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Title: Books on the British Royal Family
Post by: Mooster on September 11, 2012, 11:39:32 pm
There are so many books out there, it would be good if we could have a dedicated thread where forum members can go to find recommended (or not) reading material.  I'll start: (mods if I've put in too many spoilers, please edit for me  :thumbsup: )

The Diana Chronicles by Tina Brown:-  This contained some interesting information about Diana's mother Frances and her background which I haven't read in other books.

The Killing of a Princess by Nicholas Davies:-  I'm about two thirds of the way through this book. Strangely, I had to have this shipped in from the USA because it's not available in the UK  :dontknow:  Lots of detail about Diana as a person, particularly the dark side of her character - however, it balances it out with glowing references to her charitable work.  It also raises strongly the probability of Harry not being sired by Charles.  Also, it says that Diana was not a virgin and was already sleeping with Charles before their marriage.

The Housekeeper's Diary:-  Again, banned it Britain and I had to have it shipped in from the USA.  Fascinating behind the scenes staff account of life at Highgrove - a real eye opener.


Title: Re: Books on the British Royal Family
Post by: Cressida on September 11, 2012, 11:59:45 pm
I've probably read or own every book written about Diana since 1981. Also have read a few on the Duchess of York and have a few on the Queen. Am interested in history too - especially the Romanovs.


Title: Re: Books on the British Royal Family
Post by: Mooster on September 12, 2012, 12:22:01 am
Cressida - are there any you particulaly recommend?  I'm interested not only in Diana, but in the BRF past and present - I also like books about Royalty that introduce new ideas or new perspectives on old ones.


Title: Re: Books on the British Royal Family
Post by: Snokitty on September 12, 2012, 12:24:44 am
Mooster does The Killing of a Princess explain how he knows Diana wasn't a Virgin or that she was having sex with Charles?


Title: Re: Books on the British Royal Family
Post by: Mooster on September 12, 2012, 12:46:56 am
^ Yes, he does.


Title: Re: Books on the British Royal Family
Post by: Cressida on September 12, 2012, 11:56:19 am
 :hello:   Mooster there are some interesting ones from different perspectives eg. Ken Wharfe's book about his time protecting the princess and Patrick Jephson's on his time working with her. Obviously there are the Burrell ones which have some nice snippets of previously unknown info and some photos of inside Diana's KP apartment.

Diana's old nanny Mary Clarke and the American lady she worked for in 1980, Mary Robertson, both give a good insight in to their relationship with Diana.

A very good book on Diana's impact on the Royals etc is How Sexual Politics shook the Monarchy by Beatrix Campbell.

In terms of general biographies, I much preferred Sarah Bradford's to Sally Bedell Smith's.

I don't know if this helps at all.


Title: Re: Books on the British Royal Family
Post by: Mooster on September 12, 2012, 12:34:28 pm
 :thankyou: Cressida, I can't wait to get reading!!


Title: Re: Books on the British Royal Family
Post by: Alexandrine on September 12, 2012, 03:44:44 pm
Recently as all of you may have noticed  :June: I read Starkey's book on Fergie. He was a friend and business partner to the man who licked Fergie's toes. Spoilers to his story in my review! He tries to appear unbiased and a neutral party but Fergie's involvement in the bankruptcy of his business means that he must be bitter. You can see that as he criticises Fergie but he is very careful to talk about the BRF. He is very kind to Andrew and he doesn't say anything interesting about the rest of the family.

It's a good book to know how Fergie lived during the divorce process and how her mind works. Her dealing with money is also explained in detail, also how she used her charities to improve her quality of life. As an interesting detail you read about Fergie's friend and employee that killed her boyfriend in the book, she appears a lot.

I've also read, but a long time ago, Royal Babylon; it's about the bizarreness of all the european royal families. I liked it because it goes in chronological order in every RF so you get a good general view of the whole family through the ages. Some of the stories are possibly exaggerated so you can take it as all the rumours of all the RFs  :tehe: It's easy to read and very interesting so for me it was a very good read and I recommend it.

I wanted to mention a book about the BRF that is quite good if you are starting as a royal watcher but I forgot the name  :shy: it's a biased in favour about the BRF and it starts with Q. Victoria until the divorce of Di, anyone knows which book I'm talking about?


Title: Re: Books on the British Royal Family
Post by: dianab on September 12, 2012, 04:39:45 pm
^^Alexandrine, I think the book you forgot the name is by Donald Spoto.


Title: Re: Books on the British Royal Family
Post by: Alexandrine on September 12, 2012, 05:46:25 pm
yes! Thank you! The title is The Decline and Fall of the House of Windsor.

From Daniel Spoto I've also read Grace Kelly's bio, but please don't buy it, it's just the summaries of all her movies.


Title: Re: Books on the British Royal Family
Post by: Cressida on September 12, 2012, 06:52:41 pm
I wasn't keen on Starkey's book - he came across as a real slime! I don't know what Fergie was doing associating with those people. I was watching some old footage on youtube of Fergie in 1986 when she first came on the scene, and I loved her then. She had that mad curly hair and seemed a breath of fresh air. I can't believe what she turned in to.


Title: Re: Books on the British Royal Family
Post by: Alexandrine on September 12, 2012, 06:56:24 pm
But imo she didn't turn into nothing, she was already that. Considering the last shenanigans she has been into this couple of years it's also obvious that she hasn't changed.


Title: Re: Books on the British Royal Family
Post by: Cressida on September 12, 2012, 07:01:02 pm
Perhaps you are right - I think she is incapable of learning from her mistakes and very self-destructive. In some ways I can see why Diana distanced herself from her.


Title: Re: Books on the British Royal Family
Post by: Alexandrine on September 12, 2012, 07:46:05 pm
Imo that's what I liked about Starkey's book, you can see how Fergie operates.


Title: Re: Books on the British Royal Family
Post by: Sunny on September 12, 2012, 10:11:30 pm
Has anyone read Kitty Kelley's book? I was considering buying it but didn't know if it would be worth the money!


Title: Re: Books on the British Royal Family
Post by: Alexander on September 12, 2012, 10:47:35 pm
I highly recommend J. Randy Taraborrellis book Once Upon a time, about Grace and Rainier. It also goes into great detail about Princesses Caroline and Stephanie,  while white washing Albert, but besides that it's a truly wonderful book.


Title: Re: Books on the British Royal Family
Post by: Cressida on September 13, 2012, 12:49:29 am
I've read Kitty Kelleys book - it was OK but abit too hyped.


Title: Re: Books on the British Royal Family
Post by: Alexandrine on February 12, 2013, 06:50:04 pm
I've bought Diana vs. Charles: royal blood feud by James Whitaker. Good or bad?


Title: Re: Books on the British Royal Family
Post by: Mon Roi Henry IX on February 12, 2013, 06:58:09 pm
To me a great book of the British RF book is:
The Queen Mother: The Untold Story of Elizabeth Bowes Lyon, Who Became Queen Elizabeth The Queen by Lady Colin Campbell.

When you're done your eyes will be popping! out of your head. :- Worth the money but you cannot buy it in Britain. It can be bought in Amazon though.
 :flirt:


Title: Re: Books on the British Royal Family
Post by: Alexandrine on February 12, 2013, 07:10:22 pm
is Lady Colin Campbell believable? Because I don't even know if she can use that name


Title: Re: Books on the British Royal Family
Post by: HC on February 12, 2013, 07:33:23 pm
Mon Roi, please share some of it with us  :bouncy:


Title: Re: Books on the British Royal Family
Post by: Mon Roi Henry IX on February 12, 2013, 10:31:25 pm
^
She was married to Lord Colin Campbell, younger brother of the Duke of Argyll.


Title: Re: Books on the British Royal Family
Post by: Mon Roi Henry IX on February 12, 2013, 10:56:09 pm
^
HC, How to begin? I'll try. There are many parts of the book that sound true to me. And there are quite a few accounts about British aristocracy.

These are some of the things she said   in her book:

QE II's mother  was the daughter of a cook by the name of Marguerite which is one of the names of the QM. Her full name was:
Elizabeth Angela Marguerite Bowes-Lyon.

The Duke conceived Princess Elizabeth (now QE II) and Princess Margaret  through artificial insemination because QM abhorred sex.

She did not mind the Duke going out of marriage to have affairs with other women because this would leave her 'alone'.

She faked whooping cough on the honeymoon so she wouldn't have to 'sleep' with the Duke.

The QM's brother was a gossipy and vindictive man very much according to author as his sister the QM.

How unhappy the QM was when her daughter became Queen , as this relegated her to the background.

QM did not want to leave the palace when QEII became Queen, and finally QEII's husband Philip, switched off the lights to that part of the palace to make her move out sooner.

QM should had been called Queen Dowager which is the title or status generally held by the widow of a deceased king. However, she prefered "Queen Mother". ( BTW...I don't  know of anyone called 'QM'  in the history of monarchy except her, if anyone knows better please correct me).

In the book there are also accounts of Wallis Simpson; the Duke of Kent's sex life; Prince Philip's mother's mental breakdown that put her in an asylum for some years .
 She also mentions the fact she was kind of hidden in the photos of Philip and Elizabeth II because she had been in the asylum for the mentally unstable.

I hope that helped. :flower:


Title: Re: Books on the British Royal Family
Post by: Kuei Fei on February 12, 2013, 11:05:00 pm
The Royals by Kitty Kelly (to me believable)

is Lady Colin Campbell believable? Because I don't even know if she can use that name

I view her as credible; she isn't biased in favor of one or another and does cover the faceted aspects of the RF and is upfront about their good side as well as the bad. I don't doubt that she would be unbiased mainly because she has no logical grievance against the RF. Given how the RF behaves, she is believable.

Imo that's what I liked about Starkey's book, you can see how Fergie operates.

I have that book and it's totally believable.

There is also:

Fergie Confidential by Christopher Hutchens

It's a great book I've read it exhaustively and it covers her life in a detailed way and I admire how she's covered in such detail. It describes her childhood in detail, describes her adolescence and family dynamics and it also describes the person she turned into, how she did become very grand and even snooty. It describes the two men (Steve Wyatt and Johnny Bryan) in her life in detail and describes how she had the relationship with Andrew in detail as well.

Whoever she got involved with, if they didn't break away, they always ended up with ruined lives.


Title: Re: Books on the British Royal Family
Post by: terrajoule on February 12, 2013, 11:22:41 pm
Kitty Kelley, believeable? Gwhahaha!

Wow! That BS sounds like it were written by someone  who detested the Queen Mother and had to come up with a lot of fictious filler to sell a book. :thumbsdown:

 Poor Alice, she had schizophrenia and/or Bipolar. :(


Title: Re: Books on the British Royal Family
Post by: Snokitty on February 12, 2013, 11:51:08 pm
The Queen Mother was a snob, a racist and a drunk.


Title: Re: Books on the British Royal Family
Post by: Mon Roi Henry IX on February 13, 2013, 12:11:23 am
^
The 'drunk, racist and snob' part you just mentioned in your post above was in book too.


Title: Re: Books on the British Royal Family
Post by: YooperModerator on February 13, 2013, 06:45:27 am
euh terra joule rather then just openly laughing at ppl's opinions  bignono
why don't you give us some counter arguments as to why you think KK isn't believable as a royal author.


For example if you go to her wiki page you can find some reactions on her books and person, an most are not exactly flattering.
but she also got some awards to balance it out.

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Perception of Kelley
Barbara Walters said books like Kelley’s are all about finding dirt, not the truth. The New York Times claimed that Kelley "just aims for the jugular." Time magazine reported that most journalists believe Kelley "too frequently fails to bring perspective or analysis to the fruits of her reporting and at times lards her work with dollops of questionable inferences and innuendos." Joe Klein described Kelley as a "professional sensationalist."

Awards and honors
Kelley won the 2005 PEN Oakland Censorship Award and the Outstanding Author Award from the American Society of Journalists and Authors for her “courageous writing on popular culture.” She received the Medal of Merit from the Lotos Club of New York City.

I haven't read a single book from her yet but after seeing this wiki stuff yet reading KF view on her: I wont buy it though I'm tempted to go to the library to get it, but I'll take what she says with a grain of salt (as I do with most royal books, since non of them are truly un-biased afterall!)


Title: Re: Books on the British Royal Family
Post by: Kuei Fei on February 13, 2013, 09:17:10 am
I believe Kitty is credible since her book is banned in Britain and it certainly must have hit some sort of nerve. After all, the majority of her stuff (minus Charles cheating on Diana at Buckingham palace during the engagement) has been proven as true. Stuff like the Queen Mother's extravagance, Philip's cheating, Charles and Camilla and Diana's bulimia, etc. I mean, why would it be banned if it were tripe? Hewitt was published and sold in Britain, but Kitty's book goes after the entire RF. She goes after the dirt, but really, much of it has been proven to be true and be credible.

Living off The State
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"This book is a detailed examination of the official finances of the British monarch and leading members of the royal family.They are funded by the taxpayer to a degree far in excess of other European royal families and the heads of state of other Western democracies.Complex and confusingly presented,royal finance is a subject frequently misunderstood by both public and politicians.This book examines the Duchies of Cornwall and Lancaster,which provide multi-million pound official annual incomes for the Prince of Wales and the Queen respectively; the Civil List; housing for leading members of the Windsor family;the Royal Collection; royal involvement in the charitable sector and royal 'branding' -increasingly important and contentious in our increasingly commercialised world- as well as options for reform and prospects for the future. As economic conditions worsen, their privileged position may become increasingly unsustainable".
http://www.amazon.com/Living-off-The-State-Temple/dp/0955831105/ref=sr_1_14?ie=UTF8&qid=1360746871&sr=8-14&keywords=living+off+of+the+state

I think this book is going to hit more than a few nerves and I believe that the economy is going to cause this book to hit more than a few nerves.

I'm shocked that the price for the book is so high, it must be in high demand.


Title: Re: Books on the British Royal Family
Post by: True Brit on February 13, 2013, 11:16:57 am
Living off the State is between £8.50 and £12.99 in the UK via Amazon UK. I have a copy of it and it is terrific. I have no idea why it is so expensive in the US. See if you can find it on Amazon UK and get it mailed out. It is a very small publisher and the author is an admitted republican but I would also welcome a similar book from the monarchist's viewpoint yet there doesn't seem to be any.

I would urge you to get a copy and read it and also another older book by Phillip Hall called Royal Fortune which I would suggest reading before you read Living off the State. RF was written in 1992 and the author had an extremely difficult time trying to gain various documents and interviews and the author of LOTS refers to his work and thanks him in the credits.

This book was finished last year and is almost bang up-to-date - with one exception. The author is saying that W&K appear to be intent on living a low key life with his work on Anglesey and she as a housewife. He was repeating the perception of a year or so ago and am sure he would be reviewing that view as we speak.

He refers to the Duchies being hauled in front of the Public Accounts Committees in 2005 and we have a link to this in the Duchy of Cornwall thread.


Title: Re: Books on the British Royal Family
Post by: HC on February 13, 2013, 11:54:43 am
Thanks, Mon Roi  :hi:


Title: Re: Books on the British Royal Family
Post by: Freya on February 13, 2013, 12:48:01 pm
I read a book some time ago, gave it to a friend and cannot remember the title.

This book was about the aftermath of Diana's death and one thing that both my friend and myself found strange was that Lord Fellowes was allegedly in Paris on the night of Diana's death. Is this part of the conspiracy theory?



Title: Re: Books on the British Royal Family
Post by: Snokitty on February 13, 2013, 12:52:40 pm
Some say he was on holiday but Blair's secretary received a call from him and he was at the palace making arrangements. That doesn't mean that he could not have been in Paris earlier however.


Title: Re: Books on the British Royal Family
Post by: Freya on February 13, 2013, 01:04:31 pm
^
Thanks Snokitty. I guess that we will never know the full facts of what happened on that fateful night.


Title: Re: Books on the British Royal Family
Post by: Mon Roi Henry IX on February 13, 2013, 02:56:01 pm
HC  :flower: You're ever so welcome! The book has a lot more of course as it's a thick book, but I gave you the parts I remembered.  :loveshower:


Title: Re: Books on the British Royal Family
Post by: Mon Roi Henry IX on February 13, 2013, 03:00:16 pm
Akasha  :thankyou: for the information on Kitty Kelly. :flower: I had no idea about her awards. I read a book of hers, I think, quite a while ago.
I read too many books and they all get muddle up in my brain after time.   :tehe:


Title: Re: Books on the British Royal Family
Post by: Mon Roi Henry IX on February 13, 2013, 03:04:03 pm
I agree with you Kuei Fei on the Kitty Kelly  book, if it wouldn't had rattle some people it would had not been banned. They would had just ignored it with much boredom. :bored:


Title: Re: Books on the British Royal Family
Post by: Kuei Fei on February 13, 2013, 09:17:30 pm
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Living off the State is between £8.50 and £12.99 in the UK via Amazon UK. I have a copy of it and it is terrific. I have no idea why it is so expensive in the US. See if you can find it on Amazon UK and get it mailed out. It is a very small publisher and the author is an admitted republican but I would also welcome a similar book from the monarchist's viewpoint yet there doesn't seem to be any.

Maybe it's because it's a new book and still taking time to make it's way here; the publisher is being smart and there is self publishing out there so it is possible that the author is self publishing this book. As for monarchists, there is nothing defensible about how the RF has been behaving.

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I would urge you to get a copy and read it and also another older book by Phillip Hall called Royal Fortune which I would suggest reading before you read Living off the State. RF was written in 1992 and the author had an extremely difficult time trying to gain various documents and interviews and the author of LOTS refers to his work and thanks him in the credits.

Thanks, I'll check it out.

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This book was finished last year and is almost bang up-to-date - with one exception. The author is saying that W&K appear to be intent on living a low key life with his work on Anglesey and she as a housewife. He was repeating the perception of a year or so ago and am sure he would be reviewing that view as we speak.

We all make assumptions; I am sure that there will be other books out there documenting all of this in detail. I ma sure he already did a good job covering the past so many years and there is only so much any person can cover until new stuff comes along.

Stuff about the Duchess of Cambridge, mainly fawning:

A Year in the Life of a Duchess: Kate Middleton's First Year as the Duchess of Cambridge
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This gorgeously illustrated book celebrates Kate Middleton's triumphal first year as the Duchess of Cambridge. It details her public appearances, her honeymoon in the Seychelles, her first official trip to North America, and much more, showing how the world has embraced her as the “people's duchess.” There's also coverage of William and Kate's first Christmas as a married couple and other important milestones, and a photographic selection of the most stunning outfits worn by Kate over the past year.
http://www.amazon.com/Year-Life-Duchess-Middletons-Cambridge/dp/1780970676/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1360789801&sr=8-1&keywords=Duchess+of+Cambridge

The Duchess of Cambridge: How Kate Middleton Became A Future Queen (Royal Princesses)
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The former Kate Middleton is the embodiment of a modern day Cinderella. She didn’t scrub floors and didn’t have wicked stepmother and stepsisters, but she turned from being a commoner to a princess when she stole the heart of a real prince, William. This book on Kate Middleton will inspire you and prove to you that fairy tales do exist. Kate is proof of that.
http://www.amazon.com/The-Duchess-Cambridge-Princesses-ebook/dp/B009QTPIFI/ref=sr_1_2?ie=UTF8&qid=1360789850&sr=8-2&keywords=Duchess+of+Cambridge

Catherine Duchess of Cambridge: A Royal Souvenir (Pitkin Guides)
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Catherine Middleton, now Duchess of Cambridge—discreet, beautiful, and talented—comes not from the ranks of royalty or the aristocracy, but from the hard-working middle classes. This lavishly illustrated souvenir guide, published to celebrate the Duchess's 30th birthday, follows her happy childhood and prestigious education to her romance with and marriage to Prince William. Theirs has been a love story that has stood the test of time and has seen the future king and queen pronounced man and wife in Westminster Abbey in front of a global audience in 2011. In these pages we discover a young woman of great inner strength, loyalty, and natural charm, who—like the late Princess Diana—has captivated the imagination of the British people. As she steps into public life at her husband's side, Catherine's easy manner and obvious kindness is winning hearts around the world—this is her story.
http://www.amazon.com/Catherine-Duchess-Cambridge-Souvenir-Pitkin/dp/1841653756/ref=sr_1_3?ie=UTF8&qid=1360789850&sr=8-3&keywords=Duchess+of+Cambridge

Catherine, the Duchess of Cambridge (Ladybird Souvenir)
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This special Ladybird souvenir edition celebrates the fairy tale transformation of Kate Middleton, the classic girl next door, into the royal Catherine, Duchess of Cambridge. Since her marriage to Prince William, the nation has taken Catherine to their hearts, and this child-friendly book explores her life in fascinating, easy to read detail, from her childhood achievements to her engagement and wedding, her royal duties and her life with Prince William in Anglesey.
http://www.amazon.com/Catherine-Duchess-Cambridge-Ladybird-Souvenir/dp/0723272522/ref=sr_1_4?ie=UTF8&qid=1360789850&sr=8-4&keywords=Duchess+of+Cambridge

Kate: Style Princess: The Fashion and Beauty Secrets of Britain's Most Glamorous Royal
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Since Kate Middleton was thrust into the spotlight, her style has evolved from safe and conservative to elegant and chic. This unique book looks at her transformation from student to socialite and follows her ascent into the influencial fashion pack. Meet the girl who would grow up to marry a prince and see what it takes to become a style icon and modern-day princess.
http://www.amazon.com/Kate-Princess-Fashion-Britains-Glamorous/dp/B008SM7R5I/ref=pd_sim_b_7

Kate and William:

Young Royals on Tour: William & Catherine in Canada
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On April 29, 2011, Prince William of Wales married Catherine Middleton at Westminster Abbey in London. The newlyweds' first royal tour took place in Canada from June 30 to July 8. People across the country rejoiced with the couple as they made their way through a land that holds special significance for the Royal Family, emphasizing and renewing the bond with Canada. This was not the Duke of Cambridges first trip "home to Canada," since he accompanied his parents, Charles and Diana, in 1991 and his father and brother, Harry, in 1998. This journey included such highlights as Canada Day in Ottawa, dragon boating in Prince Edward Island, visiting homeless youth in Quebec City, street hockey in Yellowknife, and a side trip to help bolster the courage of fire-devastated citizens in Slave Lake, Alberta. The Duke and Duchess presented the vibrant, modern face of the Royal Family, and excitement followed them everywhere as they travelled across Canada.
http://www.amazon.com/Young-Royals-Tour-William-Catherine/dp/1459701860/ref=pd_sim_b_4

William & Catherine: Their Romance and Royal Wedding in Photographs
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Perhaps because we have no royalty, Americans especially are fascinated by the pageantry and fairy-tale romance of British weddings. Few events capture the world's heart and imagination like a British royal wedding. In 1981, we were enchanted as Prince Charles wed lovely Lady Di, generating worldwide attention and massive sales of wedding-related products. As the young managing editor of a photo-news agency, Cohen directed a team of five photojournalists who covered the wedding for several major news magazines.
 
Through more than two hundred spectacular photographs (including 80 pages of their wedding alone), William & Catherine recounts the couple's wildly different childhoods, their romance and engagement, the events leading up to the wedding, and the grand affair itself--watched by over two billion worldwide. Here are the massive crowds lining the parade route, the sparkling celebrities at Westminster Abbey, the bride's spectacular gown, “The Kisses” on Buckingham Palace's balcony, and the worldwide celebrations. Also included is a brief pictorial history of British royal weddings from Queen Victoria and Prince Albert in 1840 to Prince Charles and Lady Diana in 1981.
http://www.amazon.com/William-Catherine-Romance-Wedding-Photographs/dp/1402788169/ref=pd_sim_b_7


Title: Re: Books on the British Royal Family
Post by: FrederickLouis on February 15, 2019, 10:17:18 pm
Queen Victoria by Elizabeth Longford