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Title: Queen Letizia: Savior or Foe?
Post by: Alexandrine on November 01, 2011, 10:24:08 pm
There is an article in a spanish newspaper of how difficult is for Letizia to be always so perfect

You can read it here http://www.youkioske.com/prensa-espanola/la-otra-cronica-el-mundo-29-octubre-2011/

It's nothing new, it says that she is bossy and the prince believes she now even more than before. That she is no friendly with her husband's friends, that she doesn't like the posh people so when she was in a restaurant and thought that it was too posh she went before ending her lunch according to the article is not the first time it happens.  :-


Title: Re: It's so difficult to be perfect
Post by: Dahlia on November 01, 2011, 11:12:46 pm
Sounds exaggerated  ???


Title: Re: It's so difficult to be perfect
Post by: Mada on January 20, 2012, 01:39:56 pm
There is an article in a spanish newspaper of how difficult is for Letizia to be always so perfect

You can read it here http://www.youkioske.com/prensa-espanola/la-otra-cronica-el-mundo-29-octubre-2011/

It's nothing new, it says that she is bossy and the prince believes she now even more than before. That she is no friendly with her husband's friends, that she doesn't like the posh people so when she was in a restaurant and thought that it was too posh she went before ending her lunch according to the article is not the first time it happens.  :-

seriously ??? ??? :-


Title: Re: It's so difficult to be perfect
Post by: Alexandrine on January 20, 2012, 02:25:31 pm
Yep, another recent story that has become public is that when she was away with Felipe in a trip the queen went to visit her granddaughters and when Letizia came back she scolded the nanny because she had let Sofia access to the children without her consent, she was even fired.


Title: Re: It's so difficult to be perfect
Post by: HC on January 20, 2012, 06:36:50 pm
I've never read anything negative about Letizia.

I've have always thought that she looks so lovey dovey towards Felipe on pictures. And not smiling a lot.


Title: Re: It's so difficult to be perfect
Post by: Byechoc on January 20, 2012, 10:06:27 pm
Well is happening with letizia the same that in a few year will happen to kate!

No the press sells more and more because they say that she is this and that... Can someone explain why Letizia wanted to give her younger daughter the name of her mother-in-law and them don't let them see her grandchildren? Zarzuela is their home!

I just don't buy this.. I see that some are see that Cristina is looking bad and want that Letizia be on the same light!

And that report about the restaurant, Give me a break I don't believe in a word of it! And what is the problem of don't like posh people? Many of them thinks that are better than anyone else... Think that the world is there to them, and sometimes think that they are better than anyone else! (And sometimes they are just bad persons! I saw this because my former boyfriend thought that he was posh guy, and he was awfull about all this!)


Title: Re: It's so difficult to be perfect
Post by: Mada on January 20, 2012, 10:27:03 pm
Why would they want to create a false image of Letizia after whole those years ? Why would they want to make the life of their future queen so hard ? It doesn't seem like she made something wrong to me ? If there is no truth to that, that's really nasty to say so !


Title: Re: It's so difficult to be perfect
Post by: Byechoc on January 20, 2012, 10:35:05 pm
Well I can understand that! But I feel that something is worng! From the start that they are so unpleasent with her (spanish press) and a few years later after Leonor born the portuguese magazines start to do the same!

Well they want to sell (in portugal), and letizia sells a lot in portugal, so they put news about her, good or bad! In a portuguese magazine a few weeks ago they put at the cover Letizia and Kate, saying that Letizia was jealous of Kate, because Kate was a natural princess, and didn't need a year to be perfect in her roule! That everyone in BRF loved her, and in SRF she was hated for everyone else... At this week they sold it all in just 3 days!! At this time they praze kate and put Letizia looking like a wicth! and this sells a lot! If people believe? No they don't except those that love kate and *despise* letizia!

And yes it's nasty!


Title: Re: It's so difficult to be perfect
Post by: Alexandrine on January 20, 2012, 10:36:50 pm
Spanish press doesn't publish those things, in general they are very sycophant like unless you are able to hear a more independent journalist.


Title: Re: It's so difficult to be perfect
Post by: Byechoc on January 20, 2012, 10:39:01 pm
In Portugal there are always news about it... Thanks God that people dn't buy it..


Title: Re: It's so difficult to be perfect
Post by: serene grace on January 20, 2012, 10:40:39 pm
That almost reminds me of the stories about Charles and Diana when there were little murmurs in the press that things weren't going well, before all HELL broke loose.
I hope it's not true, though.


Title: Re: It's so difficult to be perfect
Post by: Mada on January 20, 2012, 10:45:07 pm
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Well they want to sell (in portugal), and letizia sells a lot in portugal, so they put news about her, good or bad! In a portuguese magazine a few weeks ago they put at the cover Letizia and Kate, saying that Letizia was jealous of Kate, because Kate was a natural princess, and didn't need a year to be perfect in her roule! That everyone in BRF loved her, and in SRF she was hated for everyone else... At this week they sold it all in just 3 days!! At this time they praze kate and put Letizia looking like a wicth! and this sells a lot! If people believe? No they don't except those that love kate and *despise* letizia!
Those people seem ignorant ! Letizia being jealous of Kate ? they are living in which world ??? I agree with you Byechoc there something seriously wrong. They compare her to a lazy nobody who only achievement has been to marry a prince.. that's a real shame and it does say much about the intelligence of those who allow those articles to be printed ! that's really sad ! Do you know how was really Letizia before she got married in term of personality ?

I agree serene grace, if those rumours are out there, there are certainly troubles in paradise.


Title: Re: It's so difficult to be perfect
Post by: Byechoc on January 20, 2012, 10:56:27 pm
Know I never knew nothingabou her... just knew that she was a journalist that I saw on TVE at time at 3:00 pm, she looked to me a very good journalist at time... I really liked her on her job! When I saw her at her interview I start to like her even more, she looked so genuine! And then I see now what everyone see about her!

Well I believe that there are problems, every family has that! I have to say that sometimes (and I hope you do not think I'm presumptuous) I feel that I'm just like her... maybe is a caratheristic from people with 1,68m! I believe that we do our work but there is always someone that think that we should be above everyone else... And don't like our sucess!!
I believe there is lot of jealous! I believe that King Juan Carlos didn't want the Letizia had so much projection! And I believe that there are people that don't like that, maybe Felipe don't like that too... But I believe that were and still like each other but have they diferences like every couple!


Title: Re: It's so difficult to be perfect
Post by: Alexandrine on January 20, 2012, 11:05:05 pm
Juan Carlos didn't want another Diana, he didn't like her from the start and didn't want to accept the marriage, but Felipe said that it was marriage or he would go away.

Letizia is like Kate, or the other CPs, she thought that being royal was glamour and holidays, but the reality is very different; moreover Spain has a love *despise* relationship with the monarchy. Also consider that she was a journalist before so all her previous colleagues are the ones talking about her and they know her very well...

Byechoc you could never imagine who Pilar Eyre says that presented Letizia to Felipe! The husband of Kalina of Bulgaria who was dating Letizia at that moment, however Felipe was still dating Eva so it was not six months as they sold in the engagement.


Title: Re: It's so difficult to be perfect
Post by: Mada on January 20, 2012, 11:10:28 pm
mmmhh ladies I think I missed something...are you telling me that Letizia believed that royal life was all glamour and jet-setting ? Seriously ? You only have to look at Juan Carlos and Sophia to know that you're not marrying into a "it will be all fun" family !

What did that Pilar Eyre said ? And she was dating Felipe while he was already with another woman  ???


Title: Re: It's so difficult to be perfect
Post by: Alexandrine on January 20, 2012, 11:18:54 pm
JC and Sofia have a lot of fun, much more than you imagine Mada. But JC made the transition to democracy and Sofia is very appreciated (well was), so they had a lot of freedom.

Felipe was dating Eva, and she was dating Kalina's future husband, they met then. However, she supposedly was dating a journalist when the engagement was announced and he found out at the same time as everyone else.

Funny because Iñaki did the same to the his girlfriend.


Title: Re: It's so difficult to be perfect
Post by: Mada on January 20, 2012, 11:32:43 pm
Ooooh that's doesn't bode well about her personality so...


Title: Re: It's so difficult to be perfect
Post by: serene grace on January 21, 2012, 12:07:24 am
JC and Sofia have a lot of fun, much more than you imagine Mada. But JC made the transition to democracy and Sofia is very appreciated (well was), so they had a lot of freedom.

Felipe was dating Eva, and she was dating Kalina's future husband, they met then. However, she supposedly was dating a journalist when the engagement was announced and he found out at the same time as everyone else.

Funny because Iñaki did the same to the his girlfriend.

I think Felipe married Letizia out of rebelling and somewhat on the rebound from Eva, because it all happened so quickly (as you have stated.)
Thank u for all the info Alexandrine, I don't hear the scoop about the Spanish Royals (Felipe and Letizia) much here in the US.


Title: Re: It's so difficult to be perfect
Post by: Kuei Fei on January 21, 2012, 04:24:02 am

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Juan Carlos didn't want another Diana, he didn't like her from the start and didn't want to accept the marriage, but Felipe said that it was marriage or he would go away.


I think that Felipe should have been told to just walk; it's difficult to play hardball when it's your own relative, but at some point something should have been done. I am surprised she married in when she was so unwanted by her own father-in-law, I would have walked.

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Letizia is like Kate, or the other CPs, she thought that being royal was glamour and holidays, but the reality is very different; moreover Spain has a love *despise* relationship with the monarchy. Also consider that she was a journalist before so all her previous colleagues are the ones talking about her and they know her very well...

Quite possibly she thought she would have a high powered, independent role, but go figure, she is always by his side and not really doing anything indepedently. It's the same with the Crown Princess of Japan. Both women are wilting.

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Byechoc you could never imagine who Pilar Eyre says that presented Letizia to Felipe! The husband of Kalina of Bulgaria who was dating Letizia at that moment, however Felipe was still dating Eva so it was not six months as they sold in the engagement.


Ugh, more 'fairytale' lies. I wonder if the marriage will last.


Title: Re: It's so difficult to be perfect
Post by: Dahlia on January 21, 2012, 06:23:06 am
Letizia like Kate?  :laugh:


Title: Re: It's so difficult to be perfect
Post by: Alexandrine on January 21, 2012, 11:21:06 am
I have my opinion and knowledge acquired from reading many articles, if you don't believe me it'c your choice  :dontknow:


Title: Re: It's so difficult to be perfect
Post by: Byechoc on January 21, 2012, 03:14:34 pm
Letizia like Kate? You must be kidding with me! Look what Letizia did and do, and look for what kate did last year...

If Felipe wanted to marry just to make his parent's life a big hell, well she is a victim! I believe that Felipe loves her... I believe that Felipe saw in Letizia something that finnaly he could have a fight with his parents! So the bad one here is just Felipe not Letizia!

Another thing, people say that she did this and that when she was single, maybe yes maybe not (at least letizia didn't make her life arround the dream of catch a prince!) But when she married she made a few mistakes... many of them was the press (like that foto of Carla Bruni and Letizia *butt*). The king did not like her... well she since she is in on that family she never put the monarchy with a swordon their neck! But at this moment they are with that sword, and the fault is not from Letizia or Felipe, is from Cristina and her husband! So who is the bad one? Cristina is a "princess", and the recent news says that she knew about the money that her husband was taking from people taxes....

If the Royal house fall, the guilt is not from Letizia, but from Cristina! (And I believe that this can be a big spine in the neck of Kinf Juan Carlos)


Title: Re: It's so difficult to be perfect
Post by: rogue on January 21, 2012, 11:30:51 pm
Letizia is nothing like Kate, i think Letizia is not the woman they envisioned for their CP and feel the need to spread nasty rumours about her.Look at the way they talked about Letizia sisters suicide.All im seeing is a woman working very hard and standing by her man.She probably wants an independant role , because she has the brains to do so.


Title: Re: It's so difficult to be perfect
Post by: Byechoc on January 21, 2012, 11:55:11 pm
Rogue I think you are right! I believe that press in spain is pissed off with her, because she was one of them and they didn't have time to make money with her...

At the start there were any problem, but when she stoped invite people to some party or ceremony well her "friends" start to say nasty things about her! And even Isabel startorius came talk about Letizia and what a great friend she is....

I believe that friends wanted to catch in with Letizia's position


Title: Re: It's so difficult to be perfect
Post by: serene grace on January 22, 2012, 02:57:55 am
Letizia is nothing like Kate, i think Letizia is not the woman they envisioned for their CP and feel the need to spread nasty rumours about her.Look at the way they talked about Letizia sisters suicide.All im seeing is a woman working very hard and standing by her man.She probably wants an independant role , because she has the brains to do so.

Letizia runs circles around Kate. She is accomplished, she has a noted and award winning journalism career, she lived her own independent life prior to meeting the Prince. Letizia was and is a real go-getter. Nothing like lazy Kate.  :cookie:


Title: Re: It's so difficult to be perfect
Post by: Nymph on January 23, 2012, 01:25:22 pm
I think that Letizia has been through a lot and used her intelligence to become a better and stronger person.  Kate has had so much leisure and learned nothing, and never tried to improve or grow.


Title: Queen Letizia: Savior or Foe?
Post by: Nighthawk on June 08, 2014, 12:26:15 am
Princess Letizia: the commoner who could save Spain's tarnished crown
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/europe/spain/10883486/Princess-Letizia-the-commoner-who-could-save-Spains-tarnished-crown.html
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Can Princess Letizia, a divorced ex-TV journalist, restore credibility to the troubled Spanish monarchy, asks William Langley
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"It is a common proverb, beauteous princess,” quoth Spain’s national bard, Cervantes, “that diligence is the mother of good fortune.” Princess Letizia Ortiz, the country’s 41-year-old queen-to-be, is certainly beauteous and has worked diligently to be accepted, but, phew!, does her husband need some good fortune.

Sad when the actual Royals themselves can do no good for their countries and Commoners have to swoop in to save them  :thumbsdown:


Title: Re: Princess Letizia: Another Commoner deemed to be the Savior for Spanish Royals
Post by: Rosella on June 08, 2014, 02:41:20 am
Even though, Nighthawk, to be fair, Sophia has been a very good Queen Consort to Juan Carlos, hardworking and diligent, and she was a Greek princess.


Title: Re: Princess Letizia: Another Commoner deemed to be the Savior for Spanish Royals
Post by: Nighthawk on June 08, 2014, 03:11:18 am
Sofia wasn't a commoner she was a Princess in her own right so IMO she doesn't really count as someone trying to save the royals for she was and is born into Royalty


Title: Re: Princess Letizia: Another Commoner deemed to be the Savior for Spanish Royals
Post by: Kuei Fei on June 08, 2014, 03:14:46 am
Princess Letizia: the commoner who could save Spain's tarnished crown
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/europe/spain/10883486/Princess-Letizia-the-commoner-who-could-save-Spains-tarnished-crown.html
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Can Princess Letizia, a divorced ex-TV journalist, restore credibility to the troubled Spanish monarchy, asks William Langley
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"It is a common proverb, beauteous princess,” quoth Spain’s national bard, Cervantes, “that diligence is the mother of good fortune.” Princess Letizia Ortiz, the country’s 41-year-old queen-to-be, is certainly beauteous and has worked diligently to be accepted, but, phew!, does her husband need some good fortune.
Sad when the actual Royals themselves can do no good for their countries and Commoners have to swoop in to save them  :thumbsdown:

I wonder how good of a Queen/Savior she'll be if she ends up being a 9-5 Queen and more interested in international causes than Spain or even being much of a wife. As for commoners saving them, has St. Kate of Cambridge saved William or helped him on the international stage, or even done half the amount of engagements Fergie did.


Title: Re: Princess Letizia: Another Commoner deemed to be the Savior for Spanish Royals
Post by: Countess of Holland on June 08, 2014, 10:22:29 am
KF, I don't know what your beef is with Letizia but can you answer two questions:
1. What gave you the idea that Letizia considers her job to be a 9-5 job?
2. What gave you the idea that she is fishing for an international job?

Because I haven't found anything to back up your assumptions so far. Letizia is not at the moment very involved in any international organisation, other than perhaps the Cervantes Institute which is set-up to spread the knowledge and understanding of Spanish language and culture (seems like a worthy cause to support for a future Queen of Spain). And I have seen multiple pictures of her attending events later in the day including official dinners etc. And let's be honest...you won't see Maxima or Mary out and about after 6 pm every single day. Yes, they attend the occasional premier, a state-dinner but most of the royal work is done during the day: opening museum-exhibitions, opening hospitals, attending children's events etc.

And keep in mind that like Maxima and Mary, Letizia is also a mother and I am sure that she wants to have dinner with her daughters at least a few times a week and personally I see nothing wrong with that. You seem to resent independent women andcontinuously say that it is her job to support her husband and the monarchy; raising her daughters in a way that they become stable, well-balanced, well-behaved girls who understand their peculiar role and place in society is one of the most obvious ways for her to support her husband and the Royal Family.


Title: Re: Princess Letizia: Another Commoner deemed to be the Savior for Spanish Royals
Post by: Kuei Fei on June 08, 2014, 11:29:03 am
Lets make a bet; if Letizia decides to start doing more international stuff, we can call it even. If she starts cutting back on state stuff ot either spend time on her own or ignores Spain and spends the majority of her time with UN/international committees, then I can say I'm right.

I've been right more than I've been wrong on this forum.


Title: Re: Princess Letizia: Another Commoner deemed to be the Savior for Spanish Royals
Post by: Countess of Holland on June 08, 2014, 11:43:21 am
You haven't answered my questions.

And it is not about right or wrong. At least not for me. I am not Spanish so whatever happens in Spain isn't all that important to me (monarchy or Republic I mean). All I know is that as a Dutch person, I have no problem with the Dutch Queen doing international work. And I feel that royals are set-up to do international work. Their royal status opens doors and that can be beneficial for Spanish industry and the economy at large.


Title: Re: Princess Letizia: Another Commoner deemed to be the Savior for Spanish Royals
Post by: Nighthawk on June 08, 2014, 01:21:24 pm
My only problem with Royals, Country leaders and Presidents when they start focusing outside their own country and focus on countries that don't involve them then I have a problem with that....make your country safe and secured first....make sure your people aren't dying from diseases, hunger, homeless...whatever the case may be...once that's accomplished then start sticking your nose into places where you can help until then the rulers of each country need to focus on what they are doing not what others are doing around them..as I stated that applies to Each and every country


Title: Re: Princess Letizia: Another Commoner deemed to be the Savior for Spanish Royals
Post by: Countess of Holland on June 08, 2014, 01:46:30 pm
I don't know from which country you are but we just celebrated the heroes who did get involved in the business of other countries and as a Dutch citizen I am eternally gratefull that president Roosevelt was in favour of helping the European countries that were invaded by the nazi's. And that decision has helped the US get out of the recession; industrial output surged, the men who enlisted were no longer unemployed, their wives, girlfriends etc taking their places in the factories. Enabling them to safe money and buy a house after the war and starting the American Dream. And after the war, the US helped European countries with Marshall Aid. Money that was redirected to the US after receiving it through investments in US companies like GE, GM, Ford etc. The fact that the US takes the bulk of military expenses of NATO isn't just altruism either; it has enabled Boeing and other members of the US military industrial complex to sell their products to NATO-partners. So what may seem as 'not paying attention to the problems in the US' is, in the end, very much beneficial for the US and the people of the US. And that works in this manner for all countries.

Fact is, in this day and age, all countries are intertwinned, as are their interests. You cannot focus on your own country and think that the country can survive on its own. The Spanish economy is dependent on the rest of the world and how the rest of the world is doing. The present-day crisis was something that initiated with US bankers who were driven by greed and bonuses and not so much by 'doing good and ethical business'. Goldman Sachs explained the Greek government how to cook the books in order to seem ready for the euro. And all countries in the eurozone paid the price for that fraud (because that is what it was).
And the same with Spain...the problems with the banks made the real estate crisis happen, made the consumer confidence and expenses go down and you have a recession.

To get out of that, Spanish businesses need foreign consumers to buy their produce; from clothes from Zara to Spanish olive oil. Paying attention to a countries international interests doesn't mean that the national interests are forgotten. People can multi-task, even politicians (and granted...some of the them are simpletons) and royals needs to multi-task as well: pay attention to the national interests, the problems the people are facing, the disasters that happen, the aftermath. But they also need to focus on the position of their country internationally...that is where royalty still has  a plus over presidents (perhaps with the exception of the US president). And these two things are not counter-productive at all.

I have studied Political Science & Public Administration with many electives in International Affairs and one thing I have learned...national interests and international interests cannot be viewed separately. An isolationist worldview is damaging for a country; it was for the US under Hoover and it will be for Spain when it tries to get out of the recession.


Title: Re: Princess Letizia: Another Commoner deemed to be the Savior for Spanish Royals
Post by: gingerboy24 on June 08, 2014, 02:04:53 pm
^EXCELLENT post CofH.   :flower:


Title: Re: Princess Letizia: Another Commoner deemed to be the Savior for Spanish Royals
Post by: Nighthawk on June 08, 2014, 07:12:14 pm
I was just stating my opinion so excuse me for having one


Title: Re: Princess Letizia: Another Commoner deemed to be the Savior for Spanish Royals
Post by: Countess of Holland on June 08, 2014, 08:04:45 pm
I am not attacking you for your opinion, I only try to explain you why I think that your idea of a RF focussing only on their own country can be very counterproductive. If you don't agree with me, that is fine with me.


Title: Re: Princess Letizia: Another Commoner deemed to be the Savior for Spanish Royals
Post by: YooperModerator on June 08, 2014, 08:11:35 pm
^^All opinions are welcome. YM

It would help me to know more about the fiscal stability of Spain to speak intelligently about what is or isn't best for the country nor what level of political mandates the King/Queen of Spain fall into.  I can speak about FDR, though, as I chose his presidential tenure as part of not only my own college courses but as a private interest.  FDR held back heavily on immigration when all hades broke out in Europe because we were coming right on the heels of the Great Depression and it was his policy to protect employment and the influx of spies for US citizens.  

A 10th of those who wanted entry to the States were denied in the early 30s so at some point it is policy to look after ones own country's needs especially during times of internal crisis.  That is the leader of any country's main job or should be.  So, I would assume that the same point of view is the same for Spain.  No country can help another until it is strong enough to do so.  It's much like any survival training.  Throw a life ring into the water before plunging in, put the oxygen over your own face before helping the person next to you, put out your own house fire so it doesn't spread to your neighbor.  Classic International Policy.


Title: Re: Princess Letizia: Another Commoner deemed to be the Savior for Spanish Royals
Post by: Sidney on June 08, 2014, 08:21:13 pm
@Countess of Holland: Kate and her sister Pippa are excellent when it comes to promoting British (and Spanish, for that matter) products. Whatever these two women wear sells out within minutes. I still remember some Zara clothes that Pippa wore. People went NUTS about them and they stared flying off the shelves. A friend of mine was working for Zara at the time and she couldn't believe it. Only a very famous Spanish journalist (Sara Carbonero) has had the same effect on sales. Kate is good at promoting British products. A friend of mine went to England a month before the Royal Wedding was to be celebrated and he wanted to buy me a necklace that Kate had worn long ago and that had been reissued to commemorate the occasion. He knew how much I have always liked it and wanted to buy it for me. The clerk at the store told him it had sold out within hours. It was impossible for him to find one. I don't see that happening with a lot of royals, to be honest. I don't see people in Spain going crazy about what Victoria of Sweden or Mary of Denmark wear.

As for Letizia wanting to be a 9-5 royal... well, even the journalists who are her friends can see it.

Mari Ángeles Alcázar, minute 2:24

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C8bb84pPscs

"I think the problem here is that she doesn't accept what her job entails. She thinks, and it gets worse each day, that she hasn't become a princess with the glamor and fairytale aspect of it. She wants to be practical and thinks she's a high ranking government official who has a job to do".

Mari Ángeles once said: "Being a royal is like being a mom. It's not a 9 to 5 job. You can go to the theater, but you're still a mom. Same with being a royal: you are a princess 24/7. The problem with Letizia is that she does think that this is a 9 to 5 job".


Title: Re: Princess Letizia: Another Commoner deemed to be the Savior for Spanish Royals
Post by: Countess of Holland on June 08, 2014, 09:45:36 pm
@Yooper Moderator

But if Letizia would choose an international role, like supporting Spanish export or a UN role, that has nothing to do with immigration policies, immigration politics are a strictly political territory and she won't have anything to say about that. That a country like Spain doesn't want immigrants at the moment, is quite clear and even understandable. But international politics and relations entails more than taking in refugees. It means to be part of the international community and that means that politicians (and royals in their trails) also have to look at the bigger picture.

Why I was mentioning FDR (a personal interst of me too, him being of Dutch origin and me being highly interested in US politics) was because he was not an isolationist, not even in the 1930's. In a way that he was against the measures the Hoover government took to protect US industry. And he was very vocal when it comes to the need to help Europe in their fight against Hitler, even before Hitler declared war on the US two days after Pearl Harbor. He was the one that came up with Land-Lease, he said in one of his radio speeches that although the US would remain neutral, he could not forbid Americans who wanted to fight against Hitler not to do so (one of the persona who enlisted after that radio talk was Joe Kennedy, the eldest of the Kennedy brothers) and Roosevelt was very much in favour of escorts for ships on the Atlantic in order to protect the shipment of goods to the UK.

@Sydney
Thanks for the footage. I never knew that several people said that. And it is absolutely true, royalty is not a 9-5 job. But at the same time, I recall having seen a documentary about, then, Princess Maxima and in the documentary it was said that they eat together, as a family, as often as possible and that the schedule is adjusted to fit that in. Obviously they wil leave sometimes after dinner to attend the theater or something else. And there are receptions, state banquets etc but I think that overall, there are a lot more professionals out there who have an even less than 9-5 job than royals; politicians, bankers, people in the rat-race, journalists, nurses, doctors etc.


Title: Re: Princess Letizia: Another Commoner deemed to be the Savior for Spanish Royals
Post by: Sidney on June 08, 2014, 11:30:54 pm
I agree, Countess of Holland. The thing about Maxima is that she always seems to be enjoying what she's doing. She smiles all the time, she's always in a good mood and she's always full of beans. Of course, I don't if that's just a mere pose but at least she does what's expected from her. I can't say the same about Letizia... she looks uncomfortable most of the time, doesn't want to go to mass, when she does she doesn't take communion, when the royals toast she doesn't drink, last summer she left her husband and kids in Majorca and went who knows where... I do understand the need to escape from it all that she must feel more often than not. I've always thought that marrying into royalty when you are young woman who has known freedom and independence must be a very difficult thing to cope and deal with and, as much as I dislike Letizia, I'm the first one to admit that it must have been difficult for her. The thing is: noblesse obligue. You just can't have the best of both worlds.


Title: Re: Princess Letizia: Another Commoner deemed to be the Savior for Spanish Royals
Post by: YooperModerator on June 09, 2014, 02:38:25 am
^^US politics are not the subject at hand, CoH, so I'll not break my own rules.  Understanding the international policies is an intricate process and living here, having family who were citizens under FDR and studying our stance in the 30s, it's understandable to look at it that way but it's somewhat of an overview.  Besides, that wasn't my point anyway.  The point was that any country has to make a decision whether or not they are fiscally and politically ready and on what level to begin the assistance, intrusion or allying with any other country.  In every instance, and I still haven't had an answer as to where Spain's financial stand is at the moment, it behooves any government to do their best to be strong in order to not be a weak link as much as possible in any international involvement.  That takes more than a King or Queen or President.  It takes a People, their needs, wishes and in most instances a parliament, senate or what have you to make such a broad stroke happen.

It seems to me that, for the time being Letizia is probably doing her very best to adjust to whatever lies ahead and it would be wise to give her the benefit of the doubt before anything actually happens.  But, that's just my stance on a country for whom I only wish the very highest of life standards.



Title: Re: Princess Letizia: Another Commoner deemed to be the Savior for Spanish Royals
Post by: Rosella on June 09, 2014, 03:20:19 am
I totally agree with your excellent post, Yooper! All we outsiders can do is wish Spain the best!


Title: Re: Princess Letizia: Another Commoner deemed to be the Savior for Spanish Royals
Post by: Rock n royal on June 09, 2014, 04:02:33 pm
^ I agree. We also need to give the new King and Queen time to adjust and adapt. While they have been doing royal engagements and probably know most of what is required, they still need time. I'm sure Letizia wants to be the best Queen for Spain she can while also being the best mother she can. I have a feeling she is going to succeed. I like Felipe and Letizia a lot and wish them well. They seem to have a strong marriage, if they adjust quickly and carve out their own roles for the good of Spain, I see a fabulous legacy.


Title: Re: Princess Letizia: Another Commoner deemed to be the Savior for Spanish Royals
Post by: Freya on June 09, 2014, 05:19:30 pm
I was looking to see how old Letizia is and noticed that she shares her birthday with Prince Harry. She is a little bit older than Kate. I thought that they were a similar age or that Letizia was younger than Kate. 


Title: Re: Princess Letizia: Another Commoner deemed to be the Savior for Spanish Royals
Post by: Sidney on June 09, 2014, 07:41:39 pm
I was looking to see how old Letizia is and noticed that she shares her birthday with Prince Harry. She is a little bit older than Kate. I thought that they were a similar age or that Letizia was younger than Kate. 

She's 11 years Kate's senior, I think.



It would help me to know more about the fiscal stability of Spain to speak intelligently about what is or isn't best for the country nor what level of political mandates the King/Queen of Spain fall into.

My country is in the doldrums and it will be for many years to come.


Title: Re: Princess Letizia: Another Commoner deemed to be the Savior for Spanish Royals
Post by: YooperModerator on June 09, 2014, 10:06:21 pm
^Thank you re Spain's financial status.


Title: Re: Princess Letizia: Another Commoner deemed to be the Savior for Spanish Royals
Post by: Rock n royal on June 09, 2014, 10:14:08 pm
Sidney, my understanding is that Spain has been through a terrible recession that has effected a huge swathe of the population but is now slowly coming out the other side. Is this not true?


Title: Behind every good king... Soon-to-be-Queen Letizia brings a touch of glamour
Post by: Nighthawk on June 10, 2014, 04:31:55 am
Behind every good king... Soon-to-be-Queen Letizia brings a touch of glamour to the proceedings as Spain welcomes Mexican president and wife to Madrid Palace
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2653068/Theres-life-old-king-King-Carlos-welcomes-Mexican-president-wife-Madrid-palace-ahead-parliament-voting-abdication.html

I shake my head and roll my eyes to the DM headline


Title: Re: Behind every good king... Soon-to-be-Queen Letizia brings a touch of glamour
Post by: Rosella on June 10, 2014, 04:45:14 am
Behind every good king... Soon-to-be-Queen Letizia brings a touch of glamour to the proceedings as Spain welcomes Mexican president and wife to Madrid Palace
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2653068/Theres-life-old-king-King-Carlos-welcomes-Mexican-president-wife-Madrid-palace-ahead-parliament-voting-abdication.html

I shake my head and roll my eyes to the DM headline

I like the beginning of the second paragraph in the DM. 'The 41 year old divorcee....' How many years has it been since Letizia's divorce from her first husband? Or is the Daily Fail hinting at something!!


Title: Re: Behind every good king... Soon-to-be-Queen Letizia brings a touch of glamour
Post by: Byechoc on June 10, 2014, 11:04:27 am
The coments are pretty bad for kate...


Title: Re: Princess Letizia: Another Commoner deemed to be the Savior for Spanish Royals
Post by: Sidney on June 10, 2014, 04:01:09 pm
Sidney, my understanding is that Spain has been through a terrible recession that has effected a huge swathe of the population but is now slowly coming out the other side. Is this not true?

Not at all. That's what our politicians say to "keep the masses at bay" but they are disproved by Brussels the following the day. Spain's unemployment rate surpasses 27%. As for youth unemployment: 56.1%

Go figure. I've been unemployed for 4 years now.


Title: Re: Princess Letizia: Another Commoner deemed to be the Savior for Spanish Royals
Post by: Rock n royal on June 10, 2014, 07:02:56 pm
Thank you for your 'on the ground' insight Sidney. It appears the Spanish government like to paint a rosier glow than is actually the case, just as they do in the UK. Do the people blame Felipe and Letizia in anyway for the current economical issues or is all the anger pointed at the government?


Title: Re: Princess Letizia: Another Commoner deemed to be the Savior for Spanish Royals
Post by: Sidney on June 10, 2014, 08:03:42 pm
People blame the government, of course, but Felipe and Letizia are the symbol of a system that's wrong on so many levels. They represent social inequality, elitism, unearned privileges, etc.


Title: Re: Behind every good king... Soon-to-be-Queen Letizia brings a touch of glamour
Post by: Sidney on June 10, 2014, 08:04:42 pm
Oh, God. Is this Daily Mail's new obsession?


Title: Re: Princess Letizia: Another Commoner deemed to be the Savior for Spanish Royals
Post by: Countess of Holland on June 10, 2014, 08:17:51 pm
I understand that and I also get it that the anger about that inequality is getting bigger when more and more people find themselves on the wrong side of the spectrum, but do you think that a Republic would be the answer?

Whenever people try to win me over for the Republican ideal and use the 'but a president is cheaper', I can't help but laugh because I don't think a presidential system is necessarily cheaper. I mean, in France there are a number of former presidents at the moment; they all have a pension, their professional staff is still being paid for, as is an office. US presidents the same (and they have a security detail for at least 10 years after leaving office).

And yes, the Prince had doors opened for him without doing anything for it, but I'd think that the same applies for children of, say, Félipe Gonzalez, Nicolas Sarkozy or Bill Clinton.

I think that no society can be 100% equal and there will always be some form of elitism. The US, originally a country without classes, is proof of that. As was the communist USSR where the bosses of the communist party soon enough became the elitist class of their own, after vowing to abolish the elite and killing the tsar. And Putin isn't much different; he has accumulated 50 billion US dollars since becoming Russian president.


Title: Re: Princess Letizia: Another Commoner deemed to be the Savior for Spanish Royals
Post by: YooperModerator on June 10, 2014, 09:35:59 pm
Do we need a Spanish Government thread?  We're all way off topic here and I'm just as much to blame as the next guy.  Thank you.


Title: Re: Princess Letizia: Another Commoner deemed to be the Savior for Spanish Royals
Post by: Sidney on June 10, 2014, 09:49:11 pm
Countess, I would like to answer to your questions, but... 

If there is a thread to discuss this, I will gladly do so with you.



Title: Re: Princess Letizia: Another Commoner deemed to be the Savior for Spanish Royals
Post by: Kuei Fei on June 10, 2014, 09:52:09 pm
Letizia looks like she can't even save herself from her interest in plastic surgery and starvation, how can she possibly save a monarchy?


Title: Re: Princess Letizia: Another Commoner deemed to be the Savior for Spanish Royals
Post by: Rock n royal on June 10, 2014, 10:27:19 pm
There is one thing about Letizia and plastic surgery that suggests it wasn't cosmetic as many feel it was. Letizia was the main news anchor, so on television daily. If she was bothered about her nose she would have had surgery long before she became a Princess surely? I do actually believe it was a medical procedure not a cosmetic one.

My post is not aimed at you Kuei Fei, it's a general observation.

Sidney, thanks for your replies, much appreciated.


Title: Re: Behind every good king... Soon-to-be-Queen Letizia brings a touch of glamour
Post by: Nighthawk on June 11, 2014, 11:17:29 am
This is how Spain's Queen-in-waiting dresses down: Princess Letizia swaps sash and ballgown for little black dress at palace awards ceremony
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2654026/Shes-beauty-queen-Princess-Letizia-steals-royal-gala-dinner-wearing-sash-tiara.html

I didn't want to start a new thread the Royals are doing, so if the Mods would like to change the title to this thread that's good with me :thankyou:


Title: Re: Behind every good king... Soon-to-be-Queen Letizia brings a touch of glamour
Post by: Rock n royal on June 11, 2014, 12:47:08 pm
The most glamorous Queen in Europe. 

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From frumpy TV newsreader to most glamorous Queen in Europe! Princess Letizia has had a right right royal makeover since marrying into the Spanish royal family

    Princess Letizia, 41, has become increasingly stylish during her decade-long marriage to Spain's Prince Felipe
    The future Queen of Spain has swapped newsreader grey for glamorous sheath dresses and heels
    Like the Duchess of Cambridge, she's a fan of the high street with Zara, Mango and Uterqüe among favourites
    She's also partial to a designer buy with local name Felipe Varela and Hugo Boss filling the rails in her wardrobe



Still trying to attach her to Waity and compare. It aint gonna happen, Letizia wipes the floor with Waity.


http://www.dailymail.co.uk/femail/article-2654983/Meet-glamorous-Queen-Europe-Princess-Letizia-gets-right-royal-makeover-prepares-ascend-throne.html


Title: Re: Behind every good king... Soon-to-be-Queen Letizia brings a touch of glamour
Post by: Sidney on June 11, 2014, 01:05:02 pm
The Daily Mail never ceases to amaze me. The before/after picture.. well, the one on the right is actually Rania.  :wopedo: As for her style... during the first two years she was always impeccably dressed. It's funny: they say she improved after giving birth to Sophia. Excuse me? That was her worst era (fashionwise). I like the way Kate dresses.

My God, don't they remember these atrocities?

http://i34.tinypic.com/2dsk8p0.jpg

http://mujer.orange.es/UpImages/2390/letizia_tres_18d98a2db7ea4b791af2c7951.jpg

http://www.ecestaticos.com/image/clipping/38d35cbb1f3539d1e03a8e66192a0bcb/imagen-sin-titulo.jpg

http://blogs.20minutos.es/quemepongo/files/LetiziaOK.jpg

http://i.huffpost.com/gen/197231/PRINCESS-LETIZIA.jpg


Title: Re: Princess Letizia: Another Commoner deemed to be the Savior for Spanish Royals
Post by: HC on June 11, 2014, 07:09:38 pm
Getting rid of the monarcy won't save the economy.

And it won't be cheaper with a president instead.



Title: Re: Princess Letizia: Another Commoner deemed to be the Savior for Spanish Royals
Post by: Sidney on June 11, 2014, 07:14:03 pm
^ We don't know if it would be cheaper since we don't know how much the monarchy actually costs us.


Title: Re: Princess Letizia: Another Commoner deemed to be the Savior for Spanish Royals
Post by: Nighthawk on June 11, 2014, 07:32:50 pm


Sorry I posted in the wrong thread  :shy:


Title: Re: Princess Letizia: Another Commoner deemed to be the Savior for Spanish Royals
Post by: HC on June 11, 2014, 08:09:20 pm
Thats true.

But with a president there will still be expenses to servants, maintaining Buildings, Palaces and Castles.


Title: Re: Princess Letizia: Another Commoner deemed to be the Savior for Spanish Royals
Post by: Rock n royal on June 11, 2014, 08:11:25 pm
One thing I do know about the Spanish Monarchy, it costs a hell of a lot less than the BRF. I would prefer Letizia any day over Waity. Letizia works for the money she gets!


Title: Re: Princess Letizia: Another Commoner deemed to be the Savior for Spanish Royals
Post by: Nighthawk on June 11, 2014, 08:30:31 pm
The King makes 6 times as much as the average worker, Prince Felipe makes half of what his father does so in reality they're not really all that cheap IMO

http://www.ft.com/intl/cms/s/0/5406ea14-8cda-11e3-ad57-00144feab7de.html#axzz34MNFVFy3

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Crown Prince Felipe, meanwhile, will be paid exactly half his father’s salary, while his wife, Princess Letizia, will receive a salary of €49,182 and €53,282 to cover the “costs of representation”


doesn't look like the cost of living is that much better either for the over all nation as a whole....we work to pay the bills, we sleep so we can wake up take a shower, eat....use whatever else water to do our thing...go to work...come home...it's a never ending battle....hardly "work" for any royal that can only show up 6 times a month if the public is lucky again JMO

oh here's the cost of living for spain I found
http://www.numbeo.com/cost-of-living/country_result.jsp?country=Spain


Title: Re: Princess Letizia: Another Commoner deemed to be the Savior for Spanish Royals
Post by: Nighthawk on June 12, 2014, 01:34:03 am
From frumpy TV newsreader to the most glamorous Queen in Europe! Princess Letizia has had a right royal makeover since marrying into the Spanish monarchy
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    Princess Letizia, 41, has become increasingly stylish during her decade-long marriage to Spain's Prince Felipe
    The future Queen of Spain has swapped newsreader grey for glamorous sheath dresses and heels
    Like the Duchess of Cambridge, she's a fan of the high street with Zara, Mango and Uterqüe among favourites
    She's also partial to a designer buy with local name Felipe Varela and Hugo Boss filling the rails in her wardrobe
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/femail/article-2654983/From-frumpy-TV-newsreader-glamorous-Queen-Europe-Princess-Letizia-right-royal-makeover-marrying-Spanish-royal-family.html

yup I agree the DM has a new obsession


Title: Re: Princess Letizia: Another Commoner deemed to be the Savior for Spanish Royals
Post by: YooperModerator on June 12, 2014, 02:44:14 am
^Boy, I don't know what the indefinable quality is that makes someone classy but she sure appears to have it.  Bearing?  Confidence?  Perhaps.  And nice family photos as well so handles the approachable angle well. 


Title: Re: Queen Letizia: Savior or Foe?
Post by: Kuei Fei on June 19, 2014, 12:30:14 pm
The only way hat she can mess up, is if she's not by her husband's side or if she ignores Spain in favor of trendy UN causes. Her country is her business, along with her husband and protecting his interests. IF she hobnobs with celebs, I am going to be the first to flame her.


Title: Re: Queen Letizia: Savior or Foe?
Post by: cate1949 on June 19, 2014, 08:16:20 pm
she is a bit too thin IMHO - but she does have the "it" quality - her fashion sense includes a bit of quirky - which is fun.  I love that she does pants suits so often - like real working women.

Felipe seems like a contented happy man - he looks proud when he is with her.

They are going to get a lot of attention now.


Title: Re: Queen Letizia: Savior or Foe?
Post by: Alexandrine on June 19, 2014, 08:19:53 pm
^ Quirky? You mean like this http://www.blogsdecadiz.com/porelamordedior/el-estilismo-horroroso-de-la-princesa-letizia/ ............


Title: Re: Queen Letizia: Savior or Foe?
Post by: Nighthawk on June 19, 2014, 10:15:11 pm
^^^ IMO lol that's beyond Quirky that's not even fashionable....sense of style lols  :laugh: I wouldn't be caught dead wearing anything remotely to that nor anything like it  :-

 http://abogados-penalistas.info/wp-content/uploads/2013/02/La-princesa-Letizia-intenta-evitar-un-desahucio.jpg  (she needs to replace her hair brush..sure she's not Queen troll)
http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_xNZtv4xn0yk/SKW2vGCBK6I/AAAAAAAABlw/P31zU-pc0A4/s400/letizia-ortiz.jpg  ( yes beautiful looking woman just like Kate  :tehe:)


by my observation from looking at photos of her past.....this now Queen loves having her photo taken, all the posing she's done..yeah she likes the attention


Title: Re: Queen Letizia: Savior or Foe?
Post by: gingerboy24 on June 19, 2014, 10:39:37 pm
^Yup, what a laugh. Rolls Royce = Letizia, Skoda = wasty  :laugh: :laugh:


Title: Re: Queen Letizia: Savior or Foe?
Post by: AnaBolena on June 20, 2014, 11:14:52 pm
One thing's for sure - you never, ever see Willy looking at Waity like this.

http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2014/06/19/article-2662329-1EEB470300000578-187_964x995.jpg

http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2014/06/19/article-2662329-1EE9B04500000578-537_964x715.jpg

And Kate has serious competion - no, strike that - Letizia has no competition with Kate as she wins hands down in the looks and deportment department.

http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2014/06/02/article-2646060-03C98D3200000514-184_970x657.jpg

Very pretty woman.  :thumbsup:

They aren't faking it - they love each other.  Makes the other two look like a full blown contractual marriage.  :king: +  :Kate:  :thumbsdown:



Title: Re: Queen Letizia: Savior or Foe?
Post by: cate1949 on June 20, 2014, 11:54:57 pm
^those who dislike Letizia will say it is all staged - but the pics from this ceremony - done I add with little notice yet dignified - show hand holding and other signs of a closeness between these two and their daughters which IMHO you cannot fake. 

She is proud of him he seems proud of her.  Is she perfect?  No.  Is she going to be some sort of savior?  No.  But they both seem to represent Spain well.  And they seem a close knit loving family.  The girls affection for their grandmother was quite apparent I thought also.


Title: Re: Queen Letizia: Savior or Foe?
Post by: Nighthawk on June 21, 2014, 12:54:40 am
those who dislike Kate say it's all staged when she shows attention to PW in public...hugging at a game... or when they're holding hands...you can't fake that either yet anytime Kate and William do this is all for show...so anyways this thread isn't about that so I'm moving on :flower:


Title: Re: Queen Letizia: Savior or Foe?
Post by: AnaBolena on June 21, 2014, 11:59:52 pm
In fairness NightHawk, Kate and William are never ever as open as these two.  And Kate looking at Wills as she did didn't exactly look the same as this - this looks natural and not "begging" for affection, which to me, Kate often seems like she is begging for what a man loves a woman does by nature.

^Cate - I agree fully - it's the eye contact, no one can fake it. 


Title: Re: Queen Letizia: Savior or Foe?
Post by: Nighthawk on July 16, 2014, 11:29:54 am
The cigarette girl who became a queen: Pictures reveal Spanish royal Letizia selling tobacco when she was a student at Mexican university
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    Pictures show Queen Letizia while she was a student at university in Mexico
    Reveal she took a job as a hostess promoting a tobacco brand
    Can be seen offering information about the brand and giving out cigarettes
    Letizia studied in Mexico after completing a journalism course in Madrid
    Then went on to meet and marry Prince Felipe of Spain in 2004
    Last month became Queen after King Juan Carlos abdicated
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2693272/Queen-Letizia-tobacco-spokesman-Pictures-emerge-Spanish-royal-selling-cigarettes-student-Mexican-university.html

Quote
She may now be the Queen of Spain but new pictures of Queen Letizia show she was just like any other student during her university days, taking odd jobs to make ends meet.

Letizia first studied journalism at university in Madrid before taking a masters course at a university in Mexico, where these new pictures reveal she took a job as a hostess promoting a tobacco brand.

The images were taken in the mid-90s while the Queen studied at the University of Guadalajara in Mexico.


Title: Re: Queen Letizia: Savior or Foe?
Post by: Countess of Holland on July 16, 2014, 02:54:17 pm
The comments are not too positive for Kate.

"At least she worked" and more of that kind of remarks LOL.


Title: Re: Queen Letizia: Savior or Foe?
Post by: Kuei Fei on July 22, 2014, 05:18:59 am
I think I'm just tired of the usual "Commoner Letizia is just SO MUCH better than any aristocrat that he might have married," lately that kind of PR gets to me.


Title: Re: Queen Letizia: Savior or Foe?
Post by: Alexandrine on September 28, 2014, 10:53:42 pm
avoiding events?

http://www.vanitatis.elconfidencial.com/casas-reales/2014-09-27/el-planton-de-la-reina-al-rey-en-galicia_216839/

in spanish


Title: Re: King Felipe and Queen Letizia: News & Pics
Post by: Fly on the wall on April 23, 2015, 07:33:33 pm
Queen of Spain and photos that raise new health fears

Queen Letizia of Spain has long been plagued by rumours of anorexia, and her appearance at an awards ceremony in Madrid yesterday did nothing to dispel them.

Friends say the former TV journalist is naturally thin and point out that she has spoken publicly about her eating habits in the past, saying she maintains her figure with a healthy diet and is very concerned about nutrition.

The 42-year-old wife of King Felipe and mother of two was born to a middle-class family.

The Spanish media have likened her to Princes Diana, saying she suffers from ‘control issues’ and feels uncomfortable in the royal role.

Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/tvshowbiz/article-3049783/SEBASTIAN-SHAKESPEARE-Starlet-Cressie-goes-solo.html#ixzz3Y9u8J6Ut
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Title: Re: King Felipe and Queen Letizia: News & Pics
Post by: Kuei Fei on April 23, 2015, 09:03:00 pm
Queen Letizia’s appearance in Madrid this week renews ‘anorexic’ concerns

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    Queen Letizia of Spain has long been plagued by rumours of anorexia, and her appearance at an awards ceremony in Madrid yesterday did nothing to dispel them. Friends say the former TV journalist is naturally thin and point out that she has spoken publicly about her eating habits in the past, saying she maintains her figure with a healthy diet and is very concerned about nutrition. The 42-year-old wife of King Felipe and mother of two was born to a middle-class family. The Spanish media have likened her to Princes Diana, saying she suffers from ‘control issues’ and feels uncomfortable in the royal role.

[From The Daily Mail]

Is this body-shaming? Or legitimate concern? I think it can be both. Letizia looks noticeably thinner since becoming queen last year. But… people are acting like Letizia’s slender frame is the second coming of Giuliana Rancic. It’s not that. Letizia’s figure reminds me a bit of Kelly Ripa’s – like, I’ll buy that Letizia works out too much more than she’s not eating.

http://www.celebitchy.com/423500/queen_letizias_appearance_in_madrid_this_week_renews_anorexic_concerns/

I don't get it, she is someone who is from a public background and no stranger to demands on her time, so why so ill? None of this makes any sense and isn't she able to afford a good therapist? Handsome prince, secure life for herself and kids, is a Queen Consort and so she has no business being ill.

You can't control illness, I know that, but really, this is just not good. She's a Queen, has been a crown princess for some time, zero business being like this. She needs to take care of herself and needs to get with the program.

If we're going to be hard on Kate, we need to be just has hard on her.


Title: Re: King Felipe and Queen Letizia: News & Pics
Post by: Countess of Holland on April 24, 2015, 08:07:45 am
I don't know why other people are hard on Kate, but for myself, I can say that Kate's weight is the least important to me. Had it only been that she is rake-thin, you wouldn't have heard from me.

The reasons why I dislike Kate are much different and none of the reasons would apply to Letizia.

1. Kate stalked William for years and put her own life on hold to get the ring
Letizia didn't stalk Felipe at all. She attended a totally different university, has lived abroad on several occasions and only met him by accident at a dinner party they both attended

2. Kate modelled her entire life as to fit in into William's life; she ditched friends, she started talking posh etc
Letizia did no such thing, we all know her accent from her days as anchor at TVE and that hasn't changed. And she has kept her friends on, as a matter of fact, I understand that some of her friends, middle class friends, are now friends of Felipe and Letizia and socialize with the royal couple by going to the movies, going out to dinner etc Before Letizia arrived, Felipe didn't have any middle class friends at all and many people in Spain say that the addition of some middle class friends to his social circles has done him a world of good

3. Kate graduated from university but never followed up by getting a career
Letizia's career is well-known: she was a very popular and respected anchor of TVE prior to the engagement and before that worked in several foreign countries, including the US where she reported on 9/11. That means something, it was, obviously, a big story and the European tv-stations didn't send their 'mwah'-reporters to the scene but often their arrived stars of the high potential young rookies

4. Kate doesn't add anything to William's performance as a royal
Since Letizia came to the scene, Felipe has done better when it comes to presenting himself, in speeches, tv appearances etc. Obviously she has helped him accomplishing this and in a tv- and image-dominated society that we are, this is extremely important

5. Kate is lazy and work-shy
Letizia has done many visits with her husband during their 'Crown Prince-years'. At the time it was mentioned that she felt under-utilized, probably because the Spanish King was never a fan of her, but even so, she had more performances and duties than Kate has in the average year. But now that Felipe is King, she is more visible, also on solo visits abroad, like Vienna and Paris and she seems to love doing these events and has a true interaction with the public

6. Kate's family...
Letizia's direct family is very discrete. Yes, her 2nd degree cousin wrote a book about her, but that is about it. The other time the family came in the news was because of the tragic suicide of Letizia's sister. After that the ranks closed again. Her mother doesn't have a journalist from Hola on speed dial, her remaining sister isn't flaunting her @ss everywhere, nor is she trying to make some money by using her sister's name and position. Letizia's mother helped out the first year or so after the girls Leonor and Sofia were born, but she never felt the need to put that out there in the press, and I understand that she didn't live with the couple but travelled back and forth. And what about the Felipe and Letizia being together for a little over a year and the press still not knowing...do you think the Middleton's would have sat on such big news for a year? Letizia and her family did

7. Kate's pregnancies are in question
Letizia's pregnancies were never in doubt, she looked pregnant with a much fuller face, she had bigger breasts and during the later stages of her pregnancies, the heels decreased in size to the point where she wore flats

8. Kate has sexualized everything about her
She has showed the world her everything. And obviously she can't control the wind, neither can Letizia who also had a faux-pas once when her skirt got the better of her. Ñot that we saw much because she was wearing the kind of panties my grandmother wore. And she learned from that and has worn pants or pencil skirts most of the time since then. Or wider skirts of heavier fabric

Just from the top of my head 8 reasons why I don't like Kate, and I don't have these reasons when looking at Letizia. Is she perfect? No...no one is. But she seems to be a great help to her husband, a caring mother for her two girls and whenever I see Felipe and Letizia together, I get the feeling that this is a couple deeply committed to one another. Are they still 'in love'? When seeing how the King sometimes looks at her and how she looked at him during his swearing-in-ceremony last year...I think they are.

As for health issues...there are issues that cannot be resolved with money or a life-style. And in case of the royals the life-style can actually add to some health issues. It did with Prince Claus, it did with the Empress of Japan, it did with Diana. But also with Victoria of Sweden or Laurent of Belgium.
I think that although leading a royal life looks nice to us bystanders, no financials worries, world at your feet etc, the royal life is one of many restraints. Not being able to say what you feel, not always being able to do what you want to do because of 'national interests' etc. And the constant media attention and scrutiny can't be fun either.

When it comes to these issues, my grandmother always said 'Don't judge until you have walked a mile in their shoes' and I stick to that rule. I cannot phantom how hard royal life can be. Yes, there are advantages, but I don't think I would want it. And both born-royals as well as married-in-royals have problems with it, says enough for me. It isn't a walk in the park although it may seem that way to us bystanders.


Title: Re: Queen Letizia: Savior or Foe?
Post by: Joanna on April 27, 2015, 03:43:29 pm
My only problem with Letizia is that supposedly she was a Republican, in regard of her political ideology she was left-wing, she was a sindicalist, she was agnostic... and now she's Queen of Spain, a role that in my opinion represents everything she stood against. How far can you go for love without losing your identity?
I'm not saying that she doesn't love her husband (it seems to me that she does) nor that she isn't doing her "job" well, in my opinion she's doing it very well, she has her faults (we all have ours...we're human) but to me she's pretending to be something she's not and that is taking its toll, more than all the "ups and downs" that come with royal-life (I can't even begin to imagine what or how challenging they are).


Title: Re: Queen Letizia: Savior or Foe?
Post by: Countess of Holland on April 27, 2015, 03:55:52 pm
I agree that she was not very religious, but neither is a large part of the Spanish population. We all think of Spain as a very religious country but more than 80% of the Spanish people of her generation (born in the 1960's and beyond) say they hardly ever attend church, other than the occasional wedding and perhaps on the 'high days' like Christmas and Easter.

As for left-wing; the PSOE, the socialist party, isn't anti-monarchy. The first PM, Suarez, under Juan Carlos was from the PSOE and he and the King had a very good working-relationship.


Title: Re: Queen Letizia: Savior or Foe?
Post by: Alexandrine on April 27, 2015, 06:00:24 pm
It doesn't matter what normal people do or do not do. At the end of the day they are not normal people. Spanish monarchy and the catholic church has had a very complex relationship over the centuries and still now it's considered a catholic monarchy. Even these two went to the Vatican after getting their new roles. In the Morton book it is said that when questioned by the church during her engagement she said she saw "the light". Without getting into how nice it was that she changed her mind about the church after meeting Felipe it shows that it was an important part of her new role as princess of Asturias.

BTW Eva Sannum was supposedly learning about Catholicism before they broke up. No one would have accepted a non catholic marrying him.

I disagree with the whole thing catholic church/monarchy mix up. Still think that it is laughable the how hypocrite all the family is in relation to their catholic faith. But I find it even more awful that the head of state has to be catholic for some historical reason and that the vatican may or not have an influence in the country for that reason. Spain is supposed to be not confessional according to our constitution.  :bored:

Also Suarez was not leftist, he came from the Franco regime but he left after many rumours and in the next elections Felipe Gonzalez was chosen and he was from PSOE.

Adding the auntie saying between lines that Letizia was republican as the rest of the family http://www.revistavanityfair.es/la-revista/articulos/henar-ortiz-la-tia-de-la-princesa-letizia-creo-que-mi-sobrina-no-llegara-a-reinar/17509/page/2

JC had a good relationship with every president except Aznar and possibly Rajoy. Strangely both from the right wing but they were the only ones who tried to control his abuse of the system.

PSOE is not pro monarchy either. In their statues they base their group in marxist theory... But they always considered that they could work better under a monarchy though that doesn't make them monarchist. Last PSOE president said that JC was the best republican king. One who could have been now the leader of the party said he was republican http://www.elconfidencial.com/espana/2014-06-10/madina-se-declara-republicano-y-pide-al-psoe-que-afronte-el-debate-de-la-monarquia_144282/.


Title: Re: Queen Letizia: Savior or Foe?
Post by: Kuei Fei on April 27, 2015, 07:15:03 pm
I understand clinical depression very well; I have suffered from it and yet, managed to pull through. Her problems in life should just be dealt with. Most deal with worse with a better attitude and I wonder, what is wrong that she isn't getting any help at all? She's a woman who should understand that as a mother she's supposed to be looking after herself so that way she can look after their emotional and psychological needs first and foremost.

My only problem with Letizia is that supposedly she was a Republican, in regard of her political ideology she was left-wing, she was a sindicalist, she was agnostic... and now she's Queen of Spain, a role that in my opinion represents everything she stood against. How far can you go for love without losing your identity?
I'm not saying that she doesn't love her husband (it seems to me that she does) nor that she isn't doing her "job" well, in my opinion she's doing it very well, she has her faults (we all have ours...we're human) but to me she's pretending to be something she's not and that is taking its toll, more than all the "ups and downs" that come with royal-life (I can't even begin to imagine what or how challenging they are).

I do think she made the move to marry Felipe because like a lot of people, she is a climber. If living a life of hypocrisy is what is taking its toll, then fine, no sympathy from me. She can do without it mainly since I can't feel anything but disdain towards someone who tossed her ideals aside to marry a prince.


Title: Re: Queen Letizia: Savior or Foe?
Post by: Countess of Holland on April 27, 2015, 07:23:37 pm
But KF...I have not seen much proof that much is wrong. Yes, she is very skinny and a few servings of pasta won't harm her, but that seems to be her natural ways. She was skinny when she was an anchor woman at TVE. The pictures from her university years show a girl that was always svelt/ skinny.

And she was skinny when getting pregnant; the clearest sign that she was OK because a body deprived of the proper nutrients will not carry a child to terms. Not even after IVF, the body will not accept the fetus and the pergnancy will not be carried to terms. But she did carry two children to terms, both healthy girls.

She may suffer from self-doubt from time to time (show me a person who hasn't), but that is hardly a sign of mental disorders. Nor is it reason to hire some shrink.



Title: Re: Queen Letizia: Savior or Foe?
Post by: Alexandrine on April 27, 2015, 07:41:31 pm
She was thin but you didn't see her bones and she had a natural glow. I remember her from when she did the special about the euro and I liked her in there.

14 years and she looks like another person https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QAYNju0L-Xk

other one https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ey0wSe7sc9o

last summer I think https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OtG03s1e8iw

IMO she started to look bad in the prewedding event and it went completely down after her sister died and it hasn't improved

and she looks much better than she should because of the cosmetic surgeries she has done

for me this is one of the worst appearances https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gTwhw-eZA_A


Title: Re: Queen Letizia: Savior or Foe?
Post by: Joanna on April 28, 2015, 11:21:44 am
It doesn't matter what normal people do or do not do. At the end of the day they are not normal people. Spanish monarchy and the catholic church has had a very complex relationship over the centuries and still now it's considered a catholic monarchy. Even these two went to the Vatican after getting their new roles. In the Morton book it is said that when questioned by the church during her engagement she said she saw "the light". Without getting into how nice it was that she changed her mind about the church after meeting Felipe it shows that it was an important part of her new role as princess of Asturias.

BTW Eva Sannum was supposedly learning about Catholicism before they broke up. No one would have accepted a non catholic marrying him.

I disagree with the whole thing catholic church/monarchy mix up. Still think that it is laughable the how hypocrite all the family is in relation to their catholic faith. But I find it even more awful that the head of state has to be catholic for some historical reason and that the vatican may or not have an influence in the country for that reason. Spain is supposed to be not confessional according to our constitution.  :bored:

Also Suarez was not leftist, he came from the Franco regime but he left after many rumours and in the next elections Felipe Gonzalez was chosen and he was from PSOE.

Adding the auntie saying between lines that Letizia was republican as the rest of the family http://www.revistavanityfair.es/la-revista/articulos/henar-ortiz-la-tia-de-la-princesa-letizia-creo-que-mi-sobrina-no-llegara-a-reinar/17509/page/2

JC had a good relationship with every president except Aznar and possibly Rajoy. Strangely both from the right wing but they were the only ones who tried to control his abuse of the system.

PSOE is not pro monarchy either. In their statues they base their group in marxist theory... But they always considered that they could work better under a monarchy though that doesn't make them monarchist. Last PSOE president said that JC was the best republican king. One who could have been now the leader of the party said he was republican http://www.elconfidencial.com/espana/2014-06-10/madina-se-declara-republicano-y-pide-al-psoe-que-afronte-el-debate-de-la-monarquia_144282/.
:worship: :worship: This.
Letizia was slim, but she had a healthy look, a "natural glow" as Alexandrine said. She defenitely looks worse as the years go by. IMO, if it weren't for the cosmetic surgeries she'd look ill...


Title: Re: Queen Letizia: Savior or Foe?
Post by: gingerboy24 on April 28, 2015, 01:46:05 pm
I like her.  Give me her any day as opposed to wasty.  Yes, she is skinny, but she does not look ill, she carries out her duties well, she interacts with people very well, always has a smell, her face is not as hard as nails and masculine, she knows how to dress to suit her most of the time, she has had a few mishaps along the way, but that is human nature, none of us are perfect.  She also has confidence, a nice way with  people, knows how to carry herself, she  has learned a lot over the years, whereas wasty has no desire to learn anything.  A dramatic difference between the two women.  No idea why people can be so unkind about her.  Maybe she is a b*tch in private, but then can´t all women be the same when the mood takes them.


Title: Re: Queen Letizia: Savior or Foe?
Post by: Alexandrine on April 28, 2015, 08:31:05 pm
I think that's an unfair comment gingerboy and I'm surprised. I respect that you like her and I wouldn't try to change your mind but I don't see the difference between criticizing Kate or Letizia. 


Title: Re: Queen Letizia: Savior or Foe?
Post by: D.I.R. on April 20, 2017, 11:22:25 pm
Unpopular Princess Letizia faces hurdles in becoming Spain’s queen
http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2014/jun/17/unpopular-princess-letizia-faces-hurdles-in-becomi/


Title: Re: Queen Letizia: Savior or Foe?
Post by: Rosella on April 21, 2017, 12:34:49 am

http://elpais.com/elpais/2015/06/19/inenglish/1434701563_501614.html

The monarchy received a huge boost in popularity after Felipe became King, taking over from his father. Letizia too enjoys good poll ratings of 74%.


Title: Re: Queen Letizia: Savior or Foe?
Post by: india on April 21, 2017, 12:51:55 pm
Felipe and Letizia have done a tremendous job since they became king and queen so naturally their poll ratings would be high.


Title: Re: Queen Letizia: Savior or Foe?
Post by: Alexandrine on April 21, 2017, 02:03:54 pm
lol no. Just one of their besties was detained by police today because of corruption.


Title: Re: Queen Letizia: Savior or Foe?
Post by: dianab on April 24, 2017, 08:48:46 pm
in your opinion what are the chances of the monarchy to be around for Leonor to be queen? Because I'm sure George will never be king.


Title: Re: Queen Letizia: Savior or Foe?
Post by: Alexandrine on April 24, 2017, 09:52:39 pm
High probability. To compare with UK spain also has separatists movements. Many believe that the monarchy is the only thing between us and disaster. There are no republican movements in parliament. The main left group is republican but behaves in government as pro monarchist. The right party does the opposite. Our syrizia party is republican but tries to downplay it. The other new right party is promonarchist.

Most do not have much love for them but we only had had peace and democracy since JC was in power so that is an emotional point that for older generation counts.

Also it shows that the establisment prefers the monarchy as they made JC abdicate so the transition with the next king would be easier. Most newspapers are pro Felipe. Not many criticism to him. Sometimes against Letizia but not much either and if there is it is more superficial than anything.

If the journos started talking maybe they would last a month. But there is no interest and the fear of breaking the country due to republican ideals is a big hurdle.

The bourbon dinasty has been a disaster to this country and every two generations they have been exiled. But although I would like to see it I do not have much hope.

Even now with one of their best friends involved in many corrusption cases the press downplays their relationship.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2016/mar/09/spains-monarchy-banking-scandal-queen-letizia

Maybe we will know the whole stroy when they are old and they want to sell the new generation the same way they did with Felipe.



Title: Re: Queen Letizia: Savior or Foe?
Post by: Kuei Fei on September 11, 2017, 08:53:35 pm
One thing about her is how her past is so blank, so blocked off; in my view ti means she has a lot to hide.


Title: Re: Queen Letizia: Savior or Foe?
Post by: india on September 12, 2017, 11:14:24 pm
Letzia works extremely hard. She is a huge asset to Felipe. She is a fabulous queen and an excellent mother. So what if she has a lot to hide. She's doing what she is expected to do and not lazing about, freeloading and lying like that liability William married.


Title: Re: Queen Letizia: Savior or Foe?
Post by: D.I.R. on September 14, 2017, 03:20:42 pm
I guess Felipe doesn’t know what he’s talking about either when he said that she doesn’t make a good consort as well… aye.
The daughters are growing up to be Ortiz Rocasolano not Bourbon…
Leticia is the worst & she’s not a hard worker that you’ve made her out to be also her family are worse than the Middleton especially Leticia mom María is worse than Kates mom Carole.
p.s the reason why she doesn’t wear her wedding ring is because Cristina husband Iñaki chose & bought the ring, not Felipe.


Title: Re: Queen Letizia: Savior or Foe?
Post by: Rosella on September 14, 2017, 04:45:25 pm
I thought it was the engagement ring that Inaki went and collected from the jewellers, not the wedding ring? There's a bit about it here.
http://www.thecourtjeweller.com/2017/05/queen-letizias-wedding-jewels.html

It seems Leti barely wears any jewellery any more unless she has to. I've seen a lot of recent photos over the last few years and she especially doesn't seem to like necklaces or rings. It's a rare occasion when she wears any.


Title: Re: Queen Letizia: Savior or Foe?
Post by: Kuei Fei on September 16, 2017, 06:50:19 am
I think she wears her hemlines too high and dresses way too seriously; her role is ornamental and representative, not executive. I get tired of the streamlined pantsuit look and frankly she has got to start looking royal, not just like a businesswoman. She has no business being so stupidly serious looking. Frankly, I find it off-putting.


Title: Re: Queen Letizia: Savior or Foe?
Post by: D.I.R. on September 17, 2017, 02:50:49 am
@Kuei Fei, She wants to be seen as sex that all men desire + a professional hard worker, which she's not, that’s why she always has that weird walking strut she does butt & breast pushed out as much as possible always looking at the cameras. She has now a I think a Mademoiselle magazine editor that is her stylist/friend… her only friend. That is who is dressing her with these clothes that you don't like.
 
I remember when Juan was still King when they would do a lineup to have them take the photos & Leticia would always stand next to King Juan doing that side pose & pressing her breast on Juan. & he was always in shock when she first did it to him… in front of everyone all the time when she side pose w/her breast touching him. She was trying to … you know seduce him in a way even in a public way like she did. She is a lady of the night before & that’s how she got Felipe… that & he was rebelling against his parents because he couldn’t marry who he really wanted and loved Model Eva Sannum.


Title: Re: Queen Letizia: Savior or Foe?
Post by: Alexandrine on September 21, 2017, 09:17:05 pm
Mademoiselle doesn't sell in Spain, it's Cosmopolitan where the stylist worked before.