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Title: Is Harry pushed forward to replace William and Kate?
Post by: Stephanie on June 04, 2015, 07:52:40 pm
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3111370/Just-case-needed-title-Prince-Harry-KNIGHT-grandmother-appoints-Royal-Victorian-Order.html
Harry is getting more and more recognition while con artists Wimpo and Waity are wasting away at Shadow Hall. :Carole:


Title: Re: Is Harry pushed forward to replace William and Kate?
Post by: gingerboy24 on June 04, 2015, 10:04:42 pm
We can but hope.  But bill medd is spitting feathers  :laugh: :laugh: :laugh: :laugh:


Title: Re: Is Harry pushed forward to replace William and Kate?
Post by: meememe on June 04, 2015, 10:16:19 pm
William has both the Garter and the Thistle and is an Aide-de-Camp to HM. These are much higher knighthoods than the RVO which ranks 6th in the order of knighthoods while William has the two highest ranked ones.

Harry has been given the Royal Victorian Order.

The interesting thing is that this is the one award she hasn't given Charles although Anne, Andrew and Edward and the other HRHs have (not Beatrice or Eugenie of course). The only two adult HRHs who don't have any level of the Royal Victorian Order are the future Kings - Charles and William. Even Prince Michael of Kent has this one.

I wouldn't read too much into this other than Harry has served The Queen in some way.


Title: Re: Is Harry pushed forward to replace William and Kate?
Post by: YooperModerator on June 04, 2015, 10:18:31 pm
^^Do you really think so?   Way down deep inside of himself?  He might not like it but I think a part of him wouldn't exactly *despise* being removed from the responsibility.  IF he got to keep all his perks.  Harry seems to be so much more of a better link between the monarchy and the rest of the world.  Well, it's nice to dream anyway.  Harry might not like it but he'd do a dam# good job and far far more what the monarchy needs right now.  Somebody they LIKE.


Title: Re: Is Harry pushed forward to replace William and Kate?
Post by: Fly on the wall on June 04, 2015, 10:33:57 pm
HERE comes pics of George and Charlotte. cant have harry having all this good press


Title: Re: Is Harry pushed forward to replace William and Kate?
Post by: meememe on June 04, 2015, 10:34:34 pm
Yes I do believe this.

William is the future King and will do a fine job when the time comes.

Historically the 'charismatic' one doesn't cut it as monarch while the boring, steady one does. Look back at the last four or so generations - Eddy and George V - Eddy was popular, outgoing and a bit of a dummy but the steady George was a fine monarch. That was repeated in the next generation when the charismatic, in touch with the people couldn't cut it as the monarch and couldn't handle the constraints of being monarch which lead to the government grasping the opportunity of his love life to force him to abdicate and again in came the steady, boring but in the end very popular George VI. Margaret was always the outgoing fun-loving sister but Elizabeth is the much-loved and respected steady as she goes monarch and again in Charles' generation - Andrew the fun-loving popular younger brother but no one would want Andrew as King. Harry couldn't handle the desk life in the military and that was his future - do you really think he could handle the hours and hours of desk-bound work that the monarch has to do every day of the year (it takes the Queen around 4 hours a day to do her boxes and deal with the rest of the paper work she has to do and she only has two days off from that per year). Harry might connect to the people but he isn't monarch material. He is too flighty.

William is the steadier of the two brothers. HM and Charles have approved his approach both having wished to spend more time as parents with their young children but forced by duty to step up.

I know my view is unpopular on this board but I do believe that William is doing what he is doing with HM and Charles' total approval and that he will step up his number of duties when he is needed. He has shown in both Japan and China that he can do what is required. I saw him in Sydney - sort of - the crowd was 10+ deep and he was somewhere in the street and I was at the back of the crowd and everyone was pleased to see him.

In time William will do a fine job but given the longevity of his grandparents it could be another decade before he is the heir apparent and another 20 after that before he is the monarch - or it could happen next week. He has been doing investitures and attending meetings, meeting national leaders on overseas tours etc and so it being prepared for his future role in the same way that The Queen trained Charles - experience - learning the job by doing the job.


Title: Re: Is Harry pushed forward to replace William and Kate?
Post by: Stephanie on June 04, 2015, 11:40:45 pm
^
I know what you are saying, mememe.
However I feel that Wimpo does not WANT the job, he IMO rejects it beforehand.
Chuck( no matter what his faults are) has shown from an early age on that he wants to serve and sees his responsibilities.
Wimpo on the other hand does not.
He has a vanity "job" and fills his time with Manson drama.
Harry IMO is the steady one when it comes to duties and discipline.
Personally I compare Wimpo with Eddy-lets his private affairs consume him and runs away sulking and complaining.
Harry is portayed as the "dumb" one for not going to college but I feel Harry is a lot more perceptive the Wimpo.
In a way if feels wrong to talk about brothers this way but Wimpo brought it to himself for not serving, not even in his"job", his endless vacations, his despise for the public, his out of control spending etc.


Title: Re: Is Harry pushed forward to replace William and Kate?
Post by: leogirl on June 05, 2015, 12:32:25 am
I hope you're right meememe, but PW two biggest hobbies right now seem to be vacationing and complaining. Yes, people can change, but the best predictor of future behavior is past/present behavior. :(


Title: Re: Is Harry pushed forward to replace William and Kate?
Post by: Kuei Fei on June 05, 2015, 12:47:36 am
I think William and Kate are being eased out; I do think Harry is becoming the favored one mainly since after all, Kate was all over Harry and her instincts about men who are on their way up are often spot on.


Title: Re: Is Harry pushed forward to replace William and Kate?
Post by: CathyJane on June 05, 2015, 03:11:28 am
I sure hope so!


Title: Re: Is Harry pushed forward to replace William and Kate?
Post by: Snowpea on June 05, 2015, 01:35:36 pm
Yes I do believe this.

William is the future King and will do a fine job when the time comes.

Historically the 'charismatic' one doesn't cut it as monarch while the boring, steady one does. Look back at the last four or so generations - Eddy and George V - Eddy was popular, outgoing and a bit of a dummy but the steady George was a fine monarch. That was repeated in the next generation when the charismatic, in touch with the people couldn't cut it as the monarch and couldn't handle the constraints of being monarch which lead to the government grasping the opportunity of his love life to force him to abdicate and again in came the steady, boring but in the end very popular George VI. Margaret was always the outgoing fun-loving sister but Elizabeth is the much-loved and respected steady as she goes monarch and again in Charles' generation - Andrew the fun-loving popular younger brother but no one would want Andrew as King. Harry couldn't handle the desk life in the military and that was his future - do you really think he could handle the hours and hours of desk-bound work that the monarch has to do every day of the year (it takes the Queen around 4 hours a day to do her boxes and deal with the rest of the paper work she has to do and she only has two days off from that per year). Harry might connect to the people but he isn't monarch material. He is too flighty.

William is the steadier of the two brothers. HM and Charles have approved his approach both having wished to spend more time as parents with their young children but forced by duty to step up.

I know my view is unpopular on this board but I do believe that William is doing what he is doing with HM and Charles' total approval and that he will step up his number of duties when he is needed. He has shown in both Japan and China that he can do what is required. I saw him in Sydney - sort of - the crowd was 10+ deep and he was somewhere in the street and I was at the back of the crowd and everyone was pleased to see him.

In time William will do a fine job but given the longevity of his grandparents it could be another decade before he is the heir apparent and another 20 after that before he is the monarch - or it could happen next week. He has been doing investitures and attending meetings, meeting national leaders on overseas tours etc and so it being prepared for his future role in the same way that The Queen trained Charles - experience - learning the job by doing the job.

William will not do a good job, IMO, because of his arrogance and character. A King needs to have more selflessness and a good care and regard for people. In 10 good years, the Diana factor will be a distant memory. He's a poor speciman - not King material.


Title: Re: Is Harry pushed forward to replace William and Kate?
Post by: AnaBolena on June 05, 2015, 04:40:41 pm
I have a weird feeling, and have had this feeling for a very long time, but I don't feel William will ever be king.  I have no rational explanation for this feeling, but it's very strong.


Title: Re: Is Harry pushed forward to replace William and Kate?
Post by: Kuei Fei on June 05, 2015, 04:44:07 pm
You know, if Harry replaced William, I do think it would totally shatter William; I don't think he's going to be King, but I wonder how William will handle it.


Title: Re: Is Harry pushed forward to replace William and Kate?
Post by: YooperModerator on June 05, 2015, 05:56:10 pm
^Boy, I wish I gave a sh#t how he'd feel about it if such a thing happened.  IF the unbelievable happens and Harry jumps ahead in line, until George, PW brought it all upon himself.  He has made it beyond clear what kind of lifestyle he prefers and it doesn't bear much resemblance to what others in the RF are up to.  He's been wanting a 'normal' lifestyle since I can remember and his animosity towards the media appears to border on a certain madness that is counter-intuitive to the connection the people require to keep the monies flowing and the charities engaged.  He tries to hide it but there is always an undercurrent of reluctance and disdain that is a complete turnoff to me and I'm sick of seeing it.


Title: Re: Is Harry pushed forward to replace William and Kate?
Post by: gingerboy24 on June 05, 2015, 06:54:21 pm
I have a weird feeling, and have had this feeling for a very long time, but I don't feel William will ever be king.  I have no rational explanation for this feeling, but it's very strong.

Maybe not quite so weird.  I have read several birth charts/horoscope type things for bill medd, and they have said he will never be king, and he could have a short life span.  Now, we all know these things can be wrong, and are based on many things, but interesting nonetheless.  I don´t see the sprogs as being king or queen either, never in a month of Sundays.

As ever, time will tell, we keep will just wait and see how things develop.  But do tend to agree with you, I have never felt he would make it to king either.


Title: Re: Is Harry pushed forward to replace William and Kate?
Post by: leogirl on June 05, 2015, 10:28:02 pm
Well, Willie hasn't exactly been living the healthiest lifestyle. He looks like he lost a bunch of weight, he smokes, and he looks to have aged a decade in the last five years. Top that off with the drinking and partying in his 20's. And considering how casual Uncle Gary was about chopping up drugs on camera, I would not be surprised at all if there was some drug use at his place. These things will eventually catch up with someone.

I think Harry needs to focus more on his job. He looks to have put on some weight, which isn't a good sign because military men are supposed to be in top shape. I would also like to see the partying (drunk/nudity) end. He's far too old for that nonsense; it's time to grow up. I like that he's doing charity work and I'd like to see more of that. Harry does seem to have a good connection with people, so they should definitely have him do more appearances.


Title: Re: Is Harry pushed forward to replace William and Kate?
Post by: Diaphenous on June 05, 2015, 11:29:54 pm
I have a weird feeling, and have had this feeling for a very long time, but I don't feel William will ever be king.  I have no rational explanation for this feeling, but it's very strong.

Well, if predictions are anything to go by, Charles will become King but not for long.  Something is going to happen to William, perhaps an accident whilst he is flying and someone will take the throne with sadness because he is alone and has lost people close to him.  I know a lot of these predictions are never correct but something resonated with me regarding this and I would not be surprised if the above did not play out.


Title: Re: Is Harry pushed forward to replace William and Kate?
Post by: YooperModerator on June 05, 2015, 11:44:08 pm
Even if something, and God forbid really, happened to PW, Harry would be Prince Regent for George, right?  If George was under 18, that is, I think. 

OR, does HM have the power to change the line of succession? 


Title: Re: Is Harry pushed forward to replace William and Kate?
Post by: meememe on June 06, 2015, 12:25:16 am
The Queen can't change the line of succession.

If George became King before he turned 18 Harry would be regent until George's 18th birthday and then George would take over fully from that day onwards.



Title: Re: Is Harry pushed forward to replace William and Kate?
Post by: cate1949 on June 06, 2015, 03:14:12 am
First off - only Parliament can change the line of succession so I rather doubt that Harry is being pushed forward to replace Will.

Second off - I agree with memeeme - Will is boring but he is ultimately a steadier person than Harry.  Harry is a great representative for the monarchy but there are lots of signs he is not so steady in his private life.  And I do not think Harry wants to be King either - he has made a lot of statements that indicate he is just fine where he is.

Be careful what you want - you might get it !   :o



Title: Re: Is Harry pushed forward to replace William and Kate?
Post by: Wish on June 06, 2015, 10:14:53 am
I don't think the British people will have a problem with William being king (or Kate being queen for that matter) the problems lie with Kate's family.  Regardless to what we think on this board the people of Britain have had a royal family for centuries and have been conditioned to accept the reigning monarch regardless of the flaws and indiscretions. 

However, in modern times the British people have never encountered a ruthless social climbing family of opportunists such like the Middletons and unless they are reined in then I fear the monarchy will suffer.  It was interesting to note that the queen made a point of going to the Women's Institute with her daughter and daughter in-law, she also made her annual visit the Chelsea Flower Show (with the rest of the senior royals in tow), and made the headlines with her visit to Harry's garden.  Then she capped it off by rewarding Harry with Knight of Royal Victorian Order.  It's all very subtle but HM is gently reminding the British people who the royal family are and it's not the Middletons.  We have Royal Ascot coming up and I will wager that once again HM will use the occasion to highlight the "real" royal family.  The Middletons "might" get a ride in a carriage but, if they do I'm sure it will be so that HM can judge the feelings of her people.  If "outraged from Tonbridge Wells" posts too many negative comments in the Mail about them sharing a ride with the queen then I think that the Middletons will start to feel the real power of the British establishment.  If I were the Middletons I would stay with Wimbledon because attending the "sport of kings" may just be the beginning of the end for them.

The Middletons might think they're playing the "long-game" by hanging on to William's coat tails but, if they had truly studied their history then they should realise the royals play the same game better and very rarely do their opponents see it coming.  The queen is too much of a traditionalist to try and force out William but, in her own subtle way she will make sure that the British public are reminded which members of the family have "true" royal blood.


Title: Re: Is Harry pushed forward to replace William and Kate?
Post by: My2Pence on June 07, 2015, 04:28:52 am
"William is the steadier of the two brothers. HM and Charles have approved his approach both having wished to spend more time as parents with their young children but forced by duty to step up."

Working a few hundred royal engagements a year does not add up to a tough work schedule. They wouldn't be torn away from their children by being forced to work evil royal engagements. It would amount to far less than a 40 hour week, let's not kid ourselves. William will now be pretending to work a 40 hour week as a pilot, but somehow this is better for him as a parent than working 20 hours of week of royal engagements instead?

I see nothing steady in William, other than his constant whining, ducking of responsibility, and selfish attitude. He spent a decade skipping around branches of the military, committing to nothing, and not pulling his military weight. He dragged his feet on his unsuitable bride, only marrying her as a last resort out of laziness and guilt. He doesn't show steadiness of character, long-term thinking, committed support to his role and charities, or an even-keel temperament. He has shown no improvement or development in his role, unlike Harry who consistently improves and learns over time.

I also see no tacit approval from HM or Charles that they are ok with the current lazy attitude. I think they were rooked into giving them the largest KP apartment with Anmer as a weekend-only retreat, and William pulled a fast one on them. They expected these two to be full-time royals and William pulled the EAAA thing behind their backs.

HM and Charles play the long game, but neither of them knows how to handle William and his erratic behavior - just like they couldn't handle Diana's.


Title: Re: Is Harry pushed forward to replace William and Kate?
Post by: My2Pence on June 07, 2015, 04:32:37 am
dupe post


Title: Re: Is Harry pushed forward to replace William and Kate?
Post by: archduchess on June 07, 2015, 08:11:00 am
HERE comes pics of George and Charlotte. cant have harry having all this good press

you got it right  :tehe:


Title: Re: Is Harry pushed forward to replace William and Kate?
Post by: Creepy on June 09, 2015, 01:41:10 am
Katy Cambridge´s faux paus moments won´t decrease in frequency so for our viewing pleasure there is going to be an epically shameful consort Queen funny momments and a King who couldn´t care less. Her exhibicionist tendencies when/if she becomes queenie will make their way to History books.  :bouncy: bignono


Title: Re: Is Harry pushed forward to replace William and Kate?
Post by: Stephanie on June 09, 2015, 10:47:47 pm
Harry fleeing the christening and once again put center stage.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3117260/Prince-Harry-Prince-Charles-arrive-London-s-Royal-Hospital-Chelsea-Gurkhas-pageant-mark-200-years-service-British-Crown.html
 :Carole:


Title: Re: Is Harry pushed forward to replace William and Kate?
Post by: Kuei Fei on March 25, 2016, 05:00:25 pm
As for me, I DO think something graver than a divorce is to be announced, like an abdication. Signs are :

- William is trapped in reading a pro-Brexit speech -> Which makes him sounds like a monarch who has no idea about what he does.
- Kate does not go to the Shamrocks anymore. -> Kate is not a royal anymore.
- William is publicly announced to see his former flame in Africa. -> Time to announce it is a troubled marriage.
- The DM's title of the article about Harry's interview yesterday : "Prince Harry admits he struggles with the pressure of walking in the Queen's 'remarkable' footsteps" (http://www.dailymail.co.uk/femail/article-3506297/Prince-Harry-hails-Queen-remarkable-admits-struggles-pressure-walking-footsteps.html). -> Isn't it clear ?
- Harry rumoured to go to Yale. Last year, the Queen bought a flat in New York.


I got this off of the surrogacy thread and I think Harry will be replaced; Kate not doing the Irish Guard presentation could be a signal that she won't be a royal duchess and future Queen Consort in the future. I just think Harry will be moved forward as heir and I think he's going to be sent to school to learn how to handle diplomacy and how to handle things that William should have been trained in. I don't think Harry would refuse if offered and I think he would like to be king. I think it would be telling to see how Harry takes to such a role, as the new future king.


Title: Re: Is Harry pushed forward to replace William and Kate?
Post by: meememe on March 25, 2016, 09:56:22 pm
A couple of points about the last post by KF:

Harry doesn't have the grades for Yale (or any university). 2 poor A levels won't get someone into a university and to do the alleged course, which has been denied, requires a bachelor's course at the very least which he doesn't have (William has a masters degree by comparison)

The Queen's property in New York was bought in her name but not for her personally as it was bought by the New Zealand government as an official NZ property and thus in the name of HM the Queen of New Zealand. There are many such properties all over the world - ones in her name as the Head of State but not her personal property.


Title: Re: Is Harry pushed forward to replace William and Kate?
Post by: Val on March 25, 2016, 10:09:19 pm
^

Unfortunately the RF manage to get in to the University of their choice without the requisite grades.  I think that was how Charles obtained a place at Cambridge.


Title: Re: Is Harry pushed forward to replace William and Kate?
Post by: Kuei Fei on March 25, 2016, 10:15:34 pm
A couple of points about the last post by KF:

Harry doesn't have the grades for Yale (or any university). 2 poor A levels won't get someone into a university and to do the alleged course, which has been denied, requires a bachelor's course at the very least which he doesn't have (William has a masters degree by comparison)

The Queen's property in New York was bought in her name but not for her personally as it was bought by the New Zealand government as an official NZ property and thus in the name of HM the Queen of New Zealand. There are many such properties all over the world - ones in her name as the Head of State but not her personal property.

I don't think a lack of good grades would prevent Harry from being accepted; if Hollywood celebs can get into Harvard then I am sure that Harry can get into Yale. I do think Harry is being given more important assignments and meeting with heads of state is a signal that he's being moved forward.


Title: Re: Is Harry pushed forward to replace William and Kate?
Post by: meememe on March 25, 2016, 10:23:50 pm
All royals meet Heads of State - nothing special there. William met the President of Kenya on Thursday. Anne, Andrew, Edward right down to the Duke of Kent met Heads of State when they visit overseas nations. Not every time of course - if they are going to Germany for the day as they do then no meeting with the President but if there for multiple days then it is the normal practice to meet the Head of State.

Harry's grades weren't even good enough for them to push for a university place - his grades showed a lack of academic ability and there would be an outcry if he were to get such a place - remember the outcry over William's bespoke course at Cambridge because his school marks weren't good enough for Cambridge. At that time he already had a full degree from St Andrew's - a university for which he did have the grades - and was doing a short special course and not a full course.

Harry won't be going to any university and certainly not to the USA. That would be seen as a total insult to the British education system and would upset a lot of Brits.


Title: Re: Is Harry pushed forward to replace William and Kate?
Post by: Kuei Fei on March 25, 2016, 10:35:36 pm
During appearances on the balcony Harry is placed next to the Queen, a sign that he's in favor and William, despite being someone who is next in line and should be nearer HM. As for overseas education, it's been done before and I don't think he's someone who would dislike learning in a foreign country.


Title: Re: Is Harry pushed forward to replace William and Kate?
Post by: Emperor on March 25, 2016, 11:56:16 pm

- Harry rumoured to go to Yale. Last year, the Queen bought a flat in New York. [/b]

Where did you read the Queen bought a flat in New York?


Title: Re: Is Harry pushed forward to replace William and Kate?
Post by: meememe on March 26, 2016, 12:26:19 am
There were reports last year that an apartment had been bought in the Queen's name -- which it was - but it was bought by the NZ government for the use of NZ diplomats etc. Some people erroneously assumed that it was bought as part of the Queen's personal property portfolio not realising that all of the Queen's realms buy property for the use of their diplomats and officials in the name of The Queen.


Title: Re: Is Harry pushed forward to replace William and Kate?
Post by: Kuei Fei on March 26, 2016, 01:07:10 am
Back on topic, I think Harry will be groomed; moved into place and the kids are ineligible if they come from surrogates.

- Harry rumoured to go to Yale. Last year, the Queen bought a flat in New York. [/b]
Where did you read the Queen bought a flat in New York?

This is just a quote I picked up from another thread! I'm not claiming anything!


Title: Re: Is Harry pushed forward to replace William and Kate?
Post by: Joanna on March 26, 2016, 11:40:03 am
^I agree, I think Harry is being groomed. I find that his admitting that "he struggles with the pressure of walking in the Queen's 'remarkable' footsteps" quite interesting.  There's no doubt in my mind he would make a better King than his brother. :sigh:


Title: Re: Is Harry pushed forward to replace William and Kate?
Post by: kolkomilko on March 26, 2016, 12:23:08 pm
^ Is there any legal way for doing it?  :cookie:


Title: Re: Is Harry pushed forward to replace William and Kate?
Post by: gingerboy24 on March 26, 2016, 12:28:27 pm
There has to be.  Apparently HM gets Acts of Parliament pushed through, very fast, via Parliament. Bit like politics, meant not to interfere or have knowledge.  If she wants to get rid of bill medd nad get Harry in there then it will be done.  No matter who says what, HM gets her own way, bit like the court system, why do so many royals and government members get off with most things, HM runs the courts, but we are not meant to know that, she runs everything. So yes, irrespective of anything else, if that is the route she wants to take `lace then it will. She must realise by now he is not fit for the job.  Almost 34 and still thinks he is a teeny bopper about town playing on the "Diana is Dead" card, which wore out donkeys years ago and has been long forgotten  -  can only trade off something like that for so long.


Title: Re: Is Harry pushed forward to replace William and Kate?
Post by: Joanna on March 26, 2016, 12:52:45 pm
^^ I'm not british so I don't know much about the british laws, my knowledge is limited to what the kind members of this forum have told me but if I understood correctly the only legal way to do this would be if William renounced to his claim (rights?) to the throne or was proven unfit for the position.

Then his children would be next in line and here's what I'm not sure about, I think they would only be removed in the same way their father could be: by death or if it were to be proved in a court that they're not fit to rule (not being a legitimate child or suffering serious illness could be reasonings) but I don't know.  :dontknow:

^I hope they take to heart the saying "desperate times call for desperate measures".  :cookie:


Title: Re: Is Harry pushed forward to replace William and Kate?
Post by: Liquorice on March 26, 2016, 01:54:01 pm
Harry won't be going to any university and certainly not to the USA. That would be seen as a total insult to the British education system and would upset a lot of Brits.

Oh yes, he could, just to make publicity. British and American universities must be beginning a crisis now. Student loans are hard to being refunded ; youngsters struggle to get a good job. Now parents are wondering if universities are so good and would rather put their children to apprenticeship. So I don't think any American or British university can afford to refuse Harry.


^^ I'm not british so I don't know much about the british laws, my knowledge is limited to what the kind members of this forum have told me but if I understood correctly the only legal way to do this would be if William renounced to his claim (rights?) to the throne or was proven unfit for the position.

Then his children would be next in line and here's what I'm not sure about, I think they would only be removed in the same way their father could be: by death or if it were to be proved in a court that they're not fit to rule (not being a legitimate child or suffering serious illness could be reasonings) but I don't know.  :dontknow:

^I hope they take to heart the saying "desperate times call for desperate measures".  :cookie:

The Parliament is the sovereign power ; the Queen is only tolerated. If the Parliament decides any person is unfit to be the monarch or in the Line of Succession, it can. Except it won't be without scandals and political uproar and crisis. It is a very grave decision to do. You know the War of Wales, the PR dispute between Charles and Diana ? This is nothing compared to what would happen if William or the children were removed from the line.
After this, I don't think any member here can guess how removing the children will be implemented. Even the politicians and courtiers mustn't know. It is an unprecedented fact.

By the way, my own words were quoted here by Kuei Fei from the surrogacy thread.


Title: Re: Is Harry pushed forward to replace William and Kate?
Post by: marion on March 26, 2016, 02:30:38 pm
^^@Joanna - the children would automatically be removed if they are not "born f the body" - for info re tis look on Possible Surrogacy thread.

Parliament is supposed to be the ultimate power but it well-known that ER has meddled on more than one occasion to get what she wanted either dropped or pushed thorugh


Title: Re: Is Harry pushed forward to replace William and Kate?
Post by: Ariel on March 26, 2016, 02:38:12 pm
we saw that. Kei should have put the quotes on it.
I don't think that it is that easy to put Harry on the throne. Even if William removes himself or is removed from the throne - his children are legit heirs. the only way they can be removed is if they are not true heirs but again - brf has had in the past rumors of official queen with children from a different mother and has kept it quiet. to admit such thing it would shake the ground beneath the whole establishment.

I do not think that it is an insult to go to university if you have bad grades. bad grades do not make you dumb or unfit for education. Bill gates and Steve Jobs had bad grades and look how that turned out for them. also - I think it would be better for him to take courses in a US college because he will be able to escape the dramas around him in London. besides - there are wonderful execute mbas where you meet with highly successful people in their field - the kind of people who are good connections and Harry can benefit from that. of course he doesn't have a bachelor's degree but he can figure something out.  


Title: Re: Is Harry pushed forward to replace William and Kate?
Post by: Kuei Fei on March 26, 2016, 02:44:01 pm
I think Harry would be a good student and to get away from London would be good for him.

^ Is there any legal way for doing it?  :cookie:

If William is declared mentally unfit, then it can be done and if the BRF is willing to risk the wrath of the public by revealing something about the kids that would make them ineligible, then the kids would be removed and so would Kate's power. I do think that HM would prefer Harry, since Harry is unattached and I think HM and Charles and the courtiers fantasize about having William and Kate kicked out so they can groom Harry. I wager if that happened Harry's family would end up cloistering Harry before they would let him run wild (like what happened with Henry VIII).


Title: Re: Is Harry pushed forward to replace William and Kate?
Post by: Liquorice on March 26, 2016, 03:22:06 pm
Parliament is supposed to be the ultimate power but it well-known that ER has meddled on more than one occasion to get what she wanted either dropped or pushed thorugh

ER can meddle her way because she is a powerful, reliable monarch liked by her subjects. I doubt William will be able to do the same thing if he is king. If the Parliament chose to remove the king/queen, it would be a time of instability. No one likes a instable country, that is why the vast majority of politicians are in good terms with the Queen. Still, legally, the Parliament can do what it want, considering that the UK constitution is rather vague and based on common law. And we face an unprecedented situation.

brf has had in the past rumors of official queen with children from a different mother and has kept it quiet.  

Impossible to do this today ! The last time was in the 17th century, wasn't it ? Now we have the Internet, social networks, forums like ours... and DNA testing (for the wildest theories).

If William is declared mentally unfit, then it can be done and if the BRF is willing to risk the wrath of the public by revealing something about the kids that would make them ineligible

Lots of people already know they were not born out of the body. Furthermore, I wonder what else people can post about this on the DM before comments are removed. No, lots of people already know. The phrase here would not be reveal, but making it official.
Plus, don't forget this situation is a vulnerability for the UK. Putin blackmailed the BRF last year with an article threatening to reveal details about the surrogacies. Yes, really, the UK is being subjected to foreign blackmail because of the Cambridges'/Middletons' craps. It is high time they do something, for the sake of the country.


Title: Re: Is Harry pushed forward to replace William and Kate?
Post by: Kuei Fei on March 26, 2016, 03:32:26 pm
If the UK/BRF is being blackmailed by Putin, I am certain that HM will order WK to step aside and HM will move heaven and earth to put Harry forward. HM has the goodwill and leverage after so many years of service she could easily submit a proposal after William 'voluntarily' announces he is stepping aside. As far as we all know, Harry doesn't have anything in his background behind closed doors that would be good material to use as blackmail.


Title: Re: Is Harry pushed forward to replace William and Kate?
Post by: Liquorice on March 26, 2016, 08:06:17 pm
^ At least that's what I concluded after seeing this article http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3066700/A-surrogate-gave-birth-Kate-say-Russians-Pro-Kremlin-newspaper-makes-series-bizarre-claims-birth.html and Rebecca English must have thought the same, for meanwhile she had a picture of a newspaper cover paper where Prince Charles calling Putin Hitler as her Twitter background cover.


Title: Re: Is Harry pushed forward to replace William and Kate?
Post by: Ariel on March 26, 2016, 09:15:22 pm
let's not get ahead of ourselves. as good Harry's work is and as loved as he is now all it takes is an airheaded gold digging missy as a choice of gf and his reputation will be back in the mud and william and kate will be back on top. all it takes is one jet setting freeloading lazy gf with no direction in life except for making secret phone calls to the press to turn the tides around. also I highly doubt that the establishment will do anything against w&k before Harry marries and has a child. they will groom him but will not put him forward until they are sure that there is a heir to the throne. preferably two.


Title: Re: Is Harry pushed forward to replace William and Kate?
Post by: Liquorice on March 26, 2016, 09:19:22 pm
Harry could be groomed while staying in the UK. If they decide to send him to the USA, that's because they intend to take action meanwhile.


Title: Re: Is Harry pushed forward to replace William and Kate?
Post by: Kuei Fei on March 26, 2016, 10:22:12 pm
I think that is why Harry would be sent overseas; to keep him out of the way while WK are ejected from the BRF and Britain. I do think that Harry wouldn't mind being king, I think he's had his fantasies about reigning at the top of the BRF.


Title: Re: Is Harry pushed forward to replace William and Kate?
Post by: Alexandrine on March 26, 2016, 11:16:32 pm
I don't think there is any realistic way to take Will out of the succession and his children without creating chaos. Maybe if he wants to end the monarchy it would be a good way but the institution taking Will out is impossible.



Title: Re: Is Harry pushed forward to replace William and Kate?
Post by: Kuei Fei on March 27, 2016, 12:49:01 am
As it is, WK are already causing nonstop chaos; both are not working and both are destroying themselves and beginning to take pot shots at each other. I think it would restructure things, but the current situation is way too chaotic.


Title: Re: Is Harry pushed forward to replace William and Kate?
Post by: meememe on March 27, 2016, 05:10:58 am
It also needs to be remembered that there isn't only one parliament and one set of laws that have to be considered but 16 as the Queen is Head of State of 16 different realms and most of them now have to pass any changes to succession laws directly whereas in 1936 they didn't have to actually do anything other than accept the UK's decision. Since then the Statute of Westminster has been ratified in most of them giving the right to have a say in the succession. It isn't therefore a given that those relevant legislative bodies would actually agree with the UK and until all of them have past the legislation it doesn't apply in any of them e.g. the most recent Succession to the Crown Act was past in the UK in 2013 but wasn't effective until 2015 as it took that long to get it through the various bodies. It even took 2 years to get the wording of the legislation written in such a way that it could be past. Any legislation would therefore have to also meet the requirements of the constitutions of the other realms and the laws of those jurisdictions.


Title: Re: Is Harry pushed forward to replace William and Kate?
Post by: Liquorice on March 27, 2016, 09:28:39 am
^ Meememe, you are right to remind us there are the Commonwealth countries too !

I don't know the law of the Succession in these countries, but I guess you have to be "born out of the body" too. And still, which country would want a king and his wife who would have made fraud, likely bribery, and God knows what other mess ? Because the problem of the Succession is not only legal, it is also an ethical one. Having a Head of State and a family who take part in these schemes is, to me, not conceivable in any Commonwealth country.


Title: Re: Is Harry pushed forward to replace William and Kate?
Post by: marion on March 27, 2016, 12:56:41 pm
Were the Commonwealth countries taken into account when Edward VII abdicated?


Title: Re: Is Harry pushed forward to replace William and Kate?
Post by: gingerboy24 on March 27, 2016, 01:43:36 pm
Sorry, but if HM wants bill medd and the sprogs removed it will be done, in whatever way is easiest and possible.  There are many Acts of Parliament she has been behind that were not made public, if she wants one pushed through, quietly behind the scenes, it will be done.  Nothing is impossible for her to do, nothing  -  she is a law unto herself, but we are not meant to know that.  There are ways of getting rid of the lamebridges from line of success, and they will have been well researched and looked into, and if a new Act of Parliament is requried it will be pushed through behind the scenes, end of.  She is no meek and mild old lady, not matter what she wants us to think.  What HM wants HM gets.  IMO it is not viable to keep them, the world knows the truth about them, the medds are detested intensely in the UK, the press would love to open the floodgates and release all the info they are sitting on.  It is my firm belief this pot will explode one day, if not with the authority of HM it will be exploded by someone else, too many know too much of the correct situation.


Title: Re: Is Harry pushed forward to replace William and Kate?
Post by: Ariel on March 27, 2016, 04:42:19 pm
i fail to see a loophole for this to be done. Kate has done a brilliant job in securing not one but two heirs to the heir of the heir. unless William is declared impotent and rf comes out with - but he loves children and loves his children so much... I don't see another way to remove all 3 heirs from the succession.

for now, what I think is happening is: Harry does his brother's job, because his brother is to lazy to work but kingly enough to get someone else to do his work while he enjoys his life, does what he wants and waits for the crown to fall onto his head...at age 60 or 70 when he will be too old to begin to work and all will be good. imo Harry is used by the firm and his own bro.


Title: Re: Is Harry pushed forward to replace William and Kate?
Post by: Kuei Fei on March 27, 2016, 04:51:10 pm
If the kids are not of the body, born via a surrogate, they are ineligible to inherit. As for Harry being used, I think the public might be groomed to view Harry as the successor and then have William step aside pleading for a normal life. Harry won't get married to someone nice if he is known to be picking up his brother's slack and that it would be expected for Harry's wife to do Kate's work. It would be grossly unfair and it would be impossible for Harry to even keep a wife; imagine being married to someone who apparently can't stand up to his lazy brother and SIL and is lumped with twice the amount of duties.


Title: Re: Is Harry pushed forward to replace William and Kate?
Post by: india on March 27, 2016, 05:08:11 pm
All of this could have been avoided if HM had put her foot down when Prince Punk told her he was going to marry The Potato Head. Now, because of The Viper and her plotting to protect her interest and her wrongly gained power HM has a fine kettle of fish to deal with. The Potato Head, The Viper and The Punk have a lot to answer for. This fact, in itself, shows that The Punk is unfit to rule.


Title: Re: Is Harry pushed forward to replace William and Kate?
Post by: YooperModerator on March 27, 2016, 05:14:58 pm
^Did PW tell anybody before he proposed to Kate?  I had the impression he just went ahead and did it and then there was nothing anyone could say about it.  It would've been a real mess if he'd backed out after the fact. 

Anyway, I don't know if Harry is tapped for at least consideration or not but I do see, based on what I've seen so far, that he is most definitely being given a lot more opportunity to grow, be involved, and, in doing so, seriously damages the image of PW/WK. There simply isn't any comparison.

Not sure how all the laws work on that but it would seem to be quite difficult for Harry to be King but it sure would be a rejuvenation of the monarchy because I truly believe that, after HM's passing, it's one big fat dud of a thing with little to no purpose and even less adoration and respect.


Title: Re: Is Harry pushed forward to replace William and Kate?
Post by: gingerboy24 on March 27, 2016, 06:06:01 pm
Unfortunately, as with many other high ranking people, HM can change laws, although they think the public are unaware.  I read, and silly me did not keep it, an article about how HM gets Acts of Parliament changed, Parliament do not argue, she asks for it to be passed/stamped, whatever, it is done, and most times the public are totally unaware as it is all behind the scenes.  A little different with this situation, but what I am saying is  -  it can be done, all done and dusted before the public find out and bill medd and his medd crew are sailing off into the sunset.  They could cite his reluctance to be king, cath medd had nervous breakdown, bill medd requested, and a law was passed, that he wanted the sprogs removed from succession  -  again an Act of Parliament to be passed.  Might sound far fetched, but HM can do it, no two ways about that.  I am sure they have to take their time about it, but I cannot see how the rf can allow this situation to continue ad inifinitum, it gets worse by the week at the moment.  I put nothing past HM, and she can, given time, get anything she wants done.  Might nound naive on my part, but I very much doubt that, for all we know moves could be afoot right now behind all those closed doors.  As they say, never say never, and in this could I definitely would not say never.


Title: Re: Is Harry pushed forward to replace William and Kate?
Post by: india on March 27, 2016, 06:20:48 pm
The only way for the monarchy to be saved is for William to be removed.


Title: Re: Is Harry pushed forward to replace William and Kate?
Post by: gingerboy24 on March 27, 2016, 06:33:24 pm
^Totally agree. Too much has gone on, in many ways and many areas, for a pr comeback, especially lunk head himself running the show, if what we are told is correct.


Title: Re: Is Harry pushed forward to replace William and Kate?
Post by: Kuei Fei on March 27, 2016, 06:42:31 pm
William is hopelessly lost and self destructing. Removing him would prevent him from taking the monarchy down with him and
would enable the BRF to get him the help he needs away from the public eye and his crazy wife. His wife is crashing too and taking him with her. For the sake of his sanity he needs to be removed and placed in a family situation where he's surrounded by love and domestic stability.

All of this could have been avoided if HM had put her foot down when Prince Punk told her he was going to marry The Potato Head. Now, because of The Viper and her plotting to protect her interest and her wrongly gained power HM has a fine kettle of fish to deal with. The Potato Head, The Viper and The Punk have a lot to answer for. This fact, in itself, shows that The Punk is unfit to rule.

I think HM was right to let the wedding go ahead; better than having William idealize Kate, have Kate be a ghostly presence in the marriage, and then have her get in-between him and a new wife and then have Kate messing with William and having the entire thing go up in flames, with the new Romance of the Century Part Deaux and have a nice girl's life in ruins while William and Kate ride off into the romantic sunset to press acclimation.

If/when the WK marriage goes up in flames, no one is caught in the crossfire and the only people who can be held to account is William himself. I don't believe that HM should have interfered and put a stop to it. She would have been blasted and that is the last thing HM needed at the time. Let William go down in history as who he is as a person and let some innocent have a good life. Better than ending up making a mess of someone else's life.


Title: Re: Is Harry pushed forward to replace William and Kate?
Post by: Ariel on March 27, 2016, 08:20:40 pm
if you think about it - one wrong choice of a wife is all it takes for an entire nation to not want you as their king. what if William divorced and took care of the legitimacy of the kids, and turned his life around. would people want him as a king again? it seems to me that it is unfair that so many people want to take away from William his birthright. I think that exactly because HM and Charles did not interfere the brf is in this situation right now. I think that William should be made to act like a grownup and take responsibility. and Harry should be left alone. he doesn't have to be a king candidate to do a great job with his charities and to truly care about his contribution to the world.


Title: Re: Is Harry pushed forward to replace William and Kate?
Post by: livylivy on March 27, 2016, 09:12:58 pm
IMO Harry deserves the throne much more than Will because he showed that he cares and Will proved not to care at all about his position. It' s not only his wife, Will could have worked much more regardless of her but it' s his demeanour, what he has never done. Then, sure, Harry will carry on even if he won' t be king, I agree. Yet will doesn' t deserve the throne to me


Title: Re: Is Harry pushed forward to replace William and Kate?
Post by: Liquorice on March 27, 2016, 09:30:22 pm
@gingerboy24 I doubt they be able to muzzle the medias if they carry the problem to the Parliament. Furthermore, will they be able to discreetly remove the children ?  Doubt it again.
Seeing the Easter pictures at the mass today, I have the impression that it was the rest of the BRF celebrating without the Cambridges. IMO something will be announced in this autumn.


Title: Re: Is Harry pushed forward to replace William and Kate?
Post by: Liquorice on March 27, 2016, 09:42:07 pm
would people want him as a king again? it seems to me that it is unfair that so many people want to take away from William his birthright.

I don't think people would want him a king because IMO he took part in this fraud. Indeed, as far as I know, he didn't rush up to HM to complain of his wife. He allowed Baby #2, that is Charlotte, to happen without appearing to deny her. And because of many other things which must have happened I am not aware of.


Title: Re: Is Harry pushed forward to replace William and Kate?
Post by: gingerboy24 on March 27, 2016, 10:11:06 pm
^and ^^  Sorry, have to agree to disagree on both comments.  HM can get anything done quietly and behind the scenes, and she has doen many times in the past, more than will ever be released.  As I said, have to agree to disagree on this one, we are at opposite ends and never the twain shall meet.


Title: Re: Is Harry pushed forward to replace William and Kate?
Post by: meememe on March 27, 2016, 10:45:34 pm
Were the Commonwealth countries taken into account when Edward VII abdicated?


They didn't need to be consulted although the dominions were told and agreed but ... they didn't need to do anything then.

The Statute of Westminster - agreed to in 1932 - gave the dominions equal status to the UK but none of the dominions had ratified it by 1936. They have all done so now, as have the newer realms since then. That is why the other realms have to pass any legislation now but didn't have to do so in 1936.

That would mean that the suitability of William would have to be debated publicly in the parliaments of the other realms and that isn't going to be happening. The Queen doesn't have the power in the other realms she has in the UK and she doesn't have much there anyway.


Title: Re: Is Harry pushed forward to replace William and Kate?
Post by: Kuei Fei on March 27, 2016, 11:57:33 pm
if you think about it - one wrong choice of a wife is all it takes for an entire nation to not want you as their king. what if William divorced and took care of the legitimacy of the kids, and turned his life around. would people want him as a king again? it seems to me that it is unfair that so many people want to take away from William his birthright. I think that exactly because HM and Charles did not interfere the brf is in this situation right now. I think that William should be made to act like a grownup and take responsibility. and Harry should be left alone. he doesn't have to be a king candidate to do a great job with his charities and to truly care about his contribution to the world.

I'm beginning to see why marriages between royals would be arranged; it's not just that she's the wrong wife, it's just that she brings nothing to the nation and has been doing nothing but causing trouble. As for being unfair, life isn't fair. William had EVERYTHING going for him and he threw it away. He basically could have done ANYTHING with his life and threw it all away. He could have conquered the world and could have done anything. His life has been more than fair. William is a decade behind his brother's progress and behind his father when his father was his age.


Title: Re: Is Harry pushed forward to replace William and Kate?
Post by: gingerboy24 on March 28, 2016, 09:32:49 am
I am sorry, but if bill medd had behaved sensibly, he would not even be jeopardising his birth right. As far as I am concerned, and many others, he has no respect for his birthright, he appears to want to take the monarchy down to meddleton level (lower sewer) and could care nothing about how or when it happens, or what he puts his family through.  He was born with a silver spoon in his mouth, set up for life, the most luxurious of lifetysles, best education and all he does is give them the two fingers and gives every impression that he dislikes intensely his own family and wants to do as much damage to them as possible.  Therefore, for me, let them remove it from him, he has no respect for it, why should he have it.  He will never be poor anyway, he will be taxpayer funded all his life, but in my eyes he has forfeited his birthright and it is his own fault.


Title: Re: Is Harry pushed forward to replace William and Kate?
Post by: Kuei Fei on April 07, 2016, 05:22:56 pm
Would we feel differently about the monarchy if Prince Harry was the heir?
http://www.celebitchy.com/479475/would_we_feel_differently_about_the_monarchy_if_prince_harry_was_the_heir/


Title: Re: Is Harry pushed forward to replace William and Kate?
Post by: YooperModerator on April 07, 2016, 06:05:54 pm
^Yes.  I know I would have a higher level of respect for the institution itself and its validity.  In my mind, they need to become much more hands-on and Harry's got that in spades.


Title: Re: Is Harry pushed forward to replace William and Kate?
Post by: livylivy on April 07, 2016, 08:34:05 pm
definitely Yes!
And he' s been quite busy lately, today another engagement!


Title: Re: Is Harry pushed forward to replace William and Kate?
Post by: Kuei Fei on May 04, 2016, 06:43:08 am
I think these Games have been a perfect way for Harry to meet and greet the various heads of state around the world and schmooze with them. It would be a perfect way  to promote Harry as well. Harry could be getting grooming via these games and travel and I wonder if there are confidential meetings.


Title: Re: Is Harry pushed forward to replace William and Kate?
Post by: Val on May 04, 2016, 06:48:52 am
We here in the UK would rejoice if the hopeless, hapless duo stepped down and Harry took over.
He would certainly extend the life of the Monarchy whereas Cath and Bill are killing it off almost daily.


Title: Re: Is Harry pushed forward to replace William and Kate?
Post by: observer on May 10, 2016, 05:29:11 pm
It's way more possible to make a six in the lottery than Harry will be next or overnext king. Even if William would resign, there are Charlotte and George already between him. And it's mere impossible that both would reject the throne!


Title: Re: Is Harry pushed forward to replace William and Kate?
Post by: Kuei Fei on May 10, 2016, 05:45:41 pm
Not if they're the product of a surrogacy.


Title: Re: Is Harry pushed forward to replace William and Kate?
Post by: Kuei Fei on May 10, 2016, 05:59:20 pm
I am SO SORRY for the double post!

What a Good King Henry Harry would make! (Sorry, William)
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3583260/PIERS-MORGAN-Good-King-Henry-Harry-make-Sorry-William.html#ixzz48Gzda3oY


Title: Re: Is Harry pushed forward to replace William and Kate?
Post by: gingerboy24 on May 10, 2016, 06:08:42 pm
^^Yes, that is the legality of that kind of situation, the mere fact of surrogacy would render them ineligible to inherit the British throne, as would a non bio windsor mix, if that was ever a situation.  A legitmate heir to the British throne has to be conceived, carried and delivered by the legal wife of the male heir and be of their biological mix.  Now if eldest a female heir then it would be she also who had to conceive, carry, deliver and have bio mix of her and her husband.  Also, they could override the two sprogs anyway if they so wished as an Act of Parliament can be made to remove them if required.  Possibly difficult but can well be done. We are talking the rf here, they can make anything happen.  Many Acts of Parliament have been passed, quietly and without public knowledge until recent years, at the request of HM. Who is going to refuse her if the reasons are valid, or even if they aren´t.  Dread to think what else they have had passed without the public ever knowing about.  If HM wants it done, rest assured it will be done, she has Parliament and Government behind her, and all can be hushed up, as many things have been over the years.  The rf don´t need a six in the lottery to make things happen, they have all the powers behind them to do their bidding, they will not be refused.  Nothing, absolutely nothing, is impossible for the rf. Whet they want they get, end of.

If they want to push forward a King Harry, then so it shall be.  He has proved time and again that out of the two of them he is the man for the job.  All bill medd does is prove to us that he is not fit for the job, never has been and doubt ever will be.  King Harry has the Diana "it" factor, bill medd does not.  He has his the warmth, personality, interest in people and helping them, that his mother had.  Bill medd appears to resent anything to do with the rf, engagements, etc.  All an inconvenience to him.  He always looks uncomfortable and awkward and not a clue what to say.

Cue King Harry, everything the bill medd is not, just what the rf need.


Title: Re: Is Harry pushed forward to replace William and Kate?
Post by: marion on May 10, 2016, 06:10:51 pm
^Amen to that sentiment - except for the "Sorry William"


Title: Re: Is Harry pushed forward to replace William and Kate?
Post by: Fredericka on May 10, 2016, 07:39:30 pm
I think it would be a very good move for the Royal Family to ditch William in favour of Harry for King ... it would certainly go a long way towards bringing them back into the good books with the public.

Harry is a lot more genuine than William; he seems to really want to do good; and he's definitely someone who builds very strong relationships with what seems like everyone from all walks of life.  He's also very different to William in that he gets into stuff at the public level ... i.e., here in New Zealand on his most recent visit (which wasn't a huge huha like his brother's tour before him), he did lots of sporting stuff with locals, and mixed with heaps of people, genuinely interested in their lives and backgrounds and just coming across as a straight-up good guy.  William, on the other hand, was very 'off limits' - he seemed to have an invisible wall around him at all times and doesn't come across as sincere or interested.  He could have done so much more to help the victims of the Christchurch earthquake but all he really did was make a speech in a park.  :wopedo:

Harry is, in my opinion, far from perfect - but he's matured with age and I think as his fellow cobbers have settled down his party antics have eased off.

I'm pleased that he didn't settle down with Chelsy when they were serious, because I don't think he would have gone on to do the great things he has done of late ... he could easily have taken a different, more self-serving, route.

It would be such good drama if William were to throw in the towel (which I sort of have a hunch might happen ... he seems angry and impulsive and the sort to tell them to 'shove it'), paving the way for Harry to take his place.

Even more interesting would be if Charles decided he didn't want the role of King, meaning Harry took over the role as soon as the Queen stepped down (or passed).  That would be veeeeery popcorn-worthy indeed.  I could see the Middledooms planting a heck of a lot of 'articles' in newspapers seeking revenge, plus I don't think Kate would ever bounce back from her missed opportunity.

Interesting times lie ahead, I feel!


Title: Re: Is Harry pushed forward to replace William and Kate?
Post by: livylivy on May 10, 2016, 07:45:49 pm
Well said!!!  :thumbsup: Nice article, I agree! Will doesn' t deserve the throne and I think, since his kids are being raised with this alure of kake normality and need for privacy, they won' t be good king/queen because Will and Kate aren' t setting the good example at all ( then, who knows, maybe Charlotte and George will become hard working and charming but their parents aren' t setting the example at all).
What I disagree is only that King Harry can' t take No for answer, especially from the Queen, I guess he took a few, for example inAfghanistan. Instead I think that the queen wanted to show publically her approval for Harry' s  work .

Finally such an article!!!  :loveshower: Now I' m expecting a kind of response from Will and Kate' PR, I mean, they' ll thow Harry under the bus again. Or they will release some pics of George and Charlotte.


Title: Re: Is Harry pushed forward to replace William and Kate?
Post by: Kuei Fei on May 11, 2016, 07:14:20 am
William has complained so much about:

Royal Duties/Appearances
Court Ceremonial
His addiction to privacy and leading a life where he isn't accountable to anyone/anything
Spending time with his family

I'm amazed HM hasn't at this point told him that since he hates it so much, why does he stick around?

Harry doesn't act like he's about deferring to HM's authority, respecting his father, valuing his family, and frankly shows he likes being around people.


Title: Re: Is Harry pushed forward to replace William and Kate?
Post by: Val on May 11, 2016, 07:30:53 am
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3583260/PIERS-MORGAN-Good-King-Henry-Harry-make-Sorry-William.html

Reflects the feelings of most


Title: Re: Is Harry pushed forward to replace William and Kate?
Post by: kolkomilko on May 11, 2016, 09:36:17 am
^^Yes, that is the legality of that kind of situation, the mere fact of surrogacy would render them ineligible to inherit the British throne, as would a non bio windsor mix, if that was ever a situation.  A legitmate heir to the British throne has to be conceived, carried and delivered by the legal wife of the male heir and be of their biological mix.  Now if eldest a female heir then it would be she also who had to conceive, carry, deliver and have bio mix of her and her husband.  Also, they could override the two sprogs anyway if they so wished as an Act of Parliament can be made to remove them if required.  Possibly difficult but can well be done. We are talking the rf here, they can make anything happen.  Many Acts of Parliament have been passed, quietly and without public knowledge until recent years, at the request of HM. Who is going to refuse her if the reasons are valid, or even if they aren´t.  Dread to think what else they have had passed without the public ever knowing about.  If HM wants it done, rest assured it will be done, she has Parliament and Government behind her, and all can be hushed up, as many things have been over the years.  The rf don´t need a six in the lottery to make things happen, they have all the powers behind them to do their bidding, they will not be refused.  Nothing, absolutely nothing, is impossible for the rf. Whet they want they get, end of.

If they want to push forward a King Harry, then so it shall be.  He has proved time and again that out of the two of them he is the man for the job.  All bill medd does is prove to us that he is not fit for the job, never has been and doubt ever will be.  King Harry has the Diana "it" factor, bill medd does not.  He has his the warmth, personality, interest in people and helping them, that his mother had.  Bill medd appears to resent anything to do with the rf, engagements, etc.  All an inconvenience to him.  He always looks uncomfortable and awkward and not a clue what to say.

Cue King Harry, everything the bill medd is not, just what the rf need.

Exactly, I can do agree with you and everyone who think that Rf should push forward Harry and Willy is not fit for this job at all.  :thumbsup:


Title: Re: Is Harry pushed forward to replace William and Kate?
Post by: Val on May 11, 2016, 11:03:33 am
^

Cameron is a brown noser and would do anything to keep in with QE.  He is fully aware of the above situation too.


Title: Re: Is Harry pushed forward to replace William and Kate?
Post by: kolkomilko on May 11, 2016, 12:42:37 pm
^ Yes, you are right but if an avalanche starts rolling....Let's hope.  :flower:


Title: Re: Is Harry pushed forward to replace William and Kate?
Post by: Kuei Fei on May 11, 2016, 09:32:02 pm
If Harry were to replace William, I am certain that what might be required is that Harry submit to an arranged marriage.

Now, before I get flamed, lets be realistic; a marriage for 'love' doesn't always work out to the benefit of the BRF/nation. As evidenced by Mette-Marit and Kate and even Sophie, the love these princes have for these women is not about taking anyone but themselves into consideration. Haakon threw a snotty tempter tantrum and basically threatened to upend the succession and traumatize his family for the sake of Mette-Marit and now MM has repaid him by being a jet setting snob who splashes out on couture and designer gear and ignores her responsibilities and is selective about the appearances she does. These consorts don't work at bringing in trade deals, they don't work at schmoozing to improve the prestige of their nations and they don't have clean pasts.

Kate, nothing need be said about her past
Sophie, topless photos posted at her workplace
Mette-Marit, former drug addict, reality show participant, uneducated, etc.

I don't think HM/courtiers will leave Harry's marital choices to chance and frankly the BRF is in need of powerful connections.


Title: Re: Is Harry pushed forward to replace William and Kate?
Post by: livylivy on May 11, 2016, 09:42:30 pm
It would make sense  :thumbsup: , but I doubt Harry will marry a girl he doesn' t love, yet Ihe said her gf will need to be fit for the role. I think he understands the weight of his role he' ll never marry a bimbo but I' m pretty sure he won' t marry somebody he doesn' t love either. Maybe that' s why he' s still single/unmarried .

I think an intelligent hard working woman supporting him and understanding the gravitas of his position would be fine


Title: Re: Is Harry pushed forward to replace William and Kate?
Post by: Ariel on May 11, 2016, 10:12:18 pm
I'm with Kate on this. He may be thinking that he'll marry for love but as time flies he'll end up with marriage for convenience. I don't think love would be enough for him. The candidate for his heart should need to be a princess material and able to deal with and fit in to his family, have celebrity and work ethic qualities like his mom.. kind of impossible standards to meet :sigh: so, now he might be thinking that he has time, that he'll find the one but as he grows older he'll start seeing thing more practically.


Title: Re: Is Harry pushed forward to replace William and Kate?
Post by: Kuei Fei on May 11, 2016, 10:24:08 pm
I sometimes think Harry covets the position that his brother has now and I believe there won't be too many obstacles in his path.



Title: Re: Is Harry pushed forward to replace William and Kate?
Post by: livylivy on May 11, 2016, 10:44:34 pm
I agree Kuei. I didn' t mean what you said made no sense, it does, a lot  :thumbsup: but I think Harry puts passion in whatever he does, so I find it hard that he marries for convenience. Maybe if at 50 he didn' t find anyone. I' m sure he' ll marry a smart woman, he' s quite intelligent in my opinion, a woman with charisma. This is only speculation though. The point is that I don' t want Harry to marry for convenience and not for love like you nasty girls do  :cry: :cry: :cry: :tired:

I' m joking  :flower:


Title: Re: Is Harry pushed forward to replace William and Kate?
Post by: Kuei Fei on May 15, 2016, 04:38:41 am
I think Harry is being discreetly groomed and protected more by the palace, now that William has proven to be a waste of their efforts. Notice how the DM covered his Games exhaustively and then there was that Piers Morgan article supporting Harry for King. Then HM did that commercial. I do think Harry will be doing meatier projects instead of just appearances and I believe Harry will continue to stand closest to HM on the balcony.


Title: Re: Is Harry pushed forward to replace William and Kate?
Post by: i used to be a monarchist on May 15, 2016, 06:25:28 am
Perhaps if Harry took over managing The Prince's Trust he could extricate himself from being forced to do appearances with those two fools.  Their proximity taints him.  He's so far ahead of them with regard to honourable intent to help others.  He's not in it for strategic PR or for the adulation, unlike PW and KM.

Whose idea was it to lump Harry in with the Cambridges' PR office?  He needs to join forces with his father.  Prince Charles could teach him much about The Prince's Trust and they'd make each other look even better.

Let Mrs. Middleton and her minions, PW and KM, to self-combust in another location.  That way, PH comes out of  it with his reputation untarnished.


Title: Re: Is Harry pushed forward to replace William and Kate?
Post by: windsor2 on May 15, 2016, 06:36:56 am
It's odd that his press seems more cohesive than Wills and Waity that I'm wondering if he's working with Charle's staff or even HM's.
He really need to get off the Foundation that lumps him with Wills and Waity. That's why he does the the joint appearnces with them in aide of the foundation. '
Harry has Sentable and Invictus Games that he puts his heart and soul into that he shouldn't take over the Prince's Trust, imo.


Title: Re: Is Harry pushed forward to replace William and Kate?
Post by: Kuei Fei on May 15, 2016, 07:06:35 am
It could be that Harry is being moved into HM's and Charles' spheres and he's getting more organized protection while WK are being left out on a limb. I don't think HM cares about her first grandson anymore and I don't think Charles wants to bother trying to save that ingrate William.


Title: Re: Is Harry pushed forward to replace William and Kate?
Post by: marion on May 15, 2016, 07:16:22 am
That would make sense and I also agree theses games were the making of Harry. He is the only one who can bring back the popularity of the monarchy and I'm sure the RF realise that too.


Title: Re: Is Harry pushed forward to replace William and Kate?
Post by: Ariel on May 15, 2016, 05:12:53 pm
The point is that I don' t want Harry to marry for convenience and not for love like you nasty girls do  :cry: :cry: :cry: :tired:

I' m joking  :flower:

let me put it simply. we, the common folks, are free from public scrutiny and we do not represent anything... neither country, nor a monarchy, nor a crown. depending on the level of independence we have (and I personally do not report to anyone), we can be with whoever we want, whenever we want for as long as we want without giving any explanations or needing any approval. so, yeah, Harry is a high profile public persona and will end up with a high profile match. i have no doubt about it.


Title: Re: Is Harry pushed forward to replace William and Kate?
Post by: livylivy on May 15, 2016, 09:28:47 pm
i agree with you about this point ! <Fingers crossed!!


Title: Re: Is Harry pushed forward to replace William and Kate?
Post by: windsor2 on May 16, 2016, 12:00:25 am
He said at the IG that he view himself as Captain Wales first and prince Harry second, so as long as she loves the man, Captain Wales, more than Prince Harry then she'll be alright. She doesn't have to be high profile but be a decent person who gets the press interest. She doesn't have to like it but get why it's done. Michelle Obama has said that she's not thrilled with being first lady because of the heavy scrutiny and lack of total freedom to do her own thing but she agreed for Barack to run for president because she loves him and knew that she shouldn't stand in his way.


Title: Re: Is Harry pushed forward to replace William and Kate?
Post by: Kuei Fei on May 16, 2016, 03:49:06 am
I think the BRF has given up on WK and have decided to cut William loose and basically back Harry; I don't believe that the BRF believes in William anymore and I don't think they want William as their King and would sooner rebel than have Kate as Queen Consort. William might remain family, but he will likely be passed by as King.


Title: Re: Is Harry pushed forward to replace William and Kate?
Post by: HRH Tiana of NOLA on May 16, 2016, 04:06:59 am
The response to Invictus truly highlights how much folks have connected with Harry and disconnected with the person who is in line to be the future king. What we've witnessed over the last week, for me at least, has only magnified how much vision and passion William lacks. How can one lead without those two things?


Title: Re: Is Harry pushed forward to replace William and Kate?
Post by: windsor2 on May 16, 2016, 04:20:10 am
So true. Harry's a leader and a doer, whereas Wills dithers. I think that Wills will begin to mrss with Harry's success because he sees that he's not getting the respect that he feels he should get as future king. I really don't think that he sees what a mess he's made of his life and what he married. Harry will always be his little dumb brother that he feels the right to make fun of. When Harry was pleading for people to get help during his speach at the IG, the passion that he showed felt very personal, as if it was directing his plea at Wills and Wills alone. 



Title: Re: Is Harry pushed forward to replace William and Kate?
Post by: Kuei Fei on May 16, 2016, 07:58:17 am
This is the kind of thing that WK would be able to do if both had gotten a full schedule of appearances under their belt and if they worked. I do think HM will do the previously unthinkable and push Harry forward as candidate to replace William. He just needs the right marriage.


Title: Re: Is Harry pushed forward to replace William and Kate?
Post by: Ariel on May 16, 2016, 09:38:10 am
you can tell that their hearts are not in it so even with full schedule they'll not get much attention.
also - let's not forget that all this positive media could be because he is single and the palace wants him to succeed in finding love and that's why they keep boosting his image and creating the prince charming from the fairy tale who slays dragons (apache pilot), fights for the people (invictus), loves children and helps the poor and the needy ( sentebale).


Title: Re: Is Harry pushed forward to replace William and Kate?
Post by: windsor2 on May 16, 2016, 08:54:09 pm
Great post Ariel.   :thumbsup:
During his IG speaches, he admitted that he has issues with PTSD and told his fellow soldiers that he received help to cope with it. He also said that he views himself as Captain Wales first and foremost. I think that he'd go truly mental if he's forced to marry someone because it'd be considered a good match. Coping with knowing that you've killed people and dealing with the things that people see at war isn't something easy to deal with and that's why he's so passionate about getting his fellow soldiers help in dealing with their physical and invisible wounds, especially as they're not as privileged as he is. One thing I do know for certain is that he'll not chose someone like Waity. She'll be someone who he can introduce to the queen who he has tremendous respect for. It's adorable when he keeps saying that she's his boss.
I've read that he had to leave active service to pick up the slack for Wills as he wanted to join us air ambulance. As much as Harry loved being in the military and gave him structure, that's pretty messed up.



Title: Re: Is Harry pushed forward to replace William and Kate?
Post by: HRH Tiana of NOLA on May 16, 2016, 09:22:10 pm
^^If it were just coming from the palace, I would agree but that's the sentiment from everywhere. If what Harry is selling wasn't authentic, we'd be able to see through the drivel, much like we're able to do with the fairytale crap they try to force down our throats with W&K.


Title: Re: Is Harry pushed forward to replace William and Kate?
Post by: windsor2 on May 16, 2016, 09:39:17 pm
^ so very true! He doesn't bs like a Wills does. He puts his heart and soul into what he's doing again unlike Wills does. So true that he's on faker. He doesn't live in fairy tail land like his brother does; creating a fake image that he thinks the public want to see.


Title: Re: Is Harry pushed forward to replace William and Kate?
Post by: Little light on May 16, 2016, 11:01:15 pm
And that's why he's a far better catch than Wills. Because he uses his position to help others less fortunate.

And this is also the reason he would make, and is, a far better leader than William. Harry's thoughts and actions are now directed towards others, whilst Wiliam has not matured emotionally as fast as Harry. (And I don't think William will grow whilst he is still with KM, IMO).


Title: Re: Is Harry pushed forward to replace William and Kate?
Post by: HRHOlya on May 17, 2016, 12:42:08 am
I firmly believe that Harry is being primed for the top job. But we should not forget that TPTB have about 100 plans set, in case something goes afoot, and currently the crotchbridges are I think being pushed aside. Their image is irreparable. The only thing that could help their image is if they finally behaved properly for their position and trotted the kids out and themselves, ie worked for once. And then still it would take a couple of years just to get people's scepticism off, never mind actually repair the image, that would take another couple of years. They would have to behave like royals and do what they run away screaming from. Just remember how long and painstaking it was to get Camilla into the fold. So anyway, yes I do think that Harry (and the public!) is being prepared, which does not mean that it will happen. I am one of those who think that it will all go to shyte once the Queen goes (though Charles will have it hard -bc of Camz again- but will be largely accepted, he's quite old anyway) and that the monarchy will not live past Charles. Should it survive I doubt that the Crotchbridges will be on the throne. They are just too stupid and condescending in their behaviour, nevermind all else that is discussed here which garantuees them being booted.
But it will also depend largely on whom Harry marries. Another workshy, condescending idiot and they are toast. KF (and others, sorry I read your posts a little while ago and can't reference everyone right now plus I'm getting used to the forum!) says it is also a campaign to find PH a wife and to a point I agree (the slaying dragons comparison was great!), but at the same time I don't think they are too much in a rush to get him married and they shouldn't be. He is right now PR wise worth gold and he is a man so his bio clock is not that pressing, look at Albert and the possible danger of Monaco being 'lost' to France if no heir appeared and he got married very late. If they rush him it can only end very badly and they cannot afford that at this point. He is so very successful, they should let him be for now.
And I think those aristo girls are overestimated by many here. It is not necessarily that they don't want to be part of the Windsors and the scrutiny (many of them lap up all the publicity they can get), I am convinced that many eligible girls (for PH) are totally unsuitable. Instagram makes it easy to see... I follow a good number of them and their lifestyle, air head qualities, borderline scandalous pics etc etc put them firmly out of the running. It is more than "breeding" these days. Having your life on the internet bare guarantees you closed (or open...) doors in some instances.. Also, so far the Windsor Ugly Stick seems to eave him alone, but then Albert is no oil painting either  :dontknow:


Title: Re: Is Harry pushed forward to replace William and Kate?
Post by: windsor2 on May 17, 2016, 01:56:42 am
 :welcome1:   HRHOlya.
Excellent points on one plan of many is to groom Harry and to leave him alone regarding rushing marriage and the vapid posh girls.


Title: Re: Is Harry pushed forward to replace William and Kate?
Post by: Kuei Fei on May 17, 2016, 11:33:40 pm
I give it a few years, maybe five and Harry will be ready to take over from William. They're priming him right now and I think the Invictus Games are a way for Harry to quietly meet heads of state on the sly and discuss a possible removal of William from the succession and discuss how that would be received. Removing William would be no small thing and I think in say, five years the public will literally DEMAND that William be removed.

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But it will also depend largely on whom Harry marries. Another workshy, condescending idiot and they are toast. KF (and others, sorry I read your posts a little while ago and can't reference everyone right now plus I'm getting used to the forum!) says it is also a campaign to find PH a wife and to a point I agree (the slaying dragons comparison was great!), but at the same time I don't think they are too much in a rush to get him married and they shouldn't be. He is right now PR wise worth gold and he is a man so his bio clock is not that pressing, look at Albert and the possible danger of Monaco being 'lost' to France if no heir appeared and he got married very late. If they rush him it can only end very badly and they cannot afford that at this point. He is so very successful, they should let him be for now.

I don't think they would rush something, but I think if they found someone who would be perfect, they would likely pounce the minute they get the chance. I don't believe the BRF is going to sit idle and not start marketing Harry as ideal husband material and I think Harry is going along just fine. I do believe that in order to market the right persona to remove William they would need the right wife. Like it or not, the right wife makes a difference.


Title: Re: Is Harry pushed forward to replace William and Kate?
Post by: india on May 18, 2016, 12:21:49 am
Absolutely, a right wife can make a difference. The Obscenity known as Kate The Ultimate Loser has pulled The Super Dork down to the bottom of the sewer to Lower Middletrash Level. He is so beyond low he doesn't even realize that he has been totally ruined. Big Time.


Title: Re: Is Harry pushed forward to replace William and Kate?
Post by: Kuei Fei on May 18, 2016, 01:22:41 am
I think Harry might go for a foreign wife and have some kind of strategic alliance, both diplomatic and PR. I still say he wants a prominent wife and I believe there isn't much of a chance of him being able to leverage William out without powerful allies.


Title: Re: Is Harry pushed forward to replace William and Kate?
Post by: windsor2 on May 18, 2016, 03:47:18 am
I don't think it'll be that easy. Harry's 5th in line to the throne by all accounts. Who is he going to go in alliance with? He also said himself that he views himself as Captain Wales first than royalty. I just don't see him marrying someone to then force Wills out. He actually loves the fool as it's his only brother.


Title: Re: Is Harry pushed forward to replace William and Kate?
Post by: Kuei Fei on May 18, 2016, 04:30:39 am
He loves his brother, but realistically, I think he would like to take charge. If the two kids are revealed to be the product of a surrogate, then he will be pushed forward. As for an alliance, there are a lot of powerful families that would likely easily put Harry in a position of leverage.


Title: Re: Is Harry pushed forward to replace William and Kate?
Post by: kolkomilko on May 18, 2016, 07:58:52 am
^ Yes, I agree.


Title: Re: Is Harry pushed forward to replace William and Kate?
Post by: Val on May 18, 2016, 10:52:38 am
Lots of comments of 'Harry for King' in the DM today.


Title: Re: Is Harry pushed forward to replace William and Kate?
Post by: livylivy on May 18, 2016, 11:02:50 am
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I think Harry might go for a foreign wife and have some kind of strategic alliance, both diplomatic and PR. I still say he wants a prominent wife and I believe there isn't much of a chance of him being able to leverage William out without powerful allies.
Do you mean somebody for example from the emirates?
That would be a good alliance IMO


Title: Re: Is Harry pushed forward to replace William and Kate?
Post by: windsor2 on May 18, 2016, 11:48:27 am
Oh, God no. I think on paper yes, but in reality, NO. I can't imagine he'll be able to get I. With his charities and deal with the regular folks because he'll be too busy dealing with her airs and shipping up a storm. I imagine she'll be like that coming from a rich Emeretes family.
I have to find the article again wher Harry said that there was a lot of pressure for him go marry, so it looks like they!'be been trying to get him married off perhaps to a lady from that region. It wouldn't surprise me that's why he didn't kick CB off to the side when she played all of her press games.; he didn't mind bet doing that because having people believe that she's his gf got family and others off his back to be matched with someone. We've seen he!'a not very good at pretending to be happy, so an arranged marriage with any one would be a complete disaster and counteract the effect he has with the people. 


Title: Re: Is Harry pushed forward to replace William and Kate?
Post by: HRHOlya on May 18, 2016, 12:59:55 pm
I give it a few years, maybe five and Harry will be ready to take over from William. They're priming him right now and I think the Invictus Games are a way for Harry to quietly meet heads of state on the sly and discuss a possible removal of William from the succession and discuss how that would be received. Removing William would be no small thing and I think in say, five years the public will literally DEMAND that William be removed.

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But it will also depend largely on whom Harry marries. Another workshy, condescending idiot and they are toast. KF (and others, sorry I read your posts a little while ago and can't reference everyone right now plus I'm getting used to the forum!) says it is also a campaign to find PH a wife and to a point I agree (the slaying dragons comparison was great!), but at the same time I don't think they are too much in a rush to get him married and they shouldn't be. He is right now PR wise worth gold and he is a man so his bio clock is not that pressing, look at Albert and the possible danger of Monaco being 'lost' to France if no heir appeared and he got married very late. If they rush him it can only end very badly and they cannot afford that at this point. He is so very successful, they should let him be for now.

I don't think they would rush something, but I think if they found someone who would be perfect, they would likely pounce the minute they get the chance. I don't believe the BRF is going to sit idle and not start marketing Harry as ideal husband material and I think Harry is going along just fine. I do believe that in order to market the right persona to remove William they would need the right wife. Like it or not, the right wife makes a difference.

Very true, I agree!

I don't think that he needs any foreign alliance. First of all the emirates is not exactly the ideal place right now, I'm sorry, I don't want to offend anyone here, but the climate does not exactly permit a wife from the middle east. They were frothing back in the day when Diana ran around with Dodi et al, so no that is a highly unlikely scenario.
Yes, Harry is only the 5th in line, but realistically who's in front of him? His father who'll get his time on the throne anyway, and then useless Bill and his two sprogs. Not too hard to get rid off. I read once that it is enough for Bill to remove himself and that the kids would be automatically removed as well. I don't know if that is true or not (as in not abdicating but renouncing his right and his kids would go as well bc they are underage). The kind of alliance that Harry needs is what he would have anyway: the aristos and TPTB. Remember the recent news that there were even plans for Margaret to take over? Way back in the day? That's what can be taken as proof that TPTB definitely have plans for Harry and seeing how things are going it is certain. He may see himself as Capt W first and foremost, but his sense of duty would lead him to step up and he can't go around anyway and say "oh yes I am royalty, pip pip!" The aristos are nervous anyway bc of Bill, if the monarchy goes they go. I must go now but I hope you get what I'm saying!


Title: Re: Is Harry pushed forward to replace William and Kate?
Post by: meememe on May 18, 2016, 01:30:41 pm
William can't just 'renounce' the throne. He has to ask the British parliament and those of the other realms to pass the necessary legislation. With living children they won't automatically remove them but wait until they are 18 and ask themselves for new legislation to be passed.

If he was going to renounce his position he could convert to Roman Catholicism but that would only move George into the position as Charles' heir as George can't be removed until he himself takes an active decision to do so.

Realistically William isn't going to remove himself and Harry knows that his role is to support his monarch - grandmother, father, brother and eventually nephew.

If the stories I have read are true then the Queen won't give consent to a marriage for Harry until he has been with  girlfriend for at least 7 years (have read that over and over again in the last two decades - she implemented that rule after the disasters of her sister's and her children's marriages.)  I have also heard that she has put a ban on any more divorces so the Duke and Duchess of Kent, Anne and Tim and Sarah Chatto and her husband remain married even though they have had difficult times. Sarah and her husband, from all accounts live totally separate lives while the other two couples have actually come to a better place since the days when they talked about divorces.


Title: Re: Is Harry pushed forward to replace William and Kate?
Post by: gingerboy24 on May 18, 2016, 01:33:38 pm
I am not 100% sure, but I think HM (or chucky) would have to create an Act of Parliament to remove dork bill  medd and the sprogs from line of succession.  It can be done, and HM has, in the past, created Acts of Parliament and had them quietly passed through Parliament  -  let us face it, who is going to deny her having an Act àssed , and in truth I believe many of them know the score and how the medds are dragging the monarchy down to the sewers in Australia these days, therefore if that is what is required it will happen, end of. HM must know that dork bill medd in no way, shape or form is fit for job,  maybe we should call him Prince Masturbation, what a lovely connection for the rf.  He inherits by birth, but if he is not fit for the job then he has to go  -  TPTB and higher, if necessary, will see to that.  It can be done, and will be done, to remove dork bill medd and the sprogs if it is necessary and there is legal just cause, which there is in this case, very much so.  There are powers higher than QEII, and it is rumoured that they are not happy at all about dork bill medd and his shenanigans.


Title: Re: Is Harry pushed forward to replace William and Kate?
Post by: india on May 18, 2016, 02:27:09 pm
Good Post GB. The Dork and The Obscenity need to go pronto. Along with their so called children.


Title: Re: Is Harry pushed forward to replace William and Kate?
Post by: livylivy on May 18, 2016, 03:14:59 pm
 :goodpost: GB!

I also think that 7 yeas of engagement is too long, Harry should find a very young girl, an early 20 girl who is 10 years older than him, so the gap of age would be big. I think that a 20 something woman or a woman as old as him wouldn' t wait 7 years to get married and eventually have kids, maybe after 8/ 9 years she met him, nearly a decade.
Moreover, the woman who waited nearly a decade, Waity, to marry Prince of Masturbation  :tehe: has turned up to be a total embarrassment, so waiting so long doesn' t mean being fit for the role, maybe it would test the strenght of the relation, but I know couples who' ve been together for 10/15 years who splitted just because they didn' love each others any more, even if their love had been strong.



Title: Re: Is Harry pushed forward to replace William and Kate?
Post by: HRHOlya on May 18, 2016, 03:51:05 pm
^^^ I agree GB! I think we're all here for the most part thinking the same.. Largely I don't think that anything will happen whilst the queen is alive anyway. She supposedly wants to go on a high note and therefore we shouldn't bet on divorces etc, that's likely going to happen once Charles is in power. But what if she lives for instance 10 more years? The farce can't go on for that long...
 I doubt the seven years rule, only ever read that on here. That's far too long, even the most saintly patient woman (and man) wouldn't wait that long and some people can't wait that long, bc of you know the clock ticking and all that... And then you invest all those years and it all goes to shyte, that's even worse. Bill Medd is the best example of why "dating" for so long isn't always the best idea. Get on with it or get off it, really. Say, a two year rule or even three seem far more realistic and doable. And that's somewhat the regular time for most people anyway, if we go by some "norm", whatever that may be.
From what I gather everyone seems to be nervous bc of Bill the Daft, so it's going to be very interesting to see where it all goes in due time. We are theorising and wrecking our heads over all the possibilites but TPTB and queenie and Charlie know exactly what is to be done when it is needed. If someone (an heir) is too great a liability to the establishment, the heir will go, it's that simple. As in "how", they will see to that, no worries. The establishment and the institution is above all else, they know how to and will protect themselves, all else is collateral damage. They can make it look to be very amicable and friendly, but royal watchers will know better if not the whole public (say Billy resigns in whatever fashion and takes his sprogs with him).


Title: Re: Is Harry pushed forward to replace William and Kate?
Post by: Little light on May 18, 2016, 06:21:32 pm
No. She would have to be a Christian, but not RC.

I'd like to see him with someone from a prominent American family, eg an Astor, a Roosevelt, etc. Someone of that standing in US society.



Title: Re: Is Harry pushed forward to replace William and Kate?
Post by: Ariel on May 18, 2016, 09:06:10 pm
which circles us back to what I said a few pages ago: Harry is a high profile public persona and would most likely end up with a good match; not just anybody but a woman who is connected, of good family and high social status. there will be no "Cinderella meets the prince" 2.0 as 1.0 (Kate) turned out to be a disaster.


Title: Re: Is Harry pushed forward to replace William and Kate?
Post by: HRH Tiana of NOLA on May 18, 2016, 09:33:26 pm
If she ends up being American, People Magazine at least will definitely try spinning the Cinderella thing again.


Title: Re: Is Harry pushed forward to replace William and Kate?
Post by: Val on May 18, 2016, 10:32:58 pm
^^

Cath would have a meltdown


Title: Re: Is Harry pushed forward to replace William and Kate?
Post by: Kuei Fei on May 18, 2016, 10:44:53 pm
I think Harry will want to take over; I think he's more ambitious than he lets on and I believe he would LOVE how the press would kiss up to him.


Title: Re: Is Harry pushed forward to replace William and Kate?
Post by: india on May 18, 2016, 10:47:20 pm
Particularly since he has been shat upon for years to cover for his shyte of a brother.


Title: Re: Is Harry pushed forward to replace William and Kate?
Post by: Joanna on May 19, 2016, 04:01:26 pm
It would be awesome and well-deserved.
Cinderella 2.0 failed big time, Cath would have a meltdown if her sister in-law and her brother in-law were loved by the both the people and the press.


Title: Re: Is Harry pushed forward to replace William and Kate?
Post by: india on May 19, 2016, 07:06:55 pm
Who cares what that Obscenity thinks.


Title: Re: Is Harry pushed forward to replace William and Kate?
Post by: Val on May 19, 2016, 07:41:20 pm
Sarah's take

http://www.bayoubuzz.com/bb/item/1061723-prince-harry-favored-over-kate-middleton-s-william-for-kingship


Title: Re: Is Harry pushed forward to replace William and Kate?
Post by: Kuei Fei on May 19, 2016, 08:19:57 pm
Signs:

*HM has Harry standing next to her on the balcony
*Harry is now openly meeting/greeting heads of state on his own
*Harry is marketed worldwide via his Invictus Games
*The DM has covered the Games exhaustively and glowingly
*Piers Morgan openly called for King Harry
*Official recognition from the Palace for Invictus
*HM participated in a skit with Prince Harry (never did that before)


Title: Re: Is Harry pushed forward to replace William and Kate?
Post by: meememe on May 19, 2016, 09:59:03 pm
All royal meet heads of state on their own - hardly a sign of being brought forward. Even Princess Alexandra - the lowest ranked HRH has meet many Heads of State on her own and no one would ever suggest that she was brought forward.

Harry has been next to the Queen on the balcony - when exactly. Last year he was behind her - a position that shows he is in the main line but not the main person - James was at the front and next to The Queen between The Queen and Philip. On the other side of the Queen was Charles with William and George half-way between them. Harry was further in behind.

All royals get associated with a major charity type event or organisation e.g. Anne with Save the Children

Calls for a 'preferred' successor mean nothing as there is a clear line of succession. The most recent polls in the UK and Australia still have William preferred over Charles as the next monarch. If the calls for a 'preferred' successor were in any way relevant Charles would have been pushed out nearly 20 years ago.

A note to GB - it isn't only one parliament that has to pass the legislation as it has to pass all the relevant other realms as well - and no the Queen hasn't had 'secret' legislation passed. All legislation has to pass both houses of parliament and then go to the Queen in Council for the Royal Assent and even then isn't law until it is gazetted so if it hasn't been listed in the official gazette as having passed the correct procedures then it isn't law. The Queen may ask for a piece of legislation but it still has to go through the normal procedures including public debates in both houses of parliament.


Title: Re: Is Harry pushed forward to replace William and Kate?
Post by: marion on May 19, 2016, 10:09:08 pm
Keep 'em coming Sarah!!


Title: Re: Is Harry pushed forward to replace William and Kate?
Post by: gingerboy24 on May 19, 2016, 10:32:57 pm
A note to meememe -  I am well aware, and always have been for many years,  of what has to be done for an Act of Parliament to go through, HM has managed it many times over the years, behind the scenes, and they will not refuse her.  Kind of you to point it out for me but as it happens, in this instance, totally unnecessary.  Lines of succession can be moved, nothing is ever set in stone, laws and Acts of Parliament are frequently changed.  I doubt little opposition on this occasion, because very few, IMO, would want a common, flashing guttersnipe as a future queen consort  -  one whose most intimate and private body parts have been flashed across the media world wide, close up, and indeed at a War Memorial in Bhutan much to the shock and horror of the world.  I therefore believe that if dork bill medd and slapper council cath think they are sitting pretty and are untouchable then they are in for one major shock in the not too distant future.  As for dork bill medd and council cath guttersnipe meeting heads of state, I am of the opinion had that been the case it would have been splashed everywhere in the newspapers  -  goodness knows they are so bone idle KP pr have to clutch at May the Month of Masturbation to get them into the news  -  anything at all that might be deemed newsworthy, right down to the fact that she was too bone idle to have a pedicure for the India/Bhutan visit, is international news  -  which for me personally rules out meeting secretly with heads of state and the world not being told about it.  They can´t even visit most of their charities, and have to pretend private visits take place.  No pr in that for charities is there, IF indeed private visits were made, and I know for a fact none were done at EACH.

There are also other reasons for an Act of Parliament to be passed, but that discussion is on another thread in the Members Only sectioon.

Personally, it is my belief that King Harry is the man for the job, and very much at the front of things right now, and I sincerely hope it continues and he does indeed become King Harry, because dork bill medd and council cath slapper are so totally unsuitable for the job it is beyond belief.  Goodness knows what she might flash at a coronation, I shudder to think  -  but then as the world knows, nothing we haven´t seen before in all its unbecoming glory and close up.


Title: Re: Is Harry pushed forward to replace William and Kate?
Post by: india on May 19, 2016, 10:46:52 pm
Yes GB, you are right on the money. A lot is going on behind the scenes to shove The Masturbating Pair, The Duke of So Dork and The Obscenity along with their so called AHEM "children" right on out of the line of succession. There is no way Parliament and all concerned  is going to let an insane person who constantly masturbates in public be the Queen Consort of the UK. NO WAY. Not in a million years. In addition, The Dork is a moronic half wit who cannot speak intelligently on any subject and The Obscenity can't speak at all. And if she manages to get anything out it is in a strange jumped up voice that nobody can recognize. These two are the worst pair in recent history. Go Away. Just Go. Crawl Under A Big Rock and Masturbate Away To Your Nasty Heart's Content.


Title: Re: Is Harry pushed forward to replace William and Kate?
Post by: Val on May 19, 2016, 11:20:41 pm
^

It's surprising and almost shocking how that story has taken on a life of its own via the Internet and people commenting on it everywhere.  How Cath can go out grinning, guffawing and gurning under those circumstances amazes me.


Title: Re: Is Harry pushed forward to replace William and Kate?
Post by: india on May 20, 2016, 12:40:16 am
Well, The Moronic, Insane Obscenity is pleasuring herself for the world to see. The Dork is not having any of that.


Title: Re: Is Harry pushed forward to replace William and Kate?
Post by: Kuei Fei on May 20, 2016, 02:33:19 am
I think with this masturbation 'project,' Harry is going to be groomed to replace Mr. and Mrs. Masturbation. There is no way they can possibly go anywhere around the world to represent the nation. I don't think there is any other choice.


Title: Re: Is Harry pushed forward to replace William and Kate?
Post by: india on May 20, 2016, 03:06:47 am
There is no other choice. The Masturbation Magesties are loco. Insane. A line has been crossed. It is over for them. They will be deemed unfit. Mentally Unstable. Finito.


Title: Re: Is Harry pushed forward to replace William and Kate?
Post by: windsor2 on May 20, 2016, 03:43:38 am
Just a thought, if Wills was out and about really working, then Waity's expected to do so. Maybe I'm reaching at strawers but could Wills be playing dumb and lazy to neutralize Waity as she'll be easier to disgard when the time comes? Harry being front and center gives them good press whilst the problem of Waity's being dealt with. I hope this makes sense.


Title: Re: Is Harry pushed forward to replace William and Kate?
Post by: Kuei Fei on May 20, 2016, 03:55:55 am
If William couldn't spot Kate's antics and stand firm in 2007, I don't think he has that Machiavellian skill in playing such a game.


Title: Re: Is Harry pushed forward to replace William and Kate?
Post by: Ariel on May 20, 2016, 08:51:40 am
he doesn't but after the 2nd birth I think that HM started to pull her strings. it is possible windsor2 that this is what they are doing and are using Harry and his popularity for diversion from the Lazy Duo.


Title: Re: Is Harry pushed forward to replace William and Kate?
Post by: Kuei Fei on May 20, 2016, 09:13:17 am
I wonder if whether or not Harry would in fact be placed as Regent and William would be withdrawn long enough to get treatment. In fact, it would make a lot of sense since aside from Charles, Harry taking over as Regent would preserve the integrity of the succession while neutralizing Kate. If William were to be declared mentally unfit, then it would provide unimpeachable grounds for divorce and Kate would be booted back to Berkshire. She would have no role and no authority. Since the BRF operate outside of the mainstream legal system (what with HM BEING the government), it's not possible for Kate to go to a regular court. If Kate went international, she would be easily declared a traitor and then imprisoned (or worse).


Title: Re: Is Harry pushed forward to replace William and Kate?
Post by: india on May 20, 2016, 03:49:27 pm
She needs to be imprisoned.


Title: Re: Is Harry pushed forward to replace William and Kate?
Post by: marion on May 20, 2016, 04:04:32 pm
Don't forget to throw away the key India


Title: Re: Is Harry pushed forward to replace William and Kate?
Post by: india on May 20, 2016, 04:24:24 pm
Oh, don't you worry about that. I'll be doing a lot more than throwing away the key.


Title: Re: Is Harry pushed forward to replace William and Kate?
Post by: Kuei Fei on June 18, 2016, 08:20:53 am
The Invictus Games really put Harry in the running as a replacement for William. Imagine, just a few years ago there was a brief clamor for Charles to step down in favor of William and now it's about having William step down in favor of Harry.


Title: Re: Is Harry pushed forward to replace William and Kate?
Post by: cate1949 on June 18, 2016, 09:34:07 am
If they were prepping Harry instead of Will - they would not have put Willie boy on the Privy Council. 


Title: Re: Is Harry pushed forward to replace William and Kate?
Post by: kolkomilko on June 18, 2016, 01:41:25 pm
^^ I hope there's something in it. 


Title: Re: Is Harry pushed forward to replace William and Kate?
Post by: meememe on June 18, 2016, 03:28:26 pm
If they were prepping Harry instead of Will - they would not have put Willie boy on the Privy Council. 

So true. Putting William on the PC is another step in his training for his eventual position as King as when he is in that position he will actually have to chair the PC.

Putting Camilla on is a clear indication of the Queen's opinion about her role as a supporter for her husband when Charles is King.

In time, no doubt, Kate will be made a Privy Councillor - but probably not until Charles is King. I doubt that he ever will be a PC. Andrew, for instance has never been made a PC.

The Queen is clearly giving different honours to Harry to those she is giving to William and in the process making it clear that William is the future King while Harry is the minor royal of the two e.g. William has both the Garter and Thistle, Harry has neither, Harry has the KCVO which William hasn't. The only males in the royal family who don't have the KCVO are Philip, Charles and William. She gives the KCVO to members of the family who have given her support but who are themselves the less important members while the current spouse and future monarchs haven't been so honoured but have been given many other honours that show the different futures of the different men.


Title: Re: Is Harry pushed forward to replace William and Kate?
Post by: livylivy on June 18, 2016, 03:40:48 pm
well, I guess if Will becomes king Britain will abolish Monarchy  :king:


Title: Re: Is Harry pushed forward to replace William and Kate?
Post by: Mandosiel on June 18, 2016, 04:35:26 pm
For all we know the old girl sees the forest for the trees and is making it so Harry can have his own life away from the RF, if W/K go down they're the ones that go down with the ship not Harry. :dontknow: Can't tell me she honestly doesn't see whats going on, I think she just knows there's not much to be done for it/about it now. They're too deep in this mess on multiple levels to make it out cleanly or smoothly. Entrapment of guilty parties by making sure that they are brought right to the heart of it, keep your friends close and your enemies closer, is better in the long run.


Title: Re: Is Harry pushed forward to replace William and Kate?
Post by: Kuei Fei on October 10, 2016, 01:55:11 am
I do think HM and the courtiers are weighing their options and might be quietly training Harry to take over if Harry makes the right marriage. That is what it all boils down to.


Title: Re: Is Harry pushed forward to replace William and Kate?
Post by: Val on October 10, 2016, 07:53:16 am
^

I am sure you are right, the Monarchy would never survive with the hapless duo and the ghastly Midds clinging on for dear life.


Title: Re: Is Harry pushed forward to replace William and Kate?
Post by: Ariel on October 10, 2016, 11:37:47 am
and if Harry doesn't make the 'right' choice? what happens then?


Title: Re: Is Harry pushed forward to replace William and Kate?
Post by: kolkomilko on October 10, 2016, 01:24:33 pm
^^^ It would be great! Can it happen anyway? I mean what about the law for it?


Title: Re: Is Harry pushed forward to replace William and Kate?
Post by: Kuei Fei on October 10, 2016, 06:30:20 pm
I think Harry would actually LIKE to take the position as Charles' heir, rather than William. I think Harry would secretly love to be the next king.


Title: Re: Is Harry pushed forward to replace William and Kate?
Post by: livylivy on October 10, 2016, 08:50:24 pm
 :loveshower: King Harry the 9th  :loveshower:


Title: Re: Is Harry pushed forward to replace William and Kate?
Post by: india on October 17, 2016, 01:14:06 pm
Good King Harry would be a great king. He is enthusiastic and kind. He is not arrogant, petulant, selfish and cold. He is interested in many things and is very altruistic. He is the best of Diana and Charles. Broken Bill is the worst of Diana and Charles and would be a disaster as king along with his Idiot Potato Head and all that comes along with her.


Title: Re: Is Harry pushed forward to replace William and Kate?
Post by: gingerboy24 on October 17, 2016, 04:47:20 pm
Who knows, they could be quietly grooming him in the background for all we know.


Title: Re: Is Harry pushed forward to replace William and Kate?
Post by: leogirl on October 17, 2016, 11:22:10 pm
It would be nice. I think William turned out so poorly because he was never disciplined as a child/teen or made to face the consequences of his actions as an adult. Harry has had everything he's done go all over the papers, so he's learned from his mistakes. He still has some work to do (nobody is perfect; everyone has something about them that they could work on), but he's improved a lot.