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Royal Families => Spanish Royal Family => Topic started by: Kuei Fei on March 20, 2013, 07:04:35 pm



Title: Letizia's Attitude & Behaviour
Post by: Kuei Fei on March 20, 2013, 07:04:35 pm
Look, this isn't about 'what others are doing,' (pretty adolescent justification in my view), this is about the FACT that Spain is the most ancient Catholic monarchy still reigning and Charlene is Princess of Monaco (should tell you everything, yes?) and the rest are not the future Queen Consort of SPAIN!

Look, I'm 29, which is why it sets be off that these much older women than me act so much more immature.

Why does Leti get to act like a giddy debutante, act like the maturity of an adolescent during a PAPAL INAUGURATION and I don't think her husband is aging because his role is stressful, but because his wife is regressing in emotional maturity and pretty much unwilling to get her act together.

I'm sick of it.

I stay up half the nights working and brainstorming business work and go figure, these idiotic tarts are running around merrily living it up and taking the monarchies down and meanwhile, there are endless numbers of decent women who didn't have a good enough sob story to attract a chivalrous prince and work on him.

As far as I'm concerned, Leti is no better than Mette-Marit or Kate or to an extent, Charlene. Felipe really ruined himself.

So I don't just Leti's relations so much mainly because Leti is hardly better. As far as I'm concerned, either she has to be made to grow up, or she will end up taking the monarchy down with her. This is beyond immature and beyond tolerable.
Now, Leti is forty, has been CP for over a decade now, and yet refuses to mature into her role and even get her wardrobe right.

She should have worn a simple black floor length dress and a mantilla with a veil attached.

She is so busy worrying about her fashionable looks that even during a simple historical Vatican inauguration that probably won't happen for quite a long time. I am at a loss as to how Felipe lets his wife get away with this that he dares to let his wife act in such a way at the VATICAN and towards NUNS! How dare she!

There are a lot of things that people don't do and insulting nuns or ignoring them is not one of them, definitely to be blunt. Nuns are respected by SO MANY and earn every bit of it! These are women with lives of sincere dedication and show that you can be a professional and live a virtuous life.

The future Queen Consort of Spain and she insults them.

I wonder, at what point is Letizia going to be brought into line? I'm not suggesting that he whip her or lock her in a tower and feed her on bread and lintels, but I would suggest something to teach that spoiled insolent woman a lesson on manners and a lesson on respect.

Too bad Felipe didn't marry someone who respected herself, he might have ended up looking less aged and haggard.



Title: Letizia's Attitude & Behaviour
Post by: partygirl on March 20, 2013, 07:44:25 pm
Don't know what you are ranting about. Letizia didn't wear inappropriate clothes, I have no idea how she was rude to the Nuns, do you have any evidence she did ? I think the new Pope was a bit rude to her and Maxima from the videos.
Felipe looks pretty good, he looks older with the beard. Borbons don't have good genes to age well, he looks a lot better than his sisters, father and aunts, Sofia also didn't age well either until she started doing cosmetic treatment on her face.



Title: Letizia's Attitude & Behaviour
Post by: Alexandrine on March 20, 2013, 07:50:32 pm
about her unfortunate behaviour in the vatican  http://esradio.libertaddigital.com/fonoteca/2013-03-19/las-tres-novedades-letizia-luce-pierna-en-el-vaticano-56510.html

Leti's clothes were so so. They could have been longer and less casual. Paola's skirt was obviously under her knees.

The pope was kinda rude to Leti but I thought he was very nice to Maxima, it was possible the longest conversation I've seen him having with a women. He also seemed nice to Paola and so so to Maria Teresa.


Title: Letizia's Attitude & Behaviour
Post by: Mon Roi Henry IX on March 20, 2013, 07:54:01 pm
^
Kuei Fei this is by far the best post I've read on this subject.

Letizia is 40 years old and will (maybe) be a Queen Consort in a Catholic country. Her behavior towards the Pope's Inaguration which is a historical moment in the world, and not only in the longest reigning Catholic country (Spain), how she treated those nuns was absolutely despicable!
And the short skirt is out of order in this situation. Particularly with a woman that is 40 years old, has two children and it is one of the main representatives of Catholic Spain.

I dare say KM may have had behaved more in accordance with such a solemn act than Letizia has.




Title: Letizia's Attitude & Behaviour
Post by: serene grace on March 20, 2013, 07:56:46 pm
Maxima and the Pope are being billed as Argentina's powerful faces on the world stage by some of the press.

Maybe Maxima's father knows a lot about the Pope's past dealings concerning Argentina?  ???

IMO Letizia has worn her skirts too short many times, I don't understand why she hasn't put that together yet?  


Title: Letizia's Attitude & Behaviour
Post by: Sidney on March 20, 2013, 08:22:12 pm


It's a disgrace how Leti wore such a short dress and snubbed nuns while go figure, she is supposed to become Queen of a traditionally Catholic country.

Not only that. As a Spanish Queen she will hold the title of "Her most Catholic Majesty".



Too bad Felipe didn't marry someone who respected herself, he might have ended up looking less aged and haggard.



Marrying someone who respected the monarchy would have been more than enough. That's Letizia's main problem: she's living a contradiction. How can you be of republican convictions and yet marry a Prince? And to top it off: an heir to the throne. I'm sorry, but some things just don't mix.



Title: Letizia's Attitude & Behaviour
Post by: serene grace on March 20, 2013, 08:28:13 pm
I sometimes wonder if Letizia is just plain stubborn and doesn't listen to anyone?
Her skirts have been too short on several royal outings, I wonder if she just doesn't care and wants to do things her way?


Good to see you again, Sidney.  :flower:


Title: Letizia's Attitude & Behaviour
Post by: Mon Roi Henry IX on March 20, 2013, 08:30:01 pm
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True, Sydney.
The future "Her most Catholic Majesty" just ignored some nuns and disrespected the ocassion with her short skirt.
Some Catholic Majesty she's going to be !

As to why she married Prince Felipe while she's a Republican? she wanted to be a princess, be fawned over and live oh! so very well.
The thing is that more and more we are seeing these future Queen consorts live and act like celebrities that want to be photographed without following the traditions of their respective countries. For shame!


Title: Re: Letizia's Attitude & Behaviour
Post by: Alexandrine on March 20, 2013, 08:39:52 pm
As the thread was going off topic and it can be its own thread I've splitted them.


Title: Re: Letizia's Attitude & Behaviour
Post by: serene grace on March 20, 2013, 09:12:57 pm
OK Good idea.


Title: Re: Letizia's Attitude & Behaviour
Post by: Sidney on March 20, 2013, 09:31:20 pm

Good to see you again, Sidney.  :flower:


Thank you! Sme kisss


As to why she married Prince Felipe while she's a Republican? she wanted to be a princess, be fawned over and live oh! so very well.
The thing is that more and more we are seeing these future Queen consorts live and act like celebrities that want to be photographed without following the traditions of their respective countries. For shame!

Yeah, that's what I think, too. She fell in love with the "fame and fortune" kind of lifestyle that marrying Felipe brought along. She just didn't see far ahead enough. She didn't think that some day the new would wear off and she would be stuck with a life she doesn't believe in.


Title: Re: Letizia's Attitude & Behaviour
Post by: partygirl on March 20, 2013, 10:35:11 pm
Maxima started the conversation first with the Pope, you can tell the Pope wanted to talk to her hubby, not her. If Leti had behaved like Max, she would have been 'insulted' for not knowing her place.
Leti wasn't interested at talking with some journalists at the reception, what's the issue with it ? Some people just had wrong expectations, just because Leti was a journalist, she should give special treatment to the journalists. Where is the evidence she insulted nuns ?
Her black coat dress is well below her knees.

http://internacional.elpais.com/internacional/imagenes/2013/03/19/album/1363678804_862365_1363685325_album_normal.jpg

please do not post photos directly just the link - Alex


Title: Re: Letizia's Attitude & Behaviour
Post by: Alexandrine on March 20, 2013, 10:40:32 pm
^^ the nun story is in the link I posted above. The woman speaking is a reknown journo in vatican topics.

It's not about her not speaking to journos it was a meeting with the spanish representation, catholic representatives and journos. According to people who was there is not that she didn't want to talk to the journos, she didn't want to talk with anyone and even then she must be nice to everyone journos or not, ending the meeting sooner because she wanted to go. Even if you are not interested you have to appear that you are. If you cannot do this which is the basic of diplomacy she is failing at her role.


Title: Re: Letizia's Attitude & Behaviour
Post by: partygirl on March 20, 2013, 10:58:50 pm
So everything started with Leti not wanting to talk to that journalist from a tabloid TV show, so what the journalist said later must be the truth ? If they had much integrity, they wouldn't have worked for those tabloid shows. I don't think Felipe and Leti could leave before the actual reception was over, she just didn't want to stay longer talking to the journalists.


Title: Re: Letizia's Attitude & Behaviour
Post by: Alexandrine on March 20, 2013, 11:03:00 pm
^^ if you don't want to hear the journo I linked in my post that's ok but the journo I'm talking about is not a tabloid one. She even has the order of Isabella the Catholic given to her by Juan Carlos so yes I do believe her when she says that Leti was rude to a lot of people in that meeting.


Title: Re: Letizia's Attitude & Behaviour
Post by: partygirl on March 20, 2013, 11:08:11 pm
Màxim Huerta was the one there, he worked for a tabloid show. Perhaps Leti has been angry at the rumors and lies of Montero.


Title: Re: Letizia's Attitude & Behaviour
Post by: Alexandrine on March 20, 2013, 11:14:29 pm
^^ There were other journos! Paloma Gomez Borrero says cleary she was rude. She is not a tabloid journo and has been given many prizes in her career. She doesn't seem a woman who would say anything against Leti if she didn't see it with her own eyes and was aghast at her attitude.

I also find her behaviour to Maxim Huerta deplorable. She should be above the talk about her. She should have said "hello, how nice to meet you here" and "how is it going here". That's it. She has an image to protect and no one cares that she was angry or whatever. The only thing asked of her was to make small talk.



Title: Re: Letizia's Attitude & Behaviour
Post by: Kuei Fei on March 20, 2013, 11:30:11 pm
So everything started with Leti not wanting to talk to that journalist from a tabloid TV show, so what the journalist said later must be the truth ? If they had much integrity, they wouldn't have worked for those tabloid shows..

If a journalist made her unhappy a long time ago, that's no excuse for rudeness in the present, ESPECIALLY for someone in her position. A lot of journalists get their main start in getting published in the tabloids. It's her JOB to humor the tabloid journalists, not the opposite.

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I don't think Felipe and Leti could leave before the actual reception was over, she just didn't want to stay longer talking to the journalists

Ignoring nuns?

This isn't about her! "Not wanting to stay" is a pithy excuse and sheer stupidity; is this somehow beneath her? Is she even aware of her roots?

Felipe has duties and people to meet and people he might WANT to meet and journalists are everywhere and she was one herself! So why be so distant? Why not meet nuns and talk with them and draw guidance? She is supposed to become "Her Most Catholic Majesty" after all in time.

I've noticed that since her marriage she has been acting as if none of what she has means anything to her and as if being by her husband is some kind of stressful strain or a waste of her time. As if she thinks she should be doing more important things. I'm sick of this modern attitude of Crown Princesses these days.

NONE of them (except for Mathilde and Stephanie realistically) are so intelligent that they can spend time drafting treaties and being involved in state meetings and such and besides, that isn't the role. If Leti has had such ambitions, why not get off her arse and do it before she marries at such a high level?

If a First Lady of the US ignored nuns, it would be splashed all over and the President's ratings would drop.

When I look at how Felipe guides her along, he looks like a father guiding his dippy daughter through an amusement park crowd.


Title: Re: Letizia's Attitude & Behaviour
Post by: berlin on March 20, 2013, 11:41:23 pm
At this rate I don't think Letizia deserves to be Queen.


Title: Re: Letizia's Attitude & Behaviour
Post by: Sidney on March 20, 2013, 11:53:31 pm
So everything started with Leti not wanting to talk to that journalist from a tabloid TV show, so what the journalist said later must be the truth ? If they had much integrity, they wouldn't have worked for those tabloid shows. I don't think Felipe and Leti could leave before the actual reception was over, she just didn't want to stay longer talking to the journalists.

Letizia is not a trashy celebrity who can allow herself the luxury of hating so-and-so because they write things about her that are not all about kissing her royal derriere. She's a Crown Princess and she should behave like one. Last time I checked, freedom of speech is still a right in Spain and if there are journalists who think Letizia is not behaving like she should, they have the right to say yo. And by the way: the journalist who said Letizia was rude and impolite was Paloma Gómez Borrero: a well respected journalist who is not exactly known for her sensationalists ways.


Leti wasn't interested at talking with some journalists at the reception, what's the issue with it ?

You know... sometimes I'm not interested in teaching the grammar rules of present continuous to students that are misbehaving and/or not paying attention. But I have to do it. Why? Because it is my job. And talking to the people who show up at a state reception is Letizia's job, even if she doesn't like them.

Some people just had wrong expectations, just because Leti was a journalist, she should give special treatment to the journalists.

We have a very wise saying in Spain that goes "No sirvas a quien sirvió ni pidas a quien pidió" (Don't beg those who once begged and don't serve those who once served). I think it describes Letizia to a tee.

Màxim Huerta was the one there, he worked for a tabloid show. Perhaps Leti has been angry at the rumors and lies of Montero.

Paloma was also there.


Title: Re: Letizia's Attitude & Behaviour
Post by: partygirl on March 21, 2013, 12:23:13 am
Paloma might be a well respected journalist, but I'm not surprised she is supporting Màxim Huerta since journalists support journalists, just common sense. That's right the press is free, I don't think Leti has an issue of people criticizing her with a point, maybe she just hates some lowly lives in the tabloid shows.  Leti has been behaving above the talks all those years, almost too nice to them, playing tough sometimes might work better, especially with those cowards and hypocrites.
I don't think Felipe still guides Leti, I saw a few times when Felipe told her to go to right side or left side, he was the one getting wrong usually.  I don't think she and Felipe left early from the reception, because it's not possible, not decided by them either. It's possible she and Felipe didn't stay longer than some journalists expected, but she had to get up early to go to the mass.


Title: Re: Letizia's Attitude & Behaviour
Post by: Kuei Fei on March 21, 2013, 12:44:27 am
Then why fixate on it?

Cripes, the woman is forty, old enough to take a proportional look at this and she is at a point in time when she should be blase about it.

There are limits and it's about time she started ACTING HER AGE!

At this rate I don't think Letizia deserves to be Queen.

I don't think so either.

What is wrong with Felipe (and his peers) that he limited himself so much to Spain? He might have married someone from Mexico or someone who wasn't presented on camera. He could have avoided marrying someone with the maturity of an adolescent.


Title: Re: Letizia's Attitude & Behaviour
Post by: Sidney on March 21, 2013, 09:54:31 am
Paloma might be a well respected journalist, but I'm not surprised she is supporting Màxim Huerta since journalists support journalists, just common sense.

Yeah, just like Letizia does, right?

Paloma told it like it was. It was not about supporting Maxim, it was about telling the truth. Of course, anyone saying anything bad about Letizia will be deemed as bitter and resentful. 'Cause she's perfect and can do no wrong.

That's right the press is free, I don't think Leti has an issue of people criticizing her with a point, maybe she just hates some lowly lives in the tabloid shows.

I don't see what her issue with the tabloids is. She's tabloid fodder, for God's sake! She is not famous for her intellectual/professional achievements. She's famous because she married into money and fame and not because she did something noteworthy. Does she expect to be featured in Forbes magazine? The financial times? She's just famous for being famous after marrying someone famous. Just like a lot of trashy celebrities. She gets what she deserves.


Title: Re: Letizia's Attitude & Behaviour
Post by: Kuei Fei on March 21, 2013, 03:46:47 pm
I'll be honest, I'm getting mighty tired of the high and mighty airs these CPs give themselves, all the while having done nothing of note.

Leti married Felipe after he fought hard for her because of her past.

Like it or not, a story is a story and she is a story.

She isn't (and never was) out and making diplomatic treaties, she isn't out solving economic problems, she isn't doing anything that is making her so 'above' being covered and interviewed by tabloids. I'm sick and tired of her entitlement attitude that she's 'better' than this.

I don't think the nuns were tabloid reporters who wanted to interview her, they wanted to talk to her since she is after all supposed to be "Her Most Catholic Majesty." Third, given her past and antics, I would daresay that she should be grateful that the tabloids aren't more vicious. 



Title: Re: Letizia's Attitude & Behaviour
Post by: partygirl on March 21, 2013, 04:17:08 pm
Can you tell me what exactly happened to the nuns ? According to Paloma Barrientos, the nuns told a group of people including Letizia that they were praying for the SRF, of course including Cristina and Inaki, then Leti left the group conversation. What's the issue ? There were more than 200 people there, you didn't have to stick to someone if you felt there was nothing to talk anymore.

Sidney, nobody here said Leti was perfect. I like her because she is not fake. She wasn't polite enough to Maxim Huerta, She might dislike him, even find a certain behavior disgusting, she isn't a saint, she is a human, she has her emotions.


Title: Re: Letizia's Attitude & Behaviour
Post by: Sidney on March 21, 2013, 04:28:56 pm
That's OK and I respect it. I happen to dislike her because she strikes me as a really fake, phony and self-interested woman.


Title: Re: Letizia's Attitude & Behaviour
Post by: Kuei Fei on March 21, 2013, 04:52:07 pm
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the nuns told a group of people including Letizia that they were praying for the SRF, of course including Cristina and Inaki, then Leti left the group conversation. What's the issue?

Exactly; she left and apparently didn't even thank them. She couldn't maybe go off and pray with them or talk for a while with them about something nice, would that have been too much? What about maybe making some sort of polite gesture that would have been recorded?

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What's the issue ? There were more than 200 people there, you didn't have to stick to someone if you felt there was nothing to talk anymore.


Explain to me, (I mean this as nicely as possible) what is it that was so pressing that she couldn't talk to a few nuns about something? I chat all the time with people I technically have nothing in common with, other than business and I make a sincere effort.

Is she so busy with important matters that she can't talk to some nuns?

It's not just this, but it's about how she keeps acting like she's so 'above' everything she is involved in, as if she's 'above' being a wife and mother.


Title: Re: Letizia's Attitude & Behaviour
Post by: partygirl on March 21, 2013, 05:22:14 pm
Don't you think she should stay with the nuns, pray for Cristina and Inaki ? Too bad, she couldn't do that, I don't think I can do that either. There were more than 200 people there, if she left one group conversation to talk to others, it didn't mean she thought she was above them.
She isn't perfect, so what, even the Pope isn't perfect, I found his attitude a bit rude towards to Leti or Maxima.


Title: Re: Letizia's Attitude & Behaviour
Post by: Alexandrine on March 21, 2013, 06:27:12 pm
Paloma might be a well respected journalist, but I'm not surprised she is supporting Màxim Huerta since journalists support journalists, just common sense. That's right the press is free, I don't think Leti has an issue of people criticizing her with a point, maybe she just hates some lowly lives in the tabloid shows.  Leti has been behaving above the talks all those years, almost too nice to them, playing tough sometimes might work better, especially with those cowards and hypocrites.
I don't think Felipe still guides Leti, I saw a few times when Felipe told her to go to right side or left side, he was the one getting wrong usually.  I don't think she and Felipe left early from the reception, because it's not possible, not decided by them either. It's possible she and Felipe didn't stay longer than some journalists expected, but she had to get up early to go to the mass.

Do you really think that Paloma Gomez Borrero is to taint her impeccable reputation to protect another journo who she may not even know? Just because they are both journos, really?  :-

Paloma was probably very offended with Letizia's attitude because she was the one talking with Felipe when Letizia decided she wanted to go. And of course they can leave when they want. What are the others going to do to stop them?

Don't you think she should stay with the nuns, pray for Cristina and Inaki ? Too bad, she couldn't do that, I don't think I can do that either. There were more than 200 people there, if she left one group conversation to talk to others, it didn't mean she thought she was above them.
She isn't perfect, so what, even the Pope isn't perfect, I found his attitude a bit rude towards to Leti or Maxima.

Paloma G. says that the nuns were going to ask about the health of the king but that Letizia ignored them. What both Paloma and Maxim said was not that she went from one group to another but that she didn't want to talk to anyone and was rude to many people there.


Title: Re: Letizia's Attitude & Behaviour
Post by: partygirl on March 21, 2013, 06:50:10 pm
So Paloma was probably offended when she was talking to Felipe, then Leti came and wanted to go, I have seen many times that Leti was talking to someone, Felipe wanted to leave at acts, two people always need some coordination. About nuns' story, I have heard another story such as the nuns wanted to pray for the whole family (including Cristina and Inaki), so Leti left. Whatever it was, Felipe was there, he could answer his father's health, not Leti's turn.  Since Paloma was offended, whatever her story was  :dontknow:.


Title: Re: Letizia's Attitude & Behaviour
Post by: Alexandrine on March 21, 2013, 06:59:00 pm
It's not only that she wanted to leave and her attitude was of someone who would prefer to be on other place but how she worded her desire to leave. Paloma explains it very well in the link I posted unless you don't know spanish of course.


Title: Re: Letizia's Attitude & Behaviour
Post by: partygirl on March 21, 2013, 07:20:20 pm
I listened to the link, since Paloma is a journalist, I'm not surprised she would find ways to support her argument.


Title: Re: Letizia's Attitude & Behaviour
Post by: Mon Roi Henry IX on March 22, 2013, 04:21:24 pm
At this rate I don't think Letizia deserves to be Queen.

I agree. A Catholic Queen that ignores nuns because she's so 'above' everyone. Please.
Fact is we know of Letizia because she married a Prince, otherwise she'd be probably married to some wealthy man that can pay for her botox, collagen injections and whatever else she has injected in her face. Letizia natural? NOT.


Title: Re: Letizia's Attitude & Behaviour
Post by: Mon Roi Henry IX on March 22, 2013, 05:13:17 pm
I don't know if you speak spanish or if you're as fluent in spanish as Alexandrine, Sydney and I.However if you're not, I'm willing to listen to the entire link all over again and type here all is being said.
You will have Alexandrine and Sydney to confirm if it is or not true what I'm listening to and typing for all to read here in english.

If anyone else is interested just let me know and I will do it.


Title: Re: Letizia's Attitude & Behaviour
Post by: memyselfandroyals on March 22, 2013, 06:55:15 pm
i like Leti, always  has. I don't know what to say ... :laugh:


Title: Re: Letizia's Attitude & Behaviour
Post by: berlin on March 23, 2013, 03:23:52 am
I don't know if you speak spanish or if you're as fluent in spanish as Alexandrine, Sydney and I.However if you're not, I'm willing to listen to the entire link all over again and type here all is being said.
You will have Alexandrine and Sydney to confirm if it is or not true what I'm listening to and typing for all to read here in english.

If anyone else is interested just let me know and I will do it.

I'd be interested, but only if someone else wants it translated.  I learned a couple of languages; I wish I'd have stuck to them.


Title: Re: Letizia's Attitude & Behaviour
Post by: serene grace on March 23, 2013, 06:11:45 am
Anyone know what was going on here?

http://fotos.subefotos.com/d2b2de3cbc68c9c8e62e0626fa4bed2fo.jpg


Title: Re: Letizia's Attitude & Behaviour
Post by: D.I.R. on March 23, 2013, 06:29:24 am
She was asking if she could put her purse on the table in the back.
She has a problem pointing, its rude.


Title: Re: Letizia's Attitude & Behaviour
Post by: Kuei Fei on March 23, 2013, 08:41:19 am
If the nuns wanted to pray with her for the health of the king, she should have paused for a while and prayed.

Second, she's been CP for a decade now and should be able to converse with people in that room, even if only for a few minutes with each. I do it all the time myself and I'm not being paid for it. Doesn't she ever get tired of acting like a moody adolescent?


Title: Re: Letizia's Attitude & Behaviour
Post by: Sidney on March 23, 2013, 02:56:32 pm
Anyone know what was going on here?

http://fotos.subefotos.com/d2b2de3cbc68c9c8e62e0626fa4bed2fo.jpg

An untimely picture. She was telling Queen Sofía that she was going to leave her purse on a small table that was right behind them. It does look like she's scorning Sofía, but she's not.


Title: Re: Letizia's Attitude & Behaviour
Post by: berlin on March 23, 2013, 06:33:48 pm
I saw the video and it's clear that she was not rude.


Title: Re: Letizia's Attitude & Behaviour
Post by: Mon Roi Henry IX on March 23, 2013, 07:34:21 pm
I don't know if you speak spanish or if you're as fluent in spanish as Alexandrine, Sydney and I.However if you're not, I'm willing to listen to the entire link all over again and type here all is being said.
You will have Alexandrine and Sydney to confirm if it is or not true what I'm listening to and typing for all to read here in english.

If anyone else is interested just let me know and I will do it.

I'd be interested, but only if someone else wants it translated.  I learned a couple of languages; I wish I'd have stuck to them.

Berlin. As you're interested I've done it for you. I can translate in spanish fluently and quite well in portuguese.  If portuguese is spoken to me in person I can understand it better than if I hear it through audio /t.v. Written words, I can do translations quite well.

Okay I'll will start with Part 1, as I have to listen and write on paper and then type here.
Whatever is below was said in audio link. I have NOT included any of my words except to give meaning of a certain word from spanish to english:

Many mandataries were there.
The Catholics Queens can wear white mantillas and peinetas (combs) only if they are Spaniards.
She seemed uncomfortable though her mantilla looked the nicest. The stockings should not be see-through as Letizia wore. Though it is not protocol she should had worn 'opaque' stockings.
The peinetas were not worn because of their height making others behind not able to see. It hurt her ( Paloma ) to see Letizia so desganada (uninterested, with no desire, bored) to be there, while Felipe was talking to his Cardinal friend and Archbishop of Toledo.

You can't arrive and just say as Letizia did :'This is finished. I think we are going to be thrown out'.
'Letizia did not like the ceremony at all'.
Maxima of Holland was proud to have an Argentinian Pope and she was very happy there. Paola, as Catholic Queen was happy as she was witnessing a historical moment.
"If you like it or not, you're living a historical moment of the Catholic Church. I would be so proud of having a place in such place of La Plaza de San Pedro and in the Pontification. Letizia was in a priviliged place. Many had to stand since 8:00 a.m. and tired. We are near he, that has come to serve us.  A man that is humble and here to guide us. A man that is there to serve and not to govern. One should be happy."
Letizia had said in another ocassion 'she had found the light of the faith when she met her husband Felipe'.

The nuns wanted to ask Letizia how the King was doing. Letizia turned her back on the nuns and left them. The poor little nuns with very sad voices said 'oh, she didn't pay us any attention'.
Not once but twice in consecutive days Letizia has shown she has not wanted to be in the two places she's been.


 If anyone is interested in the rest I will listen, write as I listen and then type here.




Title: Re: Letizia's Attitude & Behaviour
Post by: Kuei Fei on March 23, 2013, 07:52:09 pm
Oh please continue!


Title: Re: Letizia's Attitude & Behaviour
Post by: Mon Roi Henry IX on March 23, 2013, 07:56:55 pm
Kuei Fei okay I'll get on it right now.  :flower:



Title: Re: Letizia's Attitude & Behaviour
Post by: berlin on March 23, 2013, 08:15:00 pm
Thank you, thank you, thank you Mon Roi Henri IX!  I wish I were as gifted in languages as you.   :flower:


Title: Re: Letizia's Attitude & Behaviour
Post by: Mon Roi Henry IX on March 23, 2013, 09:47:58 pm
 :flower: Berlin,  :urwelcome:
I love languages because I love the people of the world.  

For Kuei Fei and Berlin, I listened for the third time and wrote on paper and then will now type here.


Here is Part 2.
All written below is what is said in audio link.  

Paloma: Pope  Francis did not want to ride a Pope Mobile encased by glass. I remember that there was a fanatic that hurt a Pope once. He ( Pope Francis) likes to break with protocol, more when it comes to security. He's fighting security and  protocol.
The Pope kissed Kirshner,for 'total protocol' on the side of Kirshner because she wanted to make peace with him as he is no longer Archbishop of Argentina, he's now a man that counts in the world's affairs and he's also a man.... yes, the Pope has to be close ...but ...the other day he stepped out qwhere anyone could had gotten near him and stabbed him...security was absolutely to the poitn of a heart attack. this morning he did want to go in his glass encased  Pope mobile.

Man reporter: Letizia's words of 'I found the light of the faith when I met Felipe', I believe in a relative way.

Borrero replies: She's like San Pedro ( St. Peter) she fell from the horse.
Man reporter: Yeah, well, she didn't fall off the horse. She seemed more to want the horse to run from San Pedro ( St. Peter).Well, maybe she treated the nuns like that because she was having a bad day, she was tired'. ( said with doubt in voice).
Borrero : When Letizia said nonchalantly ' This is finished. We are going to be thrown out' ( male reporter snorts in a mocking way in middle of her sentence), those being thrown out were us. We left running.

Borrero: It was a simple  and solemn but with much less solemnety, ceremony.There were no improvised words nor improvised humillity.

Borrero is finished. Goodbye words of parting with male reporter and she leaves.


Vatican Protocol Discussion begins:

A lady professor( Marina) of Vatican protocol is on the phone line....

Same male reporter: Has our president made himself ridiculous by wearing black tie?
Marina: No. There are no written rules. Only recommendations by the Office of Protocol of Vatican. Vatican has suggested : black tie, suit or jacket. From those each man has chosen what he has deemed best for himself.
Male reporter: Black tie is for night
Marina:  No. There are exceptions. We are facing an exception here, because traditionally for Vaticna events, black ties were to be worn. It's a tradition that has fallen in disuse but it is absolutely not at all out of proper protocol rules.
Male reporter: Ah! okay then our president has done it well. He has stuck to the most traditional and elegant of the traditions.
Marina: Yes. He has been most traditional and elegant. Markel did not wear hair covering. For women it is asked of them to wear no low cuts, no showing of elbows nor knees. Dress does not to be all the way to ankles. Here, Merkel has 'skated too much'.She wore a very electric blue, instead of black.
Male reporter:  But Letizia wore see through stockings and skirt not below knee.
Marina: There are not written protocol rules. However, you must apply common sense. It's recommended to go wearing solemn clothing . I would had  truly recommended to Letizia, to cover more her legs and wear opaque stockings.

Male reporter:  ( w/complaining tone) Yes, if she goes with mantilla, then please stick to expected attire according to protocol.
Marina: All Catholic queens can wear white. Princess of Monaco was wearing black. There is such a thing called ' the privilige of white'. What it's officially the title....applies to all Catholic monarchies .monaco is catholic. Traditionally they wrote black like Grace. Charlene and husband when Pope Benedictus met them after their wedding,she wore kneee high white dress. The press went wild !so much so that the Vatican had to say she too, was in the entitlement to wear black. Todayhowever, she wore black because she had felt uncomfortable and decided to be prudent.
For image, sunglasses are not recommended but they are practical.

Male reporter: Thank you Marina.


     :RUN:   Phewwwwww The End ! <<< my words :o
















Title: Re: Letizia's Attitude & Behaviour
Post by: berlin on March 23, 2013, 10:02:04 pm
Thanks again Mon Roi!  I just don't know what to say about Letizia's behavior.  One can only guess what she's like behind closed doors.


Title: Re: Letizia's Attitude & Behaviour
Post by: Mon Roi Henry IX on March 23, 2013, 10:14:34 pm
^^
Correction: "This morning he did not want to go in his glass encased Pope mobile."
I missed/skipped the word: 'not'.  :sorry:





Title: Re: Letizia's Attitude & Behaviour
Post by: Mon Roi Henry IX on March 23, 2013, 10:17:13 pm
Berlin,
  Again :urwelcome: always.

I don't think Letizia is an easy one to get along with. She seems moody and not always courteous as she should be.
Nowadays it seems simple courtesy is not in fashion. People are rude in blogs, in the streets, on the phone.Even royalty is rude!. I have a low ceiling of toleration for lack of common courtesy regardless whom it comes from. Worse when it comes from youngsters that think that they are equal in knowledge and entitlement of 'say' to their elders.
 


Title: Re: Letizia's Attitude & Behaviour
Post by: Mon Roi Henry IX on March 26, 2013, 04:48:57 pm
An article criticizing Letizia's clothing at the Inaguration of Pope Francis I:

http://www.libertaddigital.com/chic/vida-estilo/2013-03-26/lomana-sobre-el-look-de-letizia-en-la-entronizacion-del-papa-iba-de-pena-1276485910/?utm_source=9&utm_medium=maschic&utm_campaign=maschic

It says that Carmen Lomana strongly criticizes Letizia for what she wore.

Letizia in the enthronenment of the Pope did not look like a future Queen of Spain, starts her tweet. Her outfit in the opinion of this celebrity and collaborator of TVE, was 'atrocious', she should had worn a dress with mantilla with comb.

I suppose like this. Alexandrine is this correct?
http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-zNdC0Z-iuuU/T3inJpl5JWI/AAAAAAAADGM/V6tF-hpEHQw/s1600/Mantilla1.jpg


Title: Re: Letizia's Attitude & Behaviour
Post by: Alexandrine on March 26, 2013, 07:35:18 pm
^yes like this http://imagenes.publico.es/resources/archivos/2011/5/1/130423782291120110501-3813466dn.jpg Though for me the problem was not the lack of the "peineta" but that the skirt was too short. When she sat you could see her knees that didn't happened with Charlene for ex.


Title: Re: Letizia's Attitude & Behaviour
Post by: Mon Roi Henry IX on March 26, 2013, 10:36:42 pm
True. A  lady named Marina (a Spaniard teacher of etiquette and protocol rules)  said the peineta was not expected as it would be tall and it would obstruct people's view.
However, the skirt length was 'atroz'( atrocious) for a future queen.


Title: Re: Letizia's Attitude & Behaviour
Post by: Kuei Fei on March 27, 2013, 01:02:42 am
You wouldn't know she is a future Queen, the way she's been behaving. This however is a capstone to her immaturity.

It wasn't just immature really, it was brazen; she knows better and she knew the code and knew there were going to be expectations of modesty and yet she chose to wear an evening dress to a day event, short hem to a city where modesty is expected, sheer tights when opaque would have been better and she ended up snubbing nuns. The way that woman behaved, really, I think they should abolish the monarchy to prevent her from staining the throne sat on Queens from the past.

She doesn't DESERVE that title and authority.


Title: Re: Letizia's Attitude & Behaviour
Post by: partygirl on March 27, 2013, 05:54:34 am
There is no video on how Letizia did at the Embassy reception, but it's a lie to say Letizia had no interest at the enthronement ceremony, I saw the ceremony, also there were many pictures of her talking to other royals, politicians, was happy to be there, she was extremely polite when meeting the Pope, the Pope was the one who was rude, it just proves that nobody is a saint. 


Title: Re: Letizia's Attitude & Behaviour
Post by: Mon Roi Henry IX on March 27, 2013, 07:14:42 pm
^
I take it you don't like the Pope because this Pope is very courteous and humble.
I used to like Letizia but when these new future queens( KM is included) act like they can override what is expected of them in protocol and in the courtesy department ....well...I'm done.
Letizia and KM are not humble women (Diana was and Harry is). Letizia and KM were not chosen by the people, nor worked for the place where they are, nor by ' royal blood' are they there.They should be grateful and humble for the position they've landed.


Title: Re: Letizia's Attitude & Behaviour
Post by: partygirl on March 27, 2013, 11:03:26 pm
^
I take it you don't like the Pope because this Pope is very courteous and humble.
I used to like Letizia but when these new future queens( KM is included) act like they can override what is expected of them in protocol and in the courtesy department ....well...I'm done.
Letizia and KM are not humble women (Diana was and Harry is). Letizia and KM were not chosen by the people, nor worked for the place where they are, nor by ' royal blood' are they there.They should be grateful and humble for the position they've landed.


No idea what you were talking about. I neither like nor dislike the Pope, but I found him rude towards Letizia. I don't know if Letizia did the same to the Pope as he did to her, how many stones people would be throwing at her, just be fair. That's all in the video for everyone to see, not based on hearsays as Leti was rude to the nuns.
If you like royal blood, you have Cristina or Elena, both are arrogant and stupid. Elena is now skiing with his secretary who is a criminal suspect.


Title: Re: Letizia's Attitude & Behaviour
Post by: Alexandrine on March 28, 2013, 03:08:35 pm
There is no video on how Letizia did at the Embassy reception, but it's a lie to say Letizia had no interest at the enthronement ceremony, I saw the ceremony, also there were many pictures of her talking to other royals, politicians, was happy to be there, she was extremely polite when meeting the Pope, the Pope was the one who was rude, it just proves that nobody is a saint. 

Ok so we have to believe you but not a journo who was there in first person. The journo is biased against Leti but you are totally unbiased in your opinion?


Title: Re: Letizia's Attitude & Behaviour
Post by: Mon Roi Henry IX on March 28, 2013, 03:16:50 pm
^^
You said that "there is no video on how Letizia did at the Embassy reception",  however there were people that heard her and saw what she did.
You can refuse to believe Borrero's own eyewitness accounts because there is no video, but an eye witness does not need a video. Ask any court of law.
I took the time to listen( for the third time) to the link provided by Alexandrine, write on paper and then typed here what was eye witnessed and heard as many here do not understand/speak Spanish as you. You can read it and believe what Borrero said or not. However, Borrero is a very serious reporter and would not risk her job by making things up on comments she heard herself.

I  have never said that I have any particular liking for 'royal blood'. There is one royal I like much, Harry and not because of his 'royal blood' but because he's a down to earth person as his mother Diana was.
Princess Margaret, Princess Anne, Zara, and Philip have royal blood and I think they're absolutely ghastly! I find them not humble and too rude to the people they are there to serve.

As to your comment of: "it just proves that nobody is a saint". Though there might not be many, there are a few saints out there in the world.
 
In fact the people I most admire do not have royal blood: Jesus ( first in list), Ghandhi, Mother Theresa and others of that caliber.  


Title: Re: Letizia's Attitude & Behaviour
Post by: Kuei Fei on March 28, 2013, 03:44:41 pm
^Jesus, no royal blood?

He was of the royal house of David through his mother! God was His father!

If that ain't royal, I don't know what is!


Title: Re: Letizia's Attitude & Behaviour
Post by: Mon Roi Henry IX on March 28, 2013, 03:50:22 pm
^
Of course! Kuei Fei but I was talking about ' earthly modern royal bloods' such as QEII, PC and sons ect. You know the run of the mill royals . lol
Not the One whose Father was God.  :)


Title: Re: Letizia's Attitude & Behaviour
Post by: Kuei Fei on March 28, 2013, 04:48:26 pm
That was meant ot be a bit of a jest, an irony given my poshy avatar!

I just am sick and tired of the holy glorification of commoner brides as being better than born royals. Queen Sofia was a princess of Greece and has become a legend in her lifetime, Prince Philip has been incredibly supportive and there for HM, meanwhile Mathilde is scandal/baggage free and CP Stephanie has been problem free.

Yet, now, Mette is a leeching disgrace, Mary (Denmark) a walking parody like Kate and the others are just drama queens.

I'm sick and tired of seeing royal lineage being the main issue to people; it's behavior, not lineage that has made a mess of a lot of past marriages.

Leti symbolizes her own unique problem I have with the glorification of commoner brides; she has the gall to look down on spending time with people like nuns or the people cutting ribbons and making appearances as if she has to work on treaties later and has to solve several world plagues.



Title: Re: Letizia's Attitude & Behaviour
Post by: thekitchenmaid on March 28, 2013, 05:10:52 pm
Prince Philip has been incredibly supportive and there for HM .....

True.  And although he was of royal lineage he didn't have a privileged childhood.  He was shunted about between his older married sisters for much of his childhood and adolescence and he had no consistent parent-figure who was looking out for him.  There's a much-repeated story of him having to save his birthday money for a new coat. He must have felt as if he had no home.  His mother apparently had serious mental problems and although she did a lot of good, especially during WW11 when she aided Jewish refugees, she was seen as seriously weird by the RF.  At the Coronation she is the lone 'nun' walking in the Abbey procession.  To their credit the RF gave her a home in Buckingham Palace and took care of her. 

Phil has his issues but on the whole I think history will judge him kindly. 


Title: Re: Letizia's Attitude & Behaviour
Post by: Kuei Fei on March 28, 2013, 05:25:28 pm
I'm tired of seeing lineage held responsible instead of actions and decisions.

How supportive of Felipe has Leti been? He looked stressed and aged horribly and she looks and seems to act more and more adolescent.


Title: Re: Letizia's Attitude & Behaviour
Post by: Mon Roi Henry IX on March 28, 2013, 05:36:52 pm
That was meant ot be a bit of a jest, an irony given my poshy avatar!


Ooops! my apologies.  :sorry: I didn't understand your jest. It happens sometimes, when one reads a language that is not one's native tongue.
 :shy:

BTW...that Mary of Denmark seems such a pain. Worse than KM.
Look at her here geez! what a stuck up face.
http://www.replica2u.org/wp-content/uploads/2010/04/Princess-Mary-of-Denmark.jpg


Title: Re: Letizia's Attitude & Behaviour
Post by: Kuei Fei on April 06, 2013, 10:13:59 pm
She must be quite a piece of work if her own family is lashing out at her.


Title: Re: Letizia's Attitude & Behaviour
Post by: Alexandrine on April 08, 2013, 07:38:55 pm
I've found another journo that explains the same story during the Vatican visit

http://www.spiegel.de/panorama/vorladung-fuer-prinzessin-cristina-tiefpunkt-fuer-spanisches-koenigshaus-a-892421.html

it's in german


Title: Re: Letizia's Attitude & Behaviour
Post by: Snokitty on April 08, 2013, 10:01:15 pm
http://translate.google.com/translate?sl=auto&tl=en&js=n&prev=_t&hl=en&ie=UTF-8&eotf=1&u=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.spiegel.de%2Fpanorama%2Fvorladung-fuer-prinzessin-cristina-tiefpunkt-fuer-spanisches-koenigshaus-a-892421.html
Quote
Against the recommendation of the public prosecutor ordered the investigating magistrate José Castro, the 47-year-old for 27 April as suspects for questioning. Do not summon would be "violating the commandment that states that everyone is equal before the law," the judge said. It is the first time in the history of the Spanish monarchy, the judiciary is investigating a direct descendant of King.

The royal family was surprised by the summons. "We have been informed of the decision of the judge on the press," said a spokesman. Until recently, Cristina had not been publicly brought in connection with the scandal - which has now changed fundamentally, even if the prosecutor's own words, "absolutely no evidence of any involvement in any violation of the law" looks.


The royal family was surprised that someone had the turned the tide on them more likely.


Title: Re: Letizia's Attitude & Behaviour
Post by: berlin on April 10, 2013, 02:13:35 am
Letizia should have taken a chill pill when it came to her family.  They had no time to adjust to the situation whatsoever.  Maybe Spain should have Parliament approve royal fiancees.


Title: Re: Letizia's Attitude & Behaviour
Post by: Kuei Fei on April 10, 2013, 02:23:56 am
^I think they should be made to answer for stuff about their past to Parliament like Maxima has had to in the past.

She should have gone easier on her family and understood if they wanted to talk to the press. She had a lot of nerve lashing out at them.

I hope Felipe realizes the mess he's made of his life. Two kids, he might want more, but chances are he won't get them because Leti does not want them.


Title: Re: Letizia's Attitude & Behaviour
Post by: Sidney on April 10, 2013, 02:09:21 pm
Letizia should have taken a chill pill when it came to her family.  They had no time to adjust to the situation whatsoever.  Maybe Spain should have Parliament approve royal fiancees.

Letizia and Felipe dated in hiding like they had something to hide. All the other royal girlfriends endured the public scrutiny that comes along when you're dating someone as public as the future heir to the country's throne. In a way, they submitted themselves to the ultimate test: people's approval. These two did the compete opposite. Why? Because they knew that Letizia wouldn't stand the test of time (let alone, the test of people).


Title: Re: Letizia's Attitude & Behaviour
Post by: Kuei Fei on August 24, 2013, 05:21:28 am
You know, it shoudl have been a warning sign to Felipe that Leti was a bad idea if he had to hide her.

As for the recent developments, now Letizia is begging for space and time from her 'pressures' of being crown princess.


Title: Re: Letizia's Attitude & Behaviour
Post by: Alexandrine on August 24, 2013, 04:51:19 pm
 
 Maybe Spain should have Parliament approve royal fiancees.

They already do. The whole state finances are approved in a bill called Presupuestos Generales (General budget?), they give the RF I think it is eight million euros every year. This is supposed to finance their salaries and also to pay for some of their staff. More or less the king can do with the eight million whatever he wants.

However, (here is the trap) the gov gives them more money through the same bill but from other budget's areas. So no one knows how much cost us. Their residences are not paid by the initial money, nor their staff or security. They may get money for clothes and who knows what too.

So the main problem here is that the establishment is ok with whatever the king is doing.

The king behaves as he does because he had always have the approval of the establishment.