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Title: If Prince Charles becomes King Charles, will his kingdom leave him?
Post by: Emperor on June 19, 2014, 06:26:51 pm
If Prince Charles becomes King Charles, will his kingdom leave him?

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By John Lloyd

(Reuters) - Could Prince Charles finally get his crown? And if he does, could it mean the end of the United Kingdom?

Abdication in favor of the younger generation seems to be something of a trend in Europe — if two cases can be considered a trend. Queen Beatrix of the Netherlands abdicated last year so that her son, Willem-Alexander, could bring some youth and vitality to the largely ceremonial role.

More recently, King Juan Carlos, widely credited with having assisted the end of the Franco dictatorship in Spain in 1975 and with puncturing a rather feeble coup attempt in 1981, vacated the throne in favor of his son, Felipe. The announcement was followed by large demonstrations calling for an end to the monarchy entirely, with Cayo Lara, leader of the United Left Coalition, quoted as saying, “We are not subjects, we are citizens.”

And that’s the problem. While individual monarchs may be popular in Europe, monarchy is something else.

To be sure, Spain is its own case. There is 25 percent unemployment, with 50 percent of the young unemployed. Leftists did well there in the recent European Parliament elections.

Britain, on the other hand, has an economy that is growing quite strongly, and people who are doing well are less likely to look to upset a centuries-old apple cart.

But a transfer of power, now much forecast, could change that. Power transferred is power in peril.

Queen Elizabeth’s official birthday (her real one was in April) was celebrated this past weekend with the Trooping of the Color, a ceremony first invented in the 17th century.

The British monarchy, enthroned without break since that time, is surrounded by such rituals – archaic, mysterious to many and still treasured — which the British perform with a solemn and meticulous concentration.

Elizabeth is now 88. Her son Prince Charles, 66 this winter, incautiously admitted two years ago that he was “impatient” to rule, adding with his customary self-deprecation, “I’ll run out of time soon. I shall have snuffed it (died) if I’m not careful.”

Charles’ adulterous (on both sides) marriage to Diana was splayed across every newspaper in the world. The queen, apparently much disturbed by it, appears to have decided that she must continue to bear the burden of the crown, perhaps to punish him, perhaps to ensure that her popularity buoys the monarchy for as long as possible.

When Charles’ son, Prince William, married Kate Middleton three years ago and was seen to have a nice smile and a pleasant way with saying nothing memorable, there was much speculation about “skipping a generation.” The palace press relations people moved to kill that one. Charles’ press secretary underlined that his master would not be “a shadow king.”

The only person in the royal family less popular than Charles is his wife, the Duchess of Cornwall, with whom he continued a long affair while both were married to others, and whom he married after Diana’s death.

So, what might happen if Charles were to take the throne, through inheritance or abdication?

A further weakening of the United Kingdom. It’s possible that if Scotland votes to remain part of the UK in the fall, an unpopular king on a London throne could renew the independence push.

A vote to discontinue the British monarch as head of state in Australia – a referendum to abolish the monarchy only just failed 14 years ago — and perhaps, too, in Canada.

A surge of republicanism, which is presently weak as a movement, but likely to appeal to a younger generation with little loyalty to a monarchy.

A fading of Britain’s largest tourist attraction, as the royals lose their allure.

Now, that allure still very much moves the wheels of the press in the UK, and two recent incidents demonstrate the very different treatment queen and prince receive. The stories come from behind the British royal family’s closed doors, and both are well attested. Both were told off the record.

Word was out – perhaps put out by one of the palace servants who adds to his or her income by informing newspapers of royal tidbits – that one of the queen’s corgis had died. The queen often seems to believe, along with the revolutionary animals in George Orwell’s 1984, that four legs – horses, corgis – are better than two: and in dog-loving, horse-betting Britain, that’s part of the reason for her endearment to high and low. So the story was hot.

A royal correspondent of the most popular tabloid, Rupert Murdoch’s Sun, called in some excitement to the palace duty press man, and asked for the queen’s reaction to this. It was late in the evening; the press man doubted the queen would unburden her grief for The Sun: he refused to ask.

The reporter, feeling a chill wind readying itself to blow from the news desk were he to return without a quote, insisted, asking finally – how would you feel if your dog died? Well, said the press man, I guess I’d feel pretty upset. The reporter rang off and the next morning’s banner headline stated that according to palace insiders, the queen was quite distraught.

Charles gets no such benefit of the doubt, as the second incident shows. A story about the prince, perhaps leaked by another palace tipster, revealed that Charles had a valet put toothpaste on his toothbrush of an evening. The story continued on to say that Charles had no clue as to why that might strike people as funny.

The stories are neatly juxtaposed because the first spurs, in the breast of many Brits, affection: the second scorn. They are the core of the First Family’s present dilemma.

The best minds in British public relations have helped bolster the monarchy for decades. They have had a good product to present. The famously aggressive tabloids, knowing their readership would punish them if they turned against Elizabeth, showered her with sugary love. Charles III, as he will be known if and when he is crowned, has been much bloodied by tabloids. God will have to work hard to save a none-too-gracious king.

https://tv.yahoo.com/news/prince-charles-becomes-king-charles-kingdom-leave-him-170031892.html


Title: Re: If Prince Charles becomes King Charles, will his kingdom leave him?
Post by: The Alley Cat... on June 20, 2014, 12:08:00 am
It is sad to think his country he loves so dearly, probably most likely will not let him take to the throne he's worked his whole life to be on.  He did it to himself by his tawdriness with Camilla, and most recently with his letters to politicians. And what is even worse is his son doesn't seem to want the throne in all of it's responsibilities, only the glories. 

I'd *despise* to see the UK without a monarchy, but maybe it's time to let it go?


Title: Re: If Prince Charles becomes King Charles, will his kingdom leave him?
Post by: cate1949 on June 20, 2014, 12:25:18 am
PC is more popular than the elected officials - I think people will - perhaps grudgingly - give him his chance thinking he has earned it.  He is unlikely to be on the throne for long anyway.


Title: Re: If Prince Charles becomes King Charles, will his kingdom leave him?
Post by: Rosella on June 20, 2014, 12:46:26 am
I agree, Cate. He is certainly not as popular as his mother. William is popular, however, much more popular than any politician. (So, for that matter, is Charles.) People aren't likely to be calling for a Republic under those circumstances, especially with a monarchy engrained in the national life as this one.

A lot of 'ifs', 'buts' and 'maybes' in that article, and quite typical really. Incidentally, the Republic referendum in Australia didn't 'just fail'. There had to be, for it to pass, a majority 'Yes' vote in each State as well as a majority overall. It didn't get a majority in any State.


Title: Re: If Prince Charles becomes King Charles, will his kingdom leave him?
Post by: Kuei Fei on June 20, 2014, 04:21:11 am
It is sad to think his country he loves so dearly, probably most likely will not let him take to the throne he's worked his whole life to be on.  He did it to himself by his tawdriness with Camilla, and most recently with his letters to politicians. And what is even worse is his son doesn't seem to want the throne in all of it's responsibilities, only the glories. 

I'd *despise* to see the UK without a monarchy, but maybe it's time to let it go?

Here's one view I do have:

He's become out of touch since his marriage to Camilla; beating a dead horse, but thing is, women don't like mistresses becoming wives. He was popular and secure enough to marry Camilla, but he squandered it on the very woman who nearly cost him his position in the first place.

Thing is, if he thought like a politician, it would have been Camilla in Paris with rumors that Charles/RF had did her in, not Diana. If he had kept Camilla as his mistress and been upfront about the fact that he was supporting his mistress, I am certain that any scandal would have blown over and Camilla would have ended up taking the heat, but that is what you get when you mess around with a married man and break up a marriage and blow apart a family.

Thing is, the monarchy can survive a lot of things, but monarchs take a huge blow when they marry a mistress, especially when there was a wife existing beforehand. Henry VIII was a borderline autocrat, but face endless challenges when (and after ) he tossed his wife out and married/crowned Anne Boleyn.

He promised that the marriage would be morganatic, but whispers of Queen Camilla will continue to undermine him. In the nineties he swore he would never remarry, but he has, and chances are, realistically, that he will try to crown Camilla Queen, which will tick off:

Conservatives - They don't like divorce, but they dislike a mistress becoming a wife even more. Men, because they know that mistresses are not credible partners in a marriage and are not at all 'good news,' (they remain mistresses for a reason) and conservative women don't like home-wreckers becoming wives (for obvious reasons). Clergy don't approve of divorce or adultery, a two-fer against Camilla.

Liberals - Against adultery and divorce on grounds that women don't deserve to be cheated on or rejected by a spouse for a different woman.

Monarchists - Diana was titled and part of the aristocracy and royal marriage has in fact ended up being made all the more unstable. I like to think that the royalty around the world and aristocracy in Britain don't like the idea that royal women are married, used as wombs, but then get thrown out because the prince is done with them and left to fend for themselves. It also creates insecurity for royal children and the succession; Henry VIII's behavior caused issues of legitimacy to surround his children after his death. Even most Catholics never recognized Edward VI and Elizabeth was plagued her entire life by it.

Republicans - They might not like the monarchy, but they care about the prestige of their country and a mistress marrying a prince and representing their country as the feminine 'face' of the nation is not at all what is good for the image of the country. These scandals also distract the politicians from their job as well.

As for William, he is popular with the press, but not the people, as evidenced by all the comments and all the jokes at his wife's expense.


Title: Re: If Prince Charles becomes King Charles, will his kingdom leave him?
Post by: sandy on June 21, 2014, 07:47:57 pm
Charles also did not have just an ordinary mistress but one who wanted it all and got most of what the first wife had. She disrespected the wife, called her names (that ridiculous creature) and usurped her place as hostess all with the full approval of the Prince. This was not done by royal mistresses--Edward VII's mistresses never tried to insult the wife). Charles even blabbed on international television that he cheated on his wife--something a royal never did (Camilla was named as the one he cheated with at a press conference given by Charles' secretary). Charles was locked in and I think Camilla was no passive participation. She got what she wanted,

Charles was planning to eventually marry her once he divorced Diana it was not a matter to having to wait until Diana died. He had to wait 8 years which involved spin for Camilla plus he had to wait until his grandmother passed on (since she did not want the marriage in her lifetime. Charles had a huge birthday party for Camilla at Highgrove while Diana was still alive and also a documentary about Camilla was broadcast while Diana was alive (and the documentary was with the full approval of the Prince of Wales). Once Charles named Camilla back in 1994 he was pretty much obligated. Had he not done so he could have married another woman (a single woman or widow perhaps) from the aristocracy.

Charles perhaps should have dropped being with married women before he even thought of courting a wife. He had too much baggage when he courted Lady Diana and other suitable women he was seeking as a wife.

Had he not just used Diana for expediency's sake then went back to the mistress he would certainly be more popular than he is today (he is not universally beloved) to put it mildly. He put his own needs ahead of all else even his children.


Title: Re: If Prince Charles becomes King Charles, will his kingdom leave him?
Post by: CathyJane on June 21, 2014, 09:37:29 pm
Totally agree Sandy. Chuck is a selfish child who will never ever put any ones needs before his. Diana was right when she said (in so many words) that he wasn't fit to be king.


Title: Re: If Prince Charles becomes King Charles, will his kingdom leave him?
Post by: Kuei Fei on June 22, 2014, 05:09:11 pm
You know, I wondered sometimes about why men didn't just marry a mistress, or why they didn't marry the woman who became the mistress, but thing is, that he was refused by more worldly women for a reason. Reasons that are obvious.

What makes it worse, is that he can't just own up and take responsibility for his choices. He couldn't just say that he wasted the best years of his life on all the wrong types of women and instead blamed a lack of suitable women and once he had Diana, treated her bad because he wouldn't grow up and appreciate how ridiculously good he had it and then, determined to be the victim, messes it all up and messed up his wife's life as well.

Worst part is, he never told his mistress turned wife to just lump it if she didn't like the bad press, or reactions, he instead goes on a press war against his now dead ex-wife, keeping the drama going and doing all he can to justify his atrocious choices.

Camilla should have been told to deal with it if she didn't like it.

He's like a lot of foolish men, who have it all, but lost it all in the end when they could have done things differently. Charles is essentially to me a broken man who refuses to accept the great life he has and has no business being King when he can't even control a grasping mistress.


Title: Re: If Prince Charles becomes King Charles, will his kingdom leave him?
Post by: sandy on June 23, 2014, 12:03:37 am
The Queen allowing the marriage of Charles and Camilla just proves how she was and is in avoidance mode and avoids unpleasantness.  It continues with allowing her spoiled grandson to avoid doing royal work and as someone else on the Board pointed out Will is just two heartbeats away from being King and is very ill prepared.

 


Title: Re: If Prince Charles becomes King Charles, will his kingdom leave him?
Post by: Kuei Fei on June 23, 2014, 12:59:34 am
I'm surprised HM didn't find a way to exile Camilla and Andrew effectively removing the threat.

Of course, HM's position as wife has never been threatened, easy for her to take a cavalier approach (I suppose) and not understand why a mistress can be a threat against a wife and a marriage.


Title: Re: If Prince Charles becomes King Charles, will his kingdom leave him?
Post by: gingerboy24 on June 23, 2014, 11:28:13 am
It is common knowledge that PP had many affairs, and it is said that he has fathered children with other women, so HM did have a lot to contend with.  I suppose the only thing that can be said about PP and his affairs is that he was hardly likely to leave HM for another woman, but that was with regard to his own luxurious life continuing.  Had he thought a lot of HM he would not have laid her open to all that gossip and pain.


Title: Re: If Prince Charles becomes King Charles, will his kingdom leave him?
Post by: Kuei Fei on June 23, 2014, 11:40:54 am
Philip didn't let his mistresses badmouth the Queen.


Title: Re: If Prince Charles becomes King Charles, will his kingdom leave him?
Post by: sandy on June 23, 2014, 02:25:31 pm
And Philip did not have one of his mistresses usurp the Queen's place as hostess.  There was only one rumored child that Philip had not several--but there is no proof one way or the other.  Charles' ex Janet Jenkins said he fathered her son Jason.

Camilla was not the typical mistress--she had ambitions and maneuvered and schemed to get what she wanted.


Title: Re: If Prince Charles becomes King Charles, will his kingdom leave him?
Post by: Emperor on June 23, 2014, 03:50:36 pm
I'm surprised HM didn't find a way to exile Camilla and Andrew effectively removing the threat.

Of course, HM's position as wife has never been threatened, easy for her to take a cavalier approach (I suppose) and not understand why a mistress can be a threat against a wife and a marriage.

What has Prince Andrews got to do with this?


Title: Re: If Prince Charles becomes King Charles, will his kingdom leave him?
Post by: sandy on June 23, 2014, 04:18:17 pm
That is Andrew Parker Bowles. Not Prince Andrew. Camilla is about 13 years older than Prince Andrew.


Title: Re: If Prince Charles becomes King Charles, will his kingdom leave him?
Post by: Emperor on June 23, 2014, 05:12:26 pm
That is Andrew Parker Bowles. Not Prince Andrew. Camilla is about 13 years older than Prince Andrew.

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Title: Re: If Prince Charles becomes King Charles, will his kingdom leave him?
Post by: gingerboy24 on June 23, 2014, 09:44:38 pm
Of course PP was never going to allow a mistress to bad mouth the queen, and there was never any chance of him leaving his meal ticket to a life of luxury.  He did have more than one child, and it has been said that they have been found goode jobs and have had a good life.  That old goat certainly had more than one illegitimate child, and TPTB know all about them, as they do with everything that goes on in that dysfunctional family.


Title: Re: If Prince Charles becomes King Charles, will his kingdom leave him?
Post by: CathyJane on June 24, 2014, 03:29:13 am
Philip didn't let his mistresses badmouth the Queen.


Of course not. He knew what he had in her was something he could never replace. Power, lots of power


Title: Re: If Prince Charles becomes King Charles, will his kingdom leave him?
Post by: Rosella on June 24, 2014, 03:49:53 am
I don't know whether Philip did have lots of power, did he? I know he once referred to himself as 'an amoeba' because he could give his children his surname. In those much more deferential days he certainly was given respect, but I've always got the impression that the courtiers/grey men had a very great say in royal life when the Queen was younger and less experienced. Some of these men would have served her father. Anyway, off-topic! Sorry!


Title: Re: If Prince Charles becomes King Charles, will his kingdom leave him?
Post by: cate1949 on June 24, 2014, 04:07:29 am
I think the issue of not giving his kids his name was disturbing to him - perhaps only when he was younger

He certainly did though find a role for himself - with no precedents to follow


Title: Re: If Prince Charles becomes King Charles, will his kingdom leave him?
Post by: CathyJane on June 25, 2014, 02:09:01 am
I don't know whether Philip did have lots of power, did he? I know he once referred to himself as 'an amoeba' because he could give his children his surname. In those much more deferential days he certainly was given respect, but I've always got the impression that the courtiers/grey men had a very great say in royal life when the Queen was younger and less experienced. Some of these men would have served her father. Anyway, off-topic! Sorry!


I mean like power as in "I'm the Queen's hubs, wanna hop into bed". :nervous:


Title: Re: If Prince Charles becomes King Charles, will his kingdom leave him?
Post by: cate1949 on June 25, 2014, 02:37:28 am
^ sleeping with the monarch's spouse could result in detachment of head from neck in the past  :tehe:



Title: Re: If Prince Charles becomes King Charles, will his kingdom leave him?
Post by: Rosella on June 25, 2014, 03:19:44 am
I believe Kitty Kelley intended to write a tell-all book about Philip's indiscretions at one point and went  over to England to do some research. However, nobody gave her any credible or juicy information that she could weave into a biography, much to her frustration. The result of people keeping their mouths shut about Philip (in spite of many rumours over the years) was Kelley extending her book to include all the BRF.


Title: Re: If Prince Charles becomes King Charles, will his kingdom leave him?
Post by: meememe on June 25, 2014, 08:20:37 am
^ sleeping with the monarch's spouse could result in detachment of head from neck in the past  :tehe:




The Treason Law never referred to a male spouse but specifically to the 'wife of the monarch' and the 'wife of the heir to the throne' - if they slept with someone other then the King or Prince of Wales they committed treason - as did their male partner. That law is still in effect of course.


Title: Re: If Prince Charles becomes King Charles, will his kingdom leave him?
Post by: sandy on June 25, 2014, 03:09:11 pm
And Prince Charles was not hypocritical enough to use this law. His sleeping with married women and all that. If he even mentioned the law he would have been ousted from the throne and exiled. I see this old "punishment" antiquated sexist law discussion is rearing its ugly head on this thread.

Charles was said to have sired a child by Janet Jenkins. She claims it in any case.

There is also a code in the military about a man poaching a fellow officer's wife. Charles did this and got away with it. Another officer would face being ostracized or even court martialed. So much for the "codes" of behavior being followed.


Title: Re: If Prince Charles becomes King Charles, will his kingdom leave him?
Post by: Kuei Fei on June 25, 2014, 07:30:36 pm
^Oh the irony; in the US, you can get prosecuted for messing with the wife of a fellow officer, mainly since it threatens troop cohesion.

You know, Charles should have realized a long time ago WHY his ancestors never married their mistresses. It degraded the other women, who would then be required to show deference to a woman who had previously been in the shadows and upsets the entire social structure.

Camilla is a usurper plain and simple.

Charles has no business being king; as much as it is his birthright, there are a lot of reasons you NEVER marry a mistress. IF Charles really cared about the succession and stopped feeling sorry for himself, stopped seeing himself as a victim, I am certain that he would likely have never married Camilla.

This is a man who viewed marrying a six foot tall blonde haired, blue eyed aristocrat with heaps of royal blood as a martyrdom. Spoiled brat, all the way.


Title: Re: If Prince Charles becomes King Charles, will his kingdom leave him?
Post by: CathyJane on June 25, 2014, 09:47:05 pm
Well said, KF!


Title: Re: If Prince Charles becomes King Charles, will his kingdom leave him?
Post by: sandy on June 26, 2014, 12:56:54 am
I agree. Very well said KF. She is indeed a usurper.


Title: Re: If Prince Charles becomes King Charles, will his kingdom leave him?
Post by: cate1949 on June 26, 2014, 01:38:12 am
like it or not - PC will be KIng - hopefully Camilla will not be queen consort - I do think that would be just too much

but - just cause someone is tall, beautiful and has noble lineage doesn't mean they are great people or a joy to live with - now I am saying this in a general way - but even so-Charles and Diana were obviously not a match made in heaven - oil and water -


Title: Re: If Prince Charles becomes King Charles, will his kingdom leave him?
Post by: sandy on June 26, 2014, 02:58:35 am
Marriage takes work. With another woman waiting in the wings it gave Charles IMO less incentive to try to work on the marriage. I think he wanted a broodmare to have his heirs and I think he truly believed Diana would be OK with sharing him with Camilla just as APB was willing to share.  Diana thought he would be through with her once he took the marriage vows.

Charles IMO should have had a clean slate, no mistresses hanging about, when he went courting the suitable wife.

Charles and Diana maybe would not have been a match made in heaven even if Camilla had not been around. But marriages made in heaven or not take work. IMO Charles had this huge sense of entitlement and Camilla was greedy and manipulative.

And Camilla was not just the mistress that Charles slept with from time to time--she wanted more and made sure she got most of what Diana had. She also undermined the wife and even usurped her spot as hostess at Highgrove while Charles and Diana were still married. In former days the mistresses never dared undermine the wife or try to take over. Charles gave Camilla carte blanche to trash his wife and the mother of his children.


Title: Re: If Prince Charles becomes King Charles, will his kingdom leave him?
Post by: Rosella on June 26, 2014, 03:34:13 am
I was and am a fan of Diana, and agree that Charles should never have married her, feeling as he did. However, Charles is now married to Camilla, they've been married for years, and things are as they are.

By the time Charles comes to the throne Diana will probably have been dead for twenty years or more. (It will be seventeen years this August.) There's a whole generation of people 25 and under who don't remember her or have faint recollections.

I believe that Charles will test the waters, so to speak, in the months before his Coronation, and if the population seems agreeable to or even apathetic about Camilla becoming Queen, not Princess Consort, then he will seize the opportunity and Camilla will be Queen. He absolutely adores her.
 However, without wishing the woman ill, if there is a long wait for the throne of another ten years or so, I'm not sure Camilla will make it.


Title: Re: If Prince Charles becomes King Charles, will his kingdom leave him?
Post by: Kuei Fei on June 26, 2014, 03:47:54 am
I agree; I've often said that William should let his mother go and stop using her, but the thing with Charles and Camilla, is that a wife was stripped of her rightful place and as for difficult, most nineteen year old girls become fruitcakes if they have to be a support system to a thirty year old immature idiot. Most past princesses and queens were in fact never under any pressure other than to breed and be a good hostess while being faithful. Now there are more demands. Second, a mistress becoming a wife usurps the entire structure of society; wives don't like being discarded, but Camilla didn't just rut with Charles, she also went so far as to mess with the already testy Wales marriage, thus making it even worse and driving Diana out of her own marital home.


Title: Re: If Prince Charles becomes King Charles, will his kingdom leave him?
Post by: RoyalWatcher on June 26, 2014, 08:08:01 pm
I think Chuck's kingdom will be substancially smaller by the end of the his reign.

IMO, its all smoke and mirrors about what he is planning on calling Camz...It starts with Q and ends with N.  Queen Camilla.


Title: Re: If Prince Charles becomes King Charles, will his kingdom leave him?
Post by: sandy on June 26, 2014, 09:26:38 pm
I was and am a fan of Diana, and agree that Charles should never have married her, feeling as he did. However, Charles is now married to Camilla, they've been married for years, and things are as they are.

By the time Charles comes to the throne Diana will probably have been dead for twenty years or more. (It will be seventeen years this August.) There's a whole generation of people 25 and under who don't remember her or have faint recollections.

I believe that Charles will test the waters, so to speak, in the months before his Coronation, and if the population seems agreeable to or even apathetic about Camilla becoming Queen, not Princess Consort, then he will seize the opportunity and Camilla will be Queen. He absolutely adores her.
 However, without wishing the woman ill, if there is a long wait for the throne of another ten years or so, I'm not sure Camilla will make it.

Well there is something important left out. William and Harry are Diana's sons. Prince George and future offspring of William and Harry will be Diana's grandsons and granddaughters. The Duke of Windsor has been dead since 1972 and he  is not forgotten even by people who were born well after he died. There are still films being made about him and books are out. Diana will be the same. And Diana left a legacy of royal children as well.  Parents can talk to their children about Diana. People reading about William and Harry will learn about Diana.

Charles will do as he pleases regarding Camilla. As for "adoring" her nobody knows but him how he feels about her now. At any rate he can't divorce her now and have any sort of credibility. I think he adores himself the most and Camilla adores herself the most. They deserve each other. I don't see this as a Great Love Story considering he considered her mistress material and it took a lot of circumstances --Diana's not agreeable to sharing Charles to ultimately Charles naming her and forcing a divorce of the PBs.

Charles married Diana and should have said goodbye to the mistress. Camilla also had manipulative skills and it was not just sleeping with Charles that got her where she is today. I think had Charles been involved with somebody else who was not as pushy as Camilla and who did not undermine the wife, perhaps Diana and Charles could have possibly had some sort of a chance. I think Camilla was and is greedy and manipulative. Charles treated Diana as a broodmare and treated her shabbily.

IMO Charles should have gone for some sort of counseling before he even thought of marrying for the first time. And stopped clinging to Camilla who knew how to push the right buttons. She was not shy about undermining Diana and used Charles own dysfunction and hangups to elevate herself.


Title: Re: If Prince Charles becomes King Charles, will his kingdom leave him?
Post by: Kuei Fei on June 26, 2014, 10:19:46 pm
Thing is, that Camilla should be grateful she has what she has.

As for being Queen, if she sets her well ridden rump on the Throne and is crowned Queen Consort, I am dead sure the monarchy will collapse right then and there. Not since Anne Boleyn has a former mistress been crowned Queen, but even Anne wasn't half as used as Camilla was.

For what reasons I do not know, I keep seeing the role of Queen Consort end if Camilla is crowned; the only good thing is how Camilla set the precedent that, any untitled consort will be a morganatic marriage, no princess title (aka, Catherine, Princess) and I believe that if "Princess Consort" stands, then it might end up not having Kate become Queen Consort as well.

I bet you guys anything that the nobility will be in fits if Camilla is crowned Queen Consort and they are forced to do homage to her as Consort.


Title: Re: If Prince Charles becomes King Charles, will his kingdom leave him?
Post by: Alexandrine on June 27, 2014, 12:07:06 am
Whatever Charles gives Camz as title Diana will be like the Rebecca of the coronation. She is not there but everyone will be thinking about her.

It happened at the wedding already. Every royal was acclaimed by the public except these two, I still remember the silence and their faces!

Maybe it will Charles penance? He will be king but he will be a country who is indifferent or dislikes him?


Title: Re: If Prince Charles becomes King Charles, will his kingdom leave him?
Post by: Rosella on June 27, 2014, 01:59:32 am
Yes, Alexandrine, I agree. Diana will be the phantom at Charles's coronation, remembered by older people who loved her. I'm sure Charles is aware of the main reason why he and Camilla aren't very popular with the population at large. Apparently he has discussed privately his knowledge that he will have to answer to God for his actions one day  and referred to himself as 'a miserable sinner'.


Title: Re: If Prince Charles becomes King Charles, will his kingdom leave him?
Post by: sandy on June 27, 2014, 03:36:18 am
Older people who love her. William and harry love her and they are not "older people." I don't think younger people can be dismissed as not caring about Diana. They certainly would not identify with older Camilla. If Charles felt himself a "miserable sinner" he could have stopped his bad choices earlier--I think his sense of self entitlement and his ego prevented any "reform." He had ample time and he even sits back and watch writers bash his late ex wife. I don't have any pity party for him.


Title: Re: If Prince Charles becomes King Charles, will his kingdom leave him?
Post by: CathyJane on June 27, 2014, 03:41:14 am
I don't think Chucky is really aware that he and Cammie are not popular. He seems to think he's still 'action man' of the 70's and loved and admired by all women. Atleast that's the impression I get when I see pictures of him trying to interact with others.


Title: Re: If Prince Charles becomes King Charles, will his kingdom leave him?
Post by: Rosella on June 27, 2014, 04:01:27 am
Of course William and Harry love their mother and will be thinking about her on their father's coronation day. And you are right, they are not old.
However, time moves on and if that Coronation is in another six or seven years there will be people under 30 who remember little of Diana. That doesn't mean that I think that they identify with Camilla or with Charles, for that matter. If the under 30's identify with any of the Royals, it would probably be with Diana's sons.

In my previous post I wasn't excluding the young, merely that the people who followed Diana closely as a young married woman and mother, and later through all her troubles, then her death, would be the most likely to be thinking of what could/should have been.

 I do think that both Charles and Camilla are both well aware of the reasons why their popularity is low. Charles is reportedly a deeply religious man. Where Diana was concerned his actions didn't follow his religious impulses. Hence his remark, I suppose.


Title: Re: If Prince Charles becomes King Charles, will his kingdom leave him?
Post by: cate1949 on June 27, 2014, 06:00:24 am
I think PC is a realist - as said - he understands why people do not like him or Camilla.  He may rankle over that - but he is not lacking in intelligence or understanding.  Of course he is going to try to get people to appreciate Camilla as he does - but I do not think he would fail to see those efforts being unsuccessful.

I think we can forgive while still remembering Diana - after she and Charles had come to improve their relationship before she died and if she had lived I suspect they would be on better terms.  I just do not think it has to be either or - either you remember Diana and then despise Camilla or accept Camilla and banish the memory of DFiana = we can accept the reality of Camilla while also still honoring Diana.  And give PC his chance at being King - a chance IMHO he has surely earned.


Title: Re: If Prince Charles becomes King Charles, will his kingdom leave him?
Post by: Kuei Fei on June 27, 2014, 01:49:04 pm
It is his birthright, but he has to stop dragging his dead wife up to elevate his new wife; if his new wife has issues about her past or popularity, that is her cross to bear. Camilla should have been made to understand and accept that if anyone disliked her or showed negativity, that is something she would have to deal with like an adult, that he wasn't going to protect her by bashing Diana or undermining the popularity and security of his sons.


Title: Re: If Prince Charles becomes King Charles, will his kingdom leave him?
Post by: sandy on June 27, 2014, 03:37:31 pm
Of course William and Harry love their mother and will be thinking about her on their father's coronation day. And you are right, they are not old.
However, time moves on and if that Coronation is in another six or seven years there will be people under 30 who remember little of Diana. That doesn't mean that I think that they identify with Camilla or with Charles, for that matter. If the under 30's identify with any of the Royals, it would probably be with Diana's sons.

In my previous post I wasn't excluding the young, merely that the people who followed Diana closely as a young married woman and mother, and later through all her troubles, then her death, would be the most likely to be thinking of what could/should have been.

 I do think that both Charles and Camilla are both well aware of the reasons why their popularity is low. Charles is reportedly a deeply religious man. Where Diana was concerned his actions didn't follow his religious impulses. Hence his remark, I suppose.

He does not act like a religious man. A religious man would have made his late ex and the mother of his sons non-negotiable and discouraged the bashing of his late ex wife--and he could have.


Title: Re: If Prince Charles becomes King Charles, will his kingdom leave him?
Post by: RoyalWatcher on June 27, 2014, 06:31:26 pm
But as King...he has the power to bestow on his wife the title of Queen.  Regardless of whether or not people like it.   The only ones who MAY have the power to prevent the crowning of her as Queen, would be the Wills and Harry, but again....its the ruling Monarch's perogative.


I sincerely doubt that the Monarchy is going to end if Camz gets the Queen title.  It may end when the people under monarchy decide that having a royal family has NO benefit. 



Title: Re: If Prince Charles becomes King Charles, will his kingdom leave him?
Post by: sandy on June 28, 2014, 01:14:26 am
Will and Harry are not able to stop Camilla being crowned Queen.

I think the monarchy falling apart could be because of Camilla as Queen Consort combined with Lazy William who chooses to watch his aging elders do work while he comes up with excuses not to share the workload.


Title: Re: If Prince Charles becomes King Charles, will his kingdom leave him?
Post by: cate1949 on June 28, 2014, 02:33:45 am
It is likely that PC still has a long wait for his coronation - and who knows - Cam may not be around then - retired so to speak -


Title: Re: If Prince Charles becomes King Charles, will his kingdom leave him?
Post by: Kuei Fei on July 10, 2014, 03:54:23 am
Charles might be a surprise; he could end up ordering Camilla to refrain from asking to be crowned alongside him and I am certain that he won't do a single thing to jeopardize his position as King. He's not stupid, he knows that he has to fight to retain his position, much less end up fighting for Camilla's sake. Camilla might realize that he's fought dirty to protect himself as a divorce, he might protect himself at her expense if he feels he has to.


Title: Re: If Prince Charles becomes King Charles, will his kingdom leave him?
Post by: cate1949 on July 10, 2014, 04:46:58 am
I've been reading a DI biography for pool reading and it is shocking how badly that marriage imploded.  And there were some people in the RF circle who did see it was going to be a disaster but they were outvoted ignored and learned to just keep quiet.  There are many tragedies here - certainly one is that we never got to see a Di and PC with a positive relationship after the divorce yet it is clear they were just about there when she died.  PC and Di were actually scheduled to go on a short trip on Britannia with the boys when she returned from Paris.  Of course, she did not return.

I think much of the antipathy people feel towards PC is because we did not get to see a reconciled friendly Di and Charles afterwards.  If we had I suspect there would be less dislike for him and Camilla now.  I wonder if he would have in fact ever married Camilla if Di had lived.

It is naturally hard to separate Charles as PoW and future King from all that happened.  But I do think that he has been an outstanding Prince of Wales.  There is no way to deny the enormous good he has accomplished.  On that record alone there is reason to think he would represent Britain well as King.  It is almost beyond belief that he allowed his affair with Camilla to endanger that which he worked for.  Or that he would allow an insistence that she become Queen to endanger his reign.  But even if she is Princess Consort she will still be a presence during his reign.  I however do not think she will be crowned.



Title: Re: If Prince Charles becomes King Charles, will his kingdom leave him?
Post by: Rosella on July 10, 2014, 05:11:22 am
^^ I agree with most of your post, Cate. However, if HM lasts another ten years it could be a whole different scenario. There may well be a foreshortened, simpler Coronation, with some of the pomp and ceremony of 1953 gone.

If Camilla is still with us in ten years or so (and she is frailer than Charles) fewer of the public would be against her crowning. That is, if Parliament hasn't moved to put 'Princess Consort' legislation in place.

I don't believe they will do so, mainly because it would make Camilla (and then Kate) of a lower rank than all the other Queen Consorts in other monarchies. This would cause complex precedence questions at international royal events.


Title: Re: If Prince Charles becomes King Charles, will his kingdom leave him?
Post by: Kuei Fei on July 10, 2014, 05:18:53 am
I've been reading a DI biography for pool reading and it is shocking how badly that marriage imploded.  And there were some people in the RF circle who did see it was going to be a disaster but they were outvoted ignored and learned to just keep quiet.  There are many tragedies here - certainly one is that we never got to see a Di and PC with a positive relationship after the divorce yet it is clear they were just about there when she died.  PC and Di were actually scheduled to go on a short trip on Britannia with the boys when she returned from Paris.  Of course, she did not return.

I think much of the antipathy people feel towards PC is because we did not get to see a reconciled friendly Di and Charles afterwards.  If we had I suspect there would be less dislike for him and Camilla now.  I wonder if he would have in fact ever married Camilla if Di had lived.

 Diana was developing a healthier maturity in less stressful circumstances and Charles for all we know might have finally grown tired of Camilla and Diana was even on better terms with the Palace, another good sign. I think that if Camilla had been played out and Diana had been enjoying life with her lovers, she would have had a more realistic view of relationships and royal life. Even Tina Brown mentioned that Diana was beginning ot understand the wider world and everything that Charles was involved in.I think Charles and Diana were reconciling and she was getting healthier since she no longer was expected to emotionally and psychologically support Charles and was beginning to develop her own sense of self as a healthy individual.

I think Charles would have been disenchanted with having to prop Camilla up and likely tired of her in general.


Title: Re: If Prince Charles becomes King Charles, will his kingdom leave him?
Post by: sandy on July 10, 2014, 02:51:30 pm
I've been reading a DI biography for pool reading and it is shocking how badly that marriage imploded.  And there were some people in the RF circle who did see it was going to be a disaster but they were outvoted ignored and learned to just keep quiet.  There are many tragedies here - certainly one is that we never got to see a Di and PC with a positive relationship after the divorce yet it is clear they were just about there when she died.  PC and Di were actually scheduled to go on a short trip on Britannia with the boys when she returned from Paris.  Of course, she did not return.

I think much of the antipathy people feel towards PC is because we did not get to see a reconciled friendly Di and Charles afterwards.  If we had I suspect there would be less dislike for him and Camilla now.  I wonder if he would have in fact ever married Camilla if Di had lived.

It is naturally hard to separate Charles as PoW and future King from all that happened.  But I do think that he has been an outstanding Prince of Wales.  There is no way to deny the enormous good he has accomplished.  On that record alone there is reason to think he would represent Britain well as King.  It is almost beyond belief that he allowed his affair with Camilla to endanger that which he worked for.  Or that he would allow an insistence that she become Queen to endanger his reign.  But even if she is Princess Consort she will still be a presence during his reign.  I however do not think she will be crowned.



In 1997 Charles started the Camilla Campaign. Diana was around when a documentary about Camilla appeared worldwide (authorized by Charles), Charles was scheduled to attend a charity event in Fall of 1997 with Camilla giving a speech, and he had that huge birthday party for her at Highgrove.  I don't see that he and Diana would have gotten closer considering the megabucks he was putting in to Camilla PR. I think he was working towards a marriage with Camilla. If he wanted her as mistress he would not have invested all this money and time.


Title: Re: If Prince Charles becomes King Charles, will his kingdom leave him?
Post by: CathyJane on July 10, 2014, 08:53:13 pm
idk, maybe Chucky and Diana might have become less hostile toward each other as time passed, but I don't think Diana would have appreciated the lengths he went to to try and make Cammie popular. Even after all that went on I do think Diana still had some love for Chucky, at least at some level, even if she hated his guts. However I think she would have hated the fact he and Cammie got married.


Title: Re: If Prince Charles becomes King Charles, will his kingdom leave him?
Post by: cate1949 on July 10, 2014, 09:08:49 pm
I certainly did not mean to imply Di and Charles would have married again - just that they had clearly begun to have a warmer more cordial relationship.  I think if people had a chance to see a Diana who had forgiven then their attitudes towards Charles would be more forgiving.  But her death denied that opportunity.

Is the consensus that Camilla is able to dominate Charles more?  So that the efforts made on her behalf would have been because she engineered it?   


Title: Re: If Prince Charles becomes King Charles, will his kingdom leave him?
Post by: sandy on July 10, 2014, 09:26:39 pm
I think Diana would be always guarded around Charles had she lived. She'd love him as the father of her children but there would be this element of distrust considering how his friends would leak stories about her to the media with IMO Charles full cooperation. I don't think "warm" would apply to the relationship. I think she would be very frosty with Camilla and vice versa.


Title: Re: If Prince Charles becomes King Charles, will his kingdom leave him?
Post by: gingerboy24 on July 29, 2015, 03:24:12 pm
Just found this article from back in January

Prince Charles, we’ll not stomach a meddling monarch

http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2015/jan/03/prince-charles-meddling-monarch-royal-neutrality?CMP=share_btn_fb


Title: Re: If Prince Charles becomes King Charles, will his kingdom leave him?
Post by: kolkomilko on July 29, 2015, 03:46:43 pm
^ It is an interesting article with serious thoughts which make people meditate.


Title: Re: If Prince Charles becomes King Charles, will his kingdom leave him?
Post by: sandy on July 30, 2015, 12:52:04 am
Had Diana lived, I think she and Charles would have been polite and cordial, but much damage had been done and I think both would have remained wary of each other. Also she would have fought against the boys being used in Charles campaign  to elevate Camillla.


Title: Re: If Prince Charles becomes King Charles, will his kingdom leave him?
Post by: dianab on October 08, 2015, 02:20:01 am
Is true that Chuck is in early stages dementia?


Title: Re: If Prince Charles becomes King Charles, will his kingdom leave him?
Post by: meememe on October 08, 2015, 03:13:30 am
Given the speeches he gives and the number of engagements he undertakes it would be hard to hide such an issue so I would think not.


Title: Re: If Prince Charles becomes King Charles, will his kingdom leave him?
Post by: Alexandrine on October 08, 2015, 04:21:34 pm
^where does that come from? Not that's impossible but as meememe says it would be difficult to hide.


Title: Re: If Prince Charles becomes King Charles, will his kingdom leave him?
Post by: dianab on October 09, 2015, 04:15:02 am
google: prince charles dementia.

He's told being in early stages. I read he acts that way, his giggling like a schoolgirl on occasion will be one of signs. I admit not being a expert in this matters. But the rumours are out there.

I read foreign newspapers have hinted this.

Anyway he doesnt looks healthy for some years now, IMO. Who knows?


Title: Re: If Prince Charles becomes King Charles, will his kingdom leave him?
Post by: meememe on October 09, 2015, 05:54:34 am
In what ways doesn't he look healthy?

He is fit, exercises regularly, eats sparingly but appropriately, doesn't drink or smoke.

Sometimes people point out that he can be red in the face - he has a condition called rosacea, as does Harry.

His fingers can be described as 'sausage like' but then Queen Mary noted that when he was born - so another issue often raised to say he isn't healthy but that he has had his entire life.

I suspect it is more wishful thinking from some people rather than serious knowledge.

The issue with the internet is that people can write lies all over the place and claim 'sources close to xxxx' and be believed but they are actually making it up.

As modern people we have to be much more discerning with our 'sources' than in the past as in the past reputable journalists would have real sources in the palaces etc whereas today anyone get set up a 'blog' or a 'forum' and post what they like. If enough people read them suddenly they are believed based on nothing at all.

There are a number of 'stories' such as the divorce rumours about William and Kate and this one about Charles' alleged illness that the only place I ever read them as originating are on this site (other sites I go to point to this as their source believing that people here are the ones with the connections in the palaces). Other sites view this site the exact opposite - as a purveying of lies and innuendo only rather than anything truthful.

Personally, I believe what I see with my own eyes - the last time I saw Charles in person was about 8 months ago on a visit to the UK and he seemed fine then. I have friends who saw him recently at an engagement and again no signs of anything unusual - nothing closely related to 'dementia'.

I have never heard Charles 'giggle like a schoolgirl' but know he has a keen, British, sense of humour that is often misunderstood in other parts of the world so he will chuckle at things that some other people don't find funny - happens to most people - we see something as 'funny' but no one else does or only some of the people do.

I just did a search for 'prince Charles dementia' and the sites that came up are things like: http://izzym.hubpages.com/hub/Prince-Charles-and-Alzheimers-Disease = a blogger This same author has an article 'Queen Elizabeth is Black' as well = not reliable in my opinion.

Next was this one: http://m24digital.com/en/2011/02/04/prince-charles-would-suffer-alzheimers-disease/ based on The Globe - hardly a reliable source (has been claiming since around 2010 that Camilla is demanding 300 million to divorce Charles, that The Queen is about to replace Charles with William as her heir - she can't as that power only rests with parliament - etc etc) Again not a reliable source. This was also from 2011 and again tries with the idea that William could succeed The Queen at the end as a result of Charles having dementia - which again would require legislation to remove Charles from the succession - which has to come from Charles himself.

The only other one that referred to Charles having dementia was this: http://www.answers.com/Q/Does_Prince_Charles_have_early_signs_of_dementia With no additional information at all - just a question and a 'not really' answer.

Foreign newspapers hint at many things, as do the British ones, but until their is confirmation is would be a 'no'. The British government wouldn't take the risk of having him as their representative and send him to the places they do on their behalf and that of The Queen if there were any issues. In the 1950s and 1960s foreign newspapers hinted that The Queen was pregnant approximately every month for a decade and a half - they were right twice.

None of the sites that suggest any thing is wrong with Charles are coming from reputable sites with proven connections but seem to be the 'if I say it often enough it will be regarded as true' category.

The other entries I came up with relate to Charles talking about the issue of dementia - not saying he has it but rather that the nation needs to address the issue.


Title: Re: If Prince Charles becomes King Charles, will his kingdom leave him?
Post by: Rosella on October 09, 2015, 08:55:17 am
^ Prince Charles is due to attend the Commonwealth Heads of Government Meeting (CHOGM) along with the Queen and Camilla, at Valletta in Malta from the 27th-29th November. It's an important gathering, and representatives from all the Commonwealth nations will be there. Charles wishes to be appointed Head of the Commonwealth. If he had early-onset dementia there is no way that he would be attending this.


Title: Re: If Prince Charles becomes King Charles, will his kingdom leave him?
Post by: india on October 09, 2015, 11:59:56 am
I have a strong feeling this is an untrue rumor put out by The Wine In The Bag Swilling Viper to discredit PC and promote the spoiled petulant Duke of Dumb as the next king after HM.


Title: Re: If Prince Charles becomes King Charles, will his kingdom leave him?
Post by: Kuei Fei on October 09, 2015, 09:59:28 pm
I don't think Charles is unprepared; he's founded the Prince's Trust and involved himself and as for meddling with the succession, that is one thing that is the reason people think the BRF offed Diana. It was also the thing I think triggered the divorce and Diana being banished from royal circles.


Title: Re: If Prince Charles becomes King Charles, will his kingdom leave him?
Post by: sandy on October 10, 2015, 12:14:48 am
Charles has a controversial second wife that is not popular with everybody to put it mildly. IMO and he tends to meddle. He is not flawless but he has a work ethic. Another minus is his focusing more on Camilla than William and Harry. He should have gotten William working and putting conditions on him that no vacations unless he does a certain quota of royal work. I am not thrilled with the next monarch and the one after that.

Diana never really was out of royal circles, as mother of the heir to heir and the spare. She would always have been invited to events related to William and Harry and would co-parent with Prince Charles.


Title: Re: If Prince Charles becomes King Charles, will his kingdom leave him?
Post by: CathyJane on October 10, 2015, 03:09:12 am
I agree with you, Sandy. One of Chucky's biggest mistakes, other than not dumping Cams, was not focusing on his sons after Diana was killed. He could have done so much with them but no he wanted his mummy/nanny/mistress accepted at any cost.


Title: Re: If Prince Charles becomes King Charles, will his kingdom leave him?
Post by: dianab on October 10, 2015, 05:11:23 am
I don't think Charles is unprepared; he's founded the Prince's Trust and involved himself and as for meddling with the succession, that is one thing that is the reason people think the BRF offed Diana. It was also the thing I think triggered the divorce and Diana being banished from royal circles.
This comments says all:

rfyorke, Yorks UK, United Kingdom, 20 hours ago
It is profoundly disturbing to think that one day Charles will have even more influence over our judicial and political systems. His lack of a moral compass has proven him unfit to be king and/or defender of the Faith.

JohnFrum, UK, United Kingdom, 19 hours ago
He's an idiot.

Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3265742/Jimmy-Savile-Prince-Charles-close-friendship-sex-abuse-bishop-Peter-Ball.html#ixzz3o8Qe3JHJ
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Title: Re: If Prince Charles becomes King Charles, will his kingdom leave him?
Post by: leogirl on October 10, 2015, 08:17:38 am
Yes, both PW and PH needed a lot of help. They had some very rough party years as young adults and it would have been nice to have someone to tell them "no" and make them find some direction in their lives. I also don't think they had a chance to grieve properly. PW especially likes to milk the "my mum is dead" to the press whenever he wants to be left alone (either another holiday or doesn't want to be photographed)... that should have been nipped in the bud... the press is always going to be part of his life unless he steps down and even then I think there will be some interest in him because of his family.


Title: Re: If Prince Charles becomes King Charles, will his kingdom leave him?
Post by: FrederickLouis on January 06, 2018, 09:33:53 pm
When Charles is King, do you think he will have good public relations with the press?


Title: Re: If Prince Charles becomes King Charles, will his kingdom leave him?
Post by: Alexandrine on January 06, 2018, 09:41:04 pm
The press will protect him because he is the monarch nothing more nothing less.


Title: Re: If Prince Charles becomes King Charles, will his kingdom leave him?
Post by: sandy on January 06, 2018, 09:52:59 pm
Charles was caught on open microphone grumbling about some of the members of the press. I think he will continue to have issues from those he does not like and/or criticize him.


Title: Re: If Prince Charles becomes King Charles, will his kingdom leave him?
Post by: lesken on March 25, 2018, 04:51:51 pm
The real problem with PC is that as a Defender of Faith, this is the man who wants to be reincarnated as Camy's tampon. Obviously he was not serious, or was he? That might be a good place for him one day. He has stuck his foot in it too many times. So has PW.


Title: Re: If Prince Charles becomes King Charles, will his kingdom leave him?
Post by: Sheridan_is_appalled on March 25, 2018, 05:28:37 pm
Charles IS a tampon.  They're both stuck up tw@ts


Title: Re: If Prince Charles becomes King Charles, will his kingdom leave him?
Post by: Val on March 25, 2018, 06:04:12 pm
The public will be totally disinterested in Charles, resentful of Cam especially after the latest book.  It really has done a lot of harm.  Even supporters are being put off by their selfish, plotting lives.


Title: Re: If Prince Charles becomes King Charles, will his kingdom leave him?
Post by: Kuei Fei on March 25, 2018, 07:36:13 pm
Charles has gone too far; while he was single after Diana's death, he was building up goodwill, but he decided to be selfish and marry Camilla, breaking an earlier vow. He is asking his people to make sacrifices for HIS happiness and contentment, not the other way around as is required of royalty.


Title: Re: If Prince Charles becomes King Charles, will his kingdom leave him?
Post by: HRHOlya on March 25, 2018, 08:34:21 pm
^^^ lmao  :laugh: :naughty:


Title: Re: If Prince Charles becomes King Charles, will his kingdom leave him?
Post by: sandy on March 25, 2018, 11:10:19 pm
Charles has gone too far; while he was single after Diana's death, he was building up goodwill, but he decided to be selfish and marry Camilla, breaking an earlier vow. He is asking his people to make sacrifices for HIS happiness and contentment, not the other way around as is required of royalty.

It's interesting how the extreme sycophants are so delighted that Charles is "made happy." To me it makes him look like a spoiled baby. Who did he make happy in his quest for "happiness." His friends helped make him "happy" by sharing their wives with him.


Title: Re: If Prince Charles becomes King Charles, will his kingdom leave him?
Post by: lesken on March 26, 2018, 02:34:37 pm
Perhaps someone can flush Charles down the toilet when the time comes.


Title: Re: If Prince Charles becomes King Charles, will his kingdom leave him?
Post by: marion on March 26, 2018, 07:39:18 pm
^ :laugh: :laugh:
Brilliant idea ...best one so far

I've read the latest book on Charles and am even more disgusted with him and Camilla now.


Title: Re: If Prince Charles becomes King Charles, will his kingdom leave him?
Post by: CathyJane on March 26, 2018, 09:12:54 pm
Me too and I didn't think that was possible. This entire family from Chuckles on down are a bunch of lunatic losers.


Title: Re: If Prince Charles becomes King Charles, will his kingdom leave him?
Post by: sandy on March 27, 2018, 12:28:24 am
I ordered the book and I can't wait.


Title: Re: If Prince Charles becomes King Charles, will his kingdom leave him?
Post by: Val on March 27, 2018, 09:05:29 am
It's also on Kindle and I downloaded it several days ago.


Title: Re: If Prince Charles becomes King Charles, will his kingdom leave him?
Post by: Rosella on March 27, 2018, 09:24:01 am
I've read it on my Kindle. It was very enlightening on Charles's public life, relationship with wealthy donors etc, also on his relationship with his mother and her attitude with Camilla. However, there was very little about his relations with his sons and grandchildren now or in the past, or about his first marriage, which I found a bit disappointing. I think that the extracts that were featured in the Fail actually comprised the most interesting parts of the book. The DM didn't just cherry pick but gouged huge chunks, IMO, and not much was left, especially as it isn't a lengthy book.


Title: Re: If Prince Charles becomes King Charles, will his kingdom leave him?
Post by: marion on March 27, 2018, 09:28:26 pm
^^^^ it also shows the extent of the manipulation and spin to rehabilitate Camilla and she comes across as an extremely unpleasant greedy woman


Title: Re: If Prince Charles becomes King Charles, will his kingdom leave him?
Post by: FrederickLouis on March 27, 2018, 10:21:20 pm
Who is the person who announces the name of the new monarch? What is his job title?


Title: Re: If Prince Charles becomes King Charles, will his kingdom leave him?
Post by: meememe on March 27, 2018, 10:32:17 pm
The person who will announce the name of the new monarch is - the new monarch.

They will do so at the accession council (basically the privy council that will meet on the day of, or the next day, of the accession).

After that there will be some ceremonies in different places to announce the accession - St James' Palace and Edinburgh Castle for two. The official will differ in each place.


Title: Re: If Prince Charles becomes King Charles, will his kingdom leave him?
Post by: gingerboy24 on May 09, 2018, 04:35:50 pm
Labour MP's SHOCKING republican boast: 'Prince Charles will aid monarchy's DEMISE as king'


https://www.express.co.uk/news/royal/957046/emma-dent-coad-prince-charles-aid-monarchy-demise-republican-boast


Title: Re: If Prince Charles becomes King Charles, will his kingdom leave him?
Post by: sanka on May 27, 2018, 09:10:54 am
Just finished the latest book about POW and if parts of it are true then I think we will be in for some interesting times when he is King.



Title: Re: If Prince Charles becomes King Charles, will his kingdom leave him?
Post by: Val on May 27, 2018, 09:27:57 am
PC isn’t at all popular and many still hold a grudge against Camz.
He thinks he scored a few brownie points at the wedding with his false bonhomie towards nutmeg and Doria.  Much to come out about all of them when QE goes too.  PC was great friends
with that evil specimen Jimmy Saville for 30 years too and used to entertain him and guests in his lodge in Scotland amongst other things.


Title: Re: If Prince Charles becomes King Charles, will his kingdom leave him?
Post by: Alexandrine on May 27, 2018, 10:02:10 am
Why do you say sanka?


Title: Re: If Prince Charles becomes King Charles, will his kingdom leave him?
Post by: sandy on May 27, 2018, 02:35:13 pm
PC isn’t at all popular and many still hold a grudge against Camz.
He thinks he scored a few brownie points at the wedding with his false bonhomie towards nutmeg and Doria.  Much to come out about all of them when QE goes too.  PC was great friends
with that evil specimen Jimmy Saville for 30 years too and used to entertain him and guests in his lodge in Scotland amongst other things.

Charles is such a phony. IMO.


Title: Re: If Prince Charles becomes King Charles, will his kingdom leave him?
Post by: HRHOlya on August 03, 2018, 02:20:56 pm
To me the most mindboggling thing in the latest Paul Burrell interview is the last bit

"'I think, for the sake of the monarchy - by the time Charles gets there, he's going to be 80 - why wouldn't he say to the Commonwealth, and the people of the United Kingdon: "I'm sure you'd much prefer a younger king and a younger queen to sit on the throne, with those beautiful children, instead of this old thing". Let's hope he does that.

'I think William will be a great King and Catherine will be a great Queen and one day Mummy's ring [Princess Diana's engagement ring, worn by the Duchess of Cambridge] will be sat on the throne of England.'"

posted in the Murky thread; link
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/femail/article-6020671/Paul-Burrell-warns-Meghan-struggle-life-Royal-Family.html

Has Paul even met Chuck?? Wtf! If Chuck were ever to say and do that (pass on the throne for whatever given reason), then you know he's either become demented or the grey men are pushing him out. Chuck (with his marbles even half intact) will never ever pass on the throne and opportunity to be "king". Never.
"Why wouldn't he say: let's have younger ones and beautiful kids in the prime spot!" Good Gawd Paul you stupid idiot.
Again, has he ever in his life even met Chuck??
And yeah, beauty & youth are the best ingredients for good leadership. That's all that counts in life. Just be young & beautiful and the world is your oyster  :sly: :easter-no:

And yeah, Billy the basher and Waity will be remarkable, no doubt, and let's not forget the mini throne commissioned already, to seat the ring. That thing obvs needs to be on the throne too. What's otherwise the point of anything if the ring isn't there, everywhere, having its own life and worshippers.

Paul you dimwitted fool.

Sometimes he says really good things, but sometimes you gotta wonder whether he was drugged midway through.


Title: Re: If Prince Charles becomes King Charles, will his kingdom leave him?
Post by: Little light on August 03, 2018, 04:02:55 pm
Paul has met Burrell, when he was a butler in the Wales' household.

But I'll bet he doesn't know him, Charles, as he was staff and nothing else.

I think the recent heatwave has addled his brain. He needs this   :fan: to cool those three brain cell series he has.  lol


Title: Re: If Prince Charles becomes King Charles, will his kingdom leave him?
Post by: sandy on August 03, 2018, 04:16:20 pm
Charles would have to be dragged away kicking and screaming from the throne. IMO.The furthest he would go would be to give WIll more of his work. a ring can't sit on the throne of England. Weird.


Title: Re: If Prince Charles becomes King Charles, will his kingdom leave him?
Post by: india on August 03, 2018, 05:07:46 pm
Charles will be a good king. I can't say the same for his lazy dim witted son The Duke of Dorkass. Dorkass is lacking brain cells and is an embarrassment as well as his Potato Head Thin Lipped wife.


Title: Re: If Prince Charles becomes King Charles, will his kingdom leave him?
Post by: lesken on October 19, 2018, 11:09:30 pm
If the kingdom leaves him, remember kingdom to take those duchies!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!