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Title: King Juan Carlos abdicates
Post by: beline on June 02, 2014, 09:42:17 am
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-27662301

His son Prince Felipe will take over.


Title: Re: King Juan Carlos abdicates
Post by: Rosella on June 02, 2014, 09:57:42 am
Gosh, rather a surprise, although Juan Carlos's extravagant  safari to Africa with his mistress in the middle of Spain's economic woes didn't help. Nor, I suppose has his son-in law's scandalous misuse of funds. He's also had two recent operations, I believe. So, it is to be King Felipe and Queen Letizia! I wonder how the Spanish people will react? Haven't there been republican rumblings over the last few years?


Title: Re: King Juan Carlos abdicates
Post by: cate1949 on June 02, 2014, 10:04:10 am
wow - not a hint that was coming

I think Felipe and Letizia will do a great job


Title: Re: King Juan Carlos abdicates
Post by: Nighthawk on June 02, 2014, 11:24:38 am
My mouth dropped open when I saw this thread and thought No Way...if I remember correctly Letizia isn't very well liked so wonder how this will go over



Title: Re: King Juan Carlos abdicates
Post by: Rosella on June 02, 2014, 11:26:28 am
Yes, apparently Letizia has been attacked mercilessly over the years


Title: Re: King Juan Carlos abdicates
Post by: Alexandrine on June 02, 2014, 11:51:30 am
well hope they dont last much


Title: Re: King Juan Carlos abdicates
Post by: Rock n royal on June 02, 2014, 12:09:02 pm
Well! That was certainly a surprise. The DM claims Letizia is popular in Spain, being seen as a modern woman. I know very little about the SRF but I do know about the press. Why is she so unpopular?


Title: Re: King Juan Carlos abdicates
Post by: Alexandrine on June 02, 2014, 12:12:28 pm
People are mostly indifferent to her and her husband.

Criticism is more focused in the internet.


Title: Re: King Juan Carlos abdicates
Post by: Rock n royal on June 02, 2014, 12:31:43 pm
Thank you. Do you think that could have anything to do with the behaviour of Juan Carlos or is it just general indifference to the whole RF?


Title: Re: King Juan Carlos abdicates
Post by: Alexandrine on June 02, 2014, 12:37:03 pm
No. There was indifference towards all the family.

People repeated the cliches like the king being nice/funny, the queen being a professional and Felipe being handsome.

After the scandals only Felipe has survived in the public opinion. But generally the opinion is more negative from before towards the whole idea of a royal family.


Title: Re: King Juan Carlos abdicates
Post by: Rock n royal on June 02, 2014, 12:41:13 pm
Thanks Alexandrine, appreciate your knowledge.


Title: Re: King Juan Carlos abdicates
Post by: Alexandrine on June 02, 2014, 12:43:04 pm
You're welcome


Title: Re: King Juan Carlos abdicates
Post by: Fly on the wall on June 02, 2014, 12:58:22 pm
Get ready for some serious competition, Kate! Princess Letizia set to become Queen of Spain... and she certainly looks the part

She's the slim, chic brunette from a modest background who became a princess. Remind you of anyone?
Now, Spain's own Kate Middleton, Princess Letizia - one of Europe's most glamorous royals - is to become a queen.
King Juan Carlos, who has ruled the country for 39 years since General Franco's death in 1975, today announced his abdication.
He will be succeeded by his son, Prince Felipe de Borbon, 46, and his wife Princess Letizia, 41, will become Queen of Spain.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/femail/article-2646060/Get-ready-competition-Kate-Spains-Princess-Letizia-set-Queen-certainly-looks-part.html


Nice try DM no competition.
 
King Juan Carlos shocks Spain with unexpected abdication - handing crown to son Felipe and his wife Letizia who goes from ex-newsreader to world's glamourous queen

King Juan Carlos of Spain is to abdicate for political reasons rather than his ailing health after more than 40 years on the throne, the country's prime minister has revealed.
Prime Minister Mariano Rajoy said the 74-year-old king would hand the crown to his son, Prince Felipe, 46, but not before a new law is drafted to pave the way for such an unprecedented handover.
He is the second European monarch to abdicate in just over a year after Queen Beatrix of the Netherlands handed the throne to her son Prince Willem-Alexander after 33 years in April last year.
The 76-year-old, who oversaw his country's transition from dictatorship to democracy, has seen the twilight of his monarchy blighted by scandal and health problems, including five operations in the last two years.
He has seen his popularity nosedive in the face of a string of corruption scandals and gaffes in recent years, including the infamous photograph of him posing - gun on hip - next to a dead elephant in Botswana while his homeland wallowed in its financial crisis of 2012.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2646032/BREAKING-NEWS-King-Juan-Carlos-Spain-abdicate-hand-crown-son-Filipe.html



Title: Re: King Juan Carlos abdicates
Post by: Countess of Holland on June 02, 2014, 01:29:38 pm
Indeed no competition. Letizia had her own career; she worked for TVE (the Spanish version of the BBC) and she reported on the events of 9/11 f.e. For a reporter to be send to the US/ NY, she must have been a highflyer at the television-station.


Title: Re: King Juan Carlos abdicates
Post by: Alexandrine on June 02, 2014, 01:41:22 pm
Except that she worked in TVE as you say but that channel works on connections not talent. Highflyer sure but not for her awesome professionalism.


Title: Re: King Juan Carlos abdicates
Post by: RoyalWatcher on June 02, 2014, 02:09:43 pm
you don't get the job Alexandrine, unless you do have connections.  That's true in spain, the US and most of the world.

Good to see that Juan Carlos is abdicating.  He knows, unlike Liz, that a change at the top is needed. 


Title: Re: King Juan Carlos abdicates
Post by: gingerboy24 on June 02, 2014, 02:27:54 pm
Letizia knocks spots off wasty, in every way.  A very good article for Letizia.  At least she doesn´t prance around showing her crotch or her butt, unlike wasty.  The two pics below say it all for me, the difference between the wheat and the chaff.

http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2014/06/02/article-2646060-1E68028700000578-227_472x657.jpg

http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2014/06/02/article-2646060-01B7044B00000514-679_472x657.jpg



Title: Re: King Juan Carlos abdicates
Post by: Rock n royal on June 02, 2014, 02:37:12 pm
I've been reading around a little bit as I really know very little about the SRF. After doing that I say, congratulations King Felipe and Queen Letizia.

I also wonder what will become of Queen Sophia? I knew of the affairs she has had to put up with. As a Catholic will she divorce and live her own life now? I hope so.

Does anyone know what K JC and Queen Sophia will be known as now?

I read those articles Gingerboy. I liked the majority of the comments as much as the articles. :tehe:


Title: Re: King Juan Carlos abdicates
Post by: gingerboy24 on June 02, 2014, 02:53:24 pm
^ Me too  :laugh:


Title: Re: King Juan Carlos abdicates
Post by: Alexandrine on June 02, 2014, 02:57:01 pm
@Rock n Royal the main problem is that it seems that nothing has been thought too much. There has been no news on what will happen with JC and the Queen. Neither in terms of money, titles or whatever.

@gingerboy24 sorry but before seeing Kate's knickers we saw first Leti's http://blogdelatele.blogspot.com.es/2007/08/fotos-y-vdeo-revista-hola-y-doa-letizia.html


Title: Re: King Juan Carlos abdicates
Post by: YooperModerator on June 02, 2014, 03:40:46 pm
^I'm not sure I've ever seen Kate's underwear before, Alex, during a 'blowup'.  At least this new Queen has undergarments on and it's interesting to see from your pic how much different a reaction there is than actually seeing someone's full-on behind or that awful frontal shot on the plane stairs. 

As for comparisons between Kate and this lovely woman, they're both brunette and slender; that's about all I see.  The DM cracks me up sometimes.


Title: Re: King Juan Carlos abdicates
Post by: berlin on June 02, 2014, 03:58:10 pm
There is no law in regards to abdication so Parliament will meet tomorrow and then we will know how things will go.  I don't like Bsiction, but here it's mighty convenient.


Title: Re: King Juan Carlos abdicates
Post by: Alexandrine on June 02, 2014, 04:01:20 pm
In reality there are no laws about the monarchy at all....

Now that I remember when I studied constitutional law the teacher said that we wouldn't see anything about the crown as it had never been used. LOL


Title: Re: King Juan Carlos abdicates
Post by: Kuei Fei on June 02, 2014, 06:34:09 pm
I wonder what kind of Queen Consort Letizia will make. I hope she continues to stay at Felipe's side and not run around gallivanting around the world promoting trendy causes, ignoring him.


Title: Re: King Juan Carlos abdicates
Post by: Alexandrine on June 02, 2014, 06:54:32 pm
let's see KF. She wanted to be Rania. And now she has her face and the title.

There will be demonstrations in some cities today. Ive seen in my city the police preparing and people with republicans flags.


Title: Re: King Juan Carlos abdicates
Post by: Nighthawk on June 02, 2014, 07:27:20 pm
Letizia Ortiz, from TV presenter to queen of Spain
http://www.gmanetwork.com/news/story/363806/lifestyle/peopleandevents/letizia-ortiz-from-tv-presenter-to-queen-of-spain
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A former television presenter from a modest background, Letizia Ortiz will break the mold of the classic royal when she is crowned queen of Spain.
Ortiz, the granddaughter of a taxi driver, got married on May 22, 2004 to Crown Prince Felipe de Bourbon who is now to take over the throne after the abdication of his father, King Juan Carlos.
The couple's sumptuous and rain-soaked marriage ceremony at Madrid's Almudena Cathedral ended years of speculation over the love life of the prince, five years older than her.
The photogenic 41-year-old will be the first Spanish-born queen since Maria de las Mercedes de Orleans y Bourbon, first wife of Felipe's great-grandfather Alfonso XIII, who died in 1904.
Even before joining the royal family, Ortiz was a well-known face in her job as evening news presenter for Spanish national television TVE.
Previously, she had worked for a Spanish newswire and various newspapers before moving into television.
The bride's modest background and divorcee status shocked some in Spain. She married former literature teacher Alonso Guerrero in a civil ceremony in her mid-20s but the pair split up within months.
But her down-to-earth attitude and elegant dress style brought a welcome touch to the Spanish monarchy, which was restored in 1975 on the death of General Francisco Franco.
When Felipe interrupted Ortiz at their official engagement presentation as she explained how she would gradually leave her job at TVE, the future queen snapped at him: "Let me finish!"
During her first years as princess, Ortiz struggled to gain the affection of Spaniards, who often criticized her as being distant and cold at public events.
But public sympathy for Ortiz soared after her 31-year-old sister Erika committed suicide in February 2007.
Dressed in black and pregnant with her second child, Ortiz broke down in tears as she briefly addressed a crowd of reporters after leaving a memorial mass for her sister.
"Thanks to all who have felt sadness over the death of my little sister," said Ortiz as she clung to the arm of Felipe.


Title: Re: King Juan Carlos abdicates
Post by: Sidney on June 02, 2014, 09:26:37 pm
Haha. Well done, Juan Carlos. He's handed his son and daughter-in-law a hot potato of colossal proportions. He'll live the rest of his life without a care in the world, enjoying the perks of being a retired King and watching these two good-for-nothings sweat it out. The situation in Spain is at its worst right now. Nobody with half a brain would want to be in the position these two are very soon going to find themselves in. It will be fun to watch, that's for sure.

Well! That was certainly a surprise. The DM claims Letizia is popular in Spain, being seen as a modern woman.

LOL. The joke was good enough.

Yes, apparently Letizia has been attacked mercilessly over the years


She's earned it.

Indeed no competition. Letizia had her own career; she worked for TVE (the Spanish version of the BBC) and she reported on the events of 9/11 f.e. For a reporter to be send to the US/ NY, she must have been a highflyer at the television-station.

Ummm... Do you know why she worked for TVE and reported those particular events?

Letizia knocks spots off wasty, in every way.  A very good article for Letizia.  At least she doesn´t prance around showing her crotch or her butt, unlike wasty.  The two pics below say it all for me, the difference between the wheat and the chaff.

http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2014/06/02/article-2646060-1E68028700000578-227_472x657.jpg

http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2014/06/02/article-2646060-01B7044B00000514-679_472x657.jpg



Interesting. What about this picture? What does it say to you?

http://de10.com.mx/img/promos/mana.jpg

I wonder what kind of Queen Consort Letizia will make. I hope she continues to stay at Felipe's side and not run around gallivanting around the world promoting trendy causes, ignoring him.

Well, she'll pretty much want to be a 9-5 Queen. Princess Doolittle is not likely to change after all these years.






Title: Re: King Juan Carlos abdicates
Post by: Kuei Fei on June 02, 2014, 09:28:44 pm
let's see KF. She wanted to be Rania. And now she has her face and the title.

I just hope that Letizia doesn't leave her husband alone all the time; Spain is different than Jordan and Rania has faced a huge backlash. If Leti starts running around the world and leaves her husband alone, it will make things difficult. Now is the time for her to stand by her man.


Title: Re: King Juan Carlos abdicates
Post by: gingerboy24 on June 02, 2014, 09:41:58 pm
@Rock n Royal the main problem is that it seems that nothing has been thought too much. There has been no news on what will happen with JC and the Queen. Neither in terms of money, titles or whatever.

@gingerboy24 sorry but before seeing Kate's knickers we saw first Leti's http://blogdelatele.blogspot.com.es/2007/08/fotos-y-vdeo-revista-hola-y-doa-letizia.html

Unlike wasty with her crotchgate shot at NZ airport showing an infected crotch full frontal to the world wide press, Letizia did have under wear on.  In fact, compared to wasty's exposure to the world Letizia's photo could be termed modest.  How many of these moments have we had from wasty, and I see some mag has said

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She’s been with The Firm for more than three years. She is married to a man who will be king, and she gave birth to a baby who will be king. It’s time for her to literally put on her big-girl panties, not to mention adding some weights to all of her hems. Or, you know, maybe not. Because all things royal have to come with some absurdity, the UK papers claim that Kate still doesn’t want to change her “going commando under a light, fluttery dress” ways. So she’s just hiring someone to keep an eye on her bum. Seriously.


And a comment

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Queen Elizabeth needs to put a stop to this behavior now. I think Kate is a spoiled, entitled nitwit that was raised with the attitude that society must conform for her and not she for it. She should be willing to do whatever it takes to properly serve the society that she committed herself to by marrying the Prince. I believe this story, and I also believe the stories of her being nothing but a closed-mouth *lowlife* in college that would do anything to get the Duchess title. I dislike her incredibly now.


I find it very unacceptable that wasty thinks the rf should bow to her terms and demands. She stalked long enough to get into that family, and now she is more or less sticking two fingers in the air to them and saying I don't give a cuss, I will do exactly what I want to do.  HM is ridiculous to put up with it. She should send them packing, and fast.  Just who does wasty think she is, she was nothing but a booty call for 10 years, she should be so snooty.


Title: Re: King Juan Carlos abdicates
Post by: HRH Tiana of NOLA on June 02, 2014, 09:57:51 pm
Isn't this the third or fourth abdication and recent years? Is there a trend or something?


Title: Re: King Juan Carlos abdicates
Post by: cate1949 on June 02, 2014, 10:12:09 pm
at least Letizia was wearing underpants when the wind got her skirts and she is not a repeat offender.

She has impressed me - she works hard at her charities - she is on several international committees and it is obvious that she is not just there for a meet and greet collect the floral bouquet.  I often see her carrying papers and reports etc to her meetings so she is a participant.  I like her style - she dresses professionally and fashionably but not ostentatiously.

I'd expect Queen Sofia to keep up her charity work.


Title: Re: King Juan Carlos abdicates
Post by: Sidney on June 02, 2014, 11:46:46 pm
at least Letizia was wearing underpants when the wind got her skirts and she is not a repeat offender.

We've seen Letizia's underpants many times. First one, during her honeymoon. The pictures showing her underpants were banned by the Royal House but all the reporters said that they saw her underwear.

http://img132.imageshack.us/img132/5049/hm20ap317410guest7ik.jpg

And many other times.

At least we haven't repeatedly seen Kate's because of her poor choice of see-through clothes:

http://www.vanitatis.com/cache/2012/11/27/81leti-d.jpg

http://www.vanitatis.com/cache/2012/11/08/8berzas.jpg

At least Kate doesn't display tasteless fake breasts at royal weddings:

http://img338.imageshack.us/img338/2350/872673polfotobb8.jpg

At least Kate doesn't display her rotten teeth for everyone to see:

http://t2.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcQRcLmRVi_5DWJZvJdxcTGiOpd_Sez-HOGgLIalxHUkc2vykKb-

http://i245.photobucket.com/albums/gg66/Arualzgz/DibujoZ.jpg

http://www.hola.com/bodaprincipe/2004/02/28/findesemanacandanchu/imgs/ppeyletizia-candanchu4b.jpg

At least Kate doesn't use fake bottoms:

http://t0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcTZsP36QGq0-tWVLs479KN8ebk9FPvbXdFA5aRes1Mh8EVrXKys5Q

Kate is not the perfect princess, alright, but she's no worse than Letizia.




She has impressed me - she works hard at her charities - she is on several international committees and it is obvious that she is not just there for a meet and greet collect the floral bouquet.  I often see her carrying papers and reports etc to her meetings so she is a participant.  I like her style - she dresses professionally and fashionably but not ostentatiously.


 ??? She carries blank papers and poses for the pictures sitting at the table with the true professionals while holding a pen and pretending to be an important and active participant but she's just there for the pic.


Title: Re: King Juan Carlos abdicates
Post by: Magnolia on June 03, 2014, 12:25:01 am
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Good step down disgusting vile old man animal abuser/killer.


Title: Re: King Juan Carlos abdicates
Post by: cate1949 on June 03, 2014, 12:27:41 am
JC really is a good lesson in how egotism will get you in the end - this is a man who guided his nation to democracy - and who was loved for that.  But now - he indulges his worst passions - mistresses - hunts - and destroys the affection people had for him and wipes away the memory of his work to bring Spain to democracy.  A lesson here. 



Title: Re: King Juan Carlos abdicates
Post by: Magnolia on June 03, 2014, 12:50:23 am
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So now the press says it'll be Queen Letizia the UK will start more than ever with the please Charlie boy move over and let Wimpo first rule ahead of you we need a young King even though he sucks!!!


Title: Re: King Juan Carlos abdicates
Post by: cate1949 on June 03, 2014, 01:01:01 am
I don't think so Magnolia - the British think their RF is superior to everyone else's so no abdication for them.  Anyway - JC had become deeply unpopular - HM is still beloved.


Title: Re: King Juan Carlos abdicates
Post by: Nighthawk on June 03, 2014, 03:16:32 am
Poor Charles seeing another royal younger than him taking up on the throne must totally suck for him knowing his mother will only step down upon her death and I pray to whatever is out there that HM stays around for a very long time....will be interesting to see How things run under a new ruler


Title: Re: King Juan Carlos abdicates
Post by: Sidney on June 03, 2014, 08:56:35 am
Mari Ángeles Alcázar has just said on the radio that the polls have been showing for quite a while now that Felipe's popularity and likeability decrease when Letizia is with him.

I don't think so Magnolia - the British think their RF is superior to everyone else's so no abdication for them.  Anyway - JC had become deeply unpopular - HM is still beloved.

Many years ago I had a teacher from the UK who told me that he didn't think his country's Queen should abdicate. There are people in Spain who think she should have done that already because Charles is getting old and it's about time he becomes king. My teacher said "Why should she?". I think it pretty much sums it all up. While the idea of a monarchy as a political system doesn't sit well with me, I like Queen Elizabeth. I think she truly loves her country and wants what's best for it. As far as I'm concerned, people in Spain love the William and Kate but they do it for the same reasons they love Felipe and Letizia: they see the youth in them, the looks, the clothes and they think they are better than the ones who came before. Window dressing, if you ask me.

So now the press says it'll be Queen Letizia the UK will start more than ever with the please Charlie boy move over and let Wimpo first rule ahead of you we need a young King even though he sucks!!!

It's been like that in Spain for quite a while, too. They've been mercilessly pestering us for years with how intelligent and out of this world Felipe is, how amazing is IQ is, how much he knows about everything... Please, have these people heard him speak? My God...


Title: Re: King Juan Carlos abdicates
Post by: rainbow on June 03, 2014, 11:41:10 am
Oh well at least there is no doubt she actually wears  knickers!


Title: Re: King Juan Carlos abdicates
Post by: Rock n royal on June 03, 2014, 02:17:38 pm
I read somewhere last night there had been demonstrations across Spain. I couldn't tell if they were pro republican or pro JC. Does anyone have any more information about this please?


Title: Re: King Juan Carlos abdicates
Post by: Rosella on June 03, 2014, 02:27:47 pm
I think perhaps the riots were to do with anti-globalisation rallies. I hope, whatever the cause of the disturbances that the new King and Queen are given a chance. They deserve that, at least.


Title: Re: King Juan Carlos abdicates
Post by: Alexandrine on June 03, 2014, 02:38:26 pm
^absolutedly not. The rallies were about wanting a republic.

Of course interests were mixed. Some places it was more abouy wanting an independent republican state and others a socialist republic. But it wast not an anti globalisation rally with a couple of republican flags.

And I can say this because due to one I couldnt get access to my bus.

I dont know why they deserve a chance? They have had 300 hundred years and it has been a complete disaster.

Ive been recently to the Prado museum and I got the opportunity to see again the family pictures of the Borbones (if anyone goes the family of charles iv by Goya is the best) and in those pictures you can read the history of spain. You know what I felt? Total frustration from what we could have had and what we have now.

The abdication is wanting to keep the old regime changing everything. Very lampedusian.


Title: Re: King Juan Carlos abdicates
Post by: Rosella on June 03, 2014, 02:45:55 pm
I bow to your superior knowledge of the situation in Spain, Alexandrine.


Title: Re: King Juan Carlos abdicates
Post by: Rock n royal on June 03, 2014, 03:01:37 pm
Thanks Alexandrine. There were pictures in Madrid and the squares were all full of people. There was some commentary it was peaceful, some there had been arrests. Considering the timing it had to have something to do with the monarchy, it was just difficult to ascertain what exactly.


Title: Re: King Juan Carlos abdicates
Post by: YooperModerator on June 03, 2014, 03:09:25 pm
^^Seriously.


Title: Re: King Juan Carlos abdicates
Post by: Rock n royal on June 03, 2014, 03:28:39 pm
I shamelessly admit to stealing these from elsewhere:

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-27671685

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2647087/Thousands-anti-monarchist-protesters-streets-Spain-calling-republic-King-Juan-Carlos-abdicates-39-years.html

http://www.euronews.com/2014/06/03/spanish-abdication-boosts-republican-cause/


Title: Re: King Juan Carlos abdicates
Post by: Alexandrine on June 03, 2014, 03:37:12 pm
My knowledge only cames because I live here and have to suffer spanish politics. There are people who know lots more than I do.

However I am biased in the sense that I am a republican.

About the demonstration in one of them they showed a guillotine, I will try to look for the photo.

an article in english about the rallieshttp://m1.marketwatch.com/articles/BL-MWSRB-1699


Title: Re: King Juan Carlos abdicates
Post by: Nighthawk on June 03, 2014, 03:49:37 pm
Spanish politicians lay out abdication timetable
http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-27672997
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Spanish politicians have been outlining the next steps in the abdication of King Juan Carlos and the accession of his son Crown Prince Felipe.

Parliament Speaker Jesus Posada said that he thought the necessary legal steps could be completed by 18 June.

The royal household would then decide the date of the coronation, he said.

Prime Minister Mariano Rajoy has rebuffed calls for a referendum on the monarchy, saying it had "the support of the great majority in Spain".

King Juan Carlos announced on Monday that he would step down after nearly 40 years on the throne.

He was seen as popular for much of his reign, but recently many Spaniards have lost confidence in him.

On Monday evening, hours after his announcement, some left-wing parties staged demonstrations attended by tens of thousands of people across many cities, including Madrid and Barcelona, demanding a referendum on the monarchy.

However, the two main parties in parliament remain loyal to the monarchy, with the El Pais newspaper estimating that at least 86% of MPs will approve the special law needed to ensure the succession.


Title: Re: King Juan Carlos abdicates
Post by: Rock n royal on June 03, 2014, 07:02:25 pm
English text of King Juan Carlos of Spain’s message to Spain, 2 June 2014

Today, when I look back, I can only feel pride and gratitude to you.

Pride for the many good things we have achieved together over the years.

And gratitude for the support you have given me to make my reign, begun in full youth at a time of great uncertainties and difficulties, a long period of peace, stability and progress.

Faithful to the political desire of my father, the Count of Barcelona, from whom I inherited the historic legacy of the Spanish monarchy, I wanted to be king for all Spaniards. I have identified with and engaged with your hopes, I have enjoyed your successes and suffered when pain or frustration overwhelmed you.

The long and deep economic crisis we are suffering from has left serious scars in the social fabric but it is also showing us the way to a future full of hope.

These difficult years have allowed us to take self-critical stock of our errors and our limitations as a society.

And, as a counterweight, it has also revived the proud awareness of what we have been and are capable of; and of what we have been and are: a great nation.

All this has awakened in us an urge for renewal, to overcome, to correct mistakes and open the way to a decidedly better future.

Today a younger generation deserves to take the front line, with new energies, resolute in undertaking with determination the transformations and reforms that this moment in time demands and to confront tomorrow’s challenges with renewed intensity and dedication.

In forging this future, a new generation is rightly claiming its role as protagonist, just as happened in a crucial moment of the history of the generation to which I belong.

My only ambition has been and will continue to be to contribute always to achieve the well-being and progress in freedom of all Spaniards.

I want the best for Spain, to which I have dedicated my entire life and to whose service I have placed all my abilities, my hope and my work.

My son Felipe, heir to the Crown, embodies the stability that is the distinguishing mark of the monarchical institution.

When last January I turned 76, I thought it was time to prepare the handover in a few months so as to leave the way to someone who is in excellent condition to assure that stability.

The Prince of Asturias has the maturity, the readiness and the sense of responsibility needed to take on with full guarantees the leadership of the state and open a new phase of hope combining experience and the drive of a new generation. For that, I know he will count on the support that he will always have from Princess Letizia.

For all these reasons, guided by the conviction of having given my best service to the Spanish people and having recovered physically and resumed my institutional activities, I decided to put an end to my reign and abdicate the Crown of Spain so that the government and parliament can give effect to the succession in line with the constitution.

I have just officially informed the president of the government of this, this morning.
I would like to express my gratitude to the Spanish people, to all who have embodied the powers and institutions of the state during my reign and to all those who have generously and loyally helped me to fulfill my duties.

And my gratitude to the Queen, whose help and generous support have never failed me.

I hold and will always hold Spain deep in my heart.


Title: Re: King Juan Carlos abdicates
Post by: cate1949 on June 03, 2014, 08:52:34 pm
good speech - interesting time for Spain - I think Felipe will be an excellent King - he has spent a lot of time working with young people and understands their problems and frustrations -


Title: Re: King Juan Carlos abdicates
Post by: Sidney on June 03, 2014, 10:39:17 pm
I read somewhere last night there had been demonstrations across Spain. I couldn't tell if they were pro republican or pro JC. Does anyone have any more information about this please?

Pro republican and pro referendum. It's just about time.

Here are the pics (see how they wave the republican flag):

Málaga:

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BpJWkgCCcAA9JfF.jpg

Barcelona:

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BpJV4kxCIAETxkq.jpg

Madrid:

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BpJXCgKIUAQoRq7.jpg

Palma:

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BpJW5YRCUAIvown.jpg


Zaragoza:

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BpJVA02CUAA0UmG.jpg

London:

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BpJV4tXIMAA2gdB.jpg

Bilbao:

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BpJZR4pCAAErSDu.jpg

I think perhaps the riots were to do with anti-globalisation rallies. I hope, whatever the cause of the disturbances that the new King and Queen are given a chance. They deserve that, at least.

Nothing to do with anti-globalisation. They were anti Felipe and pro referendum/republic.

good speech - interesting time for Spain - I think Felipe will be an excellent King - he has spent a lot of time working with young people and understands their problems and frustrations -

He understands absolutely nothing because you can't understand what you don't know. Felipe doesn't know what it's like to be young and unemployed. He doesn't know what it's like to EARN things. He doesn't know what it's like to not be able to put food on the table for your kids. He doesn't know what long-term unemployment feels like. He doesn't know what it's like to work. He knows NOTHING. He was born with a silver spoon in his mouth and has lived in an ivory tower all his life. His wife? Well, she forgot about all this the minute she became a royal. These two couldn't care less about Spain and its citizens and even if they did, what can they do to help us? NOTHING. Youth unemployment rate in Spain = 56.1% What is he going to do to help us? And Letizia the oh-so-understanding-commoner? What is she going to do? Get another nose job at our expense?


Title: Re: King Juan Carlos abdicates
Post by: cate1949 on June 04, 2014, 01:25:11 am
I appreciate that you are angry and times are hard - but chill okay?  I don't need to have my statements attacked by you every time I post.  People are capable of empathy - of understanding another person's situation - one does not have to be unemployed to know how desperate and scary that would be.  And frankly - the Spanish government for sure is not going to address these problems - so at least there is someone in a position of some power who will speak up for those young people.



Title: Re: King Juan Carlos abdicates
Post by: Fly on the wall on June 04, 2014, 01:29:33 am
Prince Felipe will be crowned King of Spain on 18 June

http://www.newmyroyals.com/2014/06/prince-felipe-will-be-crowned-king-of.html


Title: Re: King Juan Carlos abdicates
Post by: Kuei Fei on June 04, 2014, 03:42:35 am
I appreciate that you are angry and times are hard - but chill okay?  I don't need to have my statements attacked by you every time I post.  People are capable of empathy - of understanding another person's situation - one does not have to be unemployed to know how desperate and scary that would be.  And frankly - the Spanish government for sure is not going to address these problems - so at least there is someone in a position of some power who will speak up for those young people.

has Felipe spoken Up? has Letizia shown any interest? Do either of them make speeches talking about employment?

Letizia looks like she's going to spend her time doing more international things and will not give a fig about Spain or Spaniards and as for being a 9-5 Queen, well, tells everyone everything about what Spain means to her. She intends of 'normal' Queening and that is of course, impossible since the day she married Felipe she was a future Queen. if she's going to keep 'normal hours' then that means that if it means holding off a state banquet, so be it.

AKA

What Letizia wants, Letizia gets and the rest of Spain can stuff it.


Title: Re: King Juan Carlos abdicates
Post by: Sidney on June 04, 2014, 10:00:44 am
I appreciate that you are angry and times are hard - but chill okay?  I don't need to have my statements attacked by you every time I post. People are capable of empathy - of understanding another person's situation - one does not have to be unemployed to know how desperate and scary that would be.  And frankly - the Spanish government for sure is not going to address these problems - so at least there is someone in a position of some power who will speak up for those young people.

1. I'm not attacking anyone's statements, I'm expressing my thoughts on them.
2. His empathy won't help matters. Having him say "I feel so much for our young people" is not going to solve the problem. Spain needs facts, not words. Unfortunately, shallow words are the only thing these people have to offer. I still remember the last time he addressed this issue in public. "Education is the key to finding a good job". That comes to show just how out of touch with reality this man is. He still thinks that the reason why so many young people are unemployed is because they dropped out of school (which is what happened... 15 years ago). My God...

I appreciate that you are angry and times are hard - but chill okay?  I don't need to have my statements attacked by you every time I post.  People are capable of empathy - of understanding another person's situation - one does not have to be unemployed to know how desperate and scary that would be.  And frankly - the Spanish government for sure is not going to address these problems - so at least there is someone in a position of some power who will speak up for those young people.

has Felipe spoken Up? has Letizia shown any interest? Do either of them make speeches talking about employment?

Letizia looks like she's going to spend her time doing more international things and will not give a fig about Spain or Spaniards and as for being a 9-5 Queen, well, tells everyone everything about what Spain means to her. She intends of 'normal' Queening and that is of course, impossible since the day she married Felipe she was a future Queen. if she's going to keep 'normal hours' then that means that if it means holding off a state banquet, so be it.

AKA

What Letizia wants, Letizia gets and the rest of Spain can stuff it.

Ditto.


Title: Re: King Juan Carlos abdicates
Post by: Rock n royal on June 04, 2014, 06:47:54 pm
The future King and Queen's first appearance since the abdication: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2648546/Back-business-future-king-queen-Spain-make-public-appearance-abdication-King-Juan-Carlos.html


Title: Re: King Juan Carlos abdicates
Post by: Sidney on June 04, 2014, 08:01:51 pm
Last 2 pics are scary. She looks demonic.


Title: Re: King Juan Carlos abdicates
Post by: Rock n royal on June 04, 2014, 09:42:53 pm
I disagree. I think she is a very attractive young woman. Looks are relative though, but I do think demonic is a little strong!


Title: Re: King Juan Carlos abdicates
Post by: Nighthawk on June 04, 2014, 09:46:47 pm
I've seen Kate and her mother called way worse than demonic and nobody really calls anyone else on it.....I have never really cared for Lezitia although I do like some of her clothing styles....she's looking way to skinny


Title: Re: King Juan Carlos abdicates
Post by: Rock n royal on June 04, 2014, 09:50:02 pm
Very true. It boils down to what you think of a person. I am only now learning about the SRF and admit to barely scratching the surface, but I think Letizia has the making of a wonderful Queen consort. That's why I feel demonic is a bit strong. As I said, it's all relative.


Title: Re: King Juan Carlos abdicates
Post by: Countess of Holland on June 04, 2014, 10:06:00 pm
2. His empathy won't help matters. Having him say "I feel so much for our young people" is not going to solve the problem. Spain needs facts, not words. Unfortunately, shallow words are the only thing these people have to offer. I still remember the last time he addressed this issue in public. "Education is the key to finding a good job". That comes to show just how out of touch with reality this man is. He still thinks that the reason why so many young people are unemployed is because they dropped out of school (which is what happened... 15 years ago). My God...

You realise that as a King (or Crown Prince) he has absolutely no power right? What can he do but show empathy and support the people in any way he can? He is not entitled to lower taxes, raise benefits, give out subsidies to create jobs etc. That is all the government and parliament.
Essentially the role of a King or Queen in a parliamentary monrachy is, in the words of Bagehot; the right to be consulted, the right to encourage and the right to warn. And within those restrictions, what else can a King, any King (or ceremonial president for that matter), do but to travel through out the country, talk to people, to local politicians and return to the capital with his impressions and inform the government-members who are in charge?

As for education, I think he has a point. And that doesn't mean that everyone needs to go to university, but everyone should have an education at ones own level; whether as a qualified plumber or a surgeon. In The Netherlands companies invested heavily in education during the crisis, instead of firing people, they gave them part-time contracts and in the rest of the time, these workers went back to school or training-institutions. The result is now that the pool of Dutch workers is higher educated and qualified than it was before the crisis and this will help them now that the crisis is slowly waning.
Education is truly the basis of everything; in order to get a job, in order to make enough money, to be able to move up on the social and economic ladder. And Félipe is not the only royal who stresses that time and time again. The Dutch Queen Maxima (as well as her sister-in-law Princess Laurentien) stress that point as well and there are many more royals and politicians out there that do the same.
Is education the magical pill that will cure all problems? No, obviously not, but it is a start. And I rather have people going back to college or a vocational training institute than have them sitting around on their couches and sleep in until 10:00 a.m. Education has a social function as well after all.


Title: Re: King Juan Carlos abdicates
Post by: Kuei Fei on June 05, 2014, 01:19:31 am
How good they will be is purely theoretical; if Letizia starts running around the world and pushes her way onto UN committees and indulges in fashionable trendy causes and at the same time, ignores her duties to be by her husband's side (her main duty) and ignores the courtiers and people (of Spain), then she will be a failure. Spain is supposed to be her only primary interest and opportunity and so far, the court has kept her from running around making a fool of herself.

Lets be frank; Letizia is not so high ranking (professionally or otherwise) that she had high connections prior to her ascent as Felipe's wife. She's been at Felipe's side mainly because until now, she's been kept by his side (where she belongs). I sincerely believe (and I've so far not been wrong about the majority of my predictions) that she will start shirking Spain, she will increasingly ignore Felipe (if she ever cared about him in the first place), and show more interest in UN stuff than Spanish stuff.

Thing is, that with women like Letizia, they make the huge mistake of trying to replicate a 'normal' unaccountable life rather than one dedicated to duty and showing basic respect for herself. She looks miserable at his side, with him aging prematurely and looking more and more sour. She sounds like she already looks down on being Queen of Spain and is impatient to ditch her husband and end up seeing the world on Spain's dime and acting like Rania, who has been blasted for her jet set lifestyle.

I don't think either will be anything other than a basic King/Queen of Spain and that will be pretty much it. I believe that she will end up not really caring; already setting limits on her availability of being a Sovereign, being available to her people, should tell everyone everything about her intentions. As for Felipe, I haven't seen him or Letizia making it a point to invite industrialists or entrepreneurs to the palace and wheedle jobs out of them for Spaniards; I don't see him and Letizia making it a point to travel the world, discover the latest innovations, and then help get the inventors manufacturing contracts and create jobs for Spaniards.

Letizia strikes me as someone who is killing time, itching to get her hands on the crown, then use her status as a calling card and get on UN committees and spend most of her time in meetings and speeches and award ceremonies, with her kids with the nannies and her husband in a cold bed. Apparently you can tell that she's interested only in doing her basics in regards to kids (two) and uninterested in even pretending to be a dutiful wife (Felipe does not look like a happy man).

I give it a while, but she'll soon be running around the world while the monarchy crumbles around her husband's shoulders.


Title: Re: King Juan Carlos abdicates
Post by: Rosella on June 05, 2014, 02:14:43 am
KF, where have you got the idea that Felipe is an unhappy man, that he and Letizia are unhappily married or that she is a neglectful mother? There are many many photographs of Felipe and Letizia interacting, smiling at each other, holding hands sometimes. going out together at night, and doing things with their children.

Letizia is a middle-aged woman in her 40's. I can't see why she is ageing particularly badly. She may have had a bit of Botox or other work, but in general, she looks petite, pretty and on many occasions, quite elegant.


Title: Re: King Juan Carlos abdicates
Post by: Countess of Holland on June 05, 2014, 09:19:27 am
^KF...where did you get the idea that Letizia is desperate to work for the UN? And as a Dutch citizen, I really don't see the harm in it by the way. I am extremely proud that my Queen Maxima is working for the UN for such a wonderful cause like inclusive finance that will, hopefully, elevate more and more people all over the world out of poverty.

It is not like she is 'ignoring' the Netherlands and neither will Letizia. Considering her (Letizia) former profession, I think it would be wonderful if Letizia would do something for press-freedom or an organisation like Journalists without Borders that calls on governments to keep journalists safe and not use them in pawns in their own power struggles. News-gathering is a corner-stone of a working democracy...in order to use that right to vote and to use it properly, people NEED information, un-biased information.

Furthermore, royals have been used for centuries to forge ties between countries and to shape treaties, to enhance business- and trade interests etc. For that, an international role can only be helpfull. While in NY for a UN-meeting. Letizia can come into contact with this or that ambassador and she redirect the ambassador to a member of government or make an introduction between him and the Spanish ambassador. And believe me...this is how it works the world over. The world of diplomacy and trade is a world of networking and to get into contact with a royal (whether born one or married into) is interesting for many people. And not to use that would be downright silly.
It is just important that it is a matter that Letizia is interested in and comfortable with. Because faking an interest will work counter-productive.


Title: Re: King Juan Carlos abdicates
Post by: cate1949 on June 06, 2014, 01:26:47 am
You're right KF - keep 'em pregnant and barefoot!

Seriously -


Title: Re: King Juan Carlos abdicates
Post by: gingerboy24 on June 06, 2014, 01:59:55 pm
at least Letizia was wearing underpants when the wind got her skirts and she is not a repeat offender.

We've seen Letizia's underpants many times. First one, during her honeymoon. The pictures showing her underpants were banned by the Royal House but all the reporters said that they saw her underwear.

http://img132.imageshack.us/img132/5049/hm20ap317410guest7ik.jpg

And many other times.

At least we haven't repeatedly seen Kate's because of her poor choice of see-through clothes:

http://www.vanitatis.com/cache/2012/11/27/81leti-d.jpg

http://www.vanitatis.com/cache/2012/11/08/8berzas.jpg

At least Kate doesn't display tasteless fake breasts at royal weddings:

http://img338.imageshack.us/img338/2350/872673polfotobb8.jpg

At least Kate doesn't display her rotten teeth for everyone to see:

http://t2.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcQRcLmRVi_5DWJZvJdxcTGiOpd_Sez-HOGgLIalxHUkc2vykKb-

http://i245.photobucket.com/albums/gg66/Arualzgz/DibujoZ.jpg

http://www.hola.com/bodaprincipe/2004/02/28/findesemanacandanchu/imgs/ppeyletizia-candanchu4b.jpg

At least Kate doesn't use fake bottoms:

http://t0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcTZsP36QGq0-tWVLs479KN8ebk9FPvbXdFA5aRes1Mh8EVrXKys5Q

Kate is not the perfect princess, alright, but she's no worse than Letizia.




She has impressed me - she works hard at her charities - she is on several international committees and it is obvious that she is not just there for a meet and greet collect the floral bouquet.  I often see her carrying papers and reports etc to her meetings so she is a participant.  I like her style - she dresses professionally and fashionably but not ostentatiously.


 ??? She carries blank papers and poses for the pictures sitting at the table with the true professionals while holding a pen and pretending to be an important and active participant but she's just there for the pic.

I see nothing in any of the links you posted that show a naked crotch or backside, her jumpers show nothing other than a bra.  I have also seen many photos, freely available on the internet, of wasty´s very uneven teeth before she had dental work done to them.   I would say there is a big difference between Princess Letizia and wasty, and PL wins hands down every time.  Wasty just has not got a clue.  Princess Letizia is not the perfect princess, but she is miles ahead of wasty.  How do we know what is in her bag when she goes to meetings?  Unless we see what is in the bag we have no idea whether the papers are blank or not.   Princess Letizia for me, all the way.  As the DM photos show, second to PL in every one of them.


Title: Re: King Juan Carlos abdicates
Post by: gingerboy24 on June 06, 2014, 02:03:41 pm
I disagree. I think she is a very attractive young woman. Looks are relative though, but I do think demonic is a little strong!

Agree Rock n Royal.  I think she looks a little overwhelmed in some of them. Wasty has that demonic, maniacal grin that she gives all the time, dreadful look.  At least Princess Letizia is doing her best, more than we can say about wasty.


Title: Re: King Juan Carlos abdicates
Post by: Rosella on June 06, 2014, 02:31:13 pm
I think Letizia is a rather elegant woman. She's looked stunning in some photos I've seen of her in evening wear. I just hope that things work out for the new King and Queen of Spain.


Title: Re: King Juan Carlos abdicates
Post by: YooperModerator on June 06, 2014, 02:38:19 pm
From all that I've seen of Letizia and I fully acknowledge that I don't know all of the negatives as well as others, I think the main difference between the two women (if we must go there) is that PL shows enormous promise and has a confidence about her; behavior I've never seen nor doubt I will ever see in Kate.  And, for me, those are the most important qualities required here. 


Title: Re: King Juan Carlos abdicates
Post by: Kuei Fei on June 07, 2014, 02:07:09 am
If she's intent on being a "9-5 Queen," I think she's setting herself up for failure and setting herself up for a tremendous amount of unpopularity. Look at how WK are being flamed more and more and more as thye keep making it clear that they want to 'live normally' and be working royals on their terms.

You're right KF - keep 'em pregnant and barefoot!
Seriously -

You don't marry into an RF to be an independent woman; the whole point of being a consort is to prop up the husband's ego and make appearances and look pretty.


Title: Re: King Juan Carlos abdicates
Post by: Rock n royal on June 07, 2014, 01:49:17 pm
The Proclamation of Felipe VI of Spain will be on June 19, 2014. No other royal houses will attend as there is no space to accommodate them all.


Title: Re: King Juan Carlos abdicates
Post by: Countess of Holland on June 07, 2014, 03:12:56 pm
If she's intent on being a "9-5 Queen," I think she's setting herself up for failure and setting herself up for a tremendous amount of unpopularity. Look at how WK are being flamed more and more and more as thye keep making it clear that they want to 'live normally' and be working royals on their terms.

You're right KF - keep 'em pregnant and barefoot!
Seriously -

You don't marry into an RF to be an independent woman; the whole point of being a consort is to prop up the husband's ego and make appearances and look pretty.

But supporting your husband doesn't mean you have to be joined at the hip. Her husband can't be everywhere all the time, neither can she, but if they divide the work, she can be his eyes and ears and inform him of things she has heard or seen during her own visits, meetings, discussions etc. And these meetings can be on an international stage as well.



Title: Re: King Juan Carlos abdicates
Post by: Sidney on June 08, 2014, 12:49:55 pm
2. His empathy won't help matters. Having him say "I feel so much for our young people" is not going to solve the problem. Spain needs facts, not words. Unfortunately, shallow words are the only thing these people have to offer. I still remember the last time he addressed this issue in public. "Education is the key to finding a good job". That comes to show just how out of touch with reality this man is. He still thinks that the reason why so many young people are unemployed is because they dropped out of school (which is what happened... 15 years ago). My God...

You realise that as a King (or Crown Prince) he has absolutely no power right? What can he do but show empathy and support the people in any way he can? He is not entitled to lower taxes, raise benefits, give out subsidies to create jobs etc. That is all the government and parliament.
Essentially the role of a King or Queen in a parliamentary monrachy is, in the words of Bagehot; the right to be consulted, the right to encourage and the right to warn. And within those restrictions, what else can a King, any King (or ceremonial president for that matter), do but to travel through out the country, talk to people, to local politicians and return to the capital with his impressions and inform the government-members who are in charge?



That's the thing, Countess of Holland. If the only thing they can do is travel the country, cut ribbons and look good in pictures, what's the point in having them? The likes of David Beckham can do that, too (and he looks much better than Felipe).


Title: Re: King Juan Carlos abdicates
Post by: Sidney on June 08, 2014, 01:39:29 pm


Thing is, that with women like Letizia, they make the huge mistake of trying to replicate a 'normal' unaccountable life rather than one dedicated to duty and showing basic respect for herself. She looks miserable at his side, with him aging prematurely and looking more and more sour. She sounds like she already looks down on being Queen of Spain and is impatient to ditch her husband and end up seeing the world on Spain's dime and acting like Rania, who has been blasted for her jet set lifestyle.

[...]

Letizia strikes me as someone who is killing time, itching to get her hands on the crown, then use her status as a calling card and get on UN committees and spend most of her time in meetings and speeches and award ceremonies, with her kids with the nannies and her husband in a cold bed. Apparently you can tell that she's interested only in doing her basics in regards to kids (two) and uninterested in even pretending to be a dutiful wife (Felipe does not look like a happy man).


I agree. However, I must say that I do understand the pressure she seems to be under. Letizia strikes me as a free spirit who is not made for conventional life (marriage, kids, family life...). I think she's the kind of independent woman who wants to be free and can't take the burden that comes with the married-with-kids kind of life. I think that's the kind of woman she was before she met Felipe (and that's perfectly fine; not every woman wants to get married, have kids and settle for a conventional life). I think she feels trapped in the role she's playing. She sure loves her kids (she's not a monster) but I think the "wife-mommy-queen" kind of life is not something that sits well with her. I agree with you that she does look miserable.


Title: Re: King Juan Carlos abdicates
Post by: Sidney on June 08, 2014, 01:54:27 pm


I see nothing in any of the links you posted that show a naked crotch or backside, her jumpers show nothing other than a bra.  I have also seen many photos, freely available on the internet, of wasty´s very uneven teeth before she had dental work done to them.   I would say there is a big difference between Princess Letizia and wasty, and PL wins hands down every time.  Wasty just has not got a clue.  Princess Letizia is not the perfect princess, but she is miles ahead of wasty. 

If Kate was the one doing the things you've seen in these pictures she would be mercilessly lambasted. If her bra showed like that she would be blasted big time. There's nothing wrong with having uneven teeth. I would choose that over sporting black, rotten teeth when you're a public figure whose only is smiling for the cameras. I can't see why Letizia wins hands down but hey, to each their own.


Title: Re: King Juan Carlos abdicates
Post by: Fly on the wall on June 08, 2014, 04:37:01 pm
'I didn't want my son to grow old waiting like Prince Charles': King Juan Carlos of Spain reveals why he decided to abdicate

Spain's King Juan Carlos told his staff he decided to abdicate because: 'I do not want my son to wither waiting like Prince Charles', it was reported today.
The 76-year-old monarch is believed to have told Rafael Spottorno, chief of the royal household, that he wanted Crown Prince Felipe, 46, to be on the throne while he was still in his young.
'He saw, above all, that his son was in his prime and didn't want to see him like Prince Charles who will be 66 years old in November,' Mr Spottorno is quoted as saying.


http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2652058/I-didnt-want-son-grow-old-waiting-like-Prince-Charles-King-Juan-Carlos-Spain-reveals-decided-abdicate.html


Title: Re: King Juan Carlos abdicates
Post by: Countess of Holland on June 08, 2014, 04:57:24 pm
William second in line and Harry third in line? Really Daily Fail???


Title: Re: King Juan Carlos abdicates
Post by: gingerboy24 on June 08, 2014, 06:39:50 pm


I see nothing in any of the links you posted that show a naked crotch or backside, her jumpers show nothing other than a bra.  I have also seen many photos, freely available on the internet, of wasty´s very uneven teeth before she had dental work done to them.   I would say there is a big difference between Princess Letizia and wasty, and PL wins hands down every time.  Wasty just has not got a clue.  Princess Letizia is not the perfect princess, but she is miles ahead of wasty. 

If Kate was the one doing the things you've seen in these pictures she would be mercilessly lambasted. If her bra showed like that she would be blasted big time. There's nothing wrong with having uneven teeth. I would choose that over sporting black, rotten teeth when you're a public figure whose only is smiling for the cameras. I can't see why Letizia wins hands down but hey, to each their own.

Why do you want to attack people who like Princess Letizia.  What has she done to you that makes you so angry.  If anything wasty did was as mild as the photos of Princess Letizia I think the people of the UK would be more than happy.      If wasty liked her uneven teeth then I am sure she would not have gone through the process to have them evened out, it was her choice, nobody forced her.  Not sure how you see rotten teeth on Princess Letizia, but hey, each to their own as you so rightly said.  I see nothing in any of the photos you posted to create such anger in you, but obviously they do.  And yes, in my opinion Princess Letizia and wasty are not even in the same league, PL still wins hands down.  Would swap you wasty for Princess Letizia any day of the week.  All entitled to our opinions, as you said, and we have to agree to differ on this one.


Title: Re: King Juan Carlos abdicates
Post by: Nighthawk on June 08, 2014, 07:21:21 pm
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http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2652058/I-didnt-want-son-grow-old-waiting-like-Prince-Charles-King-Juan-Carlos-Spain-reveals-decided-abdicate.html
what a great excuse to use for the King to abandon the throne just slam the BRF to make yourself look and feel better


Title: Re: King Juan Carlos abdicates
Post by: Sidney on June 08, 2014, 07:53:15 pm

Why do you want to attack people who like Princess Letizia.  What has she done to you that makes you so angry. 

The same Kate seems to have done to you to *despise* her so much. And if stating the obvious and supporting it with evidence is attacking Letizia fans, so be it. 

If anything wasty did was as mild as the photos of Princess Letizia I think the people of the UK would be more than happy.      If wasty liked her uneven teeth then I am sure she would not have gone through the process to have them evened out, it was her choice, nobody forced her.  Not sure how you see rotten teeth on Princess Letizia, but hey, each to their own as you so rightly said. I see nothing in any of the photos you posted to create such anger in you, but obviously they do.  And yes, in my opinion Princess Letizia and wasty are not even in the same league, PL still wins hands down.  Would swap you wasty for Princess Letizia any day of the week.  All entitled to our opinions, as you said, and we have to agree to differ on this one.

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What's the problem with someone having their uneven teeth fixed? Who's saying she was forced? Unlike Letizia, whose main hobby seems to be going under the knife, Kate doesn't seem to be obsessed with plastic surgery (not that she needs it, she's a good looking woman). As for Letizia's rotten teeth, the pics speak for themselves. Thank God she had the problem fixed after her second daughter was born because it was really gross. Not that I care much about Kate but I don't think she's worse than Letizia. Books about abortions written by a cousin, relatives accused of fraudulent conveyance, sisters who take each and every single newspaper, magazine and TV station in Spain to court, portraits of her posing topless for a CD cover... What Kate has done (silly and embarrassing wardrobe malfunctions) IS mild compared to all this. IMHO, of course.

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http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2652058/I-didnt-want-son-grow-old-waiting-like-Prince-Charles-King-Juan-Carlos-Spain-reveals-decided-abdicate.html
what a great excuse to use for the King to abandon the throne just slam the BRF to make yourself look and feel better

Well, he actually didn't say that. It's one of those they-told-me-he-said situations.


Title: Re: King Juan Carlos abdicates
Post by: Nighthawk on June 08, 2014, 07:57:38 pm
:thumbsup: nicely put Sidney ...well said  :flower:



Title: Re: King Juan Carlos abdicates
Post by: gingerboy24 on June 08, 2014, 10:41:56 pm

Why do you want to attack people who like Princess Letizia.  What has she done to you that makes you so angry.

The same Kate seems to have done to you to *despise* her so much. And if stating the obvious and supporting it with evidence is attacking Letizia fans, so be it.  

If anything wasty did was as mild as the photos of Princess Letizia I think the people of the UK would be more than happy.      If wasty liked her uneven teeth then I am sure she would not have gone through the process to have them evened out, it was her choice, nobody forced her.  Not sure how you see rotten teeth on Princess Letizia, but hey, each to their own as you so rightly said. I see nothing in any of the photos you posted to create such anger in you, but obviously they do.  And yes, in my opinion Princess Letizia and wasty are not even in the same league, PL still wins hands down.  Would swap you wasty for Princess Letizia any day of the week.  All entitled to our opinions, as you said, and we have to agree to differ on this one.


From @ Sidney  What's the problem with someone having their uneven teeth fixed? Who's saying she was forced? Unlike Letizia, whose main hobby seems to be going under the knife, Kate doesn't seem to be obsessed with plastic surgery (not that she needs it, she's a good looking woman). As for Letizia's rotten teeth, the pics speak for themselves. Thank God she had the problem fixed after her second daughter was born because it was really gross. Not that I care much about Kate but I don't think she's worse than Letizia. Books about abortions written by a cousin, relatives accused of fraudulent conveyance, sisters who take each and every single newspaper, magazine and TV station in Spain to court, portraits of her posing topless for a CD cover... What Kate has done (silly and embarrassing wardrobe malfunctions) IS mild compared to all this. IMHO, of course.
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IMHO opinion, of course, wasty´s malfunctions are hardly mild and embarrassing wardrobe malfunctions. Flashing your infected crotch at the world, showing your butt to the world, on numerous occasions, I do not consider to be wardrobe malfunctions.   More like Marilyn moments that she would appear to enjoy. I do not understand your anger and hatred towards Princess Letizia, or why you might want to grind her into the gutter, but it would appear to eat you up to the point of losing all reason.  IMHO that is very sad.  It is impossible to have a discusion with such anger jpresent, so over and out on this one, I refuse to be drawn into a pointless discussion on how to make wasty look good at the expense of Princess Letizia.  I still say Princess Letizia is a Ferrari compared to wasty´s Skoda, every time.

For the record, I do not *intensely dislike* wasty, I *intensely dislike* her, IMHO, totally unaccepable public behaviour.


Title: Re: King Juan Carlos abdicates
Post by: Sidney on June 08, 2014, 11:16:07 pm


IMHO opinion, of course, wasty´s malfunctions are hardly mild and embarrassing wardrobe malfunctions. Flashing your infected crotch at the world, showing your butt to the world, on numerous occasions, I do not consider to be wardrobe malfunctions.   More like Marilyn moments that she would appear to enjoy. I do not understand your anger and hatred towards Princess Letizia, or why you might want to grind her into the gutter, but it would appear to eat you up to the point of losing all reason. IMHO that is very sad.  It is impossible to have a discusion with such anger jpresent, so over and out on this one, I refuse to be drawn into a pointless discussion on how to make wasty look good at the expense of Princess Letizia.  I still say Princess Letizia is a Ferrari compared to wasty´s Skoda, every time.

This thread is about the Spanish Royal Family, which includes Letizia. You like her and think she's perfect. Good. You are entitled to your opinion. Likewise, I am entitled to my own opinion and my opinion about her happens to be negative, hence the negative comments. As far as I can tell, you dislike Kate Middleton as much as I dislike Letizia but you seem to think that you're the only one who can be vocal about likes and dislikes. It's funny that you talk about "anger and hatred" towards one person since you are the one doing the name-calling here. Wasty this, Wasty that. I don't even want to imagine what you would say about the anger issues you've diagnosed me with if I did the same with Letizia. You say you don't understand my wanting to grind Letizia into the gutter and then you go and try to grind Kate into that very same gutter talking about her infected crotch (do you happen to be her gynecologist to know about such an intimate matter?) in a thread about LETIZIA. And I'm the one with *despise* issues!


Title: Re: King Juan Carlos abdicates
Post by: Nighthawk on June 09, 2014, 12:02:40 pm
King’s abdication boosts Spanish support for monarchy
http://www.ft.com/cms/s/0/1a9edf00-efab-11e3-bee7-00144feabdc0.html#axzz348fCgmLk
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he abdication of King Juan Carlos has bolstered public support for the monarchy in Spain, with polls showing that both the ageing monarch and Crown Prince Felipe received a marked boost in their popular ratings.

More than 76 per cent of Spaniards said they supported the monarch’s decision to hand the crown to his son, according to a poll published in the El Mundo daily on Monday. Asked whether they wanted Spain to remain a constitutional monarchy, more than 55 per cent said Yes – up sharply from an all-time low at the beginning of the year, when less than half of respondents backed the current system. High quality global journalism requires investment. Please share this article with others using the link below, do not cut & paste the article. See our Ts&Cs and Copyright Policy for more detail. Email ftsales.support@ft.com to buy additional rights. http://www.ft.com/cms/s/0/1a9edf00-efab-11e3-bee7-00144feabdc0.html#ixzz348fXLYPv

Almost two-thirds said they had a good or very good opinion of Juan Carlos, up from just 41 per cent in January. Some 77 per cent said they had a good or very good opinion of his son, who will reign as Felipe VI.


Title: Re: King Juan Carlos abdicates
Post by: Kuei Fei on June 10, 2014, 09:50:55 pm
Thing is, that with women like Letizia, they make the huge mistake of trying to replicate a 'normal' unaccountable life rather than one dedicated to duty and showing basic respect for herself. She looks miserable at his side, with him aging prematurely and looking more and more sour. She sounds like she already looks down on being Queen of Spain and is impatient to ditch her husband and end up seeing the world on Spain's dime and acting like Rania, who has been blasted for her jet set lifestyle.

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Letizia strikes me as someone who is killing time, itching to get her hands on the crown, then use her status as a calling card and get on UN committees and spend most of her time in meetings and speeches and award ceremonies, with her kids with the nannies and her husband in a cold bed. Apparently you can tell that she's interested only in doing her basics in regards to kids (two) and uninterested in even pretending to be a dutiful wife (Felipe does not look like a happy man).
I agree. However, I must say that I do understand the pressure she seems to be under. Letizia strikes me as a free spirit who is not made for conventional life (marriage, kids, family life...). I think she's the kind of independent woman who wants to be free and can't take the burden that comes with the married-with-kids kind of life. I think that's the kind of woman she was before she met Felipe (and that's perfectly fine; not every woman wants to get married, have kids and settle for a conventional life). I think she feels trapped in the role she's playing. She sure loves her kids (she's not a monster) but I think the "wife-mommy-queen" kind of life is not something that sits well with her. I agree with you that she does look miserable.

What really galls me, is how she is somehow supposed to be a sympathetic figure, when in fact she has a drop dead gorgeous husband, a husband who is a prince who fought for her, who will be king, who has two healthy kids, is about to become Queen of Spain;

BUT

She apparently has a habit of going under the knife slicing away at the features that attracted her husband in the first place, looks impatient to get away from her husband, and is shrinking badly as each year goes by. Thing is, she has no reason feeling miserable, much less looking miserable.

I am sick of the 'poor little rich girl' act that Letizia (and by some degrees Kate) has going and I am sick of seeing how Letizia let it go so far as Felipe fought for her (he threatening to abdicate) and now she's looking like she's itching to bolt from Zarzuela the minute she gets the chance.

Most women would KILL to have all that going for them in their lives and would DIE to have Felipe for a husband, but this selfish ingrate doesn't think she has enough. If I were in Leti's position I would be grinning and smiling like Kate in a shopping mall; you wouldn't see me going under the knife or looking emaciated.

As for Felipe, I wouldn't be having just one or two children, I'd be having them by the handful if I could. I wouldn't be moping and loafing around and looking miserable. If she's so independent and so amazingly dynamic, why isn't the woman making more of her role or why bother marrying Felipe in the first place?


Title: Re: King Juan Carlos abdicates
Post by: Sidney on June 10, 2014, 11:31:03 pm

I am sick of the 'poor little rich girl' act that Letizia (and by some degrees Kate) has going and I am sick of seeing how Letizia let it go so far as Felipe fought for her (he threatening to abdicate) and now she's looking like she's itching to bolt from Zarzuela the minute she gets the chance.

Most women would KILL to have all that going for them in their lives and would DIE to have Felipe for a husband, but this selfish ingrate doesn't think she has enough. If I were in Leti's position I would be grinning and smiling like Kate in a shopping mall; you wouldn't see me going under the knife or looking emaciated.


I don't know, Kuei Fei. The lives these people live strike me as anything but idyllic (from a 21st-century young woman's point of view). I remember watching the news when William and Kate got married and they had this kind of news correspondent asking women on the street if they would like to be in Kate's shoes. Almost all of them answered 'no' to that question. I remember another journalist saying "He's given Kate a job for life that most women in the UK just would not want". I think women today value their freedom and independence way too much to be willing to sign themselves up for a life under the microscope.

I know some women who say they would be happy as a clam if they were in Letizia's, Kate's or any of these women's shoes. They say they have no right to complain because they have everything a woman could want. Well, I'm not so sure. Look what this kind of life did to Diana, Sarah, Masako... I think Letizia was happier as an independent woman who had a job she loved than she is being a royal. As for having a handsome husband... well, looks aren't everything. John Kennedy was smoking hot (IMO), rich and powerful and Jackie's life with him was miserable according to what we know today. I don't consider Felipe to be handsome. He has aged horrendously.


Title: Re: King Juan Carlos abdicates
Post by: Kuei Fei on June 11, 2014, 12:05:27 am
Felipe has aged considerably since the marriage.

As for Letizia, if she didn't like the life or something, why didn't she just walk away from any relationship?

She isn't titled or some naive nineteen year old and second, by all accounts the Spanish court would have gladly seen her off and even helped her make the break. So what made her go for the ring in the first place?

Like anyone with an internet connection and literacy she would know that the life of a princess is stifling. So why bother?

Why make Felipe go through all that drama just to be able to marry her and now look like an underfed sad sack?


Title: Re: King Juan Carlos abdicates
Post by: danifaul on June 11, 2014, 12:57:24 am
I'm late...  :tehe: surprised by this news!  :o

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http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2652058/I-didnt-want-son-grow-old-waiting-like-Prince-Charles-King-Juan-Carlos-Spain-reveals-decided-abdicate.html
what a great excuse to use for the King to abandon the throne just slam the BRF to make yourself look and feel better
yes . believe are the main reasons: bad health and scandals, but

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King Juan Carlos had been considering the decision since his 75th birthday in January 2013, his chief of staff admitted, and that he had discussed it at length with those in his inner circle.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/europe/spain/10884681/King-Juan-Carlos-I-dont-want-my-son-to-grow-old-waiting-like-Prince-Charles.html
is a point: 'I don't want my son to grow old waiting like Prince Charles'
I think  :flower: better abdicate (as happened in the Netherlands), than wait for death.
better for all (the people  - monarchy -monarch and the heir)


Title: Re: King Juan Carlos abdicates
Post by: Rock n royal on June 11, 2014, 01:50:40 pm
Spanish lawmakers vote through royal succession rules.

https://uk.news.yahoo.com/spanish-lawmakers-vote-royal-succession-rules-120512644.html#pUnF6HK


Title: Re: King Juan Carlos abdicates
Post by: Nighthawk on June 12, 2014, 01:52:33 am
Royalists fury at austere low-key ceremony for Prince Felipe's coronation (and so austere his own father might not even attend)

   
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Crown Prince Felipe, 46, is due to be enthroned as King of Spain on June 19
    The coronation will be a low-key secular affair in front of Spanish politicians
    His father King Juan Carlos said he might not even attend the ceremony
    King-in-waiting wants an austere event amid the country's economic crisis
    Staunch royalists say a low-key event is a wasted PR chance for the country
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2655206/King-waiting-Prince-Felipe-crowned-austere-low-key-ceremony-father-not-attend.html


Title: Re: King Juan Carlos abdicates
Post by: benign on June 21, 2014, 01:55:07 am
question, are they going to change the Succession law and make Leonore the future Queen? Or they wont and let Felipe rule for a number of years but will abdicate after that, and there wont be any RF after this.




Title: Re: King Juan Carlos abdicates
Post by: Alexandrine on June 21, 2014, 02:22:16 am
Leonor can be queen. But if there is a younger brother then he would be king. Its like in Monaco.


Title: Re: King Juan Carlos abdicates
Post by: Rosella on June 21, 2014, 03:15:01 am
I don't think there are any plans in place for Felipe to reign for a while then abdicate. I don't believe JC would have abdicated if he was in good health and there were no scandals.

Leonore's in the same situation HM was in as heir to the throne. If a younger brother had been born Elizabeth would have been second in line to him. I don't think Letizia will have any more children, so the succession laws will probably be changed in the future. As for the future of the Royal Family, that's in the hands of the Spanish people.


Title: Re: King Juan Carlos abdicates
Post by: Kuei Fei on June 24, 2014, 10:11:57 am
I wonder why Letizia didn't have more children.


Title: Re: King Juan Carlos abdicates
Post by: Countess of Holland on June 24, 2014, 10:22:23 am
It has been said that this was kind of a 'deal' with the politicians because a third pregnancy ending up in the birth of a boy would have caused some problems in a way that on the one hand many people in Spain would think it is ridiculous that a girl only takes precendence behind a brother (as is the law in Spain at the moment) but the politicians didn't want to spend time and efforts into changing the law, especially since the conservative Partido Popular (of Aznar and Roya) isn't a fan of such a change.

This is also why the couple revealed that Sofia was a girl during the pregnancy as to tell politicians they didn't have to change the law because the second one was also a girl.

Furthermore, a third child would also mean more expenses and in a time when most Spanish people had/ have to cut the budget and many couples even postpone having a child (or a second one), having a third child would have been 'undiplomatic'.


Title: Re: King Juan Carlos abdicates
Post by: Rosella on June 24, 2014, 11:26:49 am
Letizia is very petite isn't she, and she did have two ceasarians. Perhaps she was advised not to have any more by her obstetrician.


Title: Re: King Juan Carlos abdicates
Post by: Countess of Holland on June 24, 2014, 12:32:02 pm
Could be, but the first ceasarian was done because Leonor was too early IIRC and not so much because Letizia was too petite. But perhaps these things are related...I am no OB/GYN.


Title: Re: King Juan Carlos abdicates
Post by: Alexandrine on June 27, 2014, 12:11:54 am
I wonder why Letizia didn't have more children.

Mainly very difficult pregnancies.

Felipe said he wanted between 3 and 5 children.

In any case there are rumours about IVF.


Title: Re: King Juan Carlos abdicates
Post by: Countess of Holland on June 27, 2014, 02:16:33 pm
That would highly surprise me.

The couple married in May 2004 and less than 18 months later Leonor was born. So within a year of their marriage, she was pregnant. And considering that almost 50% of IVF-attempts aren't succesful the first time around, it could mean that the couple travelled almost straight from the altar to an IVF-clinic.
Now if there had been a couple of years between the marriage and the birth of the girls, the rumors might have had some legitimacy. But in this case, I sincerely doubt it.

But I guess we can at least be glad that Letizia isn't accused of using a surrogate. I guess she was just too obviously pregnant for that rumor to catch on.


Title: Re: King Juan Carlos abdicates
Post by: Alexandrine on June 27, 2014, 05:40:45 pm
^ sorry to disappoint you but that theory also exists.  :tehe:

IMO she used ivf because they already knew she would have problems to have kids.

In any case I believe that most princesses of this gen had some kind of help to get pregnant.



Title: Re: King Juan Carlos abdicates
Post by: Countess of Holland on June 27, 2014, 06:02:25 pm
Wow...you are cynical. But you are free to have your own opinions. I don't think women like Maxima, Mathilde or Mary had IVF treatment. Mette-Marit...that could be. Drugs can cause havoc on your body and organs and even your fertility.


Title: Re: King Juan Carlos abdicates
Post by: Alexandrine on June 27, 2014, 06:05:28 pm
There was a rumour from Belgium that Mathilde had all her kids through ivf because the husband is gay!  :tehe:

I believe Mary had help for the twins like Charlene. 

Mette had already a kid while she was an user and didn't had problems so who knows.


Title: Re: King Juan Carlos abdicates
Post by: Countess of Holland on June 27, 2014, 07:11:14 pm
But gays can do the deed...

As for Mary; I don't now. I got the feeling that the pregnancy was very unexpected for the couple. And twins happen more often with 'elderly' mothers. I have several friends and relatives who got spontaneoulsy pregnant with twins and they were all 'elder' mothers; being 35 or older when pregnant.
One friend called it 'a going out of business-sale' of her ovaries. :laugh:


Title: Re: King Juan Carlos abdicates
Post by: cate1949 on June 27, 2014, 09:16:32 pm
yea she is one evil lady that letizia - got a nose job which she publically admitted to - devious that was - got her teeth fixed - whoa - now that is heinous - LOL -


Title: Re: King Juan Carlos abdicates
Post by: Countess of Holland on June 28, 2014, 10:20:58 am
LOL. I know...very devious indeed. BTW I always understood that her nose-job was for health reasons. Something to do with sleep apneu IIRC. Which is quite a serious condition so when you can fix it...fix it.

As for fixing the teeth..when did she do this? Never heard of it before. Most have been done before her job as anchor of the TVE news. And frankly, if I got a job and as a result be so visible to the public, I would also want to look my best and fix that one crooked upper-left eyetooth as well. Now, I don't bother because I won't be on tv every single day and since I am a private person, my face won't show up at the cover of a magazine on a regular basis.


Title: Re: King Juan Carlos abdicates
Post by: partygirl on June 29, 2014, 06:18:19 am
If Letizia used IVF, she probably would have wanted a boy, in 2005, the technology for gender selection was already quite mature. Leonor was not even 1 year old when her 2nd pregnancy was announced, no doctor would do an IVF so close to the birthday of a child.