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Title: Princess Mary
Post by: HC on January 27, 2012, 07:28:20 pm
CP Mary wearing danish design Picture gallery
http://www.billedbladet.dk/Kongelige/ArticleFolder/2012/1/Billeder%20Se%20kronprinsesse%20Mary%20i%20dansk%20design.aspx

And I might add that the danish design industri especially danish fashion industry is growing even though there is a world wide economic crisis.


Title: Princess Mary
Post by: HC on February 05, 2012, 06:34:38 pm
Mary turn 40: A Naturel talent in royal etikette says newspaper Politiken.
She functions perfect in the role. Maybe almost too perfect.

http://politiken.dk/indland/ECE1529650/mary-fylder-40-et-naturtalent-i-kongelig-etikette/

When Crown Princess Mary and Crown Prince Frederik last year in January, became parents of twins, they followed the tradition of the royal house and showed the newborns in the Rigshospitalet foyer.

Bathed in television lights Mary replied patiently for the press questions about Frederick's support during labor, differences in twins' temperament and the little princes jaundice.

A task that most women who have just gotten out of her confinement, probably prefer to see themselves free of.

But Mary knows what is expected of her as a princess and even future queen. Or, as Secretary General of the Danish Refugee Council Andreas Kamm puts it, she more than lives up to its commitments.

Provides more than expected
That he experienced when she as a patron of the organization visits refugee camps out in the world, or at home when she sits in a circle with a group of refugees and tells the refugees that she also thinks that Danish is a difficult language.

"She always gives more than we have previously agreed with the court. Provides up to several interviews, making them longer and are in general available beyond what you can expect. It is very admirable, "said Andreas Kamm.

Also historian Sebastian Olden-Jørgensen, Copenhagen University, praises Mary for having met expectations:

"She meets all the requirements that the Danes can make. She is classy, ​​and so she understands to talk to all people. "

"The kind of intelligence can be learned only in limited circumstances. It is something you are born with and it is a big plus for the royal house that Mary possesses the ability, "he said.

A scoop for the Royal Family
No one could be in doubt that Crown Prince Frederik had followed his heart when he, 14 May 2004 was waiting for his future wife before the altar in Copenhagen's cathedral.

What few could have know, was that the woman from the other side of the globe, would be as much as a scoop not only for him but for the entire royal family.

With four children in a row she has fully secured the succession, and besides, she has according to the royal experts, together with Queen Margrethe, her large share of the monarchy's popularity.

When it comes to the crown prince, his smile widened, his back straightened, and perhaps it is by leaning on her naturalness that dealings with the press gradually drops him less awkward.

Or, as the queen put it, when she in her speech at the wedding was talking about when he found his true self:

"It happened when you met Mary. Then there was spring in your mind, and it flourished around you. "

Perhaps the Crown Princess, which Sebastian Olden-Jørgensen's words, "never caught on the wrong foot," seems almost too perfect.

Solidarity
Gender Researcher at Roskilde University Karen Sjørup would like that Mary showed more solidarity with her gender sisters.

"When Mary appears with a model figure after giving birth to twins while fulfilling all her tasks she can give other women inferiority complexes."

"She is an unattainable icon," said Karen Sjørup which calls for more honesty.

"The conflict between work and family is a big dilemma in other women's lives, and therefore it would be good if Mary also allowed herself to express the vulnerability," she says.


Title: Princess Mary
Post by: HC on February 05, 2012, 07:15:36 pm
Danish newspaper Berlingske about CP Mary.
www.b.dk/nationalt/professionel-prinsesse-med-modertaekke

Not only that she is the mother of four young children. She is also Denmark's crown princess and future queen. A profession that might scare most people. But not the birthday child Mary, who on Sunday turns 40 years and have taken the difficult task on a highly professional manner. This is the judgment, at least from Sørensen, royal family expert and lecturer in history at the University of Copenhagen.

- The biggest surprise about Mary was that she initially acted as professionally as crown princess, with no royal experience. Like Margaret, she has taken her royal role very seriously, he says.

The Danes first heard about the upcoming Crown Princess, as it appeared in magazines for some 11 years ago that Crown Prince Frederik had met an Australian woman, when he was in Sydney for the Olympics in 2000. The woman turned out to be called Mary Donaldson, being the youngest of four siblings, come from Tasmania and have trained in law and commerce.

In 2002 she moved to Denmark and in October 2003 it was official: The couple became engaged, and Mary Donaldson would 14th May 2004 be Denmark's Crown Princess.

And the very fact that Mary has an ordinary, bourgeois background, one would have thought she could have had a hard time role as Crown Princess. It says Klaus Kjøller, associate professor of communications at the University of Copenhagen.

- She has built a strong brand, just by not making any mistakes. There has not even popped a few things up from her past that could have ruined the image of her. And it may well otherwise be a big problem when a bourgeois becomes elevated to royal, as they may have a past that pops up, as for example, we have seen with the Norwegian Crown Princess, he says.

The Norwegian Crown Princess Mette-Marit was a single mother and had reportedly circulating in drug circles in 2000 when she was introduced as a future Norwegian crown princess. It was then difficult for many Norwegians to cope with.

Another significant thing about Crown Princess Mary is her great commitment to the work as a royal. Both Sørensen and Klaus Kjøller praises her appearance at public events.

- She is always well prepared for meetings and the events she participates in. Her work also spans a broad way, she is interested in health, diseases, conditions of children and fashion, all of which are specific issues, she has cultivated, says Sørensen.

And Klaus Kjøller agrees.

- She has a special kind of presence at events, and she seems to be at her best when she receives bouquets and listens to people. She is also good at improvising, and may be walking out of the tight koregraferede route to greet a specially dedicated child in the crowd, he says.

A deviation from the choreographed route was seen when the royal couple were on an official visit to Australia. The Crown Princess saw an Australian journalist who reported from a visit to Sydney. The journalist said so on live TV that "this is the closest we come to the royal couple." It heard Mary, who stopped, went to the journalist, patted her on the shoulder and said with a big smile: "No, it's not the closest You come. '

Royal House says that the royal birthday will not be marked in public. Crown Princess' round day will also be quickly replaced by a new birthday in the royal family. Monday her sister in law, Princess Marie, turns 36 years.


Title: Princess Mary
Post by: Alexandrine on February 05, 2012, 08:02:57 pm
And after the bday: http://www.newsinenglish.no/2012/02/05/royals-forced-to-flee-sas-flight/

Mette seems to have such a bad luck!


Title: Princess Mary
Post by: HC on February 05, 2012, 08:23:26 pm
Not good for her fear of flying.


Title: Princess Mary
Post by: Alexandrine on February 05, 2012, 09:20:11 pm
guests

http://starlounge.dk.msn.com/photoviewer.aspx?cp-documentid=160487811#image=1

The belgium and the norwegian crown princes were there, I suppose that the dutch couple also attended.


Title: Princess Mary
Post by: HC on February 07, 2012, 07:17:24 pm
Søren Pind, The former minister of development and integration congratulates CP Mary.
http://sorenpind.blogs.berlingske.dk/2012/02/07/kronprinsessen/#comment-34701

In an unlovable time it is good to remember that grace exists.
In a time when it among intellectually gifted people have become fashionable again questioning everything, faith, hope, love and royal family, it's good to know that some people fill out their role. The existence of a concept such as Denmark. And there are people who personify and represent our country.
In those days lingers mind naturally by our princess, our next Queen much likely, that turns 40.
The mother, one understand from all the articles. the Crown Prince's life companion. A Symbol.
It is an outstanding good choice, the crown prince has made. When a part of the elite are busy giggling over his speeches, and make fun of his performance - as if a future king has a job, no, he has a calling. You could notice the wise choice, our crown prince has taken over time. Not least by chosing the crownprincess.
I have experienced the Crown Princess in a variety of contexts, that not all has access to. Her empathy for the Danish efforts for the world's weakest in the guise of development assistance. Her close contact with the women who have been victims of this terrible disease, fistula, I experienced first hand when she - in her capacity as patron of a UN program - and I met women who suffered and healed, who told their harrowing stories about everything from violent physical attack, to the birth of a child, the exclusion from family and village because of the stench which women could not hold onto the stool, the loneliness of travel as modern leper and hope ... The hope is kindled by the story of the Western-paying hospitals, that can make the complicated surgery. The long journey of the Apostles horses. Redemption. And the return back to life among family and friends ... As I sat back on the edge of your seat, she took them. Talked with them. Comforted them. Gave them coffee. Touched them. Magic ...

When the election was called, I sat on my way to the Horn of Africa and was trying to focus on hunger catastrophe there. I had invited the Crown Princess, and the day after arrival, the plan was that I should participate live from Adis Abbaba in the large collection show to promote progress.

We stop in Amsterdam, and got the message that the elections were proclaimed. There were doubts about the journey could continue, a call to the State Department showed that we could, but with a minister who now could not "fill up as much" as it was expressed. Imperceptibly the Crown Princess took a step forward, and the minister a step back. The night after she completed to everyones overwhelming satisfaction, including the Danish journalists, a flawless live interview to the entire Danish population, instead of me, which resulted in a tremendous support and many additional millions. It was the first live interview in the royal house's 1000-year history ...

During the traveling around meeting with people in appalling circumstances, dying and diseased children, suffering parents, came on again. Magic. And you might just as politicians seeing it from outside, welcome that the royal family made the decision to let CP Mary take the extra step forward, pleased to know that one self never could have delivered it, rejoice that Denmark could be proud of To send the best we had.

In times where there is the strangest attack on the monarchy there is only to say that no other system can replace the presence, cohesion and grace, which is reflected here.

Your Royal Highness: You practice an effort - work - that makes a political man proud of his country. You do, along with your husband and your family something that nothing else could replace. You make a difference. For Denmark. And for the poorest and most oppressed on earth. Therefore, we owe you thanks. Happy Birthday.


Title: Princess Mary
Post by: HC on March 06, 2012, 06:47:30 pm
http://www.b.dk/english/mary-honoured-by-world-economic-forum

Two Danish immigrants have been named on the World Economic Forum’s (WEF) annual Young Global Leaders Honourees list – the 36 year-old Soulaiam Gourani, originally from Morocco, and Crown Princess Mary – originally from Australia.

The WEF describes itself as an ‘independent international organization committed to improving the state of the world by engaging business, political, academic and other leaders of society to shape global, regional and industry agendas’.

Princess Mary and Ms Gourani, alongside 190 of their compatriots from 52 countries, will now be invited to discuss and debate the global economy with prominent names such as Kofi Annan, Christine Lagarde, and various finance and economy heavyweights at the WEF’s annual congress in Puerto Vallarta, Mexico, between the 14th and 18th of April.

Ms Gourani, a lecturer, business woman, and career consultant, gained an MBA from Copenhagen Business School where she now teaches Supply Chain Management, and studied at Stanford, Berkeley and Beijing universities. She’s previously been employed by Hewlett Packard and A.P. Moller-Maersk



Title: Princess Mary
Post by: HC on March 22, 2012, 03:52:34 pm
Crown Princess marked today together with the Heart Foundation that last year was awarded eight million kroner for cardiac research from Princess Mary's Heart Foundation.

A little video. A doctor tells us that symptoms for women are more difficult to detect. Often only a little discomfort in the heart area. CP Mary appears in the end of the video but only sort of passing by. A patient says that it gave her a good gut feeling to have said hi to CP Mary.
http://www.tv2east.dk/artikler/kronprinsesse-mary-besoegte-holbaek


Title: Princess Mary
Post by: Yooper on March 22, 2012, 04:26:04 pm
That's really terrific and a truly worthy case; she's got her priorities straight in this area from where I sit.  WHO's statistics indicate that heart disease is now the leading cause of death in women.   :thumbsup: CP!



Title: Princess Mary
Post by: minime on April 07, 2012, 02:43:11 am
hey guys,

I'm new to the danish royal family and find CP Mary interesting. but on another forum they were very much against her even hated her. Like she was like KM lazy self-absorb is not in love with CPF only with the prince dresses in an ugly way, goldigger, her family behaves apparently worse than kate's and she set out to snare a Prince at that time in sydney (a pact with her friend or sth like that). But all I can see she is a very confident person and someone who works hard, sometimes she looks snobbish and cold but that is not that bad since she does her work and maybe it's her aura and that much her personality. I haven't heard a single thing abut her family or her behavior only that she spends too much.
Can you guys enlighten me? I have no idea about her. But I like what I see and that was with kate the same back in her SA days


Title: Princess Mary
Post by: HC on April 07, 2012, 02:37:45 pm
CP Mary is the most popular royal in Denmark. And thought of as the most hardworking royal. I think the critisizm must be from foreign tabloids. In Denmark academics are very respected. As such CP Marys father is thought of in high regards as he is a professor in maths. CP Mary has no other income than the apanage. And the size of it is decided by the government.

In Denmark the recent discussion has been that CP Mary is too perfect.

Gender Researcher at Roskilde University Karen Sjørup claimed in an article that the Crown Princess should show more solidarity with her peers sisters who juggle careers, children, relationships and household duties.

 And with the following quotes Karen Sjørup started an earnest debate:

"When Mary comes with the model figure after giving birth to twins while fulfilling all her tasks she can give other women inferiority complexes," says Karen Sjørup which calls for more honesty.

"The conflict between work and family is a big dilemma in other women's lives, and therefore it would be good if Mary also allowed herself to express the vulnerability," she says.

Outraged Facebook users
And that was something that brought arouses strong feelings among our Facebook users. The article has generated 130 comments, and most of them written by women who defend the Crown Princess.

"If people have inferiority complexes about her, it's people's own problem, that she can not take care of, she should just be happy, because she is doing well and we can only be proud of her. Moreover envy is a nasty things, "says Diana Glad Jorgensen.

And Lotte Blom supports:

"Let Mary be in peace and do not be jealous of her. She does it beautifully. 4 children and of course a lot of help, so she can work very well again. We could not wish for anyone better, and I do not think anyone have inferiority complexes about her. "

Anne Lindholm says:

"Mary is an incredibly beautiful woman and a REAL princess and that she has the energy to be it could be because she has some help with the daily chores. I like that she has that help due to the job she has: that being a perfect wife, mother and Crown Princess. "

Still others claim that it is the media that makes her perfect and that she really just ordinary.

"She is not perfect. She has lost one of her shoes on a state visit, the hat has flown from her, and she had forgotten an address once. However, it is annoying that the media put her up as an idol and a role model for the is unattainable to be like her when you are a mere mortal with 8-16 jobs and no nannies, "writes, for example. Lisa Christiansen.

And then there are those who were really mad:

"Now the fuckin stop! Too perfect!, Hooray for Jantelov [danish expression about critisizing people that has too much succes], what about the handball boys [recently won silver in EM], they are not too skinny too clever, let us immediately critisize everyone and everything rather than to rejoice that we have a crown princess, who have mastered the *poo*, not *poo* on the handlebars [danish expression] as a gender researcher! just the title says it all: gender researcher ... god father to the toilet [danish expression]! "writes Klaus Qvist Mortensen.

http://go-dyn.tv2.dk/articledag/id-49316795:danskerne-forsvarer-mary.html?forside


Title: Princess Mary
Post by: Alexandrine on April 07, 2012, 07:32:16 pm
Minime I think that with everything nothing is black or white.

I like how she dresses and I think that in general she doesn't do a bad job. But at the same time I can see that she is other golddigger because that story of how she met Fred  :-X, her family is a not very elegant but as they don't live in Denmark is a good point for the RF.


Title: Princess Mary
Post by: Gwendolyn on April 07, 2012, 07:45:34 pm
Aww man, I believed the romantic first meeting story.  The version I heard was that he saw her from across the room, high-tailed it over and swept her off her feet.  What's the story you're referring to, Alexandrine?


Title: Princess Mary
Post by: Alexandrine on April 07, 2012, 07:49:28 pm
That she went to the bar because she knew there were royalty and she tried first with Felipe and Nikolaos before getting Fred's attention.


Title: Princess Mary
Post by: HC on April 07, 2012, 08:17:24 pm
Well I think that CP Mary has got an elegant background being from an academic family. Jane is qualified pharmacist, Patricia is a nurse and John is a geologist from the University Hobart'.

Here is Frederiks own words about the evening they met.

http://danishroyalwatchers.blogspot.com/2008/05/frederik-book-meeting-mary-and-how-i.html
There have been various reports in the Danish press about the new book Frederik - Crown Prince of Denmark. The book is now on sale and various articles have reported on snippets of Frederik's comments to the authors Gitte Redder and Karin Palshøj. Of particular interest have been Frederik's account of his childhood, his youthful rebellion, the significance to him of becoming a frogman and on meeting Mary. He also discusses his plans for his regency and how he wants to be pro-active for Denmark. He particularly tells of his first meeting with Mary, how their courtship progressed and then how he proposed. The book also reveals that the Crown Prince and the Queen have a closer alliance than ever before and that they consult each other for advice. The photos below were taken by Steen Brogaard especially for the book.
It was love at first sight, when Crown Prince Frederik met Mary Donaldson - completely randomly - for the first time at the bar the Slip Inn in Sydney on September 16, 2000.

In the book Frederik - Crown Prince of Denmark, who now describes his innermost feelings for the first time in connection with the romantic meeting:

"I really felt that she was a soul mate. I was drawn to Mary on all fronts. It was fantastic. The introduction was a little mysterious, but very beautiful. If you had to visualise it, it was like a summer landscape in moonlight. Still water in a pond - evocative - there is a surface, but also depth. Harmony and tranquility and lots of kindness and beauty. It's like describing a landscape bathed in moonlight. That's how I remember her from the first meeting, and it'll get better and better, and more and more beautiful," says the Crown Prince.

To this very day he still has great tenderness in his face which doesn't leave any doubt that he is still crazy about his Mary.

He was generally not in the very best shape during the days when they met: "I was jetlaged and I was really exhausted from having done a demanding pilot course [just before leaving for Australia]."

But the prince allowed himself to be lured out to eat with his Greek cousins, who as it happened were to meet some other cousins [on the Spanish side] and some locals in what was to later become an improvised party. Mary was one of the locals they met. Already the next day after far too few hours sleep, Frederik felt that he had to contact Mary again. "It was to test whether it was just a fun evening on the town or more than that. I called first. There was something special about that girl, I felt, and she wasn't unreceptive when I called. Then we met actually several times during the Olympic Games and got to know each other better and better."

The romance was temporarily interrupted by a planned journey around Australia with the prince's close friend Jeppe Handwerk. But during his trip he constantly rang Mary. Today Frederik is glad that more than a year went by before the press got wind of the situation.

"It was extremely fortunate that the press didn't discover anything and that our love could evolve, which had enough hindrances as it was, not least distance. But the year which then passed was just ours, before we decided that something radical had to happen. This was exciting and a really good proof of whether we wanted to be with each other. There were several months between each time we met. It was hard. It really was hard to live with that need," he says looking back on meetings by turns in Australia or France.

"We renewed that happiness, pleasure and love and more and more each time. And then we had to separate, and it was awful to travel away from each other again. It really was thrilling. But it was also a good proof of our love, because it dawned on us fast that it was not just a casual romance in connection with the Olympic Games which would wear off."

So the Crown Prince organised a trip to Rome. "I had decided that I'd propose to Mary in Rome and had also organised an engagement ring and made sure that I was able to be alone with her. It just worked perfectly. Not just because I wanted to go down on my knee but I did, it's the right way to do it. And then I just said, 'You cannot say no, you must not say no, you'll have to say yes.' And then she said yes and it was beautiful and happy. We were happy and just the two of us," Frederik reports and adds that the proposal was in English.


Title: Princess Mary
Post by: Alexandrine on April 07, 2012, 08:30:21 pm
Fred had a girlfriend when he went to Australia too.

I know that her family is "academic" but her father and stepmother are coarse.


Title: Princess Mary
Post by: HC on April 07, 2012, 08:42:21 pm
I don't think a professor in mathmatics is coarse. Nor do I think his wife Susan Moody is coarse. She writes novels. They met at a dinner with collegues from a university.

Did Frederik have a girlfriend at the time where he met Mary? I didn't know.


Title: Princess Mary
Post by: Alexandrine on April 07, 2012, 09:14:51 pm
I think their style is coarse, how they dress... you can be an eminence and be also vulgar.


Title: Princess Mary
Post by: minime on April 07, 2012, 09:19:46 pm
Thank you guys so much!
That story about her trying to get Nicolas and Felipe's attention first. That sounded like  :Kate: , if William didn't fall for her then she would have gone to try to get Harry's attention. Do you know more about that first meeting?
And what about the video with the blond and Frederick flirting?


Happy Easter to all those celebrating it  :TCP:  :)


Title: Princess Mary
Post by: christina01 on April 11, 2012, 11:25:11 pm
Hi Guys, I am new to this forum, but would love to put my two cents in. I think Mary is a golddigger to a certain extent. I don't believe she knew the bar in sydney had royalty in it at the time she went there, but  she quickly grasped onto Fred as soon as she realised who he was. Fred had a girlfriend I believe, however that relationship couldn't have been too strong at the time I guess. Mary IMO has changed a lot, which in some ways is inevitable due to her position, but unfortunately she comes across as snobby and pretentious. I used to like her, but can no longer abide her, however that doesn't give me the right so to speak to fabricate stories about her, as does happen in another forum. I also don't believe her family are coarse as such, however I do think her father and step mother are playing too big a part in the Danish Royal family. They were even there at one point to greet Prince Charles and his wife, something which noone really understood. I do find it hilarious to hear Mary's sisters speak, as opposed to Mary herself. The sisters speech is certainly not of a highly educated standard, but Mary's appears to be, which IMO is very much put on. I personally don't like the woman, however I will concede that she dresses well.  :flower:


Title: Princess Mary
Post by: Alexandrine on April 12, 2012, 12:08:28 am
I think she suits well the danish family, she does look stylish most of the time, works as hard as they tell her to and she doesn't make waves.

It's true that she cames across as being kind of snobbish which is very strange because I think the attraction was that she was a fun and sporty girl, not an ice queen.


Title: Princess Mary
Post by: YooperModerator on April 12, 2012, 12:24:04 am
^hmm that last line reminds me of someone....fun & sporty? 8)
I don't really follow the danish so I can't say for sure but I think that becoming a mother change her a bit.
From partygal to serious crown princess but the process took a few years.

About the gold digging: honestly I think I would do the same if I met a guy like that.
If I ran into Harry in a bar and he were single I would sees the opportunity in a snap.
I'm many things but no hypocrite, if he were interested in me why not? (not that it would ever happen lol)
Like many kid's from my generation I'm an opportunist and I don't mind admitting that.


Title: Princess Mary
Post by: christina01 on April 12, 2012, 12:54:36 am
^^

I agree to not being hypocritical either, and I think most of us would be opportunist if we could, but to be a normal everyday friendly woman, to becoming a pretentious snob is unacceptable. Surely someone in her family can keep her grounded to some extent. I know were I in that position, my family would! I just cannot abide the woman.

Please don't quote the message above yours - Alex


Title: Princess Mary
Post by: partygirl on April 12, 2012, 01:03:10 am
I think she suits well the danish family, she does look stylish most of the time, works as hard as they tell her to and she doesn't make waves.

It's true that she cames across as being kind of snobbish which is very strange because I think the attraction was that she was a fun and sporty girl, not an ice queen.

She has made more waves than any other crown princess, the difference is that the Danish press is very pro-monarchy, rarely criticizes the royals.  Right after the wedding, she said openly in the interview that the monarchy in Denmark needs to be modernized, she wouldn't allow her kids to be raised by nannies (kicking her MIL), blah blah blah.
I agree she dressed better than other commoner royals except for Charlene. I love Charlene's clothes.


Title: Princess Mary
Post by: christina01 on April 12, 2012, 01:25:55 am
To not have nannies for her children is a joke. She and Fred have four nannies I believe  :June:


Title: Princess Mary
Post by: June on April 12, 2012, 05:53:50 am
@ Alexandrine: I agree with everything you said. You really nailed it.  :thumbsup:

@ chris:  :hug: I believe it was established that Mary knew European royals would be at the now-famous Slip Inn. Her ex-friend [now] came out and spilled the beans; the one who was instrumental in Mary meeting Fred. They never spoke again.  :June:

I agree that some of the vitriol levelled at Mary elsewhere is out of line. Some of the allegations about drug use and associates are defamatory, IMO. It's one thing to be critical, but quite another to make gratuitous imputations and crossing that line, IMO.

I can find good things to say about Mary, though I don't particularly like her as I think she lacks substance. And, like chris stated, I believe Mary is 'snobby and pretentious' amongst other synonyms. Mary had a real sense of entitlement and pushy manner that gives me shudders. Often, the things which are our so-called strengths are also our weaknesses or unpleasant traits. I believe this applies to Mary.

@ HC: you really can't believe everything you read in fairytale books and blogs. That's not reality. It's a rose-coloured view.

I'm from Sydney and I know quite a bit about Mary's life prior to Fred. I don't have time to go into it now.

@ akasha: I would never have led the life Mary led prior to Fred. But that is just me. She was an opportunist of epic proportions. She didn't meet Fred by accident, he didn't pick her out of the crowd, she was very plain.  Had that been the case, then yes, I might have done similar things to Mary. But I would have drawn a line, Mary didn't.

I think Mary, just like Kate, would have sold her soul to get that coveted ring. I just don't like such people. A person's dignity is everything IMO. Mary would have gone for any rich man, IMO. Just look at her past friends and associates. Do you see anyone "ordinary" in that lot? Plumbers, truck drivers, clerks, or even accountants? No.

That speaks volumes because Mary herself was a very ordinary girl from a very laid back state. She wasn't from Sydney or Melbourne whereby she might have easily had grandiose ideas planted in her brain. She must have really been innately supercilious. That is entirely unpleasant and unpalatable to me. But I'm very grounded, leaning left.


Title: Princess Mary
Post by: christina01 on April 12, 2012, 08:54:23 am
^^

 :hug: June. As usual your post is spot on. I had no idea Mary had a ' friend' who came out and spoke about certain things. I should love to hear more about that if you have the time, or even if you could point me in the direction as to where to look. You know how i love to read gossip  8)

Please don't quote the message above yours - Alex


Title: Princess Mary
Post by: christina01 on April 12, 2012, 09:48:13 am
It is good Mary is lending her name to this charity, if only she would purchase a few less expensive things of her own, such as Prada handbags, and donate that money as well!!!  :thumbsup:


Title: Princess Mary
Post by: minime on April 12, 2012, 07:55:03 pm
that's interesting news with her friend  :easter-sly:
June I would love to hear your stories, too if you have the time


Title: Princess Mary
Post by: YooperModerator on April 12, 2012, 11:32:21 pm
FYI so that we are in the same book.
8m Danish Krone is about 1.4m$, 1.07m € and 0.8m £.
Still a good amount of money for the foundation though :thumbsup:


Title: Princess Mary
Post by: christina01 on April 13, 2012, 06:08:23 am
Everybit helps for sure  :thumbsup:


Title: Princess Mary
Post by: Sarahjane on April 14, 2012, 04:37:43 am
I remember reading any article on her romance with Frederick (when it all became public) ...watched all the docos they had on about her, sat up late to watch thier wedding... all that princessy stuff was very appealing to a 14 yr old. :P

I remember even being completely stunned at how they met....considering a pub isn't always the place were you meet your future husband..what with drunks falling over the place and all. Especially an aussie pub haha. It still in a way does facinate me because of the massive change she had to make just to be with him. I do applaud her for her bravey.

IMO, i do think you need to have an element of oppotunist in you to want to make such a drastic change, become a royal etc...but i didnt know that mary had planned such a thing that night at the Slip inn (if she did)

and i particulary didn't know that frederick already had a girlfriend. This actually doesn't make me think anything bad of frederick. It happens in life. Hell... we were all hoping it would happen to prince william LOL but no other girl tried to bash williams door down.

I'd love to know exactly what that old friend of hers said. LOL :P


Title: Princess Mary
Post by: June on April 14, 2012, 08:14:21 am
Hi everyone,

I'll be back to answer all your questions within the next day or so.  :flower:

I don't have any "inside information" or anything, but I do have some insight. Wow, it seems Mary really did cover up her past and how she met Fred.  :June:


Title: Princess Mary
Post by: christina01 on April 14, 2012, 10:35:07 am
You are being cruel June making us wait  bignono but I'm sure you'll deliver the goods in time  8)


Title: Princess Mary
Post by: Sarahjane on April 14, 2012, 10:58:22 am
I know! :) The suspense is gripping!


Title: Princess Mary
Post by: christina01 on April 14, 2012, 11:01:27 am
Arghhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh


Title: Princess Mary
Post by: minime on April 14, 2012, 07:50:55 pm
Hi everyone,

I'll be back to answer all your questions within the next day or so.  :flower:

I don't have any "inside information" or anything, but I do have some insight. Wow, it seems Mary really did cover up her past and how she met Fred.  :June:


I can't wait  :flower:


Title: Princess Mary
Post by: Lieblich on April 14, 2012, 10:14:35 pm
hey guys,

I'm new to the danish royal family and find CP Mary interesting. but on another forum they were very much against her even hated her. Like she was like KM lazy self-absorb is not in love with CPF only with the prince dresses in an ugly way, goldigger, her family behaves apparently worse than kate's and she set out to snare a Prince at that time in sydney (a pact with her friend or sth like that). But all I can see she is a very confident person and someone who works hard, sometimes she looks snobbish and cold but that is not that bad since she does her work and maybe it's her aura and that much her personality. I haven't heard a single thing abut her family or her behavior only that she spends too much.
Can you guys enlighten me? I have no idea about her. But I like what I see and that was with kate the same back in her SA days

If you're speaking of Royal Dish, they can be very harsh but also have a lot of evidence. Mary doesn't do that many engagements (Frederik does even less I think, but I can't find the numbers). Fred has cheated on Mary and Mary's turned a blind eye (sound familiar)? Mary also spends like there's no tomorrow. RD has a tally of a couple hundred purses, a couple hundred pairs of shoes, numerous clothing articles that are worn once and never seen again, etc., and most of these pieces are very expensive and very similar to others (such as multiple pairs of slightly different nude heels). The description of her career is also very edited. She also loves the camera. It's clearer in videos, but she often ignores the crowds in order to purposely look at the cameras.

I believe that the Danish media is also very bias, similar to when PW's office called up the Daily Mail after Platell criticized Kate. The tabloids in Denmark simply don't print bad stories. If somebody dares to, such as Trine Villeman (she wrote a book that was rather negative about the Danish Royal family though not about Mary), they are vilified.


Title: Princess Mary
Post by: christina01 on April 15, 2012, 05:04:12 am
 :hi: Hey Lieblich. You are correct regarding Royal Dish. They on the most part do dislike Mary, (I am another who dislikes her, but more so recently, due to her behaviour). The posters on RD do have evidence backing things up, and especially regarding her spending, which is disgusting. She does appear vain and certainly does appear to constantly look at the cameras. I know that it will be argued that most people in her position would become that way, but I really don't see the other crown princesses of Europe act in the same manner. Unfortunately Mary is also becoming less popular in Australia, from whence she came. People here don't take kindly to arrogance and pompous behaviour.


Title: Princess Mary
Post by: Sarahjane on April 15, 2012, 06:25:59 am
^^

You can say that last line again! lol

Please don't quote the message above yours - Alex


Title: Princess Mary
Post by: christina01 on April 15, 2012, 06:44:06 am
Sarahjane  :thumbsup:


Title: Princess Mary
Post by: minime on April 15, 2012, 12:47:20 pm
so Kate and her family saw what they could achieve with a insecure person. It seems to me that Frederick is an insecure person. Is that right?



If you're speaking of Royal Dish, they can be very harsh but also have a lot of evidence. Mary doesn't do that many engagements (Frederik does even less I think, but I can't find the numbers). Fred has cheated on Mary and Mary's turned a blind eye (sound familiar)? Mary also spends like there's no tomorrow. RD has a tally of a couple hundred purses, a couple hundred pairs of shoes, numerous clothing articles that are worn once and never seen again, etc., and most of these pieces are very expensive and very similar to others (such as multiple pairs of slightly different nude heels). The description of her career is also very edited. She also loves the camera. It's clearer in videos, but she often ignores the crowds in order to purposely look at the cameras.


Wow ok when did the cheating happen?? that sounds very familiar
The Camera thing is sth I noticed, too

Thank you guys for your information


Title: Princess Mary
Post by: Miss_Sonya on April 15, 2012, 12:52:14 pm
^ Frederick has always seemed insecure IMO


Title: Princess Mary
Post by: christina01 on April 15, 2012, 12:52:36 pm
Frederick does appear insecure IMO. And again, of course it's only conjecture. I have only heard about the cheating rumours. There was a visit Fred made alone to Australia a few years back, and he was spotted with a mystery woman then, and the press went into overdrive. I am not sure he is a happy man.  :sob:


Title: Princess Mary
Post by: Miss_Sonya on April 15, 2012, 12:54:41 pm
Of course when the press went in to over drive the pr spin started and they tried to say it was a friend of Mary's. I'm sorry I wouldnt want a friend of mine sitting between my husband's legs the way that woman was.


Title: Princess Mary
Post by: christina01 on April 15, 2012, 12:58:04 pm
Gross. Fred was also seen dancing the night away in a nightclub the night before the twins came home from hospital. Perhaps it was innocent, but with his past and the rumours, it wasn't a good look. I myself wouldn't be thrilled if my husband was having a ball whilst I am in hospital with a newborn, let alone two. WTH. It isn't as though they have no help and he was having a last fling prior to his life being altered forever when the babies come home. Mary and Fred have four nannies for their children.  :sigh:


Title: Princess Mary
Post by: Miss_Sonya on April 15, 2012, 12:59:54 pm
And don't forget Fred dancing in a night club with 'another of Mary's friends' the night before the twin's christening. I wonder how many pretty young blonde friends Mary has  :laugh:


Title: Princess Mary
Post by: christina01 on April 15, 2012, 01:00:50 pm
Yes, I did forget that. I wouldnt like it, so can't see that Mary does  :June:


Title: Princess Mary
Post by: Miss_Sonya on April 15, 2012, 01:02:53 pm
She gets plenty of money to dry her tears with,and she spends all of it.


Title: Princess Mary
Post by: christina01 on April 15, 2012, 01:05:22 pm
Oh yes true. Did you see those recent pics of her in Vietnam Sonya? Gave u the shivers  :nervous:


Title: Princess Mary
Post by: Miss_Sonya on April 15, 2012, 01:09:36 pm
She is looking rather aged. If she gets the treatments and fillers like most ppl believe then she really should ask for her money back.


Title: Princess Mary
Post by: christina01 on April 15, 2012, 01:11:57 pm
 lmao true. Did you see her greedily eyeing off that jewellery  :snob:


Title: Princess Mary
Post by: YooperModerator on April 15, 2012, 01:30:48 pm
hihi how funny
a Danish royal board and yet the main knowledgeable posters are Aussie  :tehe:
I know it makes sense in this case but still, tickles my funny bone for some reason lol
Carry on ladies :king:
I'm interested and learning a lot! :thumbsup:


Title: Princess Mary
Post by: Miss_Sonya on April 15, 2012, 01:34:15 pm
^ sorry I'm not Australian. I just became interested in the DRF after I became good friends with a Dane. Anything in particular you would like to know? I'll try to answer  :flower:


Title: Princess Mary
Post by: YooperModerator on April 15, 2012, 01:42:00 pm
Oh right, I thought because you spoke detailed about Mary time in Australia....nevermind :shy:
How fluent is her Danish nowadays I remember that it was a nightmare in the beginning!


Title: Princess Mary
Post by: Miss_Sonya on April 15, 2012, 01:44:44 pm
I don't speak danish but from what my Danish friends tell me it's still not that great and her accent is horrible,even I can hear her accent so it's bad...lol... Of course it probably doesn't help that she uses a fake posh accent when speaking english.


Title: Princess Mary
Post by: YooperModerator on April 15, 2012, 01:47:32 pm
i see 8)
why they all think they need a fake preppy accent is beyond me  :dontknow:


Title: Princess Mary
Post by: Miss_Sonya on April 15, 2012, 01:49:45 pm
I'llnever understand that either. Mary's fake accent was very noticable in a documentary they did a few months ago about the jewels. Magrethe and Queen Silvia spoke better English then Mary did.


Title: Princess Mary
Post by: tequiero on April 15, 2012, 02:10:59 pm
^
I watched the 1st part of that documentary and to be honest Queen Margrethe and Queen Silvia's English was / is so much better than Mary's whereas Mary is the English native speaker. Mary pronounced some words in such a way as if English was her 2nd language. And sorry, but I don't buy the story when she speaks Danish so perfectly and fluently that it affects her English and in that way she is made to speak Danglish.

What is more, QM and QS both gave such a wonderful insight on some royal jewels wheras Mary was only able to say few words about "her" ruby set. She wasn't prepared at all for that interview.


Title: Princess Mary
Post by: Miss_Sonya on April 15, 2012, 02:14:50 pm
^ I agree about her danish not effecting her english. My danish friends say that her danish is not that good. I think that was just spin so that she wouldn't look stupid,which she did. As you said she knew very little about the jewels and she didn't know all that much about her ruby set though she was more knowledgable about the rubies then the others


Title: Princess Mary
Post by: tequiero on April 15, 2012, 03:08:32 pm
I still remember when she said she was so afriad she wouldn't know how to wear such a tiara, I mean the head piece in that ruby set. It sounded as if she wasn't sure when to put it: on her head, neck or even leg  :tehe: :tehe:
But when she started talking about the changes and alterations which were made on that tiara, I was like Who allowed this woman to even look at that beautiful set?

About her English: there are many witnessess that she constantly speaks English at home, to her children and stuff. At the same time, during that documentary, she pronounces  lineage as lineaż, the same way as we "write" it. You know what I mean  :hi: As the educated person, a lawyer, the English native speaker, it's simply  bignono To be honest, I'd pronounce it in that way and I'm still on way in "mastering" English  :tehe: :tehe:

About Fred: he is so immature, the same way as our Billy the Plumber. They both lack their mothers' attention and want to find it by marrying totally inappropriate and unsuitable women, and by that, making huge mistakes and mess of their lives respectively.
I've read some articles about Fred and his blond friends, even when Mary was at hospital, just after giving birth to the twins. I'd be so pissed off if my hubby behaved in that way, but on the other hand, Mary always turns blind eye because she gets all the money etc from their relationship. How would she be able to buy Prada if not by staying married to Freddie, who, by the way, very often seems to be under the influence / -s.


Title: Princess Mary
Post by: Miss_Sonya on April 15, 2012, 03:16:24 pm
Yes Fred does seem to be either drunk or on something most of the time. I've heard that Mary speaks English the majority of the time. Her english in the documentary was awful,as you said how she  pronounced lineage was cringe worthy. Mary will put up with anything Fred does for the sake of the money and Fred couldn't easily get rid of her with 4 kids.


Title: Princess Mary
Post by: tequiero on April 15, 2012, 03:25:29 pm
4 children who are raised by the army of nannies. If you compare F&M children with the Spanish little infantas, there is simply no comparision.
I'm still wondering how she got pregnant with the twins  :tehe: :tehe: And I do hope Josephine will get some attention 'cause poor Izzy seems to be so neglected.


Title: Princess Mary
Post by: Miss_Sonya on April 15, 2012, 03:41:33 pm
Yes they have 4 nannies and Izzy doesn't seem like she gets a lot of attention. The pic of her with holes in her shoe but Christian dressed nicely spoke volumes imo.


Title: Princess Mary
Post by: tequiero on April 15, 2012, 04:10:07 pm
Exactly.  :flower: :flower: When I was writing about Izzy, I had that unfortunate picture in mind. The poor girl in old shoes whereas her mummy is wearing Prada in all her glory and her brother is like a little king. But he is the HEIR and in all Europe almost all future heirs are girls. Mary must be so proud of herself for compliting her tasks so marvellously  :tehe: :tehe:

At least, Mary now seems to put Izzy and Josy in fine, bright clothes because earlier poor Izzy was always wearing grey and other dark colours.



Title: Princess Mary
Post by: Alexandrine on April 15, 2012, 04:27:16 pm
I don't think Mary makes waves. The only real scandal I remember is the druggie friend. She does what the RF wants her to do. I don't think she has real power inside the family as some want to believe, if Fred is king her position will change but meanwhile Margrethe lives she is a zero.



Title: Princess Mary
Post by: Miss_Sonya on April 15, 2012, 04:30:24 pm
@Alexandrine a newpaper or maybe it was a magazine (i forget) was sued for snapping her pic while buying diapers just because thats not the image she wants ppl to see. Though many believe Mary's ppl tipped the photographer off to where she would be. Who knows for sure


Title: Princess Mary
Post by: Alexandrine on April 15, 2012, 04:33:13 pm
But if she sued she must have had the backing of the RF. Sorry but I cannot see Margrethe suffering fool's gladly.

Same with a possible divorce, if she was let by her mother in law to change the ruby tiara I doubt that she is going to dissappear any time soon.

Yeah she is a gold digger but I think she is going to end up as Q. Silvia, very botoxed and dealing with an idiot husband.


Title: Princess Mary
Post by: Miss_Sonya on April 15, 2012, 04:36:29 pm
Oh I agree she isn't going anywhere but Margrethe doesn't spend much time with Mary or Fred. Christmas 2010 Mary and Fred didn't spend it with the rest of the family even though they were in Denmark at the time.


Title: Princess Mary
Post by: Alexandrine on April 15, 2012, 04:38:36 pm
But even if she doesn't she is the boss. I'm sure that every decision made in that family must go first through her.


Title: Princess Mary
Post by: Miss_Sonya on April 15, 2012, 04:42:51 pm
Probably but for some reason I don't see her being like that. She enjoys her position and is very popular in Denmark but she seems to be more concerned with her own pursuits and Henrik then with her children or grandchildren. As long as there is no scandal I don't think she cares what they do or don't do. Of course I could be wrong but thats the impression I get from Margrethe.


Title: Princess Mary
Post by: Alexandrine on April 15, 2012, 04:46:15 pm
I don't think she cares about her children but she cares about the institution imo. If not Joachim may have been able to divorce sooner.

I see Margrethe as being very controlling, I don't see anything escaping her control at all.


Title: Princess Mary
Post by: Miss_Sonya on April 15, 2012, 05:00:40 pm
I agree she cares about the institution and maybe she is controlling. I just can't see why she would let Mary and Fred for that matter be so work shy for the most part. And allowed them to take a lavish ski holiday about a month after having a holiday in Australia but then the same could be asked of Elizabeth regarding Willy. Maybe that's just the status quo for royals now.


Title: Princess Mary
Post by: Lieblich on April 15, 2012, 06:02:26 pm
Re: the cheating, Mary was also the "other woman" when Fred was dating Bettina (sp?). He started dating Mary without breaking up with Bettina and Bettina, if I remember rightly, called it off after seeing Mary in a tabloid. I'd have to check that, but both women overlapped by a few weeks. There was the blond woman before the Christening, and there was a dark-haired woman in Australia that Fred was acting rather intimately with (not kissy-kissy, but caressing) on a boat when Mary wasn't present. There are more rumors, but I'd have to scour Royal Dish for them again.

I'm not sure what to think of Margrethe. She recently allowed Mary's father and stepmother to be official representatives during one event on the Charles/Camilla tour. I'm not sure what the official excuse was, but the only connection I can find is that the Donaldsons are from the Commonwealth. So is Mary - so why not her as representative? It's not as if her schedule is busy. I just think the Donaldsons were inappropriate to have at a royal event.

Margrethe was also firmly against either of her sons marrying Danes. Fred seemed happiest with Katja. She was considered inappropriate as both a Dane and a model who had done some underwear shots. Trine Villeman, who has criticized the Danish RF, wrote that Fred was secretly engaged to Katja but Margrethe wouldn't allow it. Fred seemed to do his best when with Katja, and Villeman reported that Katja helped him with his speeches and encouraged him to join the Frogmen (Navy special forces).


Title: Princess Mary
Post by: Miss_Sonya on April 15, 2012, 07:48:13 pm
^ you are absolutely right but I think Mary and Bettina over lapped by more then a few weeks. Mary was the other woman so what did she really expect? Fred was far better when he was with Katja. He acted like an intelligent man. Yes he had his fun but he was more respectible. It has been said the Margrethe didn't want her sons to marry danes because of some stupid tradition but she needs to realize danish royals in the past didn't marry Danes because they had to marry royals.


Title: Princess Mary
Post by: Lieblich on April 15, 2012, 07:54:51 pm
Margethe's current excuse I think is that it's far easier for Danish tabloids to pry into the past of a Danish girlfriend, but in today's internet age that's hardly an excuse, as plenty can be found out about Mary if you know where to look. A reporter went rummaging in Mary's trash in Australia, and found letters from her grandmother and pictures of her grandmother that Mary had thrown out.


Title: Princess Mary
Post by: Alexandrine on April 15, 2012, 08:03:32 pm
Yeah but it is more difficult because you have to look it up. The average danish may not know anything about her family. But if they were from there they would know all about them. I do think that Margrethe's idea is a good one.


Title: Princess Mary
Post by: christina01 on April 16, 2012, 03:25:42 am


I'm not sure what to think of Margrethe. She recently allowed Mary's father and stepmother to be official representatives during one event on the Charles/Camilla tour. I'm not sure what the official excuse was, but the only connection I can find is that the Donaldsons are from the Commonwealth. So is Mary - so why not her as representative? It's not as if her schedule is busy. I just think the Donaldsons were inappropriate to have at a royal event.

I dont think anyone can understand what the Donaldsons were doing as official representatives during an event with Chuck and Milla. It took most by surprise I think. Have we ever seen any other in-laws act as reps like that? Princess Alex's parents? Marie's parents? No we havent. Does Marge like Mary's parents, and is she perhaps close to them? I still don't think that entitles them to be reps to any other royal family. Weird  ???


Title: Princess Mary
Post by: minime on April 16, 2012, 01:31:41 pm
oh my that all sounds as disturbed as William and Kate + Midds.
I once saw a video with Fred dancing and the next day Mary and Fred went to the church and she was ice cold. So therefore I think he flirts a bit too much. If my husband would behave like that I would do  :bat:  :tease:  :screaming: . But at least Mary does MORE than Kate and dresses way better.
Could someone tell me about Magrethe and Fred's relationship? It seems like every royal has problems with their mothers. Charles and the queen, Fred and Magrethe  oh my oh my


Title: Princess Mary
Post by: Lieblich on April 16, 2012, 08:42:03 pm
^ I think Fred actually said that Margrethe wasn't a good mother, Henrik wasn't a good father, and he didn't have a great childhood. Can't remember specifically, though.

I dont think anyone can understand what the Donaldsons were doing as official representatives during an event with Chuck and Milla. It took most by surprise I think. Have we ever seen any other in-laws act as reps like that? Princess Alex's parents? Marie's parents? No we havent. Does Marge like Mary's parents, and is she perhaps close to them? I still don't think that entitles them to be reps to any other royal family. Weird  ???

I think Marie's parents were invited to a gala dinner for Marg's jubilee, and the Donaldsons weren't. It's all very weird.


Title: Princess Mary
Post by: Alexandrine on April 16, 2012, 08:48:50 pm
I think his childhood was similar to Charles'. A mother who was more interested in state affairs and a father who didn't connect with him.

He said that Mary helped to bring him close to his mother but I really doubt it.

I don't think Mary's parents were in an official capacity they just let them be in the church and meet C&C in a casual manner. Maybe it's a kind of technique by Margrethe to control the in laws, from time to time she gives them a "gift".


Title: Princess Mary
Post by: christina01 on April 17, 2012, 03:42:20 am
I'm not saying it's right, but that was the way royal children were brought up back then. This new lot of royalty have mainly married commoners, who would find it alien leaving their children to be brought up by others primarily. I don't know about other royal families, but Mary and Fred do have four nannies. FOUR! Charles is really the only member of his siblings who complained about the way he was brought up. Noone else appears to have complained. I saw a interview with Princess Anne once, and she stated that her upbringing to her was normal. She didn't know any better. To her everyone was brought up the same way. Fred complained about his childhood too I believe, yes. His brother never complained however.  :dontknow:


Title: Princess Mary
Post by: June on April 17, 2012, 04:07:38 pm
That's right, chris.  :BFF:

But really, Fred is a whiner, who just wants to do as little as possible. The poor little rich boy routine garners him the requisite amount of sympathy he requires to live his hedonistic lifestyle.  :thumbsdown:

To be honest, I don't think much has changed with the way royal babies are being raised. As you say, Mary and Fred have an ample supply of nannies.  :sigh: I think that, generally speaking, royals are becoming more accessible, warm and fuzzy - or imparting that impression - which spills over to their private lives, perhaps.

Royal houses have changed the blueprint in order to be accepted, they are far less stiff, so I just think they are raising the children accordingly. I believe royal children were trained to understand that they had to always have a "stiff upper lip" in public, but that is no longer the case. Decades ago, if children were too pampered behind the scenes, they would have grown up with the notion that this was the norm. That's my theory ...  :dontknow:

Anyway back to Mary ... rather than have me reiterate what others have stated well, I'll provide these two links, which explain almost the whole story. In fact, just to prove that it isn't rumour, speculation or gratuitous slur, apparently, Fred himself spoke out about how he met Mary through a woman who knew European royals (scroll down):

http://royalcorrespondent.com/2011/02/04/happy-birthday-to-hrh-crown-princess-mary-of-denmark-shes-39-years-old-tomorrow/

It has been settled by Fred himself that Mary knew that foreign princes would be at the Slipp Inn because the woman, Beatrice Tarnawski, knew Mary's flatmate, Andrew Miles. There is some debate as to exactly who invited Mary go to the pub, but that doesn't really matter. Mary had a close friend (Andrew Miles), once removed, who knew royalty. There is just no way Mary didn't know Fred et al would be at the pub. I'm also willing to bet that she was given the brief on the eligible bachelors and just how "eligible" they were. :June: I'm sure Mary re-wrote history and said she didn't know who Fred was. But, IMO, she omitted to say she didn't know until she was told by Beatrice and/or Andrew.

Now, what I can't confirm is that it was alleged that the princes were "looking for a good time" with Aussie girls.  :June: Make of that what you will; personally, I believe it. There was a bit of rumour about Andrew Miles; I know neither what exactly or if any of it is true.

Now, here is a blog, the writer of which obviously isn't a fan of Mary's. This adds some commentary on the issue, which seems accurate to me - knowing Mary's form. I do know that this Beatrice woman was upset that she was snubbed for the wedding. Now, whether or not that was because she talked to the media prior, or whether that was after she was snubbed, I'm not sure. Either way, Mary has proven to be a person who will ditch her moral compass to get what she wants. My guess is that Beatrice knew too much about Mary.

http://aboganindenmark.blogspot.com.au/2007/10/mary-and-frederik-met-at-olympics-in.html

Remember, this is the same woman (Mary) who threw out her deceased grandmother's letters before she moved to Europe.  :thumbsdown:

Ok, happy reading ... any questions, just ask.  :hi:

I could discuss other things about Mary too, nothing that exciting, but just little tidbits which get glossed over.  :tehe:


Title: Princess Mary
Post by: serene grace on April 17, 2012, 04:28:57 pm
Just curious.....
Has Mary yet learned to speak Danish correctly with the proper pronounciations? My heart goes out to Mary trying to learn Danish, it really does. I've been trying my hand at a few sentences in Norwegian since I've been here for a few months and it's awful.  :sigh: I am going to attend classes to learn Nowegian,the next time I come to Oslo, even though to learn the language fluently , takes years of practice, living it, making mistakes as you learn.

How long did it take Mary to speak Danish?  ???
What I find is, I can read(understand) Norwegian words more easily than actually speaking them.


Title: Princess Mary
Post by: Alexandrine on April 17, 2012, 04:48:44 pm
Commoners also use nannies. I don't think the problems were being raised by nannies per se but the relation with his parents. When Fred was growing up it was another era, his mother shouldn't be old school at all. But she is cold as fish and his father has always been jealous of his position. I don't think you can compare what Fred felt with Joachim's childhood, they may have different experiences or simply one decided to be open about it and the other not.

(For example Anne was liked by her father, Charles couldn't say that.)

Now about the nannies, I think that all CPs have a large number of nannies but we know about the danish because they are a bit more open on that topics as no one will criticise them anyway. For me having nannies is not a bad thing the problem with Mary is that she said that she wouldn't have them which was very idiotic.

@SG it happens to me, although my english writing is advanced (or I hope so!) my speaking skills are abysmal. Imo it's easier to learn to read a language than try to speak it, moreover if the pronunciation is very different from what you are used to.


Title: Princess Mary
Post by: June on April 17, 2012, 05:30:29 pm
@ SG: according to some Danes on forums, Mary is utterly hopeless and cannot speak the language well. That is my take on it. Please remember, unlike yourself, Mary had access to the finest teachers and time to learn. It was part of her job description. Whilst no doubt it's a difficult language, Mary had an advantage over most others and she still can't get it right, apparently. The woman can barely string a proper sentence together in English, so it's hardly surprising.  :laundry:

@ Alexandrine: my opinion is that Fred is a whiner and his parents were just indicative of their social class and preparing their son for his birthright. They probably just didn't want to raise a cry-baby, soft King who couldn't bare to handle the tougher aspects of his position. I think that is perfectly reasonable. He wasn't born to be like others, he was born to be King.

I've never read that his father is 'jealous of his position'. He may well be ... regarding his mother, the Queen, she also used to ensure he was well looked after on his ventures away from home. I believe he was embarrassed by her attention to his well-being. That's hardly what I would describe as being uncaring.


Title: Princess Mary
Post by: June on April 17, 2012, 05:31:56 pm
It is good Mary is lending her name to this charity, if only she would purchase a few less expensive things of her own, such as Prada handbags, and donate that money as well!!!  :thumbsup:

Exactly, chris.  :thumbsup: It's definitely a worthy cause and it's nice to read, but it's hardly from her own personal efforts or sacrifice, is it?  :June:

Let's get real: this is HER JOB, for which she is paid above and beyond the value of her labour.  :cookie:


Title: Princess Mary
Post by: Alexandrine on April 17, 2012, 05:45:37 pm
There was a famous episode when Margrethe was ill and couldn't preside over an important event in Denmark, don't remember which one, well the role landed on Fred's lap for Henry's consternation who thought that he had a more important position that his son. He was so angry that decided to leave for France. Henrik has never dealt well with his son being more important than him.

I think there is a difference between raising a cry baby and simply not having a relationship with him.

I agree that he is a whiner because even having a "bad" childhood he should have been able to get over it and do something with himself. I


Title: Princess Mary
Post by: Miss_Sonya on April 17, 2012, 05:52:06 pm
^ it was the New Year's reception of 2002 if memory serves


Title: Princess Mary
Post by: June on April 17, 2012, 05:59:39 pm
Thanks for that information re Henrik - I had no idea.  :thankyou:

Re this: 'I think there is a difference between raising a cry baby and simply not having a relationship with him.' I realise that, but that is the extreme comparison. There is no evidence that Fred did not have any relationship with his mother. She may have been distant, cold even. But that doesn't mean he didn't have a relationship at all with her. From all accounts, he was close to his grandmother, which would have gone some way to ameliorating the frosty relationship with his mother.

Fred appears to be a real sook, crying regularly and looking like he's teary often. Frankly, I think his version of events is coming from a very weak perspective. I think Fred suffers from mental illness. At some level, he craves normality and wishes he had a mother who was affectionate toward him. But he wouldn't have lasted in the real world for one week. Granted, Daisy has admitted she wasn't that maternal ...

I just think that his mother has shown that she cares for him and he has said so himself. He was born royal, to be King and I think some of these homely, loving expectations are ones from normal families. That is fine, but I think it's unrealistic to assume that any royal would have the love and affection of what say, we as regular commoners, enjoyed. They say there is always a price tag for everything in life ... he did get to marry the woman he wanted. If his mother was such a shrew, she could have said "no" to Mary ... but Fred got his own way.


Title: Princess Mary
Post by: Miss_Sonya on April 17, 2012, 06:03:19 pm
^ it has been reported that Fred has suffered from depression in the past. Since it was never refuted by the RF I assume it's true.


Title: Princess Mary
Post by: Alexandrine on April 17, 2012, 06:12:58 pm
AFAIK the relationship with his mother has been always been frosty.

The grandmother part also reminds me of Charles and how he was pampered by the QM.


Title: Princess Mary
Post by: christina01 on April 19, 2012, 04:56:33 am
You have that right June  :hi:, it is her damn job, and considering she is kept by the people and lives a luxury lifestyle, the least she can do is give some back.


Title: Princess Mary
Post by: HC on April 20, 2012, 05:45:06 pm
Christina01

CP Mary receives an apanage decided by the government. That apanage is not supposed to be used to charities.

CP Mary is able to give charity through her foundation.


Title: Princess Mary
Post by: HC on April 20, 2012, 06:03:22 pm
Well
I'm a dane and I can assure You that CP Mary speaks fluently danish. I do not know Anyone that is not astonished how fluently she speaks the language. Yes she has an english accent but most danish think an english accent is charming.

And CP Mary is the most popular royal person in Denmark and that says a lot as the Queen and CP Frederik is also extremely popular.

Frederik has said that his speach about his father spanking - it was a danish saying the one you love you spank - was meant as a fun part of the speach -  and he would never had made that joke if he had known how the reaction would turn out. The reaction was strong as it turned out to be yet another issue between the danes and Prince Henrik. Danish parents don't spank children but in Prince Henriks family it was a part of normal upbringing. So again difference in culture that makes the danes think less of Prince Henrik.

Frederiks relation with his mother is very close. They have recently been travelling on sledges through Greenland living in litttle tents and had a marvellous time.


Title: Princess Mary
Post by: pechoolo11 on April 20, 2012, 07:01:53 pm

I can understand the criticism of Mary. Her first meeting with Fred wasn't exactly a fairytale. They met at a pub and Mary rubbed his chest. This is an account from Beatrice Tarnawski, the friend of Mary's flatmate, Andrew Miles.

http://www.theage.com.au/articles/2002/11/04/1036308258205.html
 (http://www.theage.com.au/articles/2002/11/04/1036308258205.html)

After Mary met Fred, she enrolled in a Starmakers course. When she was in Australia last fall, an Aussie news program showed some video footage of her in the course. She and some other women were practicing how to walk. It starts around
1:20.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LfMZObKeQ1Y
 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LfMZObKeQ1Y)

this site has a couple of pictures from Starmakers

http://royalcorrespondent.com/2011/02/04/happy-birthday-to-hrh-crown-princess-mary-of-denmark-shes-39-years-old-tomorrow/
 (http://royalcorrespondent.com/2011/02/04/happy-birthday-to-hrh-crown-princess-mary-of-denmark-shes-39-years-old-tomorrow/)

Her accent when speaking English sounds really phony. She sounds completely different from her siblings.

I've heard that Mary speaks English the majority of the time. Her english in the documentary was awful,as you said how she  pronounced lineage was cringe worthy.


She mispronounced the word "lineage" in the DR documentary about royal jewels. She pronounced the word as two syllables: line-age. I don't know how a native English speaker can mess up the pronunciation of a simple word like that.

At least Mary kept her mouth shut before the engagement, unlike Marie.



Title: Princess Mary
Post by: June on April 21, 2012, 09:56:20 am
Well
I'm a dane and I can assure You that CP Mary speaks fluently danish. I do not know Anyone that is not astonished how fluently she speaks the language. Yes she has an english accent but most danish think an english accent is charming.

And CP Mary is the most popular royal person in Denmark and that says a lot as the Queen and CP Frederik is also extremely popular.

Frederik has said that his speach about his father spanking - it was a danish saying the one you love you spank - was meant as a fun part of the speach -  and he would never had made that joke if he had known how the reaction would turn out. The reaction was strong as it turned out to be yet another issue between the danes and Prince Henrik. Danish parents don't spank children but in Prince Henriks family it was a part of normal upbringing. So again difference in culture that makes the danes think less of Prince Henrik.

Frederiks relation with his mother is very close. They have recently been travelling on sledges through Greenland living in litttle tents and had a marvellous time.


With respect, let me 'assure you', you can't 'assure' me of anything without substantiation (ie credible links) of your submissions. Otherwise, I'll just treat them as opinion with which I disagree.  :flower:



Title: Princess Mary
Post by: HC on April 21, 2012, 02:08:26 pm
June
If You was a dane then we would not have this argument. That is why I can only "assure" you.

How can I prove this when You are not a dane and don't understand danish?

The only prove I can provide is the fact that CP Mary is more popular amongs the danes than the very popular Queen.

But nevertheless I will give you this link to a 9 hour documentary about the danish royals.

Perhaps one of the links work.
Enjoy.

http://www.dr.dk/nu/player/#/kongehuset-indefra/8592
http://www.dr.dk/DR1/Dokumentar/2010/Kongehuset_indefra/
http://www.billedbladet.dk/Kongelige/ArticleFolder/2010/3/Video%20Se%20Kongehuset%20indefra.aspx
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wFOhXplJo8M
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vK3dUAwzUQ8


Title: Princess Mary
Post by: Miss_Sonya on April 21, 2012, 02:15:03 pm
Margrethe and Frederik's trip together was official business May of last year. Taking an official trip together doesn't necessarily mean they are close and it's not like he would say he thinks his mother is a *female dog* in an interview. You may very well be correct but that is not the impression I get.


Title: Princess Mary
Post by: christina01 on April 21, 2012, 03:01:57 pm
I have also heard Mary's danish is a joke, and agree that simply because Fred and Marge  travelled together, doesnt mean squat. He is the CP, she the Queen, which means they DO have to do SOME things together  :cookie:


Title: Princess Mary
Post by: christina01 on April 21, 2012, 04:43:58 pm
HC, I receive a salary nothing compared to what Mary receives, and I can ill afford to give to charities. I don't care if Mary has a trillion dollars given her for spending on countless Prada handbags, she doesn't in earnest require all those expensive items, and perhaps should ask for less money, or donate a little more herself instead of expecting others in less comfortable positions to donate  :flower:


Title: Princess Mary
Post by: Lieblich on April 21, 2012, 05:23:35 pm
I unfortunately don't have a link, but there was a Danish show (talk show?) where a woman dress up as Mary, and imitated how she spoke. When she did it, the speech was very choppy and almost stuttering, and not smooth like others. I've sort of noticed the same in Mary's speech, though I can't attest to her pronunciation.


Title: Princess Mary
Post by: HC on April 21, 2012, 08:02:08 pm
Christina 01
CP Marys apanage is decided by the government and she is not supposed to give her apanage away to charity. If she gave away money for charity instead of buying a handbag I don't see how anyone of us would know about it as it is a personal matter.
If CP Mary gave away a bigger sum to charity from her apanage then I think this would be quite odd as she is then using her apanage to to other expenses than decided by the government.


Title: Princess Mary
Post by: HC on April 21, 2012, 08:28:59 pm
Miss Sonya
QMII and CP Frederik is very close and took recently on a private journey to experience Greenland together.

http://www.billedbladet.dk/Kongelige/ArticleFolder/2011/5/Margrethe%20og%20Frederiks%20hemmelige%20rejse%20til%20Gronland.aspx
Although the queen is turned 71, she not afraid to sleep in small huts when she and Frederick last week had a unique experience traveling together.
In deepest secret Queen Margrethe and Prince Frederik has just been together on a unique journey into the most desolate and strenuous territory of Denmark, namely, East Greenland. The Queen flew last week to Mestersvig on the coast of Greenland, 200 km north of Scoresbysund, for along with Frederick to experience the Danish Armed Forces working on the east side of Greenland. At the same time wanted to mark the Sirius patrol's 60-year anniversary.

The trip was planned in great secrecy, and very few knew that mother and son took place. It's very rare that Queen Margrethe and Prince Frederik have the chance to travel both.

- It was their desire to travel to Greenland, and it was possible for them to get going on this tour right now, tells the court's communications director, Lene Balleby.

Journey to the East Greenland fulfill several purposes. First and foremost it was a unique opportunity for mother and son to be together for a great, unique and fantastic experience. The Queen has said before that she was almost envious of Frederick, as he for four months in 2000 traveled by dogsled with the Sirius Patrol. Although she and Prince Henrik visited their oldest son up there then, but it was a very short walk, almost a tourist trip, where they brought homemade cake to the team.

Primitive conditions
This time, the queen wanted to experience it all first hand along with Frederick, and it was a great desire for her to travel in the right way, namely by dogsled.

Queen and Frederik stayed partly in the cabins, the Sirius Patrol is on the ice cap, but they also lived in some of the huts, the trappers have built and use when they go hunting.

There was not the slightest luxury of the trip and it was in every way a primitive form of travel, but it suited the queen well and she enjoyed every moment. Because even though she turned 71 years in april, the Queen Margrethe is still a fantastic fitness and good health. And it will take to cope with the hardships of the trip entailed.

For Crown Prince Frederik was particularly moving to see all the exciting things and the beautiful scenery along with his mother and show her the part of Denmark, he is so fond of. For both of them, it was one of the greatest experiences they have had together.

http://translate.google.dk/translate?sl=en&tl=da&js=n&prev=_t&hl=da&ie=UTF-8&layout=2&eotf=1&u=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.billedbladet.dk%2FKongelige%2FArticleFolder%2F2012%2F1%2FMargrethe%2520Taenk%2520at%2520Frederik%2520ville%2520have%2520mig%2520med.aspx&act=url

The queen has a close relationship with her eldest son, who last year took her on a tour to Greenland.
I am very touched that my eldest son wanted his ancient mother with him on such a trip. It was really, really exciting.

It was a happy and grateful Queen Margrethe, who in JJ Films huge organized program of DR on Sunday, "Queen Margrethe. Memories from Denmark, "said one of the most amazing experiences she has had with her eldest son. In May last year she and Frederik went on an eventful trip to Greenland, where they rode on a dogsled.

- It's exciting for a mom to be on such a trip with her adult son. The actual experience the Greenlandic nature as close as when you sit on a sled with 12 dogs in front. Either we lived in tiny huts, which Sirius Patrol uses, or we slept in tents on the snow in the ice. It was a fantastic experience, says the queen in the first of the two TV shows in which she looks back on her long reign.

It is apparent that the Queen has a close relationship with Frederik.

- He is very different than me in many ways. First and foremost he is representing a man and I am a woman. But we are now playing very well together, I think. He has a sense of the people I am very pleased that he has.

- He can talk to people better than - yes, I think he's better at talking to all kinds of people than I am. He is more immediate.


Title: Princess Mary
Post by: Alexandrine on April 21, 2012, 08:38:13 pm
HC can you find the speech Frederik gave for Margrethe's birthday a couple of years ago? When Mary kissed him.

I think he spoke of his bad relationship in the past and how it had improved.

At least I remember Frederik talking of not being very close to her during his childhood and improving when he married.


Title: Princess Mary
Post by: Alexandrine on April 21, 2012, 08:49:10 pm
sorry I split the topics as it was very off topic, my fault  :sorry:


Title: Princess Mary
Post by: Miss_Sonya on April 21, 2012, 09:07:20 pm
I'm sorry but Billed Bladet is not exactly a non bias credible source. They are very well known for being pro-royal. They are very similiar to Hello magazine. I have been giving my opinion. It's obvious that we disagree on this matter. I will end my part of this disagreement by simply saying none of us know for sure. The royal family are hardly going to give truthful tell all interviews. They will always maintain the image of the royal family. I don't think anyone can blame them for that but we will never know the entire truth about any of them or their relationships. Alexandrine is quite right,Frederik himself said that he had not been that close to his mother growing up. Perhaps that has changed and I sincerely hope it has and that they now have a great relationship.  :flower:


Title: Princess Mary
Post by: Lieblich on April 21, 2012, 09:17:39 pm
HC can you find the speech Frederik gave for Margrethe's birthday a couple of years ago? When Mary kissed him.

That kiss was a bit...much. Maxima's and Fred's faces afterwards were priceless.


Title: Princess Mary
Post by: Miss_Sonya on April 21, 2012, 09:19:20 pm
^ that kiss was an awful display. There are just some things you shouldn't do in public and that kiss was one of them


Title: Princess Mary
Post by: HC on April 21, 2012, 09:39:12 pm
Well CP Mary kissed CP Frederik after the speach. And I can understand it as it was such a beautiful speach.

CP Frederiks speach to QMII
Dear Mother

Every year on your birthday, you feel like a child on the day. In the center, happy, tense, 1 year older. This is how I feel myself - and I know you do too. You are not afraid to call yourself a "girl" and I see the girl's youthfulness and curiosity in you, be it on a walk in nature in Denmark, the Faroe Islands or on a sleigh ride in East Greenland - you are at all Never afraid to take your own path, even if it means a detour from the red carpet.

To have followed you as long as I can remember, has been like moving into a fairy tale .... It is far from over, but basically I felt at the beginning of history - safe. Being your child and your son was in my prime memory - the experience of getting running down through the rooms at Fredensborg and then turn left at the red salon and then sprint through the yellow salon and into the arms of you in your study.

Later it was the recitation of the Lord of the Rings before you ate dinner with papa. 3 times in 5 years reached Joachim and I to be drawn into this adventure universe - with dragons and wizards men, good and evil, ugly and beautiful, honor and glory and much more in this and many other adventures. You vivid imagination did for us with selection from scenes in the exciting books that you can draw and paint it on paper. Your creativity Joachim and I also benefitted from when we, as boys would dress up to the carnival at school, when the cat was beaten by the barrel. You immediately grabbed scissors glue and paper, and created effectively a knight costume or devil costume.

You feel at home and maneuver freely around among actors, directors and stage people on the stage in the preparations for setting up various theater and ballet pieces.

The creativity that I as a child connected with fantasy and adventure, has been the catalyst for your artistic work that you are now recognized and respected for. I am proud of you - besides being Her Majesty the Queen - also addressed as an artist.

When I became aware that I was not just your child - but also the queen's son, changed my understanding of things a bit. The reality of your son - the young man on one side - and the Crown Prince on the other hand, put the fate in relief.

Since it was just as if I fell out of the adventure. Until then I had always been able to find refuge in this world when reality knocked. I found it hard to see justice in that you could easily switch between two worlds, on the one side was the real world, and on the other side was the abstract world that you as an artist also moving in.

I sought my own answers to life's moments - in building life experience through the challenges of both intellectual and physical nature. Your support and interest for me I saw, for example, when you stood and cheered for me by a relay race in the woods south of Århus. You supported me during the period, not to intrude on my choice of roads. You respected them.

In subsequent years I was a fleeting guest in your home, but when we were together, and I told about my experiences, including being a frogman [navyseal] - about exciting travel - grew the connection between us as your empathy for my adventure.

Suddenly echoed the word "mother in law" in the aisle - it was a word that I had not considered before as a joy.

My joy and happiness in my marriage with Mary began a new chapter in my life. Your interest in your daughter in law started from the first time you met. Since that day you have always been there for Mary - you should know that she emmensely appreciate the confidence you show her, and everything you have together. And thank God for it, for who would be able to respond better to questions such as - how many hats needles must be in a broad-brimmed hat that the wind does not blow off at an official event in a country like Denmark, where it almost always blows - this example among many is a not insignificant portion of the interest you always show both your in-law.

Indirectly you show me that you follow not just mine, but Joachim's life as husbonds.

You follow my family and my development with heartfelt interest - I feel that we have given - and provides - inspiration to you in your daily work, and it is gratifying that you involve yourself in my generation's challenges.

It is inspiring to learn from the experience you have accumulated over your many years as its head of state to benefit from your advice that may be transmitted from you to me.

Today we seek advice from each other and we enjoy each other's views on different situations, whether small or large, domestic as well as foreign.

To consult you - and feel the benefit and appreciation of my advice - makes me happy, and I sense - benefit us both. I feel that the most important tools before - as now - has been: dialogue, joy and confidence.

Today we are both enhanced as humans as well as in our office.

You have always felt it as a challenge to deal with young children. But I think that my children's reaction indicates the opposite - they run Papa and you expectantly in the meeting on the lawn that separates the main palace of the Chancellery, when you come to visit - and tells with childlike eagerness about their recent accomplishments.

I look forward to that you also take them on a journey into Lord of the Rings and many other fanciful tales, Joachim and I became engrossed in when we were little more than 30 years ago.

Dear mother - it is always parents who say they are proud of their children. I know your father, my grandfather, King Frederik IX, would have repeated: "I'm proud of you my girl." But I stand here tonight as your eldest son - proud of his mother - and all she has achieved so far.

Dear Mother, you appear to be the mother, both of your sons will remember from their youth - a beautiful queen - a stalwart girl.

Congratulations.

http://www.billedbladet.dk/Kongelige/Dronning%20Margrethe%2070%20aar%20-%20lukket/ArticleFolder/2010/4/Her%20er%20hele%20Frederiks%20tale%20til%20sin%20mor.aspx


Title: Princess Mary
Post by: Alexandrine on April 21, 2012, 09:41:50 pm
 :thankyou: I thought he mentioned the bad relationship there but I see that he didn't. But I think it was a huge thing for him because it showed how close they had became no?

I hated the kiss it was so off  :o It wasn't about her at all.


Title: Princess Mary
Post by: HC on April 21, 2012, 09:53:42 pm
Alexandrine

QMII has said that she is not very fond of little children. But besides that I have the impression that she always has had a close relationship with Frederik.
I have the impression that QMII has supported Frederik and not intruded in his choices but has respected them.



Title: Princess Mary
Post by: Lieblich on April 21, 2012, 09:58:33 pm
Well CP Mary kissed CP Frederik after the speach. And I can understand it as it was such a beautiful speach.

I'm sorry, but you don't snog in a diplomatic setting. It wasn't a little peck, and Mary had to get up to do it, too. And as I said, Fred didn't look exactly look thrilled afterwards.


Title: Princess Mary
Post by: HC on April 21, 2012, 10:16:40 pm
Well Frederik was blushing afterwards.

This was the danish coverage from parexample the tabloid bt.

It was a proud Crown Princess Mary, who last Friday gave her husband a loving kiss, when he gave a speech for the Queen to mark her 70th birthday.

Crown Prince Frederik has been praised for his speech, which among others was about the close ties between his wife and mother, and Mary was so overwhelmed that she stood up and walked over to her husband during cheers, chants for Margrethe.

Here she leaned over his shoulder and gave him a kiss before she tip toed back to her place again.

- It was excellent, said a smiling Princess Mary to bt.dk about Frederick's speech Monday as she visited a kindergarten in connection with her work with 'Free of Bullying. "

In kindergarten she attended including a so-called 'child sitting' as to prevent bullying among children, but had thus also mind fall back on Friday's royal birthday party at bt.dk's questions about Frederick's speech.

http://www.bt.dk/royale/mary-om-frederiks-tale-fremragende


Title: Princess Mary
Post by: HC on April 21, 2012, 10:22:04 pm
And here tv2 about the kiss

There was certainly not a dry eye in the kingdom when Mary gave his Frederik a proper kiss after the crown prince's touching speech to Queen Margrethe on her 70th birthday.

 But it is far from the only memorable kiss in the royal family in 2010.

We have compiled a string of royal pouting mouths as they unfolded in Denmark in the year. With a few trips to Sweden, where we do not want to steer clear of the biggest event in the Nordic royal houses: marriage between Victoria and Daniel - romance for advanced.

This year's kisses
Which kiss do you deserve to be hailed as "The best royal kiss'? See the pictures in the gallery to the right and cast your vote.

Or drop a comment below if you can tell about a royal kiss, which has made a special impression on you in 2010.

http://go-dyn.tv2.dk/articlefornoejelse/id-35632905:kom-s%C3%A5-%C3%A5rets-bedste-kongelige-kys.html


Title: Princess Mary
Post by: Lieblich on April 21, 2012, 10:31:49 pm
Danish sources are more positive about Mary than British sources are about Kate. Of course they're not going to be negative about the kiss.


Title: Princess Mary
Post by: June on April 22, 2012, 05:49:45 am
June
If You was a dane then we would not have this argument. That is why I can only "assure" you.

How can I prove this when You are not a dane and don't understand danish?

The only prove I can provide is the fact that CP Mary is more popular amongs the danes than the very popular Queen.

But nevertheless I will give you this link to a 9 hour documentary about the danish royals.

Perhaps one of the links work.
Enjoy.

http://www.dr.dk/nu/player/#/kongehuset-indefra/8592
http://www.dr.dk/DR1/Dokumentar/2010/Kongehuset_indefra/
http://www.billedbladet.dk/Kongelige/ArticleFolder/2010/3/Video%20Se%20Kongehuset%20indefra.aspx
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wFOhXplJo8M
http://www.youtube.com

/watch?v=vK3dUAwzUQ8

Firstly, I'm not having any argument with you or anyone else. So, please don't state it as so.  :thankyou:

Secondly, whilst I understand that English is not your first language, kindly don't make assumptions about what I do or do not 'understand'. You don't know me to make any such assumption. With respect, and with the same concession by your admission to being Danish, please do not make assumptions about which you can 'assure' me of anything. You have no idea what will 'assure' me of anything; that is a unilateral decision on my part. I'm a very tricky customer indeed.  :tehe:

Thirdly, I don't have the time nor inclination to watch a '9 hour documentary' and especially not about Mary. She doesn't interest me that much. Mary does not have an official role in Oz, she's not important here, she's a diversion, that's all. I was asked to provide information about her first meeting with Fred, and I did that.

I'm far more interested in William and Kate, because, well, he's my country's future King. That is meaningful, just as Mary is meaningful to you, obviously.

Fourthly, it is not necessary for me to hear Mary's Danish. Objective articles assessing same would have sufficed. You are one Dane asserting that Mary's Danish is near-perfect and singing her praises about all manner of her being. Do you work for Mary or do you know her? It's an honest question.

There is another forum whereby Danish members, whom I consider highly intelligent, proclaim her substandard skill with the Danish language. You are but one. So, I'll go with the former, and the others here, such as Lieblich.

Having said all of that, I respect your right to believe in your own mind that Mary is perfection personified, and thank you for going to the trouble with all the links.  :thumbsup:

@ Lieblich @ chris:  :thankyou:

@ chris: did you read the links I provided?  :BFF:

Now, I'm off to do some work ...



Title: Princess Mary
Post by: christina01 on April 22, 2012, 09:47:54 am
Sure did June  :hug:, and good post btw  :thumbsup:


Title: Princess Mary
Post by: christina01 on April 22, 2012, 09:52:44 am
HC you are repeating yourself. And, um, we would know about Mary buying a handbag since the woman is photographed every five seconds with a brand new one!!!
Doesn't Mary have her own brain? I am sure she can also donate money to charity from any incomes she received, despite what the government tells her  :-


Title: Princess Mary
Post by: HC on April 22, 2012, 11:56:44 am
Christina01
I don't understand you.
First of all in Denmark we don't do charity. We pay 60 pct in incometax and everyone that don't have a job get subsidiary from the state. Access to hospitals is free so is access to universities.

Annually there is voluntiers that on a specific day collect from door to door to par example red cros. People often give 50 kr. This donation people make in private. If my neighbour gave 20 kr. I would never know. And if CP Mary gave a donation I would not know either.


Title: Princess Mary
Post by: christina01 on April 22, 2012, 12:00:40 pm
All I stated was that instead of buying so many useless Prada handbags and shoes and designer clothes which she really doesn't need, why not just think of others in less fortunate positions. You don't have to understand me at all HC. I am not asking you to.  :flower:


Title: Princess Mary
Post by: HC on April 22, 2012, 12:21:55 pm
June
I make the assumption that You dont understand danish because you would know that CP Mary speaks fluently danish if you did understand danish. That is just logic. Hence the logic there is no personal attack on you. Just logic.

You are guessing that I have some near connection because I say CP Mary speaks fluently danish. Well there are only 5 million danes and I am one of them. The danes are more royal than the norwegiens and the swedes and the english. And CP Mary is the most popular royal in Denmark even though QMII is very popular too. CP Mary wouldn't be so popular if she didn't speak the language. (I'm sorry to say that in that aspect the danes are very intolerant.)

Here is an article from 2003 where it states that CP Mary speaks danish at a conversationlevel.
http://www.bt.dk/royale/mary-taler-perfekt-dansk

Here is an article also from 2003 that says CP Mary after 1 month of studying speaks danish to the grade 10 (in a scale from 00 to 13)
http://www.bt.dk/royale/mary-taler-dansk-til-et-10-tal


Title: Princess Mary
Post by: HC on April 22, 2012, 12:37:46 pm
Christina01

People in less fortunate situations in Denmark get subsidiary from the state. The subsidiary is so high that many people dont bother to work but prefer to sit at home. While restaurants, hotels, farmers cant find any labour.

If I give charity I don't tell anyone about. Neither do my neighbour. If CP Mary gave money to a charity why should we know about it? When a private person gives charity it is a private matter. When par example a famous actris gives charity it is also a private matter.


Title: Princess Mary
Post by: pechoolo11 on April 23, 2012, 12:22:30 am


Those article links are from 2003. In the first one, the source is Per Thornit, hardly an unbiased source. In the second link, the teacher assessed Mary's Danish based on the little bit of rehearsed Danish that Mary spoke at the engagement press conference.

Danish posters on another forum were critical about Mary's Danish skills last August, when Mary was in Africa. They criticized her Danish in these two links:

http://www.bt.dk/bttv/clip/19418 (http://www.bt.dk/bttv/clip/19418)

http://nyhederne.tv2.dk/article.php/id-43068259:dybt-ber%C3%B8rt-mary-i-indsamlingsshow.html (http://nyhederne.tv2.dk/article.php/id-43068259:dybt-ber%C3%B8rt-mary-i-indsamlingsshow.html)





Title: Princess Mary
Post by: Miss_Sonya on April 23, 2012, 01:54:41 am
^ In the African trip you mentioned,according to the Danes I spoke to Mary mispronounced a word and ended up calling them 'masturbating Africans' instead of malnurished Africans.


Title: Princess Mary
Post by: YooperModerator on April 23, 2012, 02:56:17 am
 :tehe: :tehe: lol
oopsy!


Title: Princess Mary
Post by: christina01 on April 23, 2012, 03:22:07 am
What a silly mistake after all these years living in Denmark.  :snob:


Title: Princess Mary
Post by: Miss_Sonya on April 23, 2012, 03:29:56 am
^ what a silly mistake for someone so fluent  :-


Title: Princess Mary
Post by: christina01 on April 23, 2012, 03:31:34 am
About as fluent as I am  :cookie:


Title: Princess Mary
Post by: Miss_Sonya on April 23, 2012, 03:33:11 am
me too  :flower:


Title: Princess Mary
Post by: christina01 on April 23, 2012, 03:36:06 am
I thought you were fluent in Danish Sonya???  :spy:


Title: Princess Mary
Post by: Miss_Sonya on April 23, 2012, 03:46:04 am
nope and ever claimed to be,I rely on danish friends. I think they are much been judges on the danish language then I.  8)


Title: Princess Mary
Post by: minime on April 23, 2012, 01:31:52 pm
^ In the African trip you mentioned,according to the Danes I spoke to Mary mispronounced a word and ended up calling them 'masturbating Africans' instead of malnurished Africans.


 :laugh:   lmao



Title: Princess Mary
Post by: HC on April 23, 2012, 07:29:06 pm
Peechoolo

There is not any critisizm in the links.

The first link in an interview of CP Mary about the hunger crisis.

The next link is from the national collection show where CP Mary is intervied directly from Africa.

Both interviews is in danish.


Title: Princess Mary
Post by: HC on April 23, 2012, 07:33:01 pm
Miss Sonyi

I don't think CP Mary have mispronounced a word and ended up calling them 'masturbating Africans' instead of malnurished Africans.

In danish those two words dont sound similar at all.


Title: Princess Mary
Post by: HC on April 23, 2012, 07:45:50 pm
Peecholoo

CP Marys language skill is not an issue in Denmark, so of course it is difficult to find articles about.

Here an article from tabloid bt
http://www.bt.dk/royale/begejstret-pind-mary-er-en-stjerne

There is no doubt that Crown Princess Mary's first live performance from Ethiopien gave a two-digit million for Saturday night's big charity for famine victims in the Horn of Africa, says the BT reporter in Adis Abbaba that watched Crown Princess' television debut together with an excited Minister of Development Søren Pind on a computer.

Princess Mary was both relieved and happy after her debut on live television, late Saturday evening.
It is the first time Crown Princess is live on TV, where she is being interviewed by a presenter, and according to BT sources on site the Princess was somewhat nervous before her television debut.
 
- The interview took place at the Hotel Sheraton Adis, and was followed by an enthusiastic Minister of Development Søren Pind, says BT's broadcast reporter, Andreas Kark, who saw with the Minister's computer in the luxury hotel restaurant.
 
- Søren Pind was excited about the Crown Princess and exclaimed: Wow she is good. She is a star!

BT reporter met afterwards the Crown Princess and praised her for her TV appearance:
 
 - Thank you, I'm very happy to hear, said Princess Mary, who was clearly relieved that things had gone so well.
The Crown Princess and Søren Pind's delegation, there is no doubt that the Crown Princess' efforts have earned an extra in the collection of millions on television Saturday night.
 
- Relief agencies themselves had counted 50 million and hoped for 70 million. But 40 of the 110 million came after Crown Princess live performance, so it will not be to assume that her efforts had produced a two-digit amount extra for emergency relief organizations, reports the BTs journalist Andreas Kark.
 
Today is the Crown Princess and Minister of Development of minister Søren Pind's delegation greeted with singing, cheering and dancing on their tour of agricultural projects in small villages where one tries to teach people to use resources more efficiently and establish irrigation systems to put an end to the drought that has triggered the greatest famine in the Horn of Africa in 60 years.
 
Tonight returns delegation with Crown Princess Mary and Development Minister Søren Pind back to Denmark.



Title: Princess Mary
Post by: HC on April 23, 2012, 08:15:47 pm
Peechoolo

Here is an article from 2012. The newspaper Berlingske about Historian Mr. Sørensen view on CP Mary. He says CP Mary speaks good danish while Queen Ingrid learned the language perfectly. (Ingrid was from Sweeden so she would not have the problems with accent).

http://www.b.dk/nationalt/historiker-mary-gaar-i-ingrids-fodspor

Historian: CP Mary walks in the footsteps of Queen Ingrid.

"She walks much in Ingrid's footsteps. They were both Crown Princesses in a relatively young age. And they chose both of them right from the start to great lengths to show that they will be Danish. Mary is good at Danish, and Ingrid learned the language perfect. And Crown Princess Mary is very similar to Queen Ingrid. Like Ingrid, when she was Princess, Mary puts emphasis on showing that she is Danish, explains historian.

Mary turns today Sunday 40 years. She was Denmark's Crown Princess in 2004 when she married Crown Prince Frederik. And since she has in a wide extent presented herself in the same way that Queen Ingrid did when she was Princess. This explains Sørensen, external lecturer at Copenhagen University and expert on the royal family.

 "She walks much in Ingrid's footsteps. They were both Crown Princesses in a relatively young age. And they chose both of them right from the start to great lengths to show that they will be Danish. Mary is good at Danish, and Ingrid learned the language perfect. And as Ingrid in her time, Mary is now very involved in the Danish society, "he says.

 Ingrid and now Mary can almost be seen as prototypes of the modern Danish Crown Princess, says Sørensen.

 "Crown Prince Couples now has a role where they must embrace community wide and interested in many different subjects. It was good to Ingrid, and Mary can be the same," he says.

 It has become more difficult to be Princess
 Mary has done well and is a popular Crown Princess. And this despite the fact that it has actually been more difficult to be Crown Prince today than in earlier times.

 "It is much more demanding today than, say back in the 1900s, where they lived a different secluded life, and basically just had the task to ensure the succession," says Sørensen.

 "Today we have the media who is very interested in what the Crown Prince Coupe does. Crown Princess is thus therefore become a public person in a different way."


Title: Princess Mary
Post by: Lieblich on April 23, 2012, 08:18:31 pm
Substitute "Kate" in place of "Mary" and I don't see much difference in terms of substance, except that Mary has been on the scene longer.


Title: Princess Mary
Post by: minime on April 23, 2012, 08:40:56 pm
But I must admit Mary does more work on one day than Kate has ever done in her life


Title: Princess Mary
Post by: Lieblich on April 23, 2012, 08:54:35 pm
Yes, but even then it's a low number overall in the year. I think her engagement count is usually in the 100s somewhere? But don't quote me on that, as I'm having trouble finding the numbers. And even the number of engagements is usually fluffed up by counting the kids' birthdays and whatnot.

Mary might be doing better, but that doesn't mean she's doing that well.


Title: Princess Mary
Post by: Lieblich on April 23, 2012, 09:37:12 pm
Sorry for double, timed out.

Miss Sonyi

I don't think CP Mary have mispronounced a word and ended up calling them 'masturbating Africans' instead of malnurished Africans.

In danish those two words dont sound similar at all.

My Danish friends say that malnourished=underernærede, while Mary pronounced it as onanerede, which is masturbating.


Title: Princess Mary
Post by: pechoolo11 on April 23, 2012, 10:20:21 pm
Peechoolo

There is not any critisizm in the links.

The first link in an interview of CP Mary about the hunger crisis.

The next link is from the national collection show where CP Mary is intervied directly from Africa.

Both interviews is in danish.


The Danish posters were criticizing how Mary's Danish sounded in those interviews. I didn't mean that those links were of videos of Danish posters criticizing Mary's Danish. Anyhow, the Danish posters said that Mary's Danish sounded very poor in those interviews from Africa. I think that the first link (BT link) has the "masturbating" mispronunciation.


Title: Princess Mary
Post by: christina01 on April 24, 2012, 06:56:35 am
Minime and Lieblich,  :thumbsup: :thumbsup: you are both spot on about both Kate and Mary not doing much work. I agree that Mary does work marginally more than waity Katey, but only marginally. Waity couldn't work in an iron lung if you ask me, and I spoke to a English friend of mine yesterday, who informed me that Kate is becoming increasing unpopular, and there are rumblings, because people are questioning her role. She has been in the family for a year now, but what has she done? Made one solo speech, which I believe took two and a half mins, and for which she looked at her notes something like 26 times  :laugh:. OMG my 16 year old daughter in year 11 makes 20 minute speeches at school, and if she looked at her notes that often, she would get a failing grade. Well, that is my opinion of Waity. One huge fail! Mary is better at speeches but the woman is greedy. On another board I think they counted that she has over 400 pairs of shoes, and over 100 pairs of boots!!! WTH, how is that justifiable??


Title: Princess Mary
Post by: Miss_Sonya on April 24, 2012, 06:59:07 pm
Sorry for double, timed out.

Miss Sonyi

I don't think CP Mary have mispronounced a word and ended up calling them 'masturbating Africans' instead of malnurished Africans.

In danish those two words dont sound similar at all.

My Danish friends say that malnourished=underernærede, while Mary pronounced it as onanerede, which is masturbating.
Thank you Lieblich,I was told the same.


Title: Princess Mary
Post by: HC on April 24, 2012, 07:33:53 pm
Peechoolo

If the mispronunciation was in the first link, then I do not agree there is a mispronunciation  :hi:


Title: Princess Mary
Post by: HC on April 24, 2012, 07:57:48 pm
Christina01

I have not read that CP Mary has 100 shoes.

In Denmark the discussion has been that CP Mary is too perfect  :tehe:

A Naturel talent in royal etikette says newspaper Politiken.
She functions perfect in the role. Maybe almost too perfect.

politiken.dk/indland/ECE1529650/mary-fyl...i-kongelig-etikette/

When Crown Princess Mary and Crown Prince Frederik last year in January, became parents of twins, they followed the tradition of the royal house and showed the newborns in the Rigshospitalet foyer.

Bathed in television lights Mary replied patiently for the press questions about Frederick's support during labor, differences in twins' temperament and the little princes jaundice.

A task that most women who have just gotten out of her confinement, probably prefer to see themselves free of.

But Mary knows what is expected of her as a princess and even future queen. Or, as Secretary General of the Danish Refugee Council Andreas Kamm puts it, she more than lives up to its commitments.

Provides more than expected
That he experienced when she as a patron of the organization visits refugee camps out in the world, or at home when she sits in a circle with a group of refugees and tells the refugees that she also thinks that Danish is a difficult language.

"She always gives more than we have previously agreed with the court. Provides up to several interviews, making them longer and are in general available beyond what you can expect. It is very admirable, "said Andreas Kamm.

Also historian Sebastian Olden-Jørgensen, Copenhagen University, praises Mary for having met expectations:

"She meets all the requirements that the Danes can make. She is classy, ​​and so she understands to talk to all people. "

"The kind of intelligence can be learned only in limited circumstances. It is something you are born with and it is a big plus for the royal house that Mary possesses the ability, "he said.

A scoop for the Royal Family
No one could be in doubt that Crown Prince Frederik had followed his heart when he, 14 May 2004 was waiting for his future wife before the altar in Copenhagen's cathedral.

What few could have know, was that the woman from the other side of the globe, would be as much as a scoop not only for him but for the entire royal family.

With four children in a row she has fully secured the succession, and besides, she has according to the royal experts, together with Queen Margrethe, her large share of the monarchy's popularity.

When it comes to the crown prince, his smile widened, his back straightened, and perhaps it is by leaning on her naturalness that dealings with the press gradually drops him less awkward.

Or, as the queen put it, when she in her speech at the wedding was talking about when he found his true self:

"It happened when you met Mary. Then there was spring in your mind, and it flourished around you. "

Perhaps the Crown Princess, which Sebastian Olden-Jørgensen's words, "never caught on the wrong foot," seems almost too perfect.

Solidarity
Gender Researcher at Roskilde University Karen Sjørup would like that Mary showed more solidarity with her gender sisters.

"When Mary appears with a model figure after giving birth to twins while fulfilling all her tasks she can give other women inferiority complexes."

"She is an unattainable icon," said Karen Sjørup which calls for more honesty.

"The conflict between work and family is a big dilemma in other women's lives, and therefore it would be good if Mary also allowed herself to express the vulnerability," she says.


Title: Princess Mary
Post by: Lieblich on April 24, 2012, 08:09:05 pm
Christina01

I have not read that CP Mary has 100 shoes.

It has been tallied, pictures included, on RD. And it's well over 100.


Title: Princess Mary
Post by: HC on April 24, 2012, 08:30:04 pm
Lieblich

Perhaps You could link to the alleged article, then we can all count the shoes.  :tehe:


Title: Princess Mary
Post by: Lieblich on April 24, 2012, 08:34:47 pm
It is not an article.

http://royaldish.com/index.php?topic=8711.0

They count 342. They have pictures to prove it. If that doesn't satisfy you, I don't know what will. I leave it to you to find the threads on the expensive purses, and the expensive clothes not worn more than two or three times.

But I guess since it's not an article, it doesn't count as true?


Title: Princess Mary
Post by: HC on April 24, 2012, 09:09:31 pm
Thanks Lieblich

I'm sure member of this forum you mention has had a splendid time counting shoes. I have not counted the shoes, as I think the number should perhaps be understood as the number of shoes in 10 years.

Instead I will defend CP Mary as some danes do in this article  8)

http://go-dyn.tv2.dk/articlefornoejelse/id-48024068:danskerne-forsvarer-mary.html

Crown Princess Mary is too perfect? The question we set Monday to debate the article "Expert: Mary is too perfect."

Gender Research at Roskilde University Karen Sjørup called for in the article that the Crown Princess was more cohesive with her peers sisters who juggle careers, children, relationships and household duties.

 And with the following quotes made Karen Sjørup off in earnest debate:

"When Mary comes with the model figure after giving birth to twins while doing all her tasks so she can get to give other women inferiority complexes," says Karen Sjørup which calls for more honesty.

"The conflict between work and family is a big dilemma in other women's lives, and therefore it would be good if Mary also allowed herself to express the vulnerability," she says.

Outraged Facebook users
And that was something that brought arouses strong feelings among our Facebook users. At this writing the article has generated 130 comments, and most of them written by women who defend the Crown Princess.

"If people have inferiority complexes about her, it's because people's own problem, that she can not take care of, she should just stick to herself, for she is doing well and we can only be proud of her. Moreover envy a nasty things, "says Diana Glad Jorgensen.

And Lotte Blom supports:

"Let Mary be in peace and do not be jealous of her. She does it beautifully. 4 children and of course a lot of help, so she can work very well again. We could not wish for anyone better, and I do not think anyone have inferiority complexes about her. "

Anne Lindholm says:

"Mary is an incredibly beautiful woman and a REAL princess and that she has the energy to be it could be because she has some help with the daily chores. I like her to have help in the job she has: that being a perfect wife, mother and Crown Princess. "

Still others claim that it is the media that makes her perfect and that she really just ordinary.

"She is not perfect. She has lost one of her shoes on a state visit, the hat has flown from her, and she had forgotten an address once. However, it is annoying that the media put her up as an idol and a role model for the is unattainable to be like her when you are a mere mortal with 8-16 jobs and no nannies, "writes, for example. Lisa Christiansen.

And then there are those who were really mad:

"Now the fuckin stop! Too perfect!, Hooray for Jantelov [danish expression about envy], what about the handball boys [recently won EM or WM], they are not too slim too clever, let us immediately shoot everyone and everything down rather than to rejoice that we have a crown princess, who have mastered the *poo*, not *poo* as a gender researcher! just the title says it all: gender researcher ... god father to the toilet [danish expression]! "writes Klaus Qvist Mortensen.


Title: Princess Mary
Post by: Lieblich on April 24, 2012, 09:14:06 pm
Thanks Lieblich

I'm sure member of this forum you mention has had a splendid time counting shoes. I have not counted the shoes, as I think the number should perhaps be understood as the number of shoes in 10 years.


If you can't see the bigger picture that 342 shoes indicates, I can only wish you well. :flower: I'm not the one paying for the shoes, after all. Just don't expect me to be impressed by her.


Title: Princess Mary
Post by: BelleDeconstructed on April 24, 2012, 10:49:06 pm
Mary's shopaholic tendencies are disgusting and even more so when compared to how she neglects her daughters, especially Isabella. Its a shame she will never realize that money and things will never bring her happiness.


Title: Princess Mary
Post by: Miss_Sonya on April 25, 2012, 08:36:31 am
^ I *despise* to have to link a rag mag  but it looks like I have no choice in this case. It's the only place I can still find the numbers. Here is a link showing how much Mary and Fred spent last year alone. If I'm not mistaken it's only what they spent on personal items (clothes,holidays,ect) and does not include staff salaries though I may be wrong about that.
http://ekstrabladet.dk/flash/kongelige/danskekongelige/article1716735.ece


Title: Princess Mary
Post by: Miss_Sonya on April 25, 2012, 08:48:21 am
OK,just reread it and NO it does not include staff salaries. If you average the money monthly they spent over $177K US dollars a month just on luxury goods.


Title: Princess Mary
Post by: christina01 on April 25, 2012, 11:01:36 am
HC Thank you for the effort you made in attempting to sway us over towards CP Mary, but it won't work. Every photo of the woman she has a new pair of shoes, a new jacket, new boots. The mind boggles. She looks arrogant, and you don't need to speak Danish to understand that. The Danes might think she is too perfect, and that is great for you. We in Aus, (with the exception of a few), don't. Many of us see her for what she has become. Egotistical, greedy, a spendthrift, and hyprocritical. If you Danes like her so much, kindly keep her over there, instead of allowing her to return to Australia to sponge off us for freebie holidays and the like. She is no longer our citizen therefore should not be coming here in an official capacity paid for by the public purse. I am very happy you appear to love her so much. She does look great dressed to the nines in her expensive Prada shoes and bags and designer dresses whilst millions of people she professes to care about starve in third world nations.  :thumbsdown:


Title: Princess Mary
Post by: Miss_Sonya on April 25, 2012, 12:58:35 pm
 :thumbsup: Couldn't have put it better christina


Title: Princess Mary
Post by: HC on April 25, 2012, 08:52:00 pm
Miss Sonya

I read the article with interest.

In this article the expenses are described for both QMII and CP Frederik:
http://ekstrabladet.dk/flash/kongelige/danskekongelige/article243135.ece

Så meget bruger kongefamilien
Dronning Margrethe og prins Henrik:
- Varer indkøbt i løbet af fem år: 126.577.960,65 kr.
- Indkøb i snit pr. år.: 25.315.592,13 kr.
- Indkøb pr. dag året rundt: 69.357,78 kr.
- Samlet moms-refusion de seneste fem år: 25.315.592,13 kr.

Kronprins Frederik og kronprinsesse Mary
- Varer indkøbt i løbet af fem år: 35.517.902,10 kr.
- Indkøb i snit pr. år.: 7.103.580,42 kr.

- Indkøb pr. dag året rundt: 19.461,86 kr.

- Samlet momsrefusion de seneste fem år: 7.103.580,42 kr.

If we follow your conclusions QMII apparently buys 3 to 4 times more shoes and clothes than CP Mary  :tehe:


Title: Princess Mary
Post by: HC on April 25, 2012, 08:57:25 pm
Christina01

I'm sorry that you don't like CP Mary in Australia.

The danish government will probably want CP Mary and CP Frederik to lead more business delegations to Australia, because it means a lot for danish export.


Title: Princess Mary
Post by: christina01 on April 26, 2012, 01:19:23 am
HC

The Danish Government are most welcome to do anything they wish with Mary and Fred regarding Danish Export as long as they don't expect the Australian people to fund it, which was definitely the case last time those two sponges were here just prior to Christmas. By all means send them anywhere they wish to go, under the guise of 'working', but please do not expect the host country to cough up.  :tehe:


Title: Princess Mary
Post by: christina01 on April 26, 2012, 01:20:19 am
:thumbsup: Couldn't have put it better christina
Why TY my friend  :hug: :hug:


Title: Princess Mary
Post by: Alexandrine on April 27, 2012, 03:06:29 pm
May I act as the devil advocate here?

How many events does Mette in a year? More or less 100. How many does Daniel? I don't think he reaches 100 (I know he is new but if we don't give Kate time off he shouldn't either). If we count events done by king/queen consorts in Scandinavia the number won't be much higher.

http://www.kongehuset.no/c27262/nyhet/vis.html?tid=100134 Annual report done by the norwegian court. Sonja did 99 event last year and Mette 63.

We cannot compare Mette's and Mary's calendar last year due to the pregnancy but other years would be kind of similar.

About the shoes, all of them own lots of them, and many dresses, handbags, sunglasses... I think it's kind of stupid to criticise them for buying expensive things. I criticise Kate when she does it because they try to sell us that she is one of us and buys cheap things and recycles which first it's not true as she buys things that an average person cannot buy and second all royals recycle.

If they get money from the state as pay from their work they can do what they want with the money and they also have to represent their country wearing good outfits so for me having expensive clothes is not good or bad per se.

All scandi princesses buy expensive clothes too. Let's remember how many frilly valentino dresses Mette has or the many saab dresses that Victoria prefers nowadays. 


Title: Princess Mary
Post by: Lieblich on April 27, 2012, 04:46:58 pm
That's why I don't like Mette-Marit. I am more forgiving of Daniel as I believe that Carl Gustav doesn't like him, and is trying to block him in certain ways. Daniel recently attended an event with CG but there was no mention of him on the official site and no photo.

I simply know more about Mary, and am able to comment.


Title: Princess Mary
Post by: Alexandrine on April 27, 2012, 04:59:00 pm
I didn't try to give the feeling that it was wrong to criticise Mary but the Scandis have a similiar behaviour in respect to clothes and work imo. She just does what she is asked to.

Not that there are other things that can and should be criticised  :flower:

That happened to Daniel?  :- Maybe he was only there in training or something like that.


Title: Princess Mary
Post by: Alexandrine on April 27, 2012, 05:55:06 pm
Maxima did 108 events last year http://www.koninklijkhuis.nl/nieuws/nieuwsberichten/2012/april/jaaroverzicht-koninklijk-huis-2011/

The figure may be wrong as I counted quickly.


Title: Princess Mary
Post by: Lieblich on April 27, 2012, 06:20:04 pm
I think (not sure if correct) that the Dutch don't count engagements the way the Brits do - the Brits count every single event, the Dutch count by day. (?) Even so, it shows how little both sides do, considering what they get paid.


Title: Princess Mary
Post by: Miss_Sonya on April 27, 2012, 06:36:27 pm
Honestly I think most CPs are work shy. It's just some are worse then others.


Title: Princess Mary
Post by: June on April 27, 2012, 06:56:41 pm
Christina01

I'm sorry that you don't like CP Mary in Australia.

The danish government will probably want CP Mary and CP Frederik to lead more business delegations to Australia, because it means a lot for danish export.

Well, fortunately for the Australian taxpayer, the Danish Gvt doesn't dictate to the Australian Gvt who comes to our country to promote 'danish export'. Sorry, not going to happen, The Australian Gvt determines whether that is viable.  :sorry:

Mary has had her final visit on taxayer money, I'm willing to wager a bet on it. She was invited here by a republican PM to promote the most unpopular tax in recent history, but alas, it didn't work.

We have a royal family who politely ask to visit our shores, the most senior of which is our Head of State. That would be the BRF - not the Danish Royal Family. I'll tell you a little secret: even our Head of State, the incomparable, universally respected QEII, only comes here when she is invited by our Gvt. That applies to her heirs and successors according to law, also. In fact, her newly-married grandson, Prince William, was recently knocked back for a visit here with his new wife. So, in what parallel universe do you think Mary will be pushing in?  :sly:

And before you ask: I'm involved in politics, got contacts. So, yes, I know what I'm talking about.

Look, I totally respect and "get it" that you adore CP Mary. She is important to you and your country.  :thumbsup: But please don't impute her public position and value to the Danes onto Australians because it doesn't exist.  :thumbsdown: Just because Mary was born in Australia doesn't make her an Australian in quasi- public office. She's a Danish citizen, a foreign dignitary with no role here. That is the reality.

She really is meaningless to Australians, except for a few fawning fans who appear to have a proclivity to fill their heads with such nonsense as royal romances.  No one here with any intellect takes Mary seriously on a personal level. That is not to say she isn't respected by intellectuals and others, but that is an entirely different matter.

@ christina: brilliant posts!  :worship:

@ Lieblich & others who, IMO, try to put some objectvity about Mary into discussion:  :thumbsup:


Title: Princess Mary
Post by: HC on April 27, 2012, 08:48:15 pm
Christina 01 
The danish government has recently been very proactive. They want to support danish export and has therefor asked the danish royal family to lead delegations of different danish busineses. We are talking visits with the Trademinister and danish busineses to visit USA, Russia, Australia and Vietnam.  And the experience is that the danish royals pave the way and open doors and makes a big difference in this aspect.

I would never blame CP Mary for any of these visits. I don't think CP Mary has decided that the danish Trademinister and 50 danish businesess should travel to Australia. Perhaps it was her idee. I don't know. But the decision was made by the government.

Neither would I blame her for any expenses the australian government might decide to spend. And I don't think these expenses have been her ide. And I am sure the decision was taken by the australian government.

So if anyone should blame some one, then blame the ones that has been making the decision the danish and australian government.  8)


Title: Princess Mary
Post by: June on April 28, 2012, 09:31:36 am
^ I'm not blaming Mary for anything. But if you are just trying to create argument, you can forget it.  :June:

You are continually implying that the Australian Gvt is going to have Mary here on official visits. Again, I'm telling you that is not going to happen, whether you want to accept it or not. She has no official role here. Don't extrapolate one opportunistic visit as some kind of public role which doesn't exist. It will never exist.

You can live in fantasy land all you want but stop trying to make it reality, please.  bignono Otherwise, I'll consider you a troll.

You are not Australian, and have demonstrated that you have no understanding of the workings of Australian politics or law. Until you do, then kindly stop making aggravating statements implying that you do. Thank you. If you continue, I'm going to continue to call you out for the fantasist that you are.

What the Danish Gvt does with its trade elsewhere has no impact on decisions made in Australia. The Australian Gvt is not permitted under the Constitution to have visits by Danish royalty in addition to, or in lieu of, that of the BRF.

The Gvt has to proceed with extreme caution. The public won't tolerate visits from two royal houses, nor is it permitted under the Constitution. Even if Mary is visiting as a dignitary, it can't work because she has no political power. Mary cannot make decisions on behalf of the Danish Gvt, assuming Danish trade relations are important to Australia. But I have to tell you, they are not. Our biggest trading partners are Asian and that is not going to change any time soon. There is simply no justification whatever for Mary to continue to visit Australia in any official capacity.

Those other countries you cited do not have the British monarch as the Head of State. What they do has no impact whatever to Australia.

And this statement: 'But the decision was made by the government.' is misleading at best. Australian taxpayers, nor the Gvt made any such decision. We are a free country. If the Danish Gvt wants to pay for officials to visit here to follow your CP around, fine. But the Australian public does not pay for it.

Again, you are imputing your wishes about Mary's role onto Australians. I'm sorry to ruin your fantasy, but it's just not reality.  Mary is not the global power player you concoct in your own mind. :cookie:


Title: Princess Mary
Post by: Miss_Sonya on April 28, 2012, 10:19:32 am
When Mary comes to the US she usually doesn't even make the news. Most here have never heard of her.


Title: Princess Mary
Post by: June on April 28, 2012, 10:23:57 am
 :worship:

Wow, I'll just bet she hates that!  :laugh:  :tehe:


Title: Princess Mary
Post by: christina01 on April 28, 2012, 10:26:51 am
 :hi: Thanks to your brilliant post June, I do not have to reply at all, for you have sufficiently covered it. Thankyou  :hug:. Mary is a leech, and not welcome by the majority of normal thinking people in this country, and I wouldn't be at all surprised if she did request some sort of role between Denmark and Australia.

I also bow to your superior posting June, so brilliantly worded as ever  :worship:


Title: Princess Mary
Post by: christina01 on April 28, 2012, 10:28:02 am
When Mary comes to the US she usually doesn't even make the news. Most here have never heard of her.
You're fortunate Sonya. We still have to put up with her sponging off the tax payer here  :ick:


Title: Princess Mary
Post by: Miss_Sonya on April 28, 2012, 10:28:50 am
I can honestly only remember Mary on the news her 1 time and that was when the Finnish PM's hubby supposedly looked at her non-existant boobs. She was the 'joke of the day'


Title: Princess Mary
Post by: Miss_Sonya on April 28, 2012, 10:31:02 am
@ christina we still pay for her security when she comes here even tho most dont know how she is. Its like that with all 'hi-profile' visits. I don't see how she's hi profile since we dont know her but since she's royal she's considered hi profile.


Title: Princess Mary
Post by: christina01 on April 28, 2012, 10:33:05 am
Sonya, nothing would surprise me. It boggles the mind how much host countries fork out  :sly:


Title: Princess Mary
Post by: June on April 28, 2012, 10:45:58 am
:hi: Thanks to your brilliant post June, I do not have to reply at all, for you have sufficiently covered it. Thankyou  :hug:. Mary is a leech, and not welcome by the majority of normal thinking people in this country, and I wouldn't be at all surprised if she did request some sort of role between Denmark and Australia.

I also bow to your superior posting June, so brilliantly worded as ever  :worship:

 :shy: Thank you, it's just that Australian politics and law are topics I know a thing or two about.  :BFF:

The Constitution is at the apex of our law, overriding all jurisprudence. As you know, no Gvt can override it for any reason, unless a referendum is successful. But we won't be moving from the BRF to the DRF as Head of State. So, no matter what, neither Mary nor the Danish Gvt can give Mary an official role.  :bored:

The Queen, her heirs and successors according to law, have a right to visit. Mary may visit for holidays as she pleases, but she has no automatic right to come on official visits. The Gvt may invite her, but let's get real: it cannot be as a usurping of the BRF. A challenge to support the Constitution can be made in the High Court. But it won't happen anyway.

@ Sonya: Mary was the butt of jokes in Oz too.  :tehe:

All foreign dignitaries have their security paid for in democratic countries. It would be a national embarrassment for any country should such persons ever be attacked on home soil.

@ chris: don't distress yourself.  :hug:  Mary won't be visiting again in any official capacity for a long time (if at all), I feel confident. She may come to support charities, but that won't be as an invitation from the Gvt. Once the Coalition resumes power, they will be too busy doing important work, which won't include useless visits from Danish royalty.  :June: And, they will want to re-build relations with the BRF.


Title: Princess Mary
Post by: christina01 on April 28, 2012, 10:52:56 am
 :o Your post has made my year my friend


Title: Princess Mary
Post by: June on April 28, 2012, 10:55:36 am
 kisss  :BFF:  :loveshower:

Well, I might be wrong but I doubt it. Tony Abbott did not look too pleased meeting Mary.  :tehe:


Title: Princess Mary
Post by: Miss_Sonya on April 28, 2012, 11:08:08 am
How many people would look pleased to meet Mary?  :laugh:


Title: Princess Mary
Post by: Lieblich on April 28, 2012, 12:52:23 pm
I can honestly only remember Mary on the news her 1 time and that was when the Finnish PM's hubby supposedly looked at her non-existant boobs. She was the 'joke of the day'

That's the only time I can recall Mary making it into the US news, and even then it was about the PM ogling a princess, not about Mary.

I've actually searched for her, too, since many Danish tabloids proclaim that she takes the US by storm whenever she comes over, but I can never find her. Willem-Alexander's and Maxima's visit to New York made a few papers (though nothing huge), Victoria's wedding and baby made it, and the British royals always make it.


Title: Princess Mary
Post by: HC on April 28, 2012, 02:01:50 pm
June
I have no idee whether the australian government would like to welcome yet another visit from the danish trademinister and the danish royals.

I'm sure the danish government would like to be proactive and ask the danish royals to pave the way for danish busineses again in the future as they have done recently in USA, Russia, Australia and Vietnam.

If the danish government in the future arrange similar export visits to other countries par example Australia I think it is a good idee.  8)



Title: Princess Mary
Post by: christina01 on April 30, 2012, 03:44:23 am
By all means HC let Mary and Co. come to Australia, but not on public money thank you as they did last time.  :tehe:


Title: Princess Mary
Post by: HC on April 30, 2012, 06:51:32 pm
Christina 01

I hope for CP Mary that she will visit her family in Australia as often as possibly. And I hope for her that there won't be any spending of australian public money.

Not that I would or could ever interfere with how the australian government spend their money. But because some people might blame CP Mary for the governments decisions - if the australian government eventually should decide to spend public money on her.  :hi:


Title: Princess Mary
Post by: christina01 on May 03, 2012, 07:35:32 am
HC You do have some kind wishes towards CP Mary, which is lovely of you. I for one am glad she is on your shore, and not ours  :thumbsup:


Title: Princess Mary
Post by: HC on May 03, 2012, 07:06:04 pm
 :thumbsup: Christina01


Title: Princess Mary
Post by: Dahlia on May 15, 2012, 02:43:03 am
So Mary did this after meeting Fred? Aha...  :cookie:

Info: starmaker is a school for how to show your chocolate side and talk in public etc.

http://i.imgur.com/bRcCK.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/R15QV.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/fdk30.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/vIOkN.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/wBEpj.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/6iK20.jpg she still walks like an ape  lol


Title: Princess Mary
Post by: YooperModerator on May 15, 2012, 03:01:29 am
OMG that's Mary?
Jeez how much make-up did she get after/before the wedding?
I nearly didn't recognise her in these pic's! :o
The hair is one thing but her face is soo different now!


Title: Princess Mary
Post by: Lieblich on May 15, 2012, 10:14:15 am
She really thinned down, and wears a lot of makeup. It's sad, because I thought she was generally pretty when these were taken (with the exception of the horrible fashion sense). She's changed herself quite a bit.


Title: Princess Mary
Post by: serene grace on May 15, 2012, 01:29:10 pm
I think she was and is still very pretty.
I find her face prettier , softer than Kate's.


Title: Princess Mary
Post by: HC on May 15, 2012, 06:49:05 pm
Serene Grace
I agree.

And I don't think a princess has to be beautiful. And she don't need to be charismatic. But if she happen to be one or the other that is just great.


Title: Princess Mary
Post by: Annabel on May 16, 2012, 08:51:04 pm
So Mary did this after meeting Fred? Aha...  :cookie:

Info: starmaker is a school for how to show your chocolate side and talk in public etc.

http://i.imgur.com/bRcCK.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/R15QV.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/fdk30.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/vIOkN.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/wBEpj.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/6iK20.jpg she still walks like an ape  lol

She does.  lol I agree that a Princess doesn't have to be beautiful or charismatic, but I appreciate authenticity/sincerity and Mary has always seemed fairly fake to me...


Title: Princess Mary
Post by: serene grace on May 16, 2012, 08:53:13 pm
 :laugh:

I'm going to have to study up on Mary.

She looks so nice.  :flower:


Title: Princess Mary
Post by: Alexandrine on May 16, 2012, 08:57:07 pm
Mary is a fake, but heck nearly everyone of them is! Her face has changed a lot, she is another member of the super thin club too.



Title: Princess Mary
Post by: Miss_Sonya on May 17, 2012, 08:45:53 am
I think (like Kate) the severe dieting has aged Mary. Her past use of bleaching creme and her current use of heavy make up is hurting her skin and speeding the aging process. Mary is no raving beauty but she looks better with a little weight on her much like Kate.


Title: Princess Mary
Post by: Annabel on May 17, 2012, 12:30:58 pm
Mary is a fake, but heck nearly everyone of them is! Her face has changed a lot, she is another member of the super thin club too.



Hehe, I couldn't agree more.

I also agree that Mary and Kate looked better when they had a few more kilos. What's so alluring about looking haggard and old?   :-


Title: Princess Mary
Post by: Lieblich on May 17, 2012, 01:24:46 pm
I think her CV was tweaked a bit too (though not as bad as Kate's). I'd have to look that one up again.


Title: Princess Mary
Post by: Miss_Sonya on May 17, 2012, 02:29:10 pm
^ I definately think her CV was tweaked. I remember reading an article years ago that stated it had been.


Title: Princess Mary
Post by: HC on May 17, 2012, 03:40:25 pm
I've never read that CP Marys cv was tweaked.

But there has been several articles about Princess Maries tweaked cv, appearing short after the engagement and again last week.


Title: Princess Mary
Post by: pechoolo11 on May 17, 2012, 06:21:12 pm
^

Oooh, can you write about the recent article about Marie's tweaked CV on that thread?


Title: Princess Mary
Post by: HC on May 17, 2012, 06:31:18 pm
Sure.

But it was only the paperissue of a tabloid. So I'll wait till I get home on Sunday, then I can quote precisely.  :tehe:



Title: Princess Mary
Post by: giamodel60 on May 18, 2012, 01:11:01 am
Omgnsooooo funny!!!!


Title: Princess Mary
Post by: Dahlia on May 20, 2012, 10:44:05 pm
I've never read that CP Marys cv was tweaked.

But there has been several articles about Princess Maries tweaked cv, appearing short after the engagement and again last week.

 But that´s a thread about Mary  :cookie:

It was often reported that Mary is a lawyer or real estate agent, which she clearly wasn´t. What also was weird is that she taught English in Paris, but there is no real evidence for that. She was employed by Microsoft Business Solutions, her colleagues said that she didn´t had a clue about marketing, was not often there, but you can be sure she was given the job because of the PR as Freds gf (and through his friends). She was just an average woman whos bio was pimped too look good, went from job to job and supported by Fred.


Title: Princess Mary
Post by: HC on May 20, 2012, 11:34:04 pm
Dahlia
If You have any articles or anything that we could discuss that would be interesting.

Danish tabloids certainly has not ever written anything about a tweaked CV while they have not been shy about critizising Marie.


Title: Princess Mary
Post by: Alexandrine on July 09, 2012, 04:40:10 pm
I remember that we had a discussion about Fred's relationship with his parents but I don't know in which thread it was so as this is quite random I will put it here:

My mother had nannies and governesses to take care of my upbringing. I did not have a lot to do with my parents until I turned 21. When I was young, I was - washed and with brushed teeth - presented to them, and then put to bed. I will under no circumstances bring up my own two children like that.

http://luxuriousmindedcreatures.tumblr.com/post/24886456375/my-mother-had-nannies-and-governesses-to-take-care


Title: Princess Mary
Post by: Polonia on October 27, 2013, 06:58:09 pm
Mary is fantastic!!!!

Out of all the Commoners who have married heirs to thrones, she is the only one who has job vocation, who realizes the importance of the Monarchy, who knows what her duties are, and who works really hard.

All this in direct contrast to the insipid beige Waity - contrast what previous posts here have highlighted - the decoration of their  Palace as a showcase for Danish arts and skills, and the fact that thanks to Mary, Danish exports to Australia have soared.

Added to which Mary had to move to a different country in a different continent, and to learn a new language - none of which Waity had to do.

And unlike William and Waity, the Danish couple have maintained friendly relationships with other European Royals.


Title: Princess Mary
Post by: berlin on October 27, 2013, 11:22:07 pm
Actually I think Maxima puts Mary and all the other commoner married-ins in the shade.  However, Mary has improved drastically and seems to have found her footing.  


Title: Princess Mary
Post by: Polonia on October 28, 2013, 12:45:08 am
Maxima is actually a Spanish noblewoman as is Maria Theresa but most commentators don't recognize this because they don't embrace the concept of nobility in the former Spanish colonies. So I did not classify her as a commoner like Waity.

Maxima is also the descendant of the Inca Emperors - hence her magnificence!!!

I too think Maxima is great and is a fantastic Queen!!!


Title: Princess Mary
Post by: berlin on October 28, 2013, 02:00:58 am
I did not know that about Maxima's background.  Yes, I've read about MT's very illustrious background.


Title: Princess Mary
Post by: Countess of Holland on October 28, 2013, 09:10:39 am
Maxima is actually a Spanish noblewoman as is Maria Theresa but most commentators don't recognize this because they don't embrace the concept of nobility in the former Spanish colonies. So I did not classify her as a commoner like Waity.

Maxima is also the descendant of the Inca Emperors - hence her magnificence!!!

I too think Maxima is great and is a fantastic Queen!!!

On her mothers side, there were some Italian nobles, and on her fathers side some Spanish nobles (4x greatgrandmother iirc), so some noble ancestry but of noble birth. The give-away was that Maxima's family didn't have a family-crest when she married Willem-Alexander. A south-American family with a direct noble line of descendancy would have a family-crest.


Title: Princess Mary
Post by: Fly on the wall on February 06, 2014, 12:31:00 am
Happy Birthday Princess Mary: ten facts about the Danish royal


1. Mary was born on 5 February 1972, in Hobart, Tasmania, as the youngest child of Scottish-born maths professor John Donaldson and university secretary Henrietta Clark Donaldson.
 
2. The wife of Prince Frederik revealed she could never have imagined the life she would lead. “I don’t recall wishing that one day I would be a princess,” she said shortly after the engagement. “I wanted to be a veterinarian.”
 
3. Mary studied at the University of Tasmania, from which she graduated in 1994 with a Bachelors degree in Commerce and Law.
 
4. Mary once revealed that one of her childhood memories was watching the wedding of Prince Charles and Diana, Princess of Wales in 1981. “My biggest memory is of Diana walking up the red carpet with a very, very long train," she said.
 
http://www.hellomagazine.com/royalty/2014020516863/princess-mary-denmark-birthday-facts/


Title: Princess Mary
Post by: Countess of Holland on February 06, 2014, 12:11:46 pm
It is quite hilarious how Hello wants us to believe that Kate and Mary are good friends. Ever since the trip to Denmark there haven't been any sightings of the two together, and believe me if the two had met, the British press would have been all over it. Also thanks to Carole leaking it to the press as some proof that her daughters is 'accepted' in royal circles.


Title: Princess Mary
Post by: Countess of Holland on November 16, 2014, 07:54:59 am
^^Roselia, this story has been debunked several times already. He was out at a nightclub with Mary's brother and one of her sisters and her husband. As well as with some friends of the couple. Do you really think he would be cheating on his wife in the presence of several in-laws?


Title: Princess Mary
Post by: Rosella on November 16, 2014, 09:26:02 am
^^Roselia, this story has been debunked several times already. He was out at a nightclub with Mary's brother and one of her sisters and her husband. As well as with some friends of the couple. Do you really think he would be cheating on his wife in the presence of several in-laws?

There's been plenty about it all over royal forums and the internet for years. Yes, I know the Palace came out and did some damage control about their prince and the blonde...old friend blabla, had to press close to each other in the nightclub because the music was so loud, bla, couldn't hear each other speak, blaabla...just dancing, blaa more blaa. The fact is, that Frederik was drunk, in a nightclub at 3am in the morning, with his arms wrapped around a blonde, very closely round a blonde. The day before his twins were christened.

If it had been William caught in such a situation no one on this forum or others, would have believed the Palace's rushed explanation for a minute. And they would be right!


Title: Princess Mary
Post by: Countess of Holland on November 16, 2014, 11:15:11 am
1. That it is on forums doesn't make it believable nor that it has been writtenin the yellow press. And with Kate and William I also refrain from talking about bogus articles of celebrity laundry etc. When it comes to Kate and William, I stick to the facts and my own opinions and what I see (the body language, Kate not looking ill/ sick at all, the Middleton's courting the press).
2. There were pictures of Frederik, wearing the same clothes he wore in the nightclub, of the same evening and he was shown hitting the town with several of his in-laws (in fact, earlier in the evening his father-in-law was in tow as well, not sure if he was at the nightclub). And had Frederik cheated on Mary, his in-laws would have said something about it. Unlike the Middleton's they have never been courting the press nor have they send Mary on a wild goose-chase to *private body part* a prince. They have more decency in their pinky finger than the Middleton-family has a whole. They would not stand it if Frederik showed the same disrespect to Mary as William is continuously showing Kate.

And you may think that the Danish press can be silenced the same way the British press can be silenced, you are mistaken. The Danish press is functioning in a very liberal society, much more so than the English. In the IPI World Press Freedom Review, the Danish society scores much higher than the British society when it comes to press freedom.


Title: Princess Mary
Post by: Rosella on November 16, 2014, 11:41:39 am
I'm not British, I'm Australian. Therefore, I don't care really, what the British Press can and can't do. There was a video, now removed, which was on the internet, showing him with the blonde in the nightclub. I don't rely on Celebrity Laundry etc but on Danish friends, one here in Melbourne who gets lots of news from home, and two who have returned home to Copenhagen. It's well known I've been told, that Frederik gets off the leash every now and again, both when he's overseas, as in Sydney a couple of years ago, and more discreetly, (usually,) in Denmark. The royal family is popular in Denmark and so the Press don't publish all they could, but Danish journalists are not blind or deaf. Neither are my friends.


Title: Princess Mary
Post by: HC on November 16, 2014, 02:58:09 pm
The video of the blonde was in the Danish tabloids and it showed Frederik trying to get away from a young woman who was high spirited.

If a similar video was shown of William I expect there would be some reaction.
The reaction in Denmark was nonexisting. Perhaps because Frederik has not a history of cheating.



Title: Princess Mary
Post by: Alexandrine on November 16, 2014, 04:11:20 pm
What I would find strange is that Frederick doesn't cheat. He never seems to be a stable person. And I don't remember his story with Mary wrong he was already dating someone else when he started with her.

I cannot say if he was cheating or not in the infamous video but I remember quite well Mary's face next day as I watched the christening on live. She looked sad and like she was done for. Maybe it was because of the press stories but she could have tried to smile to make it as if nothing had happened but she looked awful. I've never seen Mary like that.


Title: Princess Mary
Post by: HC on November 16, 2014, 05:21:57 pm
He did date another woman when he met Mary, but when he met Mary in the autumn he had been in a relationship where he lived in paris working at the embassy and she lived in london and then he went to the arctic in 5 months. I would guess the relationsship was not that intense.


Title: Princess Mary
Post by: Countess of Holland on November 16, 2014, 05:44:55 pm
What I would find strange is that Frederick doesn't cheat. He never seems to be a stable person. And I don't remember his story with Mary wrong he was already dating someone else when he started with her.

Falling in love with someone while dating another person isn't exactly cheating. Only when you act upon that 'falling in love' it is cheating. I had a relationship with a man, fell in love with a colleague and before I took it any further, I first broke of my relationship. It is very well possible that Frederik did the same and broke off the relationship with his girlfriend of the time (was it Maria Montrell?) before he contacted Mary to arrange to meet at a later date.

Frederik never came across as a cheater. More a serial monogamist in my opinion. I have seen that before, men and women dating actively and then they find 'the one' and settle down. I think Frederik is like that.


Title: Princess Mary
Post by: HC on November 16, 2014, 06:39:56 pm
I don't think Frederik has ever ended any of his relationships. He just sort of disappears or get impossibly to reach.

One girlfriend send out a press release that she ended the affair, betinna - the girl before Mary -announced in an interview that she had ended the relationship, but that they both agreed on this.


Title: Princess Mary
Post by: Alexandrine on November 16, 2014, 07:36:01 pm
I've read too much in RD to not believe that there is something off in their marriage and more precisely in Frederick. 


Title: Princess Mary
Post by: Fly on the wall on November 21, 2014, 08:56:33 pm
Crown Princess Mary today participated in an event in accordance with the 25th anniversary of the Convention on the Rights of the Child.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UGFLtVGrzZ8

Crown Princess’ speech at the launch of the UN Population Fund
https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=768QISOJuck


Title: Princess Mary
Post by: KGap on November 24, 2014, 04:06:35 am
All of the plastic surgery Mary has had makes her face look so incredibly painful.


Title: Princess Mary
Post by: Countess of Holland on November 29, 2014, 02:07:27 pm
And rightly so. I would be rather disgusted if they would diss the dirt on their former relationship with the Crown Prince. A gentleman doesn't 'kiss and tell' and in light of the women-are-equal-to-men times we live in, a gentlewoman shouldn't kiss and tell either.

I am sure that none of the former girlfriends of the Dutch King would be willing to participate in a Dutch project like this either.


Title: Princess Mary
Post by: Miss Hathaway on March 17, 2015, 02:05:01 pm
I know that there are many royal posters throughout the internet who believe Mary to be evil/crazy personified.   However, she carries out her duties, dresses appropriately and stylishly, and there are no scandalous rumors floating about.   The children seem to be settling down after some bratty periods for some of them.   :tehe:

What do posters here think of Mary?


Title: Re: Princess Mary
Post by: Alexandrine on March 17, 2015, 09:29:29 pm
This very old thread may enlighten you. I think that here there is more indifference than nothing else towards her.


Title: Re: Princess Mary
Post by: Tpearl on June 17, 2015, 02:51:05 am
Something does seem off about Frederik.


Title: Re: Princess Mary
Post by: Miss Hathaway on June 22, 2015, 03:45:45 pm
And once again Mary shows up for her engagement, stylishly dressed, well groomed, and enjoying herself.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/femail/article-3134362/Princess-Mary-dazzles-dramatic-gown-cloak-ensemble-awards-ceremony-Denmark.html

It is ridiculous that Marge allows Mary to wear such a dinky little tiara as the Crown Princess of Denmark.  She should unlock the vault and loan her something more appropriate.    ???


Title: Re: Princess Mary
Post by: Alexandrine on June 22, 2015, 05:24:56 pm
Margrethe doesn't really loan jewels like the swedish or dutch do.

Frederick had been given by his grandmother a ruby parure which is the one Mary frequently uses. Moreover they gave her as a present the tiara you mention and a jewel house gave her a modern tiara on loan for life. She has a lot more tiaras than many of her contemporaries. And the ruby parure is magnificent.

photos:

http://orderofsplendor.blogspot.com.es/2011/05/tiara-thursday-marys-wedding-tiara.html

http://orderofsplendor.blogspot.com.es/2011/12/readers-top-15-tiaras-4-danish-ruby.html

http://orderofsplendor.blogspot.com.es/2011/11/tiara-thursday-midnight-tiara.html



Title: Re: Princess Mary
Post by: Miss Hathaway on June 22, 2015, 05:55:31 pm
Yes, I know the ruby parure is an heirloom and valuable, and sometimes it looks lovely, but sometimes it looks odd and clunky.

The Midnight thingy looks like feathers and berries.  Kinda weird.

The wedding tiara looks like a children's tiara.

A Crown Princess should have something more attractive, in my opinion. 


Title: Re: Princess Mary
Post by: Alexandrine on June 22, 2015, 06:01:20 pm
 :laugh:

I love the ruby tiara! Maybe you don't like how she reformed it? Because now is more dense.

To me Mary has a nice collection: the pearl when she doesn't want to attract lot of attention, the ruby for big events and the midnight when she wants to have something different.

But imagine if QM loaned her this https://40.media.tumblr.com/003bb69ab5bbc2866c1a5b27e63f41a8/tumblr_mlk7y5gV3n1rffimfo2_400.jpg or this http://joachimetmarie.j.o.pic.centerblog.net/MargretheGoldenPoppiesTiara2.jpg


Title: Re: Princess Mary
Post by: Miss Hathaway on June 22, 2015, 06:21:20 pm
The Danes certainly have odd tiaras . . . . .  :June:

The Swedish royal woman have fabulous tiaras.  No feathers or berries . . . . Marie has a nice diamond tiara . . . .   :-


Title: Re: Princess Mary
Post by: HC on June 22, 2015, 07:24:45 pm
The queen has 4 sets of crown jewellery.

http://kongehuset.dk/historiske-samlinger/kronjuvelerne/kronjuvelerne

The ruby parure comes from the sweedish royals who again got the ruby parure from france. The sweedish royals descends from a French general.


Title: Re: Princess Mary
Post by: Miss Hathaway on June 22, 2015, 08:58:54 pm
Thank you, HC.  Those sets are lovely.   

So, the Swedes dumped . . . er . . . gifted the ruby parure to the Danes, eh?  Well, nice of them.     kisss


Title: Re: Princess Mary
Post by: Alexandrine on June 22, 2015, 09:37:50 pm
there was a doco from a couple of years ago with the scandi royals talking about their jewels, it was also in english and quite a good one for both info and pictures if you are interested


Title: Re: Princess Mary
Post by: Miss Hathaway on June 23, 2015, 02:27:17 pm
^ I will look it up, thank you.


Title: Re: Princess Mary
Post by: HC on June 24, 2015, 07:23:24 pm
A sweedish princess married into the Danish royal family and she got the ruby parure because her mother thought the parure had the Danish colours red and white. :P


Title: Re: Princess Mary
Post by: Miss Hathaway on June 24, 2015, 09:59:23 pm
^ Thank you, HC!      :thankyou:


Title: Re: Princess Mary
Post by: HC on June 25, 2015, 05:54:04 pm
You're welcome miss h.  :hi:


Title: Re: Princess Mary
Post by: Alexandrine on November 02, 2015, 06:07:43 pm
Anyone read about the facebook and the fake brother scandal? What was he saying?


Title: Re: Princess Mary
Post by: HC on November 02, 2015, 08:46:21 pm
Apparently a false Facebook profile on big brother John saying he and the family is in Rome.

The false Facebook father ask if they asked Mary to join them or just didn't ask her.



Title: Re: Princess Mary
Post by: Alexandrine on November 02, 2015, 08:47:25 pm
?? What a weird thing to invent. That's the only thing they said?


Title: Re: Princess Mary
Post by: Alexandrine on November 03, 2015, 09:40:05 am
I dont believe it was fake or a hacker.The danish court media person should be changed. Lots of fails lately.

http://www.vanitatis.elconfidencial.com/casas-reales/2015-11-02/la-princesa-mary-de-dinamarca-la-que-no-debe-ser-nombrada-segun-sus-familiares_1081284/

checking the facebook exchange it simply cannot be fake. Because it has a lot of people intervening.

Though why should they keep their profile semi public god knows.



Title: Re: Princess Mary
Post by: Countess of Holland on November 03, 2015, 10:09:07 am
So? I can set up a fake Facebook account and have many people joining into the conversation. It still would be fake.

The siblings of Mary have been very discrete so there is no way that Mr. Donaldson would set up a public account.


Title: Re: Princess Mary
Post by: Alexandrine on November 03, 2015, 10:24:09 am
But if you read the conversation it makes sense. It has many personals details no one knows or would very difficult to know. And this hasnt come up until months afterwards in the DM.

I dont remember much about the family but the family isnt as discrete in Australia.

Its ironic because I do 'like' Mary but this fits into my idea of her and her relation with her family.


Title: Re: Princess Mary
Post by: Countess of Holland on November 03, 2015, 12:12:23 pm
But if the relationship is bad why invite her sister Patricia to become godmother of Josephine?
If she wouldn't, there would be a good explanation, just pointing at the long distance between Denmark and Australia and how that migt be difficult to combine with the role of godparent (whoc is to guide a child into religious life). But instead Mary asked her sister to stand sponsor.

I haven't read the entire FB-page but what I read is hardly shocking new information, or it is information that might be invented as well. And there is of course also a possibility that the FB is made by a friend of the family; a former neighbour, a former colleague, perhaps a former boyfriend of Mary.
It is nowadays so easy to pretend to be a person online. And unfortunately, many people do. And royals and famous people are easy targets.

As for the family not being discrete, I don't read the Australian newspapers, nor the gossip press, but I do know that the Australian press is infected with the Rupert Murdoch Syndrom...if you don't have any news...make it up. And as an Aussie, I am sure Mary has been the victim of this.


Title: Re: Princess Mary
Post by: HC on November 03, 2015, 05:57:51 pm
http://www.bt.dk/royale/efter-rygter-om-familiefejde-nu-taler-marys-bror-ud-om-den-falske-profil

Mary's brother has come forward and states that the Facebook profile is false.

The court says they don't intend to go further as it is mMary's brother who has been wronged with the fake profile.


Title: Re: Princess Mary
Post by: Stargazer on November 15, 2015, 10:55:08 am
Anyone else in Australia watching Mary, The Making of a Princess?  ???


Title: Re: Princess Mary
Post by: Rosella on November 15, 2015, 12:05:34 pm
Yes, I am. Finished a half an hour ago. Typical bilge, awful script, dreadful production values, strange accents!


Title: Re: Princess Mary
Post by: Stargazer on November 15, 2015, 12:18:52 pm
Definitely a fairytale! So cheesy...


Title: Re: Princess Mary
Post by: Princess Alucard on November 16, 2015, 02:37:14 am
 :angry: I'm in the US and can't watch it. Dang!


Title: Re: Princess Mary
Post by: Rosella on November 16, 2015, 07:38:57 am
:angry: I'm in the US and can't watch it. Dang!

^ Well I don't think anybody's missing anything by not seeing it!. Watching that meant two hours of my life I'm not going to get back!


Title: Re: Princess Mary
Post by: Stargazer on November 16, 2015, 09:28:45 am
Some truly cringeworthy moments, plus I'm certain it was fiction largely woven around the facts! You may get to see the trailer which give a good indication of what Rosella is talking about!

http://www.smh.com.au/entertainment/tv-and-radio/mary-the-making-of-a-princess--love-story-just-doesnt-ring-true-20151116-gkyjys.html :o


Mary: The Making of a Princess, Sunday night's Channel Ten telemovie, was a biopic patchwork of necessary exchanges, cute moments, and romantic staples. It was deceptively light and smart enough to occasionally acknowledge that the entire proposition was a big bundle of love against the odds melodrama.

Being fitted for her designer wedding dress, Mary Donaldson (Emma Hamilton), hardy middle-class daughter of Tasmania about to marry Denmark's Crown Prince, Fredrik (Ryan O'Kane), wonders if her story is propagating the "Princess Myth", the fantasy packaged to young girls of being magically elevated into royalty. Nonsense, insists the Danish royal court's resident philosopher – OK, it was Mary's stylist – who explains that any time two people find their true love it's a fairytale.


Title: Re: Princess Mary
Post by: Countess of Holland on November 16, 2015, 10:05:24 am
Perhaps 'middle class' means something different in Australia or the US, but I would say that the daughter of a college professor is middle class and not 'hardly middle class' (which I translate as 'only just but actually a bit below that').

But I guess it also depends on what her grandparents did. Do we know? I don't recall ever having read anything about them.


Title: Re: Princess Mary
Post by: Stargazer on November 16, 2015, 10:45:21 am
ITA a university Professor in Aus is definitely middle class if not upper middle depending on the institution and family background.....although I read it as being hardy rather than hardly. If hardy, then I think Mary is definitely capable Of enduring difficult situations! :flower:

I haven't seen anything on her grandparents either.


Title: Re: Princess Mary
Post by: Rosella on November 16, 2015, 12:05:15 pm
^ John Donaldson, Mary's father studied at Edinburgh university. His second wife Susan taught for a while at Copenhagen University as did John.

 His father, Peter Donaldson was an officer in the merchant Navy. He was a Captain. Shortly after the whole family emigrated to Australia Peter Donaldson's ship, the 'Shearwater' went aground on a reef off Tasmania. He continued as a Captain for the cargo company however!


Title: Re: Princess Mary
Post by: Alexandrine on December 23, 2015, 07:27:06 pm
Best of the year clothes http://orderofsplendor.blogspot.com.es/2015/12/year-in-review-crown-princess-marys.html

I don't agree with the list, my fave was the blue dress for CP wedding


Title: Re: Princess Mary
Post by: FortressODaveBarry on January 09, 2016, 02:25:38 am
People Magazine said Mary was copying Kate by releasing pictures of her twins. The handful of comments they've allowed through = not happy about the comparison

http://www.people.com/people/package/article/0,,20395222_20978544,00.html


Title: Re: Princess Mary
Post by: HennyPenny on January 09, 2016, 03:20:29 am
^ and they shouldnt be... Kate doesnt need to come into every article about royalty. The press  acts as if Royal families didnt come into existence until 4-29-11 after the Duchess stood  on the balcony in her wedding dress  and scream to the crowd " let there be royalty!!!!!""


Title: Re: Princess Mary
Post by: Countess of Holland on January 09, 2016, 10:42:20 am
That comparison is totally flawed as Mary has been making the pictures of her children, and releasing them for their birthdays, since well before George was in the making.


Title: Re: Princess Mary
Post by: gingerboy24 on January 09, 2016, 10:59:34 am
^ Agree. But of course we have to remember, nobody does anything as well as cath medd, if they do it at all.  Cath medd is the greatest thing since sliced bread  -  they wish.  They need to us other royalty and push their achievements towards cath medd because, sadly, she has no attributes of her own at all for anyone to praise.  She can´t even take a decent photo, her photoshopping skills are appalling and so obvious.  Then there is everything else, won´t go into that, far too long and well discussed, from clothing to "parenting" or lack thereof.


Title: Re: Princess Mary
Post by: Miss Hathaway on January 09, 2016, 01:32:51 pm
To be fair, the article itself just said that Kate wasn't the only royal mother to take photos of her children.  It was the headline that put "copy-kate" in and the media is notorious for printing misleading headlines in order to get more clicks on their articles.  Then when you get to the article, it has nothing to do with the headline.

Meanwhile, Mary should be ashamed of herself for using such a horrible photo of Josie.  Comb the child's hair, Mary!  Use barrets, bobby pins, etc. to keep your daughter's hair out of her face!  She runs around looking disheveled all the time.   Vincent, on the other hand, has a nice, neat haircut.