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Title: Will Andrew and Fergie ever go back together?
Post by: Alexandrine on May 14, 2013, 10:18:45 pm
As this question has appeared in many threads, we should start a thread for it.

However, my opinion is no.

Fergie was a mess during the marriage and she hasn't changed at all. Also I doubt Andrew has forgiven her for making him look like  a fool with the toe sucking photos.  :sigh:


Title: Re: Will Andrew and Fergie ever go back together?
Post by: Snokitty on May 14, 2013, 10:47:47 pm
Andrew is pretty good at making himself look like a fool.  :tehe:

Whether they remarry or not because of PP doesn't matter to them I suppose considering that they have been living together for years and were parenting as a couple.


Title: Re: Will Andrew and Fergie ever go back together?
Post by: serene grace on May 14, 2013, 11:15:24 pm
If it were just Andrew deciding the issue, Yes. I do think he might want to make her his wife again after PP is gone.


Title: Re: Will Andrew and Fergie ever go back together?
Post by: Alexandrine on May 14, 2013, 11:22:08 pm
I don't see any love lost for Fergie in Andrew. I believe he let her live with him because in that way he would have access to his children. According to the Starkey book Fergie after the separation didn't make it easy for him to see his children.

If it hadn't been for the photos and the rest of things Fergie did maybe they would still be married although living separated lives.


Title: Re: Will Andrew and Fergie ever go back together?
Post by: Kuei Fei on May 14, 2013, 11:32:08 pm
Fergie is the type of person who has always wanted to do things her way and 'be herself.' She's never made adjustments for anyone and demanded that others make them for her. Before her marriage she would drift around and do odd jobs, but never stuck with anything substantial and that alone tells me that she doesn't deserve to get back into that family. While she was married she had EVERYTHING going for her, but completely ruined herself and her husband in the process. She complained about how Andrew was away all the time, used it as an excuse to end up running around the planet racking up endless debt and getting into bed with quite a few men (rumor only) and had the insanity to have over for  dinner and Iraqi minister right before the UK was about to go to war against the regime.

She never has gotten it together since and never will. With all the millions she's made, she's saved nothing and is in a mess yet again. To my knowledge Andrew was never unfaithful, but she never returned the decency. She had a lot of privileges Diana never had and go figure, blew it all the more. She then drags her daughters to every singel VIP celebrity party and I don't think that would end if she remarried Andrew, it might only get worse. As for living with Andrew, the girls are no longer kids who can be moved around on her whim, so why not throw her lazy arse out?


Title: Re: Will Andrew and Fergie ever go back together?
Post by: RoyalWatcher on May 15, 2013, 12:08:03 am
I hope so....they seem to be a good team together.  Look at their girls:  both professional women, with an actual job that is NOT funded by taxpayers. 

I've never understood the hatred that was shown to Sarah about the "toe sucking" incident.  Her and Andrew were ALREADY LEGALLY separated.  I do believe that had the Queen stepped in and gave Sarah her support in the matter publicly, it would have been a non-issue as it should have been. 

IMO, if the Queen can be seen embracing the adulteress Camilla, and didn't force her heir to surrender his place in line when he wanted marriage, she could come out and positively endorse Sarah.




Title: Re: Will Andrew and Fergie ever go back together?
Post by: Snokitty on May 15, 2013, 12:15:01 am
I don't see any love lost for Fergie in Andrew. I believe he let her live with him because in that way he would have access to his children. According to the Starkey book Fergie after the separation didn't make it easy for him to see his children.

If it hadn't been for the photos and the rest of things Fergie did maybe they would still be married although living separated lives.


What is stopping him from having access now that the girls are grown?

^ I have never understood the hatred for Sarah.   :dontknow:  She screws up a lot but hurts herself more than anyone else.


Title: Re: Will Andrew and Fergie ever go back together?
Post by: Cressida on May 15, 2013, 07:45:39 am
They are both as bad as each other. That's all I'm saying!


Title: Re: Will Andrew and Fergie ever go back together?
Post by: Freya on May 15, 2013, 08:07:17 am
^
I have never understood the hatred for Sarah either. Her misdemeanors seem minor in comparision to others and like Snokitty says they only effect her not others. Was she on a private holiday when the toe sucking photo's were taken?

Irrespective of whether Andrew and Sarah get back together I hope that she is not blanked forever by the RF. It must be difficult for the girls especially if they marry. Fergie will go to her own daughters weddings so that could be tricky. Would not want to be Bea and have to please everyone.


Title: Re: Will Andrew and Fergie ever go back together?
Post by: Kuei Fei on May 15, 2013, 08:56:18 am
^Sarah had her chance and blew it.

I hope so....they seem to be a good team together.  Look at their girls:  both professional women, with an actual job that is NOT funded by taxpayers. 

I've never understood the hatred that was shown to Sarah about the "toe sucking" incident.  Her and Andrew were ALREADY LEGALLY separated.  I do believe that had the Queen stepped in and gave Sarah her support in the matter publicly, it would have been a non-issue as it should have been.

She did it in front of her kids. They were right there.


Title: Re: Will Andrew and Fergie ever go back together?
Post by: mysha on May 15, 2013, 10:07:41 am
Sarah got posh after the engagement. Such a nutty loose cannon BUT
Andrew nor Sarah sued photographers for the toe sucking
She tried to sort out her bank balance
She did not break a marriage by being a mistress to the heir to the throne

They might be together on the hush , how would we know. For the sake of PP, they are not together
They live together don't they ?
What is not to say that behind closed door, they are like a married couple and no need to declare it publicly nor re marry again


Title: Re: Will Andrew and Fergie ever go back together?
Post by: Jane23 on May 15, 2013, 10:51:33 am
Did they ever break up?  8)


Title: Re: Will Andrew and Fergie ever go back together?
Post by: Snokitty on May 15, 2013, 11:58:53 am
^Sarah had her chance and blew it.

I hope so....they seem to be a good team together.  Look at their girls:  both professional women, with an actual job that is NOT funded by taxpayers. 

I've never understood the hatred that was shown to Sarah about the "toe sucking" incident.  Her and Andrew were ALREADY LEGALLY separated.  I do believe that had the Queen stepped in and gave Sarah her support in the matter publicly, it would have been a non-issue as it should have been.

She did it in front of her kids. They were right there.

Those girls were so young and were playing so Sarah did not scar them for life. If Sarah's mistakes should be held against her for the rest of her life then the rest of the royals should receive the same fate for their mistakes and they all have them.

It is how they were with Diana, Charles caused all the problems but it was all Diana's fault because she wasn't born into the family. I am sure Andrew made some mistakes in the marriage also it did not collapse because of one incident with a toe sucking. If PP had been as hard on Charles as he was on Sarah then things might have been different.


Title: Re: Will Andrew and Fergie ever go back together?
Post by: Alexandrine on May 15, 2013, 01:04:15 pm
Did they ever break up?  8)

way before it was public. Sarah wanted to marry an american guy while still married to Andrew but he didn't have enough money to pay for her lifestyle so she was supposed to wait until he got the money by working. But she started dating one of his friends while he was in US.

Andrew is rumoured to have dated Goga whose son is also rumoured to be Andrew's.

Others

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Later, Andrew moved into Royal Lodge, the late Queen Mother’s residence in Windsor Great Park, where he continued to live with his former wife and their daughters, Princess Beatrice, 22, and Princess Eugenie, 21. However, this has not put a crimp into Andrew’s sybaritic style. He’s been rumored to be romantically linked to more than a dozen women, including the American actress Angie Everhart and Amanda Staveley, a successful private-equity specialist to whom he proposed marriage.

http://www.vanityfair.com/society/features/2011/08/prince-andrew-201108

If it wasn't for Sarah being there maybe he should have remarried. On the other hand having Sarah let's him play without having to take the relationship seriously.



Title: Re: Will Andrew and Fergie ever go back together?
Post by: serene grace on May 15, 2013, 01:28:52 pm
I don't think she wanted marriage with anyone except Andrew(and PRIOR to Andrew w the wealthy British man she lived with before Andrew, who told her he didn't want marriage and let her go when Andrew came calling, basically telling her, he didn't want marriage and she had the best thing coming into her life, Prince Andrew)  imo the other men DURING her marriage were flirtations or affairs, not meant to go anywhere. I think she just "Stupidly" thought she could have it all because she was married to a Prince and the Palace would not want a divorce(even if the Courtier's detested her, she probably thought divorce wouldn't be an option at first.) IMO
 In the early days of her flirtations with Americans, she probably thought she'd dip her toe in and run back to Andrew, but the Palace had other ideas(She was to be called out publicly and banished, sent packing.) I think she thought she could have American rich pals and men to hang with and flirtations on the side and stay married to the Prince too, but the Palace wasn't having it and said ENOUGH.  :bat:



Title: Re: Will Andrew and Fergie ever go back together?
Post by: Cressida on May 15, 2013, 02:29:05 pm
Both of them were wildly promiscuous before marriage and who is to say that ceased after they married? They are two of a kind in many ways. The only difference is that Sarah got caught and slated for it whereas he was and is protected.


Title: Re: Will Andrew and Fergie ever go back together?
Post by: serene grace on May 15, 2013, 09:29:53 pm
I know the press gave him the nickname "Randy Andy" but I've never known Andrew to have had that many girlfriends prior to Sarah, besides Koo Stark, maybe one other girl? (Maybe he was dating a lot? ) :tehe:
Sarah lived with Paddy McNally, not sure who else she dated ?

Catherine Oxenberg said he asked her out and proposed to her on the night of the royal wedding I think(Charles and Diana's wedding) I forget all the details.

I always wondered why Catherine Oxenberg didn't take him up on it? Her mother was a Princess, it would have perhaps been a good match for Randy Andy.


Title: Re: Will Andrew and Fergie ever go back together?
Post by: Kuei Fei on May 15, 2013, 09:47:53 pm
Maybe Catherine didn't want to end up in that mess of a family; the Brits are so insular that a foreign princess would have ended up being only one of two things:

A) A sensation and because she looked so much like Diana, it would have ended up being the most glamorous and classy duo on the map

B) She would have been a constant target in the press and ended up being chronically compared to Diana and it would have been pointed out how she had failed one way or another and ended up a mess no matter how many duties she did or how much she did for the nation/charity

The BRF is also a family that treats 'outsiders' with disdain and ended up being a miserable person, treated as an outsider by a family that should have welcomed her.


Title: Re: Will Andrew and Fergie ever go back together?
Post by: Cressida on May 15, 2013, 10:43:11 pm
I know the press gave him the nickname "Randy Andy" but I've never known Andrew to have had that many girlfriends prior to Sarah, besides Koo Stark, maybe one other girl? (Maybe he was dating a lot? ) :tehe:
Sarah lived with Paddy McNally, not sure who else she dated ?

Catherine Oxenberg said he asked her out and proposed to her on the night of the royal wedding I think(Charles and Diana's wedding) I forget all the details.

I always wondered why Catherine Oxenberg didn't take him up on it? Her mother was a Princess, it would have perhaps been a good match for Randy Andy.

Without wanting to cause too much trouble, both of them were known for their 'interesting' private lives within the circle. I suspect neither of them has changed all that much.


Title: Re: Will Andrew and Fergie ever go back together?
Post by: mysha on May 15, 2013, 10:57:36 pm
Interesting ? I am scared to ask ? if swapping comes into I am going to give up on the whole RF


Title: Re: Will Andrew and Fergie ever go back together?
Post by: Snokitty on May 16, 2013, 01:41:35 am
Andrew probably ask Catherine because he had been drinking and had just attended a very public and happy wedding. I don't think he was serious about her.


Title: Re: Will Andrew and Fergie ever go back together?
Post by: CathyJane on May 16, 2013, 03:27:04 am
Interesting ? I am scared to ask ? if swapping comes into I am going to give up on the whole RF

Not swapping but, Charles and APB bedded Cammie, APB was supposedly Anne's first lover.  :shy:


Title: Re: Will Andrew and Fergie ever go back together?
Post by: serene grace on May 16, 2013, 02:12:41 pm
Maybe Catherine didn't want to end up in that mess of a family; the Brits are so insular that a foreign princess would have ended up being only one of two things:

A) A sensation and because she looked so much like Diana, it would have ended up being the most glamorous and classy duo on the map

B) She would have been a constant target in the press and ended up being chronically compared to Diana
The BRF is also a family that treats 'outsiders' with disdain and ended up being a miserable person, treated as an outsider by a family that should have welcomed her.

I agree.
It's too bad it wasn't acted on as a more serious matter. She could have been good for Andrew perhaps, in the long run, if sparks flew between them, but alas they didn't.
Still I've always wondered what might have happened if she and Andrew ended up together?  ???

Sarah was an ok choice for Andrew's personality on several levels, but a bad choice for the role.

Steve Wyatt who Sarah was seen on vacation, was said to have had a mother(these are my words in how to describe her at that time)  similar in some ways at the time to a "Carole Middleton, in wanting to attain a link to royalty, because of her lack of pedigree and desire to break into blueblood society" I've read that Steve Wyatt was totally using Sarah, he was a climber(His mother Lynn Wyatt a Texas-NY Sociallite who married Big Texas oil money(worked her way into some aspects of NY society, but not all. It was said she was pushing her son Steve Wyatt on the Duchess of York connection, because getting in with royalty, even married-in Sarah in the 1980's while married to the Duke of York, the Queen's son, would elevate the Wyatt's pedigree(She and her son Steve thought). They had tons of money, but no social-pedigree background, which counted with blueblood society and East Coast -Society Bluebloods, although allowing her to attend their lavish affairs, because of her big moneyed donations, still considered her not one of them.) She had friendly connections to the Reagans, and had befriended lower level British and European aristos who would come to the U.S. to party, socialize in Palm Beach, NY,  various cities, but she was seen mostly as someone they'd call as a party-maven who knew the rounds, to the lavish tents and she was entertaining.)

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Lynn Wyatt's staying power as reigning socialite is due largely to her ability to create an image that evokes both old and new money. She didn't come from enormous wealth—but she got a boost from the self-made oil and gas fortune of her husband, Oscar.
Houston's wealthiest residents, River Oaks, as opposed to, say, Philadelphia's Main Line or Manhattan's Upper East Side, tends to be more welcoming, less obsessed with pedigree...
http://ngm.nationalgeographic.com/ngm/0603/feature8/

The Sarah and Steve Wyatt affair.... :spy:
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Steve Wyatt-Sarah
,............................. the Duchess had been under the surveillance of MI5 whilst in the UK and MI6 when abroad since 1990 when Fergie took one of her lovers on holiday to Morocco. Steve Wyatt became the object of Fergie’s ‘love’ since November 1989 when they met at a function in Houston.
 
But by taking him on holiday with the grandchildren of the Monarch was a step too far. Wyatt even took an apartment in London close to the Palace where in the afternoons; evenings Wyatt could satisfy Fergie’s insatiable sexual appetite.
The problem was that for Fergie it was not ‘just another fling.’ She fell in love and thus wanted to be with Wyatt all the time. She cared little for her husband, the Monarchy and the regard her two daughters would hold for her in due course. Sex for her and being with the man she cared or thought she cared for was paramount.

Alarm bells rang in 1991 when Wyatt escorted Fergie to a private London dinner to which he had actually not been invited. He sat down next to her without a care in the world and with the arrogance that he was known saying, “Mah woman and I sit together.”
Those words echoed the corridors of Buckingham Palace within hours and within minutes made their way to the ears of MI5. The guests and host were flabbergasted at the words used by Wyatt but more so because the Duchess did not seem to mind.
 
During the summer and autumn of 1991 Fergie continued to have a number of affairs but it was clear she was in love with Wyatt. The Queen sought advice from Sir Robert Fellowes asking him to “have a word” with Fergie. A meeting took place and Fellowes tried in vain to make Fergie understand that what she was doing was unwise and worse if the media found out “they would have a field day.”
 
MI5 continued their surveillance of Fergie with the sole mandate regarding the Queen’s grandchildren and their safety. Sir Robert Fellowes met with Sarah a second time spelling out that surveillance carried out contained proof of her “serial adultery” and to quit the affair with Wyatt forthwith. Sarah had been summoned to see Fellowes frequently over one story or another in the press so she was used to his scolding.
 
But this was different. Fellowes ordered her to stop seeing Wyatt and further to “cease and desist from selling stories to newspapers.”

She told Fellowes “If I can’t lead my life without you telling me what to do then I’ll go my own way. I’m fed up being told what I can and can’t do.”
 
It was time for MI6 to take a hand. Steve Wyatt was a 6'2", blue-eyed and a consultant to several U.S. oil companies. Those oil companies had dependencies to the world market for their product. An MI6 officer spoke to Wyatt and made it clear that unless he “packed his bags and left England and Sarah F for good all the skeletons in his family’s cupboards would tumble and any company he held an association with would have a closed door in England and Commonwealth Countries.”


Wyatt may have been new to royal circles, but his family was no stranger to England's tabloid press he was reminded by the MI6 officer.

Some years after Steve's mother, Lynn, divorced his father, New York City Realtor Robert Lipman, Lipman killed a woman in London—in 1968 he strangled 18-year-old Chelsea barmaid Claudie Delphine Delbarre. The self-confessed alcoholic and drug addict claimed that he was on "an LSD trip from hell" at the time and had no memory of the crime. Found guilty of manslaughter, he served six years in prison. Wyatt—who was legally adopted along with his younger brother, Douglas, by Lynn's second husband, natural-gas multimillionaire Oscar Wyatt, in 1963—had in the past maintained that his real father was killed by a train in Austria. But his fate remains mysterious. A Texas newspaper report says that the 6'6" Lipman committed suicide in prison, but the MI6 officer told Wyatt that Lipman was still alive.
 
Information is the power of the Security Services and it worked.
 

For, what then seemed to be no apparent reason Wyatt told Sarah that he was leaving London and returning to America where his father wanted him to run his family business.
http://www.onlinepublishingcompany.info/content/sitenewsreadmore/infobox/news/template/default/active_id/1172


Title: Re: Will Andrew and Fergie ever go back together?
Post by: Snokitty on May 16, 2013, 03:24:20 pm
I have seen videos of Andrew & Sarah before they married and they were in love.  They still care for each other now. I think Sarah just wanted to be released from royal protocol and enjoy life for awhile.


Title: Re: Will Andrew and Fergie ever go back together?
Post by: Cressida on May 16, 2013, 04:18:30 pm
She was completely unsuitable. She was used to a life of flitting between jobs, skiing and sleeping around. Suddenly she was supposed to be this role model who worked hard and was faithful. It was completely against her nature.

On the other hand, Andrew was also a very selfish man set in his ways.

It was never going to work out. The problem was that in the beginning, Fergie was seen as a good egg, who would ride horses and be a good laugh. While she does have that side to her personality, she is also easily swayed by flattery and totally believed her press. She became rude and demanding, but then she had a good example set to her by Andrew who is notoriously arrogant and dismissive of people.

It's clear that they get on well and I am sure they have had their romantic moments since the divorce. However, they are never going to stop seeing other people so it is probably for the best that they remain as they are.


Title: Re: Will Andrew and Fergie ever go back together?
Post by: Kuei Fei on May 16, 2013, 07:14:20 pm
I have seen videos of Andrew & Sarah before they married and they were in love.  They still care for each other now. I think Sarah just wanted to be released from royal protocol and enjoy life for awhile.

Fergie had enjoyed life plenty before she married Andrew.

According to all accounts, Fergie had enjoyed a knockabout life in ski resorts, living in the Aussie outback, traveling to Brazil, no small circle for her.

It's not like she's someone who apparently lived a convent life or one like Diana, who mainly hung around Sloane Square and went on occasional trips.


Title: Re: Will Andrew and Fergie ever go back together?
Post by: CathyJane on May 16, 2013, 09:54:16 pm
My thoughts exactly. Sarah had been on her own since her mother probably, and was no innocent about life.


Title: Re: Will Andrew and Fergie ever go back together?
Post by: serene grace on May 16, 2013, 10:52:45 pm
It always boggles my mind that Sarah blew it so horribly. Out of the two (Diana and Sarah) Sarah had the better deal IMO,.She had a Prince, who loved her and seemed to understand and accept her. He was also extremely handsome. I'll never uderstand why she went jumping around looking for other men.  All she had to do was behave and wait for her Prince to return.
 Did Sarah figure that the Palace would just look the other way, because Andrew wasn't raising a ruckus?

When I see photos of her with Andrew and the Princesses, it seems like she wants back in, yet when she was "in" the marriage and Royal Family, she failed miserably (and also claimed how miserable it was)

Why hasn't she moved on? I hear that the billionaire in Norway really wanted Sarah, but after awhile she went running back to Andrew (safe haven) That is why I always think there might be a chance these two get back together again.
For some reason, she hasn't really moved on and neither has he. Everytime he seemed to get close to having a actual serious girlfriend, it seemed Sarah would fly back in or let the press know that she was still living with Andrew (and no woman is going to want to waste time IMO if she's still truly living with Andrew.)  :-


Title: Re: Will Andrew and Fergie ever go back together?
Post by: Snokitty on May 16, 2013, 11:50:04 pm
Of course Sarah had an adventurous life and royal protocol would never be sufficient for that type of personality. I don't think she regrets not being under the palaces control anymore. She has basically gotten her cake and eat it too. She does not have to listen to the palace and she is still with Andrew and living the good life.

@Kuei Fei    I did not say Sarah lived a Nun's life before marriage, I said Andrew & Sarah were in love when they married.


Title: Re: Will Andrew and Fergie ever go back together?
Post by: Kuei Fei on May 17, 2013, 12:36:46 am
^I wonder how much she loved him, if she couldn't avoid running around with other men. She had a full life and range of experiences with men and should have been satisfied with Andrew and should have ended up being a happily married wife and mother. She should have known that Andrew was 'the one' and been faithful.

So realistically, she did have her chance and did blow it.

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Why hasn't she moved on? I hear that the billionaire in Norway really wanted Sarah

Because she would lose her courtesy title and her palace access and she would be a pariah, a complete pariah, in Britain.

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For some reason, she hasn't really moved on and neither has he.

Because Andrew won't make her move out on her own and live her own life; he won't just throw her out and make her find her own place to live and enable himself to make a new life of his own moving forward. It's not like he is standing up for himself and his own self respect.

Even Diana couldn't use the Buckingham Palace pool after her divorce, but Sarah got to live on at Royal Lodge.

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Everytime he seemed to get close to having a actual serious girlfriend, it seemed Sarah would fly back in or let the press know that she was still living with Andrew (

Interesting; too bad Andrew won't give some nice decent woman a chance with him. Sarah will never let him move on in life, wish he saw that.


Title: Re: Will Andrew and Fergie ever go back together?
Post by: Snokitty on May 17, 2013, 01:07:36 am
Andrew has Sarah around because he wants her there. Just because one is in love doesn't mean that they turn into a 50's housewife. There are all types of different marriages because there are different individuals involved. If Andrew wanted Sarah gone out of his life he could make it happen but since he chooses not to even after his daughters are grown it says a lot about what he & Sarah have together.


Title: Re: Will Andrew and Fergie ever go back together?
Post by: Jane23 on May 17, 2013, 08:37:22 am
I think Andrew keeps her close to control her ...she mistakes that for "love" if you ask me ...they have the relationship Willy and Kate will have after the divorce  :cookie:.


Title: Re: Will Andrew and Fergie ever go back together?
Post by: Snokitty on May 17, 2013, 12:38:33 pm
Well if Andrew is controlling Sarah then the mistakes she makes are his fault so why all the hatred for Sarah.

Sarah is uncontrollable which is one of her problems. Andrew keeps her there because that is where he wants her.


Title: Re: Will Andrew and Fergie ever go back together?
Post by: Kit on July 27, 2013, 09:51:56 pm
I think chances are pretty good that Sarah is bi-polar. 

Her high risk behavior, the over spending, etc...

She's an intelligent woman who should have learned from her mistakes years ago.  Instead she continues to screw up.

Andrew keeps her around bc he pitys her and to keep her out of trouble.

He's not in love with her, she's a burden he must bear.  It's better for the girls if Sarah is under his roof.   

The alternative, especially when they were younger would have been horrible.  God only knows what she would have exposed them to. 

I think those girls having been playing mother to Fergie for a very long time.  It's probably one of the reasons they are so responsible and sweet. 







Title: Re: Will Andrew and Fergie ever go back together?
Post by: Alexandrine on July 27, 2013, 09:53:36 pm
^I think he kept her in his house because it was the only way to have access to his kids.


Title: Re: Will Andrew and Fergie ever go back together?
Post by: Kit on July 27, 2013, 10:45:25 pm
^

You could be right, especially after the underage girl scandal...



Title: Re: Will Andrew and Fergie ever go back together?
Post by: Kuei Fei on July 27, 2013, 10:51:00 pm
Windsor men really know how to pick 'em, don't they?


Title: Re: Will Andrew and Fergie ever go back together?
Post by: Alexandrine on July 27, 2013, 10:54:58 pm
The kids were already in uni when the underage girl scandal


Title: Re: Will Andrew and Fergie ever go back together?
Post by: Jane23 on July 27, 2013, 11:03:36 pm
I think chances are pretty good that Sarah is bi-polar. 

Her high risk behavior, the over spending, etc...

She's an intelligent woman who should have learned from her mistakes years ago.  Instead she continues to screw up.

Andrew keeps her around bc he pitys her and to keep her out of trouble.

He's not in love with her, she's a burden he must bear.  It's better for the girls if Sarah is under his roof.   

The alternative, especially when they were younger would have been horrible.  God only knows what she would have exposed them to. 

I think those girls having been playing mother to Fergie for a very long time.  It's probably one of the reasons they are so responsible and sweet. 






You might be into something ...


Title: Re: Will Andrew and Fergie ever go back together?
Post by: india on July 28, 2013, 02:32:19 pm
Will someone please tell me about the underage girl scandal?


Title: Re: Will Andrew and Fergie ever go back together?
Post by: Kit on July 28, 2013, 04:04:31 pm
India,

Google Prince Andrew+Brian Epstein, there are numerous articles.



Title: Re: Will Andrew and Fergie ever go back together?
Post by: serene grace on July 28, 2013, 05:34:34 pm
Andrew has Sarah around because he wants her there. Just because one is in love doesn't mean that they turn into a 50's housewife. There are all types of different marriages because there are different individuals involved. If Andrew wanted Sarah gone out of his life he could make it happen but since he chooses not to even after his daughters are grown it says a lot about what he & Sarah have together.

I agree and I think they will remain together.

**.....and after Phillip is gone it may go back to man and wife.)


Title: Re: Will Andrew and Fergie ever go back together?
Post by: india on July 28, 2013, 06:18:32 pm
India,

Google Prince Andrew+Brian Epstein, there are numerous articles.



Thanks Kit.


Title: Re: Will Andrew and Fergie ever go back together?
Post by: Tatiana on July 28, 2013, 09:56:37 pm


   agree with Serene Grace


Title: Re: Will Andrew and Fergie ever go back together?
Post by: mysha on July 28, 2013, 10:53:31 pm
Agree also. I think they would get back together but PP stops it, so once removed then doors open


Title: Re: Will Andrew and Fergie ever go back together?
Post by: Kit on July 29, 2013, 12:11:15 am
I don't think they can ever be together in any official capacity.

Fergie selling access to Andrew pretty much ruined any possibility of that.  If they want to live out life as companions that's great, but she doesn't get to start appearing at events on Andrew's arm.

Charles shares Phillip's dislike of Fergie.  He only risks scandal for his own benefit, so Andrew would have to give up any official representation of the RF.

I cannot imagine why Andrew would ever want to make a relationship with Fergie official.  Neither of them can stay out of trouble.  Their recent scandals were bad enough.  Had they been married or officially together, it would have ruined them for good. 



Title: Re: Will Andrew and Fergie ever go back together?
Post by: Kuei Fei on July 29, 2013, 02:14:18 am
If I were Andrew, in his position, I would end up letting Fergie go, warn the girls to keep their distance, and then let her self destruct/hit rock bottom. She is a self destructive human being and is being a burden on her girls, not a mother and a healthy influence. Fergie can't really control the lives of her daughters anymore and I don't see her being able to end up with any realistic ability to bring in bad people or take them to bad places anymore. Let her hang around shady characters, let her end up messing up her life more.


Title: Re: Will Andrew and Fergie ever go back together?
Post by: serene grace on July 29, 2013, 02:23:05 am
That last episode with Fergie trying to sell access to Andrew, is what I didn't consider, I forgot how damaging that was to Fergie's chances really. It put the nail in her coffin perhaps, but with Charles being allowed to marry his mistress, I never say never anymore.  :James:

That tape of Fergie was very revealing, sad really.


Title: Re: Will Andrew and Fergie ever go back together?
Post by: Kuei Fei on July 29, 2013, 05:01:16 am
What if it had been Fergie selling access to her daughters?

Would Andrew still be as blindly indulgent as he has been?

Charles married Camilla, but to my knowing, Camilla never pulled this on Charles.

Fergie is not and largely never will be a good person and will never really end up doing anything for anyone that doesn't have something in it for her. I think a remarriage ended the minute that tape got leaked and Fergie was determined to avoid responsibility for her actions all over again.

The public would be up in arms, Parliament would revolt and even demand Andrew step down, while the courtiers would pack their bags, retreat to their estates, and raise a rebellion against the Windsors. Andrew would be cut out from the succession, I am certain of that.

I don't think HM would even allow it since after all, she has put up with enough. HM can be protected by the Court and Charles if she needs backup.


Title: Re: Will Andrew and Fergie ever go back together?
Post by: Snokitty on July 29, 2013, 11:07:25 am
It is called "Love". Those two still love each other or they would not spend so much time together and support and hold each other up.


Title: Re: Will Andrew and Fergie ever go back together?
Post by: Kit on July 29, 2013, 03:29:37 pm
@ Kuei Fei,

You are spot on!

No way, HM would never allow it nor would Charles.

The threat of Fergie selling access to her daughters, the Queen, or any other royal is too great.

Fergie has proven for decades that she is unstable and clearly lacks character.  It's not Fergie getting conned or using poor judgement.  Fergie chooses to screw up. 

The Queen forgives Fergie publicly, and bails her out to avoid greater scandal and further embarrassment to the Yorkies.  The last thing the Queen wants is a rejected, even more desperate Fergie.

Besides Andrew does not love her.  I'm sure he knows she's mentally ill and does pity her.  He tries to protect his girls by letting her live with him which is an attempt to keep her out of trouble.  She's his partner in crime and the fall guy for their doomed schemes. 

If they were in love, they would have done everything in their power to stay out of trouble for a chance to receive HM's approval.  It's a relationship of convenience and comfort.  It's not love and Fergie is not an innocent. 


Title: Re: Will Andrew and Fergie ever go back together?
Post by: dianab on July 29, 2013, 03:50:10 pm
IMO Sarah know where the skeletons are buried ... IMO this is the base of closeness between she & Andrew.

IMO the same thing is there between Charles & Fawcett/Charles & Camilla.


Title: Re: Will Andrew and Fergie ever go back together?
Post by: Kit on July 29, 2013, 04:10:39 pm
I agree dianab,

She has only kept her mouth shut for the sake of her girls and bc she wants to continue to maintain her lifestyle.  Living with Andrew means she only needs money to cover her personal expenses.  She doesn't have to maintain a home. 

The RF has made sure her reputation has been discredited in order to gain her compliance.

She and Andrew deserve each other. 



Title: Re: Will Andrew and Fergie ever go back together?
Post by: Kuei Fei on July 29, 2013, 05:53:57 pm
I wonder though, if whether or not Fergie is on thin ice with HM; with Philip sicker and more chaos being brought in by the Cambs, I wager that HM possibly loathes her as much as Philip. Fergie has caused endless problems, worse than Diana; with Diana there was drama, but Diana never dreamed of half the stuff Fergie pulled.

IMO Sarah know where the skeletons are buried ... IMO this is the base of closeness between she & Andrew..

When Charles gets to the throne, chances are he'll deal with Fergie more decisively; it's long overdue and right now there is nothing that Fergie can do. It's a subtle form of blackmail and I wager Charles will put a stop to a lot of ongoing things.


Title: Re: Will Andrew and Fergie ever go back together?
Post by: mysha on July 29, 2013, 06:19:42 pm
When Chuckles was married to HRH Diana, Princess of Wales
Fergie and Chuckie were mates, in the housekeeper book by Wendy Berry. Wendy said that Fergie was around making Chuck giggle before she married Andrew
Fergie stayed many weekends at Highgrove and Charles made a point to spend time with her, he enjoyed it greatly
So
This is rather conflicting. I think due to neither
re marrying etc , there might be love or pity, it really is a toss up


Title: Re: Will Andrew and Fergie ever go back together?
Post by: Kuei Fei on July 29, 2013, 07:38:39 pm
There is a difference between accepting her as a friend and then as a sister-in-law, having her wreak havoc. Charles supposedly didn't like Fergie's influence on Diana and there was a lot of distance from Fergie from the RF. Fergie was considered unacceptable as a lady in waiting and as a result, they were wary of her as a member of the RF.

If Andrew still loved Fergie, I am certain that Fergie would still be a member of the RF; Andrew could have appealed to HM and gotten away with it since Andrew is her favorite son. I don't think Philip would have been able to make HM budge if in fact HM wanted her to stay or come back.


Title: Re: Will Andrew and Fergie ever go back together?
Post by: dianab on July 29, 2013, 10:00:55 pm
Charles liked of Fergie through the 1980s, do you remember Diana said to Jame Gilbey (tapes) that Charles was trying help Fergie with her image, seems he asked Jimmy S :ick:? for help her. During the 1990s he dont wanted anymore bussiness with her, after the death of Diana they fell out definitely, in bbc (site) you could find the article that Fergie says Charles abandoned/let her down... with the exception of Andrew I dont believe anyone else in The Firm have any time for Fergie.

@Kuei Fei
I dont doubt Fergie know alot about Charles for their closeness in 1980s, after the Queen dies, I dont doubt Fergie would let the cat out of the bag about what she knows about Charles :laundry:.

@kit
I do think Fergie also likes her girls have an good relationship with the Queen for what she said to Oprah... isnt the Queen who's behind the fund for the girls?


Title: Re: Will Andrew and Fergie ever go back together?
Post by: Snokitty on July 30, 2013, 12:11:33 am
People who are in love do not have to be married. Andrew would wait until his Dad passes out of respect or fear I am not sure which. Their daughters are raised so there is no reason for their continued arrangements.

Sarah is there because Andrew wants her to be otherwise he would get rid of her. I follow both of them on twitter and there is real affection & support between them.


Title: Re: Will Andrew and Fergie ever go back together?
Post by: serene grace on July 30, 2013, 12:33:26 am
I agree. There is definately something there between them.


Title: Re: Will Andrew and Fergie ever go back together?
Post by: Kit on July 30, 2013, 12:43:10 am
What about the comment she made to Oprah about Will's wedding?

"I really love the feeling that sort of Diana and I both weren't there"..."But I'm here to say how proud she would have been and Kate looked utterly beautiful".

Clearly, the woman is mad!  She's not sad that Diana is dead and not able to attend the wedding.  No, Fergie is proud that neither of them could be there.  Once again trying to pull others down to her level and use Diana's memory to earn sympathy.

In that same article she states that it was hard to watch the wedding bc she was the last bride to walk down the aisle at Westminster Abbey....and continues to whine bc she was not there with her girls and wasn't there to get them dressed.  Of course, it was her choice to leave the country.  But instead of staying in London and getting her girls ready she runs away and then plays the victim.  Which actually supports the claim that Fergie was upset bc she didn't get an invite and chose her girl's hats to embarrass the Queen bc they would sit behind HM so every shot of the Queen would show her daughters in those horrible contraptions.

She's is not rational.  If you read her interviews, it becomes painfully obvious that she needs some help.  And this is why I think Charles and Phillip can't or won't forgive her.  I think they are scared to death of her bc she is not rational.  

I think she's one of those women that you fall in love with the first time you meet her.  She's a breath of fresh air, fun, funny, and a little risqué.  But then you realize she's stolen your silver and is now talking about you to the press.  Not bad things, but she insinuates things about you and your relationship.  Ultimately, she can't be trusted.  Although, you feel sorry for her, it becomes obvious that she won't ever change, and being around her is just too risky.   You come to the realization that she's actually a manipulator and user.  Bi-polar individuals are like this, they can be exciting to be around, an absolute blast...but when they are self-destructive, they can be terrifying.  You can't make them stop, you can't reason with them.  


Title: Re: Will Andrew and Fergie ever go back together?
Post by: Kit on July 30, 2013, 12:52:22 am
I agree. There is definately something there between them.

I think it's codependency. 

I also think that Andrew plays along so that she doesn't go off the deep end. 

They are friends but Andrew is a sexual deviant.  He's not interested in that kind of relationship with Fergie. 

They could very well spend the rest of their lives living together.  HM and Chuck have both bailed Sarah out.  But they won't continue to.  Andrew recognizes the need to keep her out of trouble and she can't support herself financially.  He takes care of her bc she can't do it herself and he doesn't want the girls to have that burden.


Title: Re: Will Andrew and Fergie ever go back together?
Post by: Tatiana on July 30, 2013, 04:53:49 am

   They are great friends, and will always be, both of them are loose cannons.

           It's good they keep one another busy.

                  ... and btw they do still fancy one another.  8)


Title: Re: Will Andrew and Fergie ever go back together?
Post by: Kit on July 30, 2013, 05:55:14 am
Oh Tatiana,

I think I just threw up a little in my mouth...



Title: Re: Will Andrew and Fergie ever go back together?
Post by: Kuei Fei on July 30, 2013, 08:49:13 am
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he doesn't want the girls to have that burden.

He better start teaching the girls about being independent from their mother's influence completely. As it is she is still to unhealthily attached and definitely immature.

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She's is not rational.

one thing that does intrigue me is how after the access scandal she actually hired lawyers to renegotiate her divorce settlement, something that happened a decade ago. This is definitely not someone who is all there, she is stuck in a time warp where nothing in her mind has changed.

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If you read her interviews, it becomes painfully obvious that she needs some help.

She never fails to continue to justify herself; she's like someone running in mental circles.

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I really love the feeling that sort of Diana and I both weren't there"...

Madness; she seems to revel in the delusion that her and Diana were somehow sisters in crime, as if they had any solid attachment.

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supports the claim that Fergie was upset bc she didn't get an invite and chose her girl's hats to embarrass the Queen


This might hit a nerve, but I think Fergie secretly hates and resents her daughters.

Her daughters are princesses, have a loving father, has HM's love and positive attention, and will have plenty of money while she Fergie, was born lower middle class in terms of money and home/position and a father who basically left her to her own low self esteem and caused her endless problems in regards to PR.

Her daughters have nice boyfriends who are wealthy and successful and attentive while she (Fergie) struggled to even get one decent guy interested and didn't get even a widower with two kids interested in committing, all the while gladly porking her and treating her more like a groupie and camp follower than girlfriend.

I believe Fergie enjoys holding them back and enjoys making them cater to her and enjoys probably interfering in their love lives. I don't think she's someone who is interested in their genuinely healthy independent development and I don't think she likes the idea of them getting married and moving on in life. Which means without her.


Title: Re: Will Andrew and Fergie ever go back together?
Post by: Snokitty on July 30, 2013, 11:22:11 am
Sarah does not *despise* her Daughters.   :laugh:


Title: Re: Will Andrew and Fergie ever go back together?
Post by: Kit on July 30, 2013, 01:34:06 pm
She may resent her daughter's.  Phil resented Chuck.

The real threat is Fergie's lack of self-control.

When one of these girls gets married, it's going to be a nightmare for the RF.

Sarah will be giving interviews and selling tickets to the "show".

Her invite list will be sketchy. She'll ask the dress designer and florist for a discount.

It's her irrational behavior and lack of self-control that the RF finds revolting. 



Title: Re: Will Andrew and Fergie ever go back together?
Post by: serene grace on July 30, 2013, 03:42:19 pm
I believe Andrew is still going to take her back officially after Phillip is gone. I read once that Sarah said they both felt they would be together in old age. I also think Andrew may request she be buried with him* and I think he may marry her to insure that. IMO


Title: Re: Will Andrew and Fergie ever go back together?
Post by: Kuei Fei on July 30, 2013, 04:12:40 pm
Why does Andrew look at her for who he wants her to be, rather than for who she is?

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Sarah will be giving interviews and selling tickets to the "show".

Her invite list will be sketchy.

I am dead sure she will forget that the wedding isn't supposed to be about her, but be about her daughter.


Title: Re: Will Andrew and Fergie ever go back together?
Post by: Snokitty on July 30, 2013, 04:15:44 pm
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She may resent her daughter's.  Phil resented Chuck.

Sarah and her daughters show their love for each other and resentment is not an emotion that I have seen from any of the three.

PP did not resent Charles, Charles was such a pansy that PP didn't understand why. If anyone did any resenting it was Charles towards both his parents.

^ None of us know what Andrew expects from Sarah but I have a feeling that he accepts her for who she is.


Title: Re: Will Andrew and Fergie ever go back together?
Post by: serene grace on July 30, 2013, 04:17:39 pm
IMO Windsor men are just kinda weak. He has always been weak to Sarah. IMO Andrew knew full well Sarah sold access to him. He let her to make some money on the side for herself, but the pair kept it between them on the down low. When she got caught on camera, he had to pretend he wasn't in on it, when he and Sarah have probably been pulling that scam for years behind the Palace's back.  :June:
*Just my opinion.  :bored:


Title: Re: Will Andrew and Fergie ever go back together?
Post by: CathyJane on July 30, 2013, 09:58:02 pm
I do think Sarah has a lot of resentment toward her daughters even though I believe she loves them dearly. As KF said Beatrice and Eugenie have everything Sarah didn't when she was young so the resentment has to be there imo. I agree she does hand on tightly to them, she's still 'royal' when she's with them and she still wants that very much.

As for Andrew and Sarah, if she hasn't crashed and burned completely before Phil dies, I wouldn't be surprised if they did get remarried.


Title: Re: Will Andrew and Fergie ever go back together?
Post by: MOSAIC on August 08, 2013, 09:51:21 am
If they do remarry I think she would be a fierce protectress for her daughters, and more than a match for Kate and Carole, which may be badly needed.


Title: Re: Will Andrew and Fergie ever go back together?
Post by: CathyJane on August 08, 2013, 02:32:16 pm
It would be interesing to see Sarah and Carole in brawl.  :laugh:


Title: Re: Will Andrew and Fergie ever go back together?
Post by: royalwindsorfan on August 08, 2013, 05:35:30 pm
how come andy doesn't re marry, I haven't heard him linked to any woman since fergie. I thought he had a ladies man reputation.i thought he'd be out there dating up a storm. I thought he would re marry like anne and Charles. In  the usa I rarely hear about andy in the news these days.


Title: Re: Will Andrew and Fergie ever go back together?
Post by: MOSAIC on August 08, 2013, 07:06:12 pm

I don't think either Sarah or Andrew would like a situation where he remarries and has a son with a new wife, who would displace Beatrice and Eugenie, or at least it would have until the recent change in succession rules.  But that's only very very recent.


Title: Re: Will Andrew and Fergie ever go back together?
Post by: royalwindsorfan on August 08, 2013, 10:44:59 pm
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She may resent her daughter's.  Phil resented Chuck.

Sarah and her daughters show their love for each other and resentment is not an emotion that I have seen from any of the three.

PP did not resent Charles, Charles was such a pansy that PP didn't understand why. If anyone did any resenting it was Charles towards both his parents.

^ None of us know what Andrew expects from Sarah but I have a feeling that he accepts her for who she is.
the reason charles was so soft as a kid is because he was pampered.servants nannies taking care of his every need so why would he be hard or tough.


Title: Re: Will Andrew and Fergie ever go back together?
Post by: Kit on August 09, 2013, 04:24:18 am

I don't think either Sarah or Andrew would like a situation where he remarries and has a son with a new wife, who would displace Beatrice and Eugenie, or at least it would have until the recent change in succession rules.  But that's only very very recent.

The new laws of succession aren't retroactive, so the girls could still be pushed further back....


Title: Re: Will Andrew and Fergie ever go back together?
Post by: meememe on August 10, 2013, 10:43:43 pm
The girls can't be pushed back by a younger brother because he would be born after October 2011 and the new laws apply to all children born after that date. Of course the new laws haven't take effect yet simply because the majority of the other realms haven't bothered to pass the relevant legislation and it has to be passed in ALL 16 realms to become law in any of them but they all agreed that it would date to October 2011 when finally passed.


Title: Re: Will Andrew and Fergie ever go back together?
Post by: serene grace on August 11, 2013, 11:48:22 am
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The EXPRESS :  The Queen has invited Sarah to spend the weekend at Balmoral.                                                                                  It is not the first time the Duchess has stayed at the Queen’s estate since her 1996 divorce – she was there in 2005 and 2008.

However, a royal insider revealed that on those occasions Sarah wasn’t invited to stay in the main castle, unlike this time.

One Balmoral source said: “It’s just like old times. The Duchess is being treated as if she and the Duke were still married.”
http://www.express.co.uk/news/royal/421196/Sarah-Ferguson-flies-in-from-the-cold-as-Queen-invites-her-to-stay


Title: Re: Will Andrew and Fergie ever go back together?
Post by: mysha on August 11, 2013, 02:17:55 pm
The girls can't be pushed back by a younger brother because he would be born after October 2011 and the new laws apply to all children born after that date. Of course the new laws haven't take effect yet simply because the majority of the other realms haven't bothered to pass the relevant legislation and it has to be passed in ALL 16 realms to become law in any of them but they all agreed that it would date to October 2011 when finally passed.

It wont pass in Oz or Canada, wont happen for them. There are hidden other stuff with these changes .These changes do not help us the rif raf aka the public


Title: Re: Will Andrew and Fergie ever go back together?
Post by: Kit on August 12, 2013, 01:07:57 am
I'm guessing Sarah was the source for this???

Fergie will probably pinch the silver and it'll be on ebay next week.  She can't help herself. 

If Charles can marry Campon I guess this isn't shocking, especially since it's Bea's Birthday weekend.

IMO, Andrew and Fergie can do whatever they like as long as she officially never becomes his wife, even after Phil is gone.

Is it possible that Bea's engaged???


Title: Re: Will Andrew and Fergie ever go back together?
Post by: Fly on the wall on August 12, 2013, 01:57:16 am
The DM has the Sarah going to Balmoral  story too


Has Fergie been let back into the fold? Duchess of York heads to Balmoral after landing at Aberdeen airport
 Sarah Ferguson, former wife of Prince Andrew, reportedly flew on Friday
 She was joined by Andrew, and daughters Beatrice and Eugenie
 The Queen has long been said to have held a 'soft spot' for Fergie


The once disgraced Duchess of York has flown to Balmoral to spend the weekend with the Queen, it has today been revealed.

Sarah Ferguson, former wife of Prince Andrew, reportedly flew to Aberdeen on Friday shortly after daughter Beatrice's birthday celebrations in Windsor.


While she has visited Balmoral since her divorce, it is thought to be the first time she has been invited to stay in the main castle on the Queen's estate since her marriage ended in 1996.



http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2389361/Has-Fergie-let-fold-Duchess-York-heads-Balmoral-landing-Aberdeen-airport.html



Title: Re: Will Andrew and Fergie ever go back together?
Post by: Adeline on August 12, 2013, 02:36:13 am
Interesting- if they do get remarried it probably won't be until after Phillip dies.


Title: Re: Will Andrew and Fergie ever go back together?
Post by: Nighthawk on August 12, 2013, 04:20:15 am
why not have these 2 remarry I mean look at what Sir William Middleton dragged home with him.  Fergie can't do anymore harm than what the royals have been doing for themselves IMO  leave out cheese and you attract rats  :king:


Title: Re: Will Andrew and Fergie ever go back together?
Post by: Kuei Fei on August 12, 2013, 04:32:57 am
This would be a sick twist of fate; Diana is dead after being stripped of her HRH and Fergie would get hers back once she is remarried to Andrew. I wonder if in fact such a thought has tickled Fergie pink at times. Imagine her cackling behind closed doors after the engagement announcement and then her sense of triumph as she regains her HRH official status and she moves back in fully and goes up to Balmoral with all the trappings and wears a posh new gown at state receptions/balls. Royal engagements with all the trappings and has access to the state jewels and carriages and can do things better with lessons learned. A triumph of the wicked stepsister and I bet Fergie will buddy up with Camilla.

Interesting- if they do get remarried it probably won't be until after Phillip dies.

With Philip frailer than ever, I suppose HM is starting to pave the way for a remarriage.


Title: Re: Will Andrew and Fergie ever go back together?
Post by: berlin on August 12, 2013, 06:04:18 am
I am glad for Sarah and I do hope that she remarries Andrew.  But I hope she doesn't suck up to Camilla.  It would be cool for royal history if she remarries in.  


Title: Re: Will Andrew and Fergie ever go back together?
Post by: Freya on August 12, 2013, 08:01:40 am
^
I agree. Charles has been allowed some companionship in his later years so Andrew and Fergie should be allowed to remarry if they want to. Perhaps the Queen is paving the way for Beatrice's marriage in which Fergie would play a big part.


Title: Re: Will Andrew and Fergie ever go back together?
Post by: Kuei Fei on August 12, 2013, 08:03:04 am
I am glad for Sarah and I do hope that she remarries Andrew.  But I hope she doesn't suck up to Camilla.  It would be cool for royal history if she remarries in.

I think Fergie would lick Camilla's boots; after all, Camilla would be the future Queen Consort and I think Fergie won't be as troubled as she was being compared to Diana.


Title: Re: Will Andrew and Fergie ever go back together?
Post by: mysha on August 12, 2013, 11:08:07 am
If Camilla, why not Fergie ? they let Waity in so why no ?

HRH Diana, Princess of Wales will be spinning in heaven over Camz and WK

I think once Phil goes and then QE2, then it might just happen. Why be lonely and neither have remarried


Title: Re: Will Andrew and Fergie ever go back together?
Post by: serene grace on August 12, 2013, 11:44:30 am
I am glad for Sarah and I do hope that she remarries Andrew.  But I hope she doesn't suck up to Camilla.  It would be cool for royal history if she remarries in.  
   With time I think they will remarry. I think they have never stopped loving each other. Sarah was just a mess and made all sorts of mistakes, but I think the love was always there between Sarah and Andrew.  I wonder if HM has plans to convince Phillip, or maybe she may try to slowly ease Sarah in again, or maybe weʻll open the news one day and theyʻll have married?   


Title: Re: Will Andrew and Fergie ever go back together?
Post by: Kuei Fei on August 12, 2013, 12:23:37 pm
That would be interesting if in fact Fergie does remarry back in; she would have it all restored and I think she would be pathetically grateful, but I wonder, would she do the same thing? She hasn't realistically changed and she is a scandal addict, she can't seem to stay out of trouble.


Title: Re: Will Andrew and Fergie ever go back together?
Post by: Kit on August 12, 2013, 03:14:03 pm
Agreed Kuei Fei.

Perhaps instead of protection officers, Andrew would have to hire people to protect Fergie from herself and keep her out of trouble.  I don't think she can do it on her own. 

I think she suffers from mental illness.  She has never been able to overcome her propensity for high risk behaviors. 

After Phil goes she should be allowed to spend holidays etc... with her family and the RF. 

Perhaps, HM wanted to meet with Fergie if its true that Bea is going to take on royal duties full-time.  The Queen may have wanted to make her expectations clear to Sarah.  With clear boundaries and rules for Sarah.  Perhaps Sarah will be rewarded for good behavior and included at family events unofficially. 

Or it's possible that Bea is engaged and interaction between the RF and Fergie is inevitable.



Title: Re: Will Andrew and Fergie ever go back together?
Post by: mysha on August 12, 2013, 05:03:29 pm
Fergie allows Andy the rent boys and might enjoy to watch  :sob: watch this space


Title: Re: Will Andrew and Fergie ever go back together?
Post by: Tatiana on August 12, 2013, 08:45:19 pm

   They have never really been apart.


Title: Re: Will Andrew and Fergie ever go back together?
Post by: Kuei Fei on August 12, 2013, 11:44:23 pm
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Perhaps, HM wanted to meet with Fergie if its true that Bea is going to take on royal duties full-time.  The Queen may have wanted to make her expectations clear to Sarah.  With clear boundaries and rules for Sarah.

I think you're right; I wager Fergie will be made to understand and accept that she needs to back off and let her daughters live their own lives. If Beatrice is going to officially represent HM, Fergie needs to be made to understand that there is no place for Fergie in Beatrice's personal and official life.


Title: Re: Will Andrew and Fergie ever go back together?
Post by: Nighthawk on August 12, 2013, 11:47:33 pm
Fergie is her Mother she shouldn't have to back off from her life IMO she has every right to stay in connect with her daughter no matter what mistakes she's made

if Representing the Queen means that everyone who has made mistakes, having lovers then she needs to remove herself from her son PC


Title: Re: Will Andrew and Fergie ever go back together?
Post by: Tatiana on August 12, 2013, 11:53:12 pm
 :thumbsup:


    Well Stated NH


Title: Re: Will Andrew and Fergie ever go back together?
Post by: Kit on August 13, 2013, 03:52:53 am
If Andrew had held elected political office when Fergie was caught selling access, it would have cost him his position. 

Beatrice does not have to exclude Fergie.  However, Fergie should not tag along to any official events.  She's fine in the background.  She's no different than the Midds, i know they're there and connected to the RF.  But i don't need to hear about them.  They are only relevant by association. Discretion is crucial for Bea to gain respect.  If Fergie is always around stealing the spotlight then Bea will never escape from the her parent's shadow.  The press is merciless when it comes to these girls bc the press wants another Fergie, bc antics and scandal sell papers. 


Title: Re: Will Andrew and Fergie ever go back together?
Post by: Kuei Fei on August 13, 2013, 03:58:05 am
That is exactly what I mean; have a relationship, but don't tag along like a groupie or co-royal. I never said she should be banned from her daughters, but she needs to back off and they should live their own lives as private citizens and as royals. She needs to stop hanging off of them and those girls have suffered enough because of her antics.


Title: Re: Will Andrew and Fergie ever go back together?
Post by: Nighthawk on August 13, 2013, 04:42:42 am
oh ok I was under the impression you wanted her like completely out of their lives KF  :sorry:

I can agree to that and understand why  :flower:


Title: Re: Will Andrew and Fergie ever go back together?
Post by: Kuei Fei on August 13, 2013, 05:17:27 am
I believe that the biggest mistake would be to let her back in as an official member of the RF; it would kind of validate her past actions and the courtiers have enough on their hands with WK/Harry to have to deal with Fergie as well. The sad fact is, she had her chance the first time around, blew it, and since has made one mess after another.

Andrew needs to let her crash and burn.


Title: Re: Will Andrew and Fergie ever go back together?
Post by: Kit on August 13, 2013, 05:39:07 am
I agree KF.

Sarah can't keep her hands out of the cookie jar.

Her last scandal was icing on the cake. 

She's proven she's a liability time and again. 

I don't doubt she loves those girls but that doesn't mean she won't put them at risk.  She's always been self-destructive and has already embarrassed and hurt Bea and Eugenie enough.

Fool me once, shame on you...Fool me twice shame on me....


Title: Re: Will Andrew and Fergie ever go back together?
Post by: Kuei Fei on August 13, 2013, 07:08:08 am
It's mainly because of Fergie that the girls are being pushed to the side and people call for them to lose their HRH and chance at doing official duties. With every antic, the voices for a republic gorw louder and louder and louder. What if she had been selling access to her daughters? Or HM herself? She loves herself first and foremost and that alone makes her a very destructive person to be around; I don't think she can love her daughters for who they are as people. Her daughters are her foot in the door, not people to her.

Look at Fergie at her daughter's graduation: http://pinterest.com/pin/8655424256024825/ She is posing, showing off plenty of leg and there is no way that Fergie will just be happy being the wife of Andrew, she will want more and more and more to make up for lost time. There is no way that she's safe around anyone decent. She never moved out on her own, living rent free at royal lodge and still can't keep her spending under control and money in the bank. I think she would do even more damage if she were let in.


Title: Re: Will Andrew and Fergie ever go back together?
Post by: mysha on August 13, 2013, 09:32:43 am
Maybe she was trying for a nice picture. Wrong angle and you look shocking. When you have had a weight issue, the photos play an important part. She looks like a proud mother, wanting a nice pic for all concerned.


Title: Re: Will Andrew and Fergie ever go back together?
Post by: Kuei Fei on August 13, 2013, 10:23:57 am
Look, Fergie had her chance as a member of the RF and blew it horrendously; she had it all and might have ended up still being HRH The Duchess of York and still be secure. After the divorce she made millions through endorsements and Weight Watchers and other interesting ventures. She oculd have saved, lived off of the income from wise investments, and then enjoyed the luxurious lifestyle. She was even living rent free at Royal Lodge. She might have bought a house and lived there in splendor.
 

Selling Andrew like that was the lowest of the low; then she hires lawyers to renegotiate a divorce settlement that was done over a decade ago. She can't get herself out of this spiral where she is still eternally victimized Fergie. If she owned up to at least one of her antics, I wager she would not be as much of a mess as she is now and has been. Why on earth should she be let back in via remarriage. Andrew has hardly had a chance to move on himself, what with his ex-wife still living with him. You don't have all that and blow it like the way she did, then deserve a second chance.


Title: Re: Will Andrew and Fergie ever go back together?
Post by: CathyJane on August 13, 2013, 08:46:44 pm
Well said, KF. Sarah had so much and she just blew it all. At one point I had hoped that she and Andy get back together but lately I realize it would be terrible for her daughters if their parents remarried. Sarah would be more out of control than ever.


Title: Re: Will Andrew and Fergie ever go back together?
Post by: serene grace on August 13, 2013, 09:20:27 pm
What if they married again but the Palace made Sarah stay in the background , for the Queen saying ok to the marriage, no real public duties, just sometimes accompanying her husband as a plus one. They will tell Sarah in no uncertain terms that she will have to be the supportive wive, but nothing on her own ever again, maybe one charity which the Palace controls all aspects of for her, but that's it, the rest she just makes-like Andrew's shadow and never is allowed up front on her own again?   ??? ??? :spy:



Title: Re: Will Andrew and Fergie ever go back together?
Post by: Kuei Fei on August 13, 2013, 09:29:14 pm
Sarah won't be content to stay in the background; she would surely want to flaunt her return to the RF and the courtiers shouldn't have to waste their time controlling a grown woman. If she can't control herself (as evidenced), then she blew her chances in the most obvious way possible. Too late is too late.


Title: Re: Will Andrew and Fergie ever go back together?
Post by: CathyJane on August 14, 2013, 03:50:49 am
Yeah, no amount of palace pressure could keep Sarah under control and behind the scenes. Especially if she sucks up to Waity and Ma.


Title: Re: Will Andrew and Fergie ever go back together?
Post by: Kit on August 14, 2013, 04:15:26 am
The Vanity Fair article about Andrew gives some good insight into the history between these two.

It's a freaking miracle that both girls turned out so well. 





Title: Re: Will Andrew and Fergie ever go back together?
Post by: Kuei Fei on August 14, 2013, 08:32:27 am
This just came to me, but could it be that Fergie has been Andrew's mistress for the past so many years?

Would explain why she lives there rent free, has a lot of perks, enjoys his endless indulgence and why HM hasn't taken her courtesy title.


Title: Re: Will Andrew and Fergie ever go back together?
Post by: Aliza on August 14, 2013, 01:24:22 pm
^
I've always assumed she has been/is still his "mistress".  Otherwise the living together would have ceased after the girls grew up, IMO.

As far as the Balmoral visit, I think perhaps the Daily Telegraph had it right and we might be hearing an engagement announcement between Bea and Dave Clark.  Well, if they're right - Andrew and Sarah won't be able to use their children as cover anymore if Bea gets married soon and since Eugenie is starting a full time job in New York in October.

Did anyone else find it humorous how Sarah had to leave before Philip reached Balmoral on Monday?  :laugh: The Queen is the Queen, but at home, the DOE still has the final word.


Title: Re: Will Andrew and Fergie ever go back together?
Post by: Kit on August 14, 2013, 01:37:53 pm
I think HM was just being respectful of Phil's opinion.

The DoE is a black and white kinda guy and HM is more of the shades of grey type. 

Being in the same room as Fergie would probably send Phil's blood pressure thru the roof.



Title: Re: Will Andrew and Fergie ever go back together?
Post by: Kit on August 14, 2013, 01:56:03 pm
This just came to me, but could it be that Fergie has been Andrew's mistress for the past so many years?

Would explain why she lives there rent free, has a lot of perks, enjoys his endless indulgence and why HM hasn't taken her courtesy title.

Friends with benefits and partners in crime. 

I think there are other reasons too.

1.  Sarah's mental health, if she wasn't under his roof, Bea and Eugenie would have had to deal with the burden alone.

2.  Can you even imagine what her finances would be like if she had to maintain a home?  Fergie wouldn't tolerate forgoing an estate, with help, security, etc...

3.  Neither of them chooses appropriate people to associate with.  She has more privacy living at Royal Lodge.  And she would use his associations against him if he didn't provide her with this lifestyle.  He can't afford to keep up 2 separate equitable lifestyles.  This arrangement pleases both of them.

4.  He can keep tabs on her.

5.  I think it's a relationship of convenience.  His position provides the lifestyle to a degree.  His RF income isn't enough, so he uses his position to pressure friends into giving her money and bailing her out.  She's the one begging and accepting the cash, but they both draw from the income. 



Title: Re: Will Andrew and Fergie ever go back together?
Post by: Anne-Elliot on August 24, 2013, 09:57:01 pm
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Duke of York finds love again...with old flame the Duchess of York

The Duchess of York is said to have rekindled her romance with her former husband, the Duke of York.

Friends claim that the couple are so close that they will eventually formalise their reunion.

“Mark my words, they will remarry,” said one friend. “It is only a matter of time.”

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/theroyalfamily/10264693/Duke-of-York-finds-love-again...with-old-flame-the-Duchess-of-York.html



Title: Re: Will Andrew and Fergie ever go back together?
Post by: serene grace on August 24, 2013, 10:44:38 pm
 :laugh: I'm loving this......   

Someone's leaking, breaking it to the public in drips and drabs, but these two are going to remarry I think.

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Arthur Edwards‏@ArthurJEdwards15s
Page 1 of Sunday Tel Prince Andrew and his ex wife Sarah Ferguson may remarry. Great! They always were best friends. Raised  2 lovely girls

TWITTER:


Title: Re: Will Andrew and Fergie ever go back together?
Post by: Kuei Fei on August 25, 2013, 12:40:04 pm
Prince Andrew and Sarah Ferguson 'are back together' 17 years after divorce amid claims they are thinking of marriage

The Duke and Duchess of York have remained close since their split in 1996
Pair both live on the grounds of the Royal Lodge in Berkshire
Friends of the couple say 'it's only a matter of time' before they get married
Revelation comes after Fergie joined her ex-husband on a trip to Balmoral


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The Duke and Duchess of York have found love again after rekindling their romance seventeen years after they divorced.

Prince Andrew and Sarah Ferguson, both 53, have remained close since their split in 1996, even living together at the former country home of Queen Elizabeth the Queen Mother at the Royal Lodge in Berkshire.

And now friends of the pair claim they are officially a couple again and may even get married for the second time in the near future.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2401660/Prince-Andrew-Sarah-Ferguson-17-years-divorce-amid-claims-thinking-marriage.html#ixzz2cyp6MkGw

I think Sarah might pull off becoming an HRH again and go figure, Diana cold in her grave and Sarah triumphant.


Title: Re: Will Andrew and Fergie ever go back together?
Post by: serene grace on August 25, 2013, 01:21:55 pm
I use to wonder if Charles and Diana had not divorced, could things have eventually worked out for them?

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In little-noticed comments in 2009, Prince Andrew, also 53, said he did not rule out remarrying the Duchess.

“Do we have to be married?” he asked. “Well, let’s put it another way, I can neither confirm nor deny the possibility. We have two great children. We still look after them.”

The Duke has been linked to a string of women over the years, but none of the relationships has endured. The Duchess's friendships have, similarly, faltered.

In 1999, the Duchess told an interviewer: “There was no reason for Andrew and I to get divorced; there wasn’t another person in our lives to go to. We got divorced because I had to go out to work, and Andrew and I believed that it wasn’t right for me to be commercial while I was still in the Royal family.

"I had to provide for my children, but not do it on their own doorstep in this country, rubbing the Royal family’s noses in my commerciality.”
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/theroyalfamily/10264693/Duke-of-York-finds-love-again...with-old-flame-the-Duchess-of-York.html
Article says Andrew was hinting of remarriage in 2009.
I've always believed these two would end up back together, married. These articles may be floated in the press now, may be to prepare for an announcement eventually.


Title: Re: Will Andrew and Fergie ever go back together?
Post by: Kuei Fei on August 25, 2013, 02:37:22 pm
I honestly think that C&D were good for each other after the divorce; neither wanted any more trouble and she didn't remarry because she didn't want to lose her princess title and Charles couldn't marry Camilla because he was a divorcee. Supposedly they were on increasingly good footing and she was becoming more friendly with the palace. after Diana had established herself as an independent woman and possibly won a Nobel Prize for her work in landmines, she would have probably ended up wooed back into the royal circle with better mental strength and been done and over with her bulimia. Her and Charles could have ended up together on healthier footing.

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her only real crime was that she couldnt live up to diana. she pretty much self destructed

I kind of agree with this; the press was outright abusive to her all the time and she couldn't really fight back at all. At this point in time, I wonder if this time around Fergie might handle things a lot better. The press is no longer centralized and there are ways to show the good as well as the bad. I just sincerely hope that Andrew isn't making some mistake about keeping her around as someone to love and he should date around first before settling for Sarah. He's kind of like William, keeping one woman around and not testing the waters and seeing if there is better out there. Not just because of looks, but about personality, or reputation, someone who will move him beyond his past and could send him in a refreshing direction.


Title: Re: Will Andrew and Fergie ever go back together?
Post by: Jane23 on August 25, 2013, 03:48:55 pm
These two never should have divorced !!! Great news to hear they are building their "happy ending" and will hopefully grow old together ... I think they were always together entering their 50's they want it to be official ...


Title: Re: Will Andrew and Fergie ever go back together?
Post by: serene grace on August 25, 2013, 04:34:05 pm

Diana was only divorced for one year. She died almost one year to the date of her divorce from Prince Charles.
 
Divorce on 28 August 1996.

Death in a car crash in Paris on 31 August 1997

It always made me sad that Diana was just starting off in her single life as an unmarried woman, really.

I always found it amazing how Sarah managed to keep her hold on Andrew even after divorce and how happy they still seemed to be. Some reports said Diana even marveled how Sarah managed to stay on such good terms with Andrew after all the drama.

When I watch old royal tapes of the wedding day, of Andrew and Sarah, several of the announcers kept saying how this is a "love match" that the two were very much in love.


Title: Re: Will Andrew and Fergie ever go back together?
Post by: starlite on August 25, 2013, 05:18:27 pm
There's pros and cons to them being back together.
Con= they are both self indulgent
Pro= they did a great job at remaining a family & raising their girls despite their divorce


Title: Re: Will Andrew and Fergie ever go back together?
Post by: Scoops on August 25, 2013, 07:08:17 pm
There's pros and cons to them being back together.
Con= they are both self indulgent
Pro= they did a great job at remaining a family & raising their girls despite their divorce
that sums the two of them up perfectly.  I can see them remarrying somehow - the fact that Andrew never really connected with anyone long since the divorce is significant.  And the fact that they never really grew away from each other.  The girls don't seem like the children of divorce.


Title: Re: Will Andrew and Fergie ever go back together?
Post by: Stephanie on August 25, 2013, 07:18:23 pm
http://www.independent.ie/world-news/europe/fergie-and-andrew-will-definitely-remarry-friends-say-29525971.html

Awww..that's cute! :flirt:
I hope they remarry and do well this time.


Title: Re: Will Andrew and Fergie ever go back together?
Post by: Nighthawk on August 25, 2013, 07:19:25 pm
Fergie really never has left the Royal family IMO


Title: Re: Will Andrew and Fergie ever go back together?
Post by: serene grace on August 25, 2013, 07:32:12 pm
I think this marriage will be more interesting than William and Kate's. (If it does happen, which I believe it will.)

This will be big news and the magazines will definately give a remarriage of these two big coverage for awhile anyway. imo


Title: Re: Will Andrew and Fergie ever go back together?
Post by: Stephanie on August 25, 2013, 08:48:18 pm
http://resources0.news.com.au/images/2011/04/14/1226039/163976-prince-andrew-and-his-ex-wife-sarah-ferguson.jpg
They seemed like a fun loving happy family and still do.
I definitely wonder how the press is going to pick this up.
Fergie got a lot of undeserved criticism when they first got married( duchess of pork).
Constantly compared to Diana who was prettier, slimmer and more photogenic.
A lot happened since then, will they bring it up every time or not.
They did a lot of things wrong but they did one thing right: raising their daughters together.
And now remarriage, it says something about their characters when it comes to patience, loyalty and being plain old romantic fools.


Title: Re: Will Andrew and Fergie ever go back together?
Post by: Kuei Fei on August 26, 2013, 01:22:47 am
Andy and Fergie Part II? Friends say it is only a matter of time before the Yorks get married again 17 years after their break-up

    Duke and Duchess of York, both 53, live at Royal Lodge in Windsor together
    Duke of York has financially supported his ex-wife since their divorce in 1996
    Both have had other partners but are close and raised their daughter Beatrice and Eugenie together
    Revelation comes after Fergie joined her ex-husband on a trip to Balmoral


http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2401660/Andy-Fergie-Part-II-Friends-say-matter-time-Yorks-married-17-years-break-up.html#ixzz2d1vVHvQW


Title: Re: Will Andrew and Fergie ever go back together?
Post by: dianab on August 26, 2013, 05:33:30 am
If this story is true... then is Philip dying or his case worsened irreversibly?  :- ??? :-


Title: Re: Will Andrew and Fergie ever go back together?
Post by: Kuei Fei on August 26, 2013, 05:44:06 am
Yes, I believe it is; there is little doubt since Philip hasn't looked frailer, but this time around, afraid; he's never looked that fearful before.

The mere fact that Fergie is anticipating remarriage when Philip dies tells me all I need to know about her character and the idea of her being let in.

She had her chance over a decade ago and she blew it big time. Since then she hasn't done anything productive and I don't believe that she will live quietly or be a supportive life. I believe she'll just end up making worse escalating mistakes and use her HRH just like she used to. She hasn't learned because she hasn't had to face the consequences.

The courtiers don't' deserve this.


Title: Re: Will Andrew and Fergie ever go back together?
Post by: scarlett on August 26, 2013, 06:18:52 am
Seems as if they've maintained amicable relationship over the years. I don't know, if this turns out to be true, I don't imagine too much changing from the way they are currently living their lives and the dynamic of the relationship that share as a family.


Title: Re: Will Andrew and Fergie ever go back together?
Post by: terrajoule on August 26, 2013, 06:38:46 am
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Awww..that's cute!
I hope they remarry and do well this time.
:thumbsup:

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The courtiers don't' deserve this.
How thoughtful.  lol

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If this story is true... then is Philip dying or his case worsened irreversibly?
    
R..r..re..release the hounds!  :sob:  lol  He's fine.  :thumbsup:

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When I watch old royal tapes of the wedding day, of Andrew and Sarah, several of the announcers kept saying how this is a "love match" that the two were very much in love.

Isn't that what it is said at every royal wedding. Or any wedding.  :tehe: They could say the contrary...they are full of disgust and contempt for one another.  :dontknow:




Title: Re: Will Andrew and Fergie ever go back together?
Post by: Kuei Fei on August 26, 2013, 08:04:04 am
Seems as if they've maintained amicable relationship over the years. I don't know, if this turns out to be true, I don't imagine too much changing from the way they are currently living their lives and the dynamic of the relationship that share as a family.

She has surely been amiable since after all, Andrew holds all the cards. If he threw her out of Royal Lodge, she would surely be unable to care for herself.


Title: Re: Will Andrew and Fergie ever go back together?
Post by: kolkomilko on August 26, 2013, 08:51:09 am
It's true perhaps. But somehow I feel this "news" is about to diverts attention from Willy and Kate.


Title: Re: Will Andrew and Fergie ever go back together?
Post by: AngelofDespair on August 26, 2013, 09:01:11 am
they wanted to remerry many years ago but always was said Prince Philip would never allowed it and Queen will not go against PP..and now she aproves wich menas she really back of f from PP like tabloids wrote qafter he admit his several years lover and that was said to be the reason she wasnt with him during his abdominal recovery..it was said she was to disapointed


Title: Re: Will Andrew and Fergie ever go back together?
Post by: Jane23 on August 26, 2013, 10:04:55 am
Phil is an old man who math tells us has few Years to live I doubt he will spend them fighting Sarah ... she never left ...


Title: Re: Will Andrew and Fergie ever go back together?
Post by: Kuei Fei on August 26, 2013, 11:00:43 am
RICHARD KAY: Andrew and Fergie to remarry? Not if Prince Philip has anything to say about it!

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/debate/article-2401940/RICHARD-KAY-Andrew-Fergie-remarry-Not-Prince-Philip-say-it.html#ixzz2d4H0vklH



Title: Re: Will Andrew and Fergie ever go back together?
Post by: Stephanie on August 26, 2013, 11:47:59 am
A balanced article but  2 things puzzle me:
Why speculate they will get married low key like Chuck and his adulterous mistress Camzilla?
After all, they are no sinners in the eyes of the Church of England of they remarry each other.
Second, why do they need to worry about the popularity of Wimpo and Waity diminishing?
They are not popular as it is and have only themselves to blame for it.
Sounds more like Carole is worried about the York family becoming more popular and she just cannot use competition from the York princesses and Sarah.


Title: Re: Will Andrew and Fergie ever go back together?
Post by: Kuei Fei on August 26, 2013, 12:13:58 pm
A large wedding right now would end up possibly agitating the public and as for WK, Fergie would end up outranking WK since the Dukedom of York is only outranked by the Prince of Wales title. The title of Cambridge is in fact junior because William is not first in line, but second in line and so Kate might be required to curtsy to Fergie.

As for competition from the Yorkies and Fergie, this is just a thought, but maybe HM might let them remarry to help Charles put WK in line and provide some pushback. The Yorks could back Charles and help the courtiers. Fergie would also help the princesses push back if James starts pestering them and HM does need someone to take on more duties.

If Sarah started doing more duties on HM's behalf without having to compete with Diana, it may well end up being a better time this time around.


Title: Re: Will Andrew and Fergie ever go back together?
Post by: india on August 26, 2013, 12:26:30 pm
I hope they do remarry and if so, then the best of luck to them.


Title: Re: Will Andrew and Fergie ever go back together?
Post by: serene grace on August 26, 2013, 01:08:45 pm
I believe if they do remarry, the wedding would be small,because the Palace would desire it be done that way. Small, as tasteful as possible for these two.

I think Sarah would actually sell more women's magazines than Kate does. Sarah although a mess at times in her own life and as a royal wife we know all the scandals, but she is more likeable than Kate IMO.

I think marriage is in the cards for these two.


Title: Re: Will Andrew and Fergie ever go back together?
Post by: True Brit on August 26, 2013, 02:54:06 pm
^ Yes so do I. A low key affair like Princess Anne's to Tim Lawrence at Crathie. Yes and Sarah can shift magazine because she's good copy - loads of drama, often looks a mess, outspoken...what's for an editor not to like?


Title: Re: Will Andrew and Fergie ever go back together?
Post by: dianab on August 26, 2013, 03:50:21 pm
http://www.hellomagazine.com/royalty/2013082614277/sarah-ferguson-prince-andrew-not-rekindling-romance/


Title: Re: Will Andrew and Fergie ever go back together?
Post by: Kuei Fei on August 26, 2013, 04:03:39 pm
It might even set a precedent for couples who remained friendly after divorce to start remarrying if they feel so inclined. That alone would be something nice; I wonder if Charles and Diana might have followed their lead in the way they've behaved and contemplated remarrying at this point in time.


Title: Re: Will Andrew and Fergie ever go back together?
Post by: serene grace on August 26, 2013, 10:14:29 pm
That's why I felt the Queen should have, at that time demanded NO divorce and made Charles stick with his marriage to Diana(so what if he moaned about his tampon-mistress ) Sometimes years down the road couples come out the other side and things mellow out or things are renewed somehow. Diana loved Charles I think if they never divorced and he  let Camilla stew in the country side and let Camilla go, Diana would have forgiven him and tried to make the marriage work.



Title: Re: Will Andrew and Fergie ever go back together?
Post by: dianab on August 26, 2013, 10:18:43 pm
Well, with all this Remarriage rumours, italian mag remember because what led them to/they got divorced: :laugh:
http://www.oggi.it/focus/reali/2013/08/26/sarah-ferguson-e-andrea-dinghilterra-tornano-insieme-ecco-le-foto-scandalo-che-li-fecero-divorziare/
http://www.oggi.it/focus/gallery/sarah-ferguson-e-andrea-dinghilterra-tornano-insieme-ecco-le-foto-scandalo-che-li-fecero-divorziare/?pid=18246

PS.Sorry, moderators if here isnt the place to post it  :flower:


Title: Re: Will Andrew and Fergie ever go back together?
Post by: serene grace on August 26, 2013, 10:27:42 pm
Gawwd how could she go from gorgeous dark haired Prince Andrew, to that man? Yuck, he looks skeevy.

Sarah, Sarah, Sarah.  :sigh:

Were she and Andrew separated at this point?


Title: Re: Will Andrew and Fergie ever go back together?
Post by: dianab on August 26, 2013, 10:30:44 pm
Now, I dont remember very well, but when came this photos she was in Balmoral, the Diana's chef commented in twitter - times ago - when the photos were released that Sarah said she couldnt stand look in Queen  lmao lmao lmao


Title: Re: Will Andrew and Fergie ever go back together?
Post by: serene grace on August 26, 2013, 11:49:01 pm
Yes I saw that tweet, haha. supposedly when she appeared for breakfast Pr. Phillip and some of the other royals were either Reading it or had read it , and had the front page of the paper displayed in front of her Seat.


Title: Re: Will Andrew and Fergie ever go back together?
Post by: india on August 27, 2013, 12:34:33 pm
It makes me sick how the RF sadistic money hoarding krauts would shame Sarah when they have secretly been committing vile atrocities for years. Hopefully, the truth will be exposed. Hypocritical pieces of sh*t.


Title: Re: Will Andrew and Fergie ever go back together?
Post by: One of the Peasants on August 27, 2013, 03:36:30 pm
I have to agree with many of your posts about the RF hypocrisy regarding Fergie.  However, and I must put a disclaimer:  it pains me to say this.  However,

I do not think she should be allowed back in the RF. 
I think people ABSOLUTELY deserve second chances, my country was built by people who came here in search of their second chance.  However, this last scandal involving selling access, is just too much.

Sex scandals are embarrassing, but in her defense I am sure she did feel abandoned.  Her little Budgie books were cute and a perfectly respectable effort to provide herself some income, ditto with Weight Watchers. 

However, the very fact this forty-fifty something year old woman has never been able to budget, never been able to live within her means, always relied on her ex to bail her out, is seen taking expensive holidays all the while fighting off creditors is just perverse. 

The RF I agree is sadistic to call someone out on infidelity.  However, in my mind Sarah has a corruption chip that has yet to be disabled.  Had she not been caught in that selling access sting, what would she be doing right now??  Feeling guilty, doubtful, I think she would be buying more designer clothes and going on more luxurious holidays. 

Had she not been caught she would have been making some serious bank, and right now, with Bea quitting her job, Eugenie looking like she is trying to bide her time (I do not believe she is a historian or an art connoisseur) to reward that woman by bringing her back into the fold to enjoy the gravy train that Waity is swimming in I think will be just another nail in the coffin. 

Oddly enough, I do think Sarah is likeable, but that is because we live in a society that says "Sure she has made some mistakes, I would make those mistakes too if I had the opportunity" the forgiveness I see has less to do with outrage and more to do with a little bit of "If only I could have that opportunity to make a fast and easy buck"  she is seen as stupid for getting caught, not the corrupt act she was caught in. 

At her age she continues to blame EVERYONE but the woman in the mirror and that in my opinion is just another example for Waity to follow because neither is capable of making the right, hard decisions.  It is all about them and Sarah is a precedent.


Title: Re: Will Andrew and Fergie ever go back together?
Post by: Kuei Fei on August 27, 2013, 04:04:22 pm
the problem with letting her back in is that she runs the risk of getting into corrupt activity on a much higher level and this time with her HRH to get her into better places. She isn't just running through money like water, but acquiring it through borderline criminal activity.

She can't control herself and her scandals are escalating.

Letting her back in would validate her actions and it would also end up creating a huge amount of work for the courtiers, who have enough PR problems right now. People make mistakes, but not these types of mistakes; her only 'mistake' in her mind is getting caught. Not that her acts where illegal, but that she got caught.

I've read books about her and it's been a consistent part that she's never really looked at as marriage material and she is always part of the hard partying scene and at such a young age, she never stabilized and had a solid job and never managed to live a quiet solid life. She was always vampy and a kind of ski groupie.

Not one man she was with before Andrew wanted to end up marrying her, that is something that doesn't make sense.

Everyone is being way too sentimental and no one is really thinking of the effect that Fergie will have if she becomes an official member and then ends up screwing up as she always does. She will have her diplomatic passport, her "HRH," HM paying her bills again so she will have no incentive to change, and she'll live in the other palaces again.

As for being judgmental, no one seems to want to be seen as the 'bad guy,' so they don't say what all of them are thinking.


Title: Re: Will Andrew and Fergie ever go back together?
Post by: Snokitty on August 27, 2013, 04:37:44 pm
Andrew and Charles hang out with child molesters and Sarah is the one looked down upon. The NOTW piece on Sarah selling access was approved by Andrew because without his approval there would have been no access.

Sarah should be allowed back in the BRF because her daughters are royal princesses. I think Camilla & Kate are worse than Sarah and they are part of the BRF.

The royals deal with despots and tyrants so I fail to see how Sarah could be more corrupt than they are.


Title: Re: Will Andrew and Fergie ever go back together?
Post by: Jane23 on August 28, 2013, 08:06:23 am
Oh come on ... I think the marriage was done by the time those pictures were taken not even Sarah is that stupid ... and it's not like Andrew is a Saint ... it's only that he didn't get caught ...


Title: Re: Will Andrew and Fergie ever go back together?
Post by: Kuei Fei on August 28, 2013, 09:12:28 am
I get it that the RF is filled with a bunch of lowlifes, but Sarah is just one more problem that the RF doesn't need right now; chances are they'll be tossed out and I think Sarah is better as a mistress than a wife. Andrew had his messes, big ones, but really, adding another just makes it worse. I'm not saying it's right, but it's how it is.


Title: Re: Will Andrew and Fergie ever go back together?
Post by: Snokitty on August 28, 2013, 09:28:02 am
Sarah has proven by her ability to remain silent and take the blame for everything that has ever gone wrong that she is not a problem for the BRF. The Windsor have done much worse things than spending to much which they do anyway as long as it is tax payer money.

Sarah's problem is that she lacks self confidence and over spends on friends and family because she is seeking approval and acceptance. There are many people in the world just like Sarah.

The BRF =
A Queen who plays Ostrich when it comes to her family.
PP is an overbearing racist.
Charles is out of touch with reality and stayed with an ugly woman because she looks like his Nanny.
Anne is rude to the very people who keep her lifestyle for her.
Andrew will pull any shady deals he can get his hands on and is also rude and arrogant.
Edward is still hanging onto Mommy and seeking her approval.

The BRF are no better than Sarah as a matter of fact Sarah has a better heart than any of them and that is where her Beatrice gets it from.


Title: Re: Will Andrew and Fergie ever go back together?
Post by: Stephanie on August 28, 2013, 11:33:27 am
^ :thumbsup:


Title: Re: Will Andrew and Fergie ever go back together?
Post by: Adeline on August 29, 2013, 02:37:07 am
No way Fergie would be worse than Kate. I know that she's made many mistakes and embarrassed not only the RF and herself, but I kind of like her.  :shy: She at least seems to be a real person with a personality, unlike the rest of the RF.


Title: Re: Will Andrew and Fergie ever go back together?
Post by: sassafras on August 29, 2013, 03:20:14 am
I'm team Fergie & Andy! I think they should re-marry!


Title: Re: Will Andrew and Fergie ever go back together?
Post by: MOSAIC on August 29, 2013, 02:47:16 pm
I feel HM may be in a frame of mind to tidy up various strands in her family that need tidying, and for quite some time Andrew and Sarah have certainly been that. Also if there is a wedding in the offering for Beatrice and Dave, Sarah would be there anyway as the bride's mother.  Imagine if she and Andrew do not remarry her having to curtsy to Kate.  I think that would stick in many gullets, HM, Andrew's and yes Sarah's and her daughters..
I am hoping for the wedding to be held at Crathie before the end of HM's summer holiday.


Title: Re: Will Andrew and Fergie ever go back together?
Post by: AnaBolena on August 29, 2013, 07:56:35 pm
I hope they do get remarried at some stage.  I think both have grown, besides which, I always liked Fergie from what I did see of her.  She's always been my favorite.


Title: Re: Will Andrew and Fergie ever go back together?
Post by: Kit on August 30, 2013, 05:54:18 am
Deflect and redirect.  Spin, spin, spin.

This is classic PR.

The acceptance of Fergie, by the Queen and the public says everything about the BRF's current standing.

Camilla, Kate, Charles, Wm, etc...are so despicable that Fergie looks good.

I have an issue with Fergie's character and I refuse to lower my standards and expectations just bc HM has none.

If Andrew were a political figure, he'd probably have to forfeit his office after her last scandal.  I don't take issue with them remarrying as long as he retires from his royal duties.

If Fergie is let back in, Kate will never go away.

Obviously, things are so bad that letting Fergie, that breath of fresh air back into the fold is seen as a solution.

I see it as a setup, Chuck will use Fergie for a bit, to get support for the monarchy back up and then throw Sarah under the bus when he and Cam need to divert attention away from some other scandal.

The other likely scenario is that Chuck will use this to strip Andrew of his working royal status and start downsizing sooner rather than later.

There is a method to the Firm's madness.  Perhaps the Queen has had it with Charles and his boys.  Maybe she thinks remarriage makes the York family's position more secure.  I hope that's not the case.  Her energy would be better spent promoting Sophie and Edward.

The simple explanation is Andrew threw one if his fits and said if I can't stand on the balcony than I'm going to marry Fergie, again.  

I just don't believe any of this is about love.  Fergie and Andrew have a business relationship first.  Something's up and it's not a love story.



Title: Re: Will Andrew and Fergie ever go back together?
Post by: Jane23 on August 30, 2013, 08:35:28 am
I'm team Fergie & Andy! I think they should re-marry!
I think it's just paper work they are living as a married couple already !!!


Title: Re: Will Andrew and Fergie ever go back together?
Post by: RoyalWatcher on August 30, 2013, 04:16:26 pm
Fergie and Andrew were always my fav. royal couple.......I'm glad that things seem to have come full circle.

Let her in BRF....if you can let Chuck marry his longtime DIVORCED mistress, letting Fergie back in...with her full HRH restored should be a no-brainer.






Title: Re: Will Andrew and Fergie ever go back together?
Post by: Fly on the wall on September 03, 2013, 03:43:37 am
Could Prince Andrew and Sarah Ferguson be about to remarry?

THE Duke and Duchess of York are enjoying a romantic Mediterranean holiday amid growing rumours that they plan to remarry.


Prince Andrew and Sarah Ferguson have spent the past fortnight at a rented villa in the exclusive Spanish resort of Sotogrande.

The pair, who separated in 1992 and divorced in 1996, have described themselves as the “world’s happiest unmarried couple”.

The Queen invited the once-disgraced Fergie to stay at Balmoral Castle in Scotland last month for just the third time since she left the Royal Family.

Although Her Majesty has a soft spot for her former daughter-in-law, Prince Philip has described her as “pointless” and “odd” and would never allow Andrew to remarry her while he is alive.

Insiders have told how Sarah would love to do so once Philip has passed away and tells friends it is “only a matter of time”. The couple, both 53, were joined in Spain by daughters Beatrice, 25, and Eugenie, 23.

http://www.express.co.uk/news/royal/425983/Could-Prince-Andrew-and-Sarah-Ferguson-be-about-to-remarry


Title: Re: Will Andrew and Fergie ever go back together?
Post by: HRH Tiana of NOLA on September 03, 2013, 03:46:08 am
Could Prince Andrew and Sarah Ferguson be about to remarry?



Prince Andrew and Sarah Ferguson have spent the past fortnight at a rented villa in the exclusive Spanish resort of Sotogrande.

The pair, who separated in 1992 and divorced in 1996, have described themselves as the “world’s happiest unmarried couple”.

The Queen invited the once-disgraced Fergie to stay at Balmoral Castle in Scotland last month for just the third time since she left the Royal Family.

Although Her Majesty has a soft spot for her former daughter-in-law, Prince Philip has described her as “pointless” and “odd” and would never allow Andrew to remarry her while he is alive.

Insiders have told how Sarah would love to do so once Philip has passed away and tells friends it is “only a matter of time”. The couple, both 53, were joined in Spain by daughters Beatrice, 25, and Eugenie, 23.

http://www.express.co.uk/news/royal/425983/Could-Prince-Andrew-and-Sarah-Ferguson-be-about-to-remarry

Oh snap! Fergie gets an invite to Balmoral but the Midds don't? BURN!!!!


Title: Re: Will Andrew and Fergie ever go back together?
Post by: Jane23 on September 03, 2013, 09:37:09 am
So cool !!!  :bouncy: Go Andrew and Sarah !!!  lol


Title: Re: Will Andrew and Fergie ever go back together?
Post by: RoyalWatcher on September 03, 2013, 08:23:16 pm
I think that Prince Phillip is a selfish old coot........and with his history of philandering on HM, he should hardly talk about his ex-daughter-in law.

I hope that they get remarried!



Title: Re: Will Andrew and Fergie ever go back together?
Post by: india on September 03, 2013, 08:46:07 pm
Ditto


Title: Re: Will Andrew and Fergie ever go back together?
Post by: india on September 03, 2013, 08:59:22 pm
I cannot enter the Cambridges sites. It says "data error". Someone is mucking with us. me thinks. Any suggestions?


Title: Re: Will Andrew and Fergie ever go back together?
Post by: Kuei Fei on September 03, 2013, 09:53:31 pm
I've been getting that too.


Title: Re: Will Andrew and Fergie ever go back together?
Post by: Venus De Milo on September 03, 2013, 10:43:07 pm
I havn't either been able to enter the Cambridges site, it's incredible annoying.


Title: Re: Will Andrew and Fergie ever go back together?
Post by: serene grace on September 03, 2013, 11:50:23 pm
I just got into a Kate thread ,finally after all day.


Title: Re: Will Andrew and Fergie ever go back together?
Post by: serene grace on September 30, 2013, 02:51:16 pm
Quote

Sarah Ferguson-"He's still my handsome prince" fuels re-marriage rumours to Prince Andrew

The 53-year-old, who divorced the Duke of York in 1996 after 10 years of marriage, hinted that there might be a reconciliation in the future after admitting: "He is still my handsome prince."

The couple have always remained close since their public divorce seven years ago, after insisting that they would remain a stable family unit for their daughters Beatrice and Eugenie.

And during an appearance at a literary festival yesterday, Sarah refused to deny rumours that they were getting back together.

"He'll always be my handsome prince," she said.


"It's really lovely that we are still a family and the story has a happy ending all the time."


http://www.express.co.uk/news/royal/433326/He-s-still-my-handsome-prince-Sarah-Ferguson-fuels-rumours-she-could-re-marry-Andrew

 :wed: Is she hinting there's a possibility, soon?


Title: Re: Will Andrew and Fergie ever go back together?
Post by: True Brit on September 30, 2013, 02:59:35 pm
It's front page on today's Telegraph - just seen it. That does seem to be what's being hinted at. I wonder if this is why "someone" tried to trash Bea in the M at the weekend.

Is someone getting worried that the Yorks might actually be getting their act together?


Title: Re: Will Andrew and Fergie ever go back together?
Post by: Kuei Fei on September 30, 2013, 03:43:21 pm
Quote
Sarah Ferguson-"He's still my handsome prince" fuels re-marriage rumours to Prince Andrew

The 53-year-old, who divorced the Duke of York in 1996 after 10 years of marriage, hinted that there might be a reconciliation in the future after admitting: "He is still my handsome prince."

The couple have always remained close since their public divorce seven years ago, after insisting that they would remain a stable family unit for their daughters Beatrice and Eugenie.

And during an appearance at a literary festival yesterday, Sarah refused to deny rumours that they were getting back together.

"He'll always be my handsome prince," she said.


"It's really lovely that we are still a family and the story has a happy ending all the time."


http://www.express.co.uk/news/royal/433326/He-s-still-my-handsome-prince-Sarah-Ferguson-fuels-rumours-she-could-re-marry-Andrew

 :wed: Is she hinting there's a possibility, soon?

I wonder if the courtiers are working out escape routes and others are planning on walking into the ocean together.


Title: Re: Will Andrew and Fergie ever go back together?
Post by: Jane23 on September 30, 2013, 04:13:52 pm
^ I think to the contrary they would be happy to have Sarah under control again ... no one likes the idea of her on the loose ...


Title: Re: Will Andrew and Fergie ever go back together?
Post by: MOSAIC on September 30, 2013, 06:21:48 pm
IMO Sarah has a considerable strength that is needed by her immediate family, Andrew and the two princesses.
Regardless of the past she would be a great asset to have on side if it all went south because of WK.
I think she'd be more than a match for Carole, or Camzilla for that matter.  I think they need her, even if
some don't want to admit it.  Time to come back together;


Title: Re: Will Andrew and Fergie ever go back together?
Post by: RoyalWatcher on September 30, 2013, 11:24:26 pm
I'd love it if Sarah and Andrew got remarried!  With all of their faults...I look at their girls and think that they did something right together in raising them.  Besides a bit of naughty behavior (something to be expected for 20 somethings), they seem to be good caring girls!


Title: Re: Will Andrew and Fergie ever go back together?
Post by: HRH Tiana of NOLA on October 01, 2013, 04:05:24 am
I'd love it if they got back together. Fergie seems like the only one with enough balls to call them on all of their BS.


Title: Re: Will Andrew and Fergie ever go back together?
Post by: Kuei Fei on October 01, 2013, 09:07:08 am
^ I think to the contrary they would be happy to have Sarah under control again ... no one likes the idea of her on the loose ...

If Sarah is out of control, that is her problem and shouldn't be made that of the courtiers. She might be an asset, or more likely a horrific liability; she's still stumbling around with a wrecked life and can't get herself together long enough to change. The Court has enough problems and let her run loose and ruin her life. You don't have her chances, throw them away, and ask for a third chance; her first chance was a royal duchess and the second was as a divorcee who made money and lived very well. A third chance would be a slap in the face to those who have never even had a chance. So frankly let the woman sink or swim and stop leeching off of the RF.


Title: Re: Will Andrew and Fergie ever go back together?
Post by: rosielinks on October 01, 2013, 09:47:53 am
I'd love it if they got back together. Fergie seems like the only one with enough balls to call them on all of their BS.

I don't think Fergie will be calling any of the royals out on their BS as she will be so grateful to be welcomed back into the fold. I think she will say and do anything HM wanted. Fergie has always brown-nosed HM.

While Fergie has a kind heart and is genuine, she is dazzled by the wealth and status of the royals. She will put up with anything if PA marries her again.


Title: Re: Will Andrew and Fergie ever go back together?
Post by: Jane23 on October 01, 2013, 11:20:34 am
If they make each other happy I don't see why not wish them the best  :dontknow: married not married it's clear they never broke up ... and I agree say what you want about them but they seem to have been better at being parents and handling their divorce than other Royals ...


Title: Re: Will Andrew and Fergie ever go back together?
Post by: serene grace on October 01, 2013, 12:11:18 pm
I think it may have already been decided, they will remarry but they are slow dripping the notion out every few weeks or months, to get the public ready for it when it does happen.

I'm not sure when it will happen, but I have always believed it will.



Title: Re: Will Andrew and Fergie ever go back together?
Post by: HRH Tiana of NOLA on October 02, 2013, 03:19:13 am
If they make each other happy I don't see why not wish them the best  :dontknow: married not married it's clear they never broke up ... and I agree say what you want about them but they seem to have been better at being parents and handling their divorce than other Royals ...

You've got that right!


Title: Re: Will Andrew and Fergie ever go back together?
Post by: Jane23 on October 02, 2013, 08:18:47 am
^ The two never gave live TV interviews or participate in books behind each other's backs ... for the life of me I don't get why they are so hated  :easter-sly: ...


Title: Re: Will Andrew and Fergie ever go back together?
Post by: serene grace on October 02, 2013, 02:59:17 pm
A lot of people also like them and would love to see a reunion.


Title: Re: Will Andrew and Fergie ever go back together?
Post by: india on October 02, 2013, 09:18:01 pm
IMO, I think it would be a good thing. I am with you Jane23, I do not understand why they are so hated. There certainly have been no obnoxious greedy grasping tacky vile in-laws like with the Middlescum Buckets. Let them remarry.


Title: Re: Will Andrew and Fergie ever go back together?
Post by: rosielinks on October 02, 2013, 09:24:30 pm
I love Bea - she seems like the best member of the BRF to me. I would love her to become Queen.

If Fergie and PA regroup then it makes them a more stable/recognisable unit. To be honest, the RF needs all the help it can get right now to see off the Midds. The Yorkies could be a formidable force against them.


Title: Re: Will Andrew and Fergie ever go back together?
Post by: windsor2 on October 02, 2013, 09:57:03 pm
I wouldn’t want Fergie back on the royal scene again because the first time around was enough for me. Although she was fun and I really like what she brought to the royal family, after a while, she just didn’t seem to get when not to goof around (pocking men’s behinds with her umbrella with Diana at Ascot for example). She’s been given umpteen chances to get herself together and keeps on failing. I’d refer them not to re-marry so she can just chill with him in private. The minute she becomes a royal again, the media and others will start in on her and it’ll be back to square one with her only 25 odd years later.


Title: Re: Will Andrew and Fergie ever go back together?
Post by: serene grace on October 02, 2013, 11:28:49 pm
I wonder if Sarah decided to make a stand in the press, that she definately wanted Andrew back, after getting wind of Carole inviting Pr.Andrew to Middleton Manor for a shooting party at the neighbor's?
No way Sarah was letting Carole and the Midds get their paws on Andrew.

Quote

Kate Middleton's Family shoot up the social ladder

Who can forget those photos of Carole Middleton lying in a wet field at Balmoral wearing a wax jacket and country cords as she and her husband Michael got lessons in deer stalking from one of Her Majesty’s gillies?

That invitation to Scotland in November 2010 was the first real indication that their daughter Kate’s engagement to Prince William was imminent.
The Middletons enjoyed the experience so much that they took to field sports with gusto.

 But now they have acquired the ultimate badge of acceptance into the world of hunting, shooting and fishing

Over the weekend, they hosted a shooting party near their new £4.85 million mansion in Berkshire and confirmed their rise up the social ladder by inviting Prince Andrew.
 :Carole:
Carole and Michael organised a pheasant shoot at the neighbouring Bucklebury Estate, owned by their friends Willie and Marina Hartley Russell, who were guests at William and Kate’s wedding last year.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2224618/Kate-Middletons-family-shoot-social-ladder.html


I always wondered if Carole was going to try to fix Pr.Andrew up with Pippa or maybe checking him out for herself?  :-  :o
 
 


Title: Re: Will Andrew and Fergie ever go back together?
Post by: Jane23 on October 03, 2013, 08:31:54 am
^ Carole wouldn't want to cross Sarah ...


Title: Re: Will Andrew and Fergie ever go back together?
Post by: rosielinks on October 03, 2013, 12:28:14 pm
I don't know. I don't think Fergie is all that tough. She reminds me of an exuberant puppy, who just wants to be loved and have fun. There is no nastiness in her and she hasn't got the sheer calculated venom of Carole.

The person who could have dealt with Carole was Diana.


Title: Re: Will Andrew and Fergie ever go back together?
Post by: serene grace on October 03, 2013, 01:19:28 pm
 Many a girlfriend have tried to pull Andrew over the years and Sarah always has managed to back them off eventually. 

...but I do think Diana was quite adept at knowing how to put the sting in and Carole would have known not to try with William, if Diana were alive. It would have been quite interesting to watch Di in action.


Title: Re: Will Andrew and Fergie ever go back together?
Post by: Kuei Fei on October 03, 2013, 03:08:54 pm
I wonder how different things would be if Sarah were not allowed to live at Royal Lodge; Carole vs. Fergie would end up being entertaining, frankly, I think Carole would win since Carole has her baggage, but Fergie has worse. Fergie had her chances in life and bluntly put, I don't think Ferige has learned a single sorry thing about her mistakes.


Title: Re: Will Andrew and Fergie ever go back together?
Post by: serene grace on October 03, 2013, 03:39:27 pm
The only reason Carole managed to win William was because he was weak and willing. All of Carole's efforts towards others within the royal and aristo circle have failed, both Pr.Harry and Guy Pelly have warded off plays for their hands ,in wooing them towards the Middleton's. I don't think Carole is any more powerful than the subject she is stalking is weak or should I say, her power only comes if the subject she is stalking is weak to her ( and her family's) moves. I think she only is where she is now(gramps to future King) because William was weak and willing. She hasn't been successful with any other royals or aristos, she and Pippa have probably plotted on several we don't even know about.

I think Sarah although lacking a great deal of common sense in handling herself at times, definitely has known how to keep Andrew on the hook. I think at this point no one (not even Carole) could come in between that and I do believe Carole was making a play for him ( for whatever reason) with the shooting party invite.

IMO

I agree, it would be quite a sight to see Carole and Sarah battle it out.

I do wonder what dynamics will change if Sarah does re enter the HOW , would Sarah re entering even matter to the other RF members at all? Would Kate even care?  ??? Would others besides Phillip care, I wonder?


Title: Re: Will Andrew and Fergie ever go back together?
Post by: Jane23 on October 03, 2013, 04:52:45 pm
No doubt Carole was kissing his behind ... I think it was because things were tense between Kate and The Princesses ... and then we had Cressida  :cookie: ...


Title: Re: Will Andrew and Fergie ever go back together?
Post by: Kuei Fei on October 03, 2013, 06:29:37 pm
Quote
The only reason Carole managed to win William was because he was weak and willing

William also didn't have someone looking out for him; Charles was busy with Camilla, HM with her duties and responsibilities (apparently too busy for the prince who was supposed to be the next generation), and Harry had his military responsibilities and I don't think any of his friends were unwilling, but Kate insinuated herself quickly and cut him off.

If HM had roped him in, if Charles had not worked on Camilla and told Camilla to get on with it (like he did to Diana) then William wouldn't have been left floundering. If he and Harry had bonded properly and ended up a tight unit then I believe he would have been in a healthy family dynamic and he would have put Kate in her place.


Title: Re: Will Andrew and Fergie ever go back together?
Post by: serene grace on October 03, 2013, 07:51:06 pm
Yes that's true.





Title: Re: Will Andrew and Fergie ever go back together?
Post by: Mememe on June 22, 2016, 03:23:51 pm
Quote
In other photos Prince Andrew and Sarah Ferguson are seen standing next to each other. They’re not touching but you can tell they are just itching to hold hands but practice restraint. We guess 24 years of pretending you don’t really still love each other has helped the couple practice that restraint.
What’s going on between Prince Andrew and Sarah Ferguson? Are these two ever going to cut the cord completely? Their daughters Princess Beatrice and Princess Eugenie are grown women with lives of their own.

vivid imagination or the truth??

source: http://www.celebdirtylaundry.com/2016/kate-middleton-disgusted-prince-andrew-and-sarah-ferguson-reunion-at-royal-ascot-disrespectful-to-queen-elizabeth/?utm_source=laineygossip.com&utm_medium=referral&utm_campaign=pubexchange_article


Title: Re: Will Andrew and Fergie ever go back together?
Post by: cate1949 on June 22, 2016, 07:49:02 pm
I think Andy is still with Fergie because neither one of them can find another partner.  Andy has had girlfriends and apparently has asked at least one other woman to marry him. But he is so crude and pompous the relationships come to naught.

Fergie during her high life days in the US had no interest in Andy - she lived in the US most of the time.  But she wore her welcome out in the US - the Oprah series I think really finished her as it revealed how awful she is - she came off as self pitying, manipulating her kids and unwilling to face her own responsibility for the mess she made.  Oh - and it was clear she insists on being treated as "the Duchess".

They might end up together out of sheer inertia - who else would have them with all the baggage each carries?

Fergie and Andy IMHO are the perfect example of how sometimes a relationship can simply be two sets of pathologies rubbing up against each other.





Title: Re: Will Andrew and Fergie ever go back together?
Post by: Alexandrine on June 24, 2016, 03:46:37 pm
^who did he ask to marry?


Title: Re: Will Andrew and Fergie ever go back together?
Post by: Kuei Fei on June 24, 2016, 07:34:47 pm
I think he's been turned down since Fergie has made it clear that she isn't going to go away. Any new wife will have to live under the same roof, deal with Fergie doing interviews, among other who knows what antics.


Title: Re: Will Andrew and Fergie ever go back together?
Post by: Alexandrine on June 24, 2016, 08:02:38 pm
^yeah but I didn't think it was public that he asked someone


Title: Re: Will Andrew and Fergie ever go back together?
Post by: cate1949 on June 24, 2016, 09:58:42 pm
supposedly he asked Amanda Staveley who turned him down because she did not want royal life.


Title: Re: Will Andrew and Fergie ever go back together?
Post by: interrobanger on June 25, 2016, 03:31:41 am
I dreamed last night that Fergie announced that she was pregnant, and it was a serious escandalo! (And, of course, Andrew's kid.) How watching news updates about the EU Referendum morphed into a semi-royal pregnancy in my brain is beyond me...


Title: Re: Will Andrew and Fergie ever go back together?
Post by: Kuei Fei on June 25, 2016, 03:45:42 am
With Fergie, just about anything is possible.


Title: Re: Will Andrew and Fergie ever go back together?
Post by: kolkomilko on June 25, 2016, 01:06:49 pm
In my opinion Andrew is with her because he has pity on her and I think she would marry him again.


Title: Re: Will Andrew and Fergie ever go back together?
Post by: Kuei Fei on September 15, 2016, 10:17:54 pm
She had a free ride once she married Andrew and blew it big time. Messing with so many other men, spending like crazy, and go figure, all those messes that she made of herself post-divorce.


Title: Re: Will Andrew and Fergie ever go back together?
Post by: Val on September 16, 2016, 08:56:39 am
Her silence is bought as she knows all his very dark secrets according to those close.


Title: Re: Will Andrew and Fergie ever go back together?
Post by: kolkomilko on September 16, 2016, 09:29:28 am
^ Yes, it can be true.


Title: Re: Will Andrew and Fergie ever go back together?
Post by: india on September 16, 2016, 12:26:17 pm
He is not a nice person at all; however, for all of his shortcomings, he would be a fool to align himself with this walking disaster.


Title: Re: Will Andrew and Fergie ever go back together?
Post by: lesken on August 03, 2017, 06:35:13 pm
They are one couple that did better together divorced than married. And, I think they just wanted an open marriage all alone and couldn't have one in the Royal Family. So being divorced served them better.


Title: Re: Will Andrew and Fergie ever go back together?
Post by: Kuei Fei on August 03, 2017, 08:23:00 pm
Well, both are such a mess that all they have is each other. I do believe that she's hankering after remarriage and I think it will in fact happen. With Philip retiring I am certain we will see more of Fergie being part of the official retinue at Ascot and other places, maybe even garden parties.


Title: Re: Will Andrew and Fergie ever go back together?
Post by: Alexandrine on August 06, 2017, 09:48:05 pm
Many of them have open marriages more or less. The problem was that Fergie did not know how to behave. She was really not princess material in any sense.


Title: Re: Will Andrew and Fergie ever go back together?
Post by: HRHOlya on August 08, 2017, 11:04:02 pm
I guess this fits here?

They really are the FRIENDLIEST of divorcees: Airmiles Andy and ex-wife Fergie head to Scotland in a private jet with Eugenie to holiday with the Queen at Balmoral (but at least he's paying for the plane)

    Prince Andrew and the Duchess of York flew to Aberdeen to see the Queen
    The happily divorced pair were joined by younger daughter Princess Eugenie, 27
    They are expected to spend several weeks at the Scottish estate, Balmoral


Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/femail/article-4772776/Duke-Duchess-York-head-Scotland-Eugenie.html


Title: Re: Will Andrew and Fergie ever go back together?
Post by: windsor2 on August 10, 2017, 04:36:48 am
How Fergie fought her way back into the 'Firm': But as Andrew drives her to Balmoral, royal aides worry about the damage she can inflict on the monarchy
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Those familiar with the Duchess say that in true Fergie denial mode, she’ll be waltzing around the castle as if nothing scandalous had ever happened.

Yes, the toxic trail left by the Duchess is long and unedifying. But for the Queen, having her favourite son and his family by her side on her summer holiday is crucial. And if the invitation must, at Andrew’s insistence, include the ex-wife — then so be it.
In April, Sarah unexpectedly turned up in a semi-official capacity at Pitch events at St James’s Palace — despite the resolve of Princes Philip and Charles that she should have no formal role connected with the Royal Family. Yet the couple posed happily for photos together.

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Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/femail/article-4777058/How-Fergie-fought-way-Firm.html#ixzz4pJpICeMM
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Why the queen gives into this bloated over indulgent fool's beyond me. What a total mess. I'd quite as well if I havd to deal with him and this idiot he married.


Title: Re: Will Andrew and Fergie ever go back together?
Post by: CathyJane on August 10, 2017, 09:04:22 pm
Smokescreen for something else going on perhaps?


Title: Re: Will Andrew and Fergie ever go back together?
Post by: meememe on August 10, 2017, 10:32:05 pm
Sarah has been making this annual trip to Balmoral for a number of years now. She will be gone, along with the rest of the Yorks, by the time Philip joins the Queen.

Last year Eugenie reportedly took Jack and Sarah's visit was put down to Eugenie asking the Queen's permission to marry - a permission she no longer needs anyway so that excuse didn't wash.

The year before Beatrice was with her parents and it was Beatrice who reportedly was asking permission to marry - again something she didn't need by then and we all know how that ended.

The reality is that the Queen actually enjoys Sarah's company. Always has. But she also understands Philip's antipathy and so, just as at BP, she sees Sarah when Philip isn't around.

The York's go with Sarah so the Queen sees some of them as a family, if not all, but they also don't stay for long - just like Christmas where they stay at Sandringham for less than 24 hours (like most of the family) - the evening present opening, sit down tiara dinner, 2 church services on Sunday morning, lunch and the Queen's Christmas Message and then they are off, along with Camilla and Charles, Harry and sometimes Anne's family as well.


Title: Re: Will Andrew and Fergie ever go back together?
Post by: Tatiana on August 11, 2017, 06:26:39 am
  They have never really been apart.   Once Philip dies there will be no more sneaking around.


Title: Re: Will Andrew and Fergie ever go back together?
Post by: HRH Tiana of NOLA on September 03, 2017, 10:33:01 pm
^Right. Considering Charles was allowed to marry Camilla, I don't see how Sarah and Andy won't eventually marry again.


Title: Re: Will Andrew and Fergie ever go back together?
Post by: meememe on September 04, 2017, 11:10:10 am
Once the new baby is here - in about six to seven months time - Andrew won't need permission to marry at all. He will be able to marry whomever he pleases and keep his place in the line of succession and not thing one anyone can do about it. That is one of the major results of the recent Succession to the Crown Act - only the first six need permission and after the new baby Andrew will be down to 7th. If twins Harry won't even need permission.


Title: Re: Will Andrew and Fergie ever go back together?
Post by: marion on September 04, 2017, 01:06:28 pm
Well heaven help us because we are all to aware of the trash harry mixes with


Title: Re: Will Andrew and Fergie ever go back together?
Post by: Kuei Fei on September 04, 2017, 05:39:14 pm
For the life of me I have no idea why HM likes Fergie; Fergie cheated on her favorite son Andrew and was a huge factor in the cutbacks like the loss of the royal yacht.


Title: Re: Will Andrew and Fergie ever go back together?
Post by: HRHOlya on September 04, 2017, 07:49:58 pm
^^^ He won't need permission, but I think if they are to remarry they'll wait until Phil is gone, like C&C waited for Liz the q mum to pass first. Andrew's and Fergie's only true obstacle is Phil. Liz likes Fergie still and has welcomed her back, and she's with Liz but only when Phil isn't around.
If Liz & phil are gone, and no new babies come excpet no Cambs 3, then Andrew will again need permission (from Charles) and Charles doesn't have much right to say "no" if we're honest.
I saw in an article an old pic of Fergie, from c 2000, and she wore her engagement ring & wedding ring on her left hand ring finger, plus the Cartier trinity ring and I think also a signet ring. She might wear that set often and pretend they're still married...


Title: Re: Will Andrew and Fergie ever go back together?
Post by: Kuei Fei on September 04, 2017, 08:15:46 pm
I think that fantasy is a strong element in Fergie's life and I do believe that Fergie misses her "HRH" and misses belonging somewhere. Since her divorce she has been adrift and she's certainly been unhappy. Restoration to the royal fold would in fact be her one-upping Diana, who would never be accepted back in.