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The British Royal Family *Windsor* => Diana, Princess of Wales => Topic started by: Mooster on October 30, 2011, 09:48:07 am



Title: The 'oldmoney' Goldsmiths
Post by: Mooster on October 30, 2011, 09:48:07 am
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/tvshowbiz/article-2055225/KATIE-NICHOLL-The-cost-loving--divorce-leaves-300m-Zac-Goldsmith-strapped-cash.html

Is there any truth in the rumour that Zac is Diana's half brother?  The photo in this article took my breath away  :-  He looks so like Diana, it's uncanny  :oooh:


Title: Re: Zac Goldsmith
Post by: True Brit on October 30, 2011, 11:40:49 am
It is known that Frances Shand Kydd had an affair with James Goldsmith (Zac & Jemima's father) before Diana was born. Frances was very unhappily married (as we all know) but there have been attempts to say she was too needy/nervy and not Jimmy Goldsmith's type. However - most women were Jimmy Goldsmith's type.

Then there were attempts to rubbish it all saying the affair was over before Frances became pregnant with Diana. Who knows except I agree with you the resemblance between Zac (and Jemima) is stunning.


Let's not also forget the bitter divorce between Frances and the Earl Spencer and her own mother took sides with the Earl and gave evidence that she was not fit to be a mother. Shame on them all.

BTW the story of the affair was in a biography and I can't recall who wrote it but I am sure someone more knowledgeable than me will be able to fill in the gaps.


Title: Re: Zac Goldsmith
Post by: Alexandrine on October 30, 2011, 08:23:54 pm
 :- First time I read about this.

He does look like Diana but would her father accepted her if she wasn't his kid?


Title: Re: Zac Goldsmith
Post by: Mooster on October 30, 2011, 11:24:42 pm
I suppose the fact that Diana was a girl wasn't so much of a problem for Earl Spencer, if she had been a boy then it would have been an issue because of inheriting Althorp and the title.  Adultery, as far as I can make out, was a fact of life among the upper class so it wasn't something to make too much of a fuss over.  The resemblence between Diana (and William, particularly in his younger pretty boy days) and the Goldsmith children is too astounding to ignore.  I wondered whether it had been proven, or there was any other compelling evidence.  I've always thought Diana was different to the other Spencer children, not just looks but her whole charismatic persona...and by all accounts, Sir James was quite a character.


Title: Re: Zac Goldsmith
Post by: Black Queen on October 30, 2011, 11:27:21 pm
http://www.henrymakow.com/are_the_future_king.html

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Other intriguing bits of "evidence" and speculation have been cited in the London Daily Mail, which quotes sources that claim that Diana was conceived during her mother's affair with the Jewish banker tycoon Sir James Goldsmith (originally Goldschmidt and no apparent relationship to Carole Goldsmith). The report says that Frances was estranged from her husband, Earl Spencer (Viscount Althorp), and had an affair with Sir James Goldsmith just at the time that Diana was conceived. Strengthening the case, a report points to striking resemblances between Princess Diana and Sir James Goldsmith's other three children, Zak, Ben and Jemima Goldsmith.


Title: Re: Zac Goldsmith
Post by: Alexandrine on October 31, 2011, 02:22:01 pm
But they could have used that to make Frances even worse during the divorce.

And the red haired gen? Did it came from the Windsors? Or the Goldsmiths are also red haired?


Title: Re: Zac Goldsmith
Post by: Lieblich on October 31, 2011, 02:42:14 pm
Red hair is a Spencer trait, but I don't know if the Goldsmiths also have it.

I don't think the Earl Spencer was so nice of a man to have doted on a child whose paternity was suspect.


Title: Re: Zac Goldsmith
Post by: Alexandrine on October 31, 2011, 02:43:59 pm
Yes, that's what I think too. But he may have accepted her if he considered that he would look worse if it was known that her wife had a kid with another man.  :dontknow:


Title: Re: Zac Goldsmith
Post by: Lieblich on October 31, 2011, 03:01:34 pm
Accepted, sure. But by all accounts he doted on Diana. :dontknow:


Title: Re: Zac Goldsmith
Post by: True Brit on October 31, 2011, 03:21:21 pm
I beleive aristocracy have a much easier relationship with "cuckoos in the nest" than the rest of us. It was a common event and the artistos and Royals would just gather any such child into the family to avoid a scandal or complications.

Although, thinking about it, this was also something that many families did in the UK before the war. I went to school with a girl whose "Aunty" was really her mother. Her grandparents passed themselves off as her parents to avoid the stigma of being illigitimate.

This is most interesting and it reminds me it was Tina Brown who wrote the book which revealed that James Goldsmith was allegedly Diana's father. What is certainly true is that he and Frances DID have an affair.

http://aangirfan.blogspot.com/2011/04/royal-wedding-goldsmiths.html

There's a fascinating little story in the comments (if you like conspiracies) and it does make you start to think a bit. The Goldsmith connection.


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Anonymous said...
Reading nothing I didn't know about 50 years ago.

Both the boys and girls of the top families are given lists of suitable marriage-partners, in order of preference. Their inheritances depended on where on the list they wound-up. Problems arose when the same girl had the same guy at the top of their list - claws out!!! - or the guy with the best inheritance chances was gay. The girls, even if they were lesbian and some probably were, of course, at least preferred a guy who was a good f##k. They would wail in despair "Can I borrow yours sometime!? You lucky girl, he's GREAT! Can I?" They cared less about love, per se, as it was the norm for such people to fill-in the gaps with toyboys/mistresses, other people's wives/husbands etc.

I know this as I sat there, listening to the cackle as the young teen girls working at the Palace looking after Chas and Hoss proffered lists all over the place.

They were NOT allowed to marry outside of - I'll use the phrase, THE CLAN - I dated a couple of girls a few times, that was ok, but they told me not to get too involved, I had no chance.

You are beginning to uncover what I've told various people of, and been laughed at to my face.

I did wonder about the lovely bride. As people I wish them all the best, they do seem to be a good match and genuinely in love (want bets on Harry going for Gold with Pippa? He seemed smitten. Me too!!!). It didn't equate with what I know, how could Wills marry a simple 'normal' girl? It doesn't happen.

And, thank you aangs, I now know my gut-feeling was right, and he HASN'T. Kate is a Goldsmith, one of the cream of Nobility, a 'hidden spare'. One of the Palace girls I dated was of the Goldsmith/Mendosa clan (same as actor Peter Sellers, also one of their 'spares').

The clans are seemingly sharpening their swords ...again. The thing is, who gets their head lopped-off this time?

Look past the Jewish issue, look past the names, think CLANS.

By the way, Camilla was one of those girls. Forget the blurb they first met age 20 or so, lies all of it, they've always known each other.

And, though she wasn't on his list HE was number One on HERS.

I simply can't work-out the mechanics of the wheeling-and-dealing behind the scenes here, but believe me THE CLANS ARE ARISING!

A sudden guess: Do 'they' think the Royals will be weakened when Charles takes the Crown, Wills being given the job, an unfortunate helicopter accident leaving her Queen? Is that possible?

If so, a contact of mine maybe was right. I consider him to have genuine access to good intel. Though the Jewish bit raises an eyebrow. He definitely was Jewish. He told me there have been 4 attempts to take the Crown, beginning with Mountbatten, but the war got in the way. the 2nd was something around the Profumo/Ward thing, then possibly the apparent 2 attempts to take over Parliament in '68 and '74 (the Harold Wilson stuff).

The last attempt was Diana.

He said there were indications a 5th attempt was under planning, why he and friends were investigating.

Is Kate the 5th attempt?

The best soap-opera in the world, mate, Simon Cowell couldn't do it better!


Title: Re: Zac Goldsmith
Post by: Alexandrine on October 31, 2011, 06:16:07 pm
Are the goldsmiths the miners? Or is that from the maternal side of Carole?


Title: Re: Zac Goldsmith
Post by: berlin on October 31, 2011, 08:57:36 pm
Are the goldsmiths the miners? Or is that from the maternal side of Carole?

We're talking about a wholly different group of Goldsmith's here.

Anyway, didn't Diana bear a striking resemblance to her paternal grandmother, Countess Cynthia Spencer? 
http://photos.mlive.com/grandrapidspress/2010/11/g1107dianacelebration03.html


Title: Re: Zac Goldsmith
Post by: Alexandrine on October 31, 2011, 09:01:33 pm
I was commenting in relation to the quote posted by TB. It says that Kate is a Goldsmiths and that it is important.  :dontknow:


Title: Re: Zac Goldsmith
Post by: Mooster on October 31, 2011, 10:47:06 pm
Are the goldsmiths the miners? Or is that from the maternal side of Carole?

We're talking about a wholly different group of Goldsmith's here.

Anyway, didn't Diana bear a striking resemblance to her paternal grandmother, Countess Cynthia Spencer?  
http://photos.mlive.com/grandrapidspress/2010/11/g1107dianacelebration03.html

The resemblance to the Goldsmith children is far more striking IMO.  I think the Windsors have red hair in their ancestry too, Queen Alexandra and Queen Mary (who Harry strongly resembles) had red hair.


Title: Re: Zac Goldsmith
Post by: berlin on October 31, 2011, 10:59:40 pm
Well I think Diana looks very much like her mother who herself looked like a Goldsmith.  I think Diana is a blood Spencer.


Title: Re: Zac Goldsmith
Post by: Mooster on October 31, 2011, 11:10:08 pm

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Title: Re: Zac Goldsmith
Post by: Alexandrine on October 31, 2011, 11:12:19 pm
^^ You need to use a image converter to upload the image from your pc (I think it was your pc so I edited your post  :KEZZA:)


Title: Re: Zac Goldsmith
Post by: Mooster on October 31, 2011, 11:14:05 pm
^ Oops, sorry, removed it (before I read your post) because it wasn't working.


Title: Re: Zac Goldsmith
Post by: Alexandrine on October 31, 2011, 11:16:11 pm
Don't worry, maybe you can try finding the pic in google and link it here.


Title: Re: Zac Goldsmith
Post by: Mooster on October 31, 2011, 11:47:39 pm
(http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2009/10/25/article-1222921-06F63B34000005DC-217_634x355.jpg)

(http://www.dumage.com/img/fun/royal-look-alikes/royal-look-alikes08.jpg)

The Windsors (not just the Spencers) also have a red hair gene, so red hair in Harry and Wills is not solely attributed to the Spencers for example: - Harry and a young Queen Mary - showing their similar facial features and red hair.


Title: Re: Zac Goldsmith
Post by: Mooster on November 01, 2011, 12:00:09 am
PS  also Diana's mother Frances Roche has Irish ancestry, which is well known for red hair.  So I think there is enough to safely rule out the fact that red hair comes solely from the Spencer line and could have passed down to William and Harry without the Spencer input.  Diana and William's similarity to Zac is astonishing and if I find more pics I'll post them.


Title: Re: Zac Goldsmith
Post by: Mooster on November 01, 2011, 12:07:19 am
(http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_NE-72ZXux-g/SxVAWA1IlxI/AAAAAAAAL6A/2QJQRq3NQf4/s320/diana.jpg)(http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_NE-72ZXux-g/SxVCL8VxpwI/AAAAAAAAL6w/l7gTt68hDcY/s320/thumb-zacg.jpeg)

Diana and Zac Goldsmith

(http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_NE-72ZXux-g/SxVAW1i2VWI/AAAAAAAAL6Y/qKMOSElmXP4/s320/William+3.bmp)(http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_NE-72ZXux-g/SxVAWui5KvI/AAAAAAAAL6Q/-xMBYzGm97U/s320/Zac+Goldsmith.bmp)

William and Zac Goldsmith


Title: Re: Zac Goldsmith
Post by: Gwendolyn on November 01, 2011, 12:07:44 am
It's the glimmer in Zac Goldsmith's eyes that gets me.  Diana had the same glimmer, that same captivating something in her eyes.  I sincerely do not wish to underestimate her connection to Lord Spencer though.  I know from experience that blood is only so thick when another man has raised you; it counts for virtually nothing compared to the love and acceptance of a true father figure.  For that reason, and due to the passing of the principal players, I almost find speculation on the matter to be inappropriate.


Title: Re: Zac Goldsmith
Post by: Mooster on November 01, 2011, 12:20:07 am
Oh, of course Gwendolyn, I mean no disrespect at all to Diana or Frances and Earl Spencer.  It is all speculation and whatever the truth behind her parentage, nothing would ever dim the magic of Diana.


Title: Re: Zac Goldsmith
Post by: Gwendolyn on November 01, 2011, 12:28:23 am
I agree wholeheartedly with regard to Diana - some lights never go out - and I hope I didn't offend you, Mooster.  :flower:

Honestly, this is the first I've ever heard of the Goldsmiths, but it really does appear Diana might have been one.  I think it'd be cool if the princes had some Jewish ancestry.


Title: Re: Zac Goldsmith
Post by: berlin on November 01, 2011, 12:28:52 am
I can't stand to look at Zac especially with the way he has treated Scheherazade.  He looks quite sinister to me.  I don't get good vibes off him.

I think Diana got most of her mom's looks.  Besides, Diana's nieces look very similar to her and their dad most certainly is a Spencer.


Title: Re: Zac Goldsmith
Post by: Gwendolyn on November 01, 2011, 12:38:29 am
That's very interesting, Berlin.  What has Zac done to Sheherezade?  She is gorgeous, by the way.

About the pictures posted above...  Sorry to go off topic, but time is treating Harry very, very well.  Yowza!  lol


Title: Re: Zac Goldsmith
Post by: berlin on November 01, 2011, 04:16:15 am
He left her and their four kids for Alice de Rothschild, who doesn't hold a candle to Scheherazade.  Here's a most recent article:

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/tvshowbiz/article-2055225/Zac-Goldsmith-divorce-Sheherazade-leaves-strapped-cash.html

You can search the DM for the whole saga. 


Title: Re: Zac Goldsmith
Post by: Mooster on November 01, 2011, 06:17:55 am
I don't know what it is with these well off-toffs, none of them can seem to keep it in their pants   :dontknow:  They're always looking for new fields to furrow   :thumbsdown:


Title: Re: Zac Goldsmith
Post by: Liza on November 04, 2011, 10:53:51 pm
Diana appeared to have a different and darker complexion than her siblings.  Diana's nose also more closely resembles Zac and Jehima's than Sarah or Charles, but Jane appears to have a larger nose like Diana's. 






Title: Re: Zac Goldsmith
Post by: Liza on November 05, 2011, 01:45:19 am
How are Carole Goldsmith's ancestors of miners closely related to Sir James Goldsmith or the Rothschild family?  That relationship would be too distant wouldn't it, if there is one?  Have been mislead about Carole's family tree to believe they are all laborers when they are not.  In fact I do remember a recent comment in one of the newspapers stating that someone should check more closely into Carole's ancestors, who they claim are  laborers when in fact they are not.  Remember when the Midds or the media, or someone claimed Uncle Gary was a plumber?


Title: Re: Zac Goldsmith
Post by: Mooster on November 05, 2011, 07:55:54 am
^ No, Carole's not related to James Goldsmith, who was actually born in Paris.


Title: Re: Zac Goldsmith
Post by: Acornia on November 05, 2011, 12:43:54 pm
I think Goldsmith is a common Jewish name, so chances of them being related are probably slim.


Title: Re: Zac Goldsmith
Post by: Liza on November 12, 2011, 01:49:49 am
Diana's looks much more like Zac than her sister, Jane.  If Diana is Goldsmith's daughter, that dose that mean that William does not have the Stewart lineage?


Title: Re: Zac Goldsmith
Post by: berlin on November 12, 2011, 06:41:22 am
Everytime I see pictures of Zac my stomach turns.  I don't know why.


Title: Re: Zac Goldsmith
Post by: Acornia on November 12, 2011, 04:20:52 pm
^ Because he cheated on his beautiful wife with a plain Rothschild?  :dontknow:


Title: Re: Zac Goldsmith
Post by: berlin on November 12, 2011, 06:57:55 pm
No.  I can look at pictures of Charles and other cheaters and not get that feeling.  There's something else.


Title: Re: Zac Goldsmith
Post by: Dahlia on November 13, 2011, 02:42:34 pm
^I´m with you berlin. He looks evil  :ick:


Title: Re: Zac Goldsmith
Post by: Alexandrine on November 22, 2011, 09:33:44 pm
Green envoy Zac Goldsmith 'sacked' for defying government over EU vote

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2063788/Green-envoy-Zac-Goldsmith-sacked-defying-government-EU-vote.html


Title: Re: Zac Goldsmith
Post by: Mooster on November 27, 2011, 04:50:42 pm
http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2011/11/26/article-2066533-00CC050F00000190-947_468x930.jpg

Jemima Khan looks so like Diana in this photo - if she had Di's/Zac's blue eyes, and fair skin, she'd be her double  :flirt:


Title: Re: Zac Goldsmith
Post by: Tatiana on November 27, 2011, 06:28:08 pm


                nope .. He is definately Annabel's son

                        http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1382583/ROYAL-WEDDING-Will-Lady-Annabel-Goldsmith-revenge-snub-Camilla.html


Title: Re: Zac Goldsmith
Post by: Tatiana on November 27, 2011, 06:40:35 pm


         sorry for the double post ...

                              Diana looks a lot like Cynthia .. her paternal grandmother   ...  http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cynthia_Spencer,_Countess_Spencer


Title: Re: Zac Goldsmith
Post by: Mooster on November 27, 2011, 06:48:35 pm
^ ooh, yes she does...particularly when Diana was young and had a similar hairstyle - I'm thinking of the photos in her late teens when the press were chasing her when an engagement was imminent, that said it's a drawing, has it been modified to look like Diana?  However, still not convinced that she is not Jimmy's daughter though - I've watched video clips of him talking and when she spoke she used to pull her mouth in a certain way and other expressions were similar.  


He also had very long legs like her  :sigh:   http://www.sirjamesgoldsmith.com/pages/outsider5/outsider5image1.jpg


He also has her luminous blue eyes and fair complexion  
http://www.sirjamesgoldsmith.com/pages/home.png


Title: Re: Zac Goldsmith
Post by: Tatiana on November 27, 2011, 07:11:53 pm


               I see where u are coming from .. but Harry has the same red hair as his cousin George.. who got his from his Grandad Earl Spencer.. the former Lady Sarah  Spencer has it too.. and Diana had reddish blonde hair as a teenager... and the former Lady Jane Spencer sounds a lot like Diana when she speaks.


Title: Re: Zac Goldsmith
Post by: Mooster on November 27, 2011, 09:56:14 pm
Yes, of course...it's all speculation anyway, the only thing that would prove it, is a DNA test and even if they wanted it, the those three people are dead now - so, we'll never know.  I love Diana, she's such an enigma, she was so beautiful, charismatic and magical that she generates such interest even now  kisss


Title: Re: Zac Goldsmith
Post by: Mooster on November 27, 2011, 11:51:03 pm
(http://www.sirjamesgoldsmith.com/pages/tyc7/tyc7main1.jpg)


Title: Re: Zac Goldsmith
Post by: Mooster on November 28, 2011, 12:03:12 am
^  Whoops, forgot to state that the above pic is of Sir James Goldsmith


Title: Re: Zac Goldsmith
Post by: Mooster on December 12, 2011, 10:05:40 am
Just been looking through Lauracrazygirl's photobucket album and pictures of the young Diana such as this one:  http://s28.photobucket.com/albums/c209/lauracrazygirl/?action=view&current=oldwillandkate.jpg#!oZZ92QQcurrentZZhttp%3A%2F%2Fs28.photobucket.com%2Falbums%2Fc209%2Flauracrazygirl%2F%3Faction%3Dview%26current%3Dc149.jpg

http://s28.photobucket.com/albums/c209/lauracrazygirl/?action=view&current=oldwillandkate.jpg#!oZZ83QQcurrentZZhttp%3A%2F%2Fs28.photobucket.com%2Falbums%2Fc209%2Flauracrazygirl%2F%3Faction%3Dview%26current%3Dc9d8.jpg

http://s28.photobucket.com/albums/c209/lauracrazygirl/?action=view&current=oldwillandkate.jpg#!oZZ87QQcurrentZZhttp%3A%2F%2Fs28.photobucket.com%2Falbums%2Fc209%2Flauracrazygirl%2F%3Faction%3Dview%26current%3D9daf.jpg

http://s28.photobucket.com/albums/c209/lauracrazygirl/?action=view&current=oldwillandkate.jpg#!oZZ91QQcurrentZZhttp%3A%2F%2Fs28.photobucket.com%2Falbums%2Fc209%2Flauracrazygirl%2F%3Faction%3Dview%26current%3Dce46.jpg

Also looking through the images of a young James Goldsmith, such as this one:  http://www.sirjamesgoldsmith.com/#outsider/3

and this one:  http://www.sirjamesgoldsmith.com/#tycoon/0

Diana also has the same shaped long legs as Sir James (he was also very tall, 6 feet 4 inches):

http://s28.photobucket.com/albums/c209/lauracrazygirl/?action=view&current=oldwillandkate.jpg#!oZZ63QQcurrentZZhttp%3A%2F%2Fs28.photobucket.com%2Falbums%2Fc209%2Flauracrazygirl%2F%3Faction%3Dview%26current%3D8b_39.jpg

http://www.sirjamesgoldsmith.com/#outsider/5

 
The resemblence is uncanny... ;)


Title: Re: Zac Goldsmith
Post by: Mooster on December 12, 2011, 10:40:26 am
Umm...for some reason the copy and pasted links are just directing you to the same pic of Will and Kate  :-X

However if you follow the link to lauracrazygirls album http://s28.photobucket.com/albums/c209/lauracrazygirl/?action=view&current=oldwillandkate.jpg#!oZZ63QQcurrentZZhttp%3A%2F%2Fs28.photobucket.com%2Falbums%2Fc209%2Flauracrazygirl%2F%3Faction%3Dview%26current%3D8b_39.jpg  the photos that I suggested of a young Diana were numbered:  105, 93, 92, 91, 87 and 83

The example of her long legs and their similarity to Sir James ( http://www.sirjamesgoldsmith.com/#outsider/5 ) is number 63

I also find it interesting that Sir James photo album was labelled 'The Outsider', something Diana considered herself to be for her whole life.

I know I seem obsessed about Diana's supposed links to the Goldsmiths but it intrigues me greatly, and also adds to the mystery around the alluring and enigmatic Diana.  I often wonder whether Lady Annabel Goldsmith knew that Diana was Jimmy's daughter and that was why she and her daughter Jemima embraced and welcomed Diana into the family fold...Lady Annabel was often referred to as Diana's surrogate mother.  In place of her estranged mother, she turned to Lucia Flecha de Lima, wife of the Brazilian ambasador, and Lady Annabel Goldsmith. http://www.thisislondon.co.uk/news/article-1944744-mothers-abuse-over-muslim-boyfriends.do 

Jemima, to this day, still vigorously fights Diana's corner, remember the barbed comment regarding Camilla taking the place of Diana at the register signing.


Title: Re: Zac Goldsmith
Post by: Annabel on December 14, 2011, 02:44:02 am
Interesting thread! I had never heard of these rumors before to be frank. But I must admit that Zac and Jemima always reminded me of "someone". I think there's indeed a resemblance, especially to Zac, and what strikes me quite a bit is Diana's nose. Her nose looks quite similar to Zac's and Jemima's. I'm not an expert when it comes to such things, but I think there's a slight chance that Harry's red hair could indeed have come through Queen Mary or Queen Alexandra.

However, I think that Diana resembles the Spencers, too. Or maybe it's just that I'm used to the idea that Diana was the Earl's daughter. Puzzling, but really interesting. As far as I know Diana was always very close to Lady Annabel and it's true, Jemima is still very sensitive when it comes to Diana (which of course she could also just be because they were close friends). Boy, the Goldsmiths seemed really pissed that they weren't invited to the wedding...


Title: Re: Zac Goldsmith
Post by: Mooster on January 18, 2012, 01:38:41 am
                               (http://profile.ak.fbcdn.net/hprofile-ak-snc4/186447_1454800678_1543618561_n.jpg)(http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_NE-72ZXux-g/SxVAWui5KvI/AAAAAAAAL6Q/-xMBYzGm97U/s320/Zac+Goldsmith.bmp)

                                                 Princess Diana and Zac Goldsmith


Title: Re: Zac Goldsmith
Post by: Tatiana on January 18, 2012, 07:18:32 am
    Here is a photo of The Late Earl Spencer's mother.

                Diana takes after her in looks.    No way is she from another father. I wish people would stop this sillyness.
 
                 Cynthia also had long legs and the same figure as her son's daughter.

                          http://www.geneall.net/img/pessoas/pes_13776.jpg


Title: Re: Zac Goldsmith
Post by: Tatiana on January 18, 2012, 07:26:44 am


              Diana adored her father, and would have not had any dealings with a family who had hurt her father.

   


Title: Re: Zac Goldsmith
Post by: Mooster on January 18, 2012, 08:45:37 am
^ Diana would hardly have any say in it at conception.  Don't be so rude describing other people's thoughts and opinions as silly.  If you don't want different opinions and speculations then don't come on this thread, there are plenty of others to keep you occupied.  PS on reflection, Diana has completely different features to that sketch of Cynthia, however, I can see her sister Sarah in Cynthia.


Title: Re: Zac Goldsmith
Post by: Mimi on January 18, 2012, 12:19:10 pm
A child cannot be born with red hair unless both parents have the genes for red hair.  So if one parent has it and the other does not the child will not have red hair but only inherit the gene.  So both of Harry's parents had to have come from families where red hair was present.  I don't think the Goldsmith rumor is true.


Title: Re: Zac Goldsmith
Post by: Mooster on January 18, 2012, 12:41:28 pm
How interesting Mimi  :thumbsup:   

Incidentally, Ben Goldsmith appears to have the red gene too

http://www.realbollywood.com/2011/05/ben-goldsmith-tweets-too-hot-rihanna-meeting-backstage.html


Title: Re: Zac Goldsmith
Post by: Mooster on January 18, 2012, 12:59:13 pm
...and Jemima too  http://www.google.com/imgres?q=jemima+khan&hl=en&biw=1280&bih=587&gbv=2&tbm=isch&tbnid=mopmZ9smr9qJEM:&imgrefurl=http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/newstopics/mandrake/7786576/Jemima-Khan-admits-her-children-would-fail-Lord-Tebbits-cricket-test.html&docid=HPHgeUg_cRrErM&imgurl=http://i.telegraph.co.uk/multimedia/archive/01647/Jemima-Khan_1647104c.jpg&w=460&h=288&ei=sMEWT_2wHMzRswadu518&zoom=1&iact=hc&vpx=953&vpy=229&dur=1800&hovh=178&hovw=284&tx=210&ty=143&sig=108856099652427632425&page=3&tbnh=122&tbnw=167&start=65&ndsp=34&ved=1t:429,r:7,s:65

sorry about double post but modify function timed out  :bye:


Title: Re: Zac Goldsmith
Post by: Mimi on January 18, 2012, 01:04:52 pm
I am not seeing any red, but it might be my computer screen.


Title: Re: Zac Goldsmith
Post by: Mooster on January 18, 2012, 01:13:37 pm
mmm, could be...try this one

http://www.google.com/imgres?q=jemima+khan&start=439&hl=en&biw=1280&bih=587&gbv=2&tbm=isch&tbnid=fOGQv6rkgl_F5M:&imgrefurl=http://www.vogue.co.uk/news/2011/01/14/jemima-khan-advertises-the-independent-i-on-television&docid=TA4XmbVWu1hUmM&imgurl=http://cdni.condenast.co.uk/320x480/g_j/JKhan_V_14Jan2011_-PR_320x480.jpg&w=320&h=480&ei=IMUWT6DzK8fZsgbq0blD&zoom=1&chk=sbg&iact=hc&vpx=657&vpy=24&dur=3931&hovh=275&hovw=183&tx=94&ty=159&sig=108856099652427632425&page=15&tbnh=135&tbnw=90&ndsp=30&ved=1t:429,r:4,s:439


Title: Re: Zac Goldsmith
Post by: Alexandrine on January 18, 2012, 04:27:17 pm
They look so similar that there could be something true in the rumour  :dontknow:


Title: Re: Zac Goldsmith
Post by: Mooster on January 18, 2012, 05:27:01 pm
BTW the story of the affair was in a biography and I can't recall who wrote it but I am sure someone more knowledgeable than me will be able to fill in the gaps.

I think the book you're referring to, True Brit, is the one by Kitty Kelley.

Alexandrine, it's been, apparently, an open secret among the aristocracy for years.  I'm compiling some photos on Picasa, if anyone's interested:

 https://picasaweb.google.com/111399223239173244896/January182012#


Title: Re: Zac Goldsmith
Post by: Tatiana on January 20, 2012, 12:41:14 am
^ Diana would hardly have any say in it at conception.  Don't be so rude describing other people's thoughts and opinions as silly.  If you don't want different opinions and speculations then don't come on this thread, there are plenty of others to keep you occupied.  PS on reflection, Diana has completely different features to that sketch of Cynthia, however, I can see her sister Sarah in Cynthia.

           Ah Kitty Kelley .. it must be true then ..

   How about this then   .. http://www.reptilianagenda.com/research/r112299b.shtml


      I am standing up for a kinswoman, who can no longer speak for herself.. and kindly dont be so bossy.

       I didnt call people or their opinions silly .. I said the topic and the very idea was silly.


Title: Re: Zac Goldsmith
Post by: Mooster on January 20, 2012, 08:52:39 am
No, it was Tina Brown not Kitty Kelley.  The topic is not silly.  This forum is called Royal Gossip, and it's a valid line of discussion seeing as it involves our future King.  See also Richard Ingram's piece in the Independent:


http://www.independent.co.uk/opinion/columnists/richard-ingrams/richard-ingrams-week-we-cant-go-on-blaming-the-system-for-drug-problems-899001.html

Diana IMO looks nothing like Cynthia Spencer  

http://www.google.com/imgres?q=cynthia+spencer&hl=en&biw=1259&bih=610&gbv=2&tbm=isch&tbnid=qgepLk3vdBU70M:&imgrefurl=http://royaldish.com/index.php%3Ftopic%3D6497.450&docid=QKZgMaaFJZeihM&imgurl=http://i1220.photobucket.com/albums/dd448/Neslisah/Britain01/CynthiaSpencerneHamiltonCountessSpencer.jpg&w=370&h=500&ei=ViwZT5DmBoyq8APrpNizCw&zoom=1&iact=hc&vpx=579&vpy=234&dur=2485&hovh=261&hovw=193&tx=127&ty=176&sig=114822162673464454564&page=2&tbnh=132&tbnw=98&start=21&ndsp=27&ved=1t:429,r:10,s:21

http://www.google.com/imgres?q=cynthia+spencer&hl=en&biw=1259&bih=610&gbv=2&tbm=isch&tbnid=sooPWDUaK6SibM:&imgrefurl=http://www.npg.org.uk/collections/search/portrait/mw165819/Cynthia-Spencer-ne-Hamilton-Countess-Spencer&docid=z1oc1lPJp7Im9M&imgurl=http://images.npg.org.uk/264_325/1/9/mw165819.jpg&w=240&h=325&ei=ViwZT5DmBoyq8APrpNizCw&zoom=1&iact=hc&vpx=540&vpy=114&dur=97&hovh=260&hovw=192&tx=101&ty=150&sig=114822162673464454564&page=1&tbnh=134&tbnw=115&start=0&ndsp=21&ved=1t:429,r:3,s:0

Removed part of post because it was getting personal! A


Title: Re: Zac Goldsmith
Post by: Tatiana on January 20, 2012, 05:29:47 pm


       Constructive thing to say ... mmm The RF wanted Diana, with her Spencer genes, that go back to Kings of both England and Scotland... if this "rumour" has any truth to it at all..  Diana would have been backheeled before she even got in the running.

         They wanted a future King to have very British genes..  Gosh look how upset they were when Diana was "dating" a Moslem, who hailed from Egypt.

                Gossip away then.. it's your dime, as they say in the USA.

Deleted some comments - Alex


Title: Re: Zac Goldsmith
Post by: YooperModerator on January 20, 2012, 09:31:37 pm
A rumour is a rumour: sometimes it's a silly idea or a piece of PR gossip and sometimes it turns out to be true.
In this case the facts say that Diana was a Spencer, whether in blood or only in name doesn't matter to me!
We will never be able to prove it true or false because all of them are dead.
Ergo
Don't get wound up because of a rumour ppl and don't start  :catfight: because of it! Play nice or I'll close the topic.
PS we edited some comments that were off-topic and getting personal!


Title: Re: Zac Goldsmith
Post by: Tatiana on January 21, 2012, 02:00:17 am


   Thank You Akasha  :thankyou:


Title: Re: Zac Goldsmith
Post by: Mooster on January 21, 2012, 02:21:40 am
'Was Sir James Goldsmith the father of Princess Diana? I was familiar with the rumour but recently what we journalists call a normally reliable source told me that it was a distinct possibility. Goldsmith had certainly been intimate with Mrs Shand Kydd and the dates all fitted. So why not?...if they might have a bearing on the future of the Royal Family, then perhaps there should be a proper inquiry and possibly even DNA testing.'
 

Extract from an article in The Independent, Saturday 16 August 2008

Very interesting piece from an intelligent and IMO respected journalist, Richard Ingrams



Title: Re: Zac Goldsmith
Post by: Tatiana on January 21, 2012, 02:32:59 am


    Rumours about someone like Diana will continue to swirl for years.

It would seem Diana has a Facebook account.. and is apparently living in Cincinnati, Ohio

          http://www.facebook.com/pages/Diana-Princess-of-Wales/304104213697


Title: Re: Zac Goldsmith
Post by: Mooster on January 21, 2012, 02:42:16 am
That facebook account is a tribute to her, not that they think she is alive...in their info box, they state 'Diana, Princess of Wales. Gone but she will never be forgotten!'  They are just keeping her memory alive.


Title: Re: Zac Goldsmith
Post by: YooperModerator on January 21, 2012, 03:21:15 am
Even Elvis (the other King) has a FB page!
oh and BTW god, jesus, satan and buddah have FB as well, there must be one heck of a asl connection going upwards! :tehe:


Title: Re: Zac Goldsmith
Post by: Tatiana on January 21, 2012, 03:39:38 am


    Heck I even have a FB account   :there:

    I did notice that Moooster.. thank you. ;)

      Bless FaceBook for we shall not go unknown into that great goodnight ..  :dance:


Title: Re: Zac Goldsmith
Post by: YooperModerator on January 21, 2012, 04:35:12 am
True a there are some gost FB accounts going around the ppl are dead but the account was not deleted,
One of my colleagues has one of those, he died last year of cancer but his fb is run by his wife in his name  :thumbsup:
They say you are only truly dead when nobody remembers you, so fb offers you immortality in a way!

Back on topic:
Even after all that time Diana and her actions are still in ppls memories, compare it to for instance queen mum who lived a lot longer and is already nearly forgotten by many!
but diana is still being talked about fifteen years later whether it's positive or negative doesn't matter that much.
To me she is immortal in a mostly positive way and that's something few ppl can say!  :thumbsup:


Title: Re: Zac Goldsmith
Post by: Mooster on January 21, 2012, 04:43:47 am
I love Diana, there'll never be another in the RF like her  :bye:  I'll never forget the day she died, it was my daughter's birthday and we spent all day watching the news and blubbing  :sob:


Title: Re: Zac Goldsmith
Post by: Tatiana on January 21, 2012, 10:35:10 pm


     I was in Vancouver that day, watching a canadian football game with friends, when a news announcement broke in to say Dodi was dead and she had a broken arm.

     Then a while later another news report said she was dead... we were in all shock... many of us cried... the party broke up and many left.
 
      I felt so very sad for her boys and for a woman who was making a difference to this world.. she would have gotten a Nobel Peace Prize if she hadnt died.

     I watched her funeral, as I had watched her wedding, I shall never forget that time.

     She was unique, she was human and yes she made mistakes, and admitted to them, she had a rare gift for reaching out to people, the world is a sadder place without her.

      I love her too Mooster,  and yes Akasha she is immortal .. which must annoy the hell out of her idiot ex husband.


Title: Re: Zac Goldsmith
Post by: Tatiana on January 21, 2012, 11:14:16 pm


   I just found this .. as to why Diana cannot be James' daughter.. sorry to double post ..

 http://www.dailymail.co.uk/tvshowbiz/article-315244/Were-Diana-Jemima-sisters.html


Title: Re: Zac Goldsmith
Post by: Mooster on January 21, 2012, 11:45:14 pm
There do seem to be conflicting articles about the amount of time that Frances spent in London i.e the Ingrams article.  There's no doubt that their marriage was in trouble after the birth of their son that died shortly after being born.  She definitely kept taking trips to London after Diana was born, taking tea in the Ritz etc like lots of bored, desperate, aristocratic housewives of that time and mixing with the Mayfair set that Goldsmith was part of, indeed, that's how she met Shand Kydd.

I'm still trying to read stuff and find out more about her before Diana was born, the impression I'm getting so far is that she was quite a good looking, sexy woman that men noticed...and not the nervy, wallflower type that some articles portray.  If she was unhappy in her marriage it would not be beyond the realms of fantasy that she got 'affection' elsewhere to make her feel valued...and from what I've read about Jimmy Goldsmith he would have been more than willing to supply the said 'affection'. 

Again, nothing can be proved, and it's all purely speculation - but for me, there's no smoke without fire, and I cannot ignore my gut feeling about this.  There's some pics of Diana with her family, as a child, and she just seems so different from the rest of them, not just her looks, it's just that whole vibe.  Goldsmith was a risk taker and unconventional and I get that same vibe from Diana.  I love and respect Diana, the person, I couldn't care less where she comes from.


Title: Re: Zac Goldsmith
Post by: Mooster on January 22, 2012, 04:59:45 pm

Sir James Goldsmith speaking:          http://sirjamesgoldsmith.com/#thinker/3

Princess Diana:             http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=endscreen&v=_AbiPCqi24A&NR=1

                                  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=isWhXKHqfkw&feature=related                             


Sir James and Diana even have the same measured speaking voice, mannerisms and facial expressions.  He also has that upward look, like her, when he speaks.


Title: Re: Zac Goldsmith
Post by: Alexandrine on January 22, 2012, 05:05:32 pm
But wouldn't be very "dangerous" for Frances to have an affair with Goldsmith and moreover a children with him before giving a heir to her husband? The aristo rule is for women to have an affair always after giving a heir not before. If Diana had not been a girl she would have been the next count spencer.


Title: Re: Zac Goldsmith
Post by: Mooster on January 22, 2012, 05:31:55 pm
Sir James Goldsmith speaking (I don't think my link on the other post worked)     http://www.sirjamesgoldsmith.com/#thinker/3

Princess Diana:             http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=endscreen&v=_AbiPCqi24A&NR=1

                                  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=isWhXKHqfkw&feature=related                              


Sir James and Diana even have the same measured speaking voice, mannerisms and facial expressions.  He also has that upward look, like her, when he speaks.


^ Yes, Alexandrine, it would have been 'dangerous' but Frances was very miserable and unhappy and probably wasn't thinking at all rationally.  She was terribly distraught and unhappy at the loss of her son, and the need to get away from her husband must have been overwhelming.  Apparently even before Diana's birth she was bored with provincial life and wanted to get to town more, she had frequent rows with her husband about her London trips.  Also, crucially Frances had income of her own apart from her husband, Viscount Spencer, who had very little money actually until he inherited the title of Earl from his father.  Goldsmith was definitely still in London at this time, hanging around with Aspinall and Shand Kydd, and its not too far of a stretch to imagine that their paths crossed e.g. in Claridges or somewhere like that.


Title: Re: Zac Goldsmith
Post by: Dahlia on January 22, 2012, 05:55:56 pm
The thing is now if Diana was not a Spencer would that change now anything for William and Harry? Is there a law that forbids the throne for children of illegitimates?


Title: Re: Zac Goldsmith
Post by: Mooster on January 22, 2012, 06:00:51 pm
I don't think it would affect William and Harry because THEY are legitimate.  However, it does raise a valid line of enquiry as to the bloodline of our future King.  It would be a valid line of interest/enquiry of any other royal, living or dead, past or present, so why not Diana, William or Harry?  After all, there has been plenty of discussion and speculation about Prince Andrew.

I concede that OFFICIALLY Diana is Earl Spencer's daughter BUT there is no greater proof to back that up than there is with Goldsmith.  However, plenty of men have raised other men's children knowingly or unknowingly.  


Title: Re: Zac Goldsmith
Post by: HC on January 22, 2012, 06:26:38 pm
I don't think Diana is a Goldsmith, but as her brother and sisters all deserted her to care for their own interests, I would hope for Diana that she was a Goldsmith. The pain over her sisters and her brother would then have been easier to live with.


Title: Re: Zac Goldsmith
Post by: Mooster on January 22, 2012, 06:33:20 pm
The Goldsmiths were a surrogate family to Diana...as an adult she spent more time in their company than she did with her own family, Lady Annabel was substitute mother and confidante .  They were fiercely protective of her, and Jemima still is to this day.


Title: Re: Zac Goldsmith
Post by: Alexandrine on January 22, 2012, 07:52:28 pm
Please try to keep the calm. I cannot understand why this is bringing the worst of anyone here.

Just remember that one way or another this doesn't change anything and that every opinion is valid.  :thankyou: :thankyou:  kisss


Title: Re: Zac Goldsmith
Post by: Dahlia on March 28, 2012, 11:51:19 pm
Do you also see a resemblance between Lady Goldsmith and Carole?

LG

http://i.telegraph.co.uk/multimedia/archive/00654/news-graphics-2007-_654294a.jpg
http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2009/11/10/article-0-03414C600000044D-162_468x414.jpg

Carole

http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-L3p158InvoE/Tb0QMtdNWMI/AAAAAAAASFE/6hYCmp_gxvU/s1600/Carole%2BGoldsmith.jpg
http://demoda.com.es/wp-content/uploads/2011/12/Carole-Middleton.jpg


Jemima is the splitting image of her mother

http://www.bbc.co.uk/radio4/womanshour/media/annabel.jpg


Title: Re: Zac Goldsmith
Post by: Jane23 on March 29, 2012, 01:02:59 am
Diana was a Spencer for God sake seeing how much Harry and to a certain extend William look like Spencers there is no doubt in my mind.


Title: Re: Zac Goldsmith
Post by: Mooster on March 29, 2012, 10:06:37 am
^ Were you there at Diana's conception?  If you are going purely by looks, Diana and William are more Goldsmith than Spencer.


Title: Re: Zac Goldsmith
Post by: Jane23 on March 29, 2012, 07:06:24 pm
^ (Ignore Hewitt) To see they are clones...



http://ll-media.tmz.com/2007/06/14/0614_prince_harry_2-1.jpg


The two boys looking like Earl Spencer

and DAMN!!!

http://www.soundoffcolumn.com/images/sarah-spencer.jpg


http://www.celebitchy.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/04/prince_harry_08_wenn3310765.jpg

Look at her son ( I think)


http://t2.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcRhLEUqmfOJpIWWn0pe7jgw3_3VrFbKiNW-02LmOB_9CJLYIPd8lBrYvS81zA


If Diana wasn't  a Spencer  Harry sure is LOL.


Title: Re: Zac Goldsmith
Post by: Jane23 on March 29, 2012, 07:08:58 pm
William edition just look at the two cousins for God sake :


http://lauriekendrick.files.wordpress.com/2010/11/prince-william-1.jpg




http://img.tatler.co.uk.s3.amazonaws.com/241x276/k_n/KittySpencer_Tat1000_29Feb1.jpg


Title: Re: Zac Goldsmith
Post by: Gwendolyn on March 29, 2012, 08:19:08 pm
I love how two people can look at the exact same photographs and see two entirely different things.  I respect you and your opinion, Jane23, but every link you've posted has only convinced me further that Diana had not Spencer, but Goldsmith blood.


Title: Re: Zac Goldsmith
Post by: Dahlia on March 29, 2012, 09:12:48 pm
Well I don´t see any resemblance between James and Diana

http://i.imgur.com/aALPv.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/Ql1kI.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/w7xpA.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/53rWm.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/2Tt3L.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/JJGOb.jpg

(http://i.imgur.com/1SsyN.jpg)

I´m confused.


Title: Re: Zac Goldsmith
Post by: Mooster on March 29, 2012, 11:07:26 pm
^ Sorry, I can see the resemblence between Diana and James (particularly, a young James Goldsmith) moreso than Johnny Spencer and Diana.  They also have the same speech patterns and mannerisms.  Also, Harry has red hair through the Windsors - also Jemima and Ben Goldsmith have red tones in their hair.  There is absolutely no denying that Diana is a dead ringer for Jemima and most particularly Zac.  If you're going to go purely by looks and mannerisms then Diana is more like the Goldsmiths.  Diana also had James renegade streak.  Zac looks more like Diana's brother than her own brother does.  William looks more like Zac than Charles Spencer.  Where's the undeniable proof that Diana is a Spencer? 

I know the possibility may disappoint a lot of people but I don't know why people are getting so worked up that Diana maybe a Goldsmith - it's discussed elsewhere - the aristocracy are not immune from illegitimacy!!!



Title: Re: Zac Goldsmith
Post by: Mooster on March 29, 2012, 11:37:14 pm
https://picasaweb.google.com/111399223239173244896/DianaGoldsmiths?authkey=Gv1sRgCJCLg_WwzLmtpwE#5725451449066556018

http://home.global.co.za/~tblw/Diana/young12a.jpg

Look very similar to me, almost like father and daughter  :June:

https://picasaweb.google.com/111399223239173244896/March292012#5725490969395729042

https://picasaweb.google.com/111399223239173244896/DianaGoldsmiths?authkey=Gv1sRgCJCLg_WwzLmtpwE#5725451449066556018

 :thumbsup:

Sorry about the multiple posts Mods, but it's difficult not to in this thread because it times out when you've found some more info that you want to add  :shy: :sorry:


Title: Re: Zac Goldsmith
Post by: Dahlia on March 31, 2012, 12:27:47 am
Don´t see it, he looks like a toad. And if she was, it woudn´t disappoint me, but Zac looks so evil. Charles is a douche, but I don´t feel uncomfortable seeing him like when I see Zac.

(http://i.imgur.com/8Ftsj.jpg)

Lady Sarahs daughter Emily McCorquodale and William



Title: Re: Zac Goldsmith
Post by: Mooster on March 31, 2012, 12:36:50 am
^ Any resemblence that you see in the above may come about through Frances - high cheek bones and nose shape.  IMO Emily has not got the Spencer look, neither has Diana.  Nothing anyone has posted has convinced me that Diana is not James Goldsmith's daughter.  She has the look and mannerisms of the Goldsmiths, particulary Zac.  Nothing but a DNA test would convince me otherwise, and the likelihood of that happening is very slim.  Until then, based on what I've seen and read, Diana is in all probability a Goldsmith.

Emily looks a lot like her Pa, Neil McCorquodale:

http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/54/1980517ns6da.jpg/img


Title: Re: Zac Goldsmith
Post by: Dahlia on March 31, 2012, 11:20:11 pm
Could you tell something about James?  :thankyou:


Title: Re: Zac Goldsmith
Post by: Mooster on March 31, 2012, 11:38:01 pm
^ Sure  :thumbsup:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/James_Goldsmith

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/people/obituary-sir-james-goldsmith-1251874.html

http://sirjamesgoldsmith.com/

 :flower:

....and:

http://sirjamesgoldsmith.com/pages/home.png (look at his luminous blue eyes, similar to Diana's)

http://www.smartredirect.de/ad/clickGate.php?u=Fo6Pr2As&m=1&p=0oAj48ggLw&s=&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.independent.co.uk%2Fopinion%2Fcolumnists%2Frichard-ingrams%2Frichard-ingrams-week-we-cant-go-on-blaming-the-system-for-drug-problems-899001.html  (scroll down to approximately the last third of the article)

http://sirjamesgoldsmith.com/#thinker/3   (in this video, he has Diana's slow oratory; also the way he purses his lips after making a statement, like she did; he also has that upward look thing of Diana's - all IMO of course)

  :hi:


Title: Re: Zac Goldsmith
Post by: Dahlia on April 01, 2012, 12:38:53 am
Thanks you very much. Now off to read all links  :thumbsup:


Title: Re: Zac Goldsmith
Post by: Mooster on April 01, 2012, 04:05:00 pm
^ another good read  :tehe:  Love him or loathe him, he was an extraordinary man.

'He [James Goldsmith] is a tall man (six feet four) who walks with a slight stoop, who has a commanding presence along with a disarming diffidence, who projects great confidence but rubs a piece of amber for reassurance'

“I feel strongly about issues,” says Goldsmith. “Maybe that shows a lack of humility, but I can’t comment.” To accuse Goldsmith of having an ego “is easy,” says his brother, Teddy, with a laugh, “because he likes doing things on his own initiative. He should have been a general. He likes living in a permanent state of siege. He likes taking on things.”

'He [James Goldsmith]had his father’s charm and graciousness, along with his mother’s high emotions, irascibility, and considerable energy


This reminds of a certain Princess  :sigh:

http://www.vanityfair.com/magazine/archive/1997/05/goldsmith199705

--

Intriguingly, Sir James Goldsmith was dyslexic as is Prince Harry.


Title: Re: Zac Goldsmith
Post by: Alexandrine on April 01, 2012, 04:47:33 pm
But isn't Beatrice also dyslexic?


Title: Re: Zac Goldsmith
Post by: Mooster on April 01, 2012, 04:52:19 pm
^ Yes, I think she is.  Thanks for merging my posts - I'm just adding little snippets to the thread as I read about them   :thankyou:

Interestingly, as well as Ben and Jemima having russet hair so did Sir James oldest daughter, Isabel - so ginger runs in Sir James Goldsmith's family too.  Photo of Ben:

http://www.telegraphindia.com/1030922/asp/atleisure/story_2388614.html


Title: Re: Zac Goldsmith
Post by: Alexandrine on April 01, 2012, 05:23:44 pm
Yes, I know that the limit for modifying posts is a bit short, try to avoid double posting but don't worry about it too much.


Title: Re: Zac Goldsmith
Post by: Alexandrine on April 15, 2012, 09:33:17 pm
I cannot understand why people deal with the DM

I am ashamed of my own Chancellor's tax on giving: A devastating broadside from one of George Osborne's star backbenchers

Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/debate/article-2129838/Zac-Goldsmith-I-ashamed-George-Osbornes-tax-giving.html#ixzz1s8wQdz7w


Title: Re: Zac Goldsmith
Post by: rogue on April 15, 2012, 09:41:37 pm
Desperation ?


Title: Re: Zac Goldsmith
Post by: YooperModerator on April 15, 2012, 10:34:04 pm
I'm not sure if I understand this right :think:
He is annoyed because the tax relief the 'big gun's' get out of donations to charity is going to be less?
He fears that without this lucrative tax refund there will be less donors with big money?
And that in the end the only ones who will suffer from this decision will be the charities and the ones they wanna help cause the rich will just donate less.
Hmm he could have a point.
Yooper can you help me out here, is this gov decision a good or a bad one?
I still don't get it ???


Title: Re: Zac Goldsmith
Post by: Mooster on May 20, 2012, 09:34:22 pm
Monday, 21 May  BBC2 from 11:20pm to 12:20am


The Lost World of the Seventies

Michael Cockerell uses archive interviews he conducted combined with new footage to present the inside stories of four colourful public figures in the 1970s. Including profiles of James Goldsmith, the billionaire financier with the complex business and love life, as well as former Metropolitan Police commissioner Robert Mark, who was on a mission to root out corruption from Scotland Yard. Also featured are Lord Longford, whose anti-pornography campaign earned him the nickname `Lord Porn', and General Walter Walker, who set up a private anti-Marxist army




Title: Re: Zac Goldsmith
Post by: Yooper on May 21, 2012, 01:11:04 am
^^I have no real concept of who this guy is, but he's absolutely spot on about what a disaster this is for not only charities but the financial structure of the government.  It's extremely simple.  There is no incentive to donate and those involved in fundraising will be left with a terrible time of it. 

If you knew that if you donated $1000 to, let's say, The Prince's Trust, for example, but knew you could only deduct half of that, you'd be stupid not to donate $500 instead because you could invest that other $500 in a tax-free investment for yourself.  This is one of the most damaging things any such law can do to impact charitable giving.  It's a disaster for those in need who depend upon the uber-wealthy for the majority of their support.

Their only other option is to move their money to an off-shore account (which many already do) and declare even less to the gov't.  Either way, the government loses because these people didn't get this wealthy without knowing how to beat the system and the charities lose as well.  How stupid can you get? 



Title: Re: Zac Goldsmith
Post by: Alexandrine on May 27, 2012, 11:09:12 pm
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According to Wealth-X, the richest person in the Commons is Zac Goldsmith, whose £284 million fortune is described as an “inheritance from financier father”.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/politics/9290520/Exclusive-Cabinet-is-worth-70million.html

 :o


Title: Re: Zac Goldsmith
Post by: Mooster on May 28, 2012, 12:12:37 am
Where's Pippa?  Zac's not remarried yet  :tehe:  She picked the wrong Goldsmith brother (Ben, he's married to Kate Rothschild) to hook up with.    


Title: Re: Zac Goldsmith
Post by: Yooper on May 28, 2012, 12:22:07 am
Let me know if I am lost at sea here, but could this guy be the money stream for the Middletons?


Title: Re: Zac Goldsmith
Post by: Mooster on May 28, 2012, 12:34:20 am
^ No, no way, I really don't think so.  The Goldsmiths (Zac and Ben) are far too sharp to get seriously involved with the Middleton tramps.  What I imagined happened is that Ben porked Pippa because she is an easy lay then binned her almost straight away.  Ben and his wife were more or less laughing about his 'supposed' dalliances on Twitter - in other words, they publicly mocked her.


Title: Re: Zac Goldsmith
Post by: Yooper on May 28, 2012, 12:37:21 am
^Ok, good to know.  So, there wouldn't be any possibility of the Middletons having any tapes, pictures, etc that they could use as leverage???


Title: Re: Zac Goldsmith
Post by: Mooster on May 28, 2012, 12:41:22 am
Nope, IMO they would seriously deal with her if she tried any of that cr@p with them...they would eat her alive  :nervous:


Title: Re: Zac Goldsmith
Post by: rogue on May 28, 2012, 04:54:49 pm
They are Goldsmiths and they would never ever cheat on a Rothschild.I don't believe the rumors.


Title: Re: Zac Goldsmith
Post by: serene grace on May 28, 2012, 07:34:05 pm
The Goldsmiths and Rothschilds marry on a certain level, the Middleton sisters are not made of the proper stuff.
If anything Ben had a light flirtation with Pippa, I doubt it was more than a chat at a party.
These are very powerful families, the Middleton's wouldn't even get past their receptionist if they came calling.


Title: Re: Zac Goldsmith
Post by: Alexandrine on May 28, 2012, 07:35:58 pm
@Mooster would you mind if I change the title to "The Goldsmiths"? I think it fits the thread more.


Title: Re: Zac Goldsmith
Post by: Mooster on May 28, 2012, 09:39:01 pm
^ Fine by me  :thumbsup:  the only thing is, posters might think we mean the Goldsmith side of the Middleton family


Title: Re: Zac Goldsmith
Post by: Alexandrine on May 28, 2012, 10:51:41 pm
^^True. Any other suggestion?


Title: Re: Zac Goldsmith
Post by: Anne-Elliot on June 03, 2012, 02:18:13 pm
Not sure if this has been posted already:

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Rothschild heiress's marriage to Goldsmith scion is over... after she falls for a rapper called Jay Electronica

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/femail/article-2153789/Rothschild-heiresss-marriage-Goldsmith-scion--falls-rapper-called-Jay-Electronica.html#ixzz1wjgOHSDM




Title: Re: Zac Goldsmith
Post by: Mooster on June 03, 2012, 02:23:11 pm
 :o   OMG, where is Pippa...he's loaded, and free now???


Title: Re: Zac Goldsmith
Post by: Anne-Elliot on June 03, 2012, 03:18:11 pm
Yeah, I'm sure Piss-arse will be the first to comfort him, she's such a caring soul!

She'd have to get past Annabel Goldsmith first though!!    :catfight:


Title: Re: Zac Goldsmith
Post by: benign on June 03, 2012, 06:56:25 pm
:o   OMG, where is Pippa...he's loaded, and free now???
yup but Pippa expects marriage, not happening...

very young when they got married...best of luck to them though...


Title: Rothschild & Goldsmith Divorce
Post by: D.I.R. on June 03, 2012, 09:20:54 pm
Jay Electronica At The Center Of A Divorce In The UK
http://hiphopwired.com/2012/06/03/jay-electronica-at-the-center-of-a-divorce-in-the-uk/


Title: Re: Rothschild & Goldsmith Divorce
Post by: Mooster on June 03, 2012, 09:22:41 pm
....errr, why is this in the 'various Royal Families' section of the board?


Title: Re: Rothschild & Goldsmith Divorce
Post by: YooperModerator on June 04, 2012, 12:05:18 am
 ??? :dontknow:


Title: Re: Rothschild & Goldsmith Divorce
Post by: serene grace on June 04, 2012, 12:42:55 am
That's the Goldsmith that was rumoured to be "good friends" with Pippa.


Title: Re: Rothschild & Goldsmith Divorce
Post by: YooperModerator on June 04, 2012, 12:50:15 am
Riiight I see..
Are they related on ma midd's side or is he one of 'Diana's goldsmiths' (you know what I mean right?)
That same name thing is kinda confusing ya know


Title: Re: Rothschild & Goldsmith Divorce
Post by: serene grace on June 04, 2012, 12:54:35 am
Pippa was rumour to be having an AFFAIR with this Goldsmith. These are the illustrious WEALTHY, WELL CONNECTED OLD MONEYED Goldsmiths, no relation to the cave dweller's Carole came from. Carole would LOVE IT, if Pippa could pull this guy.

Evidently he caught his wife in an affiar and now they are divorcing. A lot of climber's and goldigger's in the UK will be eyeing him, for sure, but I think he likes to marry's old money , old illustrious family women, himself.


Title: Re: Rothschild & Goldsmith Divorce
Post by: berlin on June 04, 2012, 01:47:42 am
Oh boy.  More hope for Pippa.  Perhaps she go for the pregnancy, quicky divorce route.

P.S. Perhaps this should be moved to another thread?


Title: Re: Rothschild & Goldsmith Divorce
Post by: Mooster on June 04, 2012, 01:57:14 am
Akasha or Alexandrine...stick the contents of this thread onto the Zac Goldsmith thread (on the Diana forum).  Another suggestion could be to change the name of the Zac Goldsmith thread to The Goldsmiths (Zac, Ben etc strictly no relation to Carole Middleton nee Goldsmith)


Title: Re: Rothschild & Goldsmith Divorce
Post by: berlin on June 04, 2012, 02:00:47 am
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‘They had a trial separation earlier this year. They both went off and did their own things. I think Ben saw a couple of girls, but there was nothing serious. Kate convinced Ben to give it another go, which he did.

Oh Pippa will totally be knocking on Ben's door again. 


Title: Re: Zac Goldsmith
Post by: Mooster on June 04, 2012, 02:00:48 am
@Mooster would you mind if I change the title to "The Goldsmiths"? I think it fits the thread more.

Alexandrine or Akasha (whichever mod is online) how about changing the name of the thread to The Goldsmiths (Zac, Ben etc strictly no relation to Carole Middleton nee Goldsmith)


Title: Re: Rothschild & Goldsmith Divorce
Post by: Kuei Fei on June 04, 2012, 02:44:22 am
If Pippa messes around with this man, people will put two and two together and this will end up having serious repercussions. The Rothschilds are practically royalty and are so international it's unreal. Pippa would be an idiot to mess with Goldsmith and if she was porking a married man, then it would certainly end up causing repercussions against the RF. I wish the Middletons would stop messing with powerful families and to be frank, the Windsors are nothing compared to the Rothschilds. If Pippa thinks that a marriage to him would be a peacful one, she is stark raving mad.


Title: Re: Zac Goldsmith
Post by: berlin on June 04, 2012, 03:14:01 am
Or Goldsmith-Rothschild


Title: Re: Rothschild & Goldsmith Divorce
Post by: D.I.R. on June 04, 2012, 03:15:32 am
^ Yup KF that's some real royalty also one of most powerful people/families in the world that is publicly known... for people who know what & or who knows the correct info with what families are the real deal powerful "royals", not the seat warmer monarchies that are there right now. So yes Roth's are royalty & so are the Gold's. so worries Akash & Alex I put it in the right place.


Title: Re: Rothschild & Goldsmith Divorce
Post by: YooperModerator on June 04, 2012, 04:32:10 am
hmm I'll move this to Diana's board then ok gal's
I'll make a big sticky 'goldsmith' topic from this and the other one 'kay?


Title: Re: Rothschild & Goldsmith Divorce
Post by: Mooster on June 04, 2012, 04:55:25 am
^ Yup KF that's some real royalty also one of most powerful people/families in the world that is publicly known... for people who know what & or who knows the correct info with what families are the real deal powerful "royals", not the seat warmer monarchies that are there right now. So yes Roth's are royalty & so are the Gold's. so worries Akash & Alex I put it in the right place.

 :thumbsup:  The Goldsmiths and Rothschilds are certain fascinating...I'll admit, they intrigue and mesmerize me.


Title: Re: Rothschild & Goldsmith Divorce
Post by: Kuei Fei on June 04, 2012, 04:10:47 pm
Pippa was rumour to be having an AFFAIR with this Goldsmith. These are the illustrious WEALTHY, WELL CONNECTED OLD MONEYED Goldsmiths, no relation to the cave dweller's Carole came from. Carole would LOVE IT, if Pippa could pull this guy.

Evidently he caught his wife in an affiar and now they are divorcing. A lot of climber's and goldigger's in the UK will be eyeing him, for sure, but I think he likes to marry's old money , old illustrious family women, himself.

He'll go after someone with status, he won't let just ANYONE into his life and raise his daughters. His entire family would FREAK if his daughters were to be raised by Pippa and at the same time, I think people are naive to think that there won't be ladies from prominent families who will pretty much be interested in considering it's his wife having the affair, I am sure that he will need 'comforting' and that women will be more than happy to provide it.


Title: Re: The 'oldmoney' Goldsmiths
Post by: Alexandrine on June 04, 2012, 06:35:03 pm
sorry Mooster I wasn't online until now  :sorry:


Title: Re: Rothschild & Goldsmith Divorce
Post by: serene grace on June 04, 2012, 07:37:45 pm
Pippa was rumour to be having an AFFAIR with this Goldsmith. These are the illustrious WEALTHY, WELL CONNECTED OLD MONEYED Goldsmiths, no relation to the cave dweller's Carole came from. Carole would LOVE IT, if Pippa could pull this guy.

Evidently he caught his wife in an affiar and now they are divorcing. A lot of climber's and goldigger's in the UK will be eyeing him, for sure, but I think he likes to marry's old money , old illustrious family women, himself.

He'll go after someone with status, he won't let just ANYONE into his life and raise his daughters. His entire family would FREAK if his daughters were to be raised by Pippa and at the same time, I think people are naive to think that there won't be ladies from prominent families who will pretty much be interested in considering it's his wife having the affair, I am sure that he will need 'comforting' and that women will be more than happy to provide it.


I agree both of these families usually only marry within a certain circle of other old-money-connected and/or titled families.
Rumours were last winter Pippa may have had a fling with him, but it was denied by him on Twitter and both he and his wife joked about it....but I wondered then if there was more to it. I don't believe for a second that Goldsmith ever took Pippa seriously, she was "perhaps" nothing more than a light flirtation to tell his pals about, but I do believe that Carole and Pippa would put their heads together to figure out a way "in" to his life if they at all thought it possible. Problem for Pippa is the Middleton's family offspring is not what either of these two powerful families look for in wives. She could flirt with him until the cows come home, I don't see her as a viable choice for him. She may have been a fun flirtation a few months ago, but it would never go past that. IMO
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In 2003 the couple celebrated their engagement at Annabel’s in Mayfair, the club named after Ben’s mother, and were married that September. Ben was 23 and Kate 21.
They followed a family tradition  of marrying young. Ben’s father eloped with his first wife, Bolivian tin heiress Isabel Patino, when  he was 21, and Ben’s older sister  Jemima surprised society when she married Pakistan cricketer Imran Khan at the same age.
Kate’s father was 25 when he  married her mother, heiress Anita Guinness, who was 23.

The Rothschild and Goldsmith families, blood relations who can trace their heritage to the Jewish ghettos of 18th Century Frankfurt, are powerful and influential in the worlds of finance and politics.
Sir Jimmy amassed his £1.2 billion fortune through pharmaceutical and banking interests.
Through his marriage to Lady Annabel, a close friend of the Prince of Wales, he was also Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/femail/article-2153789/Rothschild-heiresss-marriage-Goldsmith-scion--falls-rapper-called-Jay-Electronica.html#ixzz1wqnugKSw


Title: Re: The 'oldmoney' Goldsmiths
Post by: Alexandrine on June 04, 2012, 07:39:47 pm
I think they had had a crisis before with the wife having another affair or am I inventing this?  ???


Title: Re: The 'oldmoney' Goldsmiths
Post by: serene grace on June 04, 2012, 07:55:04 pm
 :thumbsup: There has been rumours of his wife having an affair with a friend of his.  

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  :judge:  The marriage took a knock two years ago when Kate became close to a friend of Ben’s, but the couple agreed to try to make things work.

Last summer they were reported to have suffered another rocky patch over Kate’s busy work schedule. Mr Goldsmith put the family home on the market in April.

The couple claimed they needed  to downsize, but the truth was that the problems in their relationship were becoming more evident.

ead more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/femail/article-2153789/Rothschild-heiresss-marriage-Goldsmith-scion--falls-rapper-called-Jay-Electronica.html#ixzz1wqtbSLUP


Title: Re: The 'oldmoney' Goldsmiths
Post by: Alexandrine on June 04, 2012, 07:55:49 pm
 :thankyou:


Title: Re: The 'oldmoney' Goldsmiths
Post by: Acornia on June 05, 2012, 02:11:00 am
With the Goldsmiths' track record with affairs and marriage I was really surprised that it was Kate who had the affair this time.

Now that he's single, I don't think he'd look in Pippa's direction. His mother strikes me as a snob and would probably look down on Pippa's bloodline. I don't think she the type who would fawn over her now that her sister married into the RF (btw the Goldsmiths weren't invited in the wedding)


Title: Re: The 'oldmoney' Goldsmiths
Post by: serene grace on June 05, 2012, 04:04:33 am
Not sure what went on between them but Camilla  supposedly made sure Annabelle G. did NOT make the list.


Title: Re: The 'oldmoney' Goldsmiths
Post by: rogue on June 05, 2012, 11:20:33 am
Annabelle was in Diana's corner.


Title: Re: The 'oldmoney' Goldsmiths
Post by: Acornia on June 05, 2012, 01:19:14 pm
If I recall correctly they weren't invited rogue and Jemima Khan took it out on Twitter  :tehe: Allegedly it was because of their friendship with Diana. And like sg said something happened between Annabel and Camilla.


Title: Re: The 'oldmoney' Goldsmiths
Post by: serene grace on June 05, 2012, 05:37:44 pm
Jemima got in trouble the day after the engagement was announced by saying on twitter "Those AREN'T childbearing hips." I don't think she meant it as an insult, she just meant Kate was thin, like herself, but it came out all wrong. The press said it was an insult and maybe it was in a sly way, either way Jemima was not invited.

Camilla was jealous of Annabel's still closeness to Pr.Charles he confided in her about things still and it was driving Camilla crazy, so she saw this as an opportunity to work her magic and get her cut out of the wedding, it had nothing to do with Diana, but EVERYTHING to do with Annabels closeness to Charles. Camilla was thought to be jealous of Charle's need to confide in Lady Annabel from time to time.


Title: Re: Rothschild & Goldsmith Divorce
Post by: June on June 05, 2012, 05:55:57 pm
Pippa was rumour to be having an AFFAIR with this Goldsmith. These are the illustrious WEALTHY, WELL CONNECTED OLD MONEYED Goldsmiths, no relation to the cave dweller's Carole came from. Carole would LOVE IT, if Pippa could pull this guy.

Evidently he caught his wife in an affiar and now they are divorcing. A lot of climber's and goldigger's in the UK will be eyeing him, for sure, but I think he likes to marry's old money , old illustrious family women, himself.

 :tehe:   :laugh:  :tehe: Cave dwellers!!! I really need to be in bed, so sleep deprived over this Jubilee, but the laughs are worth it.  :laugh:


Title: Re: The 'oldmoney' Goldsmiths
Post by: serene grace on June 05, 2012, 06:56:38 pm
Cave dwellers was the first thing I thought of seeing Carole and her family on the flotilla, poking their heads out.  :Middleton:


Title: Re: The 'oldmoney' Goldsmiths
Post by: berlin on June 06, 2012, 12:47:17 am
serene grace are annabel and charles still close?


Title: Re: The 'oldmoney' Goldsmiths
Post by: serene grace on June 06, 2012, 01:11:21 am
There were rumours around the engagement(PW and Kate's) that Camilla was trying to vanquish Annabelle out of his life, but she's too entrenched in Prince Charles world to get rid of her completely.

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DAILY MAIL:

...many of Lady Annabel’s friends suspect, she was excluded from the biggest royal event for decades on the instructions of her one-time friend, the Duchess of Cornwall,

Once good friends, the Royal Wedding has opened up a split between Lady Annabel Goldsmith (left) and Camilla, Duchess of Cornwall
‘Annabel is a formidable woman and this whole sorry business could open up a rift between two families,’ says one of her oldest friends.

She is very well connected and, crucially, popular. Camilla, beyond her own immediate circle, is not.’No one can truly say what happened when the guest list was being drawn up. What is certain is that Lady Annabel, the 75-year-old widow of the billionaire tycoon Sir James  Goldsmith, had every reason to expect to be invited. Friends go further: They say she knew she would receive an invitation.


Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1382583/ROYAL-WEDDING-Will-Lady-Annabel-Goldsmith-revenge-snub-Camilla.html#ixzz1wxzsDSUI
This article as
If I recall correctly they weren't invited rogue and Jemima Khan took it out on Twitter  :tehe: Allegedly it was because of their friendship with Diana. And like sg said something happened between Annabel and Camilla.

As Acornia says, part of the reason may have been Annabel's closeness to Diana, but I also read that Annabelle was to close Pr.Charles and Camilla hated it.
The thing no one can understand is that Lady Annabelle gave Camilla's sister a birthday party where Diana famously confronted Camilla, asking her "Are you seeing my husband."
Lady Annabelle was on the inside of the Charles-Camilla affair, she knew Camilla and Charles YEARS before Diana came along, even though also a friend to Diana.


AND there's more....

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A source close to the family said: ‘There is no better networker or hostess than Annabel but if you cross her, there is no turning back. Now all Annabel’s friends are backing her, which could mean problems for Camilla.
‘She could find a lot of doors closing. Gael Boglione, who owns Petersham Nurseries in Richmond, donated £30,000 to the Prince’s Trust coffers. Now it is believed she has sided with Annabel. So has Jacob Rothschild.’
Mr Rothschild’s niece Kate is married to Lady Annabel’s son, Ben. The source said: ‘Jacob Rothschild’s hospitality to Camilla is legendary. He gives her and her sister the run of his estate


Kate-Jemima: 
She was forced to withdraw the remarks following a storm of criticism. She initially tweeted: ‘Kate Middleton – those are not heir-bearing hips are they? Unfeasibly narrow.’
The 37-year-old later backtracked and said: ‘I wasn’t being unkind .  .  . Wouldn’t every girl like to have unfeasibly narrow hips? Who wants to be described as having child-bearing ones?


Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1382344/ROYAL-WEDDING-Those-heir-bearing-hips-Camilla-faces-feud-Lady-Annabel-Jemima-s-wedding-Tweets.html#ixzz1wy4SU1kI


Title: Re: The 'oldmoney' Goldsmiths
Post by: June on June 06, 2012, 05:15:08 am
Cave dwellers was the first thing I thought of seeing Carole and her family on the flotilla, poking their heads out.  :Middleton:

That's a brilliant description, SG!  :tehe: That's exactly what I think of now when I picture them in my mind's eye on that boat or whatever it's called.  :laugh: Peeping through, checking out all the action ...


Title: Re: The 'oldmoney' Goldsmiths
Post by: Mooster on June 06, 2012, 12:24:56 pm
If I recall correctly they weren't invited rogue and Jemima Khan took it out on Twitter  :tehe: Allegedly it was because of their friendship with Diana. And like sg said something happened between Annabel and Camilla.

I thought William (and Kate) was told by the Queen to tear up the original guest list and start again, inviting those he wanted.  I find it quite disgusting that he left out his Aunt Jemima etc because they were such dear, close friends of his mother.  William made such a big thing about wanting to include his mother in the ceremony but I think she would have been hurt at him excluding her dear friends and Camilla signing the register.


Title: Re: The 'oldmoney' Goldsmiths
Post by: Alexandrine on June 06, 2012, 05:36:49 pm
Diana at the wedding was like Rebecca no one wanted to talk about her but she was still the more important presence.


Title: Re: The 'oldmoney' Goldsmiths
Post by: serene grace on June 06, 2012, 05:44:26 pm
If I recall correctly they weren't invited rogue and Jemima Khan took it out on Twitter  :tehe: Allegedly it was because of their friendship with Diana. And like sg said something happened between Annabel and Camilla.

I thought William (and Kate) was told by the Queen to tear up the original guest list and start again, inviting those he wanted.  I find it quite disgusting that he left out his Aunt Jemima etc because they were such dear, close friends of his mother.  William made such a big thing about wanting to include his mother in the ceremony but I think she would have been hurt at him excluding her dear friends and Camilla signing the register.

I was appalled when I heard the story of PW tearing up the guest list. I believe the Queen simply takes the road of less headaches with Pr.William and let's him have his way on issues. He's very stubborn about having his way.
It was awful that he left out many people who should have been invited. He does not see that many of the people he keeps "insulting" by putting his own desires first, were around his family for generations and are dear cherished friends to his Grandmother, mother and father .


Title: Re: The 'oldmoney' Goldsmiths
Post by: Anne-Elliot on June 07, 2012, 11:52:26 am
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Ben Goldsmith brands wife Kate "appalling"

Ben Goldsmith, the son of billionaire financier Sir James Goldsmith, yesterday branded his estranged wife’s decision to call the police to the family home “appalling” as he prepared for a lengthy divorce battle with the Rothschild heiress.

Oh dear, this is going to be one nasty divorce.  Those poor kids.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/crime/9315074/Ben-Goldsmith-brands-wife-Kate-appalling.html


Title: Re: The 'oldmoney' Goldsmiths
Post by: rogue on June 07, 2012, 02:33:43 pm
I don't see the point of playing this out in public.Tacky  :thumbsdown:


Title: Re: The 'oldmoney' Goldsmiths
Post by: Mooster on June 07, 2012, 03:25:16 pm
^ another trait the Goldsmith's have in common with Diana  :June:


Title: Re: The 'oldmoney' Goldsmiths
Post by: serene grace on June 07, 2012, 06:19:13 pm
 :laugh: That's funny mooster.

Yes this is going to be a messy, public divorce. It's not just making British press but also the HIPHop and Music press, because the man Kate is having affair with is in the music industry.


Title: Re: The 'oldmoney' Goldsmiths
Post by: Alexandrine on June 07, 2012, 09:18:49 pm
Pictured: Unsuspecting multi-millionaire Ben Goldsmith smiles alongside the US rapper who 'had an affair with his Rothschild heiress wife'

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2154255/Devastated-Ben-Goldsmith-blasts-wife-Twitter-affair-rapper-ended-marriage-Rothschild-heiress.html


Title: Re: The 'oldmoney' Goldsmiths
Post by: Kuei Fei on June 07, 2012, 09:40:48 pm
If I recall correctly they weren't invited rogue and Jemima Khan took it out on Twitter  :tehe: Allegedly it was because of their friendship with Diana. And like sg said something happened between Annabel and Camilla.

I thought William (and Kate) was told by the Queen to tear up the original guest list and start again, inviting those he wanted.  I find it quite disgusting that he left out his Aunt Jemima etc because they were such dear, close friends of his mother.  William made such a big thing about wanting to include his mother in the ceremony but I think she would have been hurt at him excluding her dear friends and Camilla signing the register.

I was appalled when I heard the story of PW tearing up the guest list. I believe the Queen simply takes the road of less headaches with Pr.William and let's him have his way on issues. He's very stubborn about having his way.

Well, maybe HM wasn't that invested in making sure the wedding was something to remember anyway; I think that if HM had been more in charge there wouldn't have been any of those hideous trees there and dignitaries would have bene there, the ones that should have been invited as a gesture.

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Ben Goldsmith brands wife Kate "appalling"

Ben Goldsmith, the son of billionaire financier Sir James Goldsmith, yesterday branded his estranged wife’s decision to call the police to the family home “appalling” as he prepared for a lengthy divorce battle with the Rothschild heiress.

Oh dear, this is going to be one nasty divorce.  Those poor kids.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/crime/9315074/Ben-Goldsmith-brands-wife-Kate-appalling.html

I'm sure the kids will be sheltered from a lot of it, but there's nothing like an aristocratic/royal divorce to end up amusing the people and enriching the press.


Title: Re: The 'oldmoney' Goldsmiths
Post by: berlin on June 07, 2012, 09:53:34 pm
If I recall correctly they weren't invited rogue and Jemima Khan took it out on Twitter  :tehe: Allegedly it was because of their friendship with Diana. And like sg said something happened between Annabel and Camilla.

I thought William (and Kate) was told by the Queen to tear up the original guest list and start again, inviting those he wanted.  I find it quite disgusting that he left out his Aunt Jemima etc because they were such dear, close friends of his mother.  William made such a big thing about wanting to include his mother in the ceremony but I think she would have been hurt at him excluding her dear friends and Camilla signing the register.

Ah, no worries.  He'll get it right the second time around.

I was appalled when I heard the story of PW tearing up the guest list. I believe the Queen simply takes the road of less headaches with Pr.William and let's him have his way on issues. He's very stubborn about having his way.
It was awful that he left out many people who should have been invited. He does not see that many of the people he keeps "insulting" by putting his own desires first, were around his family for generations and are dear cherished friends to his Grandmother, mother and father .


Title: Re: The 'oldmoney' Goldsmiths
Post by: Leila on June 09, 2012, 09:44:45 am
Marjorie Orr's prediction http://royalgossip.forumprofi.de/index.php/topic,3818.msg115981.html#msg115981  :flower:


Title: Re: The 'oldmoney' Goldsmiths
Post by: Mooster on June 09, 2012, 09:50:11 am
http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2012/06/07/article-2155640-137EAA85000005DC-876_634x330.jpg

For those of you that don't think ginger hair runs in the Goldsmith family, only the Spencer, look at the above photo of Ben Goldsmith's son.  He has ginger hair just like Harry.


Title: Re: The 'oldmoney' Goldsmiths
Post by: rogue on June 09, 2012, 04:55:36 pm
The Rothschilds and the Goldsmiths always seem to be some sort of allies but with a G&R divorcing i wonder if this will put a strain on their familyfriendship.


Title: Re: The 'oldmoney' Goldsmiths
Post by: tequiero on June 09, 2012, 06:29:55 pm
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2156691/Feuding-Goldsmiths-finally-end-bitter-Twitter-war-Rothschild-heiress-rapper-lover-posts-photo-Twitter.html

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The Goldsmiths finally called a Twitter truce yesterday to their increasingly bitter marital row.

After a week spent publicly trading insults on the  social networking site, multi-millionaire Ben Goldsmith and his wife Kate decided their ugly break-up should become private.

However, their apparent  truce was immediately put to the test, after it emerged that the Rothschild heiress's alleged lover, US rapper Jay Electronica, posted a photo of her on his Twitter page.



Title: Re: The 'oldmoney' Goldsmiths
Post by: Acornia on June 10, 2012, 10:54:17 am
^
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In response to a Twitter user who wrote: 'Imagine if you'd been cheated on', she replied: 'I have, several times.' By yesterday morning all the messages had been deleted.

 :- But we have no way of knowing if she was cheated on by her ex-bfs or Ben.

--

This modern compulsion to let it all hang out makes my flesh crawl

Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/femail/article-2156636/JANET-STREET-PORTER-This-modern-compulsion-let-hang-makes-flesh-crawl.html#ixzz1xNmgeqhB

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Jemima Khan ‏@Jemima_Khan
Janet St P- "I don't discuss intimate personal details with anyone" (except when I'm paid by the Daily Mail)

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sarah standing ‏@skstanding
@Jemima_Khan Oh that article made me SO angry. What bullshit.

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Kate Rothschild ‏@KateRoundtable
@skstanding me too- & re. her condemnation of 'taking' to twitter to air grievances as i did- she publishes her views & opinions ad nauseam

 :tehe:


Title: Re: The 'oldmoney' Goldsmiths
Post by: Alexandrine on June 12, 2012, 10:42:51 pm
Who is Janet?

Ok this is getting very messy...


Title: Re: The 'oldmoney' Goldsmiths
Post by: Mooster on June 12, 2012, 11:17:45 pm
^  Janet Street-Porter

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Janet_Street-Porter


Title: Re: The 'oldmoney' Goldsmiths
Post by: Alexandrine on June 12, 2012, 11:20:58 pm
Thank you.


Title: Re: The 'oldmoney' Goldsmiths
Post by: Anne-Elliot on June 22, 2012, 10:41:42 pm
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Jay Electronica: I'll 'come see' you, threatens Ben Goldsmith’s rap star love rival

The American rapper blamed for the breakdown of Ben Goldsmith’s marriage to a Rothschild heiress has made an extraordinary online attack on him.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/celebritynews/9350262/Jay-Electronica-Ill-come-see-you-threatens-Ben-Goldsmiths-rap-star-love-rival.html

Oh, put a sock in it people - there are children involved who will read/hear all about this.


Title: Re: The 'oldmoney' Goldsmiths
Post by: serene grace on June 23, 2012, 06:15:22 am
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2163350/Bitter-Twitter-war-Ben-Goldsmith-wifes-rapper-lover-breaks-Jay-Electronica-tells-multi-millionaire-stop-acting-like-b--h.html


Title: Re: The 'oldmoney' Goldsmiths
Post by: Mooster on June 30, 2012, 09:17:54 pm
deleted   :flower:


Title: Re: The 'oldmoney' Goldsmiths
Post by: serene grace on August 04, 2012, 01:36:38 am
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Kate Goldsmith blames split from husband on young age at which they married

Kate Goldsmith's "connection" with rapper Jay Electronica was not the reason why her marriage to husband Ben ended, she has insisted.

By Rosa Silverman
6:41PM BST 03 Aug 2012
The high-society marriage of Kate and Ben Goldsmith ended because they wedded so young, the heiress has revealed.

The couple were just “children” when they got together, she said, and when she met her new beau, Jay Electronica, they instantly connected.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/active/9450620/Kate-Goldsmith-blames-split-from-husband-on-young-age-at-which-they-married.html


Title: Re: The 'oldmoney' Goldsmiths
Post by: Albany on August 04, 2012, 06:25:51 pm
^
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In response to a Twitter user who wrote: 'Imagine if you'd been cheated on', she replied: 'I have, several times.' By yesterday morning all the messages had been deleted.

 :- But we have no way of knowing if she was cheated on by her ex-bfs or Ben.

--

This modern compulsion to let it all hang out makes my flesh crawl

Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/femail/article-2156636/JANET-STREET-PORTER-This-modern-compulsion-let-hang-makes-flesh-crawl.html#ixzz1xNmgeqhB

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Jemima Khan ‏@Jemima_Khan
Janet St P- "I don't discuss intimate personal details with anyone" (except when I'm paid by the Daily Mail)

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sarah standing ‏@skstanding
@Jemima_Khan Oh that article made me SO angry. What bullshit.

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Kate Rothschild ‏@KateRoundtable
@skstanding me too- & re. her condemnation of 'taking' to twitter to air grievances as i did- she publishes her views & opinions ad nauseam

 :tehe:

I agree wholeheartedly. It's tacky and smacks of over-inflated egos. Why do these people think any of us give a flying flip what's going on in their lives.......(she says as she enthusiastically laps up every last word of it.... :cookie:)


Title: Re: The 'oldmoney' Goldsmiths
Post by: benign on August 04, 2012, 06:55:57 pm
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Kate Goldsmith blames split from husband on young age at which they married
Kate Goldsmith's "connection" with rapper Jay Electronica was not the reason why her marriage to husband Ben ended, she has insisted.
By Rosa Silverman
6:41PM BST 03 Aug 2012
The high-society marriage of Kate and Ben Goldsmith ended because they wedded so young, the heiress has revealed.
The couple were just “children” when they got together, she said, and when she met her new beau, Jay Electronica, they instantly connected.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/active/9450620/Kate-Goldsmith-blames-split-from-husband-on-young-age-at-which-they-married.html
- finally she said something that makes sense that they both were very young...good luck to them and hope they find what they are looking for...


Title: Re: The 'oldmoney' Goldsmiths
Post by: Mooster on August 25, 2012, 02:31:49 pm
Have you ever wondered where Diana and William get that little triangle/V-shaped smile that they sometimes have in pics?  Trying to see who either of them inherited it from  :dontknow:



Title: Re: The 'oldmoney' Goldsmiths
Post by: Mooster on August 25, 2012, 03:32:47 pm
I think Diana and William have a very similar smile to this lady:

(https://lh5.googleusercontent.com/-HPxHxCCguAs/UDjbfvZWuFI/AAAAAAAAAf0/LZ5NVe4AfHg/s214/william%2520like%2520james%2520mum1.jpg)  (https://lh6.googleusercontent.com/-INebBLAvoUk/UDjPwN0tizI/AAAAAAAAAeY/Jzz35aq5_3w/s214/jamesgoldsmith%2520young.jpg)  (https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-vitGyIXhOzs/UDjRPdYd_TI/AAAAAAAAAfI/sv4wFm63-3c/s214/diana%2520like%2520james%2520mum.jpg)


Title: Re: The 'oldmoney' Goldsmiths
Post by: Jane23 on August 27, 2012, 08:22:31 pm
Oh my...those Mega Rich Titled men never fathered their own children they left the "job" to other men...

(http://media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m5xecrlDvV1qf0g25.gif)


Title: Re: The 'oldmoney' Goldsmiths
Post by: Mooster on September 04, 2012, 03:07:54 pm

Below are Zac Goldsmith's comments on his father, Sir James Goldsmith, IMO could also be applied to Princess Diana - just swap the pronoun 'he' for 'she' and 'man' for 'woman':

'...He was the most interesting man I have ever come across, by far. He was magnificent. He inspired huge loyalty, as well as fear in some people. When it came to his politics, people were frightened by him because he was outlandish. He was bigger than life, and for some that was unsettling. I think there were people who imagined him becoming a dictator figure.'

Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/home/moslive/article-1210961/David-Camerons-300m-signing-Can-Zac-Goldsmith-turn-Tories-green.html#ixzz25VeWme30


Title: Re: The 'oldmoney' Goldsmiths
Post by: Jane23 on September 04, 2012, 08:02:34 pm
^ Seems like a typical son talking about his father to me  :dontknow:.


Title: Re: The 'oldmoney' Goldsmiths
Post by: Mooster on September 04, 2012, 08:08:41 pm
^ Yes, but Sir James character sounds very much like Diana's - that was the point I was trying to make.


Title: Re: The 'oldmoney' Goldsmiths
Post by: Freya on September 05, 2012, 03:06:40 pm

Below are Zac Goldsmith's comments on his father, Sir James Goldsmith, IMO could also be applied to Princess Diana - just swap the pronoun 'he' for 'she' and 'man' for 'woman':

'...He was the most interesting man I have ever come across, by far. He was magnificent. He inspired huge loyalty, as well as fear in some people. When it came to his politics, people were frightened by him because he was outlandish. He was bigger than life, and for some that was unsettling. I think there were people who imagined him becoming a dictator figure.'

Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/home/moslive/article-1210961/David-Camerons-300m-signing-Can-Zac-Goldsmith-turn-Tories-green.html#ixzz25VeWme30

Mooster,

I find this idea that Diana may be James Goldsmith's daughter fascinating. She certainly looks like the Goldsmith children.

Diana had a charm which was unlike any of the RF or her own family. I often feel that when the RF are involved in charity that they attend these events as if they are doing the charity a big favour. Diana was genuinely altruistic and she does seem to have shared a number of personal traits with James and Zak.

Has anything been written about the actual affair with Frances and James?  This would have happened before his affair and marriage to Annabelle.

Diana was very friendly with the Goldsmiths and visited Annabelle with William and Harry. From memory I remember Annabelle having a spat with Camilla. I will really have to read up on this. 


Title: Re: The 'oldmoney' Goldsmiths
Post by: True Brit on September 05, 2012, 03:13:48 pm
I am sure it was Tina Brown in the Diana Chronicles who raised the issue of the affair between Frances and Jimmy Goldsmith.

I have a copy of it and I'll see what it says.

I too think the likenesses and the closeness of Diana and the Goldsmiths is just remarkable not just in looks but in personalities.


Title: Re: The 'oldmoney' Goldsmiths
Post by: Mooster on September 05, 2012, 03:35:48 pm
The similarity in looks is just too coincidental, she is like the whole Goldsmith family to look at.  Look at my signature pics...Diana is a dead ringer for Sir James throughout various stages in their lives...even the pic when they were children.  Diana looked like Zac in drag...he has the most beautiful cornflower blue eyes (as had Jimmy), his lips are the same shape and he even purses them in the same way as Diana did when she grinned, he has the shy Di look where he tilts his head and looks upwards...Diana and William even have the same inverted triangle-shaped smile as Sir James mother had (look at my post a few posts up).

Then there is the maverick, stubborn, dynamic, charismatic, bold character of both Diana and James...I find this fascinating, I find unusual, and some say flawed, people fascinating.  The quote about James, by Zac, is fascinating - just before Diana died, she was becoming powerful in her own right and had the potential to shape things politically on an international scale...the establishment were scared and angry; in other words: 'He (She) was bigger than life, and for some that was unsettling. I think there were people who imagined him (her) becoming a dictator figure.'


Title: Re: The 'oldmoney' Goldsmiths
Post by: Freya on September 05, 2012, 03:36:46 pm

Does seem odd that Annabelle was not invited to the Royal Wedding and that Jemina tweeted William about Camilla signing the register. They must have felt very strongly about Camilla taking Diana's place in the ceremony.

I am surprised at how William is so acceptable of Camilla. There is no way that I would have a woman who caused my mother so much pain take a key part at my wedding. He was the one who said that he wanted to remember his mother at the wedding.

IMO William and Harry have used their acceptance of Camilla to manipulate their father.


Title: Re: The 'oldmoney' Goldsmiths
Post by: True Brit on September 05, 2012, 03:53:50 pm
Had a quick look through my copy of the book but I can't see anything but this blog from Aangirfan (who is generally reliable) raises the whole issue and it was written about by Irish journalist Declan Lynch in the Irish Indpendent newspaper. It's Lynch who says Tina Brown was convinced of the affair but not that it was included in the Diana Chronicles:

http://www.independent.ie/unsorted/features/a-murky-question-after-a-decade-of-mushy-ps-and-qsthe-mind-can-truly-be-disturbed-by-tragedy-writes-a-convinced-declan-lynch-1069975.html

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Sources have long maintained that Goldsmith was conducting an affair with Frances around the time that Diana was conceived.

Nobody denies that the affair took place, "at a time when Frances was deeply unhappy in her marriage to the Earl, who was 'drinking heavily' and 'being beastly towards her'".

Tina Brown, author of The Diana Chronicle, suggests it was a long-running affair.

In Brown's version, there is strong support for the idea of Goldsmith being the father of Lady Diana, though she can't prove it.


The usual reason for this issue being raised is the speculation of the Jewish heritage of both W&K. If you read the thread below:

http://aangirfan.blogspot.co.uk/2009/12/prince-william-is-jewish.html

There has been speculation over Carole Middleton's fmily being Jewish with the name Goldsmith and yet it can be an old English name and their family tree shows churchgoing for at least marriages for five generations. However a leading Hebrew cleric is convinced that both of CM's parents were Jewish.

I also suspect this as CM's maternal line came from the NE where many Jewish emigres arrived in the 19th century from Eastern Europe. They started to assimilate with the British very quickly and adopted their ways and names even attending church.

I looked at a family tree for "Lady Dorothy" as CM's mother was known and sure enough there were Esthers and Elizabeths in there with a surname of Temple so my own guess is they were of Jewish extract though there is no proof - but adds extra spice to the mix.


Title: Re: The 'oldmoney' Goldsmiths
Post by: Mooster on September 05, 2012, 04:08:21 pm
The 'old money Goldsmiths' were quick to defend Diana and offer her support...Zac even took to twitter recently to defend Harry's right to privacy in the media.  I think they probably know but these things are kept close to respective chests in these circles.  They would gain nothing from revealing any secrets and going against the unwritten high society code that involves illegitimacy.

The Jewish dimension certainly adds extra spice  :thumbsup:  Interestingly, it says that although Diana may have had Jewish blood, unless it comes from her mother she is not technically, nor William, Jewish.


Title: Re: The 'oldmoney' Goldsmiths
Post by: Freya on September 05, 2012, 04:27:15 pm
Thanks True Brit and Mooster for your replies. I am going to read more on this topic.

It's very interesting how they seem protective towards William and Harry. More so than "Uncle Spencer" who after his piece of rhetoric at Diana's funeral has not had much influence in the bringing up of Diana's boys.

Charles Spencer seemed more interested in opening up Althorp for the public than anything else.

I read somewhere that Diana visited Annabel quite often and took William and Harry. She seemed to spend more time with Annabel that with her own family.


Title: Re: The 'oldmoney' Goldsmiths
Post by: Mooster on September 08, 2012, 01:32:15 am
Just came across this article from The London Evening Standard; it seems Zac Goldsmith is aware of the rumours about him being Diana's brother but interestingly, although he says they are strange, he doesn't deny them:

Goldsmith is surprisingly sanguine about the coverage of his personal life: “I’d have been very upset five or six years ago about some of the things said about me but nowadays I’m pretty much immune. If you look online, there’s some very strange stuff — every conceivable Jewish conspiracy and even stories about me being [Princess] Diana’s brother … you name it.”

http://www.standard.co.uk/lifestyle/london-life/zac-goldsmith-on-camerons-judgment-over-hunt-and-seedy-coulson-and-his-runway-betrayal-7865675.html

PS like him or loathe him, Zac is such a pretty boy  :flirt:


Title: Re: The 'oldmoney' Goldsmiths
Post by: Alexandrine on September 08, 2012, 10:06:34 pm
All the Goldsmith are very handsome, Jemima is even prettier than Diana.


Title: Re: The 'oldmoney' Goldsmiths
Post by: Spice on September 08, 2012, 10:23:10 pm
It's interesting that the interviewer didn't ask him if he thought the rumours were true (or if they did, they didn't publish it).  Denying the rumours would be the only option, because in any way confirming them is tantamount to saying Diana is not a Spencer, nor are PW and PH, which onlookers like us can say till kingdom come, but no one in or near the families could.  I believe they are Goldsmiths purely because they look (exactly) like them (particularly Diana) and it was strongly  rumoured that James and Frances were having an affair around the time of Diana's conception.  It's enough for me to speculate that it's true.  I don't think we'll ever get more information than we have now, unless someone raids private records or something.


Title: Re: The 'oldmoney' Goldsmiths
Post by: Freya on September 10, 2012, 01:44:15 pm
I have been thinking about this recently especially that Zac has been in the news about Heathrow. I guess that if he does give up his seat for Boris then he will get another seat in the next election.

I remember reading about Frances Shand Kydd after Diana's death in her apartment at KP shredding letters and drinking wine. What could have been in those letter? I thought it may have been letters from Diana's lovers but would her mother be so interested in destroying them? She did not get on with Diana much. Maybe it was correspondence from the Goldsmiths and she did not want the letters to fall into the public domain.


Title: Re: The 'oldmoney' Goldsmiths
Post by: Mooster on September 10, 2012, 02:15:41 pm
^ that's an intriguing theory about Frances and the shredding of Diana's letters and I have read that she did write letters to Lady Goldsmith  :thumbsup:

If there is one thing about the Goldsmiths, it is that they are very clannish.  Sir James had eight children altogether (not including Diana) by four different women.  Lady Annabel (and Zac, Ben and Jemima) embraces all of Sir James children by the women that were in his life and encourages friendships between all of them regardless of their different mothers; for example Isabel (Sir James oldest daughter by his first wife) attended Ben's wedding; they are all on each other's facebook pages etc.  The point I'm making is that Annabel also welcomed Diana into the family fold and was a surrogate mother to her - Diana took William and Harry to her home where they mixed with her own children.  IMO, it is as close as they can go to admitting she was one of theirs - it would be breaking the aristocratic code to publically admit it (think of the consequences, they would be enormous).  Zac (and Jemima and Ben) has been a staunch defender of Harry on twitter regarding the Vegas mess and they took it very personally that they were not invited to William's wedding.

Again, I find it interesting that Zac did not clearly deny he was Diana's brother when he had the chance at the time he was being interviewed for a newspaper article - he in fact drew attention to the rumour and now people who were not aware of the rumour certainly are now.


Title: Re: The 'oldmoney' Goldsmiths
Post by: Freya on September 10, 2012, 02:41:45 pm
It will be interesting if Zak does well in politics. He may if Boris became PM. It would be really interesting if Zak became PM when Charles is King. Zak would make a very charismatic PM.

I must have read about Frances shredding those letters somewhere and I don't think that was ever in doubt but what was in the letters is pure conjecture.

I always thought that Frances was a strange woman and her two other daughters look much like her. Diana did not. Charles Spencer looked like his father.

I will watch Zak's political progress with interest. He must be quite highly thought of to have a safe seat. I wish he was my MP.


Title: Re: The 'oldmoney' Goldsmiths
Post by: True Brit on September 10, 2012, 03:06:02 pm
This is one scandalous story I too believe - that Diana was JG's daughter. It's not just the physical resemblance but a ballsy spiritedness that Diana shared with the Goldsmiths.

Is there a good book about Frances anyone can recommend? She is painted by the biographers who try and play this story down as "mouse-like", "Needy", "neurotic" - that's just a few but she seems to be anything but.

Tina Brown tells of how she told a friend she was sick of opening village fetes when she lived in Sandringham and she used to go off for weekends in London with the smart set leaving Jane and Sarah with nannies. She could be seen dining at Claridges and dancing at Les Ambassadors (then the top London nightclub) all the places that James Goldsmith went.

And anyone who followed the Lord Lucan mystery will know that James Goldsmith and his good friend Bill Shand Kydd (half brother to Peter who Frances later married) were supposedly the ones who smuggled him out of the country.

Frances was also married off at 18 to Johnnie Spencer and knowing what we know know about her mother Ruth Fermoy I suspect she never stood a chance either.

In later years she seemed to jealous of her own daughter telling some photographer that she too had lovely long legs - not the sort of comment a mouse would make but definitely a woman who had been very attractive onceand knew her physical powers had waned.


Title: Re: The 'oldmoney' Goldsmiths
Post by: Mooster on September 10, 2012, 03:47:43 pm
Yes, I agree...Frances was not the wallflower she was made out to be  :thumbsup:

I have found a photo of James Goldsmith's other son Jethro Goldsmith, but my goodness, his eyes are like Zac's (and Prince William's too)

(https://fbcdn-profile-a.akamaihd.net/hprofile-ak-snc6/273217_506339512_2073820962_n.jpg)

Also Isabel Goldsmith, James first born, she has ginger/tawny hair (like Bens and Jemimas) - which would account for Harry's too:

(https://fbcdn-profile-a.akamaihd.net/hprofile-ak-snc6/275533_100001247289835_3160996_n.jpg)

Sir James Goldsmith's granddaughter Lea Marcaccini:

(https://fbcdn-profile-a.akamaihd.net/hprofile-ak-snc7/372292_503936026_1628918852_n.jpg)


Title: Re: The 'oldmoney' Goldsmiths
Post by: Freya on September 10, 2012, 03:59:14 pm
Jethro looks like Zak and PW. Zak and PW have got exactly the same shaped chin. There must have been strong genes in the Goldsmith family.

I will be watching Zak's progress with interest. Sooner or later his path may cross with Charles as Charles is always interfering in politics.

I wonder why they were not invited to Williams wedding?


Title: Re: The 'oldmoney' Goldsmiths
Post by: rosielinks on September 10, 2012, 04:54:03 pm
I think because Lady Annabel had a spat with Camilla.


Title: Re: The 'oldmoney' Goldsmiths
Post by: Spice on September 11, 2012, 05:39:15 am
Jethro looks so much like PW, IMO.

I don't think Zak or any of them will be so bold as admitting what they know about Diana's parentage.  I agree the non denial added weight to the theory.  He tried to make it sound ridiculous but of course he would do that.

There is so much "circumstantial" evidence to lead us to this conclusion.  Also, Johnnie and Frances Spencer's marriage was terrible... I have read that he was a drinker and was physically and emotionally abusive to her.  His personality seems a lot like his son's.  Not good.


Title: Re: The 'oldmoney' Goldsmiths
Post by: Mooster on September 12, 2012, 01:12:44 pm
From The Mirror, June 2, 1997:

Referendum Party leader Sir James Goldsmith is fighting a secret battle against cancer, his pals revealed yesterday.

The 64-year-old billionaire is seriously ill  in a Paris hospital with pancreatic cancer. The disease first appeared in 1993 and has returned.

A pal said yesterday: "His family are taking stock of the situation and are helping him battle it." The tycoon only told close relatives and a few friends about his illness which forced him to make contingency plans during the general election in case he fell sick.

Diabetic Sir James collapsed after canvassing in Folkestone.

He went on to lose his deposit in Tory David Mellor's Putney seat as Labour stormed to victory.

Sir James' daughter Jemima, married to cricket ace Imran Khan is believed to have visited him in hospital on her way home to Pakistan.

Her pal Princess Diana and Prince Charles are said to have been kept informed of her father's progress.

Sir James' pal newspaper columnist Taki, who broke the news, said: "Jimmy is fighting his illness with all the fortitude and tenacity typical of him. He does not know how to spell fear or self pity."


A friend's concern, or something more?


Title: Re: The 'oldmoney' Goldsmiths
Post by: Alexandrine on September 16, 2012, 04:59:01 pm
Is hip-hop Jay Electronica about to hop it with stunning Cara Delvingne?

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/tvshowbiz/article-2203933/Kate-Goldsmith-unimpressed-Jay-Electronicas-friendship-Cara-Delvingne.html


Title: Re: The 'oldmoney' Goldsmiths
Post by: Mooster on September 21, 2012, 05:55:20 pm

Tina Brown tells of how she told a friend she was sick of opening village fetes when she lived in Sandringham and she used to go off for weekends in London with the smart set leaving Jane and Sarah with nannies. She could be seen dining at Claridges and dancing at Les Ambassadors (then the top London nightclub) all the places that James Goldsmith went.

Frances was also married off at 18 to Johnnie Spencer and knowing what we know know about her mother Ruth Fermoy I suspect she never stood a chance either.

The argument most people have against there being an affair between Frances and Goldsmith, apart from her not being his type (yeah, right  :bored: ) is that she would be breaking the aristo code by not waiting until she had produced a male heir first...well I can think of one example where it was broken e.g. Alistair Vane-Tempest-Stewart, 9th Marquess of Londonderry.  His first wife, whom he married in 1958, was Nicolette Elaine Katherine, who gave birth to two daughters in 1959 and 1961.  She gave birth to a son, James, who was once but is no longer styled Viscount Castlereagh, as Lord Londonderry later proved that James was not his biological child, but that of singer Georgie Fame. The Londonderrys divorced in 1971.  So it does happen  :sigh:

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She is painted by the biographers who try and play this story down as "mouse-like", "Needy", "neurotic" - that's just a few but she seems to be anything but......In later years she seemed to jealous of her own daughter telling some photographer that she too had lovely long legs - not the sort of comment a mouse would make but definitely a woman who had been very attractive onceand knew her physical powers had waned

Oh yes, I can think of one example where Francis could hardly bear to tear herself away from the cameras  - at her own son's wedding to Victoria Lockwood (see youtube vid link below at about 13 secs in).  Even Diana didn't stop to pose at the church entrance the way Frances did; I think she was very confident in her allure  :thumbsup:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9eaKln-mQ9Q


Title: Re: The 'oldmoney' Goldsmiths
Post by: Cressida on September 21, 2012, 06:28:34 pm
I remember that wedding - Victoria's dress was so ugly and I could never understand how she was a model, I always thought she looked rather like a monkey. Sorry I know that sounds bitchy...


Title: Re: The 'oldmoney' Goldsmiths
Post by: Alexandrine on September 21, 2012, 06:35:40 pm
I've always liked the dress, but I don't think she knew how to carry it. Harry was such a cutie!  :flirt:


Title: Re: The 'oldmoney' Goldsmiths
Post by: Mooster on September 21, 2012, 07:15:15 pm
I remember that wedding - Victoria's dress was so ugly and I could never understand how she was a model, I always thought she looked rather like a monkey. Sorry I know that sounds bitchy...

No, I think you're right...I've always thought she was very peculiar looking, I don't know how she managed to snag Charles - he wasn't too bad back in the day before he got his womanising, wife dropping rep.


Title: Re: The 'oldmoney' Goldsmiths
Post by: Cressida on September 21, 2012, 07:28:16 pm
Definately - he looks very debauched these days, heavy and pompous.


Title: Re: The 'oldmoney' Goldsmiths
Post by: berlin on September 21, 2012, 07:34:47 pm
I think Earl's new wife will manage to hang on to him.


Title: Re: The 'oldmoney' Goldsmiths
Post by: Mooster on September 22, 2012, 06:23:28 pm
http://static10.imagecollect.com/preview/560/8f4de1a124a1aab

Even Diana's sister Jane had red hair; another feature that marks her out from the Spencers, she was the only one not to have red hair....mmmm  :sly:


Title: Re: The 'oldmoney' Goldsmiths
Post by: Alexandrine on September 23, 2012, 09:56:02 pm
Goldsmiths end feud as Ben finds love again with 25-year-old PR girl after wife's relationship with US rapper

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2207264/Goldsmiths-end-feud-Ben-finds-love-25-year-old-PR-girl-wifes-relationship-US-rapper.html


Title: Re: The 'oldmoney' Goldsmiths
Post by: Mooster on September 24, 2012, 12:18:37 am
^ She is so pretty...good luck with her Ben Ben  kisss


Title: Re: The 'oldmoney' Goldsmiths
Post by: berlin on September 24, 2012, 01:02:31 am
Go girl and get those billions.


Title: Re: The 'oldmoney' Goldsmiths
Post by: Freya on September 24, 2012, 07:43:28 am
Question for Mooster please.

Was the Spencer estate set up like Downton whereby if there was no male heir it passed to another male relative? I wondered if that was why the late Earl Spencer was so obsessed with producing a son. Thanks.


Title: Re: The 'oldmoney' Goldsmiths
Post by: Freya on September 24, 2012, 01:12:41 pm
^
Just a further thought about the Spencers. I do find the theory that Diana could be a Goldsmith interesting and she certainly looks like a Goldsmith.

The one sticking point for me is that at the time when Frances allegedly had an affair with James Goldsmith an heir to Althorpe had not been produced. Why would she have had an affair at this stage? The only reason I could think of was that she was that depressed after her miscarriage that the affair with James Goldsmith offered her some comfort.

She may have felt really desperate and thought that as long as she had a male child it did not really matter whose it was.


Title: Re: The 'oldmoney' Goldsmiths
Post by: Mooster on September 24, 2012, 07:38:40 pm
Freya, I don't know about any entailment on the Spencer estate...interesting, I wonder whether there is any info to research this, I wouldn't know where to start.

Yep, I agree Diana is a dead ringer for the whole Goldsmith family - if you look at my signature pics, along the bottom row, there are pics of Diana and James Goldsmith at various ages in their lives and she looks like him completely - as a child, teen and adult.  

Also, what do you think of the pics below?  The lady in the middle is Marcelle Goldsmith, Sir James Goldsmith's French mother - I think Diana and William look like her, the expression and especially around the shape of the mouth and that V shaped smile... they have similar eyes too.

(https://lh5.googleusercontent.com/-HPxHxCCguAs/UDjbfvZWuFI/AAAAAAAAAf0/LZ5NVe4AfHg/s214/william%2520like%2520james%2520mum1.jpg)  (https://lh6.googleusercontent.com/-INebBLAvoUk/UDjPwN0tizI/AAAAAAAAAeY/Jzz35aq5_3w/s214/jamesgoldsmith%2520young.jpg)  (https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-vitGyIXhOzs/UDjRPdYd_TI/AAAAAAAAAfI/sv4wFm63-3c/s214/diana%2520like%2520james%2520mum.jpg)


Title: Re: The 'oldmoney' Goldsmiths
Post by: Alexandrine on September 24, 2012, 08:43:02 pm
Entailment was abolished by statute in 1925 so the state shouldn't be entailed. This is where I got the info from http://www.jasna.org/persuasions/printed/number11/redmond.htm#38 I would put the statute also but it's like hieroglyphics.
 


Title: Re: The 'oldmoney' Goldsmiths
Post by: Freya on September 24, 2012, 11:34:23 pm
Mooster,

Thanks for your reply. Diana and William do look Marcelle Goldsmith particularly around the mouth. Diana looks more like Marcelle than Frances.

Alexandrine,

Thanks for your comments about entailment. The Spencers would have kept the estate but there would be no Earl Spencer if there had been no male heir. I assume that the eldest girl would inherit.


Title: Re: The 'oldmoney' Goldsmiths
Post by: Acornia on September 25, 2012, 12:15:23 pm
This thread has become very interesting since the last time I checked it!

Goldsmiths end feud as Ben finds love again with 25-year-old PR girl after wife's relationship with US rapper

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2207264/Goldsmiths-end-feud-Ben-finds-love-25-year-old-PR-girl-wifes-relationship-US-rapper.html

Oh hello there, rebound girl! I think Kate is prettier.

IMO the problem with Ben and Kate's relationship is that they both married young, although I'm impressed that their marriage lasted almost 10 years. I think people should 'live a little' before settling down... I'm not surprised that Kate went for someone like Jay Electronica.

Ben and Kate look good together and the hopeless romantic in me hopes that they would get back together.  :tehe:

Who has custody of the children? We've never heard of an arrangement.


Title: Re: The 'oldmoney' Goldsmiths
Post by: Freya on September 25, 2012, 04:21:21 pm
http://www.spencerhouse.co.uk/history.shtml

How weird that the Rothchild family owns the Spencers London Property.


Title: Re: The 'oldmoney' Goldsmiths
Post by: Anne-Elliot on September 25, 2012, 06:57:45 pm
Goldsmiths end feud as Ben finds love again with 25-year-old PR girl after wife's relationship with US rapper

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2207264/Goldsmiths-end-feud-Ben-finds-love-25-year-old-PR-girl-wifes-relationship-US-rapper.html

Bet Piss-arse is not happy about that! 


Title: Re: The 'oldmoney' Goldsmiths
Post by: Alexandrine on September 25, 2012, 07:41:51 pm


Who has custody of the children? We've never heard of an arrangement.


In the article it says that she is still living with the children in the same house but as there is no divorce maybe this will change?


Title: Re: The 'oldmoney' Goldsmiths
Post by: Alexandrine on September 27, 2012, 05:27:44 pm
Ben Goldsmith steps out with his new girlfriend... as bitter feud with estranged wife Kate Rothschild draws to a close

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/tvshowbiz/article-2209187/Ben-Goldsmith-steps-new-girlfriend-bitter-feud-estranged-wife-Kate-Rothschild-ends.html


Title: Re: The 'oldmoney' Goldsmiths
Post by: Mooster on September 28, 2012, 02:57:47 pm
^ @ Alexandrine...handsome fellows, those Goldsmith men  :hot:


Mooster,

I find this idea that Diana may be James Goldsmith's daughter fascinating. She certainly looks like the Goldsmith children.

Diana had a charm which was unlike any of the RF or her own family. I often feel that when the RF are involved in charity that they attend these events as if they are doing the charity a big favour. Diana was genuinely altruistic and she does seem to have shared a number of personal traits with James and Zak.

Has anything been written about the actual affair with Frances and James?  This would have happened before his affair and marriage to Annabelle.


Interestingly, (as True Brit has already mentioned), Frances is quoted as saying: ‘I’m so bloody bored with opening village fetes’ and ‘increasingly, there were spats with Johnnie about her London jaunts.’ (The Diana Chronicles by Tina Brown, page 34).

I haven't read anything about an actual affair with Frances and James; however I am reading Lady Annabel's memoirs, and she says that she (Lady Annabel) first met him (James) in 1962 at John Aspinall's house in Lyle Street, London.  Annabel also writes that James Goldsmith lived in a suite at the Ritz while he was in London.  So it seems that Goldsmith was a part of the London scene in the early 60s, now if I could find something that places Frances in London at that time too, I would say we have plenty of circumstantial evidence to shore up the theory that Goldsmith is Diana's father.  For example, she could have dined at the Ritz or at a dinner party during a visit to London and bumped into him as she and Spencer moved in the same circles as Goldsmith, Aspinall and Shand Kydd – after all she met Shand Kydd at a dinner party in London when she was with her husband Johnnie.


...the biographers who try and play this story down as "mouse-like", "Needy", "neurotic" - that's just a few but she [Frances Spencer] seems to be anything but.

Indeed  :thumbsup:

Frances schoolfriend describes her as 'very attractive and blonde and sexy with such joie de vivre and fun about her'...'she was always a very sexy girl' (Ibid, pages 24 and 30)



Title: Re: The 'oldmoney' Goldsmiths
Post by: Freya on September 28, 2012, 04:13:02 pm
^

Have you read this book by Maxine Riddington?
 
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Maxine_Riddington


Title: Re: The 'oldmoney' Goldsmiths
Post by: Mooster on September 28, 2012, 04:22:41 pm
^ No, I haven't...but I'd certainly like to  :thumbsup:


Title: Re: The 'oldmoney' Goldsmiths
Post by: Freya on September 28, 2012, 04:39:59 pm
^

I haven't either but came across it when having a search around. Didn't Tina Brown say that Frances went to Claridges and similar when she was in London?

Found this photo of her at Diana's christening. She looks smart and attractive.

http://www.princess-diana-remembered.com/uploads/5/3/3/5/5335384/9840353.jpg?467


Title: Re: The 'oldmoney' Goldsmiths
Post by: Mooster on September 28, 2012, 05:41:32 pm
What a lovely photo of Frances...she was very pretty  :flirt:  Yes, she did go to Claridges which was often populated with bored aristocratic wives looking for the 'offer of a diverting afternoon' (The Diana Chronicles)... and I bet the likes of Jimmy Goldsmith were willing to give it to them as well  :tehe:


Title: Re: The 'oldmoney' Goldsmiths
Post by: Freya on September 28, 2012, 06:02:36 pm
^
One of the reasons given that Frances did not have an affair with James Goldsmith was that she was not his type. That photo of her at Diana's christening knocks that argument out of the water. 


Title: Re: The 'oldmoney' Goldsmiths
Post by: True Brit on September 28, 2012, 06:15:55 pm
^ Yes I took that statement at face value when I first heard/read it but I read Tina Brown's conclusions re Frances and JG (which she admitted she couldn't prove) and her summing up pointing to an affair all made perfect sense.

In any event I had also heard from another source that it was a badly kept secret amongst the aristo class at the time.

Apparently after Jane and Sarah were born she got stir crazy at Sandringham and would spend periods in London dancing at Les Ambassadeurs and dining at Claridges where JG and all the rich well connected and royal set hung out. Les Ambassadeurs is where Prince Phillip danced the night away with Patricia Kirkwood the actress and started all the stories about them having an affair.

It was also said she wasn't JG's sort because she was "neurotic and needy" - well she may have been but she was also absolutely stunning, unhappy and bored out of her skull with Johnny Spencer and he might not have be prepared to run off with her but no reason why they didn't have an affair.


Title: Re: The 'oldmoney' Goldsmiths
Post by: True Brit on September 28, 2012, 06:49:50 pm
A history of Les Ambassadors from its present day web site.

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Les Ambassadeurs Club gained a reputation as one of London's most exclusive and distinguished dining clubs with a membership drawn from aristocracy, diplomats, heads of state, chiefs of commerce and celebrities from the world of entertainment.

It also hosted one of London's first gaming clubs Le Cercle which opened in 1961 and was soooo upmarket it was reported on in The Times.


http://www.lesambassadeurs.com/index.html?page=history


Title: Re: The 'oldmoney' Goldsmiths
Post by: Mooster on September 28, 2012, 07:18:21 pm
Interesting link True Brit  :thankyou:

...and crucially Frances had her own money, from a family inheritance, to do as she pleased - and after Sarah and Jane were born she was 'more self assured, more conversationally amusing and more open for adventure.  She wanted a taste of swinging London and there were plenty of prospects.'  (The Diana Chronicles)  She was definitely not the little wallflower that has been depicted  :sigh:



Title: Re: The 'oldmoney' Goldsmiths
Post by: Mooster on September 28, 2012, 07:34:04 pm
Sorry about the double post, but timed out  :shy:

I'm reading Annabel Goldsmith's memoirs and what strikes me is how she acknowledges all of James Goldsmith children and has good relations with them all - she has nothing but good things to say about James first and second wives - she also mothered Princess Diana and had a very close relationship with her, surely she must have noticed the looks, personality and mannerisms that Diana and James had in common?  A small but intriguing thing (to me anyway lol) in her book, Annabel writes that James had a vulnerable quality and a certain cosiness about him...his favourite evening in was watching TV in bed with her, eating scrambled egg and bacon followed by yoghurt and pureed apple - this also reminded me of Diana, she loved nothing more than to cuddle up in bed with her boys and watching TV while eating a simple supper from a tray.


Title: Re: The 'oldmoney' Goldsmiths
Post by: Freya on September 29, 2012, 10:55:49 am
http://www.flickr.com/photos/fawbs/7493406728/?q=frances roche

http://i49.tinypic.com/2afmpg9.jpg

I don't see much of Frances in Diana. William and Harry don't really resemble their Spencer grandparents. Jane and Sarah look a bit like their mother and Charles looks like Johnny.


Title: Re: The 'oldmoney' Goldsmiths
Post by: Alexandrine on September 30, 2012, 07:35:56 pm
'Meet my wife': Ben Goldsmith tells new love Jemima Jones

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/tvshowbiz/article-2210663/Ben-Goldsmith-tells-new-love-Jemima-Jones-Meet-wife.html


Title: Re: The 'oldmoney' Goldsmiths
Post by: Mooster on October 03, 2012, 09:25:51 pm
^ I still think he carries a torch for Kate Goldsmith - I wonder if they'll get back together eventually?

They ended their bitter feud last month, and financier Ben Goldsmith and his estranged wife Kate Rothschild looked to have put the past firmly behind them as they embraced at a memorial service today.
 
The pair stood side by side and briefly chatted to each other before entering the service for the Marquess of Londonderry, Goldsmith's uncle, who died in June.

 
Kate, who was dressed in a brown and black polka dot top with black trousers, supported her former partner as he greeted guests including Princess Michael of Kent and TV presenter Kirstie Allsopp.



Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/femail/article-2212412/The-war-Ben-Goldsmith-Kate-Rothschild-share-embrace-reunite-memorial-service-Marquess-Londonderry-ending-bitter-feud.html#ixzz28GmY4hE5
 


Title: Re: The 'oldmoney' Goldsmiths
Post by: Mooster on October 11, 2012, 01:12:08 pm
I've also posted this in the Will and Kate at Loulou's thread)

'others also at the party included Jemima Khan and her brother - MP Zach Goldsmith'...'Ben Goldsmith and his girlfriend were also at the event with Kate and William'


Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2216030/Kate-Middleton-Prince-William-reunite-evening-Loulous-club-Mayfair.html#ixzz28zXaQizH
 

Nice to see William enjoying a night out with his Uncles Zac and Ben Goldsmith and Aunt Jemima  :June:


Title: Re: The 'oldmoney' Goldsmiths
Post by: serene grace on October 11, 2012, 04:15:41 pm
Mooster  :bat: you are being very naughty.  :tehe:


Title: Re: The 'oldmoney' Goldsmiths
Post by: Acornia on October 12, 2012, 03:03:48 am
Does anyone else find it strange that Zac Goldsmith still isn't seen out in public with Alice Rothschild? When they go out they're usually not with each other or they're with other dates. Is it too soon to flaunt their affair turned relationship in public?


Title: Re: The 'oldmoney' Goldsmiths
Post by: rogue on October 12, 2012, 11:54:36 am
^His ex-partner has moved on and has been seen with her boyfriend  so i don't see why he wouldn't.


Title: Re: The 'oldmoney' Goldsmiths
Post by: Mooster on October 12, 2012, 02:14:06 pm
Maybe he likes to keep this relationship low profile because he's an MP - family break ups not good for image.


Title: Re: The 'oldmoney' Goldsmiths
Post by: berlin on October 21, 2012, 06:05:11 pm
How Ben Goldsmith staged the craziest stag stunt ever! Held in a dawn swoop, a terrified  bridegroom is close to tears as LA police tell him he'll be in jail on his wedding day. Then his friends burst in...


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Title: Re: The 'oldmoney' Goldsmiths
Post by: serene grace on October 21, 2012, 08:57:34 pm
did anyone see that tweet the other day, where Zac was taking up for Pippa, I think it was about her book? I found it odd,why would he care what pippa does?


Title: Re: The 'oldmoney' Goldsmiths
Post by: Alexandrine on October 21, 2012, 09:01:25 pm
^
Zac Goldsmith ‏@ZacGoldsmith
Today's Times attacks Pippa M for not doing any interviews for her book. No doubt the bullying would have been worse if she had. Nice.


Title: Re: The 'oldmoney' Goldsmiths
Post by: serene grace on October 21, 2012, 09:40:53 pm
Thank you, that's the tweet. I didn't understand why he's so concerned about Pippa?  :sly:

Question , did Kate(during the 07 break with William) or Pippa ever go out with Alex Tulloch,the friend Ben Goldsmith mentioned in the article above?


Title: Re: The 'oldmoney' Goldsmiths
Post by: Jane23 on October 22, 2012, 12:20:50 pm
^ He has to play nice to WILLY it has nothing to do with Pipps  :laundry:...


Title: Re: The 'oldmoney' Goldsmiths
Post by: serene grace on October 22, 2012, 12:34:13 pm
Why would he want to give Pippa publicity on his tweet to satisfy William, who hates attention of any kind?


Title: Re: The 'oldmoney' Goldsmiths
Post by: Jane23 on October 22, 2012, 01:31:49 pm
^ Who says he hates "attention" of any kind? He loves being worshiped and the press going hard against his father and bother and he being the only '' good one" of the three  8)...he hates the attention when his wife gets naked near a street there's a difference...this Zac guy dropped the two sisters like garbage in 2007 I am sure but now he is nice to Pipps...and we all know why  :June:...


Title: Re: The 'oldmoney' Goldsmiths
Post by: serene grace on October 22, 2012, 01:38:39 pm
well, you have a good point there.  :cookie:


Title: Re: The 'oldmoney' Goldsmiths
Post by: Alexandrine on December 31, 2012, 11:18:19 am
How Zac Goldsmith's rock for fiancee Alice Rothschild rolled away at Stones gig
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2255139/RICHARD-KAY-How-Zac-Goldsmiths-rock-fiance-Alice-Rothschild-rolled-away-Stones-gig.html


Title: Re: The 'oldmoney' Goldsmiths
Post by: Alexandrine on January 27, 2013, 03:06:03 pm
Zac and Alice expecting a baby as their big day looms

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/tvshowbiz/article-2268837/MoS-Diary-Zac-Alice-expecting-baby-big-day-looms.html


Title: Re: The 'oldmoney' Goldsmiths
Post by: serene grace on January 27, 2013, 03:21:26 pm
 :o

Two interesting ( wealthy) and sometimes scandalous family's (joining in marriage.) I hope this one sticks for Zac.

http://takimag.com/article/billionaires_bimbos_and_the_black_brady_bunch_bruce_cochran/print#axzz2JBo3gQ5v



Title: Re: The 'oldmoney' Goldsmiths
Post by: Acornia on January 30, 2013, 12:24:28 pm
^ I hope so too.

He divorced his beautiful wife for a - let's be honest here! - quite average-looking woman, although one with a bottomless bank account. But perhaps I'm selling Alice short and aside from money, she may have something that attracted Zac to her.


Title: Re: The 'oldmoney' Goldsmiths
Post by: tequiero on March 17, 2013, 08:43:03 pm
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Zac Goldsmith marries his Rothschild in thatched hut at a bird sanctuary

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As heirs to two of the world’s wealthiest banking dynasties, they could probably have had their pick of the most lavish venues.

But when Zac Goldsmith and Alice Rothschild tied the knot yesterday, they kept things remarkably low-key.

The couple, whose combined net worth is thought to be at least £300million, married in a tiny thatched cottage that costs just £500 to hire for an evening.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2294181/Zac-Goldsmith-marries-Rothschild-thatched-hut-bird-sanctuary.html


Title: Re: The 'oldmoney' Goldsmiths
Post by: Alexandrine on March 17, 2013, 08:51:40 pm
L. Annabel looks like Carole...


Title: Re: The 'oldmoney' Goldsmiths
Post by: Freya on June 02, 2013, 04:34:47 am
http://www.literaryfilmfestival.com/_/rsrc/1320810922700/The-Man-With-The-Stolen-Heart-a-film-by-Charlotte-Boulay-Goldsmith/Charlotte-Boulay-Goldsmith-filmmaker.jpg?height=320&width=212

http://mobo101.wikispaces.com/file/view/princess_diana_young.jpg/293310174/princess_diana_young.jpg

http://25.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_loaquthKqA1qfna0vo1_500.jpg

Charlotte Goldsmith does look a bit like a young Diana. Charlotte's wedding takes place soon.


Title: Re: The 'oldmoney' Goldsmiths
Post by: Mooster on June 02, 2013, 04:12:50 pm
^ wow...she certainly does and a typical Diana impish pose and expression  :-


Title: Re: The 'oldmoney' Goldsmiths
Post by: Magnolia on June 04, 2013, 12:33:45 am
L. Annabel looks like Carole...
She does.


Title: Re: The 'oldmoney' Goldsmiths
Post by: serene grace on June 07, 2013, 12:47:48 pm
Yes they have similarities in their faces.

Also in the photos Freya posted, Charlotte does remind me a bit of young Diana.


Title: Re: The 'oldmoney' Goldsmiths
Post by: Freya on June 07, 2013, 01:06:57 pm
Charlotte Goldsmith get married tomorrow (8th June). It will be interesting to see who gives her away.


Title: Re: The 'oldmoney' Goldsmiths
Post by: serene grace on June 07, 2013, 01:28:43 pm
Some good wedding watching tommorrow.  :thumbsup:


Title: Re: The 'oldmoney' Goldsmiths
Post by: Jane23 on June 07, 2013, 02:50:08 pm
Can someone explain to me where all the gossip about Di's paternity comes form? Did her mother really sleep around? Not that I give any credit to that mess...but just curious where does it all come from? I know Di was very close to this family but that means nothing...


Title: Re: The 'oldmoney' Goldsmiths
Post by: Cressida on June 07, 2013, 08:45:11 pm
Diana's mother had an affair with Jimmy Goldsmith before Diana was born. Hence the rumours.


Title: Re: The 'oldmoney' Goldsmiths
Post by: Mooster on June 07, 2013, 08:48:28 pm
It was an open secret in aristocratic circles for years about Diana being Jimmy's daughter.


Title: Re: The 'oldmoney' Goldsmiths
Post by: Jane23 on June 09, 2013, 09:02:49 am
But that is what confuses me is the "affair" confirmed like a sure thing or just a ridiculous RUMOR like I suspect it is?   :June:


Title: Re: The 'oldmoney' Goldsmiths
Post by: True Brit on June 09, 2013, 11:02:04 am
No it isn't a rumour the story has appeared in one of the Diana biogs and I have read it myself. I think it was Sarah Bradford but it's more than njust a rumour as Frances was unhappy with the Earl and used to spend her weekends away in London at Les Ambassadeurs where she mixed with Goldsmith and Aspinall amongst others.

If I can recall which book it was in I'll copy it in but I know the story has appeared in more than one book.


Title: Re: The 'oldmoney' Goldsmiths
Post by: Mooster on June 09, 2013, 12:13:36 pm
^ Frances was also a very sensual woman...aware of her good looks...I'm sure she had lots of admirers and knowing Jimmy Goldsmith's reputation...he'd be there like a rat up a drainpipe lol xx


Title: Re: The 'oldmoney' Goldsmiths
Post by: Jane23 on June 09, 2013, 05:56:33 pm
No it isn't a rumour the story has appeared in one of the Diana biogs and I have read it myself. I think it was Sarah Bradford but it's more than njust a rumour as Frances was unhappy with the Earl and used to spend her weekends away in London at Les Ambassadeurs where she mixed with Goldsmith and Aspinall amongst others.

If I can recall which book it was in I'll copy it in but I know the story has appeared in more than one book.
So just rumors nothing official ...what amazes me about those paternity rumors regarding Harry and so on is...how did those women have the guts to sit down and tell their (very powerful) husbands they were pregnant ? Or were they THAT nasty they did TWO men at the same time? Just wondering...


Title: Re: The 'oldmoney' Goldsmiths
Post by: Mooster on June 09, 2013, 06:52:00 pm
William also looks like a Goldsmith...if you scroll back Jane you'll see lots of info.  William looks particularly like Jimmy's mother...that same triangle shaped mouth...there's pics there if you scroll back.   Obviously, there is no proof it's all circumstantial...but the timings of Jimmy's and Frances visits to London, mixing in the same circles, plus the dramatic likeness of Diana and William to the Goldsmiths...well, it's up to each of us to draw our own conclusions.


Title: Re: The 'oldmoney' Goldsmiths
Post by: Mooster on June 10, 2013, 01:19:13 pm
Freya, I don't know about any entailment on the Spencer estate...interesting, I wonder whether there is any info to research this, I wouldn't know where to start.

Yep, I agree Diana is a dead ringer for the whole Goldsmith family - if you look at my signature pics, along the bottom row, there are pics of Diana and James Goldsmith at various ages in their lives and she looks like him completely - as a child, teen and adult.  

Also, what do you think of the pics below?  The lady in the middle is Marcelle Goldsmith, Sir James Goldsmith's French mother - I think Diana and William look like her, the expression and especially around the shape of the mouth and that V shaped smile... they have similar eyes too.

(https://lh5.googleusercontent.com/-HPxHxCCguAs/UDjbfvZWuFI/AAAAAAAAAf0/LZ5NVe4AfHg/s214/william%2520like%2520james%2520mum1.jpg)  (https://lh6.googleusercontent.com/-INebBLAvoUk/UDjPwN0tizI/AAAAAAAAAeY/Jzz35aq5_3w/s214/jamesgoldsmith%2520young.jpg)  (https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-vitGyIXhOzs/UDjRPdYd_TI/AAAAAAAAAfI/sv4wFm63-3c/s214/diana%2520like%2520james%2520mum.jpg)


Jane, this is the pic of Sir James Goldsmith's French mother - her resemblance to William (and Diana) is striking...IMO of course


Title: Re: The 'oldmoney' Goldsmiths
Post by: CathyJane on June 11, 2013, 05:03:53 am
I can't see Frances having an affair before she had the 'all important' heir for the Spencer family. I just don't think she would take the chance of having another mans child on the chance it might be a boy and I don't know if she would have had the nerve to pass off her bastard son as the Spencer heir given that there were many rumors that Johnnie beat Frances.  jmo.  :dontknow:


Title: Re: The 'oldmoney' Goldsmiths
Post by: Mooster on June 11, 2013, 08:05:14 am
^ I hear what you're saying and it's a good point.  Although having been a victim of domestic abuse myself, believe me...all rational thought flies out the window, you end up doing all sorts of stuff that you never would normally.


Title: Re: The 'oldmoney' Goldsmiths
Post by: Snokitty on June 11, 2013, 12:24:15 pm
Freya, I don't know about any entailment on the Spencer estate...interesting, I wonder whether there is any info to research this, I wouldn't know where to start.

Yep, I agree Diana is a dead ringer for the whole Goldsmith family - if you look at my signature pics, along the bottom row, there are pics of Diana and James Goldsmith at various ages in their lives and she looks like him completely - as a child, teen and adult. 

Also, what do you think of the pics below?  The lady in the middle is Marcelle Goldsmith, Sir James Goldsmith's French mother - I think Diana and William look like her, the expression and especially around the shape of the mouth and that V shaped smile... they have similar eyes too.

(https://lh5.googleusercontent.com/-HPxHxCCguAs/UDjbfvZWuFI/AAAAAAAAAf0/LZ5NVe4AfHg/s214/william%2520like%2520james%2520mum1.jpg)  (https://lh6.googleusercontent.com/-INebBLAvoUk/UDjPwN0tizI/AAAAAAAAAeY/Jzz35aq5_3w/s214/jamesgoldsmith%2520young.jpg)  (https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-vitGyIXhOzs/UDjRPdYd_TI/AAAAAAAAAfI/sv4wFm63-3c/s214/diana%2520like%2520james%2520mum.jpg)


Jane, this is the pic of Sir James Goldsmith's French mother - her resemblance to William (and Diana) is striking...IMO of course

All three of the smiles look the same. Interesting comparison to say the least.

If a husband is a wife abuser then the wife took comfort in another mans bed there is no way that she would tell her abuser that the child belongs to someone else. He would try to beat her to death and/or force a miscarriage.


Title: Re: The 'oldmoney' Goldsmiths
Post by: Freya on June 11, 2013, 12:49:17 pm
Perhaps Frances just did not know who the father was so kept quite. She would not be the first.

Interesting that Charles and Diana were kept informed when Jimmy was ill. Also Zak leapt to Harry's defence during the Vegas scandal. I don't remember many coming out and defending Kate during the balcony scandal in France.


Title: Re: The 'oldmoney' Goldsmiths
Post by: Alexandrine on June 11, 2013, 10:03:29 pm
Isabel Goldsmith http://www.dailymail.co.uk/femail/article-393668/I-better-mistress-wife.html

Alix Goldsmith http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=laqq7iNBvsk&feature=youtu.be

I cannot find an image of Manes Goldsmith  :snob:


Title: Re: The 'oldmoney' Goldsmiths
Post by: CathyJane on June 13, 2013, 10:34:43 pm
Quote

If a husband is a wife abuser then the wife took comfort in another mans bed there is no way that she would tell her abuser that the child belongs to someone else. He would try to beat her to death and/or force a miscarriage.

Sorry I didn't get back sooner, my computer crashed, I'm using my sisters and we have had bad storms for the past few days and knocked out the internet.

Anyway, I agree an abused wife wouldn't tell her husband the baby wasn't his but if said baby came out looking far different from the other children the sh*t would hit the fan. And there is always that chance. I honestly don't think Frances would have the nerve to have an affair before giving birth to the Spencer heir, or at the least unprotected sex with a man she wasn't married to.
I kind of wonder why Frances and Peter Shand Kydd didn't have a child.


Title: Re: The 'oldmoney' Goldsmiths
Post by: Snokitty on June 13, 2013, 11:44:11 pm
^ Not necessarily. The child could look like an ancestor rather than either parent.

Beatrice is a good example of this. She looks like Queen Victoria did at that age.


Title: Re: The 'oldmoney' Goldsmiths
Post by: dianab on June 14, 2013, 02:37:49 am
This picture of Sir James Goldsmith's French mother remembers me a lot the pix of Frances Shand Kydd as an young woman when she married Johnnie.

This pictures of young James Goldsmith rembembers me alot the young man Johnnie Spencer.

@CathyJane
imo Frances wasnt into having affairs for sake of just having affairs & have facade, imo she was type when fall in love for someone else would left her husband and goes after an divorce for be/have a normal/offical relationship/life with the person she fall in love. What was exactly her actions.

IMO Diana is an cross between Cynthia Spencer & Frances. Many biographers talk about her resemblance to her paternal grandmother.


Title: Re: The 'oldmoney' Goldsmiths
Post by: mysha on June 14, 2013, 09:19:50 pm
This picture of Sir James Goldsmith's French mother remembers me a lot the pix of Frances Shand Kydd as an young woman when she married Johnnie.

This pictures of young James Goldsmith rembembers me alot the young man Johnnie Spencer.

@CathyJane
imo Frances wasnt into having affairs for sake of just having affairs & have facade, imo she was type when fall in love for someone else would left her husband and goes after an divorce for be/have a normal/offical relationship/life with the person she fall in love. What was exactly her actions.

IMO Diana is an cross between Cynthia Spencer & Frances. Many biographers talk about her resemblance
 to her paternal grandmother.


 :goodpost: Diana is a cross between Cynthia and Frances, but more like her grandmother. James might be but all are dead, so rather moot point. Now on news they have Williams DNA that is Indian. I would love them to get hold of Harry's


Title: Princess Diana's half sister?
Post by: CrystalEve on July 18, 2013, 01:47:40 pm
Princess Diana's half sister

Instead of Earl Spencer, Diana's real father was apparently Sir James Goldsmith.

According to Tina Brown (http://www.helpfreetheearth.com/news305_wedding.html (http://www.helpfreetheearth.com/news305_wedding.html)) and others, "Jemima Goldsmith was Princess Diana's very best friend and confidante. Jemima is genetically related to the Rothschilds and is now a Rothschild sister-in-law (Daily Mail Online, 10 May 2010).

"The Women's weekly magazine New Idea Australia, created a furore in Britain when it published a story about Jemima and Diana being sisters. The magazine quoted an unnamed source who claims to have known the “sister secret” for 40 YEARS. Rumours of the true sister relationship are rife among the British aristocracy.

"News reports that both Diana and Jemima were fathered by swashbuckling tycoon Sir James Goldsmith ignited bushfires all over Australia and Britain. The facts show that during Diana's unhappy marriage to Charles, she did not seek solace in - nor was she offered solace by the Spencers. She sought solace from her surrogate family - the Goldsmiths.

"Jemima Goldsmith converted to Islam when she married retired Pakistani cricketer Imam Khan in 1995. Jemima is said to be the one who inspired Diana to pursue liaisons with Muslim men."


Title: Re: Princess Diana's half sister?
Post by: Freya on July 18, 2013, 02:41:23 pm
^
Crystal,

Mooster has posted quite a lot of information on this under the thread "Old Money Goldsmiths". There is also a daughter of Jimmy Goldsmith from another relationship that looks a bit like Diana. There is a picture of James Goldsmith's French Mother who bears an interesting resemblance to William. It's fascinating stuff.

http://www.literaryfilmfestival.com/_/rsrc/1320810922700/The-Man-With-The-Stolen-Heart-a-film-by-Charlotte-Boulay-Goldsmith/Charlotte-Boulay-Goldsmith-filmmaker.jpg?height=320&width=212

Charlotte Goldsmith looks like a young Diana in the above picture.


Title: Re: Princess Diana's half sister?
Post by: sandy on July 18, 2013, 03:51:51 pm
Princess Diana's half sister

Instead of Earl Spencer, Diana's real father was apparently Sir James Goldsmith.

According to Tina Brown (http://www.helpfreetheearth.com/news305_wedding.html (http://www.helpfreetheearth.com/news305_wedding.html)) and others, "Jemima Goldsmith was Princess Diana's very best friend and confidante. Jemima is genetically related to the Rothschilds and is now a Rothschild sister-in-law (Daily Mail Online, 10 May 2010).

"The Women's weekly magazine New Idea Australia, created a furore in Britain when it published a story about Jemima and Diana being sisters. The magazine quoted an unnamed source who claims to have known the “sister secret” for 40 YEARS. Rumours of the true sister relationship are rife among the British aristocracy.

"News reports that both Diana and Jemima were fathered by swashbuckling tycoon Sir James Goldsmith ignited bushfires all over Australia and Britain. The facts show that during Diana's unhappy marriage to Charles, she did not seek solace in - nor was she offered solace by the Spencers. She sought solace from her surrogate family - the Goldsmiths.

"Jemima Goldsmith converted to Islam when she married retired Pakistani cricketer Imam Khan in 1995. Jemima is said to be the one who inspired Diana to pursue liaisons with Muslim men."

Diana is the spitting image of her late PATERNAL Grandmother Lady Cynthia Spencer.  This is just more rumors. Tina Brown is not a reliable source.


Title: Re: Princess Diana's half sister?
Post by: CrystalEve on July 18, 2013, 05:11:01 pm
^
Crystal,

Mooster has posted quite a lot of information on this under the thread "Old Money Goldsmiths". There is also a daughter of Jimmy Goldsmith from another relationship that looks a bit like Diana. There is a picture of James Goldsmith's French Mother who bears an interesting resemblance to William. It's fascinating stuff.

http://www.literaryfilmfestival.com/_/rsrc/1320810922700/The-Man-With-The-Stolen-Heart-a-film-by-Charlotte-Boulay-Goldsmith/Charlotte-Boulay-Goldsmith-filmmaker.jpg?height=320&width=212

Charlotte Goldsmith looks like a young Diana in the above picture.

Thanks Freya, I did not know that there were other threads on this. I expect the moderators will merge them if they deem it necessary?

Charlotte Goldsmith does look a lot like Diana in the picture you refer to.


Title: Re: Princess Diana's half sister?
Post by: sandy on July 18, 2013, 05:58:30 pm
http://www.google.com/imgres?imgurl=http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/b/bd/Cynthiaspencer1892.jpg/220px-Cynthiaspencer1892.jpg&imgrefurl=http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cynthia_Spencer,_Countess_Spencer&h=352&w=220&sz=22&tbnid=zzBEFEfIpUdoqM:&tbnh=90&tbnw=56&zoom=1&usg=__f4zP11aELpdSyvNNIGmXIrNJc-c=&docid=J-dMGaksFkDVkM&sa=X&ei=pB7oUb_KBvb64APb7oCoBg&sqi=2&ved=0CDsQ9QEwAg&dur=165



https://www.google.com/search?q=lady+cynthia+spencer&tbm=isch&tbo=u&source=univ&sa=X&ei=2h7oUbDsJe3F4APj04CYBQ&sqi=2&ved=0CDkQsAQ&biw=1024&bih=594#facrc=_&imgdii=rTZaQ8nxLAoTjM%3A%3BPTMXijphzz7e5M%3BrTZaQ8nxLAoTjM%3A&imgrc=rTZaQ8nxLAoTjM%3A%3BMThWWIGAtpdRdM%3Bhttp%253A%252F%252Fwww.prints-online.com%252Fimage%252Fthe_countess_spencer_4553682.jpg%3Bhttp%253A%252F%252Fwww.prints-online.com%252Flow.php%253Fxp%253Dmedia%2526xm%253D4553682%3B354%3B450

Lady Cynthia Spencer


Title: Re: Princess Diana's half sister?
Post by: CrystalEve on July 19, 2013, 01:44:21 am
I can see no likeness to Lady Cynthia Spencer, but I can however see Diana's likeness here.

http://www.wickedladycollectables.co.uk/blog2010/marina11.jpg (http://www.wickedladycollectables.co.uk/blog2010/marina11.jpg)


Title: Re: Princess Diana's half sister?
Post by: Snokitty on July 19, 2013, 01:53:49 am
^ Which one of the two is Diana supposed to look like?


Title: Re: Princess Diana's half sister?
Post by: lothwen on July 19, 2013, 02:05:35 am
^ :laugh:


IMO, Diana looks more like Lady Spencer.


Title: Re: Princess Diana's half sister?
Post by: CathyJane on July 19, 2013, 05:02:09 am
I think Diana looked like a combination of Frances and Cynthia, Countess Spencer.


Title: Re: Princess Diana's half sister?
Post by: CrystalEve on July 19, 2013, 12:39:40 pm
^ Which one of the two is Diana supposed to look like?

Both Diana and her mother look like the Duchess of Kent.


Title: Re: Princess Diana's half sister?
Post by: Snokitty on July 19, 2013, 02:25:03 pm
Well if Diana's Mother looks like the Duchess of Kent then Diana would look like her Mother. I see no resemblance in the photo you provided.


Title: Re: The 'oldmoney' Goldsmiths
Post by: CrystalEve on July 19, 2013, 03:56:44 pm
Diana's mother, Frances Shand-Kydd (Roche):

http://farm9.static.flickr.com/8424/7493406612_8ab380f97a.jpg (http://farm9.static.flickr.com/8424/7493406612_8ab380f97a.jpg)


Marina, Duchess of Kent:

http://www.wickedladycollectables.co.uk/blog2010/marina11.jpg (http://www.wickedladycollectables.co.uk/blog2010/marina11.jpg)



Title: Re: The 'oldmoney' Goldsmiths
Post by: Snokitty on July 19, 2013, 07:02:43 pm
I still see no resemblance.


Title: Re: The 'oldmoney' Goldsmiths
Post by: sandy on July 19, 2013, 08:23:52 pm
Marina looks nothing like Diana. She was a brunette and had a rather endearing crooked smile that her daughter Alexandra inherited.


Title: Re: The 'oldmoney' Goldsmiths
Post by: Royal Lowness on August 23, 2013, 12:46:39 am
^

They certainly look very much alike.

If Diana's father really was Sir James Goldsmith, then it is very sad that they both dies within weeks of each other.


Title: Re: The 'oldmoney' Goldsmiths
Post by: Royal Lowness on August 23, 2013, 12:48:54 am
^

Besides, if Diana really was his daughter, then he had to go before she was murdered. Can you imagine the stink he would have created for them otherwise?

(One of the longest affairs that Sir James had was with Frances Roche.)

 :angry:


Title: Re: The 'oldmoney' Goldsmiths
Post by: india on August 23, 2013, 07:14:33 am
Diana is the spitting image of Goldsmith and his children with Annabelle. He certainly had a type.


Title: Re: The 'oldmoney' Goldsmiths
Post by: Freya on August 23, 2013, 08:00:35 am


http://www.smartredirect.de/ad/clickGate.php?u=Fo6Pr2As&m=1&p=0oAj48ggLw&s=&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.literaryfilmfestival.com%2F_%2Frsrc%2F1320810922700%2FThe-Man-With-The-Stolen-Heart-a-film-by-Charlotte-Boulay-Goldsmith%2FCharlotte-Boulay-Goldsmith-filmmaker.jpg%3Fheight%3D320%26width%3D212

I also think that Charlotte Boulay-Goldmith looks like a young Diana before she had short hair. She is the daughter of James Goldsmith and half sister to Annabel's children.

The Goldsmith genes must be strong because all his children seem to resemble each other.  If you look at James Goldsmith's French mother she has the same smile as William.

^


Title: Re: The 'oldmoney' Goldsmiths
Post by: sandy on August 26, 2013, 02:23:00 am
William would not look a lot like his Uncle Charles if Diana were a Goldsmtih. He has the Spencer chin. Harry closely resembles Diana's sister Sarah's sons.


Title: Re: The 'oldmoney' Goldsmiths
Post by: Mooster on August 26, 2013, 11:38:09 pm
Diana's a Goldsmith through and through, like a stick of Blackpool Rock.  Sir James was a force to be reckoned with and his genes are stamped on all of his children, Diana included.


Title: Re: The 'oldmoney' Goldsmiths
Post by: sandy on August 27, 2013, 02:42:23 am
Diana's a Spencer who closely resembles her paternal grandfather.  No way would Frances have bedhopped with Goldsmith while trying to give birth to the Spencer heir (Diana's other brother John of course died shortly after he was born).


Title: Re: The 'oldmoney' Goldsmiths
Post by: Countess of Holland on August 31, 2013, 06:31:13 pm
I reac the book by Lady Antonia Fraser about Georgiana Duchess of Devonshire. When the book was published in The Netherlands, there was an interview with Lady Antonia about the peerage and their affairs.
She said that there was an unwritten rule that women were free to do as they pleased but only after providing an heir and a spare for their husband.

considering that Frances had not even provided an heir in 1959 when she was having the alledged affair with Goldsmith, I very much doubt that the affair happened at all. No way Spencer would have stood for it. She could have become pregnant with a son who would the be his legal heir...he would have divorced her then and there.

And both Prince William and Prince Harry have resemblances to the Spencer-family as well.
As for resemblances with the Goldsmith children, their mother is an aristocrat and all these peers are intermarried in so many ways it is getting incestuous. And these traits can go a long way back. Just look at Princess Beatrice who shares the eyes of her ancestor Queen Victoria.


Title: Re: The 'oldmoney' Goldsmiths
Post by: Venus De Milo on September 01, 2013, 01:27:52 am
Quote
I reac the book by Lady Antonia Fraser about Georgiana Duchess of Devonshire. When the book was published in The Netherlands, there was an interview with Lady Antonia about the peerage and their affairs.
She said that there was an unwritten rule that women were free to do as they pleased but only after providing an heir and a spare for their husband.
You must be mistaken. The famous book Georgiana, Duchess of Devonshire was written by Amanda Foreman.
Antonia Fraser has never written a book about her. Else, I totally agree with your post.


Title: Re: The 'oldmoney' Goldsmiths
Post by: Freya on September 01, 2013, 07:06:51 am
^
I think that Antonia has reviewed this book so perhaps that's where the confusion is.


Title: Re: The 'oldmoney' Goldsmiths
Post by: Freya on September 01, 2013, 07:12:02 am
When James Goldsmith was very ill Diana was kept informed. Diana was also very friendly with Annabelle more so than her own mother.

I personally think that the likeness between the Goldsmith siblings and half sibling and Diana is striking.


Title: Re: The 'oldmoney' Goldsmiths
Post by: Countess of Holland on September 01, 2013, 01:55:16 pm
^^ Indeed, it was a review by Lady Antonia. I was confused since Lady Fraser has written so many biographies herself.


Title: Re: The 'oldmoney' Goldsmiths
Post by: sandy on September 01, 2013, 04:05:18 pm
When James Goldsmith was very ill Diana was kept informed. Diana was also very friendly with Annabelle more so than her own mother.

I personally think that the likeness between the Goldsmith siblings and half sibling and Diana is striking.

Diana was also friendly with Elsa Bowker an older woman. It was not that she was related to Annabelle but that Diana had sort of surrogate mothers since her relationship with her mother Frances was not always amicable to put it mildly. William particularly has the Spencer chin that John Spencer and Charles Spencer have. The resemblance is striking.  Harry closely resembles his cousins (through Sarah Spencer).  And Lady Cynthia Spencer looks a lot like Diana and Diana referred to her as guarding her from heaven. If Diana thought she was not her "real" grandmother I think she would not have talked about inheriting her dedication to charity from Cynthia Spencer.


Title: Re: The 'oldmoney' Goldsmiths
Post by: gingerboy24 on September 01, 2013, 04:06:15 pm
When James Goldsmith was very ill Diana was kept informed. Diana was also very friendly with Annabelle more so than her own mother.

I personally think that the likeness between the Goldsmith siblings and half sibling and Diana is striking.

Agree, the resemblance is indeed very striking, if you did not know anything of Diana you would be forgiven for thinking she was part of that family.  


Title: Re: The 'oldmoney' Goldsmiths
Post by: sandy on September 01, 2013, 04:45:10 pm
There is no proof that Diana is a Goldsmith. I think it would have come out had it been true. Frances was expected to produce a male heir  at the time and if she introduced someone else's child to John, she would have been ousted right away and the marriage annulled. When she took4 up with Shand Kydd after she produced the boy in 1964.


Title: Re: The 'oldmoney' Goldsmiths
Post by: Royal Lowness on September 05, 2013, 11:09:37 pm
^

It's completely obvious and clear that Diana's father was Sir James Goldsmith. And that he had to be murdered before her, since he would have blown the lid off sooooo much.

 :cookie:


Title: Re: The 'oldmoney' Goldsmiths
Post by: sandy on September 06, 2013, 03:22:01 pm
Not obvious to everybody. Read the authorized bio of Diana's mother and the conditions of her marriage. If she fell madly in love with Goldsmith do you honestly think she would have stayed with John? She didn't hesitate to bolt for Shand Kydd. I think if there were anything to this rumor, she'd have married Goldsmith, had kids with him and Diana and her sisters would be primarily with John Spencer and he would have remarried to have the male heir.


Title: Re: The 'oldmoney' Goldsmiths
Post by: Snokitty on September 06, 2013, 04:49:30 pm
The Aristos have been marrying into each others families for so many centuries that if one has similar features to a person who is not in their immediate family it doesn't necessarily mean that they must be siblings.


Title: Re: The 'oldmoney' Goldsmiths
Post by: Countess of Holland on September 06, 2013, 07:51:20 pm
^

It's completely obvious and clear that Diana's father was Sir James Goldsmith. And that he had to be murdered before her, since he would have blown the lid off sooooo much.

 :cookie:


Are there people in your world who actually die of natural causes? James Goldsmith was not murdered, his illness, pancreatic cancer, was well-documented and he won't be the first to suffer a heart-attack because of intense treatments against his pancreatic cancer (which is one of the most lethal cancers anyway with a very low survival rate).

And I don't see any likeness between Sir James Goldsmith and Princess Diana. Diana had a long-shaped face while Jimmy Goldsmith had a round face. The shape of their eyes and chin is different as well.
Any likeness between the Goldsmits children (the ones he had with Lady Annabel) and Princess Diana is more like to be through the aristocratic gene-pool that Princess Diana and Lady Annabel shared.


Title: Re: The 'oldmoney' Goldsmiths
Post by: gingerboy24 on September 06, 2013, 09:57:35 pm
^

It's completely obvious and clear that Diana's father was Sir James Goldsmith. And that he had to be murdered before her, since he would have blown the lid off sooooo much.

 :cookie:


Yes, I think so too.  She looks so much like all of JG´s children.  Who knowss what these families get up to. As Diana was not a boy and would not inherit Allthorpe probably not a major problem to Johnny Spencer  -  probably no saint himself.  They do lead busy and complicated lives don´t they.  How on earth do they work out their family trees..!


Title: Re: The 'oldmoney' Goldsmiths
Post by: Countess of Holland on September 06, 2013, 10:11:48 pm
But he didn't know that Diana would have been a girl when his wife got pregnant with her third child.

Nowadays with DNA a peer can denounce a child, but back in the 1960's he could not have prevented a child from inheriting the peerage if Diana would have been a boy and his heir. And seeing that the British peerage is well-known for their anti-semitism, I doubt Johnny Spencer would have stood for the possibility that a child of James Goldsmith would inherit Althorpe, the peerage etc.

Now if John Spencer and his wife would have had a few boys prior to Diana, I would have given this some credibility, but not while Frances still had to give birth to an heir.
And like I said, I don't see any resemblances between James Goldsmith and Diana. Only a slight resemblance between Diana and the children of Lady Annabel. But then again when looking at pictures of Annabel in her 20's I see a resemblance between her and Diana. Or are you telling us that Annabel is Diana's mother?
Just because someone is noble, doesn't mean that they were the result of some illicit affair.


Title: Re: The 'oldmoney' Goldsmiths
Post by: Countess of Holland on September 06, 2013, 10:17:33 pm
Sorry for doubleposting, I found this interesting article on-line about Frances and James Goldsmith:

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/tvshowbiz/article-315244/Were-Diana-Jemima-sisters.html

'During that year, 1960, Frances barely left Norfolk,' one of her close friends told me. 'She was depressed, wrapped up in herself, constantly worried that she had let her husband down, desperate to become pregnant once more.'
Compare this picture of rural gloom with James Goldsmith's sunsplashed life.
He was already the father of two children (Isabel, by his first wife, the Bolivian heiress Isabel Patino who died in childbirth, and Manes, his son by his secretary and mistress Ginette Lery), and he was leading a peripatetic, glamorous life between Paris, London and the Cote d'Azur.



Title: Re: The 'oldmoney' Goldsmiths
Post by: serene grace on November 02, 2013, 12:21:56 am
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/tvshowbiz/article-2482452/Newly-single-Jemima-Khan-attends-Halloween-ball-alongside-ex-Hugh-Grant.html



Title: Re: The 'oldmoney' Goldsmiths
Post by: sandy on November 02, 2013, 01:43:48 am
With John Spencer constantly at her to have the male heir and the visits to the doctors, Frances was probably too exhausted to have an affair.