any more trustworthy than ours probably but is still makes cmd look a fool - mind you, that's not difficult

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3438465/France-insists-WON-T-scrap-border-deal-Britain.html


Title: Re: EU Referendum in the UK 2016
Post by: Val on February 09, 2016, 02:49:43 pm
Most of us here in the UK can't understand why Cameroon wants us to remain in Europe, most of them don't like us and they have never supported us over anything, remember the mad cow disease situation and other similar scenarios.


Title: Re: EU Referendum in the UK 2016
Post by: Val on February 09, 2016, 08:19:23 pm
From another forum - no wonder the UK public think the referendum will be rigged to remain in Europe.

'This is sensational stuff from Michael Crick at C4. Watch the video Tories up to their eyeballs in election fraud at the three bye elections in 2014 to try and see off UKIP.

http://order-order.com/2016/02/08/tory-overspend-in-ukip-by-elections/

Further another story by Guido Fawkes on Order Order reveals extra details thatC4 didn't include but at theNewark bye election the Tories also booked hotels and went clubbing in Nottongham to make it look like it was unconnected to Newark.'

http://order-order.com/2016/02/09/how-tories-hid-hotel-and-booze-bills-in-newark/


Title: Re: EU Referendum in the UK 2016
Post by: gingerboy24 on February 09, 2016, 10:34:08 pm
^ Why are we not surprised.  From what is coming ut now the whole government appears to be built on lies, with HM on their side of course, it was said she was delighted to have hameron remain in No. 10  -  he does her bidding in many areas.  Talk about keep it in the family.  A rotten barrel of apples the lot of them.


Title: Re: EU Referendum in the UK 2016
Post by: Val on February 09, 2016, 11:00:38 pm
It's all coming out now - no hope for a fair and honest EU Referendum.  Hopefully it will at least make people more vigilant.

Incidentally this is an account of those missing ballot papers, says they were intended for Sussex. Highly dubious particularly as we never heard another thing about them.

http://www.eastbourneherald.co.uk/news/local/breaking-news-blank-eastbourne-election-ballot-papers-stolen-in-van-theft-1-6716437

After all who would want to steal ballot papers? I think they were printed for Thanet and all this is bluff and bluster.



Title: Re: EU Referendum in the UK 2016
Post by: marion on February 09, 2016, 11:13:22 pm
Agree all very suspicious and as you say Val, they're all in it together.  So much for democracy and the press is gagged on all sorts of issues.  It is great that, through the internet, so much is exposed, but if we can do anything about it i sometimes wish we were still,living in ignorant bliss, but then I think, to hell with the bastards, one day they will get their comeuppance and I feel on course to fight another day.  However long it takes and however  hard the struggle we must ensure right prevails in the end


Title: Re: EU Referendum in the UK 2016
Post by: marion on February 15, 2016, 08:36:02 pm
The migrants can't be sent BACK to Kent because they were never there in the first place. We in the UK, need  a strong border force to deal with these illegals. 


Title: Re: EU Referendum in the UK 2016
Post by: marion on February 16, 2016, 09:07:00 pm
Willy wades into the EU referendum.  It really is time the RF kept out of politics.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3449484/Prince-William-gives-strong-signal-wants-Britain-STAY-EU.html


Title: Re: EU Referendum in the UK 2016
Post by: Val on February 16, 2016, 10:25:31 pm
Willy really isn't very bright and now TPTB are saying his speech was 'misinterpreted'.


Title: Re: EU Referendum in the UK 2016
Post by: gingerboy24 on February 17, 2016, 06:20:17 pm
^Oh yes, "misinterpreted" - I don´t think so, there was a hidden message in there and sadly for bill medd people were sharp enough to catch on.  He is bone idle and useless, who is he to be sticking his ugly beak into politics, the rf are not meant to do that, or so they keep telling us, even though they continue to stick their beaks into everything that they are not meant to.  Caught out, again, no change is there.


Title: Re: EU Referendum in the UK 2016
Post by: YooperModerator on February 19, 2016, 11:28:08 pm
http://www.cnn.com/2016/02/19/europe/britain-eu-talks/index.html (http://www.cnn.com/2016/02/19/europe/britain-eu-talks/index.html)

Quote
Cameron: We have a deal with the EU

Quote
(CNN)[Breaking news update, posted at 5:22 p.m. ET]

European Union leaders have reached a deal that will keep Britain in the organization, UK Prime Minister David Cameron announced at a press conference, saying he'll present the deal to Parliament on Saturday morning.

[Previous story, posted at 5:09 p.m. ET]

European Union leaders have reached a deal that will keep Britain in the EU, tweeted UK Prime Minister David Cameron and Donald Tusk, president of the European Council.

Cameron tweeted late Friday that the UK has gotten special status within the EU. "I have negotiated a deal to give the UK special status in the EU. I will be recommending it to Cabinet tomorrow. Press conference shortly," he said.

Tusk tweeted: "Deal. Unanimous support for new settlement for #UkinEE."

So, does it go to Parliament now?  I'm confused.  Thank you.



Title: Re: EU Referendum in the UK 2016
Post by: Rosella on February 20, 2016, 01:05:08 am
^ You bet! The deal will be debated in Parliament and outside following the Cabinet meeting. Then, even with this deal signed and sealed, it will be up to the British people to decide in a referendum whether they want to stay or to leave the EU.


Title: Re: EU Referendum in the UK 2016
Post by: YooperModerator on February 20, 2016, 04:45:43 am
^Thank you!  'Should be interesting to see the next developments. 


Title: Re: EU Referendum in the UK 2016
Post by: Val on February 20, 2016, 06:18:38 am
^

The trouble is that we in the UK don't trust Referendums and Elections any more as they appear to get rigged as did the Scottish one and the General Election.   It is well known that most British want out but there are many campaigns, selected interviews etc etc to make it appear that we want in.   As you say Yooper, it will be interesting - very.


Title: Re: EU Referendum in the UK 2016
Post by: marion on February 20, 2016, 06:51:30 pm
You're so right Val, it will be rigged I'm sure


Title: Re: EU Referendum in the UK 2016
Post by: marion on February 21, 2016, 07:12:30 pm
Not only has Cameron forbidden the #civil Service to draw up contingency plans if the "Outs" win but those campaigning to leave the EU will not  will not be able to draw on the support of departmental civil servants to do so, relying instead on their own politically-appointed special advisers, unlike those voting to stay in


https://www.google.co.uk/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=2&cad=rja&uact=8&ved=0ahUKEwi15ZX5xonLAhWJuBQKHck6D7kQFggsMAE&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.civilserviceworld.com%2Farticles%2Fnews%2Fgus-odonnell-civil-servants-will-be-mentally-working-brexit-plan&usg=AFQjCNE_65G-ghsyrnGHh1ydo1_r4oUPKQ


Title: Re: EU Referendum in the UK 2016
Post by: Val on February 21, 2016, 09:38:48 pm
^

One sided as ever, what's new?


Title: Re: EU Referendum in the UK 2016
Post by: Whiffy Leaks on February 22, 2016, 11:48:12 am
^
Great post and the truth of the matter is that the majority of the UK citizens want to leave.  They have however no faith in the voting system and fear that it will be rigged to remain in.   It is a well known fact here in the UK that General Election and Scottish Referendum were rigged.

Sorry but that just isn't true. I've never heard that apart from in here. The only vote rigging I've heard if was the postal votes for Asian labour candidates in (I think) Rochdale or Burnley.


Title: Re: EU Referendum in the UK 2016
Post by: Whiffy Leaks on February 22, 2016, 11:50:04 am
^ I do agree though that certainly the majority of people here in the north want to leave. Can't speak for the south.


Title: Re: EU Referendum in the UK 2016
Post by: marion on February 22, 2016, 01:09:25 pm
Most in the south seem to want to leave  but fear the vote will be rigged.  In the last General #election 4 ballot boxes from Thanet constituency went missing for several hours and when they were found the seals had been tampered with. 


Title: Re: EU Referendum in the UK 2016
Post by: Alexandrine on February 22, 2016, 01:47:18 pm
The EU is the future with or without UK. Fifty years of peace and economic integration cannot be undone. The EU is not going to explode, it didnt during the economic crisis not even Greece decided to leave. There is too much to lose even to consider it.

IMO Uk will do a Scotland. People fear change and economically it will be quiet damaging to the country. Just now the pound is having the biggest fall since 2010.

Two cents from maybe the only proeuropean here  :tehe:



Title: Re: EU Referendum in the UK 2016
Post by: Joanna on February 22, 2016, 03:57:02 pm
^ You're not the only proeuropean, I'm one too. My only concern is that we need a different EU, a more democratic one but I'm not sure on how that could be done. The inequality between member-states and the loss of soverignity is in my opinion apalling, it goes against the principles of the foundation of the EU. IMO the policies adopted so far have increased the differences between member-states, especiallu between the nations of the north and the south of Europe. EU as we know it is cracking because it seems that when it was decided that we should go from the EEC to the treaty of Lisbon, the only goal in mind was to establish the Euro and the Eurozone, they didn't care about implementing policies that would have made sure that the conditions for a stable and profitable economy existed. Now everybody is burying their heads in the sand.
 I believe that if the Brexit goes through the EU will have lots of trouble to deal with. I'm sure that UK could survive without the EU but for the EU it would be very difficult to mantain stability in that scenario.


Title: Re: EU Referendum in the UK 2016
Post by: YooperModerator on February 22, 2016, 05:14:52 pm
What I know about Brexit and the EU vs the pound you could put on the head of a pin but I have on interesting insight.  Our new rector in La Jolla, California is from London.  Keep in mind that La Jolla or S. California, next to Hawaii and New York City is probably one of the most expensive places to live in the USA.  I asked him what really drew him from his church in London and he said, "It's nice to be able to afford to live reasonably.  We could actually buy a home here."

And, trust me, our church doesn't pay that much of a salary nor provide that much for our rectors.  Nice house but inland and a two bedroom affair.  Nothing ostentatious.  We can't.


Title: Re: EU Referendum in the UK 2016
Post by: YooperModerator on March 03, 2016, 01:08:42 pm
^Quadruple posting?  Really?  I'll merge them later but can't let this go without an admonition.  I understand the info has to be shared but this is highly discouraged.  YM


Title: Re: EU Referendum in the UK 2016
Post by: marion on March 03, 2016, 04:05:03 pm
I wouldn't believe a word Cameron says.....a lot of polls  suggest most Brits want out of  the EU, hence all this scaremongering


Title: Re: EU Referendum in the UK 2016
Post by: Joanna on March 04, 2016, 09:46:55 pm
^ I didn't know about that. How so? I mean the portuguese press said that "there was tension" but they're not to be trusted, the lying idiots. :bat: I should have payed more attention to the spanish press yesterday, at least I could contrast the information given on both sides.


Title: Re: EU Referendum in the UK 2016
Post by: Joanna on March 05, 2016, 11:47:33 am
^ I'm horrified with this, thank you Liquorice for explaining this to me. That someone would be so low as to lie to the press and cause an international incident that could very well lead to disaster is appalling to me, it's a very Middledoom thing indeed. If I were Cameron, I'd be livid!  :bat:  bignono  I understand your anger. How can they deal with this now? It can become such a huge mess  :nervous:

Yes, I've read Harry Potter, I even belonged to forums dedicated to writing fanfiction and all :shy: It's not so much that it's a rag, though we have a lot of sensationalist rags we also have serious press, the problem is that those who own these are the same people financing the political parties. So much for the freedom of press  :dontknow:


Title: Re: EU Referendum in the UK 2016
Post by: Joanna on March 05, 2016, 01:28:02 pm
I've been reading The Telegraph and can't say that I disagree with Wittingdale when reading this data. The thing is, how many of these people are actual refugees and how many classify as economic migrants? How many of them fill the requirements to claim asylum?

Quote
Mr Whittingdale's warning that Britain has "lost control" on migration comes as figures from Eurostat, the European Commission's statistics agency, showed that the number of asylum seekers coming to Britain increased by almost 20 per cent in a year.
The UK received 38,370 people - more than 15 other EU nations combined - in 2015. In the same period the total number of asylum seekers coming to Europe - mainly from Syria, Iraq and Afghanistan - doubled.
Home Office minister Richard Harrington said Britain is powerless to deport thousands of illegal migrants because they have nowhere to go.
An an Ipsos MORI poll showed that immigration is the public's top concern with regards to European Union membership.

These problems are successfully destroying the EU and no-one is doing anything effective to solve them. I mean, isn't there anything the higher powers can do to avoid the UK leaving the EU? :angry: Sorry, all of this makes my blood boil.


Title: Re: EU Referendum in the UK 2016
Post by: gingerboy24 on March 06, 2016, 05:38:06 pm
Not sure if right thread or not, mods please feel free to move.

We decide on something, leave it lying around and wait and see what happens. If no one kicks up a fuss, because most people don't understand what has been decided, we continue step by step until there is no turning back," he said of the euro's introduction.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/europe/eu/10874230/Jean-Claude-Juncker-profile-When-it-becomes-serious-you-have-to-lie.html


Title: Re: EU Referendum in the UK 2016
Post by: marion on March 06, 2016, 06:44:07 pm
Yet another reason so many want out


Title: Re: EU Referendum in the UK 2016
Post by: Alexandrine on March 06, 2016, 09:25:51 pm
I only read the guardian because I like their lifestyle section and the specials when something happens are quite good and all of the columns have been mainly proEU. I didn't expect that  ???


Title: Re: EU Referendum in the UK 2016
Post by: marion on March 07, 2016, 03:50:29 pm
Excuse my French but hasn’t this w**ker heard of the Channel Tunnel which last time I went through it was totally unguarded.

It's so depressing and so worrying that the UK does not have a PM who will fight for our best interests.  I suppose he's going to get his next list of instructions from Die Fuhrerin on the Referendum.  The Tories need a Night of The Long Knives on Cameron - and fast before he completely destroys our nation.


http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3480134/EU-leaders-arrive-Brussels-summit-plead-Turkey-hundreds-thousands-migrants.html




Title: Re: EU Referendum in the UK 2016
Post by: marion on March 07, 2016, 07:47:08 pm
Cameron needs to be reminded that some very brave men and women died to save our country from German domination.  76years on and Frau Merkel is trying to donut again but unfortunately we don't have a Churchill to stand up for us... just a lily livered bully who is  doing his best to scupper any chances the Brexit campaign has of success by every underhand means he can dream up


Title: Re: EU Referendum in the UK 2016
Post by: Val on March 08, 2016, 08:13:31 am
^^

I agree and am afraid that most of us here in the UK no longer have time for Cameron and his lies and bullying.  We are truly shocked at the way he is desperately trying to brainwash/force and bully the public in to voting to remain.  As previously mentioned I was a life long Tory, On many of their committees etc and constantly fundraising by having events and fetes etc etc at my house.  I am afraid it's all lies lies lies at the moment.


Title: Re: EU Referendum in the UK 2016
Post by: marion on March 08, 2016, 09:43:43 am
Downing Street said no pressure was brought to bear  over John Longworth's position - well, perish the thought - more lies - the truth will always out in the end but these people are either too thick or arrogant to see that
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/newstopics/eureferendum/12186850/Exclusive-David-Cameron-aide-complained-about-John-Longworth-to-British-Chambers-of-Commerce-hours-before-he-was-suspended.html


Title: Re: EU Referendum in the UK 2016
Post by: gingerboy24 on March 08, 2016, 10:58:19 am
The problem with "pig-gate" hamoron is that he is weaker than last year´s dishwater, he has zero back bone, totally spineless creature  -  he is so disliked these days. There was a petition to call for a no confidence vote on him, more than enough signatures for it, many signed the petition, but the MP´s as gutless as him would not do it.  How on earth such a weak, gutless critter was ever voted in is beyond me.  Sadly for him, many have seen the facade slip, big time, hence such dislike, in fact contempt, for him these days.


Title: Re: EU Referendum in the UK 2016
Post by: marion on April 21, 2016, 01:08:13 pm
Several people I now signed the petition  regarding the EU Referendum
https://petition.parliament.uk/petitions/123986

"The official response to this begins with this  quote ""The EU referendum will follow the usual procedure for counting votes at elections and referendums..."

Does this mean ballot boxes will go missing and show signs of having been tampered with when they turn up  4 hours later?


Title: Re: EU Referendum in the UK 2016
Post by: Miss Hathaway on April 21, 2016, 02:40:22 pm
I am putting this link here because O will soon be in Britain to stick his nose into its business with regard to Brexit.  So, for what it's worth:

http://www.breitbart.com/london/2016/04/16/12-reasons-obama-no-friend-britain/



Title: Re: EU Referendum in the UK 2016
Post by: marion on April 25, 2016, 02:17:10 pm
Ah, so obuma wants our help does he?  Pity he didn't think of that before he came over and starting bullying and threatening the UK.

As it is the UK  provides more in terms of troops to support USA missions against terror in the ME and elsewhere than any other EU country. IMO ant trade embargos against the UK are not going to have a very positive impact on any military help requested in the future

http://www.globalresearch.ca/obama-requests-eu-support-for-possible-war-against-russia/5521560

And as for our National Security

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2016/04/23/president-obama-is-wrong-about-the-eu-and-what-brexit-will-mean/

It seems the EU is about to implode so the sooner we get out the better
http://www.nybooks.com/articles/2016/02/11/europe-verge-collapse-interview/



Title: Re: EU Referendum in the UK 2016
Post by: marion on April 25, 2016, 06:15:11 pm
Anyone who intends to vote in the EU Referendum would be well-advised to read this first
https://www.facebook.com/betsy.m.mackay/posts/10206656209345358?hc_location=ufi


Title: Re: EU Referendum in the UK 2016
Post by: marion on April 25, 2016, 07:34:23 pm
Another reason to vote Leave

http://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/663946/EU-plans-United-States-Europe

when the Common Market first came into being there many people sho had he foresight to predict that this group would never remain purely trading partners but that the ultimate aim was a Federal Europe.  Germany has tried, unsuccessfully, to dominate and control Europe in 2 World Wars but it seems they never give up on their scheming.

......and yet another reason to leave
http://www.express.co.uk/news/politics/664027/Britons-40-week-better-off-Brexit-leave-EU-Cameron-UK


Title: Re: EU Referendum in the UK 2016
Post by: gingerboy24 on April 25, 2016, 10:13:39 pm
@ Marion  -  goodness, so much being discussed and printed in the public domain.  I am so pleased a lot of this is coming out and not being hidden any more.  I still don´t trust them not to rig the vote to remain in the EU, they did with with Scotland, why not with this.

As for Obama sticking his beak in, he has no right, although it does seem as though he is working to his own agenda with TTIP (?). 

Thanks for all the links Marion, very interesting reading.


Title: Re: EU Referendum in the UK 2016
Post by: Rebecca on April 26, 2016, 02:07:55 am
I read this comment earlier on an article that sums up my thoughts perfectly. 


"Boris Johnson, the mayor of London, flirted with the theory that the “part-Kenyan president’s ancestry” might explain his views."
ABSOLUTELY TRUE.  Boris is spot on with the above comment. 
Obama LOATHES European and American colonial history.  Therefore he loathes USA and Europe.  If you were an 1960s Kenyan socialist (such as his father), Soviet inspired, with a twist of Muslim faith you might feel the same as Obama. 
In 2008 the democratic party could have run anybody and I mean ANYBODY against the Republican nominee and won. 
 History will say President Obama is the worst president of all time.  America plagued with Obama due to the IDIOCY of George Bush and Tony Blair.


I don't think Obama's desire for the UK to stay in the EU is only because of TPP. It is because he does not have the best interests of the UK at heart. I honestly think he loves over the top big government and regulation (EU) and hates freedom and people of European ancestry. Even those of us now living in the US. I know many will disagree with this, but I think his presidency shows that he prefers those of Middle Eastern or African descent to white people.... I'm not saying that he should prefer white people or any race, just that this was supposed to be a new era of post racial politics. It failed big time..... :thumbsdown:


Title: Re: EU Referendum in the UK 2016
Post by: Val on April 26, 2016, 07:04:12 am
^^

The general consensus here in the UK is that the Referendum will definitely be rigged to remain in despite most of the UK wanting out.  Those wavering were sickened by the ghastly lovefest and bullying of Obama and Cameron which instantly changed the opinions of many 'ins' to 'outs'.
As GB said the Scottish Referendum was known to be rigged as was our General Election to keep the very popular Nigel Farage and UKIP out.


Title: Re: EU Referendum in the UK 2016
Post by: gingerboy24 on April 26, 2016, 08:56:04 am
And now we have Frexit

AFTER BREXIT, FREXIT? POLL SHOWS FRENCH WANT A REFERENDUM TOO

http://europe.newsweek.com/brexit-frexit-france-germany-sweden-spain-eu-referendum-436510


Title: Re: EU Referendum in the UK 2016
Post by: Whiffy Leaks on April 26, 2016, 09:45:22 am
^^ sorry to disagree Val, but that is not 'the general consensus' at all. You may feel that way, others may, but it's not even mentioned in other places/circles.


Title: Re: EU Referendum in the UK 2016
Post by: Whiffy Leaks on April 26, 2016, 09:47:13 am
I do agree Obama has swayed a lot of wave tees the other way, but the general election was not 'rigged' either.


Title: Re: EU Referendum in the UK 2016
Post by: gingerboy24 on April 26, 2016, 12:08:17 pm
^I am sorry to disagree too, but I am with Val on this one, the last election was , IMO and from what I have read/heard, was rigged, as was the Scottish Referendum, some people in Scotland did not even get their voting papers until 3 weeks after the vote.  Most of these things are "manipulated" for want of a better word.  Short of being there and doing the counting ourselves we can only have opinions, which are divided into two camps, and I go with the "manipulation" of these elections.  This is also discussed in other areas/circles, many blogs, sites and social media sites are all saying the same thing and are aware of what is going on, plenty of info out there if you google it.  A lot of the public are waking up, they now no longer believe in everything the media tells them, they have discovered minds of their own, and have their own thoughts/opinions - and thank goodness for that. 


Title: Re: EU Referendum in the UK 2016
Post by: Whiffy Leaks on April 26, 2016, 12:46:50 pm
Thank goodness we have. But I still stand by my statement that that is not the general consensus.


Title: Re: EU Referendum in the UK 2016
Post by: gingerboy24 on April 26, 2016, 05:02:18 pm
Found this for anyone who wishes to sign it.  Many are aware of postal votes allegedly going missing, this is to try and ensure that this does not happen as has been done in the past.

Rigging of the vote is the biggest worry.  If you are able to go on line, there is a petition being circulated requiring 100,000 e-signatures to debate in the House the petition which is to stop Postal Votes during the referendum thus ensuring that it is only one man/one vote.  Postal votes are the easiest way to avoid scrutiny.  We have seen it in the more recent General Elections and we need to stop it for all but the most vulnerable.

https://petition.parliament.uk/petitions/116695


Title: Re: EU Referendum in the UK 2016
Post by: gingerboy24 on April 26, 2016, 05:42:05 pm
A few interesting articles


Patrick Stewart absolutely destroys the government in this hilarious sketch (VIDEO) | The Canary

http://www.thecanary.co/2016/04/26/patrick-stewart-skewers-the-uk-government-in-a-sketch-which-has-gone-viral-video/
 
 
High Treason: Laws Against Establishing a Foreign Power in England
 
http://www.heretical.com/mkilliam/treason.html


EU Army 'WILL happen and it will weaken British defences', warns retired colonel
 
http://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/664517/EU-Army-will-happen-weaken-British-defences-retired-colonel
 


Title: Re: EU Referendum in the UK 2016
Post by: marion on April 26, 2016, 06:12:35 pm
It is public knowledge that there was foul play/rigging I the General election -  ballot boxes went missing in the Thanet constituency and when they were recovered 4 hours later the seals had been tampered with


Title: Re: EU Referendum in the UK 2016
Post by: gingerboy24 on April 26, 2016, 06:54:21 pm
Yes, I remember that.  And then there was, as I said above, a lot of people in Scotland who did not receive voting papers until 3 weeks after the poll for the Out vote  -  what a strange coincidence - not.  Also, as I recall, when it looked as though things were looking good for the Out vote camoron was sent by HM hotfotting it up to Scotland like a rat up a drainpipe.  Sadly for the goverernment the public now know far too much of what goes on, and about time too.


Title: Re: EU Referendum in the UK 2016
Post by: Val on April 26, 2016, 08:01:08 pm
Unbelievable that petitions are flying round to try and prevent riggings - says it all about our corrupt government.


Title: Re: EU Referendum in the UK 2016
Post by: gingerboy24 on April 27, 2016, 09:13:39 am
Just found this comment of Facebook, so now we know why there are "orphan" kids the "refugees" (aka illegal immigrants) want to push push through.  Suddenly, the parents will find these kids and that is their route into the UK. Sneaky and deceitful.

After watching BBC Parliament Chnl this morning I will be going to work in a filthy mood. The subject was all about these migrant kids in the Calais Jungle.

Anyway from what I can gather there is something called a 'DUBLIN REGULATION' & so basically what I can gather is that if you are a resident in 'The Jungle' it is worth handing your kid over to the authorities because this Dublin Assignment enables the Parents to be REUNITED with their kids at a later date so it's another route to get to UK but it's a Legal Route drawn up by Do Gooders!

Please be careful when showing your Disgust. The Left get enjoyment over reporting posts like this & facebook frown upon the most trivial of comments & class it as *despise* Speech out of which will earn you a 30 day ban if you persist.
You are not allowed to *despise* these people or celebrate over drowning migrants these days & The Left will consider that they have done their Good Deed of the Day by reporting such comments & once again they will have silenced Free Speech.


http://ec.europa.eu/dgs/home-affairs/what-we-do/policies/asylum/examination-of-applicants/index_en.htm

This was one response to the above comment, which I personally agree with.

Another legal loophole set up by the EU. Another reason to vote leave on June 23rd. Btw I don't *despise* the people who are trying to get here and I don't want anyone to drown. But I don't want them here as our services and infrastructure are already in meltdown. The last thing the UK needs is more unskilled people coming here who have never contributed to those services and infrastructure. I *despise* the system that allows it!


Title: Re: EU Referendum in the UK 2016
Post by: gingerboy24 on April 27, 2016, 01:47:38 pm
And now we have Denmark on the band wagon, good for them

Danish People’s Party Wants An EU Referendum For Denmark

http://www.breitbart.com/london/2016/04/26/danish-peoples-party-wants-eu-referendum-denmark/


Title: Re: EU Referendum in the UK 2016
Post by: marion on April 29, 2016, 05:05:54 pm
And now 100 top names in the City of London backing Brexit
http://www.standard.co.uk/news/politics/100-leading-city-names-sign-letter-backing-brexit-a3236841.html


Title: Re: EU Referendum in the UK 2016
Post by: Val on April 29, 2016, 05:39:45 pm
^

Some big players too.  Hope they are watching out for the rigging.


Title: Re: EU Referendum in the UK 2016
Post by: marion on April 29, 2016, 09:48:58 pm
And there's more support for Brexit
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3564763/Workers-better-40-week-Brexit-say-economists-Group-brand-euro-unmitigated-disaster-say-membership-holds-growth.html


Title: Re: EU Referendum in the UK 2016
Post by: gingerboy24 on April 30, 2016, 08:35:48 am
And they wonder why we do not want these illegal immigrants, they are just laughing all the way to the bank at the UK taxpayer expense.

'Your benefits system is crazy. It's like finding a sackful of cash left on the road': How shocking admission by Rudi and his huge Romanian family debunks Eurocrat's claims that 'benefit tourism is a myth'

"This week, the EU Commissioner for Employment, Social Affairs and Inclusion, Laszlo Andor, attacked the so-called xenophobia of British politicians over the issue of migrants coming to Britain and claiming welfare. He grandiosly announced: ‘Benefits tourism as such is a myth.’

Yet Rudi readily admits that our generous benefits’ culture does encourage Romanians to uproot to the UK, where they can claim state money for the children they bring with them.
‘Your benefits system is crazy — I would actually say it was sick,’ he says, as he makes a gesture involving sticking his two fingers down his throat."

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2559776/This-week-Eurocrat-told-Britain-benefit-tourism-myth-read-Rudi-huge-Romanian-family-say-new-home-Your-benefits-crazy-Its-like-finding-sackful-cash-left-road.html#ixzz46CTAvA00

And the government wonder why we don´t want them here,  What about the UK homeless, Pensions not able to afford heating, etc etc.  And they pay out all this money to one family.


Title: Re: EU Referendum in the UK 2016
Post by: Val on April 30, 2016, 04:25:02 pm
^

The trouble is the MSM are banned from printing a lot of this especially now Cameron is determined by hook or by crook for us to stay in the EU.


Title: Re: EU Referendum in the UK 2016
Post by: marion on May 01, 2016, 06:52:21 pm
^Agree Val so it's up to posters to get this sort of info out everywhere - not so many people buy newspapes these days anyway and social media is wonderful at getting stuff "out there "

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3568119/Another-127-MILLION-people-countries-including-Turkey-Ukraine-come-Europe-visa-free-plans-pushed-Brussels.html



Title: Re: EU Referendum in the UK 2016
Post by: marion on May 10, 2016, 11:00:05 pm
he real reason behind Cameron's "gaffe" today at BP when he was overheard saying  Nigeria and Afghanistan were corrupt was an attempt to bury a news story about his so-called  negotiations with Germany
http://www.breitbart.com/london/2016/05/10/germany-sabotaged-camerons-eu-renegotiation/


Title: Re: EU Referendum in the UK 2016
Post by: gingerboy24 on May 19, 2016, 04:20:57 pm
EU flag burned as tens of thousands join Warsaw nationalist demo

Organisers said that up to 50,000 were on the march which marked the anniversary of Poland's independence after the First World War

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/europe/poland/11989250/EU-flag-burned-as-tens-of-thousands-join-Warsaw-nationalist-demo.html


Title: Re: EU Referendum in the UK 2016
Post by: gingerboy24 on May 23, 2016, 10:50:28 am

Look at this piece of great news!  Cameron must be spitting iron filings!

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3603793/Why-quit-EU-Cameron-s-guru-Friend-strategist-Steve-Hilton-breaks-ranks-Brexit-say-Britain-literally-ungovernable-unless-power-self-serving-elite.html#reader-comments

I hope Vote Leave now use Steve Hilton in the future events.


Title: Re: EU Referendum in the UK 2016
Post by: gingerboy24 on May 23, 2016, 11:46:40 am
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Title: Re: EU Referendum in the UK 2016
Post by: marion on May 23, 2016, 12:33:59 pm
For UK posters Steve Hilton is on Question Time on Thursday BBC 10.45pm


Title: Re: EU Referendum in the UK 2016
Post by: marion on May 31, 2016, 11:00:15 pm
This is what the Nazis did in WW2. What next? Radio detector vans to find those listening to non-approved radio stations?

http://www.express.co.uk/news/world/675535/EU-referendum-Brexit-Brussels-blasted-Orwellian-crackdown-online-criticism-UKIP


Title: Re: EU Referendum in the UK 2016
Post by: Val on May 31, 2016, 11:06:32 pm
^^

Thanks, won't miss that one,
^
Worrying article but the way things seem to be going.





Title: Re: EU Referendum in the UK 2016
Post by: Miss Hathaway on June 01, 2016, 04:18:35 pm
Not sure where to put this -- thought this thread was close enough:

http://www.breitbart.com/london/2016/06/01/dalai-lama-channels-donald-trump-too-many-refugees-in-europe/

This rather puts a kink into the celebrities who are pushing for open migration since they dote on the Dalai Lama.


Title: Re: EU Referendum in the UK 2016
Post by: Val on June 13, 2016, 07:16:04 pm
More from another poster


Blair, Major, Heseltine and now Brown have been called upon to support Remain.  A war-monger with a dodgy dossier who should be facing a war crimes trial in the Hague; a traitor who signed The Maastrict Treaty; an embittered Tory who stabbed Mrs T in the back for his own gain; and the man who sold our gold reserves - wow, how's that for a bunch of desperados!


Title: Re: EU Referendum in the UK 2016
Post by: marion on June 13, 2016, 07:49:50 pm
The polls are predicting a victory for Brexit but this is no time for complacency.  However I do hope these polls are correct and that we can be on our way to being GREAT Britain again.  However I would never trust Cameron and Co not to upgrade the Leave vote in order to lull us into a false sense of security.   As others have said, we must carry on until the ref blows the final whistle.

It's very interesting that Messina has done a runner from the Remain campaign; if it were going well, surely he'd stay to see the fruits of his labours?  With all due respect to our American friends here, hiring an American was a dreadful move; his campaign was based on economics and money, not on the things that make us proud to be British.

According to one poster on yesterday's DE comments board, the tide turned after The Three Hags turned their fire into personal insults against Boris.  He also made Wee Crankie look stupid when he agreed with one of political statements!  Sam Cam added to the stupidity by her article in the MoS.  How can anyone with her wealth say that she is staying in for the sake of her children?  The Camerons are in the very fortunate position of never having to worry about school places, appointments with their GP, social unrest, etc and she was rightly hammered for her inane remarks.  It's also good to see that Mann and Skinner are supporting Brexit because the EU has done sod all for "the working British man" - it's driven down wages by mass and cheaper employment from Eastern Europe and has caused dreadful hardship for our people.  I hope all Labour voters get behind Vote Leave to give a double whammy to the EU and to Cameron and Osborne.


Title: Re: EU Referendum in the UK 2016
Post by: marion on June 13, 2016, 10:24:51 pm
Yesterday Cameron, having failed to terrify us with pensions, defence and health , handed over the campaign to Gordon Brown. As hocus a total *fool* he will not be able to turn it .  Clearly Cameron is distancing himself so if it does crash and burn he can blame Labour. Or as DN Han tweeted this morning "If Gordon Brown is the answer, what the hell was the question?"

The Remain camp certainly have some really charming backers
https://www.theguardian.com/business/2016/jun/13/goldman-sachs-hired-prostitutes-to-win-libyan-business-court-told


Title: Re: EU Referendum in the UK 2016
Post by: marion on June 17, 2016, 08:17:22 pm
There are many who are making political capital out of the brutal murder of MP J Cox against the Leavers in the EU Referendum campaign. Reading her website,  she had only been an MP for 13 months. What is striking is it's full of Syria and refugees. Within six months of being elected she had formed the Friends of Syria joined forces with Andrew Mitchell and had gone with him to see Russian ambassador where Mitchell said she tore a strip off him. She seems to have done nothing for local businesses apart from open a new acoustics HQ. One of her constituents said that she although was her MP and she had written to her three times over something she had never received a reply. IMO she was a political activist masquerading as an MP. If the man who did do this is mentally ill there may be no court case. He will just be sectioned and committed. Let's see where this goes but if anyone tries to call off the referendum there'll be hell to pay.
 
 
I thought her husband's comment of "fight against the *despise* that killed her" was most strange.  In fact, his remarks were odd - there was very little about how much he loved Jo and what a wonderful wife and mother she was.  He was an adviser and pro speech writer to Gordon Brown and met Jo when they worked together at Oxfam, so they both had a very strong refugee/foreign aid agenda and of bringing Syrians to this country. As a speech writer he would know exactly what he was saying.  Neil Coyle has already made political capital out of this tragedy and The Guardian are practically blaming Farage for this murder, the man who is trying to save this country and speaks the truth about immigration is being branded evil and the woman whose actions have imposed a number of these monsters on the UK - and more to come, no doubt - has taken on a saint's mantle in death.  This really does suit the Remain campaign, doesn't it?  But if they play this card too much, then it will backfire on them.
 
If that poor man is mentally ill, then who knows what trigger made him kill Cox?  She may have ignored him; she may have worn the colour he hates; all sorts of little triggers could have merged and bang.  The Referendum must go ahead; I'm just waiting for one of the Remnants to say something like "We owe it to Jo to stay in the EU and to carry on her work against hatred and intolerance..."   LEAVE needs to keep calm and carry on. I hopIt was her husband who started the 'fight agains *despise*' spiel. If he man is mentally ill, he's mentally ill not *despise*.
 
Further the timing is highly suspicious. After the Geldof debacle on the Thames there was no way. Remain we're going to pull this back. Her sad death let Geldof off the hook, Gideon and Carney at the Mansion a House diverted any more threats, ditto Cameron.
 
They are now going hell for leather to Dianaise her. I hope people don't fall for it. It's a black op alright and you don't need to be a conspiracy theorist to see it. I hope their twisted efforts at Remain backfire.
 


Title: Re: EU Referendum in the UK 2016
Post by: Val on June 17, 2016, 08:24:19 pm
^

Excellent post and more and more of the same coming out.  It will be her birthday on 22nd, the day before the referendum and it is expected that political capital will be made of that too.


Title: Re: EU Referendum in the UK 2016
Post by: marion on June 17, 2016, 08:40:18 pm
I heard her funeral will be held on that day too


Title: Re: EU Referendum in the UK 2016
Post by: Val on June 18, 2016, 06:17:30 am
An excellent article and interesting comments

https://hat4uk.wordpress.com/2016/06/17/anatomy-of-a-murder-how-the-remain-media-hijacked-a-death-for-their-own-ends/


Title: Re: EU Referendum in the UK 2016
Post by: cate1949 on June 18, 2016, 09:42:28 am
Ladies I totally agree - they have seized control of the narrative and made it all about the haters - those awful Brexit people who *despise*.  Using this poor woman's death for their political agendas - even her husband does it.   Let's ignore that the guy clearly is mentally ill - even went to try and see a therapist the day before because he knew he was getting zonky.  The real issue here is - that they turned him away - no time to fit him in.  If they had seen him - this poor woman might be alive today.

I just despise the way they make it seem that any questions about unlimited immigration means you are a racist.  There are plenty of serious and legit reasons to be concerned about unlimited immigration.  The "*despise*" thing is just a way to try to silence and de-legitimize people's concerns.  A tactic that has already backfired on them - if a rational discussion about immigration had been held when the concerns were first expressed instead of silencing people with the "*despise*" label - then the issue might have been reasonably resolved.  Instead having suppressed it for so long you now have very angry folks with no trust in the politicians. 




Title: Re: EU Referendum in the UK 2016
Post by: marion on June 18, 2016, 11:42:46 am
We are fighting WW3  - not tanks and bullets but via politics. Michael Crick tweeted last night that they are trying to press terrorism charges on Mair. A show trial? Stalin would be proud.

I seriously think Remain has a nerve at attempting to make out Leave has been toxic. It wasn't Leave sticking two fingers up at the fishing fleet, nor terrorising the country with talk of war, financial collapse and bringing in world figures to bully us.

The first attempt to politicise her death was from her widower who, without knowing what were Mair's reasons/state of mind, immediately called for people to fight against *despise*. Mentally ill is mentally ill. *despise* doesn't come into it.


Title: Re: EU Referendum in the UK 2016
Post by: Val on June 18, 2016, 11:46:30 am
^

So true

Michael Crick tweeted last night that they are trying to press terrorism charges on Mair. A show trial? Stalin would be proud.

I seriously think Remain has a nerve at attempting to make out Leave has been toxic. It wasn't Leave sticking two fingers up at the fishing fleet, nor terrorising the country with talk of war, financial collapse and bringing in world figures to bully us.

See this poll. Says Leave still ahead and more importantly the Jo Cox outrage hasn't changed minds.
http://www.qriously.com/blog/jo-cox-murder-influence-outcome-eu-referendum/






Title: Re: EU Referendum in the UK 2016
Post by: Val on June 18, 2016, 11:50:02 am
All the Remains scaremongering and evil tactics seem to be backfiring.

That vile MP, Neil Coyle, needs to be pushed into resigning after his comments which put the blame for her death at Farage's door.  The Guardian's Chief Hag, Polly Toynbee and the paper itself published disgusting, inflammatory articles about Vote Leave but in the guise of taking the moral high ground.  Horrid woman and an equally horrid paper!  They both seem to have forgotten that Labour MPs like Field, Hoey, Mann and Skinner are supporting Brexit - I'd like to see a Remain supporter call The Beast of Bolsover "a fascist"...



Title: Re: EU Referendum in the UK 2016
Post by: Val on June 18, 2016, 11:54:19 am
- and more

http://www.independent.co.uk/voices/jo-cox-mp-death-not-caused-by-mood-of-british-politics-a7087936.html


Title: Re: EU Referendum in the UK 2016
Post by: Val on June 18, 2016, 06:23:31 pm
Part of a comment from another forum

'I'm getting increasingly angry about the way in which her death has been hijacked for Labour's refugee agenda.  If they and the Tories had stood their ground and said NO to the EU, then the *violent physical attack* in Newcastle would not have happened and the communities in which these so-called refugees have been dumped would not be so furious and feeling so neglected by their MPs.  I think her husband is a complete sham to allow this vigil to take place and, IMO, it merely confirms his adherence to the EU/NWO at the expense of his wife's death.  This mass, emotional blackmail is sinister and I hope that not too many people will be brainwashed into voting for Remain.

And Stephen Pillock-Kinnock has written in today's Times: "Remember Jo at the ballot box..."  I have thrown away the paper without reading it.

Mair was taken to Westminster City Magistrates' Court rather than the one in Leeds. Why?  And the magistrate was the one who let Janner go within 90 seconds of appearing before her!'


Title: Re: EU Referendum in the UK 2016
Post by: cate1949 on June 18, 2016, 09:54:47 pm
Polly Toynbee's column was the height of upper class blindness - keep expressing your contempt for the working class and people who disagree with your agenda - does she really think that will work out well in the end?



Title: Re: EU Referendum in the UK 2016
Post by: Val on June 21, 2016, 11:35:56 am
Lord Ashcroft tweeted this last week. I think he's telling us something.   At a very high level meeting in Darfur in 2006 Jo Cox was there with Cameron, Andrew Mitchell when he was Overseas Development and Ashcroft in the background.

Far from the Yorkshire lass who did well at Oxford and became her home town MP this woman had been part of the elite for 20 years. After all the charities and NGOs are all establishment now. They get millions from our Govt and the EU.

The electorate a Batley and Spen had been sold a pup. She wasn't a socialist but a neo liberal knee deep in both the EU and Kinnocks and the Clintons/Obama in the US. She and hubby worked on Obama's election campaign in Washington DC in 2008.  No wonder he sent his condolences.  She was in with Peter Gabriel too.

https://mobile.twitter.com/LordAshcroft/status/744936711591989249/photo/1


Title: Re: EU Referendum in the UK 2016
Post by: marion on June 21, 2016, 03:28:43 pm
I think Lord Ashcroft is definitely trying to tell us something.

This whole business stinks like a barrow load of rotten fish left out in the sun.  For a start why are the pictures of her mother showing her smiling like she is attending a happy family event? 

I heard she was going to be deselected from the Labour Party for undermining Corbyn - how true it is I don't know but it wouldn't surprise me - she seems to have been more interested in bringing countless numbers of economic migrants, oops refugees, to the UK than what was happening to her own constituents.  She was not a million miles away from where Asian gangs were known to be sexually abusing young white girls yet she did nothing


Title: Re: EU Referendum in the UK 2016
Post by: Kuei Fei on June 23, 2016, 06:40:18 am
So, today is the day that the UK public votes whether to stay in or out.


Title: Re: EU Referendum in the UK 2016
Post by: YooperModerator on June 23, 2016, 09:44:57 am
^I know!  I was just reading the Irish Times online and they're predicting 'remain' but it's really really close.  46M or so voters in total, they say.  It's refreshing to read their info compared to our media who really don't have as much accurate nor on-time info. 

How does the voting process go over there in early polling releases? Over here, our media usually predict the results within 10 minutes of polling booths' opening which means nothing.  We should have some idea of how it's going by mid afternoon here, on eastern time US, right?

Good luck to everyone involved!



Title: Re: EU Referendum in the UK 2016
Post by: Kuei Fei on June 23, 2016, 09:58:01 am
There are tons more articles, I'm surprised this isn't top page at the DM right now.

As Britain votes, China says wants to see strong, stable EU
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/wires/reuters/article-3655942/As-Britain-votes-China-says-wants-strong-stable-EU.html

FTSE near 2-week high as voting starts in Britain's EU referendum
Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/wires/reuters/article-3655944/FTSE-near-2-week-high-voting-starts-Britains-EU-referendum.html#ixzz4COIkYHCL

CEE MARKETS-FX steady, stocks a touch weaker as Britain votes in Brexit
Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/wires/reuters/article-3655959/CEE-MARKETS-FX-steady-stocks-touch-weaker-Britain-votes-Brexit.html#ixzz4COIse64g

FTSE LIVE: Footsie and pound push higher as workers struggle through the rain on EU referendum day

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/money/markets/article-3655831/FTSE-LIVE-Footsie-pound-push-higher-workers-struggle-rain-EU-referendum-day.html

Millions begin casting their votes in Britain's historic referendum as the latest polls show the Remain camp is in the lead by six points - but will the weather swing it for Brexit?
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3655775/The-polls-finally-open-Britain-s-historic-Referendum-vote-latest-polls-Remain-camp-lead-six-points-weather-swing-Brexit.html


Title: Re: EU Referendum in the UK 2016
Post by: Maya on June 23, 2016, 10:30:59 am
My vote cast and fingers crossed!

If anything this whole campaign has proven how all media has an agenda and how biased that agenda can be based on who owns the particular media outlet. It's switched me off to buying a lot of newspapers and in truth I'm thinking of switching off the news cycle all together.


Title: Re: EU Referendum in the UK 2016
Post by: YooperModerator on June 23, 2016, 01:49:49 pm
^Yeah, I'm not gonna go with the DM on this one.  Sorry!  CBC has had some informative information, television-wise, however.  And the IT has been quite fair, or so it seems.  Great editorials that actually use proper grammar, don't sensationalize and explain the pros/cons with excruciating detail and care.


Title: Re: EU Referendum in the UK 2016
Post by: Val on June 23, 2016, 07:02:08 pm
The UK public have been horrified at the dirty tricks in this Referendum.  So much scaremongering and lies by the Government.  The public here are shocked at the emotional blackmail too.  Brendan Cox was standing in Parliament square saying that the UK should vote Remain in memory of his late wife Jo Cox.  The public are protesting that is totally out if order.


Title: Re: EU Referendum in the UK 2016
Post by: Val on June 23, 2016, 08:32:30 pm
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3298572/New-charity-scandal-Save-Children-executive-quits-women-s-complaints-inappropriate-behaviour.html

Brendan Cox


Title: Re: EU Referendum in the UK 2016
Post by: marion on June 23, 2016, 10:47:56 pm
Emotional blackmail of the worst kind. 


Title: Re: EU Referendum in the UK 2016
Post by: Kuei Fei on June 23, 2016, 11:02:58 pm
I don't get why it's so vital for Britain to be part of the EU.


Title: Re: EU Referendum in the UK 2016
Post by: Val on June 23, 2016, 11:22:08 pm

^
It's not, it's all about the hidden agenda's of the politicians.  Cameron for example being promised a top job in Europe if we Remain.  Europe need us for our money more than we need them.


Title: Re: EU Referendum in the UK 2016
Post by: cate1949 on June 23, 2016, 11:33:51 pm
The exit polls are close but the money markets have the pound soaring - the banks and hedge funds do private exit polling - so this suggests they know the results are Remain.

KF - in answer to your question - the EU is a project that is heading towards becoming an actual "state" - the US of Europe.  But many Europeans do not want that - if the UK leaves it will encourage other leave movements thus destroying the great European super state idea.

The EU project is a project of elites - the neo liberal corporatists and cultural and intellectual elites.  It is not democratic - the EU parliament is the only elected body and it does not pass or repeal any laws - these are made by the civil servants who obviously cannot be held accountable by the people.

For a great well done understanding of the issues - watch this - Brexit The Movie https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UTMxfAkxfQ0http://


Title: Re: EU Referendum in the UK 2016
Post by: Miss Hathaway on June 24, 2016, 05:19:42 am
So, the UK is out?  Congratulations!


Title: Re: EU Referendum in the UK 2016
Post by: cate1949 on June 24, 2016, 05:27:22 am
rather astonishing - this cobbled together, poorly funded LEAVE organization took on the total establishment and won - just astonishing.

I suspect a few days of complete shock that this has happened but - congrats Britain!  The people did it!


Title: Re: EU Referendum in the UK 2016
Post by: windsor2 on June 24, 2016, 05:31:42 am
Great day for Britain!!!!  :bouncy:


Title: Re: EU Referendum in the UK 2016
Post by: Ariel on June 24, 2016, 06:14:55 am
UK leaving EU is not a threat to EU establishment. If Germany or France want out, then EU will seize to exist. also, UK needs EU more than EU needs UK. the Brexit may feel good now but when the budget deficit hits home, people will start feeling it. and I hope UK kicks itself out of EU because it's verbally aggressive politicians are really getting on my nerves. also because the economy will plummet, and it will, I can add UK to one of my low cost weekend destinations. so from where I see it - if UK leaves EU will be relieved.


Title: Re: EU Referendum in the UK 2016
Post by: Kuei Fei on June 24, 2016, 07:05:39 am
I imagine that the RF is feeling like utter idiots. HM even weighed in, in favor of staying.


Title: Re: EU Referendum in the UK 2016
Post by: Ariel on June 24, 2016, 07:21:06 am
I can see why. Scotland wants to be in EU, Whales doesn't. I foresee a new referendum for Scottish freedom coming soon.


Title: Re: EU Referendum in the UK 2016
Post by: Maya on June 24, 2016, 07:39:25 am
Fantastic day for Great Britain! It's been a hard fought victory for common sense. While it is possible to adore and respect our neighbours freedom from a bureaucratic, monolith with no democratic accountability is worthwhile.


Title: Re: EU Referendum in the UK 2016
Post by: kolkomilko on June 24, 2016, 09:28:34 am
Congratulations!  :flower:


Title: Re: EU Referendum in the UK 2016
Post by: Rosella on June 24, 2016, 09:37:50 am
I imagine that the RF is feeling like utter idiots. HM even weighed in, in favor of staying.

^ I think she did just the opposite, in fact. In May there were rumours that she supported Brexit but a BP spokesperson said firmly that she was neutral. Just recently she was reported to have asked dinner guests, including Members of Parliament, to give her three good reasons why Britain should remain in Europe. BP spokesmen again emphasised that HM was neutral on the issue.


Title: Re: EU Referendum in the UK 2016
Post by: YooperModerator on June 24, 2016, 10:47:16 am
Congratulations!  What astounding news this morning!    :flower:


Title: Re: EU Referendum in the UK 2016
Post by: Akasha 85 on June 24, 2016, 12:47:02 pm
Wow!
I'm mind blown here! The Brexit has happened! :o

And it seems there a new hadrian wall coming up next with the north (Scotland an N-Ireland) voting pro-euro an the south (Wales and England) contra!
The drums for independence will start rumbling again soon I wager!

Poor HM just had her big fancy bday party and now has a big hangover to deal with! :there:
On the bright side chances are that neither Camms nore Kate will ever be queen of the United Kingdom, 8) for it might cease to exist in 5 to 10 years! :bye:
They might just bury it together with Elisabeth! (http://i1095.photobucket.com/albums/i462/akasha2411/Smileys/sick%20sad%20annoyed%20smileys/smiley74.gif) (http://s1095.photobucket.com/user/akasha2411/media/Smileys/sick%20sad%20annoyed%20smileys/smiley74.gif.html)

I wonder if the north would pick a king/queen as head of state?

And yes I'm sticking to the fluffier stuff I know about (like the royals and the impact this might have on them)
Because frankly I don't know enough about british social-economic politics to even guess what the long term consequences if this decision is, so forget having a well funded opinion on it!
Hell I don't even know what this will do for my own country's politics never mind your's! (I really need to catch up on my newspaper reading :-)

A lot of British paper pushers will be returning home from Brussels and have to start looking for a new job I guess, well at least we (the ppl of Europe) won't have to pay their wages anymore now.... :devil:


Title: Re: EU Referendum in the UK 2016
Post by: Miss Hathaway on June 24, 2016, 01:39:47 pm
Anyone heard from Obama?    We taxpayers footed the bill for him and his spouse to take separate planes across the Atlantic and crash the Queen's birthday celebrations so that he could wag his finger in the Brits' faces and preach them a sermon about the EU.   All to no avail.

Rule Britannia.        :thankyou:


Title: Re: EU Referendum in the UK 2016
Post by: Val on June 24, 2016, 01:49:19 pm
^

Haha - gone very quiet.


Title: Re: EU Referendum in the UK 2016
Post by: YooperModerator on June 24, 2016, 02:55:46 pm
^^Obama's being 'briefed'.   :cookie:


Title: Re: EU Referendum in the UK 2016
Post by: Akasha 85 on June 24, 2016, 03:00:10 pm
I just saw a snippet of a White House statement.

"both UK en EU will remain valuable and trusted partners of the US"
Really? Phew thank god!  :wellduh: as if they could have said anything else!
It would have been slightly awkward if they had declared war or something drastic like that  :bored:
(obama himself is probably still spitting his starbucks coffee over the newspapers at breakfast table right now, or perhaps he ordered a stiff drink after hearing the news)

Oh and Trumps said something along the lines of "the ppl of brittain have used the utmost holy right of all free people"  no *poo* captain obvious!


Title: Re: EU Referendum in the UK 2016
Post by: Ariel on June 24, 2016, 03:47:14 pm
It is just a matter of time for Scotland to become independent and for the scottish people to boot out the future king and queen from their country with the "we've had enough of you"
Congrats to all who think that this is a victory. But the time to sober up will come.


Title: Re: EU Referendum in the UK 2016
Post by: Miss Hathaway on June 24, 2016, 04:15:50 pm
^ This was bound to happen no matter the EU vote, though.


Title: Re: EU Referendum in the UK 2016
Post by: HRH Tiana of NOLA on June 24, 2016, 04:17:29 pm
Oh, to be a fly on the wall at the Queen's house right now...


Title: Re: EU Referendum in the UK 2016
Post by: Ariel on June 24, 2016, 04:18:56 pm
I just watched bloomberg tv - they said that many commonwealth companies are in UK because they are part of the commonwealth / have been part of it, have good relations to UK and UK gives them access to the EU market. This will have to change once the Brexit is a fact.

^ in a different thread they wrote that the Queen is for the Brexit.


Title: Re: EU Referendum in the UK 2016
Post by: Akasha 85 on June 24, 2016, 04:28:07 pm
Oddly both groups kinda agree that the true practical exit shouldn't be done too quickly and preferably with a new PM so somewhere around oktober they would like to begin talks, which might last up to 2 years! :o
But Europe is not really a patient divorcee it seems (scorned woman and all that)  :hide:
Both Hollande Tusk and Merkel have already said that there will be no pussyfooting and endless delayed talks about the break up negotiations.  :bat:
And don't even think you getting a sweet bonus/deal.

Sounds to me like EU is saying to the UK "You wanna walk away from this marriage? Fine! Go ahead! But we're keeping the house, money, car and the (sometimes annoying) kid's oh and you owe us some big alimony mister!  :snob:
You made your bed now you have to sleep in it!"

^I know what you mean tiana, I soo badly wanna know what HM reaction this morning was when she heard the news!
I wonder if there was some china flying through the room (courtesy of DOE)   :devil:
I still believe HM is slow to anger but if you manage to piss her of...hide!  :nervous:


Title: Re: EU Referendum in the UK 2016
Post by: Kuei Fei on June 24, 2016, 07:18:59 pm
Now HM's toady Cameron has resigned:

Get out now! Furious EU leaders demand Britain makes quick exit from the EU as Prime Minister David Cameron resigns and global markets plummet over historic referendum vote to leave Europe
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3657605/UK-pound-takes-wild-ride-EU-referendum-results-come-in.html

David Cameron resigns as the UK votes for Brexit with a 51.9% majority
http://www.celebitchy.com/492044/david_cameron_resigns_as_the_uk_votes_for_brexit_with_a_519_majority/

Not good for HM, now her little house elf has resigned.


Title: Re: EU Referendum in the UK 2016
Post by: YooperModerator on June 24, 2016, 07:25:35 pm
^He hasn't left yet.  He's got three whole months to whine, look gracefully defeated and fear-monger.  Plus, HM's been through lots of elves; there's just another one coming down the pike.  How many PMs for her is it now, anyway?



Title: Re: EU Referendum in the UK 2016
Post by: Miss Hathaway on June 24, 2016, 07:46:10 pm
^^ KF, the Queen wanted to leave the EU.  She is smart enough to realize that if Britain does not keep its culture and sovereignty intact, there is no need for a monarchy and all of its British traditions.  She is delighted with the outcome although maintaining her "neutral" stance, of course.


Title: Re: EU Referendum in the UK 2016
Post by: Kuei Fei on June 24, 2016, 08:39:41 pm
^He hasn't left yet.  He's got three whole months to whine, look gracefully defeated and fear-monger.  Plus, HM's been through lots of elves; there's just another one coming down the pike.  How many PMs for her is it now, anyway?

Yet surely HM will miss this elf, who got her the Crown Estates, who basically did all he could to make sure Duchess Dipwit felt welcome, and of course, made numerous threats towards the Scots during the Scottish Referendum.


Title: Re: EU Referendum in the UK 2016
Post by: Alexandrine on June 24, 2016, 08:46:50 pm
Boris Johnson is the same as Cameron in that respect. Any next tory prime minister will not touch her. But the possibility of losing Scotland and maybe NI will not be to her taste.

I think Cameron will leave before october.


Title: Re: EU Referendum in the UK 2016
Post by: cate1949 on June 24, 2016, 09:51:00 pm
lots of emotion and speculation now but.....

notice that the markets in the EU have been hit much worse than the UK market.  So maybe it is true that the EU needs Britain more than Britain needs the EU.

Scotland and independence - consider the price of oil which is what Scotland needs to fund itself independently.  It is 40$ or so per barrel.  Disastrous.  Then the EU requires Scotland to apply for admission which takes many years and also the EU will not allow the current deficit Scotland has (which is currently made up by Westminster).  The current deficit is 15 billion pounds and it is only halfway through the year.  The EU will not allow such a deficit so the Scots would have to endure serious austerity before the EU would let them in.

The RoI does not want NI - NI is an economic basket case and the cost of taking them on is too much for an Ireland just recovering from their financial crisis.

Merkel et.al. can yell about a quickie divorce all they want but it is up to the UK to decide when to invoke Article 50 to end their life in the EU.  Don't be surprised if things do not change as much as some believe - the EU is like Hotel California - you can check out anytime you like but you can never leave.  And Boris may just attempt a renegotiation.

But you have to admit it is somewhat amazing to watch British voters stick it to Merkel, Junker, Goldman Sachs, the entire international neo liberal establishment, Obama, the UK establishment including the BBC, the Guardian, all the liberal media  luvies, the EU, George Soros, the Davos crowd, in one day.  Don't see that often.

Just goes to show it is not a good idea to ignore the protests of 50% of the population.


Title: Re: EU Referendum in the UK 2016
Post by: Alexandrine on June 24, 2016, 10:05:12 pm
LOL Soros didn't lose a cent today

http://www.cnbc.com/2016/06/24/george-soros-stanley-druckenmiller-among-hedge-funds-profiting-in-market-brexit-plunge.html

The EU could do a special procedure for Scotland this is why they want the second referendum quick enough to be able to join before UK leaves officially.

Also doubtful that Ireland wouldn't accept the historical opportunity of accepting NI as Germany did with the east. Merkel comes from the east side btw so money would flow to Ireland.


Title: Re: EU Referendum in the UK 2016
Post by: Ariel on June 24, 2016, 10:45:21 pm
the euro and the EU will suffer as long as the Brexit is not finalized. so Merkel will need to be unfavorable to UK and need to boot UK out as quickly as possible so that the message is sent to the other member states: you're welcome to leave but you will not like it at all.

as for Scotland - I think they'll be wanted IN even if they are not 100% ready. EU needs reforms but it also need countries who believe in EU to stabilize the union. and NI +Ireland re-marriage - I don't see it that fast. maybe after Scotland.


Title: Re: EU Referendum in the UK 2016
Post by: Val on June 24, 2016, 11:12:41 pm
Sarah's view


http://www.bayoubuzz.com/bb/item/1061824-fear-of-muslim-immigration-trumps-with-uk-s-brexit-vote


Title: Re: EU Referendum in the UK 2016
Post by: Ariel on June 24, 2016, 11:21:58 pm
it's not the musmims it's farage and the populists who speak what people want to hear (Trump does it too) but when it comes to actually negotiating what's good for people - they are not so good at delivering on their promises


Title: Re: EU Referendum in the UK 2016
Post by: Rosella on June 25, 2016, 12:53:22 am
lots of emotion and speculation now but.....

notice that the markets in the EU have been hit much worse than the UK market.  So maybe it is true that the EU needs Britain more than Britain needs the EU.

Scotland and independence - consider the price of oil which is what Scotland needs to fund itself independently.  It is 40$ or so per barrel.  Disastrous.  Then the EU requires Scotland to apply for admission which takes many years and also the EU will not allow the current deficit Scotland has (which is currently made up by Westminster).  The current deficit is 15 billion pounds and it is only halfway through the year.  The EU will not allow such a deficit so the Scots would have to endure serious austerity before the EU would let them in.

The RoI does not want NI - NI is an economic basket case and the cost of taking them on is too much for an Ireland just recovering from their financial crisis.

Merkel et.al. can yell about a quickie divorce all they want but it is up to the UK to decide when to invoke Article 50 to end their life in the EU.  Don't be surprised if things do not change as much as some believe - the EU is like Hotel California - you can check out anytime you like but you can never leave.  And Boris may just attempt a renegotiation.

But you have to admit it is somewhat amazing to watch British voters stick it to Merkel, Junker, Goldman Sachs, the entire international neo liberal establishment, Obama, the UK establishment including the BBC, the Guardian, all the liberal media  luvies, the EU, George Soros, the Davos crowd, in one day.  Don't see that often.

Just goes to show it is not a good idea to ignore the protests of 50% of the population.


^You left Cameron and the majority of Cabinet ministers off that list, Cate. Several of those groups, or their Oz equivalents, were on board urging Aussies that they knew best for us at the time of the last republic referendum in Australia. I admit I was conflicted about the Brexit case. However, I believe that Britain will survive and in fact may do very well on its own.


Title: Re: EU Referendum in the UK 2016
Post by: Val on June 26, 2016, 10:35:48 am
Lots of interesting articles coming out about manipulation of DM green arrows also about fake signatures on petitions for another Referendum.

http://www.fakegreenarrows.com/article/416

https://mobile.twitter.com/1NConserv/status/746967420313690112/photo/1

Go and look at going-postal.net


Title: Re: EU Referendum in the UK 2016
Post by: Kuei Fei on June 26, 2016, 11:01:41 am
it's not the musmims it's farage and the populists who speak what people want to hear (Trump does it too) but when it comes to actually negotiating what's good for people - they are not so good at delivering on their promises

No matter how simple the solution, there's always factors that create a convoluted mess of complications.


Title: Re: EU Referendum in the UK 2016
Post by: marion on June 26, 2016, 11:07:01 am

The EU could do a special procedure for Scotland this is why they want the second referendum quick enough to be able to join before UK leaves officially.


I think Wee Crankie,  aka Nicola Sturgeon, is in for a shock. She has been told in no uncertain terms her wish is not the EU's command.

Scotland wold have apply to join the EU if Scotand gains Independence from the UK and this will mean accepting the Euro amongst other things they won't want .  One of the reasons Scotland is so ken to be in the EU is due the enormous amount of funding they get. Without it their tax bills will soar to cover the cost of the benefits bill.  Many things are free north of the border that the rest of us have  to pay for in England. 

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3660320/NON-EU-slaps-Sturgeon-SNP-leader-dramatically-announces-wants-immediate-discussions-STAY-EU-humiliated-Brussels-says-No-s-not-works.html


Title: Re: EU Referendum in the UK 2016
Post by: Little light on June 26, 2016, 03:08:19 pm
^ :goodpost:

I am Scottish and wholeheartedly agree with this view. The whole benefits system is unsustainable North of the Border, with one in four Glaswegians, (dwellers in Glasgow), being supposedly classed as severely disabled and too ill to work!

This percentage is only surpassed by Cambodia/Kampuchea as a result of dictator Pol Pot and the rest of the Khmer Rouge! And their practice of placing land mines across the country to maim their fellow countrymen/women.


And yes, before you ask, I am severely disabled myself, (despite having a Maths degree), so I'm not attacking them. (And this is why I don't post often too).


Title: Re: EU Referendum in the UK 2016
Post by: marion on June 27, 2016, 10:29:09 am

Tony Blair has waded into this Brexit issue and wants the decision overturned - well we all know how he loves democracy and the will of Parliament having taken the UK to an illegal war with Iraq without consulting Parliament first.   


 Have just been reading a Twitter convo on Stewart Jackson Tory Peterborough MP's account. It appears the reason Blair wants a re-run is so he can be quickly stuffed into a Eurocrat position which will give him diplomatic immunity. If he is a Eurocrat he can't be touched and the Chilcot Enquiry report, which is due to be published soon,  is apparently extremely critical of him.

The petition for a 2nd Referendum has been shown to be fraudulent anyway so is discredited now.  MSM media reported it in such a way to make it sound as if 3million UK citizens had signed up to this petition when the link below shows tis not to be the case.  While foreigners are of course entitled to their view on our result  they are not entitled to meddle in politics of another country and demand a second vote.  Someone commented to me yesterday that even in Antarctica huge umbers of people had voted - she said "Damn I knew we never should have given penquins the vote"!!!!

https://www.google.co.uk/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=1&cad=rja&uact=8&ved=0ahUKEwi4_oD78MfNAhUsIsAKHe6AC_MQqQIIHzAA&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.dailymail.co.uk%2Fnews%2Farticle-3660689%2FDon-t-rule-second-EU-referendum-says-Tony-Blair-3million-sign-petition-demanding-run-Labour-MP-calls-Commons-overturn-result.html&usg=AFQjCNFFNHACIhSnTgCqVd4hVsvlyXbIuw&sig2=P7XhNBJf8k4DVPdtbgrDFQ


Title: Re: EU Referendum in the UK 2016
Post by: Val on June 27, 2016, 10:52:49 am
^

So many barely hidden agendas by people looking after their own selfish interests.   Blair must be one of the most detested persons on the planet and he should have been locked up years ago.  How he can sleep at night with all those deaths on his shoulders beggars belief.


Title: Re: EU Referendum in the UK 2016
Post by: marion on June 27, 2016, 01:48:55 pm
^ War Criminal springs to mind


Title: Re: EU Referendum in the UK 2016
Post by: Ariel on June 27, 2016, 09:46:35 pm
wouldn't you agree that less than 5% difference between the two votes is really speaking about how divided is the opinion of UK people? obviously half the country doesn't want Scotland and NI and all the big companies which are in UK because UK is in EU to go. whether the petitions are true or not is irrelevant. the fact is that this country is divided in two and if UK leaves EU, then the better half of UK will leave and there will be no need to call this country United Kingdom any more... because it will not be united any more. it can rename itself to Union of England and Whales. or why not - Kingdom of England and Kingdom of Whales... and both will be fighting who not to take William as a king..


Title: Re: EU Referendum in the UK 2016
Post by: Whiffy Leaks on June 27, 2016, 10:50:05 pm
^

So many barely hidden agendas by people looking after their own selfish interests.   Blair must be one of the most detested persons on the planet and he should have been locked up years ago.  How he can sleep at night with all those deaths on his shoulders beggars belief.


Sorry Val I completely disagree (in a positive way). He should be hung for murder, war crimes and profiteering.


Title: Re: EU Referendum in the UK 2016
Post by: Val on June 28, 2016, 07:02:08 am
^

Whiffy - yes you are right - he should be hung - gaol too good for him.

More wit from Sarah on the Referendum
http://www.bayoubuzz.com/bb/item/1061828-donald-trump-birdies-brexit-the-robot-hillary-clinton-bogies


Title: Re: EU Referendum in the UK 2016
Post by: YooperModerator on June 28, 2016, 02:21:09 pm
http://www.usatoday.com/story/money/markets/2016/06/28/british-stocks-claw-back-brexit-losses/86458584/ (http://www.usatoday.com/story/money/markets/2016/06/28/british-stocks-claw-back-brexit-losses/86458584/)

Quote
Financial markets on Tuesday flashed their first signs of stabilization after the worst-ever two-day paper loss for the world's stock markets in the wake of the United Kingdom's vote to exit the European Union.

U.S. stocks were up sharply about 30 minutes before the opening bell on Wall Street, with the Dow Jones industrial average up 225 points, or 1.3% and the broader Standard & Poor's 500 stock index up 1.3% and the Nasdaq composite up 1.3%. The early bullishness in the U.S. stock market follows a rebound in European stock markets early Tuesday after big losses Friday and Monday,

In London, the FTSE 100 index was up nearly 3%, erasing more than half of its two-day losses. The broad Stoxx Europe 600 index was up 3.2%, but that does little to soothe the pain of a drop of more than 11% Friday and Monday. European benchmark indexes were up more than 3%.

The smart investors know this story like the backs of their hands.  A 'crisis' is created, pick any world-wide subject, and bam! the market absorbs the shock by going down to regroup.  This is when you buy, buy, buy, and sure as the sun rises in the east, we are up 200+ points on the Dow.  Not sure on Standard & Poors but it was up a few minutes ago.  There's nothing more that billionaires love than an 'event' to create an opportunity.  Anyway, it's calming down, as expected. 

Granted, Brexit was an earthquake; I get that.  But so is/was Russia invading the Ukraine, Terrorism, California wildfires, the Prez election, etc.  It's endless but the system is built to withstand it and people, well, savvy people, will still invest and adjust. 


Title: Re: EU Referendum in the UK 2016
Post by: Val on June 28, 2016, 08:19:44 pm
^^^^^
Blair trying to muscle in on EU stuff for his own ends too. 
So many investigating Blair and his shady dealings - a comment in the DM -

Blair's "foundation" must surely be a front for funneling money around (EU beware).  So ironic that Blair, who enabled W. Bush to plunge the world into a false-flag war, would still be hanging around the ME getting money, and that they would GIVE it to him.  Difficult to understand it but apparently being investigated..  Don't let him anywhere the EU as it will be to suit his own greedy ends.

Blair was on CNN today with his "faith foundation."  Sounds like an idea that he took from the Clintons.  Questions being asked as to where Blair gets his foundation money and what he does with it.

He raised eyebrows a while back when in Saudi.  There was a huge meeting of something called "The Global Initiative," and Blair was one of several keynote speakers.  He was allegedly paid a fortune to speak-- but it was strange because he had JUST come in from Israel!!  Where apparently, he also picked up money?!'   He apparently has his eye on Eurooe now to greatly feather his nest.


Title: Re: EU Referendum in the UK 2016
Post by: Val on June 30, 2016, 09:25:45 am
Re this A50 business. There is a lot of conflicting info going around but found some interesting stuff which says there are options.
One is saying that because the original European Communities Act was ultra vires (made without authority) it can simply be overturned by Parliament. It was made without authority as Heath just took us in and we only voted to stay in.

Then there is this Vienna treaty business which is what gives rights to ex pats living in such as France or Spain. There are a number of ways but our main problem is most f the MPs are for Remain.

http://www.theeuroprobe.org/2016-045-confusion-about-vienna-article-50-the-eca-and-leaving-the-eu/

 Seriously what could they do if we just went?


Title: Re: EU Referendum in the UK 2016
Post by: Alexandrine on June 30, 2016, 12:43:03 pm
The funny thing is that the EU want you out like a week ago. It is the UK who hasnt notified its decision.


Title: Re: EU Referendum in the UK 2016
Post by: Val on July 04, 2016, 01:47:09 pm
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Theresa May will take her time and Andrea Leadsom would hurry it along.  Junker wants us to like yesterday!

Re the article below some of the culprits are Slimey traitorous Blair who is said to be connected also Alex Chesterman CEO of Zoopla which is part owned by the Daily Mail!

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3673422/The-resistance-begins-Legal-bid-BLOCK-new-Prime-Minister-triggering-Brexit-unless-pro-EU-MPs-agree.html


The CEO of Zoopla has started the anti-Brexit plan:

http://order-order.com/




Title: Re: EU Referendum in the UK 2016
Post by: marion on July 04, 2016, 07:38:01 pm
Looks like Juncker might be on the way out

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3673325/EU-chief-Jean-Claude-Juncker-mounting-pressure-resign-failures-Brexit-refugee-crisis-Greece.html


Title: Re: EU Referendum in the UK 2016
Post by: Val on July 06, 2016, 07:56:56 am
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About time too, nasty little man.


Title: Re: EU Referendum in the UK 2016
Post by: marion on July 08, 2016, 08:54:57 pm
Seems all the doom and gloom about life after Brexit was all lies - just as well so many weren't fooled by it.  It seems the Tat steel works might actually benefit

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3680501/Could-Brexit-save-Port-Talbot-Sajid-Javid-India-talks-Tata-bosses-steel-giant-rethinks-sale-UK-assets-fall-value-Pound.html

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3680063/What-difference-two-weeks-Osborne-says-City-THRIVE-following-Brexit-remain-world-s-dominant-financial-centre.html

It seems Frau Merkel's aren't over as German now want a referendum !!

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3681021/Left-wingers-tell-Merkel-not-arrogant-let-Germans-hold-EU-referendum-Brexit.html


Title: Re: EU Referendum in the UK 2016
Post by: YooperModerator on July 08, 2016, 09:35:13 pm
^Every serious financial guru has been firm that the whole fear-mongering over Brexit was strictly political and that trade, especially exports, would, in fact, escalate.  How people don't see that astonishes me.  Will it require more manufacturing and restructuring in the banking industry?  Yes.  Will it help the economy in the long run?  Oh my yes.

There was an impact study completed, also, by the tourism industry and, as predicted, trips to London/England are shooting up. CNN had a special on it a night or so ago as much as they hated to admit that non-stop bleeding hearts aren't always the answer to everything.  Sorry, but a country's financial strength is in its identity and ability to maneuver easily without being a slave to a larger entity or the lowest common denominator.  Very simple.  And, yes, I know that makes me sound like a Capitalist.  There's nothing wrong with doing good business.


Title: Re: EU Referendum in the UK 2016
Post by: Alexandrine on July 08, 2016, 09:58:45 pm
^they are going to lose the little manufacturing that remains and most of the finance industry. Even with the best trade deal they will lose most part of the finance industry. The deal with china will fall through also.

UK was in no way slave to the EU. Since their entry they've done what they wanted and had an opt out clause on many deals.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Opt-outs_in_the_European_Union

Now if they want trade they will have to pay the same and lose power inside the organization.

Doubt that UK will get limit on movement unless they lose a lot on other side. Rumour has it that France wants the banks. But others will want to make an example of this so who knows.

This is why no one wants to notify the decision to the EU. Any deal the will get is not going to be well received.


Title: Re: EU Referendum in the UK 2016
Post by: Val on July 09, 2016, 12:12:55 am
The old Commonwealth countries are waiting impatiently to trade with us as are India and China and more.  A trade representative went to India today to negotiate trade (not air miles Andy)!
So many are doing an about turn after Brexit like George Osborbe and the governor of the Bank of England all now saying that the economy will thrive and improve.


Title: Re: EU Referendum in the UK 2016
Post by: YooperModerator on July 09, 2016, 12:19:31 am
^^Oh, I fully understand the at-hand and immediate fallout and agree.  It is, however, from a world-wide vantage point that if you are unable to set your own financials, such as corporate taxes, interest rates, import/export exchanges/contracts because you are bound to the one-nation rule, then, yes, you are a slave.  Right now, since Brexit, my personal portfolio took a hit, but because we have a built-in correction in the US, and a 'buy', my globals are in a better position than they have been since the crash of 2008-09.  Before Brexit, any globals I had were solely dependent upon, in regards to the EU, whatever Brussels said it was or however Merkel wanted to mess about with the rate of inflation and trade balance.

For me, it's a different point of view perhaps because this is how businesses run in the US and maybe that doesn't work in England nor Europe. I don't know but competition, freedom to drive the economy by that very competitive price point is the hallmark of any business's success or failure and that is what a country, any country, ultimately is.  I wouldn't want, say, Canada telling the US what our corporate tax ceiling should be.  It wouldn't work.  That, to me, is what I meant by slavery.  I don't care what Canada decides to do with their own economy other than what do we have to do to compete with it or adjust and do better than they.  That's all.

It's waaay too early to predict anything but if trade is one issue that can be pinpointed, and if the corrections work?  The only news will be good for the UK and the rest of those countries who are solvent.  It boils down to whether or not you want to think in a more spread-the-poverty-wealth mindset or one of incentives for independent growth without restrictions.  The second half of that has inherent risk factors but also enormous potential.


Title: Re: EU Referendum in the UK 2016
Post by: Val on July 09, 2016, 05:24:22 am
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Andrea Leadsom, one of the two women running for PM is very much looking to the future and the enormous potential that we will now have.  She is a banker, economist etc etc and can see the huge benefits of Brexit.  Theresa May will drag it out and try and please her Remain colleagues and voters.  Theresa May as Home Secretary doesn't have a good track record on many things including immigration, border control etc etc.


Title: Re: EU Referendum in the UK 2016
Post by: marion on July 09, 2016, 04:47:20 pm
IMO Angela Leadsom is getting the "Farage" treatment - there is a lot of publicity being given to remarks she is alleged to have made saying she would  be a better PM as she has children and Theresa May doesn't.  On the face of it that is a nasty thing to say as TM wasn't able to have children but it would seem that in fact AL's remarks have been twisted - see transcript of part of the relevant interview below


http://www.conservativehome.com/parliament/2016/07/the-timess-transcript-of-what-leadsom-said-in-her-interview-with-rachel-sylvester.html


Title: Re: EU Referendum in the UK 2016
Post by: Val on July 09, 2016, 05:51:00 pm
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Couldn't agree more ie she is definitely  getting the Farage treatment.   It is obvious that TPTB for the reasons we have discussed want May who will drag out Brexit whilst Leadsom will do what the public voted for and execute a speedy exit.


http://www.conservativewoman.co.uk/rob-slane-electing-may-will-explode-the-myth-that-the-conservatives-are-conservative/


Title: Re: EU Referendum in the UK 2016
Post by: Val on July 12, 2016, 07:04:49 am
Excellent article by Richard Littlejohn

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/debate/article-3685534/RICHARD-LITTLEJOHN-Mother-Theresa-Maggie-time-tell-new-Prime-Minister-healing-divisive.html


Title: Re: EU Referendum in the UK 2016
Post by: marion on July 12, 2016, 05:40:05 pm
If Theresa May doesn't negotiatate to leave the EU the Tories are going to face massive losses at the next General Election. 

Interesting comment from an "outsider" on the Brexit thread on FB..........

"I see Theresa May's appointment as PM has several positives for Brexit; allow me to explain. Andrea Leadsom stopped her leadership challenge because she didn't want the Tories to end up like Labour; a leader without the support of their MPs. In Government, that would be even more difficult, near impossible.

However, the 90 or so Eurosceptic Tories still have the upper hand and can push Mrs May to trigger Article 50, take us out of the EU, and get the best deal. If she doesn't, those Eurosceptic Tory MPs, who let's not forget, forced Cameron to stay true to his promise of us having an EU Referendum in the first place, could call for a "Vote of No Confidence" in the Government. If May loses that, she'll know it will be virtually impossible to push any legislation through as the Eurosceptics would potentially vote with the opposition and defeat the Government every time. That would result in an early General Election.

A General Election anytime soon would see only ONE party offering the 17.4 million what they want; and what they've already voted for once. Even if UKIP only secured half those votes, they'd likely be the biggest single party with all of the others squabbling amongst themselves trying to claim to be the best Remainiacs in the country. Can you imagine UKIP holding the balance of power in another hung Parliament? Just think what we could achieve!

So, if May & Co don't get the best deal possible, and fudge it, forcing the Tory Eurosceptics to put up or shut up, every Tory MP in a LEAVE majority constituency, will be under pressure to act from their Leave supporting constituents. The electorate don't forget, especially when they've been stitched up and lied to. Just ask the Lib-Dems (Tuition Fees 2011) and 4 years later reduced from 48 to just 8 MPs.

Meanwhile, David Cameron, who'll forevermore be remembered as the (man) who lost his country by campaigning against more than half and lying to the entire population, leaves office even more loathed than Tony Blair! Whoever imagined that would be possible? That smarmy, slimy, posh lying git reduced to the walk of shame. Some will be saying "bye bye" most of us will be saying two other words! Cameron's proffetic claim from 2015, that he won't serve a third term, ringing in his ears. In fact, he's only "served" a little more than one fifth of his second term. Bonus.
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Title: Re: EU Referendum in the UK 2016
Post by: Val on July 12, 2016, 09:52:59 pm
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Great and very informative article Marion.  Thanks for posting.


Title: Re: EU Referendum in the UK 2016
Post by: marion on July 15, 2016, 06:23:13 pm
My pleasure Val


Title: Re: EU Referendum in the UK 2016
Post by: marion on July 16, 2016, 06:32:32 pm
 Having voted to shake off the shackles of the EU now we're making ourselves slaves to NS's wishes

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3693271/Fury-Scotland-s-Brexit-veto-MPs-react-angrily-Prime-Minister-Theresa-promises-not-trigger-Article-50-Scots-signed-up.html


Title: Re: EU Referendum in the UK 2016
Post by: Val on July 16, 2016, 09:10:49 pm

So if this is correct, then why did nobody tell May about it before she headed up to Scotland.

https://scontent.fmad3-2.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-0/s480x480/13728990_1215225408496168_9005720098071182458_n.jpg?oh=aa8d93bc082cb3f7075fe2b867526bde&oe=57F34705


Title: Re: EU Referendum in the UK 2016
Post by: marion on July 17, 2016, 12:23:04 pm
Maybe she does know and is just trying to string NS along to find out what her plans  are.  Suspect TM wants to reach out to the Scots who used to vote Tory and others that may be persuaded. NS has so little power - not much more that a parish councillor when it comes to it. Scotland cannot go it alone due to the Act of Union.

All those MPs, especially the Tories, who denigrated this country should be de-selected for the next GE.  We have been a trading nation for 600 years; did these *fools* really think we couldn't survive when we left the EU??

I'd like to see Theresa May and her team make the Midlands and the North-East special cases for funding and regeneration. These areas have been ignored by the Labour Party and it was their votes which won Brexit.  We can't continue to ignore these parts of the England; they provide cannon fodder when the Government wants to wage war and they must be looked after in peace-time.  Ministers for these two areas should be appointed immediately and the overseas aid money should be diverted to caring for our people. 


Title: Re: EU Referendum in the UK 2016
Post by: Kuei Fei on July 17, 2016, 05:50:28 pm
I wonder why it's so vital for Britain to stay in the EU, it's not like it brought advantages.


Title: Re: EU Referendum in the UK 2016
Post by: marion on July 17, 2016, 05:56:44 pm
^ From the UK's point of view it isn't but there will be a big hole in EU finances when we leave - the rest of Europe needs us more than we need them

A friend of mine is an industrialist in the North East – there is a group of them in  the north east, who, for a long time now, have wanted to develop trade with Russia and the Scandinavian and Baltic countries but have been unable to do so because of EU restrictions.  Red tape for applying for EU funding is insane and many are now deciding not to bother as it's actually holding economic development back.
People in the North East have seen their shipping and steel industries in the North, and pottery and car industries (Midlands, esp. Stoke on Trent) and their futures decimated for cheaper products from the EU.
The Tories need to get back to being the party of aspiration and hope for blue-collar workers and their families – traditional Labour Party voters have been ignored by the Metropolitan elite of the current Labour Party.  The Tories could tap into that anger and disenchantment by investing in these impoverished areas and thus bringing back work and, equally important, a better future for the communities.  The work force and the infra-structures are already there but they need to be modernised with the latest technology. It would be a marvellous idea to involve great entrepreneurs like Dyson in this plan and who could be persuaded to put in their own money which would be matched by Government funds.
Overseas aid money would be scrapped and just given for emergencies e.g. earthquakes.  At present it usually gets into the hands of the wrong people and doesn’t; benefit those it is meant for.  It would be better spent on improving industry in the UK which in turn would generate money for emergencies. Priti Patel is in charge and she hates it. I think we will see some interesting developments there.



Title: Re: EU Referendum in the UK 2016
Post by: Val on July 17, 2016, 10:25:07 pm
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Yes interesting developments ahead and we definitely don't need the EU.  As Marion said we are a trading country and will thrive and grow away from the EU.


Title: Re: EU Referendum in the UK 2016
Post by: marion on August 16, 2017, 08:45:06 pm
The one and only Jacob Frees Mogg with the most sensible thoughts on Brexit negotiations I have heard to date. If only he was leading these negotiations or, better still, was PM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EF1w4NnpQIg


Title: Re: EU Referendum in the UK 2016
Post by: Val on August 17, 2017, 07:12:56 am
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Couldn't agree more as many in the UK do.