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Title: Charles & Diana's Marriage
Post by: Dahlia on January 31, 2012, 12:23:24 pm
I don´t think most dislike her because she looks like a horse, it´s because of what happened in the past. And well Diana belongs to this past.


Changed title - Alex


Title: Re: CH and DM Spinning Spin to get Camilla "loved"
Post by: sandy on January 31, 2012, 02:02:27 pm
If Diana belongs to the past why did William bring her up in the engagement interview? She's very much alive in the boys' hearts and in people's memories.

If Diana belongs to the past, why does Sally Bedell Smith continue her hatchet job on Diana in the book about the Queen?

That being said. I think Charles needs to go easy on the spin about Camilla. She is what she is. He's lucky he wasn't forced to give up his place in the succession for her (I believe he'd have given her up if given a choice).


Title: Re: CH and DM Spinning Spin to get Camilla "loved"
Post by: Mooster on January 31, 2012, 02:07:37 pm
He should have been made to choose.  Why should his brother have to give up Koo Stark; why did his Aunt and his Uncle David have to choose?  It makes me sick.  While Camilla lives in what should have been Diana's shoes, then in my mind Diana is very much alive...why should everyone consign her to the past just to make Camilla more likeable  :stop:


Title: Re: CH and DM Spinning Spin to get Camilla "loved"
Post by: Alexandrine on January 31, 2012, 04:28:41 pm
Off topic but "David" was out for being close to the nazis.


Title: Re: CH and DM Spinning Spin to get Camilla "loved"
Post by: sandy on January 31, 2012, 05:04:24 pm
He could still not marry a two time divorcee. Even if there weren't rumors of nazi sympathy, she was totally unacceptable (Queen Mary called her an "adventuress"). Princess Margaret in the 50s was told she could marry Townsend only if she gave up much of her status as a royal family member. She obviously could not stay in line of succession.


Title: Re: CH and DM Spinning Spin to get Camilla "loved"
Post by: Alexandrine on January 31, 2012, 05:07:13 pm
I think David was very popular and the idea could have been sold to the masses. The main problem would have been his family not the country.

the only thing that would have been harder to click would have been his position in the church.


Title: Re: CH and DM Spinning Spin to get Camilla "loved"
Post by: sandy on January 31, 2012, 05:49:12 pm
The PM Baldwin was dead set against the marriage and gave him the choice the throne or Wallis. Perhaps another PM would have helped him. Churchill was said to be sympathetic to David.


Title: Re: CH and DM Spinning Spin to get Camilla "loved"
Post by: Tatiana on January 31, 2012, 06:35:19 pm
      I have to say Diana was 23 years old, when her husband "returned" to his mistress, and I ask any of you, what should she have done ?  stayed at home knitting, whilst her hubby was knocking about with Camz?

       Lots of authors write biographies, but few of them are psychiartists, including Beddell Smith.

      No One who is a psychiartist ever diagnosed Diana as having BPD .. so let's not call it fact please.

     Camilla is not acceptable to many in the UK and Commonwealth, because of her part in the break up of the Wales' marriage.

     No amount of sugar coating will make this woman "sweet".

     No amount of CH spin will make Charles out to be an honourable man.

     Please read books written by the Butler, The Housekeeper and the Valet.

    People who were actually there.. and not Johnny come lately's such as Beddell Smith.

     .. and yes Jane.. Diana did take responsibility for 50% of her marriage breakdown.. and I choose to believe her.

    Everyone has a part in this sorry saga, but as to who "started it" .. I feel Charles must take much of the blame... and as for who pretended to be a friend to Diana, all the while keeping her hooks firmly into Diana's husband, she must accept some moral blame.. anyone with any kind of a Moral Compass sees that.

      Camilla, who is the topic of this thread, is not "loved" or even "liked" by many people, in the UK and Commonwealth.

     Camilla and Charles have done much to help the Republican cause.

      BTW as long as Diana's sons and grandchildren are alive .. she will not fade away.. sad news for CH I'm sure  LMAO


Title: Re: CH and DM Spinning Spin to get Camilla "loved"
Post by: Dahlia on January 31, 2012, 06:52:35 pm
If Diana belongs to the past why did William bring her up in the engagement interview? She's very much alive in the boys' hearts and in people's memories.

If Diana belongs to the past, why does Sally Bedell Smith continue her hatchet job on Diana in the book about the Queen?

That being said. I think Charles needs to go easy on the spin about Camilla. She is what she is. He's lucky he wasn't forced to give up his place in the succession for her (I believe he'd have given her up if given a choice).

I think I formulated it wrong. I meant that Camillas unpopularity is not because of other things, it´s mainly because of Diana, and it will always follow her, so I don´t understand why we shouldn´t discuss the whole story.  :shy:


Title: Re: CH and DM Spinning Spin to get Camilla "loved"
Post by: Jane23 on January 31, 2012, 06:58:05 pm
So now Diana fans choose to speak  for the the people all over Commonwealth? I would like to remind them that she died in 1997 so your average 22 years old couldn't care less about the whole saga NO ONE under 40 does ... The Duchess is well liked and will be Queen Consort and has her man now and Diana's sons are OK with her and this kills some...my brother is 21 and even though he know who Diana is let me tell you he has no ill feelings towards anyone involved in the Triangle of Bermuda because Diana died when he was 7 so of course he fells NOTHING about the whole mess just like the rest of people his age I am sure feel nothing about it.


Title: Re: CH and DM Spinning Spin to get Camilla "loved"
Post by: Alexandrine on January 31, 2012, 07:05:19 pm
Are you sure Jane23? There is still a lot of interest in Diana in the web and many of them are younger than 22 by far. Check tumblr or pinterest.


Title: Re: Charles&Diana's Marriage
Post by: Alexandrine on January 31, 2012, 07:08:54 pm
Can we keep the discussion here about the affairs, the no affairs and the garden stories?

Leave the other thread to the PR tactics of Charles.

 :thankyou:



Title: Re: CH and DM Spinning Spin to get Camilla "loved"
Post by: sandy on January 31, 2012, 07:56:09 pm
So now Diana fans choose to speak  for the the people all over Commonwealth? I would like to remind them that she died in 1997 so your average 22 years old couldn't care less about the whole saga NO ONE under 40 does ... The Duchess is well liked and will be Queen Consort and has her man now and Diana's sons are OK with her and this kills some...my brother is 21 and even though he know who Diana is let me tell you he has no ill feelings towards anyone involved in the Triangle of Bermuda because Diana died when he was 7 so of course he fells NOTHING about the whole mess just like the rest of people his age I am sure feel nothing about it.

No one under forty? There are two people under 40 who would not be around today if it hadn't been for Diana: William and Harry. They talk about her and don't believe that "people could not care less."  I don't think they'd agree with your assessment. Kate also said at the engagement interview that she would have liked to have gotten to know Diana. I notice William and Kate didn't even mention Camilla during the engagement interview--must kill some people.

Unless you take a survey of every person in the world, there is no proof of your saying "nobody under 40 cares." But perhaps you would like to think so...Your brother has his own opinions but I don't think everyone thinks the same things he does.

I think the Duchess of Cornwall is not universally "well liked". There are people who adore her, people who don't like her and those who say Camila who?


Title: Re: Charles&Diana's Marriage
Post by: Tatiana on February 01, 2012, 01:40:01 am
     Please read this article regarding the most famous and most googled 30 women...

# 3. If she was alive today, probably the politics and social glitterati life of United Kingdom would be way different. The most controversial and yet, the most loved female of this generation left the world at a tender age, leaving behind a sea of controversies we are still diving in. Princess Diana finds the 3rd place on the list.

    I do not see Camilla anywhere on this list.

  

  http://stooge.hubpages.com/hub/The-Most-Famous-Female-in-the-World


Title: Re: Charles&Diana's Marriage
Post by: Jane23 on February 01, 2012, 08:20:38 am
I said people under 40 don't have strong feelings about the Triangle of Bermuda because they weren't even born when it happened and that in the long run helps Camilla being liked ...I never said that people under 40 don't remember Diana why do people put words in my mouth? As for Kate well I expect her to know who Diana is and mention her being Diana her mother in law and all  :sly:.


Title: Re: Charles&Diana's Marriage
Post by: sandy on February 01, 2012, 02:47:02 pm
How "OK" William and harry are with Camilla is subject to speculation. I think they accepted her for their father's sake, she did not have anything to do with raising them, and I think they are civil and cordial  but it is no big love fest. Diana must get under some people at the Palace's skin because Charles sympathizers like Sally Bedell Smith continue to do hatchet jobs on her. And there are people who don't like Camlla because of what she did to Diana. There was a history of the world before Camilla married Charles. Diana was the first wife and the mother of William and Harry who do speak publicly about their mother.


Title: Re: Charles&Diana's Marriage
Post by: Jane23 on February 01, 2012, 04:49:15 pm
Harry at 21 on Camilla, the media and Aids children in Africa

· Prince marks his birthday with candid TV interview
· Tells of devotion to Chelsy and love of army life
The Guardian, Thursday 15 September 2005


He and his brother loved Camilla "to bits": "She has always been very close to me and William ... But no, she's not the wicked stepmother... ". As he added: "She's a wonderful woman and she's made my father very, very happy," a horse behind him neighed loudly. The prince grinned, then added: "Everyone's happy. Everyone's fine."   8)


Title: Re: Charles&Diana's Marriage
Post by: Mooster on February 01, 2012, 05:27:41 pm
^  Harry sounds as though he spouting propaganda and trying to convince everyone, including himself. 


Title: Re: Charles&Diana's Marriage
Post by: Alexandrine on February 01, 2012, 05:39:03 pm
If William had been happy with his "new" family, he wouldn't have need the Midds.


Title: Re: Charles&Diana's Marriage
Post by: sandy on February 01, 2012, 05:58:07 pm
I think Harry was bending over backwards to please Dear Old Dad.  I don't think they consider Camilla a "mother figure" since she didn't raise them and they were grown ups when Dad married her. And William and Harry did seek surrogate families via the Middletons and Davys respectively. William even said to call Mr Middleton "Dad." But I think Harry and William for the sake of harmony accepted Camilla --I honestly don't think they had much of a choice considering their needy father.

Harry doesn't seem to dote on his stepmother. She was absent when Harry came home from Afghanistan--only William and Charles came to meet him. William appeared at a supper with Camilla and her children. Harry never was shown in an famille event. The boys probably forgive but don't forget. IMO anyway

No mention of Camilla was made at W and K's engagement interview.

Harry paid a tribute to his mother on his 18th birthday saying she was an example to him re: charity work and he spoke up for her during the Matt Lauer interview. I think perhaps Dad didn't care much for that and "suggested" he honor his stepmother at his 21st birthday. I notice Charles also wanted to see the speech Harry wrote at Diana's Memorial service --he asked to see it right in front of the cameras. I think there is some insecurity there but the airbrushing out of Diana certainly is not on W and H's agendas.


Title: Re: Charles&Diana's Marriage
Post by: sandy on February 01, 2012, 06:15:46 pm
Harry's interview: http://articles.cnn.com/2002-09-15/world/uk.royal_1_prince-harry-birthday-arms?_s=PM:WORLD

Harry's tribute to his mother at Memorial Service
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/1561765/Prince-Harry-leads-tributes-at-Diana-memorial.html



Title: Re: Charles&Diana's Marriage
Post by: Jane23 on February 01, 2012, 07:36:57 pm
Sight why can't they love both their parents and like Camilla at the same time? I am sure they are capable of it .


Title: Re: Charles&Diana's Marriage
Post by: Jane23 on February 01, 2012, 07:39:32 pm
Harry's interview: http://articles.cnn.com/2002-09-15/world/uk.royal_1_prince-harry-birthday-arms?_s=PM:WORLD

Harry's tribute to his mother at Memorial Service
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/1561765/Prince-Harry-leads-tributes-at-Diana-memorial.html



What has this anything to do with what I posted? Who said he doesn't love his mother? SHE IS HIS MOTHER for the  love of God why can't Diana fans handle the Triangle of Bermuda as well as William and Harry have?


Title: Re: Charles&Diana's Marriage
Post by: sandy on February 01, 2012, 07:42:18 pm
She is not the Bermuda Triangle which is a geographic location in the world. She was a person and mother of two of the most famous people on the planet who yes do talk about her publicly. I t hink it disrespectful to dismiss Diana this way. I don't get the comparison to the Bermuda Triangle jane. How do we know they 'love' Camilla or how they feel about her privately for that matter. They may be cordial to her for the sake of their father but I don't think it a great love fest. I think they love their father and are cordial to her for his sake. Comparing her to the Bermuda Triangle just illustrates the negativity you have towards her. If someone said this to William and harry I think they'd say Huh?!

I would hardly compare the feelings the boys have for their parents Diana and Charles to how they feel about Camilla. Their feelings for their mother are light years away from however they feel about their stepmother-saying they love Camilla as much as their  mother and father I think is insulting to Charles and Diana.. Camilla didn't raise them, their father married her when they were grown ups and they have their own lives now.

No matter how much some hope and pray Diana is airbrushed out and dismissed as a Bermuda Triangle, she is always going to be  prominent  and she is greatly missed.

I have every right to post my links. It compares the throwaway comments Harry made about his Stepmother to his heartfelt and genuine tributes to his much loved mother.

As i said, I think they forgive but don't forget.


Title: Re: Charles&Diana's Marriage
Post by: Jane23 on February 01, 2012, 10:27:36 pm
^Prince Charles, Diana, Camilla = Triangle of Bermuda (I though everybody would get it) given that Camilla is their stepmother and has a very specific place in their life and was introduced to Will in 1997 ( he was 15) and Harry in 1999 ( he was 14) to say she wasn't there while they were growing up is incorrect (Harry said she was)...besides that as I said Will and Harry have a heart big enough for all three of them Charles, Diana , Camilla I don't see why loving their mother means they can't forget what role Camilla played in their family's history and that they can't like her that would be incorrect too like Harry in his own words explained especially if you take into consideration they would have her as a stepmother no matter what even if Diana lived .You can ignore what Harry said it's a free world but he did say it and it is on video ...


Title: Re: Charles&Diana's Marriage
Post by: Tatiana on February 02, 2012, 01:31:51 am

   This all reminds me of someone.. the butler to The Dowager Duchess of Rutland... who "hated" Diana with a great passion, as much as he loved Camz with a great passion.

   Sad little man.

    I doubt Diana has been anywhere near Bermuda ..  :tehe:  I can hear her giggling now.

    It was a triangle that was terribly painful to all concerned, except perhaps to Camilla who got what she wanted.

    William and Harry have not finished their say.. and we shall see when their Dad pops his clogs what they really think.. until then, they are doing their duty ... the jury is still out.

     William hates to make waves.. Harry, on the other hand, does not rush to stand by Camilla in photographs or events... body language speaks loudly IMO.
   


Title: Re: Charles&Diana's Marriage
Post by: sandy on February 02, 2012, 02:17:06 am
^Prince Charles, Diana, Camilla = Triangle of Bermuda (I though everybody would get it) given that Camilla is their stepmother and has a very specific place in their life and was introduced to Will in 1997 ( he was 15) and Harry in 1999 ( he was 14) to say she wasn't there while they were growing up is incorrect (Harry said she was)...besides that as I said Will and Harry have a heart big enough for all three of them Charles, Diana , Camilla I don't see why loving their mother means they can't forget what role Camilla played in their family's history and that they can't like her that would be incorrect too like Harry in his own words explained especially if you take into consideration they would have her as a stepmother no matter what even if Diana lived .You can ignore what Harry said it's a free world but he did say it and it is on video ...

There is no recrod of Harry saying Camilla was around when he was growing up. Charles had by all accounts respected  Diana's wishes about not having the boys around Camilla when they were growing up. She said that she didn't  want the boys to see Camilla coming out of Charles' bedroom in the morning.  THe boys were sent on Summer vacations (after the separation) with their father in Scotland--back then the Queen Mum was alive and by all accounts did not want Camilla around.  Diana would have hit the ceiling if Camilla played "Mum" to her sons when she played hostess at Highgrove. That's something even Camilla never dared to do while Diana was still alive. Besides which for much of the time the boys grew up Camilla was married to APB and had children of her own.

Harry and William were duly reported by the press at being present at the November 1998 50th birthday party for Charles. SO Harry met Camilla in n1998. Much ado was made about Camilla being invited to tea earler in 1998. It is all in the literature

I think both Harry and William accepted Camilla for their dad's sake. I don't think they see her as a "second Mum" but as the woman their father married, his second wife.


Title: Re: Charles&Diana's Marriage
Post by: Jane23 on February 02, 2012, 08:34:50 am
^He would have married her anyways and how Diana felled about it would have meant nothing Camilla would have still been in William and Harry's life as their stepmother no matter what even if Diana lived plus wouldn't that be hypocritical of Diana? She forced Doti on the poor little boys there are reports they wanted to leave when she forced them to vacation with him and his family...


Title: Re: Charles&Diana's Marriage
Post by: sandy on February 02, 2012, 02:42:15 pm
Jane i suggest you do some research. The "poor little boys" had the time of their lives and for only part of the vacation was Dodi even there and not yet involved with Diana. She didn't "force" Dodi on the boys. Dodi's father a close friend of Diana's father and stepmother (Raine worked for Al Fayed at Harrod's) invited Diana and the boys to go on a vacation cruise. There are plenty of pics of the boys swimming and going jet skiing with their mother and the Fayed children. They didn't look miserable to me. This was approved by the Queen when Diana asked permission to take the boys. Mohammed Al Fayed had a wife and four children who were close to William and Harry's age. It was a family style vacation. Dodi was invited by his father to join the group later and Diana had nothing to do with inviting Dodi . The romance started After William and Harry left to join their father in Scotland . By all accounts the boys did enjoy the yacht cruise. Instead of saying these things that Dodi was "forced" on the boys why not do some research instead of trying to rewrite what actually happened.

Of course Charles would have married Camllla anyway. However, I don't think Charles would have been able to use the boys in his spin to get Camilla accepted the way he did after Diana died.


Title: Re: Charles&Diana's Marriage
Post by: Jane23 on February 02, 2012, 05:20:40 pm
^If you say so.


Title: Re: Charles&Diana's Marriage
Post by: sandy on February 02, 2012, 05:47:42 pm
It's not Me that says so it's in the literature and contemporary accounts of when it all happened. Raine Spencer did work for harrod's and was a friend of Al Fayed's. Diana's father was friendly with Al Fayed. So Diana didn't pick up some random  man and "inflicted him" upon the "poor boys."  The boys were already acquainted with the senior Al Fayed via their grandfather's connection to him. You make a pleasant vacation sound like they were on Devil's Island and Diana "forced this on them." I wish someone would force a nice luxury yacht trip on me sometime.


Title: Re: Charles&Diana's Marriage
Post by: Jane23 on February 02, 2012, 06:57:09 pm
^I was just saying that Diana took the boys on a vacation with a man she was involved with months after the divorce so she stood no ground saying anything about Prince Charles having Camilla with him when he was with the boys.
Ps: "Triangle of Bermuda" is used now for triangles since Jennifer Aniston famously called herself Angelina a Brad "Triangle of Bermuda"  :tehe: (love her  :newyear:).


Title: Re: Charles&Diana's Marriage
Post by: sandy on February 02, 2012, 08:27:16 pm
Again check the sources. Diana was just coming out of a relationship with Hasnet Khan ca. 1997. She went to the al Fayed yacht because she wanted to spend time with the boys on a vacation. She was not "involved" with Dodi Fayed when she and the boys went on the yacht.  In fact he was not even on the yacht when Diana and sons arrived. Look it up.

So Charles had a very public birthday  party for Camilla "months after the divorce" (actually it was 11 months). Diana started her involvement with Dodi about a year after the divorce.  Why is it "wrong" for Diana to be involved with someone after she divorced when Charles gets a free pass and no tsk tsking over him. Double standard? And I doubt Charles had a "mourning period" after the divorce, by all accounts he was spending time with Camilla. Diana had just as much right to see others publicly and "date"   as Charles did now that both were divorced.


Title: Re: Charles&Diana's Marriage
Post by: Jane23 on February 02, 2012, 10:45:54 pm
^Nothing wrong with Di having relationships after the divorce Lord knows her marriage had been dead since 1986 it's having the children involved so soon after the divorce I have a problem with since William and Harry were no where near Camilla's party I don't see why I or anyone else should have a problem with it  :-.


Title: Re: Charles&Diana's Marriage
Post by: Ivy on February 04, 2012, 11:31:31 pm
Again check the sources. Diana was just coming out of a relationship with Hasnet Khan ca. 1997. She went to the al Fayed yacht because she wanted to spend time with the boys on a vacation. She was not "involved" with Dodi Fayed when she and the boys went on the yacht.  In fact he was not even on the yacht when Diana and sons arrived. Look it up.

So Charles had a very public birthday  party for Camilla "months after the divorce" (actually it was 11 months). Diana started her involvement with Dodi about a year after the divorce.  Why is it "wrong" for Diana to be involved with someone after she divorced when Charles gets a free pass and no tsk tsking over him. Double standard? And I doubt Charles had a "mourning period" after the divorce, by all accounts he was spending time with Camilla. Diana had just as much right to see others publicly and "date"   as Charles did now that both were divorced.

What was awful about the Dodi affair was that shortly after having her children meet Dodi, she was indiscreet about her affair. All those pictures of Dodi and Diana kissing in their swimsuits would be incredibly embarrassing to a mother's children. IMO, it is ten times worse than a father throwing a birthday party for his girlfriend. At least, his kids weren't blindsided and were aware of the importance of Camilla in their father's life. Camilla wasn't a fling like Dodi clearly was.


Title: Re: Charles&Diana's Marriage
Post by: sandy on February 05, 2012, 01:59:18 am
Ivy,Diana and Dodi are dead and gone so it is pure speculation about what would have happened to them. How they felt went with them to their graves. Speculation can take place ad infinitum but for obvious reasons it is not known how it would have turned out. Diana was divorced and could date.  THere is nothing "clear" about it being a fling since the two died very tragically before any conclusions could be drawn.

There seems to be a double standard at work here. I am wondering why it wasn't "embarrassing" for the boys to hear their father saying he  wanted to be reincarnated as a box of Camilla's personal products. Or blindsided by seeing Camilla grinning ear to ear wearing a diamond necklace Charles gifted on her. They did not go to the birthday party for her. You can think it 10x worse but it is a matter of opinion.

And it isn't "sinful" to kiss someone in bathing attire. There are pics of William and Kate in bathing suits (Kate in bikini) while they were dating and they were pictured being affectionate with each other. I doubt Harry and others would have been "blindsided" or "shocked" by this--seeing his brother wearing bathing trunks kissng his bikini clad girlfriend. Or is Diana the only one not alowed to do this

Also their mother was divorced and she could date and she was seen kissing her boyfriend. Lots of people kiss each oher when they are dating. It's not like they were in some sort of lurid photograph together. I think if they want "Papa" to be happy I think they would have wanted their mother to find happiness too. My take on ths is that Diana was fond of Dodi but I don't think she was ready for marriage yet and if she wanted to find someone to marry she shouldn't sit home while her ex had lavish parties for Camilla. But since the two are dead nobody will ever know how DOdi and Diana felt about each other, whether Diana thought it a "fling" or if they would have stayed together or broken up. But I am glad Diana did date and did move on and not sit home crying her eyes out over Charles birthday party for Camilla. SOme fairness is indicated here.


Title: Re: Charles&Diana's Marriage
Post by: Ivy on February 05, 2012, 02:45:59 pm
Ivy,Diana and Dodi are dead and gone so it is pure speculation about what would have happened to them. How they felt went with them to their graves. Speculation can take place ad infinitum but for obvious reasons it is not known how it would have turned out. Diana was divorced and could date.  THere is nothing "clear" about it being a fling since the two died very tragically before any conclusions could be drawn.
Would you prefer that the Dodi affair was serious? He was a sleazebag from a family whose fortune was made selling arms, including land mines. The Dodi affair  reflected poorly on Diana. This was also the first affair that Diana went public with. She didn't do that with Hasnat Khan which was still going on after the divorce. She kept that one secret. I didn't say anything about her not dating after the divorce.
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There seems to be a double standard at work here. I am wondering why it wasn't "embarrassing" for the boys to hear their father saying he  wanted to be reincarnated as a box of Camilla's personal products. Or blind sided by seeing Camilla grinning ear to ear wearing a diamond necklace Charles gifted on her. They did not go to the birthday party for her. You can think it 10x worse but it is a matter of opinion.
I am sure they found it mortifying, but come on. Their intimate phone call was leaked by someone. Do you really think Charles and Camilla wanted their private talk broadcast to the entire world. Why should Wm. and Harry be upset about their father giving his girlfriend jewellery? His parents barely got along with each other. By the time of necklace they may have been separated or divorced. Why would children go to a birthday party for adults with no other children present?

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And it isn't "sinful" to kiss someone in bathing attire. There are pics of William and Kate in bathing suits (Kate in bikini) while they were dating and they were pictured being affectionate with each other. I doubt Harry and others would have been "blindsided" or "shocked" by this--seeing his brother wearing bathing trunks kissng his bikini clad girlfriend. Or is Diana the only one not alowed to do this

Also their mother was divorced and she could date and she was seen kissing her boyfriend. Lots of people kiss each oher when they are dating. It's not like they were in some sort of lurid photograph together. I think if they want "Papa" to be happy I think they would have wanted their mother to find happiness too. My take on ths is that Diana was fond of Dodi but I don't think she was ready for marriage yet and if she wanted to find someone to marry she shouldn't sit home while her ex had lavish parties for Camilla. But since the two are dead nobody will ever know how DOdi and Diana felt about each other, whether Diana thought it a "fling" or if they would have stayed together or broken up. But I am glad Diana did date and did move on and not sit home crying her eyes out over Charles birthday party for Camilla. SOme fairness is indicated here.
I never said that Diana couldn't have affairs or kiss her boyfriend while in her bathing suit. The sticking point is that she was INDISCREET! Good luck defending the Dodi affair. She was going downhill getting involved with that family. I always got the sense that she got involved with Dodi because he was the first available single man. She was in a lot of pain seeing Charles and Camilla so happy. I don't blame her. It wasn't 2 people divorcing because they were incompatible, but also because one partner found someone else he was madly in love with.

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Title: Re: Charles&Diana's Marriage
Post by: Jane23 on February 05, 2012, 07:13:04 pm
Double standard ? Diana had vacation with her new man and the boys but Prince Charles keeps Camilla afar away from the boys as long as possible and still he is the bad guy? LOL Of course no double standards applied there (roll eyes) no one is objecting to Saint Diana  :newyear: having boyfriends but having Doti anywhere them so soon after the divorce was premature that all us "Charles lover" are saying...


Title: Re: Charles&Diana's Marriage
Post by: rogue on February 05, 2012, 09:19:16 pm
He kept the boys far away from Camilla  :laugh: His entire life has revolved around Camilla, he spend more time with her than with his own two sons.He put her first.He made them accept the mistress that had broke their mothers hart.Thats far worse than Diana being involved with Dodi.


Title: Re: Charles&Diana's Marriage
Post by: mississippigirl on February 05, 2012, 09:52:39 pm
I think Charles has to take the majority of the blame because he was older. He was over thirty at the time not exactly a twenty yearold.  In my opinion to me it seems that the younger generations are more interested in Celebrities than royalty.  They feel that a celebrity has just as much material things as royalty and the younger generation doesnt respect institutions like we did in the past. 


Title: Re: Charles&Diana's Marriage
Post by: Jane23 on February 05, 2012, 10:11:18 pm
He kept the boys far away from Camilla  :laugh: His entire life has revolved around Camilla, he spend more time with her than with his own two sons.He put her first.He made them accept the mistress that had broke their mothers hart.Thats far worse than Diana being involved with Dodi.
He wanted to marry Camilla how do you think he should have went about things (Diana or no Diana) ? Not introduce her to them at all ?  :tehe: Seems to me the man can't win with some no matter what ...


Title: Re: Charles&Diana's Marriage
Post by: sandy on February 06, 2012, 03:50:13 am
Ivy,Diana and Dodi are dead and gone so it is pure speculation about what would have happened to them. How they felt went with them to their graves. Speculation can take place ad infinitum but for obvious reasons it is not known how it would have turned out. Diana was divorced and could date.  THere is nothing "clear" about it being a fling since the two died very tragically before any conclusions could be drawn.
Would you prefer that the Dodi affair was serious? He was a sleazebag from a family whose fortune was made selling arms, including land mines. The Dodi affair  reflected poorly on Diana. This was also the first affair that Diana went public with. She didn't do that with Hasnat Khan which was still going on after the divorce. She kept that one secret. I didn't say anything about her not dating after the divorce.
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There seems to be a double standard at work here. I am wondering why it wasn't "embarrassing" for the boys to hear their father saying he  wanted to be reincarnated as a box of Camilla's personal products. Or blind sided by seeing Camilla grinning ear to ear wearing a diamond necklace Charles gifted on her. They did not go to the birthday party for her. You can think it 10x worse but it is a matter of opinion.
I am sure they found it mortifying, but come on. Their intimate phone call was leaked by someone. Do you really think Charles and Camilla wanted their private talk broadcast to the entire world. Why should Wm. and Harry be upset about their father giving his girlfriend jewellery? His parents barely got along with each other. By the time of necklace they may have been separated or divorced. Why would children go to a birthday party for adults with no other children present?

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And it isn't "sinful" to kiss someone in bathing attire. There are pics of William and Kate in bathing suits (Kate in bikini) while they were dating and they were pictured being affectionate with each other. I doubt Harry and others would have been "blindsided" or "shocked" by this--seeing his brother wearing bathing trunks kissng his bikini clad girlfriend. Or is Diana the only one not alowed to do this

Also their mother was divorced and she could date and she was seen kissing her boyfriend. Lots of people kiss each oher when they are dating. It's not like they were in some sort of lurid photograph together. I think if they want "Papa" to be happy I think they would have wanted their mother to find happiness too. My take on ths is that Diana was fond of Dodi but I don't think she was ready for marriage yet and if she wanted to find someone to marry she shouldn't sit home while her ex had lavish parties for Camilla. But since the two are dead nobody will ever know how DOdi and Diana felt about each other, whether Diana thought it a "fling" or if they would have stayed together or broken up. But I am glad Diana did date and did move on and not sit home crying her eyes out over Charles birthday party for Camilla. SOme fairness is indicated here.
I never said that Diana couldn't have affairs or kiss her boyfriend while in her bathing suit. The sticking point is that she was INDISCREET! Good luck defending the Dodi affair. She was going downhill getting involved with that family. I always got the sense that she got involved with Dodi because he was the first available single man. She was in a lot of pain seeing Charles and Camilla so happy. I don't blame her. It wasn't 2 people divorcing because they were incompatible, but also because one partner found someone else he was madly in love with.

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Read my post I said nobody can ever know how the relationship would have turned out because the two died. It is immaterial how you project my "feelings" about them which are irrevelant since neither you nor I can possibly know how it would have all turned out.

Hasnet Khan was not exactly secret. People knew about him at the time. He did not want to go public and probably knew he was not going to marry Diana. So Diana moved on. Women do this when they date and after her horrible marriage to Charles I doubt Diana would go rushing into another marriage but that didn't mean she didn't want to remarry at all (once she found the rght person).  BTW DIana did want to go public when Hasnet did not  and after a while she dropped him.

How was Diana "indiscreet". WOuld you want her to wear a mu mu or not go to the top deck of a ship. She was the most photographed woman in the world. Even WIlliam and Kate got photographed on a yacht  wearing bathing attire and being affectionate with each oher would you call them "indiscreet" or just DIana.

Camilla's party took place in the first marital home of Charles and Diana and where the boys grew up. Diana even decorated Highgrove as a young bride. Perhaps she found Charles flauntng Camilla there of all places in rather bad taste.

Diana did not go after "the firist available single man." You make her sound like some sort of desperate reject when she was one of the most iconic women in the world. She wanted to date and didn't "go after" Dodi, from what I read he pursued her because she was a desireable woman.


Title: Re: Charles&Diana's Marriage
Post by: leogirl on February 06, 2012, 05:23:22 am
I am in my 20's and I care about what Camilla and Charles did. Diana, too, to some extent, but she was tricked into the marriage thinking her fiance loved her and would be faithful to her. And her husband left their marital bed and started ignoring her for mistresses after Harry was born; she had nothing to work with. Don't get me wrong, cheating isn't okay, but I can understand why she did what she did. If it were me, I would have filed for an annulment (fraud), but she had her boys to think about.

Some people don't remember, that is true, but you cannot forgive someone who isn't sorry for what they did. Charles had a pity party, and Camilla got what she wanted, title and all. Diana wasn't perfect, either, but at least she admitted 50% of the blame for the breakup of the marriage. She took ownership of what she did. Charles and Camilla decide to spin in their favor to sugar-coat and rewrite history.


Title: Re: Charles&Diana's Marriage
Post by: Jane23 on February 06, 2012, 12:02:52 pm
^Prince Charles and Camilla can't rewrite history what Diana said about them is everywhere for eternity so I don't get what you mean by that...no history is being rewritten by "Charles lovers" DIANA herself said Camilla was always there and there was three of them in that relationship so I don't get what you mean with "she was tricked into marriage and though Prince Charles loved her" either (you will have to explain it to me like I was a child) seems to me you are doing a little history rewriting yourself  :cookie:.


Title: Re: Charles&Diana's Marriage
Post by: sandy on February 06, 2012, 02:24:20 pm
Diana said  publiclythere were three of them in the marriage ( in 1995 during the interview)--she learned this the hard way. She told Morton she found out after the marriage and on the honeymoon that Charles had no intention of having Camilla totally out of his life (she sent him cufflinks on his honeymoon with Diana). Diana was 19 when this dazzling older man courted her and the press had the stories that Charles married "safe" women friends Camilla and Kanga approved or disapproved of his girlfriends. Back then I think Diana saw Camilla as Charles' "safe married friend" and was pleased (at first) that Camilla appeared to be taking her under her wing. Later on  during the engagement Diana got suspicious of Camilla's motives. Diana at the time of the marriage ceremony believed that Charles would say goodbye to Camilla after he took vows in Church to be faithful and true husband to Diana. She trusted Charles and believed they would be together. She told Morton she felt herself "the luckiest girl in the world" to be marrying Charles and thought of Camilla "well that's over." I think she truly believed in Charles and his being honorable. I think the onus was on Charles because he later said he really didn't love Diana but was "forced" to marry her. He apparently didn't share this little tidbit of info with Diana who really thought he loved her. I think he wanted heirs, t he suitable wife and the mistress and thought Diana would understand he had "special needs".

I agree with leogirl, history is being rewritten. The Great Thirty Year love story of C and C to me is a farce since Charles was serious about other women, and while he was with the Great Love, he was cheating on her with Janet Jenkins. Camilla was married and could not be "faithful" to Charles while married to another man and even having his children. Also, the propaganda is out there trashing Diana unmercifully. Even today that Bedell Smith person is blatantly anti Diana and I don't think the Palace and Charles mind because it whitewashes what C and C did. She gratuitously skewers Diana in her book about the Queen.


Title: Re: Charles&Diana's Marriage
Post by: Jane23 on February 06, 2012, 05:44:50 pm
^The man said "Whatever love means" when asked if he was in love with her in front of the world and you are saying she thought he was madly in love with her? Aren't we over reaching there? I mean if he said that on camera for the world imagine how it was behind close doors...what propaganda? Not Prince Charles fault not everyone worships Diana.


Title: Re: Charles&Diana's Marriage
Post by: sandy on February 06, 2012, 06:17:53 pm
I read that Diana thought at the time he was being "deep" when he said "whatever in love means." She saw him as an intellectual and it was not a deal breaker for her. She thought that if he proposed to her and married her he loved her which I consider quite reasonable.

If you look at the engagement interview pics Charles was openly affectionate with Diana, hugging her putting his arm around her and he didn't stand there like some sort of a statue chanting whatever love means. He also gave her an engagement ring and proposed to her.

If  the marriage didn't break up, nobody would talk about Charles saying "whatever in love means." Back then it was insignificant and people didn't collectively say well he's not in love with her. People thought it a fairy tale back then.


Title: Re: Charles&Diana's Marriage
Post by: sandy on February 06, 2012, 06:27:59 pm
http://www.google.com/imgres?q=diana+charles+engagement&hl=en&biw=1024&bih=583&gbv=2&tbm=isch&tbnid=1rciKLZmB-JEGM:&imgrefurl=http://www.pricescope.com/blog/prince-william-and-kate-middleton-engaged&docid=hCfl9raU6EE-BM&imgurl=http://www.pricescope.com/files/blog/princess-diana-prince-charles-engagement-ring.jpg&w=300&h=387&ei=MRswT5rpMOXV0QGetoGUCw&zoom=1&iact=hc&vpx=359&vpy=192&dur=905&hovh=255&hovw=198&tx=119&ty=182&sig=118352125524310979063&page=1&tbnh=117&tbnw=103&start=0&ndsp=19&ved=1t:429,r:8,s:0

One engagement pic


Title: Re: Charles&Diana's Marriage
Post by: Jane23 on February 06, 2012, 07:09:43 pm
^If my man responded like that when asked if he loves me lets just say he wouldn't be my man anymore...


Title: Re: Charles&Diana's Marriage
Post by: sandy on February 06, 2012, 07:52:38 pm
Diana still believed he loved her and she did say she loved him. One can't project one's own feelings into another. Life isn't like that. I'm going by what Diana related to Morton. She thought the man loved her and even in Morrton didn't say she was "shocked" by Charles saying whatever in love means.


Title: Re: Charles&Diana's Marriage
Post by: Jane23 on February 06, 2012, 10:34:41 pm
Yep every girl would feel the "love" if her man answered like that to the question if he loves her.


Title: Re: Charles&Diana's Marriage
Post by: sandy on February 07, 2012, 01:52:25 am
I'm wondering  why Diana is censured for accepting Charles proposal yet Charles gets a free pass for saying whatever in love means. Why not knock Charles for courting and proposing to young Lady Diana when he said later he was "forced" to marry her. Charles was openly affecionate with his fiancee at the time It was not as if he didin't show affection. Plus I think Charles sweet talked Diana so she truly believed he was in love with her. YOu have no idea what went on with them when they were alone or what they said. At the time it was thought Charles was being philosophical about the nature of love and there was no outcry of OOOHH Charles doesn't love his fiancee.


Title: Re: Charles&Diana's Marriage
Post by: leogirl on February 07, 2012, 09:09:34 am
It's not what you say, but how you say it. He was being affectionate with her at the time, and phrases can mean different things. "Whatever love means" => we are obviously in love, you're being silly asking that, just making a snide comment to the reporters asking a stupid question (love can mean so many different things, many ways to love someone), etc. The world seemed to eat it up and think of it as a fairy tale wedding, so obviously they didn't see the hidden meaning behind his words, only his affection toward her. I think Diana did have a small clue, but the announcements were out, money spent on the wedding... it was too late and she thought Charles would be honorable and leave his bachelor lifestyle behind after marriage.

Also, recall that Diana was only 19 (teenage girl) at the time of the engagement, and just four weeks past her 20th birthday at the time of her wedding. She was VERY young, and sometimes being in love blinds young people to the "big picture."


Title: Re: Charles&Diana's Marriage
Post by: Jane23 on February 07, 2012, 06:45:26 pm
^I think he was saying he loved her but wasn't IN LOVE with her or at least that is what I get from his words ...as for Diana  she was 19 not stupid by the time she was organizing the wedding Camilla was on her sh!t list :catfight:.


Title: Re: Charles&Diana's Marriage
Post by: Tatiana on February 07, 2012, 07:12:18 pm


        Here is something written by Mary Quant about Diana.. her marriage .. and her life after.

                  MY DIVORCE SUMMIT WITH DIANA
It was novelist Shirley Conran’s idea. To help Princess Diana decide what she could or should do after her divorce from Prince Charles, she brought together five wise women in April 1997.
The other four women were: historian Lady Antonia Fraser, novelist and screenwriter Lynda La Plante, actress Siân Phillips and me. Shirley filled us in on the brief and we waited outside the restaurant Le Caprice in London’s West End for Diana to arrive.
As the Princess stepped down from her car, Shirley did a magnificently correct curtsey to the floor. The restaurant was electrified; but as most of the diners were British, they were determined not to show this.
Of course, before meeting Diana, we’d all realised what an impossible position she was in — but it was only after listening to her that we discovered it was actually disastrous.
She was trapped, she told us. She could never take another husband or she would lose her children.
Any man in the world would happily have lunch with her, but none would dare launch into a full public affair. It would be tantamount to treason.

Furthermore, the state would ensure the safety of her children only at the royal palaces, and would not allow them to live anywhere else. So if she left the country, she would also lose her children.
Five wise women went home wiser.
Diana died four months later.


Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/femail/article-2097453/Mary-Quant--Why-Princess-Margaret-thought-I-sleeping-Lord-Snowdon.html#ixzz1liooQ7Ni


     The only man who would openly date Diana was Dodi .. please note how is name is spelled, and she told Rosa Monkton she had no intention of marrying him.... the boys had a wonderful holiday with the Al Fayed's.. long time family friends. 


Title: Re: Charles&Diana's Marriage
Post by: sandy on February 07, 2012, 07:20:22 pm
^I think he was saying he loved her but wasn't IN LOVE with her or at least that is what I get from his words ...as for Diana  she was 19 not stupid by the time she was organizing the wedding Camilla was on her sh!t list :catfight:.

Back then nobody saw anything sinister about what he said. I think that because the marriage broke up this statement was revisited by writers and commentators. I think it can be said only Charles knew what he meant when he said it. Charles went in for philosophy and shared "words of wisdom" with gurus such as Van Der Post--I think at the time people thought he was being philosophical. My take on it anyway. One writer interpreted it as he would show Diana what love is (from early book Charles and Diana). Charles brought Van Der Post books for Diana to read on the honeymoon maybe he wanted her to get the philosophical concept of "whatever love is."

Camilla may have made her "list" but Charles wasn't on it. Apparently she loved and admired and looked up to him. She told Morton she thought he  was in love with her. And she told Morton and Bashir she was very much in love with him. Being in love with somebody, particularly a first love, can make a person so starry eyed that they just see the positives.


Title: Re: Charles&Diana's Marriage
Post by: Jane23 on February 07, 2012, 07:37:05 pm
^You buy everything Diana said don't you?


Title: Re: Charles&Diana's Marriage
Post by: Tatiana on February 07, 2012, 08:06:02 pm
     Not at all .. I know people who were there... I read a great deal .. and I dont "buy" the tripe that is put out by C.H., and it's sychophants.... and most people dont either.


Title: Re: Charles&Diana's Marriage
Post by: sandy on February 07, 2012, 08:24:56 pm
^You buy everything Diana said don't you?

Do you believe everything Charles said? BTW the subject is a discussion of what Charles meant. I said only he knows when he said whatever love means. What has that to do with what "Diana said." Diana apparently didn't think what he said a huge issue via her words to Morton and Bashir. She didn't even mention this to Bashir and barely mentioned it to Morton.


Title: Re: Charles&Diana's Marriage
Post by: Jane23 on February 07, 2012, 08:55:22 pm
^You see it's a he said/she said thing the truth is in the middle if you want to take as gospel everything Diana ever said please be my guest it's a fee world.


Title: Re: Charles&Diana's Marriage
Post by: Tatiana on February 07, 2012, 09:11:52 pm
     fee ?

  Fee-fi-fo-fum,
I smell the blood of an Englishman,
Be he alive, or be he dead
I'll have his bones to grind my bread   :tehe:


Title: Re: Charles&Diana's Marriage
Post by: YooperModerator on February 07, 2012, 10:42:51 pm
 ^ ???
You ok hon? :-
Didn't know you were a poet?! lol
A bit of a dark rhyme but oh well.. ;)


Title: Re: Charles&Diana's Marriage
Post by: Alexandrine on February 07, 2012, 11:13:02 pm
Sounds like a very bloody scottish song.  :Carole:



Title: Re: Charles&Diana's Marriage
Post by: Ivy on February 08, 2012, 12:08:28 am
Read my post I said nobody can ever know how the relationship would have turned out because the two died. It is immaterial how you project my "feelings" about them which are irrevelant since neither you nor I can possibly know how it would have all turned out.
--Whether the affair was a fling or something more serious, the affair reflects poorly on Diana. 

Hasnet Khan was not exactly secret. People knew about him at the time. He did not want to go public and probably knew he was not going to marry Diana. So Diana moved on. Women do this when they date and after her horrible marriage to Charles I doubt Diana would go rushing into another marriage but that didn't mean she didn't want to remarry at all (once she found the rght person).  BTW DIana did want to go public when Hasnet did not  and after a while she dropped him.
--So, the affair with Khan was not public, but "people" knew about him at the time. Diana chased Khan relentlessly. She befriended his family in England (it's a pattern with her; she did the same thing with Hewitt). During the trip to Pakistan, she went and met his family without telling him. That's pretty manipulative. BTW, how do you know what was going on between them. Sounds like some mind-reading going on. ;)


How was Diana "indiscreet". WOuld you want her to wear a mu mu or not go to the top deck of a ship. She was the most photographed woman in the world. Even WIlliam and Kate got photographed on a yacht  wearing bathing attire and being affectionate with each oher would you call them "indiscreet" or just DIana.
-Diana was indiscreet because she publicly flaunted her affair when she could have kept it on the down low and protected her children from the embarassment. Diana was quite selfish in doing photocalls with Dodi and letting everyone know this was a sexual relationship. No kid wants to know about their parents' sex life and worst of all have the entire world know including their friends.


Camilla's party took place in the first marital home of Charles and Diana and where the boys grew up. Diana even decorated Highgrove as a young bride. Perhaps she found Charles flauntng Camilla there of all places in rather bad taste.
-Relationships end. And things change. The marriage was over. They were divorced when Charles threw the 50th birthday party for Camilla.  After the separation was announced, Charles asked Camila to redecorate the house in the style they like. Charles and Camilla are couple. During the marital discord, Charles made Highgrove his base and Diana made Kensington Palace hers.



Diana did not go after "the firist available single man." You make her sound like some sort of desperate reject when she was one of the most iconic women in the world. She wanted to date and didn't "go after" Dodi, from what I read he pursued her because she was a desireable woman.
--She probably didn't go after Dodi, but she accepted his overtures. He was a sleazy guy with a cocaine habit. His father created a fortune selling arms. Poor Diana could not see that she was being used by Fayed Sr. He was found to have bribed many members of Parliament. He was a pariah witht the Establishment. I think part of the attraction to Dodi was to stick it to the Establishment.

And Diana was NOT a desperate reject. I think she was really hurting. It must of finally hit her that Charles would never love her. Even if Camilla was not in the picture, I think he would have left her anyways. They just weren't meant to be together.


Title: Re: Charles&Diana's Marriage
Post by: sandy on February 08, 2012, 02:14:21 am
Charles later admited he felt "forced" to marry Diana. I think it a cop out since at 32 I don't think he could be forced. He had no business marryiing Diana if he knew he didn't love her or felt he couldn't be without his mistress. That was just wrong. Charles should have been honest and not used Diana to produce his heirs which I think he saw as the main reason for the marriage. If he wanted a marriage of conveniece perhaps Camilla could have found someone who would lke the life of luxury but be willing o share Charles. Perhaps someone from the Highgrove set.

Why would Diana dating someone (she did not even get engaged to Dodi) reflect "badly" upon her. The poor woman is dead why throw stones at her for dating Dodi. I think it very judgmental and rather harsh. It was Diana's business and she was free to date. I doubt she was ready to remarry so what was she supposed to do sit home looking at her ex's photograph.

From what I read Hasnet did quite a lot of chasing himself. He admitted he cared a great deal for Diana and he would have private dinner dates with her at KP. He admitted that he did some pursung. HOnestly Ivy you continue to make Diana some desperate reject. She was perhaps one of the most desirable iconic women of her time. And how do you know how manipulative Diana was do you know what was going on in her mind. I perceive that she did nothing right in your eyes.

DOdi was not by all accounts doing "coke" when he dated Diana. His ex wife at the time he dated Diana had the nicest things to say about him. He had a father who perhaps overindulged him and he tried to get out of his father's shadow. I think you should be more charitable with Dodi, Ivy. The poor guy is dead after all.

I don't think a couple kissing publicly is an indicator that sex is necessarily going on. Unless Dodi and Diana were stark naked and something was "going on" how on earth do you know what actually happened between them. William and Kate kissed publicly on a yacht -while they dated and perhaps had something sexual going on. So what if they did. IT's the couple's business. Sarah Ferguson did have intimate pics that the paps took with her lover. Diana and Dodi's "kiss" was very very tame in comparison with Fergie's topless pics

How do you know William and Harry were embarrassed I don't think they thought their Mum would marry Dodi. Unless they had huge double standards abou Papa and Mama (Papa was living with his mistress and they knew he was involved with her) then they would have been hypocrites to rail about how pics of their mother sunbathing with her boyfriend arecc "lewd" . I guess their father wanting to be reincarnated as his mistress' personal products box is downrigh upright.

The point is Camilla WAS in the picture so how on earth do you know that perhaps without the mistress' interference maybe Diana and Charles could have had a shot at achieving a marriage. It is difficult for any woman whose husband has a possessive manipulative mistress lving within driving distance.

Of course Charles gets a free pass yet again.


Title: Re: Charles&Diana's Marriage
Post by: Kingdom Hearts on February 08, 2012, 03:57:13 am
tss tss...Diana confronted Camilla at a party she said to camii "don't make me out as a fool I know what is going on" and Charles was all over diana like a bad rash,both are at fault but Diana is at rest so she is not here to defend herself.
Has anyone here been in a horrid marriage?,better yet a royal one where you can't just pick up and leave,diana was worried about her children if she came out the wrong way the royals could say she was crazy and take the boys away.So just like Charles she had many affairs,she wasn't getting none from her hubby so she got some from some where else,wouldn't you?.Doing all that hard work and yet not being loved by your own husban.

google "Diana secret tapes" she gives alot of insight on her marriage and camilla that I saw and was stunned.
part1-6 and it was helpful for me to understand the situation alot more.


Title: Re: Charles&Diana's Marriage
Post by: Jane23 on February 08, 2012, 10:51:24 am
But why is it that Prince Charles is a monster for cheating but Diana cheats and all excuses in the world are made? If Diana cheated because she had an unhappy marriage and is excused for it why can't it be that her husband cheated because he was unhappy? I mean if being unhappy gives you a free pass for cheating on your spouse then Prince Charles should get a free pass too the man was unhappy .


Title: Re: Charles&Diana's Marriage
Post by: sandy on February 08, 2012, 02:43:21 pm
Well I see a lot of Camilla people giving her a free pass because APB cheated on her. Unlike Diana, Camilla could have gotten a divorce very easily and walked away. Diana was more or less stuck in the bad marriage which became a facade. Charles from what I read was not exactly outraged at Diana being with Hewitt--it gave him more time with Camilla without his wife' complaining abou it.


Title: Re: Charles&Diana's Marriage
Post by: milagro on February 08, 2012, 05:08:16 pm
But why is it that Prince Charles is a monster for cheating but Diana cheats and all excuses in the world are made? If Diana cheated because she had an unhappy marriage and is excused for it why can't it be that her husband cheated because he was unhappy? I mean if being unhappy gives you a free pass for cheating on your spouse then Prince Charles should get a free pass too the man was unhappy .
Because Charles started cheating first, and Diana didn't until he abandoned her. If Charles was unhappy it was entirely his own doing. As said above he was a grown man and should have known better than marry a woman whom he neither loved nor could be faithful to.


Title: Re: Charles&Diana's Marriage
Post by: Alexandrine on February 08, 2012, 05:27:20 pm
Wasn't Diana told by the DoE that she should limit the cheating in the family?

For me the problem is not cheating at all, but that Diana was very naive nineteen years old who was manipulated by C&C to marry.

Cheating is part of the aristo way of living but marry someone who wants to play the game not a child who think that is in love with you.


Title: Re: Charles&Diana's Marriage
Post by: Jane23 on February 08, 2012, 06:04:43 pm
But why is it that Prince Charles is a monster for cheating but Diana cheats and all excuses in the world are made? If Diana cheated because she had an unhappy marriage and is excused for it why can't it be that her husband cheated because he was unhappy? I mean if being unhappy gives you a free pass for cheating on your spouse then Prince Charles should get a free pass too the man was unhappy .
Because Charles started cheating first, and Diana didn't until he abandoned her. If Charles was unhappy it was entirely his own doing. As said above he was a grown man and should have known better than marry a woman whom he neither loved nor could be faithful to.
What is this kindergarten? He started cheating circa 1986 she started cheating in 1986 as well neither one is "better" than the other ...cheating is cheating end of story.


Title: Re: Charles&Diana's Marriage
Post by: sandy on February 08, 2012, 06:41:26 pm
Charles and APB and Camilla had this "arrangement" whereby Charles could be with Camilla and APB had his own extra marital affairs. I think if Charles and Camilla wanted to pick out his perfect wife, it would have been someone from the Highgrove set who knew the rules--she would play nice and be BFF with Camilla and be civilized about Charles being with Camilla.  I think it showed some naivete for C and C to think Diana would fall into line that way like APB did. I think Charles himself had a "concept" of marriage that may have looked good in his imagination but not in reality.


Title: Re: Charles&Diana's Marriage
Post by: Tatiana on February 08, 2012, 11:14:01 pm
^ ???
You ok hon? :-
Didn't know you were a poet?! lol
A bit of a dark rhyme but oh well.. ;)


In William Shakespeare's play King Lear, the character of Edgar exclaims:

Fee, foh, and fum,
I smell the blood of a British man.

 Since you used the word Fee.. I was wondering what you meant.

   Last time I looked The Bard was not a scot  lol


  Milagro . bless your heart .. " Because Charles started cheating first, and Diana didn't until he abandoned her. If Charles was unhappy it was entirely his own doing. As said above he was a grown man and should have known better than marry a woman whom he neither loved nor could be faithful to".  :thumbsup:

   ONE slight detail .. Camilla Parker Bowles began weekly telephone sessions with reporter/editor Stuart Higgins in 1982, telling him nasty anti Diana stuff .. if one believes that she and chucky were not doing the "Mr Wobbly hides his helmet" then, not till 1986 ...  then pray why would she do such a thing ????..... such a lovely woman isnt she .. :wopedo:

    


 


Title: Re: Charles&Diana's Marriage
Post by: YooperModerator on February 09, 2012, 12:11:14 am
Oh right... oops  :akasha:
Looks like I have to brush up on the classics huh  :tehe:
I know of Shakespeare of course, I know the general idea behind most of his works but I'm not familiar with any details of his plays really.
Since I was raised outside an English-speaking country I didn't read any of his work for literature in school, and I never good round it since. :shy:


Title: Re: Charles&Diana's Marriage
Post by: Tatiana on February 09, 2012, 01:25:09 am
 :tehe:


   Sarah Bradford wrote this in her book on Diana  .. She states this went on from 1982 (the year William was born) until the Wales announced they were separated.


  For years Camilla had secret --off-the-record telephone conversations with the editor of the Sun newspaper, Stuart Higgins - a curious relationship which illustrated the web of understanding and complicity in the circle around Charles.

'I didn't sense that she and the Prince were out of touch,' Higgins recalled. ' I talked to her once a week about Diana and Charles. She guided me on things that were not true or things that were off the beam.'

He would run stories past her as a check and he could hear her, hand half- cupped over the receiver, repeating them to her husband. ' Guess what they're saying about us now, Andrew,' she would call out, and even the tabloid editor was astonished by their openness about her affair with Charles.


Title: Re: Charles&Diana's Marriage
Post by: leogirl on February 09, 2012, 07:10:44 am
I heard somewhere Charles saying he was faithful for "about a month"... he was with Camilla the whole time... even if not physically the whole time (he had other mistresses as well) he was emotionally with Camilla, let her be his puppet master, talking to her about his marriage, problems, let her decide how many children they should have (even though Charles wanted a daughter and Diana wanted more children in general), etc. That puts Charles cheating at 1981 and Diana at 1986.

And for the record, I do not excuse either of them for cheating (adultery is ALWAYS wrong), but I do have more sympathy for Diana because her husband neglected her and because she married so young... her brain wasn't even done developing, and at 20 you aren't even the person you're going to be yet. Also, there was no way for divorce because they couldn't get divorced until HM ORDERED them to get one because things had gotten so bad from BOTH parties. Charles made the "there can never be divorce" rule clear when he proposed to Diana.

I don't believe the "great love" story because if Charles and Camilla were so "in love" then why did Camilla marry Andrew Parker Bowles in 1973? That is EIGHT YEARS before Charles married Diana. If they were so "in love" then wouldn't she have waited until after Charles married, until she was absolutely sure they could not be together before they got married? If that was the case then Camilla would have married in 1982 (at least) or not at all.

And about the "Charles had to marry a virgin" crap, Sarah married Pr. Andrew in 1986 and openly admitted to not being a virgin when they got married. The press put a nice spin on it and people liked her (at least at the time; nowadays she isn't all that popular). Better marry someone who isn't a virgin than to marry a divorcee (or twice-divorced woman as was the case with Wallis Simpson). Loss of virginity, things happen, people think they're in love, etc. But second marriages have like a 70% chance of failure, even higher for 3rd, 4th, etc. marriages, so it's not good for a monarch or future monarch to marry a divorcee. A monarch needs a stable marriage.

And people might say "oh, Andrew is only second in line so it didn't matter as much who he married"... don't forget that Elizabeth II's father was also Duke of York and was "only second in line".


Title: Re: Charles&Diana's Marriage
Post by: milagro on February 09, 2012, 09:12:40 am
Tatiana, I didn't even know that, it makes C&C's behaviour more disgusting.


Title: Re: Charles&Diana's Marriage
Post by: Jane23 on February 09, 2012, 11:17:18 am
I heard somewhere Charles saying he was faithful for "about a month"... he was with Camilla the whole time... even if not physically the whole time (he had other mistresses as well) he was emotionally with Camilla, let her be his puppet master, talking to her about his marriage, problems, let her decide how many children they should have (even though Charles wanted a daughter and Diana wanted more children in general), etc. That puts Charles cheating at 1981 and Diana at 1986.

And for the record, I do not excuse either of them for cheating (adultery is ALWAYS wrong), but I do have more sympathy for Diana because her husband neglected her and because she married so young... her brain wasn't even done developing, and at 20 you aren't even the person you're going to be yet. Also, there was no way for divorce because they couldn't get divorced until HM ORDERED them to get one because things had gotten so bad from BOTH parties. Charles made the "there can never be divorce" rule clear when he proposed to Diana.

I don't believe the "great love" story because if Charles and Camilla were so "in love" then why did Camilla marry Andrew Parker Bowles in 1973? That is EIGHT YEARS before Charles married Diana. If they were so "in love" then wouldn't she have waited until after Charles married, until she was absolutely sure they could not be together before they got married? If that was the case then Camilla would have married in 1982 (at least) or not at all.

And about the "Charles had to marry a virgin" crap, Sarah married Pr. Andrew in 1986 and openly admitted to not being a virgin when they got married. The press put a nice spin on it and people liked her (at least at the time; nowadays she isn't all that popular). Better marry someone who isn't a virgin than to marry a divorcee (or twice-divorced woman as was the case with Wallis Simpson). Loss of virginity, things happen, people think they're in love, etc. But second marriages have like a 70% chance of failure, even higher for 3rd, 4th, etc. marriages, so it's not good for a monarch or future monarch to marry a divorcee. A monarch needs a stable marriage.

And people might say "oh, Andrew is only second in line so it didn't matter as much who he married"... don't forget that Elizabeth II's father was also Duke of York and was "only second in line".
Yes he was having an "emotional affair" if you call talking to your confident about your mess of a marriage that...


Title: Re: Charles&Diana's Marriage
Post by: sandy on February 09, 2012, 02:30:22 pm
Yep, it's always healthy to go to the mistress (who has her own agenda) for marital advice instead of going to a marraige counselor.


Title: Re: Charles&Diana's Marriage
Post by: Alexandrine on February 09, 2012, 02:33:23 pm
A marriage that he decided to start because of selfish reasons.

Sandy check the C&C news thread!


Title: Re: Charles&Diana's Marriage
Post by: leogirl on February 10, 2012, 07:22:09 am
Yes he was having an "emotional affair" if you call talking to your confident about your mess of a marriage that...

She was not a confidante, she was a mistress... a woman he'd slept with in the past who was married to another man and had an agenda of her own. He should have gone to a marital counselor, someone who had no stake in what happened who wanted to actually HELP C&D work through their problems. Not someone who delighted in problems and gleefully reported them to the press.


Title: Re: Charles&Diana's Marriage
Post by: Tatiana on February 10, 2012, 08:32:22 am

        Leo Girl just Roared The Truth    :goodpost:

 

            Camilla is not a nice little old lady, she wasnt even a nice younger lady.


Title: Re: Charles&Diana's Marriage
Post by: Jane23 on February 10, 2012, 08:58:37 am
Yes he was having an "emotional affair" if you call talking to your confident about your mess of a marriage that...

She was not a confidante, she was a mistress... a woman he'd slept with in the past who was married to another man and had an agenda of her own. He should have gone to a marital counselor, someone who had no stake in what happened who wanted to actually HELP C&D work through their problems. Not someone who delighted in problems and gleefully reported them to the press.
How do we know all of this?  :bored:


Title: Re: Charles&Diana's Marriage
Post by: Tatiana on February 10, 2012, 09:14:36 am


    Sorry Jane... we are all out of horses to beat .. but jolly good try though.

                                                :bored:

                         
                 


Title: Re: Charles&Diana's Marriage
Post by: sandy on February 10, 2012, 01:59:16 pm
Camilla had a lot to lose if Charles and Diana were able to work on their marriage and strengthen their relationship as the years went by. She was married to APB but I think enjoyed the excitement, the perks, and status of being the Prince of Wales' mistress. If Charles totally ditched her she'd be stuck with APB there would be no other man that she might take a s a lover who would be as powerful and influential as Charles. I think she was thinking of herself when she interfered in the marriage. Charles asking Camilla for marital help is like Clinton asking Monica Lewinsky about marital advice.


Title: Re: Charles&Diana's Marriage
Post by: Jane23 on February 10, 2012, 04:58:27 pm

All it got her is eternal  *despise*  :sly: and HE was the one to keep her in his life HE was the one to cheat on his wife but I forgot it is all Camilla's fault (roll eyes) of course Diana's husband had nothing to do with the cheating Camilla sated him to take advantage of him  :P that is how it went down.

Please don't quote the message above yours - Alex


Title: Re: Charles&Diana's Marriage
Post by: sandy on February 10, 2012, 06:09:41 pm
Charles wasn't exactly held at gunpoint and forced to cheat. He did it of his own free will. I think that if Camilla wanted a suitable wife for Charles she should have picked out someone from the Highgrove set willing to share and be "civilized" about it all.


Title: Re: Charles&Diana's Marriage
Post by: Jane23 on February 10, 2012, 07:20:08 pm

Point is she didn't "pick" his wife she was supportive of the idea of him marrying Diana who from the beginning showed she wasn't keen on Camilla that tells me Camilla had no horse in that race nothing tolled her Diana would be "OK" with her being in Prince Charles's life (in any capacity) all signs pointed to the contrary so why would she be stupid enough to "pick" Diana? We know she is not stupid.

Please don't quote the message above yours - Alex


Title: Re: Charles&Diana's Marriage
Post by: sandy on February 10, 2012, 07:27:56 pm
Diana had little experience dating was not worldly wise like Charles and Camilla were (they were over 30 at the time). I do think Camilla wanted someone who would  not be a threat and someone who would be  a "mouse" and accepting of her relationship with Charles. At first, Diana would spend much time with Camilla at her home and be escorted by Camilla to various events where Charles was participating (equestrian sports, etc). Charles took her for weekends to the Parker Bowleses all of which were duly recorded by the media.  After Diana's engagement to Charles Camilla apparently made Diana suspicious when she would ask Diana if she would go to the hunts or not. Diana said no. It also was known that Diana did not like to ride so it would be unlikely that Diana would accompany Charles to the hunts, a place where Camilla was known to be. Plus there was the purchase of Highgrove by Charles which was a stone's throw from the PBs. I think Camilla wanted to be in the drivers seat and more or less directed the courtship by inviting Diana to her home and trying to "befriend her."  If Camilla was not interfering she would have stayed out of the courtship and did not make the little visits to her home by C and D part of the courtship.


Title: Re: Charles&Diana's Marriage
Post by: Tatiana on February 11, 2012, 08:12:04 pm


   Sandy

                You and I both know this, why don't others?

                        I am amazed at how much PR from Clarence House people have swallowed.

                            I have close friends who were there at the time, it's fact.


Title: Re: Charles&Diana's Marriage
Post by: Jane23 on February 11, 2012, 09:38:33 pm
I am not swallowing anything  :sly: I am just saying there is no proof to when Prince Charles and The Duchess started being intimate we can't accuse them of things I personally never saw them do yes he was cheating emotionally from day one but Diana knew it and she choose to marry him anyway not that I am blaming her for it she probably thought things would change once they married and was confident enough and young enough to think she could make Prince Charles forget all about Camilla but you can't say she was stupid enough to not know how Prince Charles felled about The Duchess she was 19 not stupid ...


Title: Re: Charles&Diana's Marriage
Post by: Tatiana on February 12, 2012, 12:55:41 am


 ..... then cut the poor lass some slack!

          We've all been 19 years old, and I for one am very glad I didnt make a life changing decision like she did, at that age.

          She did think marriage would mean Camilla would go away ... listen to her own words.. they are on Youtube.. in the Morton books.

           Camilla should have gone away and not continued to whisper in Charles' ear . nor should he have encouraged her, they were much older than Diana and should have known better.. a thoroughly selfish pair.. putting their affair above their families and their duties.

            No matter how much one tries to santize this. it still STINKS.


Title: Re: Charles&Diana's Marriage
Post by: leogirl on February 12, 2012, 09:04:24 am
Charles is the one who, when asked how long he was faithful, said, "about a month". I remember the interview from a documentary that aired on TV around the time William started university. It was either before or after that movie they made about William dealing with his mother's death. I think the original interview was taken around the time he outed Camilla as his mistress, but I don't remember the exact date that the tape said because it was too long ago.

And it's well-known that Camilla reported the Wales' marital problems to the press; both sides admitted it, and so did the tabs she gave the information to. In fact, they said they were surprised about how open Camilla was about everything, especially her sleeping with Charles.

These are not speculations, but come from "the horse's mouth" so to speak.


Title: Re: Charles&Diana's Marriage
Post by: HC on February 12, 2012, 04:09:54 pm
That is so horribly. He was able to be faithfull one month. He is truly a very mentally sick person to imprison another human being like that.


Title: Re: Charles&Diana's Marriage
Post by: Tatiana on February 12, 2012, 07:02:39 pm

        Charles is a very selfish person, he was raised to feel he was entitled to anything he wanted, and has lived his life accordingly  :cookie:


Title: Charles On Loving Diana
Post by: AnaBolena on March 19, 2012, 06:20:32 pm
I find it very difficult to believe that PC never loved PD.

After watching video after video the body language towards her was to my eye, genuine.

When he said "whatever "in love" means" - I took that as a remark that said "no one can define "in love".

http://youtu.be/wg_fib2gQaU

Look at the way her caresses her hand/hands - especially almost to the end.

I have never seen this or anything like it between his son and WK.

Interested in what others think.


Title: Re: Charles On Loving Diana
Post by: sandy on March 19, 2012, 06:31:23 pm
Charles was attracted to Diana IMO. He was very flattered by her devotion to him and obviously to her the sun rose and set on him back then. She was a lovely young lady and from a suitable family, with no past, and fertile to provide him with heirs. That being said. If he had truly loved her he would have totally dropped Camilla out of his life especially since Diana after the wedding made it clear that she was upset by his wearing a gift Camilla sent him on the honeymoon, and keeping C's photograph. I think he felt well that he did her the extreme honor or marrying her and felt that why should she mind if he kept in touch with his ex. Charles also later told his biographer that he was "forced" or "pressured" to marry Diana, statements that don't speak love.


Title: Re: Charles On Loving Diana
Post by: Mooster on March 19, 2012, 06:39:56 pm
I agree about the 'whatever love means' remark - Charles meant it philosophically - too much has been read into this remark IMO.  He certainly looked besotted with her in the beginning, such a shame that it all went wrong  :sob:


Title: Re: Charles On Loving Diana
Post by: sandy on March 19, 2012, 07:10:34 pm
I think if the marriage had worked out nobody would have scrutinized the whatever in love means remark. But Charles himself indicated to his biographer how he felt about Diana (that he was "forced"). I t hink if Charles  had dropped Camilla and she had stopped seeing him or contacting him, I think C and D would have had a chance. Even if Charles was not in love with her they perhaps could have worked on the marriage and the relationship. It's hard to have a marriage with a third party lurking about and "there" for the husband.


Title: Re: Charles On Loving Diana
Post by: Jane23 on March 19, 2012, 08:27:21 pm
I think he did love her I wish people didn't take as gospel things we never heard him say on camera there is no proof he said those things and even if he did he obviously said it when things had gone soar and he he probably didn't like her anymore people say a lot of hurtful things when they are angry just saying...Diana did too...


Title: Re: Charles On Loving Diana
Post by: Alexandrine on March 19, 2012, 10:46:55 pm
There is already a thread about their marriage so I'm merging, hope it's ok.

Now about the topic, no way! I think he had affection for her like a big brother for a big sister but I don't think that there was love or even attraction.

When he says the whatever love means more than his words you can see in his face that he doesn't want to marry her for love or at all.

He had to marry and he was the only he found that was suitable and accepted him.

@Jane I've never said that Diana was perfect nor that I think her behaviour was acceptable when she cheated with a married man. But she didn't manipulate a naive nineteen year old to marry. What I find really awful from C&C is that they didn't let Diana make a informed answer, if she had known that Camilla was going to be part of the marriage I'm sure she would have said not. I know that you consider that Charles didn't cheated until 1986 but I don't believe that and if you read the articles I posted many other people don't believe it either.



Title: Re: Charles&Diana's Marriage
Post by: Jane23 on March 20, 2012, 12:40:14 am
^ Prince Charles and Camilla were close very close that information was given to Diana given that the two women were introduced ...Diana started worrying about Camilla since before the wedding so I don't see Prince Charles lying to her about ditching Camilla out of his life that was more Diana hoping he would do that...as for when the cheating really started I guess we can only speculate and pick and choose what to believe because there is no actual proof of when it started as we weren't there...


Title: Re: Charles&Diana's Marriage
Post by: Magnolia on March 20, 2012, 02:00:50 am
Wasn't there an old interview the guy asked PC if he loved her or ever did something like that, and he said no.


Title: Re: Charles On Loving Diana
Post by: sandy on March 20, 2012, 02:17:36 am
There is already a thread about their marriage so I'm merging, hope it's ok.

Now about the topic, no way! I think he had affection for her like a big brother for a big sister but I don't think that there was love or even attraction.

When he says the whatever love means more than his words you can see in his face that he doesn't want to marry her for love or at all.

He had to marry and he was the only he found that was suitable and accepted him.

@Jane I've never said that Diana was perfect nor that I think her behaviour was acceptable when she cheated with a married man. But she didn't manipulate a naive nineteen year old to marry. What I find really awful from C&C is that they didn't let Diana make a informed answer, if she had known that Camilla was going to be part of the marriage I'm sure she would have said not. I know that you consider that Charles didn't cheated until 1986 but I don't believe that and if you read the articles I posted many other people don't believe it either.



Charles didn't really have to marry. I read several books about the DUke of Windsor who was under tremendous pressure to marry but had a lifestyle where he sought out married mistresses instead of suitable girls. I read his father brought up the topic of his son settlng down and having heirs. Edward at the time was in love with married mistress Freda Dudley Ward and said he could not marry the suitable girl  because he loved Freda. Edward was honest and knew perhaps it would cause great heartache to a woman he would bring into a marriage so he could get heirs and knowng he could no be faithful to her. Charles OTOH thought IMO he could have it all, the wife, the heirs and the mistress. I think he very selfishly brought Diana into this so he could have his heirs. He wanted to marry but on his terms. ANd yes, he didn't share his idea of marriage with Diana which he should have done before he proposed.

As far as Diana "cheating" with a married man. Jephson wrote that he didn't know the nature of the relationship that Diana had with MR Hoare. The secret went with Diana to her grave and it i doubtful Hoare will ever speak of it. What happened between them I doubt will ever be known. Charles OTOH admitted being with a married woman.


Title: Re: Charles On Loving Diana
Post by: sandy on March 20, 2012, 02:22:04 am
I think he did love her I wish people didn't take as gospel things we never heard him say on camera there is no proof he said those things and even if he did he obviously said it when things had gone soar and he he probably didn't like her anymore people say a lot of hurtful things when they are angry just saying...Diana did too...

I don't think he loved her. He was flattered by her and attracted. And no matter how bitter a person is if there is love he would not deliberately hurt the wife and the mother of his children. Diana was angered by CHarles no doubt but she maintained that she did love Charles and said this publicly. Charles unless he was totally clueless knew that Diana was bothered by his relationship with Camilla but he never really broke off contact with her.


Title: Re: Charles&Diana's Marriage
Post by: Nymph on March 20, 2012, 06:12:12 pm
True, marriage is difficult and confusing at times, and when you add the divorce and all the drama, it is even more twisted and confusing to try to understand. 


Title: Re: Charles&Diana's Marriage
Post by: HC on March 20, 2012, 06:35:52 pm
Nymph

"Marriage is difficult and confusing at times" as you say.

But if a woman marry for love and the husbond just marry because he loves another woman - then the phrase "marriage is difficult" get a whole other meaning IMO.


Title: Re: Charles&Diana's Marriage
Post by: sandy on March 20, 2012, 06:40:02 pm
 Camilla and APB had a complicated marital  situation or arrangement (with the Prince of wales involved as the third party)  before Diana was brought into the picture. Diana being brought into it just made t hings more troubling as Diana was an "outsider" and didn't know the rules of the game but learned the hard way.


Title: Re: Charles&Diana's Marriage
Post by: Alexandrine on March 20, 2012, 07:08:40 pm
^^ Maybe we can also include Anne?

I'm not against free marriage or whatever they had organised between them, but tell the woman you are going to marry what you expect at least.

I think Charles wanted to marry and had children, he also had the pressure from the press and his parents, moreover imo he realised that the suitable girls would be less when more time passed so he found a naive one and married.


Title: a tribute to Camilla
Post by: observer on March 26, 2012, 06:13:35 pm
IMHO Camilla is a genious.
1. During her youth, her time in school, she was held as the filthiest girl in class.
There is a funny joke about her still around that after she attented a party with an ugly dress two of her inmates were whispering: "Oh. She has no style!"
"Don't be so cruel! It's her only dress which is washed and ironed!"
If someone would have predicted that one day she would become the wife of the crown prince, he would have beeen squeezed into a straightjacket and sent to an asylum.
2. How came that over such a long time she could keep her relation to Prince Charles that secretly?
OK! There were rumours around long before he even learnt to know Lady Di, but nearly nobody (even the worst paparazzi rats not) went really suspicious? It was even the hacked phone dialog between them in (I think in 1992) which brought the stone into rolling.
Was there nobody even in her closest acquaintance whom she opened her heart and feelings about him? Undoubtedly there would have been at least one "false friend" who would have sold it for a bucket full of bucks to the tabloids.
3. The main reason why the marriage between Di and Charles failed was, because there were no overleaping interests between them. She wanted modern pop music,charity etc. while Charles was interested in philosophy, zen, organic farming etc..
Easy to imagine that lately at that time he found in Camilla the woman at whom he could pour his heart out, who understood him. And obviously still does.
If he would have married Camilla right at the start, he would have saved us from this ugly soap opera and hopefully the next crown prince(ss) wouldn't be such an airhead thanks to the genes of Diana.


Title: Re: Charles&Diana's Marriage
Post by: sandy on March 26, 2012, 07:19:19 pm
Diana WAS interested in classical music. It is a myth that she wasn't. She was said to like opera and was a great fan of Pavarotti (who was a good friend of hers).

The marriage didn't break up because they had "different interests." It was because Camilla was lurking in the background undermining Diana. Even playing hostess at Highgrove in Diana's absence. Camilla was no "genius" but one of the most nervy and manipulative people I ever read about.

Had Charles married Camilla there would have been no Wills or Harry. Charles IMO didn't consider Camilla "good enough" to marry and have his heirs back then. We might not have had Wills or harry but a more unattractive version of Tom parker Bowles with Charles' large ears. Think about it.

I think the only thing Charles cared about when he married Diana was her having his heirs. She served her purpose then Charles was back with Camilla.


Title: Re: Charles&Diana's Marriage
Post by: observer on March 26, 2012, 08:32:01 pm
1. Lady Di didn't even had an O-Level, while at least Camilla had it.
2. Lady Di called herself as being dump like beanstraw.
3. Prince Harry had the honour to turn an extra round during his schooldays. That's why he didn'teven dare to start a university carriere which Willy at least did.
4. but Willy himself wasn't a luminary either. He started with Arthistory  and soon turned to Geography. But after this intermezzo, he himself joined the army.
It's amusing to see, though he would have had an undeniable advantage that he didn't dare to take a heavier subject may say Medicine or Physics.


Title: Re: Charles&Diana's Marriage
Post by: sandy on March 26, 2012, 08:46:08 pm
Camilla's attraction to Charles from all accounts was not that she was an "intellectual giant." She supposedly taught him things in the bedroom. I'll go no further. I also think she was an "ace" at Manipulation 101.

She had brass, nerve, and gall to get where she is today. Not necessarily means she is an Einstein.

Diana's biographers refer to her as having Emotional Intelligence. I think she was intelligent but for one reason or another "froze up" when she took exams. She excelled in music and picked up languages readily. Diana tended to be self disparaging.

Harry may have dyslexia. According to some sources. Harry speaks better publicly than his brother

I don't think Charles is an intellectual giant either--he didn't do all that well in Cambridge according to his biographers.

I am happy Camilla wasn't chosen to be the mother of Charles heirs. That I am thankful for. Tom PB is not exactly an intellectual giant but is skilled in name dropping to sell his cookbooks.

I think the offspring of C and C would have  been unpleasant and have the worst looks and traits of their parents.

That being said I don't think the royal family members are noted exactly for their brain power.


Title: Re: Charles&Diana's Marriage
Post by: Mooster on March 26, 2012, 09:57:03 pm
^ Agreed.  Diana was a very good pianist, and her grandmother Lady Ruth Fermoy was a talented concert pianist.  Diana was extremely intelligent, she was a gifted diplomat, communicator and could have done very well in a career of her choice.  Lots of people, who did not do well at school, have blossomed later in life and gained qualifications that they thought were beyond them when younger.  I speak from experience.


Title: Re: Charles&Diana's Marriage
Post by: True Brit on March 26, 2012, 09:59:45 pm
I once watched Diana play Rachmaninov on the piano. :thumbsup: As a struggling pianist myself I thought kudos to the girl as he's a difficult composer. She may not have been an academic but I think she was cultured her only minus point (from my point of view)was her alleged fondness for Barbara Cartland novels.  :thumbsdown:


Title: Re: Charles&Diana's Marriage
Post by: Tatiana on March 26, 2012, 11:34:47 pm


         Diana was interested in ballet, in other forms of dance, in classical music, she was hardly "dumb".

         She also had tremendous "people skills", she was a natural, and Harry is like her in that way.

          Camilla's talents seem only to shine when she is on her back.

         I do not believe in book burnings, but if I were made to do it .. I would shove all Cartland and Harlequin books into the flames  lol


Title: Re: Charles&Diana's Marriage
Post by: Alexandrine on March 27, 2012, 03:20:14 pm
Diana herself said that she was so dumb she couldn't have been an air hostess which was what she desired to be when younger.

Though I don't think she was stupid only not intellectually inclined which is only a kind of intelligence.

I resent the *despise* towards the romance novels, Cartland's are very typical after you've read a couple but they are good when you want to read something without thinking too much. Ironically Cartland's plots are exactly the opposite of what happened to Diana.


Title: Prince Charles the abusive husband
Post by: Stephanie on August 08, 2016, 01:38:43 pm
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3728660/Pushed-endurance-Yes-Diana-difficult-woman-read-honest-account-loyal-bodyguard-true-provocations-face-marriage-decide-coped.html :ick: :ick: :ick:


Title: Re: Random Chat
Post by: HRHOlya on August 08, 2016, 02:02:48 pm
I'm surprised there's no "Diana and Charles" thread. Don't know if it makes sense to start one and move this there.

Pushed beyond endurance: Yes, Diana could be a difficult woman. But read this honest account by her loyal bodyguard of the true provocations she faced in her marriage and decide: How would YOU have coped? 

As Princess Diana’s royal protection officer, Ken Wharfe watched her bring up her two young sons — and deal with the frustrations of being married to Prince Charles. In the first part of our serialisation of his newly updated memoirs on Saturday, he told how he became part of the Royal Family. Here’s part two of our warm and intimate series . . .

The Princess of Wales, I honestly believe, did not go to the birthday party at Lady Annabel Goldsmith’s house in Richmond with the intention of confronting her husband’s mistress, that night in 1989.

Indeed, I am convinced she attended simply to support Prince Charles.

What happened that night was spontaneous — completely forgivable, many would say, but also a nightmare for me as her royal protection officer.

Diana had never been formally informed of her husband’s affair with a former girlfriend, the woman he increasingly regarded as his soulmate, Mrs Camilla Parker Bowles.

She did not need to be told: all the servants at Kensington Palace and Highgrove knew about it, and it was impossible for her to remain ignorant.

Almost every guest at the party knew, too. They were there to celebrate the 40th birthday of Camilla’s younger sister, Annabel Elliot, and on the drive down to Richmond, the Prince made his displeasure at Diana’s presence plain, needling her constantly.

In the front passenger seat, I sat silent, not sure what to expect from the evening ahead. Diana had told me beforehand that she had no intention of kissing Camilla when they met. ‘I’ll stick out my hand and see if she takes it,’ she said.

By this time I had been her police protection officer for nearly two years, and had guarded her sons for more than a year before that. She trusted and confided in me, and it was not unusual for her to discuss her emotions and anxieties with me.

Many of the guests could not hide their surprise at her presence, but she was peerless at deflecting other people’s embarrassment and I soon retired to the kitchen, confident that the evening was going well and my presence would only inhibit her.

I’d been there for about 90 minutes when I heard the Princess calling me. She appeared at the door, tearful and distressed, saying that her husband and his mistress has slipped away together.

She was determined to find them and confront them, and she wanted me to back her up.

‘Will you help me, Ken? I have had enough, this is too much. I am not going to be shown up in this way. I want to talk to her — now.’

My police duties did not include relationship guidance, but I tried questioning the wisdom of causing a scene. I had no desire to be dragged into a marital row, let alone one involving the heir to the throne, his wife and his lover, all in public.

But Diana would not be persuaded otherwise, and led me down some stairs to the basement of the house, a children’s playroom.

Sitting in one softly-lit corner, deep in conversation, were the Prince and Camilla.

‘Please don’t go, Ken,’ Diana murmured, as the couple leapt guiltily to their feet. It was as though my presence was giving her strength for what she was about to say.

But I felt I had no business eavesdropping on this deeply personal business and I excused myself, retreating to the foot of the stairs.

I found the whole situation extraordinary. What possible need could there have been for Charles and Camilla to conduct a clandestine meeting at a crowded party where the Princess was also present?

It was a terrible insult to Diana, and the only charitable interpretation is that the Prince believed their absence would not be noticed.

After a few minutes, Diana emerged. She seemed elated, and as she walked back into the party she held her head high. I admired her immensely for it.

A few minutes later, Charles and Camilla also appeared, looking shaken — whatever Diana had said must have hit home.

But for the rest of the evening they circulated separately as if nothing had happened, and it was not until the car journey back to Kensington Palace that the pretence was dropped.

Over and over, the Princess asked her silent husband: ‘How could you do this to me?’ I sat in the front, staring forwards, not uttering a sound.

Diana was not strong emotionally. By her own account, she did not sleep that night, but cried without stopping.

My heart went out to her. She was a young wife and mother who wanted desperately to be loved by her husband.

Prince Charles is not a bad man, but his treatment of her that night was unforgivable. From that moment, all Diana’s euphemisms about ‘that woman’ and ‘his lady’ were discarded.

Camilla became ‘the Rottweiler’, if she was mentioned at all. It wasn’t that Diana had given up her struggle for her husband’s affections, simply that she no longer had the stomach to keep fighting every day. ‘There comes a time when you don’t care any more,’ she told me quietly.

From the moment in 1986 that I transferred to the Royalty & Diplomatic Protection Department, after serving with the District Support Unit (the new, inoffensive name for the Special Patrol Group, following the early Eighties Broadwater Farm riots), I had seen that the Waleses’ marriage was in serious trouble.

Charles was at best cold towards his wife, while she was sometimes hysterical and at her worst could be vile. Privately, she would later repent, but this was her only means of provoking a reaction.

The Prince was not prepared to give an inch to his demanding wife: as heir to the throne, he believed that his will was his birthright. If exercising that will meant upsetting his beautiful princess, so be it.

Frequently, he would announce that their private plans as a couple had been dropped, because he was entertaining friends.

‘Stuff your rotten friends,’ Diana would shriek. ‘They’re not my friends!’ Unmoved, the Prince would walk away and later tell his circle that his wife was indisposed by a headache.

To make matters worse, summer weekends were dominated by his passion for polo, which Diana regarded as recklessly dangerous and mind-numbingly dull.

When she did take her sons to watch their father play, the photographers focused on her and the Prince would complain next morning, as he surveyed the papers, that she had been playing up to the cameras.

‘Quite the glamour girl,’ he would say disdainfully. The Princess would fly into a rage, at which point Charles, who hated confrontation, would disappear to tend his beloved garden. ‘Go on, talk to your plants,’ Diana would shout after him. ‘If only I was as important as your flowers!’

It was a polo accident that brought about an effective separation, in 1990. Charles fell from his horse and broke his arm, and Diana went to his bedside at Cirencester hospital, not far from Highgrove. A few minutes later, she left. Charles had made it clear her presence was not wanted. A few minutes later, Camilla arrived.

As we drove back to London, Diana confessed to me, quietly and sadly, without any hysterics but with absolute determination, that this was the final straw. She was no longer prepared to attempt anything for the sake of the marriage.

Camilla as good as moved into Highgrove that day, and Charles let her treat it as her home — to the extent that, though a fervent anti-smoker himself, he even allowed his mistress to light up anywhere in the house.

The Prince made a slow convalescence. Nearly three months later he was admitted to the Queen’s Medical Centre in Nottingham for an operation on the broken arm. Diana visited and, once again, the encounter lasted mere minutes.

Leaving his private room, she walked along the hospital corridor and saw a middle-aged woman sitting outside the intensive care ward, sobbing. Her name was Ivy and her son was fighting for his life after a serious road accident.

Diana’s ability to talk to people she had never met was extraordinary, and I never saw it more vividly than on that day.

In one natural motion she knelt beside the woman and then put her arm around her, to comfort her.

‘He’ll pull through, I know he will,’ she reassured the woman, and from that day, whenever Diana visited Charles, she made a point of visiting Ivy too.

Her compassion was wasted on her husband, but the urge to give comfort had to escape somehow. What the Prince didn’t want, the public did.

After leaving hospital, Charles escaped to the Queen Mother’s Highland retreat, Birkhall. While there, he was photographed for the first time during his marriage with Mrs Parker Bowles.

The Queen Mother was also on hand, which confirmed Diana’s conviction that the Royal Family had sanctioned Charles’s adultery at the highest level.

By now, her relations with most of Charles’s family were at an all-time low. The Queen was chilly and distant, and concerned about how the Princess’s work with Aids patients would look to the media.

The Queen Mother, meanwhile, seemed to regard her with detached pity: Diana always thought any chance of friendship had been scuppered at the outset by her own poison-tongued grandmother, Lady Fermoy, who was a lady-in-waiting.

She found Prince Philip impossible, though in his own bluff way he tried to offer her an olive branch which she had slapped back in his face.

She liked Andrew and thought Anne was stimulating company, though they could never have a sisterly chat.

Diana did, however, adore her Kensington Palace neighbour, Princess Margaret, who had been kind and understanding from the moment she joined the Firm.

Perhaps, with ‘Margo’s’ extravagant lifestyle, her sometimes tragic love life and almost Bohemian independence, the two women felt a bond of empathy.

That independent spirit sometimes made it almost impossible for me to guard Diana. During a skiing trip to Lech with her sons, she gave me a hell of a fright — though by the time I realised anything was wrong, the danger was past.

We’d had a tough day, dogged by paparazzi, and I went to my room at the Arlberg Hotel exhausted.

At 6am, the night-duty officer hammered on my door to inform me that the Princess was safe — news that was oddly unreassuring.

It transpired that minutes earlier the hotel’s doorbell had rung, and the young PC on duty had opened the front door to the Princess of Wales, in coat and hat.

She looked him in the eye, said ‘Good morning,’ and walked straight in, across the lobby and up to her room. She could not have left the hotel by that front door, since the night officer had the only set of keys.

He was as well aware as I that the headline, ‘Princess Evades Police Protection — Gone For Hours’ was not one that would enhance career prospects for either of us.

We pieced together the mystery and I realised there was only one answer: she must have jumped from her bedroom balcony, 20ft up, into the deeply drifted snow below.

Sure enough, in the billows of white below her bedroom window, I found the perfect imprint of the Princess’s body, and footprints leading away to the town. All I could do was pray that no paparazzi had seen the leap.

When she woke, I scolded her roundly, but she never did tell me where she’d gone.

That wasn’t the only time she went missing on my watch. The other occasion was much more serious: for a few minutes I was afraid that she had also jumped, this time to her death.

In 1992, with divorce looming, the Prince and Princess took a holiday aboard a friend’s yacht in the Aegean. It was portrayed in the Press as a ‘love-boat cruise’, not so much a reconciliation as a second honeymoon.

The truth was starkly different. Diana was in no mood for pretence, and her attitude and behaviour made life impossible for everyone: the unlimited supplies of champagne and caviar were little consolation.

The royal couple were barely on speaking terms, and divided the yacht into two zones around their separate cabins, neither venturing into each other’s territory. Diana suspected, rightly, that Charles spent much of each day on the yacht’s satellite phone to Camilla.

The atmosphere was so tense that even William and Harry became concerned about their mother’s strange behaviour. It came to a head when the Prince’s protection officer, Colin Trimming, came to my cabin with worrying news that no one had seen Diana for a couple of hours.

She was not in her cabin, and Colin was afraid she could have thrown herself overboard.

Panic set in. The Prince was told and I saw genuine concern on his face. Colin and I were conducting a thorough search when I remembered seeing her, some days earlier, by the lifeboats.

In one of them, crouched beneath the canvas cover, I discovered Diana. She had been sitting alone in there for hours, sobbing.

My first emotion was immense relief, then compassion. I told Colin to call off the search and climbed under the cover myself, spending the next two hours locked in conversation.

‘Ken, they don’t understand me,’ she kept saying. ‘They think I’m mad and they feel sorry for me, but they’re all in on it — they know he’s on the phone to the Rottweiler all day. It’s a sham, he’s only here with me because his mummy has ordered it. He’s pathetic and this is a floating hell.’

At that moment she was ready to order the captain to take her to shore, where she’d get a ticket at the nearest airport and fly home alongside hundreds of tourists.

I pleaded with her to see reason and avoid a scandal, but she insisted that, as a princess, she could do what the bloody hell she liked. I made one final appeal: ‘What about your sons?’

That made her relent. Suddenly, she saw the funny side — the Princess of Wales and her bodyguard, huddled together in a lifeboat.

‘Come on, Ken,’ she said, ‘we’d better get back. Otherwise that husband of mine will be cracking open the champagne, hoping that I actually did jump overboard and he can marry that hideous woman!’

    Extracted from Diana: Closely Guarded Secret by Ken Wharfe and Robert Jobson, published by John Blake Publishing on August 18 at £7.99. © Ken Wharfe and Robert Jobson 2016. To order a copy for £5.59 (offer valid to August 16), visit mailbookshop.co.uk or call 0844 571 0640. P&P free on orders over £15.

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Title: Re: Prince Charles the abusive husband
Post by: Little light on August 08, 2016, 03:37:52 pm
Charles was an abusive husband. To abuse means to use improperly or misuse someone/something. He used Diana improperly as all he needed was the heir and spare. He had no concern for her once his role, as he saw it, was complete. And he had no consideration for her either as a woman, who was far more charismatic than he, or as a wife.

Who else can recall that he allowed his mistress, Camilla, to change the furniture around in the marital home to suit herself?    bignono

So yes, he did abuse his wife. I have no time for him. Or Camilla. Diana was no saint either, but I do feel she was more sinned against than sinning.


Title: Re: Prince Charles the abusive husband
Post by: Stephanie on August 08, 2016, 03:45:19 pm
Severe emotional abuse to say the least.


Title: Re: Prince Charles the abusive husband
Post by: HRH Tiana of NOLA on August 08, 2016, 06:45:03 pm
Entitled donkey buttocks. Plain & simple.


Title: Re: Prince Charles the abusive husband
Post by: leogirl on August 08, 2016, 09:24:35 pm
I feel like Diana was pushed into doing what she did. She wanted to be loved, to be treated as his wife. If he were better to her, she would not have cheated or caused scandal. When she was 19, he should have left her alone and let her date/marry someone else. He didn't love her and she was a lot younger than him.


Title: Re: Prince Charles the abusive husband
Post by: Kuei Fei on August 08, 2016, 09:40:43 pm
He married her because he wasted his twenties messing around nonstop and couldn't find the virgin he was supposedly supposed to marry. I think sometimes men who do this think that by marrying a woman with no past, it somehow provide them with that fresh start. I think to the rest of the public, Diana represented that fresh start and basically gave everyone a fresh, new start as well.


Title: Re: Prince Charles the abusive husband
Post by: leogirl on August 09, 2016, 08:52:08 pm
Very strange mindset. If you want to marry a virgin, why go around sleeping around with women who will someday be other men's wives? And of course other men sleep around with the woman you'll someday marry. Zero self-control and people wonder why the adultery and divorce rates are so high...  :thumbsdown:

Diana was too young for him and even at 19 most young women have had multiple sex partners. Maybe he married her because she was a unicorn?  :dontknow:

Virginity is also a golden calf type thing. Some girls were sexually abused or later turned from their promiscuous ways.

Did he not want to be with someone that another man/other men had seen naked? If so, how times have changed in just one generation with all the no underwear/skirt incidents and public nudity.


Title: Re: Prince Charles the abusive husband
Post by: CathyJane on August 09, 2016, 09:46:11 pm
Severe emotional abuse to say the least.

Absolutely!


Title: Re: Prince Charles the abusive husband
Post by: india on August 09, 2016, 09:49:59 pm
Entitled Pr*ck


Title: Re: Prince Charles the abusive husband
Post by: HRHOlya on August 09, 2016, 09:53:15 pm
^^^ Gosh yes, that change took about one generation.. from seeing virginity as virtue to what we have now, an over-sexed society with nakedness literally everywhere.
Good point about wanting a virgin but sleeping with other men's future wives, but also the crass double standard that women must be "pure" and men can dip their stick anywhere. I don't know if any of you have watched the documentary The Ascent of Women, but it is a fantastic four part documentary on how the role of women has changed over the course of history and society as a whole.
And Diana as a 19 year old being thrown into that life is really really way too young. With all that I have read about Chuck's apparent feeling that he is very special because of who he is, it is no surprise that he was a bad husband. That would have been a terrible marriage for anyone when the spouse is so emotionally detached and unsupporting and thinks of themselves first, second and last.


Title: Re: Prince Charles the abusive husband
Post by: Snowpea on September 24, 2016, 03:44:59 am
Please, Diana knew what she was getting into - the Spencers always knew the score.  :laundry:


Title: Re: Prince Charles the abusive husband
Post by: cate1949 on September 24, 2016, 06:53:56 am
I think in the beginning Charles was enchanted by her.   There are pics which make it clear at least in the very beginning there was an affection between the two of them.   I doubt even he went into the marriage with the idea he would get two kids out of her and then treat her like dirt.  I just do not buy that.  And we also need to acknowledge that Diana played the game too - she pretended to like the outdoorsy things he liked and then as soon as they married - made it clear she was not outdoorsy and was bored by everything he liked.

Diana certainly underestimated her own ability to deal with someone like Charles but it is not as if she had no idea what he was like.  Her sister had dated him and she and her family were part of that set.  Remember she lived in a house on the grounds of Sandringham as a child.

Charles certainly behaved horribly, unforgivably.  But Di was part of this disaster too.  We know from what she told Morton that she was totally falling apart in the first year of the marriage.  Even a better man than Charles would have been shocked to discover his wife acting the way Diana claimed she acted  within months of being married. 

So abusive seems a bit strong - or rather - the assertion that he married her with the intent of treating her like garbage. 

It seems to me the real tragedy is that they both had doubts before the marriage and yet still went ahead.  Perhaps if both of them had gotten some support from the people around them - at least one of them could have walked away.



Title: Re: Prince Charles the abusive husband
Post by: leogirl on September 24, 2016, 07:59:15 am
If the part about not being outdoorsy is true, then they really did have nothing in common. I am not a fan of people who pretend to be a certain way before marriage and then completely change after the wedding.

So basically Diana was a wife during appearances together, but during their off time Charles would do his outdoor pursuits and Diana would be doing her own thing? That is a huge disaster. I don't think couples should spend every second together, but they should have hobbies they enjoy that they do together. I also heard something about Charles trying to get Diana to read a book on their honeymoon (perhaps a conversation topic for later?) but she didn't want to read. It was yet another thing they didn't have in common.

And then there is Charles who brought some CC item on his honeymoon with Diana to remind him of Camilla. C&C split before she married APB and then I'm sure she stayed faithful to him during the early years so there would be no question as to the paternity of her children. But Laura was born on New Year's Day 1978, so she and Charles could have hooked up again between then and Charles's wedding in July 1981. Not sure exactly when their "relationship" resumed.

IMO there should be compatibility screenings and/or classes before people are allowed to get married. Discuss not only interests and hobbies but also important topics like finance, child rearing, possibly communication and conflict resolution. If you don't pass, you cannot get a marriage license. It would save a lot of heartache and wasted years that could have been spent with a better match.


Title: Re: Prince Charles the abusive husband
Post by: Tatiana on September 25, 2016, 04:06:40 am
  Laurens Jan van der Post is very hard going to read.  Diana was a country girl, she grew up in Norfolk.  Charles was obsessed with huntin' and shootin'.   My husband builds hot rod cars and trucks, not my cuppa tea.  I am a history buff, and love to visit museums etc, he has no interest in this at all.

  Charles did not have to marry or beget heirs, he did not want his brothers to provide them.  Camilla pretended to befriend Diana, and even had her stay at her marital home before C&D got married.

 Please remember that Nicholas Soames, a close friend of Charles stated Diana was very paranoid for saying she thought her husband was sleeping with Mrs Parker Bowles.  Junor and Seward followed this up by writing anti Diana books.  Camilla was in weekly contact with the Sun newspaper editor dishing dirt on the Wales' marriage  for a decade.

   People who were part of the Beaufort Hunt have stated that they often saw Charles and Milla going off by themselves, and returning quite a bit later.  This was in early days of the Wales' marriage .. and before the marriage.

 


Title: Re: Prince Charles the abusive husband
Post by: leogirl on September 26, 2016, 07:55:53 am
^ I remember watching an interview on TV c. 2001 where Charles stated he'd been faithful to Diana for "about a month." I wish I had recorded it.


Title: Re: Prince Charles the abusive husband
Post by: Tatiana on September 26, 2016, 09:16:32 pm
  Me too.   I am surprised he stuck it out for a whole month !


Title: Re: Prince Charles the abusive husband
Post by: Kuei Fei on September 27, 2016, 10:01:03 pm
The thing is, Diana wasn't just a commoner, but she was just starting to discover much of the world and at that time, aristocrats were starting to prefer emotional fulfillment as well as dynastic considerations. When she discovered fashion and had an unlimited credit card, of COURSE she was going to want to indulge in high fashions and start making much of herself. Of course she was going to be fascinated with press coverage. Look at how Kate, at her age, would so obviously prefer to spend time in the city and jet setting; she prefers shopping for clothes rather than shopping for groceries. Charles was stupid to think that Diana should not be able to enjoy seeing more of the world. You don't marry an ingenue and think that she's just going to contentedly throw her early years away, or not want to have a life at all.


Title: Re: Prince Charles the abusive husband
Post by: Tatiana on September 28, 2016, 12:16:33 am
  Charles wanted Diana to live under the stairs, pop out and heir and a spare, and disappear.


Title: Re: Prince Charles the abusive husband
Post by: sandy on September 29, 2016, 06:54:37 pm
What is sad is that Charles supporters trash Diana's behavior (even early in the marriage). It is forgotten that Charles courted her when she was still a teenager and he wanted heirs and thought that she'd accept anything he had to dish out, even  his association with Camilla.


Title: Re: Random Chat
Post by: HRHOlya on October 21, 2016, 01:56:06 am
'I didn't know they were splitting up': Phil Collins reveals he played 'completely insensitive' hit Separate Lives at Princess Diana's birthday party ahead of her marital separation

"[...]
He said about the awkward performance: 'I played at his 40th, I arranged his 40th birthday and I played at her 30th.

'And I played a completely insensitive set of [my hits] Separate Lives, Doesn't Anybody Stay Together Anymore and it was like, I didn’t know they were splitting up, no one told me!'

Brushing the blundering moment aside, Phil admitted he was closer to Charles following the couple's separation, insisting the Prince is a 'great bloke'.

The Easy Lover hitmaker explained: 'If the situation had arisen, I was involved in the Prince's Trust, I had been since 1983 and so I was kind of drawn to Prince Charles who I think is a great bloke.

'I'm not a Tory, I’m not a monarchist but I just think as a bloke, he’s a good bloke and I could see that at that time Diana was being a little bit of a loose cannon…

'We did loads of Prince’s Trust concerts and I say apart from the birthday parties that I played at, no I didn't see her so much.'

[...]"

Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/tvshowbiz/article-3857550/I-didn-t-know-splitting-Phil-Collins-reveals-played-completely-insensitive-hit-Separate-Lives-Princess-Diana-s-birthday-party-ahead-separation.html


Title: Re: Random Chat
Post by: sandy on October 21, 2016, 03:33:31 pm
Sounds like Phil Collins is campaigning for that knighthood. What tacky comments.


Title: Re: Random Chat
Post by: leogirl on October 22, 2016, 06:49:10 am
^^^ I guess someone should have told him they were splitting up. Yikes!

^^ Yes, tacky comments and old stories about a woman who has been dead for nearly two decades.  :thumbsdown:


Title: Re: Prince Charles the abusive husband
Post by: dianab on October 23, 2016, 01:18:12 am
I think in the beginning Charles was enchanted by her.   There are pics which make it clear at least in the very beginning there was an affection between the two of them.   I doubt even he went into the marriage with the idea he would get two kids out of her and then treat her like dirt.  I just do not buy that.

So why he slept with Camilla at eve of HIS wedding? And also danced with Camilla the whole night at ball (at CH, IIRC) that happened at eve of the wedding? Diana was reported to be crying during this ball. I'm sorry. But I just do not buy 'his enchantment'


Title: Re: Prince Charles the abusive husband
Post by: sandy on October 23, 2016, 02:05:11 am
I think in the beginning Charles was enchanted by her.   There are pics which make it clear at least in the very beginning there was an affection between the two of them.   I doubt even he went into the marriage with the idea he would get two kids out of her and then treat her like dirt.  I just do not buy that.  And we also need to acknowledge that Diana played the game too - she pretended to like the outdoorsy things he liked and then as soon as they married - made it clear she was not outdoorsy and was bored by everything he liked.

Diana certainly underestimated her own ability to deal with someone like Charles but it is not as if she had no idea what he was like.  Her sister had dated him and she and her family were part of that set.  Remember she lived in a house on the grounds of Sandringham as a child.

Charles certainly behaved horribly, unforgivably.  But Di was part of this disaster too.  We know from what she told Morton that she was totally falling apart in the first year of the marriage.  Even a better man than Charles would have been shocked to discover his wife acting the way Diana claimed she acted  within months of being married.  

So abusive seems a bit strong - or rather - the assertion that he married her with the intent of treating her like garbage.  

It seems to me the real tragedy is that they both had doubts before the marriage and yet still went ahead.  Perhaps if both of them had gotten some support from the people around them - at least one of them could have walked away.



Charles knew darn well Diana did not hunt and the whole world knew she did not ride because she was thrown from a horse as a child.  I think CHarles did not go in with the intent of abusing DIana but I think he was and is very egocentric, the world revolved around him because he was Heir and one day (as he put it) his wife would be Queen someday. He felt himself special and superior to Diana. He thought she would be so honored to be chosen she would put up with everything even Camilla. I think he felt she was so young he could "mold" her. And Lord Tryon and Andrew Parker Bowles did not fuss when Charles slept with their respective wives. I think he was surprised (not in a good way) when Diana put her foot down. That was what they did not have in common. And then the put downs by hubby started. THere is a clip of Charles at a dinner talking about needing "two wives" and Diana cringing. I think Charles is no saint. And I blame him more for the problems.

I think Diana wanted to get to know Charles and did go with him on his various country pursuits. Women get to know the men they marry by watching games with them. But not doing that down the road and pursuing separate interests does not make them a "bad" couple. The love has to exist. I don't think Charles ever loved Diana.

DIana was falling apart because she got pregnant early on and had a difficult pregnancy with Will. Charles and his family did not "understand" this. Which made things worse for Diana. She also had bulimia. But despite that she did well in her royal duties and her work with Charles.

I think Diana was shocked at her husband's attitude. She saw he was still involved with Camilla and phoning her. Charles I doubt had any real respect for Diana and did not care how she felt. CHarles did some "faking it" too trying to pass off Camilla as the "safe" married friends.

Diana associated with the younger royals Andrew and Edward, not Charles. It was only when he dated her sister that she and CHarles spent any significant time together.


Title: Re: Prince Charles the abusive husband
Post by: Rosella on October 23, 2016, 06:39:34 am
I've read many biographies of Diana and of Charles. The rumour that he slept with Camilla at BP on the evening of his marriage to Diana has been denied by a number of people in the know, including his own valet after he left Charles's service, APB and a lady in waiting of the Queen's who recalled a long conversation they had into the night as they watched celebrations and crowds in the Mall.

I believe that Charles had an emotional connection to Camilla before and during his marriage and was unfaithful with Camilla by 1984,  but I don't believe the story of their sleeping together the night before the wedding. BP was packed with Royal guests, for a start!

The incident where Charles continually danced and French-kissed Camilla (while they were dancing) occurred at a polo ball when he was dating Anna 'Whiplash' Wallace. It was in front of APB as well, who was embarrassed but made stupid remarks to his friends at his table about Charles and his wife being very good friends! That evening finished the Charles/Anna Wallace romance. She raged at him "No-one treats me like that! Not even you!" And to Charles's apparent bewilderment she then left! 

Charles wouldn't have treated his new fiancée in the same way, especially at an official ball, at which members of his family would have been present. It would have caused an almighty scandal and people would have talked. The newspapers, in love with Diana, would have risen in outrage. He was lucky Anna never went to the papers about it but it leaked out anyway.


Title: Re: Prince Charles the abusive husband
Post by: leogirl on October 23, 2016, 07:19:24 am
Charles said in an interview I remember watching on TV c. 2001 that he was faithful to Diana for "about a month."


Title: Re: Prince Charles the abusive husband
Post by: dianab on October 23, 2016, 09:07:24 am
Stephen Barry (or whatever was he named) told this story.

He better than anyone knew what happened or not re:Charles & his ladies (including Camilla).

The only reliable source I read denying this episode is 'the most proud husband in Britain', Andrew Parker-Bowles. I'm sure he was proud about what was going on at eve of wedding. His denying claims I'm sure have alot with why he is even nowadays welcomed in royal events... and liked by Charles

There was a ball at eve of wedding at CH when Charles danced the whole night with Camilla and when Diana was seen crying. The Sarah Bradford book talks about this episode


Title: Re: Prince Charles the abusive husband
Post by: Val on October 23, 2016, 01:05:04 pm
^

Andrew P-B was heard many times to say he 'laid down his wife for the King'.


Title: Re: Prince Charles the abusive husband
Post by: india on October 23, 2016, 03:06:36 pm
I am sorry but that is so effed up.


Title: Re: Prince Charles the abusive husband
Post by: Kuei Fei on October 23, 2016, 07:29:57 pm
You know, one major sign that Diana was doing better after the divorce is how she became such a powerhouse of energy and determination. It's not like Charles even WANTED to control his mistress, when his mistress was in fact undermining a future Queen Consort.


Title: Re: Charles & Diana's Marriage
Post by: Alexandrine on October 30, 2016, 09:24:51 pm
@HRHOlya the thread was in Charles' board not in Diana's   :flower:


Title: Re: Charles & Diana's Marriage
Post by: HRHOlya on October 30, 2016, 10:41:48 pm
 :thankyou:


Title: Re: Charles & Diana's Marriage
Post by: Sophie on November 01, 2016, 03:40:55 pm
What a shame.  I used to like Phil Collins.


Title: Re: Charles & Diana's Marriage
Post by: HRHOlya on November 01, 2016, 04:28:00 pm
There was another article one day later, and he smeared Diana even worse. Really disgusting behaviour, esp as the woman is dead and the "war of the Waleses" is so long ago. Posted the first article only because it was ever so slightly funny but also because it shows what a bad character Phil C is. He seems to forget that Charles doesn't need such a campaign since 1997. Esp that "loose cannon" comment, smh. So sad.


Title: Re: Charles & Diana's Marriage
Post by: sandy on November 01, 2016, 04:43:31 pm
It's nothing new, Charles cousin bashed Diana last year in an interview. IMO Charles does not think there is enough bashing of Diana. Apparently, Collins thinks it is good for his relationship with Charles. Tacky Tacky.


Title: Re: Charles & Diana's Marriage
Post by: CathyJane on November 01, 2016, 05:41:10 pm
Disgusting on both men's part. I can't see how trashing Diana is going to help Phil's sagging career.


Title: Re: Charles & Diana's Marriage
Post by: Sophie on November 01, 2016, 07:04:24 pm
They are all such small men.  So very, very small.


Title: Re: Charles & Diana's Marriage
Post by: india on November 01, 2016, 07:09:49 pm
Instead of trashing Diana, Charles needs to address his worthless son, Broken Bill and his Exhibitionist wife.


Title: Re: Charles & Diana's Marriage
Post by: HRHOlya on February 28, 2017, 09:33:13 pm
Not entirely sure where to put this. Saw this earlier today and now again, so thought I'd share:

>>Revealed: Prince Charles and Princess Diana will be focus of Feud's second season

The FX Network announced Tuesday that Prince Charles and Princess Diana will head up the 10-episode second season of Feud ahead of its premiere on Sunday.

Feud: Charles and Diana - premiering in 2018 - will be produced and penned by creator Ryan Murphy as well as Jon Robin Baitz (The Slap).

Back in 1981, 750M viewers tuned into the British royals' fairytale wedding at St. Paul's Cathedral, but the contentious couple divorced 15 years later. [...] <<

Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/tvshowbiz/article-4268706/FX-announces-royal-second-season-Feud.html


Title: Re: Charles & Diana's Marriage
Post by: india on March 02, 2017, 10:37:19 pm
Nobody wants to see all this mess rehashed again.


Title: Re: Charles & Diana's Marriage
Post by: Tatiana on March 09, 2017, 09:16:22 pm
   So many men accuse their ex wives and girlfriends of being crazy .. and Charles is no different.   Unfortunately being The Prince of Wales so many sycophants have been writing that drivel for years.   No One accused of her being "unstable or crazy" before her marriage, not even the American couple who employed her as their nanny.    I cannot imagine being so young and being faced with a cold husband and a calculating mistress.


Title: Re: Charles & Diana's Marriage
Post by: sandy on March 10, 2017, 01:02:26 am
Charles is promoting the woman as an "advocate" for women. The comments section is scathing. I am wondering also about the article about Hewitt, there are people upvoting the gossip posts about Harry being Hewitt's. Maybe Camilla and Charles have the green arrow brigade hard at work.


Title: Re: Charles & Diana's Marriage
Post by: LadyVi on April 01, 2017, 05:09:07 pm
How Diana's emotional instability sent Charles into therapy for 14 years: Eminent royal biographer claims Prince was in a 'terrible trap' after his 'tormented' wife refused help and continually sparked rows even when he was trying to pray

Apparently, Diana was out to get Charles... this all sounds very Will & Kate...   :-

Diana first came sharply into the Prince?s focus during a Sussex house-party weekend in July 1980. Another guest, Charles?s former girlfriend Sabrina Guinness, recalled: ?She was giggling, looking up at him . . . furiously trying to make an impression.?

His ever-vigilant valet, Stephen Barry, observed that she ?went after the Prince with single-minded determination. She wanted him and she got him.?

To another friend, Charles admitted he ?did not love her yet?, but she was ?lovable and warm-hearted?. He was ?sure he could fall in love with her?.


http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-4369674/Diana-s-emotional-instability-sent-Charles-therapy.html


Title: Re: Charles & Diana's Marriage
Post by: gingerboy24 on April 01, 2017, 06:21:18 pm
I think chucky needed therapy long before he met Diana. They guy is a buffoon of the highest order.  Raised by an old fashioned nanny, rarely saw the folks, made to go to schools he was too woosy for, and etc. etc.  I dislike all that blaming Dianao, or anyone else for that matter, for his own shortcomings.  He was no saint either, and he had old fatty soames doing a smear campaign on her.  Can he not let it rest in peace  -  probably trying to make camzilla look good.  Too late for that she was the scheming wh*re who got her man, no matter what the cost to Diana or her terrible twins. Someone needs to write a book and expose chucky and camzilla from day one of chucky´s marriage to Diana, that would not make pretty ready.  He is no innocent or saint, he needs to let sleeping dogs lie, quite what he gets out of it now I don´t know, and let´s face it, he also is like the terrible twins, not one of the three decent and respectable people - all me me me me me me and me again people.   And petulant, unpleasant and living on another planet where everyone should worship them, so they think. Diana had many failings, we all do, but for Gods sake leave her alone.


Title: Re: Charles & Diana's Marriage
Post by: dianab on April 01, 2017, 06:26:16 pm
Charles shouldnt to be suprised that William dont want him around George and Charlotte. The same to the Queen, she shouldnt to be surprised that William prioritize the Middletons' Christmas than the Sandringham one with her and all of these people who see Diana as a 'crazy woman'. The Queen knew how close William was to his mother. Sally B Smith, Penny Junor and Ingrid Seward just made William far more closer to Carole and Michael Middleton.


Title: Re: Charles & Diana's Marriage
Post by: HRHOlya on April 01, 2017, 07:39:13 pm
As I wrote on the other thread: "Much of it is repeated old suff, part of it known as lies.
Saw the article yesterday and instantly thought that this is the continuation of the "Diana smear campaign", and I'm pretty convinced that I'm right, because 1. there were recently a couple of articles that brought up Charles's less than nice side, incl some behaviour of his towards his wife at the time, and 2. we have to be realistic, Liz is getting older and at her age that cold around Xmas could have been it, the day of Charles becoming king is coming closer, so he's trying to make "queen Camilla" happen. "

To be honest, I wouldn't take much notice of these stories. This has nothing to do with Willnot & Cannot, but all with the PR operation "queen Camilla" and "saint Charles". Diana is collateral damage and still a tool to be used for their own personal gain.

I can't blame Chuck for not making it at that school, that was a terrible place tbh, but his upbringing did him no favours. Always shocked whenever there's a new documentary to learn what a distant mother Liz was. ...

If the Winds were smart and they want to stay on their little thrones some longer (hope that doesn't happen, but I'll give them hints for success anyway, they'll ignore it, so why not!), then they absolutely must stop to use Diana and start talking about her in a positive light. Stop using her for their own gain, and spread stories that are false, like these stories in the past few days, and even the true stories of her which show her bad side must be stopped from being brought up every 5 minutes.
Even after the disaster after her death which rocked their public image so hard, they still have not learnt that Diana is off limits and they better not agitate people further.

Operation "queen Camilla" would be much more successful if they painted themselves as doting grandparents and good workers for their people.


Title: Re: Charles & Diana's Marriage
Post by: dianab on April 01, 2017, 08:04:48 pm
when a insider open up in comment section
James, Cambridge, United Kingdom, 23 minutes from now
My previous comment wasn't posted, DM - I wonder why? In essence, what I said was this article/book is clearly an attempt to pave the way for Queen Camilla - as she will be known - when Charles becomes King. Charles and Camilla continued their adulterous affair throughout his marriage to Diana and were 'meeting up'before William was born, let alone Harry. My partner at that time was part of a 'horsey' set and it was known by that inner circle of friends where C and C would meet. Diana's suspicions were right. It was also correct that D had no history of mental illness prior to marrying Charles. So, a teenage virgin marries an older and sexually experienced man who continues to commit adultery with Camilla. Camilla will be queen - we get that - but please don't try to rewrite history. Camilla was still married when she was having sex with Charles and continued having sex with Charles when he got married. Shift the blame onto Diana's 'madness'?? Diana isn't here to defend herself, DM.

James, Cambridge, United Kingdom, 38 minutes from now

I am a qualified, medical doctor. Are you? I also happen to have had a relationship with a partner who was part of a horsey set of whom Camilla was a member at the time. Camilla was married - but it was known by this inner group of friends that she and Charles were meeting up and continuing their 'relationship'. It never fizzled out when he and Diana got married - they were still using friends' homes for their secret trysts. Diana's parents split up when she was a child. There was no evidence of mental illness or psychiatric history for her until after she married Charles. A young virgin, thinking she was marrying for love and life. As for Laurens V.D.P. being Charles' advisor/guru - LVDP had several adulterous affairs, one resulting in a 14 yr old girl becoming pregnant with him child. To now portray Diana as mad and the key reason for the marriage breaking down is appalling. Yes - she subsequently became ill - but not with BPD. Paving the way for Queen Camilla, DM - is all.

James, Cambridge, United Kingdom, 49 minutes from now
Disgraceful - she dd not. Many of us clinically qualified doctors (including psychiatrists) have debated this in public and private. Does it not occur to you that this, along with several other recent articles, is merely paving the way for what will be our future King and his wife - i.e. King Charles and Queen Camilla? This article is shameful. Charles continued to meet up with Camilla and they continued to have an intimate relationship throughout his marriage to Diana - FACT, Perhaps some of the former inner circle will come clean and admit to helping to facilitate it by allowing trysts to take place in their homes? Diana was vulnerable -yes - but her suspicions were also true. Charles and his staff made a point of placing the blame on D's mental illness for the breakdown of his marriage. How convenient. A spoilt, narcissistic man who didn't like sharing the limelight. He - together with his co-adulterer Camilla - are our future King and Queen.

K.M., Coeur dAlene, 50 minutes from now
The Archbishop thought Diana should have made the marriage work even though Charles was screwing Camilla?
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James, Cambridge, United Kingdom, 59 minutes from now
and he never stopped having "fun" with Camilla right though his (and her - as in Camilla's) marriage/s. Camilla and Charles are both adulterers and were long before Diana was driven into the arms of another man. So has does that work? Two people who continued their adulterous relationship- each playing a part in the other person's marriage breakdown (let's not forget that Charles' affair with Camilla resulted in her divorce from Andrew Parker Bowles) subquently being appointed as King and Queen - and with the King being head of the Church of England. Hypocrisy personified (in Camilla and Charles)


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Title: Re: Charles & Diana's Marriage
Post by: HRHOlya on April 01, 2017, 08:22:34 pm
James hits the nail on the head.
Reading these comments it also occured to me how bizarre I find it that these friends provide(d) their homes for Chuck & Camz (and these days for the new generations, a thing that's been going on forever) to have their trysts in. I suppose going to hotels was out of the question, but still.. "here a my keys, happy shagging!"  :ick:


Title: Re: Charles & Diana's Marriage
Post by: sandy on April 01, 2017, 10:58:02 pm
Charles is a mean spoiled petty prat. This book proves what a creep he is.


Title: Re: Charles & Diana's Marriage
Post by: Tatiana on April 03, 2017, 06:58:20 pm
  James Cambridge knows his stuff.    :thumbsup:


Title: Re: Charles & Diana's Marriage
Post by: Kuei Fei on April 03, 2017, 09:49:47 pm
when a insider open up in comment section
James, Cambridge, United Kingdom, 23 minutes from now
My previous comment wasn't posted, DM - I wonder why? In essence, what I said was this article/book is clearly an attempt to pave the way for Queen Camilla - as she will be known - when Charles becomes King. Charles and Camilla continued their adulterous affair throughout his marriage to Diana and were 'meeting up'before William was born, let alone Harry. My partner at that time was part of a 'horsey' set and it was known by that inner circle of friends where C and C would meet. Diana's suspicions were right. It was also correct that D had no history of mental illness prior to marrying Charles. So, a teenage virgin marries an older and sexually experienced man who continues to commit adultery with Camilla. Camilla will be queen - we get that - but please don't try to rewrite history. Camilla was still married when she was having sex with Charles and continued having sex with Charles when he got married. Shift the blame onto Diana's 'madness'?? Diana isn't here to defend herself, DM.

James, Cambridge, United Kingdom, 38 minutes from now

I am a qualified, medical doctor. Are you? I also happen to have had a relationship with a partner who was part of a horsey set of whom Camilla was a member at the time. Camilla was married - but it was known by this inner group of friends that she and Charles were meeting up and continuing their 'relationship'. It never fizzled out when he and Diana got married - they were still using friends' homes for their secret trysts. Diana's parents split up when she was a child. There was no evidence of mental illness or psychiatric history for her until after she married Charles. A young virgin, thinking she was marrying for love and life. As for Laurens V.D.P. being Charles' advisor/guru - LVDP had several adulterous affairs, one resulting in a 14 yr old girl becoming pregnant with him child. To now portray Diana as mad and the key reason for the marriage breaking down is appalling. Yes - she subsequently became ill - but not with BPD. Paving the way for Queen Camilla, DM - is all.

James, Cambridge, United Kingdom, 49 minutes from now
Disgraceful - she dd not. Many of us clinically qualified doctors (including psychiatrists) have debated this in public and private. Does it not occur to you that this, along with several other recent articles, is merely paving the way for what will be our future King and his wife - i.e. King Charles and Queen Camilla? This article is shameful. Charles continued to meet up with Camilla and they continued to have an intimate relationship throughout his marriage to Diana - FACT, Perhaps some of the former inner circle will come clean and admit to helping to facilitate it by allowing trysts to take place in their homes? Diana was vulnerable -yes - but her suspicions were also true. Charles and his staff made a point of placing the blame on D's mental illness for the breakdown of his marriage. How convenient. A spoilt, narcissistic man who didn't like sharing the limelight. He - together with his co-adulterer Camilla - are our future King and Queen.

K.M., Coeur dAlene, 50 minutes from now
The Archbishop thought Diana should have made the marriage work even though Charles was screwing Camilla?
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James, Cambridge, United Kingdom, 59 minutes from now
and he never stopped having "fun" with Camilla right though his (and her - as in Camilla's) marriage/s. Camilla and Charles are both adulterers and were long before Diana was driven into the arms of another man. So has does that work? Two people who continued their adulterous relationship- each playing a part in the other person's marriage breakdown (let's not forget that Charles' affair with Camilla resulted in her divorce from Andrew Parker Bowles) subquently being appointed as King and Queen - and with the King being head of the Church of England. Hypocrisy personified (in Camilla and Charles)
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It's no wonder decent families didn't want their daughters or female relatives to get mixed up with that family. In honesty, Arab families could have had their daughters engaged to Charles and shipped to England for the wedding. Oddly, ti's the same with William. Apparently no families ever have the princes over and introduce them to female relatives. There's a reason William settled on Kate and Charles had to dupe a nineteen year old.


Title: Re: Charles & Diana's Marriage
Post by: Tatiana on April 06, 2017, 10:29:10 pm
  There were more than a few young ladies who turned down a proposal of marriage from Charles, including Mountbatten's granddaughter.  I feel Diana was let down by her family as well as C&C and the RF. 
   There is definitely a massive PR offensive to make C&C more palatable to the public,  most of the public can't stand either one of them.


Title: Re: Charles & Diana's Marriage
Post by: Alexandrine on April 06, 2017, 10:42:25 pm
Even her own sister did not want to marry him. I wonder if she tried to persuade Diana but she ignored her.


Title: Re: Charles & Diana's Marriage
Post by: CathyJane on April 07, 2017, 02:32:52 am
All of Chucky's possible candidates for wife knew about Cam and her iron grip on him. Diana, imo being young and full of romantic ideas, thought she could break that hold.


Title: Re: Charles & Diana's Marriage
Post by: Tatiana on April 07, 2017, 08:01:36 am
  Agree CathyJane.   I doubt anyone tried to warn her. 


Title: Re: Charles & Diana's Marriage
Post by: Kuei Fei on April 07, 2017, 09:32:50 am
Even her own sister did not want to marry him.

Sarah was ticked that Charles had dumped her after the 'dustman' interview and was allegedly jealous of Diana for landing the prince that she lost.


Title: Re: Charles & Diana's Marriage
Post by: sandy on April 07, 2017, 12:36:32 pm
I don't think Sarah wanted to marry Charles.If so she'd never have given that interview. Charles was a rebound for Sarah after the DUke of Westminster (the man she really wanted to marry) broke up with her.


Title: Re: Charles & Diana's Marriage
Post by: Tatiana on April 09, 2017, 01:27:43 am
  Sarah was not jealous in the least ... Good Grief.  :dontknow:


Title: Re: Charles & Diana's Marriage
Post by: sandy on April 09, 2017, 01:16:11 pm
Some on Amazon are lambasting the Bedell Smith book. But I am alarmed that some reviewers in the media take her word as gospel (the Mad Diana spin). Why don't her sons speak up? This is such a disgrace. I hope Bedell Smith's book ends up as papers at the bottom of a parrot cage.


Title: Re: Charles & Diana's Marriage
Post by: CathyJane on April 09, 2017, 09:35:11 pm
People will believe what they want to believe regardless of facts. Sad but true


Title: Re: Charles & Diana's Marriage
Post by: HRHOlya on June 04, 2017, 12:13:14 am
'My marriage was a Greek tragedy': Prince Charles's astonishing hand-written letters to Nancy Reagan reveal his anguish over his split from Diana

    We can reveal the personal letters between Prince Charles and the Reagans
    They vary in tone and content and are written in the Prince’s trademark black
    He talks about his marriage and the 'dread' after the Queen Mother died


Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-4569560/Prince-Charles-s-hand-written-letters-Nancy-Reagan.html

His handwriting is unusual, he connects not only the letters, but even words at times..


Title: Re: Charles & Diana's Marriage
Post by: dianab on June 04, 2017, 01:58:32 am
What a sycophant Robert Jobson is. I wonder if he's jealous of Fawcett :cookie:


Title: Re: Charles & Diana's Marriage
Post by: sandy on June 04, 2017, 05:42:17 am
Charles instead of whingeing letters should have tried to work things out with his wife and the two could have gone to an objective marriage counselor. It's funny how there seems to be a competition between William and CHarles. Charles now has the "poor me" "poor Camilla" spin then William discloses his pain over the loss of his mother Diana.


Title: Re: Charles & Diana's Marriage
Post by: Kuei Fei on June 04, 2017, 07:09:33 am
I can't get over how much residual damage that Camilla has caused; not just the breakup, but the remarriage and her determination to be forgiven and have her actions justified. All Camilla has to do is own up and if she had that courage, she would likely be a lot more tolerated and there would be closure. Instead Camilla and Charles keep up the justification, practically BEGGING people to 'see it their way' even when people can't understand and never will. If they dropped the pity act they would get more respect and Charles could have used his taking responsibility as a way of guiding William.


Title: Re: Charles & Diana's Marriage
Post by: dianab on June 04, 2017, 02:19:57 pm
Charles instead of whingeing letters should have tried to work things out with his wife and the two could have gone to an objective marriage counselor. It's funny how there seems to be a competition between William and CHarles. Charles now has the "poor me" "poor Camilla" spin then William discloses his pain over the loss of his mother Diana.
In their Washington visit after the night that Diana danced with Travolta, Charles referred to Diana as a stupid in a press conference if she hadnt liked dancing with Travolta. In that press conference he was hardly proud or besotted with Diana and the media interest in her. Obviously this video isnt shown in this article.


Title: Re: Charles & Diana's Marriage
Post by: jackiew on June 04, 2017, 02:21:39 pm
Well said Kuei Fei, taking responsibility for their own wrong doing would go a long way in gaining them respect. Trying to rewrite history by justifying their actions will never ingratiate them to the public, it only serves to annoy and remind people why they dislike them.


Title: Re: Charles & Diana's Marriage
Post by: sandy on June 04, 2017, 02:46:13 pm
Charles finds crawling sycophants like Junor and Smith to do his dirty work. His line is that it was not his and Camilla's fault because Diana was "mad." The two probably hatch stories like Diana attacking St. Charles while he was "praying." RIdiculous.


Title: Re: Charles & Diana's Marriage
Post by: jackiew on June 04, 2017, 04:29:39 pm
ITA, no matter how my sycophants like Junior do his dirty work, this line of attacking the dead mother of his children will always reflect poorly on him and Camilla. Also people can see right through their lies, when will they finally realize that Joe public is on to their tricks.


Title: Re: Charles & Diana's Marriage
Post by: leogirl on June 04, 2017, 08:24:30 pm
Even if Diana was "mad" he should have helped her. What happened to "in sickness and in health"? I think she was "mad" because she figured out what was going on with Charles and his mistresses (Camilla wasn't even the only one), and the people around her tried to convince her that she was just paranoid. That would drive anyone crazy, and for a very young woman (she got married 28 days after her 20th birthday, just barely out of her teens) in the international public eye it would make things that much worse.


Title: Re: Charles & Diana's Marriage
Post by: jackiew on June 04, 2017, 09:16:23 pm
ITA, she must have felt frustrated, hurt, like she was surrounded by traitors and that they were conspiring against her.


Title: Re: Charles & Diana's Marriage
Post by: sandy on June 04, 2017, 10:32:02 pm
Even if Diana was "mad" he should have helped her. What happened to "in sickness and in health"? I think she was "mad" because she figured out what was going on with Charles and his mistresses (Camilla wasn't even the only one), and the people around her tried to convince her that she was just paranoid. That would drive anyone crazy, and for a very young woman (she got married 28 days after her 20th birthday, just barely out of her teens) in the international public eye it would make things that much worse.

Charles has to try to excuse what he did. He never blames himself so he takes the low road and labels his first wife "mad". He reminds me of the Charles Boyer character in Gaslight who tried to make his wife appear "mad" . Diana was spot on about Camilla.


Title: Re: Charles & Diana's Marriage
Post by: Kuei Fei on June 05, 2017, 02:18:32 am
You know, most politicians don't let the mistress undermine the wife or usurp the wife's role. Charles is so weak that I think he got off in being the center of a cat-fight over him between two women.


Title: Re: Charles & Diana's Marriage
Post by: leogirl on June 05, 2017, 06:51:58 am
Maybe his ego was so wounded by the media attention Diana got that he needed a boost by trying to get women to fight over him?  bignono


Title: Re: Charles & Diana's Marriage
Post by: Stephanie on June 12, 2017, 03:15:20 pm
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/femail/article-4594190/Secret-Princess-Diana-tapes-reveal-marriage-unravelled.html


Title: Re: Charles & Diana's Marriage
Post by: kolkomilko on June 13, 2017, 06:46:23 am
^ Who did leak it?  :cookie:


Title: Re: Charles & Diana's Marriage
Post by: dianab on June 13, 2017, 01:15:20 pm
Diana herself collaborated with Andrew Morton in 1992. This transcripts come out in 1997 soon after her death.


Title: Re: Charles & Diana's Marriage
Post by: kolkomilko on June 13, 2017, 01:47:15 pm
^ Thank you.  :flower:


Title: Re: Charles & Diana's Marriage
Post by: Stargazer on June 18, 2017, 12:50:14 pm
I am watching an explosive Australian 60 minutes on The Diana Tapes - wow! Anyone else?


Title: Re: Charles & Diana's Marriage
Post by: HRHOlya on June 18, 2017, 01:55:21 pm
^ Is there any link for that? Youtube or anything else?


Title: Re: Charles & Diana's Marriage
Post by: Rosella on June 18, 2017, 02:49:00 pm
Yes, I watched the Diana tapes tonight. However I'd seen and heard it all before. Especially Andrew Morton's views on Diana and how he got involved in the taping of it.


Title: Re: Charles & Diana's Marriage
Post by: deGuernsey on June 18, 2017, 03:14:00 pm
Wrong thread.


Title: Re: Charles & Diana's Marriage
Post by: Stephanie on June 26, 2017, 11:25:55 pm
Diana was just a teenage girl who expected to be loved, protected and be taken care of by her husband/ first ever lover.
A hopeless romantic.
Chuck had gold on his hands there and he blew it all away.
She was little more then a child when she married Chuck, traumatized by her childhood but confident that she could make a new start with Chuck and move on.
Build a life together.
The Wrinkly Homewrecker and Needy Whiner Chuck made that impossible.


Title: Re: Charles & Diana's Marriage
Post by: Stargazer on June 27, 2017, 01:02:07 am
'Diana cried, ranted and kicked the furniture for six hours': How Charles's new wife hit out when he left her alone and 'nearly knocked a flunky flying' when she found a bracelet for Camilla (before he ended the romance with a sad glance at their wedding)

Author Penny Junor tells of Diana's paranoia and tantrums over the relationship between Charles and Camilla (pictured wearing a bracelet given to her by the Prince before his wedding).


http://www.dailymail.co.uk/femail/article-4638024/Biography-Camilla-lifts-lid-affair-Charles.html

In response to the re release of the Diana book by Andrew Morton, the Charles camp is hitting back.

It's a real hatchet job on someone who can't respond - this is only one persons account and may well be completely false. What a juvenile, cruel act, considering the recent revelations of Harry and his struggle with coming to terms with Diana's death. No wonder he's gone off to Africa. It makes me even more revolted by Cold & Cruel.


Title: Re: Charles & Diana's Marriage
Post by: sandy on June 27, 2017, 01:28:07 am
Junor had this in the works since 2015, a little present for Camilla. So Diana sent a "flunky" flying across the room! Junor sounds like she's hallucinating. Even without Diana in the picture, Charles private life was one sordid mess. He hung out with couples. The PBs and the Tryons. The Tryons took Charles on a vacation. And Charles went on "dates" with the PBs. And of course Charles had a go at the wives: Camilla and Kanga. CHarles is a disgusting mess.


Title: Re: Charles & Diana's Marriage
Post by: Stargazer on June 27, 2017, 01:59:24 am
 ^It does sound like fantasy, Sandy. If it's been planned since 2015 in order to besmirch Diana"s reputation on the 20th year since her death, it's even more disturbing and IMO completely backfired. It just shows how unstable and vindictive Cruella has become. She must know the effect this would have on Wills & Haza. It's not doing C&C any good at all, only reinforcing people's memories of what Diana had to endure. Vile couple.


Title: Re: Charles & Diana's Marriage
Post by: jackiew on June 27, 2017, 08:54:32 am
^ITA, its proof of how self-obsessed and unrepentant C&C are.


Title: Re: Charles & Diana's Marriage
Post by: india on June 27, 2017, 03:29:49 pm
I am so disgusted and sick to God of hearing about all of this.


Title: Re: Charles & Diana's Marriage
Post by: marion on June 27, 2017, 04:01:27 pm
These latest revelations are sickening - why drag it all up when Diana has been dead for 20 years.  Of course we know the answer to that is to try and make camilla out to be the poor victim and of course she only renewed her relationship with PC when a couple of his friends contacted her as they were so worried about his mental state - I bet she was as pleased as punch and quick enough to whip off her "you know whats" :shy:

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-4641418/Diana-s-threatening-phone-calls-Camilla-night.html


Title: Re: Charles & Diana's Marriage
Post by: sandy on June 27, 2017, 09:03:20 pm
It's a bunch of lies. There are some writers who say Charles and Camilla resumed their relationship in 1983. I think they were in touch the entire time. Charles is pathetically using the Jane Eyre story spin, With Camilla as virtuous Jane rescuing Charles as Mr Rochester with the "mad" wife. Even down to Diana destroying Charles' art work. What a joke. Camilla IMO is a greedy woman who went about getting what the wife had.


Title: Re: Charles & Diana's Marriage
Post by: leogirl on June 28, 2017, 01:00:15 am
I think they resumed their affair in September 1981. I don't think Charles was faithful for very long at all, and how else did Camilla have all that inside knowledge to leak details about C&D's marriage to the press?


Title: Re: Charles & Diana's Marriage
Post by: CathyJane on June 28, 2017, 02:52:10 am
Just utterly disgusting. imo C&C were never out of touch; he has always been too dependent on Cams; he's a weak willed whiney baby.


Title: Re: Charles & Diana's Marriage
Post by: HRHOlya on June 28, 2017, 09:34:37 am
It's well known they were never out of touch. Shagging her right before the wedding and then spending ages on the phone to her on the honeymoon.. How he expected any woman to accept that is beyond me. And Camzilla dictating baby plans to him and him following suit is one of the vilest and most disgusting things. It's reasonable to say that she was jealous and didn't want Di to have anymore kids with Chuck. If Camilla was so hurt & devastated by Andrew PB affairs as claimed by Junor (which I don't doubt is true), then why did she do the same to another woman, a young woman barely out of her teens?


Title: Re: Charles & Diana's Marriage
Post by: Kuei Fei on June 28, 2017, 10:25:06 am
^Amazing; a mistress telling a prince how many heirs he is allowed to have. He could have given Diana a houseful of children to occupy her time, but instead only gave her two and left her in an empty nursery by the time she was thirty. Usually princes worked hard to have at least two healthy children, but here was Charles who had a wife who could produce healthy children by the dozen, but refused. If Diana had had one kid each year of her twenties (as she supposedly wanted) then she would have ended up occupied with her children and then happy enough with work and family. As a result of Camilla's meddling, there are no viable heirs to replace the two idiot princes.


Title: Re: Charles & Diana's Marriage
Post by: sandy on June 28, 2017, 03:10:10 pm
Alexandra had a philandering husband but he did not leave her bed after he got his heir and spare. She had some intimacy with him and they had a houseload of children. His mistresses did not even dare say one bad word about the royal wife nor dared tell him how many babies the wife should have. Though what Edward VII did was gross, he did not let a mistress oust the wife.  Camilla is an absolute disgrace and Charles is a *fool*.


Title: Re: Charles & Diana's Marriage
Post by: jackiew on June 28, 2017, 03:38:11 pm
^ITA  :thumbsup: Charles is not only a fool but a weakling of a man.


Title: Re: Charles & Diana's Marriage
Post by: Kuei Fei on June 29, 2017, 01:00:46 am
I he had kept Diana pregnant regularly, he would have had a houseful of heirs, Diana would have been too busy with them, and all in all he would have had an active family life. Win-win and I am certain that Camilla wouldn't have destroyed the monarchy in the way that she has. Diana would have been too busy with children and her other issues would have been kept at bay and she would have been more stable. With as many kids, divorce would have been out the window.


Title: Re: Charles & Diana's Marriage
Post by: Tatiana on June 30, 2017, 11:46:12 pm
  Kuei ,

   Diana was not a breeding rabbit.  Diana was not unstable, even Dr Khan said that.   :Kate:

   Charles started going fox hunting when Diana was pregnant with William,  having more pregnancies would have changed what exactly. ?
   
   Diana had duties to perform as Princess of Wales. 

   Charles has always been a weak and pathetic ditherer, having more children wouldn't have made him otherwise.


Title: Re: Charles & Diana's Marriage
Post by: sandy on July 01, 2017, 12:41:05 am
Camilla probably ordered CHarles not to have more children. Which is why CHarles was so disappointed the second one was not a daughter. He knew he was going to ditch Diana and refuse her more children.


Title: Re: Charles & Diana's Marriage
Post by: leogirl on July 03, 2017, 03:08:29 am
^^ I think it's more about Camilla's influence. Charles and Diana should have worked on their marriage. They could have probably found more things in common if they spent more time together, made an effort to try things that the other person enjoyed even if it wasn't their favorite activity. Camilla should not have been in charge of how many kids they had: not her marriage, not her place. Maybe #3 would have been a daughter and Charles could have had the daughter he wanted and Diana could have had another kid. No guarantee of a pregnancy every year, Diana had a miscarriage between William and Harry and I know a couple that wanted 12 kids but only had four (and they married young too). But a mistress should not have a say in another family's size, nor tell a man to leave his wife's bed.  :thumbsdown:


Title: Re: Charles & Diana's Marriage
Post by: Ariel on July 03, 2017, 07:14:17 am
from what I read Camilla was in charge of pretty much everything.


Title: Re: Charles & Diana's Marriage
Post by: Little light on July 03, 2017, 07:08:04 pm
^^

She had a miscarriage? I never knew that. Can I ask how you know please? I'm really curious.

Thanks :thankyou:


Title: Re: Charles & Diana's Marriage
Post by: HRHOlya on July 03, 2017, 08:30:34 pm
^ One summer (or autumn? winter? no idea tbh, I think autumnish) they were up in Scotland and Diana went down to London (don't remember either anymore whether that was planned or not, but think not) and went to her gynaecologist, and then back up to Scotland or so and the wide assumption is that at the time she had a miscarrage because all of the circumstances allude to pretty much that. I don't remember the details of it (as you can clearly see), but this is the gist of it. If you google "diana miscarriage" I'm sure many sites will come up with the gossip from the time and people's opinion etc, but everyone is pretty much convinced she had a miscarriage!


Title: Re: Charles & Diana's Marriage
Post by: Rosella on July 03, 2017, 10:07:05 pm
None of the biographies on Diana that I've read (and I've bought several over the years) speak of her having had a miscarriage, not even Sarah Bradford or Lady Colin Campbell, who had access to Society gossip, mention it. Nor, more significantly, did Diana ever mention that she'd had a miscarriage in any of her tapes. Nor does it come up in female friends' memories of her.

This may or may not be relevant but Diana later complained to Morton and others that Charles was rather reluctant to make love to her. She stated that it was a once every three weeks sort of thing, but 'somehow we had Harry'. Of course, that rate has nothing to do with losing a baby but you self- evidently of course you have to have sex to become pregnant!


Title: Re: Charles & Diana's Marriage
Post by: HRHOlya on July 03, 2017, 10:39:40 pm
^ That's something I've been thinking about too. Never has it been said by anything remotely "official" that she had one and she herself never said it either. Depending on the circumstances and what went on, it would have been quite an addition to the Wales war, "I lost our child and C wasn't there for me". Maybe she had one and kept that really private...  :dontknow: What sent speculation into overdrive, understandably, was that she'd interrupted a family holiday to specifically go to her gyn in Ldn all the way from the boonies (I kid, from Scotland I think to remember, Balmoral). Makes it look like sth was up. If she had a regular appointment, I'm sure that could have been moved to a more convenient date..

I can't quite understand why he wouldn't touch Diana, it's not like he didn't have a libido, he seems to have been at it with Camz like a rabbit. And with his duty to have an heir and a spare it's even weirder..


Title: Re: Charles & Diana's Marriage
Post by: Kuei Fei on July 03, 2017, 11:06:38 pm
^In regards to that, maybe Charles likes to do certain things that he didn't have the guts to ask his virginal bride to do or didn't have the patience to teach her. A lot of powerful men are like that and they prefer a 'well trained' woman for the sick stuff they like. Camilla's vast experience could mean that she's skilled at stuff we can't imagine and I daresay that Diana likely didn't know the half of it. I mean, there was something mentioned on here how at a party the guys would throw their car keys on a table and the woman would pick up the one and go off with the man whose keys she picked.

Being who she was at her status, Diana was raised to be a chatelaine and basically knew that she wouldn't have to degrade herself by using sexual acrobatics to get a man to marry her. Diana's future was secure and was going to be something that was straightforward. Camilla on the other hand was someone who was going to have to make an effort if she wanted someone with real status and she couldn't just easily attract one by meeting a compatible guy while working the corporate ladder or working in a shop, the only way up was via a man and I can kind of see how Camilla really did think that it would be the only way for her. Yet, she wrecked Charles' marriage and that is what makes it unforgivable.


Title: Re: Charles & Diana's Marriage
Post by: Little light on July 04, 2017, 01:23:39 am
Thanks for that. I remember her visit to London now.
I never paid much attention to it at the time. I think I still believed in the fairy tale at that point.


Title: Re: Charles & Diana's Marriage
Post by: Rosella on July 04, 2017, 02:58:29 am
Camilla was a debutante, who came out at Queen Charlotte's Ball at eighteen. Her father was comfortably off but mother's family, the Cubitts, had a lot of money. An ancestor had been responsible for developing whole suburbs of London.

 Both sides of the family were well-connected, with titles on both sides. Camilla, whom I think is pretty loathsome, nevertheless wasn't worried about getting a job after she'd been to finishing school in Switzerland. I doubt that she would have known what a corporate ladder was.

Camilla had a few temporary jobs, including one at an art dealers that only lasted a couple of days. She was late because she was visiting her wealthy grandmother at the Savoy hotel the night before and overslept. Camilla shared a London flat with the daughter of the Cabinet of the Exchequer.

Junor, in her latest book, remarks that Camilla was completely unambitious as all she wanted to be was an upper middleclass wife in the country with horses and dogs, like her mother. She had boyfriends, notably from the polo and horsy set, because she (fox) hunted (as did her father who was a Master of Foxhounds) and was often at the polo. She fell in love with Andrew PB at eighteen and pursued him for seven years on and off, but not primarily for status and money. She was nominally his girlfriend but he was a womaniser.

The only female who married into the Royal family who had not much money and who worked because she needed to, and had a ton of boyfriends along the way was Fergie. Her father, Major Ron, was well-connected as was her mother, but there was no money on either side.


Title: Re: Charles & Diana's Marriage
Post by: sandy on July 04, 2017, 05:22:32 pm
Camilla had lovers not boyfriends. She was experienced when she started dating Andrew PB. The two cheated on each other.


Title: Re: Charles & Diana's Marriage
Post by: Kuei Fei on July 04, 2017, 07:23:07 pm
Camilla was a debutante, who came out at Queen Charlotte's Ball at eighteen. Her father was comfortably off but mother's family, the Cubitts, had a lot of money. An ancestor had been responsible for developing whole suburbs of London.

 Both sides of the family were well-connected, with titles on both sides. Camilla, whom I think is pretty loathsome, nevertheless wasn't worried about getting a job after she'd been to finishing school in Switzerland. I doubt that she would have known what a corporate ladder was.

Camilla had a few temporary jobs, including one at an art dealers that only lasted a couple of days. She was late because she was visiting her wealthy grandmother at the Savoy hotel the night before and overslept. Camilla shared a London flat with the daughter of the Cabinet of the Exchequer.

Junor, in her latest book, remarks that Camilla was completely unambitious as all she wanted to be was an upper middleclass wife in the country with horses and dogs, like her mother. She had boyfriends, notably from the polo and horsy set, because she (fox) hunted (as did her father who was a Master of Foxhounds) and was often at the polo. She fell in love with Andrew PB at eighteen and pursued him for seven years on and off, but not primarily for status and money. She was nominally his girlfriend but he was a womaniser.

The only female who married into the Royal family who had not much money and who worked because she needed to, and had a ton of boyfriends along the way was Fergie. Her father, Major Ron, was well-connected as was her mother, but there was no money on either side.

Camilla's money and contacts doesn't change the fact that she was clearly sleeping with almost everyone she met. She didn't have much by way of herself and you're missing the point: Camilla was blazing through every bed she could find and also be passed around to. She never seemed to be able to find a man who pursued her with honorable intentions and she didn't seem to actually go out on the town to nice places with any guy that we know of.


Title: Re: Charles & Diana's Marriage
Post by: Rosella on July 04, 2017, 10:42:26 pm
^ Camilla lived the life of upper middleclass women of the time. Upper class people attended polo matches and hunted, and she saw them in London as well. She and Andrew Parker Bowles went out on the town to restaurants in the West End and to parties, while they dated. We know they went to polo balls.

The Parker Bowles family had Royal and other upper class connections, Andrew was a Guards officer, the Household Cavalry is probably the smartest regiment in the British Army. He got engaged to Camilla and married her after all, (betrothal and marriage are surely honourable) and when they were dating they certainly wouldn't have been sitting at home every night! They also attended houseparties in the country at some weekends like other people of their class.

I'm certainly no fan of Camilla's but, KF, where have you read that she led a wild life being passed from man to man?  She had other boyfriends, we know Charles was one, but certainly nothing like you have described. Could you please give me links to articles or books that name these dozens of men she slept with and Camilla's lifestyle as a single woman? If she'd had that sort of hugely wild reputation it's strange that royalty, including the Queen Mother, would have come to her wedding.

I don't know what you mean by 'she didn't have much by way of herself'. She and her siblings had Cubitt money. Her grandmother, Sonia was very wealthy and her grandchildren were left considerable sums. That's why Camilla didn't need to work as a single woman.


Title: Re: Charles & Diana's Marriage
Post by: sandy on July 04, 2017, 10:53:36 pm
Camilla was a debutante, who came out at Queen Charlotte's Ball at eighteen. Her father was comfortably off but mother's family, the Cubitts, had a lot of money. An ancestor had been responsible for developing whole suburbs of London.

 Both sides of the family were well-connected, with titles on both sides. Camilla, whom I think is pretty loathsome, nevertheless wasn't worried about getting a job after she'd been to finishing school in Switzerland. I doubt that she would have known what a corporate ladder was.

Camilla had a few temporary jobs, including one at an art dealers that only lasted a couple of days. She was late because she was visiting her wealthy grandmother at the Savoy hotel the night before and overslept. Camilla shared a London flat with the daughter of the Cabinet of the Exchequer.

Junor, in her latest book, remarks that Camilla was completely unambitious as all she wanted to be was an upper middleclass wife in the country with horses and dogs, like her mother. She had boyfriends, notably from the polo and horsy set, because she (fox) hunted (as did her father who was a Master of Foxhounds) and was often at the polo. She fell in love with Andrew PB at eighteen and pursued him for seven years on and off, but not primarily for status and money. She was nominally his girlfriend but he was a womaniser.

The only female who married into the Royal family who had not much money and who worked because she needed to, and had a ton of boyfriends along the way was Fergie. Her father, Major Ron, was well-connected as was her mother, but there was no money on either side.

Camilla's money and contacts doesn't change the fact that she was clearly sleeping with almost everyone she met. She didn't have much by way of herself and you're missing the point: Camilla was blazing through every bed she could find and also be passed around to. She never seemed to be able to find a man who pursued her with honorable intentions and she didn't seem to actually go out on the town to nice places with any guy that we know of.

Mountbatten did refer to Camilla as "good mistress material" for Charles. She was not virginal when she started dating APB and the two cheated on each other. So she should not have been "shocked" that the same pattern continued into the marriage. Mountbatten wanted his (then) underage granddaughter Amanda. to grow up so while that was happening Charles could get involved with "unsuitable" women he could not even consider marrying then when she came of age, he could marry Amanda. The Queen Mum was fond of Andrew Parker Bowles and I think that's why she attended Camilla's and Andrew's wedding.

She was under the radar for the media when Charles was looking for Ms. Right. THen after she was "safely" married she was portrayed as one of Charles' married friends who "inspected" his girlfriends for suitability for dating.

Charles did not see her as a possible wife and mother to his children. He admitted to his biographer he moved on because he was "too young" to get married.


Title: Re: Charles & Diana's Marriage
Post by: Rosella on July 04, 2017, 11:10:35 pm
^ I dislike Camilla intensely, and she was certainly as a married woman regarded as a 'safe' mistress for Charles, and she almost certainly had a lover or two in her marriage besides Charles after her children were born. Camilla met Andrew at eighteen when she was a deb and I would bet, although I certainly don't know, that it was Andrew that she lost her virginity to. She had other boyfriends during the seven or so years that she and Andrew were dating and she was nominally his girlfriend.

However, I have never read anywhere that Camilla as a single woman blazed her way through men and slept with practically every man she met. If you have read that anywhere Sandy, could you please tell me where, so I can look it up and read it for myself?

Nor have I ever read that she never went out to anywhere nice in town or that boyfriends never took her out anywhere. There are photos still around of a young Camilla and a young Charles in a car having attended an event, so she certainly went out on that occasion and with a very prominent boyfriend!

Camilla was independently wealthy, by the way. As I said in my previous post she and her siblings had access to Cubitt money when she was single and Sonia Cubitt left her £500,000.


Title: Re: Charles & Diana's Marriage
Post by: sandy on July 05, 2017, 12:21:08 am
No, she lost her virginity to someone else. He came forward to the media

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/femail/article-459315/The-night-Camilla-lost-virginity--changed-history-royals.html

Let me put it this way, Camilla was very experienced. Junor says she was referred to Charles by Lucia Santa Cruz. But Junor fails to mention that Charles lost his virginity to Lucia who told him to meet Camilla. That photo with Charles was not from an individual date with Charles. It was from ca. 1975 after her marriage to APB. Other photos show that Andrew was also on this "date." Charles oddly "dated" the mistresses at times with their husbands present. He also did the same with Dale Tryon and her husband. Very strange. So Charles could be out with these ladies and it be "safe" because the husbands were there too. All very "civilized". Charles was not her boyfriend during that night on the town, on the surface she was with her husband with Charles going with them.

Camilla had money troubles after the divorce from APB. She really was not independently wealthy so Charles purchased her home Raymill for her since she apparently could not afford to keep it. I don't know what happened to the money she inherited. It seems it was not enough for her to maintain a comfortable lifestyle.


Title: Re: Charles & Diana's Marriage
Post by: Rosella on July 05, 2017, 12:52:37 am
^ Yes, I read that article after I'd posted! Nevertheless, three boyfriends with whom Camilla was probably intimate does not mean that she was a wild woman with a disgusting reputation who bedded every man she saw. When Camilla was young it was the Swinging Sixties and certainly there were plenty of girls in London, who were worse, much worse! It certainly made her unsuitable as a wife of Charles, however, as his future wife wasn't supposed to have had a sexual past at all. Lucia Santa Cruz, incidentally, has always denied that she was Charles's lover and does so again in Junor's latest book. She stated that she was dating her future husband at the time she met Charles.

There is also in this article ample proof that Camilla was taken out by boyfriends to cocktail parties, dances and other events within London Society, as pages in magazines like Tatler showed. As far as her money went, the Parker Bowles' hunted, a very expensive pastime, and it was supposedly Camilla's money that bought Bolehyde, their first marital home.



Title: Re: Charles & Diana's Marriage
Post by: Kuei Fei on July 05, 2017, 12:58:24 am
Perhaps her wrecking a marriage has rather dirtied her in my eyes.



Title: Re: Charles & Diana's Marriage
Post by: Rosella on July 05, 2017, 01:15:42 am
^ I regard Camilla as totally disgusting, callous, disdainful and horrible individual, KF. I can hardly bear to look at photos of her grinning face.  We talk about Kate but at least Kate didn't plot to destroy the marriage of a very young woman and later move into Highgrove to act as hostess in her lover's wife's place. IMO I hope she never becomes Queen.


Title: Re: Charles & Diana's Marriage
Post by: sandy on July 05, 2017, 01:19:40 am
^ Yes, I read that article after I'd posted! Nevertheless, three boyfriends with whom Camilla was probably intimate does not mean that she was a wild woman with a disgusting reputation who bedded every man she saw. When Camilla was young it was the Swinging Sixties and certainly there were plenty of girls in London, who were worse, much worse! It certainly made her unsuitable as a wife of Charles, however, as his future wife wasn't supposed to have had a sexual past at all. Lucia Santa Cruz, incidentally, has always denied that she was Charles's lover and does so again in Junor's latest book. She stated that she was dating her future husband at the time she met Charles.

There is also in this article ample proof that Camilla was taken out by boyfriends to cocktail parties, dances and other events within London Society, as pages in magazines like Tatler showed. As far as her money went, the Parker Bowles' hunted, a very expensive pastime, and it was supposedly Camilla's money that bought Bolehyde, their first marital home.



I don't think Camilla gave Charles his first sexual experience--certainly Junor would have used that if it were true. I am not sure why Santa Cruz denies it at this late date. Charles was said to be smitten with her. Lucia dating someone in that circle would not have barred her from sleeping with the Prince.

Camilla was never really independently wealthy. And she had expensive tastes, obviously.

KF it is nauseating that this woman is raised to sainthood by Junor and other lackeys after what she did. At least Wallis did not break up a royal marriage the way Camilla did.



Title: Re: Charles & Diana's Marriage
Post by: Kuei Fei on July 05, 2017, 01:42:07 am
According to Tina Brown, Camilla allegedly had money, but she ended up blowing it all on a new house after her divorce and by making herself cash poor, placed herself in Charles' hands via the reasoning that a visible royal mistress has to look good. Charles fell for it hook, line, and sinker. So she started mooching right after. Allegedly her finances were so bad that she had to hide when merchants came calling for their bills to be paid. Despite being connected, she was not so rich that she had the best of everything. Camilla had her debut in a rented ballroom and had off the rack dresses and borrowed family jewels. I don't think she was ever wealthy that she could live like Diana could. She didn't really actually have the same kind of security. She was dependent on Charles' largesse that came her way and was certainly not going to be able to lead a comfortable country life if she were single. Camilla's family was not going to throw all sorts of money her way and I do know that for her, marriage and her husband's salary was the only way for her to survive. Women of her background were practically FORBIDDEN to have careers since their role was mainly ornamental.


Title: Re: Charles & Diana's Marriage
Post by: Rosella on July 05, 2017, 02:01:47 am
By the 1960's though there were very few country gentry families or indeed aristocrats who had large houses in London any more in which debutante balls could be held. If there wasn't a large stately home in the country most people whose daughters still became debs used West End hotels and rented ballrooms. Young girls weren't supposed to have vast amounts of jewellery apart from a string of pearls and a few bracelets and earrings. Diana herself used the Spencer tiara on her wedding day, which was borrowed.

I've got a suspicion that the Parker Bowles lived up to their income and then some. There was a bit of money in the Parker Bowles family, but being an officer in a smart regiment costs, even nowadays. Then there was the hunting, the social life around the hunting/polo set, horses' maintenance and the house to be bought which wouldn't have been cheap. £500,000 not invested wisely (and I have read she lost money in a Lloyds collapse in the 1980's) would have been sizeably reduced under those circumstances.


Title: Re: Charles & Diana's Marriage
Post by: Tatiana on July 09, 2017, 01:43:50 am
According to Tina Brown, Camilla allegedly had money, but she ended up blowing it all on a new house after her divorce and by making herself cash poor, placed herself in Charles' hands via the reasoning that a visible royal mistress has to look good. Charles fell for it hook, line, and sinker. So she started mooching right after. Allegedly her finances were so bad that she had to hide when merchants came calling for their bills to be paid. Despite being connected, she was not so rich that she had the best of everything. Camilla had her debut in a rented ballroom and had off the rack dresses and borrowed family jewels. I don't think she was ever wealthy that she could live like Diana could. She didn't really actually have the same kind of security. She was dependent on Charles' largesse that came her way and was certainly not going to be able to lead a comfortable country life if she were single. Camilla's family was not going to throw all sorts of money her way and I do know that for her, marriage and her husband's salary was the only way for her to survive. Women of her background were practically FORBIDDEN to have careers since their role was mainly ornamental.

  Camilla lost most of her money when Lloyds crashed... Charles encouraged all his friend to give her money to buy Raymill, and he also contributed.  She did not blow it on anything.


Title: Princess Diana once overheard Prince Charles talking dirty to mistress Camilla P
Post by: dianab on August 06, 2017, 03:37:23 pm
Princess Diana once overheard Prince Charles talking dirty to mistress Camilla Parker Bowles while sitting on the loo, secret bombshell tapes reveal
The Princess of Wales unloaded years of anger with the Royal Family in tapes recorded just months before her death in 1997

sex talk” with Camilla.

She also said that Camilla was the “raunchier of the two” after listening in on some of her husband’s phone calls to his mistress.

Her claims emerged in 12 hours of footage filmed by a handpicked BBC cameraman five months before her death in 1997.

They are separate to the tapes made by her voice coach Peter Settelen, which are due to be broadcast on Channel 4 tonight.

The cameraman, who has not been named, was secretly summoned to Kensington Palace by Diana in March 1997.

Over seven recording sessions, she offloaded years of anger with the Royal Family, including how she caught Charles red-handed — or “de flagrante” — talking with his mistress.

The cameraman kept a diary of the sessions in which he wrote: “She caught Charles and Camilla de flagrante after listening in to his phone calls.

“She described how she came to listen to their phone calls. In one, Charles was sitting on the toilet seat when she caught him.”

He said she described their conversation as phone sex talk, and claimed “Camilla was the raunchier of the two. She gives examples”.

https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/4179390/princess-diana-caught-prince-charles-talking-dirty-on-loo/


Title: Re: Princess Diana once overheard Prince Charles talking dirty to mistress Camilla P
Post by: HRHOlya on August 06, 2017, 04:18:05 pm
Oh wow, so more tapes exist, from march 1997?
This is certainly a new aspect. It gives me the impression that in the long run Diana might not have regretted the panorama interview and book with Morton, because then she wouldn't have done a new set of tapes as late as 1997...
Instead of destroying the Settelen tapes, she kept them, who knows why, but a possibility is imo that she might've intended to leak them at some point to the media..

The pic in my head of Charles sitting on the bog, having phone sex with Camilla is really funny!


Title: Re: Princess Diana once overheard Prince Charles talking dirty to mistress Camilla P
Post by: leogirl on August 06, 2017, 10:41:04 pm
That is disgusting. Sitting on the toilet taking a dump and having phone s*x. Well, he did say he wanted to come back as her tampon.  :ick:


Title: Re: Princess Diana once overheard Prince Charles talking dirty to mistress Camilla P
Post by: Fly on the wall on August 07, 2017, 12:19:33 am
WOW 20years after her death Diana still sticking it to the BRF  :tehe:


Title: Re: Princess Diana once overheard Prince Charles talking dirty to mistress Camilla P
Post by: Val on August 07, 2017, 07:34:35 am
^^

Yuk in spades!


Title: Re: Princess Diana once overheard Prince Charles talking dirty to mistress Camilla P
Post by: marion on August 07, 2017, 11:33:43 am
^ ^ :o :ick: :ick: :ick:


Title: Re: Princess Diana once overheard Prince Charles talking dirty to mistress Camilla P
Post by: gingerboy24 on August 07, 2017, 02:04:20 pm
Interesting that the Terrible Twins - aka bill medd and haza, have made no complaints so far about the airing of this last night.  Wonder if they are behind it, they are normally so quick to sue and jump on anyone and everyone.  Would not put it past them, an evil pair together.


Title: Re: Princess Diana once overheard Prince Charles talking dirty to mistress Camilla P
Post by: Rebecca on August 07, 2017, 04:16:43 pm
IMO the info shared on these tapes makes Charles and Diana look bad. Obviously C for doing such a disgusting thing, but also D for recording herself saying such things to someone. What caring mother does that sort of thing? Things like that should really stay between the couple involved, and not be aired out for the public (and their kids) to know about. Stuff like this is why W and H are the way they are, IMO.


Title: Re: Princess Diana once overheard Prince Charles talking dirty to mistress Camilla P
Post by: YooperModerator on August 07, 2017, 08:10:17 pm
^Perfectly true.  It's ghastly to have this aired in the public like this.

However, the timing of the release of it is highly suspicious.  Somebody put their stamp of approval on it and it has all the smell of court intrigue to me.


Title: Re: Princess Diana once overheard Prince Charles talking dirty to mistress Camilla P
Post by: HRHOlya on August 07, 2017, 09:09:10 pm
^ "The smell of court intrigue"!! That has me laughing; I think you are right, but it kind of sounds like sth you'd read or hear in a documentary about royals in the 18th or so century  :laugh: Though court intrigue is the same as family politics for normal people, eh?  :akasha:


Title: Re: Princess Diana once overheard Prince Charles talking dirty to mistress Camilla P
Post by: Val on August 07, 2017, 10:32:32 pm
The Midds, the lazy duo and all the medd family apparently fled the country whilst it was being aired according to staff.   Very obvious usual MO before yet another holiday.


Title: Re: Princess Diana once overheard Prince Charles talking dirty to mistress Camilla P
Post by: Val on August 07, 2017, 10:54:45 pm
Typical comment after the video

Belle de Jour, U.K., United Kingdom, about an hour ago
Every one of my friends who watched it last night were of the opinion that she came across as unstable, vindictive, self absorbed and unpleasant. No one likes Charles or Camilla either but Diana definitely lost points by doing these tapes.


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Title: Re: Princess Diana once overheard Prince Charles talking dirty to mistress Camilla P
Post by: dianab on August 07, 2017, 11:06:43 pm
Others typical comments:
Amoke, London, United Kingdom, about an hour ago
I thought the documentary was great. Diana was really lovely, so young and fresh, couldn't believe she was already the mother of two sons. Diana would be pleased , this was her chance to answer back after that awful Junor woman decided very insensitively to bring out a book on the even more awful Camilla when this year is supposed to remember Diana. The documentary made me feel that Diana is still very much with us. It didn't make me sad I actually felt elated to hear her.
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MistyTheCat, london, United Kingdom, 43 minutes ago
It was a reminder of how lovely and genuine she was.

pilgrim pete, plymouth, United Kingdom, 8 minutes ago
Charles a profoundly unimpressive man who should never be king. The treatment he meted out to his much younger, naive wife was appalling. He should hang his head in shame.

pilgrim pete, plymouth, United Kingdom, 10 minutes ago
They had about ten minutes if that of these speech therapist interviews and eighty minutes of padding. She came over as genuine enough though not necessarily the sharpest tool in the box.

WatfordGap, Farndish, United Kingdom, 6 hours ago

This is turning into the best whodunit murder mystery book ever. I can't wait for chapter 2 featuring Charlie boy's alibi. Then chapter 3 with the Billy and Harry take on the case. In conclusion I expect chapter 4 giving the Darker-Balls family's story in this affair. Hopefully that will be followed by a national referendum asking the population to vote on the name or names of the guilty.


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Title: Re: Princess Diana once overheard Prince Charles talking dirty to mistress Camilla P
Post by: Snowpea on August 08, 2017, 12:28:45 am
Oh, these people are deluded and hopeless.  :shy:



Title: Re: Princess Diana once overheard Prince Charles talking dirty to mistress Camilla P
Post by: sandy on August 08, 2017, 10:22:25 am
Typical comment after the video

Belle de Jour, U.K., United Kingdom, about an hour ago
Every one of my friends who watched it last night were of the opinion that she came across as unstable, vindictive, self absorbed and unpleasant. No one likes Charles or Camilla either but Diana definitely lost points by doing these tapes.


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There were favorable comments. Besides which what she said in the tapes has been in the public domain for many years. I don't see how she lost points since people already discussed what she said before.  Diana never intended to have those tapes out, she died. If she knew when she would die she would have most likely burned these tapes. I don't see her that way at all.  I think Charles and Camilla are the unpleasant, self absorbed, unstable and vindictive ones, judging by all the Diana bashing books that have come out since she died notably from Junor who admits she has a soft spot for Charles and Camilla is sexy and endearing. THe "mad" DIana allegations came right from Charles' camp--the oldest "defense" against adultery is the man labeling the wife 'unstable".  William and Harry knew about the tapes but had that tribute to their mother and they rarely talk about their father.  CHarles I think is the most self absorbed of them all. He set up the unhealthy situation marrying a much younger woman he did not love and expecting her to put up with his mistress. I do think Charles in one sense enjoyed the women fighting over him. And he needed those heirs.


Title: Re: Princess Diana once overheard Prince Charles talking dirty to mistress Camilla P
Post by: gingerboy24 on August 08, 2017, 11:03:24 am
Ah, but the difference is yes, most of what is on there is in the public domain, but to actually see her live on the video tapes is another thing entirely. She was behaving in a rather silly, erratic, childish fashion, quite surprised me.  Of course all the Diana sugars are going to defend her. I am a Diana fan and always have been, always will be, but even so I thought her was behaviour was rather pathetic on the video, which is quite sad really.  Also sad that many saw her in a different light and want to criticise.   We none of us know what she was going through at that point in time, maybe she was just hyped up/excited at finally getting some of it off her chest.  Who knows how different things might have turned out had he actually loved Diana as a woman, his wife and mother of his children.  But nope, he had to keep unzipping his pants, and not just with camzilla it would appear, there was Kanga for one.  She was young and unsure, and got zero help from anyone in that famil, other than HM saying "Charles is useless"  -  cry me a river, we all know that.  His other words were he was not going to be the only Prince of Wales in history without a mistress.  You kow what they say, marry the mistress and there is a vacancy, and I am sure if he is/was playing around camzilla would have known, but older, wiser and would not rock the boat.  Diana got a rum deal from chucky and the rf en masse in my view, they treated her very badly.  Although unimpressed with her behaviour on the vids I still take her side because of the way the rf treated her.  Dislike intensely her two evil spawn, but that is another matter.


Title: Re: Princess Diana once overheard Prince Charles talking dirty to mistress Camilla P
Post by: sandy on August 08, 2017, 11:29:11 am
Charles and Camilla had the embarrassing Camillagate taped, so self absorbed that they hoped an ambulance strike would not end, lest Mr PB return home. But the defenders for C and C say that well it was private and it was between them and so on and so on and someone intercepted it. They never intended that everybody here Charles talking dirty with Camilla be heard by everybody. Similarly, Diana did not intend these tapes to be aired, it was supposed to be speech practice. Diana for one reason or another trusted this man (her flaw was trusting the wrong people) and since she died, the man sold her out and had the tapes aired. She never expected to die at age 36. And it was not that she was sick and the end was  coming soon and she could take care of matters like destroying these tapes, before she died. I doubt she ever intended to have this air. I am surprised her family did not do more to make sure this would not happen. They seemed to be lax in taking care of the estate and so on.  Celebrities of course act differently in private and can say silly things. But it is kept private. In any case, these tapes have been out on youtube but they never should have seen the light of day.


Title: Re: Princess Diana once overheard Prince Charles talking dirty to mistress Camilla P
Post by: dianab on August 08, 2017, 12:52:00 pm
Oh wow, so more tapes exist, from march 1997?
This is certainly a new aspect. It gives me the impression that in the long run Diana might not have regretted the panorama interview and book with Morton, because then she wouldn't have done a new set of tapes as late as 1997...
Instead of destroying the Settelen tapes, she kept them, who knows why, but a possibility is imo that she might've intended to leak them at some point to the media..

The pic in my head of Charles sitting on the bog, having phone sex with Camilla is really funny!
IIRC in march/1997, Diana was labelled a loose cannon because her involvement with the landmines cause... close friends/sympathisers of Charles that labelled her such a thing


Title: Re: Charles & Diana's Marriage
Post by: HRHOlya on August 14, 2017, 01:19:54 am
Infidelity that won't be forgiven: MICHAEL THORNTON on why the British people will never forget the damage Charles and Camilla did to Diana

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Title: Diana, Charles and Camilla's cursed "love" triangle
Post by: Stephanie on August 14, 2017, 07:38:26 pm
The more I think about it,the more I start to think that Campon interfered with Chuck and Diana's marriage because she was consumed with jealousy.
Chuck IMO was never in love with Campon or he would have married her when he had the chance.
If he hesitated at the time he could have pursued Campon later on and then there would have been 3 persons in the Parker Bowles' marriage but there was no such thing.
APB was fine with Chuck and Campon's affair and Chuck felt NO NEED at all to marry the Wrinkly Homewrecker.
It must have been very humiliating for Campon to be second hand sloppy leftovers for both men.
Then Chuck fell in love.
Just found this picture and I've never seen Chuck more happy then this.
https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/236x/3b/4e/42/3b4e42a312ed3a83aa630892c9448136--princesa-diana-prince-charles.jpg
Being the ugly, lazy, slutty and alleged two fisted drinker that she is she couldn't cope with the fact that no man ever looked at her like Chuck looked at Diana.
She couldn't keep APB so her self worth depended on at least "keeping" Chuck.
From that point she started to drip her poison, nag, meddle, interfere, worming her way back into Chuck's life until the divorce, death of Diana and the damaged childhood of Wimpo and Harry.
Now that she has her way Chuck won't even live with her.
Actions speak louder then words imo.


Title: Re: Diana, Charles and Camilla's cursed "love" triangle
Post by: HRHOlya on August 14, 2017, 09:46:36 pm
I too have come to the conclusion that Camz interfered in the C&D marriage out of jealousy.
And I too have wondered about the same things as you: Why not interfere in the PB marriage and be 3 of them in that one? Why didn't he marry Camz straight away if he loved her? He didn't even have to marry her, they could have waited with marriage for a bit. She may have been the local bicycle, but a spin in Camz's favour would have worked great at the time, no internet, no social media, no large keeping track of her like it can and is done nowadays.
I think she was also jealous and disillusioned with APB, he (and she!) cheated throughout, but she thought he'd stop once married and must have become deeply resentful when she realized he wouldn't be faithful, so why not scrw with C&D's marriage? It was also a power play for the PB's, she still had it and proved it by snaring the most eligible bachelor in the UK and esp once he was married to young and beautiful Diana. Must have set off her ego beyond measure.


Title: Re: Diana, Charles and Camilla's cursed "love" triangle
Post by: dianab on August 14, 2017, 10:27:20 pm
BASHIR: And with a husband who was having a relationship with somebody else?

DIANA: With a husband who loved someone else, yes.

When a wife says this sort of thing ... well  i think is enough

BTW when that picture was taken, according to diana herself and other people around them like his then valet said as charles was phoning (and thinking at) camilla every moment. Interesting enough, after harry was born there was no affection anymore.... charles is a cad in his own right ... just my 2 cents...

 if charles was in love with young lady diana he wouldnt have taken her to camilla's home and when phoned diana (during the courtship days) he wouldnt be complaining as paparazzi were making the 'mrs parkers bowles' life a hell

Even his uncle Mountbatten was aware Charles was in love with Camilla.


Title: Re: Diana, Charles and Camilla's cursed "love" triangle
Post by: Kuei Fei on August 15, 2017, 12:33:28 am
I think he did love her, but the pressures of the position caused some cracks and then Camilla wormed her way in. Charles didn't care enough about Camilla to make her a wife and if he truly wanted her, he would have moved heaven and earth to be her husband even if it meant a huge scandal. He loved and respected Diana and yes, Diana's lineage was a huge boost in that direction. I think with Diana he was a lot more straightforward and basically would have lived a more matter-of-fact life and dealt with his problems. However, Camilla was unable to handle the rejection and being left behind and in the shadows (who does handle that kind of mistreatment?).


Title: Re: Diana, Charles and Camilla's cursed "love" triangle
Post by: Stephanie on August 15, 2017, 10:34:08 am
Campon's PR machine keeps ramming down our throats that Chuck and Diana had nothing in common but they did: both wanted a proper family life and be as hands on as possible.
Both were fun loving and loved an active lifestyle.
Here we see Chuck welcoming Diana on their honeymoon and he obviously wants to show her a good time.
http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2011/11/04/article-2057550-0EA9F9ED00000578-515_634x453.jpg
Soooo, Campon keeps calling constantly to make sure the mood turns sour.
At that time her calls would have been "innocent" so Chuck wouldn't recognize it as something improper to do.
But come on, calling a man during his honeymoon is abnormal stalking behavior as any woman knows.


Title: Re: Diana, Charles and Camilla's cursed "love" triangle
Post by: LadyLaura on August 15, 2017, 02:13:18 pm
I was always under the impression that Charles did love Camilla, but she was already married to the Parker bowles guy....and HM and Phil forbade it, and pushed Diana at him, pressuring him.
thats not to say Camilla was not jealous, Im sure she was and did everything to keep her relationship with Charles going on the side.


Title: Re: Diana, Charles and Camilla's cursed "love" triangle
Post by: dianab on August 15, 2017, 02:26:09 pm
I think it's a abnormal behavior a man in his honeymoon to be calling his mistress (that was going on according to diana and others... not the other way around).

He loved and respected Diana and yes, Diana's lineage was a huge boost in that direction.

I dont think he saw anything about Diana as a huge boost more like a threat... since early 1980s he liked remember her everything she had became was because of him not because of her as a person

Look what she said Paul Johnson:
She told me: 'He [Charles] said to me: they're not cheering you, you know, because you're you. They're cheering you because you are married to me. Get that into your thick head.'
She added, 'I thought at first he was right and tried to be humble. But I'm not married to him any more, and they still cheer me.
So I must have something.'


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Title: Re: Diana, Charles and Camilla's cursed "love" triangle
Post by: sandy on August 15, 2017, 03:39:32 pm
Stephen Barry, Charles valet recalled Charles called Camilla "several times" during his honeymoon with Diana.  Camilla was always "there" and I think she coveted what Diana had even though the spin said she never wanted anything.  Camilla knew that Charles was self centered so she catered to him and probably put down Diana to him as much as she could when he complained.  The Queen knew about Camilla and Charles and should have sent APB and Camilla on assignment overseas or given Charles an ultimatum early on. The spin is sickening making Camilla "saintly" and Diana "mad and bad". I don't know how people believe the nasty stuff that Junor writes. Camilla was the other woman and Diana was the wife which is something Junor conveniently glosses over. Charles and Diana should have had maybe one or two more children and settled in to a marriage. Allegedly Camilla advised that he have no more than two children with Diana. I would not put it past her.

I don't think Philip "pushed" Charles to do anything. I think Charles wanted to marry then and have children. What Philip just told him to try to make up his mind and the option was on the table to drop Diana. If Charles felt he did not love Diana yes he should have dropped her. Camilla was said to be encouraging the match so she could have the "mouse" of a wife she could manipulate.


Title: Re: Diana, Charles and Camilla's cursed "love" triangle
Post by: Stephanie on August 15, 2017, 04:40:36 pm
^
Agree with what PP allegedly told Chuck.
I think he meant that Chuck had to think long and hard about a future with Diana.
Back in the day it was not a good idea to string a teenage virgin Earls's daughter along and harm her reputation.
It was not like he HAD to marry Diana because it was his last chance for starting a family.
On the contrary even, back then Chuck was quite handsome an an eligible bachelor.


Title: Re: Diana, Charles and Camilla's cursed "love" triangle
Post by: Kuei Fei on August 15, 2017, 05:03:50 pm
Back then Charles was considered the TOP eligible bachelor and had had a string of lovers; he was no slouch and he was handsome. I don't think Diana's version should be trusted entirely. She was loaded with so much bitterness and as for her rep, Philip cared because Diana was titled, not because of the person under the title. The BRF operates (like any class really) on the basis of chivalry being shown only to the titled and connected, not the untitled and unconnected. I do believe that Camilla's honor and reputation wasn't as considered for Camilla's sake. The BRF had no issue of Camilla being used and dishonored, but with Diana it was different; I do think that ate away at Camilla, who had the BRF at her wedding to APB, but only in the context that she was not becoming one of the BRF. Camilla was even okay as a mistress to the Queen Mother, but would have wanted to strangle Charles for wanting to marry Camilla. Even the QM got upset at Camilla leaving her husband and Charles divorcing.

I can't imagine what it did to Camilla's mind, being okay as a mistress/plaything, but not as a respectable wife. I am sure that Camilla was eaten up by anger and resentment and jealousy, seeing Diana get the titles and respect, but she, Camilla, was just used and then tossed aside.


Title: Re: Diana, Charles and Camilla's cursed "love" triangle
Post by: Stephanie on August 15, 2017, 08:06:12 pm
^
Campon must have been eaten by jealousy and resentment and she imo projected all those negativity onto D and C's marriage.
Apart from not buying PP forcing Chuck to marry I also don't buy the Campon encouraging Chuck to marry Diana saga.
She HAD to play along and pretend to be happy for Chuck.
There is no way Diana could be seen as an easily manipulated mouse wife.
No, Campon might have been after the meltdown of C and D's marriage from day one and blame the whole thing on Diana AND Chuck.
Diana: Mad and Bad.
Chuck:Immature and Indecisive.
Campon:Saint and Savior.
https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/236x/31/38/02/3138028ed2793262d46a9386d42e5cb9--prince-charles-charles-and-diana.jpg
Looks like a happily married couple to me.


Title: Re: Diana, Charles and Camilla's cursed "love" triangle
Post by: Kuei Fei on August 15, 2017, 08:33:38 pm
I think Charles was unable to handle Diana's fears and I don't think Charles COULD see Camilla for the manipulative witch she was; we all know the stories of someone who thought the person they hooked up with was decent, but ended up in a bad situation. Charles regrettably couldn't see what Diana did and I can't really fault him for that. I got mixed up with a BAD crowd and I can only see the issues in retrospect. I can't imagine how hurt Camilla must have felt at being used and discarded, but I do blame Camilla for not choosing to put a stop to Charles' attentions and focusing on her own married life. I also don't think Diana was brainless, just not taken seriously because of her age and admittedly being attractive didn't always help. Diana was too quickly objectified and hadn't really established herself yet.


Title: Re: Diana, Charles and Camilla's cursed "love" triangle
Post by: Stephanie on August 15, 2017, 09:13:12 pm
Both had growing up to do.
If it would have been just the two of them in the marriage they IMO had every chance to be fine eventually.


Title: Re: Diana, Charles and Camilla's cursed "love" triangle
Post by: sandy on August 16, 2017, 12:18:55 am
Back then Charles was considered the TOP eligible bachelor and had had a string of lovers; he was no slouch and he was handsome. I don't think Diana's version should be trusted entirely. She was loaded with so much bitterness and as for her rep, Philip cared because Diana was titled, not because of the person under the title. The BRF operates (like any class really) on the basis of chivalry being shown only to the titled and connected, not the untitled and unconnected. I do believe that Camilla's honor and reputation wasn't as considered for Camilla's sake. The BRF had no issue of Camilla being used and dishonored, but with Diana it was different; I do think that ate away at Camilla, who had the BRF at her wedding to APB, but only in the context that she was not becoming one of the BRF. Camilla was even okay as a mistress to the Queen Mother, but would have wanted to strangle Charles for wanting to marry Camilla. Even the QM got upset at Camilla leaving her husband and Charles divorcing.

I can't imagine what it did to Camilla's mind, being okay as a mistress/plaything, but not as a respectable wife. I am sure that Camilla was eaten up by anger and resentment and jealousy, seeing Diana get the titles and respect, but she, Camilla, was just used and then tossed aside.

As it turned out, Charles Dimbleby book meshed with much of what DIana said via Morton. He admitted the affair and the times he had the affair with Camilla (rather alarming was that he was with her through his courtships of Amanda Knatchbull and Anna Wallace and right before he courted Diana--Camilla had a husband and two small children when Charles made her his married mistress.

I do think Camilla was always in the drivers' seat, she made the most of being the Mistress of the PRince of Wales and threw her weight around. She had nerve and undermined the wife and even usurped her place as Hostess at Highgrove.  Camilla would have been tossed aside if Charles was possessed of morals so he would think it wrong to bed his friend's wife. He had a similar arrangement with the Tryons.


Title: Re: Diana, Charles and Camilla's cursed "love" triangle
Post by: Kuei Fei on August 16, 2017, 01:00:34 am
Don't forget Lady Jane Wellington; all of them knew about Camilla and clearly I do find it jolting that he didn't see what the women saw, that Camilla wasn't going anywhere. I am certain that it made other prominent families uneasy, that their female relatives would have to contend with a determined mistress. I honestly do believe that the chances of any wife surviving that woman would in fact be impossible. As for Charles, I don't think he understood the reality of how Camilla clearly wanted to cross that line from mistress to wife and I do believe that being fairly dense and naive, it never occurred to Charles that Camilla wouldn't be honest with him.

In Charles' defense, it is DIFFICULT to see what can be obvious to others. I do think that Charles clearly wasn't as schooled to see the warning signs since the courtiers did all his thinking for him since he was a kid. He wasn't raised to be clever or cynical or take a realistic view of human nature. Diana saw it, clearly, but thing is, that she wasn't taken seriously by the BRF (big mistake) and clearly she didn't think that it would go so far as to Camilla being able to mess with her head. I don't think Diana knew she would have to deal with a royal family that was so up their arse that it never occurred to them that a mistress messing with a wife should not have been tolerated.


Title: Re: Diana, Charles and Camilla's cursed "love" triangle
Post by: sandy on August 16, 2017, 03:20:45 pm
The thing I found the most hypocritical was that Charles rejected Davina Sheffield (she passed the Balmoral test and it was said he wanted to marry her) because an ex came forward and said they lived together. But then again, Charles was sleeping with married women and had "arrangements" with their husbands.  Really sordid but he was the one who was Mr Clean and could get on his moral high horse (or so he thought). The trouble is Charles was raised to think himself "special" and could do what he wanted and because he was born first he was "above" all others. The Queen knew about Camilla if she wanted her son to settle down he should have assigned APB a post overseas and he could take his family with him.


Title: Re: Diana, Charles and Camilla's cursed "love" triangle
Post by: Sheridan_is_appalled on August 16, 2017, 03:53:56 pm
^ I know it was different times and all, but when I see what was allowed to marry into the BRF it just makes me think of how bad Margaret got screwed over.


Title: Re: Diana, Charles and Camilla's cursed "love" triangle
Post by: Stephanie on August 16, 2017, 07:30:41 pm
http://nypost.com/2016/04/16/how-operation-pb-aims-to-take-camilla-from-mistress-to-queen/
Campon schemed and schemed for YEARS, even before Chuck met Diana. :ick:


Title: Re: Diana, Charles and Camilla's cursed "love" triangle
Post by: Snowpea on August 19, 2017, 04:15:49 pm
Awh, they all deserved each other.


Title: Re: Diana, Charles and Camilla's cursed "love" triangle
Post by: Byechoc on August 19, 2017, 10:51:02 pm
I believe that Charles loved Diana in the first days, but 12 years is a lot, and they did not have a lot in common... Diana was irrealistic and manipulative and wanted everything on her way...
Well to make a marriage work, love is not enough, you need to respect the other and you need to allow other things that you don't like and be part of it... it's true that Diana left things for Charles like friends... but it's also true that Charles did the same, and Diana wanted everything on her way... apparently when Charles was praying Diana was mean to throw a pillow at him... this shows  little respect, if she was not a religious person (and she was not) she should allow him to do it it will not cause her any harm... she should never arrest Charles from Balmoral and stay in lodge... because he will not be able to not be with his family... they might not be nice, but it's not doing this that she would get them on her side... and we need to say that all her paranoia about Camilla and they trying to sedate her with pills, just made all this to collapse.. off course that Charles having 1500 woman around him was not helping and just made her really jealous.

Because I believe that she has done all that show on Fayed's yacht to be there and to take the limelight from Camila because she loved Charles... I'm with Sarah Bradford she pretended that she was reconciled with him, but she was not really


Title: Re: Diana, Charles and Camilla's cursed "love" triangle
Post by: sandy on August 19, 2017, 11:44:42 pm
Diana was realistic and not manipulative. So was she manipulative because she wanted a faithful husband? Charles even wore his mistress's cufflinks gifts on honeymoon and carried her photos around. Charles was the unrealistic one because he thought it was "OK" for him to keep on contacting the married mistress. His friends were "civilized" about sharing their wives with Charles (ANdrew Parker Bowles and Lord Tryon). I don't see that as realistic at all, just a self centered spoiled man doing as he pleases. Diana was a mere means to an end for him, he needed legitimate heirs. He did not pursue Camilla as a wife in the early seventies and he knew she was seeing Andrew Parker Bowles. He could not have even been bothered to tell her to wait for him when he went to see saying later to his biographer he was "too young" to get married.Why should not a wife expect a loving husband and think he married her for love? Do you believe all the stories tossed about like the 'praying story' which has no real proof. Who said she did that? A friend of Charles? Diana is not here to confirm or deny the story so I t hink it cheap gossip. I am sorry you buy into it. Diana had no "paranoia" about Camilla she was spot on. Camilla IMO was a scheming woman who coveted what Diana had and got it. How is it paranoia? Camilla called Diana "that ridiculous creature." Camilla was and is a snake and is probably IMO the one who said Diana 'hit" Charles when he prayed. Charles apparently was not that  moral sleeping with his friends' wives, pre DIana.   Charles is a weakling who never took responsibility for anything and even has his minions spread stories about his dead wife (I totally don't believe the "praying" story, Did he care for Kanga the other married mistress that he dumped and would not even talk to her when she was dying. Camilla loves herself and IMO Charles does too. Camilla even lives in a separate residence now. I think Charles' spin tries to paint Diana as "irrational" to try to whitewash his bad behavior. The pity is that this spin is believed.

So  Diana's picture was on the cover instead of Camilla's? It would be no contest for a newspaper between Diana on a yacht and Camilla wearing bling smirking at the cameras. why should Diana not have had her photo taken? Good for her.

Sarah Bradford's book about Diana is not pro Charles. She questions why Charles would court a besotted teenager when he admitted in 1994 to his biographer that he "preferred" his mistress to his bride, Diana. And she does not say DIana has paranoia. The one who said that was Charles' good friend Nicholas Soames. WHo is trying to protect his friend Charles by trashing Diana. Diana was spot on about Camilla and her husband.


Title: Re: Diana, Charles and Camilla's cursed "love" triangle
Post by: Byechoc on August 20, 2017, 12:05:37 am
Was she not manipulative? Are sure about that? even the people that worked on media said that... and her father also said that to get what she wants she was able to do everything, just like her old son...

everyone agrees with that on the vast majority of the documentaries... I am not saying that what Charles did was right, no not at all, but at the time was the way that things worked... his friends were ok to share their wives was an honour to have his wife as the prince of Wales mistress... I don't see a problem using the cc's, but in fact, the photos are weird... but what about Diana destroying all the paintings that Charles had... Isn't very nice, right? we call to this respect the other right to have his own time...

And yes she was unrealistic because we can't ask our husband that has a lot of commitments to drop everything off to stay with us at home...
but she was a child.... actually I believe that she only understood all the mess that she did with panorama and Morton's book when she lost everything in her divorce... title property and even the money 17 million was not enough for her to survive in a long-term, it's not that much if you see all the extravaganza that she lived...


Title: Re: Diana, Charles and Camilla's cursed "love" triangle
Post by: sandy on August 20, 2017, 12:22:48 am
She had to be. She was up against two manipulative people. Did you know that Charles' friends leaked stories about Diana in the eighties and before Morton? Stuart Higgins, then the Sun Editor said Camilla rang him up to give "her side" of the story and for ten years during the Charles and Diana marriage? Sally Smith and Sarah Bradford among others corroborated this. Diana went to Morton to get "her side out" because with the stories leaked by Charles friends. Diana used the media to defend herself. And you don't think Charles and Camilla have used the media? Their good friend Penny Junor has raised Camilla to sainthood and trashes Diana every chance she gets. Diana is not here to defend herself. Who are "everyone" The documentaries featured talk of Diana's charity work and calling attention to causes and William and Harry's recollections of her as a devoted mother to them. Charles married Diana to get heirs. Do you really think it an "honor" for a Prince to sleep with another man's wife. If they thought that way they must have been super sycophantic to Charles. I think it sick. It is wrong. How is it an "honor?"

Diana destroyed Charles art supplies? How is this "known"? Who said it? One of Charles' friends or maybe Camila? Junor is known to be a Charles sycophant and she admits she loathes Diana. She is totally biased. She can say Diana robbed a bank and Diana is not around to defend herself. Why not read other books besides Junor? Charles was seen aiming a blow at Diana as she got into a car (he stopped when he saw the cameras). He put down Diana in public and people observed.

What about the mess Charles caused by getting involved with married women? The Queen was even warned about Charles' association with Camilla (pre Diana) but chose to do nothing about it. Charles even caused embarrassment in 1980 by having Camilla along as his "official escort" to Zimbabwe.  

Diana sold her iconic gowns for charity. If she were as strapped for money as you think she was, she would have hocked the gowns for more $$$. The money went to Charity.  How do you know what she needed to live on to survive?

Charles had that embarrassing interview in 1994 causing Andrew Parker Bowles to divorce Camilla. He named Camilla as his mistress for all the world to hear and he got criticized for it.

Kanga paid dearly for her husband being willing to Share Her with Charles. Charles dumped her and would not even talk to her when she was dying.


Title: Re: Diana, Charles and Camilla's cursed "love" triangle
Post by: sandy on August 20, 2017, 01:13:56 am
Charles payment to Diana was in 1996.   the money was very very generous. Diana did not have to buy a home, she was allowed to stay at her apartments at Kensington Palace.  I think the settlement was more than adequate. Plus she would have invested the money and it would not just sit at the same value. (sorry I just added this, it was too late to modify). Could this be combined with my earlier post?)


Title: Re: The Transition to Charles' Reign II
Post by: HRHOlya on August 22, 2017, 11:13:32 am
Prince Charles's ex-press secretary Dickie Arbiter insists the royal DID adore Diana when they married and says his old boss will defy public opinion to be the UK's best king

    Dickie Arbiter said Prince Charles will be 'the best-prepared monarch we've had'
    Former press secretary added 'it is time we learnt to cherish' the Prince of Wales
    He also emphasised that Charles and Diana were 'besotted' with one another


Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-4812214/Charles-s-ex-press-secretary-says-royal-DID-adore-Diana.html


Title: Re: The Transition to Charles' Reign II
Post by: sandy on August 22, 2017, 11:23:02 am
Arbiter does not know what he's talking about. A "besotted" man would not wear gifts from a mistress on the honeymoon nor all the mistress up during the honeymoon.


Title: Re: The Transition to Charles' Reign II
Post by: dianab on August 22, 2017, 06:16:05 pm
Arbiter is just plain simple a syconphant, who's now summoned to help the image of Charles... as Sally B Smith and Penny Junor are too obvious and irrational


Title: Re: Princess Diana once overheard Prince Charles talking dirty to mistress Camilla P
Post by: Emperor on August 27, 2017, 11:40:43 am
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This is turning into the best whodunit murder mystery book ever. I can't wait for chapter 2 featuring Charlie boy's alibi. Then chapter 3 with the Billy and Harry take on the case. In conclusion I expect chapter 4 giving the Darker-Balls family's story in this affair. Hopefully that will be followed by a national referendum asking the population to vote on the name or names of the guilty.

Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-4768092/Princess-Diana-Channel-4-s-biggest-hit-year.html#ixzz4p6t6nMl4
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I agree with this comment soooooooooo much  :laugh:


Title: Re: Princess Diana once overheard Prince Charles talking dirty to mistress Camilla P
Post by: Snowpea on August 27, 2017, 03:04:20 pm
WOW 20years after her death Diana still sticking it to the BRF  :tehe:

*********How about HER harassing calls to other women's husbands? Yeah, like people don't run into the loo to make cellphone calls?  :easter-sly:

'Interesting that the Terrible Twins - aka bill medd and haza, have made no complaints so far about the airing of this last night.  Wonder if they are behind it, they are normally so quick to sue and jump on anyone and everyone.  Would not put it past them, an evil pair together.'

*********Imagine the dirt on THEM?


Title: Re: Princess Diana once overheard Prince Charles talking dirty to mistress Camilla P
Post by: deGuernsey on August 27, 2017, 05:49:52 pm
*********How about HER harassing calls to other women's husbands? Yeah, like people don't run into the loo to make cellphone calls?  :easter-sly:
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^ It's refreshing to hear more  people call her out on her utter nonsense. ...  :thumbsup:


Title: Re: Princess Diana once overheard Prince Charles talking dirty to mistress Camilla P
Post by: sandy on August 27, 2017, 10:11:35 pm
WOW 20years after her death Diana still sticking it to the BRF  :tehe:

*********How about HER harassing calls to other women's husbands? Yeah, like people don't run into the loo to make cellphone calls?  :easter-sly:

'Interesting that the Terrible Twins - aka bill medd and haza, have made no complaints so far about the airing of this last night.  Wonder if they are behind it, they are normally so quick to sue and jump on anyone and everyone.  Would not put it past them, an evil pair together.'

*********Imagine the dirt on THEM?

What husbands?  Hoare who pursued her was phoned by Diana. He is with his wife.

If Charles did not dump her after she gave birth to his heir and spare (why he married her) there would be no other parties.  And Hoare pulled a Prince Charles pursuing his friend's (Charles) wife. ANd he did pursue her according to testimony by Wharfe and Jephson. Hoare was not an "innocent party". He had had a mistress before he started seeing Diana. He has what is known as the long suffering wife who holds the purse strings in the marriage they are still together.

These stories are old --the Morton book (1992) talked about the overhearing of Charles saying to Camilla "whatever happens I will always love you." I don't know what is so "shocking" about this story it is as old as the hills now. Certainly the boys knew about it.


Title: Re: Princess Diana once overheard Prince Charles talking dirty to mistress Camilla P
Post by: HRHOlya on August 27, 2017, 10:30:54 pm
^ There was also an article out, fairly recently (a couple of months ago? I don't know, but I posted it here in Diana's section), that stated that Diana did call a few (or handful) times, but the actual harassment over months had transpired to have come from his son's school friend, who called from a phone box in Kensington, I think it was located on the High Street near the palace. I really can't say if it is true, as frankly I'm not too familiar with the "phone harassment story", so can't say whether that was a lie to defend Diana (by the harassed man himself might I add), or truth and people just ignore it.


Title: Re: Princess Diana once overheard Prince Charles talking dirty to mistress Camilla P
Post by: sandy on August 27, 2017, 10:35:03 pm
Yes, it was my understanding that there was a boy who made some crank calls. Hoare fortunately did not cash in on his association with Diana and never commented on the nature of their relationship and I doubt he ever will. HE was no innocent so he would have been in no position to  criticize Diana. He pursued Diana according to Wharfe and Jephson. I don't admire Hoare but he did keep quiet and not cash in. It appears to be all water under the bridge now.


Title: Re: Princess Diana once overheard Prince Charles talking dirty to mistress Camilla P
Post by: dianab on August 27, 2017, 11:04:01 pm
WOW 20years after her death Diana still sticking it to the BRF  :tehe:

*********How about HER harassing calls to other women's husbands? Yeah, like people don't run into the loo to make cellphone calls?  :easter-sly:

'Interesting that the Terrible Twins - aka bill medd and haza, have made no complaints so far about the airing of this last night.  Wonder if they are behind it, they are normally so quick to sue and jump on anyone and everyone.  Would not put it past them, an evil pair together.'

*********Imagine the dirt on THEM?

What husbands?  Hoare who pursued her was phoned by Diana. He is with his wife.

If Charles did not dump her after she gave birth to his heir and spare (why he married her) there would be no other parties.  And Hoare pulled a Prince Charles pursuing his friend's (Charles) wife. ANd he did pursue her according to testimony by Wharfe and Jephson.
in their books they said they knew hoare visited diana at kp... it was more like they pursued each other as they were obviously having a relationship... no one of them ever described diana was 'pursued' by him.

^ There was also an article out, fairly recently (a couple of months ago? I don't know, but I posted it here in Diana's section), that stated that Diana did call a few (or handful) times, but the actual harassment over months had transpired to have come from his son's school friend, who called from a phone box in Kensington,
diana claimed that in panorama interview


Title: Re: Princess Diana once overheard Prince Charles talking dirty to mistress Camilla P
Post by: sandy on August 27, 2017, 11:56:15 pm
Wharfe reported in his book that Hoare called Diana many times. Wharfe had no use for Hoare and did not like him.


Title: Re: Princess Diana once overheard Prince Charles talking dirty to mistress Camilla P
Post by: dianab on August 28, 2017, 12:30:43 am
i remember reading in wharfe book that he saw diana calling hoare several times (when he commented about the 'harrassing calls') and he saw hoare visiting diana often at kp


Title: Re: Charles & Diana's Marriage
Post by: Alexandrine on August 28, 2017, 08:53:55 pm
Merged topics.


Title: Re: Charles & Diana's Marriage
Post by: LadyAva on September 11, 2017, 05:47:36 am
I thought it was a for sure Diana was placing those calls herself.


Title: Re: Charles & Diana's Marriage
Post by: HRHOlya on October 02, 2017, 11:19:03 pm
Charles and Camilla ‘got together as her husband was sleeping with Anne’: That’s ‘just how the upper class bonk’, says royal expert

    Writer Penny Junor says Andrew Parker Bowles's affair sparked the royal fling
    She recalled the dalliance while speaking at the Henley Literary Festival
    In The Duchess: The Untold Story, she says affair was meant to cause jealousy


Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/femail/article-4942390/Camilla-got-Charles-make-husband-jealous.html


Title: Re: Charles & Diana's Marriage
Post by: sandy on October 02, 2017, 11:24:24 pm
One other biographer maintained that Camilla and Andrew had a "sexual competition." Andrew had the affair with Anne and then Camilla one upped him with an affair with the Prince of Wales.  this biographer claimed Andrew was "proud" of Camilla.  As I recall Anne and Andrew had their affair before Camilla and Andrew married. She had moved on the Mark Phillips after the affair.


Title: Re: Charles & Diana's Marriage
Post by: Little light on October 02, 2017, 11:32:07 pm
In reality they are no different to the plebs they despise, except they have more money. And speak with different accents.