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Title: National Service of Thanksgiving - June 5
Post by: Alexandrine on June 04, 2012, 06:19:37 pm
Starts at 10:30 and finishes I would say 15:00?


Title: Re: National Service of Thanksgiving - June 5
Post by: buflesse on June 04, 2012, 09:56:17 pm
10.15am The Queen leaves Buckingham Palace.
10.30am Service at St Paul’s Cathedral.
12.30pm Queen will travel from Mansion House to the Palace of Westminster.
2.20pm Carriage procession from Westminster hall to Buckingham Palace.
3.25pm Balcony Appearance.


Title: Re: National Service of Thanksgiving - June 5
Post by: Alexandrine on June 04, 2012, 10:33:24 pm
 :thankyou: I think that BBC international shows all the event.


Title: Re: National Service of Thanksgiving - June 5
Post by: buflesse on June 04, 2012, 10:35:11 pm
No problem! I really hope that Philip can make it  :sob:


Title: Re: National Service of Thanksgiving - June 5
Post by: Alexandrine on June 04, 2012, 10:40:29 pm
No, he's going to stay in hospital according to journos


Title: Re: National Service of Thanksgiving - June 5
Post by: Yooper on June 04, 2012, 11:01:53 pm
Oh, man, that's not good that he's staying in the hospital; it will be a bit more subdued an event, I'm sure.

I'm unfamiliar with this event.  Is this a general Thanksgiving for everything that you celebrate...how exactly?  Do people do special things at home? 


Title: Re: National Service of Thanksgiving - June 5
Post by: buflesse on June 04, 2012, 11:04:21 pm
It's not like Thanksgiving Day in the US. I think it's just a way for HM to say thank you for the last 60 years in a religious setting :)


Title: Re: National Service of Thanksgiving - June 5
Post by: Alexandrine on June 04, 2012, 11:05:39 pm
They go to Westminster Abbey have a mass in celebration for the jubilee then go in a carriage to Buck Palace and wave to everyone from the balcony.


Title: Re: National Service of Thanksgiving - June 5
Post by: Yooper on June 04, 2012, 11:07:35 pm
^ and ^^ Thank you!

So, this is a part of the Jubilee and not a once a year event?  Sorry for all the questions and the typos I see I'm making.  I'm working with a pair of hands with fingernails that need attention stat.


Title: Re: National Service of Thanksgiving - June 5
Post by: buflesse on June 04, 2012, 11:14:21 pm
As far as I'm aware it's just a Jubilee thing :)


Title: Re: National Service of Thanksgiving - June 5
Post by: berlin on June 05, 2012, 12:39:54 am
^ and ^^ Thank you!

So, this is a part of the Jubilee and not a once a year event? 

I think at the Trooping of the Colour they go through the streets in carriage, but no church service.


Title: Re: National Service of Thanksgiving - June 5
Post by: Grace and Diana Fan on June 05, 2012, 04:09:52 am
What Time Does The Diamond Jubilee Begin On American Television?  ???


Title: Re: National Service of Thanksgiving - June 5
Post by: windsor2 on June 05, 2012, 04:28:52 am
4:15am EST on BBC America


Title: Re: National Service of Thanksgiving - June 5
Post by: Grace and Diana Fan on June 05, 2012, 04:33:22 am
^  :thankyou: :flower:


Title: Re: National Service of Thanksgiving - June 5
Post by: meememe on June 05, 2012, 09:19:29 am
They go to Westminster Abbey have a mass in celebration for the jubilee then go in a carriage to Buck Palace and wave to everyone from the balcony.


The Jubilee Thanksgiving Service will be in St Paul's Cathedral not Westminster Abbey.  After the service The Queen is going to the Mansion House and then to Westminster Hall, where the Queen Mum lay in State and where The Queen unveiled the stain-glass window earlier this year.  It is across the road from the Abbey.  From there the carriage procession will take place returning to the Palace.

If they had a Thanksgiving Service for their 65th Wedding Anniversary in November that would be at Westminster Abbey as that is where they married.


Title: Re: National Service of Thanksgiving - June 5
Post by: meememe on June 05, 2012, 09:22:50 am
As far as I'm aware it's just a Jubilee thing :)


They also have them for wedding anniversaries - e.g. their 50th and 60th wedding anniversaries were marked with a service of Thanksgiving in Westminster Abbey and the Queen wanted to have a service for Philip's 90th last year and he refused.

So they are for major milestones in the life of the monarch. 


Title: Re: National Service of Thanksgiving - June 5
Post by: chisom19 on June 05, 2012, 10:00:01 am
Kate will be wearing Alexander mcqueen


Title: Re: National Service of Thanksgiving - June 5
Post by: Kezza on June 05, 2012, 10:02:05 am
Prince Andrew and Princess Beatrice are on their way.


Title: Re: National Service of Thanksgiving - June 5
Post by: Kezza on June 05, 2012, 10:13:29 am
Kate is wearing either white or creme outfit.


Title: Re: National Service of Thanksgiving - June 5
Post by: georgiana on June 05, 2012, 10:15:24 am
Beatrice looks stunning


Title: Re: National Service of Thanksgiving - June 5
Post by: Kezza on June 05, 2012, 10:18:49 am
Here she is the star of the show in white again.

I agree Beatrice looks great.

Update Kate is nude or should I say in a nude colour outfit. :laugh:


Title: Re: National Service of Thanksgiving - June 5
Post by: georgiana on June 05, 2012, 10:24:24 am
Kates outfit is lovely but she really needs to gain weight!


Title: Re: National Service of Thanksgiving - June 5
Post by: chisom19 on June 05, 2012, 10:27:52 am
Wow! Can kate get any thinner? She is too thin and the dress is even a bit loose


Title: Re: National Service of Thanksgiving - June 5
Post by: chisom19 on June 05, 2012, 10:30:04 am
How cam william not see what kate is doing to her self? If william want to protect kate. He need to protect her from herself


Title: Re: National Service of Thanksgiving - June 5
Post by: rosielinks on June 05, 2012, 10:52:31 am
The dress is lovely but boy, does she look skeletal. Even my husband made a shocked comment.

William does not seem to be even looking at her. No communication between them in contrast to Camilla and PC.

Very frosty between them.


Title: Re: National Service of Thanksgiving - June 5
Post by: June on June 05, 2012, 10:56:44 am
Look at this outrageous headline - the DM is surely trying to stir trouble:

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/femail/article-2154797/Queens-Diamond-Jubilee-Duchess-Cambridge-looks-regal-metallic-dress-St-Pauls-thanksgiving-service.html?ito=feeds-newsxm (http://www.dailymail.co.uk/femail/article-2154797/Queens-Diamond-Jubilee-Duchess-Cambridge-looks-regal-metallic-dress-St-Pauls-thanksgiving-service.html?ito=feeds-newsxm)

 :bat:  :angry:  bignono

Edit: it was changed from 'Kate's golden Jubilee ... ' to the current version.  :-X

Wow, the body language between William and Kate is palpable! William looks disgusted with her, she's repugnant! Even in the car, he is looking the other way, letting her grin for the cameras. Look how wide apart they are in the church - and even walking up the steps.  :nervous:

Why does she grin like a loon? Her husband looks like he'd rather she not be there.

I'm no body language expert, but also at the concert, William was leaning heavily into Harry. It was as though he couldn't get enough distance between he and Kate.  :spy:


Title: Re: National Service of Thanksgiving - June 5
Post by: rogue on June 05, 2012, 11:27:25 am
William has encouraged her clinging  behavior for the last decade  :-  now he is encouraging her ''little commoner girl'' act to endear her to the public.What did he expect  :- If he changes the way he treats her she might ,might grow up and start acting like a mature woman.She might not be a burden to him.


Title: Re: National Service of Thanksgiving - June 5
Post by: June on June 05, 2012, 11:32:52 am
I think rather than 'encourage' her, he just demanded the direction and scope of their relationship. He's just a control freak, and she accommodated him, IMO. She was the weaker party in the sense of power over the other one.

But Kate wanted the marriage more than anything; he knew it too. He could treat her badly, yet she'd still back up for more. He won't change his scorn and contempt for her, because IMO he neither loves nor respects her. He wouldn't even care if she walked out. He'd probably be relieved.


Title: Re: National Service of Thanksgiving - June 5
Post by: georgiana on June 05, 2012, 11:34:24 am
Look at this outrageous headline - the DM is surely trying to stir trouble:

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/femail/article-2154797/Queens-Diamond-Jubilee-Duchess-Cambridge-looks-regal-metallic-dress-St-Pauls-thanksgiving-service.html?ito=feeds-newsxm (http://www.dailymail.co.uk/femail/article-2154797/Queens-Diamond-Jubilee-Duchess-Cambridge-looks-regal-metallic-dress-St-Pauls-thanksgiving-service.html?ito=feeds-newsxm)

 :bat:  :angry:  bignono

Edit: it was changed from 'Kate's golden Jubilee ... ' to the current version.  :-X

Wow, the body language between William and Kate is palpable! William looks disgusted with her, she's repugnant! Even in the car, he is looking the other way, letting her grin for the cameras. Look how wide apart they are in the church - and even walking up the steps.  :nervous:

Why does she grin like a loon? Her husband looks like he'd rather she not be there.

I'm no body language expert, but also at the concert, William was leaning heavily into Harry. It was as though he couldn't get enough distance between he and Kate.  :spy:

Did you see wills lean into harry when they entered the church as well? W&K are a strange couple IMO.


Title: Re: National Service of Thanksgiving - June 5
Post by: Acornia on June 05, 2012, 01:08:33 pm
She looks drab... normal service has resumed.


Title: Re: National Service of Thanksgiving - June 5
Post by: jasmin81296 on June 05, 2012, 01:32:11 pm
there is a certain calm about Kate today, which is a jarring contrast to the rest of the family considering Philip's situation. She isn't relying on her husband as she has in the past. I think she is preggers and I think Harry knows, which would explain his sullen demeanor in the past couple of days.


Title: Re: National Service of Thanksgiving - June 5
Post by: buflesse on June 05, 2012, 01:37:33 pm
I'm wondering if she's pregnant as well...

http://25.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m5570otnaH1qmw26bo1_500.jpg

http://24.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m555mkHz2d1qjmps3o1_500.jpg

I know she touches her stomach quite a lot anyway but it would help explain the air of smugness that she's had over the last couple of days...that said, would she really get pregnant a few months before her Jubilee tour?


Title: Re: National Service of Thanksgiving - June 5
Post by: jasmin81296 on June 05, 2012, 01:39:39 pm
i think she would get pregnant right now. William was caught on camera calling her a *female dog* during the River Thames pagentry. I would not put anything past her to make sure she remains in the BRF.


Title: Re: National Service of Thanksgiving - June 5
Post by: benign on June 05, 2012, 01:50:40 pm
Look at this outrageous headline - the DM is surely trying to stir trouble:

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/femail/article-2154797/Queens-Diamond-Jubilee-Duchess-Cambridge-looks-regal-metallic-dress-St-Pauls-thanksgiving-service.html?ito=feeds-newsxm (http://www.dailymail.co.uk/femail/article-2154797/Queens-Diamond-Jubilee-Duchess-Cambridge-looks-regal-metallic-dress-St-Pauls-thanksgiving-service.html?ito=feeds-newsxm)
love the dress but not for daytime and so far, shes the only one wearing lace...really really love the York sisters outfit especially Bea's shoes..whoever is their stylist is doing a fantastic job and appreciate that PA cares that his daughters looked good in public..

HM outfit simple yet she always stands out...


Title: Re: National Service of Thanksgiving - June 5
Post by: buflesse on June 05, 2012, 01:52:56 pm
Look at this outrageous headline - the DM is surely trying to stir trouble:

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/femail/article-2154797/Queens-Diamond-Jubilee-Duchess-Cambridge-looks-regal-metallic-dress-St-Pauls-thanksgiving-service.html?ito=feeds-newsxm (http://www.dailymail.co.uk/femail/article-2154797/Queens-Diamond-Jubilee-Duchess-Cambridge-looks-regal-metallic-dress-St-Pauls-thanksgiving-service.html?ito=feeds-newsxm)
love the dress but not for daytime and so far, shes the only one wearing lace...really really love the York sisters outfit especially Bea's shoes..whoever is their stylist is doing a fantastic job and appreciate that PA cares that his daughters looked good in public..

HM outfit simple yet she always stands out...

I LOVE the way that Bea and Eugenie have been dressing lately. Yet Kate bloggers still have the cheek to call them the "gruesome twosome", the "ugly stepsisters", women who are "finally growing up"...and some are still calling their style ugly.


Title: Re: National Service of Thanksgiving - June 5
Post by: buflesse on June 05, 2012, 02:19:06 pm
http://24.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m5595xqMGd1r7ym57o1_500.jpg

Once again, the only one grinning like a hyena...


Title: Re: National Service of Thanksgiving - June 5
Post by: georgiana on June 05, 2012, 02:22:33 pm
^ interesting, everyone looks sombre except for her, as she forgotten PP in hospital?


Title: Re: National Service of Thanksgiving - June 5
Post by: True Brit on June 05, 2012, 02:27:36 pm
I actually like these girls. It's ever since I saw them on the documentary by Andrew Marr. Beatrice is much prettier than I had always thought, genuinely nice and bright and Eugenie was surprisingly shy (and very pretty).

They've had a rough time with their parents but seem very down-to-earth and well balanced.


Title: Re: National Service of Thanksgiving - June 5
Post by: True Brit on June 05, 2012, 02:33:28 pm
What is wrong with her?  ??? Is it extreme nerves or has she been sniffing the C of E incense?


Title: Re: National Service of Thanksgiving - June 5
Post by: buflesse on June 05, 2012, 02:41:30 pm
http://24.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m55c92XFGg1r184sro1_500.png

Eyes on the camera...and is that yet another pair of new earrings?

I don't think she cares a jot about Philip being in hospital. What's the betting that we'll see her grinning through his funeral?


Title: Re: National Service of Thanksgiving - June 5
Post by: georgiana on June 05, 2012, 02:45:37 pm
^i hope she doesn't, that would be awful


Title: Re: National Service of Thanksgiving - June 5
Post by: Princess Alucard on June 05, 2012, 02:49:43 pm
i think she would get pregnant right now. William was caught on camera calling her a *female dog* during the River Thames pagentry. I would not put anything past her to make sure she remains in the BRF.


WOAH this was caught on camera? When?  Everyone looks somber and DM of course makes it all about her . I was shocked to see Zara and Mike holding hands because you never see royals hold hands.


Title: Re: National Service of Thanksgiving - June 5
Post by: windsor2 on June 05, 2012, 02:54:01 pm
I can see her doing anything to get pregnant. But unfortunately for her, I doubt that the baby will go full term based on how thin she is and the stress that she must be under seeing that no one really likes her, they just tolerate her, except the press ofcourse.. I doubt that she is at this time. They have to travel to the Far East in September. She wouldn't be able to go if she were preggers, imo.
She's a smug twit. I can't wait for that sick smile to be whipped off her face, the sooner the better. Wills needs to grow a pair and do something about his trashy wife, imo.  


Title: Re: National Service of Thanksgiving - June 5
Post by: buflesse on June 05, 2012, 02:54:45 pm
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aahTlfnIu0c

This video. There's no proof that he called her a *female dog* but it looks like he could have. I guess we'll never know.


Title: Re: National Service of Thanksgiving - June 5
Post by: Alexandrine on June 05, 2012, 03:06:49 pm
Anyone saw the carriage procession? The poor Queen couldn't go up the carriage.

They didn't show much of the Cambs or Harry, it was all about the Queen this time.


Title: Re: National Service of Thanksgiving - June 5
Post by: True Brit on June 05, 2012, 03:09:56 pm
I missed it what do you mean she couldn't go up the carriage? What happened?

Red Arrows have left Scampton and are already north of London.


Title: Re: National Service of Thanksgiving - June 5
Post by: Princess Alucard on June 05, 2012, 03:11:58 pm
^ I guess hard to get up those steps. My grandma has a hard time with stairs. Poor Lizzy  :sob: I wonder if Philip is watching it all on tv.


Title: Re: National Service of Thanksgiving - June 5
Post by: Alexandrine on June 05, 2012, 03:13:57 pm
Yes the steps to the carriage. Couldn't have they thought about that? She looked worried and didn't know how to go up.


Title: Re: National Service of Thanksgiving - June 5
Post by: True Brit on June 05, 2012, 03:17:26 pm
So what did they do? Just tuning in to it all.

Red Arrows over Norwich must have misheard the earlier remark. Hope the rain keeps off they are well worth seeing.



Title: Re: National Service of Thanksgiving - June 5
Post by: giamodel60 on June 05, 2012, 03:21:26 pm
when are they coming out?


Title: Re: National Service of Thanksgiving - June 5
Post by: Alexandrine on June 05, 2012, 03:22:28 pm
She said something to Charles, saw that the only way was doing it herself and did it.  But she wasn't sure at all imo.

@Gia at 3:30 I think


Title: Re: National Service of Thanksgiving - June 5
Post by: True Brit on June 05, 2012, 03:23:12 pm
Any time now giamodel. Red Arrows due at 3.30 but there is the WWII memorial flight too Spitfire and Lancaster before the Red Arrows.


Title: Re: National Service of Thanksgiving - June 5
Post by: serene grace on June 05, 2012, 03:23:52 pm
The Queen looks amazing once again. England has every reason to be extremely proud.

BBC America showed the carriage procession beautifully, loved it.

CNN has wonderful coverage, but too many COMMERICALS, they keep breaking for commercials and I had to turn it back to BBC America, just now because Piers Morgan and his guest suddenly went into about a five minute praise of how Kate and William are responsible for the Queen's wonderful mood this year.It was getting to syrupy on CNN for Kate and William so I turned it back to BBC America.

No way Kate is preggers, she's skinny as hell. I think she's has had some kind of eating disorder or body issue problem. She just keeps getting thinner and thinner. Kate's skin looks very hard. Outfit is lovely though. I like the fascinator
I liked Kate's outfit though. Everyone looked wonderful.
Good to see Sophie and Pr.Edward in the front for the service.

Hi giamodel.  :hi:




Title: Re: National Service of Thanksgiving - June 5
Post by: giamodel60 on June 05, 2012, 03:24:48 pm
thank you!
i just saw carole trying to get in the front gate!!!!!!!

 :P


Title: Re: National Service of Thanksgiving - June 5
Post by: Princess Alucard on June 05, 2012, 03:26:04 pm
It's raining and they're coming out now


Title: Re: National Service of Thanksgiving - June 5
Post by: buflesse on June 05, 2012, 03:26:45 pm
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/health/article-2051512/Being-skinny-damages-fertility-obesity.html

I'd say that Kate is about 5ft 9in and can't weigh more than about 9 stone. That gives her a BMI of 18.

Wow Kate is really getting in with Harry on the balcony..


Title: Re: National Service of Thanksgiving - June 5
Post by: serene grace on June 05, 2012, 03:27:20 pm
Here they come :flower: :loveshower: :flower: :loveshower: :flower:!!!!  :loveshower:
They are on the Balcony !
Love Live The Queen.

Does Kate have a crush on Harry ,she spends every moment near him talking to him.  :flirt:


Title: Re: National Service of Thanksgiving - June 5
Post by: Alexandrine on June 05, 2012, 03:27:36 pm
Considering all the family was there today they could have been in the balcony. I know that they are the seniors but this is kind of disappointing.


Title: Re: National Service of Thanksgiving - June 5
Post by: buflesse on June 05, 2012, 03:27:47 pm
thank you!
i just saw carole trying to get in the front gate!!!!!!!

 :P


OMG where?!


Title: Re: National Service of Thanksgiving - June 5
Post by: Princess Alucard on June 05, 2012, 03:28:42 pm
I'm kinda disappointed the whole family isn't coming out. Bet Kate is enjoying that. She keeps clinging to Harry now


Harry my advice to you since Will didn't take it .... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4zwKB6Vnq8s (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4zwKB6Vnq8s)


Title: Re: National Service of Thanksgiving - June 5
Post by: giamodel60 on June 05, 2012, 03:33:29 pm
why is kate talking during god save the queen

what an *butt*


Title: Re: National Service of Thanksgiving - June 5
Post by: Alexandrine on June 05, 2012, 03:34:28 pm
she tried to say something but saw that Wills was not interested


Title: Re: National Service of Thanksgiving - June 5
Post by: pravda101 on June 05, 2012, 03:37:22 pm
there is a certain calm about Kate today, which is a jarring contrast to the rest of the family considering Philip's situation. She isn't relying on her husband as she has in the past. I think she is preggers and I think Harry knows, which would explain his sullen demeanor in the past couple of days.


I highly highly doubt she is pregnant. If she is I doubt she'd last full term. As someone said she is absolutely skeletal. To me she seems thinner this weekend than she has before. I can't even begin to imagine what she looks like in person.  :- It's painfully obvious to anyone with half a brain how skinny she is.


It's really sad to see this all go on without PP. Why isn't the whole family out on the balcony?? Is it weather related perhaps? Kate's closeness to Harry can't be good....


Title: Re: National Service of Thanksgiving - June 5
Post by: giamodel60 on June 05, 2012, 03:37:52 pm
saw that too LOL
re william not having it

she is so AWFUL

Queen was LOVELY

it looks so bad with just them up there

AFter the Queen what is the HOPE?

What i find even WEIRDER is why have Will's sibling there? if you are cutting everyone else out
why not just the heirs
I almost think that they think that will will never be king!


Title: Re: National Service of Thanksgiving - June 5
Post by: chisom19 on June 05, 2012, 03:39:04 pm
Kate can't stop chatting to harry. :thumpdown: she always had to call attention to herself


Title: Re: National Service of Thanksgiving - June 5
Post by: buflesse on June 05, 2012, 03:39:30 pm
William always sings the National Anthem. This is the second time that Kate's tried to talk to him while he's singing. She is just unfit for her role in every sense.


Title: Re: National Service of Thanksgiving - June 5
Post by: giamodel60 on June 05, 2012, 03:40:13 pm
i agree

if she was in a job she would be RAKED over the coals for that *poo*


Title: Re: National Service of Thanksgiving - June 5
Post by: Alexandrine on June 05, 2012, 03:41:46 pm
pravda it was programmed like this, only the seniors royals in the balcony.


Title: Re: National Service of Thanksgiving - June 5
Post by: True Brit on June 05, 2012, 03:41:57 pm
I was going to say is she with Harry? You could have driven a bus between her and PW when they stepped out onto the balcony and yes I saw her talking to William during God Save the Queen and he just ignored her until she got the hint.

I am just so baffled as to why she doesn't get you don't talk at such times.

The pared down family appearance is deliberate it's to underline that this is the line of succession and Waity is part of it. Terrifying!

Too much said about her it was great and I always shed a tear at the historic planes and the Red Arrows. Marvellous!

 


Title: Re: National Service of Thanksgiving - June 5
Post by: True Brit on June 05, 2012, 03:43:49 pm
thank you!
i just saw carole trying to get in the front gate!!!!!!!

 :P

Don't do that to me. I can't find the gin and smelling salts!


Title: Re: National Service of Thanksgiving - June 5
Post by: June on June 05, 2012, 03:45:33 pm
I pointed out another photo where she looked like she had a baby bump. Anyway, we'll know soon enough ...

^^ I agree that Kate is just clueless about protocol and what is expected of a senior royal. Heck, even minor ones behave better than she. The photos are just telling about their relationship.

Kate's emotional growth seems to be back at St Andrews. That is because she's never worked a real day in her life, nor has had any adult responsibility. William has more maturity and some sense of duty. I'll bet he's just cursing himself for marrying his "university play pal" and not a real, mature woman.

He's outgrown her, and I'll bet its ringing in his ears every single day.  :wopedo: The problem is: he was never confronted with Kate on a daily basis. He'd just get rid of her for weeks at a time to her parents when he got bored. He no longer has that option.



Title: Re: National Service of Thanksgiving - June 5
Post by: serene grace on June 05, 2012, 03:47:18 pm
The Queen looks so touched and her outfits have been beautiful the entire jubilee celebrations.
Camilla's outfit was nice too.

Kate's outfit today was perfect for the day, much more suitable that the joker red outfit the other day.

She has been talking the whole way through almost every event with Pr.William ignoring her, while Harry takes up the slack listening.

Harry is the most handsome of the brother's these days, but Pr.William looks elegant too.

(One day Kate is going to take a tumble in those heels. I would have been scared to death walking up steps and in carriages with those high heels, but I guess she's use to them )

CNN ANOTHER  commercial, it's getting ridiculous....going back to BBC America coverage...No commercials.

India Hicks on CNN keeps talking too much about William anyway... :bored:

P.S. If an ironing board looks pregnant, that is the only way Kate does, the girl is positively flat in front and back, she is very thin.)





Title: Re: National Service of Thanksgiving - June 5
Post by: buflesse on June 05, 2012, 03:48:38 pm
Lol, the MMs on tumblr are denying that Kate was talking during the National Anthem. I need a video asap!

Interesting that everyone thinks W&K are perfect for each other because they started dating 10 years ago. They were on and off for years. IMO the only reason why William married her was because he realised that time was running out and she was the only proper girlfriend he's had since starting uni.


Title: Re: National Service of Thanksgiving - June 5
Post by: serene grace on June 05, 2012, 03:53:39 pm
IMO, Kate was his ONLY Adult girlfriend, the other's were basically teens or just out of his teens.
William didn't really give himself a good look around, because he was simply too insecure to trust other women or pursue them for fear of rejection. Now England has this Middletrash as their Queen one day.

Piers Morgan on CNN said Pr. William has always had real fear and dislike of the notion of becoming King one day, it's something he has never looked forward to, but now that he has Kate , Piers said, he seems to be willing to to take on the role since he has a partner in Kate.


Title: Re: National Service of Thanksgiving - June 5
Post by: Alexandrine on June 05, 2012, 03:56:48 pm
http://www.gettyimages.es/detail/fotograf%C3%ADa-de-noticias/mike-tindall-and-zara-philips-attend-a-fotograf%C3%ADa-de-noticias/145753114 what is zara wearing?

http://www.gettyimages.es/detail/fotograf%C3%ADa-de-noticias/prince-william-duke-of-cambridge-and-catherine-fotograf%C3%ADa-de-noticias/145752989 only looking at the camera

http://www.gettyimages.es/detail/fotograf%C3%ADa-de-noticias/princess-eugenie-mike-tindall-david-linley-and-fotograf%C3%ADa-de-noticias/145756948 it makes her look dowdy not liking the purple outfit on Eugenie

http://www.gettyimages.es/detail/fotograf%C3%ADa-de-noticias/prince-beatrice-chats-to-dr-rowan-williams-fotograf%C3%ADa-de-noticias/145755515 neither do I like bea's

http://www.gettyimages.es/detail/fotograf%C3%ADa-de-noticias/autumns-philips-attends-a-diamond-jubilee-fotograf%C3%ADa-de-noticias/145755503

http://www.gettyimages.es/detail/fotograf%C3%ADa-de-noticias/autumns-philips-and-peter-philips-attend-a-fotograf%C3%ADa-de-noticias/145755519

Autumn doesn't look much better

http://www.gettyimages.es/detail/fotograf%C3%ADa-de-noticias/camilla-duchess-of-cornwall-and-prince-beatrice-fotograf%C3%ADa-de-noticias/145754877 bea

http://www.gettyimages.es/detail/fotograf%C3%ADa-de-noticias/sophie-winkleman-and-lord-frederick-windsor-fotograf%C3%ADa-de-noticias/145754884 frederick's wife looks very nice

http://www.gettyimages.es/detail/fotograf%C3%ADa-de-noticias/sophie-winkleman-attends-a-reception-for-the-fotograf%C3%ADa-de-noticias/145754882

http://www.gettyimages.es/detail/fotograf%C3%ADa-de-noticias/princess-michael-of-kent-attend-a-reception-for-fotograf%C3%ADa-de-noticias/145755522

Too much going on

http://www.gettyimages.es/detail/fotograf%C3%ADa-de-noticias/sophie-countess-of-wessex-and-lady-louise-fotograf%C3%ADa-de-noticias/145753623

cute!



Title: Re: National Service of Thanksgiving - June 5
Post by: buflesse on June 05, 2012, 03:59:09 pm
With the exception of HM and Lady Frederick Windsor, they all look horrendous!


Title: Re: National Service of Thanksgiving - June 5
Post by: Alexandrine on June 05, 2012, 04:00:30 pm
Add Lady Louise to that and I agree! Though Kate is wearing one of my fave outfits from her. She always looks better on exclusive clothes.

more photos http://www.gettyimages.es/Search/Search.aspx?EventId=145877520&EditorialProduct=Royalty


Title: Re: National Service of Thanksgiving - June 5
Post by: June on June 05, 2012, 04:16:28 pm
IMO, Kate was his ONLY Adult girlfriend, the other's were basically teens or just out of his teens.
William didn't really give himself a good look around, because he was simply too insecure to trust other women or pursue them for fear of rejection. Now England has this Middletrash as their Queen one day.

Piers Morgan on CNN said Pr. William has always had real fear and dislike of the notion of becoming King one day, it's something he has never looked forward to, but now that he has Kate , Piers said, he seems to be willing to to take on the role since he has a partner in Kate.

 :thumbsup: Shades of CP Fred right there.

William knew that Kate is an attention seeker and lens-lover. Maybe he thought he could make it work to his advantage? I also loved Kate's dress. But she's way too thin.

Lady Louise looks adorable, as usual. It's good to see that her arm looks healed.  :loveshower:

I never get tired of looking at the Queen. She's not only elegant but she epitomises DUTY and personal sacrifice. I couldn't help but think Kate, nor William for that matter, will never get it.


Title: Re: National Service of Thanksgiving - June 5
Post by: Alexandrine on June 05, 2012, 04:19:38 pm
Kate:

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/femail/article-2154797/Queens-Diamond-Jubilee-Duchess-Cambridge-looks-regal-Alexander-McQueen-dress-St-Pauls-thanksgiving-service.html

lots of photos


Title: Re: National Service of Thanksgiving - June 5
Post by: June on June 05, 2012, 04:28:51 pm
William ignoring her on the balcony ... yet again, he treats her like she's invisible.  :June:

She's just so fake. When I look at her photos, I don't see any humility or gratitude - at all. I only see her smug sense of entitlement. I think that's why I can't take to her, try as I might. I really want to like Kate, but I can't see her as the nice, innocent, kind, capable and grounded woman her fans do.


Title: Re: National Service of Thanksgiving - June 5
Post by: buflesse on June 05, 2012, 04:51:57 pm
http://25.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m55ibkXL0A1r7ym57o2_500.jpg

A very telling photo. And contrast this:

http://25.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m55ibkXL0A1r7ym57o1_500.jpg

to this, last year:

http://img.ibtimes.com/www/data/images/full/2012/04/27/267987-kate-middleton-with-her-man-by-side.jpg


Title: Re: National Service of Thanksgiving - June 5
Post by: June on June 05, 2012, 05:00:35 pm
Hmm, very telling indeed.  :June:

Oh, for goodness sake, what is she doing holding that silly clutch on the balcony? Is that a prop to show off the engagement ring, in situ? Or did she think she might just re-apply her lipstick when no one was looking?  :bored:

William appears as though he finds her repugnant and that is reflected in the way he is looking at her.


Title: Re: National Service of Thanksgiving - June 5
Post by: windsor2 on June 05, 2012, 05:35:46 pm
That was a sickening sight: a mistress and a limpet as futur Queen Consorts. This is the trash we have to look forward too. I wished somehow, HM would've been the only one on the balcony as this was her celebration. Such a shame that PP was in hospital. Come to think of it, it's his celebration also as he's been by HM 's side sice she became Queen.
It was nice when Harry was clapping when the planes flew by.


Title: Re: National Service of Thanksgiving - June 5
Post by: serene grace on June 05, 2012, 05:39:37 pm
That's one of the reasons I'm so sick of these commoner brides.  :bored: Many end up being so trashy.


Title: Re: National Service of Thanksgiving - June 5
Post by: June on June 05, 2012, 05:42:08 pm
That's it; they get too accustomed, too readily to the money, the lifestyle and the fame.  :thumbsdown:

Kate just looks too pleased with herself.  :ick: Why can't she be humble? Is that too much to ask?


Title: Re: National Service of Thanksgiving - June 5
Post by: berlin on June 05, 2012, 06:37:50 pm
Of all the events, I'd want to get invited to this one!  I see the Meddleton's weren't there.  So much for being close to the Queen.


Title: Re: National Service of Thanksgiving - June 5
Post by: Snokitty on June 05, 2012, 07:17:57 pm
Who the hell has an over the top grin in almost every picture besides Kate, no one. That is not natural doesn't she understand that people can see through your fake joy when you grin like a cheshire cat every time. It is as if she wants to show everyone that she has teeth.

I think Harry may have just been trying to ease some of the tension because I don't think anyone in that family likes her. They act all jolly when they know the cameras are on them but not so jolly when they are unaware.


Title: Re: National Service of Thanksgiving - June 5
Post by: Yooper on June 05, 2012, 07:48:58 pm
This is the first giddyup on her that I actually like.  It's appropriate, understated and not attention-hogging.  The only nitpicky thing I can think of is that the whole outfit would be more appropriate for a wedding than this event.  It falls just over the line into wedding-guest or mother-of-the-bride attire.

As for she herself, shut your mouth already and stop trying to yap while everybody else is paying attention and grinning.  GOD, I'm sick of her mugging face.  She has no social skills at all.  I'm embarrassed for her. 


Title: Re: National Service of Thanksgiving - June 5
Post by: Maya on June 05, 2012, 07:56:36 pm
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What makes me think that there is trouble in paradise is that none of the media are reporting how thin Kate is becomming it's like there is an embargo from on high. The point is Kate was never this thin before her marriage she is clearly not well as this is not her natural weight. Both William and Kate look so distant from each other they barely have any contact and Kate is always trailing behind him while he speaks to anyone else apart from her I am sorry to say there are obviously problems in that marriage .......the truth will out it always does. DM print this if you dare!

- Rosie, Surrey, 5/6/2012 15:12

Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/femail/article-2154797/Queens-Diamond-Jubilee-Duchess-Cambridge-looks-regal-Alexander-McQueen-dress-St-Pauls-thanksgiving-service.html#ixzz1wwbL4d9o

This comment really resonates with me. In public Kate appears consistently more at ease with Harry than she does with her own husband. It always appears that Kate is more invested in their relationship and more invested in William than William is invested in Kate. There are many moments that the camera captures of Kate looking adoringly at William and yet I am yet to see one single image of William returning this look and listening aptly to Kate. At the concert William also appeared more interested in Harry than in Kate it is as though Harry is acting as a peace maker between the two. The following comments are also quite fitting:

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Elegance personified. Great role model for young women! - Rach, Shetland, 5/6/2012 13:35 Come on now..........'Kate' may be elegant, but a 'role model for young women'?..........enlighten me as to how 'Kate' can possibly be a 'role model'? Her one achievement has been to marry into the Royal Family. As for Prince William he married into her family as he lacked a 'family' set-up and 'the middletons' gave it to him on a plate. Whether that will be enough when the novelty drops off remains to be seen, but in recent days he has looked strained.

- Rob, England UK, 5/6/2012 14:55

This is going to get red arrowed but, really some of these comments are beyond ridiculous. "She looks so elegant and pretty, it makes me proud to be British" good grief, because some woman that you don't know, that hasn't really done anything other than been very patient and waited out a man and can wear clothes well ( she does look very pretty!) makes you proud. Sorry, but in the 21st century I would not want any daughter of mine looking up to this young woman as a role model, unless you talking how to wear clothes and hats. I'm really not bashing her, but she did squander a fabulous education, she just is not anyone to be particularly proud of or to be set as an example to young women.

- Karen, Santa Barbara, SoCal., 5/6/2012

There is something not right with William and Kate. They look very frosty and distant from each other. William has been acting like he'd rather be with Harry than his wife and he looks stressed. Kate is far too skinny and cameras add about 10 pounds so I imagine that in real life she looks skeletal. William needs to pull it together he chose to marry her and Kate needs to eat something before she becomes very ill.

- JLD, Oxford, 5/6/2012 14:25

The body language between them continues to not be good! Kate was frozen in her seat last night and there was little eye contact between them. He seems to be standing quite far away from her today and never looks at her again. Wonder why Wills looks so distant...

- London Laddie, Castle of Discontent, UK, 5/6/2012 12:25


 


I also have to laugh at the irony of this comment regarding skimpy clothing:

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Boy, am I fed up with the Kate haters! So she was a loyal girlfriend/fiancee for some years, perhaps that means that she & William might have a better chance than the previous generation of making their marriage work! She always looks smart, beautiful & appropriate, but maybe that's what get those who always criticise her! As for the mother who doesn't want her as a role model for her daughters, what a shame! Perhaps she thinks standing about posing, usually semi naked, falling drunken out of nightclubs & not even managing more than some incoherent words on vacuous TV programmes, is harder work & deserves much more money, so they can dress ever more skimpy?? If so, no wonder so many youngsters behave & dress so badly & it just goes to show how far we have sunk these days when it comes to choosing role models!! As for her being too thin to produce children, due to a natural high metabolism I was just over 7 stone at 5'8" when I had my 2 sons in 2 years, without any problem!

- Jill, London , 5/6/2012 13:22

 as I don't believe clothing comes any skimpier than this:

http://stylebinge.ocregister.com/tag/see-through-dress/

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It's about time some class was brought back to this world ! I was so sick of woman walking around half naked to get anyone to notice them ! what a breath of fresh air kate , we love her style and elegance more people like her so we can save our self respect people !!!!

- Anna, Fl USA , 5/6/2012 12:22




 Why do all of the Kate fans seem to forget the images of Kate Middleton falling out of nightclubs and the numerous crotch shots? Why do they ask if posters who are realistic towards her would prefer William married a WAG. William did marry a WAG. A WAGs only role in life is to pander to the person keeping them in their designer clothing, while going shopping and visit hair stylists. Sounds exactly like Kate to me.







Title: Re: National Service of Thanksgiving - June 5
Post by: buflesse on June 05, 2012, 08:07:56 pm
http://24.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m55ncigoUN1r0e0igo1_400.jpg

Definitely wearing fake eyelashes here. How much make-up does she need to put on?!



Title: Re: National Service of Thanksgiving - June 5
Post by: Maya on June 05, 2012, 08:35:50 pm
The three Stooges! William, Kate and Harry are as thick as thieves as they make merry during Queen's Jubilee celebrations

Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/femail/article-2154970/The-Stooges-William-Kate-Harry-thieves-make-merry-Queens-Jubilee-celebrations.html#ixzz1wwtNUiZG


I think the comments say everything:

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Remind me- who is married to who?

- Anon, South Wales, UK, 05/6/2012 19:46

her and harry look more in love than her and william half the time

- emily , canada, 05/6/2012 19:42


I do love them, although there does seem to be more of an obvious relationship between Harry and Kate, but they're a lovely bunch

- Katherine, London, 05/6/2012 19:41


One thinks Kate should have married Harry ! William just looks miserable.

- Helen, Bath, 05/6/2012 19:40


Back on topic I think the Queen looked amazing throughout the festivities. I think the flotilla was ill advised and turned into something that had to be endured rather than a cause for celebration. More consideration should have been given to the Queen and Prince Philip's advancing years. I also was underwhelmed by the content of the concert but I thought the public support for a lacklustre and somewhat cheesy show was amazing. The uniting of a nation around these days of celebration was truly breathtaking.


Title: Re: National Service of Thanksgiving - June 5
Post by: Anne-Elliot on June 05, 2012, 08:36:24 pm
Her sunken, wrinkled, face is frightening.  SJP must be putting some serious pressure on the press to keep quiet about WK's eating disorder.  


Title: Re: National Service of Thanksgiving - June 5
Post by: lothwen on June 05, 2012, 08:56:42 pm
I think Kate (for once) looked lovely and appropriate today, but even a lovely dress can't mask her behavior.  Yes, I understand this was a day of celebration, and you're celebrating a Jubilee (jubilant) but look around you.  Everyone else is subdued and understated. 

And as for Willy boy-grow a pair why don't you?  No one forced you to marry this woman.  Even if she blackmailed you, you could have faced the scandal.  Your father and brother have both been raked over the coals in the eyes of the public and they both have emereged on the other side scarred, but stronger because of it.  But because you don't want anything to tarnish your "Golden Boy" image you behave like a child and pout and through a tantrum and expect everyone else to clean up your messes.  Frankly I don't care if Kate chased after you for 10 years, or if no one else in your immediate circle wanted to date you.  You could have met somebody in Argentina.  You could have met somebody on your motorcycle ride in Africa.  You could have met somebody in the military.  You had plenty of opportunities to meet a nice young hardworking down-to-earth woman who would be an equal partner with you and challenge you to be the best leader you could be and yet you chose to stay with the woman who made things easy for you.  So stop looking miserable, stop pouting, and start acting like a man.  :angry:


Title: Re: National Service of Thanksgiving - June 5
Post by: Alexandrine on June 05, 2012, 10:19:02 pm
What a triumph! Liz Jones gives her Diamond Jubilee fashion verdict

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/femail/article-2154971/Diamond-Jubilee-2012-Liz-Jones-gives-fashion-verdict.html

Guess who wore the shortest skirt to the thanksgiving service today? Leaders' wives battle it out in the style stakes on final day of Jubilee celebrations

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/femail/article-2154820/Queens-Diamond-Jubilee-2012-Leaders-wives-dress-occasion-St-Pauls-Cathedral.html

Hats off to the Royals! Queen and Duchess Kate sparkle in flattering designs... But just what was Zara thinking?

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/femail/article-2154935/Diamond-Jubilee-2012-Queen-Kate-Middleton-sparkle-flattering-designs.html


Title: Re: National Service of Thanksgiving - June 5
Post by: Alexandrine on June 05, 2012, 10:21:40 pm
This made me laugh

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Prince William will be placed at the Engineers and Arbitrators table, while Kate will be joined by the Master Glovers and Pattenmakers

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/femail/article-2154820/Queens-Diamond-Jubilee-2012-Leaders-wives-dress-occasion-St-Pauls-Cathedral.html


Title: Re: National Service of Thanksgiving - June 5
Post by: YooperModerator on June 05, 2012, 10:29:43 pm
Forget about the darn hat's ladies
Look at the stunner brooch HM is wearing!
That is the cullinan brooch, III & IV if I'm not mistaken! :flirt:
http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2012/06/05/article-2154935-13756088000005DC-51_310x526.jpg
http://thestar.blogs.com/.a/6a00d8341bf8f353ef0163058e2353970d-800wi


Title: Re: National Service of Thanksgiving - June 5
Post by: Alexandrine on June 05, 2012, 11:29:57 pm
Princess Michael photos are awesome

http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2012/06/05/article-2154797-1375E64F000005DC-836_964x644.jpg her b*tch please face

http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2012/06/05/article-2154783-137517C9000005DC-275_964x502.jpg


Title: Re: National Service of Thanksgiving - June 5
Post by: Jane23 on June 05, 2012, 11:32:05 pm
Looks like Willy wants nothing to do with his wife ...poor Hazza  :there: having to endure the mess well it's over now he can go back to his base and leave his brother in his misery   :sigh:.


@ Alexandrine Princess of Kent is awesome  :laugh:.


Title: Re: National Service of Thanksgiving - June 5
Post by: Magnolia on June 06, 2012, 12:09:46 am
That was a sickening sight: a mistress and a limpet as futur Queen Consorts. This is the trash we have to look forward too.

Pretty much until the sheep wake up and thrown them all out.
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I wished somehow, HM would've been the only one on the balcony as this was her celebration.
I agree the  Climberton was covered by the printed press 98% of the time not really HM.

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Demure 'Kate looked the epitome of ladylike.
Unbelieveable she married a titled man and suddendly she's ladylike unlike before when the press basically called all sorts of pretty bad names.
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Duchesss of Cambridge looked regal.
No she didn't! looked up that word it doesn't come close to what she looked like or looks like she looked more like a graham cracker.http://images.wikia.com/recipes/images/5/5a/GrahamCrackers.jpg (http://images.wikia.com/recipes/images/5/5a/GrahamCrackers.jpg)


Title: Re: National Service of Thanksgiving - June 5
Post by: YooperModerator on June 06, 2012, 12:15:05 am
http://www3.pictures.zimbio.com/bg/Jubilee+closing+service+kB-uohPjWRnl.jpg
Look at Bea's face, she seems very happy with kate doesn't she, reminds me of Christmas for some reason :tehe:

http://www3.pictures.zimbio.com/bg/Jubilee+closing+service+AMRvTeIlIicl.jpg
Hihi what a snap! Sticking out your tongue at someone is not done polite circles, Kate! even if it's at Camilla!

http://www2.pictures.zimbio.com/bg/Jubilee+closing+service+6C9VWD_3EKkl.jpg
The plotting bothers:
Andy we need to get rid of that hyena my son married, asap!
Cool, count me in Charly, she been bitching at my Bea for while now....
I'll give you a call when I think of an more effective way to make it look accidental.
Yeah another car crash would be odd...
Well.. see you around little bro
Yup, bye now'


Title: Re: National Service of Thanksgiving - June 5
Post by: Jane23 on June 06, 2012, 12:49:21 am
^  lmao .


Title: Re: National Service of Thanksgiving - June 5
Post by: YooperModerator on June 06, 2012, 01:20:28 am
Glad I could amuse you :tehe:


Title: Re: National Service of Thanksgiving - June 5
Post by: Nighthawk on June 06, 2012, 02:12:25 am
PW and WK are in for a hell of a time IMO these past 3 days PW doesn't look pleased to be around his so called wife.  PH and WK look more like a couple than PW and her do, that's sad...poor harry having to entertain his sister in law becuase his brother can't stand to be around his wife.

HM looked wonderful.  Long Live the Queen!!!!!!!  thank you all for the pics and articles.

OH and for the boat situation the Press should be smearing WK name not saying how great she is..what she did walking off the boat is not acceptable at all Kate should go back to princess training since the last 3 takes didn't do much for her


Title: Re: National Service of Thanksgiving - June 5
Post by: Kezza on June 06, 2012, 03:20:34 am
The reason the other members of the RF were not on the balcony is they were off visiting Prince Philip in hospital after the St Paul's service.


Title: Re: National Service of Thanksgiving - June 5
Post by: YooperModerator on June 06, 2012, 03:24:26 am
yeah and I bet Philip was throwing a right fit that they were not on the balcony at the time but instead choose to come and 'fuss' over him! :laugh:


Title: Re: National Service of Thanksgiving - June 5
Post by: Snokitty on June 06, 2012, 03:39:00 am
I think they went to visit Prince Phillip because they were told not to show up on the balcony. Charles wanted to show the future of the Monarchy. It seems the people who do the majority of the royal engagements are not wanted now. Well they are wanted to keep on doing the engagements but they are not important anymore. Charles and his family are all that matter now. They are trying to show that they are also going through austerity.    :laugh:
After the Queen goes I hope his Brothers and his Sister tell him to go stuff himself. William and Kate will be forced to do royal duties every day, all day long to pick up the slack.  :P


Title: Re: National Service of Thanksgiving - June 5
Post by: Alexandrine on June 06, 2012, 09:24:22 am
The reason the other members of the RF were not on the balcony is they were off visiting Prince Philip in hospital after the St Paul's service.

Not true, it was decided long ago. It has nothing to do with DoE,


Title: Re: National Service of Thanksgiving - June 5
Post by: georgiana on June 06, 2012, 09:32:51 am
^Besides, wasnt only edward pictured at the hospital?


Title: Re: National Service of Thanksgiving - June 5
Post by: Kezza on June 06, 2012, 09:34:48 am
Apparently Prince Andrew went as well.


Title: Re: National Service of Thanksgiving - June 5
Post by: Jane23 on June 06, 2012, 10:02:54 am
Chuck CAN'T WIN !!!  :bored: For 10 people who bash him for "cutting off" the RF 10 others will bash him if he doesn't  :sigh:...other than that I am not surprised at all there was a good reason for the rest of the family not being in the Balcony and he had NOTHING to do with it   :wopedo:.


Title: Re: National Service of Thanksgiving - June 5
Post by: meememe on June 06, 2012, 10:07:31 am
I don't have a problem per se with a smaller turnout on the balcony but do believe that three other people should have been there - Her Majesty's other three children - they have been as much a part of her reign, particularly Anne who has been there throughout, as Charles in many ways (ok Andrew and Edward weren't there are the beginning of the reign but they are her children).  Quite happy for them to not have their spouses but do think it was an insult to Anne in particular that she wasn't there. 


Title: Re: National Service of Thanksgiving - June 5
Post by: True Brit on June 06, 2012, 10:09:12 am
It was an official decision by the Queen and her advisers to emphasise the line of succession after she's gone (although they didn't exactly put it that way).

It was to show HM, Prince Charles and PW & PH. Camilla and Kate are really nothing to do with it for the purposes of this exercise and unless Kate produces and offspring she will never have anything to do with it.

There have been many complaints from the general public who wanted to see the whole family. Richard Palmer at the Express called it "Kremlinesque" in its symbolism.


Title: Re: National Service of Thanksgiving - June 5
Post by: Jane23 on June 06, 2012, 10:27:51 am
^ You can't please everyone  :roll:.


Title: Re: National Service of Thanksgiving - June 5
Post by: Kezza on June 06, 2012, 12:07:32 pm
http://youtu.be/Dw_0n6jgb2s

Highlights from yesterday.

http://youtu.be/daU6vSmQA0w

The view from someone in the crowd of the procession.


Title: Re: National Service of Thanksgiving - June 5
Post by: Mooster on June 06, 2012, 12:17:42 pm
Charles wanted to show the future of the Monarchy. It seems the people who do the majority of the royal engagements are not wanted now. Well they are wanted to keep on doing the engagements but they are not important anymore. Charles and his family are all that matter now. ]After the Queen goes I hope his Brothers and his Sister tell him to go stuff himself. William and Kate will be forced to do royal duties every day, all day long to pick up the slack.  :P

Well said  :thumbsup:

It was an official decision by the Queen and her advisers to emphasise the line of succession after she's gone (although they didn't exactly put it that way).

It was to show HM, Prince Charles and PW & PH. Camilla and Kate are really nothing to do with it for the purposes of this exercise and unless Kate produces and offspring she will never have anything to do with it.

There have been many complaints from the general public who wanted to see the whole family. Richard Palmer at the Express called it "Kremlinesque" in its symbolism.

If they wanted to just show the line of succession, they should have just had Charles, HM and William on the balcony (sorry Harry) and left those other two witches out of it.


Title: Re: National Service of Thanksgiving - June 5
Post by: buflesse on June 06, 2012, 12:41:46 pm
I agree, it was am insult to Anne, who has worked tirelessly for her mother and family throughout adulthood. Instead we get William and his lazy wife.


Title: Re: National Service of Thanksgiving - June 5
Post by: Nighthawk on June 06, 2012, 05:32:37 pm
'Strong, independent' William confident with pivotal role alongside Queen on Buckingham Palace balcony, says body language expert Judi James
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/femail/article-2154991/Body-language-expert-Judi-James-gives-royals-appear-Buckingham-Palace-balcony.html#ixzz1x21CIk1y


Title: Re: National Service of Thanksgiving - June 5
Post by: Jane23 on June 06, 2012, 09:38:09 pm
@ Mooster  Liz was born 3third in Line to The British Throne... so he is a DIRECT heir to The Throne :sly: that is why Harry was there ...besides that the family especially the siblings were visiting their father I am sure they will be at that damn Balcony again so everyone can sleep at night again (roll eyes).


Title: Re: National Service of Thanksgiving - June 5
Post by: Mooster on June 06, 2012, 09:47:02 pm
@Jane23   Harry's position isn't secure in the line of succession, he's only a spare (heir presumptive).


Title: Re: National Service of Thanksgiving - June 5
Post by: YooperModerator on June 06, 2012, 09:56:54 pm
err until kate squeezes out a kid or two harry remains nr 3 in line
he is still in line of succession AFAIK together with about 15 other members of the direct line.
the whole line of succession has about 200 ppl in it I think, many of them descendants of one of Victoria's 9 kid's.


Title: Re: National Service of Thanksgiving - June 5
Post by: Alexandrine on June 06, 2012, 10:10:54 pm
Yes but he is not a heir apparent


Title: Re: National Service of Thanksgiving - June 5
Post by: meememe on June 06, 2012, 10:35:29 pm
The line of succession from Victoria has about 4000 (Philip is about 400ish in his own right for instance).

The lowest in the line who attended many events is Princess Alexandra and she is 41st in the line but after her come her children and the Harwoods (descendents of HRH The Princess Royal, The Princess Mary daughter of George V) and then back to the descendents of HRH The Princess Royal, The Princess Louise daughter of Edward VII and then the descendents of HRH The Princess Maud better known as HM Queen Maud of Norway.  That makes the current King of Norway the top of the foreign royals in the line of succession and he is in the 60+s.  The newest person in the line is the new grandchild of the Duke of Gloucestor born last week.

After all the descendents of Queen Victoria the line goes back to descendents of the younger children of George III, if they don't have a better claim through other marriages e.g. the Hanovers claim is stronger through the female line rather than their Hanover ancestry because of a marriage between an earlier Hanover and the daughter of Queen Victoria's granddaughter.

Yes the present Queen was born 3rd in line and ended up Queen but Anne was also born 3rd in line and is now 10th, Andrew was born 2nd in line and is now 4th.  Harry is not actually a 'direct' line claimant as he is a younger son with a living older brother so he is the cadet line from Charles.  That would change if William died without legitimate issue and then he becomes the direct claimant.


Title: Re: National Service of Thanksgiving - June 5
Post by: YooperModerator on June 06, 2012, 10:38:12 pm
yeah well it would be awkward to have only tree ppl (queen, heir and 'grandheir) out there so...


Title: Re: National Service of Thanksgiving - June 5
Post by: Alexandrine on June 06, 2012, 10:41:05 pm
But if you want to make the RF smaller Harry shouldn't have a big role in the future, he is in the same place as Anne/Andrew/Edward in the past. If their kids shouldn't have the HRH treatment his shouldn't either for ex.  


Title: Re: National Service of Thanksgiving - June 5
Post by: Jane23 on June 06, 2012, 10:51:05 pm
^ Given that Liz and Chuck aren't immortal ( that I know of) if  Willy has two children he is still going to be 3third in Line to Be King of England ...he is not in Ann's position or will he ever be  :sly:...seriously is BASIC MATH ...and again the siblings were to visit their father they will be on that Balcony again for the love of all that is Holly.


Title: Re: National Service of Thanksgiving - June 5
Post by: Alexandrine on June 06, 2012, 10:53:46 pm
By that time William's children may even have married and had more children, he may be in Andrew's position. Who knows?


Title: Re: National Service of Thanksgiving - June 5
Post by: Jane23 on June 06, 2012, 10:58:35 pm
Why talk about  the future? For all we know there will be no future for The Monarchy between Republicans and Countries who want to ditch Liz  or are in the process of doing so are we really talking about Willy's grandchildren?  :bored: Willy himself might have no Throne to sit in ...


Title: Re: National Service of Thanksgiving - June 5
Post by: True Brit on June 06, 2012, 10:59:57 pm
 :thumbsup: I'm with you on this one Jane23  :flower:


Title: Re: National Service of Thanksgiving - June 5
Post by: Alexandrine on June 06, 2012, 11:05:06 pm
I will not forget this one TB  :snob:

Now seriously I'm not into the small royal family either but if they do it at least they should use some logic. Or it will look like jealousy from Charles.


Title: Re: National Service of Thanksgiving - June 5
Post by: True Brit on June 06, 2012, 11:22:02 pm
 :flower: :sorry: kisss  :hug:

Is that OK now?


Title: Re: National Service of Thanksgiving - June 5
Post by: Alexandrine on June 06, 2012, 11:26:29 pm
I will forgive you this time j/k

 :hug:


Title: Re: National Service of Thanksgiving - June 5
Post by: Mooster on June 06, 2012, 11:52:02 pm
I will not forget this one TB  :snob:

Now seriously I'm not into the small royal family either but if they do it at least they should use some logic. Or it will look like jealousy from Charles.

Exactly, nothing changes the fact that Harry is only heir presumptive - there is no logic in this balcony appearance - if they include Harry, then logically they needed to include the rest of the Queen's descendents.


Title: Re: National Service of Thanksgiving - June 5
Post by: buflesse on June 06, 2012, 11:59:35 pm
They probably stuck Harry on because possibly with the exception of HM and Philip he's the most popular one of the lot.


Title: Re: National Service of Thanksgiving - June 5
Post by: georgiana on June 07, 2012, 06:46:38 am
^ agreed about Harrys popularity, unlike the other royals, Harry looks sincere and committed when engaging in charity events and engagements, not like Kate who just looks like she's planning another shopping trip for a job well done IMO.


Title: Re: National Service of Thanksgiving - June 5
Post by: Jane23 on June 07, 2012, 08:29:07 am
But Liz's other children are 7th and 10th in Line to The Throne  Harry is 3th ...again BASIC MATH  :June:...that aside they will be on that damn Balcony again  :laundry: they just went to visit their 91 years old father who was in a hospital...having said all the above Harry will never be an Ann or an Edward ...when Liz and Chuck leave us Harry again for the 1038349th time will still be 3th in Line to The Throne and we all know Willy won't do without his brother again BASIC MATH tells us Harry will never be in Ann's position who is like 100th in Line to The Throne since the 80's  :wopedo: and no I don't care she was 2cond in Line to The Throne back in the 60's  :bored: the woman as hard working as she is can't be compared to Harry  :sly:...and don't get me started with Edward...he will be like 200th in Line to The Throne when Will and Harry start having children  Ann will be 300th...


Title: Re: National Service of Thanksgiving - June 5
Post by: June on June 07, 2012, 05:46:07 pm
I will not forget this one TB  :snob:

Now seriously I'm not into the small royal family either but if they do it at least they should use some logic. Or it will look like jealousy from Charles.

Exactly, nothing changes the fact that Harry is only heir presumptive - there is no logic in this balcony appearance - if they include Harry, then logically they needed to include the rest of the Queen's descendents.

Oh, yes there is!  :June: I reckon Harry was on there because the Queen does not think Kate is a sure thing to go the distance. Kate is still an "outsider", IMO and that is why Harry is still front row, centre with everything. Also, I think William can't cope without Harry. He's "non-negotiable" IMO.

I think it was strategic selection, to be sure Harry doesn't get forgotten, because Kate soon will be, IMO.


Title: Re: National Service of Thanksgiving - June 5
Post by: Jane23 on June 07, 2012, 06:46:59 pm
^ They have been working very hard for my man haven't they ? Wonder why  :cookie:...


Title: Re: National Service of Thanksgiving - June 5
Post by: Mooster on June 07, 2012, 10:45:28 pm
^ They have been working very hard for my man haven't they ? Wonder why  :cookie:...

Jane you are totally missing the point, it has nothing to do with basic maths...Harry is not heir apparent like Charles and Wills, he is the same as the rest of HM's descendents in that respect. Charles and Wills claim is fixed no matter what, Harry's like Andrew, Edward, Bea etc depends on death or disaster.  I really can't see what's so difficult to understand   :there:       Perhaps it is because the RF haven't got any faith in William for whatever reason  ???


Title: Re: National Service of Thanksgiving - June 5
Post by: Jane23 on June 08, 2012, 12:04:17 am
^ Or maybe because he is Prince of Wales ONLY other child...or maybe because Liz was 3Third in Line to The Throne when younger who knows...one thing is for sure you can't tell a woman who was born 3Third in Line to the British Throne the 3Third in Line To The British Throne isn't her DIRECT heir  :sly: again BASIC MATH...


Title: Re: National Service of Thanksgiving - June 5
Post by: Mooster on June 08, 2012, 12:13:37 am
^ Or maybe because he is Prince of Wales ONLY other child...or maybe because Liz was 3Third in Line to The Throne when younger who knows...one thing is for sure you can't tell a woman when was 3Third in Line to the British Throne the 3Third in Line To The British Throne isn't her DIRECT heir  :sly: again BASIC MATH...

Nope, if POW was going to include all his children then the Queen should have included all hers - basic logic.


Title: Re: National Service of Thanksgiving - June 5
Post by: YooperModerator on June 08, 2012, 12:22:37 am
Really gal's does it matter that much why he was there?
He was there, the jubilee pictures were made, end of story for me really...


Title: Re: National Service of Thanksgiving - June 5
Post by: Jane23 on June 08, 2012, 01:01:52 am
@Mooster  But they were visiting their father who was in The Hospital no one said they aren't going to be on The Balcony again  :sly:...besides that King Charles seems to be upon us so of course he is going to have his two boys on The Balcony with him just like Her Majesty had her 4 children and their children on The Balcony for decades ...besides that you are not making any sense you want people who are like 99 in Line to The Throne  on The Balcony but you have a problem with A DIRECT heir 3Third in Line To be KING being there?  :sly:


Title: Re: National Service of Thanksgiving - June 5
Post by: Mooster on June 08, 2012, 01:27:55 am
No, you are not making any sense.  Edward visited Philip in hospital that day presumably because he wasn't going to be on the balcony.  King Charles is not on us just yet, the Queen might outlive Charles for all you know.  HM had her 4 children on the balcony for decades because she was HM...Charles isn't HM yet.  Harry is not a direct heir, he is heir presumptive.  The object was, presumably, to show the direct unassailable succession and Harry isn't part of that - sorry to disappoint.  If the object was not to show the direct succession then HM should have included all her children who have supported her throughout her reign.   :sly:


Title: Re: National Service of Thanksgiving - June 5
Post by: Jane23 on June 08, 2012, 08:48:32 am
^ 1.They were visitng their father

2.Liz was 3third in Line to The Throne The Palace said her direct heirs would be on The Balcony so OBVIOUSLY Liz and The Palace disagrees with you ...


3.Being 7th in Line to The Throne and being 3th in Line To The Throne is a world away again BASIC MATH .


Title: Re: National Service of Thanksgiving - June 5
Post by: Mooster on June 08, 2012, 08:52:47 am
No, it's nothing to do with basic math, it is all to do with succession laws.  Harry is not a direct heir, that is the basic fact that you keep getting wrong over and over again.  Ye gads, it's like having a battle of wits with an unarmed person  :laugh:


Title: Re: National Service of Thanksgiving - June 5
Post by: June on June 08, 2012, 08:57:17 am
For whatever reason, Harry was there. Charles apparently wants only his sons and their families as part of the new streamlined royal family (doing duties). I believe the balcony appearance reflected that new royal order.

It would have looked mighty odd if Harry was precluded. Kate has only just married William. I think they are unsure about her, and to push Harry out of the way seems premature to me. He's still very involved with William in terms of their joint charity. I think it will always be that way.

Then, he is Diana's son ... so, not going to happen, IMO. I don't care if he's 3rd, or eventually becomes 10th in line ... well, the succession is not about 'basic math', but anyway ...  :tehe:


Title: Re: National Service of Thanksgiving - June 5
Post by: Mooster on June 08, 2012, 09:02:08 am
It's not about what Charles wants...it was HM's jubilee.  If she wanted to show her direct heirs, Harry shouldn't have been there - it's a snub to Andrew, Edward, Anne and their children.  Harry is heir presumptive the same as Andrew etc.


Title: Re: National Service of Thanksgiving - June 5
Post by: June on June 08, 2012, 09:16:00 am
I think it most certainly is 'about what Charles wants'. Sometimes, it's easy to get bogged down in details, forgetting the bigger picture. The Queen is at the end of her reign, not the beginning.

The BRF is on the fast train to get Charles accepted.

Anyway, I'm not in dispute about your argument. I'm just suggesting that it's moot.  :flower:


Title: Re: National Service of Thanksgiving - June 5
Post by: Mooster on June 08, 2012, 09:27:18 am
Yes, I can see that there is an agenda.  It's obvious that HM has been making a point of being pals with Camilla  :ick:  However, it's wrong and it shows the Windsors up for what they are. HM has not always been the best judge of what is the right track for the Royals to take.  Charles had better hope that Will, Kate and Harry cut the mustard because he might find himself on his own more than he'd like if he treats his family members like that.  Judging from what I've seen:  Will, Harry and Kate were verging on disgraceful during the Jubilee celebrations.  Harry was in church looking like a bozo with his legs akimbo, Kate looked bored and tired from a few days 'work', and as for Will the only time he didn't have a scowl on his face was when he was ogling Cheryl Cole on stage.

So, they're the future of the RF...well good luck with that one Charles, you're going to need it.


Title: Re: National Service of Thanksgiving - June 5
Post by: June on June 08, 2012, 09:32:29 am
I can appreciate your frustration, Mooster.  :there:

I'm not suggesting for one moment that I agree with pushing these younger royals to the forefront. But I just accept it because a pattern has been emerging. The BRF is in transition phase.

You've made some very astute observations in this last post.  :thumbsup:


Title: Re: National Service of Thanksgiving - June 5
Post by: Jane23 on June 08, 2012, 09:48:57 am
I do think The Balcony was all about Chuck  :king: and yes I do hope our lazy trio repays him the right way...other than that this HILARIOUS when Andrew is on that Balcony people whine he is living off their taxes and ask for him to go away  now they whine because he ain't on The Blacony lmao...besides that Her Majesty's birthday is coming up Andrew WILL be on That Balcony for everyone who missed him  :laugh: :laugh: :laugh: :laugh:.


Title: Re: National Service of Thanksgiving - June 5
Post by: Mooster on June 08, 2012, 10:08:28 am
^ Blimey, you are easily amused.     Anyway back to the issue, it doesn't matter that HM will include them next time, the fact that they were snubbed this time is what we are talking about.  Actually, it would serve Charles right if it backfires on him...I wait in delicious anticipation.  Camilla won't be a lot of use, she's as lazy as the others. 


Title: Re: National Service of Thanksgiving - June 5
Post by: buflesse on June 08, 2012, 01:08:09 pm
Yes, I can see that there is an agenda.  It's obvious that HM has been making a point of being pals with Camilla  :ick:  However, it's wrong and it shows the Windsors up for what they are. HM has not always been the best judge of what is the right track for the Royals to take.  Charles had better hope that Will, Kate and Harry cut the mustard because he might find himself on his own more than he'd like if he treats his family members like that.  Judging from what I've seen:  Will, Harry and Kate were verging on disgraceful during the Jubilee celebrations.  Harry was in church looking like a bozo with his legs akimbo, Kate looked bored and tired from a few days 'work', and as for Will the only time he didn't have a scowl on his face was when he was ogling Cheryl Cole on stage.

So, they're the future of the RF...well good luck with that one Charles, you're going to need it.

Totally agree with this. The younger royals have the celebrity appeal but lack substance, grace, and basic manners.


Title: Re: National Service of Thanksgiving - June 5
Post by: Snokitty on June 08, 2012, 02:37:27 pm
Although none of us know when it will happen some people including Charles seem to think the Jubilee was some kind of end to the Queen's reign. She is still the Queen and may like her Mother live to be over a hundred, if that is the case then it will be at least 15 years until King Charlie takes the throne.
Her children should have been there, all of her children not just the one who thinks he is all that matters. I think Charles used his Mothers kindness of letting him be in charge of the Jubilee arrangements to promote himself and the ugliest woman to ever marry into the royal family.
Some things never change it is always about Charles. Until people started asking "What the Hell" Charles was going to ride the Gloriana down the Thames with the Queen following.
Charles should just accept the fact that people aren't just interested in his little family but their interest lies in the entire royal family. He wants them all to keep working so he can look good but just go away when the work is done. I hope they do go away for Charlie when the Queen's days are over and teach him a lesson that he still hasn't learned at his age, in the big scheme of things he really isn't that important. The Queen made sure years ago that the line would continue with or without Charles. She did that by having four children and it is shameful that they weren't on that balcony.


Title: Re: National Service of Thanksgiving - June 5
Post by: benign on June 08, 2012, 03:55:36 pm
bad timing for PC to be doing this.. should have done this slowly and not used a major event to make a point. all of them should have been there no matter what...


Title: Re: National Service of Thanksgiving - June 5
Post by: Mooster on June 08, 2012, 05:16:52 pm
Good post Snokitty  :thumbsup:  I get the impression that Charles can't wait to jump into HM's shoes...this Jubilee was about celebrating her reign, not reminding us all what lies around the corner  *shudder*.  It was enough to turn anyone republican.  I also noticed in Charles speech a snarky little remark of 'some of us have enjoyed 3 jubilees' - it was like, if you don't hurry and get off that throne, I won't have one.  Another thing I didn't like was Camilla riding in the state landau with the Queen - WTF was that all about? 


Title: Re: National Service of Thanksgiving - June 5
Post by: Snokitty on June 08, 2012, 05:21:25 pm
 :thankyou: Mooster.

Camilla rode with the Queen so Charles could say look she is accepted that and he knew if Camilla was with the Queen that she wouldn't get booed again.  :laugh:


Title: Re: National Service of Thanksgiving - June 5
Post by: Alexandrine on June 08, 2012, 05:31:14 pm
C&C were with the Queen so she wouldn't be alone after the DoE couldn't attend, at first there were going to be three carriages not two.


Title: Re: National Service of Thanksgiving - June 5
Post by: lothwen on June 08, 2012, 05:55:29 pm
Wow.......

this idea that Charles "can't wait" to jump into his mother's shoes....so does that mean he goes to night praying he'll wake up one morning with news that his mother is dead and he is now King?  Because that's what many of you are implying.  That Charles wants to be King so badly even at the cost of losing his mother-a mother, I might add, whom he has shown nothing but respect, kindness, and affection for.  Unless Charles is just a very good actor  :sly:


I don't know why the Queen's other children were not on the balcony and Prince Harry was, but it's not up to me to decide what happens.  I find it hard to believe that the Queen let somebody else have all the say (even if he is her oldest son and heir) and so I'll bet you anything she had the final word. 


And finally, again I *despise* to break it to some of you, but it really doesn't matter if Charles "promotes" Camilla.  She could have been on a different barge, she could have not been on the balcony, and yet when Charles becomes King she will still be Queen Consort.  It doesn't matter what title she has-she will be the wife of the reigning monarch and as such will enjoy the privileges that being so entails. 


Title: Re: National Service of Thanksgiving - June 5
Post by: Alexandrine on June 08, 2012, 06:00:59 pm
The occasion was the funeral of Spencer’s father, the 8th Earl, and as the two men stood together the Prince remarked to the 27-year old 9th Earl:

‘You are so fortunate to have succeeded [to the title] when still young.’ Spencer was flabbergasted by the insensitivity of the Prince’s remark.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2099577/Still-waiting-crown--Charles-finally-accepts-Jubilee-hopes-biding-time-make-accept-Queen-Camilla.html

Read the whole article


Title: Re: National Service of Thanksgiving - June 5
Post by: Mooster on June 08, 2012, 06:05:20 pm
^  yes, I remember that  :worship: :-   I think he does covet the throne even if it means his mother passing...her death for him, IMO, will be bittersweet.


Title: Re: National Service of Thanksgiving - June 5
Post by: lothwen on June 08, 2012, 06:09:36 pm
^^That was an unfortunate statement to make, but for all we know he simply meant that there were things that the Earl couldn't do as the heir that he could now do as Earl and that Charles saw it as a positive that he could have a lifetime of fullfilling that role.


I'm sorry but I don't see Charles as this evil monster that some of you seem to see.  He's been groomed his entire life to be the future King, and he's waited a long time for that role, and because he's had to wait so long he's really been in limbo.


Title: Re: National Service of Thanksgiving - June 5
Post by: Alexandrine on June 08, 2012, 06:15:57 pm
I don't think he is evil but that he had wanted to be in the throne for a long time yes. It must be very difficult to be in his position, simply waiting for your mother to die so you can start the job you've been waiting for. But he could have spent his long waiting with a better attitude. Comments like the one to the earl Spencer shows what some of us find creepy from his behaviour.



Title: Re: National Service of Thanksgiving - June 5
Post by: Snokitty on June 08, 2012, 06:49:54 pm
If Charles had so much respect for the Queen he would not have told the world what a bad Mother she was to him. If he wasn't always waiting to sit on the throne he wouldn't be whingeing all the time about it taking so long.
It also doesn't matter if Camilla is going to be Queen Consort or not that doesn't mean we have to like her.
Charles and Camilla aren't wonderful people just because they have a position in the royal family anymore than Kate is. They are who they are but no one called him an evil monster they just merely stated their opinion of the situation.
The Queen turned over all decisions for the Jubilee to Charles, he was in charge. Can't blame the Queen for the mistakes Charles made.


Title: Re: National Service of Thanksgiving - June 5
Post by: Jane23 on June 08, 2012, 07:03:10 pm
^ @ Alexandrine Hearsay  :bored:...


@ lothwen Chuck haters will act like Liz is brain dead and Chuck makes all the decisions just so they wait for it...*despise* on him no way they will admit Liz had anything to do with it even though she was the one to say only her direct heirs would be on The Balcony...


Title: Re: National Service of Thanksgiving - June 5
Post by: Mooster on June 08, 2012, 07:36:11 pm
^ Harry is not a direct heir, so that statment that only her direct heirs were on the balcony is wrong.  Charles and William are her direct heirs, Harry is not.


Title: Re: National Service of Thanksgiving - June 5
Post by: lothwen on June 08, 2012, 08:35:02 pm
If Charles had so much respect for the Queen he would not have told the world what a bad Mother she was to him. If he wasn't always waiting to sit on the throne he wouldn't be whingeing all the time about it taking so long.
It also doesn't matter if Camilla is going to be Queen Consort or not that doesn't mean we have to like her.
Charles and Camilla aren't wonderful people just because they have a position in the royal family anymore than Kate is. They are who they are but no one called him an evil monster they just merely stated their opinion of the situation.
The Queen turned over all decisions for the Jubilee to Charles, he was in charge. Can't blame the Queen for the mistakes Charles made.

1. I'm not "blaming" the Queen for anything, but from what I know about her she is intimately involved with every State Dinner, or function and it's hard for me to believe that she wouldn't have been as involved in her own Jubilee. And how you can call the balcony a "mistake" is beyond me. 

2. I don't think Charles and Camilla are "wonderful" people, either with or without their positions in the firm.  I was simply stating that Charles is the heir and Camilla is his wife, and like it or not they are the future monarch and consort.  Whether I want them to be or not, they are.

3. I understand you don't have to like Camilla-to be honest, I neither like nor dislike her. 

4. Who amognst us has never complained about our parents?  I complained about my mom all the time, even told her I hated her at one point.  Does that mean I didn't ultimately love and respect her?  Did any of my friends tell me I wasn't allowed to grieve after her death because I once went on a tangent about how my mom was the most unfair person in the entire world?  No, they didn't. 

For goodness sakes, Charles is human and he doesn't always say the right things.  Really, to me, it's just not that big of a deal  :bored:


Title: Re: National Service of Thanksgiving - June 5
Post by: Mooster on June 08, 2012, 08:52:02 pm
^ Charles is not an ordinary run of the mill person.  Part of his job is to engage his brain before operating his mouth because his words are read and heard by millions.  I wonder if William will also be circling Charles like a vulture towards the end of his reign.  Nice.


Title: Re: National Service of Thanksgiving - June 5
Post by: Snokitty on June 08, 2012, 09:05:06 pm
@ lothwen

1. The Queen turned all the control of the Jubilee over to Charles, do you honestly think after doing that she would undercut her own Son by over riding the decisions that he made.

2. Everyone understands that he will be King and Camilla will be Queen Consort and some of us don't care whether they make it to the throne or not.

3. I understand this fact Camilla is who she has always been and PR will not change that.

4. People are allowed to complain about their parents but someone in Charles's position should not be doing it publicly, his Mother happens to be the Queen. She is a person who has survived off of her image.

Charles is human but what kind of a man is he really?


Title: Re: National Service of Thanksgiving - June 5
Post by: Jane23 on June 08, 2012, 09:59:45 pm
@ Mooster  OK I will talk about this for the last time  because I am tired of this useless discussion  :bored: if you want to be all "technical" about it William is NOT her direct heir either he is the heir to her heir  :wopedo:...so by that logic only Prince Charles should have been on The Balcony because William is his heir not Elizabeth's BOTH  Prince William and Prince Harry are Prince Charles DIRECT heirs so BOTH belonged into The Balcony Ann who is like 99th in Line to The Throne and again by that logic is NOT an heir to anything doesn't but she has always been there because Her Majesty is her mother so again by that logic given that he is Prince Charles' s son Harry was where he belonged and there is no question he is a DIRECT heir to The British Throne being he 3 heart beats from the Throne I don't know why we are even talking about this nonsense...you have to explain to me why you have a problem with Harry being there when Ann who doesn't even come close to him has and will always be on that damn Balcony  ???.


Title: Re: National Service of Thanksgiving - June 5
Post by: Mooster on June 08, 2012, 11:35:42 pm
Anne is not 99th in line to the throne.  William is a direct heir to HM.  To save face, I suggest you go and do some research before you post.


Title: Re: National Service of Thanksgiving - June 5
Post by: Mooster on June 08, 2012, 11:53:27 pm
Just to clarify Anne is 10th in line to the throne.  Prince Andrew is 4th in line - just one behind Harry.  Andrew and the other heirs presumptive should have been there on the balcony, it should not have been a propaganda exercise for Prince Charles.  It was HM's Jubilee, not his.  If it was just to showcase those with an unchanging claim to the throne, then Harry should not have been there.  Simple.


Title: Re: National Service of Thanksgiving - June 5
Post by: Snokitty on June 08, 2012, 11:59:17 pm
 :thumbsup:  kisss


Title: Re: National Service of Thanksgiving - June 5
Post by: Jane23 on June 09, 2012, 01:00:23 am
The Palace says he is  :sly: so I have no face to save...because Their Queen is someone who was born 3third in Line to The British Throne...it's all about Prince Charles now because he and only he is her heir and his boys through him are her direct heirs too Ann is so down The Line it's embarrassing  but she still got to be on that Balcony for decades now she has to go because Prince Charles and his boys are taking over get over it ...Liz seems under the impression Harry is her heir  :tehe:...so who are we to question it  the woman clearly regards him as her heir which he is for the love of all that is holly...can we please give this nonsense a rest now? Chuck is taking over his siblings are goners period . For a little perspective:

Prince Henry of Wales (Henry Charles Albert David; born 15 September 1984), commonly known as Prince Harry,[1] is the younger son of Charles, Prince of Wales and Diana, Princess of Wales, and fourth grandchild of Queen Elizabeth II and Prince Philip, Duke of Edinburgh. As such, he is third in the line of succession to the thrones of sixteen independent sovereign states known as the Commonwealth realms, and to the governorship of the Church of England


On his 18th birthday, Prince Harry was granted his own personal coat of arms, consisting of the arms of the sovereign in right of the United Kingdom with a label for difference.




Title: Re: National Service of Thanksgiving - June 5
Post by: Snokitty on June 09, 2012, 01:26:13 am
That is what I am hoping for. I want his siblings to go and let Charles do it without their help at all. That would teach him why a person should show some gratitude for the work done by others to keep everything going.  :laugh:


Title: Re: National Service of Thanksgiving - June 5
Post by: Mooster on June 09, 2012, 02:44:26 am
The Palace says he is  :sly: so I have no face to save...because Their Queen is someone who was born 3third in Line to The British Throne...it's all about Prince Charles now because he and only he is her heir and his boys through him are her direct heirs too Ann is so down The Line it's embarrassing  but she still got to be on that Balcony for decades now she has to go because Prince Charles and his boys are taking over get over it ...Liz seems under the impression Harry is her heir  :tehe:...so who are we to question it  the woman clearly regards him as her heir which he is for the love of all that is holly...can we please give this nonsense a rest now? Chuck is taking over his siblings are goners period . For a little perspective:

Prince Henry of Wales (Henry Charles Albert David; born 15 September 1984), commonly known as Prince Harry,[1] is the younger son of Charles, Prince of Wales and Diana, Princess of Wales, and fourth grandchild of Queen Elizabeth II and Prince Philip, Duke of Edinburgh. As such, he is third in the line of succession to the thrones of sixteen independent sovereign states known as the Commonwealth realms, and to the governorship of the Church of England


On his 18th birthday, Prince Harry was granted his own personal coat of arms, consisting of the arms of the sovereign in right of the United Kingdom with a label for difference.




Harry may be third in line to the throne, but Andrew is fourth.  Andrew is also a Duke.  Harry is just a spare, same as Andrew, same as Bea.  It's not all about Prince Charles, HM is still alive and kicking.  This was her Jubilee, to celebrate her reign...it wasn't her swansong.  So you are still missing the point. 

@ Snokitty...I'm sure William, Kate, Camilla and Harry will do all Anne, Edward, Sophie and Andrew's engagements from now on if they told Charles he's on his own now  :eightball:


Title: Re: National Service of Thanksgiving - June 5
Post by: Magnolia on June 09, 2012, 03:30:41 am
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Yes because this was all about Kate.the look on her smug face say it all,"Ive arrived".She is a vain,boring and a totally unsuitable mate for William.Did I mention conceited and immature? Sue,Devonshire,UK
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The women look like badly made up Pantomime Dames.CIAFrank,Leeds


Title: Re: National Service of Thanksgiving - June 5
Post by: June on June 09, 2012, 06:19:12 am
Wow.......

this idea that Charles "can't wait" to jump into his mother's shoes....so does that mean he goes to night praying he'll wake up one morning with news that his mother is dead and he is now King?  Because that's what many of you are implying.  That Charles wants to be King so badly even at the cost of losing his mother-a mother, I might add, whom he has shown nothing but respect, kindness, and affection for.  Unless Charles is just a very good actor  :sly:


I don't know why the Queen's other children were not on the balcony and Prince Harry was, but it's not up to me to decide what happens.  I find it hard to believe that the Queen let somebody else have all the say (even if he is her oldest son and heir) and so I'll bet you anything she had the final word. 


And finally, again I *despise* to break it to some of you, but it really doesn't matter if Charles "promotes" Camilla.  She could have been on a different barge, she could have not been on the balcony, and yet when Charles becomes King she will still be Queen Consort.  It doesn't matter what title she has-she will be the wife of the reigning monarch and as such will enjoy the privileges that being so entails. 

And, also relating to your other brilliant posts:

 :worship:  :worship:  :worship:

I utterly agree. I think there is a great deal of unfairness directed at Charles. I think he is quite a sensitive man. He was shattered at Diana's funeral. And, IMO, it was genuine. I think he will make a brilliant King.

Anyway, I did not detect any bitterness in his speech, just affection and pride for his mother.

With respect, I think some posters are getting so tangled up in the succession line, you might be missing the bigger picture.  :flower:

The BRF has to sell itself to the Commonwealth countries too, like Australia. We are on the brink of becoming a republic. I say that meaning, after HM dies. Once Australia goes, it will send out alarm bells because of the tenuous grip on Canada and possibly NZ. Then, the UK republican movement will be energised, IMO.

The Queen, as we all agree, is no fool. She wants her family to continue to reign for generations to come. If she has the "old guard" up on the balcony, it just won't work. She was sending a message. And yes, I don't believe Charles is pulling her strings - yet.

And as for Harry, as pointed out elsewhere, it has been made clear that he is a part of the future of the monarchy - by both William and Charles (the direct heirs). So can we just move on?  :sigh:

I'm just trying to point out that it is no longer just about the Queen in England and the UK. There is a wider picture here to be considered. That is why William has visited twice. That is why he wanted to visit here after his marriage (but was turned down as the PM invited CP Mary to flog her carbon tax  :wopedo:). That is why the Queen visited us last year. Australia is very important to the British monarchy.


Title: Re: National Service of Thanksgiving - June 5
Post by: Snokitty on June 09, 2012, 06:45:32 am
The Monarchy doesn't play the role that they did centuries ago. Today they are giving an exorbitant amount of money to cut ribbons, throw dirt on planted tress, etc.
If the commonwealth countries decided to get rid of the Monarchy in their countries I don't have a problem with that, they are after all independent of Great Britain.
If they want to sell themselves to someone shouldn't it be Scotland, Wales or Northern Ireland. If they were to lose those countries there would be no Great Britain just England.
If you spend your time and energy worrying about someone else's house your own will fall into disrepair.
Knowing about Charles over the years In my opinion this was to showcase Charles. It was typical for him "Look at me I am the important one here".


Title: Re: National Service of Thanksgiving - June 5
Post by: June on June 09, 2012, 06:51:06 am
With respect, that is not the point I was making.  :flower:

All you have done is pass your opinion on whether the BRF ought to care about the Commonwealth countries. That is not your decision to make.

But the fact is that these countries are a central part of its survival. The recent tours to Australia, Canada and NZ confirm this position.  :flower:

It's beside the point whether or not you personally care. It's about the institution's survival and whether or not the powers-that-be care. And clearly they do - very much.

I respect your opinion on Charles and your right to express it. I just don't agree.


Title: Re: National Service of Thanksgiving - June 5
Post by: Snokitty on June 09, 2012, 07:26:23 am
If the BRF cares so much about the commonwealth countries why not send a member to the different countries to have continual representation and they could sell themselves every day. Could it be because the commonwealth countries don't want them there?
There are only 16 commonwealth countries left and they will get rid of the Monarchy once the Queen is gone.

Why does the BRF think they have a right to sway the citizens of these countries decisions? The colonial days are over and gone.
 
There have been so many different reasons for why the Queens children were snubbed that I can't keep up with them all. It began with showing austerity so the people could see that they were cutting expenses and it has evolved to be about the Commonwealth countries.

There are people all over the world who do not care for Charles and Camilla, why would them standing on a balcony or riding in a carriage change that?

When I post my opinion I am not representing the Institution or it's survival but I am representing myself. Isn't that what we all do on the forums express our own individual opinions. If your opinion is to help the institution survive then good for you.

Another opinion of mine is that all Charles was thinking when Diana died was how is this going to affect me. I find it hard to believe that a man is shattered about the death of a person that he couldn't tolerate.


Title: Re: National Service of Thanksgiving - June 5
Post by: June on June 09, 2012, 07:58:44 am
I'm not going to debate this with you in detail since I find that we are on two separate tangents.

I'm not here as an advocate for the British monarchy. I'm not here to denigrate your opinion or diminish your right to express it. And, I'm certainly not here to debate whether or not the BRF will survive in Commonwealth countries - or its reasons for wanting to do so.

Nor am I going to debate hypotheticals with you, which you are proposing. It's just not the way my mind works in debate.

I am simply expressing facts about recent visits by members of the BRF to Australia, Canada and NZ. This supports the proposition that the BRF wants to continue to reign over those countries. IMO, this explains, in-part (but not entirely) the balcony scene, which has caused some heated debate by virtue of its anomalous presence.

Again, it is not up for you - or I for that matter - to deny the BRF the right to so act over its subjects of the Commonwealth. I presented some brief facts and that doesn't seem to sit well with you. That's fine, your prerogative. But please remember, as it stands, the Queen is also the Queen of Australia and this Jubilee had some meaning for Oz also. It did not go unnoticed.

Now, I do know a thing or two about Australia's relationship with the BRF that you may not. It's only natural. I'm Australian and know a thing or two about politics and law. I'm not going to go into it now because it is off-topic and I don't care to.

But, just because YOU have decided that all the Commonwealth countries will not remain as Constitutional monarchies does not make it so. It does not mean the BRF thinks it's a hopeless case. It's a LOT more complicated than what you are suggesting, or even what I am posting here.

In Australia, at least, some of us think there are very good reasons for keeping the monarchy. It's not about personal feelings toward the Queen and her family. It's about our Constitution. But the only way the BRF can "sell" itself to us is to send its members on visits and to respect our right to govern our own country as we see fit.

Clearly, you despise Charles and my dissenting opinion of him doesn't abide with yours (obviously). I'm sorry about that and if it causes you sensitivity. But that is not something that I can change.


Title: Re: National Service of Thanksgiving - June 5
Post by: Mooster on June 09, 2012, 09:20:51 am
The Commonwealth countries partly because they are so distant are more progressive in that they don't see the point of having an archaic institution heading them up.  In Britain, we are so used to centuries of ingrained forelock tugging that we can't imagine life without the RF.  However, Scotland etc are now starting to shake off the shackles.  Members of the BRF don't care enough about the commonwealth countries to go and live there...goodness, they've got it too cosy back in Blighty with its ready made fawning citizens. 

If Charles thinks that basking himself, his spawn and their scheming wives in the limelight will sell themselves as the future of Britain and the Commonwealth...(sorry, I can hardly type for laughing) he's in for a big shock.  In fact it just highlights what we've got to look forward to...and it's not an alluring prospect.  The majority of people have lost a lot of respect for him and his aging, horsey wife and see them as self serving, deceitful opportunists - if they can deceive a young, beautiful, innocent Diana and treat her abominably, they will have no trouble treating the taxpayer with the same contempt - people don't trust them.  The Telegraph even acknowledge that the majority of people don't want him...and, I'm guessing, they won't want William and Thing either when they see how reluctant they are to take on more work as a result of Charles paring down the RF.

I agree Snokitty, that all Charles was thinking when Diana died was how is this going to affect himself.  Any sorrow was IMO due to the guilt of how he mistreated her when she was alive.


Title: Re: National Service of Thanksgiving - June 5
Post by: June on June 09, 2012, 10:00:50 am
Well, as stated to SnoKitty, you may scoff all you like. You may not approve. But the fact is the BRF doesn't think it is a lost cause. That is what matters, pertaining to my point.

I wouldn't call Australia 'progressive'. But I would call Australians irreverent, not subscribing to class warfare. It's an issue here right now.  :spy:

And, with respect, you are not Australian, so you don't know how the mood is over here. I know what's going on behind the scenes a bit, so it most certainly is not a "done deal" - not yet. Changing our Constitution - any Constitution - is a big deal.

I admit, I thought it was a fait accompli, but the political landscape in Oz has changed dramatically. Like I said, it's not about the members of the BRF - it's so much more than that. So, most Australians don't care about Camilla and Kate. Charles is not well liked, but I'm not sure it's enough for us to become a republic. With regards to Australia, it's not really personal - in the main - the way it seems to be in Britain.

The BRF cannot live in Oz, or any member of it, which you well know. We have the best of both worlds: we don't pay for the BRF, but we get the stability of a constitutional monarchy. It keeps out corruption at the top.

I appreciate your input on Charles and your right to express that opinion. It's just diverse opinion. But when it comes to expressing an opinion on Australia's position with the monarchy, I disagree based on the fact that I have considerable idea about what the real issues and obstacles are.

There are many things I could say but haven't and I don't intend to. But we do have monarchists in this country - high profile ones too.

Anyway, I just offered a point of view as to why the balcony scene was so slimmed. I'm happy to agree to disagree.  :flower:


Title: Re: National Service of Thanksgiving - June 5
Post by: Mooster on June 09, 2012, 10:07:27 am

And, with respect, you are not Australian, so you don't know how the mood is over here. I know what's going on behind the scenes a bit, so it most certainly is not a "done deal" - not yet. Changing our Constitution - any Constitution - is a big deal.


Even though you have prefaced this comment 'with respect', I don't think it's respectful at all.  I could equally dismiss all your comment with the reason that, with respect, you are thousands of miles away so what do you know - I'm nearer to the hub of the BRF.


Title: Re: National Service of Thanksgiving - June 5
Post by: June on June 09, 2012, 10:58:41 am
Actually, I meant it.  :flower: I respect you as a Brit with good opinions. You might be a bit sensitive and I can't help that.

You can't dismiss what is 'fact'. And the fact is that you are not Australian and don't know what is going on here. Well, at least you have shown ignorance to it ... I don't claim to know anything about the British mind. I merely offered an opinion that was based in fact.

You have been arguing as to why Harry was on the balcony. I offered an explanation for it. If you don't agree, that's fine. But there is absolutely no need to invent an argument about the merits of what I know, or not, about the BRF.

You have put it upon yourself to tell me what my countrymen will do and what type of country I live in ('progressive'). Do you not agree that you are being presumptuous? When have I ever stated that I know what the Brits will do and what type of continent it is?  :-

If anyone should take offence, it is I, as Australian. I think I responded with good grace.

I'm just letting you know that decisions for Australia to become a republic will not boil down to personalities of the BRF. If that were the case, then William could save the day. But it is beyond that.

Now, I have never presumed to know if and why the Brits would keep or scrap the monarchy. All I proposed was that if prominent Commonwealth countries become republics, it may reinvigorate republicanism in the UK.

And, for the record, Australia is still very much a conservative country; it is not 'progressive' at all. We have always been irreverent and not inclined to class distinction, however.


Title: Re: National Service of Thanksgiving - June 5
Post by: Jane23 on June 09, 2012, 11:21:14 am
For the love of God Liz is not brain dead and has her own staff I am 100% sure everything that happened was pre approved by HER ...the things people will *despise* Chuck for are hilarious to me he is just being hated for things that went down in the 80's  :bored:...HE and his children are the feature of The Monarchy nothing wrong with LIZ underlining that on the last day of the celebrations for her Jubilee the faces of the BRF are changing and we won't see his siblings as much as we used to do that is PERFECTLY normal NOTHING wrong with it in the immediate feature the BRF will be :


Prince Charles and The Duches

Will and Kate (and children)

Harry and wife (and children)


What do people expect? Again it doesn't mean his siblings will disappear now it's only they will be seen less it doesn't mean Prince Charles is "evil" that is just the way things work  :wopedo:...I am sure his siblings know that...having touched  upon this nonsense can we talk about  Camilla's hat ?  :tehe:


Title: Re: National Service of Thanksgiving - June 5
Post by: Alexandrine on June 09, 2012, 11:41:02 am
By the time Charles is king William possibly will have four kids, then it would make Harry the sixth. So if they are streamlining it doesn't make sense that he is considered as an important part of the RF.

Charles's brothers and cousins may disappear from the limelight in important events but I doubt that they will stop having royal duties, first because it wouldn't make sense to stop being patron of charitites simply because Charles is king and second because they have to maintain the royal duties if they want royal priveleges like living in Kensington palace.

The norwegian royal family has what you could say is the type of monarchy Charles could want, only the monarchs and the heir&wife have royal duties, while the daughter who is fourth only attends very specific events but has no important role. What is interesting is that they have thought about the future and the heir's second son doesn't even have the HRH. This is logical and you can see that they know what kind of monarchy do they want.

In Charles case he won't be able to streamline the monarchy in his reign unless he is king when he is 100 years old and his sibligns and cousing have died already. The only thing he can do is make the rules so the BRF will be able to change during William's. For example by not making Harry's children HRH and only lord/ladies like the Wessex children.

As a final point please try to keep the discussion civil  :flower:


Title: Re: National Service of Thanksgiving - June 5
Post by: Mooster on June 09, 2012, 11:51:51 am
Jane23, so what if anything is approved by Liz, as you call her, many on this board say that she often makes the wrong decisions or no decisions at all.  Charles is not particularly popular, he has a huge uphill struggle, and what he did in the 80s horrified a great many of his people.  The country was as close as it can get to a republic in recent times when Diana died.  The Queen made lots of wrong decisions at that time - so don't try and tell me she always knows what is best for her family and her own country.  Harry may be part of Charles vision to bolster his own, and Camilla's popularity - but that's Harry is, a pawn in Charles game - plus, the fact that he is not a direct heir, but was included on the balcony, shows that is what Charles is up to.

June, I'm not sensitive, just very astute when people are trying to sugar coat a barb.  The fact is I'm British, and if I follow your logic, I know a lot more than an Australian about how the people in my country feel about the RF and Charles in particular.  You seem to be inventing all sorts of things about what I should and shouldn't know and for someone who does not 'know' what goes on in Britain, you sure have a lot to say on the subject.  With respect, the decisions about what happens to the BRF here and in Australia can very well boil down to their personalities - it's the very reason why they employ such vast PR to rehabilitate themselves.  Diana was loved by Australians but Camilla and Charles  :tehe:  I disagree, Australia is much more progressive...sure you have your snobs and haves and have nots but it is not entrenched in centuries of deference as the UK.  Jeez, it took an Australian to give second wave feminism momentum here.  


Title: Re: National Service of Thanksgiving - June 5
Post by: Snokitty on June 09, 2012, 02:30:00 pm
@ June The BRF does not cause me sensitivity nor does Charles it wasn't me that he used as a "Brood Mare".
I don't think that you can speak for all Australians either just because you happen to be one of the people who live there. I don't even know what you are talking about anymore. It is not as if Australia would throw out the entire Constitution and start over to remove the British Monarchy as their head of State.  lol
How many people in these Commonwealth countries have you spoken with or do you just think Australia, Canada and New Zealand are the only ones left?
They don't plan on slimming down the Monarchy they just plan on hiding the rest of them from public view. That is why the balcony scene was such a joke. It was all about Charles wanting the limelight. If he could have found a way to keep the Queen off of the balcony he would have done it.
I don't even know who ask you to debate hypotheticals, I was just stating my opinion. I only ask questions to see what your thoughts are but you did not answer them, you just did some kind of Lawyer speak to try and change it. The impression I got was you were speaking for the Commonwealth countries. :bored:
It is the cost that people want the BRF to streamline not the people, they need to start spending their own money more and taxpayer money less.  :June:


Title: Re: National Service of Thanksgiving - June 5
Post by: Jane23 on June 09, 2012, 06:39:55 pm
Willy 4 kids really now?  lmao  As for Harry and his feature as a Royal  it's useless to discuss it he could end up being 4th in Line to The Throne (at best) or he could end up being KING or Willy may have no children and his child may take on The Throne who knows ...or maybe by the time Liz and Chuck leave us there will be no Throne to sit on for Willy (or Harry) let alone any "grandchildren" the possibilities are endless...having said that Willy and Harry are  a "double act" they are a team Harry ain't going anywhere EVER and Harry's children given that he is Willy's ONLY sibling and will be very near The Throne will be treated with the MAXIMUM respect ...can we leave the whole Harry thing go? Again Ann , Andrew  and Edward are out he is in we all knew that was going to happen so I don't get why anyone is surprised or "angry" about it I didn't know Andrew was so beloved  lmao hold on Andrew fans he will be on that Balcony very soon given That Liz's birthday is coming up his girls too .

Ps: PRINCE Edward's children are a Prince and a Princess  :sly: ...in the feature they will be called as such  8) given that that's what they are.


Title: Re: National Service of Thanksgiving - June 5
Post by: Alexandrine on June 09, 2012, 06:44:40 pm
If the Queen&Charles wanted to take the York girls their HRH it's logical to think that Harry's children won't have that treatment. In fact if he has children right now they won't have it, same with William. Although in the second case they will probably gave it to them because William is a heir apparent not like Harry.  :sigh:

No, you are totally wrong the Wessex children are prince/princess simply because they couldn't change the letters as Andrew was against it, it was said that they would always be called lord/lady. But I doubt Edward will want to anger Charles allowing his kids the HRH treatment even though it's their right. Why do you think the York girls are HRH and their Wessex cousins not?


Title: Re: National Service of Thanksgiving - June 5
Post by: Snokitty on June 09, 2012, 06:50:21 pm
This is not about loving Andrew or any of the future children that someone might have. This is about the Queen having four children and not one. This was the Queen's Diamond Jubilee not Charles's. When you are celebrating 60 years you do not leave out everyone in those years.
In my opinion the future of the Monarchy is not what Charles has in his mind anyway.


Title: Re: National Service of Thanksgiving - June 5
Post by: Jane23 on June 09, 2012, 07:17:09 pm
PRINCE Edward's children may or not use their Titles when they are old enough his boy may take upon his Title when he dies who knows...as for The York girls that is just hearsay and they are HRH so ...I doubt Harry's children will be treated any differently than The York girls are which is with the maximum respect they have their Title and their grandmother always has them with her .


Title: Re: National Service of Thanksgiving - June 5
Post by: Alexandrine on June 09, 2012, 07:21:04 pm
Ok so why the York girls get one treatment and the Wessex children another?


Title: Re: National Service of Thanksgiving - June 5
Post by: Nighthawk on June 09, 2012, 07:25:59 pm
could it be age differences?


Title: Re: National Service of Thanksgiving - June 5
Post by: Alexandrine on June 09, 2012, 07:26:49 pm
Age difference between who?


Title: Re: National Service of Thanksgiving - June 5
Post by: Snokitty on June 09, 2012, 07:30:58 pm
The titles have not garnered respect for the York Sisters, they are vilified and tore apart for everything. Mostly because of who their Mother is. Those two girls do more for charity than Lazy Katie does but the press acts like Lazy is perfect.


Title: Re: National Service of Thanksgiving - June 5
Post by: Mooster on June 09, 2012, 07:44:36 pm
As for Harry and his feature as a Royal  it's useless to discuss it he could end up being 4th in Line to The Throne (at best) or he could end up being KING or Willy may have no children and his child may take on The Throne who knows ...

This statement contradicts what you said before.  Before, you said that Harry was a direct heir.  Now you are saying he is not.

I really don't know why you keep going on about Andrew's popularity/lack of popularity - it's immaterial.  He is HM's son, he has supported her throughout her reign, if Harry was included, he should have been on that balcony on that occasion as should her other children and grandchildren.  And Snokitty, I agree, I do think if Charles could have appeared on the balcony without HM he would have done (HM should watch out for any banana skins on the stairs .....only joking  :flower:  ).  


Title: Re: National Service of Thanksgiving - June 5
Post by: Kuei Fei on June 09, 2012, 07:45:55 pm
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I disagree, Australia is much more progressive...sure you have your snobs and haves and have nots but it is not entrenched in centuries of deference as the UK.  Jeez, it took an Australian to give second wave feminism momentum here. 


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With respect, the decisions about what happens to the BRF here and in Australia can very well boil down to their personalities - it's the very reason why they employ such vast PR to rehabilitate themselves

I find it interesting how the BRF gives so much attention to Australia and seem almost paranoid about losing it. I mean, the BRF pays more attention to Australia and Canada than the majority of the other Commonwealth countries.

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why not send a member to the different countries to have continual representation and they could sell themselves every day.

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the commonwealth countries don't want them there?


Perhaps because no one in the BRF wants to be torn away from the fun of the London nightlife or wants to live in another country? The thing is, I think that if for example Princess Beatrice went to New Zealand and Eugenie lived in Australia and Harry in the Barbados/Jamaica, there would be a more tangible symbol and it would keep them gainfully occupied and away from the golddiggers in Britain. Perhaps the BRF should offer to send a member and see how that works out?

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Why does the BRF think they have a right to sway the citizens of these countries decisions? The colonial days are over and gone.

The BRF is full of idiots; forgive me, the thing is that HM can't seem to get it into her head that she is not supposed to meddle in these affairs and another thing is, that HM can't seem to comprehend what her family used to be and what they have become. The Scots will probably break away and I hoep for HM's sake that it's not true that she is scheming to work on preventing the independence movement. If she is caught out, it will trigger a violent backlash and only more countries will want ot break away, resorting to violence if need be.

The titles have not garnered respect for the York Sisters, they are vilified and tore apart for everything. Mostly because of who their Mother is.

Which is why I wish someoen would work on extracting Fergie from their lives because that woman is an albatross.


Title: Re: National Service of Thanksgiving - June 5
Post by: Snokitty on June 09, 2012, 07:52:56 pm
Beatrice and Eugenie are not going to kick their Mother out of their lives anymore than the rest of us would. Sarah has obviously been a loving Mother to them because of the way they treat her. Sarah has made more than her fair share of mistakes but those girls should not be held responsible for either of their parents actions.


Title: Re: National Service of Thanksgiving - June 5
Post by: memyselfandroyals on June 10, 2012, 04:30:20 pm
it was HM's choice, for sure. Look closely to her speech. In all angles, will & kate's portrait is seen  :ick:


Title: Re: National Service of Thanksgiving - June 5
Post by: benign on June 10, 2012, 06:56:41 pm
any video of the service especially the car trip? according to this DM comment:

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There was something odd happening out there after the Diamond Jubilee Thanksgiving service- there was a bit of row going on betwn Kate and Wills after they got into the car after the service...its so clear in the video footage..with Kate looking furious and yelling "Enough Please". The nxt thing we see is the brother-sister duo (kate n harry) joking in the palace balcony, while Wills was standing aloof, moodily! well hope nothing is the matter! they are a lovely couple!
Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2157186/Prince-William-enjoys-night-close-friend-Guy-Pelly.html#ixzz1xPkTHPwy


Title: Re: National Service of Thanksgiving - June 5
Post by: Nighthawk on June 10, 2012, 07:03:19 pm
I will see if i can find it benign I want to see too :think:  there wasn't anything I saw wrong.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/femail/article-2154757/Queens-Diamond-Jubilee-2012-Princesses-Beatrice-Eugenie-regal-purple-St-Pauls-Cathedral.html

video is at the bottom of the page and it's at 1:11 that PW and WK leave


Title: Re: National Service of Thanksgiving - June 5
Post by: Mooster on June 10, 2012, 07:08:55 pm
any video of the service especially the car trip? according to this DM comment:

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There was something odd happening out there after the Diamond Jubilee Thanksgiving service- there was a bit of row going on betwn Kate and Wills after they got into the car after the service...its so clear in the video footage..with Kate looking furious and yelling "Enough Please". The nxt thing we see is the brother-sister duo (kate n harry) joking in the palace balcony, while Wills was standing aloof, moodily! well hope nothing is the matter! they are a lovely couple!
Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2157186/Prince-William-enjoys-night-close-friend-Guy-Pelly.html#ixzz1xPkTHPwy

 :hi:  I just posted this query on another thread...I really hope someone knows where this footage is - desperate to see it  :thumbsup:


Title: Re: National Service of Thanksgiving - June 5
Post by: benign on June 10, 2012, 07:45:24 pm
I will see if i can find it benign I want to see too :think:  there wasn't anything I saw wrong.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/femail/article-2154757/Queens-Diamond-Jubilee-2012-Princesses-Beatrice-Eugenie-regal-purple-St-Pauls-Cathedral.html
video is at the bottom of the page and it's at 1:11 that PW and WK leave
thanks Nyxie  :hi: start at 1:15, WK is saying something and didnt looked too please afterwards...


Title: Re: National Service of Thanksgiving - June 5
Post by: Anne-Elliot on June 10, 2012, 08:03:10 pm
Thanks for posting the video!  They do not look happy - obviously carrying on an argument that started before they arrived at St Pauls, explains why she was sulking during the service.   Wonder if there is footage of them arriving in the car?  Perhaps she was hacked off about him leaving their love nest for a night out with Pelly.


Title: Re: National Service of Thanksgiving - June 5
Post by: Mooster on June 10, 2012, 08:12:07 pm
Can't really notice anything dramatic but I agree they don't look too happy. 

I was more shocked at Camilla, as she emerged and started walking down the stairs she looked really doddery, rough and every one of her 63 yrs (?) and then some.