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Title: Charles & Camilla Relationship
Post by: sandy on October 04, 2011, 02:15:55 pm
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The little tart will have got a bloody nose if so as I suspect Cams packs a decent right hook.

Considering how athletic she is, Camilla would come out on top. Anyone who survives 1992 in the position she was in (in terms of public hatred) is a tough cookie; Charles loves her and since she is part and parcel of his set, I think as Camilla pounded Kate, Philip would give pointers and the ghosts of Princess Margaret and the Queen Mother would act as cheerleaders and also insult Kate as well. Until Kate married William, things were going well in the RF and now that Kate is part of it, there has been one round of problems after another.  

I think Charles loves himself. That being said. Camilla was and is a nervy woman. Anybody that can take over hostess duties for the wife and redecorate the wife's home doesn't care about opinion--just getting what she wants not matter what. Camilla got what she wanted by sheer  gall and unethical means. She had a weak willed man to manipulate and maneuver. As Mae West said, Goodness had nothing to do with it (applying this quote to how Camilla got where she is today). I don't think Camilla is in any position to cast stones at anybody.  

I think C and C are more stuck with each other--he named her publicly and more or less became obligated. Camilla didn't keep Raymilll for nothing.

changed the title - Alex


Title: Re: Camilia storms out!
Post by: Kuei Fei on October 05, 2011, 06:35:37 am
It was Diana who named her first, then Charles.


Title: Re: Camilia storms out!
Post by: leogirl on October 05, 2011, 08:05:26 am
Yes, but even before Diana named her, it was an open secret that she was (one of) Charles's mistress(es).


Title: Re: Camilia storms out!
Post by: sandy on October 05, 2011, 03:12:01 pm
Camilla went to the Sun to give her side with inside scoops (she would place phone calls to the Sun editor). Camilla also was badmouthing Diana. Charles' friends (supposedly Diana's friends too)  lent C and C safe houses


Title: Re: Camilia storms out!
Post by: memyselfandroyals on October 05, 2011, 03:24:49 pm
I don't think they were Diana's friends


Title: Re: Camilia storms out!
Post by: sandy on October 05, 2011, 03:30:02 pm
They pretended to be. Diana was shocked and hurt when she found out they were providing safe houses for her husband and his mistress.


Title: Re: Camilia storms out!
Post by: memyselfandroyals on October 05, 2011, 03:53:23 pm
Who woudn't?  ???


Title: Re: Camilia storms out!
Post by: berlin on October 05, 2011, 05:42:10 pm
Camilla went to the Sun to give her side with inside scoops (she would place phone calls to the Sun editor). Camilla also was badmouthing Diana. Charles' friends (supposedly Diana's friends too)  lent C and C safe houses

I read in Sarah Bradford's book that Camilla had been providing info about Diana and Charles to the media since 1982.  It looks like Camilla's knives against Diana were out from the beginning.  I don't think Camilla loves Charles; she loves the prince.


Title: Re: Camilia storms out!
Post by: Kuei Fei on October 05, 2011, 08:39:26 pm
I don't think Kate understands just how alone she is in this battle against Camilla. Picking a fight with Camilla is basically picking a fight with the aristocracy and gentry. Loyalty to the future Sovereign is frankly put, sacrosanct in those circles and I don't see how Kate would 'win' in any out and out  conflict. What on earth would the two have to fight about after all? She's barely a bride and barely a member of the RF, which is hanging by a thread (along with her health).

Yes, but even before Diana named her, it was an open secret that she was (one of) Charles's mistress(es).

Not publicly; the public knew next to nothing about her then.


Title: Re: Camilia storms out!
Post by: Alexandrine on October 05, 2011, 08:42:39 pm
Camilla went to the Sun to give her side with inside scoops (she would place phone calls to the Sun editor). Camilla also was badmouthing Diana. Charles' friends (supposedly Diana's friends too)  lent C and C safe houses

I read in Sarah Bradford's book that Camilla had been providing info about Diana and Charles to the media since 1982.  It looks like Camilla's knives against Diana were out from the beginning.  I don't think Camilla loves Charles; she loves the prince.

I agree, but I don't think she wanted to be a princess, she wanted to be Charles' Alice Keppel.


Title: Re: Camilia storms out!
Post by: sandy on October 05, 2011, 09:24:13 pm
Camilla went to the Sun to give her side with inside scoops (she would place phone calls to the Sun editor). Camilla also was badmouthing Diana. Charles' friends (supposedly Diana's friends too)  lent C and C safe houses

I read in Sarah Bradford's book that Camilla had been providing info about Diana and Charles to the media since 1982.  It looks like Camilla's knives against Diana were out from the beginning.  I don't think Camilla loves Charles; she loves the prince.

I agree, but I don't think she wanted to be a princess, she wanted to be Charles' Alice Keppel.


Charles outing Camila made it all possible for her. I think Camilla wasn't exactly horrified at "having it all" getting all the titles and perks Diana had. I think that Camilla didn't want to lose Charles more because of the perks being his mistress. Her first husband and entire family have benefitted as well.
Her son for instance name drops "Sir" aka Charles to promote his books.


Title: Re: Camilia storms out!
Post by: leogirl on October 05, 2011, 09:33:57 pm
I think Camilla wanted to be a mistress, but wanted the privileges of a wife.

If she really wanted to be a princess, then she wouldn't have married Andrew Parker Bowles, at least not until AFTER Charles married Diana.

Camilla I think was too lazy to be a princess, she'd rather stay at home, but after Charles's finanaces were going to be investigated, Charles had to propose to her, and she was happy to go along with it... as long as she didn't have to do too much work.


Title: Re: Camilia storms out!
Post by: Alexandrine on October 05, 2011, 09:40:50 pm
I think that her plan was to be the control in the shadow but when she was outed she went with the flow...


Title: Re: Camilia storms out!
Post by: memyselfandroyals on October 05, 2011, 11:17:18 pm
I thought she wanted to be the wife...


Title: Re: Camilia storms out!
Post by: sandy on October 06, 2011, 02:07:04 am
I don't think she minds the perks of being a royal in the least. She smiles the most when she's decked out in large tiaras and necklaces and she grins ear to ear. She I think knows Charles after spinning the great love story will not want to lose credibility and divorce her. She has Raymill to retreat to when the going gets tough and her sister, ex husband, and kids among others in her family are set for life thanks to Prince Charles the Sugar Daddy. I think she revels in the thought that she got all the titles Diana once had-- I think she always had sheer contempt for Diana particularly after Diana didn't cooperate with her plans of being the "mouse" and being "civilized" like APB was.


Title: Re: Camilia storms out!
Post by: leogirl on October 06, 2011, 02:29:03 am
Oh, of course she enjoys the tiaras and the jewels. I am just saying that she does minimal duties. For someone who supposedly waited 30 years to marry her "true love" she certainly doesn't do much with the title... I think she would rather be in the background, running things at home, but no traveling or public appearances.


Title: Re: Camilia storms out!
Post by: memyselfandroyals on October 06, 2011, 01:59:03 pm
Maybe she thinks "it took 30years, now i only do what praises me"  :laugh:


Title: Re: Camilia storms out!
Post by: sandy on October 06, 2011, 06:09:42 pm
Oh, of course she enjoys the tiaras and the jewels. I am just saying that she does minimal duties. For someone who supposedly waited 30 years to marry her "true love" she certainly doesn't do much with the title... I think she would rather be in the background, running things at home, but no traveling or public appearances.

With her keeping Raymill I don't think they are "madly in love." I think she was and is her true love and Charles was and is his own true love.  I think she always looked out for Number One I think she likes the perks though which she always liked IMO. Originally APB was supposed to be her "true love" and she pursued him for about 5 years until he finally popped the question.


Title: Re: Camilia storms out!
Post by: Alexandrine on October 06, 2011, 09:08:59 pm
I agree with you Sandy she really loves the perks, the tiaras and the titles but I still think that she wasn't going for the wive job. Not that she doesn't like it now.


Title: Re: Camilia storms out!
Post by: leogirl on October 06, 2011, 09:39:16 pm
Camz is too lazy to be a princess, but I guess people excuse her because of her age. She's 64 now, not 20 like Diana was when she married Charles.

And she was after APB because he is/was rumored to be good in bed.

I guess she is all about herself. Mistress of Charles who is rich and can buy her jewels and lets her run stuff, and then she goes home to APB after her day of 'work'.


Title: Re: Camilia storms out!
Post by: MOSAIC on October 08, 2011, 11:46:04 am

I've always heard that most of all Camilla wanted to emulate her Great Grandmother Alice Keppel, mistress of Edward VII and one of Camilla's quotes to schoolmates repeated ad nauseum was that Alice was the real queen, not Alexandra, queen in everything but name!  Yet still that must have rankled with the young schoolgirl.  By her early twenties, in fact her late teens,she would have understood enough to know that to be Charles' mistress, she needed a marriage of her own, since the given wisdom in such circles is that a mistress has to be married so that any children would be presumed to be the husband's.  I don't doubt she had a "passion" for APB.  She certainly kept other women away from him with a possessiveness that would have done justice to Kate Middleton.  It was always reported that the love of his life was not Camilla but a sister of the Duke of Northumberland.  She later went on to marry a Spanish aristo.


Title: Re: Camilia storms out!
Post by: memyselfandroyals on October 08, 2011, 02:44:54 pm
Why didn't they marry? It would be perfect! What was her name? I never heard about her. But i think Charles loves Camilla with all his heart.


Title: Re: Camilia storms out!
Post by: berlin on October 08, 2011, 04:36:18 pm
Charles relationship with Camilla is also a slap in the face to Queen Alexandra and the pain she went through.  I guess Camilla just had to keep the family business going.


Title: Re: Camilia storms out!
Post by: MOSAIC on October 09, 2011, 09:01:35 am

Her name was Lady Caroline Percy, and either she told someone or Camilla was overhead telling her regarding APB
"You can have him back when I'm finished with him......"  Various authors have stated that Caroline was the real love of Charles' life.  Camilla was and possibly still is his obsession.
Berlin you are absolutely correct about the slap in the face to Queen Alexandra, and that dear lady actually brought Alice Keppel to Edward VII bedside as he lay dying, but no respect from Camilla.


Title: Re: Camilia storms out!
Post by: Kuei Fei on October 09, 2011, 07:51:31 pm
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and that dear lady actually brought Alice Keppel to Edward VII bedside as he lay dying

On Edward's orders and frankly I still cannot believe that he forced Alexandra to kiss Keppel on the cheek affectionately.


Title: Re: Charles & Camilla Relationship
Post by: Alexandrine on October 09, 2011, 10:31:32 pm
I thought that this topic deserved its own thread  :hi:

I find fascinating that Charles&Diana&Camilla triangle was so similar to Edward&Alexandra&Alice, it's like history repeating itself but with a different end.


Title: Re: Charles & Camilla Relationship
Post by: sandy on October 11, 2011, 06:10:50 pm
I don't see it as just like Alexandra-Alice-Edward. Edward had many women not just Alice--including Lily Langtry one of his more famous mistresses. Alexandra turned a blind eye to the whole thing but used passive aggression with Edward and was a possessive mother to her children. Edward was involved with Alice relatively late in his life but he was quite the womanizer even before he wed Alexandra. Unlike Charles he apparently didn't leave his wife's bed and they had a larger family and he had his extracuricullar activities throughout his marraige.


Title: Re: Charles & Camilla Relationship
Post by: Alexandrine on October 16, 2011, 04:06:56 pm
But consider that it was also another era, and I don't believe that Charles only mistress all those years have been Camilla. If it had happened in the 1800 Diana and Charles would still be married.


Title: Re: Charles & Camilla Relationship
Post by: sandy on October 16, 2011, 07:21:15 pm
Edward VII had many liaisons. Janet Jenkins and Kanga Tryon were also mistresses of CHarles (even during the "Camilla years"). I read that while Camilla was having her children, CHarles got involved with her replacement Kanga Tryon. THen when Camilla took over, Kanga was dropped by CHarles. I think Charles had other liaisons but not as many as Edward by all accounts. Camilla not only was a mistress but I think was able to manipulate Charles and call the shots even after he married Diana.


Title: Re: The idea of Charles streamlining the Royal Family
Post by: mousiekins on October 24, 2011, 03:42:21 pm
She will be Queen Consort they can call her whatever they like to please the Diana devotees but the law is the law and she Camilla will be QC regardless.


Title: Re: The idea of Charles streamlining the Royal Family
Post by: Alexandrine on October 24, 2011, 03:46:46 pm
They were the first to say that Camilla wouldn't be queen consort only princess.


Title: Re: The idea of Charles streamlining the Royal Family
Post by: sandy on October 24, 2011, 04:33:30 pm
Would you prefer a King with a live-in mistress?

Charles and Camilla love each other and are happy together.

They both married the wrong person first time round - like about 40% or more of the population.  Like many of them they have found love the second time round.

So sad that some people would deny them happiness because they made a mistake the first time (and then use the excuse that Diana didn't find happiness - but that was because she died with her lover - but that is ok I suppose).

I don't think it would make any difference if she were a live in mistress. Times have changed.

Nobody knows the feelings between them. I do think Charles is a bit of a malcontent and Camilla has kept her home Raymill to retreat to.

It is OK for Diana to "die with her lover". Joan Rivers made some catty remark on Larry King about that. But Diana was divorced and could date anyone she wanted to and was free.

It's a bit more complicated then the two "marrying the wrong person." Camilla being omnipresent in various capacities in Charles life I think in effect doomed the marriage he had to Diana. had Camilla not been available for Charles to run back to or keep in his life I think there would have been more hope for the Wales to work things out. It is difficult when there is another person calling the shots in someone else's marriage. Camilla by all accounts was besotted with APB but wanted the perks of having Charles as a lover. I think if  he had been Charles Jones she wouldn't give him  the right time.


Title: Re: The idea of Charles streamlining the Royal Family
Post by: mousiekins on October 24, 2011, 04:37:32 pm
Sandy, there would be no role or title for Camilla if she was just that. As Wife she has a role and title Queen Consort.

He would be the Head of the Church and a head of a church cannot openly flaunt his unmarried girlfriend and be living with her without it jeopardizing his position.

Yes, I know that past Kings had but they were kept more quietly and the position was not built on PR and they were reigning and not serving a country.

It was best to put a line under the War of the Wales once and for all.

They were the first to say that Camilla wouldn't be queen consort only princess.

To make Camilla more accepted and to please Diana fans just like they called her Duchess of Cornwall despite the fact that by law she is Princess of Wales.

They knew that Diana fans would call blue murder if Camilla was called that so they made up a title especially for her to please the Diana fans and to help her be more accepted. They then lied through their teeth and said "she will not be Queen Consort" well that would mean 1,000's of years of history and laws would have to be changed because by law she will be QC but again they were trying to make nice with Diana fans because Diana fans cannot accept that it will be Camilla sitting on the throne next to Charles and not Diana, they think that title belongs to Diana.

Well it does not, it belongs to the King's wife and his wife (legal wife!) is Camilla and any wife of a King is by law Queen Consort whether you like her or not.


Title: Re: Charles & Camilla Relationship
Post by: Alexandrine on October 24, 2011, 04:44:25 pm
They realised that the marriage was not going to be welcome by many people not only the Diana devotees (term that I don't like), I doubt the queen who didn't attend the civil wedding is one of those Diana devotees and the act of penitence in the wedding was only for the Diana devotees?  :whistle: I didn't know that they had so much power over the BRF.


Title: Re: Charles & Camilla Relationship
Post by: sandy on October 24, 2011, 04:52:55 pm
I don't think C and C caredor care  two cents about "Diana fans."  With all the nasty ugly spin their cronies put out about her  (Iin her lifetime and after she died) why would they care? They didn't care about Diana's feelings so why should they care about  her fans. Charles had to touch all bases to get the marriage. He had advisors and spin doctors working for years on this. So it wasn't spur of the moment and OOOOH Must not upset the Diana fans. I think they felt it would be more palatable ( I don't think Camilla is popular with everybody and not just because of Diana--I think some just find her plain manipulative and unsuitable considering she was a divorcee and did live life in the fast lane so much so she was considered unsuitable for Charles even when she was single). And the blessing DOES go with the ceremony. It wasn't Diana's fans making them do it.

I think Charles naming her did make him obligated to her. Had he kept his mouth shut she may well still be a mistress. But after that there was pressure on him to "do something about her" as Camilla's father was said to have put it.


Title: Re: The idea of Charles streamlining the Royal Family
Post by: MOSAIC on October 26, 2011, 12:34:10 am
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It's a bit more complicated then the two "marrying the wrong person." Camilla being omnipresent in various capacities in Charles life I think in effect doomed the marriage he had to Diana. had Camilla not been available for Charles to run back to or keep in his life I think there would have been more hope for the Wales to work things out. It is difficult when there is another person calling the shots in someone else's marriage.

Yes indeed I would certainly agree that Camilla did call the shots in Charles and Diana's marriage. Diana longed for another child, a little girl.  Charles consulted with Camilla, who said no. IMO that is unforgivable and something she can never be forgiven for.  Let William and Harry think about that when they are greeting her with kisses and saying how they "love her to bits" (as Harry said in one interview)


Title: Re: Charles & Camilla Relationship
Post by: Kuei Fei on October 26, 2011, 04:45:29 am
I'm surprised she had even that much pull. Cripes, even Philip's mistresses didn't pull the stunt of trying to say how many children HM should have had, or even King George VI didn't let his mistresses speak of his wife. Plus there's the fact that even mistresses didn't try to dictate how many children Alexandra would be allowed to have. To my knowledge, no Prince of Wales in the past let his mistress dictate the number of children he might have.


Title: Re: Charles & Camilla Relationship
Post by: sandy on October 26, 2011, 03:31:06 pm
Camilla was sort of a puppet master with Charles. After Mountbatten died she was said to have even more influence over him. A mistress also didn't play hostess in the wife's home nor redecorate the wife's house like Camilla did.


Title: Re: Charles & Camilla Relationship
Post by: berlin on November 11, 2011, 10:19:55 pm
I'd love to know what went on between Camilla and Charles at William's wedding.


Title: Re: Charles & Camilla Relationship
Post by: Tatiana on March 15, 2012, 11:26:15 pm
Camilla was sort of a puppet master with Charles. After Mountbatten died she was said to have even more influence over him. A mistress also didn't play hostess in the wife's home nor redecorate the wife's house like Camilla did.

    All in all, Charles comes across as weak and very selfish .. and auld Camz comes across as a hard faced B(*T(

         Which is quite correct, as most of us already know.

             One does hear rumours that they arent as close as they once were .. Too Bad, So Sad.


Title: Re: Charles & Camilla Relationship
Post by: Nymph on March 16, 2012, 01:15:29 pm
Charles and Camilla made their lives what they are and they did it willingly and as adults, if they are un-happy who cares they did it to themselves.


Title: Re: Charles & Camilla Relationship
Post by: Yooper on March 16, 2012, 01:29:51 pm
^^I don't know that, Tatiana, that Camilla is a b(#T( as you put it.  Every time I see her in photographs it's kind of a nice break and I see her as more approachable than WK anyway!  I understand that a lot of people don't like her, but I find that marriages are complicated issues and, frankly, we don't know everything even to this day, although it was a very bad and horrid situation; I get that, but it's still too personal to know it all.  Only those three know the Truth.

In some ways, just for me, the hostility towards her seems a bit overdone.  She's going to be QC as Mousie said, so it's probably best, for me anyway, to get used to it.  She may surprise people and be very kind.


Title: Re: Charles & Camilla Relationship
Post by: Mooster on March 16, 2012, 03:55:05 pm
I understand that marriages are complicted things, but by sabotaging the marriage of C and D, we (the section of the nation who adored Diana)were deprived of a beautiful and legendary Queen.  I feel that Camilla stole something very precious from us and our heritage, and then she has the gall to position herself at the very front.  Sorry, I can't forget that when I try to forgive her  :snob:


Title: Re: Charles & Camilla Relationship
Post by: sandy on March 16, 2012, 05:37:47 pm
I cringe when I see pics of Camilla. She also makes those weird faces. If she had had any heart at all she would have refused to see or contact Charles once he got engaged to Diana and let them work on the marriage. Camilla was "easy" and made it obvious that she would be "there" for CHarles and had her own agenda, putting down Diana in the process to CHarles and his circle. I see nothing likeable about her and it is very very wrong to have that woman as a future QUeen, it's a disgrace.


Title: Re: Charles & Camilla Relationship
Post by: Jane23 on March 16, 2012, 10:27:47 pm
Prince Charles didn't love Diana they divorced (for reasons that go beyond Camilla) she would have never been Queen of anything  :sly: so no Camilla didn't "steal" anything Prince Charles and Diana DIVORCED why do people ignore that?  ??? ??? ??? ??? So they can continue to bash The Duchess? Diana had moved on first with the Doctor guy then Doti or was Doti used to make The Doctor jealous and that is why she was so public with him?  :cookie: I guess we will never know...anyway point is Diana in 1997 HAD MOVED ON to sleep/ be in love with other men it is absurd in 2012 her fans still beat the dead horse that was the mess that was her marriage that ended in 1996...besides all that how can you steal a grown man? The Prince is a human being with a will/feelings of his own no one could "steal" him from Saint Diana (roll eyes) THE MAN DIVORCED HER BECAUSE BOTH OF THEM WERE SLEEPING WITH OTHER PEOPLE!!!


Title: Re: Charles & Camilla Relationship
Post by: Mooster on March 16, 2012, 10:59:48 pm
Diana was expected to share her husband with Camilla - that was when the rot set in.  Camilla didn't mind sharing, she was used to putting herself about, but Diana didn't want to be part of a threesome or have sloppy seconds.  I wish Camilla fans would stop trying to gloss over this, they are so blinkered when it comes to their sleazy idol.


Title: Re: Charles & Camilla Relationship
Post by: Jane23 on March 16, 2012, 11:39:55 pm
^ She is not my "idol" I am just a person who doesn't *despise* her and can see what Diana did wrong  do I love any of the two women? No I don't love neither of them. Do I "*despise*" any of the two? Of course not actually I like them both I think both are good people with their own qualities ...anyway I thought this thread was about Prince Charles and his 2cond wife I don't even know how we ended up talking about Di...she has her own section in here...


Title: Re: Charles & Camilla Relationship
Post by: Mooster on March 17, 2012, 12:34:31 am
Yes, we should get back on topic  :BFF:


Title: Re: Charles & Camilla Relationship
Post by: sandy on March 17, 2012, 01:32:21 am
Prince Charles didn't love Diana they divorced (for reasons that go beyond Camilla) she would have never been Queen of anything  :sly: so no Camilla didn't "steal" anything Prince Charles and Diana DIVORCED why do people ignore that?  ??? ??? ??? ??? So they can continue to bash The Duchess? Diana had moved on first with the Doctor guy then Doti or was Doti used to make The Doctor jealous and that is why she was so public with him?  :cookie: I guess we will never know...anyway point is Diana in 1997 HAD MOVED ON to sleep/ be in love with other men it is absurd in 2012 her fans still beat the dead horse that was the mess that was her marriage that ended in 1996...besides all that how can you steal a grown man? The Prince is a human being with a will/feelings of his own no one could "steal" him from Saint Diana (roll eyes) THE MAN DIVORCED HER BECAUSE BOTH OF THEM WERE SLEEPING WITH OTHER PEOPLE!!!


CHarles himself told his biographer that at the time of his marriage to DIana he loved Camilla. He further indicated that he felt "forced" to marry Diana. He didn't "fall out of love" with DIana, IMO she served his purpose for him provding the heir and spare and after she delivered them, he felt he could return to the good times with Camila (though I don't believe he was every out of his life completely even after he married Diana. I think Charles felt that Diana would go into the marriage on his terms, and look the other way when he ran to Camilla.

Jane you have no way of mind reading what Diana thought when she was wiith Dodi. She was said to have dropped Hasnet Khan when she knew he was not going to marry her. She moved on and dated Dodi. What you are saying is speculation of others about DIana without having any proof of what Diana thought--in any case the secret of her feelings for Dodi went wth her to her grave. She left no letters or anything that had any conclusve proof about her motives for dating Dodii or her feelings.

I think the essential reasonn for the divorce was that Diana would not put up with Charles' idea of marriage having another woman in the marriage. I think it angered him more that she complained about his idea of marriage than that she took Hewitt as a lover after he returned to Camilla. Hewitt wrote that he felt Charles was relieved that Diana sought comfort elsewhere so he could spend more time with Camilla. I think had Diana not complained Charles would have continued wth the "open arrangement" and maintained a facade of a marriage much like APB and CPB had.


Title: Re: Charles & Camilla Relationship
Post by: Kuei Fei on March 17, 2012, 04:42:24 am
It's Charles' addiction to self pity that enabled Camilla to maintain control over him and his life; if he had been healthier mentally I believe that he would have either ended it or perhaps never allowed her to interfere in a lot of his choices regarding marriage. Diana wasn't able to cope taking care of a lot of Charles' already established emotional issues, I know that much.


Title: Re: Charles & Camilla Relationship
Post by: Yooper on March 17, 2012, 04:52:16 am
They're divorced, she's dead, it's over.  What do people want?  A marriage of two miserable people that continued making themselves and the children miserable.

For me, I don't know PC/Cams personal life nor would I assume to, all I see are two rather comfortable people with each other and life is really short and if you can grab a little happiness, it matters and takes great courage to do that, especially in this case.  People have grown up a bit in the last 20+ years and maybe it is a generational thing, but I was there through all the Camilla pain and loved Diana for everything she was but, in the end, it wasn't any of my business how their marriage worked or didn't.  They did what they did for the best reasons they could with probably a lot of other machinations going on.

It's always sad when a divorce happens, but Charles seems to be happier and Cams is a comfy kind of person to me, so I don't see it being a big, fat issue anymore.  In addition, the boys have stated clearly that they like her. That's enough for me.  They have a lot in common, are rather boring really, and suit each other and send a good vibe for me.  But, that's just me and there are bigger problems out there than these two. 



Title: Re: Charles & Camilla Relationship
Post by: Jane23 on March 17, 2012, 08:43:53 am
^ Preach!!!  :loveshower: At the end of the day it all goes down to the fact Prince Charles couldn't make his first marriage work because he didn't love his first wife he loved another woman that he went on to marry it's difficult to make a marriage work when you are in love with your partner let alone when you don't love them ...the man (like half of the population on this planet) divorced because he just couldn't go on anymore (he is human after all) I don't know what the big deal is divorce happens everywhere , everyday.


Title: Re: Charles & Camilla Relationship
Post by: sandy on March 17, 2012, 07:29:42 pm
Jana the point is that Charles married Diana knowing he didn't love her and loved someone else. He told this to his biographer. He used Diana to get heirs IMO


Title: Re: Charles & Camilla Relationship
Post by: Alexandrine on March 17, 2012, 07:44:06 pm
^^ So true, if he had been so in love he should have renounced his rights as his uncle did, Camilla could have divorced and they could have lived in the continent or in the US together.

If Prince Charles had not been the heir to the crown, Camilla wouldn't have looked twice at him.

Good reads:

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Camilla, of course, had met Diana several times and pretended to be her friend. But Brown quotes Camilla?s former brother-in-law Richard Parker Bowles as saying that she "initially encouraged the relationship between Charles and Diana because she thought Diana was gormless. She never saw Diana as a threat . . . she thought that Diana was someone she could manipulate".
"Camilla never wanted to marry Charles. She wanted to continue to be his paramour but stay married to Andrew," he added.

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But it was Camilla?s impact that was to shape the marriage, and Brown believes that, although Charles has always insisted it was 1986 before he resumed his affair with his old love, it in fact began again in 1983, the year before the birth of Prince Harry.

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Lady Puttnam tells Brown that during the evening Diana was solicitous and affectionate towards Charles, but that Charles was openly dismissive towards Diana.
"He behaved as if she was an irritant," recalls Lady Puttnam. "He would have liked her to be invisible, and she knew it."
All in all, when James Hewitt arrived in her life in 1986, says Brown, "Diana needed this affair. Her sex life was non-existent. Charles was all but gone from her bed."

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It need never have come to this, of course. Brown agrees with Patrick Jephson, Diana?s former private secretary, that but for Camilla?s refusal to back off, the marriage could have been saved by a workable truce which might have become a negotiated peace.

Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-460872/Camilla-wanted-marry-Charles.html#ixzz1pP7REeHr

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Despite her marriage to Andrew in 1973, Camilla remained close friends with Prince Charles. She helped him choose Highgrove House as his home - conveniently close to her own. He trusted her and she was part of his close circle of friends.

Newspapers reported that the night before his wedding to Lady Diana Spencer, in July, 1981, Charles and a 'blonde woman' spent the night on the Royal Train. Diana rightly guessed it was Camilla, but she hoped Charles would eventually grow to love her and forget his old flame. Love doesn't work like that. When he wore a gift from Camilla1 on honeymoon, it was obvious where his heart lay.

After Prince William and Prince Harry were born2, the Wales' marriage was over (in private) but the myth of the 'fairytale marriage' was still being perpetuated to the general public. Meanwhile, Charles returned to his mistress 'when it was clear the marriage had broken down'. This could possibly have been as early as 1984, when visiting his wife and newborn son, he voiced his disappointment that the child was not a much-longed-for daughter, and bemoaned the fact that the child had 'the Spencer red hair' probably killed off any lingering doubt that Princess Diana had that her marriage was doomed.

http://h2g2.com/dna/h2g2/A4158371

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Filderman recalled how Diana was wishing her marriage to work despite knowing that Charles was having an affair with Camilla Parker Bowles.

"She loved Charles and wanted the marriage to work. But he was merely 'fond' of her. As for the vows -- 'forsaking all others...' -- Charles didn't mean it from the start."

She said: "Diana started to cry when she told me that in 1983, and I feared for her future. I think it would have been better had Camilla not been around. It got to the point where they led separate lives.

http://wonderwoman.intoday.in/story/diana-suspected-charles-affair-when-william-was-baby,-says-friend/1/90140.html

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Camilla, safely married with two children, was seen as a dependable royal confidante whose experience would be invaluable to a bewildered girl. But Diana began to suspect that her presence contained the germ of something threatening to her own interests.
By the time Charles proposed to her, she said: "I'd realised there was somebody else around. I'd been staying at Bolehyde with the Parker Bowleses an awful lot and I couldn't understand why she [Camilla] kept saying to me: `Don't push him into doing this, don't do that.' She knew so much about what he was doing privately... eventually, I worked it all out."
Inexperienced and romantic as she was, Diana could see that this was a strange kind of courtship. They were hardly ever alone. And there was a startling lack of evidence that Charles and Camilla intended to give up their friendship after he had taken a wife - quite the reverse.
Diana claimed that she heard the Prince reassuring Camilla on the telephone from his bath: "Whatever happens, I will always love you." "I told him afterwards that I had listened at the door," said the Princess, "and we had a filthy row."

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The Prince and Princess attended the Parker Bowles's house-warming party when they moved from Bolehyde Manor to Middlewich House, 12 miles from Highgrove, and Charles and Camilla continued to meet at fox hunts.
She was soon to become the lynchpin of the Highgrove set. But her part in an unsavoury triangle of entanglement and disillusion was still a long way from public knowledge.
In 1984, pregnant with Prince Harry, the Princess of Wales began to suspect that her husband was seeing Camilla at other times, too, but she lacked proof and confided to friends that her anxieties would be brushed aside as paranoid delusions of a volatile, attention-seeker.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/1483283/Charles-and-Camilla-1970s-1990s.html


Title: Re: Charles & Camilla Relationship
Post by: Jane23 on March 24, 2012, 09:27:38 am
I love how this turned more a discussion about the Triangle of Bermuda  than a discussion about Prince Charles and The Duchesses 's  marriage  lmao  anyway...This Beyonce song seems like it's written about Prince Charles and Diana' s  last years...

BEYONCE KNOWLES
"Ring The Alarm"

[Hook:]
Ring the alarm
I been through this too long
But I'll be damned if I see another chick on your arm

Won't you ring the alarm?
I been through this too long
But I'll be damned if I see another chick on your arm

[Chorus:]
She gon' be rockin' chinchilla coats
If I let you go
Getting the house off the coast
If I let you go
She gon' take everything I own
If I let you go

I can't let you go
Damn, if I let you go
She gon' rock them VVS stones
If I let you go
Couped in the 'bach or the Rolls
If I let you go
She gon' profit everything I taught
If I let you go
I can't let you go
Damn, if I let you go

[Verse 1:]
Tell me how should I feel
When I know what I know,
And my female intuition
Telling me you a dog?
People told me 'bout the flames
I couldn't see through the smoke
When I need answers, accusations
What you mean you gone choke?


[Pre-Chorus 1:]
You can't stay, you gotta go.
Ain't no other chicks spending your dough
This is taking a toll, the way the story unfolds
Not the picture perfect movie everyone would've saw

[Chorus]

[Hook]

[Verse 2:]
Tell me how should I feel
When you made me belong
And the thought of you just touching her
Is what I *despise* most?
I don't want you but I want it
And I can't let it go
To know you give it to her like you gave it to me, come on


[Pre-Chorus 2:]
He's so arrogant and bold (Oh)
She gon' love that sh!t, I know
I done put in a call, time to ring the alarm
'Cause you ain't never seen a fire like the one I'ma 'cause

[Chorus]

[Bridge:]
How can you look at me
And not see all the things that I kept only just for you?
Why would you risk it baby? Is that the price that I pay?
But this is my show and I won't let you go
All has been paid for, and it's mine
How could you look at me
And not see all the things?

[Chorus]
It's like Di wrote this song  lmao


Title: Re: Charles & Camilla Relationship
Post by: sandy on March 24, 2012, 04:50:11 pm
The Bermuda Triangle stuff has gotten old IMO. THough Charles seemed to crave triangular relationships. Ask APB.


Title: Re: Charles & Camilla Relationship
Post by: Tatiana on March 26, 2012, 11:46:47 pm

    Agree Sandy, "Old as dirt".. but then that makes me think of Camilla   :laugh:


       My Grandmother always said " You cannot have your happiness at someone else's expense"

         They ran over lots of other souls to get their way.. shabby but true.

           


Title: Re: Charles & Camilla Relationship
Post by: Jane23 on March 28, 2012, 09:50:47 am
^ Prince Charles and Diana DIVORCED but whatever...


Title: Re: Charles & Camilla Relationship
Post by: sandy on March 28, 2012, 03:14:51 pm
Camilla was involved in the C and D marriage from the get go. No way was she going to back off--if the Wales marriage was a huge success she'd have a lot to lose (perks and all that) so she saw to it that she undermined Diana. Not a nice woman IMO.


Title: Re: Charles & Camilla Relationship
Post by: Jane23 on March 28, 2012, 08:45:31 pm
^ But according to YOU  he slept with other women  so how could his first marriage work Camilla or no Camilla?  :sly: Please explain that to me as I was a child ( I am waiting  :cookie:).


Title: Re: Charles & Camilla Relationship
Post by: sandy on March 28, 2012, 09:13:17 pm
Camilla undermined the marriage whether or not Charles slept with her or not. She was there giving "her side" to the press, taking over Diana's hostessing duties at Highgrove in Diana's absence and writing little love notes to Charles calling Diana "that ridiculous creature." Charles was weak enough to listen to Camilla.


Title: Re: Charles & Camilla Relationship
Post by: Jane23 on March 29, 2012, 12:29:33 am
^ But given that it was Chuck's home isn't HE to blame?  :sly: I mean the woman was just doing what HE allowed her to ( if that story is true) ...you still  haven't responded though how did Prince Charles's first marriage had any chance if he was sleeping with other women?  :sly:


Title: Re: Charles & Camilla Relationship
Post by: Mooster on March 29, 2012, 08:21:42 am
Camilla had no business toying with another woman's husband.  End of.


Title: Re: Charles & Camilla Relationship
Post by: Jane23 on March 29, 2012, 09:50:32 am
^ Who said otherwise but going by some comments in here it would seem she has all the blame for the mess that was Prince Charles and Diana's marriage which is funny because Diana she had 50% of it...


Title: Re: Charles & Camilla Relationship
Post by: sandy on March 29, 2012, 01:07:50 pm
^ But given that it was Chuck's home isn't HE to blame?  :sly: I mean the woman was just doing what HE allowed her to ( if that story is true) ...you still  haven't responded though how did Prince Charles's first marriage had any chance if he was sleeping with other women?  :sly:

She could have said no to Charles and told him to get Fawcett to play host for him and he could be Charles' butler greeting guests. Let her play hostess in her own home. The Great Man "allowing her to do it" does not mean that she had to.

Charles should have said goodbye to Camilla and I mean goodbye after he got engaged to Diana. And Camilla has the power of speech and could have uttered the word No to the Great Man.


Title: Re: Charles & Camilla Relationship
Post by: Jane23 on March 29, 2012, 06:32:44 pm
^ HIS home , HIS marriage  8).


Title: Re: Charles & Camilla Relationship
Post by: Mooster on March 29, 2012, 06:40:58 pm
So, Camilla is without any standards, and she is to be excused/applauded for that?  How strange  :-X 


Title: Re: Charles & Camilla Relationship
Post by: sandy on March 29, 2012, 07:29:44 pm
^ HIS home , HIS marriage  8).

It is still wrong. She didn't have to say she'd do it. He doesn't own her or control her thought processes like some mastermind. She is responsible for her own actions. I think it is THEIR marriage since there it more than one person in a marriage--Diana and Charles were in the marriage not Charles by himself. Diana also legally shared the properties with Charles since she was his LEGAL wife. Camilla was the Mistress not the Wife, she had no business there.

But I guess Charles is such a Great Man above everybody else and all morals that she MUST obey every command.


Title: Re: Charles & Camilla Relationship
Post by: Jane23 on March 29, 2012, 07:58:33 pm
^ He bought the home BEFORE he married Diana it was and still is HIS home not Diana's not Camilla's HIS anyway...not saying Camilla doesn't have her faults give me a thread about how she slept with a married man and I will be the first one to throw stones but the topic isn't about that BESIDES she didn't "own" Diana anything it was Diana's HUSBAND'S job to be faithful to her...


Title: Re: Charles & Camilla Relationship
Post by: sandy on March 29, 2012, 08:03:31 pm
When a royal marries a woman, she gets his titles and properties. Charles bought the house but once he slipped the ring on Diana's finger and they married, SHE also owned the properties. Diana was not chattel she was his Wife.

Before Diana married Charles HE was the owner, after the marriage she got his titles and properties. She was not chattel but his wife.

OTOH Camilla was usurping Diana's place in the home. No mistress in history ever did such a thing even the mistresses of Edward VII. Alice Keppel only came to Alexandra and Edward's home at the invitation of ALexandra so Alice could visit the death bed. So the wife DOES has some say and is not some mindless property of the husband.

So by your logic Jane Camilla had no blame because it was Charles' responsibility to be faithful! There are such things as alienation of affection suits which go against the other woman in the marriage. Camilla wasn't a slavey she was and is a woman who has a mind of her own and like everybody on the planet can choose between right and wrong. She could have said NO to Charles but didn't. She shares the blame in this. Nobody forced her or brought her in chains to Highgrove. The lady was willing.


Title: Re: Charles & Camilla Relationship
Post by: Tatiana on March 29, 2012, 11:02:48 pm

   So a woman who befriended you prior to your marriage, has no moral obligation to treat you and your home with respect, just because your selfish wanka of a husband wanted her in your home ?


     The world is going to hell in a handbasket ... Moral Compass anyone ??


Title: Re: Charles & Camilla Relationship
Post by: Alexandrine on March 29, 2012, 11:07:14 pm
I still think that the main fault is Charles after all he was the husband! But as Tatiana says Camilla befriended Diana so she was not a stranger and that means she also betrayed the relationship she had with Diana and to make friends with someone just to betray her you must be very cold.

The only thing I get from this is that Charles' life has been a mess from start to now, let's see what awaits him.


Title: Re: Charles & Camilla Relationship
Post by: Tatiana on March 31, 2012, 09:28:56 pm


     We are watching .. Karma takes it time ..


Title: Re: Charles & Camilla Relationship
Post by: Alexandrine on June 06, 2012, 08:29:11 pm
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For, although Mrs Parker Bowles had once been friendly with the Queen Mother when she was married to Andrew Parker Bowles, the two women had not seen each other or spoken for more than a decade: when Prince Charles and Mrs Parker Bowles, while both married, rekindled their intimate relationship that had first begun 30 years ago.
According to Palace officials, the Queen Mother's resolute attachment to the traditional notion of marital fidelity and public duty prevented her from giving her approval to the affair between Prince Charles and Mrs Parker Bowles, and she would not have felt comfortable in their company.

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Senior aides to Prince Charles believe that the Queen Mother was in no doubt about the importance of Mrs Parker Bowles to her grandson and they are convinced the Prince talked about her often to his grandmother.
"I think, too, that the Queen Mother would have been happy that he had found someone to love him; someone who, once the Queen Mother had gone, would give him the love and support that he needs," said one senior aide.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/1390786/Charles-and-Camilla-their-next-steps.html


Title: Re: Charles & Camilla Relationship
Post by: sandy on June 07, 2012, 01:56:06 am
What the Queen Mother would have done went with her to her grave. It's all speculation. I think she wanted to maintain the "facade" of being respectable and therefore would not have wanted a C and C wedding in her lifetime I think she felt ths sun rose and set on Charles and her spoiling of him I think was not the best thing in the world for him. I think it was hypocritical of her to be "shocked" over the affair while lending safe houses for married Charles to sleep with married Camilla. She was afraid of Charles losing his place in line of succession by his involvement with a divorcee much like Edward VIII' abdicating because he wanted to marry a divorced woman. I think it would not have "done" for her to openly advocate the wedding of C and C in her lifetime after decade of being angry over her brother in law marrying a divorced woman. I think she wanted to maintain a facade even though she helped her grandson see his mistress.


Title: Re: Charles & Camilla Relationship
Post by: Kuei Fei on June 07, 2012, 06:48:15 am
The Queen Mother should have sicced her wolves on Camilla instead of Diana; if she had, Diana might still be married and still be alive. One thing about married wives, is that they should always have the first say over their husbands and what they do in regards to relationships. As for divorce, I think the Queen Mother would have had a heart attack at hte idea of Camilla marrying Charles; she would have been in a state of rage if Charles had suggested marriage and the Queen Mother knew that making Camilla loved would have sidetracked Charles from raising his sons (as has happened) and I think that if you are a mistress, you have no business trying to become the wife.

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the Queen Mother's resolute attachment to the traditional notion of marital fidelity and public duty prevented her from giving her approval to the affair between Prince Charles and Mrs Parker Bowles, and she would not have felt comfortable in their company.

If you don't mind my saying, the QM was more than right and she had the standards that kept the monarchy going and kept the Windsors at the top. She was right about it and she was supposedly rabidly opposed to any idea of divorce between the two and was determined not to have Camilla accepted as a wife of Charles in any capacity, even morganatic. I think mistresses provide too easy of an out and if Diana wanted another kid and Camilla nixed it, I swear that alone is enough to tick me off.

Usually children were a frequent source of comfort for royal wives and I wonder if a daughter might have ended up making things a lot more easy on Diana because she would have had another kid to direct her energy to. But for Charles to let Camilla decide these things is quite ridiculous and stupid. No mistress should have any say at all about the number of kids that the wife has, she had no right to nix anything.


Title: Re: Charles & Camilla Relationship
Post by: Claire on September 16, 2012, 09:49:16 pm
I am new to the conversation and find all the different views fascinating reading.  :thankyou:

I like Camilla. She has never once spoken an ill-word about Diana - or about anything. Her discretion is her finest feature imo as well as her loyalty. She understands the difference between her public role and her private life - and that her royal role is by virtue of Charles. Diana had not that discretion, nor loyalty to the man who gave her her status, wealth and supreme privileges. Had she had either, she would likely be alive today, married to Charles and one day would be Queen. When I look at it all, I see a Diana who undid herself.

The same for Charles - he has never once spoken ill of Diana, not once. He had a wife whose name was constantly in the press linked with other men, starting in 1987. He had a wife whom he knew had taken a lover since 1985 and by her own admission to the general public was 'in love' with. He had a wife who stalked a married man (Hoare) and was herself a home-wrecker - in public. Charles never mentioned Camilla once - he admitted to adultery but never once spoke anyone's name in that connection, never once compromised anyone's privacy.

Together, Charles and Camilla present as a gracious and engaging couple imo. Charles is always conscious of where Camilla is. Camila knows her place is by his side or slightly back, not ahead of him. They are a pleasure to watch. JMO.


Title: Re: Charles & Camilla Relationship
Post by: YooperModerator on September 16, 2012, 10:04:48 pm
welcome my dear  :hello:
(http://i1095.photobucket.com/albums/i462/akasha2411/Smileys/welcome%20smileys/welcome31.gif)
And brace yourself for some euh.. fierce discussions :nervous: 
We have a few posters who can't stand the mere sight of the woman!
Personally I'm in the middle I guess
I've sorta forgiven her her part in "the mess of Wales" I mean I've forgiven all of them for that mess really. (they aren't my royals and it's, in a way, their private stuff so who am I to judge)
I'm not one to hold a grudge and frankly I'm to young to remember all of the details and think it's time to move on.
It doesn't mean I believe all of the PR spin that happened after '02 or that I will forget about the past though, you know the saying: fool me once...


Title: Re: Charles & Camilla Relationship
Post by: sandy on September 17, 2012, 01:57:16 am
I am new to the conversation and find all the different views fascinating reading.  :thankyou:

I like Camilla. She has never once spoken an ill-word about Diana - or about anything. Her discretion is her finest feature imo as well as her loyalty. She understands the difference between her public role and her private life - and that her royal role is by virtue of Charles. Diana had not that discretion, nor loyalty to the man who gave her her status, wealth and supreme privileges. Had she had either, she would likely be alive today, married to Charles and one day would be Queen. When I look at it all, I see a Diana who undid herself.

The same for Charles - he has never once spoken ill of Diana, not once. He had a wife whose name was constantly in the press linked with other men, starting in 1987. He had a wife whom he knew had taken a lover since 1985 and by her own admission to the general public was 'in love' with. He had a wife who stalked a married man (Hoare) and was herself a home-wrecker - in public. Charles never mentioned Camilla once - he admitted to adultery but never once spoke anyone's name in that connection, never once compromised anyone's privacy.

Together, Charles and Camilla present as a gracious and engaging couple imo. Charles is always conscious of where Camilla is. Camila knows her place is by his side or slightly back, not ahead of him. They are a pleasure to watch. JMO.

Camilla leaked stories to the Sun for a few years--according to the Sun Editor himself. She was hardly the discreet woman you paint her as. She was married to APB and had an affair with Prince Charles even before Diana came on the scene.  Charles friends went to the media and leaked stories about Diana. He just let his friends to the dirty work before he himself did it in 1994 to his biographer.

Diana was spoken ill of by CHarles in 1994. Do you remember the 1994 biography by Dimbleby. He spoke to the PRince. The PRince humiliated Diana by telling his biographer he was "forced" to marry her. A real gentleman.

And excuse me? Diana should have been loyal to the Prince?. Where was His loyalty to her? He brought along little gifts from his mistress and wore them on his honeymoon. And riches and privileges do not mean the man should be emotionally abusive to his own wife which Charles was. Free Passville for the Prince I see.

There is no proof that Diana "took a lover" in 1985. And Diana was not "linked with a lover" since 1987. You seem to just believe this to defend C and C.

There are two sides to every story and if you want to believe all of C and C spin it's your choice. Why not read up and try to see the other side of the story.

APB divorced his wife after Charles interview n 1994. Charles said he was unfaithful to Diana and the next day a courtier who worked for Charles Named the "other woman" as Camilla. Charles also praised his married mistress to the skies via his biographer. Charles named Camilla and APB could not continue the marriage under those circumstances and C and APB were divorced in early 1995.

Hoare never confirmed or denied an affair. Wharfe said Hoare pursued Diana and was besotted with her for a time and DIana did not "chase him"--he chased her.. Hoare also had a mistress and a wife. Diana went to her grave before confirming or denying anything. So how can you throw stones at Diana when you have no clear proof of your accusatiions. Diana also denied to Settelen she was not intimate with Mannakee and I believe her.

I don't see these two as a "pleasure to watch." I see Charles as a weak morally bankrupt Prince and she someone who behaved dishonorably and got what she wanted by immoral behavior.  If he had not been who he is I doubt she would have given him the right time. It seems that some buy into the spin even to disparaging a dead woman who happens to still be the mother of a future King something thankfully Camilla never will be.

Charles admitted he married Diana knowng he preferred someone else (via his biographer). Diana was only 20 when they got married.  I think it was shameful of him and Camilla was there pushng Diana to be his bride so she could still be "in control" and interfere in the marriage.

And Camilla "loyal.?" Please. The woman cheated on her first husband and did not show any loyalty to him. But she had ambitions and she manipulated and maneuvered herself to where she is today. I find her gross.


Title: Re: Charles & Camilla Relationship
Post by: rogue on September 17, 2012, 12:02:51 pm
^ :worship: :worship: :worship: :worship: :worship: :worship:

I try to stay out of these threads for a reason but you nailed it once again  :thumbsup:


Title: Re: Charles & Camilla Relationship
Post by: sandy on September 17, 2012, 06:53:46 pm
"I like Camilla. She has never once spoken an ill-word about Diana " (in reply to this statement in earlier post by Claire)

Something I missed in other post. A letter came into the public domain where Camilla called Diana "that ridiculous creature."  I think that was only the tip of the iceberg. If she had any liking for Diana, she would have dropped Charles totally after he got engaged to Diana.

Walking next to or behind Charles does not mean she should be up for sainthood. She still cheated on her husband, broke up another woman's marriage and I don't think she wanted to let go of her sugar daddy his marriage to someone else notwithstanding. She also chose Diana for Charles to marry because she thought Diana would not spoil her "special times" with the Prince.

I think there is something wrong with this picture when the dead first wife is slammed to try to praise the other woman. I think Camilla manipulated and schemed her way to the top and Charles is truly pathetic and lost any sense of right and wrong when he got involved with that woman.


Title: Re: Charles & Camilla Relationship
Post by: Mooster on September 17, 2012, 09:32:53 pm
I do think that Charles atrocious behaviour towards Diana has prevented his sons from making good marriages - most of the decent girls see what the Windsor family are capable of, and what Diana (and Fergie) had to endure and quite rightly steer clear.  That is why we have Camilla and Kate to look forward to as our future Queens  :ick:


Title: Re: Charles & Camilla Relationship
Post by: Kuei Fei on September 17, 2012, 09:44:02 pm
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most of the decent girls see what the Windsor family are capable of, and what Diana (and Fergie) had to endure and quite rightly steer clear.

This is what I will never understand about Windsors (and many other royals); they treat nice women that most men would kill for like garbage, then act surprised that later on, women (who would have been fabulous assets) are smart enough to avoid the next generation of princes like plague.


Title: Re: Charles & Camilla Relationship
Post by: dianab on September 22, 2012, 01:17:26 am
Quote from: Claire
He had a wife who stalked a married man (Hoare) and was herself a home-wrecker - in public.

Quote from: Sandy
Hoare never confirmed or denied an affair. Wharfe said Hoare pursued Diana and was besotted with her for a time and DIana did not "chase him"--he chased her
For all is out there about this matter what I do believe is fair says there was NOTHING one-sided between Hoare & Diana as WASNT between Charles & Camilla.
He had a mistress from 1986-1990, not when he & Diana get together in 1991. If his wife was bothered then they should be divorced before he & Diana get together.

As for Ken Wharfe, I quite remember his book tell he discovered for himself about their affair and said dont believed Hoare reciprocated the feelings of Diana and state in book Diana confided in him adored Hoare and she longed for his attention, she was completely in love with him in his view/for what he witnissed. Who said Hoare was besotted with Diana was his former chauffeur who state Diana used call him 20 times for day and Hoare reciprocated HER feelings. And Lady Bowker (close friend that Hoare introduced to Diana) said the same thing the chauffeur. I dont think Ken Wharfe is reliable he was caught in lies for his colleagues & even for Charles's syncophant, Colin Trimming who boss of Ken Wharfe. Talking for myself I have ZERO issues with Diana have been in love with others men and have relationships with them. The woman was trapped in living a lie I dont see any reason because she shouldn’t have loved others men. I dont think the story she was talking was simply my husband cheated on me but yes when she was a naive girl was led on for a older man who wanted she breed his heirs and the fact she wanted call off the engagement only talks to me what really existed between her & Charles. She married more out pressure, immaturity & lack of support than anything else and Charles for selfishness and sense entitlement than anything else.
Unfortunately the fairy-tale never existed. Was everything a arragement for the future king get his heirs.
IMO I do think Diana only became infautuated/involved with Charles because she never had boyfriend before and her family driven her. And Charels only courted her because Camilla wanted. I think all that people behind this mess had none sense of reality or were so blind for royalty because this all mess seems more something from 1890s than 1980s -lol-
And unfortunately, the sons of Diana & Charles also are a mess.


@Claire
The fact that Charles courted, engaged & married Diana only because Camilla was advising him because if she (Camilla) had seen any defect/fault in Diana, he (Charles) would have dropped her (Diana). Tells me a lot about him & Camilla. IMO Charles & Diana were driven to each other, detail: Charles was driven for HIS MISTRESS. Sorry, I can not respect people with sort of character of Camilla & Charles. I dont likes people used/taken advantage of others for his/her own convenience  :thumbsdown:

I always think the arrogance of Camilla dont allowed her see the naivete of Diana wouldnt have an long-live and was related she dont spend much time with Charles (& Camilla, she was always there). I always thinks if Camilla had an insider in that Fleet street guys that followed Lady Di in London, Camilla would have open her eyes on how inconvenient Diana would became to her & Charles.

People talks a lot about Lady Fermoy, Queen-Mother, Phillip, the Queen, Johnnie Spencer et al but the truth IS:
Camilla had more influence on Charles than all of this people together. She's RESPONSABLE for that mess have happened. I really do beleive what exist between Charles & Camilla isnt one-sided she never put a gun in his head for him keeps her in his life #FACT#
 
For all what I read only human being had more influence on Charles than Camilla was Mountbatten. But what the man died ... I do think this was biggest luck Camilla had in life ... I'm NOT saying she whished, planned or help he dies ... but what I'm saying is with Mountbatten alive her future as mistress of future king hadnt big hopes. She & Andrew would have put through with each other.

I always read Andrew P-B was in love with his 2nd wife a pretty good time before he ask a divorce, anyone here have idea/imagine how he would have can divorced Camilla without Dimbleby thing or with Mountbatten alive?

@Mooster @Kuei Fei
I understand what you said and even agree to an certain extent but really I dont think people in that family so such different from generation to generation. I think only change the times, be heir or spare they're all a bunch spoiled who likes get his/her own way and blame is always of someone else. IMO
 :flower:


Title: Re: Charles & Camilla Relationship
Post by: Kuei Fei on September 24, 2012, 06:16:36 pm
One thing this who triangle has taught me is that if you love a guy, just wait until you are married; I think seeing Diana go off in glory with Charles as her husband, while Camilla was sidelined, tells me that Camilla didn't want to just be a discarded memory. In fact, if anything, just wait until you are married.


Title: Re: Charles & Camilla Relationship
Post by: sandy on September 25, 2012, 03:59:14 pm
Quote from: Claire
He had a wife who stalked a married man (Hoare) and was herself a home-wrecker - in public.

Quote from: Sandy
Hoare never confirmed or denied an affair. Wharfe said Hoare pursued Diana and was besotted with her for a time and DIana did not "chase him"--he chased her
For all is out there about this matter what I do believe is fair says there was NOTHING one-sided between Hoare & Diana as WASNT between Charles & Camilla.
He had a mistress from 1986-1990, not when he & Diana get together in 1991. If his wife was bothered then they should be divorced before he & Diana get together.

As for Ken Wharfe, I quite remember his book tell he discovered for himself about their affair and said dont believed Hoare reciprocated the feelings of Diana and state in book Diana confided in him adored Hoare and she longed for his attention, she was completely in love with him in his view/for what he witnissed. Who said Hoare was besotted with Diana was his former chauffeur who state Diana used call him 20 times for day and Hoare reciprocated HER feelings. And Lady Bowker (close friend that Hoare introduced to Diana) said the same thing the chauffeur. I dont think Ken Wharfe is reliable he was caught in lies for his colleagues & even for Charles's syncophant, Colin Trimming who boss of Ken Wharfe. Talking for myself I have ZERO issues with Diana have been in love with others men and have relationships with them. The woman was trapped in living a lie I dont see any reason because she shouldn’t have loved others men. I dont think the story she was talking was simply my husband cheated on me but yes when she was a naive girl was led on for a older man who wanted she breed his heirs and the fact she wanted call off the engagement only talks to me what really existed between her & Charles. She married more out pressure, immaturity & lack of support than anything else and Charles for selfishness and sense entitlement than anything else.
Unfortunately the fairy-tale never existed. Was everything a arragement for the future king get his heirs.
IMO I do think Diana only became infautuated/involved with Charles because she never had boyfriend before and her family driven her. And Charels only courted her because Camilla wanted. I think all that people behind this mess had none sense of reality or were so blind for royalty because this all mess seems more something from 1890s than 1980s -lol-
And unfortunately, the sons of Diana & Charles also are a mess.


@Claire
The fact that Charles courted, engaged & married Diana only because Camilla was advising him because if she (Camilla) had seen any defect/fault in Diana, he (Charles) would have dropped her (Diana). Tells me a lot about him & Camilla. IMO Charles & Diana were driven to each other, detail: Charles was driven for HIS MISTRESS. Sorry, I can not respect people with sort of character of Camilla & Charles. I dont likes people used/taken advantage of others for his/her own convenience  :thumbsdown:

I always think the arrogance of Camilla dont allowed her see the naivete of Diana wouldnt have an long-live and was related she dont spend much time with Charles (& Camilla, she was always there). I always thinks if Camilla had an insider in that Fleet street guys that followed Lady Di in London, Camilla would have open her eyes on how inconvenient Diana would became to her & Charles.

People talks a lot about Lady Fermoy, Queen-Mother, Phillip, the Queen, Johnnie Spencer et al but the truth IS:
Camilla had more influence on Charles than all of this people together. She's RESPONSABLE for that mess have happened. I really do beleive what exist between Charles & Camilla isnt one-sided she never put a gun in his head for him keeps her in his life #FACT#
 
For all what I read only human being had more influence on Charles than Camilla was Mountbatten. But what the man died ... I do think this was biggest luck Camilla had in life ... I'm NOT saying she whished, planned or help he dies ... but what I'm saying is with Mountbatten alive her future as mistress of future king hadnt big hopes. She & Andrew would have put through with each other.

I always read Andrew P-B was in love with his 2nd wife a pretty good time before he ask a divorce, anyone here have idea/imagine how he would have can divorced Camilla without Dimbleby thing or with Mountbatten alive?

@Mooster @Kuei Fei
I understand what you said and even agree to an certain extent but really I dont think people in that family so such different from generation to generation. I think only change the times, be heir or spare they're all a bunch spoiled who likes get his/her own way and blame is always of someone else. IMO
 :flower:

Morton wrote that Diana backed off from Hoare after he left his wife. He thought her ambivalent about Hoare and once he left his wife it became more serious and what would she do now. He maintains that Diana did back off.

I honestly don't believe Diana was madly in love with Hoare. I think it was more a security thing--where she needed comfort and affection from somebody. She broke up with Hewitt and she was vulnerable and needed attention. I don't think she even may have been "in love" with him in every sense of the word.


Title: Re: Charles & Camilla Relationship
Post by: dianab on September 25, 2012, 06:50:33 pm
What you described about Hoare is exactly as I thinks she feels about Khan and reasons because she involved with him & because she left him. Before jumped in me, read about her during the year of 1995 and during the process of divorce (lasted even end 8/1996), include what her lawyers said she was very much depressed, down and vulnerable.
(With Hewitt, people around her said was obvious the positive difference he made in her life -include her health-, that's one of reasons I believe they truly loved each other and not becasue she was wiling get attention of Charles.)
Then after the divorce she started prepare the auction and involved in landmines cause that help her became an secure woman together with fact she was free for be herself away of restraints of royal family.
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I do think Diana had intense and deep feelings for Oliver Hoare.

Then why Diana made all of that calls to him (if she dont wanted him)?


Barry Hodge, his former chauffeur & Lady Bowker said he cameback to his home because he wanted... Lady Bowker talked the episode/row that made Hoare came to his wife. Elsa Bowker indeed said they had "great love" for each other (are her own words) and also tell as Diana used arrive in her apartment crying & sobbing when had rows with Hoare and when had doubts if he reciprocated her feelings. Was he who introduced Diana to Elsa Bowker and she said one of reasons was for they could have a safe house for their meetings. She broke-up with James Hewitt because SHE WANTED, only read his books. What seem when he was back to London in mid-1991 and Diana broke-up she already was seeing Hoare. Sorry but I dont see nothing evidences on the opposite, at least, Diana fell hard for Oliver Hoare - he was the only boyfriend who break-up with her (Lady Bowker also said as it happened), with Hewitt & Khan was Diana in controll of situation as with others persons she wanted out of her life. (Patrick Jephson -mostly in him-, Ken Wharfe & James Hewitt describe very well in their books as Diana never let go of anyone unless she was good and ready, and when she was they were cut adrift completely, the first step was change her phone. Jephson said that was typical royal behavior in this situations and Hewitt said witnessed this behavior in Diana but dont imagined would happens with him too.)
If she hadnt in another relationship I dont think she would break-up with James Hewitt. When she was still in love with Hewitt she was sending letters to him and after a certain time stopped and changed her phone.

Andrew Morton cited a UNnamed source ...
(I choice read about the whole situation and see what made sense or not ... that about reliability not be favorable or not...) ....I also dont likes unnamed sources, particlularly when contradicts named people ... for me thats looks more as spin than facts, evidence... Oh, Andrew Morton never met Diana -lol-

Do you really not noted that was part of his spin Diana was afraided involves 100% with a man? I do note when I'm reading a book with spin/hidden agenda. The books pro-Charles-Camilla are Diana is mad-house-case-neurotic-woman ...

In Sarah Bradford book is Diana the damaged with cause, with obssessive and undying love for Charles (a man only wanted her as broodmare and never had any feelings for her), and Queen & Philip were enormously supportive but she was unstable and erratic because it she dont saw and accepted the help (read:accept live a lie), the words of anyone else is more reliable than hers. And Diana also dont know what made with her life and dont know what she wanted behind Her True Story & Panoram interview
Who read the stories as she handle the press know she hadn't very much vocation for idiot and had her own mind with what she wanted for her life.

@Kuei Fei
I understand your point but I dont think Charles someday would sidelined Camilla, only if there was another woman (mistress) in his life and I dont think Camilla wanted Charles with another steady mistress. Oh, Charles never would get along with the glory of Diana or whatever other person being wife or not. Camilla understand it becasue it she's there of this years and I do believe she give her OK to Diana because she know Diana & Charles not meant be...


Title: Re: Charles & Camilla Relationship
Post by: sandy on September 25, 2012, 07:35:10 pm
I think Diana was very needy at the time. I read that Hoare was trying to help her cope with Charles and Camilla relationship. He probably was a very soothing presence to Diana at the time and she came to depend on him more and more. I don't see the phone calls as stalking I see them as a cry for help from somebody who was a shoulder to cry on and who helped her cope. I think he cared for her and she for him. But I don't think he was a great love for her, she did get over him and moved on. I did read that all the calls did not come from Diana. Had he been a great love, I think she would have moved heaven and earth to get together with him, especially when he moved out of the home he shared with his wife.


Title: Re: Charles & Camilla Relationship
Post by: serene grace on October 26, 2012, 12:35:24 am


So Charles had an affair with Princess Madeliene's future mother in law. Just how many women did Charles sleep with during his years with Diana and with Camilla? If he was so in love with Camilla why was he having an affair with this woman?
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/femail/article-2223019/Princess-Madeliene-Sweden-announces-engagement-British-American-banker-New-York-proposal.html
 
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 :-  Charles and Eva apparently met at a polo match and started an affair in 1986, when his marriage to Princess Diana was starting to break down. ========================================================================================


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Title: Re: Charles & Camilla Relationship
Post by: YooperModerator on October 26, 2012, 03:44:57 am
Because he's royal and a manwhore I guess, screwing everything that isn't gone by the count of three  :o


Title: Re: Charles & Camilla Relationship
Post by: RedRabbit on December 30, 2012, 11:36:50 am
There's plenty of misery, sloppiness and all-around grossness to go around.  If Diana was banging married men then she's just as gross as the rest of them.  Regardless of her possible motives, the bottom line was she didn't care for those men's wives any more than Camilla cared for her.

I think Charles and Camilla have met their matches in each other and are content with each others' messy history and behavior.  Rather than a wedge, it's a bonding point with them.  I think they're genuinely happy with each other.


Title: Re: Charles & Camilla Relationship
Post by: sandy on December 30, 2012, 09:11:54 pm
I don't see C and C as a Great Romance but something very sordid. He did not apparently think her "good enough" to marry way back when and have his heirs. He didn't have this can't live without her love that his great uncle had for Wallis Simpson. Charles lost his moral compass and thought it OK because of who he is to be with married women (and he was involved with Kanga Tryon as well). Camilla I see as a schemer totally manipulative and out for herself. She coveted what Diana had and got it by undercutting and undermining Diana from the get go. CHarles made himself obligated to Camilla by naming her. I think they are stuck with each other. Camilla is the cat that got the cream and Charles can be "happy at last" (though I doubt he's that happy with her). She has kept her home to retreat to which gives them some breathing space.

As for knocking Diana, I think that had CHarles really been a true husband and ditched his mistress or Camilla said goodbye to Charles for good, Diana and Charles could have made a go of it--and I doubt Diana would have looked at another man. SHe adored Charles at the begnning and he was not really workng on the marriage, save to get his heirs. There is no proof of "affairs" that Diana had wth married men. Carlng denied one took place, Hoare never commented. Diana admitted to her affair with Hewitt. But Charles pretty much abandoned Diana and left the marriage bed after Diana delivered the heir and spare. Divorce was strongly discouraged--had Diana not been married to the heir I think she would have divorced CHarles and moved on. SHe could have lived like a nun and watched Charles go to his mistress for sex but she was only 24 when CHarles ditched her so she decided to seek comfort elsewhere.

Charles effectively doomed the marriage or any hopes for marriage when he felt it was "OK" to sleep with married women and have the mistress as part of his marital plans.


Title: Re: Charles & Camilla Relationship
Post by: June on December 31, 2012, 04:49:32 am
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Excellent response, Sandy.  :thumbsup:


Title: Re: Charles & Camilla Relationship
Post by: Jane23 on December 31, 2012, 08:51:13 am
There is no proof he slept with Cam before 1986 funnily enough the year Saint Di began sleeping with Hewitt!!! The whole bunch agree all the sleeping around began in 1986!!! So I wouldn't talk about any of those people having "moral compass" Chuck slept around, Cam slept around, Di slept around , Cam's husband Nr.1 made it his job to cheat on her and James Hewitt slept with a married woman who was to be his Queen so "moral compass" REALLY?


Title: Re: Charles & Camilla Relationship
Post by: Snokitty on December 31, 2012, 03:12:54 pm
Charles was sleeping with married women many years before 1986 and Camilla was one of those women.


Title: Re: Charles & Camilla Relationship
Post by: sandy on December 31, 2012, 03:17:11 pm
There is no proof he slept with Cam before 1986 funnily enough the year Saint Di began sleeping with Hewitt!!! The whole bunch agree all the sleeping around began in 1986!!! So I wouldn't talk about any of those people having "moral compass" Chuck slept around, Cam slept around, Di slept around , Cam's husband Nr.1 made it his job to cheat on her and James Hewitt slept with a married woman who was to be his Queen so "moral compass" REALLY?

Charles himself told his authorized biographer the times he was intimate with Camilla: before she married APB, after she married APB in the late seventies, and when the marriage to Diana became "irretrievably broken down." The man admitted it himself. Which is Proof. Kanga Tryon told the press that she and Charles were intimate while she was married. Diana did not "sleep around"--she had an affair with Hewitt from 1986 to 1989 and again in 1991. She admitted this. Sleeping around implies bed hopping. Charles and Diana by various definitions did not "sleep around." Camilla had affairs and was considered "mistress material" for Charles by Charles' great Uncle Mountbatten and apparently Charles himself. Men with some sense of morality move on after their girlfriends marry elsewhere. Charles apparently thought it "OK" to be with married women and he is supposed to be eventually Head of the Church.


Title: Re: Charles & Camilla Relationship
Post by: Jane23 on December 31, 2012, 03:28:44 pm
^ So Di cheating on her husband and sleeping with other men that weren't Hewitt and were MARRIED isn't sleeping around? This is hilarious!!!


Title: Re: Charles & Camilla Relationship
Post by: sandy on December 31, 2012, 03:39:28 pm
Charles admitted it to his biographer and you don't believe him? Sleeping around means multiple partners, like a different person each night. Charles supposedly did not sleep with anybody but Camilla after he resumed his affair and Diana did not by her admission sleep with anybody else but Hewitt (ca. 1986-1989; 1991) after Charles dumped her for his mistress. THere is no account of Diana having multiple partners (and going from bed to bed to different men) and had she done so surely Charles spinners would have used this as ammo. What C and D did  is not "sleeping around" but it is called cheating on a spouse. Charles did sleep with Janet Jenkins at the time he was "with" Camilla but that still is not sleeping around since he did not have one night stands with random women., CHarles started the downward spiral by not giving up the mistress, it caused a vicious circle where Charles dumped his wife for Camilla, Diana was left by Charles and she chose to take up with another man. Charles was also emotionally abusive to her and made her feel like dirt. Had Charles behaved honorably and really worked on the marriage I doubt Diana would have strayed. Plus nobody forced Camilla to stay with APB, they cheated on each other before they married and Camilla was not a babe in the woods so I doubt there was much surprise when both continued the same way after they married. She could have divorced APB and not put up with the cheating. Diana OTOH was stuck in the marriage since divorce was discouraged. Had she had more freedom to leave the marriage I think she would have early on and moved on.


Title: Re: Charles & Camilla Relationship
Post by: discoveryme on January 01, 2013, 12:46:59 am
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Charles admitted it to his biographer and you don't believe him? Sleeping around means multiple partners, like a different person each night. Charles supposedly did not sleep with anybody but Camilla after he resumed his affair and Diana did not by her admission sleep with anybody else but Hewitt (ca. 1986-1989; 1991) after Charles dumped her for his mistress. THere is no account of Diana having multiple partners (and going from bed to bed to different men) and had she done so surely Charles spinners would have used this as ammo. What C and D did  is not "sleeping around" but it is called cheating on a spouse. Charles did sleep with Janet Jenkins at the time he was "with" Camilla but that still is not sleeping around since he did not have one night stands with random women., CHarles started the downward spiral by not giving up the mistress, it caused a vicious circle where Charles dumped his wife for Camilla, Diana was left by Charles and she chose to take up with another man. Charles was also emotionally abusive to her and made her feel like dirt. Had Charles behaved honorably and really worked on the marriage I doubt Diana would have strayed. Plus nobody forced Camilla to stay with APB, they cheated on each other before they married and Camilla was not a babe in the woods so I doubt there was much surprise when both continued the same way after they married. She could have divorced APB and not put up with the cheating. Diana OTOH was stuck in the marriage since divorce was discouraged. Had she had more freedom to leave the marriage I think she would have early on and moved on.


Sandy I have  been reading your post and IMUST admit i have never seen someone so enamored
with these people's personal life...I don't often post here so I will  say what I came here to say. Charles NEVER loved Diana and at the end of the day it is not Camilla's fault, Charles and camilla had a relationship before he ever considered Diana as his bride, and if he loved Camilla or cheated with other women thorughout his marraige you can't blame Camilla for it, it was his choice, he was a grown man, he chose to marry Camilla, he chose to do whatever he can to be with her knowing he was married to Andrew Parker Bowles, one of of his friend, he and Diana should have NEVER Married because Charles was not interested in her....plain and simple.Charles did not give Camilla up because he didn't want to, It was his choice and he doesn't seem to be mourning over it, he seems pretty content. Let this hatred go, *despise* is a “terrible disease” as my grandma used to say and a wise man once said “Never waste a minute thinking about people you don't like.”


Title: Re: Charles & Camilla Relationship
Post by: Jane23 on January 01, 2013, 03:28:55 pm
^  :goodpost:


Title: Re: Charles & Camilla Relationship
Post by: sandy on January 01, 2013, 04:02:49 pm
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Charles admitted it to his biographer and you don't believe him? Sleeping around means multiple partners, like a different person each night. Charles supposedly did not sleep with anybody but Camilla after he resumed his affair and Diana did not by her admission sleep with anybody else but Hewitt (ca. 1986-1989; 1991) after Charles dumped her for his mistress. THere is no account of Diana having multiple partners (and going from bed to bed to different men) and had she done so surely Charles spinners would have used this as ammo. What C and D did  is not "sleeping around" but it is called cheating on a spouse. Charles did sleep with Janet Jenkins at the time he was "with" Camilla but that still is not sleeping around since he did not have one night stands with random women., CHarles started the downward spiral by not giving up the mistress, it caused a vicious circle where Charles dumped his wife for Camilla, Diana was left by Charles and she chose to take up with another man. Charles was also emotionally abusive to her and made her feel like dirt. Had Charles behaved honorably and really worked on the marriage I doubt Diana would have strayed. Plus nobody forced Camilla to stay with APB, they cheated on each other before they married and Camilla was not a babe in the woods so I doubt there was much surprise when both continued the same way after they married. She could have divorced APB and not put up with the cheating. Diana OTOH was stuck in the marriage since divorce was discouraged. Had she had more freedom to leave the marriage I think she would have early on and moved on.


Sandy I have  been reading your post and IMUST admit i have never seen someone so enamored
with these people's personal life...I don't often post here so I will  say what I came here to say. Charles NEVER loved Diana and at the end of the day it is not Camilla's fault, Charles and camilla had a relationship before he ever considered Diana as his bride, and if he loved Camilla or cheated with other women thorughout his marraige you can't blame Camilla for it, it was his choice, he was a grown man, he chose to marry Camilla, he chose to do whatever he can to be with her knowing he was married to Andrew Parker Bowles, one of of his friend, he and Diana should have NEVER Married because Charles was not interested in her....plain and simple.Charles did not give Camilla up because he didn't want to, It was his choice and he doesn't seem to be mourning over it, he seems pretty content. Let this hatred go, *despise* is a “terrible disease” as my grandma used to say and a wise man once said “Never waste a minute thinking about people you don't like.”

I am entitled to expressing opinions without other posters getting personal which I think you are doing. This IS a discussion board and we are all free to express opinions here.

I think you are givng Charles and Camilla a lot of free passes. It takes two to tango and Charles and Camilla I think were equally to blame. Nobody forced Camilla to cheat on her husband and be involved wth the Prince. Both Camillaa and Charles made their choices and they were grown ups not children. So if you think Charles was "not interested in Diana" then how do you excuse his courting Diana and proposng to her and marrying her. Last I checked, men who are not interested in a woman do not court, propose or marry them. He pursued and asked Diana out not the other way around.


You are ascribing mlotives to me that don't exist. Why not stick to the topic instead of getting personal? I don't "*despise*" them but I don't glorify them or bestow sainthood on them or make excuses for them.


Title: Re: Charles & Camilla Relationship
Post by: Snokitty on January 01, 2013, 04:28:45 pm
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Charles admitted it to his biographer and you don't believe him? Sleeping around means multiple partners, like a different person each night. Charles supposedly did not sleep with anybody but Camilla after he resumed his affair and Diana did not by her admission sleep with anybody else but Hewitt (ca. 1986-1989; 1991) after Charles dumped her for his mistress. THere is no account of Diana having multiple partners (and going from bed to bed to different men) and had she done so surely Charles spinners would have used this as ammo. What C and D did  is not "sleeping around" but it is called cheating on a spouse. Charles did sleep with Janet Jenkins at the time he was "with" Camilla but that still is not sleeping around since he did not have one night stands with random women., CHarles started the downward spiral by not giving up the mistress, it caused a vicious circle where Charles dumped his wife for Camilla, Diana was left by Charles and she chose to take up with another man. Charles was also emotionally abusive to her and made her feel like dirt. Had Charles behaved honorably and really worked on the marriage I doubt Diana would have strayed. Plus nobody forced Camilla to stay with APB, they cheated on each other before they married and Camilla was not a babe in the woods so I doubt there was much surprise when both continued the same way after they married. She could have divorced APB and not put up with the cheating. Diana OTOH was stuck in the marriage since divorce was discouraged. Had she had more freedom to leave the marriage I think she would have early on and moved on.


Sandy I have  been reading your post and IMUST admit i have never seen someone so enamored
with these people's personal life...I don't often post here so I will  say what I came here to say. Charles NEVER loved Diana and at the end of the day it is not Camilla's fault, Charles and camilla had a relationship before he ever considered Diana as his bride, and if he loved Camilla or cheated with other women thorughout his marraige you can't blame Camilla for it, it was his choice, he was a grown man, he chose to marry Camilla, he chose to do whatever he can to be with her knowing he was married to Andrew Parker Bowles, one of of his friend, he and Diana should have NEVER Married because Charles was not interested in her....plain and simple.Charles did not give Camilla up because he didn't want to, It was his choice and he doesn't seem to be mourning over it, he seems pretty content. Let this hatred go, *despise* is a “terrible disease” as my grandma used to say and a wise man once said “Never waste a minute thinking about people you don't like.”

It is called informed not enamored. Every person in the world is responsible for their own actions and that means that Camilla also has to take her share of the responsibility for what happened. Camilla and Charles were selfish because it harmed Diana, APB, William and Harry and Camilla's children. What Charles likes about Camilla is that she Mothers him which makes him a child instead of a spouse.

He married her because his taxes were being investigated but he can't do that now and they are being investigated again. I guess it is to bad that she can't give him a child to avoid the investigation this time.   :tehe:

Charles was interested in Diana even if it was just lust and they both said in the beginning that they were happy.

Sandy is more informed about C&D than anyone I have read comments from on any forum. I would rather listen to someone who has done their research.

Calling someone a "*critical person*" means there are no facts to back up one's arguments.


Title: Re: Charles & Camilla Relationship
Post by: True Brit on January 01, 2013, 04:38:20 pm
Great posts ^ Snokitty and ^^ Sandy.  :worship:

There appear to be a small number of snipers around at the moment for reasons known only to themselves but "*critical person*" is the hallmark of those who have lost all grasp on logic, argument and the facts.



Title: Re: Charles & Camilla Relationship
Post by: Alexandrine on January 01, 2013, 04:45:28 pm
Sandy I have  been reading your post and IMUST admit i have never seen someone so enamored
with these people's personal life...I don't often post here so I will  say what I came here to say. Charles NEVER loved Diana and at the end of the day it is not Camilla's fault, Charles and camilla had a relationship before he ever considered Diana as his bride, and if he loved Camilla or cheated with other women thorughout his marraige you can't blame Camilla for it, it was his choice, he was a grown man, he chose to marry Camilla, he chose to do whatever he can to be with her knowing he was married to Andrew Parker Bowles, one of of his friend, he and Diana should have NEVER Married because Charles was not interested in her....plain and simple.Charles did not give Camilla up because he didn't want to, It was his choice and he doesn't seem to be mourning over it, he seems pretty content. Let this hatred go, *despise* is a “terrible disease” as my grandma used to say and a wise man once said “Never waste a minute thinking about people you don't like.”

Your message is rude. You cannot come here and say what another poster should or shouldn't do. Do not make personal comments about the other posters.

This forum is place to talk about royals so discussing the personal life of royals is a given.

 


Title: Re: Charles & Camilla Relationship
Post by: scarlett on January 01, 2013, 06:58:44 pm
I second that, TB. Great posts sandy and Snokitty! I haven't commented much in this forum, but I have enjoyed reading your comments here. I also agree with snokitty that sandy is much informed about the relationship between C/D and I look forward to reading her posts on the subject.


Title: Re: Charles & Camilla Relationship
Post by: discoveryme on January 01, 2013, 07:26:02 pm
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I am entitled to expressing opinions without other posters getting personal which I think you are doing. This IS a discussion board and we are all free to express opinions here. I think you are givng Charles and Camilla a lot of free passes

And I am ENTITLED to express mine... I wasn't getting personal.


I am not giving them a free pass...they were selfish, but so was Andrew and Diana...you seem to GIVE Diana a free pass...infact you bestow sainthood on her...


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Camilla and Charles were selfish because it harmed Diana, APB, William and Harry and Camilla's children

I hope you get your information right then, APB was a serial cheater who cheated on his wife throughout his marriage and his second wife was one his many women, he was also a selfish man, so was Diana who later cheated.


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Your message is rude. You cannot come here and say what another poster should or shouldn't do. Do not make personal comments about the other posters.

This forum is place to talk about royals so discussing the personal life of royals is a given.

I am not being rude just giving my OPINION like everyone else.


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So if you think Charles was "not interested in Diana" then how do you excuse his courting Diana and proposng to her and marrying her. Last I checked, men who are not interested in a woman do not court, propose or marry them. He pursued and asked Diana out not the other way around.

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Charles was interested in Diana even if it was just lust and they both said in the beginning that they were happy.

When a man is asked if he's in love with his bride on his engagement and he replies "WHATEVER IN LOVE MEANS,'' he does not and did not love his bride.


Title: Re: Charles & Camilla Relationship
Post by: Alexandrine on January 01, 2013, 07:37:21 pm
No your message is rude because you are giving an opinion about other poster, not giving an opinion about royals. Personal opinions are not welcome in this forum. 

I think it's quite easy to see the difference.


Title: Re: Charles & Camilla Relationship
Post by: sandy on January 01, 2013, 07:38:49 pm
Discovery me lin answer to your statements re C and C

Diana was human and I never said she was a saint. But at the same time she is demonized and slammed  to try to excuse the behavior of Charles and Camilla. I think Charles and Camilla were selfish and if they had this "Great Love" they should have kept Diana out of it, even though Charles wanted his own heirs to succeed him. I blame C and C more because they brought Diana into this and Camilla had helped Charles choose Diana.

Camilla dated APB for 6 years and the two cheated on each other. Unless she was in total denial she knew the man and should not have been totally surprised that he continued cheating. But it did not give her carte blanche to sleep wth the Prince--she should have let the Prince work on his marriage and if she could not stand being married to APB, divorced him.  I do think that APB and Camilla had an open marriage and her relationship with the prince benefitted HIM as well--he is still in royal circles and invited to royal events.


What Charles said back then "whatever in love means" was not interpreted as anything "dire." Had the two not broken up I doubt it would have been brought up. YOu didn't answer my post--if Charles was not interested in her why did he pursue her, propose to her and marry her? I think he was attracted to her and saw her as a pedigreed suitable girl that could give him heirs. He just thought she'd put up with his having the mistress on the side and assumed she could be "taught" to share CHarles with Camilla.  Diana was a young girl who thought this man was marrying her for love.  Should Diana have been cynical that Charles "didn't mean" his wedding vows to her?


Title: Re: Charles & Camilla Relationship
Post by: discoveryme on January 01, 2013, 08:46:33 pm


I apologise for the personal attack from my first post...

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But it did not give her carte blanche to sleep wth the Prince--she should have let the Prince work on his marriage and if she could not stand being married to APB, divorced him

Charles should have been the FIRST one that should have back off from Camilla since she married before him and of course Camilla should have said no to the relationship later on. It also did not give Diana the RIGHT to sleep with Hewitt or other men since her husband was cheating, she should have divorced him earlier. Charles didn't want to work on his marriage and that was choice, no one else but his.

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If Charles was not interested in her why did he pursue her, propose to her and marry her? I think he was attracted to her and saw her as a pedigreed suitable girl that could give him heirs?


that was his biggest mistake but this was a norm in the circle he grew up in...Diana grew up in these circle and she KNEW exactly what she was getting her self into, i find it hard to believe that she didn't....this is where I do not sympathize with her. When i find out my husband has pictures of his ex on my honeymoon, I would not stay and have 2 kids with him, I would leave, so what her face was on the tea towels, she could have called it off and i believe there would been some anger over her decision but it would pass eventually, she was 19 years old, at 19 you should know when a man isn't very interested in you...however since her children would be monarch, she stayed...do you think Diana would have been interested in Charles if he was just a normal guy?

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I do think that APB and Camilla had an open marriage and her relationship with the prince benefitted HIM as well--he is still in royal circles and invited to royal events.

Many people in that circle had and still have open marriages, it's not suprising they had one

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Diana was a young girl who thought this man was marrying her for love.  Should Diana have been cynical that Charles "didn't mean" his wedding vows to her?

You seriously mean to tell me Diana married a future King like all the previous Kings and thought it was for love after meeting him for what 13 times....they have been YOUNGER  brides who handled their problems better, for example Catherine de' Medici. Diana was given materials to know about marrying into the family, if she refused to pay attention to these, who's fault is that?

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What Charles said back then "whatever in love means" was not interpreted as anything "dire."

The quote was a warning sign, but it was erased of course to keep the "fairy tale" going.
Charles should have answered yes if he loved her....
In 2005 he was asked the same question if he was in love with Camilla, "I'm very much in love with Camilla", he said
Here is is the article: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-340048/Charles-Im-love-Camilla.html


Title: Re: Charles & Camilla Relationship
Post by: Jane23 on January 01, 2013, 10:26:18 pm
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Title: Re: Charles & Camilla Relationship
Post by: Snokitty on January 02, 2013, 01:17:32 am
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Charles was interested in Diana even if it was just lust and they both said in the beginning that they were happy.

When a man is asked if he's in love with his bride on his engagement and he replies "WHATEVER IN LOVE MEANS,'' he does not and did not love his bride.

Or it could be that the man doesn't want to get all emotional and personal in front of the press. You make it sound as if Charles hated Diana, told her he hated her and she said "I will marry you anyway". Your theories only work with what Charles said in his "Rehabilitate Camilla campaign" but no with what actually occurred at the time.

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You seriously mean to tell me Diana married a future King like all the previous Kings and thought it was for love after meeting him for what 13 times....they have been YOUNGER  brides who handled their problems better, for example Catherine de' Medici. Diana was given materials to know about marrying into the family, if she refused to pay attention to these, who's fault is that?

I think the world has progressed a lot more in their thinking about what is acceptable behavior since Catherine De Medici. I have also seen people who fall in love with less than 13 meetings.
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she was 19 years old, at 19 you should know when a man isn't very interested in you

There are many 19 year old girls who have been duped by an older man into doing something that was not good for them but worked out well for him. Diana being 19 means that she did not run in Charles's circles so NO she would not have any idea what he was expecting.

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APB was a serial cheater who cheated on his wife throughout his marriage and his second wife was one his many women, he was also a selfish man, so was Diana who later cheated.

Regardless of whether Andrew cheated or not doesn't mean that he was not hurt by C&C's affair. He became a world wide laughingstock because of it not only from his own peers but also from his children's peers.

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I hope you get your information right then,

I was actually hoping you might be open to reading Sandy's post to better inform yourself.

When a marriage is over but the decree has not been finalized that doesn't mean there is a marriage to be faithful to, so Diana being with Hewitt is nowhere near the same thing as C&C being together before, during and after the marriage ended. If it had not been for their affair who knows if the marriage would have ended.



Title: Re: Charles & Camilla Relationship
Post by: sandy on January 02, 2013, 02:03:57 am


I apologise for the personal attack from my first post...

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But it did not give her carte blanche to sleep wth the Prince--she should have let the Prince work on his marriage and if she could not stand being married to APB, divorced him

Charles should have been the FIRST one that should have back off from Camilla since she married before him and of course Camilla should have said no to the relationship later on. It also did not give Diana the RIGHT to sleep with Hewitt or other men since her husband was cheating, she should have divorced him earlier. Charles didn't want to work on his marriage and that was choice, no one else but his.

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If Charles was not interested in her why did he pursue her, propose to her and marry her? I think he was attracted to her and saw her as a pedigreed suitable girl that could give him heirs?


that was his biggest mistake but this was a norm in the circle he grew up in...Diana grew up in these circle and she KNEW exactly what she was getting her self into, i find it hard to believe that she didn't....this is where I do not sympathize with her. When i find out my husband has pictures of his ex on my honeymoon, I would not stay and have 2 kids with him, I would leave, so what her face was on the tea towels, she could have called it off and i believe there would been some anger over her decision but it would pass eventually, she was 19 years old, at 19 you should know when a man isn't very interested in you...however since her children would be monarch, she stayed...do you think Diana would have been interested in Charles if he was just a normal guy?

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I do think that APB and Camilla had an open marriage and her relationship with the prince benefitted HIM as well--he is still in royal circles and invited to royal events.

Many people in that circle had and still have open marriages, it's not suprising they had one

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Diana was a young girl who thought this man was marrying her for love.  Should Diana have been cynical that Charles "didn't mean" his wedding vows to her?

You seriously mean to tell me Diana married a future King like all the previous Kings and thought it was for love after meeting him for what 13 times....they have been YOUNGER  brides who handled their problems better, for example Catherine de' Medici. Diana was given materials to know about marrying into the family, if she refused to pay attention to these, who's fault is that?

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What Charles said back then "whatever in love means" was not interpreted as anything "dire."

The quote was a warning sign, but it was erased of course to keep the "fairy tale" going.
Charles should have answered yes if he loved her....
In 2005 he was asked the same question if he was in love with Camilla, "I'm very much in love with Camilla", he said
Here is is the article: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-340048/Charles-Im-love-Camilla.html

It should be remembered that it was not easy for Diana to dvorce Charles early on. She couldn't just go get a divorce. She probably would have lost a lot of access to Wllam and Harry had she tried to leave the marriage. She was told that there could be "no divorce" and indeed divorce was discouraged back then.  Charles was the future hope of the monarchy and it was drummed into him that he could not repeat the mistakes of his great uncle and be forced to give up the throne and he eeded to achieve a marriage with a suitable girl and was discouraged from marrying a divorcee or someone wth a past. Techncally though Charles did not have to marry I think Charles wanted to marry so his heirs and not his brother's would be directly in line to the throne. It took years for the Wales to be able to divorce and four years after the 1992 separation for them to obtainn the final decree.

Diana got pregnant on the honeymoon so it would hardly be easy for her to "bolt" carrying the next heir to the throne. THe children they had belonged to the Crown and theoretically the Queen could override both Charles and Diana in decisions about their children.

Diana was years younger than Charles and had spent time abroad and was not in Charles' same social circles and until she started datng Charles did not meet Camilla or Charles friends. She was not privy to what went on in Charles' like his friends were. Camilla was presented to her as the "safe" married friend who "approved of" her and Diana spent weekends wth Charles at the Parker Bowleses.

Why Catherne de MEdici? She was always second to her husband's mistress who always had a place nn court until Henri passed on. I don't think Catherine de Medic really was able to despatch the mistress until after years of suffering. She was not exactly a happy woman ambitious but her glorous plans for her sons came to nothing as they all one after another died at relatively young ages And we are talkng about centures ago when women were more or less chattel and had no optons but to put up with the husband's philandering. SUpposedly C and D got married in more enlightened times for women who are no longer expected to suffer because hubby wants a mistress.

Charles did not say at the engagement interview, No I don't love her I'm usng her as a broodmare. He was thought to be beng "philosophical" about the nature of love by some commentators.  He apparently sweet talked Diana and he was attracted to her and very tactile. There are some photographs of the two vacationing in early 1982 and they did not know the cameras were on them and they were very tactile and affectionate wth each other. I think Charles gave the impression to Dana that he didi love her and I think flattered by Diana's adoration of him.

You say that "many people" in the circle had "open marriages" so why do you criticize Diana for seekiig comfort elsewhere. Charles rejected her in a humiliating way and put her down even publicly. Normally a woman could divorce the husband but in Diana's case  as the wife of a senior royal she had to stay in the facade of a marriage for years.  Camilla OTOH could have gotten a divorce if she wasn't happy wth her husband. But her being mistress to the Prince did brng advantages to the Parker Bowleses clan, even APB got an invite to the C and C marriage.

Did you really expect Charles to say whatever in love means with his second wife? He got criticized for this so why would he repeat the same mistake. or bring echoes of what he said in his first engagement intervew and remind people of hs first wife? Charles outed Camilla as his mistress and became more or less obligated--her father shouted at him for naming his daughter and forcing the PBs to divorce. Charles spent a lot f $$$ on spin to try to whitewash the sordidness. He was hardly going to say anything to jeopardize his pretty picture her created of their relationship. I do think Charles great love is himself and if faced with a choice between Camilla and the throne he'd choose the throne. He didn't think the "Great Love" good enough to ,marry back then and produce his heirs which is why he married Diana as the first wife. Had he really loved Camilla he would have married her and did whatever it took to marry her and chose her in the first place to have his heirs.


Title: Re: Charles & Camilla Relationship
Post by: sandy on January 02, 2013, 02:20:53 am
To add to this, Charles accepted the precepts of his great uncle to sow wild oats first then marry the virginal girl of no experience. If he really loved Camilla before she married APB I think he would have put her up on a pedestal and not treated her like someone just to sow wild oats with. And he should have realized that because of who he is, he can't continue his relationship with her after she married someone else and if he wanted to achieve a good marriage with the suitable girl dropped and I mean dropped the mistress and not try to remain" friends" with her. I think Camilla had and has more of a sexual hold on the prince but is an expert manipulator and schemer. She didn't get where she is today by beiing "nice" or "considerate". I think she was always out for herself and always will be.


Title: Re: Charles & Camilla Relationship
Post by: Jane23 on January 02, 2013, 03:42:13 pm
My two cents on C & C are that when they first met they got it on like a house on fire great sex, incredible friendship but Cam wasn't on top of the list to become his wife and she moved on to marry first and to talk him into marrying Di (those are not the actions of a woman who wants to achieve what some think she wanted to achieve) I think as their respective marriages went down the tubes they began their relationship again and never left each others side ever since I say good for them ...as for Cam in particular I think she was the Chelsy Davy of her time fun, knew how to show a man a good time (if you know what I mean) , intelligent BUT a "free spirit" who liked the perks of being in his inner circle but found the life his wife had to live boring she is also not someone who is vain and craves attention like Kate so she didn't want that life for herself I doubt she would have ever married Chuck if given a choice she was fine with being his partner behind the scenes ...


Title: Re: Charles & Camilla Relationship
Post by: Alexandrine on January 02, 2013, 03:53:43 pm
Many do not believe the 1986 story

this article is very interesting

Camilla never wanted to marry Charles

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-460872/Camilla-wanted-marry-Charles.html


Title: Re: Charles & Camilla Relationship
Post by: Snokitty on January 02, 2013, 03:55:29 pm
Intelligence and being deviously manipulative are not the same thing.

Camilla has always been ambitious for someone's money just like Kate is. She started with Charles to make APB jealous because he is the one she really wanted. The reason she is still involved with APB is because he has always been the one she wanted.

I agree about Camilla being the type who wants to service her men in the you know what department but I guess if you are as ugly as she is then you need some kind of extra edge.   :tehe:


Title: Re: Charles & Camilla Relationship
Post by: Jane23 on January 02, 2013, 04:21:45 pm
I wouldn't call this ugly  :dontknow:...


http://24.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_mapxygm3go1rp574ho1_500.jpg




Title: Re: Charles & Camilla Relationship
Post by: Snokitty on January 02, 2013, 04:23:26 pm
I would call that an ugly woman all dressed up.


Title: Re: Charles & Camilla Relationship
Post by: sandy on January 02, 2013, 04:23:53 pm
My two cents on C & C are that when they first met they got it on like a house on fire great sex, incredible friendship but Cam wasn't on top of the list to become his wife and she moved on to marry first and to talk him into marrying Di (those are not the actions of a woman who wants to achieve what some think she wanted to achieve) I think as their respective marriages went down the tubes they began their relationship again and never left each others side ever since I say good for them ...as for Cam in particular I think she was the Chelsy Davy of her time fun, knew how to show a man a good time (if you know what I mean) , intelligent BUT a "free spirit" who liked the perks of being in his inner circle but found the life his wife had to live boring she is also not someone who is vain and craves attention like Kate so she didn't want that life for herself I doubt she would have ever married Chuck if given a choice she was fine with being his partner behind the scenes ...


I hope Chelsy doesn't turn out like Camilla. Heaven help her if she does. Camilla knew that Charles could not marry a divorcee back then and she could not marry him. She was married with two children when she started to promote Diana and "befriended her." She knew though she had an inside track with the Prince and had no intention of giving him up in any way shape or form. She met him at the hunts and kept in contact with him and even on his honeymoon the two conversed by phone. She never really was out of his life. And he never lost contacty with her. If she were sincere about promoting Diana as Charles' bride she would have backed off and I mean backed off totally--no sending little trinkets to his honeymoon, no calls no contact no nothing. She should have sent Charles packing to his wife when he started whining and complaining. Camilla had a lot to lose if she let Charles out of her life, power prestige as the power behind the throne and would be stuck with her husband and not have the perks she once had. She was not about to give Charles up. She chose  IMO Diana because she thought Diana could be "trained" to be compliant and be civilized like APB was.

For one who doesn't "crave attention," Camilla wears clothes (those garish hats) that scream Look At ME. And she always grins for the cameras even at Memorial services. She loves the perks and tiaras and bling the alleged "shrinking violet" did not have to say yes to Charles if she hated the lifestyle. She undermined the wife and helped erode the Wales marriage and did this quite willingly. She even got the bling while she was a mistress to the Prince and the adulation of Charles pals even hostessing Dinner Parties while Diana was away.


 I don't say Good for Them I say they were a pair of selfish people who didn't care who they hurt in the process. I don't think Charles is "happy at last" I think they are stuck with each other.


Title: Re: Charles & Camilla Relationship
Post by: Jane23 on January 02, 2013, 04:49:17 pm
^ It's not a crime to keep in contact with a friend which is what they were at the time ...I find it unfair and incorrect to blame it all on Cam he was a grown man he married his first wife out of his sense of duty Cam had nothing to do with it not working because there was nothing there to begin with to make it work it was basically an arranged marriage he was at a age he had to marry and Di's family gladly worked it out for her to be The Future Queen of England (let's not kid our self) and we had the disaster that was The Wales marriage ...bottom line is he didn't love Diana period and some need to get over it !!! Yes it's stupid he married her no question about that but what is done is done .


Title: Re: Charles & Camilla Relationship
Post by: Snokitty on January 02, 2013, 04:59:18 pm
If that friend is also your Mistress then you aren't really being respectful to the new bride and it is a very bad idea anyway but then Charles is known for having very bad ideas.

I remember when they courted and married and what you are saying isn't what the reality was but more along the lines of what you heard in the "Rehabilitate Camilla Campaign".


Title: Re: Charles & Camilla Relationship
Post by: Jane23 on January 02, 2013, 05:39:55 pm
^ The actual affair began in 1986 the same year Di was sleeping with Hewitt so ...one can argue C & C had an "emotional affair" before that but she wasn't his mistress before 1986 and those who say otherwise can't prove me wrong...if they can I welcome them to provide proof ...


Title: Re: Charles & Camilla Relationship
Post by: discoveryme on January 02, 2013, 06:11:20 pm
^ It's not a crime to keep in contact with a friend which is what they were at the time ...I find it unfair and incorrect to blame it all on Cam he was a grown man he married his first wife out of his sense of duty Cam had nothing to do with it not working because there was nothing there to begin with to make it work it was basically an arranged marriage he was at a age he had to marry and Di's family gladly worked it out for her to be The Future Queen of England (let's not kid our self) and we had the disaster that was The Wales marriage ...bottom line is he didn't love Diana period and some need to get over it !!! Yes it's stupid he married her no question about that but what is done is done .

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Title: Re: Charles & Camilla Relationship
Post by: FrillyKnickers on January 02, 2013, 06:38:08 pm
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Title: Re: Charles & Camilla Relationship
Post by: sandy on January 02, 2013, 08:45:54 pm
^ The actual affair began in 1986 the same year Di was sleeping with Hewitt so ...one can argue C & C had an "emotional affair" before that but she wasn't his mistress before 1986 and those who say otherwise can't prove me wrong...if they can I welcome them to provide proof ...

Camilla IMO was and is a manipulator and she knew the right buttons to push re: the Prince. If a man knows that another woman is available to him and the same woman that was his mistress it is not easy to work on a marriage. Charles told Dimbleby he was intimate with Camilla AFTER she married APB so apparently APB was OK with it and CHarles could "see" Camilla while she was married to another man. There are pics of the three of them out on the town together. Kanga told the press that she was intimate wth CHarles while she was married to someone else--during the time Camilla was having her babies with APB and not "available" for Charles. Once Kanga served her purpose Camilla saw to it that the Prince dropped her. I think Charles had a concept of marriage that it would all work out--his young wife would have their heirs and want to befriend Camilla and be civilized when Charles wanted to spend time with Camilla. He had it all worked out--Diana would be there for ceremonial purposes and for childbearing and he could have Camilla on the side. IT speaks volumes that Charles did not choose Camilla to be his first wife and the mother of his heirs. I ithink he saw her as good enough to sleep with but not good enough to marry which makes me cynical about the "great love."

I also don't get the apparent wanting of people to believe he didn't love Diana (see Discoveryme's posts)--this is more a knock against Charles than Diana. Charles if he knewhe did not love Diana had no business marrying her. I think it odd to blame Diana for accepting his proposal while giving Charles a free pass for deceiving her.


Title: Re: Charles & Camilla Relationship
Post by: Snokitty on January 02, 2013, 09:35:15 pm
I guess some women will be alright when their husbands have an affair and will just do as they are told and let the affair go on because after all the man is the important one and the woman has no feelings or thoughts on her own marriage's inner workings. They can just tell themselves that he never did love them anyway and that will make it all better. Then they can provide him with children while he is giving lavish gifts to his Mistress. I guess some women feel as if the female is a second class citizen and so whatever the man does is wonderful and should be accepted.


Title: Re: Charles & Camilla Relationship
Post by: Jane23 on January 02, 2013, 09:35:44 pm
@sandy  Give me a break will you? Di knew all about Camilla the stones knew all about Camilla girl was 19 not stupid why do you think she cried twice in public before the wedding? Chuck and Di knew from the get go it couldn't work but both were pulled in , talked into going through with the wedding...I never said he didn't "care" about Di but he wasn't in love with her how could he? They met like 2 times before the engagement ...as for C & C did it ever occur to you that maybe just maybe it was Cam who didn't want to marry him?  8)


@ Snokitty  Hmmm...Isn't it exactly what Di did?


Title: Re: Charles & Camilla Relationship
Post by: Stephanie on January 02, 2013, 09:46:30 pm
Good posts above.
My 2 cents on the matter.
I do think C and D loved each other in the beginning.
Having met only 13 times doesn't matter if it is love at first sight for the both of them.
No grown man in his thirties is getting married just because of the pressure.
I think he was smitten with D because she was sweet, funny, beautiful and a virgin. That appeals to many men.
I think he wanted to act fast before anyone else could take her off the market.
D on the other hand had never had a boyfriend and zero experience with men whatsoever.
When you are 19 and a handsome prince(PC looked good at that age) is pursuing you and gives you attention including sexual attention I think all logic goes overboard.
Especially for a romantic girl like D.

Personally I think the flimsy base they had could have grown to love in a more mature way if C had been completely out of the picture.
I don't think C cheated with her in the early days but you could call it some kind of emotional "cheating" if you will.
D felt threatened by it, wanted it to stop and rightly so.
C probably didn't see what he was doing wrong because no physical cheating took place at that point.
Diana was very young and insecure because of her upbringing and wanted to reach C , even in in negative way.
C didn't know how to deal with it, started seeking advice from friends including a " friend" like C.
And with a manipulating person like C. from that moment on your mariage is toast.


Title: Re: Charles & Camilla Relationship
Post by: Snokitty on January 02, 2013, 10:12:56 pm
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@ Snokitty  Hmmm...Isn't it exactly what Di did?

No that is not what Diana did that is what Charles's fans think she should have done. If Diana had just accepted C&C's plan then none of the things that followed would have happened.

A 19 year old is not as world wise as a 30 year old not on this planet anyway.

@Stephanie   :thumbsup:

Cheating emotionally is just as hurtful and just as bad as cheating physically is.


Title: Re: Charles & Camilla Relationship
Post by: sandy on January 03, 2013, 08:17:42 pm
@sandy  Give me a break will you? Di knew all about Camilla the stones knew all about Camilla girl was 19 not stupid why do you think she cried twice in public before the wedding? Chuck and Di knew from the get go it couldn't work but both were pulled in , talked into going through with the wedding...I never said he didn't "care" about Di but he wasn't in love with her how could he? They met like 2 times before the engagement ...as for C & C did it ever occur to you that maybe just maybe it was Cam who didn't want to marry him?  8)


@ Snokitty  Hmmm...Isn't it exactly what Di did?
Give you a break? I'm just as much entitled to my opinion as you are.

That said. Diana was 19, Charles 32--they did not travel in the same circles for obvious reasons. Kanga for example knew about Camilla and others in his circle did. Diana was living with flatmates and being a teacher and nanny and had her own circle of friends. Diana also spent time abroad going to finishing school. This is all well documented. There were no reports of her hanging out with Charles and his buddies prior to Charles asking her out in 1980.  Charles "vetted" Lady Diana to see what hsi friends thought--had she been part of his circle why would he have had to do that? She met Charles when he was dating her sister, but briefly and Charles hardly said to her Hey I love Camilla and I am not marrying her for love. Charles was not stupid. He wanted the suitable girl and did not want to scare her off by "revealing all."

Why is Charles spared criticism by you for asking her out, proposing and marrying her? Diana is blamed for "asking for it" which I think is not a fair criticism of her to say the least.

There are sources that say Camilla would have married Charles had he asked her. If she didn't want him she would not have strayed from her marriage which I think she did for her own advancement. Had he been Charles Jones I doubt she'd have given him the right time. And in any case, Camilla didn't have a chance to say yes or no because the man didn't think her suitable enough back then to ask her to marry him.


Title: Re: Charles & Camilla Relationship
Post by: Kuei Fei on January 03, 2013, 08:56:42 pm
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I don't think C cheated with her in the early days but you could call it some kind of emotional "cheating" if you will.
D felt threatened by it, wanted it to stop and rightly so.
C probably didn't see what he was doing wrong because no physical cheating took place at that point.
Diana was very young and insecure because of her upbringing and wanted to reach C , even in in negative way.
C didn't know how to deal with it, started seeking advice from friends including a " friend" like C.

This is an illustration of what is wrong with these princes these days. Charles should have had a brain and realized that for all that Camilla could say she didn't care, I believe that Camilla did care and Charles should have seen an inappropriate connection between his former mistress being so fascinated with his marriage. No woman is content to be a mistress and these days, thanks to marriages meaning next to nothing, good women can be dropped like a hot stone for the mistress. Charles didn't use his stupid brain and see that it wasn't just his marriage, ti was his position that was beginning to disintegrate. He was allowed to run from his problem instead of being made to face it like a man. Sane women want their husbands to themselves and I believe that Diana symbolized a lot of women who had been tossed off for tarts, hence the vitrolic viewpoint of this 'relationship.'


Title: Re: Charles & Camilla Relationship
Post by: Jane23 on January 03, 2013, 10:11:19 pm
^ Camilla is no tart come on now  :sly:...and again he wasn't in love with Di he loved another woman some need to get over it ...


@ sandy I said he made a mistake marrying Di he should have never married her it was a huge mistake that can't be changed he can't go back and not marry her so what it the point of going on and on about it? We can't know what Prince Charles wanted or what he thought Camilla was good for because we can't read his mind and personally I can't read his mind back in the 70's given that I was born in 1984  lol...what I do know is that he went through a lot to be with her !!! And again some really need to accept he wasn't in love with Di period!!! It could have been Camilla, Jane whoever it doesn't matter you can't break the will of a man in love which he wasn't!!! You can't break a happy home!!! I find the notion that if it wasn't for Cam they would have had a happy marriage laughable especially given that it comes from people who say he cheated on Di with women who weren't Cam...


Title: Re: Charles & Camilla Relationship
Post by: Snokitty on January 03, 2013, 10:23:43 pm
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We can't know what Prince Charles wanted or what he thought Camilla was good for because we can't read his mind and personally I can't read his mind back in the 70's

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And again some really need to accept he wasn't in love with Di period!!!

I was really believing you (Not Really) but then your argument became contradictory. It is like you are saying we can't possibly know but that you can.

Charles and Diana were happy when they first married, they both have said they were so maybe you need to just get over it and accept the truth that Charles holding onto Camilla was the catalyst that destroyed that marriage.


Title: Re: Charles & Camilla Relationship
Post by: Alexandrine on January 03, 2013, 10:55:17 pm
Charles, Camilla and Diana are more than public figures, their behaviour influences the future of the monarchy and church of England.

The discussion about them will continue to happen now and will appear in the history books in the future.

Historians still argue about past relationships about royals, illegitimate children and the like and even if it happened five hundreds years ago they still discuss it!

Charles' past won't go away and it influences his future.

With all of this I want to say that people should look at the bigger picture, calm down and stop making personal comments about other posters.

 :flower:


Title: Re: Charles & Camilla Relationship
Post by: Snokitty on January 03, 2013, 11:00:09 pm
 :sorry:  but I was getting tired of being told to get over it. I don't live for these people but I do know my perspective of what happened.   :sorry:

I will try to play nice.  :tehe:


Title: Re: Charles & Camilla Relationship
Post by: Kuei Fei on January 03, 2013, 11:01:31 pm
For all of Diana's lovers, she never let it distract her from her work and only got embarrassed by Hewitt, but there it is. However, she never dared let it push her around and she kept her lovers in their place. For all her complaints, none of them bashed Charles publicly in the press (to my knowledge); none of them leaked horror stories about how Charles was insane or unfaithful. Sarah Bradford pointed as much out. Diana's official life was kept official and she did her duty.

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We can't know what Prince Charles wanted or what he thought Camilla was good for because we can't read his mind and personally I can't read his mind back in the 70's
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And again some really need to accept he wasn't in love with Di period!!!
I was really believing you (Not Really) but then your argument became contradictory. It is like you are saying we can't possibly know but that you can.

Charles and Diana were happy when they first married, they both have said they were so maybe you need to just get over it and accept the truth that Charles holding onto Camilla was the catalyst that destroyed that marriage.

To me they could have gone about this, but Camilla kept insinuating herself into his official life as well as private. It wasn't enough to be his lover, she had to take it upon herself to end up leaking to the press about Diana's 'madness' and other antics, which wasn't helping, it only escalated things, making Diana retaliate all the more.

The minute Camilla presumed to involve herself, that is when Charles should have put Camilla in her place or dropped her completely.


Title: Re: Charles & Camilla Relationship
Post by: Snokitty on January 03, 2013, 11:04:57 pm
 :thumbsup:  Diana did the royal role much better than Camilla has.


Title: Re: Charles & Camilla Relationship
Post by: FrillyKnickers on January 04, 2013, 03:27:53 am
Charles, Camilla and Diana are more than public figures, their behaviour influences the future of the monarchy and church of England.

The discussion about them will continue to happen now and will appear in the history books in the future.

Historians still argue about past relationships about royals, illegitimate children and the like and even if it happened five hundreds years ago they still discuss it!

Charles' past won't go away and it influences his future.

With all of this I want to say that people should look at the bigger picture, calm down and stop making personal comments about other posters.

 :flower:

^^THIS^^ :thumbsup: :thumbsup: :thumbsup: :thumbsup: :thumbsup: :thumbsup: :thumbsup: :thumbsup: :thumbsup:


Title: Re: Charles & Camilla Relationship
Post by: sandy on January 04, 2013, 04:16:20 pm
^ Camilla is no tart come on now  :sly:...and again he wasn't in love with Di he loved another woman some need to get over it ...


@ sandy I said he made a mistake marrying Di he should have never married her it was a huge mistake that can't be changed he can't go back and not marry her so what it the point of going on and on about it? We can't know what Prince Charles wanted or what he thought Camilla was good for because we can't read his mind and personally I can't read his mind back in the 70's given that I was born in 1984  lol...what I do know is that he went through a lot to be with her !!! And again some really need to accept he wasn't in love with Di period!!! It could have been Camilla, Jane whoever it doesn't matter you can't break the will of a man in love which he wasn't!!! You can't break a happy home!!! I find the notion that if it wasn't for Cam they would have had a happy marriage laughable especially given that it comes from people who say he cheated on Di with women who weren't Cam...

Marriages should not have interference by third parties regardless of the motto you can't break up a happy marriage. There IS something called Marriage Counseling. A husband can cheat on his wife and the two go for counseling and restore the marriage and oust the third party. There is a vow called "let no man put asunder." Camilla was in the marriage from the get go undermining Diana and even sending Charles trinkets on his honeymoon. She had a lot riding on the marriage breaking up. She did not try to save the marriage by sending Charles packing back to his wife. And yes,happy homes can be broken if the man is weak enough and there is a scheming person on the side out to wreck the marriage. I guess a wife has to make darn sure she makes her hubby "happy enough" or adultery is OK and the man is fair game to a homewrecker.  That is not what marriage is about, having to compete with a scheming woman who wants the marriage to fail.

Charles if he didn't love Diana had no business marrying her in the first place and blamng Diana is a cop out because she  allegedly "asked for it." He should have dumped his mistress and worked on the marriage. Charles hardly went to her and said he was in love with another woman, didn't "know" if he loved the wife to be, and told Diana of the misery he would put her through. He wanted the suitable wife to give him heirs and Camila didn't fill the bill as far as he was concerned. I don't see that as all encompassing love if Charles didn't fight for Camilla and marry her before she married APB. ANd nobody "forbade" him to marry her he never told his biographer that he asked permission to marry Camilla. Nor was there any evidence of his proposing to her and being turned down.


Title: Re: Charles & Camilla Relationship
Post by: AnaBolena on January 04, 2013, 06:32:55 pm
I am one who is able to appreciate both C and D for their own personailities.  I also think they both had massive big emotional problems, and both before they even walked down that isle.

To blame one or blame the other this long after borders on hysteria IMO.  Many are blinded on both sides because of their adoration of that particular person be it C or D - but fact - they both did deeds I would be ashamed to do with children.

However, I can appreciate them as individuals.

Camilla was the woman C always loved - and not you, I or anyone can ever change that. 

Diana did know before marrying Charles that he still cared for Camilla.  She could have run from that wedding and no one would have blamed her.  I wish she had, but I also wish it could be seen that at the worst case scenario - had Camilla, who is so villified, physically murdered Diana in a fit [humor me  :tehe: ] she would not serve the long penalty in a prison that she has done publicly due to hysteria over Diana - and no one forced Diana into a seedy guys car, either - and no one forced Charles to go with Camilla after marriage, and no one forced Diana to sleep around.

They each had choices - and so do we.  We are human.  We make mistakes.  Some of us forgive.


Title: Re: Charles & Camilla Relationship
Post by: Snokitty on January 04, 2013, 06:45:15 pm
We are all human and we all do make mistakes but not necessarily on the same level.

I don't believe Charles has always been in love with Camilla IMO that took a lot of years. Did he have a need for Camilla, yes but it was more of the need to be Mothered. Camilla played Charles in the same way that Kate played William.

I actually like Camilla better than Spineless Charles but they did both do the things they did and came up with the plan to use a 19 year old girl as a brood mare. Whether Diana slept around will never change that fact.

Every action brings about a reaction especially in Humans and the things Diana did was a reaction to the actions of Charles and Camilla.


Title: Re: Charles & Camilla Relationship
Post by: Kuei Fei on January 04, 2013, 07:55:55 pm
Charles had a lot of gall expecting her to mother him while ignoring her own inner void and needing love and affection. He is a fully grown man who should be looking after his own emotional needs and not relying on a teenager to be a mother/wife/Consort all in one. Just one is hard enough, but all three is impossible. Camilla could pull it off because she only had to be a motherly figure/sexpot who didn't have the duties and demands that Diana had. Camilla also didn't have to put up with the protocol and the constant adjustments and her kids were hers entirely, they didn't also belong to the royal family.

I find it an irony that Camilla is now costing him a fortune in jewels, homes (her own private one no less), couture, and suchlike while botoxing her face. I cannot imagine just how utterly ironic it is. He's forking over so much and he might as well have stayed married to Diana (about who he complained in regards to expenses).

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don't believe Charles has always been in love with Camilla IMO that took a lot of years.

Yeah; Charles had numerous affairs with other women, even while he was supposedly head over heels with Camilla. As for Diana, I wish they wouldn't had held her responsible for her parent's divorce, it's a horrible thing for someone to have to put up with. I don't blame her for wanting to be looked after, after all she even had to support her father as she walked up the aisle.


Title: Re: Charles & Camilla Relationship
Post by: CathyJane on January 04, 2013, 08:23:51 pm
Well chucky wanted cammie and he's got her; he just didn't bargin on having to shell out millions and millions to keep her happy.  :thumbsup:


Title: Re: Charles & Camilla Relationship
Post by: Snokitty on January 04, 2013, 08:28:12 pm
I think he married her to stop them looking into his taxes and that makes it even funnier because now they are looking at his taxes again so I wonder which mistress he can marry this time to avoid it.    :laugh:


Title: Re: Charles & Camilla Relationship
Post by: dianab on January 04, 2013, 09:03:44 pm
IMO Charles was looking for a broodmare, just it. If he wasn't, then there will be none need to he take the suitable girls to met and spend time with Kanga or Camilla. For this reason his marriage with Diana - or whoever another girl that Charles could marry believing he wanted a wife and have a family - was doomed and ill-fated. If the her father or another person had supported her, Diana would have call-off the whole mess but I do understand for 19-years-old girl wasnt easy call-off that whole state affair and imo she went ahead with the whole thing out the pressure. I agree what existed between Charles & Diana was a mistake but for me Charles & Camilla were fully aware of their actions (they were playing with the life and feelings of 19-years-old girl) and dont cared. Charles & Camilla wanted someone else who dont mind their affair, they definitely picked the wrong person, I think their arrogance played a big part on it.

I do think he's more in love with his position than he's/was with Camilla, Kanga, Janet Jenkins or whatever other experienced woman who know handle him (particularly his ego), I have none doubt about this.

I do believe if he had born the second son he would be even nowadays a happy bachelor with long-term mistresses and one of them being his offical companion and escort. Camilla is his favorite of all them, yes I believe in this. If back-then there wasnt a issue with the future king marry someone with past or even someone else divorced with children I dont doubt Charles would have proposed to Camilla but I really dont believe very much someday she longed be his wife. I do believe she was happy with his arragement with Andrew Parker-Bowles and he have divorced her I dont think is among biggest joys of her (Camilla) life. I dislike Camilla and would always as I dislike (and would always) Charles I do think they're disgusting people in feel entitled to ruined/played with the life and feelings of a young girl wasnt equal with them and they fully aware were taking advantage of a naive and inexperienced girl. I dont buy the Charles is a puppet of Camilla story, he give a gift (bracelet, right?) to her in eve of HIS wedding BECAUSE he wanted and he wore her gift in HIS honeymoon BECAUSE he wanted and he call her and everything BECAUSE he wanted, he bought a house in neighborhood of Camilla when courting his future wife because he wanted. If Camilla wasnt there/dont wanted him, Kanga, Janet Jenkings if she was living in Britain or whatever other woman would want him. I do think if Janet Jenkings was living in Britain, Camilla would have more worry than Diana in 1980s.


Title: Re: Charles & Camilla Relationship
Post by: sandy on January 04, 2013, 09:09:57 pm
I am one who is able to appreciate both C and D for their own personailities.  I also think they both had massive big emotional problems, and both before they even walked down that isle.

To blame one or blame the other this long after borders on hysteria IMO.  Many are blinded on both sides because of their adoration of that particular person be it C or D - but fact - they both did deeds I would be ashamed to do with children.

However, I can appreciate them as individuals.

Camilla was the woman C always loved - and not you, I or anyone can ever change that.  

Diana did know before marrying Charles that he still cared for Camilla.  She could have run from that wedding and no one would have blamed her.  I wish she had, but I also wish it could be seen that at the worst case scenario - had Camilla, who is so villified, physically murdered Diana in a fit [humor me  :tehe: ] she would not serve the long penalty in a prison that she has done publicly due to hysteria over Diana - and no one forced Diana into a seedy guys car, either - and no one forced Charles to go with Camilla after marriage, and no one forced Diana to sleep around.

They each had choices - and so do we.  We are human.  We make mistakes.  Some of us forgive.


This is an opinion board. I don't think such judgments that opinions are "bordering on hysteria" is a fair assessment. We are all entitled to express opinions here.


If Camilla was the only person Charles loved ( I think the only person he loved was and is himself) then he should have manned up and insisted on marrying her. I don't see it as a great love when the man thinks a woman is just good enough for sleeping with but not marrying. He apparently agreed with his Great Uncle that Camilla was good mistress material.


Charles had many women and some say he was "mad about" Anna wallace and Davina Sheffield. Some say  he was close to marrying Davina until her past came out to bite her.



Saying Diana "slept around" with no proof does show that you have a harsher opinion of her than C and C. There is zilch proof that she slept around---Diana was not some alley cat who slept with random men which is the definition of sleeping around. Incidentally Joan Rivers who is a C and C sycophant is the one who accused Diana of sleeping around. Reliable and fair source? I think not.



Some fairness is indicatedh here.



Diana "knew" Charles and Camilla were friends but no evidence exists that he told her Everything. The main thing that he would not honor his marriage vows and the mistress was always going to be part of the marriage. Why is Diana considered the villain for saying yes and Charles is spared? If the man loved Camilla and didn't love Diana and led her to believe he would be  honorable to her and she did tell her biographer  she believed he loved her--then Charles is the one clearly in the wrong here. Diana had she known ALL the facts most likely would have not married the man. Let's get real here.








Title: Re: Charles & Camilla Relationship
Post by: Stephanie on January 04, 2013, 09:55:24 pm
Look at this.
http://www.picstation.net/pictures/bca8157eaa0b280d11910949de981500.jpg
And this!
http://t3.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcQbWlOXU-Fj6Wad1e5w-TYcMMHnvIBjtIv6Ie9CjzMPWp96ppv0EQ
C. looks exactly like C's former nanny Mabel Anderson. :nervous:


Title: Re: Charles & Camilla Relationship
Post by: Snokitty on January 05, 2013, 02:22:13 am
  :thumbsup:   Bingo there is the attraction.    :thumbsup:   :laugh:


Title: Re: Charles & Camilla Relationship
Post by: CathyJane on January 05, 2013, 02:49:19 am
Ex-actly!!  :tehe:


Title: Re: Charles & Camilla Relationship
Post by: AnaBolena on January 05, 2013, 03:39:14 pm




This is an opinion board. I don't think such judgments that opinions are "bordering on hysteria" is a fair assessment. We are all entitled to express opinions here.

Where did I say "on this board"??  I am speaking generally, not personally.


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If Camilla was the only person Charles loved ( I think the only person he loved was and is himself) then he should have manned up and insisted on marrying her. I don't see it as a great love when the man thinks a woman is just good enough for sleeping with but not marrying. He apparently agreed with his Great Uncle that Camilla was good mistress material.

So are you saying Charles was born evil without a singular redeeming quality?


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Charles had many women and some say he was "mad about" Anna wallace and Davina Sheffield. Some say  he was close to marrying Davina until her past came out to bite her.

True - very true, but none held the charm as Camilla did - as he said "she in non negotiable".


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Saying Diana "slept around" with no proof does show that you have a harsher opinion of her than C and C. There is zilch proof that she slept around---Diana was not some alley cat who slept with random men which is the definition of sleeping around. Incidentally Joan Rivers who is a C and C sycophant is the one who accused Diana of sleeping around. Reliable and fair source? I think not.

No I do not have a harsher opinion of Diana than I do the others - the lot of them.  Maybe I was brought up differently and what she did would be called cheap in my circles as does what Charles and Camilla did as well.  Please you be fair now.  We were all raised differently and we have differing moral codes.



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Some fairness is indicatedh here.

On both sides, Sandy.  ;)



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Diana "knew" Charles and Camilla were friends but no evidence exists that he told her Everything. The main thing that he would not honor his marriage vows and the mistress was always going to be part of the marriage. Why is Diana considered the villain for saying yes and Charles is spared? If the man loved Camilla and didn't love Diana and led her to believe he would be  honorable to her and she did tell her biographer  she believed he loved her--then Charles is the one clearly in the wrong here. Diana had she known ALL the facts most likely would have not married the man. Let's get real here.

They were both in the wrong - most certainly Charles, but did Diana truly love Charles and fulfill his needs emotionally?  Apparently she feigned loving all the things he loved for a very short time - after the wedding she admitted she liked nothing that he did - refused to go and do all she did pre-wedding.   Mostly I can't blame her  - but to feign is deceptive.  She didn't get what she wanted and neither did he.  I cannot say that the marriage would have lasted even if no third parties entered the scene.  I don't think it would have.  Hasnat stated that no one man could ever be able to fulfill all her needs.   I believe that came quoted from him in the Diana Chronicles - which is all pro Diana.

Sandy et al, I am not anti-Diana, anti-Charles, anti-Camilla; please do not paint me that way if I have a differing viewpoint.  The bigger picture isn't pretty anywhere and yet all three have done massive amounts of good, and that is how I see them - for what good they do, and nothing else.

 











Title: Re: Charles & Camilla Relationship
Post by: sandy on January 05, 2013, 07:20:43 pm
AB, If you read my posts on other threads I have always commended Charles on his work ethic. I also said he and Diana were hands on parents. Read for yourself. I never said he had "no redeeming qualities." I see him as a flawed human being but some consider him above reproach and blame Diana for it all. I also objected to the contention that Diana "slept around. She did not by the definition of sleeping around.

Camilla became "non-negotiable after Charles named her and more or less became obligated. She was not non-negotiable to him before she married APB. Just for sleeping with.


Title: Re: Charles & Camilla Relationship
Post by: Snokitty on January 07, 2013, 12:08:23 am
royal whispers ‏@royalwhisper
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Found at Aunts home. Old clipping(Mirror) ofPrC. ex-girlfriends.No Camilla! http://twitpic.com/bt3j1d

http://d3j5vwomefv46c.cloudfront.net/photos/large/714001441.jpg?key=224320&Expires=1357518235&Key-Pair-Id=APKAIYVGSUJFNRFZBBTA&Signature=mZ2V3LGggWCnCrNkS~HJcPkfWKRVmlFpjPjCIZqTdGR~huxhukk0-8JMFnEqXxaWY~ljARomLZKOmiIsw~fwO3KrdmxVfJiM6BRsVRoCNSPIo0zzsz0Sh-MJDd6a-XtEwiy8cfswVVcdlCLVIouUQPIkesVUH1W42je2BwoCd3s_

I guess Charles hasn't always loved Camilla but used her as a hidden mistress.   :tehe:


Title: Re: Charles & Camilla Relationship
Post by: berlin on January 07, 2013, 12:12:08 am
Yep and some of them were his mistresses during his marriage too.


Title: Re: Charles & Camilla Relationship
Post by: AnaBolena on January 07, 2013, 04:18:36 pm
I never said Charles didn't have mistresses etc.  But I know when an opinion is not wanted, and that's ok too. I respect all your opinions. 


Title: Re: Charles & Camilla Relationship
Post by: Snokitty on January 07, 2013, 06:11:05 pm
AnaBolena I welcome your opinion always.

 :sorry:  I am sorry if my posts made you feel like that.



Title: Re: Charles & Camilla Relationship
Post by: June on January 07, 2013, 07:43:29 pm
I never said Charles didn't have mistresses etc.  But I know when an opinion is not wanted, and that's ok too. I respect all your opinions. 

Ana: your opinions are always wanted by me.  kisss This thread gets very heated. I must say that, although a loyal Diana fan, I enjoy reading it all.

I must chime in and also commend Sandy on her intricate knowledge of Diana and Charles.  :worship: You're phenomenal, Sandy - even if I disagree on occasion. Mostly, I think you are absolutely spot on.  :thumbsup:


Title: Re: Charles & Camilla Relationship
Post by: CathyJane on January 08, 2013, 03:00:27 am
I just can't like two people who knowingly hurt four innocent kids for no other reason than their own selfishness.


Title: Re: Charles & Camilla Relationship
Post by: Kuei Fei on January 08, 2013, 06:42:57 am
I'm still shocked he got to marry her, citing his 'human rights' as a man. He married a ridiculously blue blooded aristocrat from one of the finest families in the land and who was astoundingly beautiful and was so immensely talented in connecting with the people. Go figure, the RF had (still has) an insanely intensified entitlement complex that they treat such a woman as nothing better than rubbish. Even when Diana showed Princess Anne the respect that was due to her as a Princess, Anne looked down on it and threw it back in Diana's face, all supposedly because Anne fancies herself better than acknowledging courtesy and kindness.

Realistically, I believe that Charles should have been made to choose once and for all and go either way. He wouldn't have been missed if he had left and I believe that if he had officially and effectively moved Camilla from his life, that he would have been all the more respected because he might have focused on his sons.


Title: Re: Charles & Camilla Relationship
Post by: AnaBolena on January 08, 2013, 01:24:32 pm
^ Snokitty, nononono, it isn't you - it's me at the moment.  I'm hormanally challenged after giving birth :shy:, and this is a subject I have always liked but not from a viewpoint of deciding exactly who was right and who was wrong - be it C or D.    I truly appreciated Diana in many ways - most ways, but in others, not so much.  Charles did so much wrong it's a case of where do we start? 

I simply think the two were doomed and neither capable of fulfilling the needs of the other.   I look back in history and read of two very damaged souls who really belonged with someone other than each other.

Internet is very hard to discuss things because there is no body language or tone - just words which can appear cold or whatever, but there is no malice in me towards Diana at all - and not towards Charles either.   That's just me.  I can't hold hatred or dislike - I don't know why.  Strangely, I don't even think Diana would want that, and if she were alive she'd be way older than I and probably mature enough to have settled down and even become warm friends with her former husband. 

Thank you, June.  Sometimes being in the middle and not siding is harder than going with the crowd, but it's the old saying for me - to thine own self be true.

 Hugs girlies.  :hug:

 


Title: Re: Charles & Camilla Relationship
Post by: sandy on January 08, 2013, 02:29:12 pm
I'm still shocked he got to marry her, citing his 'human rights' as a man. He married a ridiculously blue blooded aristocrat from one of the finest families in the land and who was astoundingly beautiful and was so immensely talented in connecting with the people. Go figure, the RF had (still has) an insanely intensified entitlement complex that they treat such a woman as nothing better than rubbish. Even when Diana showed Princess Anne the respect that was due to her as a Princess, Anne looked down on it and threw it back in Diana's face, all supposedly because Anne fancies herself better than acknowledging courtesy and kindness.

Realistically, I believe that Charles should have been made to choose once and for all and go either way. He wouldn't have been missed if he had left and I believe that if he had officially and effectively moved Camilla from his life, that he would have been all the more respected because he might have focused on his sons.

I agree! This is what should have happened. Charles should have been made to choose, apparently he felt he could do whatever he wanted and show no respect for his young wife. The marriage IMO was doomed because Charles clung to his mistress and felt he could have it all. The compliant wife, the heirs, and the mistress and the wife would not dare to complain about the mistress because after all Charles is the Prince of Wales and above other mere mortals. I think had Charles been made to choose between Camilla and the throne he would have chosen the throne which I think achieving is the be all and end all of Charles' life. What was missing in the marriage to Diana was respect for her. Once Diana realized he had zilch respect for her and intended to do as he pleased the marriage was in effect doomed. It wasn't that it was doomed from the start--Charles still had a choice after he took the marriage vows. It was doomed after the marriage when Charles decided it was "OK" to be "friends" with and maintain contact with the mistress who IMO coveted all Diana had and was totally out for herself. A more compassionate woman would have told Charles you are married now, work on the marriage I am not going to see you again and no phone calls. The problem is she was totally out for number one and knew Charles' weaknesses--she did go to the Sun editor with "her side" of the story and put Diana down. The marriage was doomed because of Charles' and Camilla's selfishness and both being out for No. 1. I think Charles felt Diana should have felt it was honor enough that he chose her to marry and bear his heirs and should have tolerated all the rubbish from him because of who he is. Diana' "sin" was complaining about it. Charles ruthlessly shut out Kanga Tryon from his life and should have done the same with Mrs Parker Bowles. With her around, the marriage to Diana was effectively doomed.


Title: Re: Charles & Camilla Relationship
Post by: berlin on January 08, 2013, 06:35:49 pm
I think the marriage could have survived with Charles having mistresses other than Camilla who went out of her way to rub the affair in Diana's face in every way.  Any other mistress would have been much more discrete, but not Camilla.  That's why I hold her and Charles responsible for the demise of the marriage.


Title: Re: Charles & Camilla Relationship
Post by: Kuei Fei on January 08, 2013, 08:16:03 pm
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The problem is she was totally out for number one and knew Charles' weaknesses--she did go to the Sun editor with "her side" of the story and put Diana down.

The minute Camilla started bashing Diana in the press, he should have cut her out and respected his wife's position as Princess of Wales, the same way he demanded to be respected as Prince of Wales. Camilla was attacking the future Queen of England and all it took was one heart attack to make Diana Queen of England. Charles supposedly told them not to insult Diana to the press because it would have escalated, he knew, but he let them get away with it.

What then? Camilla starts leaking garbage about the Queen of England and tries to push a Queen off of the Throne like Anne Boleyn did to Katherine of Aragon. There is no excuse for any of it and I can't imagine the huge blow the public took and Charles never should have allowed it. No matter what, she was an adulteress no matter how much PR is worked on. She also drove a wedge between the boys and Charles at a critical time in their development.

Unforgivable.


Title: Re: Charles & Camilla Relationship
Post by: Jane23 on January 09, 2013, 08:33:37 am
^ Di was an adulteress too...Di leaked stuff too coming out with her own version of the "truth" everything you accuse Camilla of doing Di did too  :bored: so how come Camilla is being bashed for all the things Di did?

Harry about Cam:


http://www.guardian.co.uk/uk/2005/sep/15/monarchy.stephenbates



He and his brother loved Camilla "to bits": "She has always been very close to me and William ... But no, she's not the wicked stepmother... ". As he added: "She's a wonderful woman and she's made my father very, very happy," a horse behind him neighed loudly. The prince grinned, then added: "Everyone's happy. Everyone's fine."  8)


Title: Re: Charles & Camilla Relationship
Post by: Snokitty on January 09, 2013, 01:28:13 pm
Diana did not do all the things Camilla did.   :laugh:

Does anyone honestly believe that Harry would tell an interviewer if he truly hated Camilla? 

They all play nice when their is a reporter with a camera recording it all for posterity.



Title: Re: Charles & Camilla Relationship
Post by: sandy on January 09, 2013, 02:51:24 pm
^ Di was an adulteress too...Di leaked stuff too coming out with her own version of the "truth" everything you accuse Camilla of doing Di did too  :bored: so how come Camilla is being bashed for all the things Di did?

Harry about Cam:


http://www.guardian.co.uk/uk/2005/sep/15/monarchy.stephenbates



He and his brother loved Camilla "to bits": "She has always been very close to me and William ... But no, she's not the wicked stepmother... ". As he added: "She's a wonderful woman and she's made my father very, very happy," a horse behind him neighed loudly. The prince grinned, then added: "Everyone's happy. Everyone's fine."  8)

Harry did this for his father IMO. I think he is cordial to his stepmother but there is no love lost between them. I do think that he does remember the role Camilla played in his parents marriage but is willing to cooperate and keep up appearances. I think his father is very needy and high maintenance and he did this to placate his father. It should be recalled when there marriage was collapsing Diana and Charles did a joint interview in the eighties to try to belie the rumors and played the happily married couple on TV. The royals go in for "keeping up appearances." They were hardly going to snipe at each other on TV and show their "true feelings."

Diana was spot on about the threat Camilla was to her marriage. She was spot on about many things. And she did not do everything Camilla did. Had she done so and had a "past", Charles would have not married her and just used her for sex like he did Camilla when he first met her. Two authors Bedell Smith (who does not like Diana) And Sarah Bradford reported that Camilla DID go to the Sun editor with "her side" of the story. The Sun editor reported this. Also, she undermined Diana in letters that became public telling Charles not to pay attention to "that ridiculous creature" aka Diana. Also I think Camilla sent a strong message when she sent Charles those cufflinks with two Cs intertwined--she was IMO trying to tell Diana who was really Boss. Diana I think had to fight fire with fire and fought back against the sneaky manipulative Camilla.


Title: Re: Charles & Camilla Relationship
Post by: berlin on January 09, 2013, 05:29:53 pm
^ Di was an adulteress too...Di leaked stuff too coming out with her own version of the "truth" everything you accuse Camilla of doing Di did too  :bored: so how come Camilla is being bashed for all the things Di did?

Harry about Cam:


http://www.guardian.co.uk/uk/2005/sep/15/monarchy.stephenbates



He and his brother loved Camilla "to bits": "She has always been very close to me and William ... But no, she's not the wicked stepmother... ". As he added: "She's a wonderful woman and she's made my father very, very happy," a horse behind him neighed loudly. The prince grinned, then added: "Everyone's happy. Everyone's fine."  8)

If Camilla and Charles did not do the things they did Diana would not have had to resort to leaking stuff out.  How could she not defend herself with all those knives against her?  What right did Camilla have to leak stuff about Diana and her marriage?  Camilla should have minded her own business and her own marriage.


Title: Re: Charles & Camilla Relationship
Post by: discoveryme on January 10, 2013, 05:48:23 pm
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I dont buy the Charles is a puppet of Camilla story, he give a gift (bracelet, right?) to her in eve of HIS wedding BECAUSE he wanted and he wore her gift in HIS honeymoon BECAUSE he wanted and he call her and everything BECAUSE he wanted, he bought a house in neighborhood of Camilla when courting his future wife because he wanted

This is what I've been trying to say, Charles was a 30 SOMETHING YEAR OLD MAN, You cannot Blame Camilla or any other person for his choice, he made those choices on his first marriage because he wanted to....End of.

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Camilla should have minded her own business and her own marriage.
Charles should have also minded his own business and left Camilla and Andrew's marriage alone, he made a choice not to, as one poster said, he outed Camilla which is why Andrew  divorced her.

On Janet Jenkins, here is an aritcle which she speaks of their relationship:

http://www.thefreelibrary.com/I+went+to+his+bedroom+to+borrow+some+toothpaste+but+we+spent+the...-a069145814


Title: Re: Charles & Camilla Relationship
Post by: discoveryme on January 10, 2013, 06:08:39 pm
Also I read somewhere that even after Charles did his interview in 1994 and everything was exposed, Camilla's father spoke to him and told him not to contact Camilla anymore since it was hurting everyone... as he had made sure Camilla's won't be contacting Charles anymore, yet Charles didn't listen, at the end of the day, Charles chose to still see Camilla despite what it would do his reputation, whether he married her for taxes or whatever, it was choice he made which I believe he is not regretting it.


Title: Re: Charles & Camilla Relationship
Post by: Snokitty on January 10, 2013, 06:25:10 pm
Charles is responsible for his own choices and actions but Camilla is also responsible for the things she did.

The only real innocents here are the children that neither of them gave a second thought.

They are all guilty in their own way but I think Diana's was more of a reactionary thing because at her age she was still learning and look what these two taught her.


Title: Re: Charles & Camilla Relationship
Post by: sandy on January 10, 2013, 06:59:09 pm
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I dont buy the Charles is a puppet of Camilla story, he give a gift (bracelet, right?) to her in eve of HIS wedding BECAUSE he wanted and he wore her gift in HIS honeymoon BECAUSE he wanted and he call her and everything BECAUSE he wanted, he bought a house in neighborhood of Camilla when courting his future wife because he wanted

This is what I've been trying to say, Charles was a 30 SOMETHING YEAR OLD MAN, You cannot Blame Camilla or any other person for his choice, he made those choices on his first marriage because he wanted to....End of.

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Camilla should have minded her own business and her own marriage.
Charles should have also minded his own business and left Camilla and Andrew's marriage alone, he made a choice not to, as one poster said, he outed Camilla which is why Andrew  divorced her.

On Janet Jenkins, here is an aritcle which she speaks of their relationship:

http://www.thefreelibrary.com/I+went+to+his+bedroom+to+borrow+some+toothpaste+but+we+spent+the...-a069145814

Charles and Camilla were by all accounts two consenting adults and Charles did not have to "force" Camilla into adultery to say the least. She was a very willing participant and she gloried in the knowledge that her great grandmother was mistress to King Edward VII. Some women like Anna Wallace by their own free will dumped Charles and turned him down. Camilla had and has a free will and could have opted to do the same.


Title: Re: Charles & Camilla Relationship
Post by: Kuei Fei on January 10, 2013, 11:52:21 pm
I can't really blame HM for much of this either; she isn't the first motehr who works who had to leave her kid in care.

Charles (and William) tend to think that they are the first and only to go through what they've ahd ot go through. William isn't the first to lose his mother in a car wreck and neither is the first to be raised by professionals who care for them while their mothers go out earning the money that keeps them comfortable and safe.

Camilla had free will and the knowledge taht adultery is wrong, but CHOSE to keep her hands on Charles. She also chose to go on a bashing spree at someone she knew was mentally and emotionally vulnerable and actually had the gall to treat Highgrove as her own house, not Diana's. I would have done a lot worse.

As for Charles, it's tiring seeing his whining all the time, all the while he enjoys his position so obviously.

Also I read somewhere that even after Charles did his interview in 1994 and everything was exposed, Camilla's father spoke to him and told him not to contact Camilla anymore since it was hurting everyone... as he had made sure Camilla's won't be contacting Charles anymore, yet Charles didn't listen, at the end of the day, Charles chose to still see Camilla despite what it would do his reputation, whether he married her for taxes or whatever, it was choice he made which I believe he is not regretting it.

Camilla chose to keep up contact as well. She might have done better in life if her father had taken his Daddy's Little Trollop on his lap and had a long talk about the facts of life and then flogged her for a while for her tarting around. I wonder about her relationship with her father as well, realistically. Where was he?

The minute she started tarting around after her debut, I believe a trip to the woodshed would have done wonders for her attitude towards men.


Title: Re: Charles & Camilla Relationship
Post by: discoveryme on January 11, 2013, 01:07:32 am
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The minute she started tarting around after her debut, I believe a trip to the woodshed would have done wonders for her attitude towards men

You keep calling her a tart (*lowlife*) who slept with many men before she married... yet from all the articles and books that I have read,  it says she had only been with Four men, if that's what makes Camilla a tart, then 90% of WOMEN IN THIS WORLD are also tarts.

Kevin Burke : First boyfriend
Rupert  Hambro: second boyfriend
Andrew Parker-Bowles (first husband) dated on and of for 6 years
Prince Charles:  dated and he later became her second husband.

Here is an article on this: http://www.thefreelibrary.com/THE+STREET'S+ROYAL+COUPLE+MARRIED+MORE+TIMES+THAN+YO'VE+HAD+HOT...-a0131189111



Title: Re: Charles & Camilla Relationship
Post by: Snokitty on January 11, 2013, 02:38:10 am
Camilla didn't learn all her sexual tricks from being celibate.   :laugh:  Men generally don't run around bragging about having sex with an ugly woman.   :tehe:

Seriously though there is a lot more that goes into being a tart than just having sex, it is more in the behavior that one displays.


Title: Re: Charles & Camilla Relationship
Post by: Jane23 on January 11, 2013, 10:13:44 am
^ All the men some accuse her of sleeping with obviously didn't find her ugly ...plus the woman is in no way shape or form a "tart"  :June:...


tart 
/tärt/
Noun

    An open pastry case containing a filling.
    derogatory. A prostitute or a promiscuous woman.



Title: Re: Charles & Camilla Relationship
Post by: Snokitty on January 11, 2013, 03:15:32 pm
How do you know they didn't find her ugly? Men do sleep with ugly women especially if they are really easy to bed like Camilla.   :laugh:

Camilla prostituted herself for all the benefits that came with being Charles's mistress so I guess that does make her a "tart".


Title: Re: Charles & Camilla Relationship
Post by: discoveryme on January 11, 2013, 04:15:45 pm
How do you know they didn't find her ugly? Men do sleep with ugly women especially if they are really easy to bed like Camilla.   :laugh:

Camilla prostituted herself for all the benefits that came with being Charles's mistress so I guess that does make her a "tart".

WELL GUESS WHAT AT THE END OF THE DAY....This ugly woman (as you refer to her) STILL GOT THE GUY... perhaps if Diana could Satisfy him in bed, (which I believe she didn't) he would have not slept with her only once in 3 weeks....:laugh: :tehe:


Title: Re: Charles & Camilla Relationship
Post by: Jane23 on January 11, 2013, 04:18:03 pm
@ Snokitty  First of all the woman is his wife!!! Has been since 2005 The Prince loved her and wanted her in his life at any cost period!!! This is 2013 for the love of all that is Holly some need to get over it ...


Title: Re: Charles & Camilla Relationship
Post by: discoveryme on January 11, 2013, 04:24:19 pm
@ Snokitty  First of all the woman is his wife!!! Has been since 2005 The Prince loved her and wanted her in his life at any cost period!!! This is 2013 for the love of all that is Holly some need to get over it ...

I agree....The End


Title: Re: Charles & Camilla Relationship
Post by: Alexandrine on January 11, 2013, 04:48:07 pm
I've said it so many times that I don't know how to say it really!  :angry:

No one has to get over nothing, if not this place wouldn't exist as why we would still continue to discuss Kate when she already married Will? What's the difference with Camilla? Absolutedly none.

I'm sure that there are lots of arguments to defend Charles and Camilla, I doubt that they only that can be used is *despise*, get over it and it was a long time ago. Those arguments do not help the Camilla side at all.

My opinion is that if you cannot offer a logical argument best don't say anything. 

Now my personal opinion is that if Charles love for Camilla was so important he would have renounced at the time and then marry her. Or at least he should have made more effort to try to marry her. He did nothing at the time.

Camilla's reputation at the time wasn't good, probably it was one of the reasons Charles didn't consider her as a wife and future Queen.



Title: Re: Charles & Camilla Relationship
Post by: Snokitty on January 11, 2013, 06:13:02 pm
Camilla has a bad reputation because she is not a nice person and never has been. Charles married her to avoid a tax scandal and she was probably the only woman left who would have him.

As for Charles and Diana's sex life, Charles was the experienced person in the relationship so maybe he was so used to being serviced by a woman that he did not know how to teach one.

I believed servicing a man is along the lines of a prostitutes work.   :tehe:


Title: Re: Charles & Camilla Relationship
Post by: Kuei Fei on January 11, 2013, 06:15:47 pm
How do you know they didn't find her ugly? Men do sleep with ugly women especially if they are really easy to bed like Camilla.   :laugh:

Camilla prostituted herself for all the benefits that came with being Charles's mistress so I guess that does make her a "tart".

WELL GUESS WHAT AT THE END OF THE DAY....This ugly woman (as you refer to her) STILL GOT THE GUY... perhaps if Diana could Satisfy him in bed, (which I believe she didn't) he would have not slept with her only once in 3 weeks....:laugh: :tehe:

Yes, Camilla got the guy, showing the planet that loose girls don't have to experience consequences for living an irresponsible life; Camilla is the reason that Kate is where she is right now instead of someone decent. Second, Diana wasn't brought up to 'satisfy men' and wasn't brought up to be a tart. She was raised as a lady and brought up how future Queens were supposed to. She wasn't raised to be a courtesan/concubine and end up being also a mother/nanny figure to a grown man. Camilla could do these things because she didn't have the pressure to end up fulfilling public duties.

From what I could tell, Camilla is costing Charles just as much as Charles complained Diana costs and if you throw in botox and Raymill, she's actually costing a lot more than she's giving in. Camilla is past working age, but really, technically so is HM. Camilla didn't have to deal with a third of what Diana did. Camilla could always retreat while Diana had to go forward into the public glare. So Camilla does in several ways have it easier and there is a lot of nerve in Charles to have it both ways. Edward VIII is owed a major apology, along with Princess Margaret/Peter Townsend and I don't believe that this is right.

With Edward, he had the guts to renounce the Throne and go while Princess Margaret stayed and had a miserable marriage that only damaged her. Now Charles whines and has it both ways, creating even more work for courtiers while it only constricts where he can go in the Middle East. Charles could go anywhere Diana, to all the Middle Eastern countries, along with the Asian ones, but with Camilla (as William with Kate), Charles hasn't really gone and brought Camilla along.


Title: Re: Charles & Camilla Relationship
Post by: FrillyKnickers on January 11, 2013, 07:19:45 pm
@ KF:

You have SO MUCH D*MN SENSE & INTELLIGENCE.  :thumbsup:

Gurl, it's UNREAL. :worship: :worship: :worship: :worship:.  :worship:


Title: Re: Charles & Camilla Relationship
Post by: sandy on January 11, 2013, 08:47:04 pm
How do you know they didn't find her ugly? Men do sleep with ugly women especially if they are really easy to bed like Camilla.   :laugh:

Camilla prostituted herself for all the benefits that came with being Charles's mistress so I guess that does make her a "tart".

WELL GUESS WHAT AT THE END OF THE DAY....This ugly woman (as you refer to her) STILL GOT THE GUY... perhaps if Diana could Satisfy him in bed, (which I believe she didn't) he would have not slept with her only once in 3 weeks....:laugh: :tehe:

CHarles still did not choose Camilla to marry and have his heirs. Camilla was recommended to him as "good mistress material" by his Great Uncle Mountbatten who advised Charles to marry a woman of good breeding with no past. Charles was supposed to teach the virgin how to be a good lover since unlke Camilla Diana had no past sexual experience. Charles though could not be bothered and just did what it took to have the heir and spare and he knew the mistress was "there" for hm to give pleasures in bed. Camilla was his concubine and Charles wanted it both ways--he didnt' want to give up the mistress because she provided pleasures, didn't want to bother gently instructing his wife about what HE learned when he sowed wild oats. Had Diana not minded sharing I think Camilla would still be mistress today. Charles accordiing to Diana was a flop in bed-he more or less just rolled on and off her. Camilla trained him accordiing to sources to pretend she was a rocking horse (I'll go no further).  Charles laziness and inadequacies and weirdness essentially kept Diana from some semblance of a normal sex life wth him. Charles didn't want to be proactive so he had the mistress to do the work.

ANd what did Camilla get? She manipulated her way to the top but she is not a universally beloved or respected figure and neither is Charles.  She also wasn't considered good enough to be the mother of royal children.


Title: Re: Charles & Camilla Relationship
Post by: CathyJane on January 11, 2013, 09:21:47 pm
How do you know they didn't find her ugly? Men do sleep with ugly women especially if they are really easy to bed like Camilla.   :laugh:

Camilla prostituted herself for all the benefits that came with being Charles's mistress so I guess that does make her a "tart".

WELL GUESS WHAT AT THE END OF THE DAY....This ugly woman (as you refer to her) STILL GOT THE GUY... perhaps if Diana could Satisfy him in bed, (which I believe she didn't) he would have not slept with her only once in 3 weeks....:laugh: :tehe:

Yes, Camilla got the guy, showing the planet that loose girls don't have to experience consequences for living an irresponsible life; Camilla is the reason that Kate is where she is right now instead of someone decent. Second, Diana wasn't brought up to 'satisfy men' and wasn't brought up to be a tart. She was raised as a lady and brought up how future Queens were supposed to. She wasn't raised to be a courtesan/concubine and end up being also a mother/nanny figure to a grown man. Camilla could do these things because she didn't have the pressure to end up fulfilling public duties.

From what I could tell, Camilla is costing Charles just as much as Charles complained Diana costs and if you throw in botox and Raymill, she's actually costing a lot more than she's giving in. Camilla is past working age, but really, technically so is HM. Camilla didn't have to deal with a third of what Diana did. Camilla could always retreat while Diana had to go forward into the public glare. So Camilla does in several ways have it easier and there is a lot of nerve in Charles to have it both ways. Edward VIII is owed a major apology, along with Princess Margaret/Peter Townsend and I don't believe that this is right.

With Edward, he had the guts to renounce the Throne and go while Princess Margaret stayed and had a miserable marriage that only damaged her. Now Charles whines and has it both ways, creating even more work for courtiers while it only constricts where he can go in the Middle East. Charles could go anywhere Diana, to all the Middle Eastern countries, along with the Asian ones, but with Camilla (as William with Kate), Charles hasn't really gone and brought Camilla along.

Great post, KF!!!


Title: Re: Charles & Camilla Relationship
Post by: discoveryme on January 11, 2013, 09:49:51 pm
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Yes, Camilla got the guy, showing the planet that loose girls don't have to experience consequences for living an irresponsible life; Camilla is the reason that Kate is where she is right now instead of someone decent

From your post I assume you are a virgin then or have never dated, if you're not then you are just like Camilla and Catherine...a loose girl as you call them


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ANd what did Camilla get? She manipulated her way to the top but she is not a universally beloved or respected figure and neither is Charles.

Charles WILL BE KING whether he is hated or not, just like some past King's whom weren't very popular... The law is law...as for respect, not for his personal life but for HIS WORK ETHIC, which he has and is expected of him in the top job...Camilla did not manipulate him, He WAS and IS a grown man and made his own CHOICES...as a friend used to say NOT EVERYONE will like you in this world...that's life

As for Diana, The biggest sympathy I have for her is that recently I just saw a video of an evangelist who saw her in HELL for witchcraft, if she truly is in hell...I weep for her
Here is the video: (If you all choose to believe it)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1_Sn7n3TRUA


Title: Re: Charles & Camilla Relationship
Post by: Snokitty on January 11, 2013, 10:03:53 pm
How do you know Kuei Fei is not married and was a virgin when she married? I find it totally inappropriate to assume she is like Camilla because none of us know what her life story is.

I also don't understand the thought process for thinking that screaming at someone over their opinion is going to do what exactly  ???  change their mind, most unlikely.

It isn't some sort of requirement for any of us to like Camilla.


Title: Re: Charles & Camilla Relationship
Post by: discoveryme on January 11, 2013, 10:20:02 pm
How do you know Kuei Fei is not married and was a virgin when she married? I find it totally inappropriate to assume she is like Camilla because none of us know what her life story is.

I also don't understand the thought process for thinking that screaming at someone over their opinion is going to do what exactly  ???  change their mind, most unlikely.

It isn't some sort of requirement for any of us to like Camilla.

I'm not trying to change anyone's feelings...just giving my opinion if I don't agree with a statement like everyone else does


Title: Re: Charles & Camilla Relationship
Post by: Snokitty on January 11, 2013, 10:26:08 pm
So you are saying that your opinion is that if a female is not a virgin it makes her a "tart" like Camilla.



Title: Re: Charles & Camilla Relationship
Post by: Cressida on January 11, 2013, 10:28:09 pm
I would like to point out that I very much doubt Diana is 'in hell for being a witch' - to begin with, she wasn't a witch, and secondly she did so much for people and had so much love and kindness towards so many people I doubt the devil would have her.


Title: Re: Charles & Camilla Relationship
Post by: FrillyKnickers on January 11, 2013, 10:50:11 pm
Charles, reportedly, had affairs with ALL of these people during his first marriage.

Anyone wanting to confirm/deny these, feel free to do ALL of the work  :bored: :

Tiggy Legge Bourke

:loveshower: Dale "Kanga" Tryon :loveshower:

Michael Fawcett  :William:
 
George Smith  :William:

Janet Jenkins
 
Anna Wallace
 
Lucia Santa Cruz
 
Davina Sheffield
 
Eva O'Neill
 
Jane Wellesly
 
Suzan George
 
Sabrina Guiness
 
Jane Ward
 
Helga Wagner...

Boy Camilla, you've got yourself a real good prize there... (#sarcasm :June: )



Title: Re: Charles & Camilla Relationship
Post by: Jane23 on January 11, 2013, 10:50:46 pm
Being good in bed , satisfying you man doesn't make a tart ...or a loose woman for that matter ...it makes you a good lover  lol.


Title: Re: Charles & Camilla Relationship
Post by: Kuei Fei on January 12, 2013, 04:02:33 am
I wonder how much Camilla cost as a mistress through the years Charles was married to Di and after.

According to Tina Brown, Camilla made herself 'cash poor' by adding additions to her house and therefore obligating (by inference) that Charles should take care of her because he (Charles) had wrecked her marriage to Andrew. So Camilla basically started getting money for a better wardrobe and jewels and got a makeover. No more 'simple country woman,' Camilla became a woman of the poshy world and burdened Charles with caring for her before Diana was officially divorced.

Now tell me what we call women who demand money for 'services rendered' in the bedroom?

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Charles, reportedly, had affairs with ALL of these people during his first marriage.

Anyone wanting to confirm/deny these, feel free to do ALL of the work

Before Marriage:
George Smith 
Janet Jenkins
Anna Wallace
Lucia Santa Cruz
Davina Sheffield
Jane Wellesly
Suzan George
Sabrina Guiness
Jane Ward
Helga Wagner...

Various socialites and beauty queens/starlets

During:
Diana (his wife)
Eva O'Neill
Kanga, Lady Tryon
Camilla

After:
Camilla (who knows if he was faithful)
Michael Fawcett


Which goes to show that this concept of a love affair is idiocy. Go figure, Camilla like Kate only got the ring by outlasting all the others and playing by the 'rules.'

I wonder really how Camilla feels about Kate, possibly seeing the fact that she Camilla is the reason that Kate got the ring and is now a threat. If Diana had remained the wife and Princess of Wales, then surely Camilla would still be on the side. It's a pity that Charles never did cherish the title his wife held the way he cherished his.

If Charles had kept Camilla in her place or dropped her, the BRF would be effortlessly be moving among the same circles they were in the Eighties. During that time the BRF was effortlessly moving among the Arabs, Chinese, the Continental royals and were poised to go global in a more substantial ways.


Title: Re: Charles & Camilla Relationship
Post by: Snokitty on January 12, 2013, 05:20:04 am
 ^  :gogirl:  :goodpost:


Title: Re: Charles & Camilla Relationship
Post by: June on January 12, 2013, 07:51:04 am
@ KF: too right, hon.  :thumbsup:

I also believe that the reason we are stuck with Kate is because Charles married Camilla. The precedent was set. Charles would have been a hypocrite had he tried to rein William in. And, the Queen just had to go along with it, regardless of her true feelings, whatever they may be. I don't profess to know.

@ Ana:  :hug:

Re Diana seeking comfort outside her marriage: for every action there is a reaction. That does provide mitigating circumstances.



Title: Re: Charles & Camilla Relationship
Post by: Cressida on January 12, 2013, 10:48:35 am
Charles had plenty of affairs when he was married to Diana, it wasn't just Camilla. The difference is that he has the palace machine protecting his image while they gaily publicised every man Diana met to tarnish her image. Charles is just like his father, he likes women and he sees no reason to restrain himself. I doubt very much he has been faithful to Camilla, but then I am fairly convinced she isn't faithful to him either. She always preferred Parker-Bowles to Charles.



Title: Re: Charles & Camilla Relationship
Post by: sandy on January 12, 2013, 02:29:34 pm
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Yes, Camilla got the guy, showing the planet that loose girls don't have to experience consequences for living an irresponsible life; Camilla is the reason that Kate is where she is right now instead of someone decent

From your post I assume you are a virgin then or have never dated, if you're not then you are just like Camilla and Catherine...a loose girl as you call them


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ANd what did Camilla get? She manipulated her way to the top but she is not a universally beloved or respected figure and neither is Charles.

Charles WILL BE KING whether he is hated or not, just like some past King's whom weren't very popular... The law is law...as for respect, not for his personal life but for HIS WORK ETHIC, which he has and is expected of him in the top job...Camilla did not manipulate him, He WAS and IS a grown man and made his own CHOICES...as a friend used to say NOT EVERYONE will like you in this world...that's life

As for Diana, The biggest sympathy I have for her is that recently I just saw a video of an evangelist who saw her in HELL for witchcraft, if she truly is in hell...I weep for her
Here is the video: (If you all choose to believe it)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1_Sn7n3TRUA

Camilla was 33 to Diana's 19 and she had been around the block. Charles married a younger woman because the ones his age most likely were married or had experience.

Why would you put a link where someone says a person is in Hell?  That I think is way out of line and the evangelist is hardly is an example. No good minister or anyone fit to be one would say someone went to Hell. That is wrong on many levels.


Title: Re: Charles & Camilla Relationship
Post by: AnaBolena on January 12, 2013, 04:50:28 pm
There's one thing that really gets to me.........

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3eBDtDLjlVs

Every time you see pictures of C and C together, why is the body language so "in love" - and anyone happily married will not be able to deny that body language does not lie.

Yes, smiles can be faked etc etc, but not smiles to the eyes, not secret "in love" stolen glances, giggles and laughs.

Why, if he never loved Camilla [putting affairs aside] are they so "in love" - it is clear they are.

I guess I find it a puzzle because of images even with other women, Charles never looked at anyone the way he looks at Camilla.  Not anyone. 


 


Title: Re: Charles & Camilla Relationship
Post by: Kuei Fei on January 12, 2013, 04:51:42 pm
I wonder why on earth Camilla is more important to him than his crown. The only other king who let so much of a mess happen was Henry VIII and look at how things went; constant civil war lasting decades. I find it irritating that woman like Diana are the types that men would give a left arm for are treated so shabbily. Diana was nineteen and expected to perform like an adult; all teenagers develop one issue or another and that's normal; but Charles had the audacity to expect her to be a sexpot, Consort, mother, submissive wife, and professional all rolled into one at the same time. Camilla has been nothing but a thorn in the side of his role and a constant ongoing expense, one after another. Diana didn't ask for ehr own private retreat, she lived on palace grounds all the time.

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if you're not then you are just like Camilla and Catherine...a loose girl as you call them

Is this a hope or an insult?

^  :gogirl:  :goodpost:


It's all for you, my little lovecups!



Title: Re: Charles & Camilla Relationship
Post by: sandy on January 12, 2013, 09:11:38 pm
There's one thing that really gets to me.........

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3eBDtDLjlVs

Every time you see pictures of C and C together, why is the body language so "in love" - and anyone happily married will not be able to deny that body language does not lie.

Yes, smiles can be faked etc etc, but not smiles to the eyes, not secret "in love" stolen glances, giggles and laughs.

Why, if he never loved Camilla [putting affairs aside] are they so "in love" - it is clear they are.

I guess I find it a puzzle because of images even with other women, Charles never looked at anyone the way he looks at Camilla.  Not anyone.  


 


Early in the marriage there were "stolen glances" between CHarles and Diana and he would call her his "darlng wife" during speeches. If you look at the photos of them in the Caribbean early in 1982 where neither were aware of the cameras there were many "loving looks" and Charles and Diana could not keep their hands off each other. I think there was attraction there and had not Camilla been lurking around I think they could have made a go of it and Charles would have actually worked on the marriage.

I think that Charles is in love with himself. He became obligated by naming Camilla and Charles is hardly going to act coldly to her in public even if he is not that fond of her anymore. He put a lot of $$$ in the Camilla acceptance campaign and the two are more or less stuck with each other.

Charles and Anna Wallace were supposed to be besotted with each other but she dropped him. Charles was said to be ready to marry Davina Sheffield who passed the Balmoral Test but found she had had a live in lover and dropped her.

If Charles had this all encompassing love for Camilla he would have moved heaven and earth to marry her years before  lke his great uncle did with MRs Simpson. He went ahead and married another woman which I thnk he would not have done if he were so "in love" with Camilla. Edward VIII would not marry a "suitable girl" even if there was pressure on him to produce an heir. For him it was Wallis who was his great love and he would not marry another woman. Charles OTOH married someone else and tried to have it all --sorry not buying into Charles and Camilla and the great love spin. He didn't have respect for her enough to consider her ;good enough to marry and have his children.

KF, Charles did not lose anythng except much popularity. He didn't lose his place in the line of successon AND got to marry the mistress. I think had he been given the choice,the throne would have beaten out Camilla in his affections. No Contest.


Title: Re: Charles & Camilla Relationship
Post by: Cressida on January 12, 2013, 09:20:17 pm
Well said Sandy!


Title: Re: Charles & Camilla Relationship
Post by: Jane23 on January 12, 2013, 10:17:22 pm
@ sandy Camilla married for God sake how could he marry an already married woman?  ??? And you must have missed him moving Heaven and Earth to marry her in 2005  :laundry:...


Title: Re: Charles & Camilla Relationship
Post by: Snokitty on January 12, 2013, 10:40:46 pm
Charles didn't move heaven and earth to marry Camilla, he just whinged until he got his way.


Title: Re: Charles & Camilla Relationship
Post by: sandy on January 13, 2013, 03:17:07 pm
@ sandy Camilla married for God sake how could he marry an already married woman?  ??? And you must have missed him moving Heaven and Earth to marry her in 2005  :laundry:...

He was involved with Camilla before she got married. Look it up. Charles made sure he didn't risk his place in line of succession before he married Camilla. He consulted a team of lawyers to make sure. Had he not been able to stay in line of succession AND marry her he would not have IMO.


Title: Re: Charles & Camilla Relationship
Post by: AnaBolena on January 13, 2013, 04:16:15 pm
^ I was not speaking about Diana and Charles at all - I do and always have thought he loved Diana in the beginning because of the same looks between them.

I was speaking of the here and now - he isn't faking the looks that still go on and neither is she - its real - which means if we take since they married, they are still happy together.   

Make sense no?


Title: Re: Charles & Camilla Relationship
Post by: sandy on January 13, 2013, 08:29:21 pm
It's hard to know what is real and what is not with them. Even if Charles grows cold with Camilla, there is no way he will divorce her. She has Raymill to retreat to in any case. Charles even wanted to show affection with Diana when things were bad with them.


Title: Re: Charles & Camilla Relationship
Post by: berlin on January 14, 2013, 06:48:15 pm
I wonder how much time they spend actually living together. 


Title: Re: Charles & Camilla Relationship
Post by: CathyJane on January 14, 2013, 08:45:19 pm
I wonder how much time they spend actually living together. 

Since Cammie has her own home I'd say not much, but who knows.  :sigh:


Title: Re: Charles & Camilla Relationship
Post by: YooperModerator on January 14, 2013, 09:12:27 pm
i don't want to know really  :tehe:


Title: Re: Charles & Camilla Relationship
Post by: TeamCC on January 16, 2013, 02:00:25 pm
I am new here. I have been lurking for a while, and actually joined to defend Charles and Camilla.
So that there is no ambiguities  :P

 So let's get started.
Charles and Camilla is the greatest and saddest love story in British history.
He loved her, she loved him.
"They" did not want her.
"They" interferred : he left her, she tried to save her honour.
Still they could not get away from each other.
He resisted marriage for as long as he could.
He resigned himself.
He was to go with Sarah, who was aware and did not mind the "role"
The younger sister doubled the eldest half-sister, not knowing she
was being led to slaughter
Married to a woman when his heart was already taken
He did his best.
...
On COMPASSIONATE grounds, he was allowed to remarry.

I wish Charles AND Camilla would reveal all the truth out there,
and let the public make judgements based on facts, and context.
Camilla has seen a lot, and Charles is doing his best to compensate
for what she went through.

Feel free to criticise.  :P


Title: Re: Charles & Camilla Relationship
Post by: Cressida on January 16, 2013, 02:15:23 pm
'The younger sister doubled the eldest half-sister'

Can you explain this statement please?

Also, Camilla was madly in love with Parker-Bowles so why are you whitewashing that?


Title: Re: Charles & Camilla Relationship
Post by: Alexandrine on January 16, 2013, 02:20:15 pm
I've always thought that Sarah obviously didn't want to marry Charles if not she wouldn't have talked to the press.

Charles tried to marry a lot of women but everyone told him no for one reason or another. If he had been smart he would have married the mountbatten lady.


Title: Re: Charles & Camilla Relationship
Post by: sandy on January 16, 2013, 02:57:11 pm
I am new here. I have been lurking for a while, and actually joined to defend Charles and Camilla.
So that there is no ambiguities  :P

 So let's get started.
Charles and Camilla is the greatest and saddest love story in British history.
He loved her, she loved him.
"They" did not want her.
"They" interferred : he left her, she tried to save her honour.
Still they could not get away from each other.
He resisted marriage for as long as he could.
He resigned himself.
He was to go with Sarah, who was aware and did not mind the "role"
The younger sister doubled the eldest half-sister, not knowing she
was being led to slaughter
Married to a woman when his heart was already taken
He did his best.
...
On COMPASSIONATE grounds, he was allowed to remarry.

I wish Charles AND Camilla would reveal all the truth out there,
and let the public make judgements based on facts, and context.
Camilla has seen a lot, and Charles is doing his best to compensate
for what she went through.

Feel free to criticise.  :P


There is no proof that Charles even approached his mother for permission to marry the then single Camilla Shand. He did not indicate this to his biographer at any rate. His Great Uncle Mountbatten said he should sow wild oats THEN marry a woman of no experience. He apparently agreed with Uncle M. that Camilla was "good mistress material." He would sneak away for weekends with her at Broadlands provided by Uncle M for Charles to get sexual experience. There is no record or proof of Charles not being allowed to marry Camilla and apparently he didn't think her good enough to marry and have his heirs. She also was pursuing APB and at that time was aiming to marry him. She was said to have slept with Charles to get back at APB for sleeping with Princess Anne. Camilla's  biographer said that APB was "proud" of her for her conquest of Charles.

Charles did not "resist marriage." He was dating many suitable girls. He was said to have wanted to marry Davina Sheffield but dropped her when her former live in boyfriend told all. Anna Wallace dropped him and Amanda Knatchbull turned down his proposal. It was not that he "resisted" marriage.  

I don't see this as a "great" love story but a sordid mess. Had it been a "great love story" Charles would have proposed to Camilla Shand and after she married if he THEN decided he wanted her, not married another woman. Charles is his own great love and Camilla is her own great love.

Camilla's father actually was the one to try to "save her honor." Charles blabbed that she was his mistress forcing the PB divorce. Camilla's father confronted Charles angrily about compromising his daughter publicly and naming her. I think at that point Charles was obligated to marry her.

Sarah said publicly Charles was like a "brother" to her. Hardly the stuff of great romance. Diana did not "double" for her. Charles chose to court Diana and propose to her and marry her.

Charles did not Try his best IMO he had no business marrying Diana when he knew he preferred someone else.

There is no record of "compassionate grounds" being used for him to marry Camilla. He went to get legal  help to be sure he could marry her -and make sure he would not lose his rights to the throne in the process. It took him 9 years after the divorce from Diana to marry her. And 8 after Diana's death. I think had the legal help said he'd have to sacrifice his kingship for Camilla he would have made some excuse to dump her.

They could not "stay away from each" other because the two were both self serving and selfish. Camilla did not want to give up her sugar daddy. had he been Charles Jones I doubt she'd have given him the right time. Camilla got a lot of advantages, jewels and perks by being a royal mistress.


Title: Re: Charles & Camilla Relationship
Post by: TeamCC on January 16, 2013, 03:36:01 pm
... Then Camilla was explained she was not "wife material" for a future King
and that Charles had to prepare for his future role...
However she could be his mistress...
As she had too much experience - put in CONTEXT...
... We can guess she was flattered and proud of the "explanations"...
... A lose woman in the CONTEXT should she stay single...
...
Charles learned while away of his beloved marriage...
Proof that she did not love him that much....
As she could not even wait for him...

Karma is a *female dog* : Charles finally married his love...  :P


Once upon a time Sarah was dating Charles the future King...
The BEAUTIFUL youngest sister ended  married to the future King...
Innocent lamb brought to the slaughter ...  :sob:

 This all story says : never ever go and marry a man - however the
status- whose love story has been blocked. The price to pay will be
very high.  :think:



Title: Re: Charles & Camilla Relationship
Post by: Snokitty on January 16, 2013, 04:06:00 pm
The only true love story in the whole mess was between Camilla and APB and they still love each other today after all these years. Charles married Camilla out of some sort of obligation.


Title: Re: Charles & Camilla Relationship
Post by: Cressida on January 16, 2013, 04:20:46 pm
I agree with you Snokitty. If Charles had been told that he would have to step down as heir if he married Camilla, he would have dropped her like a hot brick.

He married her because his PR was being affected by the fact that he was keeping a mistress and paying for everything for her, which looked bad for a man who is the supposed future head of the church.



Title: Re: Charles & Camilla Relationship
Post by: sandy on January 16, 2013, 04:43:59 pm
... Then Camilla was explained she was not "wife material" for a future King
and that Charles had to prepare for his future role...
However she could be his mistress...
As she had too much experience - put in CONTEXT...
... We can guess she was flattered and proud of the "explanations"...
... A lose woman in the CONTEXT should she stay single...
...
Charles learned while away of his beloved marriage...
Proof that she did not love him that much....
As she could not even wait for him...

Karma is a *female dog* : Charles finally married his love...  :P


Once upon a time Sarah was dating Charles the future King...
The BEAUTIFUL youngest sister ended  married to the future King...
Innocent lamb brought to the slaughter ...  :sob:

 This all story says : never ever go and marry a man - however the
status- whose love story has been blocked. The price to pay will be
very high.  :think:



Some sources say Camilla wanted to marry Charles and never "told him" she wasn't wife material. There is  no record of this in any case. She had a great grandmother who was a king's mistress and bragged about it. Some say she wanted to emulted her gr. grandmother Alice Keppel.

The story says Charles s hould have manned up and not behaved like a spoiled brat trying to get it all. If he wanted the wife, then dump the mistress. If the mistress married another, Stay Away and don't sleep with her it's not "OK". If he didn't love the wife to be then let her go and be honest with her--if Charles felt he preferred marrying someone else then don't marry the other woman to get heirs. Why is Diana the one blamed? The man proposed to her and she accepted. Diana didn't know apparently Charles was very morally weak and at the time believed he would love and respect her.

Had Diana been willing to share, Camila would still be the mistress. Had Camilla not willfully undermined Diana's marriage to Charles she would not be where she is today. Sorry not buying the Great Love Story spin.

. Camilla got whatever Diana had by manipulation--which is what IMO she wanted all along. Camilla is not one to be admired or respectful but if you think she's great that's your choice. I see C and C relationship as very sordid and they got their marriage at great expense and pain to others. But Charles STILL did not consider her good enough to wed AND to be the mother of his children. Diana one upped Camilla in this regard.


Title: Re: Charles & Camilla Relationship
Post by: RoyalWatcher on January 16, 2013, 06:13:46 pm
I was just a teen when the Prince of Wales married the Lady Diana Spencer, and yes, I bought into the fairy tale like everyone else.  They looked great as a couple, and you can tell in pictures that for the first three or four years, I really do believe that they were together as a couple with children in every way.

I blame Prince Phillip for giving Charles an option by saying that after he did his "duty", providing the heir and the spare, he could go back to Camilla.  And I blame Charles for being weak willed.  He willingly married Diana Spencer.  No one was forcing him to marry her.  And if he was still involved with Camilla, then he should have married her, throne or no throne.

Going ahead years later to 2005...had the Queen given Charles the ultimatum to choose, Camilla or the Throne, the throne would have won.  I don't find Charles nor Camilla to be sympathetic creatures at all....rather I find them kind of pathetic.   IMO< Charles loves on Charles...had he really been in love with Camilla, he'd have never married Diana Spencer. 


Title: Re: Charles & Camilla Relationship
Post by: scarlett on January 16, 2013, 07:44:28 pm
 :goodpost: Great post, RW. I absolutely agree with that last paragraph and like you said, if he had been expected to make a choice, I don't doubt he'd have chosen the throne as well.


Title: Re: Charles & Camilla Relationship
Post by: Kuei Fei on January 25, 2013, 04:46:18 pm
I wonder, if Charles had instead dumped Camilla when his feet were held to the fire (I wager if whether or not that tax issue was an attempt to get rid of her), all this energy he devotes to making her acceptable as wife and Queen would have been better spent on his sons and his own work.


Title: Re: Charles & Camilla Relationship
Post by: Jane23 on January 25, 2013, 06:37:13 pm
I think he loves Cam very much or all the mess that happened wouldn't take place and we wouldn't have the happy relaxed man we have today...and here we go again blaming his parents for his failed marriage I don't get what Liz and Phil could do about Chuck not worshiping the ground Di walked on  :June:...the man (especially after Harry) wanted nothing to do with Di and I don't get how it is his parent's fault  :June:.


Title: Re: Charles & Camilla Relationship
Post by: Snokitty on January 25, 2013, 06:53:47 pm
IMO Charles looking happier and more relaxed has to do with age it tends to mellow people because they start realizing that all the things they thought were important really aren't in the big scheme of life.

I am also sure he loves Camilla as one would any dear old friend but Charles will never love anyone as much as he loves himself.


Title: Re: Charles & Camilla Relationship
Post by: sandy on January 25, 2013, 07:16:54 pm
I think he loves Cam very much or all the mess that happened wouldn't take place and we wouldn't have the happy relaxed man we have today...and here we go again blaming his parents for his failed marriage I don't get what Liz and Phil could do about Chuck not worshiping the ground Di walked on  :June:...the man (especially after Harry) wanted nothing to do with Di and I don't get how it is his parent's fault  :June:.

Charles himself blamed his parents for his marrying Diana. He told this to his biographer.Even though he was 32 years old and hardly a child.

I don't think Charles will ever be completely happy and relaxed he's the type to see the glass half empty IMO. I don't even think he'll be fully happy when he gets to be King. He wants more than he has . I agree with Snokitty that his great love is himself. I don't think Camilla retreats to Raymill for nothing--he is high maintenance and I t hink she needs a breather from time to time.

His wanting "nothing to do with Diana" was his choice not his parents. It was IMO a cruel thing to do and showed he wanted her only as a broodmare to provide heirs. Charles didn't really do right by Diana and he apparently thought he had to have a broodmare to have his kids and still be able to go to his mistress on the side. Nobody can really have it all. Even Charles.


Title: Re: Charles & Camilla Relationship
Post by: Kuei Fei on January 26, 2013, 12:26:56 am
If Charles had to face real consequences for his actions and accepted limitations, I believe that he might be happy. He looked happy before his marriage to Camilla and I often wonder when he won't be able to get what he wants one day. He's never taken responsibility because someone else has always taken care of unpleasant things for him.


Title: Re: Charles & Camilla Relationship
Post by: Stephanie on February 02, 2013, 02:52:09 pm
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2272134/Prince-Charles-Gordonstoun-Punched-slept-friends-tortured-pliers-wonder-called-Colditz-kilts.html#axzz2Jkff0env
CPB took advantage of the fact that PC had no experience with women.


Title: Re: Charles & Camilla Relationship
Post by: Tatiana on May 03, 2013, 02:42:54 am
 YES SHE DID .. she has been sleeping around since she was 16 .. car key and knicker parties ... lovely woman .. :ick:


Title: Re: Charles & Camilla Relationship
Post by: Stephanie on May 03, 2013, 10:16:02 pm
 :ick:
http://artemisiasroyaljewels.blogspot.nl/2013/03/jewels-of-week-camillas-jewels-diamond_19.html
This relationship is so sick and twisted.
Right after the Wrinkly Homewrecker manages to destroy a family, Diana's death, Wimpo and Harry in an emotional meltdown and the monarchy on the verge of collapsing PC gives Camzilla a diamond SNAKE necklace!


Title: Re: Charles & Camilla Relationship
Post by: Fly on the wall on May 07, 2013, 01:41:02 pm

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Wimpo and Harry in an emotional meltdown

^  :sigh: yup


Title: Re: Charles & Camilla Relationship
Post by: CathyJane on May 07, 2013, 11:21:20 pm
 :thumbsup:


Title: Re: Charles & Camilla Relationship
Post by: CrystalEve on August 09, 2013, 09:53:07 pm
:ick:
http://artemisiasroyaljewels.blogspot.nl/2013/03/jewels-of-week-camillas-jewels-diamond_19.html
This relationship is so sick and twisted.
Right after the Wrinkly Homewrecker manages to destroy a family, Diana's death, Wimpo and Harry in an emotional meltdown and the monarchy on the verge of collapsing PC gives Camzilla a diamond SNAKE necklace!

I heard that he gave her the snake necklace for her fiftieth birthday, just before Diana was murdered.


Title: Re: Charles & Camilla Relationship
Post by: gingerboy24 on August 09, 2013, 09:56:55 pm
:ick:
http://artemisiasroyaljewels.blogspot.nl/2013/03/jewels-of-week-camillas-jewels-diamond_19.html
This relationship is so sick and twisted.
Right after the Wrinkly Homewrecker manages to destroy a family, Diana's death, Wimpo and Harry in an emotional meltdown and the monarchy on the verge of collapsing PC gives Camzilla a diamond SNAKE necklace!

I heard that he gave her the snake necklace for her fiftieth birthday, just before Diana was murdered.

Wouldn´t surprise me one bit, he is such a snake in the grass, shame they didn´t get matching necklaces  -  a rotten pair of snakes together.


Title: Re: Charles & Camilla Relationship
Post by: Tatiana on August 09, 2013, 09:58:34 pm

   HISS to both of them .. odious pair


Title: Re: Charles & Camilla Relationship
Post by: mysha on August 10, 2013, 06:07:45 pm
The snake is symbolic in more than on way

Snake in the grass but also High Priestess

Karma is a funny old thing, the longer it takes the harder it hits


@Tatiana, I think we might have friends in common. My inlaws were the QM doctors for over 40 years at Ballater ie Balmoral


Title: Re: Charles & Camilla Relationship
Post by: CrystalEve on August 12, 2013, 03:35:44 pm
Makes me wonder if Camzilla is there as a kind of prop these days, because the rumour that Prince Charles is bisexual, and has been threatened with blackmail before will not go away!
Could this possibly be another reason Camzilla  :spy: has a hold over him?
Who knows, such a very bizarre relationship?


Title: Re: Charles & Camilla Relationship
Post by: gingerboy24 on August 12, 2013, 03:40:17 pm
Makes me wonder if Camzilla is there as a kind of prop these days, because the rumour that Prince Charles is bisexual, and has been threatened with blackmail before will not go away!
Could this possibly be another reason Camzilla  :spy: has a hold over him?
Who knows, such a very bizarre relationship?

Makes sense, you never know.


Title: Re: Charles & Camilla Relationship
Post by: mysha on August 12, 2013, 05:13:17 pm
Gay since Lousi Battenburg showed him the way
Gay gay gay and weird,sick,kinky to boot

Camz is his PR spin, protector and Mother figure and high priestess ( employed to show him the straight way )
so you get the tart slapper car key kinda gal

QM and Camz were in cohorts.


Title: Re: Charles & Camilla Relationship
Post by: gingerboy24 on August 12, 2013, 05:23:16 pm
Gay since Lousi Battenburg showed him the way
Gay gay gay and weird,sick,kinky to boot

Camz is his PR spin, protector and Mother figure and high priestess ( employed to show him the straight way )
so you get the tart slapper car key kinda gal

QM and Camz were in cohorts.

How awful, what a disgusting old man.  No wonder he looks older than his age, all the worry of people finding out.  I almost feel sorry for the sprog of wimpo, having that as a grandfather.  Also makes you wonder what wasty might have to put up with in regard to wimpo, you just don´t know do you.  Ugh, gross, can´t bear to think about it.


Title: Re: Charles & Camilla Relationship
Post by: mysha on August 12, 2013, 06:08:50 pm
harry and Wimpo would be the first straight man in the RF  :-X


Title: Re: Charles & Camilla Relationship
Post by: sandy on August 12, 2013, 07:50:46 pm
Gay since Lousi Battenburg showed him the way
Gay gay gay and weird,sick,kinky to boot

Camz is his PR spin, protector and Mother figure and high priestess ( employed to show him the straight way )
so you get the tart slapper car key kinda gal

QM and Camz were in cohorts.

It was sordid for Uncle Mountbatten to be so concerned about Chazz's sex life. He even provided beds for Charles to sleep with Camilla or ladies he used for sex. I think he actually prefers Fawcett to Camilla.


Title: Re: Charles & Camilla Relationship
Post by: Tatiana on August 12, 2013, 08:46:55 pm

   I agree with you Sandy  :flower:


Title: Re: Charles & Camilla Relationship
Post by: Kit on August 17, 2013, 12:42:22 am
Camilla is the mother figure Charles always desired.

Wm married Kate bc he wanted Carole as his surrogate mother with Diana gone.

I'm not sure who's worse, really?

Edward was the same way according to his mistresses. 

Perhaps it's a family thing, maybe this explains why Andrew can't give Fergie the boot.



Title: Re: Charles & Camilla Relationship
Post by: mysha on August 17, 2013, 06:10:27 pm
Cammie is Chuckies mummy and cover for Fawcett. Cam accepts Chuckles kinky likes
She is his cover and was made to marry her after he outed her on tv

Wimpo married a surrogate mother in Carolilla and got his Jewess
the date of engagement was interesting and was told to marry to cover up a few things


Chucky likes doggies does he ? hence he got himself a Rotweiler


Title: Re: Charles & Camilla Relationship
Post by: Stephanie on September 14, 2013, 08:19:48 am
http://www.celebdirtylaundry.com/2013/camilla-parker-bowles-prince-charles-divorce-split-dump-globe-0911/


Title: Re: Charles & Camilla Relationship
Post by: Kuei Fei on October 18, 2013, 02:09:43 am
I wonder if Camilla is aware of just how nasty William and Harry are going to get after Charles is gone; there are a lot of vicious ways for the princes to make her pay for all she's gained and I don't think Charles will be able to protect her once he's dead. If William wanted, he could prevent her from getting an income and clothes and jewels won't pay her bills unless she sells her jewels, that is, the jewels that William doesn't confiscate from her when he has the chance.

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He chose Diana to marry and have his heirs. Camilla did not have his children. Diana is one up on Camilla in that regard.

There is no record of Charles asking Camilla to divorce Andrew. Even in Charles' authorized biography this is not claimed. Charles wants to be King and I doubt he'd have risked this by marrying a divorcee which back then was strongly discouraged.

It was considered taboo for a senior royal to name the mistress publicly. Charles broke conventions in that regard.

Thing is, I don't think Charles really wanted Camilla to stop being his mistress, but drew the line at being the wife. Even when Camilla was single he dithered and viewed her as a mistress and Diana will always be William's mother and if something had happened to Charles, Diana would have been in charge (with Andrew as Prince Regent) and I cannot imagine just how bad things would have been made for Camilla at the hands of Diana and Andrew. Camilla could have ended up divorced, bankrupt, with no future income.


Title: Re: Charles & Camilla Relationship
Post by: Polonia on October 18, 2013, 03:45:58 am
Camilla is independently wealthy - she inherited half a million pounds when she was 21 years old from her maternal grandmother - and in those days that was a vast fortune!!!


Title: Re: Charles & Camilla Relationship
Post by: CathyJane on October 18, 2013, 08:48:40 pm
I wonder if Camilla is aware of just how nasty William and Harry are going to get after Charles is gone; there are a lot of vicious ways for the princes to make her pay for all she's gained and I don't think Charles will be able to protect her once he's dead. If William wanted, he could prevent her from getting an income and clothes and jewels won't pay her bills unless she sells her jewels, that is, the jewels that William doesn't confiscate from her when he has the chance.

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He chose Diana to marry and have his heirs. Camilla did not have his children. Diana is one up on Camilla in that regard.

There is no record of Charles asking Camilla to divorce Andrew. Even in Charles' authorized biography this is not claimed. Charles wants to be King and I doubt he'd have risked this by marrying a divorcee which back then was strongly discouraged.

It was considered taboo for a senior royal to name the mistress publicly. Charles broke conventions in that regard.

Thing is, I don't think Charles really wanted Camilla to stop being his mistress, but drew the line at being the wife. Even when Camilla was single he dithered and viewed her as a mistress and Diana will always be William's mother and if something had happened to Charles, Diana would have been in charge (with Andrew as Prince Regent) and I cannot imagine just how bad things would have been made for Camilla at the hands of Diana and Andrew. Camilla could have ended up divorced, bankrupt, with no future income.


I would hope that Cammie is not that stupid as to assume W&H will continue to tolerate her after Chuck is dead. I doubt Fawcett will be of much help to her. 8)


Title: Re: Charles & Camilla Relationship
Post by: Kuei Fei on October 19, 2013, 03:33:47 am
Camilla is independently wealthy - she inherited half a million pounds when she was 21 years old from her maternal grandmother - and in those days that was a vast fortune!!!

That was a long time ago and now Charles pays for her.


Title: Re: Charles & Camilla Relationship
Post by: sandy on October 19, 2013, 03:37:48 am
I read she had money problems. Charles had to buy back some of the Alice Keppel jewels for her.


Title: Re: Charles & Camilla Relationship
Post by: RoyalWatcher on October 19, 2013, 04:39:29 am
Isn't that why he finally came public and married her, because he had been carrying her on her books for some time?



Title: Re: Charles & Camilla Relationship
Post by: Kuei Fei on October 19, 2013, 07:57:42 am
Yeah, the tart (according to Tina Brown) successfully argued that a visible royal mistress needs to look good and Charles opened his wallet.


Title: Re: Charles & Camilla Relationship
Post by: serene grace on October 19, 2013, 08:20:19 am

He bought the Keppel jewels for her as a token of twisted love of some sort,not because of money problems. The Keppel pieces had come up for auction, Charles wanted to buy them for her.  In fact he seeks them out at auctions, estate sales, etc.
Camila had Her lover pay for her needs, she's old school hooch. IMO
I think Prince Charles wanted to pay for her. He paid for his mistress.  As Kuei Fei said He opened his wallet to his mistress.

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"According to her friends, Camilla reveled in her illustrous ancestor's royal connection (apparently Prince Charles is equally fascinated. He has been on a mission to buy Camilla pieces of jewelry once owned by Alice Keppel, perhaps given to her by Edward VII)

After a year at finishing school, Camilla made her London debut as a debutante. She also inherited $1.5MM from a relative. Still, even though, she didn't need the money, Camilla joined the workforce, taking a job at the tony decorating firm of Colefax & Fowler.
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In 1966, she met Andrew Park Bowles, her future husband. Like her, Andrew came from a well connected and aristocratic family from Berkshire. His father, Derek, was a great-grandson of the 6th Earl of Macclesfield, and his mother, Anna was the daughter of millionaire Sir Humphrey de Trafford. Twenty-seven at the time they met, he was educated at Sandhurst and was a lieutenant in the Blues and Royals regiment of the Royal Horse Guard. Camilla was instantly smitten with Parker-Bowles camera ready good-looks. On his side, despite the many beautiful woman he squired, there was something about the earthy, bawdy Camilla that intrigued him. For seven years they had an on-again, off-again relationship. From the beginning, Andrew Parker-Bowles was not faithful. "Andrew behaved abominably to Camilla," a friend Lady Caroline Percy said, "But she was desperate to marry him." He had many girlfriends, including at one point, Princess Anne
http://scandalouswoman.blogspot.no/2008/07/how-do-you-solve-problem-like-camilla.html

The Windsor male heirs to the Throne are really twisted. IMO


Title: Re: Charles & Camilla Relationship
Post by: sandy on October 19, 2013, 07:49:34 pm
According to Sarah Bradford's book and other books about Diana, Charles would buy expensive jewels or Camilla and would buy cheap souvenirs for his wife. Including a straw hat from Wales with fake fruit on it.  Diana told a friend: I thought the tarts got the paste and the wife got the jewels.


Title: Re: Charles & Camilla Relationship
Post by: Kuei Fei on October 19, 2013, 07:59:04 pm
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"Andrew behaved abominably to Camilla," a friend Lady Caroline Percy said, "But she was desperate to marry him." He had many girlfriends, including at one point, Princess Anne

Just like William treated Kate; like Kate, Camilla didn't respect herself enough to just walk away.


Title: Re: Charles & Camilla Relationship
Post by: serene grace on October 19, 2013, 08:01:00 pm
 :sigh:


Title: Re: Charles & Camilla Relationship
Post by: Kuei Fei on October 19, 2013, 08:42:14 pm
I think Kate might end up having affairs with men to soothe her own self imposed misery; Camilla never had to marry someone like that, but go figure, Camilla did it. As did Kate. So it's only a short matter of time until KAte starts messing with other husbands and creates a horrendous amount of misery in someone else's life.


Title: Re: Charles & Camilla Relationship
Post by: sandy on October 19, 2013, 08:52:27 pm
Andrew Parker Bowles though cuckolded got a lot of mileage out of sharing his wife with the Prince. She had her Sugar Daddy, lots of jewels and perks and her family got benefits. APB is "in" and invited to many royal events because he played nice.   Camilla knew all the right buttons to press re: Charles and even got to be his "mentor" after Mountbatten died. Camilla knew she could always bed the Prince and some sources say she and Charles carried on except during the times of the conceptions and births of her Parker Bowles children.


Title: Re: Charles & Camilla Relationship
Post by: serene grace on October 19, 2013, 08:57:00 pm
APB also had his own affairs going during the entire marriage, so he was more than happy to have Camilla occupied with the future King.

I could never understand why on earth APB married Camilla, many have said he was cheating the whole time and this was during the years Charles was away, so Camilla wasn't involved with Charles during that time, Charles was out to sea and away.

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From the beginning, Andrew Parker-Bowles was not faithful


Title: Re: Charles & Camilla Relationship
Post by: sandy on October 20, 2013, 01:53:12 am
The two were unfaithful to each other during the courtship so it really was not so surprising how the marriage turned out. Perversely, APB saw Camila as a "catch" after she bedded Charles. One biographer said instead of being upset he was "proud" of her. So there was much dysfunction between them and as far as their attitudes.


Title: Re: Charles & Camilla Relationship
Post by: Ceridwen on November 11, 2013, 07:21:48 pm
As someone one said, "I danced with a girl who danced with man whose girl danced with the Prince of Wales."   :spy:

I could never understand why would any one wants the royal garbage but I guess, if one wants to collect thrash, it might as well be thrown from the royal trash.   :wopedo:


Title: Re: Charles & Camilla Relationship
Post by: Fly on the wall on November 14, 2013, 04:47:11 am

A royal love story: Prince Charles and Camilla
It has been a long and at times painful journey, but the Duchess of Cornwall has now truly achieved the Royal seal of approval


On state occasions, pinned to the Duchess of Cornwall’s left shoulder, is a small but priceless trinket. It’s a miniature, painted on ivory, depicting a young Queen Elizabeth II in evening dress and wearing the ribbon and star of the Order of the Garter.
To the knowledgeable few, it shows just how the Duchess’s fortunes have changed. The Royal Family Order is an intensely personal gift from the monarch, and perhaps the best indicator of how Camilla has won the Sovereign’s approval since her 2005 marriage to Prince Charles.
Rewind to that April day nearly nine years ago, and remember the Queen’s patently equivocal stance on the marriage of her son to the then Mrs Parker Bowles. We have grown used to the idea of Charles and Camilla as a couple, but back then things were very different.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/prince-charles/10432820/A-royal-love-story-Prince-Charles-and-Camilla.html


Title: Re: Charles & Camilla Relationship
Post by: sandy on November 14, 2013, 02:52:42 pm
I guess Christopher wants to be Sir Christopher when Charles becomes King. Hence the syrupy, cloying article. The Queen Mother was the one who didn't want the marriage. And Diana and others got the same order that Camilla got. With her whingeing son, I think the Queen had no choice but to cater to his whims and "recognize' Camilla. And what's laughable is how the writer wrings his hands over the "pain" Camilla "suffered." GMAB. The woman was always in the driver's seat and in control. She got rid of Diana and Kanga and got all the marbles.


Title: Re: Charles & Camilla Relationship
Post by: Ceridwen on November 15, 2013, 03:37:20 am
I used to think that good always win over evil but I guess when it comes to Camilla, it's not the case.  The evil is winning and will continue to win especially when such evil has the right connection (as the case when she becomes the Queen consort).  It's a shame !!!


Title: Re: Charles & Camilla Relationship
Post by: Freya on November 15, 2013, 04:33:26 am
^
Time will tell on this one and the big test will be when Liz proves mortal. Karma can be a *female dog*.


Title: Re: Charles & Camilla Relationship
Post by: Kuei Fei on November 15, 2013, 05:07:08 am
People thought Anne Boleyn had it made during her coronation to become crowned in her own right and then look at what happened three years later. HM is the only one holding the deluge away and I don't think Camilla is someone who can keep Charles going, he's the one supporting her all the time when you think about it. When he becomes king chances are he's going to start becoming a lot shorter with her and if she doesn't make it work, he'll start coming down on her and down on her hard.

Thing is, that I don't think he thinks as badly of his first wife as he puts on; deep down he knows that if he could have, he would have Diana at his side in public and official family life, with Camilla as his side piece. Just like if Henry VIII had been able to, he would have had Anne as mistress and Katherine of Aragon still his legitimate wife. Yet, Camilla stupidly edged (and attacked) Diana out and drove Diana out of British life. It was stupid since it put Camilla into a position she can't escape. Same with Anne.

The half life of evil is always short and Camilla has not been wife for too long, not even ten years yet. Seven, eight years is still a short time considering how long she was a mistress, even before Diana came along. Camilla is in fact very vulnerable. If Charles drops her, he might leave her with next to nothing and I think he only married her because he was going to be investigated and Camilla also knows that Charles' tyranny is in fact easily able to be directed at her.


Title: Re: Charles & Camilla Relationship
Post by: sandy on November 15, 2013, 04:56:42 pm
Charles blundered when he outed Camilla as is mistress. Andrew Parker Bowles was unwilling to put up with the facade anymore. Charles was confronted by Camilla's father. If he hadn't he might have remarried somebody more suitable that didn't have the baggage. He might have gotten more approval if he appeared to drop Camilla for good.  If he could dump Kanga he could have dumped Camilla too.


Title: Re: Charles & Camilla Relationship
Post by: CathyJane on November 15, 2013, 09:18:08 pm
That would have been the smart thing to do but Chucky is an idiot.  Cammie is his mummy/nanny/wife and he is positive that he can't live without her because she told him as much.


Title: Re: Charles & Camilla Relationship
Post by: Jane23 on November 15, 2013, 10:03:08 pm
I used to think that good always win over evil but I guess when it comes to Camilla, it's not the case.  The evil is winning and will continue to win especially when such evil has the right connection (as the case when she becomes the Queen consort).  It's a shame !!!
LOL what is that makes Cam "evil" sleeping with Chuck? Well Di slept with two married men  so ... I will never get what made Di "the good" and Cam "the evil" since out of the two Cam is the better one for always keeping her mouth shut ...other than that ... the two women did the same things ... some (and I am talking in general here not just you) are being very weird in branding Cam "evil" since wile she was sleeping with Chuck Di was doing Hewitt in every way and position ...


Title: Re: Charles & Camilla Relationship
Post by: Kuei Fei on November 15, 2013, 10:51:12 pm
Charles blundered when he outed Camilla as is mistress. Andrew Parker Bowles was unwilling to put up with the facade anymore. Charles was confronted by Camilla's father. If he hadn't he might have remarried somebody more suitable that didn't have the baggage. He might have gotten more approval if he appeared to drop Camilla for good.  If he could dump Kanga he could have dumped Camilla too.

Diana outed Camilla as well, in the Panorama interview or the Andrew Morton book.


Title: Re: Charles & Camilla Relationship
Post by: sandy on November 15, 2013, 11:28:34 pm
Morton did not name Camilla as Charles' mistress. It did not force the PB divorce. He called Camilla Charles "friend." And it was Diana's word against Charles and Charles friends lined up and said that C and C were "just friends."

Diana outed Camilla over one year after Charles named Camilla.

Charles himself outing her was unprecedented. No other Prince of wales or King named the mistress. This forced the PB divorce. APB could not play nice without looking like a fool since the Prince made it official.


Title: Re: Charles & Camilla Relationship
Post by: RoyalWatcher on November 16, 2013, 02:31:22 am
In olden times, the wife would have had the mistress beheaded if the wife felt threatened by her presence and delivered the head to the hubby. 

If this was such a great love story....exactly what does it say about Chuck?  That's he's an opportunist who used an aristocrat to breed his children?  And why didn't he make a commitment to his great love, before he got married?  Why didn't he stand up for this great-love, even if she would have been a divorce?  Apparently she's good enough to bed.....but not to have her bloodline show up in his offspring.

The press and chuck can call it anything they like.........they are both unfit for ruling the country due to their lack of moral fiber.  You don't screw around with someone else's wife, nor do you persue a married men while married yourself.

HM was wrong not to make Chuck choose between the Crown and his future second wife.  The Crown would have won.  HM is unfortnately a very weak and ineffectual parent.


Title: Re: Charles & Camilla Relationship
Post by: cate1949 on November 16, 2013, 07:38:43 am
there is so much he said she said it makes my head spin - some say Charles did not start up with Cam until after Diana and he were done - others say he was sleeping with Cam the night before his wedding - some say Diana was the first to cheat - I have no idea which of these many stories is true.  But - I agree the Queen really failed to manage this mess.  From the very beginning she and the so called "Palace" courtiers did not anticipate the consequences of all this cheating.  QE and PP failed to make sure the precautions were in place so that RF members were not being spied upon - how could they have been so lax with security that Charles phone was bugged and the horrible "tampon" message became public?  Or that precautions were in place to assure that the whole semi naked Fergie and the toe sucking pics did not happen?  And they still have not learned - H and W's phones were bugged and Kate had her nudie pics.  QE did not stop PC from doing that damaging TV interview - she did not even know Diana was going to do the devastating Panorama interview.  The only time she intervened was after so much damage had been done that PP finally said enough and the whole lot of them got divorced.  It would have been so much more sensible to have stopped things from going that far and told PC  that once he got married Camilla had to go.

The Queen is responsible for protecting the monarchy - both its continuance and its integrity.  I guess we'll see if she was successful in doing that.


Title: Re: Charles & Camilla Relationship
Post by: sandy on November 16, 2013, 09:17:10 pm
Charles authorized biography gives the facts. Charles himself admitted he was involved with Camilla in the early seventies, after her marriage (ca-1979-80) and ca. 1986 though some say they resumed contact in 1983. In any case Stephen Barry reported Charles was putting out phone calls to her on his honeymoon with Diana.. I don't think Charles really 'dropped" Camilla to Diana's distress. Diana realized she'd always play second fiddle to Camilla. Charles should have gone into the marriaeo Diana and ditched Camilla, no calls, no visits nothing.  Diana was pretty much dumped by Charles after she had the heir and spare.


Title: Re: Charles & Camilla Relationship
Post by: Kuei Fei on November 16, 2013, 09:37:54 pm
One thing I do know, is that in the past no prince let his mistress destabilize his position; same with JFK, and any other American politician and frankly I admit that Charles is pathetic. Diana's lovers never got to interfere in her role as Princess of Wales (as Sarah Bradford pointed out) and Diana never would have let her love life run her position. Charles let Camilla interfere with the number of heirs he had and let Camilla usurp the position of hostess in his own marital home. Camilla did interfere in his marriage by making it out that Diana was completely out of her mind and did wage her own malicious campaign against the woman who was "HRH The Princess of Wales" and who was supposed to become the future Queen Consort of Britain and the Commonwealth. No mistress since Anne Boleyn had the guts to pull something like that. When I think about it, that should be one reason alone that Charles should never be King since after all, he's weak enough to let a mistress overthrow a wife, how can he protect the dynasty.


Title: Re: Charles & Camilla Relationship
Post by: sandy on November 17, 2013, 01:39:45 am
Anne Boleyn gave birth to Elizabeth which is one plus. Camilla contributed no heirs for Charles.  I thought today if Camilla had not dictated things to Charles, he and Diana could have had perhaps 4 children and could have been a real family without the mistress pulling the strings. The Queen should have nipped Charles involvement with her in the bud, giving him a choice Camilla or the throne. Before he died, Mountbatten scolded Charles in a letter that became public, disapproving of hi s lifestyle. He supposedly influenced the decision to send Charles out to sea for several months doing a navy tour. He wanted to separate him from Camilla, his advice for Charles to sow wild oats, backfired big time. He even let Charles use Broadlands  for intimate weekends with Camilla. Had he lived I think he might have arranged the Parker Bowles being sent to some military station overseas.


Title: Re: Charles & Camilla Relationship
Post by: Ceridwen on November 17, 2013, 01:52:37 am
One thing I do know, is that in the past no prince let his mistress destabilize his position; same with JFK, and any other American politician and frankly I admit that Charles is pathetic. Diana's lovers never got to interfere in her role as Princess of Wales (as Sarah Bradford pointed out) and Diana never would have let her love life run her position. Charles let Camilla interfere with the number of heirs he had and let Camilla usurp the position of hostess in his own marital home. Camilla did interfere in his marriage by making it out that Diana was completely out of her mind and did wage her own malicious campaign against the woman who was "HRH The Princess of Wales" and who was supposed to become the future Queen Consort of Britain and the Commonwealth. No mistress since Anne Boleyn had the guts to pull something like that. When I think about it, that should be one reason alone that Charles should never be King since after all, he's weak enough to let a mistress overthrow a wife, how can he protect the dynasty.

 :goodpost:  Kuei Fei and because of that, it made Charles a weakling that he let his mistress took over his life, hence, unfit to be king.  


Title: Re: Charles & Camilla Relationship
Post by: CathyJane on November 17, 2013, 02:34:12 am
One thing I do know, is that in the past no prince let his mistress destabilize his position; same with JFK, and any other American politician and frankly I admit that Charles is pathetic. Diana's lovers never got to interfere in her role as Princess of Wales (as Sarah Bradford pointed out) and Diana never would have let her love life run her position. Charles let Camilla interfere with the number of heirs he had and let Camilla usurp the position of hostess in his own marital home. Camilla did interfere in his marriage by making it out that Diana was completely out of her mind and did wage her own malicious campaign against the woman who was "HRH The Princess of Wales" and who was supposed to become the future Queen Consort of Britain and the Commonwealth. No mistress since Anne Boleyn had the guts to pull something like that. When I think about it, that should be one reason alone that Charles should never be King since after all, he's weak enough to let a mistress overthrow a wife, how can he protect the dynasty.

Couldn't have said it better myself. I have deep pity for the British Empire when Liz dies.


Title: Re: Charles & Camilla Relationship
Post by: sandy on November 17, 2013, 02:50:29 am
And Charles is too stupid not to give Camilla a low profile. With the PR in the Daily Mail and other papers, she is made out to be a "girlish" "glamorous" woman who makes Charles oh so happy.  It is very offputting and I think Palace staff works the arrows to give the sickening praise of her green arrows. And the comments are unbelievable and many say he should have been "allowed to" marry Camila in the first place. The truth is and according to his own authorized biography he didn't tell her to wait for him when he went to sea thinking himself "too young" to marry. The man decided not to marry her when she married somebody else he should have moved on and cut ties with her. Charles thought he was entitled to anything he wanted even married women. Charles should have lived with his choices and thought Camilla should be off limits. Camilla clung to her Sugar Daddy, she didn't like the dull life of a country 'housewife' with Andrew Parker Bowles and wanted the perks and privileges of being the mistress to the Prince. If he had been Charles Jones I doubt she'd have given him the time of day.


Title: Re: Charles & Camilla Relationship
Post by: Kuei Fei on November 17, 2013, 05:26:03 am
Camilla is insanely lucky she's not living in modern Britain; imagine all those Muslims seeing someone has hot as Diana being cheated on and deprived children, it would have set all of them off of Diana's behalf. Imagine William cheating on a wife and keeping Kate as a mistress and deliberately not providing his wife with children. The Muslims would be burning the village of Berkshire down as well. Camilla never understood that if you're going to be a mistress, get used to being a low profile or being a target. As for Camilla's married life, she stupidly went after a man who wasn't going to respect her in the first place to be faithful to. Stupid woman.

It's telling that Camilla has been overseas, but she's never really mingled with the rest of the European elite since her marriage and she has not been publicly greeted or hosted by the Arab royalty and hasn't been welcomed by the European royals as well. She's there by Charles, but since then the doors have shut on Charles' face as well.

He wanted to separate him from Camilla, his advice for Charles to sow wild oats, backfired big time. He even let Charles use Broadlands  for intimate weekends with Camilla. Had he lived I think he might have arranged the Parker Bowles being sent to some military station overseas.

I think if Dickie had lived to see things develop, he would have arranged for Camilla to meet an accident. Dickie was a dipwit, but he knew the value of Charles' title and respected it far more than even HM. I am certain that Dickie would have ended up berating Charles for not appreciating all he had in a wife and didn't really realize that the sole comfort of many royal wives has been their children and royal women have been entitled to as many children as it pleases them. Not even Anne Boleyn would have stopped Henry VIII from giving Katherine more children if in fact Katherine had been able to have them. It's unprecedented that a prince not give his wife numerous kids for her comfort and heirs for himself. The Kennedy men were chronic adulterers, but they gave their wives as many kids as the wives wanted and didn't let mistresses interfere.


Title: Re: Charles & Camilla Relationship
Post by: india on November 17, 2013, 09:22:24 pm
 :goodpost:


Title: Re: Charles & Camilla Relationship
Post by: CathyJane on November 17, 2013, 10:54:52 pm
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Title: Re: Charles & Camilla Relationship
Post by: Yooper on November 18, 2013, 03:40:02 am
^I get slightly confused here because, historically, and not THAT long ago, the mistress wielded a tremendous amount of power, ie, Pompadour, Barbara Villiers,  and Camilla's lineage, Alice Keppel.  This has been the norm more than the oddity, so it could be argued that PC was just following in footsteps.

That still doesn't explain, fully, to me why he married Camilla.  Unless it's the real thing and he loves her.  Could she have, instead of marriage, been his 'special attendant' or whatever the Brits call it instead of thrusting her into a role that, for me, still seems off kilter?


Title: Re: Charles & Camilla Relationship
Post by: Kuei Fei on November 18, 2013, 05:29:23 am
In the past, mistresses didn't overthrow the wife and a prince/king never refused to have kids with the wife if the mistress objected. The wife was entitled to children and the mistress might have intrigued against the queen or disliked the Queen, but for someone like Camilla to overthrow the legitimate wife is fairly rare. Anne Boleyn only succeeded because Katherine of Aragon was barren and Henry was desperate for an heir. If Katherine hadn't been barren then I am certain that Henry would have never gotten rid of Katherine. Diana was fertile, eager for children, young enough to have a child each year, but it never happened. Even Prince Philip didn't deny HM children when she wanted them. Alice Keppel never mouthed off about Alexandra and I am certain that Edward VII never would have dared deny Alexandra children when she wanted them. One interesting fact is that the mistresses of Charles II worked to keep Catherine of Braganza on the throne since they were afraid Charles II would marry a fertile princess and produce children that would replace the illegitimate ones in the affections of the king. So it's rare that a Princess of Wales would get tossed off and it's pretty unprecedented that a prince would be married to a drop dead gorgeous aristocrat with so much lineage and end up being fertile to boot. I think that a lot of Charles' ancestors are spinning wildly in their tombs that Charles would willingly marry someone old, barren, and unable to give him fresh heirs. Any other ancestor would have LOVED being married to someone as dazzling as Diana, fertile to have a bunch of kids to boot. Men in Charles' time were stuck with women who looked like Camilla and were sometimes barren. Go figure, Charles had the best of choices and made a fabulous initial choice, but go figure, he threw it all away over Camilla who did nothing but hold him back.

I am dead sure that marrying Camilla was another big mistake. Such a sudden decision I am suspicious of the timing and the sudden change. Marrying Camilla undid all his hard work at restoring his credibility. I think it was caused because of a tiff over seating; Camilla wanted a prominent place, but because of her status as a commoner, she was only entitled to a place near the back or with the rest of the crowd and Charles got upset over it. For some reason he thought she should have had better seating.


Title: Re: Charles & Camilla Relationship
Post by: sandy on November 18, 2013, 02:32:36 pm
^I get slightly confused here because, historically, and not THAT long ago, the mistress wielded a tremendous amount of power, ie, Pompadour, Barbara Villiers,  and Camilla's lineage, Alice Keppel.  This has been the norm more than the oddity, so it could be argued that PC was just following in footsteps.

That still doesn't explain, fully, to me why he married Camilla.  Unless it's the real thing and he loves her.  Could she have, instead of marriage, been his 'special attendant' or whatever the Brits call it instead of thrusting her into a role that, for me, still seems off kilter?

I don't think it's the "real thing" if it were he would not have married Diana nor courted other women. He would have told Camilla to wait for him when he went to sea. Had Diana not objected, Camilla IMO would still be mistress

Alice Keppel knew her place and never badmouthed Alexandra. As I recall DuBarry got into it with Marie Antoinette over influence at court. But she was the mistress of Louis XV not Marie's  husband Louis XVI. As I recall Louis XV's wife was deceased when DuBarry had a lot of influence.  Pompadour was supposedly less pushy than DuBarry.

Charles II never replaced his wife with any one of the mistresses.

Charles became obligated when he named Camilla publicly. That was a no no and at that point he was confronted by her father and APB divorced her.


Title: Re: Charles & Camilla Relationship
Post by: serene grace on November 18, 2013, 11:53:18 pm
I think Camilla is finding that Charles is a lot of work.
In the past, mistresses didn't overthrow the wife and a prince/king never refused to have kids with the wife if the mistress objected. The wife was entitled to children and the mistress might have intrigued against the queen or disliked the Queen, but for someone like Camilla to overthrow the legitimate wife is fairly rare. Anne Boleyn only succeeded because Katherine of Aragon was barren and Henry was desperate for an heir. If Katherine hadn't been barren then I am certain that Henry would have never gotten rid of Katherine. Diana was fertile, eager for children, young enough to have a child each year, but it never happened. Even Prince Philip didn't deny HM children when she wanted them. Alice Keppel never mouthed off about Alexandra and I am certain that Edward VII never would have dared deny Alexandra children when she wanted them. One interesting fact is that the mistresses of Charles II worked to keep Catherine of Braganza on the throne since they were afraid Charles II would marry a fertile princess and produce children that would replace the illegitimate ones in the affections of the king. So it's rare that a Princess of Wales would get tossed off and it's pretty unprecedented that a prince would be married to a drop dead gorgeous aristocrat with so much lineage and end up being fertile to boot. I think that a lot of Charles' ancestors are spinning wildly in their tombs that Charles would willingly marry someone old, barren, and unable to give him fresh heirs. Any other ancestor would have LOVED being married to someone as dazzling as Diana, fertile to have a bunch of kids to boot. Men in Charles' time were stuck with women who looked like Camilla and were sometimes barren. Go figure, Charles had the best of choices and made a fabulous initial choice, but go figure, he threw it all away over Camilla who did nothing but hold him back.

I am dead sure that marrying Camilla was another big mistake. Such a sudden decision I am suspicious of the timing and the sudden change. Marrying Camilla undid all his hard work at restoring his credibility. I think it was caused because of a tiff over seating; Camilla wanted a prominent place, but because of her status as a commoner, she was only entitled to a place near the back or with the rest of the crowd and Charles got upset over it. For some reason he thought she should have had better seating.

I wonder if in private with close friends either or both sometimes have regrets for marrying.
Camilla makes it seem like Charles is a lot of work lately, or that she has trouble keeping up with him. I wonder if she'd just sometimes like to be a Raymill House kicking back in her slacks and sweaters and not have to do duties or play the supportive partner to his needs.

I wonder if Charles misses the respect and worldwide adoration he and Diana had as a couple during the early glory years, before rumours of his affair came to surface.

I don't understand why the Windsor heirs don't have much common sense when it comes to women.
All he had to do was keep his marriage together, why was that such a hard task for him? Did he really need Camilla as a wife?


Title: Re: Charles & Camilla Relationship
Post by: Kuei Fei on November 19, 2013, 12:28:07 am
Maybe Camilla mistakenly thought that marriage would bring complete comfort and leisure, much like a certain Middleton we know of now. AS for common sense, none of these princes have anything resembling the sort since after all, look at who they have insisted on marrying. For men who want to be normal, they really are complete idiots. Normal men don't marry the women these princes have, not with their baggage and snotty attitudes. Charles had the glory days with Diana, but refused to face reality that Camilla was no mistress that was going to know her place. I am certain that Camilla's foolish idea that she would have to toss aside caution has been drastically mistaken. Camilla could have walked away at some point and ended up with her own family life.

I wonder what it is about these tarts that make men so chivalrous about them. Why be protective of a woman strong enough to end up tarting with you, staying in hotels and other various places as if they're delicate flowers? I mean really, it's sickening how Camilla's endless lovers are suddenly eliminated as if Camilla was as pure as snow (just like Kate). I wonder why Kate and Camilla don't get along better, considering that their pasts are now at this point in time exactly the same.


Title: Re: Charles & Camilla Relationship
Post by: ChickP83 on November 19, 2013, 01:09:09 am
The issue was that Charles was in love with Camilla. Charles and Camila might have wanted to simply keep up the tradition of heirs and Kings having mistresses. Diana might have been a historical anomoly in that she was actually in love with the heir apparent, and was deeply resentful and heartbroken at Charles not being in love with her. Charles could have boffed her all he wanted, but not just be in love with her.  Diana did team up with Kanga to try and take down Camilla, so she obviously had no issues with "typical" mistresses.
Even if Charles had ditched Camilla, he would not have all of a sudden fell in love with Diana. I don't know what Charles could have done to make Diana happy and not go to Morton to keep the marriage together.


Title: Re: Charles & Camilla Relationship
Post by: sandy on November 19, 2013, 01:18:44 am
Charles brushed off Diana's pleas for him to drop Camilla.

She put up with this for ten years before cooperating with Morton.

Maybe in the 19th century mistresses were more condoned. But it was still wrong. Alexandra was a princess in her own right but Edward VII had many mistresses throughout their marriage and Alexandra was expected to look the other way. Though none of the mistresses would have dared speak ill of the wife or try to usurp her role.

In the twentieth century and now there is a backlash of women being treated badly by hubby thinking it OK to keep another woman on the side. Camilla even dictated how many children Diana could have.

There is no record of Diana and Kanga teaming up to oust Camilla. They were sympathetic with each other but had already been ditched by the Prince. There was little if anything they could do.

The point is if Charles knew he didn't love Diana he had no business marrying her. If he had sat down and explained to Diana all the terms and I mean all of the marriage and she knew that he didn't love her but she would live in luxury and provide him with heirs and appear on ceremonial occasions, and she agreed that would be another matter. But he courted her and she felt he loved her.

I think couples if they are not interfered with by third parties can work on a marriage. Of course it would have been possible for Charles to fall in love with his wife if Camilla weren't butting in.


Title: Re: Charles & Camilla Relationship
Post by: Kuei Fei on November 19, 2013, 03:22:07 am
You know, just maybe there might be forgiveness if Camilla owned up to the fact that she is an adulteress and didn't bash Diana to bring up Camilla. If anyone should have been the target, it should have been Camilla, not Diana. The Queen Mother should have unleashed the dogs on Camilla, not Diana and Camilla should be made to remain morganatic, whether she likes it or not. She's lucky she's married and not the one who was in France in August.

As for adultery in modern times, there's no excused because these days there is no requirement at all that people have to marry a certain type and as for women messing with married men, bad bad bad bad bad idea and no excuse. Plenty of men out there and we don't need men to end up getting anywhere. Camilla was fairly well off after her divorce and if invested wisely, could have ended up well in funds, but she threw it all away and then leeched off of Charles.

Until Camilla owns up to the fact that she did a lot of damage and stops trying to justify it, she'll be hated and disliked.


Title: Re: Charles & Camilla Relationship
Post by: Yooper on November 19, 2013, 04:35:55 am
For me, I think Charles pushed to marry Camilla to validate his behavior in his marriage to Diana.  "See?  I really do love her!"   So, it's kind of a sham, really.  But, I do believe they are very close and have common interests which helps, but a big romance now?  I don't see it.  It's just legitimized and the period at the end of a long sentence.

Diana and Charles seemed to be coming to terms with things before the end if I recall but Charles was still hanging out with Camilla and her bunch and that was that. 

All in all not much in the way of setting high standards to follow with this batch.


Title: Re: Charles & Camilla Relationship
Post by: sandy on November 19, 2013, 02:39:06 pm
Not only to validate his behavior but he boxed himself into a corner when he made that Confession about her being his mistress --via his authorized biographer. He was more or less stuck and spent lots of $$$ trying to whitewash the sordidness and spinning the "great love" despite the fact that both were married to others and he was seeing other women all along the time of the "great love."  She IMO is a grasping greedy woman despite the spin and did not want to give up the perks and privileges of being mistress to the Prince. The motive IMO of these two was more selfishness and entitlement than any sort of love. A loving woman would have told the Prince go work on your marriage and then stopped seeing him for good. I think both of them are out for No. 1. I don't think they are even close anymore. He is trying desperately to justify what he did to Diana and now packages Camilla as some perfect woman so those who don't know the past will t hink of her as a sweet old lady who came into Charles life later on and airbrush Diana out. There is the cloying talk about how the boys are so close to her (which I doubt). Charles is trying to recreate history. But the worst part is that he and Camilla don't appear to be the least bit sorry for their treatment of Diana. He never even mentions Diana when it comes to baby George even saying something so simple as it's too bad Diana is not here to see him or something to that effect.  And Charles is so oblivious in his zest to promote himself and Camilla he apparently thought it OK for Camilla to attend the 2007 Diana Memorial Service.

Charles was still involved with Camilla and had that huge birthday party at Highgrove while Diana was still alive that Summer. I think Diana was still wary of him and I don't blame her though it is spun that they were "friends."


Title: Re: Charles & Camilla Relationship
Post by: RoyalWatcher on November 19, 2013, 04:43:33 pm
But if Chuck does mention Di....he's going to get crucified whether or not he's sincere.  He could have made an off the cuff remark when the baby was born.....that he wished that his other grandmother Diana was here to meet him.  I'm pretty sure that someone would have brought up the fact that had his grandmother had her own security on that fateful night, she would have been here.

In this case, the less that Charles says about Diana, the better off he is.  Most people have a less than stellar opinion of Charles and Camillia, discretion on his part would be greatly appreciated.




Title: Re: Charles & Camilla Relationship
Post by: sandy on November 19, 2013, 04:50:10 pm
That's kismet to think if she did this or that she would not have been in Paris on August 30. It happened. It's like saying if only JFK Jr had booked a flight to go to his cousin's wedding. Some things just can't be helped and what ifs are just that.  If one says it was the fault of her not keeping security then it can also be said what if Charles dropped Camilla and worked on his marriage to Diana.

It is true that Charles would look possibly hypocritical saying this but on this occasion maybe a word or two about the other grandmother would not hurt.  I thought Charles a large  hypocrite putting out he was Diana's widower spin but that's a different matter.  And his apparent "mourning" of Diana was quickly despatched and he started on another round of PR for Camilla which involved his friends trashing Diana (Penny Junor didn't waste anytime putting out a book vilifying Diana and even sending the MS to St.  James Palace where Charles dwelled).

But at the same time making it seem that Camilla can "substitute" for Diana is just gross as far as I'm concerned.


Title: Re: Charles & Camilla Relationship
Post by: serene grace on November 19, 2013, 05:54:24 pm
If Charles mentioned Diana he'd be ripped to shreds, no matter what he said.
The press and public would destroy Charles if he mentioned Diana during the birth or christening of George, they would see all sorts of things into why he mentioned Diana. IMO It's best for Charles to not mention Diana at all. 

The only people who can possibly talk about Diana and not be raked over the coals for it are Pr.William, Pr.Harry and various Spencer's.
Anytime others mention Diana they get skewered, from Sarah to Sophie during the engagement interview, no matter what they say, it gets twisted, bent out of shape and in the end the person gets pulverized. IMO Best to leave discussion of Diana to William and Harry.


Title: Re: Charles & Camilla Relationship
Post by: Kuei Fei on November 19, 2013, 10:24:39 pm
I find it interesting that since the marriage Charles hasn't been where you might expect someone of his stature and experience to be. By now he should have worked his way into being a frequent speaker at the UN, at various other places where, given his charity work, he would be a fixture. Since his marriage to Camilla things have taken a decidedly difficult and slowed down turn for him.


Title: Re: Charles & Camilla Relationship
Post by: CathyJane on November 20, 2013, 03:07:01 am
Cammie is wearing him down. You know she wants this, that and the other thing and nags and nags until she gets it. For somebody who was touted as not wanting to be queen or royal wife she certainly loves it.


Title: Re: Charles & Camilla Relationship
Post by: cate1949 on November 20, 2013, 03:17:36 am
Charles speaking at the UN?  Why would that happen?  He has no power - he is not yet the monarch and  the only power of the monarchy is the power of example.  It is like Stalin said of the Pope - how many brigades does he command?  Yes  regarding humanitarian work -  teamed with Diana they might have made a bigger difference together and had a higher profile.  But  to genuinely be seen as a humanitarian nowadays you have to take positions that he cannot take because of his POW future King role.  Diana's land mine work is an example - as Princess of Wales - she could never have spoken out against land mines.  

If Charles has any stature it is behind the scenes and based on his participation in a network of influential people.  This we do not see.  

The thing that is worrisome about Charles is how he uses his influence in the UK to poke around - this whole thing he has going on with the UK intelligence service and how he gets his people to do internships in UK government departments - one wonders what he is up to.



Title: Re: Charles & Camilla Relationship
Post by: PattyC on April 26, 2014, 07:25:48 am
I Don't think that Prince Charles can see that Camilla has no love for him. She never would have been divorced if it wasn't for her desire to be her long life desire to be Queen. She will be both King and Queen! Once it happens she will retire and drink her Vodka and order people around. I can't believe that Charles had made the decision to pass the throne to his son Prince William and the Duchess Catherine only to have Camilla to threaten him with a divorce him if he didn't take back his decision or she would put him through a divorce he would be sorry for because she wanted $450K and she was going to let out Royal Secrets like the one she already let out about Prince Charles having homosexual relations with his staff. He's a fool to let her have her way! He is treating his son the same way he treated Diana. He also was less than loving to Her Majesty-The Queen until the last couple years since he has to prove he is loving and worthy of being King. He has lived his life in SIN and continues to to it. Why should he be crowned King just to satisfy Camilla. If he can see she doesn't love him, the one would think that someone of authority would stop this joke of him being a King with Camilla, an alcoholic. Isn't that the responsibility of the Parliament. Why are they allowing the inevitable of what is going to happen when Camilla is Charles Queen.


Title: Re: Charles & Camilla Relationship
Post by: Kuei Fei on April 26, 2014, 05:42:02 pm
Charles never realized that a woman willing to mess around on her husband is not someone you trust; as far as I'm concerned, he should have faced the fact that he is royalty and there are people out there who don't see him as he sees himself. If he faced it he would have never dropped his first wife, just because his first wife didn't go along with his act of being a man of the people or the other variety of other roles he's imagined he is. Camilla played him like a violin, yet, he brought it on himself.


Title: Re: Charles & Camilla Relationship
Post by: gingerboy24 on April 26, 2014, 10:06:06 pm
Maybe chaz actually wants to be king, he has waited long enough for the top position, he might want to enjoy it for a few years before it passes down to whoever it might be by then.


Title: Re: Charles & Camilla Relationship
Post by: sandy on April 27, 2014, 01:20:13 am
Charles has a lot on his plate. He does not just sit around waiting. I can't say the same for William who probably will just sit back and wait then vacation rinse and repeat.


Title: Re: Charles & Camilla Relationship
Post by: Nighthawk on July 07, 2014, 11:32:44 am
Queen Orders Prince Charles to Divorce Camilla Parker-Bowles, The End of More Than 3 Decades of Love Affair
http://au.ibtimes.com/articles/558152/20140707/prince-charles-camilla-parker-bowles-divorce-duchess.htm#.U7p2ILGH18M
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Recently celebrated their ninth wedding anniversary, royal couple Prince Charles and Camilla, the Duchess of Cornwall is allegedly going to have a divorce by the Queen's order. Reportedly known for swinging random threats at the royal family, Prince Charles was told by Queen Elizabeth to go ahead with the divorce and to stop pacifying his alcoholic wife, according to the July 14th print edition of Globe Magazine.

The Duchess of Cornwall is reportedly furious that the Queen prefers to give the throne to Prince William and Kate Middleton, the Duchess of Cambridge, if she decides to abdicate her post next year. So her plan is if she is not going to be queen then she could lock down a $350 million divorce settlement by threatening the palace to divulge family secrets.

But the queen has no intention paying the Duchess a dime and declared Charles' wife a disgrace and want her gone. "She also summoned Camilla to the palace and had a nifty chat with her, telling the duchess that she's a complete disgrace and that the family needs to be rid of her," Celebdirty Laundry reports.

Romantically involved for more than three decades before they decided to make it official, Charles and Camilla tied the knot on April 9, 2005 and reports indicate that Charles public perception improved since he married Camilla. "The public perception of the Prince of Wales and the Duchess of Cornwall has certainly improved with the passage of time," according to Robert Jobson, author of "The New Royal Family: Prince George, William and Kate, The Next Generation" on his interview with Today.

If only it was true that Camz was being tossed out :sigh:


Title: Re: Charles & Camilla Relationship
Post by: meememe on July 07, 2014, 12:25:07 pm
And if you believe this I have a lovely bridge to sell you.

The Queen has NO say in her successor will be but the Globe and its ilk just refuse to get that through their thick heads.



Title: Re: Charles & Camilla Relationship
Post by: Rosella on July 07, 2014, 01:11:17 pm
^^I liked the bit about the $350 million divorce settlement Camilla was demanding! You can always rely on Globe magazine for a good laugh!


Title: Re: Charles & Camilla Relationship
Post by: Kuei Fei on July 08, 2014, 06:06:28 am
You never know; it could be that HM is so disgusted that she can't stand looking at Camilla. If there were no Camilla, there would be no Kate. No one thought Charles and Diana ever argued, much less dared to divorce. We were proven wrong and now look, Diana is dead and Kate is a potential future Queen Consort.


Title: Re: Charles & Camilla Relationship
Post by: meememe on July 08, 2014, 06:37:59 am
The Queen and Camilla are often seen, at both official and unofficial engagements, laughing and smiling at each other - hardly the body language of two people who can't stand each other.


Title: Re: Charles & Camilla Relationship
Post by: Mandosiel on July 08, 2014, 08:26:34 am
I have to agree on that. I think they've gotten to like each other to some extent over the years. Despite everything she does have a way with Charles that keeps him steady and for the most part happy.


Title: Re: Charles & Camilla Relationship
Post by: sandy on July 08, 2014, 02:27:20 pm
The Queen and Camilla are often seen, at both official and unofficial engagements, laughing and smiling at each other - hardly the body language of two people who can't stand each other.

The royal family is about keeping up appearances. The Queen and Camilla would not be rude to each other in public. Even Diana and the Queen Mother who did not like each other (in the War of the Wales years) looked friendly with each other. And Charles and Diana put up appearances that they were happy n the eighties.

I don't think the Queen cares much for how Camilla got where she is today. And nobody but the Queen knows how she feels.


Title: Re: Charles & Camilla Relationship
Post by: sandy on July 08, 2014, 02:32:05 pm
I have to agree on that. I think they've gotten to like each other to some extent over the years. Despite everything she does have a way with Charles that keeps him steady and for the most part happy.

But at what a price. She undermined the first wife and got where she is today by sleeping her way to the top and manipulating. Charles is pathetic.

She sure knows how to play the Sugar Daddy. She would have lost her meal ticket had the Diana and Charles marriage worked. She was busy every step of the way undermining Diana.

She also usurped the wife's place as hostess and slammed Diana  to Charles apparently with Charles condoning it. I think their relationship is a huge embarrassment.  Edward VII would not have permitted Lily Langry or another mistress to disrespect his consort.  If Charles were so "happy" with her he would have told her to wait for him when he went to sea.

Charles was always "steady" but he should have gotten counseling and not gone for marriage counseling to the greedy mistress.

I think the Queen is cordial to Camilla. I don't think she's that enthusiastic about her though.

But I doubt she had much of a choice in the matter. She avoided the Camilla issue for years until things got out of control.  There were complaints by Charles' regiment about his sleeping with a fellow officer's wife and this fell on deaf ears when the Queen was informed of it. There were photos such as at the William-Kate wedding where she did not look so happy with Camilla.


Title: Re: Charles & Camilla Relationship
Post by: Mandosiel on July 08, 2014, 05:18:36 pm
That's neither here nor there, I'm talking about the now. The past is gone and yes they made mistakes, but all anyone has is today and now. Charles is happy now, the Queen has come to like her now. Things happen the way they do for a reason, trials of life and all that. Bringing up a persons failed marriage and past mistakes in that situation every single time as a reason why they should be miserable in their current marriage is ridiculous. If Harry can let go of paparazzi involvement in his mothers death and forgive Camilla for her part in his parents failed marriage I don't see why other people can't either. Jesus Christ, let Charles be happy with Camilla, lord knows there's a world of misery being suffered by that family since Kate came into it. Whatever their sins they're more than making up for it with that vile little troll in The Firm.


Title: Re: Charles & Camilla Relationship
Post by: sandy on July 08, 2014, 09:13:54 pm
It is indeed here and there. The point is the royals keep up appearances. Since none of us know how or what they think it is speculation about how they get along. The examples are indeed relevant since happy and smiling does not necessarily mean there is a love fest between some people in the RF.

And how is it known how happy Charles is and also why is it so imperative to keep the man happy? What about his  making others happy? I don't get the need to feel this self centered man must be made happy at all costs.

Charles no matter how he feels can't divorce her. He would lose a lot of credibility.

Camilla's butting in did not give Diana any happiness. Of course Camilla is ecstatic. She got an HRH, perks and luxuries Diana had. She is the cat that got the cream. And the pesky first wife is out of the way. I doubt either lose sleep over Diana. I don't feel any pity for these two and don't share your opinions about them.

Camilla had she been decent would have sent Charles back to his wife.

Kate is not perfect but was not the other woman and her happiness was predicated on someone else's misery. And letting Camilla in did lower the bar so of course Kate would be let in after Camilla.

I do think Charles should have had to choose between Camilla and the throne. I think the throne would have won. The man apparently was not that happy with Camilla to consider her as a suitable mother to his children. He had a chance to marry her but he did not even tell her to wait for him. If it was this be all end all love he would have snapped her up as a wife. He did not even tell her he'd go steady with her. She apparently was greedy enough to want to be his mistress since she'd get lots of perks and bling. I doubt if he had not been who he is she would not have given him the right time.

But again if you don't like Kate, blame Charles for lowering the bar.

How WIlliam and Harry feel about her is known only to them. And we are all entitled here on the Board about opinions about Camilla.



Title: Re: Charles & Camilla Relationship
Post by: CathyJane on July 10, 2014, 01:04:01 am
Well said, Sandy!!  :thumbsup: :thumbsup:


Title: Re: Charles & Camilla Relationship
Post by: Kuei Fei on July 10, 2014, 03:51:36 am
I think Charles is likely happy, but Camilla is steaming that she is only a royal duchess. Thing is, if you break up a marriage or social climb (or climb at all) you can only go as far as the man wants to go, which means that the woman is stuck no matter what she really wants out of life. thing is, that Camilla is only a royal duchess, not Princess of Wales (no matter what, Camilla is in a morganatic marriage) and if HM LOVED or even liked Camilla, a stroke of the Queen's pen would make Camilla a princess.

I think HM consented on condition the title remain morganatic, not equal; it would explain why HM relented after all these years and explain why Camilla was allowed in. I don't think Charles gives a hoot about PR, or public rage, he would have made Camilla Princess of Wales, but this time around, chances are HM was behind this. It's the only explanation I can really think of and I am certain that Charles was okay, but Camilla is seething mad.

As for Queen Consort, Parliament will likely prevent Charles from becoming interfering in that area. I mean, realistically, he's someone who will be glad to be king and he knows that Parliament is capable of depriving him of his position. It will actually be funny seeing Camilla not be crowned alongside him.


Title: Re: Charles & Camilla Relationship
Post by: Ariel on July 10, 2014, 05:45:01 am
if things boil down to what she can get in association with Charles, things are not looking good. if she loves him - it won't really matter that she will not be crowned as a queen. same for Kate - their marriages are unequal, it's only fair that they are not granted the same titles as the husbands. Betty did a very good call in this regard - it's ok to modernize the monarchy and marry the mattress, but it's not ok to call her a princes.
sorry for being so judgmental towards Camilla and Kate but i really think that they got what they deserve. they wanted the prince, they wanted a marriage with the prince, and they got it. unless they are blood princesses and we know nothings about it, it's not fair to make them equal to princesses which are born and raised this way. 


Title: Re: Charles & Camilla Relationship
Post by: Kuei Fei on July 10, 2014, 06:16:07 am
Being judgmental is what has saved my neck on more than one occasion.

I wonder how different Mette-Marit might be if she had not been Crown Princess, but had in fact been required to accept a lesser rank.

This sounds elitist, but I think if you marry into the RF and don't bring a title and have to be trained for the role (along with a PR cleanup) you should accept a morganatic position and accept that you will never be Queen Consort and will have to accept lesser rank than your husband.

I think HM was right to make Kate a royal duchess, of the same rank as Camilla; both in their own ways cost so much in regards to PR and maintenance that it's not right that the palace pay through the nose to promote them and protect them while they get to enjoy full equality.

Diana didn't require much in terms of PR and was worth every nickle spent on her wardrobe and beauty treatments, mainly since she came with zero baggage.


Title: Re: Charles & Camilla Relationship
Post by: Rosella on July 10, 2014, 07:02:00 am
But KF, the Queen didn't make Kate a Duchess, she made William a Duke, and Kate was then entitled (on marriage) to his rank, style and title as his wife.

 She already is a Princess of the United Kingdom, as William so notoriously wrote on big G's birth certificate!

When HM drops of the twig, Kate will be Princess of Wales because William will be Prince of Wales.

The Queen doesn't make any women who marry into the royal family anything. They take their husband's styles and titles (if they have any) or name if they haven't. Camilla just uses a minor title of Charles's because, at the time of their marriage, C?H. was terrified of a backlash from angry Di fans.


Title: Re: Charles & Camilla Relationship
Post by: meememe on July 10, 2014, 09:39:10 am
A small correction.

William won't become Prince of Wales when The Queen dies. He will become Duke of Cornwall and Duke of Rothesay etc but not Prince of Wales or Earl of Chester.

Those latter two titles have to be created for him at the time and choosing of Charles as the new King.

Going back into the 20th Century:

George V was Duke of Cornwall and York (and Duke of Rothesay in Scotland) from January until November 1901. Edward VII waited until his birthday on the 9th November before creating his son Prince of Wales and Earl of Chester.

Edward VIII was Duke of Cornwall etc from the death of his grandfather for about a month as George V decided he didn't want his son to wait as he had had to wait.

Charles himself became Duke of Cornwall etc the instant The Queen ascended the throne in 1952 but had to wait until 1958 before being created Prince of Wales and Earl of Chester.

How long Charles will take before creating William as Prince of Wales we will have to wait and see - he could do on the day of his accession or wait. I am confident that William won't have to wait all that long and then William and Kate will be TRH The Prince and Princess of Wales.

One note about morganatic marriages - a major reason for royals to marry to have heirs but in a morganatic marriage the children also can't inherit in which case a major reason for the marriage in the first place goes out the window.

In the UK of course ladies have become Queen Consorts without their own titles e.g. Elizabeth Woodville, Anne Boleyn, Catherine Howard, Katherine Parr and had she lived so would Anne Hyde. Elizabeth and the two Anne's have all had children who went on to become the monarchs and fine monarchs at that.


Title: Re: Charles & Camilla Relationship
Post by: Rosella on July 10, 2014, 10:05:09 am
Thanks, meememe! William probably won't have to wait long and I doubt if he will have to undergo a ceremony such as Charles experienced at Caernarfon. Poor old Elizabeth Woodville's son, Edward V, would I'm sure have been a fine monarch if he hadn't been bumped off by his Uncle Dickie!


Title: Re: Charles & Camilla Relationship
Post by: Freya on July 10, 2014, 11:49:32 am
It will be interesting to see what happens after the Scottish vote. If the Scots vote for independence  Wales may want to follow. Many Welsh consider Prince Llewellyn to be the last Prince of Wales. Diana could be the last Princess of Wales.


Title: Re: Charles & Camilla Relationship
Post by: Freya on July 10, 2014, 11:53:16 am
Thanks, meememe! William probably won't have to wait long and I doubt if he will have to undergo a ceremony such as Charles experienced at Caernarfon. Poor old Elizabeth Woodville's son, Edward V, would I'm sure have been a fine monarch if he hadn't been bumped off by his Uncle Dickie!

There is no evidence that Richard 111 killed the princes in the tower. Could have been Margaret Beaufort, her husband or any other who would benefit from their death. Richard the 111 was demonised by Shakespeare. It's Tudor spin.



Title: Re: Charles & Camilla Relationship
Post by: Rosella on July 10, 2014, 11:57:08 am
 :bouncy: I KNEW I was going to get a response to that! Thanks Freya! Tease,


Title: Re: Charles & Camilla Relationship
Post by: Rosella on July 10, 2014, 12:37:28 pm
A YouGov Welsh poll in February 2014 gave the bizarre result of 12 percent for independence, 74 percent against and 14 percent indifferent! I think Kate's safe on those figures, though you never know!


Title: Re: Charles & Camilla Relationship
Post by: Freya on July 10, 2014, 01:07:11 pm
^
But I guess that if Scotland does gain Independence that the Royal's Scottish titles could cease to be.

I am very transparent when it comes down to Richard 111. 


Title: Re: Charles & Camilla Relationship
Post by: Rosella on July 10, 2014, 01:10:31 pm
The Yes vote seems to be fading in Scotland over the past weeks but we shall see. Perhaps we should have a Richard III thread, though I have a feeling I would be outnumbered!


Title: Re: Charles & Camilla Relationship
Post by: YooperModerator on July 10, 2014, 02:28:44 pm
^We have one and have had a thread for Richard III so please discuss that there.   Link:  http://royalgossip.forumprofi.de/index.php/topic,5142.0.html (http://royalgossip.forumprofi.de/index.php/topic,5142.0.html)


Title: Re: Charles & Camilla Relationship
Post by: cate1949 on July 10, 2014, 08:56:44 pm
the Duke of Buckingham did it!  IMHO

Someone (Rosella?) brought this up on another thread which I think is worth considering - if you make the spouse of the monarch a princess consort instead of Queen consort - she is lower ranking than the other continental Queen consorts.  Not something I'd think the Parliament is going to want to do. 

I see no reason why a woman without her own title should be treated differently than any other woman.  You get your husband's title.  That is it.

Plaid says Wales will be independent by 2030 - right - you never know! 


Title: Re: Charles & Camilla Relationship
Post by: Kuei Fei on July 29, 2014, 01:56:27 am
Thing is, that the fact remains that Camilla messed with a married man, undermined the mental health of the Princess of Wales; one thing I've learned through history is that royal marriages happen for practical reasons and bluntly put, Camilla has jeopardized Charles as well and Britain's prestige. I wouldn't want her to become a Queen, mainly since it will put the other non-mistress Queens on par with a former mistress famous for breaking up a prominent marriage. These women, no matter how tolerant, are testy about their husbands and it would be suggesting that these Queens are just like Camilla.


Title: Re: Charles & Camilla Relationship
Post by: Alexandrine on February 01, 2015, 11:27:46 pm
Separate lives and a rather saucy secret: An intimate portrait of their marriage reveals how Camilla has kept Charles happy

Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2935651/Separate-lives-saucy-secret-intimate-portrait-marriage-reveals-Camilla-kept-Charles-happy.html#ixzz3QXUCdiN8



Title: Re: Charles & Camilla Relationship
Post by: sandy on February 02, 2015, 12:22:53 am
Pass the anti nausea pills Please.


Title: Re: Charles & Camilla Relationship
Post by: Rebecca on February 02, 2015, 01:41:06 am
^^Odd relationship, IMO.


Title: Re: Charles & Camilla Relationship
Post by: sandy on February 02, 2015, 02:14:45 am
The marriage was inevitable since he outed her in 1994. I notice she is playing to the cameras at the same time she is giving the "loving" look to Charles. She did not keep Raymill for nothing.


Title: Re: Charles & Camilla Relationship
Post by: CathyJane on February 02, 2015, 02:40:49 am
 :-X


Title: Re: Charles & Camilla Relationship
Post by: Countess of Holland on February 02, 2015, 07:49:51 am
I guess William thinks that spending time apart is normal in a marriage which is why he dishes Kate as often as possible.

Both Charles and William are completely dysfunctional, and that doesn't promise much good for Harry.


Title: Re: Charles & Camilla Relationship
Post by: Val on February 02, 2015, 08:50:32 am
^^^^^^

Could even be another ma sabotage job to cover for the fact that willy and waity's marriage even odder with willy always MIA, (goodness knows where) and Waity mostly living at Dingley Dell when not shopping in London.


Title: Re: Charles & Camilla Relationship
Post by: Stephanie on February 02, 2015, 09:40:52 am
What a sick and sorry excuse for a marriage.
I'm not surprised Wimpo turned out the way that he did with an IMO needy borderliner as a father.


Title: Re: Charles & Camilla Relationship
Post by: AnaBolena on February 02, 2015, 04:23:14 pm
^ That's what was claimed of the Mother.  With all the spending and weird Behavior it sounded more like Bipolar to me.


Title: Re: Charles & Camilla Relationship
Post by: sandy on February 02, 2015, 07:28:51 pm
The only one who claimed this was Penny Junor. And she is hardly impartial much less fit to diagnose Diana. just more propaganda. Diana worked hard and deserved the outfits which by the way she later sold for charity.  I think Kate is the shopaholic in the family.


Title: Re: Charles & Camilla Relationship
Post by: Miss Hathaway on February 02, 2015, 07:44:05 pm
^Camilla spends her fair share . . . don't let the cover story fool you.   She drips with jewels and the costs of keeping Raymill are no small sum.  It would be interesting to see how much Camilla really does spend.    :cookie:


Title: Re: Charles & Camilla Relationship
Post by: Countess of Holland on February 02, 2015, 07:50:44 pm
And don't forget all the beauty treatments and the bee-venom.

I dare to think that Camilla has cost Charles well several millions over the years because I am sure he showered his mistress in plenty of things during their illicit affair. And unlike Kate, Camilla always dresses in bespoke clothes which aren't exactly highstreet.
The effect for both women is the same by the way...they look like cheap tramps in my point of view.


Title: Re: Charles & Camilla Relationship
Post by: sandy on February 02, 2015, 07:53:38 pm
I think Charles for instance spent megabucks on a gem worn by Alice Keppel to give to Camilla when she was till mistress. The servants recalled wrapping lavish gifts for Camilla while Diana got cheap presents. Charles also is generous to her family. I am shaking my head over Diana getting slammed for being a spendthrift. She actually sold much of her wardrobe with the proceeds going to charity. I would not hold my breath waiting for Kate and Camilla to do this.


Title: Re: Charles & Camilla Relationship
Post by: Alexandrine on February 02, 2015, 08:23:30 pm
Couldn't have Charles married someone with whom he at least enjoyed passing time with?

So as Goldsmith said "when you marry your mistress you create a vacancy", who will be Charles spending time with now...?



Title: Re: Charles & Camilla Relationship
Post by: CathyJane on February 02, 2015, 09:39:10 pm
Tiggy? Pips?  :tehe: :tehe:


Title: Re: Charles & Camilla Relationship
Post by: Kuei Fei on February 02, 2015, 10:16:36 pm
Carole.

Charles might be snotty about Carole, but I'm sure Carole could make Camilla look prudish.


Title: Re: Charles & Camilla Relationship
Post by: Stephanie on February 02, 2015, 10:28:50 pm
Good thinking, Alexandrine!


Title: Re: Charles & Camilla Relationship
Post by: Alexandrine on February 02, 2015, 10:39:19 pm
Someday we will learn about her because I'm sure she exists. The press releases tidbits from time to time like when we learned about Charles relationship with Christopher O'Neill's mother.


Title: Re: Charles & Camilla Relationship
Post by: Little light on February 02, 2015, 10:59:34 pm
can I ask when this relationship occurred please? this is the first time I've ever heard of this story.


And who is this Christopher O'Neill.

 :thankyou:


Title: Re: Charles & Camilla Relationship
Post by: Alexandrine on February 02, 2015, 11:16:04 pm
^ He is the husband of Princess Madeleine of Sweden, you can find more about them in the swedish board or ask whatever you want there.

About Charles and his mother

Quote
'He would simply ring out of the blue and say he would be passing by and would I mind if he popped in,' she said. 'I'd make sure a whisky was ready for him, then we'd chat before making ourselves more comfortable. He always left happy and I felt I'd been able to take away some of the strain and pressures of his life.' Last summer the Prince was said to have become close again to an old flame, Eva O'Neill, a stunning blonde German divorcee. They were intimate during the late Eighties while he was married to Diana.

Three-times-married Eva is reputed to have a voracious sexual appetite and her bedtime charms are legendary. Her reappearance in Charles's life upset Camilla especially when she invited him to a music festival in Salzburg. Eva greeted Charles with a familiar hug while Camilla looked the over way.

Although she laughs off any suggestion she is any more than an associate, the Prince is thought to be 'captivated' by her.

Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/columnists/article-259811/Willing-women-scratched-Royal-itch.html#ixzz3QdHWgsSS


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One anecdote claimed that the couple were nearly caught in flagrante by Diana herself when she walked in to the changing room at the Guard's Polo Club in Windsor, where Charles and Eva were being intimate.

The story goes that Eva had to be 'bundled through a window' to stop the Princess discovering her husband's infidelity.

The Mail on Sunday even reported that Palace insiders had tried to encourage Charles to rekindle his relationship with Eva, in an attempt to stop Camilla joining the Royal Family.

St James's Palace denied that the Prince had had a romantic relationship with Eva, while she told the Mail that she invited him to Salzburg 'because I know he is a classical music lover'.

Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/femail/article-2223019/Princess-Madeliene-Sweden-announces-engagement-British-American-banker-New-York-proposal.html#ixzz3QdHsYnJO



Title: Re: Charles & Camilla Relationship
Post by: Rosella on February 02, 2015, 11:49:31 pm
Eva was apparently quite good looking when she was younger and Charles's type, (bottle) blonde, slim and vivacious. Charles was a late bloomer but in reality he's had ten times as many women as his two sons put together. He probably doesn't like these reminders any more as he's so devoted to Cam :tehe:


Title: Re: Charles & Camilla Relationship
Post by: sandy on February 03, 2015, 01:09:40 am
I always thought his real non-negotiable is Michael Fawcett.


Title: Re: Charles & Camilla Relationship
Post by: Miss Hathaway on February 03, 2015, 05:24:51 am
And don't forget all the beauty treatments and the bee-venom.

I dare to think that Camilla has cost Charles well several millions over the years because I am sure he showered his mistress in plenty of things during their illicit affair. And unlike Kate, Camilla always dresses in bespoke clothes which aren't exactly highstreet.
The effect for both women is the same by the way...they look like cheap tramps in my point of view.

Indeed.  He also boarded her hunters.  He sent her to New York City in 1999 with Bolland as a test and to get some fashion advice.  Camilla is quite expensive, just in different ways.


Title: Re: Charles & Camilla Relationship
Post by: Freya on February 03, 2015, 04:19:52 pm
I did see how much was spent on Camilla per year in the early days of the marriage. She spends a lot on hairdressing and often taxis her hairdresser from London to Highgrove. Then there are the beauty treatments. Hats came to a tidy sum and then her clothes which are bespoke. That is without the jewellery, shoes, security etc.


There are also these retreats that she goes to before a Royal tour.
 

She is a very high maintenance women. Probably the most high maintenance of all the British royal women.



Title: Re: Charles & Camilla Relationship
Post by: Alexandrine on February 03, 2015, 05:17:47 pm
Being high maintenance as a royal I would say goes with the job. They are in from of all the cameras and photoogs being the image of a country so the clothes and treatments are needed. However, they also must have an agenda full of events, charities and whatever it is they do.

I don't see Camilla nor Kate doing that. They get all the perks but they avoid the responsibilities. Sure Camilla is an older woman but you compare her to the Queen and it's a total disappointment.


Title: Re: Charles & Camilla Relationship
Post by: Joanna on February 03, 2015, 06:53:03 pm
^ You have a very good point. IMO, nor Camilla nor Kate have a sense of duty and it's crystal clear that they don't understand their responsibilities which is precisely what makes them pale in comparison with the Queen. It's not even the fact that they weren't educated to fulfil their roles or that they are commoners that are to blame for it, you can compensate those disadvantages (not that I find them disadvantages, I just use that word as a figure of speech, please bear with me, english isn't my native language :sorry:) by learning some things and by putting an effort to broaden your horizons but what irks me is that I don't even see them trying to do so. It's precisely what Alexandrine said, they get all the perks avoiding the responsibilities. :sly:


Title: Re: Charles & Camilla Relationship
Post by: Fly on the wall on February 03, 2015, 11:06:38 pm
 phil dampier @phildampier  ·
Interesting spoiler in Mail by excellent duo Richard Kay and Geoffrey Levy says Camilla would go "bonkers" if Charles was ever unfaithful


Title: Re: Charles & Camilla Relationship
Post by: Rosella on February 04, 2015, 12:16:31 am
Does the comment about Camilla going 'bonkers' if Charles was ever unfaithful, refer to now when he's in his mid-60's or in past years? Presumably  Camilla went 'bonkers' when she found out about Janet Jenkins, the Welsh-Canadian who had an intermittent affair with Charles from 1975 to 1997.


Title: Re: Charles & Camilla Relationship
Post by: sandy on February 04, 2015, 02:28:58 am
Camilla had to share Charles: with an assortment of prospects for his first marriage, his secretary Elizabeth Buckanan, Tiggy Legge Bourke, Diana, Lady Kanga Tryon, Janet Jenkins and so on. Maybe it was a sort of turn on for her.


Title: Re: Charles & Camilla Relationship
Post by: gingerboy24 on February 04, 2015, 04:47:09 pm
^Yup, maybe it was a turn on for her, or maybe she could care less about his womanising (if he can still manage it). She has the "husband", the titles, the life, what should she care.  If he divorced her she would be well set up financially, might even suit her.


Title: Re: Charles & Camilla Relationship
Post by: Rebecca on February 04, 2015, 05:30:39 pm
^I think Camilla wants to be Queen Consort. I think she will tolerate living separately or whatever else to get it.


Title: Re: Charles & Camilla Relationship
Post by: CathyJane on February 05, 2015, 01:34:15 am
I agree very much. She wanted to be queen since the day she met upchuck, I don't care what anybody says. She wouldn't have put up with so much if she hadn't wanted the big crown.


Title: Re: Charles & Camilla Relationship
Post by: Jane23 on May 02, 2015, 02:43:54 pm
It seems Usher really feels my man Chuck  :tehe: ...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bRT_92aYgEc&spfreload=10

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bRT_92aYgEc&spfreload=10


Title: Re: Charles & Camilla Relationship
Post by: Alexandrine on May 02, 2015, 02:53:48 pm
phil dampier @phildampier  ·
Interesting spoiler in Mail by excellent duo Richard Kay and Geoffrey Levy says Camilla would go "bonkers" if Charles was ever unfaithful

she's already bonkers then?

btw what difference is marrying Camz to Diana in this case?  ???

Charles should change his journos because this is ridiculous.


Title: Re: Charles & Camilla Relationship
Post by: Jane23 on May 02, 2015, 05:03:36 pm
He began seeing Cam again in 1986 when it was already over with Di and Di herself said that ... that is not the case with Cam ...


Title: Re: Charles & Camilla Relationship
Post by: Alexandrine on May 02, 2015, 06:11:39 pm
nice because he had an affair with Eva O'Neill on that time


Title: Re: Charles & Camilla Relationship
Post by: Jane23 on May 02, 2015, 08:36:38 pm
^ Hmm ... I will have to google this person because not even Di said such thing and I don't know who she is ...


Title: Re: Charles & Camilla Relationship
Post by: Kuei Fei on June 03, 2015, 05:49:58 pm
I do think Camilla is the type of woman who personally felt perversely offended that Charles ended up getting married and began to have a family life of his own, living in the spotlight with a beautiful princess and then of course, had kids and enjoyed huge amounts of press while she disliked having an unfaithful husband (Andrew was never going to be faithful) and basically wanted to make someone suffer for what she viewed as her injustices in life. She had a dog of a husband, unglamorous life in the countryside (lets be frank if she had been entirely content she never would have messed with Charles), and was basically known as a royal discard among the royal set and saw a beautiful blonde, socially approved of virginal princess on the arm of a prince and enjoyed the plaudits of the world. Meanwhile, she's a mother of two and basically bored out of her mind and while she's approved as a mistress, never as a wife/consort.

It would grate on the mind of any woman, much less someone like Camilla. I do think Camilla was NEVER happy with a 'friends with benefits' relationship and I do believe NO WOMAN on the planet is ever agreeable to such an idea. No woman likes the idea of being a mistress and then dropped. No siree.

phil dampier @phildampier  ·
Interesting spoiler in Mail by excellent duo Richard Kay and Geoffrey Levy says Camilla would go "bonkers" if Charles was ever unfaithful

Does the comment about Camilla going 'bonkers' if Charles was ever unfaithful, refer to now when he's in his mid-60's or in past years? Presumably  Camilla went 'bonkers' when she found out about Janet Jenkins, the Welsh-Canadian who had an intermittent affair with Charles from 1975 to 1997.

Camilla had to share Charles: with an assortment of prospects for his first marriage, his secretary Elizabeth Buckanan, Tiggy Legge Bourke, Diana, Lady Kanga Tryon, Janet Jenkins and so on. Maybe it was a sort of turn on for her.

I think Camilla likes the 'winning' part, driving the various woman out of Charles' life; no rest for the wicked.


Title: Re: Charles & Camilla Relationship
Post by: CathyJane on June 04, 2015, 02:53:28 am
I can easily see Cammie as that kind of woman. She's evil, ruthless and has no mercy for anyone standing in her way, be it Diana, APB or her kids.


Title: Re: Charles & Camilla Relationship
Post by: AnaBolena on June 04, 2015, 02:59:29 am
From reading a great deal I discovered something interesting.  Camilla was madly in love at first with APB and it was he that cheated on her at first and apparently broke her heart. Then she got in on the act - in fact they very much mirrored Charles and Di's behavior.

IMO the word evil if applied to Camilla should equally apply to all who committed adultery.  ALL!


Title: Re: Charles & Camilla Relationship
Post by: sandy on June 04, 2015, 03:00:08 am
I read someplace that Camilla was ruthless when dating APB. If she found him with other women she'd unceremoniously see off the women and throw them out of his house.

Camilla IMO was no softie I see her as one tough character. She found out APB was sleeping with Princess Anne and one upped him by snagging the Prince (this was duly recorded in biographies of her). She knew that APB cheated when they dated unless she was totally clueless which IMO she decidedly wasn't--one biographer said they had a "sexual competition.". I doubt it was a surprise to either of them that they would continue the same pattern after they wed (with a respite for having their heirs). They stayed married though both if they were oh so miserable could have divorced earlier on and had that option.


Title: Re: Charles & Camilla Relationship
Post by: AnaBolena on June 04, 2015, 03:20:32 am
http://scandalouswoman.blogspot.com.au/2008/07/how-do-you-solve-problem-like-camilla.html

That makes for an interesting read.


Title: Re: Charles & Camilla Relationship
Post by: Kuei Fei on June 04, 2015, 05:52:40 am
From reading a great deal I discovered something interesting.  Camilla was madly in love at first with APB and it was he that cheated on her at first and apparently broke her heart.

I find that sick since she knew the heartbreak that adultery causes, but chose to go that route herself and hurt Princess Di in that way.


Title: Re: Charles & Camilla Relationship
Post by: Countess of Holland on June 04, 2015, 11:50:26 am
But people who commit adultery are never very empathic towards the feelings of others. And they never apply logic either.

Think f.e. about King Juan Carlos; he had no beef cheating on his wife but I am sure that had any of his two sons-in-law cheated on his precious daughters, the King wouldn't have had to travel to Africa to hunt down rhino's, he would have stayed in Spain hunting down Inaki or Jaime (prior to the divorce).


Title: Re: Charles & Camilla Relationship
Post by: AnaBolena on June 04, 2015, 02:37:47 pm
From reading a great deal I discovered something interesting.  Camilla was madly in love at first with APB and it was he that cheated on her at first and apparently broke her heart.

I find that sick since she knew the heartbreak that adultery causes, but chose to go that route herself and hurt Princess Di in that way.

Very true - but Di did the same to other women.  And who knows for sure who cheated first? C or D?  No one, not really.  That's why I maintain they were all messed up people.


Title: Re: Charles & Camilla Relationship
Post by: sandy on June 04, 2015, 03:39:56 pm
IMO Charles cheated first.  He was dishonest with Diana from the get go since he admitted to his biographer that he preferred Camilla when he married Diana. And his authorized biographer never used the word "love" in reference to the Charles and Diana match. I do believe he was back with Camilla before Diana started with Hewitt. Diana got involved with Hewitt according to various biographies after the York wedding in 1986. Even Ingrid Seward a Charles person did not say that Diana "cheated first" and this in her most recent editorial in Majesty Magazine on the subject. It also speaks volumes that Charles was disappointed that Harry was a boy because he wanted a girl (he told this to Diana's mother according to Frances' authorized biography) and apparently the thought of "trying again" was not on his mind. Diana was cut loose IMO after Harry was born since Charles had his heir and spare. It's not as if Charles was devoted to Diana IMO and Hewitt indicated to his biographer that he believed Charles "relieved" that Diana took up with someone else--it gave him more time for Camilla.


Title: Re: Charles & Camilla Relationship
Post by: Stephanie on June 04, 2015, 09:10:56 pm
If Diana started the cheating Chuck would have used that against her.


Title: Re: Charles & Camilla Relationship
Post by: leogirl on June 04, 2015, 11:58:00 pm
I remember hearing Charles say in an interview that he was faithful for "about a month." Now, this was many years ago and it was on late so maybe I was tired and blurred things together, and I can't find it on YouTube (I did have a VCR/recorder at the time but I didn't record it).

But Charles bringing that CC item on his honeymoon was not a good sign. If you're just married and supposed to be trying to make the marriage work, why would you bring something from your ex? That just doesn't make sense.

But people who commit adultery are never very empathic towards the feelings of others. And they never apply logic either.

Think f.e. about King Juan Carlos; he had no beef cheating on his wife but I am sure that had any of his two sons-in-law cheated on his precious daughters, the King wouldn't have had to travel to Africa to hunt down rhino's, he would have stayed in Spain hunting down Inaki or Jaime (prior to the divorce).


That's because adultery is only about one thing: ego. He thought he was so awesome that he could sleep with another woman, but it would have hurt his ego if his daughters were cheated on; he would have viewed that as a personal attack against him.


Title: Re: Charles & Camilla Relationship
Post by: CathyJane on June 05, 2015, 02:04:59 am
If Diana started the cheating Chuck would have used that against her.

True dat.


Title: Re: Charles & Camilla Relationship
Post by: simplyme on June 15, 2015, 09:28:38 am
From reading a great deal I discovered something interesting.  Camilla was madly in love at first with APB and it was he that cheated on her at first and apparently broke her heart.

I find that sick since she knew the heartbreak that adultery causes, but chose to go that route herself and hurt Princess Di in that way.

Very true - but Di did the same to other women.  And who knows for sure who cheated first? C or D?  No one, not really.  That's why I maintain they were all messed up people.
I can't be more agree. Charles version is D started to cheat and D version is the opposite. The truth is always in the middle,  D isn't the same Saint we believed , and Charles isn't the devil.

I hope one day the real truth come out


Title: Re: Charles & Camilla Relationship
Post by: sandy on June 15, 2015, 02:35:46 pm
Actually Charles version and Diana's do agree according to their authorized biographies. Up until 1994 and Charles confessions, there was enough leeway so the PBs did not divorce. Charles confessions tipped the scales. Charles also admitted  to Dimbleby the spirit in which he went into the marriage to Diana--not once in the Dimbleby book does he mention he loved Diana but he complained he was "forced" to marry her. He actually did court her like someone would do if he loved a woman enough to make her is wife.  Diana's complaint was about Camilla not going away beginning when she saw Charles sport the cufflinks.  I blame Charles more particularly after reading his confessions--he went into the marriage as I see it in a very cynical way and wanted his heirs and also would not sever ties with his mistress. Diana was right in that nasty stories were leaked to the press by Charles friends in the eighties. Plus the Sun Editor confirmed that Camilla rung him up every week with "her side" of the story. The Wales had no more children after Harry and that was that Charles more or less according to various accounts ditched Diana and left her bed when her duty to him was fulfilled. It was not as if she had any sort of true marriage to Charles after the children were born. Charles and Diana both said 1986 was the  time the marriage irretrievably broke down. But some insiders claimed Charles went back to Camilla in the intimate sense in 1983 though according to accounts he always was in touch with her one way or another even if they did not sleep together. Nobody said Diana was a saint or Charles was a devil--but I do hold Charles more accountable since he was 32 and knew the score when he married Diana (and he admitted the spirit in which he went into the marriage). I think now Charles holds all the cards since his late ex wife is dead and gone. So maybe a more balanced account will come out after he passes on. Actually simplyme Charles never accused Diana of cheating first (this was not in his authorized biography. His most devoted sympathizer Penny Junor spread that  gossip and it is subject to speculation if Charles authorized this himself--Charles tends to use people to do his own dirty work.


Title: Re: Charles & Camilla Relationship
Post by: sandy on June 15, 2015, 02:44:05 pm
Actually Charles version and Diana's do agree according to their authorized biographies. Up until 1994 and Charles confessions, there was enough leeway so the PBs did not divorce. Charles confessions tipped the scales. Charles also admitted  to Dimbleby the spirit in which he went into the marriage to Diana--not once in the Dimbleby book does he mention he loved Diana but he complained he was "forced" to marry her. He actually did court her like someone would do if he loved a woman enough to make her is wife.  Diana's complaint was about Camilla not going away beginning when she saw Charles sport the cufflinks.  I blame Charles more particularly after reading his confessions--he went into the marriage as I see it in a very cynical way and wanted his heirs and also would not sever ties with his mistress. Diana was right in that nasty stories were leaked to the press by Charles friends in the eighties. Plus the Sun Editor confirmed that Camilla rung him up every week with "her side" of the story. The Wales had no more children after Harry and that was that Charles more or less according to various accounts ditched Diana and left her bed when her duty to him was fulfilled. It was not as if she had any sort of true marriage to Charles after the children were born. Charles and Diana both said 1986 was the  time the marriage irretrievably broke down. But some insiders claimed Charles went back to Camilla in the intimate sense in 1983 though according to accounts he always was in touch with her one way or another even if they did not sleep together. Nobody said Diana was a saint or Charles was a devil--but I do hold Charles more accountable since he was 32 and knew the score when he married Diana (and he admitted the spirit in which he went into the marriage). I think now Charles holds all the cards since his late ex wife is dead and gone. So maybe a more balanced account will come out after he passes on. Actually simplyme Charles never accused Diana of cheating first (this was not in his authorized biography. His most devoted sympathizer Penny Junor spread that  gossip and it is subject to speculation if Charles authorized this himself--Charles tends to use people to do his own dirty work IMO--for instance his best friends and relatives slam Diana.


Sorry mods, when I edited I used my original post as quote. Please delete the post  before this one. Sorry about this.


Title: Re: Charles & Camilla Relationship
Post by: Tpearl on June 17, 2015, 02:52:42 am
Interesting.


Title: Re: Charles & Camilla Relationship
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Title: Re: Charles & Camilla Relationship
Post by: i used to be a monarchist on June 02, 2016, 06:52:39 am
You know, sometimes people marry the wrong person, for one of a thousand different reasons.  It happens all the time.  It's very sad Diana still loved her husband even though he'd moved on emotionally.  Unless you've been through it, you cannot comprehend that pain.  But, she wasn't the first or the last person to lose their partner's love.   

I was such a Diana fan, adored her.  She was beautiful and her work ethic and sense of humour made her even more attractive.  And so her legions of devotees were very vocal about the divorce, which was unfair to Charles.   People change, they fall out of love.  It happens - that's life.  An unhappy partner is not required to be chained to their spouse forever.

So I wish people would give Camilla a break.  As far as I can tell, she and Charles are happy, very well suited, and devoted to each other.  She's an excellent partner for him, she knows his world, she supports him and their history is a long one.

Life is so very short.  To find love again after a divorce is a wonderful thing (I know).  I wish them well.


Title: Re: Charles & Camilla Relationship
Post by: leogirl on June 02, 2016, 07:39:20 am
I think the problem is the modern mindset of using people as long as they make you happy. As soon as someone gets bored or doesn't feel emotions as intensely or meets someone else who might be interested, they move onto the next relationship. Instead of polygamy, we have serial monogamy. Marriage is supposed to be about putting the other person first, helping one's spouse become the best they can be. At the wedding, the woman wears white to symbolize virtue and the man wears black to symbolize death to self (although some men wear military uniforms; I guess that can also mean sacrifice). There are going to be days when you don't feel like loving your spouse, maybe you'd rather do something for yourself or spend time with someone else, but love is a choice to put the other person first. People should work through their problems. 80% of people who choose counseling over divorce reported being happier than ever five years down the road. There are some cases where people need to separate (abuse, addiction) but most divorces these days are from low-conflict marriages. And even in abuse and addiction cases, it's important that the abuser gets anger management and the addict gets help to figure out where the addiction is coming from and a support system so they don't fall back into old habits.

Charles seemed to only want Diana for heirs because their marriage started falling apart after the 'spare' was born. I don't know what Camilla's deal was. She married Andrew Parker Bowles and had his children and then they had an adultery competition. They stayed married for 22 years. If she loved Charles, she shouldn't have married someone else. Maybe he was good in bed? :ick: I don't know.


Title: Re: Charles & Camilla Relationship
Post by: Rosella on June 02, 2016, 08:40:36 am
 Camilla married Andrew Parker Bowles because she was in love with him. As simple as that. He and she had been going out together on and off for about six years when they wed. Apparently he was regarded as a great prize among the debutantes of Camilla's generation. Andrew was a cavalry officer from an old gentry family, not that much money and, rather unusually for those circles, a Roman Catholic, but was regarded as charming and good looking. He was a ladies man but Camilla liked a challenge and in the end she got him. She perhaps didn't count on Andrew being so adulterous as he turned out to be but considering his reputation it wasn't really surprising. She was in love with him and the couple are friends still.


Title: Re: Charles & Camilla Relationship
Post by: kolkomilko on June 02, 2016, 09:08:52 am
Charles wasn't "allowed" to marry Camilla or am I wrong?  :cookie:


Title: Re: Charles & Camilla Relationship
Post by: Kuei Fei on June 02, 2016, 09:20:47 am
Exactly. I'm unsure as to how accurate this is, but it's been a kind of heavily propagated viewpoint that the bride of Charles would have to be a virgin. I don't think it's true, since Anna Wallace and others had had previous boyfriends and Charles was permitted to propose.

Thing is, the BRF was in attendance at the wedding and Princess Anne toasted Camilla at her marriage. I do however think that since Camilla wasn't a high ranking aristocrat with huge dollops of blue blood, the RF took the lofty view that while she was one of their social set, she wouldn't be good enough to be one of their family members. So they took a patronizing approach and Charles took the same viewpoint and basically dangled her, until she got sick and tired of being messed with and basically decided to go after and marry Andrew PB and then Charles realized he had been a fool. Yet, it was too late since after all, the BRF took a paranoid view of a woman with a past marriage marrying their precious sons.


Title: Re: Charles & Camilla Relationship
Post by: sandy on June 02, 2016, 02:56:46 pm
I don't think Charles family had much of a choice but to accept Camilla. The only one who did not was the Queen Mum who would not permit a C and C wedding during her lifetime. Charles was very interested in Anna Wallace and publicly dated her as a candidate for wife. So the "must be a virgin" argument does not hold water IMO. Charles did not even dangle Camilla, he went to sea and did not say they had a future together, before he left. She was avid to marry APB in any case. Charles should have severed ties with Camilla once she married someone else. He had a sense of entitlement that he could have married mistresses because he was Prince of Wales.

Camilla married Andrew Parker Bowles because she was in love with him. As simple as that. He and she had been going out together on and off for about six years when they wed. Apparently he was regarded as a great prize among the debutantes of Camilla's generation. Andrew was a cavalry officer from an old gentry family, not that much money and, rather unusually for those circles, a Roman Catholic, but was regarded as charming and good looking. He was a ladies man but Camilla liked a challenge and in the end she got him. She perhaps didn't count on Andrew being so adulterous as he turned out to be but considering his reputation it wasn't really surprising. She was in love with him and the couple are friends still.

Camilla would have had to have been very naive if she thought Andrew would have not cheated nor would she have cheated after they got married. IMO Part of the "thrill" of their relationship was that they had this competition, taking on other partners. I think though Camilla had ambitions and wanted to advance herself by being mistress to a Prince. Andrew appears to have turned a blind eye, until Charles  let the cat out of the bag in 1994 and named Camilla as his mistress, although it had been an open secret up until then. Andrew was called "civilized" for sharing his wife and having the arrangement with the Prince of Wales. Charles also kept another married woman, Kanga Tryon and her husband turned a blind eye.


Title: Re: Charles & Camilla Relationship
Post by: dianab on June 04, 2016, 06:16:50 am
IF back then come out that Diana wasnt virgin, Charles would have dumped her. Her uncle even let it clear to press which she was one. Philip also noted to Charles that he needed asap pick a wife, if not there will be no one suitable (virgin) for him. The fact that Camilla was one experienced girl in 1970s was hold against her, yes!


Title: Re: Charles & Camilla Relationship
Post by: leogirl on June 04, 2016, 06:43:32 am
I'm not a fan of double standards. You can't expect to marry a virgin if you've been sleeping around because the women you're sleeping with are other men's future wives!


Title: Re: Charles & Camilla Relationship
Post by: dianab on June 04, 2016, 06:51:09 am
Monarchy (the Windsors particularly) are all about double standards.... if you ask me

I'm not saying that I agree but... those were the rules for them... a single man in position of Charles was expected (including accepted) sleeping with discreet married women... if he wanted to continue his behavior as a married man it was ok too... aristo woman like Diana (with 'commoner' values) was/is crazy woman as far as the Windsors are concerned ... women like Kanga and Camilla were/are easier to understand to the Windsors.... are you getting me now?

PS. The Spencers back then take as a offence the insinuation that Diana was the girl in royal train


Title: Re: Charles & Camilla Relationship
Post by: Kuei Fei on June 04, 2016, 08:18:27 am
Yeah, I'm totally getting you.

Thing is, Camilla chose to eat dirt from both Andrew and Charles; she had to work to get Andrew nailed down and she basically let herself be used by Charles as a plaything and be his dirty little secret. Zero self respect there.

As for Diana not being able to hold on to Charles and understand the sexual dynamics, it wasn't because she was too callow (as Tina Brown suggested), but because she was not raised to be a sexual person. She was first and foremost raised as a daughter of a high ranking aristocratic family and as such, she was taught her ancestry early on and then was encouraged to be modest and keep herself tidy and how important it was for her to remain chaste.

Camilla on the other hand, as we know now, wasn't pressured to remain chaste, was encouraged to go out and have fun with the boys, and basically was not as sheltered as Diana was. So basically she had vast experience with boys by the time she met Charles and had the ability to enthrall him. She was also more sophisticated and intellectual. So she had that as well. If Camilla had been encouraged to be more tidy, I think she might have inspired more respect.

Thing is, the boy chasing pattern was already established with her first husband and apparently that didn't slow her down. I think she got a thrill out of the challenge and ended up transferring the thrill of the chase to Charles. Which ended up rocking a monarchy and she also saw off Kanga as well. Camilla only overstepped the bounds when her affair with Charles ended up slipping into his public life and causing havoc with the effect it had on the monarchy.


Title: Re: Charles & Camilla Relationship
Post by: sandy on June 05, 2016, 12:46:46 am
I agree except that IMO Camilla was and is far from being "intellectual." She probably learned to flatter Charles and encouraged him to be "naughty" and they obviously did not talk about the theory of Relativity as was demonstrated by the Camillagate taped phone call. She may have been "sophisticated" but  not in a good way. Theoretically, in Mountbatten's world, Charles was expected to marry his granddaughter and "teach" the inexperienced girl about how to please a man (which  Charles would learn from experienced women like Kanga and Camilla).  Camilla was no intellectual and expected to be a debutante and then marry well. I agree that Camilla did not care that she debased herself, she had ambitions for herself and manipulated her way to the top


Title: Re: Charles & Camilla Relationship
Post by: cate1949 on June 06, 2016, 10:32:55 am
It hardly seems worth getting excited about anymore - it is after all over and done with - Camilla got what she worked for all those years.
But while I can agree Charles is hard working and has done much good with his charities - the whole affair with Camilla - as well as his affairs with multiple other woman - are all so tawdry.  Having an affair whilst married - with a married woman - is not exactly what one looks for in a future head of the CoE.  And the idea of Camilla - given her past - becoming Queen is just - well - head shaking.

Foolish Charles - he does not understand that no matter how much he spends on pr - there are always going to be people who - on the day he is crowned will be thinking that it should have been Diana by his side - not Cam.

This loss of respect for Charles - which still persists - could cost the monarchy - rather amazing when you think of it - the selfishness of the two of them - might bring down a 1,000 + year old monarchy.  Just amazing.

All I can say is - long life and good health to the Queen!


Title: Re: Charles & Camilla Relationship
Post by: Countess of Holland on June 06, 2016, 08:49:31 pm
Charles wasn't "allowed" to marry Camilla or am I wrong?  :cookie:

I have heard that myself as well. The reason for it was apparently not that Camilla wasn't a virgin but that she was kind of a loose woman who had seen quite a lot of action from the moment she made her debut in society until she married Andrew PB in 1973.
Many years ago I was in the UK for a language course at Oxford over the summer and I stayed at a host-family and they moved in the same circles as the PB-family. And there was one time when the family ran into Camilla and Andrew (this was mid 1980's) and the mood got chilly. After Camilla and Andrew left, the parents of my host-family made some not-too-nice remarks about Camilla and her past.


Title: Re: Charles & Camilla Relationship
Post by: sandy on June 06, 2016, 08:53:14 pm
Charles did not even think of pursuing Camilla as a wife back then. He told his biographer he felt he was "too young" to get married. Apparently he could not even have been bothered to tell her they had a future.


Title: Re: Charles & Camilla Relationship
Post by: cate1949 on June 06, 2016, 09:35:17 pm
I think the whole "poor Charles loved Camilla but was not allowed to marry her" is a story made up to gain sympathy and acceptance for his affair and subsequent marriage to her.

It is obvious that at the time he had no desire to marry her and I rather doubt that their relationship in those early days ever got to the point where marriage was discussed and the Queen said no.  Camilla certainly wasn't Charles only affair - there was Kanga and Janet Jenkins too.  Camilla was simply the one who managed to hang on.  IMHO of course.

Not to be harsh but one has to separate the pr from the reality.  I just do not think even Camilla ever thought in those early days that she was going to be Charles wife.



Title: Re: Charles & Camilla Relationship
Post by: Kuei Fei on June 07, 2016, 12:47:12 am
If Charles had truly loved her, he would have fought for her tooth and nail and given the middle finger until he got what he wanted. He did it anyway in the end, the least he could have done was do this before he married a nineteen year old and then discarded her.


Title: Re: Charles & Camilla Relationship
Post by: kolkomilko on June 07, 2016, 07:40:16 am
^ I do agree. It was a good lesson for him but it didn't do Willy good letting him do what he wants and marry Waity.


Title: Re: Charles & Camilla Relationship
Post by: i used to be a monarchist on July 04, 2016, 02:41:34 pm
Maybe it's just the photos which are selected for print but Camilla looks sad to me these days, wistful.  I hope all is well.


Title: Re: Charles & Camilla Relationship
Post by: sandy on July 05, 2016, 02:31:17 am
Charles can't afford another divorce. I think Camilla is secure even if things go sour


Title: Re: Charles & Camilla Relationship
Post by: i used to be a monarchist on July 05, 2016, 03:33:28 am
I hope she's protected from them but can you imagine the constant pressure of the Manipulating Middletons (CM, KM, and PW) constantly attempting to undermine your husband and yourself?  I hope I'm giving them too much credit for their power over PC and Camilla.  But I feel there is such darkness and negative energy emanating from PW and the rest of his family (and his family IS the Middleton mob) towards his father and his father's court.  I doubt very much that people will stand for PW and a Middleton court.


Title: Re: Charles & Camilla Relationship
Post by: Kuei Fei on July 05, 2016, 04:50:58 am
We know how things went down and we've done it over to death. If I were Charles and Camilla, I would be FED UP with how WK keep rehashing it and repainting Camilla and Charles as the devil incarnate. WK aren't letting people grow and move on. Notice how the minute that ring was on Kate's finger, Camilla was painted as a conniving witch who was scheming against innocent lamb Kate, how Camilla has done nothing but scheme against her. I don't think Camilla gives a toss, except for the fact that Charles now has even more burdens on his shoulders, making more work for Charles for when he becomes King. Say what you will, Camilla has been stalwart and does want the monarchy to continue. I think that Kate has been the nasty and antagonistic factor in any kind of interactions between herself and Kate and frankly it's no wonder Charles doesn't spoil Kate.


Title: Re: Charles & Camilla Relationship
Post by: i used to be a monarchist on July 05, 2016, 05:23:40 am
I like Camilla. 


Title: Re: Charles & Camilla Relationship
Post by: india on July 05, 2016, 12:20:48 pm
With all her faults in the devolution of the Diana/Charles marriage, Camilla has been very good for Charles and the monarchy. She does her job representing the RF happily with enthusiasm. She is intelligent and gets on with all dignitaries. She and Charles seem to be very happy and relaxed with each other. They are great friends. She's a good person. On the other hand, the low life Middletons are a nightmare. How they have tried to manipulate the press against Camilla and Charles is a Huge mistake. It is amazing that they think they can win this game. They are small time players in a very big game in which they will lose.


Title: Re: Charles & Camilla Relationship
Post by: i used to be a monarchist on July 05, 2016, 12:41:11 pm
 :thumbsup:


Title: Re: Charles & Camilla Relationship
Post by: sandy on July 05, 2016, 03:27:19 pm
With all her faults in the devolution of the Diana/Charles marriage, Camilla has been very good for Charles and the monarchy. She does her job representing the RF happily with enthusiasm. She is intelligent and gets on with all dignitaries. She and Charles seem to be very happy and relaxed with each other. They are great friends. She's a good person. On the other hand, the low life Middletons are a nightmare. How they have tried to manipulate the press against Camilla and Charles is a Huge mistake. It is amazing that they think they can win this game. They are small time players in a very big game in which they will lose.

I don't like the Middletons and Camilla as well. Camilla is doing what she is supposed to be doing and received training for by a PR person. She spends time in a separate residence from Charles and how happy they are is subject to speculation. I don't see the woman as a good person considering how she got there. It is not as if Charles rekindled a relationship with  her after his marriage broke up but she meddled and manipulated and undermined the first wife. I doubt they will ever divorce because Charles can't afford one. A good person would have backed off once Charles got engaged and stayed out of contact with him. I think Camilla was always out for Number One. I don't like her. Their "great love" so called caused a lot of destruction and misery.  I see Camilla not as intelligent but shrewd and not in a good way. Camilla and Charles' bad press IMO comes from their own past actions not the Middletons. The thing is Camilla always had the upper hand and is no way a "victim." Camilla always knew what she was doing and she herself was and is a great manipulator of the press. She went to the Sun Editor to give "her side" while Charles was married to Diana.   The woman can grin and look caring but I see her as the same one who deliberately set out to undermine another woman and she ultimately hit the jackpot and ironically, she paved the way for someone like Kate to marry into the family. The bar has been lowered forevermore.


Title: Re: Charles & Camilla Relationship
Post by: Tatiana on September 25, 2016, 04:08:19 am
  Regarding their relationship, they have not lived together for some years now.  Charles is happiest with Michael Fawcett, who Charles stated he cannot do without in his life.


Title: Re: Charles & Camilla Relationship
Post by: leogirl on September 26, 2016, 07:58:01 am
^ I would not be surprised if that were true. Didn't Camilla move to Ray Mill so she could spend more time with her grandchildren?


Title: Re: Charles & Camilla Relationship
Post by: meememe on September 26, 2016, 11:45:49 am
Camilla had Raymill before she and Charles married. It isn't far from Highgrove and yes she does stay there sometimes to be with her children and grandchildren although most of the time she is wherever Charles is (from my contacts anyway).

I know many people would like to think that these two live totally separate lives but the word I have is that is far from the truth although they do have time apart - particularly so Camilla can be a grandmother to her youngsters. Charles also spends time at Raymill and enjoys time with Camilla's grandchildren. They see way more of those children than they do of George and Charlotte of course.


Title: Re: Charles & Camilla Relationship
Post by: Tatiana on September 26, 2016, 09:15:41 pm
  UK taxpayers pay £5 million a year for protection on her home.  :bat:

   Ray Mill House is in another County, nearly 20 miles away from Highgrove.

Sorry to double post, time ran out.

  One of her friends observed tartly: ‘Camilla seems to spend less time in Highgrove these days than she did when Charles was still married to Diana.’  



Title: Re: Charles & Camilla Relationship
Post by: YooperModerator on September 27, 2016, 12:18:07 am
^Merged double post.  Note to Mod site. YM


Title: Re: Charles & Camilla Relationship
Post by: Kuei Fei on October 19, 2016, 02:58:03 am
You know, one thing I find odd is how Camilla's kids didn't find grand matches in the aristocracy. With Camilla's ambitions, I wager that she would have preferred her daughter Laura marry a titled man, not a polo player. I wonder if she's planning a grand match for her idiot son. With Charles as Heir, it would be surprising that Camilla didn't cleverly orchestrate some kind of match with a prince from a dethroned house and figure out how to get Tom introduced to someone titled and connected.


Title: Re: Charles & Camilla Relationship
Post by: leogirl on October 19, 2016, 04:15:23 am
Tom has been married since 2005 (same year as C&C marriage) and has two kids. He and his wife dated for five years before getting married. I don't know what Camilla expected for her kids. I know she wanted to be a mistress because that "job" ran in her family, but I don't think Laura was interested in hooking up with William or Harry (they're a bit younger than she is, especially pre-2005, as the younger you are the more age difference matters, and she probably didn't want to be a mistress anyway after all the drama from her mother), and Charles doesn't have a daughter. Laura married in 2006, so must have already been in a relationship at the time of C&C wedding... no time for Camilla to use her royal status to look for a titled husband for Laura.


Title: Re: Charles & Camilla Relationship
Post by: india on October 19, 2016, 06:13:13 am
There was no need for them to marry up. Tom and Laura are happy with their lives. They are well connected and have money.


Title: Re: Charles & Camilla Relationship
Post by: Val on October 19, 2016, 07:27:39 am
^

Not like the desperate conniving viper.  Camilla is from a completely different background from her and had no need to hustle her children.  Charles and Camilla have a very happy, loving relationship and just want to be together.


Title: Re: Charles & Camilla Relationship
Post by: Alexandrine on October 19, 2016, 08:09:18 am
Camilla had already married up. No way Tom would have the jobs he has without Charles being his stepfather.


Title: Re: Charles & Camilla Relationship
Post by: india on October 19, 2016, 12:44:04 pm
That is all fine and good. But even without Charles, Tom and Laura are very well connected socially. This will  help them all of their lives.


Title: Re: Charles & Camilla Relationship
Post by: sandy on October 19, 2016, 02:30:57 pm
^

Not like the desperate conniving viper.  Camilla is from a completely different background from her and had no need to hustle her children.  Charles and Camilla have a very happy, loving relationship and just want to be together.

Unfortunately, IMO, their "happy, loving relationship" was also  during the time both were married to others. Camilla also interfered in Charles relationship with Diana even from the time of the courtship when she tried to "mentor" Diana. I think each of them are out for themselves.  Tom Parker Bowles name drops
Sir and Mum to promote his books. I don't think he would get that much attention without this connection--just being the son of CPB and APB (whom he doesn't even mention most of the time) would not get him the attention, but being Sir's stepson surely does.. I think C and C  deserve each other. If they wanted to be together, I think they would have married early on. Charles did not even bother to tell her to wait for him when he went to sea. I honestly think he felt she was not good enough to marry and have his heirs. I think she was the last woman standing and the "happy" couple may not actually spend that much together, Camilla maintaining that separate residence. It's not Camilla's background that's the problem, it is IMO how she got where she is today, which I think rather sordid.


Title: Re: Charles & Camilla Relationship
Post by: india on October 19, 2016, 05:55:27 pm
Yes, it is sordid but it is what it is.


Title: Re: Charles & Camilla Relationship
Post by: LadyVi on December 16, 2016, 07:29:57 pm
Wait? What?! Charles and Camilla don't love each other and they don't live together? This is news to me. How? Why? Since when? But they look 'lovey-dovey' with each other when they do engagements together (although over the last few months I've seen the od article here and there about a possible divorce and Camilla demanding money). Is their romance all an act then?


Title: Re: Charles & Camilla Relationship
Post by: sandy on December 17, 2016, 12:38:09 am
Whatever the nature of their relationship, there can be no divorce because Charles could not afford another one (he might lose access to the throne if he is divorced man 2x) and he wove the Great Love Story and he'd look ridiculous if the marriage broke up.


Title: Re: Charles & Camilla Relationship
Post by: Val on December 17, 2016, 08:45:14 am
^^

According to those close C and C have a very happy relationship which works really well for them for example giving Camilla time with her grandchildren at Raymill.  There are many obvious affectionate guestures and looks between them in public which confirms this too.


Title: Re: Charles & Camilla Relationship
Post by: meememe on December 17, 2016, 09:13:14 am
The Globe and its copy cat DirtyCelebrity are always saying that Charles and Camilla are on the verge of divorcing with Camilla demanding a payout of 100 or 200 million pounds (story hasn't changed since around 2006). They are always saying William and Kate are about to divorce and/or the Queen is going to bypass Charles for William when she abdicates.

There are other media outlets that take this stuff as gospel ignoring the information coming from more reliable sources which say that Charles and Camilla are very much still in love. The claims about them living separate lives is due to the fact that at least once a month Camilla spends a weekend or so staying at Raymill rather than Highgrove to be with her own children and grandchildren.

What many people ignore is the fact that these people have multiple homes and regularly spend time with friends etc in different homes e.g. The Queen will often spend the weekend with one friend while Philip will spend it with his own friends and family - especially his nieces and nephews from Germany. Often one of more of them will visit 'Uncle Philip' or 'Great-Uncle Philip' for a time. They will also visit when the Queen is present of course but just as Sarah Chatto will often spend time with the Queen alone some of Philip's sister's children make the effort to spend time with him.


Title: Re: Charles & Camilla Relationship
Post by: leogirl on December 17, 2016, 10:05:14 am
Yes, I think it is normal for people to visit their relatives. It does not mean they're getting a divorce if they spend some time apart. I also agree with sandy that even if they were having problems they would not divorce.


Title: Re: Charles & Camilla Relationship
Post by: KatherineTheGreat on December 17, 2016, 12:55:23 pm
Charles and Camilla seem quite content to me. I do not think they will ever divorce.


Title: Re: Charles & Camilla Relationship
Post by: sandy on December 17, 2016, 03:11:46 pm
 I doubt Charles could afford another divorce in any case. Yes, I think Camilla is content, all the years of manipulation paid off and she can wear the bling and have the HRH. Charles got to have his cake and eat it too.


Title: Re: Charles & Camilla Relationship
Post by: Alexandrine on December 17, 2016, 04:15:40 pm
Charles would look like an idiot if he divorced.


Title: Re: Charles & Camilla Relationship
Post by: gingerboy24 on January 16, 2017, 07:55:07 pm
Bit rich for camzilla to be furious she was cheated on when she was the other woman in Diana´s marriage with chucky.  Pot calling kettle black springs to mind.

http://en.institutomanquehue.org/publications/news/prince-charles-cheating-medicine-declares-royal-spy.html


Title: Re: Charles & Camilla Relationship
Post by: marion on January 16, 2017, 10:43:53 pm
Oh karma can be such a *female dog*


Title: Re: Charles & Camilla Relationship
Post by: Fly on the wall on January 18, 2017, 06:32:56 pm
Camilla opens state-of-the-art research lab in Aberdeen
http://www.express.co.uk/news/royal/755785/Camilla-Duchess-of-Cornwall-opens-research-lab-Aberdeen-University


Title: Re: Charles & Camilla Relationship
Post by: Tatiana on January 21, 2017, 06:53:58 am
   She stuffed her face there, and eyed the Scotch pies,  no clue why she was made Chancellor, it's so inappropriate.


Title: Re: Charles & Camilla Relationship
Post by: Kuei Fei on January 29, 2017, 10:37:10 am
I often wish someone would in fact flirt with Charles in public.

In fact, if he left her for a titled younger woman capable of giving him more heirs, or the delicious irony.


Title: Re: Charles & Camilla Relationship
Post by: Tatiana on March 19, 2017, 11:11:10 pm
  I don't think they are in a monogamous relationship, nor do many "in the know".    bignono


Title: Re: Charles & Camilla Relationship
Post by: marion on March 20, 2017, 09:15:13 pm
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-4205234/Prince-Charless-fairytale-life-new-biography.html

This certainly doesn't paint Charles in a good light...Diana never stood a chance in this marriage


Title: Re: Charles & Camilla Relationship
Post by: Rosella on March 20, 2017, 09:42:39 pm
I've got a funny feeling that the Daily Fail is doing its usual job of both cherry picking, twisting facts and mis transcribing stuff when it reviews books. For instance, the marriage of Bertie, then Duke of York and Lady Elizabeth Bowes Lyon wasn't an 'arranged marriage' but that of George V, then Duke of York, and Princess Mary of Teck was. Also, Harvey, Charles's beloved lab, became incontinent and that was the reason an aide took him.

Nevertheless, it looks like an intriguiging biography and I'm going to buy it.


Title: Re: Charles & Camilla Relationship
Post by: sandy on March 20, 2017, 11:23:09 pm
Oh but it does put Charles in a good light. It is the alas poor Charles biography and "mean" Diana. And Charles "being forced by his mean old Dad" to marry Camilla. The flaky author makes it seem that Charles was abducted, forced to dress up in the uniform and Philip holding a gun forcing him to marry Diana. And that Harvey story is as old as the hills. Royal dogs have lavish royal kennels so incontinent Harvey was put in one. It is hysterical that the author accused Diana of beating up Charles when he was praying. This book could be a laugh fest. Charles must be thrilled.


Title: Re: Charles & Camilla Relationship
Post by: gingerboy24 on March 21, 2017, 10:50:33 am
Sadly, too many know the truth to be blinkered by drivel like that.  We know what happened, and have not forgotten. Chucky is nothing but a vile scumbag in my eyes.


Title: Re: Charles & Camilla Relationship
Post by: Stargazer on March 22, 2017, 01:32:02 am
^Interesting timing isn't it? This year is the 20 years since the anniversary of Diana's passing. Willy and Hazza are getting a sculpture made in her honour. Then this drivel comes out with a story to paint Chuck in a good light. I wonder who commissioned it! :sly: :sly:


Title: Re: Charles & Camilla Relationship
Post by: sandy on March 22, 2017, 01:58:18 am
Charles probably gave Sally the go ahead after the hatchet job she did on Diana in two of her earlier books. Maybe Camilla invited Sally for "girl talk". I read that Junor is planning an "anniversary" gift for Diana, a biography of Camilla. I wonder if she claims Charles gets beaten up by Diana when he prays. Charles is such a prat IMO. I think the Palace gets sycophants to review the book and comment on it in the DM and other media outlets.  Will and Harry better hurry up getting that sculpture ready before Charles sics his cousins the Mountbatten women to bash Diana again. Charles is such a pathetic loser he does not realize how idiotic he is when he claims his father "forced him" to marry Diana. He sounds like a big baby.


Title: Re: Charles & Camilla Relationship
Post by: Tatiana on March 22, 2017, 03:53:36 am
  If, and that's a big IF, Diana hit Charles I hope she hit him as hard as she could.  He used her and ruined her life.   The dog was incontinent and this book makes Charles look like a weak dithering fool.   :laugh:


Title: Re: Charles & Camilla Relationship
Post by: CathyJane on March 22, 2017, 08:21:50 pm
Which he is.  :tehe: :tehe: :tehe:


Title: Re: Charles & Camilla Relationship
Post by: Fly on the wall on March 31, 2017, 06:11:27 pm
Revealed: How the Romanian gipsy boy pictured being hugged by Prince Charles won his heart
It was a rare display of genuine Royal affection. On a tour of Romania yesterday, the Prince of Wales spotted the son of a close friend, wrapped his arms around and gave him the biggest of hugs. Prince Charles beamed with joy. So too did the 11-year-old boy.

The child is Valentin Blacker, the son of an old Etonian and whose mother is a Romanian gipsy. William Blacker, 54, told The Telegraph yesterday that his son, who lives in a remote village in Transylvania, is not put off by Royal protocol in the way that children brought up in the UK might be.

“Valentin is not inhibited by the formalities that a British boy in awe of the royal family would have,” said Mr Blacker, “Theirs is a very touching relationship.”
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2017/03/31/prince-wales-hugs-romanian-local-confronting-statue-relative/




Title: Re: Charles & Camilla Relationship
Post by: sandy on April 01, 2017, 12:06:22 am
Charles seems to be listening to a PR guru about being the "lovable" codger, all he needed was a puppy in the photo too. He looks uncomfortable and he puts on a goofy face. this is so obvious.


Title: Re: Charles & Camilla Relationship
Post by: Tatiana on May 04, 2017, 01:03:11 am
  They have literally spent millions on the PR for this awful couple .. and now his sons have dashed all that to pieces...  :tehe:


Title: Re: Charles & Camilla Relationship
Post by: sandy on May 04, 2017, 02:38:13 pm
Charles probably thought that his Pal Sally Smith's hatchet job on Diana would derail plans for the 20th anniversary. It sure didn't.


Title: Re: Charles & Camilla Relationship
Post by: Val on October 20, 2017, 10:04:09 pm
A man called Simon is claiming in the National Enquirer that he is the son of PC and Camilla with evidence to back it up and he is going to confront them on their visit.  He is saying that he can legally demand DNA for a test too and he is the rightful heir.  Some say the NI unreliable but they have a history of getting much right.  Ma will be apoplectic if she thinks her stalking has been in vain.


Title: Re: Charles & Camilla Relationship
Post by: marion on October 20, 2017, 10:11:43 pm
I've heard about this before. It's not just the National Enquirer that runs this story either.

Willy said he wants a normal life etc ,  be careful what you wish for !!!


Title: Re: Charles & Camilla Relationship
Post by: dianab on October 20, 2017, 10:15:40 pm
i thought the story was they had had a daughter?


Title: Re: Charles & Camilla Relationship
Post by: sandy on October 20, 2017, 11:04:44 pm
There was an earlier story in one of the tabs that there was a daughter who was conceived ca. 1980 and Camilla hid the pregnancy. She gave the baby girl to her friends to raise but she and CHarles know all about her. Or so it says


Title: Re: Charles & Camilla Relationship
Post by: Val on October 21, 2017, 08:42:40 am
^^^

What transpires on their Australian visit if anything will be interesting.


Title: Re: Charles & Camilla Relationship
Post by: Little light on October 21, 2017, 01:05:53 pm
Whether the story is true or not, this Simon cannot  be the rightful heir as PC was unmarried until 1981.

So that makes his claim invalid.


Title: Re: Charles & Camilla Relationship
Post by: HRHOlya on October 21, 2017, 01:14:18 pm
^ True, illegitimate children have no claims. But doesn't a later marriage legitimize kids? I know that in some instances children were treated as illegitimate even though the parents later married (I think some aristocratic family way back in the past? don't remember anymore about whom this was tbh). But I remember that some of Monaco's offspring was made legitimate by the church after marriage, even though the kids were born before; and Annabel Goldsmith had children with James Goldsmith out of wedlock and specifically stated that they only married to legitimize the children just before the first one was supposed to go to school.

Technically, imo, if C&C had a kid out of wedlock (before or even after marrying Diana), that child could basically contest their illegitimacy on the grounds that their parents are now married (going by the Goldsmith example here, as that's relevant to Britain). Maybe though there's a law in place for the Winds that makes it impossible? :dontknow:


Title: Re: Charles & Camilla Relationship
Post by: Little light on October 21, 2017, 01:55:17 pm
I didn’t know that. I just assumed if the parents were not married at the time of the child’s birth, then they were illegitimate.

So what happens in today’s aristocracy? And what about Princess Alexandr’s daughter Marina Ogilvie who had a child out of wedlock?






Title: Re: Charles & Camilla Relationship
Post by: HRHOlya on October 21, 2017, 02:23:46 pm
I have no idea. The Monaco case(s?) is for itself, as they are catholic and that went by the Vatican.

In Britain, I don't know. The Goldsmiths did legitimize their kids that way after they were born.
Emma McQuiston/ Weymouth had with her husband their second child via surrogate, even though as far as I know their children have to be "of the body born", but I think they said their second son is a heir to the title too.

I have no clue, really, how they were to handle it. But both surrogacy and legitimizing later on would imo both legally be possible when contested in court, so a C&C child or someone born via surrogacy could imo lay claim and legally win.


Title: Re: Charles & Camilla Relationship
Post by: Val on October 21, 2017, 02:36:18 pm
In one of the articles about Simon it said if he was their child he would be made legitimate by their later marriage.  Who knows but if true will be very interesting.


Title: Re: Charles & Camilla Relationship
Post by: Rosella on October 21, 2017, 03:45:00 pm
In the normal course of events only males can succeed to peerages in England and Wales at the moment. As the law in England now stands, an offspring is deemed to be legitimate if it's parents married at the time of its birth or if they marry later.

However, only legitimate children may succeed to an English, Welsh or British title (not Scottish, they have different laws) and (this is the kicker) that said peerage or peerages can only be inherited by a child BORN legitimate, NOT legitimated by a later marriage.
 


Title: Re: Charles & Camilla Relationship
Post by: HRHOlya on October 21, 2017, 04:34:06 pm
^ I see, rather, I don't know.. complicated? A bit dumb, really.  :thumbsdown:  :easter-no: :NOwhy: :judge: :noway:

Imo quite a few laws really need to be reviewed asap. For one this about legitimizing children, for another that females can inherit.  :angry:


Title: Re: Charles & Camilla Relationship
Post by: Val on October 21, 2017, 06:56:12 pm
This claimant seems to think he has evidence and means of inheriting so we can only wait and see but it will be very interesting watching what unfolds.


Title: Re: Charles & Camilla Relationship
Post by: sandy on October 21, 2017, 11:15:55 pm
I didn’t know that. I just assumed if the parents were not married at the time of the child’s birth, then they were illegitimate.

So what happens in today’s aristocracy? And what about Princess Alexandr’s daughter Marina Ogilvie who had a child out of wedlock?






Marina married the father of her child. So the child became legitimate


Title: Re: Charles & Camilla Relationship
Post by: Little light on October 22, 2017, 12:59:33 am
Thank for letting me know. I Didn't know this.


Title: Re: Charles & Camilla Relationship
Post by: meememe on October 22, 2017, 05:47:19 am
I didn’t know that. I just assumed if the parents were not married at the time of the child’s birth, then they were illegitimate.

So what happens in today’s aristocracy? And what about Princess Alexandr’s daughter Marina Ogilvie who had a child out of wedlock?




Marina married Paul on 2nd February and the child - Zenouska - was born on the 26th May so she wasn't born 'out of wedlock'. They divorced in 1997 but both children that Marina's has were born in a legitimate marriage.


Title: Re: Charles & Camilla Relationship
Post by: sandy on October 22, 2017, 11:12:02 pm
She was pregnant at the time of the marriage. And there was question that she'd actually marry the father. I don't recall if was parental pressure.


Title: Re: Charles & Camilla Relationship
Post by: lesken on April 12, 2018, 03:02:13 pm
In the olden Catholic days, the pope could legitimize the heirs if the parents married after the birth. Don't know if the Anglican church can, but that would be the Queen and the head Bishop I think making the decision. Don't know if the actual law allows that in terms of peerage or the crown.  But no one is going to push William away yet. If his kids end up not being theirs (down the line) that would be different. Then Murky gets a chance unless PH is not PC son. So much behind the scenes here!!!! I think the public should be allowed to elect the next Monarch from the royal pull. Then Princess Anne would win IMO.


Title: Re: Charles & Camilla Relationship
Post by: sandy on April 12, 2018, 03:06:18 pm
Harry is Prince Charles' biological son. The resemblance is striking. And Charles and Diana conceived Harry in December 1983. Hewitt was nowhere in sight. There is no question nor there should be that Charles is Harry's bio dad. And if Harry were not Charles, Charles is not a kind person and would have banished Diana and Harry from royal households. Charles is also not stupid. He wanted the heir and spare then he was done with Diana.


Title: Re: Charles & Camilla Relationship
Post by: lesken on April 12, 2018, 03:25:27 pm
Most likely he is PC son, but without a DNA test legitimately done, the gossip is still out there. I was just speculating. There is even past talk of PA not being QE son. So there is always that talk and it still exists. Problem is both D and C cheated on each other. And PH has the Spenser coloring but so did Hewitt. Hewitt has better features than Harry which makes PC the more likely father. But who knows? The chances are no child of PC and Cammi exists or will be proven as existing.


Title: Re: Charles & Camilla Relationship
Post by: sandy on April 12, 2018, 08:07:38 pm
Diana cheated after Charles dumped her. Which was after Harry was born. She only connected with Hewitt around the time of the York wedding in 1986 which was nearly two years after Harry was born. Camilla stopped relations with Charles when she was conceiving the heir and spare for APB. He turned to Kanga during that interval. There was a report that C and C had a secret daughter who was given up for adoption.


Title: Re: Charles & Camilla Relationship
Post by: dianab on April 12, 2018, 10:00:20 pm
Hewitt has better features than Harry which makes PC the more likely father.
that's always  my point, harry IS too ugly  :laundry: to be a Diana and James Hewitt child.... a child of them will be SOOOO better looking ... i remember seeing few clips of hewitt in old royal docs he was a strikingly good looking man - AND of course he's big BROWN EYES and diana had BIG BLUE EYES, both of them no rosacea... obviously harry has little blue/green eyes and rosacea, and charles the same

i believe edward and andrew belong to others men... they and charles are completely different in looks... no physical similarity


Title: Re: Charles & Camilla Relationship
Post by: sandy on April 13, 2018, 12:19:07 am
Hewitt did not age well. Unfortunately he probably drank a lot.


Title: Re: Charles & Camilla Relationship
Post by: dianab on April 13, 2018, 02:20:03 am
hardly anything compared to harry, william, guy pelly, chelsy et al


Title: Re: Charles & Camilla Relationship
Post by: CathyJane on April 13, 2018, 03:11:05 am
Hewitt has better features than Harry which makes PC the more likely father.
that's always  my point, harry IS too ugly  :laundry: to be a Diana and James Hewitt child.... a child of them will be SOOOO better looking ... i remember seeing few clips of hewitt in old royal docs he was a strikingly good looking man - AND of course he's big BROWN EYES and diana had BIG BLUE EYES, both of them no rosacea... obviously harry has little blue/green eyes and rosacea, and charles the same

i believe edward and andrew belong to others men... they and charles are completely different in looks... no physical similarity


I always thought Chuck looked like he could be Eddie's dad. lol


Title: Re: Charles & Camilla Relationship
Post by: dianab on April 13, 2018, 01:39:46 pm
disagree... charles looks like duke of windsor and one of philip's sisters... edward is the spitting of the queen

prince charles
http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2016/07/21/00/367401DF00000578-3700423-image-a-55_1469058950024.jpg
https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/originals/4b/23/bc/4b23bcfe86904d2f8575ac86dce59cd7.jpg
http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2016/02/19/14/315EB3F100000578-3453182-image-m-18_1455893232373.jpg
https://i.pinimg.com/originals/64/04/aa/6404aacd9be3ec27d69468dfcd926b10.jpg
http://l7.alamy.com/zooms/2919dd6bbc9f4bf18d04bb6f35d89cd6/prince-charles-as-a-little-boy-in-the-1950s-with-queen-elizabeth-ii-b4ptep.jpg
https://secure.i.telegraph.co.uk/multimedia/archive/01133/opinion-graphics-2_1133405a.jpg
https://encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcQCf4vTjiNWoyuVHw2zmv0FzB6agcU1ka6l1lgkePvSd3fZEBbf

prince edward
http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2016/07/22/00/367B017000000578-3702414-image-m-62_1469145334025.jpg
http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2016/07/22/00/367B017800000578-3702414-image-a-59_1469145288407.jpg
http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2016/07/22/00/367B015600000578-3702414-image-m-55_1469145185167.jpg
http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2016/07/22/00/367B01C500000578-3702414-image-m-50_1469144395294.jpg
http://l7.alamy.com/zooms/a284221769614eeca35d76d7f07d4ac6/the-queen-and-the-duke-of-edinburgh-seen-here-at-balmoral-castle-scotland-enw116.jpg
https://static01.nyt.com/images/2017/11/21/world/21ukroyals2/21ukroyals2-superJumbo.jpg
https://i.pinimg.com/originals/68/f8/70/68f870a2325b788e850ce96a6d3ae596.jpg

i believe edward is baron plunket's son
http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-RJiNcFf3smY/UlNKyjDK5UI/AAAAAAAAlgA/4CGhn7bUelk/s640/Plunk.jpg


Title: Re: Charles & Camilla Relationship
Post by: sandy on April 13, 2018, 02:54:47 pm
Charles has the outsize ears of  his paternal grandfather.


Title: Re: Charles & Camilla Relationship
Post by: HRHOlya on April 17, 2018, 10:30:01 pm
Prince Charles opens up on his 'darling wife' in fascinating documentary on Camilla - as friends insist she 'isn’t interested in position or status'

    The Duchess of Cornwall, 70, will star in her own documentary on ITV next week
    The Real Camilla follows a year in the life of the royal on official engagements
    It offers more intimate moments, including interviews with Prince Charles, 69
    Charles refers to her as 'my darling wife' and praises her for being a good listener


Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/femail/article-5626931/New-documentary-Camilla-Real-Camilla-HRH-Duchess-Cornwall-air.html

Of course she isn't.... :bored:
These Windsor men are as dumb as a box of rocks, remarkable.


Title: Re: Charles & Camilla Relationship
Post by: sandy on April 17, 2018, 11:42:25 pm
Oh dear. This was tried last SUmmer and it went over like a lead balloon. It's going to make some dislike them even more. Something I won't be watching. How come Penny is not doing the interview with her dahling Charles.


Title: Re: Charles & Camilla Relationship
Post by: Rosella on April 18, 2018, 12:24:10 am
^Yes, they're trying again obviously, after the big fail of trying to promote Cam in Diana's anniversary year. I think Charles will stress how 'supportive' she's been to him, and how dutiful, a perfect future Queen etc etc. Because I think that's the end game. It's a pity Charles couldn't have praised Diana like that. It would have meant the world to her.


Title: Re: Charles & Camilla Relationship
Post by: sandy on April 18, 2018, 12:33:43 am
Charles has a sledge hammer approach to PR. Which makes it a lot worse.


Title: Re: Charles & Camilla Relationship
Post by: CathyJane on April 18, 2018, 03:18:57 am
Open mouth, insert HUGE foot with stoopid looking shoes.   :P