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Title: IF Ms. Middleton still smokes? A few things of interest....
Post by: Yooper on January 27, 2011, 03:17:08 am
http://health.msn.com/health-topics/quit-smoking/articlepage.aspx?cp-documentid=100268530&gt1=31020

Frankly, I've seen more than a few of these by-products in your future consort/not sure.  Just me with your monthly PSA....sorry to be Debbie Downer.


Title: Re: IF Ms. Middleton still smokes? A few things of interest....
Post by: Kuei Fei on January 27, 2011, 05:09:59 am
Great, nicotine breath when she greets a head of state or his wife.


Title: Re: IF Ms. Middleton still smokes? A few things of interest....
Post by: mousiekins on January 27, 2011, 05:13:44 am
William is a social smoker too.

His habit is not reported as much though because he is the golden boy.


Title: Re: IF Ms. Middleton still smokes? A few things of interest....
Post by: Ella on January 27, 2011, 05:25:09 am
^He can't afford to smoke with his looks, he needs to hold on tight to every possibly route of being attractive...Same with her.

My dad used to smoke and finally kicked the habit after like, 40 years, so it's not impossible and hopefully they'll both quit eventually.


Title: Re: IF Ms. Middleton still smokes? A few things of interest....
Post by: Kuei Fei on January 27, 2011, 05:27:05 am
I wonder what that will do to her egg count and her ability to have healthy kids.

I htink that after Diana made her debut, she could have committed murder and the press would have merrily explained it away as wedding pressure and started chattering about her choice of dress while commiting the murder; menawhile the press is sniping already about her dressing, her weight, her smoking now.


Title: Re: IF Ms. Middleton still smokes? A few things of interest....
Post by: Yooper on January 27, 2011, 06:20:24 am
William is a social smoker too.

His habit is not reported as much though because he is the golden boy.

NoF'ingWay!!!!!  Tell me you're being a brat and telling lies, mousie, and I'll hug and forgive!!!!!!  Diana was a total non-smoker.  Aaaaaarrrrrrgggghhhh!!!!!!


Title: Re: IF Ms. Middleton still smokes? A few things of interest....
Post by: mousiekins on January 27, 2011, 06:39:49 am
I want to say I am lying so you will give me a hug  :legs

but I am not.  :sorry:

Carol smokes

Pippa smokes

Kate smokes

William smokes

Harry smokes

and Chelsy too

not sure about Mike and James though  :think:


Title: Re: IF Ms. Middleton still smokes? A few things of interest....
Post by: Ella on January 27, 2011, 06:46:46 am
I'm bored and waiting for my show to download, so...

Did Tiggy first start Harry on smoking? I remember reading that, but I don't have a source, if she did if for him, William probably slipped some from her too...Hmm. I'll look more, but I think that's right. Camilla smoked, so if she was over, it wouldn't be hard for them to hide it since everything would already smell like smoke.

But eww, I hoped at least one of them didn't smoke!


Title: Re: IF Ms. Middleton still smokes? A few things of interest....
Post by: mousiekins on January 27, 2011, 06:52:46 am
I didn't mention Charles or the Princesses  :KEZZA:

William started smoking at school so it was probably a friend.

The spin was, he tried it once and thought it was gross and never did it again. However that was to make him look better then ' chimney smoking Harry'.

William - good, Harry - bad remember  :rolleyes:

But I have heard stories of William's smoking since as late as November when I heard someone saying that William had asked to use their lighter


Title: Re: IF Ms. Middleton still smokes? A few things of interest....
Post by: True Brit on January 27, 2011, 03:03:47 pm
The Royals have always been heavy smokers (and drinkers) although not sure that HM lights up but Margaret smoked like the proverbial chimney and indeed it contributed to her stroke. Of course George V1 was also a victim of the dreaded weed. Suspect the Midd women do it to keep thin.


Title: Re: IF Ms. Middleton still smokes? A few things of interest....
Post by: Yooper on January 27, 2011, 04:57:35 pm
In one of the books on the royals (I've lost track) there was mention that Margaret took the strike strip off her packs of matches and had them adhered to her cocktail glasses, to save time.


Title: Re: IF Ms. Middleton still smokes? A few things of interest....
Post by: Lieblich on January 27, 2011, 04:59:40 pm
I once heard that guest rooms at Buckingham Palace were regularly stocked with cigarettes until the 1960s.


Title: Re: IF Ms. Middleton still smokes? A few things of interest....
Post by: Mia on January 27, 2011, 05:11:21 pm
The Royals have always been heavy smokers (and drinkers) although not sure that HM lights up but Margaret smoked like the proverbial chimney and indeed it contributed to her stroke. Of course George V1 was also a victim of the dreaded weed. Suspect the Midd women do it to keep thin.

HM The Queen doesn't smokes (she smoked when she was a teen, but quit after the II WW)
Prince Philip smoked but quit when he married
The Queen Mother smoked until her 80's
Prince Andrew is a social smoker
Princess Eugenie smokes
Princess Anne doesn't smokes (she admitted she tried when she was younger)
Camilla was a chain-smoker, quit a few years ago because of Charles
Lord Frederik Windsor smokes
Prince Charles and Prince Edward are anti-smokers as it was Diana

Alot of royals smoke, just a few examples: Queen Rania and her husband, Princess Madeleine, almost all Grimaldi (Caroline, Stephanie, Charlotte, Andrea, Pierre), Queen Margrethe of Denmark, Prince Joachim, Willem-Alexander and Maxima, Crown Princess Victoria (social smoker), Crown Prince Haakon... The list is huge...


Title: Re: IF Ms. Middleton still smokes? A few things of interest....
Post by: Scarlet Flowers on January 27, 2011, 08:20:17 pm
Awesome list, Mia!


Title: Re: IF Ms. Middleton still smokes? A few things of interest....
Post by: Mia on January 27, 2011, 08:25:06 pm
Thanks! My list is way bigger, I just gave a few example :oooh:


Title: Re: IF Ms. Middleton still smokes? A few things of interest....
Post by: True Brit on January 27, 2011, 09:29:46 pm
 :thumbsup: Excellent list Mia!


Title: Re: IF Ms. Middleton still smokes? A few things of interest....
Post by: Yooper on January 27, 2011, 10:34:48 pm
Wow. Icky.  That's sad to see that many.


Title: Re: IF Ms. Middleton still smokes? A few things of interest....
Post by: Mia on January 27, 2011, 10:40:02 pm
Yep, pretty sad that so many smoke...


Title: Re: IF Ms. Middleton still smokes? A few things of interest....
Post by: Lanvin Pearls on January 27, 2011, 11:31:46 pm
I KNOW you all know this. BUT do those Royal smokers know that smoking is NOT glam. It is trashy. And highly addictive. Causes all kinds of cancers. Stinks. Causes high BP.  :think:

Carole Middleton's face really reeks smoking (glorified) waitress.  :James:  (I don't mean to be really mean, but that woman is so ugly looking, very hard looking weathered, horrid face. She looks like she'd be a scullery MAID ! ).   :laugh:

Princess Diana had a very very pretty complexion.  :flirt: She looked like a porcelain doll.

IMO Chelsy (in those latest party til dawn photos) looks terrible. Chubby neck and stringy hair. (In those pics, she looks like she is trying to make Harry jealous , like KM tried to with PW, BUT instead PH should be saying "good riddance" LOL because drinking, smoking and man-hopping is not attractive or ladylike!   bignono )  PH can do much better.

It surprises me that CP Victoria smokes but it doesn't surprise me that PMadeleine smokes, her skin does not look that great (too orange). It SHOCKS me that PW smokes.    bignono  :runforhills:

 


Title: Re: IF Ms. Middleton still smokes? A few things of interest....
Post by: Yooper on January 27, 2011, 11:40:30 pm
I'm shocked about PW too. Explains the aging in both of them.  It doesn't seem that any of these people care about the horrors of smoking. CM's face is ravaged.  Oh Di's glorious complexion! So beautiful in spite of stress she beat on her body.


Title: Re: IF Ms. Middleton still smokes? A few things of interest....
Post by: Kuei Fei on January 27, 2011, 11:40:52 pm
I think it's the constant pressure the RF is under that drives them to drink/smoke to excess. Carole looks plain evil if you ask me, even wiht Kate in her arms as an infant, just diabolical.


Title: Re: IF Ms. Middleton still smokes? A few things of interest....
Post by: Mia on January 28, 2011, 12:05:20 am
It surprises me that CP Victoria smokes but it doesn't surprise me that PMadeleine smokes, her skin does not look that great (too orange).

Madeleine looks orange because all the fake tan she uses, which makes it worse. Victoria doesn't always smokes, only in parties (social smoker).

Princess Diana had a very very pretty complexion.  :flirt: She looked like a porcelain doll.

Diana had an amazing skin :BFF:

KM skin is crappy. All the booze, cigarettes, heavy makeup... She looks older that she's....


Title: Re: IF Ms. Middleton still smokes? A few things of interest....
Post by: Lanvin Pearls on January 28, 2011, 01:03:56 am
KF   Mia  Yooper   - Very spot on ALL !   :stars: 

If PD and PC had had a daughter she would have been the absolute toast of Europe now. Imagine that.  :think:  :flower:  :stars:  :lips:

IMO Princess Madeleine does NOT need fake tanning. She is very pretty and looks way better W/O it.

I agree, CM looks evil. It would've been nice to see a woman like her (with ONLY bad intentions) FAIL miserably. In a way, perhaps she HAS in some ways and WILL in other ways yet to come !  :think:  :thumbsup:


Title: Re: IF Ms. Middleton still smokes? A few things of interest....
Post by: Magnolia on January 28, 2011, 03:06:14 pm
I think it's the constant pressure the RF is under that drives them to drink/smoke to excess. Carole looks plain evil if you ask me, even wiht Kate in her arms as an infant, just diabolical.
The Middleton women look like soul stealers.Look at Michael he looks like a handsome man I saw pictures of him from before he looked vibrant,alive now he looks weak ,beaten.William looks like Michael now ever since he hooked up with Lazy, weak also beaten given up, it's scary.


Title: Re: IF Ms. Middleton still smokes? A few things of interest....
Post by: Kuei Fei on January 28, 2011, 03:09:05 pm
Cripes, "psychic vampire" anyone?


Title: Re: IF Ms. Middleton still smokes? A few things of interest....
Post by: Yooper on January 28, 2011, 04:39:35 pm
I think it's the constant pressure the RF is under that drives them to drink/smoke to excess.

I'm going to wonder about that reasoning, KF.  It's self-indulgent, from where I sit.  And obviously nobody listens or feels accountable to the family physician.  Oh well, if they want to harm themselves, that's their business.  We're ALL under stress, so my sympathy is zero.  And aren't they kind of supposed to be setting examples?  20-25 years ago, it was different.  Not so much now. 

They're addictions and no beauty regimen, that's for sure. 

Even our Prez uses/used nicorette gum which was, I think, the only issue where everyone agreed was great, if he was going to quit, but to smoke?  Completely unacceptable in the setting an example portion of his position.  Hm.   


Title: Re: IF Ms. Middleton still smokes? A few things of interest....
Post by: Earth Angel on January 28, 2011, 05:36:25 pm
Cripes, "psychic vampire" anyone?

Psychic, vampire, energetic vampire, seductress/chi stealer, vampirism in general~symbolically they're all one in the same! The whole actuality of drinking another's blood is literally what some in these subcultures do, but symbolically it's the draining of lifeforce, which can occur in a variety of ways. Or so I've been taught. One does not have to be a member of such subcultures to unconsciously embody the symbolism. However, there is a real method to such madness. ...


Title: Re: IF Ms. Middleton still smokes? A few things of interest....
Post by: Kuei Fei on January 28, 2011, 05:39:07 pm
I think it's the constant pressure the RF is under that drives them to drink/smoke to excess.
I'm going to wonder about that reasoning, KF.  It's self-indulgent, from where I sit.  And obviously nobody listens or feels accountable to the family physician.  Oh well, if they want to harm themselves, that's their business.  We're ALL under stress, so my sympathy is zero.  And aren't they kind of supposed to be setting examples?  20-25 years ago, it was different.  Not so much now.  They're addictions and no beauty regimen, that's for sure.Even our Prez uses/used nicorette gum which was, I think, the only issue where everyone agreed was great, if he was going to quit, but to smoke?  Completely unacceptable in the setting an example portion of his position.  Hm.s

It's dificult to deal with all the disillusionment. I mean, we're watching the destruction of the British monarchy even as we type on here. It's constantly been bandied about, but really, this is the end of it all. After Charles is gone, no more monarchy, or it will be a different dynasty.


Title: Re: IF Ms. Middleton still smokes? A few things of interest....
Post by: Yooper on January 28, 2011, 06:30:26 pm
It's very discouraging and I just can't feel anything but disgust lately. It's all so cheap.


Title: Re: IF Ms. Middleton still smokes? A few things of interest....
Post by: Earth Angel on January 28, 2011, 08:49:13 pm
Hang in there Y. this situation is bound to hit a crescendo, hopefully sooner than later! ( and I'm not talking about the actual wedding either)  :BFF:


Title: Re: IF Ms. Middleton still smokes? A few things of interest....
Post by: Yooper on January 28, 2011, 09:58:43 pm
EA - I'll hang on to that thought!  But, jimminy crickets!   :bat:


Title: Re: IF Ms. Middleton still smokes? A few things of interest....
Post by: Kuei Fei on January 29, 2011, 01:41:46 am
It's very discouraging and I just can't feel anything but disgust lately. It's all so cheap.

Succinctly put.


Title: Re: IF Ms. Middleton still smokes? A few things of interest....
Post by: Lanvin Pearls on January 29, 2011, 02:47:22 am
Earth Angel and Yooper  -   I am rapidly losing all interest again. (I LOVE this forum and all of you BUT all we get on TV is sugary sweet updates).

I am SEVERELY DISAPPOINTED in the BRF. I am losing whatever RESPECT I ever had for them. They have become a 3 ring circus of jokes. Yes sadly enough even PC and HM. (They SHOULD have had restraining orders out against these fools YEARS ago. ) The wedding will happen. And I simply do NOT care anymore.

Again, you guys ALL rock. I will check threads from time to time BUT come on, this Middleton family is just SO LOW that I cannot believe ANYONE would ever take the BRF seriously ever again. It has stooped to the lowest level ever. UNBELIEVABLE. SIMPLY SURREAL. UGLY. AND the WORST part is it is NOT ending !

I will NOT watch the wedding. (The commentators will be unbearable " And there is the mother of the bride..."  "...the world awaits Kate Middleton...Princess Catherine..." OMG. Tragic. NO way. I will REMEMBER the DAYS of beauty and royalty and class, thankyou. PC and PD !!
Enough. I NEED A BREAK. LOL.  :thumbsdown:


Title: Re: IF Ms. Middleton still smokes? A few things of interest....
Post by: Kuei Fei on January 29, 2011, 02:59:54 am
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(They SHOULD have had restraining orders out against these fools YEARS ago. )


Why they didn't is beyond me. It really really is. Any NORMAL man would have, after the breakup, ensured that Kate NOT show up to his usual places or he owuld stay away until things cooled down. But if said ex kept following him around, a restraining order would have been right and perfeclty legal. The RF has been too nice for too long and for hte life of me I have to wonder, WHY doesn't the RF for once go for low blows?


Title: Re: IF Ms. Middleton still smokes? A few things of interest....
Post by: Byechoc on January 29, 2011, 10:01:18 am
I want to say I am lying so you will give me a hug  :legs

but I am not.  :sorry:

Carol smokes

Pippa smokes

Kate smokes

William smokes

Harry smokes

and Chelsy too

not sure about Mike and James though  :think:
The Queen smokes

The Princess Margereth smoked

The Prince Phillip somoke...

Well you just have to look to some documentary.... once i saw one and they asked what The queen have is her bag:one courtier said she does not have money it's the lady that goes with her that has her money, she loves smoke..so cigaretts


Title: Re: IF Ms. Middleton still smokes? A few things of interest....
Post by: Yooper on January 29, 2011, 12:41:48 pm
^^^Hey, Lanvin!   I've got your back on this one.  The decision has been made in my mind to not watch this wedding.  My disappointment and loss of respect is on so many levels, I've stopped counting. 


Title: Re: IF Ms. Middleton still smokes? A few things of interest....
Post by: Kuei Fei on January 29, 2011, 02:06:51 pm
I'm not going to torture mhyself by watching this Roman style triumph. Seeing that you-know-what put on virginal airs will be impossible to put up with and seeing the smug looks of the Midds will be worse. This isn't a marriage of love, but of public relations.


Title: Re: IF Ms. Middleton still smokes? A few things of interest....
Post by: Lanvin Pearls on January 29, 2011, 11:03:45 pm
THANKYOU YOOPER AND KF, TOO !  :thankyou: So sorry not yelling. I am REALLY fed up. Mostly because, I really had hopes for HM's chewing PW out and POSTPONING. My God, why not ??   :o  :dontknow:

Now, don't get me wrong -  I PERSONALLY basically do NOT care about KM MOST of the time. Let her marry as HIGH as she can wants ! BUT TO SHOOT FOR THE ROYAL FAMILY ??!!  AND get there ?! It really IS INSANE on the RF's part. I CANNOT EVEN FATHOM PW's interest in this VERY NON-special woman, in EVERY single way. 

And, ADD to the NUT MIX , why on earth HM and PC cared less about those low scheming parents, and that embarassing, degrading, criminal UNCLE ! I am going to burst I am SO baffled !

AND, please, can someone please explain to me WHY on earth THE MEDIA NEVER MENTIONS UNCLE GARY ?? (THAT story should be HUGE. And should be ALL over the place !) Right ?   :hiss:  :o


Title: Re: IF Ms. Middleton still smokes? A few things of interest....
Post by: Kuei Fei on January 30, 2011, 04:10:03 am
Let it out Lanvin. It's better than holding it in and going :James: on some random person in the street over it.

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can someone please explain to me WHY on earth THE MEDIA NEVER MENTIONS UNCLE GARY ?? (THAT story should be HUGE. And should be ALL over the place !)


They might be waiting until after the wedding and it's not like the media doens't have bigger stories to talk about. I'm sure that dear Uncle Gary will end up with plenty of press in the future, especially when the media and tabloids do take notice and start some digging.


Title: Re: IF Ms. Middleton still smokes? A few things of interest....
Post by: Yooper on January 30, 2011, 04:24:42 am
KF's right, Lanvin.  Let it out here.  Honestly, I can feel and sense the frustration in all of us.  It's the not making any sense part of it that gets to me.  Whoever said it was like going in slow motion and fast at the same time was right.   As for UG.  The press will pull him out eventually.  On that I have no doubt.  He's bound and gagged for the wedding, but once he feels a sense of 'untouchable prestige', he'll make a mess of things.  But, why put us all through this?  It makes me very angry and frustrated, too!

I'm having a devil of a time with screen freezeup here, so if this doesn't make sense.  Sorry!


Title: Re: IF Ms. Middleton still smokes? A few things of interest....
Post by: Kuei Fei on January 30, 2011, 04:35:28 am
So much of this future misery is so avoidable, it's disgusting, that's what gets to me. William could have dropped her and left her to fend for herself as she should and he isn't. This woman will be a major drag with all her scheming and trouble she'll make; just you see, she can't avoid trouble and she will make it for those around her. People on the street sense it, but William and the rest of the RF either don't or they have some subconscious death wish.


Title: Re: IF Ms. Middleton still smokes? A few things of interest....
Post by: Yooper on January 30, 2011, 05:06:58 am
I know, KF.  I know.  Any feeble threads of hope I've tried to conjure up in my brain have vanished as each new day dawned and it became worse.  Emotional or material blackmail is all I'm left with.

Historically, this family would have been thrown out on their ears by such a strong force as The Firm.  Nothing else but gun-point makes any sense.  Or, as you said, they've a death wish.

 


Title: Re: IF Ms. Middleton still smokes? A few things of interest....
Post by: Kuei Fei on January 30, 2011, 07:30:45 am
Didn't Kate do some sort of all female crew thing in the past? Does anyone have details on that?


Title: Re: IF Ms. Middleton still smokes? A few things of interest....
Post by: Yooper on January 30, 2011, 03:49:19 pm
Do you mean the rowing team, KF?


Title: Re: IF Ms. Middleton still smokes? A few things of interest....
Post by: Kuei Fei on January 30, 2011, 04:13:55 pm
No, it was soemthing else.


Title: Re: IF Ms. Middleton still smokes? A few things of interest....
Post by: mousiekins on January 30, 2011, 05:19:42 pm
The Club at Saint Andrew's?

Lumsden Club - a drinking club.


Title: Re: IF Ms. Middleton still smokes? A few things of interest....
Post by: Kuei Fei on January 30, 2011, 05:55:10 pm
No, it mentioned that Kate served as part of an all female yacht crew, some sort of short stint.


Title: Re: IF Ms. Middleton still smokes? A few things of interest....
Post by: mousiekins on January 30, 2011, 07:56:45 pm
Oh, I remember now.

Yes, during her Gap Year she took part on a GB Yacht and that is where she met another Yacht hand and had a very steamy fling with him.

I did know the name of the Yacht she was on. Will do some digging.  :thumbsup:


Title: Re: IF Ms. Middleton still smokes? A few things of interest....
Post by: Kuei Fei on January 30, 2011, 08:08:17 pm
Real steamy fling? Another potential tell all.


Title: Re: IF Ms. Middleton still smokes? A few things of interest....
Post by: mousiekins on January 30, 2011, 08:18:16 pm
She was a deckhand on the BT Global Challenge yacht during the summer of 2001



Title: Re: IF Ms. Middleton still smokes? A few things of interest....
Post by: Kuei Fei on January 30, 2011, 08:19:02 pm
Well, so she has actually worked.


Title: Re: IF Ms. Middleton still smokes? A few things of interest....
Post by: mousiekins on January 30, 2011, 08:49:37 pm
Yes an entire month 10 years ago being a yacht.

Princess material after all  :rolleyes:


Title: Re: IF Ms. Middleton still smokes? A few things of interest....
Post by: Lanvin Pearls on January 31, 2011, 01:20:15 am
THANKYOU  Yooper AND KF !!   :lips:  (Your support about my "letting it all out" on here. ) Sometimes, I think I'm being too bitchy or mean , BUT in reality, deep down I know I am not.  It just really is unfathomable that CM and UG have gotten away with SO MUCH. And KM is SO unsuitable. Blah Blah Blah. We all know it all, right ?  OK ...

I just SERIOUSLY have all but given up HOPE. PW deserves all the misery he has ASKED for, IMO. The BRF too.   :thumbsdown:

As you can all see. I really waiver. I care. THEN I DON'T.   :dontknow:

You guys are BEAUTIFUL, SUPPORTIVE, GREAT people, in every way. Love your guts, all of you !!  :lips:  :flirt:  :stars:


Title: Re: IF Ms. Middleton still smokes? A few things of interest....
Post by: Kuei Fei on January 31, 2011, 02:35:08 am
Coming here keeps me sane and it reminds me all the time that there is sanity in this loony world. MOrals still exist even if hte DM doesn't want to face that.


Title: Re: IF Ms. Middleton still smokes? A few things of interest....
Post by: Yooper on January 31, 2011, 03:05:27 am
What's bothering me, Lanvin and KF and anybody else out there, is the sense of overall tension and frustration that is starting to infiltrate this entire group.  It's as if some force is really getting to people.  And it's starting to show.  I've sure done my fair share of b#tching and desperately try to keep myself from just exploding, but it's really getting harder and harder the closer we get to this, let's face it, avoidable disaster.

I just figure, they're not worth it, and shrug it off most of the time, but that's easier said than done, at times.  If I was a British citizen and raised the way I have been, my head would pop off, so I bow, again, to the restraint that the whole country is showing at what is, to me, an embarrassment.  From the useless Royal Condoms to the roller-skating 'princess perfect' and her pimping drug-selling uncle, it's about as below the belt as you can get. 


Title: Re: IF Ms. Middleton still smokes? A few things of interest....
Post by: Kuei Fei on January 31, 2011, 03:09:36 am
I've noticed too, I've felt it myself. Two days before the engagement annoucement, I was as perky as the rest of you, laughing our heads off and feeling that William would smarten up, but two days later I was in a good mood and then THIS travesty was announced. Like a dark cloud suddenly blew up over my head. The tension is all over Britain too in the comments and general negativity. Anarchists attacking, threatening the wedding party, the economy getting worse and all the while KM is out jaunty as if she hit her jackpot.


Title: Re: IF Ms. Middleton still smokes? A few things of interest....
Post by: Yooper on January 31, 2011, 03:12:10 am
It was the best of times, it was the worst of times, KF.


Title: Re: IF Ms. Middleton still smokes? A few things of interest....
Post by: Kuei Fei on January 31, 2011, 04:04:14 am
I think the frustration has been making it's mark in the public sphere too. All those nasty comments when it was announced that Kate was leaving PP; I've never read so many things so scathing. It's so obvious that Kate isn't wanted, but the press is determined to shove Kate on the public and MAKE the public like her. I wonder if this is how it was when Anne Boleyn was crowned Queen. Then of course, during this hideous economy we are watching a pampered brat get the ring, instead of someone who will actually represent Britain with dignity.


Title: Re: IF Ms. Middleton still smokes? A few things of interest....
Post by: Yooper on January 31, 2011, 04:42:54 am
You're certainly right about the frustration building no matter how hard the media machine tries to make it something it's not.  I honestly don't see this going anywhere but down.  The snowball doesn't roll uphill.

And that makes me angry.  I, too, started out so excited and all my silly party plans for the wedding have been dashed and now it's just so, so, unpleasant to see the monarchy shed in such an unattractive light because of this one woman and her grappling family.  I even smell revolution and she seems to be the spark that ignited it.  Maybe?  I just don't know what to  make of it anymore, but am so disheartened because I really wanted to get into the spirit of the thing and care about her dress and their future, etc.  It could've been something wonderful and a morale boost so badly needed.  Instead, we get all...this.


Title: Re: IF Ms. Middleton still smokes? A few things of interest....
Post by: Kuei Fei on January 31, 2011, 05:06:27 am
The RF isn't listening and the poeple who are listening, aren't being paid attention to. If there isn't violence on the wedding day, then I'm sure that the minute she makes her first major gaffe, the press won't be able to protect her from the wrath of an outraged citizenry. It's sucha position of historical significance.


Title: Re: IF Ms. Middleton still smokes? A few things of interest....
Post by: YooperModerator on January 31, 2011, 11:58:54 pm
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I even smell revolution and she seems to be the spark that ignited it.  Maybe?
Oh please ppl relax!
I know it's an annoying situation but don't give her to much credit she is not important enough to get a revolution started over! if she were the wife of the brit PM or POTUS... yes maybe, but she's still a nobody on global scale...
Ppl don't care enough to start a revolution over her, they care more about their immediate job future and financial status and the countries economics!
That might be a more threatening reason for the British ppl to start a revolution then the possible future wife of the son, of the son of the Queen.
They complain about the government not about Kate
Those comments are just nasty because the papers don't focus on actual news like they should!
They don't want to read about this girl because there's more important stuff going on at the moment!


Title: Re: IF Ms. Middleton still smokes? A few things of interest....
Post by: Yooper on February 01, 2011, 02:03:33 am
Akasha - Since you used a quote from my post, I feel that it's appropriate for me to respond.  I fully understand where you're coming from, and see your point of view.  What concerns me, though, is in the past week or so, there are a lot of people here, myself included, who are getting a little, no, make that a lot, frustrated and testy.  It helped me, for instance, to just express how I was feeling at the moment I wrote that because there are a lot of really angry people out there and they weren't before this all happened.

When people are taking to the streets and attacking PC's car and the economy is tanking and anarchists are threatening, it's not a totally illogical thought to wonder at the future of the monarchy.  And, just for me, it seems that KM just brings out the worst in people and that's not healthy for any country, gov't or leadership. 

Take it for what it's worth or not.  It just feels like everybody's gotten to the end of their rope and sometimes just accepting that would go a long way towards calming things down.  I intend to do my part.  For you -  :flower:


Title: Re: IF Ms. Middleton still smokes? A few things of interest....
Post by: Kuei Fei on February 01, 2011, 02:11:53 am
To be honest, this who 'romance is such a grotesque parody of a love story, it's no wonder poeple are practically rioting in the streets. This is like watching some benefits mooch with ten kids (all out of wedlock) march up the aisle with a sweet, gentle guy waiting, while all the women who have lived responsible lives sit in the congregation, single and still hunting for a nice guy. It stopped ibeing love a long time ago and became a running joke for a reason, no one thought she would get the ring. It stopped being funny when the engagement was announced because of the very fact that it's about ambition, not love. People don't like to see the lazy and immoral enjoy things that the responsible should be getting.


Title: Re: IF Ms. Middleton still smokes? A few things of interest....
Post by: June on February 01, 2011, 03:48:05 am
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I even smell revolution and she seems to be the spark that ignited it.  Maybe?
Oh please ppl relax!
I know it's an annoying situation but don't give her to much credit she is not important enough to get a revolution started over! if she were the wife of the brit PM or POTUS... yes maybe, but she's still a nobody on global scale...
Ppl don't care enough to start a revolution over her, they care more about their immediate job future and financial status and the countries economics!
That might be a more threatening reason for the British ppl to start a revolution then the possible future wife of the son, of the son of the Queen.
They complain about the government not about Kate
Those comments are just nasty because the papers don't focus on actual news like they should!
They don't want to read about this girl because there's more important stuff going on at the moment!

Revolution might be an exaggeration, but certainly, in Australia, respected newspapers have reported about this engagement igniting the republic debate in Oz.  :flower:

Just to note, revolutions aren't started overnight. And, I believe that Yooper's point here is that, Kate may be the proverbial straw to break the camel's back - correct me if I'm wrong, Yooper.  :angel:

After Charles, William couldn't afford to get it wrong, which I think he has, as do many others, obviously. I do think that people are so apathetic and concerned with the machinations of governments, as you say, that they are willing to keep the royal family on the payroll, if for no other reason that the Queen keeps a lot of less desirable persons out of the "top job". Ok, I stole that last idea from a high profile person in Oz.  :angel:

Notwithstanding, I do feel the winds of change ...


Title: Re: IF Ms. Middleton still smokes? A few things of interest....
Post by: Yooper on February 01, 2011, 03:55:29 am
You are most certainly correct in your assessment at my rather clumsy interpretation of my 'thoughts', June.   :thankyou:


Title: Re: IF Ms. Middleton still smokes? A few things of interest....
Post by: Kuei Fei on February 01, 2011, 04:06:38 am
I think, only think, that many supporters of William nad Kate fail to see that the future KING/QUEEN is going ot be their respective HEAD OF STATE and if the Sovereign leads a life that is covered more in the tabloids than the respectable papers, it humiliates the country.

Britain was dragged through the gutter during the nineties and that is why Commonwealth countries chose to disassociate themselves from Britain. Clinton had his moments, but he was out after eight years and the economy was so good that I think he coudl have set up his own personal brothel in the White House and gotten away with it.

With William though, people looked at him and saw a future free from one humiliation after another and a future where he would be a faithful husband and lvoing father and a good future king. Everyone understood a lot of things and let him go his way, but this is unforgivable. He doesn't have the restrictions his father had and I daresay that as a result, he has less excuse to choose unsuitably. These days 'unsuitable' means something massive, not just having a past.

He could marry someone with a humble job and no lineage or he could marry a princess from any royal house. Go figure, he chooses someone with the worst possible background (not social, but behavioral) and with one warning sign after another. Just posing in ligerie would send a signal, but it's all added up and everyone sees it but William.

She's been a national punchline and that's bad enough, but mainly bceause everyone knows it isn't about love, but about ambition. It's been obvious since 2007. but now, a woman with nothing but trouble to offer is getting not just a ring, but the highest marital 'catch' in the world and she's not even pretending ot appreciate it even.


Title: Re: IF Ms. Middleton still smokes? A few things of interest....
Post by: Yooper on February 01, 2011, 04:11:55 am
Totally OT, are people sick of my avatar yet?  I looked at it and thought...overdone?

Ok, back to the discussion at hand.


Title: Re: IF Ms. Middleton still smokes? A few things of interest....
Post by: Earth Angel on February 01, 2011, 04:14:53 am
Appreciate her new social status!? pffft. She's more than likely felt entitled since at least 2007! Her family just couldn't wait to make money off the high profile event and subsequent status, hence the encouragement, by William and Kate, for people to have street parties & join in on the fun, and Party Pieces making it a marketing priority to have the supplies anyone needs to party in the streets with merch from the future Queens family!

It's really all quite obvious to many people, but the Middletons fail to see their own vulgarity and utter inappropriateness! I've known people from all walks of life, yet I don't know one person who has angled to make money off their own daughter's wedding! :thumbsdown:  And probably "exclusive" street party merchandise at that!

P.S. I like your avatar Y., makes me smile! And aside from the detriments of smoking, apparently the detriments of vulgarity, such as shameless profiteering and excessive partying are in the Middleton bloodline!


Title: Re: IF Ms. Middleton still smokes? A few things of interest....
Post by: Yooper on February 01, 2011, 04:19:49 am
Thanks, EA, I like to make people smile.  Somebody let me know when it's played, tho, ok?

The Middletons?  Self-aware?  Oxymoron?


Title: Re: IF Ms. Middleton still smokes? A few things of interest....
Post by: Kuei Fei on February 01, 2011, 05:37:12 am
This marriage will be Freeloading Fergie x 5 (all the members of the Middleton clan) and I seriously pity the Brits.


Title: Re: IF Ms. Middleton still smokes? A few things of interest....
Post by: YooperModerator on February 01, 2011, 11:05:14 pm
Sorry about my snappish comment before :sorry: but you know... I'm having a double feeling about this whole case:
Like a classic devil versus angel thingy  :rolleyes:
On one hand I am with you in all this, I'm sooo sick & tiered of this girl! She and her family just make me angry because as a royal fan I can see that she is going to do some real bad damage to the RF's reputation and all the hard work that people like  HM, Anne and Charles put in this is going to waste and I don't want to see that happen...,
I care to much about this RF to allow that to happen  :(  :bat:  :nervous: :hiss:

And on the other hand I'm thinking like: Why the hell should I angry over this girl and her guy so much anyway?, I'll never meet them in person, I don't have to finance their live trough taxes and half of the tripe they write about them are fictions from gutterpress anyway! It's his own damn choice! If he's to dumb to realise that she is not the right way to go I say, just let them rot because noting you say is gonna change a thing about this whole mess, just relax and enjoy the fireworks when it all comes crashing down!
I don't care anymore! :snob:  8) :chill:

And yesterday that second part came trough a bit to strong :shy:, I apologize if I trot on anyone's toes because of this!  :sorry:


Title: Re: IF Ms. Middleton still smokes? A few things of interest....
Post by: Earth Angel on February 01, 2011, 11:34:33 pm
 8) ^^^ I think you were fine in your comments. We're all allowed to have opinions, however strong they may become. This situation makes me experience a whole range of emotions, primarily because the Middleton's are a joke and then it just snowballs from there. Then there are times I'm just apathetic about the whole thing. Yet it's like the future King has decided to marry the court jester's sister! And it's fundamentally the principle of the matter that gets me worked up.

No matter how much some people would love to see traditional hierarchy collapse, such is what our civilisation is built upon and those same people don't seem to realize the chaos and calamity that will pervade our lives if post structuralist ideology takes over our western culture. The implications for disintegration of the class system are rife with corruption and disorder in the bigger picture. Not a world I'd like to live in anyway.

Besides, when any jezebel off the street can be elevated to Queen consort and wife of a future Head of State, I think the absurdity of the human condition is exemplified! Enough to make me mad sometimes. ...

Some people just don't have what it takes to be in positions of authority and when it eventually becomes a free for all, social climbing, power hungry world, we will all know what it's like to live with the blind leading the blind! We'll be right back to the beginning, living by the laws of the jungle, so to speak.

I still think you're great Akasha!  kisss  


Title: Re: IF Ms. Middleton still smokes? A few things of interest....
Post by: YooperModerator on February 02, 2011, 12:13:33 am
 :AWW:
Thanks EA!  :thankyou:


Title: Re: IF Ms. Middleton still smokes? A few things of interest....
Post by: Kuei Fei on February 02, 2011, 02:01:52 am
BRILLIANT POST EA.

What so many in the UK, who promote a Republic, do'nt understand, is taht social class is everywhere. In the US it has to do with how old your fortune is, or your ancestry in relation to the Founding Fathers and war veterans. It's a LOT more subtle too and JFK was rich, but not 'social' and all the Kennedy men married 'higher up' on the social scale. Then Grace Kelly's father was peeved about not being good enough to be accepted by Main Line society, while he could have bought his way into the Social Register and wanted his daughter Grace to marry into soceity, meanwhile her family acted as pretentious as could be (looking down on Jews and Oleg Cassini as not being good enough for Grace) and were morbidly concerned about appearances.

As for your feelings on Kate, I think it's more revulsion mixed with fascination.


Title: Re: IF Ms. Middleton still smokes? A few things of interest....
Post by: Earth Angel on February 02, 2011, 02:25:54 am
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I think it's more revulsion mixed with fascination.  

This statement reminded me of the attraction for people, to circus side shows and freak shows!  :laugh:


Title: Re: IF Ms. Middleton still smokes? A few things of interest....
Post by: Kuei Fei on February 03, 2011, 12:31:54 am
Considering the situation I think that's more than enough of an apt description.