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Title: C & C visit New Zealand + Australia
Post by: Alexandrine on September 30, 2012, 08:06:33 pm
Union Jack banned for royal visit

http://www.stuff.co.nz/dominion-post/news/7750658/


Title: Re: C & C visit New Zealand + Australia
Post by: Snokitty on September 30, 2012, 08:54:49 pm
Knowing Charles he just wants the visit to be about him and not the Queen. His ego is enormous and in the end it will cause him more problems than it already has.  :think:


Title: Re: C & C visit New Zealand + Australia
Post by: YooperModerator on September 30, 2012, 09:47:49 pm
Err that union jack thing makes perfect sense to me! :dontknow:
I mean the NZ-ers have their own flag just like Canada and Australia why shouldn't they wave their own?!
Had it been about not flying the royal standard (which they won't do any way 'cause it's C&C and not HM visiting) I might have understood the reason for an article but now  ???

pagefiller!


Title: Re: C & C visit New Zealand + Australia
Post by: Snokitty on September 30, 2012, 10:00:34 pm
I guess I should have been clearer about the part I was talking about.   :tehe:

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Feilding Promotions manager Helen Worboys was sent an email reiterating the "key messages" on managing publicity, which included no remarks to be attributed to the royal visitors about why they were visiting Feilding and no mention of where they were going after they leave the rural Manawatu town.


Since the people of New Zealand are paying for the trip their Representatives and news media should be able to speak about whatever they feel is important to them.


Title: Re: C & C visit New Zealand + Australia
Post by: YooperModerator on September 30, 2012, 10:09:00 pm
Oh right, I see.


Title: Re: C & C visit New Zealand + Australia
Post by: Spice on October 01, 2012, 08:45:49 pm
http://www.scoop.co.nz/stories/PO1210/S00007/union-jack-ban-for-charles-sign-of-desperation.htm

It's interesting to me that the Stuff news website is running this article, and not the NZ Herald. They are the top two media outlets in NZ and are competitors.  The Herald is slightly more royalist than Stuff/Fairfax Ltd/Dominion Post newspaper.

I'm seriously considering following the royal tour and uploading pics and videos.  I will definitely be there for the Wellington public events... maybe try to start off some crowd booing.  Muahaha.


Title: Re: C & C visit New Zealand + Australia
Post by: Alexandrine on October 01, 2012, 08:56:38 pm
Please be careful, I don't want you to get arrested  :flower: but it would be nice if you could report on Camz and Charles


Title: Re: C & C visit New Zealand + Australia
Post by: Spice on October 01, 2012, 09:18:28 pm
^ :flower: Aw, :thankyou: for your concern, Alexandrine... I would be very careful not to get caught.  I am torn between wanting to protest my backside off vs being royal reporter for the day.  I think I will tend towards the latter when it comes down to it.


Title: Re: C & C visit New Zealand + Australia
Post by: True Brit on October 01, 2012, 09:36:53 pm
Spice you can achieve quite a lot by being an observer and recorder by being the eyes and ears and reporting back on what is said or done or happens. It's the stuff the papers don't show - the snubs, the police bundling observers around - you know the score.

We'll all be thrilled to hear what you learn on those days.

 :flower: :thumbsup:


Title: Re: C & C visit New Zealand + Australia
Post by: Alexandrine on October 29, 2012, 05:32:05 pm
Richard Palmer ‏@RoyalReporter
@britishroyals There's a very small UK media party covering Charles and Camilla's tour. It will make good copy. My paper couldn't afford it.


Title: Re: C & C visit New Zealand + Australia
Post by: Anastasia on November 03, 2012, 03:06:26 pm
Judging by the comments the couple is not liked much  :sigh:


http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2227246/Diamond-Jubilee-Tour-2012-Prince-Charles-Camilla-touch-Papua-New-Guinea.html


Title: Re: C & C visit New Zealand + Australia
Post by: Anastasia on November 05, 2012, 06:33:12 pm
Papua

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dW9UeYFYSDM&list=UUTkC3Jt91QkqNAE4FGWkEIQ&index=2&feature=plcp

Australia

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=IRFmg307-MI


Title: Re: C & C visit New Zealand + Australia
Post by: Alexandrine on November 05, 2012, 08:55:04 pm
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/femail/article-2227990/Camilla-cuddles-baby-kangaroo-gets-taste-life-Australian-outback-Diamond-Jubilee-tour.html


Title: Re: C & C visit New Zealand + Australia
Post by: Alexandrine on November 06, 2012, 04:46:30 pm
http://diamondjubilee.hellomagazine.com/queens-jubilee/tours/201211061230/prince-charles-camilla-melbourne-cup/1/

I don't like Camz but I usually don't mind her but today her photos give me the creeps, don't know why.


Title: Re: C & C visit New Zealand + Australia
Post by: meememe on November 06, 2012, 07:53:55 pm
To me she has looked wonderful throughout the tour.  She looks relaxed, settled and is really enjoying herself and Charles looks exactly the same. At the Cup she really looked comfortable - because she loves racing and being at the biggest day in the Australian horse racing calendar was like a dream come true for her and when she presented the Cup she positively glowed.


Title: Re: C & C visit New Zealand + Australia
Post by: Freya on November 06, 2012, 09:51:45 pm
What's the matter with Charles hands?

http://www.smartredirect.de/ad/clickGate.php?u=Fo6Pr2As&m=1&p=0oAj48ggLw&s=&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.smartredirect.de%2Fad%2FclickGate.php%3Fu%3DFo6Pr2As%26m%3D1%26p%3D0oAj48ggLw%26s%3D%26url%3Dhttp%253A%252F%252Fi.dailymail.co.uk%252Fi%252Fpix%252F2012%252F11%252F06%252Farticle-2227990-15DD8670000005DC-634_634x604.jpg

This does not look good and makes me wonder if the Queen reigns for another 10 years whether Charles and Cam will be up to it.


Title: Re: C & C visit New Zealand + Australia
Post by: Kuei Fei on November 06, 2012, 10:13:40 pm
Read here:
http://www.localhealth.com/article/hand-swelling
http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2012/11/06/ouch-what-s-up-with-chazs-s-swollen-hands.html


Title: Re: C & C visit New Zealand + Australia
Post by: Freya on November 06, 2012, 10:18:29 pm
^
It looks like a circulation problem maybe caused by the flight. Would he have been in the sun for long enough to get sunburnt?


Title: Re: C & C visit New Zealand + Australia
Post by: Snokitty on November 06, 2012, 10:50:15 pm
I have seen Charles's hands look like that before and it is not Sun or the long flight. I think Charles's has some serious circulation problems.

If he does there is every possibility that William will be King long before everyone expects.


Title: Re: C & C visit New Zealand + Australia
Post by: Freya on November 06, 2012, 11:03:42 pm
^
His nose is starting to look red and bulbous and he does not look healthy. I think that you are right about the circulation but the flight may have made it worse. He may also have high blood pressure as he looks quite red in the face recently.


Title: Re: C & C visit New Zealand + Australia
Post by: sandy on November 06, 2012, 11:38:08 pm
I don't see Camlla as radiant. She looks the same but her face looks like she had a chemical peeling to try to restore her complexion. Her skin looks moist. He looks old and gnome like.


Title: Re: C & C visit New Zealand + Australia
Post by: meememe on November 07, 2012, 10:56:13 am
Charles has had the sausage fingers all his life - Queen Mary even commented on them when he was born.

As for the red face - he has a condition that causes that (Harry has the same condition).


Title: Re: C & C visit New Zealand + Australia
Post by: Snokitty on November 07, 2012, 12:28:13 pm
It is not just the fingers being fat. Look closely and you can see the circulation in them is pretty bad.


Title: Re: C & C visit New Zealand + Australia
Post by: Freya on November 07, 2012, 01:28:20 pm
^
He has got sausage fingers but they are very swollen at the moment as the skin looks stretched. He does not look the picture of health.


Title: Re: C & C visit New Zealand + Australia
Post by: meememe on November 07, 2012, 08:04:58 pm
They look the same to me as they have looked whenever I have seen photos of them, with similar questions, over the last 40+ years.


Title: Re: C & C visit New Zealand + Australia
Post by: Alexandrine on November 07, 2012, 09:10:34 pm
Duchess Dolittle: Charles talks to plants, but as Camilla cuddles a baby kangaroo in Oz, she proves she's got the animal magic
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/femail/article-2228988/Duchess-Dolittle-Charles-talks-plants-Camilla-cuddles-baby-kangaroo-Oz-shes-got-animal-magic.html

Now Charles is holding animals: The Prince gets to grips with a rather troublesome koala on tour of Australia
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2229127/Prince-Charles-gets-grips-troublesome-koala-tour-Australia.html


Title: Re: C & C visit New Zealand + Australia
Post by: Alexandrine on November 11, 2012, 09:07:20 pm
Why Australia fell for the Duchess of Cornwall

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/prince-charles/9668875/Why-Australia-fell-for-the-Duchess-of-Cornwall.html


Title: Re: C & C visit New Zealand + Australia
Post by: sandy on November 12, 2012, 02:17:17 pm
Another writer bucking for  a future knightood. The trouble with Camilla is not her  hair but her checkered past. Treacly and nauseating drivel.


Title: Re: C & C visit New Zealand + Australia
Post by: Snokitty on November 12, 2012, 02:29:13 pm
http://www.standard.co.uk/news/uk/republican-74-arrested-for-plan-to-attack-prince-charles-in-new-zealand-8306508.html
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When the royal couple arrived they made their way along the crowds shaking hands and a small group of protesters could be seen holding up placards.

One read "Get a Job Royal Bludgers" - New Zealand slang for someone who avoids work.

A statement on the New Zealand Police website said the man from the Mangere suburb of Auckland was arrested at 12.40pm - around 50 minutes before the royal couple arrived.

It added: "He will appear in the Auckland District Court tomorrow charged with preparing to commit a crime, namely assault.

"Arresting officers had identified the man as a known anti-royalist who was, when arrested, at a royal itinerary venue although neither of the royal visitors was in the vicinity at the time."

The Prince and Duchess are on a seven-day Diamond Jubilee tour of New Zealand.

I suppose when it comes to the royals now it will be against the law to not like them. I thought one had to actually commit a crime first I guess I was wrong.   :dontknow:


Title: Re: C & C visit New Zealand + Australia
Post by: meememe on November 12, 2012, 08:15:52 pm
Well if someone only makes a threat and nothing is done about the threat and then that threat is carried out people will say 'why didn't the police stop this from happening?'

Making a threat 'or inciting to violence' is a crime in many countries (maybe not where you come from).


Title: Re: C & C visit New Zealand + Australia
Post by: Snokitty on November 12, 2012, 08:35:09 pm
The article does not say the man made any threats. He is an anti-royalists which wasn't a crime the last time I checked and he had the royal itinerary which is also not a crime.

Protesting is also not a crime in the Western world unless they changed the laws to accommodate the Prince and his Mistress.


Title: Re: C & C visit New Zealand + Australia
Post by: Alexandrine on November 14, 2012, 06:24:27 pm
http://www.gettyimages.es/Search/Search.aspx?EventId=155458565&EditorialProduct=Royalty


Title: Re: C & C visit New Zealand + Australia
Post by: meememe on November 14, 2012, 08:08:18 pm
The article does not say the man made any threats. He is an anti-royalists which wasn't a crime the last time I checked and he had the royal itinerary which is also not a crime.

Protesting is also not a crime in the Western world unless they changed the laws to accommodate the Prince and his Mistress.


Other articles said he was going to throw horse manure all over them - that is assault.

The police acted pro-actively not re-actively.


Title: Re: C & C visit New Zealand + Australia
Post by: Jane23 on November 14, 2012, 09:35:54 pm
She is his wife :laundry: and I didn't know police had to ignore a threat to a Head of State just because some don't like him  :June:.


Title: Re: C & C visit New Zealand + Australia
Post by: Spice on November 14, 2012, 11:48:18 pm
^He's not our head of state yet.  Many here don't want him to be, either.  But yes he is entitled to police protection like any other vip travelling as a guest of our govt.  If the police had adequate evidence that he was planning to assault them, then fine.  Otherwise it is OTT, IMO.


Title: Re: C & C visit New Zealand + Australia
Post by: Alexandrine on November 14, 2012, 11:51:34 pm
hey Spice have you go to see the couple in NZ?


Title: Re: C & C visit New Zealand + Australia
Post by: Spice on November 14, 2012, 11:59:48 pm
^I was planning to, but then decided I couldn't stomach seeing them in person.  I am finding the media coverage of the tour so sickening... our Prime Minister drooling over them, claiming that most people support the monarchy... what rubbish.  NZ taxpayers are paying all their tour costs but the govt is keeping the amount secret... PM also having secret meeting with him... I'm disgusted that he has such access to our govt and can pressure/influence them as he pleases without any accountability to NZ citizens.  It's a disgrace.  I wish someone had been able to protest and show the world we are not all sycophants.  I don't support the idea of anyone assaulting them, of  course (someone here threw an egg at the Queen in the 1980s) but I would have liked to see some coverage of peaceful protest.  The next stop in the tour is Christchurch, which is probably the most "loyal"/royalist part of the country. 


Title: Re: C & C visit New Zealand + Australia
Post by: Jane23 on November 15, 2012, 12:28:52 pm
He is Prince of Wales so of course he is a head of State  :June:


Wales Listeni/ˈweɪlz/ (Welsh: Cymru; Welsh pronunciation: [ˈkəm.rɨ] ( listen)) is a country that is part of the United Kingdom and the island of Great Britain,[2] bordered by England to its east and the Atlantic Ocean and Irish Sea to its west. It had a population in 2011 of 3,064,000, and has a total area of 20,779 km2 (8,023 sq mi). Wales has over 1,200 km (750 mi) of coastline, and is largely mountainous, with its highest peaks in the north and central areas, including Snowdon (Yr Wyddfa), its highest summit. The country lies within the north temperate zone, and has a changeable, maritime climate.



Although Wales shares a close political and social history with the rest of Great Britain, and almost everyone speaks English, the country has retained a distinct cultural identity and is officially bilingual. Over 580,000 Welsh language speakers live in Wales, where it is spoken by a majority of the population in parts of the north and west. From the late 19th century onwards, Wales acquired its popular image as the "land of song", attributable in part to the eisteddfod tradition. At international sporting events, such as the FIFA World Cup, Rugby World Cup and the Commonwealth Games, Wales is represented by national teams, though at the Olympic Games, Welsh athletes compete as part of a Great Britain team. Rugby union is seen as a symbol of Welsh identity and an expression of national consciousness.




Wales is a country that is part of the United Kingdom.[2][99] Constitutionally, the UK is a de jure, unitary state, its parliament and government in Westminster. In the House of Commons – the lower house of the UK government – Wales is represented by 40 MPs (of 650) from Welsh constituencies. Labour MPs hold 26 of the 40 seats, the Liberal Democrats hold three seats, Plaid Cymru, three and the Conservatives, eight. A Secretary of State for Wales sits in the UK cabinet and is responsible for representing matters pertaining to Wales. The Wales Office is a department of the United Kingdom government, responsible for Wales. Cheryl Gillan has been Secretary of State for Wales since 12 May 2010, replacing Peter Hain of the previous Labour administration. Gillan was appointed to the new Conservative-Liberal Democrat coalition Westminster government following the United Kingdom general election of 2010.[100]


The Flag of Wales incorporates the red dragon (Y Ddraig Goch) of Prince Cadwalader along with the Tudor colours of green and white.[318] It was used by Henry VII at the Battle of Bosworth in 1485 after which it was carried in state to St. Paul's Cathedral.[318] The red dragon was then included in the Tudor royal arms to signify their Welsh descent. It was officially recognised as the Welsh national flag in 1959.[319] The British Union Flag incorporates the flags of Scotland, Ireland and England, but has no Welsh representation. Technically it is represented by the flag of England, as the Laws in Wales act of 1535 annexed Wales to England, following the 13th-century conquest.


The Prince of Wales' heraldic badge is also sometimes used to symbolise Wales. The badge, known as the Prince of Wales's feathers, consists of three white feathers emerging from a gold coronet. A ribbon below the coronet bears the German motto Ich dien (I serve). Several Welsh representative teams, including the Welsh rugby union, and Welsh regiments in the British Army (the Royal Welsh, for example) use the badge, or a stylised version of it. The Prince of Wales has claimed that only he has the authority to use the symbol.[321]

"Hen Wlad fy Nhadau" (English: Land of My Fathers) is the National Anthem of Wales, and is played at events such as football or rugby matches involving the Wales national team as well as the opening of the Welsh Assembly and other official occasions.[322][323] "God Save the Queen", the national anthem of the United Kingdom, is sometimes played alongside Hen Wlad fy Nhadau during official events with a royal connection.[324]


Title: Re: C & C visit New Zealand + Australia
Post by: Snokitty on November 15, 2012, 02:41:02 pm
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Wales is a country that is part of the United Kingdom

The Queen is the Head of State. 


Title: Re: C & C visit New Zealand + Australia
Post by: Jane23 on November 15, 2012, 05:57:49 pm
^ Who crowned him Prince of Wales ...anyways it depends on whenever you consider Wales a State which personally I do...


Title: Re: C & C visit New Zealand + Australia
Post by: sandy on November 15, 2012, 06:16:22 pm
If Charles is a "head of state" where was his coronation? He had an investiture as Prince of Wales conferred on him by his mother, the Head of State QE II. His mother also decided when he would get the title Prince of Wales and when he would have his investitute. The people of Wales consider the Queen as Head of State. There have been Princes of Wales for centuries but the monarch is always the Head of State.  For instance Prince Arthur of Wales set up a household and court at Ludlow Castle but he did not rule Wales, his father Henry VII did. If there were need for a "head of state" in Wales George VI would have named his daughter Princess of Wales which he could have done. But he believed the Princess of Wales should be wife of the heir to the throne not an heiress presumptive to the throne. It didn't matter since their head of state was George VI himself and there were no demands by the people that Princess Elizabeth 'rule: them.


Title: Re: C & C visit New Zealand + Australia
Post by: True Brit on November 15, 2012, 06:39:20 pm
^ Agree Sandy and what many people, perhaps most, don't realise is the investiture ceremony at Carnaervon Castle was a complete 20th century fabrication invented by the RF on behalf of the RF.



Title: Re: C & C visit New Zealand + Australia
Post by: Alexandrine on November 15, 2012, 06:51:40 pm
Charles doesn't get a treatment as head of state when he goes out of the country. He's just QE's heir. This is the very first time that I've heard him considered as one.


Title: Re: C & C visit New Zealand + Australia
Post by: Spice on November 15, 2012, 08:29:59 pm
Jane are you even a citizen of the UK or any commonwealth realm?  Or are you American?  Dearie, I live in NZ, which is a country that has QEII as its head of state.  Her heir is currently visiting my country.  I suggest you let it go when you stumble onto a subject you know nothing about.  This discussion was about the arrest of a protester, and Charles being entitled to police protection as a VIP, not as a head of state. We have countless VIPs visit NZ every year and only a handful of them are heads of state.  Just let it go.


Title: Re: C & C visit New Zealand + Australia
Post by: meememe on November 15, 2012, 08:57:06 pm
^I was planning to, but then decided I couldn't stomach seeing them in person.  I am finding the media coverage of the tour so sickening... our Prime Minister drooling over them, claiming that most people support the monarchy... what rubbish.  NZ taxpayers are paying all their tour costs but the govt is keeping the amount secret... PM also having secret meeting with him... I'm disgusted that he has such access to our govt and can pressure/influence them as he pleases without any accountability to NZ citizens.  It's a disgrace.  I wish someone had been able to protest and show the world we are not all sycophants.  I don't support the idea of anyone assaulting them, of  course (someone here threw an egg at the Queen in the 1980s) but I would have liked to see some coverage of peaceful protest.  The next stop in the tour is Christchurch, which is probably the most "loyal"/royalist part of the country. 


When did Charles had a 'secret' meeting with the PM and if it was a 'secret meeting' how do you know about it?

The Court Circular records Charles as having a private meeting with the PM and with the Leader of the Opposition - as he did in Australia and PNG.  That is normal protocol on these visit - a private formal meeting between the representative of The Queen (the Head of State of NZ) and the PM.  It doesn't happen when they are making a visit at which they aren't formally representing The Queen. 


Title: Re: C & C visit New Zealand + Australia
Post by: Spice on November 15, 2012, 09:07:41 pm
^Private/secret whatever... I object to a representative of my hereditary head of state having a private meeting with my elected political leader.  I also object to having QEII as my head of state, much as I admire the individual herself.  She's a lovely old dear, but I do wish she'd stay out of my democracy.


Title: Re: C & C visit New Zealand + Australia
Post by: Jane23 on November 15, 2012, 10:07:58 pm
@ Spice Who talked about NZ? We were talking about Wales and how he is the boss there given that he is Prince of Wales and all  :sly: you don't need a Master or anything to figure that one out...all you need is Google :


 Created Prince of Wales
Main article: Investiture of the Prince of Wales


Charles was created Prince of Wales and Earl of Chester on 26 July 1958,[9][10] though his investiture as such was not conducted until 1 July 1969, wherein he was crowned by his mother in a televised ceremony held at Caernarfon Castle, and gave his replies and speech in both Welsh and English.[11] The following year he took his seat in the House of Lords,[12] and later in the decade became the first member of the Royal Family since King George I to attend a British Cabinet meeting, having been invited by Prime Minister James Callaghan so that the Prince might see the workings of the British government and Cabinet at first hand




Title: Re: C & C visit New Zealand + Australia
Post by: Alexandrine on November 15, 2012, 10:23:09 pm
If you are going to use wiki just check the Wales page http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wales especially where it says monarch: Elizabeth II.

Charles is also the duke of cornwall and he is not the "boss" there either, right now he only bosses the duchy of cornwall although he tries with the black spider memos.

He doesn't get anywhere treatment as a head of state.


Title: Re: C & C visit New Zealand + Australia
Post by: June on November 16, 2012, 02:27:58 am
Jane are you even a citizen of the UK or any commonwealth realm?  Or are you American?  Dearie, I live in NZ, which is a country that has QEII as its head of state.  Her heir is currently visiting my country.  I suggest you let it go when you stumble onto a subject you know nothing about.  This discussion was about the arrest of a protester, and Charles being entitled to police protection as a VIP, not as a head of state. We have countless VIPs visit NZ every year and only a handful of them are heads of state.  Just let it go.

:thumbsup:

The form of government that is the Constitutional Monarchy - no matter, or because of, devotion to royalty itself, sometimes needs explanation.

Charles has no power as Head of State (under the Australian Constitution), even when representing the Queen. His visit is ceremonial only. The 'Queen' is actually styled in the Constitution because the GG is her representative.

If the Queen became so infirm such that she was ill to discharge her duty, she would be replaced by her heir or successor, according to law.




Title: Re: C & C visit New Zealand + Australia
Post by: Spice on November 16, 2012, 02:52:46 am
Jane, you were the one who introduced this concept of "head of state" visiting NZ needing police protection - the incident occurred in NZ, we were all talking about NZ, this is the country that you think he is head of state of, by virtue of his ceremonial-only title PoW, LOL. 

HM is pretty old, bless her, but she ain't dead yet!


Title: Re: C & C visit New Zealand + Australia
Post by: June on November 16, 2012, 03:02:17 am
^ Correct again, Spice. Ceremony doesn't come into in my Constitution. It is a matter of law (refer my post above).

The Australian people will ultimately decide if Charles becomes King in Oz - not HM, the dear lady. I'm personally very fond of her, she has served us well.


Title: Re: C & C visit New Zealand + Australia
Post by: Spice on November 16, 2012, 03:11:22 am
Yes and the people of each commonwealth realm will ultimately get to decide, if there is enough support for referenda and the like.  I think this trip has been very carefully tailored to drum up maximum support for Charles-as-King in each country they've visited.  I don't know much about PNG except they have enough problems feeding their people let alone think about constitutional reform at the moment.  But for AU and NZ, I'm sure when they were planning the jubilee year, there's a reason they sent C&C here, and at the end of the year.  The trick seems to have worked for now,  but I guarantee it will not be as smooth sailing when people face up to actually having them on our thrones.


Title: Re: C & C visit New Zealand + Australia
Post by: June on November 16, 2012, 04:08:15 am
Definitely so. I also think it was a strategic move to send Charles and Camilla, rather than William and Kate. The BRF knows that Charles is the hurdle to sell the monarchy to Oz and NZ.

William might win the people over, but he is not next in line. The good news is that the BRF knows that pushing W & K down the throats of the Commonwealth will only work for a limited time. As you say, what counts is who will actually be sitting on the throne after HM passes.


Title: Re: C & C visit New Zealand + Australia
Post by: Freya on November 16, 2012, 10:40:45 am
Jane,

POW is just a hereditary title. I don't think that Charles even owns a property in Wales but I will stand corrected on that one. Most Welsh people do not recognise Charles as the Prince of Wales. They recognise Llewellyn as the last Prince of Wales.


Title: Re: C & C visit New Zealand + Australia
Post by: True Brit on November 16, 2012, 11:43:36 am
Jane - Charles does not sit in the House of Lords as the hereditary peers have been abolished. I said earlier that the investiture ceremony at Caernarvon was simply a piece of theatre dreamt up by a creative team on behalf of the Royal Family - it has no historic precedent.

A good friend of mine worked on the staging and worked alongsde the then Anthony Armstrong Jones who was also involved inthe project.

Prince of Wales is simply a title and he is definitely not the "boss of Wales". Wales is simply another part of the UK albeit recognised as having it's own character, culture and language. It has devolved regional government but shares its legal system with England.

Freya here is a property in Wales which belongs to the Duchy of Cornwall which was acquired fairly recently. I have read he is supposed to stay in it when visiting Wales but that won't be often. The rest of the time I think it's a holiday let.

Otherwise completely agree with you re the Welsh - fiercely proud and hard working and they have produced some radica politicians - Nye Bevin who introduced the NHS, David Loyd George who introduced old age pensions (mind you alos sold peerages too) and others.

There is the story of the Duke of Windsor when, as POW, visited the miners in the valleys of South Wales in the 1930s when conditions were beyond hard. The newsreel always shows them cheering but in actual fact he was met with boos and jeers - they *despise* being patronised.



Title: Re: C & C visit New Zealand + Australia
Post by: Alexandrine on November 16, 2012, 01:32:02 pm
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2233829/Prince-Charles-takes-spin-dancefloor-New-Zealand.html

we know now where William got his moves...


Title: Re: C & C visit New Zealand + Australia
Post by: meememe on November 16, 2012, 08:21:52 pm
Jane,

POW is just a hereditary title. I don't think that Charles even owns a property in Wales but I will stand corrected on that one. Most Welsh people do not recognise Charles as the Prince of Wales. They recognise Llewellyn as the last Prince of Wales.


Small correction - POW isn't an hereditary title.  It has to be created anew each time.

When The Queen dies and Charles becomes King, William will automatically become Duke of Cornwall but will have to wait for his father to create him Prince of Wales (The Queen waited until 1958 for Charles who automatically become Duke of Cornwall when she became Queen).


Title: Re: C & C visit New Zealand + Australia
Post by: meememe on November 16, 2012, 08:24:28 pm
^Private/secret whatever... I object to a representative of my hereditary head of state having a private meeting with my elected political leader.  I also object to having QEII as my head of state, much as I admire the individual herself.  She's a lovely old dear, but I do wish she'd stay out of my democracy.


You do realise that these private meetings with the Head of Government and the Leader of the Opposition are standard diplomatic meetings that occur during official visits by a Head of State or by their official representative e.g. if the VP of the US visited NZ as the official representative of the president he/she would also have these meetings but if he/she visited in their own capacity of VP then the meeting wouldn't take place.  It is part of the diplomatic niceties between nations and nothing more.