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Title: William's Psychology
Post by: Kuei Fei on March 26, 2012, 07:02:50 pm
We keep getting off topic in regards to analyzing his motives and his state of mind, even in what is supposed to be the chitchat section. So I thought this would be a good thread to discuss his motivations and I encourage the mods to move all comments on various threads about his mental health here.


Title: Re: William's Psychology
Post by: Nymph on March 27, 2012, 12:51:40 pm
I think that Wills is now a bit un-hinged, he is running scared trying a little of this, making a report, doing something else, trying to seem interested in his wife and all the while looking miserable.


Title: Re: William's Psychology
Post by: Kuei Fei on March 27, 2012, 05:19:25 pm
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I think that Wills is now a bit un-hinged, he is running scared

I am sure he is; I think he is waking up to the mess his life has been made of and he is freaking out. All that waste down the tubes and from him yes, but from Kate as well. Once his Princey genes kick in, that is when the real 'fun' will begin.


Title: Re: William's Psychology
Post by: lothwen on March 27, 2012, 05:59:36 pm
^Can I just point out that just because William was born a Prince doesn't mean he has princely genes  :dontknow:


Title: Re: William's Psychology
Post by: Kuei Fei on March 27, 2012, 06:08:11 pm
I use the phrase "Princey" as a sort of pop cultural reference (made up by me) for how all Windsor men end up pretty much growing up at thirty; there is a reason that Charles waited around that time and ended up marrying at that age and never earlier. At that point he had fully matured and had sown his wild oats and also had a decade of work behind him and as well as someone who had ended up with a sincere sense of duty towards HM.


Title: Re: William's Psychology
Post by: Grey Mare on March 27, 2012, 06:55:21 pm
^Can I just point out that just because William was born a Prince doesn't mean he has princely genes  :dontknow:

Exactly, but people's view of William tends to get clouded because of his mother.  The unfortunate assumption is that Diana was so wonderful so people simply figured her sons would be too.  Not the case it would seem.  William takes after his father's side so there is no hope.  Harry is like his mother in many ways but due to his birth order no one will ever get to see his true potential only glimpse it.


Title: Re: William's Psychology
Post by: starlite on March 27, 2012, 07:55:29 pm
He needs therapy period.
He should have done this before getting married.


Title: Re: William's Psychology
Post by: Albany on March 27, 2012, 10:50:59 pm
I think he's so desperate NOT to be in his position, and NOT to have to become King one day, that he is subconsciously sabotaging his ability to ever do that. The way he went about picking a wife, his constant disregard for public opinion, and making gaffs in interviews like his infamous "I don't want to think about being King...." comment.

He seems to deliberately put out signals to the public that SCREAM "I don't want to be King." And we can all name dozens of examples that date way back and go all the way up 'til recently (skipping out on the Queen Mother's Memorial Service to go skiing with the Midds).

Another reason why I think he constantly "escapes" with WK and her family. THAT'S the kind of life he REALLY wants. But as they say: "Be careful what you wish for"................ :king:


Title: Re: William's Psychology
Post by: Kuei Fei on March 28, 2012, 01:10:56 am
I think he is just tired of always being in the role of adult; I've been there and it's a horrendous burden because you mature, but then people take additinoal advantage of it. After a while you *despise* adulthood and do what you can to avoid any responsibility that you sincerely think will jsut take more out of you and in time you end up desperately looking for someone to do the thinking for you.


Title: Re: William's Psychology
Post by: Nymph on March 28, 2012, 02:58:39 pm
KF you may have a point, I have always felt that Wills antics and the rather confusing and downright annoying behavior is due to him wanting to live more of the fun university days. He wants the perks but not the job and the work.


Title: Re: William's Psychology
Post by: Kuei Fei on March 28, 2012, 06:17:14 pm
I didn't mean that he was a spoiled brat, I meant that he ahs had to grow up a lot faster and see a lot of things that most don't at an early age. I went through the same thing and I empathize that he has been trying to slow his personal life down and take his time; the problem is that he got mixed up in a crowd where personally they are fast, but professionally they are slow and he has been supposedly tyring ot put a break on it and get into the slow lane.


Title: Re: William's Psychology
Post by: lothwen on March 28, 2012, 06:22:00 pm
^I'm sorry KF, but I have to disagree with you.  I don't feel that William had to grow up too quickly, quite the opposite.  He's been coddled his entire life, always given everything that he wants.  Yes, his mother died when he was young, but he didn't have to take care of his family, everyone took care of him.  I think his problem now is that he is playing at being an independent, autonomous adult when he never learned how to as a child.


Title: Re: William's Psychology
Post by: Kuei Fei on March 28, 2012, 07:48:07 pm
Good point.

I really can't fathom him anymore.


Title: Re: William's Psychology
Post by: spanishlover on March 28, 2012, 08:11:19 pm
people are complex...simple as that. there is no point of "getting" him...


Title: Re: William's Psychology
Post by: Albany on March 29, 2012, 02:31:08 am
True enough (but it certainly is fun to try  ;) )


Title: Re: William's Psychology
Post by: Kuei Fei on March 29, 2012, 05:58:42 pm
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Pr. William was up against a scheming woman and her daughter, he needed help to get outta there. They hoped someone with his lack of experience to the ways of the world , looking for emotional sanctuary ,like William would take a eazy ,pliable regular lay, he was attracted to, than go search elsewhere. Carole knew he would not have the guts to go look around, because he was weak emotionally.
Carole is a tough broad , Kate is determined ,both are manipulative to men who can be weakened. imo
   

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that PW didn't have anyone in his corner to help him break free (or, better yet, to have developed into an emotionally mature person). Maybe I'll hop on over to the thread on Will's Psychology to put in my 2c there

 
The above reasons are why I don't often feel too much sympathy for HM, not at all; she was the only one who could end up helping her heir and for all that William was the jewel in her crown, she was amazingly negligent of his well being. He was left in teh cold and any NORMAL young man going through that (I think people think of him as more extraordinary than he really is) and ended up reeling him in right under HM's nose. I am sure that Charles saw what was going on very clearly, but since he respects his mothers' position, he was not in a position to really end up ordering the courtiers around, who are bound by principle and tradition to end up obeying HM and taking direction from her.

William is no different really than a woman who is battered all the time by a husband or boyfriend and slowly, but surely, broken down into submission. You can't really judge unless you have been there and I have been pressured by a boyfriend to marry him all the time and I broek up with him, but William dind't have the support system that I did.


Title: Re: William's Psychology
Post by: Mooster on March 29, 2012, 06:47:08 pm
^ and add to that, Kate wasn't going to go quietly and be forgotten about.  She was flaunting herself around town with other men so that the journos and paps would keep her in the news.


Title: Re: William's Psychology
Post by: Kuei Fei on March 29, 2012, 07:54:43 pm
I wonder how long any of us would last in that situation.

William was alone, had no escape, and he was even hounded by his fellow officers; it's no wonder that he ended up breaking and married her.

Sometimes I think a lot of people in this group remind me of people who don't understand why abused people don't leave, but they don't understand that the abused person was broken down a long time before the worse abuse happened. They can't leave because their will to go on is broken. If there was something wrong wiht him in the first place, some sort of mental illness that only the RF knew about, it makes it worse in my eyes because WIlliam already had a propensity to getting sick and breaking down. The RF knew, but did nothing substantial to protect him or his interests.


Title: Re: William's Psychology
Post by: Yooper on March 29, 2012, 08:05:21 pm
My sympathy for PW only goes so far.  I'll have to agree with Lowthen up there.  This dude has had every advantage, been coddled and handled with kid gloves since his mother died.  He's not the only child to lose a parent and I understand that it's difficult, but he's played the card too long.  I absolutely believe he's a spoiled, entitled brat.  I never will forget the "Don't you know who I am?" remark of his.  He thinks he can get away with anything because he can and has been allowed to out of some ridiculous belief that he needs special care.  Nonsense.  He's an adult now, tragedies happen to us all, so be a good example instead of a rarefied and irresponsible one.

For me, he needs a good long trip to the woodshed.


Title: Re: William's Psychology
Post by: sandy on March 30, 2012, 01:55:45 am
It is odd that the Queen who committed to a life of service (she gave a speech at age 18 in this regard seems to have a hands off attitude towards William. He is going to be a future Monarch and her neglect of him really does mess up the image of the royal family. THe press says she "approves" of his doing few royal duties and being in the military. I think she just lets him do as he pleases but is not too thrilled at his actions. She herself never went in for the constant vacations. After a royal tour she would not rush to go skiing. But she unlike her grandson actually did something and worked, I am not sure how much WIlliam really does in SAR. There is a media blackout so the public will never really know. She couldn't do much with her son but made the best of the bad situations he got himself into. WIth WIlliam there could have been a fresh start. William I think is a reluctant royal but at the same time wants to be normal but "normal" in the sense he gets all the perks he is entitled to as second in line to be King. I think he needed lots of counseling but did not get it.


Title: Re: William's Psychology
Post by: lothwen on March 30, 2012, 02:06:13 am
My sympathy for PW only goes so far.  I'll have to agree with Lowthen up there.  This dude has had every advantage, been coddled and handled with kid gloves since his mother died.  He's not the only child to lose a parent and I understand that it's difficult, but he's played the card too long.  I absolutely believe he's a spoiled, entitled brat.  I never will forget the "Don't you know who I am?" remark of his.  He thinks he can get away with anything because he can and has been allowed to out of some ridiculous belief that he needs special care.  Nonsense.  He's an adult now, tragedies happen to us all, so be a good example instead of a rarefied and irresponsible one.

For me, he needs a good long trip to the woodshed.

Exactly Yooper.  Who's to say that William wouldn't have some of the same issues even if his mother were alive today?  My mom died 8 and a half years ago, and my sister always tried to excuse my brother's behavior on that, but the older members of my family  have pointed out that my brother has been acting the same for years before my mom's death.  Diana was still alive when William made the little boys in his class call him "King."  She was still alive when he invited his nanny to that school function.  So it's not that Diana died and all of a sudden he had a complete character change.  I believe he's the same person he was, only now he has something to blame his bad behavior on.


Title: Re: William's Psychology
Post by: Mooster on March 30, 2012, 02:30:12 am
 :goodpost:


Title: Re: William's Psychology
Post by: spanishlover on March 30, 2012, 02:32:59 am
My sympathy for PW only goes so far.  I'll have to agree with Lowthen up there.  This dude has had every advantage, been coddled and handled with kid gloves since his mother died.  He's not the only child to lose a parent and I understand that it's difficult, but he's played the card too long.  I absolutely believe he's a spoiled, entitled brat.  I never will forget the "Don't you know who I am?" remark of his.  He thinks he can get away with anything because he can and has been allowed to out of some ridiculous belief that he needs special care.  Nonsense.  He's an adult now, tragedies happen to us all, so be a good example instead of a rarefied and irresponsible one.

For me, he needs a good long trip to the woodshed.

Exactly Yooper.  Who's to say that William wouldn't have some of the same issues even if his mother were alive today?  My mom died 8 and a half years ago, and my sister always tried to excuse my brother's behavior on that, but the older members of my family  have pointed out that my brother has been acting the same for years before my mom's death.  Diana was still alive when William made the little boys in his class call him "King."  She was still alive when he invited his nanny to that school function.  So it's not that Diana died and all of a sudden he had a complete character change.  I believe he's the same person he was, only now he has something to blame his bad behavior on.

wasnt it that days before her death, she and william got into an argument because of the nanny and dodi?


Title: Re: William's Psychology
Post by: sandy on March 30, 2012, 02:22:30 pm
There is no record of Wills and Diana getting into an argument over Tiggy. Tiggy isn't the little innocent, I think she had a nasty streak. She told a reporter that W and H were "her boys" plus tactlessly said something that knocked Diana's parenting. I think she and Charles were involved, there were pics of him all touchy feely with her. Whether or not they had an actual affair is of course subject to speculation. But it was inappropriate for Charles to act the way he did with her, and in front of the cameras. I think T and C were trying to "stick it" to Diana. However, I think Tiggy would have been a better choice of second wife than Camilla. I also like Tiggy for how she was there for Harry after Diana died.

Wills was rumored to complain about Dodi. I only hope had Diana lived and found Mr Right (and I'm not referring to Dodi), if Will got all priggish about his mum's boyfriend,  he would be a hypocrite since evidently he welcomed the other woman in his mother's marriage very quickly.

Wills also acted quite the prig when he invited Tiggy instead of either of his parents to Parents Day at Eton. He told his mother at the last minute after she had made preparations. She invited Harry to partake of the picnic lunch instead. Charles' reaction to his son's choice has not been recorded. But I think the "bad" parts of Wills character were evident before his mother passed on.


Title: Re: William's Psychology
Post by: Yooper on March 30, 2012, 02:54:27 pm
That story about PW and PD's last phone call has been yanked around for years and it may have happened, but it's not a life-changing moment, at least it shouldn't be.  Diana was an adult, William the child.  Whatever his mother decided to do was her own business and it was his business to keep his snout out of hers.  This only points more and more to PW thinking he can tell anybody what to do, even his own mother.  That's not how it works, kid.  Ask my boys.

My condolences on the loss of your mother, Lowthen.  Hey, I could go around blaming my behavior on the loss of my husband and feel entitled to receive special treatment but that would make me insensitive and uncaring to others who have had the same happen and even worse.  No excuses for this at all.


Title: Re: William's Psychology
Post by: starlite on March 30, 2012, 03:01:41 pm
but PW must feel some sort of guilt. I would *despise* to fight with someone before they die.
It's got to have messed with him mentally.


Title: Re: William's Psychology
Post by: Yooper on March 30, 2012, 03:11:34 pm
^Perhaps, but it does not entitle you to a lifelong pity party and pushing everybody else around.  What it's supposed to do is teach you about being down, but then picking yourself up and then understanding other people.  That's not what happened here, IF this happened at all.

PW's father loves him, his brother loves him, his grandmother loves him.  He has a support network.  There are many who don't.  He chose the lowest route to go and will only realize how much he's hurting his family when he finally, if ever, grows up.


Title: Re: William's Psychology
Post by: Kuei Fei on March 30, 2012, 05:25:06 pm
all I am certain of is that he is in a vicious cycle of self destruction; that is never pretty and is never easy to get out of.


Title: Re: William's Psychology
Post by: Grey Mare on March 30, 2012, 06:48:00 pm
My sympathy for PW only goes so far.  I'll have to agree with Lowthen up there.  This dude has had every advantage, been coddled and handled with kid gloves since his mother died.  He's not the only child to lose a parent and I understand that it's difficult, but he's played the card too long.  I absolutely believe he's a spoiled, entitled brat.  I never will forget the "Don't you know who I am?" remark of his.  He thinks he can get away with anything because he can and has been allowed to out of some ridiculous belief that he needs special care.  Nonsense.  He's an adult now, tragedies happen to us all, so be a good example instead of a rarefied and irresponsible one.

For me, he needs a good long trip to the woodshed.

Exactly Yooper.  Who's to say that William wouldn't have some of the same issues even if his mother were alive today?  My mom died 8 and a half years ago, and my sister always tried to excuse my brother's behavior on that, but the older members of my family  have pointed out that my brother has been acting the same for years before my mom's death.  Diana was still alive when William made the little boys in his class call him "King."  She was still alive when he invited his nanny to that school function.  So it's not that Diana died and all of a sudden he had a complete character change.  I believe he's the same person he was, only now he has something to blame his bad behavior on.

 :worship:  Indeed, which is why picking Kate turned out to be a disaster because William has picked someone very much like himself.

For someone who has claimed to be so devastated by his mother's death and wishes to honor her, William sure has no trouble using her death as a sympathy card to get his way. That is not the most noble thing to do when honoring the death of one's mother.


Title: Re: William's Psychology
Post by: Yooper on March 30, 2012, 08:18:34 pm
all I am certain of is that he is in a vicious cycle of self destruction; that is never pretty and is never easy to get out of.

He's a grown man and capable of asking and receiving help if he needs it.  I'm also certain that he's been offered it many times if he is indeed having difficulties.  This is not, for all of the bad press during PD and all of that, a family that wouldn't call on experts to help PW if he needed it.  There are glowing pictures of the two boys and their father after her death.  He was a happy, shining son until he came across this witch of a woman.  IF PW has problems and wants to blame his mother's death, it's irrational and he's had the support available, so how much longer do we clutch our pearls and wring our hands over a man who refuses to accept personal responsibility?  He HAS to receive consequences and the sooner the better.  It's the best thing for his own growth and mental health.  All WK's gonna do is enable his weaknesses for her own personal gains.  And for that, I do really dislike this woman intensely.


Title: Re: William's Psychology
Post by: sandy on March 31, 2012, 01:37:31 am
Another problem was how Will was shielded and protected while his brother was thrown to the wolves. Will drove a car and went speeding along over a man's property-I read Charles apologized to the man, not WIlliam himself. WIlliam received more of a slap on the wrist whe he took the military copter o a stag party. Had Harry done this penance would be demanded of him. Harry had to apologize yet WIll never apologizes. Harry would be scapegoated and thrashed for being an "uncaring person" had he stayed skiing and not come back to the memorial for his great grandmother and great aunt. I think this sort of thing rooted itself in Will's psyche and he thinks he can do as he pleases without having to apologize. Sad.


Title: Re: William's Psychology
Post by: Kuei Fei on March 31, 2012, 06:01:40 am
My sympathy for PW only goes so far.  I'll have to agree with Lowthen up there.  This dude has had every advantage, been coddled and handled with kid gloves since his mother died.  He's not the only child to lose a parent and I understand that it's difficult, but he's played the card too long.  I absolutely believe he's a spoiled, entitled brat.  I never will forget the "Don't you know who I am?" remark of his.  He thinks he can get away with anything because he can and has been allowed to out of some ridiculous belief that he needs special care.  Nonsense.  He's an adult now, tragedies happen to us all, so be a good example instead of a rarefied and irresponsible one.

For me, he needs a good long trip to the woodshed.

Exactly Yooper.  Who's to say that William wouldn't have some of the same issues even if his mother were alive today?  My mom died 8 and a half years ago, and my sister always tried to excuse my brother's behavior on that, but the older members of my family  have pointed out that my brother has been acting the same for years before my mom's death.  Diana was still alive when William made the little boys in his class call him "King."  She was still alive when he invited his nanny to that school function.  So it's not that Diana died and all of a sudden he had a complete character change.  I believe he's the same person he was, only now he has something to blame his bad behavior on.

For someone who has claimed to be so devastated by his mother's death and wishes to honor her, William sure has no trouble using her death as a sympathy card to get his way. That is not the most noble thing to do when honoring the death of one's mother.

I think that he needs to pull his head out of his mothers' coffin and understand that his motehr is dead, but HE is still alive and has a life of his own to lead. He doesn't have to live the life his motehr wanted to lead or let Kate get away with blue murder just because his mother had it rough. His motehr had her life and her chances; that it got cut short is her problem, not William's. The press has dragged her up often enough and I do hope that he at some point lets himself live in the present and still be alive. He has to let his mother stay in the past and let her stay there, not try to drag her into the presence and carry on her legacy. He needs to live his own life and dreams.


Title: Re: William's Psychology
Post by: Yooper on March 31, 2012, 06:11:11 am
Very, very true.  And I know I sound harsh, but I've been there as have many others.  I lost my father at a young age and a husband, so I get the dynamics.  But at some point you are responsible for your own life story!

Something tells me that PW's temper tantrums, which is what this is to me, are running out.  He is going to learn the hard way and it's coming.  I can just feel it.  You simply cannot throw your entire family under the bus just because you want what you want and they don't matter.  It's just not going to get you anywhere but alone.

I really think HM has had it and that there's going to be some changes during and after the Jubilee.  I really do.  And there should be.  The younger royals have got to step up and bring the monarchy back and Harry and the York princesses seem to be doing just fine, among others.  PC seems to get along well with that group as well.  PW can just go off and suck his thumb until he's ready to come out and be a team player.  Until then, Aloha.


Title: Re: William's Psychology
Post by: Kuei Fei on March 31, 2012, 06:34:28 am
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Very, very true.  And I know I sound harsh, but I've been there as have many others.


Same here, but it's a lot of pressure to accomplsih the things that other people didn't get to and that is a major thing.

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But at some point you are responsible for your own life story!

I just wish that his mother would be allowed to stay dead and not interfere even at this point with William's life. You've never really had ot be pushed to accomplish someone else's dreams, have you ? I sometimes wonder if whether or not things would have been different if he had been credited for a lot of his good traits instead of his motehr getting all the credit all the time. When he breathed right or said the right thing, it was always his mother all the time.

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I really think HM has had it and that there's going to be some changes during and after the Jubilee.

I wouldn't be surprised if she ends up carpeting Kate within an inch of her life (Kate's life that is) and then dragging William out to the backyard and flogging him nonstop for over an hour. Kate is really enjoying herself and the nerve of htem suggesting that they keep a low profile to 'let' HM have her moment, made be shocked at their presumption. I wonder if William will be ordered (not asked) to get serious therapy for himself or even checked into the Priory or something. He needs hospitalization.

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The younger royals have got to step up and bring the monarchy back and Harry and the York princesses seem to be doing just fine, among others.


I fully agree with you and William should be shunted off for help until he is ready again. Probably for a long time and I wonder what will be done with Kate.


Title: Re: William's Psychology
Post by: Yooper on March 31, 2012, 06:41:58 am
Just think, for one minute, of our own family dynasties in the US.  The Kennedys.  How many lives were lost there?  Starting below Joseph, the dad, three brothers (2 assassinations), a mother, a son, a daughter-in-law (plane crash too young) among many other disasters.  But, that family had an inner belief system that somehow held them together and made them stronger.  There are still memorials and remembrances, but each member stepped up and made something out of their lives.  There is absolutely no excuse for the behavior of PW when compared to other, maybe even more powerful people, who have been in worse circumstances.

We disagree here, KF, when you say that PW has not been praised for his own accomplishments.  He's been on a kazillion covers as the most desirable man on earth, he's been praised for his work with the RAF, he's been pitied because of his mother.  It is not the world that keeps getting his mother in the way, it is HE.  He is the one who uses her constantly.  Nobody else does.  I don't know one person that thinks that PW should be doing or acting like his mother.  She was an entirely different person.  Why does no one get worked up that he's not doing the things his father is doing?

No.  He's on his own here.



Title: Re: William's Psychology
Post by: sandy on March 31, 2012, 01:14:09 pm
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Very, very true.  And I know I sound harsh, but I've been there as have many others.


Same here, but it's a lot of pressure to accomplsih the things that other people didn't get to and that is a major thing.

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But at some point you are responsible for your own life story!

I just wish that his mother would be allowed to stay dead and not interfere even at this point with William's life. You've never really had ot be pushed to accomplish someone else's dreams, have you ? I sometimes wonder if whether or not things would have been different if he had been credited for a lot of his good traits instead of his motehr getting all the credit all the time. When he breathed right or said the right thing, it was always his mother all the time.

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I really think HM has had it and that there's going to be some changes during and after the Jubilee.

I wouldn't be surprised if she ends up carpeting Kate within an inch of her life (Kate's life that is) and then dragging William out to the backyard and flogging him nonstop for over an hour. Kate is really enjoying herself and the nerve of htem suggesting that they keep a low profile to 'let' HM have her moment, made be shocked at their presumption. I wonder if William will be ordered (not asked) to get serious therapy for himself or even checked into the Priory or something. He needs hospitalization.

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The younger royals have got to step up and bring the monarchy back and Harry and the York princesses seem to be doing just fine, among others.


I fully agree with you and William should be shunted off for help until he is ready again. Probably for a long time and I wonder what will be done with Kate.

Diana is dead and has not interfered in anything. WIlliam is his own stumbling block and nobody else. HE is nearly 30 and should know better than behave the way he does.

THere were covers  in magazines where Diana was not mentioned at all--William was the Golden Prince the Best Hope of the Monarchy. All the pics of him in helicopters and airplanes. And the negative things he did were totally whitewashed

He is not at all like Diana who did have a work ethic. His father has a work ethic. So in this regard Will has not learned a thing from either of his parents and likes the lazy avoid work lifestyle. He is rebelling or refusing to accept that he needs to work like his parents did I think actually Diana would have been horrified had she watched her son devolve into a lazy prat. But there were symptoms showing in Will when she was still alive.


Title: Re: William's Psychology
Post by: royalfanPKLS on April 01, 2012, 05:10:18 am
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Very, very true.  And I know I sound harsh, but I've been there as have many others.


Same here, but it's a lot of pressure to accomplsih the things that other people didn't get to and that is a major thing.

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But at some point you are responsible for your own life story!

I just wish that his mother would be allowed to stay dead and not interfere even at this point with William's life. You've never really had ot be pushed to accomplish someone else's dreams, have you ? I sometimes wonder if whether or not things would have been different if he had been credited for a lot of his good traits instead of his motehr getting all the credit all the time. When he breathed right or said the right thing, it was always his mother all the time.

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I really think HM has had it and that there's going to be some changes during and after the Jubilee.

I wouldn't be surprised if she ends up carpeting Kate within an inch of her life (Kate's life that is) and then dragging William out to the backyard and flogging him nonstop for over an hour. Kate is really enjoying herself and the nerve of htem suggesting that they keep a low profile to 'let' HM have her moment, made be shocked at their presumption. I wonder if William will be ordered (not asked) to get serious therapy for himself or even checked into the Priory or something. He needs hospitalization.

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The younger royals have got to step up and bring the monarchy back and Harry and the York princesses seem to be doing just fine, among others.


I fully agree with you and William should be shunted off for help until he is ready again. Probably for a long time and I wonder what will be done with Kate.

Diana is dead and has not interfered in anything. WIlliam is his own stumbling block and nobody else. HE is nearly 30 and should know better than behave the way he does.

THere were covers  in magazines where Diana was not mentioned at all--William was the Golden Prince the Best Hope of the Monarchy. All the pics of him in helicopters and airplanes. And the negative things he did were totally whitewashed

He is not at all like Diana who did have a work ethic. His father has a work ethic. So in this regard Will has not learned a thing from either of his parents and likes the lazy avoid work lifestyle. He is rebelling or refusing to accept that he needs to work like his parents did I think actually Diana would have been horrified had she watched her son devolve into a lazy prat. But there were symptoms showing in Will when she was still alive.

If Diana or Charles were ever worried about William's behavior, don't you think one of them, especially Diana would have corrected him or had Tiggy do it, or god forbid the Queen? Not to mention, he may have been disciplined at Eton???


Title: Re: William's Psychology
Post by: royalfanPKLS on April 01, 2012, 06:18:58 am
Okay for any "psychologists" here, just a question, based on your observations and opinions that you have of him, what prognosis or diagnosed disorder(s) do you think he might have?

Disclaimer: This doesn't mean that's his illness just a diagnosis based on opinion and causal observation (through media).


Title: Re: William's Psychology
Post by: Kuei Fei on April 01, 2012, 06:29:23 am
Do you guys think that William was abused behind closed doors?


Title: Re: William's Psychology
Post by: lothwen on April 01, 2012, 06:41:47 am
^Absolutely not KF.  I think he's been coddled, by both parents, and  I don't think Diana helped matters by turning him into the shoulder that she cried on, especially with how young he was. 


Title: Re: William's Psychology
Post by: Yooper on April 01, 2012, 06:45:17 am
^^No, I don't believe that PW was abused behind closed doors at all.  I do, however, think that he was abusive to others and was allowed to be so, with little or no consequences.  If anything, he did see more of the breakdown of his parent's marriage than he should have, but, again, so have many, many other famous people in positions of leadership and done well in spite of it or used it to help others.  He comes across as a very entitled human being used to the best treatment in the world, which hasn't done him any good at all.

He's milked his mother's death, the papz invasion, his right to privacy, and his disregard for the monarch's status quo for his own personal desires and whims.  That sounds more like a Napoleon Complex to me.


Title: Re: William's Psychology
Post by: lothwen on April 01, 2012, 06:54:00 am
^I agree Yooper.  And maybe I should expand on my post


I believe that William has been treated from a very young age with kid gloves by all members of his family.  I believe that his antics were overlooked because of his position in the family.  He would have been told how "special" he was and how "important" from before he could even understand what it meant to be a future King.  Then you have the break down of his parent's marriage, both of their affairs, and Diana using her 12 year old son as a confidante.  Add to that the fact that Diana never explained to him that being a prince meant that he was in some ways, public property, and the press was going to be a part of his life, and he needed to accept that. (I don't know what Charles ever said to him regarding this, so if somebody else knows, please tell me).  Instead she taught him how to treat the paps with distrust and disdain, while at the same time, how to use them to his advantage. 


Title: Re: William's Psychology
Post by: Yooper on April 01, 2012, 07:03:40 am
Thank you and that's all very well put and I really agree with what Diana's actions and conversations may have made on PW.  But, what I've never seen PW do is use the media to his advantage.  All he's done is show disdain and outright hatred.  Is that because he doesn't have any interest in the downtrodden or charities in the same way his mother did?  I believe so because she used it to the max and whatever pain he may feel re his mother's death, even she would've risen above that for a worthwhile cause and made the press work for her.  I believe strongly he only heard the good stuff about himself and turned a deaf ear to the responsibilities and dedication part.

If you're told you're special long enough and never have any discipline, you're going to be a total jerk who disregards everyone else's needs.  There just isn't any other way out of that principle.


Title: Re: William's Psychology
Post by: lothwen on April 01, 2012, 07:10:28 am
^When he staged that kiss with Kate right after the Uncle Gary scandal hit, or when he and Kate had the car circle back around in front of the club so the photographers could take pictures and then they sued them?  IMO, he was using the press


Title: Re: William's Psychology
Post by: royalfanPKLS on April 01, 2012, 08:07:16 am
Do you guys think that William was abused behind closed doors?

No, but you never know, and who knows what he wrote in his royal diary but seriously, I'm curious about with all the conclusions and assumptions made on this thread in particular what would a psychologist most likely diagnose him with? I mean many of us here seem to think something is wrong with him and some of these assumptions made seem to suggest he's a sociopath or has sociopathic tendencies which I don't see that at all in him.


Title: Re: William's Psychology
Post by: sandy on April 01, 2012, 01:18:39 pm
^Absolutely not KF.  I think he's been coddled, by both parents, and  I don't think Diana helped matters by turning him into the shoulder that she cried on, especially with how young he was. 

I don't thnk it helped matters that his father used Will in his let's get Camilla accepted campaign. It was not made a private matter within the family that Will invited her to tea (allegedly) but it was broadcast all over the world.

I think Charles sympathizers unfairly label Diana as "confiding too much in William." Will was in a difficult situation like other chlldren of estranged parents. Will was in school much of the time not sitting at home with his mother. Will witnessed the bickering when he was home and was sad to see his mother cryng.

In any case children have been in far worse situations but grow up and don't use it to justify arrogant behavior as an adult.


Title: Re: William's Psychology
Post by: sandy on April 01, 2012, 01:30:46 pm
^I agree Yooper.  And maybe I should expand on my post


I believe that William has been treated from a very young age with kid gloves by all members of his family.  I believe that his antics were overlooked because of his position in the family.  He would have been told how "special" he was and how "important" from before he could even understand what it meant to be a future King.  Then you have the break down of his parent's marriage, both of their affairs, and Diana using her 12 year old son as a confidante.  Add to that the fact that Diana never explained to him that being a prince meant that he was in some ways, public property, and the press was going to be a part of his life, and he needed to accept that. (I don't know what Charles ever said to him regarding this, so if somebody else knows, please tell me).  Instead she taught him how to treat the paps with distrust and disdain, while at the same time, how to use them to his advantage. 

I think it unfair to blame Diana for it. Or Charles for that matter. Will is a grown man now and his parents are not responsible for his arrogant behavior. Diana or Charles did not have to "tell WIlliam" that the paps should be treated with distrust--he observed this himself, how could he oot he did not grow up in a plastic bubble where people had to tell him what to think. Charles did use WIll to get Camilla promoted. But that does not mean WIll should behave so arrogantly either. Besides which how is it known that C and D didn't explain this to Will?

I think what Diana and Charles told him in many cases will never be known. SO I don't think anything definitive is truly known. So how is it known that "it is a fact" that Diana didn't tell Will something?

I think that DIana "confiding too much" in Will comes from books sympathetic to Charles. WIll was away at school and didn't live a home with Mum 365 days a year.  Will had eyes and ears and knew what the situation was with his parents.

But I think placing blame on the parents is a cop out. Charles did this via the Dimbleby book and blamed his parents. This IMO is counterproductive. WIll is an adult and responsible for his own actions. If he feels he needs help, there are counselors available.

Harry grew up with the same parents and is not sulky and the same as his brother. He was not he Golden PRince the press dubbed his brother and it hurt that his parents broke up and his mother died, but he is working his way through it.


Title: Re: William's Psychology
Post by: lothwen on April 01, 2012, 05:28:52 pm
Sandy, I wasn't placing the blame for William's behavior.  At the end of the day he is a soon-to-be 30 year old man, and he is responsible for his actions.  I was answering the question posted about William being abused behind closed doors.  I also clarified that I did not know that much about what Charles did when William was a child.   My post was not meant as an "attack" on Diana, but rather an explanation of my thoughts as I saw events. 


Title: Re: William's Psychology
Post by: sandy on April 01, 2012, 10:41:44 pm
It was rather vague where the alleged "abuse" came from. Diana's name came up in these posts. Was she the one who "abused."  Even in anti Diana books she was accused of "confiding too much" in WIlliam--Diana in one's wildest dreams would not have "abused" either of her sons. She was a good mother and loved her sons. Charles was and is a loving parent. NEither were "abusers." They loved their sons but could not live under the same roof after a while. It was a bad situation where their parents had arguments and were estranged. This is not unique to William and Harry--kids parents do break up.

I think it was a strain for Will who within 2 years lost his motherand almost immediately was introduced by Dad to the "other woman" in the marriage.Must hve been confusng.

But that being said. Will is a grown man and any conflicts and doubts he has can be helped by seeking counseling. At the very least he is arrogant--but there could be other issues. Does he really want to be King--he appears to want to be "normal" but enjoy all the perks and wealth. A serious crisis could happen  if he doesn't face his fears and when the time for him to be King comes he doesn't want the job.


Title: Re: William's Psychology
Post by: Tatiana on April 02, 2012, 10:39:10 pm

     My two pence ..

      William was called Basher Bill, as a child, for a reason.

     Diana did discipline her sons, Charles has never really known how.

     William fell in love with family life, which he missed in his life, and fell in love with the Middleton family, more than KM. IMO.

     The advent of Camilla living with his father, after his mother died, didnt exactly make a homelike atmosphere, CH is formal,and Highgrove is much more formal than in the past. There was no sitting on the bed watching movies with his father or his girlfriend, Camilla.

     Adults tend to recreate childhood situations of warmth and safety.. see Mabel Anderson look alike Camilla Parker Bowles, in the case of his father, not to mention his teddy bear.

     He and Harry were left to Tiggy when their mother died, much as Charles loves them, he is more needy than they are, in his own eyes. IMHO.

   Tiggy as a nanny could not really discipline them, and William, the Golden Child, took advantage of that situation.

    As for HM, William saw her every sunday for tea, and they discussed the Monarchy, I have to say HM is not much of a disciplinarian either.  IMHO.

   William is his own person now, and he is responsible for his choices, good or bad.. sad but true.

    As for abuse when he was a child, I dont believe that to be true at all, and I dare any mother to say she has not cried in the bathroom when her children were at home.


Title: Re: William's Psychology
Post by: windsor2 on April 03, 2012, 12:18:23 am
He needs to understand that there're consequences for one's action. I doubt that he'll ever get that as the Misds wouldn't dare reign in his bs and the royals don't know how because they have the courtiers to do it for them. So unless he can get counseling or even people who'll be honest with him, he'll be stuck in this mess of his own making, IMO. Before he steps to the side as king in waiting, HM should order him to counseling to see if that's what he'd really like to do and then inform him that once he steps aside, certain privilege go too.


Title: Re: William's Psychology
Post by: sandy on April 03, 2012, 02:09:13 pm
The spin is that Will is "emulating his Grandmother" who "wants him" (allegedly) to have privacy in the first days of marriage and it is So Like the time the Queen when Princess and Philip lived in Malta. To me that's utter nonsense. For one thing Princess Elizabeth didn't just swan around in Malta, she was ready and prepared to do royal duties and took them seriously--even subbing for her dad when he was too ill to go on a tour or do an appearance. She had access to State papers. In Malta, she was aware that she was the future monarch and didn't just disappear like her grandson. There is no record of Philip and Elizabeth doing some duties after a vacation then doing more (a little more) and disappearing on another vacation. Prince Philip never disappeared into the military--he went with his wife on royal appearances and tours. Whoever thought this nonsense up (William himself?) has not brushed up on history. Also if the idea is to have "alone time" they surely are not, with Will disappearing into the Falklands for 6 weeks then taking family vacation with his in-laws. There seems to be much spin trying to justify Will's lack of work ethic. I agree,he needs counseling or down the road there could be another crisis where Wills doesn't want to be King and abdicates or is a King who is never seen and vacations a lot.


Title: Re: William's Psychology
Post by: Nymph on April 03, 2012, 07:12:31 pm
I think that what Wills needs is to not get his way, too much is handled for him in my opinion.  If the fawning press and attention would stop, then the public would see that the golden prince isn't so golden anymore.  Will's lost that last shred of magic when he linked up with Kate.


Title: Re: William's Psychology
Post by: windsor2 on April 03, 2012, 07:39:43 pm
^ totally agree


Title: Re: William's Psychology
Post by: Nymph on April 04, 2012, 06:30:20 pm
Who knows what is really going on with Wills, but it does seem as if he is spinning his wheels a bit.  Military job is a laugh, royal role seems to make him miserable and he doesn't conceal it very well, and now married life doesn't seem all that rosy.  Wills needs to wake up, grow up and realize that he doesn't have many outs left!


Title: Re: William's Psychology
Post by: sandy on April 04, 2012, 06:46:21 pm
I think if the press started getting critical of his vacations and stopped the fawning, I think the courtiers and perhaps the Queen would take notice that people don't all think what William is doing is all that great. The economy is bad and some people can't even afford vacations (they work very hard too harder than William and Kate and have real jobs) yet W and K "reward themselves" with vacations after doing the "hard work" in t he Falklands (who knows what he really did there) and her making a handful of appearances. How much rest do these two need? It's an insult to people who really work and do deserve time off.


Title: Re: William's Psychology
Post by: Kuei Fei on April 04, 2012, 07:58:25 pm
Who knows what is really going on with Wills, but it does seem as if he is spinning his wheels a bit.  Military job is a laugh, royal role seems to make him miserable and he doesn't conceal it very well, and now married life doesn't seem all that rosy.  Wills needs to wake up, grow up and realize that he doesn't have many outs left!

It's pity that the palace takes PR so seriously that they don't just commit William to a hospital and order taht he stay there until he is sorted out. It helped me get myslef sorted out and I'm sure that he would be better off.


Title: Re: William's Psychology
Post by: Grey Mare on April 05, 2012, 05:29:49 pm
I don't believe William was ever abused either. I think William has always been this way, but the public were blinded by that "Golden Boy" image that he is not and never was in the first place.  What the public is beginning to see now is the reality of the real person.  I think William is trying to break himself of that image so he can be seen as himself.  The trouble is, it is now back firing because the real William is not a very likeable person.  When you take away the money, titles, position, family and "Golden Boy" image what you are left with is someone who has no depth and personality.  William clearly has no intelligence either  or savy with people because the "Golden Boy" image is exactly what he should be taking advantage of as a royal and using to his benefit if he plans to play King someday.


Title: Re: William's Psychology
Post by: spanishlover on April 05, 2012, 05:38:23 pm
his family used to call him wombat.....and sometimes i think he is one Waste Of Money, Brains, And Time
 


Title: Re: William's Psychology
Post by: windsor2 on April 05, 2012, 06:01:40 pm
^nice one, spanishlover  :tehe:


Title: Re: William's Psychology
Post by: Grey Mare on April 05, 2012, 06:11:10 pm
his family used to call him wombat.....and sometimes i think he is one Waste Of Money, Brains, And Time
 

 :laugh:


Title: Re: William's Psychology
Post by: YooperModerator on April 05, 2012, 06:30:57 pm
ohh nice one! spanishlover! lol


Title: Re: William's Psychology
Post by: Bijoux on May 28, 2012, 12:19:34 am
As far as which disorder he’s most likely to have, I’d say antisocial personality disorder.

Per http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmedhealth/PMH0001919/ (http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmedhealth/PMH0001919/), I’ve copied some points. I didn’t copy everything from the site, but most things do apply to PW.

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Antisocial personality disorder is a mental health condition in which a person has a long-term pattern of manipulating, exploiting, or violating the rights of others. This behavior is often criminal.

A person with antisocial personality disorder may:
•   Be able to act witty and charming
•   Be good at flattery and manipulating other people's emotions
•   Disregard the safety of self and others (flying a helicopter to a stag party- he did this, didn't he?)
•   Not show guilt or remorse
•   Often be angry or arrogant

To be diagnosed with antisocial personality disorder, a person must have had conduct disorder during childhood (most of us agree that he did).

Antisocial personality disorder is one of the most difficult personality disorders to treat. People with this condition rarely seek treatment on their own. They may only start therapy when required to by a court.


Title: Re: William's Psychology
Post by: Yooper on May 28, 2012, 02:06:14 am
^You may not be far off the mark there, Bijoux.  I dated a jerk who ended up being diagnosed with antisocial personality disorder after ending up in jail years after I knew him and all of those are quite accurate.  The charming part is the bait and then you start (well I did) getting manipulated in all sorts of ways.  There was also a definite mean streak and verbal abuse was the last straw with me.

He's exhibited that as well, we think, yes?  With WK?  His treatment of her, as much as I dislike her own behavior and values, is still inexcusable. 

There might be a dash of narcissism to throw in the mix, too, which is also very difficult to treat. 


Title: Re: William's Psychology
Post by: Mooster on May 28, 2012, 09:39:40 am
^^ and ^ ...God love her, but it sounds like Diana too.  I'm reading the Wendy Berry book and she seems to exhibit all of these traits  :-


Title: Re: William's Psychology
Post by: Yooper on May 28, 2012, 01:26:36 pm
Is that a new book, Mooster?  I don't recall it and would like to try it if you think it's a good read.

Diana certainly exhibited quite a few emotional problems and then her paranoia at the end with wire tapping/phone calls recorded, but that ended up being justified on certain levels, so maybe she had a point.  But, to live under all of that messes with your head and she seemed as though she couldn't get out of there fast enough.  Do any of the members of the BRF have emotional or mental issues that have leaked out?

Believe me, there's no judgment towards anybody on any of this from me at all.


Title: Re: William's Psychology
Post by: Spitfire on May 28, 2012, 01:38:47 pm
It's definitely worth reading.  When it first came out, British publishers were banned from selling it because it told the truth about C&D's marriage.  One of my neighbours asked a friend of hers in the US to get for her.  It was very carefully wrapped in lots of brown paper to escape the eyes of the Royal Mail!  Not sure if it's still banned in the UK, which would be stupid, but it makes Andrew Morton's book look very tame!


Title: Re: William's Psychology
Post by: Yooper on May 28, 2012, 01:51:10 pm
^Thank you.  Is it The Housekeeper's Diary?  If so, I'm going to order it.  There's no downloading available and written in 1996 so not that long before Diana died.


Title: Re: William's Psychology
Post by: Spitfire on May 28, 2012, 01:57:57 pm
Yooper: that's the one!  I think that Wendy Berry also moved to the US when it was published.  I have a feeling that she was/is persona non grata in the UK and could be arrested if she came back to England because she breached the Palace confidentiality clause.  No wonder W&K don't want a housekeeper!


Title: Re: William's Psychology
Post by: True Brit on May 28, 2012, 02:34:02 pm
I haven't read this one but know all about it as she fled the country to the USA and only came back five years later when PC said he wouldn't sue her. I know she was criticised for spilling the beans but a document like this has great historical value. God knows if historians had to rely on the DM and DT reports we're seeing they'd get a completely inaccurate account of things.

I have just started reading Christopher Hutchins Diana on the Edge. He's a former Fleet Street (genuine FS) reporter and specialises in biographies his latest is on Putin. He wrote a couple about the Royals and he's not one to gloss over the unpalatable. This one is about her state of mind and he talks to psychologists etc about what was going on and they all link it back to her own childhood and her mother leaving.

As I have no idea if he has an agenda and it all seems plausible he doesn't think she was made BTW I am taking it at face value but it does raise the question that if her own parents' difference afected her psychologically then surely the same issues may will be affecting PW.


Title: Re: William's Psychology
Post by: Spitfire on May 28, 2012, 03:37:44 pm
Thanks, TB.  I wasn't sure where WB had gone.

Diana on the Edge sounds interesting and I shall look out for it.  No doubt that PW has been damaged by his parents' warring and the untimely death of his mother and the Middletons provided that safe family haven for him - or so it seemed.  I wonder how much KM has been damaged by her own mother's strong personality, her avaricious social-climbing, her controlling character, her apparent squashing of individuality to conform to what she deemed as sociably acceptable, etc?  Could be another book there in due course.


Title: Re: William's Psychology
Post by: Snokitty on May 28, 2012, 03:42:48 pm
If Diana's childhood affected her the way it has been portrayed then when she married it would have been with the intention to be married and raise her family with the Father till death do they part. When she discovered that Charles had no intention of giving up Camilla for her or the good of their family it would have sent her into an emotional state where she would have become like another person. All of the fears she had as a child would have taken over and she would have done anything to try and stop what she would see as the ultimate failure. She would have done everything she could think of to try and get Charles to see the problem.
Charles being who he is with the ego he has would have thought everything was about him and he was the only important one. When Diana realized that is truly who he was and nothing was ever going to change she would have stopped letting the hurt and the pain guide her and then she would have wanted to move on and make the best out of the situation.
William can not be placed in the same category because his parents did not divorce when he was to young to understand and he spent most of the years they were fighting away at school. After the divorce he was shoved off onto Nannies and other workers when he was with Charles. William may have some abandonment feelings because of that though. They would be different than the ones that Diana experienced. They would manifest themselves differently as in not wanting Kate but at the same time not wanting anyone else to have her. William is just like Charles in the way he feels entitled and his self importance and when Kate started going out and enjoying herself after the break up he could not believe what he was seeing. Not because he wants her but because he did not think she could continue without him. After so many years he felt pushed into this marriage by someone and I do not know who that was but it is not what he truly wanted and that much is obvious. William is not a man in many ways and he doesn't know how to solve his problem so he will wind up doing it in a way that a boy would.
His problems stem from the fact that he has not been told NO and has not had to face any hard consequences to his actions. They are not mental they are just bratty.


Title: Re: William's Psychology
Post by: Mooster on May 28, 2012, 04:38:54 pm
Yes Yooper, it's the Housekeeper's Diary.  I'm only half way through the book, and I'm not excusing Charles treatment of Diana, but I would say that she was certainly highly strung and an emotional handful and could be quite difficult to live with.  I would say living with Charles brought out the worst in her - those bullet points that Bijoux listed definitely fit with the housekeeper's perception of Diana.  It seems that William has inherited Diana's 'loose cannon' personality and Charles whiny sense of entitlement.  Charles seemed very set in his ways and unwilling to make room for anyone else's point of view or way of wanting to live.  I think there is a link between Diana's unsettled childhood and William's apparent inability to make his marriage work with Kate (pure speculation at this stage).  Charles just seems indifferent to anything but his own needs.  William seems to have inherited the worst of his parents characters.

I will also get a copy of the book that True Brit is reading  :thumbsup:


Title: Re: William's Psychology
Post by: Jane23 on May 28, 2012, 05:15:45 pm
^ How true Hot Harry seems to have taken all the best qualities of his parents and Willy...well he is a mess  :bye:.


Title: Re: William's Psychology
Post by: Yooper on May 28, 2012, 06:34:45 pm
Thanks you guys!  I had to order a hard copy edition, but it was only .50, so no loss there and will also get the book you recommended as well, TB.  That's one I missed somehow.  I also checked to see if you could order the book internationally and you can't.  Someone here or somewhere else has to mail it to you, which I'm more than willing to do.


Title: Re: William's Psychology
Post by: Mooster on May 28, 2012, 07:10:13 pm
I ordered mine from Amazon and it came all the way from the States...it's not available in the UK  :sly:


Title: Re: William's Psychology
Post by: AnaBolena on May 28, 2012, 07:29:13 pm
^ I can second or third the recommendation to read "Diana on the Edge".  It is written not really for or against either PC or PD - and I have read several books.  I really liked PD a lot despite her shortcomings, which we all have in varying degrees, but I also know one thing - I could not have lived with her and neither would I have been proud of some of the things she did not keep discreet if she were my sister as a Mother.

I am not excusing PC at all. bignono

For me, after so much reading, I believe PC and PD brought out the utter worse in each other.  PC didn't know how to deal with her emotions and this didn't help her, on the other hand she was too damaged to realize that sometimes her own actions would have a reaction.

As for PW - emotional abuse?  Possibly.  He may not like women much at all - not really like them or trust them.  He couldn't fix his Mother's crying and outbursts as a youngster - what affect did that have?  What affect did both parents admissions publicly have on him?  What affect did that Panorama interview have?  If your own Mother did that and your school friends all got to see it, how would you feel?

However, PW's statute of limitations on blaming either of his parents is over!  bignono  His life is now his own and his choices are now his own.  So far I wish he would step down and let Harry take over - this is not a man I would want to see in a power position.

Just my opinion.  :bored: :cookie:
 


Title: Re: William's Psychology
Post by: NicOfCA on June 07, 2012, 09:53:59 pm
I think that Wills is now a bit un-hinged, he is running scared trying a little of this, making a report, doing something else, trying to seem interested in his wife and all the while looking miserable.

...he certainly does look miserable at times.   :sorry:


Title: Re: William's Psychology
Post by: June on June 08, 2012, 09:50:04 am
Some people will do anything to make a quick buck and bask in their 5 minutes of fame.  :wopedo:

Sorry, but haven't they beaten this horse to death?


Title: Re: William's Psychology
Post by: sandy on June 09, 2012, 04:14:10 am
I think Charles liked being praised endlessly by sycophants and being the center of attention. This pattern started when his grandmother indulged him and spoiled. I think because he was narcissistic Charles had difficulty relating to others and considered them "pests" if they disagreed. Or worse still considered them "threats." Camilla knew how to push the right buttons and not so subtly put down Diana perhaps saying she didn't appreciate Charles or "understand him."  I think Charles was so self absorbed he thought Diana would fall into line and agree with all his expectations of the marriage and play nice with his mistress (the two could be "friends" and "civilized" much like APB and Charles were "friends")


Title: Re: William's Psychology
Post by: June on June 09, 2012, 06:54:05 am
However, PW's statute of limitations on blaming either of his parents is over!  bignono  His life is now his own and his choices are now his own. 

 :thumbsup: Love it! Utterly brilliant!


Title: Re: William's Psychology
Post by: sandy on June 09, 2012, 07:19:13 pm
In Junor's book it is alleged that William worried after what happened to his parents that he could not be faithful to Kate. I find that a total cop out. WIlliam is the one who decides if he will cheat or not--he can't think well Daddy made me because he cheated on Mom. WIlliam is not this precious being who is not responsible for any of his actions. He's a grown up now and HE is the one who needs to get his act together.


Title: Re: William's Psychology
Post by: Kuei Fei on June 10, 2012, 04:22:36 am
I wonder how Kate is going to handle things if William begins to completely lose patience with her in public. He lost it a little while they were on the boat and she looks like living wiht him is killing her in every respect. This sounds slightly off topic, but when Henry VIII became less enchanted with Anne, he began to remind her of all he did for her and seemed to be analyzing how she had gotten so much and did so little, when all he asked for was a male heir.

William has done a lot for her and her family and yet, Kate isn't working, isn't loving, and isn't even trying to get along with his family at all. She hasn't repaid him at all really and frankly it's not like she's been trying to do even that.


Title: Re: William's Psychology
Post by: Nymph on June 14, 2012, 11:14:22 pm
I wonder how Wills will treat Kate if they are still together when he comes around to wanting to start a family, and Kate might not be able to fulfill that role.  Wills doesn't seem to handle well not getting his way and is known for his tantrums.


Title: Re: William's Psychology
Post by: Kuei Fei on June 15, 2012, 05:57:14 am
I don't think William will handle it well and I don't think that he will treat Kate well either; instead of indifference, it will come down to active dislike. He wants kids and he knows his duty to the succession, so there won't be a chance (to be frank) that he will end up being benign when both are threatened.


Title: Re: William's Psychology
Post by: windsor2 on June 15, 2012, 06:04:15 am
^well he should've married a woman that didn't abuse her body for years and continues to do so knowing that she's obligated o produce an heir and a spare. He should *despise* himself for being taken in by the Midds and not Waity. What a fine mess this marriage is.


Title: Re: William's Psychology
Post by: Kuei Fei on June 15, 2012, 06:12:55 am
He should have dumped her in 2010 instead of agreeing to marry her; surely he knew she was a big drinker and knew she had done some pot and knew that she had been neglecting her physical/nutritional health as well.


Title: Re: William's Psychology
Post by: royalfanPKLS on June 15, 2012, 08:10:15 am
I feel the need to defend Kae on this issue. There's various reasons for a woman not being able to produce a child. PCOS is a common issue, I don't think she has it though. But I do and I can say that you can be really healthy and still have trouble having children. I would hope that the royal houses would be open to the idea of using fertility treatments and/or adoption plans in case of an infertile royal these days.


Title: Re: William's Psychology
Post by: Mooster on June 15, 2012, 08:21:27 am
^ Oh yeah, more coddling of Kate.  Well I hope the cost of said fertility treatment doesn't end up being transferred to the taxpayer, which it probably will, put it down as an expense - bit like Charles and his creative accounting.   Adoption is ridiculous, it's bad enough having to support a family of parasites let alone one that's not really royal.  I hope she can't reproduce, that's one less leech we'll have to pay for.  Don't give me...but we can't take it out on a kid...well I can, one that has Carole's rotten, skewed genes.  


Title: Re: William's Psychology
Post by: lothwen on June 15, 2012, 08:26:23 am
^You're just a bleeding heart, aren't you Mooster


William gets no sympathy from me if Kate can't conceive.  He had every opportunity to dump her and walk away from the relationship and he didn't.  He wanted to marry her and he did, so now he needs to suck it up


Title: Re: William's Psychology
Post by: royalfanPKLS on June 15, 2012, 08:29:30 am
Okay for me, this isn't an issue about coddling Kate, it's personal because like i said I have PCOS, and I may suffer from infertility in the near future and other male and female royals of the present and future times could be plagued by low-fertility. I know back in the day, if you were barren then that was it, there were no medical interventions. But these days they are out there and I don't think royals should be excluded on the basis of tradition or tax payers' money issues.


Title: Re: William's Psychology
Post by: Mooster on June 15, 2012, 08:32:22 am
Well, I'm more practical - and I don't let emotional issues fog my brain when it comes to commenting on one of the wealthiest, entitled, freeloading families in the land.  If you're happy having your tax spent on unclogging Kate's tubes and then contributing to the upkeep of the result - then that's your prerogative.


Title: Re: William's Psychology
Post by: June on June 15, 2012, 08:36:18 am
^ Oh yeah, more coddling of Kate.  Well I hope the cost of said fertility treatment doesn't end up being transferred to the taxpayer, which it probably will, put it down as an expense - bit like Charles and his creative accounting.   Adoption is ridiculous, it's bad enough having to support a family of parasites let alone one that's not really royal.  I hope she can't reproduce, that's one less leech we'll have to pay for.  Don't give me...but we can't take it out on a kid...well I can, one that has Carole's rotten, skewed genes. 

Your posts are harsh Mooster, but I can't help agreeing with you, in principle.  :-X

As stated, for tax purposes, Charles would write-off all the money he provides to the Cambridges' lifestyle. So, in effect, all UK taxpayers are funding Waity's royal lifestyle to the tune of whatever the effective rate of tax is for the Duchy. It's not rocket science. Does anyone think that the royals cover such expenses dollar for dollar?  :-

So, all her clothes (for appearances), her makeup, staff, hair appointments etc, are all subsidised by the TAXPAYER. So, everything she wears on engagements is open to scrutiny. I'm amazed at how stupid the general public is - and that goes for Australians, too. I'm not singling out any nationality.  :BFF:


Title: Re: William's Psychology
Post by: Mooster on June 15, 2012, 08:38:36 am
^ My posts may be harsh, but I haven't personally insulted anyone...Lothwen called me a bleeding heart - well maybe she's a bleeding --------- fill in the gap but I don't say it for everyone to read.


Title: Re: William's Psychology
Post by: June on June 15, 2012, 08:44:03 am
I agree with you.  :there:  I'm just stating that you really speak your mind. Nothing wrong with that.

I'm not sure how to interpret Lothwen's post.  ???

Why should UK taxpayers have to fund this woman's fertility issues? She doesn't contribute to the tax base. In Australia, people are vetted before they can have IVF - and there are significant out-of-pocket expenses.


Title: Re: William's Psychology
Post by: Mooster on June 15, 2012, 08:46:06 am
^  :hug:


Title: Re: William's Psychology
Post by: lothwen on June 15, 2012, 08:52:32 am
You know who could probably interpert that post for you?


Just saying.   :flower:



I meant it sarcastically, which I didn't make clear in the original post.  A "bleeding heart" wouldn't have written anything as harsh as Mooster did, they would say that everyone deserves to have children if they wanted to and it's not up to us to decide who should and shouldn't have children and how dare you put different expectations on Kate just because she's married to a Prince, and blah blah blah....




Title: Re: William's Psychology
Post by: June on June 15, 2012, 08:56:24 am
Yes, I do! Clever!

I'm cautious because it's easy to misinterpret a person's intention on the 'net. I try to avoid scrapes on the board, not always successful.  :shy:

@ Mooster: your posts are enjoyable and well articulated, no need to worry, IMO.  :hug:


Title: Re: William's Psychology
Post by: Snokitty on June 15, 2012, 11:12:57 am
I like Mooster's posts, they are direct and to the point. No sitting on the fence she knows what and who she likes and doesn't like. It is called being totally honest.  :thumbsup:


Title: Re: William's Psychology
Post by: windsor2 on June 15, 2012, 02:01:38 pm
Also, when you have no say in the matter regarding paying for Waity's lifestyle, one can get hot under the collar. Seeing how Waity's not even doing the simplest things such as not upstaging HM, working daily and making Wills decision in marrying you worth while, she's thumbing her nose at the tax payer by being an incompetent, vapid girl/woman. I enjoy Mooster's posts because she just puts what she's feeling with out being politically correct.


Title: Re: William's Psychology
Post by: June on June 15, 2012, 02:25:43 pm
I can appreciate that it must be very frustrating for the UK taxpayers. I'm seething just knowing that right now, as it stands, she will hold very high public office in Oz.  :angry:


Title: Re: William's Psychology
Post by: royalfanPKLS on August 10, 2012, 11:38:42 am
As far as which disorder he’s most likely to have, I’d say antisocial personality disorder.

Per http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmedhealth/PMH0001919/ (http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmedhealth/PMH0001919/), I’ve copied some points. I didn’t copy everything from the site, but most things do apply to PW.

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Antisocial personality disorder is a mental health condition in which a person has a long-term pattern of manipulating, exploiting, or violating the rights of others. This behavior is often criminal.

A person with antisocial personality disorder may:
•   Be able to act witty and charming
•   Be good at flattery and manipulating other people's emotions
•   Disregard the safety of self and others (flying a helicopter to a stag party- he did this, didn't he?)
•   Not show guilt or remorse
•   Often be angry or arrogant

To be diagnosed with antisocial personality disorder, a person must have had conduct disorder during childhood (most of us agree that he did).

Antisocial personality disorder is one of the most difficult personality disorders to treat. People with this condition rarely seek treatment on their own. They may only start therapy when required to by a court.

Okay thank you but I still don't see that in him. Perhaps some of the more stranger habits he seems to have from time to time has more to do with just the way he was raised. If you noticed a lot of people who were considered spoiled brats as children tend to display some of these behaviors because they may not have been corrected growing up but that doesn't make them textbook sociopaths. But thank god the link said that this disorder can improve on it's own by the time a person is 40 because my sister and I feel like like my other sister (I grew up with two older sisters) basically has this disorder and she's almost 40. My dad died recently and she promised him she would try to be nicer and few other things. I don't like to think that my sister is a sociopath but we (my sister and I) have seen some of these behaviors in her and as children suffered some of the abuses of her more negative qualities. But putting that in mind, I don't see this in William at all. True he is basically forced to appear a certain way in public but I believe privately he's probably a warm person with his heart on his sleeve. I know that's not the popular belief here but I just don't seem him as being that bad.


Title: Re: William's Psychology
Post by: Freya on August 10, 2012, 07:33:54 pm
I think that there is an inner conflict going on. He wants to stay in search and rescue or the armed forces but feels driven by duty to the Queen to take on more Royal Duties.

Marrying Kate was part of the royal duties. I am not saying that he is not fond of her but I wonder what will happen if he meets someone who really blows him away. That's what happens when people just settle for the person that they happen to be with at a specific time in their life. Sometimes it works, often it does not.

He may have a break down at some stage or become very depressed and say I don't want this royal life. Prince Charles apparently suffered with black moods and Camilla was the only person that could deal with it. That is why I think she is tolerated.

I just cannot see William being happy with a life of small talk and ribbon cutting. Something will give. I would not be surprised to see a Henry 1X.


Title: Re: William's Psychology
Post by: royalfanPKLS on August 10, 2012, 11:42:34 pm
Well Freya IMO, if that happens, he will either end up getting a divorce and sticking with this person and/or they'll be marital turmoil with him and Kate and he'l eventually decide to stick with Kate for other reason and the other person will end up going by the wayside.


Title: Re: William's Psychology
Post by: Freya on August 11, 2012, 12:39:23 pm
IMO if they have a family they will stay together and William may have affairs. If they do not have children I think that they will part eventually.

Whether they part or stay together I can see William forming relationships with women, either platonic or otherwise. He is still friendly with Jecca Craig and has mentioned running a marathon in Africa in 2013. He seems very keen on Africa. I can see him and Jecca remaining friends for a long time. 


Title: Re: William's Psychology
Post by: sandy on August 12, 2012, 10:02:27 pm
I think that there is an inner conflict going on. He wants to stay in search and rescue or the armed forces but feels driven by duty to the Queen to take on more Royal Duties.

Marrying Kate was part of the royal duties. I am not saying that he is not fond of her but I wonder what will happen if he meets someone who really blows him away. That's what happens when people just settle for the person that they happen to be with at a specific time in their life. Sometimes it works, often it does not.

He may have a break down at some stage or become very depressed and say I don't want this royal life. Prince Charles apparently suffered with black moods and Camilla was the only person that could deal with it. That is why I think she is tolerated.

I just cannot see William being happy with a life of small talk and ribbon cutting. Something will give. I would not be surprised to see a Henry 1X.

I think Camilla was and is out for herself. She gets a lot of perks by catering to Charles.  Charles also saw other women that apparently catered to him like Kanga and Janet Jenkins but Camilla was more manipulative than the rest. And how much Camilla has to "deal with it" is not known--since she did get to keep Raymill her former home as a retreat. So she's not around soothing CHarles brow apparently on a steady basis. And not everybody "tolerates" Camilla.

I think William likes the perks of being a senior royal so I am not sure he will ditch being directly in line for the throne.


Title: Re: William's Psychology
Post by: Kuei Fei on October 15, 2012, 06:34:58 am
I just thought I might share:

William's biggest mistake in life is how he awlays wants to save people from themselves.

This isn't just about his mother, mainly because there are a lot of people who try to 'be there' for people whose lives are being thrown away. For example, we all know about stories about women who try to help abusive males, how druggies always have that 'best friend' 'there' for them. William had a chance at a straight/narrow life, but has thrown it away to eternally 'be there' for Kate as she goes through one mess after another, sidetracking a life that might have been more fulfilling. I honestly believe that if he had left her behind and walked away, he would end up being a healthier man.

He only saved Kate, not from herself, but the consequences of her actions. When you look at it, he's been saving a lot of people from the consequences of himself, while the palace saves him. If he had walked away, Kate's life would have been one of anonymynity; if she hadn't been dating or married, I am certain that she would be 'safe' from the evil press that she complained of all the time. Interestingly, he has entwined himself in anotehr warped relationship, where he is a caretaker in a relationship where he should have an equal, a wife, not be a caretaker to a disturbed individual.


Title: Re: William's Psychology
Post by: fyeah_harryshotabs on October 15, 2012, 06:40:01 am
Seriously...I doubt Wills thinks about saving anyone from anything. He seems really self absorbed to me :dontknow:


Title: Re: William's Psychology
Post by: Kuei Fei on October 15, 2012, 08:43:37 am
Well, then, he's the one making himself crazy, no one else.


Title: Re: William's Psychology
Post by: Kuei Fei on October 14, 2013, 07:20:15 pm
Sorry for the ouble post, but I thought this would be an ideal topic to jump-start.


Title: Re: William's Psychology
Post by: Stephanie on October 14, 2013, 07:49:53 pm
IMO Wimpo is damaged goods due to his parents marital problems, subsequent divorce, his mother's death and Chuck marrying his mistress/nanny.
That is a lot to handle especially when the whole world is watching.
When he went to St. Andrews I think he just wanted to forget and start a new life as a young adult.
But that didn't happen thanks to the scheming disturbed Mansons.
They shoved Waity in his face with free sex and a seemingly "normal " background.
Since then he IMO suffers from arrested development: like all Manson spawn Wimpo too has NOT matured into adulthood.
He likes other to pay for him, he does not have a job, he does't take responsibility for his actions.
And unlike the other Manson spawn he has a lot of rage in him.
He wants the whole word to pay for his past and present misery whereas a mature person with realistic life experience understands that life can give you shitty cards and you have to play them anyway.


Title: Re: William's Psychology
Post by: sandy on October 14, 2013, 08:23:52 pm
William always wants the easy way out. Kate is a classic enabler and is aiding and abetting his choice of a lazy lifestyle with occasional "work" involving going to parties, kicking footballs, or watching games.


Title: Re: William's Psychology
Post by: Kuei Fei on October 14, 2013, 09:05:07 pm
I'm not sure it's entirely selfishness, but he's someone who has seen too much and dealt with too much. I've been there so I know what I'm talking about. As for the Mansons, they were there when the RF made it (must have) pretty clear that he was unwanted. All people go where they're wanted. At some point something happened and I think there's a lot we don't know. I don't know why the RF didn't take him under their wing a lot sooner; it's like when he went to St. Andrews he was sent the signal that he was on his own and had to fend for himself. So go figure, he's someone who was treated like he was unwanted and go figure, Kate showed him that he was wanted.

The biggest problem is the pressure the Windsors have on 'carrying on' all the time. They didn't just stop their 'important' work and find a place for William.

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Since then he IMO suffers from arrested development: like all Manson spawn Wimpo too has NOT matured into adulthood.
He likes other to pay for him, he does not have a job, he does't take responsibility for his actions.

Having been there, taking on burdens too soon makes your set aside your own development and deal with others; first his childhood and then his girlfriend. He hasn't been taking responsibility since he's had to take responsibility for other people before he was ready. When his family leaves him to rot like a social disease frankly tells him that he can't switch gears (when he feels like he's drowning, in over his head at St. Andrews) then what else is he supposed to think?

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He wants the whole word to pay for his past and present misery whereas a mature person with realistic life experience understands that life can give you shitty cards and you have to play them anyway

Not everyone gets out and I don't think he's one of those people; he's just not able to cut it and he's too sick and not getting the help he needs. Look, we hear stories about kids who get out of bad situations, but not everyone does or has the smarts or the breaks at the critical point in time when there is a 'make or break.' He's obviously sick and needs help, but the Windsors are apparently talented at ignoring the problem and hoping it would go away.

He's sick as a dog and his family (for all William's supposed importance to the monarchy) is leaving him to completely self destruct.


Title: Re: William's Psychology
Post by: Stephanie on October 14, 2013, 10:39:22 pm
I feel Campon has a lot to answer for.
No mistress is ever safe when it comes to the children of the first marriage.
She IMO has 2 options:
-Be a " better mother" then the wife which obviously didn't happen.
-Make the father more or less "forget" about his children by promoting her own and making the father see his children as the relics of a doomed marriage.
Making sure he sees any "bad traits" of the mother in them, tainting them.
I think that's what happened in the relationship between Chuck and his son.
IMO he should have remained single, focussing on his sons and not on a relentless homewrecker who wants him only for his status.


Title: Re: William's Psychology
Post by: Kuei Fei on October 14, 2013, 10:50:34 pm
He's kind of like a drug addict with his addiction to drama and addiction to blaming everyone.


Title: Re: William's Psychology
Post by: sandy on October 14, 2013, 11:11:59 pm
I feel Campon has a lot to answer for.
No mistress is ever safe when it comes to the children of the first marriage.
She IMO has 2 options:
-Be a " better mother" then the wife which obviously didn't happen.
-Make the father more or less "forget" about his children by promoting her own and making the father see his children as the relics of a doomed marriage.
Making sure he sees any "bad traits" of the mother in them, tainting them.
I think that's what happened in the relationship between Chuck and his son.
IMO he should have remained single, focussing on his sons and not on a relentless homewrecker who wants him only for his status.

Camilla is and was a greedy grasping woman. It is nauseating that some of the papers call her the "grandmother."  Charles should have either remained single or married for a second time, someone other than Camilla. But in his stupidity he named Camilla publicly as his mistress. Charles put in most of his money and time on the woman pushing and promoting her.


Title: Re: William's Psychology
Post by: Kuei Fei on October 14, 2013, 11:54:47 pm
I'm surprised Camilla wasn't the one in a car in Paris; brutal, but I think William has a lot of unpleasantness in store for her, along with Harry.


Title: Re: William's Psychology
Post by: serene grace on October 15, 2013, 12:16:08 am
Journalist, Victoria Arbiter is saying William may be on a "war path" over the godparent leaks.
Another Journo said  William is looking for the leaks, he's ticked off. Another said William may have included a few false names purposely to some, to flesh out inside leakers.


Why does he have to play so many stealth games?  :think:


Title: Re: William's Psychology
Post by: scarlett on October 15, 2013, 12:55:47 am
He's an idiot if he doesn't get it by now, if any of the Middleton clan know, then it's likely that the press will know.


Title: Re: William's Psychology
Post by: sandy on October 15, 2013, 02:06:53 am
Will needs to seriously chill. Not everybody thinks who the godparents are is the most important issue in the Universe.


Title: Re: William's Psychology
Post by: Kuei Fei on October 15, 2013, 02:38:19 am
He's always on the warpath. Gets tiring after a while.

This is going to sound cruel, but William needs to get over himself; this is the worst part of his psychology, how he hypes up his own importance.

He's not going to run the country in any way and he's not so burdened with a holy commission sent solely to him by God, so what the eff?


Title: Re: William's Psychology
Post by: CathyJane on October 16, 2013, 02:28:27 am
But HE thinks he will run the country and it IS his right.  :o


Title: Re: William's Psychology
Post by: Kuei Fei on October 16, 2013, 06:07:14 am
I think he would like to walk away, but is afraid of being shunned by his family; I mean, the RF exiled the last monarch who walked and I wonder if William is scared that his family will kick him out of their personal life completely and I for one would view that as a huge incentive to not walk.


Title: Re: William's Psychology
Post by: CathyJane on October 17, 2013, 03:36:53 am
This is possible. And I think he know if he does walk away he will lose the Midds, who he has been so attached to, too. He will be all alone and I don't think he could handle that.


Title: Re: William's Psychology
Post by: Kuei Fei on October 23, 2013, 05:20:51 pm
I think William has a subconscious death wish to join his mother; his interest in the morbid aspects of her (Diana's) life and death and an unhealthy fixation on the crash, the parts of her life that led to her death. I sincerely hope the palace is keeping him under strict watch and care 'cause the last thing I want to hear is an announcement of his death.


Title: Re: William's Psychology
Post by: ChickP83 on October 23, 2013, 06:12:27 pm
^ What evidence is there on his unhealthy fixation with the crash that killed Princess Diana? (Not challenging you or anything, just curious)


Title: Re: William's Psychology
Post by: sandy on October 23, 2013, 06:32:50 pm
I don't think Will has an unhealthy fixation but he knows when to and when not to play the Diana card. I am not so sure he was "honoring" Diana by choosing the venue for the Christening. If he wanted to "honor" Diana he would have invited a Spencer to attend. Just my opinion. 


Title: Re: William's Psychology
Post by: Yooper on October 23, 2013, 08:57:48 pm
He seems to be losing his grip on how to best tick people off because I agree, if he really wanted to continue his pipe dream of being 'normal' and honoring his late mother he would've invited a member from the Spencer family to play a role in this.  Slighting the members of the RF was a PW move, but then he dropped the ball.  "Include the Middletons, don't include these people from the RF, what to do about the Spencers?"  It's all getting confusing isn't it, PW???

He can't have it all nor both ways.  At some point, he needs a good swift kick to get his act together, especially now that he's a father.  This is the foundation upon which his son will build his life and it's not a grudge match anymore.  If he's an adult, that is.


Title: Re: William's Psychology
Post by: serene grace on October 23, 2013, 09:20:14 pm
Harry looked sad. IMO


Title: Re: William's Psychology
Post by: Kuei Fei on October 24, 2013, 10:14:56 am
The RF might not be unfeeling, but tired of having to dance around William's landmine mental health. William won't let his mother go and understand that his mother is dead and there is no way to make up for what happened. They can't make one step without worrying about him getting upset and it's probably driving HM to frustrated distraction.

William had the world at his feet, but he threw it all away over a woman who's been dead for over a decade now and not gone on to live his own life. It's like he's committed some sort of mental and spiritual suicide and is (I hope I'm wrong) two steps from physical self destruction.

^ What evidence is there on his unhealthy fixation with the crash that killed Princess Diana? (Not challenging you or anything, just curious)

Back in 2012 when the photos were leaked it was said that William had flashbacks as to when his mother was killed in France.


Title: Re: William's Psychology
Post by: Yooper on October 24, 2013, 03:40:45 pm
Hey, KF.  Agreed and there were other moments that at the moment I am unable to recall, but PW has indicated some disturbing reactions to his mother's death and he uses it to his convenience whenever possible.  And not in a good way.

The thing that has always bothered me is that this is a family that 'bucks up' and carries on and all of that.  It's not their way to display any kind of outward emotion so if we see any whiff of odd behavior, the bets are it's much more evident behind the curtain.

I, for one, am very tired of his behavior. Other people in the world have had disasters in their lives, PW and some much much worse.  He's most definitely on a one-man path to self-destruction and does everything he can to show his displeasure which has become not only unattractive but shows an inability to be strong and disciplined and, more importantly, honor his mother, not drag her dead body around with him all the time.  For me, he hasn't made one single positive decision, on his own, since he became an adult, age-wise.  No leader here, no way, no how.


Title: Re: William's Psychology
Post by: bluetee27 on October 24, 2013, 04:44:49 pm
William has issues...I don't buy into his public persona and I believe he is a spoiled entitled brat.  :king:

I don't think he enjoys greeting and talking with press and the people. It is all an act and I wouldn't put it past him to discuss these frustrations with anyone who will listen in his circle.


Title: Re: William's Psychology
Post by: Countess of Holland on October 24, 2013, 06:15:18 pm
In this respect he is just like his father who was once overheard telling his sons how he hated the guts of some journalist. This was during an official photo-opp in Switzerland while they were skiiing.
I always considered it not only bad behaviour but also proof that Charles hasn't matured fully.


Title: Re: William's Psychology
Post by: serene grace on October 25, 2013, 12:43:12 pm
William has issues...I don't buy into his public persona and I believe he is a spoiled entitled brat.  :king:

I don't think he enjoys greeting and talking with press and the people. It is all an act and I wouldn't put it past him to discuss these frustrations with anyone who will listen in his circle.

It was reported in the first days of Kate bringing William home, that is how He and Carole bonded. He'd awake a few hours earlier than Kate and Carole would already be up in the kitchen, she'd ask him to come join her and chat over cocoa.  During those morning hours alone with MaMidds , William supposedly slowly trusted her, confided in her and told her his issues surrounding his life as a Royal.  Carole is no dummy, she got to know right away what made William tick and she and Kate discovered what he needed in the way of emotional support.  They caught him at a point in his life when he was vulnerable, searching for answers and still holding much anger over past events.

 If the Palace was paying closer attention right at the start, they would have seen that Williams relationship was with both Carole and Kate, as well as using the Middleton family unit to further entice him and taken steps to remove him from them by sending him out of their clutches  somewhere for a year or even more. IMO

The Windsor's must be kicking themselves now. It's obvious the Middleton's played the game for Prince Williams devotion, better. I think the Windsor's have lost William at this moment in royal history.


Title: Re: William's Psychology
Post by: Stephanie on October 25, 2013, 02:29:58 pm
^ :worship:


Title: Re: William's Psychology
Post by: Mandosiel on October 25, 2013, 04:17:55 pm
^^ :worship: :worship:

Seriously?? :-


Title: Re: William's Psychology
Post by: bluetee27 on October 25, 2013, 04:25:40 pm
William has issues...I don't buy into his public persona and I believe he is a spoiled entitled brat.  :king:

I don't think he enjoys greeting and talking with press and the people. It is all an act and I wouldn't put it past him to discuss these frustrations with anyone who will listen in his circle.

It was reported in the first days of Kate bringing William home, that is how He and Carole bonded. He'd awake a few hours earlier than Kate and Carole would already be up in the kitchen, she'd ask him to come join her and chat over cocoa.  During those morning hours alone with MaMidds , William supposedly slowly trusted her, confided in her and told her his issues surrounding his life as a Royal.  Carole is no dummy, she got to know right away what made William tick and she and Kate discovered what he needed in the way of emotional support.  They caught him at a point in his life when he was vulnerable, searching for answers and still holding much anger over past events.

 If the Palace was paying closer attention right at the start, they would have seen that Williams relationship was with both Carole and Kate, as well as using the Middleton family unit to further entice him and taken steps to remove him from them by sending him out of their clutches  somewhere for a year or even more. IMO

The Windsor's must be kicking themselves now. It's obvious the Middleton's played the game for Prince Williams devotion, better. I think the Windsor's have lost William at this moment in royal history.

I couldn't agree more with everything you just said.  The Middletons won his affection and trust. After they did, there was no way William could have walked away from his new adopted family. He had to marry Kate because Carole (a new mum), Michael (loving dad), Pippa (little sis), and James (non-royal brother and possibly more) came along with his relationship. He couldn't divorce the entire family.


Title: Re: William's Psychology
Post by: Jane23 on October 25, 2013, 04:27:16 pm
William has issues...I don't buy into his public persona and I believe he is a spoiled entitled brat.  :king:

I don't think he enjoys greeting and talking with press and the people. It is all an act and I wouldn't put it past him to discuss these frustrations with anyone who will listen in his circle.

It was reported in the first days of Kate bringing William home, that is how He and Carole bonded. He'd awake a few hours earlier than Kate and Carole would already be up in the kitchen, she'd ask him to come join her and chat over cocoa.  During those morning hours alone with MaMidds , William supposedly slowly trusted her, confided in her and told her his issues surrounding his life as a Royal.  Carole is no dummy, she got to know right away what made William tick and she and Kate discovered what he needed in the way of emotional support.  They caught him at a point in his life when he was vulnerable, searching for answers and still holding much anger over past events.

 If the Palace was paying closer attention right at the start, they would have seen that Williams relationship was with both Carole and Kate, as well as using the Middleton family unit to further entice him and taken steps to remove him from them by sending him out of their clutches  somewhere for a year or even more. IMO

The Windsor's must be kicking themselves now. It's obvious the Middleton's played the game for Prince Williams devotion, better. I think the Windsor's have lost William at this moment in royal history.
8)  :worship:.


Title: Re: William's Psychology
Post by: Kuei Fei on October 25, 2013, 07:17:38 pm
William has issues...I don't buy into his public persona and I believe he is a spoiled entitled brat.  :king: I don't think he enjoys greeting and talking with press and the people. It is all an act and I wouldn't put it past him to discuss these frustrations with anyone who will listen in his circle.

If the Palace was paying closer attention right at the start, they would have seen that Williams relationship was with both Carole and Kate, as well as using the Middleton family unit to further entice him and taken steps to remove him from them by sending him out of their clutches  somewhere for a year or even more. IMO

The Windsor's must be kicking themselves now. It's obvious the Middleton's played the game for Prince Williams devotion, better. I think the Windsor's have lost William at this moment in royal history.

AMEN AMEN AMEN!

The Windsors failed big time and refused to accept (just like Charles did with Camilla) that times have changed and women (rightly) no longer agree to being just a mistress and step aside for a wife. Kate wasn't going to go anywhere and there is no way that the Midds were going to be willing to let go.

The Windsors should have modeled their family structure after the highest aristocratic families in the land, mainly keeping their eye on their heirs and keeping them on a career track. If William was so valuable to them, why were they so cavalier? The Midds likely made him feel like he was worth their time, something the RF failed to do.


Title: Re: William's Psychology
Post by: Countess of Holland on October 25, 2013, 07:55:53 pm
William has issues...I don't buy into his public persona and I believe he is a spoiled entitled brat.  :king:

I don't think he enjoys greeting and talking with press and the people. It is all an act and I wouldn't put it past him to discuss these frustrations with anyone who will listen in his circle.

It was reported in the first days of Kate bringing William home, that is how He and Carole bonded. He'd awake a few hours earlier than Kate and Carole would already be up in the kitchen, she'd ask him to come join her and chat over cocoa.  During those morning hours alone with MaMidds , William supposedly slowly trusted her, confided in her and told her his issues surrounding his life as a Royal.  Carole is no dummy, she got to know right away what made William tick and she and Kate discovered what he needed in the way of emotional support.  They caught him at a point in his life when he was vulnerable, searching for answers and still holding much anger over past events.

 

I totally agree. At the engagement interview, William was very aloof and emotionless except when he was talking about the family-life with the Middletons. That is when I started thinking that William wasn't in love with Kate but with her family and the close family-bond they portrayed to have.
Of course that was the facade they created for William and the poor sod was too naieve to notice it. And now he is stuck with them.


Title: Re: William's Psychology
Post by: Stephanie on October 25, 2013, 08:32:21 pm
What is really sad that the Mansons are not delivering what they promised.
They are modern days Boleyns. :ick:
A person can heal from certain trauma's by having a loving partner and other people that validate and support you.
But the don't it is all facade.
A mother figure would have given him support if she really felt a connection with him and had a big heart. Such people exist.
But the Mansons never intended for Wimpo, in fact all their spawn, to grow up and spread his wings.
He has to remain under their control.

And the worst part is the total failure of Waity as a wife: she will NOT build a close and happy family.
She is not the kind of wife that builds bridges and makes sure there's a home to come to( left him in Wales for at least 6 months to go shopping in London).
My guess is that Waity is a big disappointment for Wimpo and they hardly spend any time together.


Title: Re: William's Psychology
Post by: Kuei Fei on October 25, 2013, 09:51:19 pm
One thing I do know is that the more he hyped his role of himself up in his mind, Kate was right there playing the loving supportive young consort to his holy mission to save the nation. That is how Camilla got and kept and won Charles in the end really. The aristos there reminded him of the reality of the insignificance of his future really; it's his reverse snobbery that got him in the end; his mother was a commoner, but aristocratic and for some reason he thought a genuine commoner would end up being so much better than a titled young woman. I wonder just how intense his ardor would have been if Kate had been one of his crowd. He dated and married her because she was untitled and for some reason fancied that his fellow aristocratic young women were she-devils and Kate a helpless ingenue commoner who would need his protection. It never penetrated his thick skull that a young woman who would parade down a runway in lingerie and heels wouldn't really need his protection, but a restraining order. Notice that as long as Kate remained as common as muck he would fancy her in need of protection and chivalry, but the minute she got hoity-toity with him, he would kick her to the curb.


Title: Re: William's Psychology
Post by: Emperor on October 26, 2013, 02:51:48 am
It never penetrated his thick skull that a young woman who would parade down a runway in lingerie and heels wouldn't really need his protection, but a restraining order. Notice that as long as Kate remained as common as muck he would fancy her in need of protection and chivalry, but the minute she got hoity-toity with him, he would kick her to the curb.

 :worship: :worship: :worship:


Title: Re: William's Psychology
Post by: Stephanie on October 26, 2013, 10:00:18 am
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Like common Waity is some Noble Wildwoman.


Title: Re: William's Psychology
Post by: Stephanie on October 26, 2013, 12:39:43 pm
http://25.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_lxd07rZI3O1r3s1zwo1_250.gif :nervous:


Title: Re: William's Psychology
Post by: gingerboy24 on October 26, 2013, 01:00:12 pm
I actually find her a very unattractive woman, even more so with all that weight loss, she looks so cold and hard.


Title: Re: William's Psychology
Post by: Countess of Holland on October 26, 2013, 02:24:21 pm
http://25.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_lxd07rZI3O1r3s1zwo1_250.gif :nervous:

But grandmother, why are your teeth so large.

Yikes, what an unappealing woman she is!


Title: Re: William's Psychology
Post by: bluetee27 on October 26, 2013, 03:40:36 pm
One thing I do know is that the more he hyped his role of himself up in his mind, Kate was right there playing the loving supportive young consort to his holy mission to save the nation. That is how Camilla got and kept and won Charles in the end really. The aristos there reminded him of the reality of the insignificance of his future really; it's his reverse snobbery that got him in the end; his mother was a commoner, but aristocratic and for some reason he thought a genuine commoner would end up being so much better than a titled young woman. I wonder just how intense his ardor would have been if Kate had been one of his crowd. He dated and married her because she was untitled and for some reason fancied that his fellow aristocratic young women were she-devils and Kate a helpless ingenue commoner who would need his protection. It never penetrated his thick skull that a young woman who would parade down a runway in lingerie and heels wouldn't really need his protection, but a restraining order. Notice that as long as Kate remained as common as muck he would fancy her in need of protection and chivalry, but the minute she got hoity-toity with him, he would kick her to the curb.

I agree with your entire post...I couldn't have said it better.  I wonder how William feel about Kate's polished accent?  It's so obvious that she has changed her speaking voice. 


Title: Re: William's Psychology
Post by: serene grace on October 26, 2013, 05:29:50 pm
If she ever starts going whole hog Aristo, she's toast, with William. Right now she still clings to mummy and her family, but I have a feeling if she ever tries to really cultivate highborn and aristocratic lady friends and get mentoring from them ,then puts that mentoring into action, William will find her unattractive.

I think William basically likes that Kate seems out of her depth around royals and the aristocracy.
His thrill is in giving a  ill equipped,outsider the head seat. It's such a cliche'

William is such a cliche'. He figures he's sticking it to his Royal and Aristocratic heritage by throwing the Middletons in their face at every turn. He wants everyone hurt, upset or irrate or even impressed(by his rebellion) that he chooses the Middletons over Royalty, but he's become just a sad cliche'. This sort of fable has been written for ages, he can't see that he's not inventing this story, it's been done. Most of the men end up falling, somehow.



Title: Re: William's Psychology
Post by: Kuei Fei on October 27, 2013, 09:04:38 pm
Kind of funny how Kate marketed herself as the trashy fun girl and is now trying to better herself, but apparently William is distancing herself. Yet being tarty is just what the palace loathes and the public is sick of it as well. She certainly knows how to put herself in bad situations, doesn't she?

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What if ,William just ticked certain boxes he felt he needed to fulfil( Marriage and baby)and now he's done with playing the steadfast protector to Kate?
 
Now, He can pursue his footballer pals events, create charities around things he enjoys, go to Africa for fun and his conservation role and not have to deal with Kate much, the Palace handler's will keep her occupied and her mother will always be available for her and she has a nanny for help with baby George.

Classic mentality of a man who has given his all and is now tired of providing it; he gave Kate his best and all and he didn't get anything in return, so now he's going to give her the middle finger and be indifferent. If she wants to put in effort, she had better do it or one day she's going to wake up and find out that she doesn't have a marriage.

Thing is, that for all his selfishness towards his family, he's been kind of on automatic mode and he's done his duty to his family and nation and I think that if any other young woman had been in the same position, that she would have had the same sort of good treatment from William, but possibly better treatment from the palace if she had been classy and decent and hardworking.

That's the kind of tragic thing is that all the wrong people are in the wrong position. That I think is where William is making the mistake. He's being decent to Kate and he might be reactive to anyone else he marries. Kind of how some men judge women harshly after being burned a few times. It's taking a lot out on someone who had nothing to do with the issue beforehand.

If he had dated someone after Kate, I think there would have been a lot of pressure on the next girlfriend to market herself as harder working to undo any perception of laziness, which isn't fair to someone who had nothing to do with the baggage that the other woman created in the first place.

I don't think William will have it easy if there is pressure for any next wife to avoid being seen (in his mind and of the public) to be lazy, which just adds pressure. It's like dating one too many times and then end up holding others to impossible standards and placing a burden on anyone who didn't have anything to do with the bad past.


Title: Re: William's Psychology
Post by: YankeeDuchess on December 07, 2013, 11:38:22 pm
Saw this and thought of Wimpo

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/12/07/dating-a-psychopath_n_4378946.html?ncid=txtlnkusaolp00000592


Title: Re: William's Psychology
Post by: india on December 08, 2013, 01:17:05 pm
Well, he's certainly got one.


Title: Re: William's Psychology
Post by: Kuei Fei on June 26, 2014, 12:03:10 am
William is broken mentally; he got caught up with Kate, broken mentally, and now they're pretty much kept in a vicious cycle. She's exploiting him and at this point in time, I believe that he's at a point where there's really nothing that can realistically be done.


Title: Re: William's Psychology
Post by: cate1949 on June 26, 2014, 12:08:46 am
mentally unstable - psychopath - uh - has it occurred to anyone that maybe we are taking this a bit far - we really do not know the details of all this - yet we can now diagnose Will as a certifiable nutcase?


Title: Re: William's Psychology
Post by: YooperModerator on June 26, 2014, 12:17:47 am
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Title: Re: William's Psychology
Post by: Rosella on June 26, 2014, 04:44:52 am
I don't believe that William is mentally unstable. I do think though that he is desperately trying to stave off the day when he will be Prince of Wales and then King. William said years ago that he tried not to think about his future, his royal destiny. He may very well feel depressed when he contemplates what's to come. As a teenager he fought against it. He is, IMO, now resigned but reluctant and probably prays that his grandmother will live till she's 103!


Title: Re: William's Psychology
Post by: lothwen on June 26, 2014, 04:48:13 am
mentally unstable - psychopath - uh - has it occurred to anyone that maybe we are taking this a bit far - we really do not know the details of all this - yet we can now diagnose Will as a certifiable nutcase?

I agree. Unless anyone here has actually treated William, no one can say for certain if he has any issues.  We can speculate, but that's it.


Title: Re: William's Psychology
Post by: Mandosiel on June 26, 2014, 04:53:00 am
^^If he's so against it then step aside for godsake, he acts like Harry isn't even an option and it's all up to him. Self-involved much, bloody drama queen. I don't think he's lost his mind, he's just weak-willed and lazy. Even he's said it in an interview that his Dad has told him he's the laziest person he knows.


Title: Re: William's Psychology
Post by: cate1949 on June 26, 2014, 07:19:02 am
I suspect there is a fear his stepping aside would cause a constitutional crisis.


Title: Re: William's Psychology
Post by: Countess of Holland on June 26, 2014, 07:25:02 am
I think all monarchs and heirs of monarchs have had trouble with their destination at some point. Some have been vocal about it; Queen Margrethe, Queen (now Princess) Beatrix, King Willem-Alexander, King Albert of Belgium.

But at some point, all of them made peace with it and started seeing the positive side of things as well. The ability to travel a lot, to meet many people from all walks of life, to warn for certain aspects of life (both Margrethe and Beatrix f.e. have warned for a growing intolerance towards others in their Christmas speeches) etc.
The Dutch King came to peace with his destiny when he was at university, so in his early 20's. As did Crown Prince Frederik of Denmark according to his own account.

Why is it taking William to long to go through that same process? William reminds me of men and women I know who have problems saying goodbye to their childhood and worry-free college-years. They are trying to ignore reality and stubbornly maintain their old ways. William needs to grow up (at last) and start taking responsibility for his own actions and his own life instead of moaning and whining about what a bad hand of cards he was dealt. He needs to get out there and see how good he has it. And yes, he had set-backs...welcome to life dude!


Title: Re: William's Psychology
Post by: Rosella on June 26, 2014, 09:45:37 am
William may have inherited from Charles a bit of a tendency towards gloom, towards hand-wringing and self-pity, without his father's intellectual interests or work ethic.
 I have to confess that as a long-time royal watcher (and I'm talking decades) William's personality has become more puzzling to me as he has matured.

I've come to the conclusion that the Queen's longevity has not helped William. Being the heir to the heir has just left him with a lot of time to dither without doing much, at least in the last couple of years.


Title: Re: William's Psychology
Post by: YooperModerator on June 26, 2014, 02:18:25 pm
^That's a reallllly good point.  Too many people have been on the front lines instead of PW and not really holding his feet to the fire for anything so who wouldn't be lazy and disinterested?  Somebody with a true work ethic would but that's not the case here.  All of his weaknesses have been promoted for far too long.


Title: Re: William's Psychology
Post by: cate1949 on June 26, 2014, 06:22:23 pm
good point Rosella - a guy like Will needs to work and keep focused otherwise he drifts into self  indulgence and doubt


Title: Re: William's Psychology
Post by: sandy on June 26, 2014, 09:38:16 pm
When he went to Uni, Charles should not have had him cocooned. WIlliam should have been required to work and I mean really work on a charity--and actually have to help maintain it, helped with the financial work and been required to write up a report and spend a certain amount of time on it and show results.  Many Uni students have internships in addition to their work.  He is not proactive now and if he had had a push and encouragement he might have developed some work ethic.


Title: Re: William's Psychology
Post by: Kuei Fei on June 26, 2014, 10:04:41 pm
Thing is, that William's brain somehow got broken to the point where he is now a broken record. He keeps going on and on and on about normalcy, time off, gap year, explore his options, when the reality is, that he threw that chance away a long time ago. He never should have been treated as a typical upper class chap and he never should have been allowed to cohabit and have people live with him and never should have been allowed to let them use his protection officers. He should have understood that he was at uni to be a student, not live apart and he should have lived alone or with a male friend, not a set of females as well. Then Kate got her nails into him and kept him in 'normal man' 'self pity' mode.

Pity his concept of normalcy didn't extend to being career oriented. If he had been required to sit in on parliamentary settings, I am certain he would have ended up in a healthier mindset and psychologically ready for his role as future sovereign. Certainly I believe that he had no business being in perpetual avoidance mode and running around like a brainless frat boy; he really squandered his chances to make an academic mark. As for his mental state, he has no sense of who he really is at all. If he looked at himself the way that others do, he would have had more self respect.


Title: Re: William's Psychology
Post by: sandy on June 27, 2014, 12:34:32 am
The thing is William is deluded in idea of what is "normal." Normal men don't act like Peter Pans and think well I'd like to fly copters and quit the day job and start learning to fly copters then the following day decide maybe farming will be fun.  Normal men also don't have royal titles, several large homes whose upkeep are on the taxpayers, take lavish vacations whenever they please. Kate's fantasy about being a housewife and doing everything herself is just that a fantasy. Women today have careers and yes do have help and that does not make them terrible. They also have childcare and the children grow up just fine. Even if they are stay at home moms they do get help also and have help with the house.  And the reality is the Cambridges have tons of help.


Title: Re: William's Psychology
Post by: Mandosiel on June 27, 2014, 12:36:54 am
They're living in La-la Land on public dime. Plain and simple.


Title: Re: William's Psychology
Post by: Countess of Holland on June 27, 2014, 08:50:04 am
^^The problem with William is, is that he thinks that the life his trust-fund buddies have is 'normal'. And they can change career overnight because they have money in the bank anyway. It is just sad that the lessons his mother wanted to give him, that his life isn't normal and that there are many who have to do with less, were cut short by her death. And then taken over by a self-indulgent, self-centered man like Charles.

Charles didn't care about the upbringing of his sons. He left that to the nannies, the Headmaster at Eton etc. He was busy getting his mistress accepted.


Title: Re: William's Psychology
Post by: Stephanie on June 27, 2014, 10:19:41 am

It is HIS responsibility to better the existence of the public and not the responsibility of the PUBLIC to better Wimpo's existence.


Title: Re: William's Psychology
Post by: Mandosiel on June 29, 2014, 06:58:27 pm
http://lovelolaheart.com/?p=1600#comments (http://lovelolaheart.com/?p=1600#comments)

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I said it before, but it’s always worth repeating: William is trapped in a limbo of his own making, the want of the perks of royalty (the glamour, the vacations, the money) but without the responsibilities that come with it. And he’s somewhere in between of a royal and a d-listed celeb. Now that you mentioned Diana, it’s worth nothing that behind Harry’s back, she used to called him GKH, for Good King Harry and that William once shouted out “I will walk out and never come back.”

I find this to be truly interesting, the article in itself is wonderful but this I find quite striking. We all William is immature and selfish just like his wife and would sooner see the monarchy fall than take the helm of it. But what if subconsciously he's doing this because his mother thought Harry would be a better king than William, and William couldn't stand it. In his selfish childish mentally he would sooner break the monarchy, like a jealous sibling breaks a toy and honestly that's what he seems to think it is, than let Harry have it, because that would mean his mother was right. We know that growing up they were very competitive with each other and remain so to this day.

Harry was always better at sports which it has gone on record as William being jealous of that, they were always vying go their mothers attention. I saw it on a documentary once and Will try to find it again although I don't know how successful I will be, if anyone remembers watching the same one please hell out. But it must truly be galling to have your mother (and she even said she thought Harry would be a better King) think that your little brother would be a better king than he was since it was his position by right of birth. He's a spoiled brat and always has been and frankly this rather makes sense to me as far as his warped psychology goes. Another part of me Diana might have had a premonition of what was to come, call it mothers instinct or what have you, she was always intuitive. In the end I think we will get a Good King Harry, I don't know when or how but something makes me feel that what she said will come true.


Title: Re: William's Psychology
Post by: Emperor on June 29, 2014, 08:47:26 pm
^ Harry the mysterious prince is the documentary you are talking about, me thinks :flower:


Title: Re: William's Psychology
Post by: Mandosiel on June 29, 2014, 08:50:26 pm
Yes!!!  :thankyou:


Title: Re: William's Psychology
Post by: Kuei Fei on June 29, 2014, 09:49:13 pm
I wonder what happened that turned him into such a mess.


Title: Re: William's Psychology
Post by: cate1949 on June 29, 2014, 10:02:05 pm
^what happened?  crying mother whom he had to comfort, fighting screaming matches between parents, absent parents,  family's breakdown splashed all over the tabloids and the topic of discussion everywhere while he was a teen - nothing like getting up in the morning to find that your father has made the famous comment re wanting to be Camilla trousers or that his mother is admitting to multiple affairs and then having to face all the other boys at school.  Then mother is splashed all over the world's papers kissing her new arab BF and then she gets killed in a frenzy of paparazzi hysteria.  Then he has to grieve in front of the nation.  Then his father marries his mistress - but first she moves in with them. 

Recall - Will's headmaster insisted that Diana tell Will she was going to do the panorama interview - she reluctantly agrees - tells Will at school - observors report Will tearfully begging her not to do the interview.  He watched the interview at school with his headmaster - saw his mother say his father was not fit to be King.  Saw his mother admit to affairs.  On national TV.  Geez.  He did not have such an easy row to hoe as a kid.

 


Title: Re: William's Psychology
Post by: Rosella on June 29, 2014, 10:39:04 pm
^^ Later on William may also have had to deal with some guilt. There are stories of him starting to challenge his mother, notably about her sudden cutting-off of very old friends and her developing relationship with Dodi El Fayed. Both her sons seem to have had a sort of contempt for him. Harry called him 'sister' behind his back, for some obscure reason. That is why I never thought Diana meant anything serious with Dodi. She would never have married someone her sons weren't fond of.

On the last summer of Diana's life there are reports of a stormy quarrel or two with William which made her upset, also a phone call. Of course, William was only a young teenager trying to get things clear in his own mind, and never dreamed that he soon would lose his mother. Nevertheless, looking back in the months and years afterwards, there might be deep regrets and some remorse on his part.


Title: Re: William's Psychology
Post by: sandy on June 30, 2014, 01:08:32 am
I think it was spun that the boys did not like Dodi. They did invite Dodi's half sister Camilla Fayed to the Diana Memorial Service in 2007.

There were some blatant lies in the spin. I watched a documentary which clearly was by a Charles sympathizer. He claimed that the boys left the yacht trip early because they disliked it and they went to Papa. That was so not true. Because Diana and Charles had pre-allocated the time they would have with the boys that Summer. Diana had the time allotted with the boys and was considering various options until Al Fayed (a family friend of the Spencers) suggested the yacht trip. The boys by all indications clearly enjoyed the trip--if they were unhappy they certainly did a bad imitation of it. Then after that trip it was Charles turn (preordained) to be with the boys at Balmoral.  

Diana had loyal friends that she stayed with (Caroline Bartholomew, Elsa Bowker, Rosa Monckton among others). The ones she broke off with were her and Charles friends (and they provided safe houses for C and C). I never read that William called her out on that.

WIlliam showed his brat tendencies at times for years before Diana died. There was an occasion where he decided he'd invite Tiggy Legge Bourke at an Eton parents day and did not invite his parents. Diana had already prepared a lunch and he told her not to come at the last minute. Charles also was barred. Diana shared the lunch with Harry instead. I think William's bratty attitude remains today and he seems spoiled and "precious."

I don't think Diana would have married Dodi. But that said if she had found Mr Right, she would not let Will's attitude keep her from marrying again. He let Camilla into his life quickly enough and he'd be a huge hypocrite if he didn't "allow" Diana to marry. With his father it was his way or the highway and if William did not like Camilla, so what?


Title: Re: William's Psychology
Post by: sandy on June 30, 2014, 01:16:53 am
^what happened?  crying mother whom he had to comfort, fighting screaming matches between parents, absent parents,  family's breakdown splashed all over the tabloids and the topic of discussion everywhere while he was a teen - nothing like getting up in the morning to find that your father has made the famous comment re wanting to be Camilla trousers or that his mother is admitting to multiple affairs and then having to face all the other boys at school.  Then mother is splashed all over the world's papers kissing her new arab BF and then she gets killed in a frenzy of paparazzi hysteria.  Then he has to grieve in front of the nation.  Then his father marries his mistress - but first she moves in with them.  

Recall - Will's headmaster insisted that Diana tell Will she was going to do the panorama interview - she reluctantly agrees - tells Will at school - observors report Will tearfully begging her not to do the interview.  He watched the interview at school with his headmaster - saw his mother say his father was not fit to be King.  Saw his mother admit to affairs.  On national TV.  Geez.  He did not have such an easy row to hoe as a kid.

  

Diana never said Charles was not fit to be King. She said that he'd feel limitations by the "top job." Charles in other words could not express himself (or is not supposed to) on various issues when he gets to be King. He has more freedom now that he's Prince of Wales.

I never read about William "tearfully" telling Diana not to do it. It sounds like Penny Junor's fantasies. Nobody knew what was said since Diana and William had a Private Meeting. William will never say what went on and Diana is in her grave and can't tell about it. I think the Observers were made up by Penny Junor.

Charles did say publicly that he cheated on Diana and he also told his biographer that he didn't love the boys mother in effect making Diana seem like a rent a womb to have heirs. How come there are not stories about William bawling over that?

But all of this said. At a certain point William can't blame his shortcomings on his parents. He can't make excuses for his own shortcomings on his parents. Charles did the same thing, blaming mom and dad (via the Dimbleby book). Peter Pan needs to grow up-he's a husband and father and 32.

William needs to get his act together. It's a cop out to blame mom and dad and another excuse. So will it be a vicious circle and George will grumble about how he was brought up too. Probably.

William seems to have gotten a huge sense of entitlement, feels he should not work, and spends other people's money on his housing and pleasures.  Maybe he'll have a sort of Louis XIV type court when he's King.


Title: Re: William's Psychology
Post by: cate1949 on June 30, 2014, 02:17:48 am
not a Penny Junor fantasy - it was reported by a number of observors - it was clear the people at Eton were not so happy with Diana about this particular event .  And Diana was very clear she though PC should be passed over for William. 

Charles was wrong but also  the panorama interview should never have been done - her best defense was her silence retaining her dignity.  PC should have never done his interview either - they both acted like self indulged tit for tat brats and did not think how their young sons were going to handle these public revelations.   

Yes I do agree with you - he is an adult now and cannot continue to blame his parents - but KF was asking what happened - I answered.  And it is not so easy to get over problems that stem from childhood - I suspect his attitude towards the press, his anger when Kate is criticized, his desire for privacy and some element of normalcy in his and especially George's life  all stem back to those experiences.  I think that is understandable.

Whatever his private demons are - he still has responsibilities and the public has expectations that he and Kate will work - his difficulties in his childhood do not excuse him from those responsibilities. But we can have some empathy for him. IMHO of course.


Title: Re: William's Psychology
Post by: sandy on June 30, 2014, 03:04:36 am
It was hearsay. Since Diana never reported it and William said nothing. It is speculation. There were no "intimate" details of the private conversation between William and Diana. So there is no way of knowing if William "Cried." What was said was that Diana was urged to speak to him at school. What transpired between Diana and William is subject to speculation--their phone conversations were never recorded and she would not speak to William in front of "observers." And I credit the school employees not to put their ears against the door and listen in.

There are many things that could have affected William. It could also be a result of the trauma of having the accident where he was hit with a golf club. But it's all speculation.

There were positive things in William's life too. He was cherished by his parents.

the trouble is the Windsor men (or some) feel above getting any sort of counseling.

As I said though WIlliam is a grown man and now is responsible for his own actions.

Many people have had bad things happened in fact perhaps all people have. But William may just be milking this for all it's worth and be calculating and manipulative.


Title: Re: William's Psychology
Post by: CarryingOn on June 30, 2014, 07:33:01 am
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Recall - Will's headmaster insisted that Diana tell Will she was going to do the panorama interview - she reluctantly agrees - tells Will at school - observors report Will tearfully begging her not to do the interview.  He watched the interview at school with his headmaster - saw his mother say his father was not fit to be King.  Saw his mother admit to affairs.  On national TV.  Geez.  He did not have such an easy row to hoe as a kid.

Please, spell out to me, how any of these "observers" ever managed to become privy to William and Diana's moment(s) together, that I'm sure was private and not done in some hallway where anyone could hear, that they themselves have never spoken about publicly, and that no one else would every be privy to unless they bugged the room.

There's absolutely nothing to support the statements that Harry and William disliked Dodi or ever made fun of him or disrespected him.

I really don't care about what happened in William's childhood anymore. I never like to invalidate what someone goes through but it's just the truth that children, younger than he was, have gone through a hellavu lot more than he has, and made it to the other side.

As far as Diana thinking Harry to be a great King, well quite frankly she was just brighter than some would like to give her credit for. Maybe a lot of you when you were younger, like me, used to always hear adults spouting off that you can be whatever you want to be. I still believe in that to an extent. But the older I've gotten, I've come to see that some people don't always have what it takes to hack it at certain jobs and/or uphold certain positions. Many people think that's a bad thing but it's not. William has never shown he has what it takes to be King. Not when he was a kid, not when he was a teen, not when he was a young man, and certainly not now that he's a full grown 32 year old man! He shows no motivation or excitement for anything but a free spade. It's actually nice when you see some parents call a spade a spade instead of pretending that they're kid is so great at such and such when they're not, instead of finding something that plays to the strength of their child.

At the end of the day, William is just a spoiled brat, even before his mother died, and even before any of the crazy media stuff that went on between her and Charles. I think a lot of people spoiled William, the majority of people around him didn't try to instill anything worthwhile into him, have never made him accountable for his actions and STILL don't hold him accountable, and built him up/liked him/kissed his a## just because he would one day inherit the throne. That coupled with his natural bratty/jerk attitude, did him no favors.

I think St. Andrews was his down fall because, due to all of the things above, he wasn't prepared for the real world of college and university. As much as a lot of us say that Charles made a mistake when he told William he should stay when William wanted to come home but I look back and I have to take back my agreement. Most parents would not tell their children to come back home. They would tell them to stick it out and see if things get better, and for most of us it does as long as we put on the right attitude and make things happen for ourselves. Life is always what you make of it but

1) William didn't make anything of it and William doesn't know how to make things happen for himself, or at least doesn't want to.

2) He doesn't know how to and can't cope in the real world, where people won't do everything for you, they don't have the time to coddle you constantly, they're not going to kiss your a##, and they're not going to hand you the world on a silver platter.

So he cocooned himself and built a mini version of his life back at home with the same friends and of course Kate and her odious family because they're loyal a## kissers who are always waiting in the wings as long as he has something to offer them. People talk about how Carole earned his trust or loyalty or whatever over those stupid cocoa chats, but you have to wonder who else William has ever opened up to you. People always say closed mouths don't get fed. I'd bet a good deal of money that she was the one leading the convo to weasel info out of him, whatever that may have been, and obviously for the wrong reasons, which is the only reason she was "interested". But people don't have ESP. No one can tell what you're thinking and feeling just by looking at you, always. If you don't open your mouth then you can't be helped. If you don't go out there and get involved in activities and meet people, then you're going to stay lonely. No one's going to bust down your dorm room door with a sledge hammer and drag you out. I think William always wants people to come to him and nobody has time for all of that.


Title: Re: William's Psychology
Post by: Rosella on June 30, 2014, 11:46:12 am
I suppose, CarryingOn, we all base our conclusions on various royals on what we read in magazines, biographies, newspapers, or watch in documentaries. Sometimes observers, like the Highgrove housekeeper, do report, whether completely accurately or not, what they have seen or heard.

I got my information about Harry's dislike for Dodi from Chris Hutchins' biography on Harry, 'Harry, the People's Prince' which also stated that a Royal Protection Officer had seen Harry give young Omar El Fayed a good hiding. You yourself express the belief that William was a spoiled brat in  childhood. You are entitled to that belief, of course, and no doubt it came from reading a magazine or book on the subject of William's younger years, unless of course, you knew Prince William as a child, in which case you would have inside knowledge.

I do believe that Prince William was affected by his mother's death. I lost my own mother at eleven and I know it felt.
I am sure you will agree that on this Forum we are all (you, me, everyone) entitled to our beliefs!


Title: Re: William's Psychology
Post by: Freya on June 30, 2014, 12:47:09 pm
I read somewhere that William was not happy about his mother's relationship with Dodi especially the fact that Dodi was a drug taker.

The public break up of Charles and Diana and the death of Diana is bound to have an effect. Some people are able to turn adversity into something positive.

William has been petulant from an early age. He has had a dislike of the press well before Diana's death. I can remember reading about Bob Geldof visiting Prince Charles and William being rude to him. He also never responded to Pink after asking her to perform at a party.

http://www.irishcentral.com/culture/entertainment/new-biography-reveals-what-a-handful-prince-william-could-be-called-bob-geldof-dirty-151015465-237446821.html


Title: Re: William's Psychology
Post by: sandy on June 30, 2014, 02:19:01 pm
The thing is all this is hearsay. William and Harry never publicly commented on Dodi. It is a moot point now since Diana died.

The fact is that William and Harry did invite Camilla Al Fayed, Dodi's half sister to their mother's memorial. So the acrimony could not have been that bad.

Chris Hutchins a gossipy author. Some come up with the hearsay that cannot be proven nor disproven.

The boys unless they were great actors appeared in the photos to have enjoyed the trip on the Jonikal. 



Title: Re: William's Psychology
Post by: Rosella on June 30, 2014, 02:36:11 pm
We are on a gossip forum though Sandy , are we not? Sometimes what Katie Nicholls, Penny Junor and others have written about the royals  are discussed here. Hitchens is no more gossipy a writer than they are! If we confined ourselves on this forum to everything we knew for a fact was 100 percent correct in every way there would be about three threads!  :flower:


Title: Re: William's Psychology
Post by: sandy on June 30, 2014, 02:47:07 pm
Chris Hutchins is noted as a gossip writer. Sometimes it is "hit" or "miss" like the National Enquirer whose writers write sensational stories but only in a blue moon do they get it right (e.g. the John Edwards case). He said she said is not really something to rely on. Although this is a gossip site there are some sources referred to that should not be taken as "fact." For example, Christopher Andersen repeats "conversations" between Charles and Camilla verbatim (and he would have no way of knowing about these private conversations). And some like Penny Junor have axes to grind.

I would go by facts and one I mentioned is that Camilla Fayed was invited by the boys to Diana's Memorial Service. So the acrimony may have been exaggerated or made up by these writers.

The fact remains that William and Harry never commented publicly about the Fayeds or Dodi. How they "felt" about Dodi allegedly is really irrelevant since he and Diana are dead and the idea of Dodi as a stepfather never came up.

It is hard to believe that Diana would have had her "private" talk with William in front of the school's employees.  

It could be that despite all the analysis of how "poor" William was so affected by all this he is lazy and self entitled. The thing is William and William alone is responsible for his own actions and could indeed be manipulative and sneaky and hedonistic  by nature. Many young people have it a lot worse growing up and turn out a whole lot better than William.


Title: Re: William's Psychology
Post by: Rosella on June 30, 2014, 03:12:21 pm
True enough. However, William and Harry were said to get on with Camilla El Fayed and her older sister. This may not necessarily be true of their relationship with Dodi, or with his half brother Omar, who was not invited to Diana's Memorial Service. I guess until official biographies are written by 'serious' and credible authors late in the Princes' lives we have to take what we can get from these books and sort the wheat from the chaff as best we can.

William, unlike Harry, is not a favourite of mine. However, I do tend to think that both were affected by media gossip about the War of the Wales's, about both parents affairs, and by Diana's death with the huge media spotlight, and the older boy was affected perhaps more than the younger. William did not always get on with Diana. There was the incident when he did not invite her to Founders Day (open day) at Eton, upsetting her.


Title: Re: William's Psychology
Post by: sandy on June 30, 2014, 03:23:15 pm
Parents and children don't always "get on."  Teenagers can be at a rebellious stage with their parents but it does not mean they are "enemies."

To be fair, WIlliam did not invite either parent to Parents Day--Diana was not singled out. It is a reflection on him not Diana and Charles that he acted like a brat that day.

If he disapproved of his mother and did not apply the same "moral" standards to Charles then he was and is a huge hypocrite.

William and Harry spent very little time with Dodi--they had the allotted time for vacation with their mother and then their father spent the allotted vacation time with them.





Title: Re: William's Psychology
Post by: YooperModerator on June 30, 2014, 03:31:00 pm
PW was a teenager.  Disdain is their ruling emotion.


Title: Re: William's Psychology
Post by: Rosella on June 30, 2014, 03:43:16 pm
No, I don't think at all that William regarded Diana as an 'enemy'. He loved his mother and she him.

Tina Brown in 'The Diana Chronicles' has written of William's concerns about Dodi's drug use, about William feeling being 'on show' to the pack of media people following the yacht on their holiday, which brought Diana out to shout at them all to give them privacy, and records an upsetting phone call between mother and son on another occasion.

William may have craved privacy and thought Balmoral better provided it. Really, the boarding schools' headmasters and housemasters were the boys' primary care givers, weren't they? They only saw their parents for a few weeks each year.


Title: Re: William's Psychology
Post by: sandy on June 30, 2014, 09:03:32 pm
I take Tina Brown with a grain of salt. She's a cut above Chris Hutchins but I was put off by her saying Diana was her "friend" based on one lunch. Diana was not around of course to refute this 'friendship'.

I don't believe Dodi was taking drugs when dating Diana. I doubt Diana would have spent any time with him had he been doing drugs. She was health oriented herself and did not go in for substance abuse and I doubt she'd want him around the boys. It will never be known if the relationship would have gone anywhere. I don't think she'd want him near William and Harry.  Charles played happy family act with Camilla and her kids and when he found out Tom was a drug user Charles did not let William around him (as long as Tom did drugs). I think the same would have gone for Diana.

There is no recording of any phone call between Diana and William. it is all hearsay. Nothing  concrete every materialized about their having a conversation. Will will never tell and Diana is dead.

William and Harry as I said shared their vacation time with Diana and Charles in 1997. WIlliam and Harry did not "escape" the Yacht for Balmoral. This is all on record. They were spending their pre-arranged time between their parents. From the videos and photos, William seemed to be happy and having a good time.

The boarding school headmasters and housemasters would not have been an "audience" to Diana and William's private conversations. The boys "care givers" were their parents.


Title: Re: William's Psychology
Post by: Kuei Fei on June 30, 2014, 09:29:26 pm
William just needs to get over himself. He needs to get over the fact that what happened, happened. He needs to own up to the fact that his mother is gone and it's not (and wasn't) his responsibility to save her from herself. It isn't his fault that Diana died, but it's not the fault of the press, or of the people who are currently involved in the media today. He needs to won up to his choices (and mistakes) and move on in life.


Title: Re: William's Psychology
Post by: CarryingOn on June 30, 2014, 10:55:22 pm
He's just a spoiled brat that doesn't want to do anything. I don't think William's childhood has anything to do with it. He just wants to live a life of leisure without any of the hard work. Oh well.


Title: Re: William's Psychology
Post by: cate1949 on June 30, 2014, 11:20:37 pm
Who we are today is largely a function of how our childhood experiences shaped us.  That is not something you just "get over".  It is wired into your very brain.

I suspect that Will feels antagonistic towards the press and the public for what he sees as their hounding of his mother.  And he transfers that to his experiences with Kate and the public now.  So a pic of Kate's bum being published is mixed up with the hounding his mother experienced.  Criticisms of Kate are mixed in with criticism of his mother.  He feels then angry with the press and the public, he feels protective towards Kate. 

Diana was clearly always looking for an experience of a warm loving family - her friendship with that older woman Lucia is an example.  We can understand that desire on the part of Diana but we dismiss it in Will.  How fair is that?  Carol is said to have a deep admiration for Diana - maybe that is what attracts Will to her.  He sure is not going to find deep admiration for his mother among the Windsor clan.

I just do not understand how one can admire Diana so much and then have no compassion for her son.



Title: Re: William's Psychology
Post by: Mandosiel on June 30, 2014, 11:30:50 pm
I saw a headline on Globe Magazine but didn't stop to read it of Charles telling William he's too stupid to be king. Granted it's the Globe and I wish I'd stopped to read it just out of morbid curiosity but I will go down with that ship. He's just too stupid to be king. I might not like Camilla all that much or Charles for various reasons but I would sooner bend my knees in a curtsy to them in deference than I would to William or Kate, stiffest neck and unbending knees on the block for Wimpo and Wasteful.

^Because her son wasted the compassion that people gave him. Should we have compassion for him to continuing a ridiculous relationship and now marriage with an obvious social climber and sponger, or compassion for the fact that he refuses to grow up and continues to push aside his role and duties within the monarchy but of course not the benefits, or compassion for him being so odiously indulgent as to allow his useless work-shy wife to blow a budget completely out of proportion on not one but 3 kitchens, wether payed by them or public I don't care. Why should I waste my compassion for someone who shows none back?


Title: Re: William's Psychology
Post by: sandy on June 30, 2014, 11:51:01 pm
There was a lot of compassion for William. He was "Diana's son" and her legacy. And also a future King. He last showed his "giving" side when he went on the gap year to Chile. But once he went to St. Andrews he seemed to change. And it's gone downhill since.

William is not only showing contempt for the press but for the public by acting like he's "normal" but grabbing the perks and avoiding royal duties.  It is patronizing to the average member of the public for him to play normal knowing he and his spouse live the life Marie Antoinette would have been envious of.

Diana would have been horrified at his current lifestyle.



Title: Re: William's Psychology
Post by: Rosella on July 01, 2014, 12:05:03 am
We are just going to have to agree to disagree on these authors, Sandy. I really didn't say that the boys 'escaped' the yacht for Balmoral, just that William may have felt Balmoral offered more privacy. Diana did go and yell at the media following the yacht about leaving them alone. It was documented at the time.

I know that the school holidays of approximately six weeks a year was shared between Diana and Charles. The rest of the year the princes were at boarding school and were in the care day by day of housemasters and their wives, matron etc. who acted in loco parentis.

I know that most of the time people around royals do keep their mouths shut but there wasn't and isn't a 'cone of silence' operating, and sometimes things get out. This would be especially true in the closed atmosphere of a school.


Title: Re: William's Psychology
Post by: sandy on July 01, 2014, 01:09:43 am
I think what counted for William was that he would spend the Summer with both his parents. Different times, but he had an opportunity to spend time with each and experience two different things. WIlliam has access to Balmoral today--but he and Kate seem to prefer those expensive vacations on island resorts (expensive island resorts). If Balmoral was so "ideal" he and Kate would not have taken the lavish vacations (and yes they were photographed on yachts). I think what mattered to him that Summer was the quality time he had with his parents.  Diana has been dead for years and there has been unpleasantness with the press for WIlliam since then.

William still looked happy going around on the jetskis and swimming.  I don't buy that he had a "miserable time."
 
There were films taken of William and Harry and Charles at Balmoral that Summer so he was not exactly cocooned.

I still cannot imagine that Diana and William would have a private conversation in front of school employees. It was not a play for entertainment. They had a serious discussion. I don't believe the he said she said which has no concrete basis as fact. If indeed it could be "heard" would not a few come forward with the same story? I really doubt the two played a drama for the "entertainment" of the school staff. Let's give Diana and William some credit please. William would hardly boo hoo in front of people that way.


Title: Re: William's Psychology
Post by: Rosella on July 01, 2014, 01:42:57 am
No, I don't think Diana and her sons had private conversations in front of people at Eton or Ludgrove. As I've said I am a Diana fan but I do think that at times she confided in people who turned out to not be so trustworthy, ie people like Paul Burrell, various healers, physics etc., who later betrayed her. William too was only fourteen at the time of some of these happenings. He was fifteen that June.

William has tested his friends' trustworthiness as we know, but this may not necessarily have been in operation in his early teens. I don't mean that I believe that he went around blabbing to all and sundry about his mother's conversations but he may have confided in a very close schoolfriend, who out of concern for his friend could have mentioned it to his parents in the holidays.

A housemaster and his wife might have discussed William on occasion after a chat with William, and unknowingly titbits came out later to friends or relatives. A friend of mine once worked in a boarding school and she was always amazed at the way quite private stuff got around, almost by osmosis!

William learned fishing and shooting at Balmoral, country hobbies. He has kept up with shooting and used to hunt. I'm not suggesting he doesn't enjoy sunny holidays, but Kate doesn't seem to care for Balmoral very much. She prefers holidays in the sun with her family. William enjoys the Middleton's' company too. That doesn't mean that he doesn't like Balmoral or didn't enjoy its freedoms as a teenager. Didn't Diana complain about her sons enjoying shooting and 'killing things'?


Title: Re: William's Psychology
Post by: sandy on July 01, 2014, 02:08:03 am
Well for that matter so did Charles. Discussing his marital issues with Camilla was a big mistake.  By "helping" the Prince she helped herself and got almost everything Diana had. And he was and is surrounded by sycophants who trash and trashed Diana even after she died. And some of his advisers aided and abetted his unfortunate Confess All interview with Dimbleby. Charles also had a lot of gurus that he turned to--one of them encouraged him to play at being a farmer.

Again, William telling a friend who told a friend is hearsay.  I never read about a "friend" saying that WIlliam was weeping and wailing at School to his mother.

I don't think William is a big Balmoral fan--maybe he likes hunting but he and Harry took that weekend in Spain to shoot animals. They can go other places than Balmoral to shoot animals.

Diana did not stop them from "killing things."  Diana never prevented them from going shooting  on their holidays and was respectful of the arrangement she had with Charles to share time with the boys. And unless someone is a truly dedicated hunter, most young men vary their "fun" activities. I think it was good the boys had a balance of activities and they liked going to water parks with their mother and their friends.

William and Kate mostly go out on the water to sunny places.


Title: Re: William's Psychology
Post by: Rosella on July 01, 2014, 02:38:20 am
Yes, Charles had his gurus etc too.

I'm not saying that William was 'weeping and wailing' at school. I was just suggesting some ways in which news of William's reaction to his mother's Panorama interview etc could have got out to others. As I've said before, much of what we discuss here is hearsay. Otherwise we'd be reliant on what William and Harry and other royals have said in interviews and only that, as far as their viewpoints are concerned.

I have agreed that William likes sunny holidays. So does Kate, so does her family.

William also likes country pursuits. I doubt very much if anyone would have known about his fondness for beagling when he was at Sandhurst if it hadn't been for the hacking scandal. I didn't say Diana stopped them from 'killing things' though I don't think she liked it very much. That was a remark to a friend of hers. I'm not saying either that William confines his shooting to Balmoral, merely that he learned about country pursuits there, and at Sandringham and at Highgrove.


Title: Re: William's Psychology
Post by: sandy on July 01, 2014, 03:47:53 am
I would say in general William and Harry probably would have preferred that their parents have stayed together and all the complications of the separation and divorce had not happened.  That said. They probably knew other people their age whose parents had broken up. I also don't think that the only thing William minded was the Panorama Interview. I suspect he did not like the Dimbleby interview nor Charles telling Dimbleby that he felt "forced" to marry their mother. I think they would have liked an uncomplicated scenario as they grew up.

William and Harry were not the only ones who experienced this. Their first cousins: Zara and Peter had parents who divorced plus their father had a child with someone other than their mother (during Mark Phillips marriage to Princess Anne); and Bea and Eugenie had embarrassing situations involving their mother getting caught topless by the paparazzi and in the company of one of her lovers. So perhaps misery loves company and they confided in their cousins.

Diana did make it known she did not like hunting but certainly could not stop her sons following this royal tradition.



Title: Re: William's Psychology
Post by: CarryingOn on July 01, 2014, 04:12:56 am
Who we are today is largely a function of how our childhood experiences shaped us.  That is not something you just "get over".  It is wired into your very brain.

I suspect that Will feels antagonistic towards the press and the public for what he sees as their hounding of his mother.  And he transfers that to his experiences with Kate and the public now.  So a pic of Kate's bum being published is mixed up with the hounding his mother experienced.  Criticisms of Kate are mixed in with criticism of his mother.  He feels then angry with the press and the public, he feels protective towards Kate.  

Diana was clearly always looking for an experience of a warm loving family - her friendship with that older woman Lucia is an example.  We can understand that desire on the part of Diana but we dismiss it in Will.  How fair is that?  Carol is said to have a deep admiration for Diana - maybe that is what attracts Will to her.  He sure is not going to find deep admiration for his mother among the Windsor clan.

I just do not understand how one can admire Diana so much and then have no compassion for her son.

1. It's not a question of compassion at all! And FYI, having love for one person, does not mean you have to love, like, or care for their kid. It's not like any of us were or are up for being her potential martial or spiritual after death partner. But for the record, after Diana died and many years afterward, people were falling over themselves left and right to give him compassion, understanding, well wishes, love, and adoration.

2. No one dismisses William's want of a warm loving family. That's complete nonsense! What people are not going to do though, is excuse William's poor behavior, poor choice in a wife and the odious family she comes to attached to, and constant dodging of full time royal duties. These are two separate entities.

3. You're not asking for compassion, you're asking for everyone to continuously feel sorry for a grown man who has every resource at his fingertips to receive help dealing with his residual feelings and problems. We all go through sh!t in life. William is not the first, certainly not the last person and many others have gone through worse. The question is, and will always be, are you going to jump over the hurdles or fall to the wayside. Life waits for no man and no one can help you if you don't help yourself. If you're going to fall to the wayside and not even try, then far be it from any of us to stop you, but don't expect the rest of us to put our lives on hold until you get yourself together. The real world doesn't work that way. William has displayed no sign of trying to help himself, at all. Let's not ignore the reality of the situation. The fact is that William's entire existence relies on the public and the media. If his contempt is always going to be there, then he should step aside, because no one has time to put up with anyone else's life long self pity party. He is perfectly entitled to keep on that way, but he is certainly not entitled or excused to continue publicly expressing his contempt for the public who financially supports him, the media who keeps him relevant.


Title: Re: William's Psychology
Post by: Kuei Fei on July 01, 2014, 04:40:53 am
Amen!

Unlike most kids, William had the ability to pick up stakes and move into a new home, mansion, palace, castle, and be safe and comfortable and looked after. By eighteen if he didn't like his life he could have left Clarence House, picked up stakes, moved to KP or to St. James, or to Buckingham Palace, and then lived a very happy life with his brother or on his own. He never had people rejecting him and never really had people say "no, I can't take you in" and always had food on his table and able to go to a nice school and enjoy all the opportunities to do what he wanted, when he wanted.

So spare me the "Poor deprived William" BS.

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I suspect that Will feels antagonistic towards the press and the public for what he sees as their hounding of his mother.  And he transfers that to his experiences with Kate and the public now.  So a pic of Kate's bum being published is mixed up with the hounding his mother experienced.  Criticisms of Kate are mixed in with criticism of his mother.  He feels then angry with the press and the public, he feels protective towards Kate.
 

It also means that Kate and Co. play him like a mental fiddle like virtuosos; a few photos, a little hysteria, voila, William goes on the rampage.


Title: Re: William's Psychology
Post by: cate1949 on July 01, 2014, 04:51:38 am
I have said over and over again that William has no excuse for his poor work habits - for his waffling - nothing that happened in his childhood excuses this.  He has responsibilities - and he must accept them.

When I say he deserves compassion what I mean is - he is flawed (as we all are in some way) and his childhood certainly accounts for those flaws.  Condemn his lack of a work ethic - but to put it all down to "spoiled child" is lacking in compassion.  He has had experiences that were awful - those experiences shaped him - we can have compassion for that while still holding him to his responsibilities.


Title: Re: William's Psychology
Post by: Kuei Fei on July 01, 2014, 04:54:21 am
You're quite right; I resent Kate for taking full advantage of it, so shamelessly.


Title: Re: William's Psychology
Post by: Mandosiel on July 01, 2014, 06:04:02 am
His expierences may have been terrible in their own way. But I grew up having to deal with things that would give him nightmares for the rest of his life, that no child should have to deal with and basically had to raise myself and I still turned out better than he did. So excuse me if I cut him few quarters. I could sympathize with him in the beginning but it anymore. I don't complain about how I grew up and yet he seems to relish crying wolf all the time. I'm tired of it, let the wolves have him.


Title: Re: William's Psychology
Post by: Countess of Holland on July 01, 2014, 08:31:07 am
I can feel some sympathy for William and Harry...having to go through such a public divorce of your parents must be awful and both Diana and Charles should be blamed for putting their own ego and own truth ahead of their children.
But William isn't the only one who didn't have a peachy-perfect childhood. I was 5 when my parents got divorced, my father refused to pay child-support and my mother worked two jobs because she didn't want to be dependent on government benefits, thinking that would be a bad example for my sister and myself.

But this hasn't stopped my sister and myself from making a success of our lives, from working full-time, being independent and most of all...not fall for the wrong partner who sucks the life out of us.

William is using his childhood as a excuse for everything; bad work-ethics, not wanting to be a royal, demanding total privacy from the press and all the scheming that he and WK do all the time. And he is too pigheaded to see that although he had to overcome some difficulties, he had a lot more going for him.


Title: Re: William's Psychology
Post by: sandy on July 01, 2014, 02:36:53 pm
There are so many people who had horrendous childhoods and could have had an eternal pity party. Oprah Winfrey had a miserable childhood and could have spent the rest of her life saying poor me. But she became a success and does give back to charities and works for them. Jeff Bezos founded Amazon--his young mother was abandoned by his father, he walked out on them. He could have a poor me pity party. But his mother remarried and he had a great stepdad and he moved on. He could have spent his whole life railing against his missing father. He did not and he too is a success and does give back to charitable endeavors.

William unfortunately uses the pity party to shirk responsibilities. And feel it is "owed him" to grab the pleasures and avoid the responsibilities. He is not "ruined" enough not to take advantage of his being a future King to go on expensive vacations, just choose the "fun" patronages, and get many mansions. He also has a yen to fly copters so he walks out on his aged elders to play at being normal.

After a while the "I had a bad childhood" excuse does not apply.

Diana and Charles should not be blamed for William's bad choices. Charles should not have married Diana if he did not love her. His taking on Camilla as his mistress doomed any possible happiness he could have had in his first marriage. But this still does not justify what William is doing now.

The bad part of this is William seems to be contemptuous of the public and avoids royal duties. He is so short sighted he does not realize the damage he is doing to himself by alienating the public by being so arrogant.

Arrogance is not  caused by bad childhoods.


Title: Re: William's Psychology
Post by: sandy on July 01, 2014, 02:49:34 pm
I have said over and over again that William has no excuse for his poor work habits - for his waffling - nothing that happened in his childhood excuses this.  He has responsibilities - and he must accept them.

When I say he deserves compassion what I mean is - he is flawed (as we all are in some way) and his childhood certainly accounts for those flaws.  Condemn his lack of a work ethic - but to put it all down to "spoiled child" is lacking in compassion.  He has had experiences that were awful - those experiences shaped him - we can have compassion for that while still holding him to his responsibilities.


I think he is arrogant. Which would not stem from his childhood. He seems to enjoy all the perks and none of the work. What is missing in him is compassion for others. He could have done so much with significant charity work. But his "work" is top heavy with sports related activities. Sometimes those who have had bad experiences have compassion for others and reach out. William is not "ruined" enough not to be a hedonist and grab for the perks.

I do think he was coddled and catered too. Charles put Camilla first and he had to placate William by cocooning him from the press at St. Andrews and also giving him expensive presents. He also apologized for William when William did something wrong (Will went speeding  along in his car on some person's estate and Charles had to apologize. Will also commandeered a military copter and his commanding officer had to take the blame. I think that William now is more arrogant than ever since he was never held responsible for his bad choices.

I think the Queen and Charles should have included a roster of duties for William even when he was at Uni and allowed him to take vacations only when he worked for them.


Title: Re: William's Psychology
Post by: Ariel on July 02, 2014, 05:38:07 pm
that never ends well. i think, he's up for a rude awakening. the lack of responsibility will catch up with him one way or another.


Title: Re: William's Psychology
Post by: Mememe on January 24, 2015, 09:01:48 am

I think William now is more arrogant than ever since he was never held responsible for his bad choices.

I think the Queen and Charles should have included a roster of duties for William even when he was at Uni and allowed him to take vacations only when he worked for them.

100% agreement in light of his jetting away to Mustique in Jan 2015 with the Middletons especially after Kate has only done a few days work and all right before they left.  Ridiculous and offensive behaviour.


Title: Re: William's Psychology
Post by: gingerboy24 on January 24, 2015, 09:39:48 am
One good thing, the pr is scathing, and talking about him cheating with Jecca last year in the US mags.  If this was Boy Blunder´s idea then he has got it seriously wrong.  The British public are not amused.  Also, there is the little matter of lack of medical assistance in Mustique, surely good medical assistance if something went wrong with the alleged "pregnancy".  Tells you a lot that medical assistance is not a requirement for this holiday in my view.  Laughing to myself, next thing you know they will be putting out that they took their own doctor with the, where was the ambulance and equpment, in the hold   :laugh: :laugh: :laugh: :laugh:


Title: Re: William's Psychology
Post by: Kuei Fei on February 02, 2015, 10:12:36 pm
Despite my irritation, I still see him as a desperately sick man who is drowning in the situation he's in. It's obvious he can't cope. He can't handle a wife who refuses to be a wife, can't cope with the mess his family has become (partly of his own making at times), and it's obvious that he's spiraling into a pit.


Title: Re: William's Psychology
Post by: Little light on February 02, 2015, 10:53:06 pm
Good post Kuei Fei. but I also think he is so stubborn, he thinks he knows it all and won't "take a telling", meaning he will not take advice from others. He knows what is right, or best for him. And it will be only when/if he matures that this situation will change.

But I do think he will have to reach rock bottom before he will take HM's advice, or the courtiers, but the brf has been damaged by his behaviour. (And others' too, BTW).



Title: Re: William's Psychology
Post by: Rebecca on February 03, 2015, 02:48:22 am
^A lifetime of privileges, excuses, and people willing to cater to his every whim have resulted in an arrogant, egotistical man. Unfortunately, I think the sense of duty and respect--that should've been instilled in him early--was missing. At 32 years old, it is probably too late. I have always heard it said, 'You give me a boy to raise til he's 7, and I'll show you the man'. Meaning that the most important parts of character and personality have formed by that time, and those are qualities that last throughout life.


Title: Re: William's Psychology
Post by: Kuei Fei on February 03, 2015, 05:23:30 am
No way! I've changed my life around, changed my habits around. The real problem is a lack of decisive intervention and I'm certain that being soaked in booze and who knows what else fogged his brain in his twenties.


Title: Re: William's Psychology
Post by: Rebecca on February 03, 2015, 02:00:36 pm
^Of course people can change their habits and alter their behaviors in many ways. But I believe that his very nature, and the way he views the world and his place in it--will not change at his age.


Title: Re: William's Psychology
Post by: sandy on February 03, 2015, 03:16:42 pm
^A lifetime of privileges, excuses, and people willing to cater to his every whim have resulted in an arrogant, egotistical man. Unfortunately, I think the sense of duty and respect--that should've been instilled in him early--was missing. At 32 years old, it is probably too late. I have always heard it said, 'You give me a boy to raise til he's 7, and I'll show you the man'. Meaning that the most important parts of character and personality have formed by that time, and those are qualities that last throughout life.

William just got away with things. I think Charles is arrogant and egotistical and the apple does not fall far from the tree. Charles though has a work ethic. Charles and the Queen should have given Will a plate of royal duties that he was required to complete, otherwise no vacations or privileges.


Title: Re: William's Psychology
Post by: Kuei Fei on February 03, 2015, 09:12:58 pm
Boundaries changes everything. He and his brother were not taught them.


Title: Re: William's Psychology
Post by: KGap on February 05, 2015, 02:06:51 am
The inherent natures and personalities of H & w couldn't be more different. Their positions in life also impacted them.
It didn't help that mum and dad were at best hands off parents when it came to the hard stuff, at worst absent.

The army was the making of Harry. I don't doubt he was the recipient of special perks, but he seems to be much more mature now. He wouldn't have changed so much, if he was allowed to skate through; nor would the papers miss the chance to print a negative Harry story.

Will was handed everything and his military career was a joke. It's no wonder why he is exactly the same. He was never forced to grow up or face hardship. When William screws up, Pathetically, Charles is the one to apologize for him.


Title: Re: William's Psychology
Post by: Rebecca on February 05, 2015, 02:20:26 am
^Exactly. William has always been the 'good' son, and Harry the 'bad' son. I could be wrong, but I believe that because Will was the eldest, he has had more of a pass in life. Everything he did/does was cute or excused. Harry, being the 'spare', has had more criticism for his behavior, and has had to work harder for acceptance. Will has always had acceptance, simply because of who he is. Thus he developed his current issues. Selfish, unwilling to listen to others, arrogant, entitled...and so on. IMO, of course.


Title: Re: William's Psychology
Post by: KGap on February 05, 2015, 05:05:39 am
William has the (for lack of a better word) 'nasty/temperamental' spencer personality combined with chuck's less charming attributes. He was always a nightmare, it's just gotten worse. Look up young William stories, he wasn't given the nickname of billy the basher for his sweet demeanor.

Harry seemed to inherit the better qualities from his parents. Charles and Diana both said that Harry was the easier kid.
Diana saw something in her sons at a young age and wisely said that Harry would be the better royal.

When they were interviewed in 2007, they were asked what did they dislike about their lives... Naturally William started in on the media/photographers. Harry pulled him back and said they had very nice lives compared with other less fortunate people.

That exchange is so telling.


Title: Re: William's Psychology
Post by: CarryingOn on February 06, 2015, 06:27:59 am
Very few to no people are born with all bad qualities. Harry may have always been a natural but William could've at least been a better person than he's turned out to be. William's problem isn't his Spencer temper or whatever the heck he got from Charles. William's problem is that he was never given boundaries, he was never made to stand on his own two feet, and he was never made to work and have his own anything. A couple of more spankings would've done him a world of good too. We've photographic proof of Diana doing it, so we all know they're not adverse to physical punishment. You have to let children know that there are consequences to their actions every single time they behave poorly, not just sometimes. That's William's problem, he's rewarded no matter what and when he's not being rewarded he's just simply not being punished. The fact is that we're not all going to be natural people persons or charming or glow warmth, the world doesn't turn like that. However, we can all be made aware of our responsibilities, our blessings and taught to be grateful for them, and that if we screw up we will not be rewarded.


Title: Re: William's Psychology
Post by: Kuei Fei on February 06, 2015, 06:57:52 am
Mentally and emotionally he's no more than an alcoholic. Blaming everyone, messed up relationships, sabotaging himself and his chances, all that and more. Kate is his enabler and I do wonder just what it is that would end up getting him to hit rock bottom.


Title: Re: William's Psychology
Post by: Creepy on March 21, 2015, 02:57:35 am
I remember when they announced on tv he was going to study art history and the tv pesenter commented about his choice, "well it´s not like he needs to worry about making a living". But then he just went for geography so people can joke about his similarities with the storyline of The Little prince... maybe that´s how he feels, the world is tiny and at his feet since he was born. I just wonder why he hasn´t thought about working in something nobody will know it´s him, they'll just pay for the job done... that could make him feel normal.


Title: Re: William's Psychology
Post by: Kuei Fei on March 27, 2015, 04:00:52 am
I for one will never understand why he doesn't get over the fact that his parents weren't tucking him in bed each night. His peers handle it just fine and so do zillions of kids in the US and among the worldwide upper classes.


Title: Re: William's Psychology
Post by: Snowpea on March 27, 2015, 12:29:03 pm
Didn't you get the memo? 30 and 40 year olds nowadays spend their lives trying to get back at Mumsy and Pops. They are owed.  ;)


Title: Re: William's Psychology
Post by: CarryingOn on March 27, 2015, 12:49:49 pm
^^ There are plenty of pictures of Diana taking him and Harry to school or picking him up, taking them on engagements, Sports Day (I believe it's called) at school, Diana took him to Wimbledon, vacationing on Necker Island, vacations in Spain, trip to the amusement park, hanging with Dodi on his yacht, hanging at polo, Niagara Falls, just hanging out at Highgrove, etc. It's not as if they were completely absent parents. I think he very much has this idea of the grass being greener on the other side but it's really not. If that's that what's really upsetting him than he surely inherited his father's short term and highly selective memory.


Title: Re: William's Psychology
Post by: india on March 27, 2015, 01:30:31 pm
He loves having his a$$ kissed by his yummy mummy Carol(e). What a fragile little hot house flower.


Title: Re: William's Psychology
Post by: gingerboy24 on March 27, 2015, 04:39:41 pm
I think he totally lost the plot when he got reeled in hook, line and sinker by that vile family.  Whatever intelligence he had completely deserted him -  I have seen no sign of it returning either  :bouncy:


Title: Re: William's Psychology
Post by: Kuei Fei on May 08, 2015, 05:16:29 pm
I think William has gone stark raving psychotic; he's still fixated on his mother's death (which happened nearly twenty years ago) and I do think that if he were normal, he would be on welfare benefits and would be spending time basically known as one of many messed up, broken men. I do think Kate has had a huge influence on this, since if William had gotten better he never would have married her and would have become more independent.


Title: Re: William's Psychology
Post by: Tpearl on June 17, 2015, 03:28:26 am
PW is simply spoiled and entitled.


Title: Re: William's Psychology
Post by: Kuei Fei on August 14, 2015, 08:33:07 pm
At some point William is going to break psychologically; as long as Kate and Co. keep stoking his demons they'll get what they want out of him. I wonder if their plan is to break William mentally and make him too incompetent to run things so Kate will be the main power when William is king. She is not helping him get over his past pain and she (along with her rotten family) keeps the past going all the time.


Title: Re: William's Psychology
Post by: kolkomilko on August 15, 2015, 06:42:12 am
^ Waity will put upon him.


Title: Re: William's Psychology
Post by: leogirl on August 15, 2015, 11:04:14 am
If they keep up their laziness, William will never be king because the monarchy will be abolished a few years into PC's reign. Poor Kate, all her "hard work" will be for nothing. And I wonder how Willie will cope, what he will do with himself when he no longer has a title (or his title doesn't mean anything).


Title: Re: William's Psychology
Post by: empirestate on August 29, 2015, 01:56:04 am
He'll be fine. He'll still have the money and there'll be plenty of sycophants who will kill for the "honor" of serving him, probably still call him your  highness in private. Kate and her family? That could be an epic meltdown.


Title: Re: William's Psychology
Post by: One of the Peasants on November 01, 2015, 07:37:29 pm
Am I the only one who sees Bill physically morphing into something really creepy. 

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3299112/Prince-William-tells-widow-big-hugs-children-Royal-Navy-submarine-officer-killed-tried-disarm-rampaging-seaman.html#i-f48ee2003b29eba0 (http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3299112/Prince-William-tells-widow-big-hugs-children-Royal-Navy-submarine-officer-killed-tried-disarm-rampaging-seaman.html#i-f48ee2003b29eba0)

All the years he has been fused with that family has caused him to physically manifest the enabling that has taken place. 


Title: Re: William's Psychology
Post by: Stephanie on November 01, 2015, 07:44:16 pm
I see it too, OOTP.
http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2015/11/01/14/2E02378500000578-0-image-a-68_1446389413948.jpg
An out of shape effeminate hunchback. :nervous:


Title: Re: William's Psychology
Post by: One of the Peasants on November 01, 2015, 08:28:48 pm
^
He reminds me of an episode of the Twilight Zone called The Masks, a dying old man brings his horribly behaved, ungrateful, greedy family to him for one last visit, asks them to wear hideous masks till midnight and his death and when they take them off their faces have become manifestations of their terrible selves.  This is what I see in Bill.  Scary. 


Title: Re: William's Psychology
Post by: kolkomilko on November 02, 2015, 10:11:44 am
It is a photo about Willy's crazy faces or moment. Did he learn it from Waity? :nervous:


Title: Re: William's Psychology
Post by: My2Pence on December 08, 2015, 04:21:39 pm
I am a Prince
http://www.people.com/people/package/article/0,,20395222_20971647,00.html


via Celebitchy
http://www.celebitchy.com/460205/prince_william_was_asked_what_defines_him_his_answer_was_i_am_a_prince/


He thinks this is what defines him, but he refuses to live up to the role. It is as if he thinks the world owes him a pity party because his life is so terrible.


Title: Re: William's Psychology
Post by: YooperModerator on December 08, 2015, 04:43:37 pm
So he never said, "A proud member of my country, husband, father, brother, son"?  Just "Prince" huh?  Didn't even throw in Duke?  Pretty hollow and shallow guy who also refuses to fully embrace that Prince thing with which he's identifying so strongly.


Title: Re: William's Psychology
Post by: india on December 09, 2015, 09:35:20 pm
All I can say is Prince Sh*t Head. " I am a little Sh*t." That's how he can define himself.


Title: Re: William's Psychology
Post by: Val on December 09, 2015, 09:38:49 pm
What a twat!


Title: Re: William's Psychology
Post by: Kuei Fei on January 04, 2016, 05:06:26 pm
You know, a former therapist told me once that blaming things on other people constantly is a sign of a developing personality disorder, a personality disorder being something embedded in who the person is, not just a chemical imbalance corrected by medication and regular therapy visits.


Title: Re: William's Psychology
Post by: Bella on January 08, 2016, 02:36:02 pm
You know, a former therapist told me once that blaming things on other people constantly is a sign of a developing personality disorder, a personality disorder being something embedded in who the person is, not just a chemical imbalance corrected by medication and regular therapy visits.

You're right about this because I know someone like this! They'll do anything, deny it, etc, & has become a very dangerous person.


Title: Re: William's Psychology
Post by: kolkomilko on January 09, 2016, 09:10:06 am
^^ Yes, it is true. So does Willy surpass Charles? Or the same?


Title: Re: William's Psychology
Post by: gingerboy24 on January 09, 2016, 10:56:50 am
Probably as bad as one another, nothing is ever chucky´s fault either is it, always someome else.

I always want to chuckle when I read the title of this thread, I rather thought you needed a brain first to have any psychology problems, as his brain appears to have been missing since birth it does make me laugh, every time without fail.   lol


Title: Re: William's Psychology
Post by: Kuei Fei on June 01, 2016, 01:37:02 am
I do think William's tantrums and anger and frustration with Kate is directly linked to how frustrated he is that he's not getting the respect and plaudits that he thinks he deserves. Having dated two men with huge drive/ambition and the lack of genuine self focus and drive, I can tell you from experience that William likely has HUGE ambition and energy, but can't get it together since he can't understand the connection between hard work, getting oneself centered and balanced, and then going for what he wants. Since childhood he's been celebrated and since adolescence he's been praised and had cheering crowds and perfect press since his mother died. The problem is, that it's been effortless. He's been unable to figure out the realities that his father has had to face. I do think he's unable to comprehend how to handle a world that doesn't function like his and he can't cope.

Thing is, I think in 2007 he was genuinely bewildered that Kate didn't just walk away, lick her wounds, and be content with the memories. It never occurred to him that Kate would put up a fuss and challenge his decision and it was during that brief time that he had bad press he had to deal with. His usual perfect press was balking and his normally seemingly pliant girlfriend was proving to be more determined than he realized. Instead of just riding out the temporary bad press and possibly dealing with a troublesome woman, he likely panicked and so, deciding to restore his formerly harmonious existence, he decided to take Kate back and restore his former normal dynamics of fawning press and docile girlfriend. After a few more years, he ended up proposing and amplifying his good press and his girlfriend, not a fiancee, was likely pathetically grateful.

Then the marriage, when it all peaked. After, things changed. Kate started going on her own to London, started to enjoy herself more and meanwhile, while William did his duties in Wales, he ended up going on tours and such, but he was never invited to speak at the UN, or participate in major trade deals, and basically schmooze with the world's movers and shakers. He was hyped as not being superficial, but that is the extent of the stuff he does on tour. He strikes me as having major ambition and the energy to sustain a high level role, but the problem is that he doesn't have the training, education, or background. Instead of going to school, he's reached a point where in he's a married man and the years of exploring and trying new things is over and done for him and he's 'stuck' kissing babies and cutting ribbons.

I do think his frustration is reaching a boiling point and yes, he's likely had temper tantrums.


Title: Re: William's Psychology
Post by: Countess of Holland on June 01, 2016, 10:50:52 am
My boss has this habit of putting a new quote on his white board every week and a few weeks ago he had a great one:
Only in a dictionary 'success' comes before 'work'

Perhaps someone should tell William this because he seems to think he can have it all without putting in the time.


Title: Re: William's Psychology
Post by: india on June 01, 2016, 12:32:22 pm
Again, I will say it: this lout has brain damage.


Title: Re: William's Psychology
Post by: cate1949 on June 02, 2016, 10:10:28 am
William I think too is willful - he decides what he is going to do and then he ignores any other advice - he simply cannot adapt.  Strung very tight.


Title: Re: William's Psychology
Post by: india on June 05, 2016, 09:15:27 pm
Arrogance coupled with brain damage.


Title: Re: William's Psychology
Post by: Kuei Fei on October 12, 2016, 08:36:05 am
I don't know about any of you, but William is a descendant of very nasty, ruthless people. Once he runs out of patience for Kate, he will no longer be coddling her, but he will start tormenting her in very sadistic ways. Not physical, but likely verbally and emotionally. I do not doubt that he's lost his temper at her, but thing is, he might become cruelty personified when he realizes the magnitude of direction that he's lost. He lost everything once he married her and continues to lose more and more. He's frustrated with his lack of prominence, he's not being taken seriously, and he's basically going to realize the time he wasted on her constant dramatics while he was a boyfriend and how much credibility he's lost as her husband. A man who has thwarted ambitions is someone who will lash out. Usually at a spouse or girlfriend.


Title: Re: William's Psychology
Post by: sandy on October 12, 2016, 03:44:06 pm
I think William is his own worst enemy. He chose to grab the perks and avoid the work involved. He may still salvage some of his reputation if he quits the ambulance pilot work and steps up to the plate with full time duties. I also notice that he practically has ignored the Duchy he will inherit (I doubt he finished the 10 week farming course). Kate I think enables him and until he feels he does not need the enabling, he won't turn on her. Eventually he might grow up. But I think he's basically lazy. Unless he is totally deluded, he should realize any prominence he would have does not involve hiding out and playing normal. He can't have it both ways. I think William's ruthlessness involves getting his way or the highway. He seems to have persuaded his grandmother to let him do as he pleases.


Title: Re: William's Psychology
Post by: CathyJane on October 14, 2016, 09:18:58 pm
Could Harry end up with the Duchy?


Title: Re: William's Psychology
Post by: india on October 14, 2016, 09:43:23 pm
It would be a relief if Broken Bill Middleton was removed from the line. He has no enthusiasm and he is just plain lazy and stupid. And then there is the whole Middleton faction which has completely dragged him down to the depths of hell and incompetence. Harry would be a better choice by far. William could be removed. There would be an uproar but it could be handled behind closed doors through Parliament.


Title: Re: William's Psychology
Post by: Kuei Fei on October 14, 2016, 10:11:42 pm
William is just like Kate in so many areas. He refuses to learn and grow and better himself. Looking slovenly and looking bored at events does not make him cool or comical or hip, it makes him look bored. Just like his trash wife, he basically wastes space and other people's time. He does nothing but mope about, turn every engagement into a public therapy session, and jokes around during speeches. He's still stuck in his 'hot young royal' phase of life and if he would for once just show up prepared and behave, it would take him a lot further.


Title: Re: William's Psychology
Post by: marion on October 14, 2016, 10:16:51 pm
He's an arrogant sh*t who presumed the whole world would love him and fall at is feet because he is Diana's son


Title: Re: William's Psychology
Post by: india on October 14, 2016, 10:59:27 pm
That illusion evaporated when he presented the nasty Middletons to the world. And then it was all downhill for William The Haut Young Gorgeous Prince. He morphed into a crotch pressing bald yellow toothed old man and became Broken Bill Middleton. Oh how the mighty have fallen.


Title: Re: William's Psychology
Post by: Kuei Fei on October 16, 2016, 03:43:35 am
Just think on it. During his youth and teens he was literally hyped as the holiest of princes and had every virtues ascribed to him. THEN he ends up with Kate, which didn't disturb anyone and then after 2007, it went downhill. If he had stood up for himself in 2007 and decided to literally blast Kate out of his life using the courtiers and MI6 I believe that he would have matured and become a true prince. He would have easily maintained his flawless PR and literally continued to have the world at his feet. If he had grown up and decided to stop being Mr. Nice Guy to all the wrong people, he would either be single or married to someone who actually made him happy. All he had to do was drop his illusions about the Midds and his middle class fantasies and so much more would be different in his life.


Title: Re: William's Psychology
Post by: marion on October 16, 2016, 02:37:37 pm
^It's not as if he didn't get enough warnings from his friends and probably his family as well


Title: Re: William's Psychology
Post by: india on October 16, 2016, 03:27:33 pm
Everybody warned him. The fact they he ignored their warnings just shows how stupid he really is.


Title: Re: William's Psychology
Post by: marion on October 16, 2016, 07:18:00 pm
Arrogant as well as stupid - a terrible combination


Title: Re: William's Psychology
Post by: Val on October 16, 2016, 07:27:43 pm
^

Stubbornness and not ever admitting he is wrong is a key part of his flawed makeup.


Title: Re: William's Psychology
Post by: india on October 16, 2016, 10:09:33 pm
In addition to all the above, Broken Bill is so damaged mentally. He needs help but I don't think it would do any good.


Title: Re: William's Psychology
Post by: Kuei Fei on October 16, 2016, 10:37:31 pm
^It's not as if he didn't get enough warnings from his friends and probably his family as well
Everybody warned him. The fact they he ignored their warnings just shows how stupid he really is.

The real problem is he likely dismissed it with a wave of his hand, a 'good guy' grin, and breezed right on to self destruction. Too bad HM and Charles did not set him straight when he was young. I'm really surprised that HM and Charles weren't harder on William, like a lot of aristocratic fathers are when it comes to raising their heirs.


Title: Re: William's Psychology
Post by: leogirl on October 16, 2016, 11:58:13 pm
HM I think didn't have as much influence because PW is her grandson so she did not raise him like she did her own children.

PC was so upset about not being treated special among his siblings, that I think he did not want to discipline PW. He believed his heir deserved special treatment. PH got into trouble as a teen/young adult and his shenanigans were all over the papers. But PW has been protected from his mistakes so he hasn't been able to learn from them.


Title: Re: William's Psychology
Post by: sandy on October 17, 2016, 01:15:00 am
Charles even apologized to a landowner for William's behavior (he went speeding around in his car on  the man's estate ). At that time WIlliam was an adult and should have apologized himself or been told to by his father. William's weird behavior today (doing as he pleases) IMO comes from the indulgence of his father and grandmother (who puts up with the playing normal behavior).


Title: Re: William's Psychology
Post by: Kuei Fei on October 17, 2016, 02:47:15 am
Looking at William now, I see a young man who ingrained all that approval into his psyche and as a result of a 'normal' upbringing, he's as narrow minded and selfish as his wife. Just think, if he had been raised as a prince and disciplined like Charles was at the hands of Philip and the headmasters at Gordenstoun, chances are he would have become a much different adult. I often think that coddling kids who grow up with great privilege is a huge disservice. Look at how an average suburban family allows their kids to grow up as special snowflakes and look at the messes those brats cause. I shouldn't be surprised though, since William has always been pampered by billionaires who spoil him nonstop.

HM I think didn't have as much influence because PW is her grandson so she did not raise him like she did her own children.

PC was so upset about not being treated special among his siblings, that I think he did not want to discipline PW. He believed his heir deserved special treatment. PH got into trouble as a teen/young adult and his shenanigans were all over the papers. But PW has been protected from his mistakes so he hasn't been able to learn from them.

HM should have taken an interest since this is her dynasty on the line, not just a family. I swear her mentality is the reason her heirs are the messes they are today. Just look at how almost all of them have turned out, a complete and total mess.


Title: Re: William's Psychology
Post by: kolkomilko on October 17, 2016, 08:27:50 am
It seems to me HM doesn't keep the firm hand on things, maybe she leaves them for Charles? Just thinking.  :cookie:


Title: Re: William's Psychology
Post by: Val on October 17, 2016, 08:36:30 am
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HM is well known for burying her head in the sand and avoiding confrontation.  One of her favourite ploys when confronted is to turn and say 'I am going to walk the corgis now' even though most of the pure bred ones have gone to rainbow bridge.


Title: Re: William's Psychology
Post by: india on October 17, 2016, 12:12:05 pm
What a terrible leader and grandmother she is. Her inactivity has caused a lot of problems for all of her children. Turning your head and slamming it into the sand does nothing. She is an ineffectual, weak leader who was instrumental in creating a selfish, spoiled, unintelligent, lazy sod of future leader in Broken Bill. In addition, her inactivity in dealing with the advent of the Middletons has resulted in a nightmare beyond belief for all of them.


Title: Re: William's Psychology
Post by: sandy on October 17, 2016, 03:02:39 pm
Charles also had a lot to do with how William turned out. Though that said, William is a grown up now and I think this is all on him now. Nothing is stopping him from quitting the fake job and getting on with full time royal work.


Title: Re: William's Psychology
Post by: Kuei Fei on October 17, 2016, 06:55:06 pm
Charles might be the father, but HM is the SOVEREIGN and head of the family. It's not like HM couldn't go to a courtier and order the courtier to put a team of fellow courtiers together and figure out how to blast the Middleton into prison permanently. Even Charles is her subject and the Middletons are her subjects. Not politically correct, but that is how the system works. Chrissake, HM has the power and she should be using it!

As for William's choices, he chose this path after 2007; anyone could see how it was going to go, but no, he wouldn't listen.


Title: Re: William's Psychology
Post by: sandy on October 17, 2016, 07:21:03 pm
The most appalling thing was the Queen giving Kate and William properties and the sky was the limit on their refurbishing (including building a needless new tennis court). The QUeen has a history of avoiding confrontation and only in desperate situations (e.g. the Diana/Charles respective TV  interviews and so on).  She should have withheld any perks until William took on a full load of royal work which he should have been doing years ago. The fake helicopter job is embarrassing.


Title: Re: William's Psychology
Post by: india on October 17, 2016, 07:40:48 pm
The fake helicopter job is really embarrassing. They are promoting this lazy, worthless balding dork of a clod who has the intelligence and fortitude of a snail. Pathetic.


Title: Re: William's Psychology
Post by: Val on October 17, 2016, 09:09:49 pm
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Many feel that involving him in any job which means saving lives is completely wrong.  He is a distraction and is said to speed dial photographers and reporters too.


Title: Re: William's Psychology
Post by: leogirl on October 17, 2016, 11:17:10 pm
Yes, he is a distraction and he is also taking a job/salary away from someone who needs the money to support their family. Someone who wouldn't be a distraction and would show up for work every day, not just for PR.

William is independently wealthy and the taxpayers are already paying for him to have protection officers, as well as a staff for his home and nannies for his children. He needs to do the job he's being paid to do, which is being a full-time royal.


Title: Re: William's Psychology
Post by: india on October 17, 2016, 11:52:12 pm
Can you imagine what a pain and distraction he would be in any paying job? And also having to suck up to him. Oh God.


Title: Re: William's Psychology
Post by: Kuei Fei on October 18, 2016, 12:00:30 am
It seems to me HM doesn't keep the firm hand on things, maybe she leaves them for Charles? Just thinking.

Could be that HM is now placing her bets on Harry. HM likely couldn't care less anymore about their antics; sometimes, whne a person lets you get away with too much, it often means they do not at all care.


Title: Re: William's Psychology
Post by: meememe on October 18, 2016, 08:18:25 am
If HM was putting the future of the monarchy in the hands of Harry she wouldn't have made William a Privy Councillor - a clear sign she sees the future is in William's hands.

She also honoured Harry last year - with an honour she gives to minor royals - not future Kings. His KCVO is an honour that the Queen has given to Anne (The Grand Master of the Order),The Duke and Duchess of Kent, Princess Alexandra, The Duke and Duchess of Gloucester, Prince Michael of Kent along with Andrew, Edward, Sophie and Camilla, but not to her husband, her heir or her heir's heir (none of Philip, Charles or William have it).

If she was going with Harry as the future and causing the constitutional crisis that would ensue as he is only 5th in the line of succession, she wouldn't have given him an honour she has only given to minor royals and their spouses.

In the meantime she has given William both the Garter and the Thistle. He is also an ADC to the Queen and a Privy Councillor. Other royals who are ADCs are Philip, Charles, Andrew, Edward, Tim, and the Duke of Kent but not the Duke of Gloucester (with no military background). No doubt in time Harry will also become an ADC but more likely to his father, brother and even potentially his nephew than to his grandmother.

HM is making it very clear that William is the future and Harry is the supporting cast.


Title: Re: William's Psychology
Post by: india on October 18, 2016, 01:48:10 pm
Well, if HM is making Broken Bill the future she is clearly suffering from dementia and delusion. 


Title: Re: William's Psychology
Post by: Val on October 18, 2016, 03:43:20 pm
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A sure way to kill off the Monarchy which the Republicans say will end anyway before bill becomes King.


Title: Re: William's Psychology
Post by: Rebecca on October 18, 2016, 04:04:26 pm
Well, if HM is making Broken Bill the future she is clearly suffering from dementia and delusion. 

IMO, too much has been made of her promise to serve the country for her whole life and not abdicate.  I think that if she truly cared tremendously for her country and her dynasty (such as it is :ick:)she would realize that if she is too tired or doesn't care enough anymore to make William step up then she is hurting the future of the monarchy. Keeping that promise to never abdicate is not necessarily a good choice if she is just to old to give a F anymore.


Title: Re: William's Psychology
Post by: Kuei Fei on October 18, 2016, 04:29:36 pm
I think HM's dedicatory speech was just propaganda; I don't think she wrote it and I think she is way too over-hyped in regards to duties. She's never cared about anyone but her bank account and position/legacy for the future. As for William, the more he took on the traits of the middle class, he took on their flaws as well. Every class background has faults and he went from being  broadminded to being narrow minded and too selfish.


Title: Re: William's Psychology
Post by: HRHOlya on October 18, 2016, 06:45:26 pm
I think HM's dedicatory speech was just propaganda; I don't think she wrote it and I think she is way too over-hyped in regards to duties. She's never cared about anyone but her bank account and position/legacy for the future. As for William, the more he took on the traits of the middle class, he took on their flaws as well. Every class background has faults and he went from being  broadminded to being narrow minded and too selfish.

How very true and on point. It has given her good PR though over the years.


Title: Re: William's Psychology
Post by: Kuei Fei on October 18, 2016, 07:24:49 pm
You know, I do think that he's just a product of his family.

His entire family is hyped over so many things. Anne is hyped as a down to earth type, although if a regular employee had her attitude, they would be unemployable. HM isn't the hardest working elderly person in Britain and Charles isn't such an astute businessman since he after all, started with an entire nation at his feet as Heir and a lot of billionaires do what he odes, they just write their own checks and begin their own organizations. It's not like the royals marry to cement treaties and secure GOOD business concessions for their country and it's not like they even HAVE to behave since they have PR and courtiers to brush up their images.

If William had been raised by an American upper class family, he would have become a lot more ruthless and a lot more cunning. Say what you will about the upper 1%, they are a lot more determined to protect what they have and don't care about everyone liking them. It's not like William has ever been anything other than likable and his Achilles Heel is that he doesn't want things to change, he wants to continue to coast on being the golden prince, even though he's no longer a teen and he's no longer fresh on the scene. Like the rest of his family, he's lost in his own hubris.