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Title: Will Camilla be Queen?
Post by: karla64 on November 19, 2010, 07:54:15 pm
http://blogs.news.sky.com/stateandfaith/Post:92656dd8-ff83-4a4b-a903-c0147c82b263


Title: Re: Prince Charles confirmed Queen Camilla possiblity
Post by: Alexandrine on November 19, 2010, 08:05:12 pm
 :o



Title: Re: Prince Charles confirmed Queen Camilla possiblity
Post by: benign on November 19, 2010, 08:29:31 pm
its only right that Camilla should be Queen since PC is the heir to the throne. Dwelling about the past is not going to change anything so might as well let it be.


Title: Re: Prince Charles confirmed Queen Camilla possiblity
Post by: YooperModerator on November 19, 2010, 09:14:38 pm
In my opinion it's just a title in her case: she will be queen Camilla yes, but she will never be 'The Queen'!


Title: Re: Prince Charles confirmed Queen Camilla possiblity
Post by: DrWonderWoman on November 19, 2010, 09:24:38 pm
its only right that Camilla should be Queen since PC is the heir to the throne. Dwelling about the past is not going to change anything so might as well let it be.

I'm in total agreeance over this.


Title: Re: Prince Charles confirmed Queen Camilla possiblity
Post by: Wombat on November 19, 2010, 09:28:49 pm
It's not right. Legally she should not be entitled to the Queen title. Queen consort maybe. This woman has no right bearing any title other than home wrecker! :angry:


Title: Re: Prince Charles confirmed Queen Camilla possiblity
Post by: Alexandrine on November 19, 2010, 09:32:00 pm
At least Charles should have had the decency to say that when they got married not now.

Although I think that now that WK is going to be queen he thinks that Camilla is not worse than her so why should she not get the title?  :whistle:


Title: Re: Prince Charles confirmed Queen Camilla possiblity
Post by: DrWonderWoman on November 19, 2010, 09:47:59 pm
He said whatever he had to at the moment back then to make it happen for him and Camz. That's the way he's always been (as far as his personal life goes imo) and that won't ever change. Now his real plan is coming into play. It's sneaky.



Title: Re: Prince Charles confirmed Queen Camilla possiblity
Post by: Kuei Fei on November 19, 2010, 09:48:43 pm
It's not right. Legally she should not be entitled to the Queen title. Queen consort maybe. This woman has no right bearing any title other than home wrecker! :angry:

Queen Consort would be her exact title, which his what she was going to renounce for Princess Consort. But I think that Camilla shoudl jsut use the title Queen Consort and be done with it. She won't be the one reigning in her own right after all.


Title: Re: Prince Charles confirmed Queen Camilla possiblity
Post by: karla64 on November 19, 2010, 10:05:48 pm
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1331296/Camilla-Queen-Charles-breaks-year-silence-future-role-second-wife.html


Title: Re: Prince Charles confirmed Queen Camilla possiblity
Post by: Wombat on November 19, 2010, 11:23:51 pm
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Charles: I don't think about being King as it means the death of my mother
:sob:


Title: Re: Prince Charles confirmed Queen Camilla possiblity
Post by: Alexandrine on November 19, 2010, 11:25:52 pm
that's  :cry:


Title: Re: Prince Charles confirmed Queen Camilla possiblity
Post by: YooperModerator on November 19, 2010, 11:38:28 pm
 :AWW:
you know sometimes that man.... :sigh:
being spontaneous can be nice from time to time ;)
at other times...oh well let's not go there....


Title: Re: Prince Charles confirmed Queen Camilla possiblity
Post by: Alexandrine on November 20, 2010, 01:57:54 pm
The Son Also Rises: Should William Be King?

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There's little question who'd win a popularity contest between the aging prince, who has alienated many Britons, and the charismatic young man who reminds many of his late mother, Diana. And Camilla, whom Charles married eight years after Diana's death, is not loved by the public, while William's fiancee, Kate Middleton, is cresting in popularity.

http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=131462306


Title: Re: Prince Charles confirmed Queen Camilla possiblity
Post by: benign on November 20, 2010, 08:02:18 pm
OT: any chance if anyone knows the story behind Kanga? wasnt she obssessed with PC?


Title: Re: Prince Charles confirmed Queen Camilla possiblity
Post by: MOSAIC on November 20, 2010, 10:08:51 pm

Benign:  Very much so.  But she lost out to Camilla, and it broke her heart.  She was really in love with Charles and he felt she was the only one to really understand him, but there was always Camilla.  Kanga had a designers range of clothes and Diana wore one for a photocall at Kensington Palace.  These two at least were friends.


Title: Re: Prince Charles confirmed Queen Camilla possiblity
Post by: Wombat on November 21, 2010, 12:32:31 am
I think this story has been blown all out of proportion. She's going to be Queen..just not like QEII. As much as I dont care for it...it will happen. Plus Charles really didn't say anything about it. His response to the question was fumbly at best. Hmmm.....it does increase Wills and Kates stocks though doesn't it? :runforhills:


Title: Re: Prince Charles confirmed Queen Camilla possiblity
Post by: Alexandrine on November 21, 2010, 01:43:09 pm
David Cameron hints that he would support Duchess of Cornwall as queen

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Asked whether he was "up for Queen Camilla", Mr Cameron said it was "too early for decisions" but acknowledged that it was a subject that would be discussed at some point.

He said: "I'm a big Camilla fan."

"I think the country is getting to know her and getting to see that she is a very warm-hearted person with a big sense of humour and a big heart.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/royal-wedding/8149669/David-Cameron-hints-that-he-would-support-Duchess-of-Cornwall-as-queen.html


Title: Re: Prince Charles confirmed Queen Camilla possiblity
Post by: Scarlet Flowers on November 22, 2010, 12:59:55 am
Welcome back, DWW. :hi:

This really isn't news.  It will be inevitable that Camilla will be Queen no matter her title.


Title: Re: Prince Charles confirmed Queen Camilla possiblity
Post by: Varya on November 22, 2010, 01:06:53 am
Honestly I wouldn't mind it... while I don't agree with how she treated Diana at all, it was a VERY long time ago, and heck if  :Kate: is being hailed as "future Queen" then can't be much worse.


Title: Re: Prince Charles confirmed Queen Camilla possiblity
Post by: Grace and Diana Fan on January 05, 2011, 12:04:58 am
OMG, "Queen Camilla" just does not sound right, but more than likely, it will happen. It sounds about as bad as "Queen Catherine" (Kate). I'd rather had seen "Queen Diana".


Title: Re: Prince Charles confirmed Queen Camilla possiblity
Post by: Dahlia on January 05, 2011, 01:05:25 am
There was a Queen Catherine (of Aragon) in the Tudor Dynastie. 
But there is a huge differnce between those two. And Catherine of Aragon wins.


Title: Re: Prince Charles confirmed Queen Camilla possiblity
Post by: Grace and Diana Fan on January 05, 2011, 01:11:50 am
There was a Queen Catherine (of Aragon) in the Tudor Dynastie. 
But there is a huge differnce between those two. And Catherine of Aragon wins.


Katharine of Aragon is my favorite Tudor Queen, so I agree. She wins hands down!


Title: Re: Prince Charles confirmed Queen Camilla possiblity
Post by: Alexandrine on February 07, 2011, 10:05:14 pm
Duchess of Cornwall gives first public hint that she may one day be Queen

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When asked the direct question by an inquisitive eight year-old, during a visit to a children’s centre in Chippenham, Wiltshire, Camilla replied: “You never know.”

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/newstopics/theroyalfamily/8309393/Duchess-of-Cornwall-gives-first-public-hint-that-she-may-one-day-be-Queen.html

 :blabla:


Title: Will I become Queen? You never know! Camilla's admission to curious girl
Post by: TAG Princess on February 08, 2011, 03:05:38 pm
Will I become Queen? You never know! Camilla's admission to curious girl (http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1354496/Camillas-umbrella-malfunction-Queen-returns-Sandringham.html)


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Despite being married to Charles for nearly six years, Camilla still faces fierce opposition from most Britons to the idea of her becoming Queen.

But yesterday the Duchess of Cornwall gave a public hint that she hadn’t given up on the idea herself.

During an official visit, an eight-year-old girl asked her: ‘Are you going to be Queen one day?’

Looking a little ruffled, she replied: ‘You never know.’

The remark comes only months after Charles stated for the first time that his wife could be given the title.

In November the Prince of Wales was asked in an interview on the U.S. channel NBC if Camilla would be Queen if he became King.

His response: ‘That’s, that’s, we’ll see, won’t we? That could be.’


I shudder at the idea of Camilla becoming Queen!   :-X


Title: Re: Will I become Queen? You never know! Camilla's admission to curious girl
Post by: True Brit on February 08, 2011, 03:56:26 pm
But of course she will become Queen. If he's King it will be inevitable. I really don't understand why so many people have been fooled into believing it will be otherwise.


Title: Re: Will I become Queen? You never know! Camilla's admission to curious girl
Post by: beline on February 09, 2011, 12:04:45 pm
http://www.express.co.uk/posts/view/227779/Camilla-will-be-our-Queen

I also think it's a done deal. When the times comes, both will be crowned...No way she's going to be just"Princess Consort"or staying "Duchess of Cornwall" then.


Title: Re: Will I become Queen? You never know! Camilla's admission to curious girl
Post by: Lieblich on February 09, 2011, 12:45:34 pm
The only reason she's "Duchess of Cornwall" is because that is a title she actually has. "Princess Consort" is a completely made-up title within the UK, and legally she will be HM the Queen Consort.


Title: Re: Will I become Queen? You never know! Camilla's admission to curious girl
Post by: True Brit on February 10, 2011, 04:54:09 pm
I knew I'd read somewhere that the legality of the C7C marriage was in dispute and here is an article from Toby Young at the Daily Telegraph. I have also read a comment that the Parker Bowles family is Roman Catholic and although her marriage was annulled she is still married and styill a Catholic in the eyes of the Vatican so that will throw another spanner in the works.

http://blogs.telegraph.co.uk/news/tobyyoung/100064426/camilla-cant-become-queen-because-shes-not-legally-married-to-charles/


Title: Re: Will I become Queen? You never know! Camilla's admission to curious girl
Post by: benign on February 14, 2011, 01:03:07 am
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1356709/The-plot-make-Queen-Camilla-She-claims-horrified-idea-indiscreet-aside-given-game-away--.html#ixzz1DtGXxf00

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In Palace circles, few doubt that this public display of family togetherness was Camilla’s deliberate way of showing the world how well she gets on with Diana’s children. The fact she was giving Kate (whom she calls ‘Catherine’) advice — quite loudly, according to fellow diners — is said to be just the beginning of a      relationship forged between two nouveau royals and future Queens that Camilla is anxious is as close as possible.
And she is acutely aware that Charles is worried that Kate’s arrival on the royal scene will shift attention away from him and Camilla.
- there is no plot, Cam is going to be Queen no matter what. As to the lunch date, so it really was all about PR...


Title: Re: Will I become Queen? You never know! Camilla's admission to curious girl
Post by: Kuei Fei on February 14, 2011, 01:14:44 am
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a      relationship forged between two nouveau royals and future Queens that Camilla is anxious is as close as possible.


I wonder if Camilla was spying on HM's behalf. HM doens't want to be seen with her, so she orders Camilla to do it on her behalf and give HM a report on Kate's personality so far. Camilla has seen KM bash Charles and bash her and paint the two of them (Charles nad Camilla) as two conspiring evil demons and Kate as this innocent.

Lastly, Camilla's rightful title is going to be Queen Consort.


Title: Re: Will I become Queen? You never know! Camilla's admission to curious girl
Post by: Grace and Diana Fan on February 14, 2011, 08:14:36 pm
 :runforhills:

As soon as Charles and Camilla became engaged, didn't we all know she would be Queen Consort? The Royal Family has tried to throw everybody off with this "Princess Consort" crap for years. Cut the crap, and FINALLY reveal the truth. Unfortunately, she will in fact be Queen...that is unless Charles drops dead before The Queen!



Title: Re: Will I become Queen? You never know! Camilla's admission to curious girl
Post by: lisa on February 19, 2011, 03:49:24 am
For all anyone knows, Camilla may die before Charles is crowned and then all of this is mute.  This soap opera may end w/Charles being crowned (if he lives long enough) w/o a wife by his side.  Do any of us believe he will marry for a 3rd time, after losing not one, but two wives that predeceased him!   :eightball:


Title: I don't want to be Queen
Post by: Alexandrine on November 10, 2011, 11:11:56 am
http://www.express.co.uk/posts/view/282837/Camilla-I-don-t-want-to-be-Queen

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“It will be up to the Government of the day to decide whether it thinks legislation is needed,” the senior royal adviser said.
“Otherwise she will, as you say, legally be Queen but that doesn’t mean she has to be known by that title.
“In the same way, she is legally the Princess of Wales but she doesn’t use that title because of the sensitivities.”
In February, she fuelled suspicions that she and Charles were still plotting for her to be given the title when an eight-year-old girl asked her: “Are you going to be Queen one day,” and she replied: “You never know.”


Title: Re: I don't want to be Queen
Post by: Black Queen on November 10, 2011, 07:00:22 pm
Come on, she's wants to be Queen she wouldn't have held on so strong for so long. I think when Charles does become King she'll be the most unpopular Consort in British history.


Title: Re: I don't want to be Queen
Post by: Tatiana on November 10, 2011, 07:50:42 pm
            She is being sensitive to Diana ?

                    It's a tad late isnt it ?

                           Why not when Diana was alive, a young mother with two small sons ?

                             C &C thought nothing of their spouses or indeed their children, when they were rutting in the bushes of Highgrove, or conducting their illicit affair in the  homes/bedrooms of friends and sychophants.

                                I find it distasteful in the extreme to be talking of being Queen or not , when one's mother in law is still alive.


                                  This barrage of PR for C&C is quite obvious to most of us.

                                               I agree with BlackQueen, she will be about as popular as Anne Boleyn was.

                                      


Title: Re: I don't want to be Queen
Post by: Mooster on November 10, 2011, 10:35:46 pm
Memo to Camilla ---- I don't want you to be Queen either  :tehe:


Title: Re: I don't want to be Queen
Post by: berlin on November 11, 2011, 12:16:03 am
I think this comment says it all: 

I have resisted commenting on these sites for many years but as someone who believes in the monarchy I feel I must say that it is nonsense to suggest that Camilla does not want to be queen. Believe me, I speak from experience, she does. She sees it as her supreme victory over the late Princess of Wales as she was horrified that the girl she and Charles selected to be a docile child-bearer rebelled. I saw at first hand what they and their circle did to Diana, who was fragile anyway, and it was nothing short of wicked. A person like this must never debase the throne, it would never recover.

- anon, GB, 10/11/2011 23:35

Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2059701/Camilla-insists-DOESNT-want-Queen-memory-Diana-says-intends-Princess-Consort.html#ixzz1dLq0tUQf
 


Title: Re: I don't want to be Queen
Post by: Kuei Fei on November 11, 2011, 01:27:39 am
If Camilla does ascend, it will be as Quene Consort, not Princess Consort. Either way, Camilla set the precedent for Kate and I wonder if Kate is Charles' karma for him marrying Camilla.


Title: Re: I don't want to be Queen
Post by: Tatiana on November 11, 2011, 04:58:30 am
I think this comment says it all: 

I have resisted commenting on these sites for many years but as someone who believes in the monarchy I feel I must say that it is nonsense to suggest that Camilla does not want to be queen. Believe me, I speak from experience, she does. She sees it as her supreme victory over the late Princess of Wales as she was horrified that the girl she and Charles selected to be a docile child-bearer rebelled. I saw at first hand what they and their circle did to Diana, who was fragile anyway, and it was nothing short of wicked. A person like this must never debase the throne, it would never recover.

- anon, GB, 10/11/2011 23:35

Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2059701/Camilla-insists-DOESNT-want-Queen-memory-Diana-says-intends-Princess-Consort.html#ixzz1dLq0tUQf
 


      Stands up and applauds !!

            BravO    :goodpost:


Title: Re: I don't want to be Queen
Post by: berlin on November 11, 2011, 05:47:30 am
Another very interesting comment:

anon, GB, like you I too have seen things first hand. If only people knew how the courtiers completely controlled Charles' life back in the 1970s maybe people would have a little more sympathy for him. If they had backed away this situation would never have happened & he would have married another woman. And no, it wasn't Camilla. All I will say about her that she was not like Diana. She knew how it was expected for the wife to keep the stiff upper lip & she agreed to accept that. I often wonder how different it all would have been.

- anon, USA, 10/11/2011 18:23

Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2059701/Camilla-insists-DOESNT-want-Queen-memory-Diana-says-intends-Princess-Consort.html#ixzz1dNBUddPF

I wonder who the "other other woman" was?


Title: Re: I don't want to be Queen
Post by: Tatiana on November 11, 2011, 05:59:12 am

    Perhaps Janet Jenkins ?   no I believe his affair happened whilst he was married to Diana.

" I agree with the defenders of Diana. A young girl her age, when she married, married for love and accepted the duty that went with whom she chose to marry. She did not expect to find out on her honeymoon and before that her chosen was in love with and continuing a relationship with another woman. The more popular she became, the more jealous of her he became and in need of the person who made him feel so important so they could both belittle Diana together. He was an insensitive, self absorbed, emotionally abusive "husband" and a distant father, until she died. Their entire circle of friends knew about their relationship and were in social circle, further humiliating Diana. He should thank Diana for the foundation she gave her sons, who manage to accept him after all his failings. William will not allow ANYone to treat his wife in that way. Try it and he's out of there, faster than you can say "abdication".
- TJ, \"San Antonio, TX, 10/11/2011 14:31



http://princessdianabookboutique.wordpress.com/2009/08/10/prince-charles-love-letter-for-sale/


             Ah here is more about Janet and Prince Charles and her son Jason...



Title: Re: I don't want to be Queen
Post by: berlin on November 11, 2011, 06:44:39 am
Hmmm, I wonder who provides Charles comfort when Camilla hightails it to Raymill House?


Title: Re: I don't want to be Queen
Post by: Tatiana on November 11, 2011, 07:01:48 am

     Janet J said she slept with him for the last time in 1992.. he was still married to Diana then.. and they did the deed at Highgrove, she said.

          Charles has had a few GF's  Kanga, Janet, Camilla were but three of them.

               Was it Tiggy ? 


Title: Re: I don't want to be Queen
Post by: Lady Artemis on November 11, 2011, 08:05:08 am

Mooster GENIUS!!  :thumbsup:

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Memo to Camilla ---- I don't want you to be Queen either 

 8)


Title: Re: I don't want to be Queen
Post by: berlin on November 11, 2011, 05:51:34 pm

     Janet J said she slept with him for the last time in 1992.. he was still married to Diana then.. and they did the deed at Highgrove, she said.

          Charles has had a few GF's  Kanga, Janet, Camilla were but three of them.

               Was it Tiggy ? 

I don't think she was around back in the early 80's. 

I've heard that Elizabeth Buchanan, his former PA after Camilla had her fired, was a lover to Charles as well.


Title: Re: I don't want to be Queen
Post by: Tatiana on November 11, 2011, 07:49:40 pm



    Ah, I heard Janet was around the year before he married Diana, and then again in 1992, during the marriage.

          Elizabeth Buchanan is definately someone to consider.

    Most people believe the Long Love Myth of Charles and Camilla, but he did sleep with quite a few women during all those years when Camilla was his mistress.


Title: Re: I don't want to be Queen
Post by: berlin on November 11, 2011, 08:26:13 pm
Ah, I heard Janet was around the year before he married Diana, and then again in 1992, during the marriage.

I was referring to Tiggy not being around in the early 80s.

I just think Camilla was shrewd enough to be the last one standing.  Just like Kate.  There's no great love story there.


Title: Re: I don't want to be Queen
Post by: Kuei Fei on November 11, 2011, 08:29:23 pm
Then Camilla should not have bothered marrying Charles in the first place! Honestly, these women knew the life, chose to keep the guy, but for some reason, don't want the work involved!


Title: Re: I don't want to be Queen
Post by: sandy on November 12, 2011, 01:33:07 am
Charles was said to have been turned down by several women notably Amanda Knatchbull and Anna Wallace (who dumped him before he had a chance to propose). He was said to want to marry Davina SHeffield but her ex went to the papers and said that he and Davina lved together so she was out. I think it is telling that Charles didn't think Camilla "good enough" to have hs heirs but apparently "good enough" to sleep with back then. Charles also had other relationships so to me the "great thirty year love story" of C and C is a lot of hot air.

I think Charles thinks the public is gullible and tries to "sell" the mage of Camilla fighting for the "right" not to be Queen. Who does Charles think he's kiddng? If Camilla didn't want it she could have turned down his proposal and not gotten involved wth Charles in the first place.


Title: Re: I don't want to be Queen
Post by: Kuei Fei on November 12, 2011, 03:45:04 am
I don't know what to make of it anymore. She's (like Kate) been nothing but work for Charles and the courtiers and she certainly had no problems accepting money from Charles' personal bank account to groom herself quite a bit better, if Tina Brown's book is anything to go by.


Title: Re: I don't want to be Queen
Post by: berlin on November 12, 2011, 06:08:06 am
Charles should have never married her or named her publicly, which caused her to get a divorce from APB.  If he hadn't married her most people would have largely forgiven and forgotten.  Camilla is the face of the unfortunate events of his past.  But I guess there's no chance for divorce.  If he were to divorce her I'm sure we'd be hearing stories of how she manipulated him from the beginning.


Title: Re: I don't want to be Queen
Post by: Tatiana on November 12, 2011, 06:25:32 am
Charles was said to have been turned down by several women notably Amanda Knatchbull and Anna Wallace (who dumped him before he had a chance to propose). He was said to want to marry Davina SHeffield but her ex went to the papers and said that he and Davina lved together so she was out. I think it is telling that Charles didn't think Camilla "good enough" to have hs heirs but apparently "good enough" to sleep with back then. Charles also had other relationships so to me the "great thirty year love story" of C and C is a lot of hot air.

I think Charles thinks the public is gullible and tries to "sell" the mage of Camilla fighting for the "right" not to be Queen. Who does Charles think he's kiddng? If Camilla didn't want it she could have turned down his proposal and not gotten involved wth Charles in the first place.

    Those of us who were around back then know the real story .. but younger people have been fed this drivel, and a lot of them believe he had only eyes for Camz.


Title: Re: I don't want to be Queen
Post by: meememe on November 12, 2011, 07:24:05 am
I was around back then and still see this as the real love story - one stopped from being fulfilled in the early 70s - so he went looking for someone else who could mean as much to him as she did and failed - finally he is with the woman he should have married in the early 70s.


Title: Re: I don't want to be Queen
Post by: Kuei Fei on November 12, 2011, 02:58:28 pm
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If he hadn't married her most people would have largely forgiven and forgotten.

I think Charles mistook tolerance for acceptance; they could tolerate her as mistress since she wasn't really a major factor when it came to him coming to the throne legally and it's not like kings haven't had long term mistresses. The difference now is that with this marriage it has created all sorts of silliness, the main factor being that she is "Duchess of Cornwall," and will be "Princess Consort," instead of Queen Consort, which is just a bit of finagling with the phrases, not a legal fact. The problem now that they are married is that they have to work on her image and work on her reputation and work on so many other things that should not have to be worked on.


Title: Re: I don't want to be Queen
Post by: berlin on November 12, 2011, 06:56:52 pm
I was around back then and still see this as the real love story - one stopped from being fulfilled in the early 70s - so he went looking for someone else who could mean as much to him as she did and failed - finally he is with the woman he should have married in the early 70s.

No he didn't.  He looked for the one that Camilla thought was acceptable-a mouse who would tolerate Camilla's position as mistress. 


Title: Re: I don't want to be Queen
Post by: Tatiana on November 12, 2011, 08:13:18 pm


       Berlin,
                    eloquently stated!

                         Thank You


Title: Re: I don't want to be Queen
Post by: Kuei Fei on November 12, 2011, 09:46:08 pm
Times like this I understand and appreciate the ten commandments all the more. Mainly "Thou Shalt Not Commit Adultery." If he hadn't been porking Camilla, he would at this point be married and probably have a lot more kids and then possibly a solid marriage.


Title: Re: I don't want to be Queen
Post by: sandy on November 13, 2011, 02:41:33 am
Charles apparently saw Camilla as miistress material. He didn't seem to put up much of a fight for her when she was single and treated her lke a mistress sequestering her away for weekends at his great uncle's home--and his great uncle approvng of Camilla as "mistress material"  I don't see this as a great love story--Charles had other women including Kanga Tryon and Janet Jenkins. Camilla was and is a great manipulator and Charles got married to a woman she approved of for him, someone who would not interfere with Charles having Camilla in his lfe. Charles did not have to look for "another" Camilla since Camilla made sure she was always in Charles' life one way or another and enjoyed the perks of beiing a royal mistress.


Title: Re: I don't want to be Queen
Post by: Kuei Fei on November 13, 2011, 05:51:41 am
What a mess, what a total mess his life is in.


Title: Re: I don't want to be Queen
Post by: Tatiana on November 13, 2011, 09:18:07 pm


          His own father called him "precious and spoiled".

               Charles is a weak character, who needs others to lean on ... Fawcett, Soames and Camilla.

                    He is a first class whinger.

                         He showed such promise, so sad he turned out the way he did.


Title: Re: I don't want to be Queen
Post by: Mooster on November 14, 2011, 12:34:04 am
^ Tatiana, like father like son...that could almost be William you are describing there.


Title: Re: I don't want to be Queen
Post by: mousiekins on November 14, 2011, 01:20:17 am
There is one difference between them though,

Prince Charles works hard and is a dedicated POW, whatever his personal faults when it comes to work there is little fault.

Prince William on the other hand is a personal and professional mess who is lazy and is terrible representative


Title: Re: I don't want to be Queen
Post by: Mooster on November 14, 2011, 08:36:58 am
Agreed Mousie, for all his other faults and the cruel way he treated Diana, Charles is a worker and his compassion and interest in the plight of others seems genuine.  I love his jovial easy manner with people  :thumbsup:


Title: Re: I don't want to be Queen
Post by: Tatiana on November 14, 2011, 08:27:46 pm


      Someone who illtreats his young bride and mother of his children, should not get a "free pass" because he works hard.

             Sorry that does not sit well with me... charity and kindness begin at home. IMO


Title: Re: I don't want to be Queen
Post by: berlin on November 14, 2011, 08:51:53 pm
I have to admit, I do like Charles and don't mind him being King, but I do not want Camilla to be Queen.  Marrying her was his biggest mistake ever, and I wouldn't be surprised if he's ruing the day he did.  There were other mistresses out there who could have fulfilled his needs, while being more discreet and respectful of the monarchy. 


Title: Re: I don't want to be Queen
Post by: Kuei Fei on November 20, 2011, 12:46:11 am
I wonder, why do women marry these men and then not want the official side of the life that comes with it? I mean really, Camilla KNEW he is going ot be king one day.

As for Camilla; well, she should have kept her hands off of Charles. I don't know if Diana's problems would have been any different, but Camilla having an affair with Charles definately added a huge factor. Maybe Charles would have taken more steps to get Diana more intense treatment instead of retreating and letting the problem fester. Camilla could have walked away and worked on her own marriage, but she didn't and she will be Queen and should have the full responsibilities that go with it.


Title: Re: I don't want to be Queen
Post by: sandy on November 20, 2011, 02:23:14 am
Diana got the bulimia under control after she and Charles led separate live. The therapist blamed the stress of the marriage for the cause of  the bulimia. Oddly Charles didn't seem to have a clue about getting Diana treatment for eating disorders (he knew her sister had an eating disorder and knew about her treatments --which was wth the same person Diana later on consulted). Charles brought in Van Der Post of  all people to "help" Diana. Why they didn't call in the therapist that helped Sarah early on is rather puzzling.

I think Charles made a mistake marrying Camilla. I think it would have been advisable for hm to find someone else and drop Camilla for good. His mistake though was naming her as the other woman and he was more or less stuck wth her.

Charles may work hard but unfortunately  I don't think he worked hard on his first marriage. Ad he didn't have the decency to drop the married mistress.



Title: Re: I don't want to be Queen
Post by: Kuei Fei on November 20, 2011, 03:55:53 am
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I think Charles made a mistake marrying Camilla. I think it would have been advisable for hm to find someone else and drop Camilla for good. His mistake though was naming her as the other woman and he was more or less stuck wth her.

The problem with marrying mistresses, is that the man has to work all the time at getting the new wifey accepted than if he had just kept her as a mistress or at all dropped her and married a princess or someone aristocratic. If he hadn't remarried I think things would have been better for everyone and if she didn't like being snubbed at society gatherings, then she should  have stopped being a mistress.


Title: Re: I don't want to be Queen
Post by: MOSAIC on November 20, 2011, 09:14:14 am

If I recall those years correctly it was the same sort of press campaign as we've seen with W/K - the DM, Hello and a few others.  They never let up, on morning chat shows et al.  Ingrid Seward, Judy Wade and a few others have a lot to answer for.
Of course Inland Revenue was about to investigate his tax matters regarding her.  So he proposed.  Charles the great romantic NOT.


Title: Re: I don't want to be Queen
Post by: Tatiana on November 20, 2011, 08:12:23 pm


              Many don't know or have forgotten that Charles suddenly announced his wedding to Camilla, when Inland Revenue were beginning to ask question regarding taxes, the Duchy and Mrs Parker Bowles.

                Not really romantic is it ?


Title: 'Am I going to be queen? You never know': The Duchess of Cornwall
Post by: serene grace on January 23, 2013, 11:45:29 pm
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'Am I going to be queen? You never know': The Duchess of Cornwall

Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/femail/article-2267037/Am-I-going-queen-You-know-The-Duchess-Cornwall-shows-mischievous-chats-primary-school-children-London.html#ixzz2IqTGNbX3

You can always rely on children to ask the questions that even Jeremy Paxman would fear to utter.
 
The Duchess of Cornwall's bananaskin yesterday came courtesy of a six year old primary school pupil who asked her innocently: 'Are you going to be Queen?'
 
The textbook answer, as far as Clarence House is concerned, would have been 'No, Princess Consort' - which is what they have always insisted she will be called when Prince Charles accedes to the throne.

Instead Camilla laughed and replied mischievously: 'You never know.'
 
Her response is likely to add to fuel to the fire of constitutional debate over the Duchess's future role.
 
The prince's advisors plumped for the title on her somewhat controversial marriage to the Prince of Wales in order to placate public sensibilities.
 
Academics insist, however, that she will legally be Queen whatever Charles chooses to call her.



http://www.dailymail.co.uk/femail/article-2267037/Am-I-going-queen-You-know-The-Duchess-Cornwall-shows-mischievous-chats-primary-school-children-London.html


Title: Re: 'Am I going to be queen? You never know': The Duchess of Cornwall
Post by: RoyalWatcher on January 23, 2013, 11:49:14 pm
Of course, she will be Queen.  What else do you call the wife of the King?

The rest, imo, is smoke and mirrors.  Always has been, always will be.



Title: Re: 'Am I going to be queen? You never know': The Duchess of Cornwall
Post by: Snokitty on January 23, 2013, 11:50:44 pm
Of course she will have the title of Queen but to me she will always be Camilla or "The Old Nag" depending on my mood.   :tehe:


Title: Re: 'Am I going to be queen? You never know': The Duchess of Cornwall
Post by: serene grace on January 23, 2013, 11:53:02 pm
Yes. I never understood it when much of the press insisted she would not be Queen, when and if Charles becomes King?
Of course she will be Queen, even if she's called Princess.

I think Diana and the Queen Mother will both spin, that day.  :sob:


Title: Re: 'Am I going to be queen? You never know': The Duchess of Cornwall
Post by: Alexandrine on January 24, 2013, 12:11:08 am
What about Queen Mary who wouldn't even accept divorce woman at court? Or Queen Alexandra as Camilla descends from one of her husband's mistress?

However, Charles' coronation is going to be such a mess. I cannot imagine that display of opulence in these times and then all the Diana  story will come back to hunt him. Plus coronating (?) Camilla whatever her name will be is going to be huge.


Title: Re: Will Camilla be Queen?
Post by: royalfanPKLS on January 24, 2013, 12:32:17 am
She may get the title of Queen but she'll have no real power. She'll be a consort at best and a dowger queen once Charles dies and William takes over. Assuming she's still alive at that time. I wonder if Camilla's genes are prone to a long life just like Charles'? ???


Title: Re: Will Camilla be Queen?
Post by: serene grace on January 24, 2013, 01:23:28 am
I was watching a New Years cable show on some obscure public access channel and they had a lot of psychic predictions. One of the psychic's predicted that Charles would become King as a widower. Camilla will no longer be around when he becomes King, the psychic said.  

 :-


Title: Re: Prince Charles confirmed Queen Camilla possiblity
Post by: Kuei Fei on January 24, 2013, 04:18:56 am
I know dead sure that if Camilla is indeed crowned, it'll cost Charles the support of the courtiers. No matter how devoted, the courtiers have put up with enough extra work trying to sell Camilla and serve her and put up with her, but this would be too much. However loyal, the courtiers are not devoted to the people, but the title and I think that if Camilla is crowned, it'll end up making him look worse because he did promise after all that Camilla would not be Queen, but Princess Consort.

David Cameron hints that he would support Duchess of Cornwall as queen
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Asked whether he was "up for Queen Camilla", Mr Cameron said it was "too early for decisions" but acknowledged that it was a subject that would be discussed at some point.

He said: "I'm a big Camilla fan."

"I think the country is getting to know her and getting to see that she is a very warm-hearted person with a big sense of humour and a big heart.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/royal-wedding/8149669/David-Cameron-hints-that-he-would-support-Duchess-of-Cornwall-as-queen.html

Cameron just can't do enough for the RF can he? Why not get down and kiss her well ridden arse?


Title: Re: Will Camilla be Queen?
Post by: serene grace on January 24, 2013, 04:57:01 am
Can they have a "private' coronation for Camilla's portion where the public doesn't have to be subjected to seeing her become Queen C?

It may end up like Ann Boleyn where people were said to be throwing things and shouting obsenities at her.


Title: Re: Will Camilla be Queen?
Post by: CathyJane on January 24, 2013, 11:16:50 pm
Can they have a "private' coronation for Camilla's portion where the public doesn't have to be subjected to seeing her become Queen C?

It may end up like Ann Boleyn where people were said to be throwing things and shouting obsenities at her.

I could see that when or if W&W take the throne too.


Title: Re: Will Camilla be Queen?
Post by: Jane23 on January 25, 2013, 08:34:29 am
Some (few in numbers)very loud Di fans don't seem to realize this is 2013 the World has moved on and they don't care nothing will be thrown at anyone  :bored:.


Title: Re: Will Camilla be Queen?
Post by: rosielinks on January 25, 2013, 08:48:51 am
There will always be people who dislike Camilla for being the other woman and marrying PC, but the younger generation is more used to divorce, break-ups, step-mothers and half siblings.  Moral fibre in the UK not what is was. There is little shame nowadays for appalling personal behaviour.

Large swathes of the UK are not interested in the BRF - as Jane23 rightly points out. They are too busy trying to scrape a living.


Title: Re: Will Camilla be Queen?
Post by: Alexandrine on January 25, 2013, 11:48:38 am
Who is talking about Diana? Charles is really unpopular as nearly all poll says, we haven't invented that people want to pass Charles over and get William as king. Nowadays Charles has the problem that he is seen as a meddling person in politics which is not appreciated.

I still think they will get things thrown to them because of the coronation, can anyone imagine in this century the typical coronation? All the aristo with the coronets and big jewels? And after a state funeral that will cost a lot of money due to security paying again for this kind of ceremony... I don't see it.


Title: Re: Will Camilla be Queen?
Post by: sandy on January 25, 2013, 02:13:53 pm
Charles would want the pomp and expense of the Coronation IMO , he feels himself the center of the Universe IMO and would want to glory in his role as King. Despite his talking about scaling down the monarchy I think he feels that other members of the family should "scale down" but the same should not apply to him.


Title: Re: Will Camilla be Queen?
Post by: True Brit on January 25, 2013, 02:21:32 pm
^ if Charles could revert to the Divine Right of Kings I believe he would... and ^^ Alexandrine I totally agree - particularly if there's a deal to avoid death duty on HM's estate like the one they agreed for the QM.


Title: Re: Will Camilla be Queen?
Post by: Snokitty on January 25, 2013, 02:34:29 pm
@Alexandrine & sandy

 :goodpost:   :thumbsup:

I wish some could realize that what happened with Diana is not the only reason that people do not care for Charles.


Title: Re: Will Camilla be Queen?
Post by: Jane23 on January 25, 2013, 03:52:13 pm
I think the Coronation will be tuned down Chuck seems very sensible to the times we live in he isn't stupid!!!


Title: Re: Will Camilla be Queen?
Post by: sandy on January 25, 2013, 04:43:48 pm
It won't be known until it actually happens. Charles has plans for it which I doubt will be on a "small scale." He's waited too long for this and he's going to make it "special." IMO anyway. Charles idea is making things less lavish is keeping his brothers and sister out of things and having fewer perks.  He showed what he wanted on the Jubilee balcony--it will be lavish but for him and his immediate family.


Title: Re: Will Camilla be Queen?
Post by: Snokitty on January 25, 2013, 06:21:25 pm
I think the Coronation will be tuned down Chuck seems very sensible to the times we live in he isn't stupid!!!

I think that would depend on who one is speaking to because sensible is not a word that I would ever associate with Charles.


Title: Re: Will Camilla be Queen?
Post by: Spice on January 27, 2013, 12:26:13 am
@Alexandrine & sandy

 :goodpost:   :thumbsup:

I wish some could realize that what happened with Diana is not the only reason that people do not care for Charles.

 :goodpost:

Even if he had been a model husband to Diana, I would still criticise Charles for his attitudes and behaviours in every other area of his life.  Especially when it comes to public money, and interference in politics.


Title: Re: Will Camilla be Queen?
Post by: AnaBolena on January 27, 2013, 06:28:56 pm
I have a strange feeling Charles may die before HM.  :sob:


Title: Re: Will Camilla be Queen?
Post by: Spice on January 27, 2013, 09:17:25 pm
It wouldn't be the first time the heir apparent has died before the monarch.  His health isn't that great, despite all his naturopathy, homeopathy and foot reflexology.  Or he might be assassinated (which I would find a dreadful thing - I dislike the guy but I wouldn't wish that on anyone).

IF he predeceases the Queen then it solves the dilemma of Camilla's titles.  But she would still have as much power within the family as she has now.  Possibly more.

For all their history with each other, the Queen would be heartbroken to lose a child.  I hope it doesn't happen.  Let's go for a peaceful passing of the Queen in her sleep some time in her 90s, and a short reign from Charles before the public votes for a republic in a referendum.  I can dream ;-)


Title: Re: Will Camilla be Queen?
Post by: Kuei Fei on January 28, 2013, 12:39:55 am
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is health isn't that great, despite all his naturopathy, homeopathy and foot reflexology

Maybe that is the source of some of his problems. I believe that messing with your body too much can end up causing more problems than if you left well enough alone.


Title: Re: Will Camilla be Queen?
Post by: CathyJane on January 28, 2013, 02:26:08 am
It wouldn't be the first time the heir apparent has died before the monarch.  His health isn't that great, despite all his naturopathy, homeopathy and foot reflexology.  Or he might be assassinated (which I would find a dreadful thing - I dislike the guy but I wouldn't wish that on anyone).

IF he predeceases the Queen then it solves the dilemma of Camilla's titles.  But she would still have as much power within the family as she has now.  Possibly more.

For all their history with each other, the Queen would be heartbroken to lose a child.  I hope it doesn't happen.  Let's go for a peaceful passing of the Queen in her sleep some time in her 90s, and a short reign from Charles before the public votes for a republic in a referendum.  I can dream ;-)

Why would Cammie have the same amount or more power if Chucky dies before HM? I'm confused. Thanks!!


Title: Re: Will Camilla be Queen?
Post by: Alexandrine on January 28, 2013, 05:01:01 pm
I don't agree with that. Camilla is there because Charles wants to. I doubt she has much connection to the Queen or to William. She would still have her own court and lots of money but not real power imo.


Title: Re: Will Camilla be Queen?
Post by: Spice on January 29, 2013, 12:36:08 am
My logic went something like this:  As a starting point, I believe Camilla has a lot of power in the family, purely because she is Charles' wife.  Her visibility and status has been gradually increasing since 2005.  She rode in the carriage with HM for the Jubilee church service, she seems to have been in control of the Cambridge wedding guest list, she has the largest royal heirloom jewel collection outside of HM etc.

It occurred to me that if Charles dies before HM, Camilla doesn't get an upgrade in titles.  Then I pondered on whether she would still have the same power she has now, and I thought of how the Queen Mother's power levels were maintained after 1952 and in some ways, they increased.  I think Camilla would be just like QEQM, the power behind the throne, manipulating under the guise of seniority, age and experience. 

Dowagers seldom go quietly, think Downton Abbey.  They don't have enough to do, and they are terrified of being sidelined.  There's a reason why HM has smiled more in the last 10 years than she did in all the years before.   Sure, HM loved her mother, but she was also dominated by her, and I don't think she really knew it was happening.

Camilla will be an unorthodox sort of dowager, being only the stepmother, but IMO she is already fulfilling the role to a certain extent.  Charles is the boss, for sure, but he allows her quite a large sphere of control in their household, particularly around the more domestic/social type areas as aristocratic wives traditionally did.  She was filling this role even in the 1980s.

Her carefully massaged PR profile is probably quite different to what goes on behind closed doors when the family are together.   If HM goes before Charles, then Camilla will have total power in the family.  But she's a clever woman, I'm sure she's established a situation where she will not be sidelined if Charles goes before HM.  She will have found a way to keep running things behind the scenes.  William is probably well aware that Camilla "knows where the bodies are buried".


Title: Re: Will Camilla be Queen?
Post by: Snokitty on January 29, 2013, 01:55:25 am
I think if Charles went before the Queen then Camilla would be sidelined to Raymill. If we heard from her again it would be some charity. Camilla is just like Kate only older and Charles has forced her to work a little more.


Title: Re: Will Camilla be Queen?
Post by: Kuei Fei on January 29, 2013, 02:39:00 am
I believe Camilla would be sidelined as well; for all that she has, she has it because she is married to Charles and is not the mother, only a stepmother by marriage. She is a mistress who made good, nothing more. She might have all the influence and jewels, but so did a lot of mistresses in the past and they often lost it all after their lovers died or grew tired of them. I don't believe that Camilla would get crowned, she will have the influence, but her official legal status is still lower and she will be treated accordingly.

Camilla has only Charles to protect her, no one else. HM probably never supported the marriage and wouldn't have minded if she remained mistress and when William becomes King, she had better watch out because for all we know William might be secretly plotting all sorts of nasty treatment.


Title: Re: Will Camilla be Queen?
Post by: Spice on January 29, 2013, 08:04:52 am
I think if Charles went before the Queen then Camilla would be sidelined to Raymill. If we heard from her again it would be some charity. Camilla is just like Kate only older and Charles has forced her to work a little more.

Good points.  Food for thought.

I think she is way more intelligent than Kate though.  Both lazy and grasping, but Camilla is craftier.  Kate would be nothing without Carole too.


Title: Re: Will Camilla be Queen?
Post by: serene grace on January 29, 2013, 08:35:24 am
True. 


Title: Re: Will Camilla be Queen?
Post by: sandy on January 29, 2013, 02:44:43 pm
I think if Charles went before the Queen then Camilla would be sidelined to Raymill. If we heard from her again it would be some charity. Camilla is just like Kate only older and Charles has forced her to work a little more.

Good points.  Food for thought.

I think she is way more intelligent than Kate though.  Both lazy and grasping, but Camilla is craftier.  Kate would be nothing without Carole too.

I would not say Camilla is more intelligent--intelligent is not a word I would apply to either Kate or Camilla. I think she's manipulative and scheming and knows how to maneuver the Prince. Kate I think is scheming but to a lesser extent--Camilla ruthlessly broke up another woman's marriage to get where she is today, kate did not have to. I think had William married elsewhere, Carole would have had her daughter moving on and looking to marry a very wealthy aristo to advance the family.


Title: Re: Will Camilla be Queen?
Post by: Snokitty on January 29, 2013, 03:56:18 pm
Kate schemed and manipulated to get where she is but achieved her goal at a younger age and so there were no other marriages to interfere in.


Title: Re: Will Camilla be Queen?
Post by: sandy on January 29, 2013, 04:07:59 pm
Kate was also less subtle. She went out and had photographers take her pics clubbing so Will could see what he was missing during breakup. She wore the see through dress at the Fashion show, etc. Camilla just slithered around behind the scenes and went to the press with her side and undermined Diana.


Title: Re: Will Camilla be Queen?
Post by: CathyJane on January 29, 2013, 08:50:06 pm
My logic went something like this:  As a starting point, I believe Camilla has a lot of power in the family, purely because she is Charles' wife.  Her visibility and status has been gradually increasing since 2005.  She rode in the carriage with HM for the Jubilee church service, she seems to have been in control of the Cambridge wedding guest list, she has the largest royal heirloom jewel collection outside of HM etc.

It occurred to me that if Charles dies before HM, Camilla doesn't get an upgrade in titles.  Then I pondered on whether she would still have the same power she has now, and I thought of how the Queen Mother's power levels were maintained after 1952 and in some ways, they increased.  I think Camilla would be just like QEQM, the power behind the throne, manipulating under the guise of seniority, age and experience.  

Dowagers seldom go quietly, think Downton Abbey.  They don't have enough to do, and they are terrified of being sidelined.  There's a reason why HM has smiled more in the last 10 years than she did in all the years before.   Sure, HM loved her mother, but she was also dominated by her, and I don't think she really knew it was happening.

Camilla will be an unorthodox sort of dowager, being only the stepmother, but IMO she is already fulfilling the role to a certain extent.  Charles is the boss, for sure, but he allows her quite a large sphere of control in their household, particularly around the more domestic/social type areas as aristocratic wives traditionally did.  She was filling this role even in the 1980s.

Her carefully massaged PR profile is probably quite different to what goes on behind closed doors when the family are together.   If HM goes before Charles, then Camilla will have total power in the family.  But she's a clever woman, I'm sure she's established a situation where she will not be sidelined if Charles goes before HM.  She will have found a way to keep running things behind the scenes.  William is probably well aware that Camilla "knows where the bodies are buried".

Thanks for the explaination; it makes alot of sense. Especially the part about where the bodies are.  :-


Title: Re: Will Camilla be Queen?
Post by: Jane23 on January 29, 2013, 09:14:07 pm
To me this is so pointless if she isn't called Queen she will still be Queen Consort and do all the things a Queen Consort does it would  be just like now that she is Princess of Wales but she isn't called Princess of Wales ...so I don't see the point of this great debate about how she will be called a rose is a rose whatever it's called  :dontknow:.


Title: Re: Will Camilla be Queen?
Post by: Snokitty on January 29, 2013, 09:30:52 pm
There are many in GB who will refuse to ever call Camilla Queen anything so I think they will stick with Princess Mistress.   :laugh:


Title: Re: Will Camilla be Queen?
Post by: Spice on January 30, 2013, 10:37:49 am
I think this issue might end up being the focal point of Charles' reign, at least in the beginning, because there are so many people who will never accept her as Queen, and another bunch of people who already feel lied to because he said one thing in 2005 and another in c.2011.  I know she is Princess and will be Queen if he is King... but she will never win my respect.  Same goes for Waity... the thought of her actually sitting on the Queen Consort's throne... it makes me utterly sick.


Title: Re: Will Camilla be Queen?
Post by: Freya on January 30, 2013, 10:46:49 am
I have to disagree and think that Camilla will be sidelined should anything happen to Charles before her. She is an astute woman and is aware of that so that is partly why she still keeps Raymill House. If Charles does die first then she will fade into obscurity.


Title: Re: Will Camilla be Queen?
Post by: sandy on January 30, 2013, 02:46:13 pm
Camilla is essentially lazy. She probably will just live off the money and bling  Charles leaves her--I think she craves attention and is nervy so I doubt she will totally  disappear. She appears to love watching where the cameras are. I don't think she'll go quietly. I think had she been "astute" she would not have even thought of going to the Diana Memorial Service where she decidedly did not belong. She was ready to walk in but had to be stopped a few days before by very negative public opinion.  I think she'd have to be dragged from the limelight kicking and screaming--she would have to be forced. She may even demand staying at Clarence House and see to it that Sugar Daddy Charles lets her stay there if he predeceases her.


Title: Re: Will Camilla be Queen?
Post by: Kuei Fei on January 30, 2013, 07:58:48 pm
There are many in GB who will refuse to ever call Camilla Queen anything so I think they will stick with Princess Mistress.

Or Princesse la Mattress, in my view that is an elegant way of pointing out her status and her position in Charles' life.

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I doubt she will totally  disappear. She appears to love watching where the cameras are. I don't think she'll go quietly.

I think she might want to be public after Charles' passing, but I believe that William has a little unfinished business and he (William) is chomping at the bit to end up pushing Camilla around, any excuse to push her around and if Camilla balks at retiring from public, William might use it as an excuse to go nuts on her.


Title: Re: Will Camilla be Queen?
Post by: Freya on January 31, 2013, 12:11:39 am

I think she might want to be public after Charles' passing, but I believe that William has a little unfinished business and he (William) is chomping at the bit to end up pushing Camilla around, any excuse to push her around and if Camilla balks at retiring from public, William might use it as an excuse to go nuts on her.


Agree that William and Harry have unfinished business and the gloves may come off if Charles dies first.
I don't think Camilla will go quite as unceremoniously as Raine Spencer but I bet it won't be far off.


Title: Re: Will Camilla be Queen?
Post by: CathyJane on January 31, 2013, 01:33:45 am
As vindictive as Willy apparently is, I can easily see him exacting some sort of revenge on Cammie if Chuck dies first. And I agree, I don't see her going quietly.


Title: Re: Will Camilla be Queen?
Post by: Kuei Fei on January 31, 2013, 01:54:03 am
Harry and William both have spitfire tempers and I bet they have spent days and nights fantasizing about how to treat Camilla once Charles is gone. I bet there are several courtiers who loathe Camilla as well along with many other prominent families. Given the chance, wouldn't you have a go at her?

I think she might want to be public after Charles' passing, but I believe that William has a little unfinished business and he (William) is chomping at the bit to end up pushing Camilla around, any excuse to push her around and if Camilla balks at retiring from public, William might use it as an excuse to go nuts on her.
Agree that William and Harry have unfinished business and the gloves may come off if Charles dies first.
I don't think Camilla will go quite as unceremoniously as Raine Spencer but I bet it won't be far off.

Camilla might not go unceremoniously, but in the past the sons of Kings have been very, very nasty towards the former mistresses. Camilla is in their minds (possibly) still a mistress and not at all a legitimate power or Consort. The public will be supportive of tossing her off. As for Raine, Charles (Spencer) and Diana wouldn't let her stay for six months and threw out her clothes into garbage bags and kicked them down the stairs and ordered her to surrender the Louis Vuitton suitcases.


Title: Re: Will Camilla be Queen?
Post by: Snokitty on January 31, 2013, 02:02:17 am
I think as the years have passed any animosity towards Camilla by William or Harry has passed. I don't see them treating her badly after Charles is gone.

If the royals can tolerate W&K's antics they can tolerate Camilla.

They are friends with her children so it is just like any other family where two families have joined to become one except her children are excluded from royal affairs.


Title: Re: Will Camilla be Queen?
Post by: Kuei Fei on January 31, 2013, 02:04:42 am
She should just keep her pig paws off of the title of Queen and stop while she is ahead. She should be held to that promise and she had better end up being grateful. It was a condition of the public accepting this and letting her get that ring and obscenely large tiara she has on her fluffy head. If she ends up going after the Queen title she will end up pushing the Brits over a brink. There might not be riots or massive protests, but there can be a lot of underlying silent hostility.


Title: Re: Will Camilla be Queen?
Post by: Freya on January 31, 2013, 02:11:09 am
^^
I agree with a lot of your comments Snokitty but I don't on this one. I think that there is a lot of suppressed resentment towards Camilla by William and Harry and I can't see them wanting much truck with her if Charles dies first.
If she has any sense she will retire to Raymill house and live out her life away from the limelight.

It makes me wonder if William is letting Carole become more involved with the new child so there is less chance of Camilla becoming too involved. William is quite a complex person so quite difficult to understand his motives. I do think however that if a woman had caused my mother so much pain I would never warm to them.


Title: Re: Will Camilla be Queen?
Post by: Snokitty on January 31, 2013, 02:18:57 am
I would think that William & Harry would blame their Father more. I have read statements from some who they have told that their Dad was unkind to their Mum but not any where they said it was Camilla's fault. I think William stays away because he and Charles are not close.

They also grew up with Camilla and her children being part of their lives. I just don't see much animosity and hatred there for Camilla from William or Harry.


Title: Re: Will Camilla be Queen?
Post by: Freya on January 31, 2013, 02:39:26 am
^

You may be right but William is a complex person and I don't think I could second guess him on this one. Time will tell.


Title: Re: Will Camilla be Queen?
Post by: Spice on January 31, 2013, 08:47:38 am
I think both William and Harry, but especially William, were not necessarily as pro-mother, anti-mistress as Diana's PR wanted us to believe.  Diana wasn't perfect.  I respect her more than I respect most of the BRF, but I think the boys had, and have, about equal love and respect for both of their parents.  They've known Camilla and her kids for their whole lives.  They know, deep down, that their eccentric, conceited, angry old Dad is probably more settled when Camilla is around.  Maybe they think, neither parent could make the other happy, but at least each parent found some happiness with other partners.  That would be the mature approach to take.

They seem to love their Dad, for all his faults.  Maybe hurting Camilla after he's gone is not their thing.  I don't think it's Harry's things, anyway.

Maybe they heard about what Diana and her brother did to Raine, and they want to do things differently.  I know in my own family, my generation is trying not to mess things up like the one before did.  Diana ended up fast friends with Raine, which is quite telling.  Maybe Diana made a point of teaching the boys to treat step-parents with a bit more care than she did.  We just don't know.  It's one thing for Diana to bail Camilla up at a party and accost her about the affair... or to look ravishing in a little black dress just to show the world you can lift your head up high... it's quite another to suggest she would brainwash her kids to be cruel to Camilla in years to come.  How do we know she didn't try to teach them to behave well in spite of someone hurting you.


Title: Re: Will Camilla be Queen?
Post by: Snokitty on January 31, 2013, 02:47:29 pm
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Title: Re: Will Camilla be Queen?
Post by: sandy on January 31, 2013, 02:54:39 pm
I think both William and Harry, but especially William, were not necessarily as pro-mother, anti-mistress as Diana's PR wanted us to believe.  Diana wasn't perfect.  I respect her more than I respect most of the BRF, but I think the boys had, and have, about equal love and respect for both of their parents.  They've known Camilla and her kids for their whole lives.  They know, deep down, that their eccentric, conceited, angry old Dad is probably more settled when Camilla is around.  Maybe they think, neither parent could make the other happy, but at least each parent found some happiness with other partners.  That would be the mature approach to take.

They seem to love their Dad, for all his faults.  Maybe hurting Camilla after he's gone is not their thing.  I don't think it's Harry's things, anyway.

Maybe they heard about what Diana and her brother did to Raine, and they want to do things differently.  I know in my own family, my generation is trying not to mess things up like the one before did.  Diana ended up fast friends with Raine, which is quite telling.  Maybe Diana made a point of teaching the boys to treat step-parents with a bit more care than she did.  We just don't know.  It's one thing for Diana to bail Camilla up at a party and accost her about the affair... or to look ravishing in a little black dress just to show the world you can lift your head up high... it's quite another to suggest she would brainwash her kids to be cruel to Camilla in years to come.  How do we know she didn't try to teach them to behave well in spite of someone hurting you.


I never read that William and Harry associated with the Parker Bowles kids until after Diana died and Charles was trying to "blend" the families. It was only ca. the late 1990s that at least William associated with them and it backfired since at the time Tom was experimenting with drugs and Charles put a stop to their socializing. I don't think the Wales boys are all that close with Tom and Laura, certainly cordial but I don't think it's the Brady Bunch.

The fact that the boys accepted Camilla for their father's sake is also IMO a testament to their late mother. Apparently she was not the wicked witch of the west who instilled in her sons intense dislike. Burrell wrote that Harry was not told of Camilla--only William was.  If Diana had been the mother from hell and tried to "brainwash" the boys I think they would not have so quickly for their dad's sake tolerated and accepted the dad's mistress then wife.

I think that the Windsors did try to instill a bad view of Diana in the boys heads. Countess Mountbatten on TV called their mother "damaged" and Charles friends truly badmouthed Diana. I think that Charles is culpable of condoning the trashing to get Camilla accepted. He is no innocent here.

I think that the boys love their father and for that reason became cordial to Camilla. I don't think they have forgotten the role Camilla played in their parents breakup and the hurt she caused their mother.

It should be noted that Diana made up with Raine after Earl Spencer died. So perhaps the boys took note of that too regarding their future stepmum.

I don't think it a huge lovefest with Camilla--they were grown ups when their father married her.


Title: Re: Will Camilla be Queen?
Post by: sandy on January 31, 2013, 03:20:10 pm
I don't also think Charles is that "settled" with Camilla. I think since he named her publicly back in 1994, he was pretty much stuck with her. She has a retreat at Raymill and judging from some of the press Charles is still gnashing his teeth over past hurts and grievances like his schooling and complaining about the school system and whingeing that he does not have the time to do all his deeds before he dies. He seems like an eccentric old man now. I think he is a man who can never be totally happy. Camilla is living off the fat of the land and knows hubby can't divorce her.

I think the brainwashing by the Windsors started after the boys joined their father in Balmoral in 1997. From the photos (unless the boys were great actors) William and Harry enjoyed the vacation with their mother and William wrote a thank you note. The vacations were planned well in advance, one with Charles and the other with Diana. They spent the allotted time with Diana and then went to Balmoral Then after Diana died history was rewritten. The boys were "miserable" and "cut their vacation" on the Fayed yacht short which is totally false. This is belied by William actually inviting one of the Fayed children, Camilla, to Diana's Memorial events. Maybe there is some resentment particularly by William of his being used to promote Camilla and after years of playing "good son" he's rebelling. I think William is an opportunist and uses what happened with his parents to his own advantage--he plays the Diana card I think to try to justify his laziness and that he's being "normal" when he hides out from royal duties.

I do hope that Camilla does not play "grandma" to Diana's grandchild and I hope William and Kate talk to the child about his or her real grandmother who is not their father's second wife.


Title: Re: Will Camilla be Queen?
Post by: Snokitty on January 31, 2013, 03:22:49 pm
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I think that the Windsors did try to instill a bad view of Diana in the boys heads.

The way the Windsors acted on the day of her death showed that they tried to convince those boys that she was unimportant.

People say the Queen was concerned for her Grandsons and was trying to help them get through the death but that was not the case.

When her Mother died we didn't hear about her going on a hunting party or doing pleasurable things to make herself feel better.

The human mind does not work like that it needs to go through a grieving process so it can accept it and move forward. William seems to have not moved forward after all these years and it is because he was never allowed to grieve properly.


Title: Re: Will Camilla be Queen?
Post by: CathyJane on January 31, 2013, 09:56:31 pm
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I think that the Windsors did try to instill a bad view of Diana in the boys heads.

The way the Windsors acted on the day of her death showed that they tried to convince those boys that she was unimportant.

People say the Queen was concerned for her Grandsons and was trying to help them get through the death but that was not the case.

When her Mother died we didn't hear about her going on a hunting party or doing pleasurable things to make herself feel better.

The human mind does not work like that it needs to go through a grieving process so it can accept it and move forward. William seems to have not moved forward after all these years and it is because he was never allowed to grieve properly.

Agreed. The royals don't seem to have a grieving process for anybody.  :dontknow:


Title: Re: Will Camilla be Queen?
Post by: Alexandrine on February 02, 2013, 04:45:52 pm
When the Duchess of Cornwall was asked by a London schoolchild last month if she would be the queen, she replied: “You never know.“
However, one of her friends tells Tatler: “It is absolute lunacy to to say that Camilla wants to be queen. Take it from me, Camilla is the type of person who likes to stay in her nightie for as long as possible in the morning, if not the day.”

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/theroyalfamily/9840691/Why-Camillas-nightie-rules-out-queenly-ambitions.html


Title: Re: Will Camilla be Queen?
Post by: CathyJane on February 03, 2013, 02:05:08 am
If this were true, she could have turned Chucky down when he finally proposed. I think she wants everything she can get and that includes being queen.


Title: Re: Will Camilla be Queen?
Post by: Freya on February 03, 2013, 02:24:04 am
^
She is the most high maintenance of all the royal women. Of course she wants to be Queen.


Title: Re: Will Camilla be Queen?
Post by: Snokitty on February 14, 2013, 02:06:36 am
http://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/bill-coles/queen-camilla-parker-bowles_b_2667668.html?ncid=edlinkusaolp00000003
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A decade ago, it would have seemed unthinkable, but after one of the most outstanding rehabilitation exercises that has ever been orchestrated, Camilla the Duchess of Cornwall is bang on course to become Queen Camilla.

When Prince Charles and Camilla got engaged in 2005, it was inconceivable that she would ever been taken on the title of 'Queen'.

Instead, Charles peddled the line that she would be his 'Princess Consort'. But let us be candid: this was only ever a sop to the British public.

If, ten years ago, people had thought that Camilla was going to be the Queen, there would have been rioting in the streets. If the matter had come up in 1997, after the Princess Diana, the public outrage would have been so visceral that today we probably wouldn't even have a monarchy.

But now that Camilla's public rehabilitation is all but complete, we might as well cut the cackle: when the Queen dies, there will be no abdication, there will be no Prince William leap-frogging onto the throne, and Prince Charles will become Charles III.

Further to that: Charles's wife is going to be right by his side - and she will not be his 'Princess Consort', she will be his equal. She will be The Queen.


Title: Re: Will Camilla be Queen?
Post by: sandy on February 15, 2013, 03:01:29 pm
I'm not surprised--Charles PR often claims something and then does the opposite. He also said publilcy he'd never marry again.


Title: Re: Will Camilla be Queen?
Post by: Snork Maiden on February 15, 2013, 03:45:40 pm
I don't mind Camilla these days. As long as she's not rammed down our throats in some aggressive PR offensive, she seems alright.

I don't think I could stomach her becoming Queen though. That will always be a step too far. Given the history, she needs always to be seen as a supportive figure who is there as Charles's "plus 1" and not for any self aggrandising reason or title above and beyond what she has now.


Title: Re: Will Camilla be Queen?
Post by: sandy on February 15, 2013, 04:40:34 pm
There will be a PR offensive IMO, Charles does this all the time. I don't like seeing the woman as she goes about her business today, it would be gross to have her as Queen Consort considering how she got there.


Title: Re: Charles & Camilla: News and Photos II
Post by: india on November 04, 2014, 02:35:53 pm
Camilla is a far superior candidate for queen consort than that incompetent lazy twit Waity The Stalker.


Title: Re: Charles & Camilla: News and Photos II
Post by: Miss Hathaway on November 04, 2014, 03:22:23 pm
^ Well, how are Camilla and Kate different, really?   Camilla never held down a job and according to her family and friends, she couldn't be bothered to clean her house or even her personal hygiene was suspect. And, of course, Camilla has always been a part of Charles' life, even feeding stories for ten years to a tabloid about Charles and Diana's marriage.    They seem to be two peas in a pod, in my opinion!     


Title: Re: Charles & Camilla: News and Photos II
Post by: sandy on November 04, 2014, 03:23:39 pm
Charles probably would have married someone else or could have if he had not named Camilla as his mistress. Her husband divorced her and Charles became or more less obligated. He created the Great Love spin.

Charles got childishly jealous of Diana which was another factor in the marriage being doomed.

Kate is one up on Camila in that she did not break up any marriage to become a royal consort. Otherwise, she's plain lazy and it is sad that two elderly women Camila and the Queen work harder than Kate who has had many months of not being pregnant yet still managed to get out of work.

Camilla is a far superior candidate for queen consort than that incompetent lazy twit Waity The Stalker.

I would  not call her far superior because of the baggage she has and her usurping a popular Princess of Wales. But it is pathetic that Kate who is pushing 33 years old is so darn lazy. Wrinkled old looking Camilla outdoes her in the work dept.


Title: Re: Charles & Camilla: News and Photos II
Post by: Miss Hathaway on November 04, 2014, 04:40:58 pm
^ Kate has out done Camilla in the work dept. because Camilla did not do anything until her early 50s when she became involved with an osteoporosis group.  Kate has (grudgingly) been to engagements in her 30s.   She has Camilla beat by 20 years.   Plus, Kate has provided an heir which Camilla hasn't done, so, again, while neither woman is a prize, Kate has more boxes checked than Camilla.

Charles really didn't think ahead about the ramifications of marrying Mrs. Parker Bowles.   He has no moral ground upon which to chastise his elder son's and daughter-in-law's lack of work ethic.  I would say that is why Charles is not putting his foot down with regard to the Cambridges.     


Title: Re: Charles & Camilla: News and Photos II
Post by: AnaBolena on November 04, 2014, 05:39:23 pm
It isn't just her face -- her whole body is old.  She seems older than the queen.    It is too bad that -- if Charles was unable to make his marriage to Diana work -- he could not have started fresh with a new woman, not Camilla.   Someone younger, healthier, without the baggage, who would be an asset to the monarchy.    Camilla, while a hearty, jolly, countrywoman type, seems to be crumbling before our eyes.   Is she really up to the duties of a consort?     

Is this entire world coming down to nothing but 'looks'?  There's no guarantee another woman would have aged to expectations either - the ageing process is different for everyone, but it's hardly the summnation of a persons abilities.

As for Miss Kate with her university degree aka something neither Diana nor Camilla has or had, pray tell what use has Kate made of 'all she has acheived'?   The degree means zero when such a lazy piece of work is behind it, and I'd hardly call making babies an excuse to do as little as possible.  Diana was an example of pregnancy and work ethic whereas Kate has no work ethic.

Sorry, I don't see Kate as consort material. Period.


Title: Re: Charles & Camilla: News and Photos II
Post by: Miss Hathaway on November 04, 2014, 05:51:47 pm
Well, of course, it's more about Camilla's looks, as I said.   Her health doesn't appear to be good which is a problem for a royal who must be out and about.  And then there's all that negative baggage, what with her having an affair with the Prince of Wales whilst they both were married to others. 

Kate is just as much consort material as Camilla.   If Kate is not consort material, then neither is Camilla, and Charles rammed her down his mother's and his country's respective throats with nary a thought to the consequences other than his own selfish desires.

Camilla didn't start "working" until her early 50s.   So Kate can sit back 18 more years if she wants to be on par with Camilla.    Charles set a precedence when he married his lazy mistress.    Maybe that's the real reason William took Kate back after 2007 -- a little passive aggressive stick-in-your-eye to his dad, by marrying a woman just like his dad's wife and daring him to criticize.      :bored:   


Title: Re: Charles & Camilla: News and Photos II
Post by: AnaBolena on November 04, 2014, 06:06:52 pm
I'm hearing your opinion loud and clear.  I should be blind when e'er Kate walketh my way such doth the sun shineth from her magnificence and mere existence.

Being perfectly honest I don't think Kate would make the first step of a good consort, her behavior is too self serving.

Camilla may have started late, but she's started and going well.  I do agree she needs to get rid of her facial hair for her own self respect - I doubt she sees it due to age.  Mind you, Kate could do with looking modest once in a while.  Giving the makeup a rest and dropping her Botox shots so her face can return to normal. She looks weird and very unfeminine.  However, if she had great work ethics I'd not give tuppence for her looks.

I prefer someone of substance over what they look like any day.  But we're all entitled to our opinions, and I guess our own values will determine which is most important.


Title: Re: Charles & Camilla: News and Photos II
Post by: Kuei Fei on November 04, 2014, 06:16:56 pm
Why can't Camilla just stop and be content with what she has?

Blow for Camilla as new poll reveals majority of Britons want Charles to become the next King... but say she should only be titled Princess Consort
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/femail/article-2820392/Blow-Camilla-new-poll-shows-majority-Britons-want-Prince-Wales-throne-say-Princess-Consort.html#ixzz3I7nxIKFy

That should tell Camilla EVERYTHING she needs to know about how her chances of a coronation are going. Frankly put, Charles needs to stop now. If his ego demands a Queen Consort by his side, he should have stayed with Diana and had more heirs and been sure that Camilla wasn't meddling.


Title: Re: Charles & Camilla: News and Photos II
Post by: sandy on November 04, 2014, 06:52:17 pm
^ Kate has out done Camilla in the work dept. because Camilla did not do anything until her early 50s when she became involved with an osteoporosis group.  Kate has (grudgingly) been to engagements in her 30s.   She has Camilla beat by 20 years.   Plus, Kate has provided an heir which Camilla hasn't done, so, again, while neither woman is a prize, Kate has more boxes checked than Camilla.

Charles really didn't think ahead about the ramifications of marrying Mrs. Parker Bowles.   He has no moral ground upon which to chastise his elder son's and daughter-in-law's lack of work ethic.  I would say that is why Charles is not putting his foot down with regard to the Cambridges.    

If Harry wants to marry a divorcee Charles would be hypocritical if he tries to stop him.

Kate of course provided an heir but is still very workshy. Camila was the mistress for years and did not have any royal duties until she married Charles (which took many years). Kate is in her thirties, Camilla looks quite old now but does more.

Kate did very little in the time she was waiting for the Ring.


Title: Re: Charles & Camilla: News and Photos II
Post by: Miss Hathaway on November 05, 2014, 01:10:00 am
I'm hearing your opinion loud and clear.  I should be blind when e'er Kate walketh my way such doth the sun shineth from her magnificence and mere existence.

Being perfectly honest I don't think Kate would make the first step of a good consort, her behavior is too self serving.

Camilla may have started late, but she's started and going well.  I do agree she needs to get rid of her facial hair for her own self respect - I doubt she sees it due to age.  Mind you, Kate could do with looking modest once in a while.  Giving the makeup a rest and dropping her Botox shots so her face can return to normal. She looks weird and very unfeminine.  However, if she had great work ethics I'd not give tuppence for her looks.

I prefer someone of substance over what they look like any day.  But we're all entitled to our opinions, and I guess our own values will determine which is most important.

And my value system does not approve of adultery.   Camilla is an infamous adulterer.  Kate is not one as far as we know.   


Title: Re: Charles & Camilla: News and Photos II
Post by: Kuei Fei on November 05, 2014, 01:13:27 am
^ Kate has out done Camilla in the work dept. because Camilla did not do anything until her early 50s when she became involved with an osteoporosis group.  Kate has (grudgingly) been to engagements in her 30s.   She has Camilla beat by 20 years.   Plus, Kate has provided an heir which Camilla hasn't done, so, again, while neither woman is a prize, Kate has more boxes checked than Camilla.

Charles really didn't think ahead about the ramifications of marrying Mrs. Parker Bowles.   He has no moral ground upon which to chastise his elder son's and daughter-in-law's lack of work ethic.  I would say that is why Charles is not putting his foot down with regard to the Cambridges.

If Harry wants to marry a divorcee Charles would be hypocritical if he tries to stop him.

Kate of course provided an heir but is still very workshy. Camila was the mistress for years and did not have any royal duties until she married Charles (which took many years). Kate is in her thirties, Camilla looks quite old now but does more.

Kate did very little in the time she was waiting for the Ring.

Amazing how Charles completely destroyed his authority as father and Crown Prince when he married Camilla. If he hadn't married her, I am sure that Charles would have been EASILY able to put a stop to the relationship with Kate and also forbid the marriage. If Charles had dropped Camilla after Diana's death, Kate wouldn't have lasted beyond university and it would have been made clear the damage that a mistress does to a marriage and wife/mother.


Title: Re: Charles & Camilla: News and Photos II
Post by: meememe on November 05, 2014, 05:22:34 am
Dropping Camilla might have given him some status in the eyes of some people but what an unhappy Prince of Wales we would have now. He is clearly in a good place emotionally at the moment and that is down to Camilla and the rest of his family - including his daughter-in-law with whom he is reported to share a love of ballet. They have reportedly gone together a few times - because neither William nor Camilla enjoy the ballet and/or opera but apparently both Charles and Kate do. I do think Charles likes Kate and enjoys seeing her happy with her own family, knowing that that was a major complaint of Diana's - that she wasn't allowed to see her own family all that much once she was engaged to Charles.


Title: Re: Charles & Camilla: News and Photos II
Post by: cate1949 on November 05, 2014, 05:30:33 am
I though Camilla liked ballet and it was opera that Kate and Charles both enjoyed?  May have read that wrong.  Do agree Charles is now a man content and happy confident also


Title: Re: Charles & Camilla: News and Photos II
Post by: sandy on November 05, 2014, 04:49:46 pm
Dropping Camilla might have given him some status in the eyes of some people but what an unhappy Prince of Wales we would have now. He is clearly in a good place emotionally at the moment and that is down to Camilla and the rest of his family - including his daughter-in-law with whom he is reported to share a love of ballet. They have reportedly gone together a few times - because neither William nor Camilla enjoy the ballet and/or opera but apparently both Charles and Kate do. I do think Charles likes Kate and enjoys seeing her happy with her own family, knowing that that was a major complaint of Diana's - that she wasn't allowed to see her own family all that much once she was engaged to Charles.

Why is it imperative that this man be made happy at all costs? That is something I never could fathom. Charles outed Camilla and became obligated. Whether he would have married her if he did not out her is subject to speculation. Camilla has her Raymill retreat in any case.

I have not read anything about the  sharing the "love of ballet" with Kate for a few years now. I think she went once with him to the ballet. I also never read that Kate was the "opera buff."

I don't think Charles even thinks in those terms about Diana anymore.

I don't read any "togetherness" stories about Kate and Charles. She's more with her parents now.


Title: Re: Charles & Camilla: News and Photos II
Post by: AnaBolena on November 05, 2014, 04:57:09 pm
I'm hearing your opinion loud and clear.  I should be blind when e'er Kate walketh my way such doth the sun shineth from her magnificence and mere existence.

Being perfectly honest I don't think Kate would make the first step of a good consort, her behavior is too self serving.

Camilla may have started late, but she's started and going well.  I do agree she needs to get rid of her facial hair for her own self respect - I doubt she sees it due to age.  Mind you, Kate could do with looking modest once in a while.  Giving the makeup a rest and dropping her Botox shots so her face can return to normal. She looks weird and very unfeminine.  However, if she had great work ethics I'd not give tuppence for her looks.

I prefer someone of substance over what they look like any day.  But we're all entitled to our opinions, and I guess our own values will determine which is most important.

And my value system does not approve of adultery.   Camilla is an infamous adulterer.  Kate is not one as far as we know.   

^ Neither does mine, on either side, for any reason whatsoever until such marriage is dissolved.  On this we agree.
We don't really know what Kate has done, but let's not get into 'fornication'.  She's been well into that and as they are up and coming defenders of the faith each should keep their pants and panties on in the BRF pre marriage.   :tehe:


Title: Re: Charles & Camilla: News and Photos II
Post by: Kuei Fei on November 20, 2014, 05:57:09 am
I do believe that if Camilla becomes Queen, it'll be game over and cause a real problem.

Heads of state, their wives, will be epxected to accept Camilla as a social equal and that would be an insult. Past does matter after all in that arena.

Dropping Camilla might have given him some status in the eyes of some people but what an unhappy Prince of Wales we would have now. He is clearly in a good place emotionally at the moment and that is down to Camilla and the rest of his family - including his daughter-in-law with whom he is reported to share a love of ballet. They have reportedly gone together a few times - because neither William nor Camilla enjoy the ballet and/or opera but apparently both Charles and Kate do. I do think Charles likes Kate and enjoys seeing her happy with her own family, knowing that that was a major complaint of Diana's - that she wasn't allowed to see her own family all that much once she was engaged to Charles.
Why is it imperative that this man be made happy at all costs? That is something I never could fathom. Charles outed Camilla and became obligated. Whether he would have married her if he did not out her is subject to speculation. Camilla has her Raymill retreat in any case.

I wonder why he has to be made happy at all costs as well; in the past, most monarchs didn't have as pretty a consort as Diana, but never let a mistress kick a wife out (other than Anne Boleyn and we all know what happened there) and knew that their people mattered the most above all things. Why does everyone think that Charles has some right to it all? As for Camilla, he didn't owe her anything and there's always a risk when it comes to being a mistress; if your lover loses interest, he owes nothing. It's been that way for centuries and I'm going to be blunt when I tell you that I'm disgusted that Charles let Camilla bully him into taking care of her.

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I don't read any "togetherness" stories about Kate and Charles. She's more with her parents now.

I don't think Charles likes Kate, just a gut feeling.


Title: Re: Will Camilla be Queen?
Post by: cate1949 on November 20, 2014, 07:13:44 am
because I admit Charles seems happy and content does not mean I approve of what he did.  I still am amazed he risked his chance to be King for Camilla.  Even though he got away with that - he still damaged his own credibility because there are still people like many here who do not find adultery something to overlook especially in a man who would be head of the church.

But whatever I think about the whole thing - he does look like a man content and happy.  So clearly he is not bothered by what I think.  I wonder why doing his duty was not enough to make him happy?


Title: Re: Will Camilla be Queen?
Post by: Kuei Fei on November 20, 2014, 08:36:09 am
I wonder about that too; Charles literally has had it all, no real obstacles to happiness.

I do think that what really disgusts me is how he (and William) refuse to be happy and lead happy lives.

All the time, feeling worthless and sorry for themselves and nonstop moaning and whining. Kate obviously enjoys a lot about royal life and I admire how Camilla seems to enjoy royal life as well, fitting in and doing her job, nothing more, nothing less.

I do believe that Charles is contented because Camilla is as much a whiner as he is. Diana wasn't a whiner and enjoyed royal life and I think Charles disliked Diana because of the reality that Diana introduced. Diana showed the world how lucky he was and he disliked that.


Title: Re: Will Camilla be Queen?
Post by: sandy on November 20, 2014, 05:56:33 pm
because I admit Charles seems happy and content does not mean I approve of what he did.  I still am amazed he risked his chance to be King for Camilla.  Even though he got away with that - he still damaged his own credibility because there are still people like many here who do not find adultery something to overlook especially in a man who would be head of the church.

But whatever I think about the whole thing - he does look like a man content and happy.  So clearly he is not bothered by what I think.  I wonder why doing his duty was not enough to make him happy?

The thing is that he waited about 9 years after Diana died and about 10 years after he and Diana divorced to marry Camilla. He pretty much had to test the waters and see if the marriage would hurt his chances to be King. After 9 years and spin and probably many conferences with the Church officials and so on, the way was clear. His grandmother passed on (and she was an obstacle to the marriage). Had there been anything remotely found that would hurt his chances to be King I think Camilla would have stayed a mistress or he would have moved on.  He really found he had nothing to lose. His sympathizers in the press and in his family tarnished (or tried to tarnish--I don't buy into his spin) his late ex wife's reputation. I thought that was the nasty part of it all. He apparently does not care what the people think and he can create his own spin and his own history to suit himself.

He also I think had to whitewash the affair or try to and make it the Beautiful Thirty Year Love story myth. Which I don't buy into either. He had to try to justify his bad behavior by 1) making Camilla seem to be part of a beautiful love story and 2) tarnishing the first wife's reputation (or trying to) reputation. And the awful part was that he did not seem to care what the sons via his first wife thought about it.

I personally don't know why it is so imperative that the man be made happy. He certainly had been grabbing happiness for years with his affair with Married Camilla and Married Kanga and other ladies and grabbed happiness while married to the woman he married to get his heirs.

I do think Charles tends to see the glass 1/2 empty. I think Camilla loves the perks and if he strays turns a blind eye and she has her Raymill to retreat to. I think Charles probably grumbles about his "long wait" and all the articles about Shadow King and even Regent have his complete blessing.

I think Charles likes nanny figures. I read that he would write complaining letters as a child to his grandmother about his school. She wrote that she put on her coat and wanted to rescue "poor" Charles from the school. She didn't. And I think Charles did not see the realities of marriage when he married Diana he had a concept of it and when the wife to his horror complained about Camilla he wrote whining letters to his friends and turned to his nanny mistress (who had her own agenda) to "comfort him." Charles really I think had and has a Peter Pan complex. Much like William does who acts out by trying to be "normal" and avoid royal duties. Even taking a Gap Year.


Title: Re: Will Camilla be Queen?
Post by: Kuei Fei on November 24, 2014, 12:23:29 pm
It's all about not wanting to grow up and take responsibility for his own life.

Frankly put, he has no business being unhappy, but the thing is, that if he would have owned up and taken responsibility, he would have ended up a happier man in the long run.

I often wondered why people don't rescue others more often, but I realize that you have to let them choose to change and better themselves or end up sinking.


Title: Re: Will Camilla be Queen?
Post by: Stephanie on November 24, 2014, 01:07:30 pm
Didn't Chuck say Camzilla will be princess consort before he married her?


Title: Re: Will Camilla be Queen?
Post by: gingerboy24 on November 24, 2014, 01:54:31 pm
He did, but then he also tells lies all the time, and probably did then.

You know, I have never liked camzilla, or the way she, and chucky, treated Diana.  My opinion has never changed, but I will say right now I would prefer her as Queen Consort to wasty.  Never, ever thought I would think like that, but wasty is just so dreadful, in every way, that it leads me to prefer camzilla to her.  Maybe chucky and camzilla are benefitting from wimpo marrying such a common woman that she makes camzilla look preferable.


Title: Re: Will Camilla be Queen?
Post by: sandy on November 24, 2014, 02:29:27 pm
To me nothing or nobody would ever make Camilla preferable. I am not a WK fan but she did not break up two families to get William. Camilla and Charles wanted him to get heirs so they chose Diana. Now the late ex wife is out of the way and Camilla gets to be called Grandmother to George and played mother of the bride to William.  Camilla is the one who made it possible for William to marry Kate since she forever lowered the bar on royal consorts. And Charles lowered the bar also, he had his cake and ate it two. I can't stand looking at Camilla. She does little work and makes it OK for WK to do little as well. What bothers me is that C and C's sycophants still bash the late Diana and Camilla I doubt is the least bit sorry. I think actually both Camilla and Kate are not ideal consorts to put it gently but Camilla was and is a ruthless schemer and saw off Diana.


Title: Re: Will Camilla be Queen?
Post by: Kuei Fei on November 24, 2014, 02:33:44 pm
If Camilla becomes Queen Consort, the House of Windsor will be finished. WK have no allies among the aristocracy and the aristocrats keep the monarchy running. Especially when it comes to the Windsors. There is no way that Camilla being Queen will do anything other than validate mistresses everywhere.


Title: Re: Will Camilla be Queen?
Post by: sandy on November 24, 2014, 02:36:43 pm
Some commentator in the DM wrote that Charles marrying Camilla would be comparable to Bill Clinton marrying Monica Lewinsky. Charles is a great big fool.


Title: Re: Will Camilla be Queen?
Post by: KGap on November 24, 2014, 08:35:58 pm
I think she should be princess consort, it would make the transition from EIIR just a little easier.


Title: Re: Will Camilla be Queen?
Post by: CathyJane on November 24, 2014, 08:58:11 pm
To me nothing or nobody would ever make Camilla preferable. I am not a WK fan but she did not break up two families to get William. Camilla and Charles wanted him to get heirs so they chose Diana. Now the late ex wife is out of the way and Camilla gets to be called Grandmother to George and played mother of the bride to William.  Camilla is the one who made it possible for William to marry Kate since she forever lowered the bar on royal consorts. And Charles lowered the bar also, he had his cake and ate it two. I can't stand looking at Camilla. She does little work and makes it OK for WK to do little as well. What bothers me is that C and C's sycophants still bash the late Diana and Camilla I doubt is the least bit sorry. I think actually both Camilla and Kate are not ideal consorts to put it gently but Camilla was and is a ruthless schemer and saw off Diana.

Great post, Sandy!! I agree with all you said.


Title: Re: Will Camilla be Queen?
Post by: Stephanie on February 20, 2015, 09:00:50 pm
http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2015/02/19/prince-charles-sold-out-william-and-harry-to-the-tabloids.html
Chuck selling out Wimpo and Harry because Campon is pushing Prince Loser to become queen. :stop:


Title: Re: Will Camilla be Queen?
Post by: Little light on February 20, 2015, 09:10:13 pm
Whatever PC says, I believe he is ruthless enough to capitalise on PD's death and the emotional hurt of his sons to promote Camilla to be Queen.

And i do beleive he would throw his sons under a bus to get good publicity for himself.

But whether the public would accept her as QC is another matter. If PC pursues this, then it might damage the brf further.

Or people may just not bother with them anymore which would be the death knell for the brf.


Title: Re: Will Camilla be Queen?
Post by: sandy on February 21, 2015, 02:50:58 am
It seems that though they deserve each other, Camilla and Charles bring out the worst in each other. The Camillagate tape showed the self centeredness with both wishing a devastating ambulance strike would not end, so APB would not show up and spoil their fun (since he was on assignment during the strike).  The worst part is Charles is trying to promote Camilla as a humanitarian which is absurd considering her undermining his first wife and her manipulations and scheming to get what she has today. Charles also throwing the deceased mother of his sons under a bus by condoning the Diana bashing is also extremely tacky and tasteless. Charles would be better off not pushing Camilla on the public but keeping a more low profile. He also could have waited a few more years and put his children first. He did not have to beget an heir with Camilla so he could have waited. I do think Charles is ruthless despite his trying to project the image for himself of the "loveable old codger" after using his own children to promote himself and Camilla. And I read that Bolland is getting the blame but isn't it Charles who hired Bolland and could fire him. Charles always plays innocent (I didn't know he'd do that he might very well claim) but he surely is not stupid and would certainly know what Bolland was doing. Charles I believe lets others do his dirty work then pretends he had nothing to do with it.


Title: Re: Will Camilla be Queen?
Post by: Miss Hathaway on February 21, 2015, 03:53:47 am
And, actually, it was Camilla who introduced Bolland to Charles.  Her attorney recommended him to Camilla, she interviewed him, and then sent him to Charles for final vetting.  He was hired to improve Charles' image after Diana's death and to totally rehabilitate Camilla so that she would be acceptable to the public as Charles' wife.  If Charles and Camilla didn't know the fine print of what Bolland was doing, they had given him carte blanche to do what was necessary.   


Title: Re: Will Camilla be Queen?
Post by: sandy on February 23, 2015, 02:40:35 am
Charles is a control freak so I don't think he was oblivious to the direction of Bolland's PR.


Title: Re: Will Camilla be Queen?
Post by: AnaBolena on February 24, 2015, 12:10:20 pm
IMO as Charles' wife Camilla has every right to be Queen Consort.  It's only pretended she's not Princess of Wales, but she is every bit of that title.


Title: Re: Will Camilla be Queen?
Post by: Stephanie on February 24, 2015, 01:32:56 pm
Chuck made a wise decision that Campon would be known as the duchess of Cornwall and not POW.
At the time Chuck made a promise: Campon would be princess consort out of respect for his first marriage and his sons.
Nothing wrong with keeping promises even when you technically don't have to IMO.


Title: Re: Will Camilla be Queen?
Post by: Kuei Fei on February 24, 2015, 05:48:18 pm
He also promised never to remarry, but he has. He just can't stop lying or breaking promises, can he?


Title: Re: Will Camilla be Queen?
Post by: gingerboy24 on February 24, 2015, 11:04:59 pm
^  ^^  Agree.  He will say and promise anything to get his own way.  Like the rest of that clan, they do not credit the public with an ounce of intelligence or good memories.  Princess Consort he told everyone, world wide. But then we know he lies, all the time, and always will.  Can´t stand the guy  -  what else does he lie about, that is the question -  a lot of things from what we are reading with all these leaks coming out now.  The whole house of windsor appears to be built on lies and deceit, not a nice family at all I am sorry to say.  To be avoided at all costs, greedy, grasping, lying, deceitful lot. 


Title: Re: Will Camilla be Queen?
Post by: sandy on February 25, 2015, 02:00:47 am
Other than the rear view of him going into the airplane William has all but disappeared. This is totally dysfunctional and I'm wondering if there is something wrong with him and media is being cooperative with the hiding out for some reason.

He's hiding out someplace vacationing or maybe he really has some issues.

Charles spin is just plain creepy.



Title: Re: Will Camilla be Queen?
Post by: gingerboy24 on February 25, 2015, 11:00:06 am
THE WHOLE FAMILY IS CREEPY.  Not one decent one in house of windsor from what we hear and see.  All of them seem to be dysfunctional/depraved in some rotten way.  They say the rot starts at the top and works down  -  never a truer saying for that family.


Title: Re: Will Camilla be Queen?
Post by: Miss Hathaway on February 25, 2015, 03:05:34 pm
Other than the rear view of him going into the airplane William has all but disappeared. This is totally dysfunctional and I'm wondering if there is something wrong with him and media is being cooperative with the hiding out for some reason.

He's hiding out someplace vacationing or maybe he really has some issues.

Charles spin is just plain creepy.

Charles is and always has been a self-centered prat.  He has some good qualities, but ultimately the world revolves around him.

I've been worried about William for some time.  I don't think he is lazy.  I think there is something wrong.  He's too thin.  He looks as though he doesn't feel good.     :-


Title: Re: Will Camilla be Queen?
Post by: sandy on February 25, 2015, 03:22:12 pm
Charles PR shows how egocentric he is. It is "Camilla makes  him happy" and Charles is "happy at last." Sounds very egocentric. Does he make people happy? Or is he supposed to be the be and end all of having to be happy.


Title: Re: Will Camilla be Queen?
Post by: gingerboy24 on February 25, 2015, 03:32:16 pm
So, we are led to believe that chucky can´t function without camzilla?  Only she makes him happy.  Hmmm, so, if she passes before him then he can only be miserable and unhappy?  People generally have to be happy in themselves before they can truly be happy with anyone else.  Happiness and contentment come from  within, a good relationship enhances that, but should not be dependent upon it.  Surely he is old enough and ugly enough to realise that.


Title: Re: Charles & Camilla: News and Photos III
Post by: Stephanie on April 06, 2015, 11:28:53 am
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3027081/How-half-public-believes-Camilla-Queen-Charles-accedes-throne.html
Here we go again. :ick:


Title: Re: Charles & Camilla: News and Photos III
Post by: YooperModerator on April 06, 2015, 03:23:44 pm
For me, I don't care who you are, HM is going to be an almost impossible act to follow.  PC has his work cut out for him and then some and seems, from what I've seen, to be clearly kind of oblivious to anything that might rock his boat so I get the feeling he's not fully prepared to fill the gaping hole left by her absence.  Diana, no matter what you do, is also an impossible image to surmount.  She died young, beautiful and desperately searching for love.  There are two heartbroken children's faces that are burned in the modern century's brain.  The 'what ifs?' are endless.

SO, if the British public want the monarchy to continue, they're going to have to accept Camilla on some grounds, I think.  Whatever her title is she's going to be blaring from every media available for however long she lives.  It's going to be, in my mind, a time of soul searching and decision making on the British and their Commonwealth's part to decide if this is what they can live with.  It'll take time and the media push will be carefully selected but to my way of thinking I see a clear decline in the love affair with the BRF and a slow erosion of the trust factor that has been in place for most people's entire lives.  It's the inevitable glaring difference between the reign of QEII and the rest of this family that will be a shock to the system and I don't think PC and Camilla have the pull it takes to survive it. 

And then there's the lazy-arse PW, Kate and Middleton contingency waiting in the wings who, I believe, will become less and less popular.  The British seem to be a people who don't embrace change but when they make a decision to see that change and find a way to see it as a new beginning on the world stage, things could take an about-turn. 

Personally, I have no problem, really, with Camilla.  You'd be hard pressed to find many people in the US who think of her at all and if they do, the both of them are somewhat eccentric but harmless.  But rulers?  The pulse of Britain?  Different story.


Title: Re: Charles & Camilla: News and Photos III
Post by: Miss Hathaway on April 06, 2015, 04:53:00 pm
Well stated, Yooper!  I would just add my two cents that Charles needs to get it through his thick hide that Camilla will never be LOVED by the public -- at best tolerated and liked.   Never loved or admired.   He needs to accept it and work within those parameters. 


Title: Re: Charles & Camilla: News and Photos III
Post by: Kuei Fei on April 06, 2015, 06:38:55 pm
Agree.

Thing is, Camilla went from mistress to wife and in the royal set, that is something that is a RARE occurrence. If the Diana bashing would stop, things would have calmed down a long time ago and Camilla should accept what she's done to other people and 'get on with it.'


Title: Re: Will Camilla be Queen?
Post by: Jane23 on April 06, 2015, 08:53:22 pm
Camilla doesn't need to be beloved it's Chuck who needs to be liked ... Cam now is an old lady who has time on her side after all who under 40 is invested or even remembers Diana? ^ Some articles exposing Di as the adulterer with issues, who was a hypocrite  is not bashing is telling the truth ... if Hewitt comes out to claim he is Harry's real father it's not anyone's fault but Di's ... Di will be "bashed" because she has made plenty of mistakes as is Chuck for his ...


Title: Re: Will Camilla be Queen?
Post by: Kuei Fei on April 06, 2015, 09:53:03 pm
I won't dispute that. To be frank, I want you to know that Diana never should have done a lot of things, but thing is, Charles and Camilla need to stop dragging Diana up and stop making so much of her. Each time they do, they refresh Diana's memory. I don't mind Charles since I think ANY future king should be ruthless and cold, but Camilla is someone who needs to start accepting that what happened was wrong and stop justifying it.


Title: Re: Will Camilla be Queen?
Post by: YooperModerator on April 06, 2015, 10:39:13 pm
^Out of curiosity, how exactly do you see Camilla publicly accepting that what was wrong was wrong?  In this particular instance, it's a no win situation unless Diana is brought front and center again.  So, I don't see how Camilla can behave any differently than she is now and that's by following Charles' lead.  So, divorce is all we've got here to satisfy the people who won't accept her. 


Title: Re: Will Camilla be Queen?
Post by: meememe on April 06, 2015, 10:48:35 pm
yougov asks this question every year or even more often and the figures supporting Camilla being Queen Consort have been steadily increasing over the last decade from around 7% in 2005 to 49% in 2015.

The idea that QEII will be a hard act to follow and that Charles isn't up to the job are the same thoughts being expressed in the 1890s about Queen Victoria and Edward VII - who had himself twice been called into court - something disgraceful for a Prince of the Realm. He ended up being a much-loved King.

I see no reason why something similar won't happen with Charles.

Except for the Diana die-hards who continue to believe that Charles and Camilla should be hung-drawn-and--quartered for hurting their darling most people are mature enough to realise that time has moved on and that Charles has always been respected for his efforts for the betterment of the people of his own country.

The Commonwealth will have no say. Most of the countries of the Commonwealth are already republics with at least three others having had or having now discussions on becoming a republic possibly before The Queen dies. Remember, when she became Queen there were only two republics in the Empire and Commonwealth (India and Pakistan) but now there are only 16 realms with non-Empire countries applying to join the Commonwealth. The British monarchy is not necessary for the Commonwealth. If the monarchy were to fall the Commonwealth would continue.


Title: Re: Will Camilla be Queen?
Post by: Kuei Fei on April 06, 2015, 11:13:04 pm
Camilla accepted being known as Duchess of Cornwall; she set a precedent for untitled women to have morganatic titles. Camilla should refuse to be crowned and should be known as Princess Consort whether she likes it or not. Forget about being crowned and called Queen and the public can move on.


Title: Re: Will Camilla be Queen?
Post by: YooperModerator on April 06, 2015, 11:27:57 pm
^Well, in that regard, it's a wait-and-see isn't it?  She seems, to me, a sturdy thing so I don't predict any health issues coming from her so it will be interesting to see what role she takes on when the time comes.  She just doesn't bother me as much as she does some, I guess.  She does her thing and it seems genuine and kind.  Other than tar and feathers it's a matter of acceptance considering that I don't see PC admitting a mistake and going through another divorce.  That one seems impossible unlike goofy William's choice.


Title: Re: Will Camilla be Queen?
Post by: Alexandrine on April 07, 2015, 12:01:37 am
Charles said she wouldn't be queen. It doesn't matter if Camz deserves it or not. I wonder who can trust him after that.


Title: Re: Will Camilla be Queen?
Post by: AnaBolena on April 07, 2015, 12:03:14 am
I don't see everything as black and white.  In life there are grey tones and areas and I think everyone will at some point be hard put to say they have never done anything wrong.  Yes, Camilla did wrong as did Diana and as did Charles.  But there comes a time IMO when the past must rest in the past for the sake of the living who still have lives, and I don't care who the person(s) is.

Think of it this way - had Di not died so young I highly doubt she would have been as martyred as she is.  I would much preferred she had lived than see what I see and IMO at times to the point of obsession.

Not even a prison sentence would punish two people for this long, so who are we to stand in our glass houses and throw stones?  

As Charles wife I feel she has a right to become Queen Consort if the people so wish, because despising her won't bring Di back.  And if Di could be brought back I wonder if she was the type of person to be so revengeful.  I'd like to think she wouldn't be.



Title: Re: Will Camilla be Queen?
Post by: CathyJane on April 07, 2015, 01:41:03 am
Charles said she wouldn't be queen. It doesn't matter if Camz deserves it or not. I wonder who can trust him after that.

He also said he would never marry again and you see how that turned out.


Title: Re: Will Camilla be Queen?
Post by: Kuei Fei on April 07, 2015, 02:28:02 am
Yes, he's quite the liar; frankly, one lie after another, I wonder how he keeps them all straight.

I don't see everything as black and white.  In life there are grey tones and areas and I think everyone will at some point be hard put to say they have never done anything wrong.  Yes, Camilla did wrong as did Diana and as did Charles.  But there comes a time IMO when the past must rest in the past for the sake of the living who still have lives, and I don't care who the person(s) is.

Think of it this way - had Di not died so young I highly doubt she would have been as martyred as she is.  I would much preferred she had lived than see what I see and IMO at times to the point of obsession.

Not even a prison sentence would punish two people for this long, so who are we to stand in our glass houses and throw stones? 

As Charles wife I feel she has a right to become Queen Consort if the people so wish, because despising her won't bring Di back.  And if Di could be brought back I wonder if she was the type of person to be so revengeful.  I'd like to think she wouldn't be.

The monarchy is about continuity with the past, not breaking with it. So forgetting the past is antithesis of monarchy.


Title: Re: Will Camilla be Queen?
Post by: Jane23 on April 07, 2015, 09:27:33 am
Camilla accepted being known as Duchess of Cornwall; she set a precedent for untitled women to have morganatic titles. Camilla should refuse to be crowned and should be known as Princess Consort whether she likes it or not. Forget about being crowned and called Queen and the public can move on.
Actually Kings remarried all the time hello Henry VIII  lol what happened with Cam is not unheard of it was unheard of during Henry's time Anne was unheard of!!! Chuck was a divorced man he had every right to remarry whoever he pleased we are talking about basic human rights here that should apply to Chuck too !!! As for Cam ... a rose is a rose no matter what it is called it doesn't matter how she is called she will be Queen that battle was won the minute they married ...


Title: Re: Will Camilla be Queen?
Post by: CarryingOn on April 07, 2015, 03:26:27 pm
Nothing about any Monarchy has anything to do with basic human rights. In fact, monarchies, in my book, are the antithesis of it. So, when Charles gives up being Prince and one day King, which is not a basic human right, then we can talk about his basic rights to marry whom he wants to. Of course he won't because then he'd have to give up the other non human basic rights of the taxpayer paying for his lazy a$$ family, Range Rover discounts, people scraping at his feet for no reason at all, and ruling a people who didn't elect him. When it comes to basic human rights, you don't get to pick and choose to suit your selfish ends. It's all or nothing.


Title: Re: Will Camilla be Queen?
Post by: india on April 07, 2015, 03:32:42 pm
He will make her his queen for sure.


Title: Re: Will Camilla be Queen?
Post by: CarryingOn on April 07, 2015, 03:36:28 pm
^ I'm sure he will. Charles is always okay with doing things that feed into his egocentricity and narcissism despite in the long run, it damaging his overall reputation and lowering his self-respect and the respect others have for him and the number of people.


Title: Re: Will Camilla be Queen?
Post by: Miss Hathaway on April 07, 2015, 03:39:17 pm
Charles said she wouldn't be queen. It doesn't matter if Camz deserves it or not. I wonder who can trust him after that.

He also said he would never marry again and you see how that turned out.

It has always been Charles' intention to have Camilla crowned as Queen Consort.  We would be silly-billys indeed to think otherwise!    :king:


Title: Re: Will Camilla be Queen?
Post by: Jane23 on April 07, 2015, 04:52:09 pm
edited for lack of content.  YM


Title: Re: Will Camilla be Queen?
Post by: Jane23 on April 07, 2015, 04:54:45 pm
Of course they said she won't be Queen back in 2005 what else could they say? The wedding has to go on as smooth as possible ... if you don't want to be lied to don't put others in a position where their only option is to lie ...


Title: Re: Will Camilla be Queen?
Post by: CarryingOn on April 08, 2015, 12:20:35 am
I didn't know there was a gun to his head or someone had kidnapped William and Harry on the contingency that they would only be returned if Charles lied and said his cow wouldn't be Queen. Oh, wait, that's because neither of those things happened. No one's life was on the line and so no, no one was forced into a position where their only option was to lie. Charles was and is just a spoiled brat with no spine whose never been able to be straight forward or stand for anything completely outright. On top of it, he can't deal with not getting what he wants. Therefore, he instead developed a MO of sneakiness, compulsive lying, and blaming others for his mistakes.


Title: Re: Will Camilla be Queen?
Post by: Stephanie on April 08, 2015, 10:13:59 am
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3029519/How-Camilla-won-sceptical-Britain-Ten-years-marriage-acceptance-says-way-nation-s-changed.html :ick: :ick: :stop:


Title: Re: Will Camilla be Queen?
Post by: gingerboy24 on April 08, 2015, 01:43:03 pm
Well, we must remember, he has probably paid someone to write and print that, or put a gun to their head, because most of us know the whole article is blatant lies.  She is detested as  much now as she was then.  Various anti monarchy pages on Facebook are absoltuley cutting and vicious about her, and put together the most amazing photoshop piccies  -  the head of a cow on top of an unflattering body, things like that. They are vicious and cruel, but nevertheless these pages have much support. So no, I do not believe that article, and when lily-livered queenie passes on I think chucky is in for a very rude awakening with regard to camzilla (on some FB pages they call her cowmilla).  The venom oozes out.  Fun to read, and you get a great idea of what people think of her, men and women, equal dislike and in fact they absolutely detest her.


Title: Re: Will Camilla be Queen?
Post by: Stephanie on April 08, 2015, 02:34:42 pm
There is no way Chuck can be king with this scheming user as his consort.
According to rumors she wanted Chuck to have sex with her in the garden right under the window where Diana and his sons were sleeping.


Title: Re: Will Camilla be Queen?
Post by: sandy on April 08, 2015, 06:52:40 pm
Despite Charles telling the public she is accepted, I think she is not exactly the most popular woman in the UK IMO


Title: Re: Will Camilla be Queen?
Post by: Ariel on April 08, 2015, 08:28:29 pm
^^such thing shows a complete lack of moral
i was just wondering - DOE is born a prince, a future king, yet - he is a duke, not a king or a king consort. why should Camila become a queen.


Title: Re: Will Camilla be Queen?
Post by: meememe on April 09, 2015, 09:25:39 am
The tradition in England/Britain is that the wife of the King is a Queen while the husband of a Queen Regnant is a Prince.

There have been two exceptions"

1. Philip II of Spain, husband of Mary I who was King Consort because he was already King of Spain in his own right

2. William III, husband of Mary II. He was given the title of King as much because he lead the army that deposed James II and because he was third in the line of succession in his own right behind Mary and Anne. He and Mary were first cousins. They even explained the inheritance situation should Mary die first - he was to remain as King, which he did, then he was to be succeeded by any children he had had with Mary - none, and then any children from a second marriage were to be behind Anne and her children - as Anne had no children and William didn't remarry they didn't have to worry about that contingency.

Anne's husband, along with Victoria's and Elizabeth's were all born Princes in their own right but were never made King Consort.

That is because a King is a higher title than Queen. Victoria actually wanted to create Albert King Consort but the advice she was given was 'that only parliament can make a King because parliament can unmake a king' and so Albert had to remain as Prince Albert.



Title: Re: Will Camilla be Queen?
Post by: Ariel on April 09, 2015, 12:19:45 pm
ok, so - Chuck can make his Camzila a queen  :bat:
life is unfair - but I'm sure that life will find a way to get back at her for usurping a place which does not belong to her and never did, imho


Title: Re: Will Camilla be Queen?
Post by: gingerboy24 on April 09, 2015, 01:40:11 pm
^Queen Consort, camzilla can never hold the title of Queen alone, she is not in the line of succession, therefor it is Queen Consort.  He told the public she would not be Queen Consort when the time came.  Lie one on that front. Does he think we have forgotten and know that he lied to us.  The other little matter that there are many in the UK who actively "intensely dislike" camzilla for what happened regarding Princess Diana, I don´t think chucky will get an easy time of it if he gives the the Queen Consort title, and rightly so in my opinion.  But chucky being chucky, he will stamp his feet and have a tantrum, and the public will throw a hissy fit.  Leave him to it, in my mind she will always be the old slapper who slept her way to where she is, nobody and nothing can alter that because it is the truth. He gets all he deserves because he was weak enough to let it all happen, no sympathy with either of them.  Well matched in a way, neither of them much favoured by the public.


Title: Re: Will Camilla be Queen?
Post by: india on April 09, 2015, 01:47:23 pm
And because of his "great" love affair with the Rottweiler, he opened the door for the advent of Viperville.


Title: Re: Will Camilla be Queen?
Post by: Jane23 on April 09, 2015, 02:12:42 pm
ok, so - Chuck can make his Camzila a queen  :bat:
life is unfair - but I'm sure that life will find a way to get back at her for usurping a place which does not belong to her and never did, imho
How is life unfair? He and Di divorced had Di lived guess what? Camilla would still be married to Chuck Duchess of Cornwall and future Queen Consort !!! Because Chuck is the important one ... Di was nothing but William's mother ...


Title: Re: Will Camilla be Queen?
Post by: Miss Hathaway on April 09, 2015, 02:23:57 pm
^ It is unfair because Camilla played an active role in destroying the Wales marriage.  She was an informant to The Sun for ten years from 1982 to 1992 regarding the Wales marriage.   Had she refused to have anything to do with Charles during his marriage, just maybe Charles and Diana could have weathered the ups and downs of their relationship.  But she was there to kiss his boo boos.  Always.   Never went away.   


Title: Re: Will Camilla be Queen?
Post by: Stephanie on April 09, 2015, 03:47:42 pm
A lifetime of plotting, gossipping, scheming, adultering and boozing.
 Campon is pushing Chuck to be queen and not princess consort like he planned.
I think Campon is behind a lot of anti Diana articles even today.


Title: Re: Will Camilla be Queen?
Post by: Ariel on April 09, 2015, 08:20:30 pm
If Diana was alive Chuck would not have dared ti marry Camila. Diana was THE Princess and if she was alive Camila would have still been called a wh* to her face. Who won the most out of Diana's scheduled death...


Title: Re: Will Camilla be Queen?
Post by: Stephanie on April 09, 2015, 09:28:30 pm
Without the Wrinkly Homewrecker Diana and Chuck might be married today with at least four kids and a lot of marriage counseling behind them IMO.
Of course the Wrinkly Homewrecker needed every trace of spontaneous love erased to regain Chuck's co dependancy. :ick:


Title: Re: Will Camilla be Queen?
Post by: AnaBolena on April 09, 2015, 10:25:43 pm
A lifetime of plotting, gossipping, scheming, adultering and boozing.
 Campon is pushing Chuck to be queen and not princess consort like he planned.
I think Campon is behind a lot of anti Diana articles even today.

IMO you just described both women. I've seen enough pics of Di glass in hand. Adultery? Oh, not her. Pursuing the press? Oh never Di.



Title: Re: Will Camilla be Queen?
Post by: Miss Hathaway on April 09, 2015, 10:39:05 pm
^ Diana was not an imbiber.   If she was holding a glass, it was filled with water.  And she couldn't avoid the press.  She had to learn to deal with them.   


Title: Re: Will Camilla be Queen?
Post by: Stephanie on April 09, 2015, 10:42:05 pm
^
^
When Chuck(31) pursued Diana aged 19 he should have lived up to it and be a true husband IMO.
No affairs poisoning their relationship from the get go.
Say Campon never happened and Diana and Chuck remained married with all it's ups and downs.
Then one day Chuck gave his black Amex card to Diana to go shopping in Paris while he went to some architecture conference.
But Diana never came back.
If, years later, Chuck presented a wrinkly frumpy woman( long divorced or widowed) who gave him some warmth and happiness I cannot imagine anyone objecting.
Campon is unpopular because of what she did and not because of what she looks like.


Title: Re: Will Camilla be Queen?
Post by: AnaBolena on April 09, 2015, 10:54:08 pm
^ Diana was not an imbiber.   If she was holding a glass, it was filled with water.  And she couldn't avoid the press.  She had to learn to deal with them.   

http://www.goseewrite.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/06/tumblr_l8ctrl1cRU1qztheko1_400.jpeg

And she courted the press as the press have stated.


Title: Re: Will Camilla be Queen?
Post by: Stephanie on April 09, 2015, 11:00:51 pm
https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/236x/9a/45/be/9a45bea5b61761ed93b2d5726de53f62.jpg
Campon was desperate to stop this, that's for sure.


Title: Re: Will Camilla be Queen?
Post by: sandy on April 10, 2015, 12:56:42 am
Diana was not a drinker. Plenty of contemporary accounts bear this out. Diana was concerned with health foods and was not a drinker.


Title: Re: Will Camilla be Queen?
Post by: Miss Hathaway on April 10, 2015, 12:59:45 am
^ Diana was not an imbiber.   If she was holding a glass, it was filled with water.  And she couldn't avoid the press.  She had to learn to deal with them.   

http://www.goseewrite.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/06/tumblr_l8ctrl1cRU1qztheko1_400.jpeg

And she courted the press as the press have stated.

One photo holding a glass of beer doesn't mean she was a drinker.  It's a well-known factoid that she was not.  Maybe an occasional wine, if that.   Certainly nothing on the order of the Queen Mother or Camilla.

And, yes, she learned to use the media.  She had no choice because she was daily fodder for the media.  And Charles' friends were planting their stories and Camilla was working with Stuart Higgins of The Sun.   She was quite savvy!


Title: Re: Will Camilla be Queen?
Post by: sandy on April 10, 2015, 01:07:31 am
Charles friends were leaking stories about Diana. Diana did fight back which was her right.



Title: Re: Will Camilla be Queen?
Post by: Ariel on April 10, 2015, 01:15:59 am
girls, let's be real. if any of us is married and some trash is messing up with our marriage, stealing our husband, trashing us in the press, we will also do whatever it takes to keep what's ours. for Diana it was to fight Camila's dirty games with the same thing - going to the press. imo, she should not be blamed for reacting to a situation in which Camila had put it in. and I blame solely Camila because men are simple - if they want sex, they offer to have sex. it's up to the woman's morale to refuse it if the man is married with children. also - you can't put Diana and Camila on the same level because they are not. Diana was the wife, the woman with a right to claim ownership of Charles's love and attention, Camila was and still is the kind of woman every gf or wife should beware of - impudent, taking what's not hers, would stop at nothing to steal her bf / husband because of the perks which her acrobatic skills in bed can get her.


Title: Re: Will Camilla be Queen?
Post by: Rosella on April 10, 2015, 02:42:27 am
girls, let's be real. if any of us is married and some trash is messing up with our marriage, stealing our husband, trashing us in the press, we will also do whatever it takes to keep what's ours. for Diana it was to fight Camila's dirty games with the same thing - going to the press. imo, she should not be blamed for reacting to a situation in which Camila had put it in. and I blame solely Camila because men are simple - if they want sex, they offer to have sex. it's up to the woman's morale to refuse it if the man is married with children. also - you can't put Diana and Camila on the same level because they are not. Diana was the wife, the woman with a right to claim ownership of Charles's love and attention, Camila was and still is the kind of woman every gf or wife should beware of - impudent, taking what's not hers, would stop at nothing to steal her bf / husband because of the perks which her acrobatic skills in bed can get her.

I'm no admirer of Camilla and I think it's a given that she worked for many years to destabilise the Charles/Di marriage. However, we have to face facts. Charles is going to be king in possibly a few years. He will want Camilla to be Queen Consort and unless there's an uprising by the British public she probably will be. I can't see the authorities causing a fuss.  In 2017 Diana will have been dead for twenty years. Those under 20 have no memories of her, and those under thirty very few. Of those people who remember Diana there are many who do so fondly but just think it's time to move on. And time isn't going to help in this scenario.


Title: Re: Will Camilla be Queen?
Post by: Rebecca on April 10, 2015, 04:13:12 am
I think that unfortunately, Charles and Diana each went into the marriage expecting different things. Charles probably assumed that Di would grin and bear it if he had affairs, as so many royals in the past felt was their right. Diana seemed to have gone in expecting, hoping, for her fairytale. I really don't think Charles intended to hurt Di, he probably figured she was naive to expect faithfulness given his position and past.

I don't dislike Camilla, although as a wife myself I do not like homewreckers. I'm sure Camilla must feel regret for the pain she caused. I think that because of her untimely death and tragic life many of Diana's mistakes have been glossed over and forgiven, while Camilla's forgiveness seems slow to come, if indeed it ever does. We all have made mistakes in life. As was posted on another thread recently, even Diana might have forgiven her by now, had she lived. I'm sure Charles does want her to become Queen Consort, but whether she uses the title really doesn't matter, IMO. What I think most mportant is not her title, but what she does with it. Hopefully, she will do as Diana likely would've done, had she the chance, and will use the role as a means to help others.


Title: Re: Will Camilla be Queen?
Post by: KGap on April 10, 2015, 07:24:13 am
^ Diana was not an imbiber.   If she was holding a glass, it was filled with water.  And she couldn't avoid the press.  She had to learn to deal with them.   

http://www.goseewrite.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/06/tumblr_l8ctrl1cRU1qztheko1_400.jpeg

And she courted the press as the press have stated.

That picture is from an official state visit to Germany. She took a polite sip of beer. She rarely drank alcohol in private.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G25py7yEVyo

Between the three of them, there isn't an innocent party. They all participated in the war of the waleses. It's unfortunate Diana is no longer here.

I hope Camilla takes the high road and continues to use a lesser title, even if she is legally entitled to be called QC.


Title: Re: Will Camilla be Queen?
Post by: Ariel on April 10, 2015, 07:36:37 am
if she hasn't used he duchess title to help others by now, most likely she'll continue to be absent from work when Charles becomes king. imo, she does not deserve the queen consort title and that it's better if she does not have it. if she only ever wanted Chuck because of love - then it shouldn't be a problem to not b honored with queen consort. and it's honor that is lacking in the situation. Diana would have forgiven them only if she had moved on happily. but this didn't happen. so, the only honor she really deserves is that her and Charles look really good together on public appearances.


Title: Re: Will Camilla be Queen?
Post by: Miss Hathaway on April 10, 2015, 01:41:10 pm
girls, let's be real. if any of us is married and some trash is messing up with our marriage, stealing our husband, trashing us in the press, we will also do whatever it takes to keep what's ours. for Diana it was to fight Camila's dirty games with the same thing - going to the press. imo, she should not be blamed for reacting to a situation in which Camila had put it in. and I blame solely Camila because men are simple - if they want sex, they offer to have sex. it's up to the woman's morale to refuse it if the man is married with children. also - you can't put Diana and Camila on the same level because they are not. Diana was the wife, the woman with a right to claim ownership of Charles's love and attention, Camila was and still is the kind of woman every gf or wife should beware of - impudent, taking what's not hers, would stop at nothing to steal her bf / husband because of the perks which her acrobatic skills in bed can get her.

I'm no admirer of Camilla and I think it's a given that she worked for many years to destabilise the Charles/Di marriage. However, we have to face facts. Charles is going to be king in possibly a few years. He will want Camilla to be Queen Consort and unless there's an uprising by the British public she probably will be. I can't see the authorities causing a fuss.  In 2017 Diana will have been dead for twenty years. Those under 20 have no memories of her, and those under thirty very few. Of those people who remember Diana there are many who do so fondly but just think it's time to move on. And time isn't going to help in this scenario.

I think Camilla will be Queen Consort because 1) it is legally correct; and 2) Charles has always intended for this to be, no matter what he has said.   She will be Queen.  I don't think there will be any uprising; however, as has been stated often in the Andrew thread, mud sticks.  And the taint wafting around Charles and Camilla will never completely leave them.   Charles has shown great disrespect to his great-grandmother, grandparents and mother, after all they had gone through because of the Abdication and doing their duty for the Monarchy.   If he couldn't live with Diana, fine.   But to marry his mistress who still has a living husband -- he couldn't have been more stupid.   


Title: Re: Will Camilla be Queen?
Post by: Jane23 on April 10, 2015, 04:25:43 pm
girls, let's be real. if any of us is married and some trash is messing up with our marriage, stealing our husband, trashing us in the press, we will also do whatever it takes to keep what's ours. for Diana it was to fight Camila's dirty games with the same thing - going to the press. imo, she should not be blamed for reacting to a situation in which Camila had put it in. and I blame solely Camila because men are simple - if they want sex, they offer to have sex. it's up to the woman's morale to refuse it if the man is married with children. also - you can't put Diana and Camila on the same level because they are not. Diana was the wife, the woman with a right to claim ownership of Charles's love and attention, Camila was and still is the kind of woman every gf or wife should beware of - impudent, taking what's not hers, would stop at nothing to steal her bf / husband because of the perks which her acrobatic skills in bed can get her.
What about the married men Di slept with? Why not remember the pain Di caused their wives to the point one of them had the police involved? You wanna talk morals really? Men are not simple and they can't be stolen by the way ... marrying someone doesn't make you their owner Di couldn't make him happy so he left ...


Title: Re: Will Camilla be Queen?
Post by: Ariel on April 10, 2015, 04:52:10 pm
obviously Chuck did not satisfy his wife and she had to find love, passion, sex somewhere else. if Chuck didn't spend his time with Camz then his wife would not have had to cheat.


Title: Re: Will Camilla be Queen?
Post by: AnaBolena on April 10, 2015, 09:00:19 pm
^^ Jane, Di is exempt from scrutiny.  We can see the other two went wrong but not Di.  She always, always has an excuse made for her.

I have to laugh - Di slept with far more than I ever have lol so much for Klass.


Title: Re: Will Camilla be Queen?
Post by: sandy on April 10, 2015, 09:22:37 pm
There is no proof that Diana slept with Many. None at all. Hoare neither confirmed or denied any affair. The Hoares are together. Charles slept with many women to sow wild oats he cheated on Camilla with Janet Jenkins, that is if one can cheat on a married woman.

Diana was pretty much ousted from Charles bed after she delivered the heir and spare for him. He used her as a broodmare. She could have lived out her life as a nun while Charles went to Camilla and perhaps other women. Alexandra the put upon consort of Edward VII at least was able to have intimacy with Edward. Charles refused Diana more children and she had wanted a larger family. Rumor had it that Camilla advised him not to have more kids with Diana.

Charles went into the marriage cheating since he later admitted (to his biographer) he preferred the mistress to the bride.

I don't think it fair to say Diana slept with "many men."  She did not and even Penny Junor her harshest  critic never claimed this

"What about the married men Di slept with? Why not remember the pain Di caused their wives to the point one of them had the police involved? You wanna talk morals really? Men are not simple and they can't be stolen by the way ... marrying someone doesn't make you their owner Di couldn't make him happy so he left ..."

Again, Jane, one married man denied sleeping with her (Carling). Hoare neither confirmed or denied one and is still married to his wife. And Diana denied flat out she slept with Mannakee.

There IS proof that Charles helped himself to at least two married women: Camilla and Lady Kanga.

Charles got marriage counseling from his mistress Jane. Enough said. Camilla rooted her feet in the ground and undermined Diana every step of the way. Diana was not something to be tossed aside because the Great One was "unhappy." He was happy enough using her to conceive children with.


Title: Re: Will Camilla be Queen?
Post by: AnaBolena on April 10, 2015, 09:40:53 pm
^ Sandy, she can hardly be called virginal, or even almost virginal.  Whilst I can fully accept what the others did was wrong, for the life of me I cannot accept the easy acceptance of everything Di did as right and justified.  We are each answerable, even Di.

Having said that, if she had slept with a thousand men pre marriage I couldn't care less even though it would go against my own moral code, it was still her choice as to whether she sowed wild oats.


Title: Re: Will Camilla be Queen?
Post by: gingerboy24 on April 10, 2015, 10:45:39 pm
I am, and was, a great fan of Diana, but like the rest of us she was not perfect and had her failings.  If chucky was entertaining camzilla why should PD not find her own entertainment elsewhere.  Doubt camzilla was pure and virginal when chucky first met her from what we hear.  As none of us were around at the time, and there was no internet to tell us much, we have no way of knowing what PD got up to.  If she slept with married men it takes two to tango, but as she had suffered an adulterous husband I feel that in her position I would not have wanted to cause similar hurt to another wife, but we all think and behave differently.  However, it is not for any of us to sit in judgement, the husbands were obviously willing if PD did have affairs, and although I do not approve of adultery it is not for me to judge what PD did, she had to live with herself and know what she did was wrong, but she did it nevertheless.  Many things must have been going through her mind, and she was given a dogs life by chucky and camzilla plus the rf, obviously feeling very insecure and unhappy emotionally.  I think one has to be in a given situation to know how we would react.  Logic in the cold light of the day often flies out of the window with emotional turmoil.   At the end of the day, they both committed adultery, but let us not forget that chucky didn´t start it, he never stopped and just continued from before his marriage.  There was always three in that marriage.  If you want to villify them for committing adultery then he took the lead and she followed, so in many ways both should shoulder the blame in that respect, although as I said, chucky was the leader.   In some ways one was as bad as the other.


Title: Re: Will Camilla be Queen?
Post by: Stephanie on April 10, 2015, 11:06:50 pm
^
 :thumbsup:
Exactly GB.
Chuck took the lead and Diana followed.
No 24 year old should be expected to go without sex with the man who took your virginity just because he likes to be a quivering whimp.
It is a well known fact that Chuck is not secure when it comes to performing due to his lack of contact with girls when he was young.
Campon on the other hand was at it from an early age and she "gave him confidence" in his twenties.
If it was anything more then sex back then chuck would have asked her to wait for him, then marry her.
But he did not.
I think Chuck might have been in love(not lust) for the first time when he married Diana.
A huge slap in the face for Campon.
We all know Diana was not experienced and needed Chuck to introduce her to sex, so no "reassurance " for Chuck.
We also know that Diana needed loyalty and commitment due to her upbringing.
An explosive mix that IMO could have been solved with a lot of time and understanding.
Both needed to grow as persons and Chuck made the IMO crucial mistake to ask "friends" for marital advise.


Title: Re: Will Camilla be Queen?
Post by: Kuei Fei on April 10, 2015, 11:33:10 pm
Here's the crux of the situation:

Diana and Charles weren't just ANY married couple.

They were a ROYAL couple and not just royal, but the Prince and Princess of WALES, the British equivalent of the Crown Prince and Princess of any European monarchy. Charles was royal on both sides while Diana had gallons of Scottish Stuart lineage and was related to almost the entire French aristocracy.

The marriage at the time was EPIC and seemed to put the monarchy back on track and ended up taking the world by storm. Diana was EVERYTHING a princess was expected to be and was complementing Charles just fine and moving him forward in life to maturity. Two small princes and of course, she was still more than young enough to have more babies over time and for a royal dynasty, two princes is a coupe de grace to a swell dynastic match.

As a couple they were unbeatable and Diana was dynamic on her own and skilled at schmoozing the people who needed to be schmoozed for charity. She put designers on the map, made London a fashionable place, put charities on the map (most notably AIDS) and also really did move the monarchy forward.

As for Camilla, you don't mess wtih that and walk away thinking you should be able to be scrubbed clean.

She undermined and trashed a DYNASTIC match and threw the monarchy off course. That marriage was mythic, you do NOT mess with that. Camilla has no business sitting her trifling arse on that throne being crowned with those jewels and anointed with holy oil after all her destructiveness.

You just don't. She dealt a vicious blow after she damaged the marriage beyond repair and has no business expecting people to just 'get over it.' Camilla has pretty much done horrendous damage and has no business wanting people to 'move on' beyond all that destruction.


Title: Re: Will Camilla be Queen?
Post by: sandy on April 11, 2015, 01:59:08 am
Charles was in a way a lot like his Great Uncle being more comfortable with married women than "suitable" girls. Charles was involved with both Kanga and Camilla, both married to others and both with "understanding" husbands. Camilla gave Tom the middle name of Charles and Kanga named one of her children Charles. Charles like his great uncle gained "confidence" being with these women. Edward realized he could not be a good husband since he fell in love with a series of married women starting with Freda Dudley Ward. He eventually was forced to choose between Wallis and the throne. Charles wanted his own heirs to succeed and decided although in the thrall of married Camilla to "settle down" with a young woman who could provide heirs. So ego driven, he decided he could have it all and keep Camilla on the side. Unlike the Duke of Windsor, he did not have to make a choice and got to marry the mistress plus have the heirs by Diana whom he more or less discarded after he got the heirs. Camilla unlike the traditional mistress did not know her place and wanted what the wife had, schemed to get them, and got them. Camilla nervily sat in Diana's chair and played hostess at Highgrove.

The sad part is that Diana is vilified after she died to elevate the "other woman" who had no business butting in (she was undermining the wife from the get go.

I agree with KF, it went beyond the ordinary husband and wife but it was a dynastic issue.

What is ironic is that APB is honored for sharing his wife and still gets royal invites while the late Diana is vilified for 'fussing' over the mistress's presence.

I agree that without Charles whining to his friends and running for comfort to Camilla (who had her own agenda) the marriage of Charles and Diana could have worked. If left to their own devices, I think they could have worked things out.


Title: Re: Will Camilla be Queen?
Post by: sandy on April 11, 2015, 02:10:35 am
Charles was in a way a lot like his Great Uncle being more comfortable with married women than "suitable" girls. Charles was involved with both Kanga and Camilla, both married to others and both with "understanding" husbands. Camilla gave Tom the middle name of Charles and Kanga named one of her children Charles. Charles like his great uncle gained "confidence" being with these women. Edward realized he could not be a good husband to a suitable girl since he fell in love with a series of married women starting with Freda Dudley Ward. He eventually was forced to choose between Wallis and the throne. Charles wanted his own heirs to succeed and decided although in the thrall of married Camilla to "settle down" with a young woman who could provide heirs. So ego driven, he decided he could have it all and keep Camilla on the side. Unlike the Duke of Windsor, he did not have to make a choice and got to marry the mistress plus have the heirs by Diana whom he more or less discarded after he got the heirs. Camilla unlike the traditional mistress did not know her place and wanted what the wife had, schemed to get them, and got them. Camilla nervily sat in Diana's chair and played hostess at Highgrove.

The sad part is that Diana is vilified after she died to elevate the "other woman" who had no business butting in (she was undermining the wife from the get go.

I agree with KF, it went beyond the ordinary husband and wife but it was a dynastic issue.

What is ironic is that APB is honored for sharing his wife and still gets royal invites while the late Diana is vilified for 'fussing' over the mistress's presence.

I agree that without Charles whining to his friends and running for comfort to Camilla (who had her own agenda) the marriage of Charles and Diana could have worked. If left to their own devices, I think they could have worked things out.


Title: Re: Will Camilla be Queen?
Post by: Kuei Fei on April 11, 2015, 02:32:45 am
Thing is, Edward VII NEVER dared smear or leave Alexandra because it would have wrecked Britain's relationship with Denmark's BRF and would have caused a diplomatic ripple between politicians/diplomats. Diana was the international connection that the BRF is in desperate need of and of course, was a person who put Britain on the map in so many ways. Frankly, I believe a huge reason international royalty isn't interested in the BRF is because of how Diana was treated. Among the international royalty and aristocracy, Diana would have been treated like GOLD, like a DIAMOND if she had married one of them, if not Charles.

I find it so ironic how Charles' ancestors had to marry infertile, ugly princesses when they would have been killed to be able to marry a beautiful, fertile aristocrat and continue the dynasty and enjoy their love life while binding themselves to the nation.

Camilla shouldn't be Queen, say public: And four in ten say Charles should step aside and let William be king
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3034167/Camilla-shouldn-t-Queen-say-public-four-ten-say-Charles-step-aside-let-William-king.html

Written out of history: As our poll reveals a majority still don't want Queen Camilla, a historian says there's been a cynical Establishment conspiracy - led by the Royals
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3034386/As-Daily-Mail-poll-says-majority-don-t-want-Queen-Camilla-historian-says-s-cynical-Establishment-conspiracy-led-Royals.html#ixzz3WxamLpvW

So there it is, the public does not want a former mistress crowned and anointed with holy oil.


Title: Re: Will Camilla be Queen?
Post by: Rosella on April 11, 2015, 03:22:31 am
I think Britain was well on the map, long before Diana.

As far as the U.S. is concerned, other royals before Diana have been hugely popular.

The future Edward VII as Prince of Wales captured the U.S. when he toured as a 19year old in 1860. When he crossed over from Canada parading fire and military companies couldn't get near the Detroit docks because of the huge crowds, and when he attended a Washington ball a carpenter had to be brought in because the floor was in danger of collapsing!

When the new King George VI and Queen Elizabeth went to the U.S. in 1939 there were crowds in New York during their ticker tape parade with the Governor and the Mayor of crowds estimated at between three and four million people.

Edward VII didn't want to leave Alexandra, imo. He didn't *despise* her, she didn't *despise* him  they'd simply grown apart because of his mistresses and her deafness. She was a compliant wife and a wonderful and popular Queen. People didn't divorce then, anyway unless it was completely necessary. The King wouldn't have worried about Denmark's reaction, though. Diplomatically Denmark mattered very little to Britain and its Empire, which was then at the height of power and influence.

I think that international royalty do pay visits privately to the Queen, the King and Queen of Norway, queen Margarethe of Denmark, Sophia of Spain among them. The Queen and Princess Beatrix of the Netherlands reputedly speak often on the phone. Edward and Sophie go to other royals weddings. The Greeks are close to Charles. Ex King Juan Carlos of Spain is believed to call the Queen Lilibet. All international royalty came to visit on the Queen's Jubilee year, so I certainly don't think European royalty ignore the BRF.


Title: Re: Will Camilla be Queen?
Post by: sandy on April 11, 2015, 03:28:10 am
Alexandra was not "compliant" from what I read she used passive aggression to cope with her husband's infidelity and clung to her children even keeping a daughter from marrying so she could have her as a companion. I think it wrong for a wife to have to put up with rubbish from a straying husband, in fact I'd call it demeaning. But none of Edward's mistresses tried to usurp the wife's place like Camilla did.  Alexandra had to put up and shut up. It was not a matter of growing apart. She and Edward were intimate considering they had a large family. In a sense though Edward did "leave" Alexandra not respecting her enough (she was born of royal blood) to stop behaving like a tom cat and cheating on her.


Title: Re: Will Camilla be Queen?
Post by: Rosella on April 11, 2015, 04:04:22 am
Alexandra was not "compliant" from what I read she used passive aggression to cope with her husband's infidelity and clung to her children even keeping a daughter from marrying so she could have her as a companion. I think it wrong for a wife to have to put up with rubbish from a straying husband, in fact I'd call it demeaning. But none of Edward's mistresses tried to usurp the wife's place like Camilla did.  Alexandra had to put up and shut up. It was not a matter of growing apart. She and Edward were intimate considering they had a large family. In a sense though Edward did "leave" Alexandra not respecting her enough (she was born of royal blood) to stop behaving like a tom cat and cheating on her.

Alexandra did have many babies but it is believed that after the last child Alexander John was born and died in 1871 marital relations between her and Edward ceased. The doctors may have advised no more as she had borne three sons and three daughters since 1863.

I meant that Alexandra was a compliant wife in the sense that she never spoke publicly about Edward's infidelities nor did she separate from him. I know she was an overpowering mother, and she did express her annoyance sometimes by going on long visits to siblings in Russia and Greece. However, they did continue to host many occasions together, publicly and privately, they spent birthdays together  and she reportedly said at her husband's deathbed that 'After all, he still loved me the best!'


Title: Re: Will Camilla be Queen?
Post by: Kuei Fei on April 11, 2015, 04:41:57 am
Thing is, Edward NEVER let any mistress mouth off in public or private; she also was treated with immense respect by Edward in public and he NEVER badmouthed. As for children, if a wife wanted them, royal men would give them to the wife to keep her distracted/occupied and provide successors. Thing is, Edward played by the rules and so did the mistresses. Camilla is unique in that she was in fact one of FEW mistresses to flout the wife.

In general, no one likes to see a mistress replacing a wife, especially among the upper classes. With marriage becoming more insecure, people are interestingly getting more and more vicious towards any perceived threat to their own marital status. Camilla symbolizes a triumph of a wife/mother being discarded and the man marrying a woman who gave nothing, getting everything, interestingly much like Kate.

I think Britain was well on the map, long before Diana.
As far as the U.S. is concerned, other royals before Diana have been hugely popular.

The future Edward VII as Prince of Wales captured the U.S. when he toured as a 19year old in 1860. When he crossed over from Canada parading fire and military companies couldn't get near the Detroit docks because of the huge crowds, and when he attended a Washington ball a carpenter had to be brought in because the floor was in danger of collapsing!

When the new King George VI and Queen Elizabeth went to the U.S. in 1939 there were crowds in New York during their ticker tape parade with the Governor and the Mayor of crowds estimated at between three and four million people.

 The King wouldn't have worried about Denmark's reaction, though. Diplomatically Denmark mattered very little to Britain and its Empire, which was then at the height of power and influence.

I think that international royalty do pay visits privately to the Queen, the King and Queen of Norway, queen Margarethe of Denmark, Sophia of Spain among them. The Queen and Princess Beatrix of the Netherlands reputedly speak often on the phone. Edward and Sophie go to other royals weddings. The Greeks are close to Charles. Ex King Juan Carlos of Spain is believed to call the Queen Lilibet. All international royalty came to visit on the Queen's Jubilee year, so I certainly don't think European royalty ignore the BRF.

Naturally, but the point I suppose I was trying to make is that while Britain has always been on the map, Diana turned London into a genuine hotspot for our modern era. As for Denmark, back then, the BRF treated the royals as valued, whether or not they were foreign. If they were part of 'the club,' they were treated with respect. Diana had gallons of royal blood, but got treated with a complete lack of respect that as per the rules of 'the club,' she was entitled to. I do think that after seeing all that has gone down, the rest of 'the club' has in fact decided not to get mixed up with the Windsors.


Title: Re: Will Camilla be Queen?
Post by: sandy on April 11, 2015, 12:21:15 pm
Alexandra was not "compliant" from what I read she used passive aggression to cope with her husband's infidelity and clung to her children even keeping a daughter from marrying so she could have her as a companion. I think it wrong for a wife to have to put up with rubbish from a straying husband, in fact I'd call it demeaning. But none of Edward's mistresses tried to usurp the wife's place like Camilla did.  Alexandra had to put up and shut up. It was not a matter of growing apart. She and Edward were intimate considering they had a large family. In a sense though Edward did "leave" Alexandra not respecting her enough (she was born of royal blood) to stop behaving like a tom cat and cheating on her.

Alexandra did have many babies but it is believed that after the last child Alexander John was born and died in 1871 marital relations between her and Edward ceased. The doctors may have advised no more as she had borne three sons and three daughters since 1863.

I meant that Alexandra was a compliant wife in the sense that she never spoke publicly about Edward's infidelities nor did she separate from him. I know she was an overpowering mother, and she did express her annoyance sometimes by going on long visits to siblings in Russia and Greece. However, they did continue to host many occasions together, publicly and privately, they spent birthdays together  and she reportedly said at her husband's deathbed that 'After all, he still loved me the best!'

 No woman should have to compete with mistresses for the husband's affection. And this was a different time.  And Edward's mistresses never usurped Alexandra's place at the dinner table as hostess to Edward at a royal residence. Camilla shamelessly played hostess in Diana's home ordering the servants around. And none would have dared calling the wife names like that ridiculous creature. Alexandra still had marital relations with her royal husband longer than Diana did. Diana wanted more children and Charles refused to have more. And Edward never went to the media saying he cheated on his wife and was forced to marry Alexandra. 


Title: Re: Will Camilla be Queen?
Post by: Stephanie on April 11, 2015, 12:28:25 pm
When, at last, he does succeed to his mother’s throne, there is little doubt that his second wife will become Queen, and not Princess Consort, the sop originally fed to a gullible public by Charles’s advisers as a means of countering opposition to the marriage. :ick: :stop: :ick:

When Chuck and Diana were just married Campon would call Chuck knowing Diana was at home.
Chuck didn't like it at the time but she kept on calling with different excuses.
Then waiting for the quarrels to break out, rubbing her hands with glee.

There was a time when Chuck wanted to try again with Diana and go for more babies.
In fact they were already discussing the upbringing of a possible daughter with Diana questioning Chuck's plants to spoil her way too much.
Again Campon interfered.
No person has to take that IMO, not even Chuck. That should have been the breaking point for him but Campon made him feel guilty.
According to Campo he could not dump her because he was responsible for her for the sorry state of her marriage and the fact that APB was nor willing to touch her anymore.
 


Title: Re: Will Camilla be Queen?
Post by: AnaBolena on April 11, 2015, 08:55:33 pm
Just a small question - where is there any absolute proof that Charles was sleeping with camilla all through his marriage to di?  Total and absolute proof and not from any of their mouths because they have ALL lied and ALL cheated.


Title: Re: Will Camilla be Queen?
Post by: sandy on April 11, 2015, 09:00:33 pm
Charles admitted to his biographer he preferred Camilla to Diana at the time of the wedding. I call that cheating (emotionally). If a man prefers another woman to his wife it is cheating--Charles wore the cufflinks sent to him by Camilla on his honeymoon with Diana. Speaks volumes. Stephen Barry who worked with Charles at the time and was with C and D as a valet on the honeymoon stated that Charls called Camilla several times on the honeymoon. Diana did not lie and cheat and had no past at the time of the wedding and the early years. Charles dumped her after she served her purpose. It's not a level playing field since Diana did not have a lover sending her gifts on her honeymoon with Charles. Charles admitted to his biographer that he went back to Camilla after her marriage to APB ca. 1979. And they were always "good friends" however that may be defined. I think if Charles had refused gifts from his mistress and avoided her (he dumped Kanga) he and Diana would have had a chance. I still think Camilla was poison to the marriage. Camilla was a whole lot more than a bedmate, she took over "mentoring" duties from Lord Mountbatten. Advising the Prince (and she had her own agenda)


Title: Re: Will Camilla be Queen?
Post by: Alexandrine on April 11, 2015, 10:15:23 pm
Please keep the conversation to the main topic  :flower:


Title: Re: Will Camilla be Queen?
Post by: Ariel on April 12, 2015, 12:55:40 am
it may not look so but the conversation is on topic. Camila does n deserve the Queen consort title. there as to be some justice shown towards Diana and she should not get tat title. she might be a duchess now but she will always be lesser tan Diana.


Title: Re: Will Camilla be Queen?
Post by: Rosella on April 12, 2015, 12:58:29 am
Trying to keep my own preferences out of it because I don't like Camilla, I think that the choice of whether she becomes Queen Consort or Princesx Consort will depend very much on the public mood when Charles comes to the throne.

 In spite of rehabilitation of Camilla's image since their marriage she is still not very popular to say the least with the British public. If the Queen dies within the next year or so say, a large block of people will still be around who remember the circumstances of the breakdown of Charles's first marriage. If the public mood appears sullen and there are large numbers making their feelings known about Camilla being crowned, then Charles's advisers will take a no risk approach and advise against it, IMO.

On the other hand, Charles undoubtedly wants Camilla crowned alongside him. As he will be Supreme Governor of the Church of England and there are centuries of tradition to back Queen Consorts being crowned, then it may well happen anyway, in my view.

However Camilla being assured of the gig as Queen Consort is far more likely to occur, I think, if the Queen lives for another decade or more, as Diana's memory will have faded some more by then; not completely, I don't think that will happen in Charles's lifetime, but somewhat.


Title: Re: Will Camilla be Queen?
Post by: Fly on the wall on April 12, 2015, 01:34:26 am
Britain divided with 55% of public NOT wanting Camilla to become Queen

More than half of the public do not want the Duchess of Cornwall to become queen.

A new poll revealed that if the Prince of Wales succeeds to the throne, 55% of the British public would not want to see Camilla become queen.

The nation is also divided on whether Charles should become king at all, with only 43% believing he should ascend to the throne, while a similar number feel he should make way for his eldest son William.

The Daily Mail poll revealed that 67-year-old Camilla, who was once reviled as the woman whose affair with Charles destroyed his marriage to Diana, is still among the least popular members of the royal family.

She is, however, more popular than she was at the time of her wedding to Charles in April 2005 when 73% of the public opposed her becoming queen - 15% now say that the marriage strengthened the royal family.

But the poll also found that she is no longer seen as the main reason for why Charles's marriage to Diana broke up, with the Prince himself held to blame by 39%, followed by Diana on 13% and Camilla on 12%.

Meanwhile William and Harry were found to be the most popular royals, closely followed by the Queen and the Duchess of Cambridge.
http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/britain-divided-55-public-not-5496873

Camilla shouldn't be Queen, say public: And four in ten say Charles should step aside and let William be king

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3034167/Camilla-shouldn-t-Queen-say-public-four-ten-say-Charles-step-aside-let-William-king.html


The y really need to ask these people why they want William o be king,and please one of the reason better not be something about Diana


Title: Re: Will Camilla be Queen?
Post by: Rosella on April 12, 2015, 03:08:32 am
It's not going to matter really, as if Charles outlives his mother he will be King. The succession's not a popularity poll.

However, IMHO, many people want William because he's not Charles. Charles is admired by some as being hardworking and passionate about his causes. However, for others, a sizeable chunk of the population he (and Camilla) are going to be mired for ever in memories of the War of the Wales and the disintegration of Charles's first marriage.

For many people too, I think Charles is regarded as an eccentric old buffer who talks to plants, has odd views and waffles on a lot. Shallow, but that's how he is viewed by some, I believe.

He and Camilla are not youngish like William, Harry and Kate, nor very old and venerable like the Queen and PP. Therefore they are just regarded as this rather dull, uncharasmatic oldier couple, with baggage.

So William looks good by default. To the British population at large, not those on blogs and forums, he seems to work, as a pilot with the sick, formerly rescue. He gets a tick from many for that. Some like Kate's fashion style. They think George is cute.

Therefore people, and again I'm not saying those on forums, but those who don't take much notice of royals, to those people, William and Kate appear young, fresh and without scandal. Admittedly the Middletons aren't liked much but you can't have everything! All just my opinion, of course.


Title: Re: Will Camilla be Queen?
Post by: sandy on April 12, 2015, 01:11:17 pm
The memory of Diana won't fade because her children William and Harry are around. Camilla did not have them. She cannot be a royal matriarch of the clan. The boys are from Charles first marriage and all grandchildren descend from the first marriage. She is the other woman that Charles ended up marrying. Camilla is the second wife and William apparently spends more time with the Middletons and Camilla had no part in raising WIlliam and Harry. Camilla also has her first marriage, the ex still living and children from that marriage. She is matriarch of the PB clan not the Windsors.  And Diana has not been airbrushed out as William and Harry's mother. That is something Charles can't do with all the $$$$ he spends on spin. The dysfunction though goes to the next generation with WIlliam's endless quest to avoid stepping up to full time duties. In the run up to King William, I think the sycophants will be pushing him and Diana will be written about in a favorable way. Much the same way Seward and Junor write favorable Camilla and Charles books and pan Diana. I think Camilla will be eventually marginalized if she outlives Charles.


Title: Re: Will Camilla be Queen?
Post by: Jane23 on April 12, 2015, 01:50:48 pm
I can not see what would prevent her from being Queen Consort it's not like Di died his wife NO!!! He was divorced , free as a bird!!! Had Di lived we would have the same situation Cam Duchess of Cornwall and future Queen Consort unless a tragedy happens ... Di would have been living in America with her forth husband ...


Title: Re: Will Camilla be Queen?
Post by: Stephanie on April 12, 2015, 02:40:00 pm
^
Things would be entirely different if Chuck met Campon after he was widowed/divorced.
Campon made it her life goal for years and years on end to rip apart the POW.
Chuck knows Campon cannot be queen, that's why he declared she would be princess consort.
There's also the matter of remarrying in the Church of England.
Chuck never remarried within the Church of England, it was a civil ceremony and a blessing service only.
Chuck is aware of this, that's why he took the act of penitence on his wedding day.


Title: Re: Will Camilla be Queen?
Post by: gingerboy24 on April 12, 2015, 04:13:32 pm
Princess Diana might not have died his wife, but camzilla had a huge part in that happening.  I have also read that there would appear to some type of legal problem with chucky's marriage to camzilla, can't remember the details properly, others might remember.  But there was, or maybe still is, a law that royals could not marry via a civil ceremony in England, although I believe they could in Scotland.  Of course all rumours quashed on that front, but I have never heard of that law being change.  Or the law was changed for him.  Whatever, I still don't think she should be Queen Consort because she was the cause of a lot of their matrimonial problems, and also he categorically stated that when king camzilla would be his Princess Consort, which if he does not keep to means he was lying to the British Public, as usual, so no surprises there.  Bit like his light out eco night to save fuel and he travels a short distant the same weekend in a helicopter. 


Title: Re: Will Camilla be Queen?
Post by: Kuei Fei on April 12, 2015, 09:15:33 pm
I can not see what would prevent her from being Queen Consort it's not like Di died his wife NO!!! He was divorced , free as a bird!!! Had Di lived we would have the same situation Cam Duchess of Cornwall and future Queen Consort unless a tragedy happens ... Di would have been living in America with her forth husband ...

Right, but Diana's husband wouldn't be the future King of England; she would in fact be not affecting the line of succession.

Charles IS the future King and should be acting like it.


Title: Re: Will Camilla be Queen?
Post by: AnaBolena on April 12, 2015, 09:17:46 pm
^ I'm not so sure of that, Jane.  She seemed incapable of holding onto long term relationships, although with more age she might have mellowed down a bit.  Even Khan stated that  one man could not fulfill her need for attention.  

Thing is, Camilla is HRH The Princess Of Wales now and always has been since marriage.  She will be Queen Consort, but IMO will be known as Princess Consort of which there is no precedent for in England.

Is it possible to have a discussion without all the name calling?  It gets a bit tiring. :ick:


Title: Re: Will Camilla be Queen?
Post by: Alexandrine on April 12, 2015, 09:27:05 pm
BTW the thread about the legality of the marriage is this one http://royalgossip.forumprofi.de/index.php/topic,3486.0.html


Title: Re: Will Camilla be Queen?
Post by: Kuei Fei on April 12, 2015, 10:12:13 pm
You know, Camilla should stop before she triggers a hideous backlash.

A coronation is attended by heads of state who are the types whose wives are above reproach. To have them be required by protocol to curtsey to Camilla as a Queen Consort, that would cause a horrendous situation. These men take pride in the reputations of their wives and would LOATHE having their wives be required to pay homage to someone like Camilla. It would also cause controversy during a time when it's supposed to be all about the coronation of an undisputed Sovereign. This kind of controversy is the very last thing someone like Charles needs right now.

The role of the succession is not up for vote, but thing is, Charles will need every piece of support he can get.


Title: Re: Will Camilla be Queen?
Post by: Rosella on April 12, 2015, 10:52:20 pm
^^

But KF, with respect, other sovereigns (Heads of State) don't attend each other's Coronations. It's not customary. Similarly, Kings and Queens don't bow/ curtesy to each other. At Coronations it's usually the heirs/Crown Princes and Princesses who attend and it's true that they would have to acknowledge Charles and Camilla in that way.

However, those gestures are made to respect the office or rank not the person, I believe. Whatever they feel about Camilla, and IMO, they would certainly be aware of everything she and Charlie boy got up to, the people concerned would do it because the couple were newly crowned as sovereign and consort. They would have to do this, IMO, even if she is just Princess Consort as she would be the wife of a crowned head and they wouldn't be.


Title: Re: Will Camilla be Queen?
Post by: sandy on April 13, 2015, 01:32:22 am
I can not see what would prevent her from being Queen Consort it's not like Di died his wife NO!!! He was divorced , free as a bird!!! Had Di lived we would have the same situation Cam Duchess of Cornwall and future Queen Consort unless a tragedy happens ... Di would have been living in America with her forth husband ...

The woman is dead why assume she would have a fourth husband . There are honorable men in the world and someone who unlike Charles would love Diana and want her for herself not for her breeding capacity.. I think she'd have found her Mr Right and have had a forever marriage. Charles was not free as a bird--it took him 9 years after the divorce for him to marry her. Not everybody has a high opinion of how Camilla got to marry Charles. Charles had to wait until after his grandmother died, since she disapproved of Camilla. And he needed a spin doctor to try to whitewash Camilla's image.

" I'm not so sure of that, Jane.  She seemed incapable of holding onto long term relationships, although with more age she might have mellowed down a bit.  Even Khan stated that  one man could not fulfill her need for attention.  

Thing is, Camilla is HRH The Princess Of Wales now and always has been since marriage.  She will be Queen Consort, but IMO will be known as Princess Consort of which there is no precedent for in England.

Is it possible to have a discussion without all the name calling?  It gets a bit tiring"

I have to address this. Diana died at age 36 so it will never be known what would have happened. She was luckless in her first marriage and in a situation no woman should have to put up with--another woman undermining her every step of the way.  Charles made it impossible for the marriage to work since he felt Camilla indispensable to the detriment of his marriage. Diana could not up and elope with anybody when she was legally married to Charles and she'd have risked losing custody. So much for her not "holding onto long term relationships."

I never read Khan saying this. He always spoke well of Diana and was heartbroken when she died. He still has not settled down with anybody, so maybe just maybe he had commitment issues. The woman is not always the cause of broken relationships.


Title: Re: Will Camilla be Queen?
Post by: Ariel on April 13, 2015, 03:46:47 am
Diana had a cheating husband who called her an attention seeker. boo-hoo. no wonder she couldn't "sustain a relationship" with said husband. also Diana had imo very high standards for the man in her life - she must have wanted someone who to honor and to cherish her... something Charles missed in his marriage vows. with that said - Camila being the driving force into ruining the life of a young, innocent woman, whose only sin was to fall in love with her husband - there might not be a law to stop Charles from getting her a queen title, but the moral side of society should stop him. 


Title: Re: Will Camilla be Queen?
Post by: Creepy on April 15, 2015, 08:47:34 pm
I don´t know, she needs to win the love of people with frail memories and the forgiving types and younger generations.
Just saying, one of my grandfather´s was named like PC.... he married his mistress after his wife died, relatively young, and even though I was named after my grandmother, well it´s my middle name, she grew on me, because basically I had never met my paternal grandmother and since she was a former school teacher I guess she was good with kids. And yes, it was shocking he announced he was marrying her during her funeral ughhh, but I learned that a bit too late. My other grandmother on the other side was absolutely great and I loved her lots more and saw her lots more as well but I can´t recall any memory in which C yes omg she was a C too actually  wasn´t nice and kind to me. And good news to PC if there are any more similarities: he lived til age 94.


Title: Re: Will Camilla be Queen?
Post by: sandy on April 15, 2015, 08:55:55 pm
I somehow think Camilla will never be universally beloved. William and Harry were still the sons of Diana not Camilla. And from William's spending much time with the Middletons I don't think he's too fond of Camilla and I doubt Harry cares much for her. They are polite but they remember their mother and Camilla had no part in raising them.


Title: Re: Will Camilla be Queen?
Post by: Stephanie on April 15, 2015, 09:30:20 pm
Chuck just needs to count his losses and proceed with more important things like being a good king when his time comes. Which is one of the reasons I feel Campon should be known as princess consort like he decided earlier.He doesn,t need a breach of trust from the get go.


Title: Re: Will Camilla be Queen?
Post by: Creepy on April 15, 2015, 10:00:35 pm
^ People would definiedly preffer it and what difference does it really make to them?


Title: Re: Will Camilla be Queen?
Post by: india on April 15, 2015, 10:12:15 pm
We may as well wrap our heads around it. PC will make her his Queen.


Title: Re: Will Camilla be Queen?
Post by: Jane23 on April 16, 2015, 08:12:08 am
My thing is ... does it really matter? That war was won when they got married ... she WILL be Queen when he is Crowned no matter how she is called ... just like she IS Princess of Wales she just doesn't use it ...


Title: Re: Will Camilla be Queen?
Post by: sandy on April 16, 2015, 02:46:43 pm
Charles did make a point of saying she would be Princess Consort. He caused a lot of the confusion.


Title: Re: Will Camilla be Queen?
Post by: Jane23 on April 16, 2015, 04:34:39 pm
^ How did he "make a point"? Liz is alive and kicking!!! It will be dealt with when she proves Mortal!!!


Title: Re: Will Camilla be Queen?
Post by: sandy on April 16, 2015, 04:36:56 pm
Jane I'm not going to belabor this. Go look on google and search Charles and Camilla wedding and during the run up to the wedding it was said that Camilla would not use Princess of Wales title style and be called Duchess of Cornwall and when Charles is King she would be called Princess Consort. Go look it up.


Title: Re: Will Camilla be Queen?
Post by: YooperModerator on April 16, 2015, 05:24:56 pm
^That's rude.  And this is a warning, Sandy.    ^^Calm down!  YM

Here:

http://www.princeofwales.gov.uk/the-duchess-of-cornwall/biography/marriage-and-family (http://www.princeofwales.gov.uk/the-duchess-of-cornwall/biography/marriage-and-family)

Quote
It is intended that The Duchess of Cornwall will use the title HRH The Princess Consort when The Prince of Wales accedes to the Throne.



Title: Re: Will Camilla be Queen?
Post by: sandy on April 16, 2015, 06:37:52 pm
Sorry about that. I am going to place a link to the story of Princess Consort. Charles muddied the waters with this and it took place in the Queen's lifetime

http://www.usatoday.com/story/life/people/2012/11/12/camilla-to-be-princess-not-queen-says-palace-website/1700083/


Title: Re: Will Camilla be Queen?
Post by: YooperModerator on April 16, 2015, 07:54:16 pm
^It's right there in my link from PC's own website.  The word "intended" is one that is interesting but that is the intention, in writing, as fact, right now.  What will happen later is an unknown.


Title: Re: Will Camilla be Queen?
Post by: Ariel on April 16, 2015, 09:06:46 pm
if he had to chose between the stability of the crown and his camila - he'll chose to secure stability, imo


Title: Re: Will Camilla be Queen?
Post by: Tpearl on June 18, 2015, 12:10:21 am
I don't think she will be Queen.


Title: Re: Will Camilla be Queen?
Post by: leogirl on June 18, 2015, 05:55:30 am
When she married Charles, the announcement was that her title would be Princess Consort when Charles is King. And unless she does a LOT more appearances and gets a ton of positive PR (not likely considering her current age and her past actions), I don't see that changing. I think she wants to be married to a King (why else was she Charles's mistress and interfering with his first marriage so much?) but she spends too much time out of the public eye for someone who's campaigning to be Queen. Just my thoughts, and of course I could be wrong and things could change.


Title: Re: Will Camilla be Queen?
Post by: simplyme on June 18, 2015, 06:31:23 am
Sorry but sincerely I don't understand why she can't have the title! He will be king and she will be queen. He is prince of Wales, she is the princess of Wales. Why not?
 The fact she will use Diana title not delete what she done


Title: Re: Will Camilla be Queen?
Post by: leogirl on June 18, 2015, 08:50:52 am
I think she legally does have those titles, but she doesn't use them because she doesn't want bad PR. Maybe she thinks that by using Duchess of Cornwall people will forget that she stole the last Princess of Wales' husband?  :dontknow:


Title: Re: Will Camilla be Queen?
Post by: rosielinks on June 30, 2015, 11:31:05 am
I think the situation is academic frankly.

HM will never abdicate and looks to be in fine fettle. She could continue for another 10 years. By this time PC will be in his mid-seventies and Camz is a bit older. She is already ageing worse than HM - being a long-term smoker and heavy drinker with osteoporosis in her family line. I don't think she will be a consort for very long - or even at all the way things are looking now.


Title: Re: Will Camilla be Queen?
Post by: Mememe on June 30, 2015, 11:39:08 am

.... and to add many of the people that are against Camilla being queen may have also taken their leave of this world.  It may be less of an issue than we consider it to be at this time.


Title: Re: Will Camilla be Queen?
Post by: Rosella on June 30, 2015, 01:45:15 pm
^^Yes, I agree. I just don't feel that Camilla is a particularly healthy woman or one with a strong constitution. She's older than Charles by two years, and even if the Queen hangs on for only another ten years I can't see Camilla being a really active woman like her mother in law is.


Title: Re: Will Camilla be Queen?
Post by: sandy on June 30, 2015, 02:43:46 pm

.... and to add many of the people that are against Camilla being queen may have also taken their leave of this world.  It may be less of an issue than we consider it to be at this time.

I totally disagree. For one thing Camilla was about 14 years older than Diana. Diana's generation is not exactly in danger of extinction. Also why isn't it considered that younger people may not like Camilla, and heard things about her from their parents.


Title: Re: Will Camilla be Queen?
Post by: rosielinks on June 30, 2015, 03:52:43 pm
The younger generation tend not to be that interested in royalty - especially the older members.

It would be harder for twenty-year-olds to see, say, Prince Phillip as the handsome, athletic playboy he once was and to appreciate Camilla as the irresistible sexy mistress of Charles' younger days.


Title: Re: Will Camilla be Queen?
Post by: sandy on June 30, 2015, 04:26:08 pm
I think young people can be interested in reading up on royalty. The Internet and books provide glimpses into when the elderly royals were young. Hello and Majesty Magazine have regular features. Obviously none of us remember the days of Nicholas and Alexandra and t heir children but huge numbers of books and films are out there and they have their fans. When the Queen Mum was very elderly there was much out there about her younger years and there is the iconic photo of her in her wedding dress. To me Camilla being irresistible is debatable. Some IMO might not have been taken in by her "charms".


Title: Re: Will Camilla be Queen?
Post by: leogirl on July 01, 2015, 02:28:52 am
Camilla was an average-looking young woman. She wasn't ugly, but she wasn't this great beauty, either. IMO, Charles was interested in her for something other than her looks.  :June:  :spy:

People in general have short memories. I think a lot has been forgotten. Or people just don't care anymore. A lot of young people have grown up with their parents divorcing and cheating on each other, or separating and cheating without ever marrying at all, so they think it's normal or don't see what the big deal is.

On the other hand, Camilla will be 68 in a little over two weeks. Being a smoker, she isn't in the best health. Not to mention possible osteoporosis, arthritis, and other issues. I wouldn't be surprised if HM outlived her, and if she doesn't, it won't be by very long. I know the oldest woman on record was a smoker, but I think she was pretty active into her 80s and 90s.

Charles is a year (16 months) younger than Camilla and seems to be possibly in slightly better health. Although I don't know how active he is, considering he has someone to put toothpaste on for him. But he does seem to care about eating healthy, which could make him live longer. I don't think Charles will have a long reign, considering his current age and the fact that his mother had him at 22 (not 33 like he was when William was born).


Title: Re: Will Camilla be Queen?
Post by: Stephanie on August 15, 2015, 11:46:47 am
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3198763/Diana-crash-greased-brakes-said-Queen.html
Chuck and Campon having a go again! :ick:


Title: Re: Will Camilla be Queen?
Post by: gingerboy24 on August 15, 2015, 10:23:37 pm
Anything to make camzilla look good  We all know she never liked camzilla, and yet now they are allegedly best buddies, yeah right, those pink pigs are flying again  lol lol


Title: Re: Will Camilla be Queen?
Post by: sandy on August 16, 2015, 01:03:07 am
Ingrid Seward apparently has written another love letter to C and C. It regurgitates the same stories from her earlier book the Queen and Di, a Diana bashing exercise. To see on whose team She is on , check out one of the images on her website. She probably thinks Dame Ingrid Seward when Charles and Camilla take over.
http://ingridseward.com/

I can imagine how grateful Camilla must be to Ingrid, the two giggle together.


Title: Re: Will Camilla be Queen?
Post by: Alexandrine on July 10, 2016, 06:03:31 pm
For anyone interested there was a thread discussing possible jewels for her coronation (I know, I know)

http://members2.boardhost.com/royal-jewels/thread/1467294712.html


Title: Re: Will Camilla be Queen?
Post by: sandy on July 11, 2016, 12:38:51 am
Camilla probably knows exactly what she wants in jewelry for the coronation. Probably fantasized about it while she and Charles were married to others. She went for the gold.


Title: Re: Will Camilla be Queen?
Post by: CathyJane on July 11, 2016, 04:03:38 am
Probably all the royal jewels she can carry.  :shy:


Title: Re: Will Camilla be Queen?
Post by: Tatiana on September 17, 2016, 09:35:38 pm
  If Chas and Cam dare to have a public coronation, we will see the biggest anti royal crowd on the streets since George IV's coronation.   I look forward to it, as I will be in the crowd booing and throwing tampax.


Title: Re: Will Camilla be Queen?
Post by: HennyPenny on September 17, 2016, 10:23:49 pm

 ^Tatiana - make sure you tell us what color you will be wearing so we can cheer you on ...  :laugh: :laugh:


Title: Re: Will Camilla be Queen?
Post by: Val on September 17, 2016, 10:42:55 pm
Charles is determined that she will be Queen.  As mentioned on the other thread Camilla is gaining much support through her warmth, genuine concern, compassion, humour and knack of making everyone feel at ease.  It's almost 20 years since Diana died now and sadly many didn't get to know her or the memories have faded.  Camilla gets on very well with QE too.


Title: Re: Will Camilla be Queen?
Post by: marion on September 17, 2016, 10:51:22 pm
I am sure she will be Queen....
I can't wait for Charles to be king as he is the only hope we have of the midds and waity being dealt with


Title: Re: Will Camilla be Queen?
Post by: Tatiana on September 17, 2016, 11:04:02 pm
  Charles is the worst thing to happen to the UK in a hundred years.  If he chooses to foist his mistress on the people of the UK, he will destroy the Monarchy.   


Title: Re: Will Camilla be Queen?
Post by: sandy on September 18, 2016, 12:25:06 am
Charles is determined that she will be Queen.  As mentioned on the other thread Camilla is gaining much support through her warmth, genuine concern, compassion, humour and knack of making everyone feel at ease.  It's almost 20 years since Diana died now and sadly many didn't get to know her or the memories have faded.  Camilla gets on very well with QE too.

It is a matter of opinion how much support Camilla is gaining. There have been scathing comments on her in the media. I think Charles tells people that Camilla is gaining support. Which is different than it actually happening. I don't think the Queen is exactly thrilled at how Camilla joined the family and makes the best of it. I don't think they are close. I don't see Camilla as having "concern" she's going on appearances which she has to do.


Title: Re: Will Camilla be Queen?
Post by: india on September 18, 2016, 11:28:05 am
Camilla will make a fabulous queen consort.


Title: Re: Will Camilla be Queen?
Post by: Val on September 18, 2016, 07:23:47 pm
^

I do agree.


Title: Re: Will Camilla be Queen?
Post by: marion on September 18, 2016, 09:53:21 pm
^^I think so too


Title: Re: Will Camilla be Queen?
Post by: sandy on September 19, 2016, 12:21:50 am
NOt everybody adores the woman to put it mildly. But the UK is stuck with her. She lowered the bar on royal consorts forever.


Title: Re: Will Camilla be Queen?
Post by: Kuei Fei on September 19, 2016, 12:39:57 am
This isn't supposed to be about PR; Camilla got the ring and should abide by promises made. If she ends up Queen, she will essentially break that  last part of trust and end up causing a HUGE amount of discord. That woman was a mistress, chose to continue to BE a mistress and frankly has no business sitting herself on the sacred throne of Queens Consort. She was messing with him first and had the gall to undermine the wife and break up a dynastic marriage and then get the prince and get it all on their own terms, screwing their nation's prestige. Why shouldn't Camilla remain a mistress and basically lump it? She had no problems being a mistress for such a long time.


Title: Re: Will Camilla be Queen?
Post by: india on September 19, 2016, 03:45:16 pm
The fact of the matter is that men are just stupid when it comes to women. This is just one of many occurrences that have been going on forever throughout history. Kingdoms have toppled repeatedly. Camilla will be queen and we all need to wrap our heads around it. I loved Diana and what Camilla and PC did was deplorable. Give the devil her due: Camilla will be a great queen.


Title: Re: Will Camilla be Queen?
Post by: marion on September 19, 2016, 05:16:01 pm
^ITA Just because someone does somethng despicable doesn't mean to say they are all bad


Title: Re: Will Camilla be Queen?
Post by: sandy on September 19, 2016, 06:51:14 pm
The fact of the matter is that men are just stupid when it comes to women. This is just one of many occurrences that have been going on forever throughout history. Kingdoms have toppled repeatedly. Camilla will be queen and we all need to wrap our heads around it. I loved Diana and what Camilla and PC did was deplorable. Give the devil her due: Camilla will be a great queen.

I would not call Camilla "great" in any regard. She will be a Queen Consort not a reigning monarch. Camilla's lack of character would not make her IMO a great anything. I think she looked out for herself very well and was and is conniving. An important part of being a great Queen consort is to command some sort of respect. Camilla's actions IMO prevent her from getting universal respect to say the least. I think Charles lost respect of a portion of the public for obvious reasons and nevertheless will have a relatively short reign.


Title: Re: Will Camilla be Queen?
Post by: Tatiana on September 20, 2016, 05:55:52 am
  Camilla is not a "Great" anything, except perhaps a great tart.   She put her children through so much.  She put Charles' sons through so much, and she pretended to befriend Diana, all the while stabbing her in the back.   She was in weekly phone contact with Sun newspaper editor, Stuart Higgins, he has admitted this was so.  She dished the dirt on Diana for a decade.   She is odious human being, her former neighbours and acquaintances have said so.   The British people will not put up with her.


Title: Re: Will Camilla be Queen?
Post by: Kuei Fei on September 20, 2016, 06:30:07 am
Camilla also broke up a dynastic marriage and ended up dragging the nation's reputation through the gutter. Kanga NEVER tried to break up the marriage despite her silliness and Kanga never would have deliberately undermined Diana (screwing PC as she was however). Camilla wasn't content to remain behind closed doors in the bedroom, she was putting herself in the center of Charles' life and disrupting his role as a married man and a public personality.


Title: Re: Will Camilla be Queen?
Post by: Tatiana on September 20, 2016, 08:28:05 pm
  Agree with Kuei Fei, Kanga also went to The Queen and told her about Camilla and Charles carrying on behind Diana's back.


Title: Re: Will Camilla be Queen?
Post by: Alexandrine on September 21, 2016, 07:57:20 pm
So first Charles lies about Camilla not being queen.

Second they are not even married in the eyes of the church he is going to be leader of.

And third I have my doubts that they are even married legally.

And Camilla can be a great queen/support of Charles?!  :TCP:


Title: Re: Will Camilla be Queen?
Post by: Kuei Fei on September 21, 2016, 08:21:06 pm
^Throw in the fact that Charles vowed never to remarry after his divorce.


Title: Re: Will Camilla be Queen?
Post by: leogirl on September 22, 2016, 01:15:41 am
They're not married in the eyes of the C of E?  :-

I know they wouldn't be able to be married in some Christian denominations because APB is still living (cannot have two living spouses). Also, adultery could be seen as an impediment. I know in Monaco for example, children born as a result of adultery cannot be legitimized even if their parents marry afterwards.


Title: Re: Will Camilla be Queen?
Post by: Kuei Fei on September 22, 2016, 01:41:46 am
Can't she just be content with being his wife for once? Why be Queen?


Title: Re: Will Camilla be Queen?
Post by: sandy on September 22, 2016, 03:36:07 am
I think she enjoys the perks and attention and the bling.


Title: Re: Will Camilla be Queen?
Post by: leogirl on September 22, 2016, 05:35:26 am
And to rub it in people's faces, especially Diana fans, that she is now queen. Remember when Henry VIII married his mistress Anne Boleyn and they had banners with their initials on them, but it looked like it was someone saying HA HA HA HA marching down the street.  bignono


Title: Re: Will Camilla be Queen?
Post by: cate1949 on September 22, 2016, 07:01:38 pm
I really do not think she will be Queen - it seems to me this is all about Charles and his desire to justify his choices.  Plus - there is every reason to think the Queen will match her mother's life span or exceed it.  So it may yet be another 10 + years at which point Cam will be 70 ish.  She is not the healthiest of women either - back problems, long time smoker.



Title: Re: Will Camilla be Queen?
Post by: leogirl on September 22, 2016, 09:51:09 pm
^ Camilla was born in 1947, meaning she'll be 70 next year. In 10+ years she will be 80. With her smoking habits and bad health, she might not be queen after all if HM outlives her.


Title: Re: Will Camilla be Queen?
Post by: Tatiana on September 23, 2016, 02:02:46 am
  All the public support for the monarchy will be gone 15 minutes after The Queen's funeral is over.   Then we shall see what happens if he foists his mistress on us.


Title: Re: Will Camilla be Queen?
Post by: Kuei Fei on September 23, 2016, 05:13:06 am
I wonder if Charles will in fact sit his former mistress on the Throne and basically demand that the high aristocracy kowtow to Camilla and force other Queen Consorts to receive her as an equal. Just think, Camilla on titled par with Queen Jetsun and the Empress of Japan.

And to rub it in people's faces, especially Diana fans, that she is now queen. Remember when Henry VIII married his mistress Anne Boleyn and they had banners with their initials on them, but it looked like it was someone saying HA HA HA HA marching down the street.

Camilla has much in common with Anne, when you think about it. Part of the court, members of ambitious families, and both overthrew the wife.


Title: Re: Will Camilla be Queen?
Post by: leogirl on September 23, 2016, 07:19:04 am
Didn't certain royal wives refuse to receive Anne Boleyn as queen? Maybe the same thing will happen to queen Camilla.


Title: Re: Will Camilla be Queen?
Post by: cate1949 on September 23, 2016, 08:35:04 am
well other Queens have already had to deal with Cam - she has gone on visits to other countries -

Not so sure I'd compare Cam with Anne B - Boleyn was young and pregnant when Henry finally married her.  He was so desperate for a son and heir - so a pregnant Anne finally got him. 


Title: Re: Will Camilla be Queen?
Post by: Kuei Fei on September 23, 2016, 11:59:49 am
Didn't certain royal wives refuse to receive Anne Boleyn as queen? Maybe the same thing will happen to queen Camilla.

Anne wasn't yet crowned Queen or Henry's wife, so the wives were not required to meet with her if they did not wish to. Queen Eleanor (the second wife of Francois I and Henry's contemporary) and Francois' sister refused to greet Anne when Henry and Anne traveled to Calais. When Anne was Queen, there was a  scheduled trip to France, but it was canceled. If it had come through, Anne would have been received as a Queen, this greeted by the Queen of France and Francois' sister whether they liked it or not. As for Camilla, I think there will be problems since with the Arabs, back-history is EVERYTHING to them. By official protocol she would be Queen Consort and entitled to the courtesy and respect; unfortunately the real issue would be the kind of belief that it would be an insult for the virtuous wife of a King to receive so notorious a woman.


Title: Re: Will Camilla be Queen?
Post by: beline on September 23, 2016, 12:15:38 pm
Didn't certain royal wives refuse to receive Anne Boleyn as queen? Maybe the same thing will happen to queen Camilla.

Henry VIII's younger sister Mary disliked Anne. Mary was a former Queen of France (though her marriage to Louis XII lasted only three months because her husband Louis XII died).
Mary died on 25 June 1533, right after Anne was crowned on June 1st. So no time for real catfight.


Title: Re: Will Camilla be Queen?
Post by: YooperModerator on September 23, 2016, 01:33:57 pm
Because the monarchy is obviously not a democratic system, merit has no bearing on who gets what title.


Title: Re: Will Camilla be Queen?
Post by: Alexandrine on September 23, 2016, 02:29:10 pm
That is the problem. Why should you get a representative if you cannot choose?


Title: Re: Will Camilla be Queen?
Post by: Kuei Fei on September 23, 2016, 09:12:44 pm
In the past, it was the one who paid the highest price was the one who rose to the top. Royals married for as much convenience to their countries as possible and it was common knowledge that princesses were kept strictly guarded so their virtue was unquestioned. Royal wives HAD to have unblemished pasts and it was just the way things were. A mistress remained a mistress and that was that. No mistress might have liked the royal wife or even respected the wife (as was rampant in the French court), but the mistress didn't have the right to toss off the wife and end up Queen. Anne Boleyn did and since the day she married Henry, she was even more insecure than she was as mistress. Charles has never stopped wanting more than what he was already blessed with and frankly he had no business marrying the woman who destroyed a dynastic marriage.


Title: Re: Will Camilla be Queen?
Post by: Alexandrine on October 07, 2016, 09:36:10 am
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/debate/article-3826230/Operation-Golden-Orb-battle-make-Camilla-Queen-CHRISTOPHER-WILSON-explains-Charles-s-coronation-one-trickiest-state-occasions-decades.html

Uuuh strange article on Camz being queen or not


Title: Re: Will Camilla be Queen?
Post by: cate1949 on October 07, 2016, 11:35:13 am
^ yes they bring up an intriguing legal point about the validity of the marriage given the whole Head of the Church thing.

If Charles is wise - he will stick to his original promise that Cam would be princess consort - there is no shame in that as his own father was a prince consort.  A bit more modern so to speak in that the monarch's spouse is treated the same regardless of gender.  Of course that might have interesting implications for Kate - would she then be a princess consort to instead of Queen consort?  If the standard is that a male spouse cannot be King consort  then equality would require the same for a female spouse - cannot be Queen.

I suspect Charles wants her to be Queen not out of devotion to Cam but rather because it then justifies what he did - it legitimates his actions.  But as I said - he would be wise to back down on this because he does not need the controversy at the time he becomes King.
Charles need to realize he cannot always have his way.


Title: Re: Will Camilla be Queen?
Post by: Alexandrine on October 07, 2016, 11:53:50 am
Not because of the legal matter because it is already known but why talk abou this now?


Title: Re: Will Camilla be Queen?
Post by: leogirl on October 07, 2016, 11:43:22 pm
HM may be 90, but her mum lived to be 101, and HM is not ill or anything as far as we know. Very strange to have this article released. Maybe someone told them to write this article because they are testing the waters to see if Camilla is accepted yet?


Title: Re: Will Camilla be Queen?
Post by: cate1949 on October 08, 2016, 02:50:22 am
^it is filler


Title: Re: Will Camilla be Queen?
Post by: meememe on October 08, 2016, 05:02:34 am
The story about plans for things like 'coronations' and 'funerals' emerge every few years.

The Duke of Norfolk does regular updates of these plans so they are ready to go as soon as the time arises.

Will Camilla be 'Queen'? Yes

Will Camilla use the title 'Queen'? That is still to be seen.

Of course she will be Queen - just as she is currently Princess of Wales. Whether she uses that title is a matter for the future as it will take legislation to strip her of that title and then LPs to create some knew title for her - and that can't be done until after The Queen's funeral.


Title: Re: Will Camilla be Queen?
Post by: Alexandrine on October 08, 2016, 08:02:36 am
If you believe they are legally married. I do not.


Title: Re: Will Camilla be Queen?
Post by: meememe on October 08, 2016, 08:29:34 am
I do believe they are legally married for the simple reason I do not believe the Archbishop of Canterbury or the Supreme Governor of the Church of England would have been involved in a blessing for a marriage if it wasn't legal. They would have had the best advice on that issue and ensured that what needed to be done for a legal marriage was done. I can see that if the Archbishop had any doubts about the legality of the civil wedding then he would have advised Charles to either marry in a CoE service or in Scotland. He didn't do so and so he believes they were legally married.

The HRA overrules all other legislation if that legislation denies anyone the same rights as other people - hence why Charles could legally marry in a Civil ceremony in 2005 but not earlier.


Title: Re: Will Camilla be Queen?
Post by: Alexandrine on October 08, 2016, 12:24:56 pm
HRA allows unelected head of state and discrimination of women on royal and aristocratic inheritance.

And that the establishment accepted it does not mean it is legal. Charles wanted to marry and he is going to be head of the church. The least they could is a blessing if they were going to marry even if experts disagreed. Who is going to complain about this? This is why I find this article strange and that Charles will try and get Camilla the queen title.


Title: Re: Will Camilla be Queen?
Post by: sandy on October 08, 2016, 01:04:26 pm
What Charles wants Charles gets. Even if it is illegal, Charles will do what he wants no matter what.


Title: Re: Will Camilla be Queen?
Post by: gingerboy24 on October 08, 2016, 01:09:06 pm
I do not think the marriage is legal.  Details of it their "marriage" are not for released for such a long time, much longer than is normal, so that tells me something is wrong with the situation.  I did read somewhere that is was only a blessing hyped up to be a wedding, but never really took a lot of notice at the time.  Definitely something wrong with the whole situation, which is why I think it is not legal.

As has been said, what chucky wants he gets, and "mummy" helps him, just like she got randy andy´s alleged paedophile allegations dismissed, and then rewareded him with a gong of some sort, another one he did not earn.  She can get anything through anywhere, and she does.  Another reason why I think there is something mega odd about council cath still being in the rf  -  if they want shot of her they can do it, or at least HM can.  Smell a big dirty rat on that and chucky´s alleged "marriage".  Basically HM sings from her own personal hymn sheet, whatever they want they get, by fair means or foul.


Title: Re: Will Camilla be Queen?
Post by: india on October 08, 2016, 01:39:53 pm
I think you are on to something GB.


Title: Re: Will Camilla be Queen?
Post by: Val on October 08, 2016, 03:49:18 pm
^^

At least with the Internet much comes out and goes viral.   Difficult to keep anything under wraps these days.  Word out that the RF intensely dislike the Internet for that reason.  Bit off topic but look how their very close connections to Jimmy Saville were swept under the carpet with indecent haste!  Re Cam I don't think she really cares about legalities as long as she is at Chaz's side and in his bed!


Title: Re: Will Camilla be Queen?
Post by: HRHOlya on October 08, 2016, 06:52:49 pm
Very interesting, was never aware that Chuck's and Camz's marriage might not be legal, but then I also started watching them more closely fairly recently. They are in deeper shizz than I thought then! The next two heirs are really the final nails in the monarchy's coffin! Don't get why he had to marry Camz, they could have lived in sin, wouldn't be new to them and they'd be together all the time anyway as they are now, only Camz wouldn't have the "burden" of engagements and all that.. Between Chuck & Bill and Camz & Waity I really don't know who's worse.. Only Chuck has a good work ethic so can't begrudge him all too much..
These articles also pop up as others noted because they want to see what the general public thinks on such matters, best way to test it.
They also leak stuff themselves for the same reason. They used to leak to The Sun for instance and the fact that those articles are often dismissed because no one takes that paper seriously is all the more reason why they use it.


Title: Re: Will Camilla be Queen?
Post by: marion on October 08, 2016, 08:03:00 pm
^^Yuk...last place I'd  want to be!!  :shy: :o :o


Title: Re: Will Camilla be Queen?
Post by: Kuei Fei on October 08, 2016, 10:52:34 pm
Why couldn't she just have remained the mistress and not pushed to be the wife?


Title: Re: Will Camilla be Queen?
Post by: sandy on October 09, 2016, 12:01:09 am
I think he felt obligated to marry her because he outed her as mistress. Her husband divorced her and her father confronted him. And he also had the "great love" spin going rewriting history since he had other women in his life, even keeping Janet Jenkins on the side while he was being "faithful" to Camilla. He had to try to justify their behavior. Diana also is painted as being "mad" and his minion Penny Junor wrote Diana "drove him" to Camilla (ignoring that Charles was involved with Camilla before he even dated Diana). Also there was the threat of the investigation of his finances and he soon after produced the engagement ring and announced the engagement.


Title: Re: Will Camilla be Queen?
Post by: HennyPenny on October 09, 2016, 01:01:59 am

^ I know this is :BOT:, but I am curious to know, why were they  going to investigate his finances?


Title: Re: Will Camilla be Queen?
Post by: sandy on October 09, 2016, 01:48:21 am
Here is a link:

https://www.theguardian.com/uk/2005/jan/30/monarchy.immigrationpolicy1


Title: Re: Will Camilla be Queen?
Post by: HennyPenny on October 09, 2016, 04:07:23 am


 Very informative .. Thanks Sandy  :hi: :hi:


Title: Re: Will Camilla be Queen?
Post by: Tatiana on October 09, 2016, 11:16:04 pm
  She cannot be Queen Consort, she and Charles married in a registry office, the Queen did not attend.   They had a short blessing by Archbishop, but were not married in the C of E.  Apart from that, her first husband is still alive.   Last but not least,  the majority of Britons do not wish her to be Queen Consort.


Title: Re: Will Camilla be Queen?
Post by: Joanna on October 16, 2016, 11:44:41 am
^All that sounds really strange, a blessing by the Archbishop instead of marriage... forgive me my ignorance but can't divorcees re-marry in the Church of England?  :shy:
I guess the Queen must've feared public backlash if she were to attend the wedding of her son with his former mistress, especially one who contributed so much to the popularity lows they've experienced during the so called War of the Waleses.
Personally I think that Camilla is going to be Princess Consort just like she is Duchess of Cornwall (instead of flauting the title that still belongs to her, the Princess of Wales) because the public wouldn't take kindly to Camilla being the Queen and the Monarchy right now needs all the help it can get to remain existing.


Title: Re: Will Camilla be Queen?
Post by: meememe on October 16, 2016, 12:29:19 pm
Divorcees can remarry in the Church of England, unless in the opinion of the minister the couple caused the breakdown of the previous marriage/s.

How much Camilla may have contributed to the breakdown of Charles and Diana's marriage will be debated forever. How much Charles contributed to the breakdown of Camilla and Andrew's marriage will cause less debate.

The Archbishop of Canterbury probably thought there would be a great deal of backlash if he agreed to marry them in a church service (although my own vicar said he would have had no trouble doing so and he too was Church of England. Other CoE vicars I have spoken to have said that they too would have had no problem marrying Charles and Camilla in a church although some have said that they wouldn't do so - that is why it isn't as clear as 'they are divorced so can't remarry in the church' as it is down to the individual vicar).

The Archbishop blessed their marriage and the service was, in reality, a de facto marriage service anyway. They made vows to love each other, they admitted their faults in the general confession of the CoE (unlike the Roman Catholics, who have confession as part of their regular rituals, admitting sins and asking for forgiveness is a private matter between the person and God only).


Title: Re: Will Camilla be Queen?
Post by: marion on October 16, 2016, 02:30:43 pm
A marriage in a registrar office is legal in the UK so whether we like it or not Camilla wil be Queen Consort if PC outlives ER and becomes King.  Whether she is called Queen Consort is another matter 


Title: Re: Will Camilla be Queen?
Post by: Alexandrine on October 16, 2016, 03:24:19 pm
No one is questioning the legality of the civil marriage in UK. Charles is not a normal person and so he also has to follow special rules. One of these is to marry in an anglican church service. And he didn't. The argument given at that time is that because of the human rights act he has a right to marry and then he got marry in a civil ceremony. Is that enough to marry for him and make Camilla queen?

This is the question that has different answers depends on who you ask. Meememe considers that yes it's ok according to the law and Charles is legally married and Camilla has the right to be queen. Then there is me who thinks that Charles may or may not be married but Camilla doesn't have a right to be queen according to UK law.

https://www.theguardian.com/uk/2005/feb/24/constitution.monarchy

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/1484199/Charles-and-Camillas-wedding-will-be-legal.html

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1265095/Charles--Camilla-marriage-Legal-advice-sealed-Princes-death.html


Title: Re: Will Camilla be Queen?
Post by: india on October 16, 2016, 05:35:37 pm
well, whatever it is: she is his wife and they will remain married.


Title: Re: Will Camilla be Queen?
Post by: Kuei Fei on October 16, 2016, 06:22:05 pm
She shouldn't be Queen. Charles is a prince, not an ordinary man and as he's demonstrated, he doesn't think the rues of ordinary men apply to him. So naturally, this means that according to martial law as a prince, he is not legally married to Camilla and he is not entitled to have her crowned.


Title: Re: Will Camilla be Queen?
Post by: marion on October 16, 2016, 07:15:32 pm
^^And I bet she will be Queen Consort


Title: Re: Will Camilla be Queen?
Post by: michelle0187 on October 16, 2016, 09:06:46 pm
^ yeah he's just gonna stick his fingers in his large ears when the public express their disdain for giving her the title.


Title: Re: Will Camilla be Queen?
Post by: sandy on October 16, 2016, 10:45:19 pm
Divorcees can remarry in the Church of England, unless in the opinion of the minister the couple caused the breakdown of the previous marriage/s.

How much Camilla may have contributed to the breakdown of Charles and Diana's marriage will be debated forever. How much Charles contributed to the breakdown of Camilla and Andrew's marriage will cause less debate.

The Archbishop of Canterbury probably thought there would be a great deal of backlash if he agreed to marry them in a church service (although my own vicar said he would have had no trouble doing so and he too was Church of England. Other CoE vicars I have spoken to have said that they too would have had no problem marrying Charles and Camilla in a church although some have said that they wouldn't do so - that is why it isn't as clear as 'they are divorced so can't remarry in the church' as it is down to the individual vicar).

The Archbishop blessed their marriage and the service was, in reality, a de facto marriage service anyway. They made vows to love each other, they admitted their faults in the general confession of the CoE (unlike the Roman Catholics, who have confession as part of their regular rituals, admitting sins and asking for forgiveness is a private matter between the person and God only).

Since Charles admitted adultery with Camilla and told his biographer of the times of his involvement with her, yes Camilla did contribute indeed to the breakdown of Charles and Diana's marriage. She went to the Sun Editor for ten years to give "her side" of the story. Charles stayed in contact with her. To me there is absolutely no question that she contributed to the breakdown of the C and C marriage. She even masterminded the courtship inviting Charles and Diana to the home she shared with APB, for weekends. Apparently APB was "OK" with Camilla being with Charles and was "civilized" about it. He did get a divorce after Charles outed his wife. Having it an "open secret" was apparently OK with him but with Charles making it public, that is something APB would put up with.

I don't think C and C were the least bit sorry since their friends and sympathizers to this day trash Diana. And Camilla apparently thought there was nothing wrong with her attending Diana's memorial service, until she was stopped by public opinion.

I think in this case what Charles wants Charles gets. Camilla indeed contributed to the problems in the Wales marriage. IMO. Big TIme.


Title: Re: Will Camilla be Queen?
Post by: Kuei Fei on October 16, 2016, 10:50:02 pm
Is there some kind of late developed mental defect when it comes to these princes these days? Instead of just keeping her as a mistress, he decides to marry her in a civil ceremony with a morganatic title that doesn't really exist, while planning to have her crowned despite not being married in a church, with high mass and other accoutrements. So really, a new legal twist that is similar to that of how Henry VIII's heirs (excepting Edward) faced legal challenges to their right to sit on the throne.


Title: Re: Will Camilla be Queen?
Post by: meememe on October 17, 2016, 08:19:46 am
What do you mean by a 'morganatic title that doesn't really exist'?

Camilla's current title is HRH The Princess of Wales, Countess of Chester, Duchess of Cornwall, Duchess of Rothesay and a number of other titles in Scotland.

The only one of these titles she hasn't used is Princess of Wales.

Charles' primary title from February 1952 until 1958 was HRH The Duke of Cornwall. He held that title automatically the instant his mother became The Queen and just as William will become Duke of Cornwall the instant the Queen dies.

Nothing 'morganatic' about the Duchess of Cornwall title at all.


Title: Re: Will Camilla be Queen?
Post by: leogirl on October 17, 2016, 09:39:25 am
^ Princess consort doesn't exist. It's queen consort but the people will not accept her as queen, and they shouldn't.


Title: Re: Will Camilla be Queen?
Post by: Joanna on October 17, 2016, 10:33:12 am
Thank you for elucidating me. I don't dispute the legality of their marriage, I just still find it weird that they didn't have a religious marriage ceremony and had a blessing instead. It still seems very contradicting, because given the nature of the former relationship between Charles and Camilla they couldn't get married as this went against the Church of England's laws, theological theories and all, yet a blessing of said union was ok? It seems to me that they're having it both ways.


Title: Re: Will Camilla be Queen?
Post by: Alexandrine on October 17, 2016, 10:47:30 am
And the best of all is that he is going to be the head of the church...


Title: Re: Will Camilla be Queen?
Post by: marion on October 17, 2016, 10:48:50 am
^^ Yup, it's called "Having your cake and eating it".  What Charles wants Charles gets IMHO unless whoever conducts the Coronation refuses to crown Camilla Queen Consort.  

Whatever happens, C's Coronation will reopen this discussion big time in the MSM and will dog them for years to come - it's called Karma and can be such a bi**h

^ C will be Supreme Governor of the CoE and Defender of the Faith: The Archbishop of Canterbury is the Primate of the CoE
https://www.google.co.uk/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=3&cad=rja&uact=8&ved=0ahUKEwiQtLuHyOHPAhXhAsAKHVwCBtIQFggrMAI&url=https%3A%2F%2Fen.wikipedia.org%2Fwiki%2FChurch_of_England&usg=AFQjCNEbQVWcs7PShRK4CF5gMW_ggQ71hw&bvm=bv.135974163,d.bGs


Title: Re: Will Camilla be Queen?
Post by: india on October 17, 2016, 12:00:12 pm
Since no one wants Camilla to be queen, what do you want her to be or do?


Title: Re: Will Camilla be Queen?
Post by: Kuei Fei on October 17, 2016, 06:57:18 pm
Just stay in the background and not cause trouble; frankly I believe that there is a huge chance that Camilla as Queen will tick off a ton of people. If Charles had not married Camilla and been allowed to shower her with the perks and prerogatives of being a mistress, she would still be a mistress.


Title: Re: Will Camilla be Queen?
Post by: sandy on October 17, 2016, 07:24:01 pm
Charles also publicly outed her which was never done by royal princes. It forced the Parker Bowles divorce. When Wallis got her divorce from Mr Simpson, it was her husband who took the blame, even a co-respondent was hired for him so she could be the "innocent party."  Edward VIII never went to the media and talked about their affair--only after he abdicated he talked publicly about her (and after her divorce) as the "woman he loved."


Title: Re: Will Camilla be Queen?
Post by: dianab on October 18, 2016, 08:34:48 pm
different times ... just saying

ie. What princess before Diana dared out her unhappiness and the mistress of her husband? I'm glad for her which she did what she did... So Charles has the same rights to tell his story... to confirm the claims of his wife

BTW the CoE is nothing but a hypocrisy ... it was created because the king wanted to divorce his wife/marry another woman. All controversy around as Walis as Peter T makes the whole thing (the Church) even far more hypocrite


Title: Re: Will Camilla be Queen?
Post by: Kuei Fei on October 18, 2016, 08:49:33 pm
In my view, if someone becomes a man's mistress, she has no business asking for privacy or respect. I'm amazed at how a WWII veteran who was Townsend was considered not good enough for that snotty family despite his not being at fault during his divorce. As for Wallis, don't get me started. She caught the eye of a King and for some reason she was crucified just because she had previous marriages. Thing is, Wallis' first husband was an abusive drunk who almost killed her before she made that break from him and she did the right thing in saving herself. As for the second, HE left HER and so she wasn't at fault over that either. So what if she was Edward's mistress? At least Edward wasn't married. The way the BRF goes on about so much, you would think that they actually OFFERED something substantial to women who married in other than headaches.


Title: Re: Will Camilla be Queen?
Post by: sandy on October 18, 2016, 08:55:53 pm
different times ... just saying

ie. What princess before Diana dared out her unhappiness and the mistress of her husband? I'm glad for her which she did what she did... So Charles has the same rights to tell his story... to confirm the claims of his wife

BTW the CoE is nothing but a hypocrisy ... it was created because the king wanted to divorce his wife/marry another woman. All controversy around as Walis as Peter T makes the whole thing (the Church) even far more hypocrite

The thing is though Morton never said in his book that Camilla was Charles' mistress. Just friend. People read between the lines. But the actual outing of Camilla as mistress was by Prince Charles himself and that forced the divorce. The royals even welcomed APB and Camilla at the time the Morton book was serialized. And Charles pals said C and C were "just friends."

And in reply to KF, Townsend was a whole lot better IMO than the one Margaret ended up marrying. 


Title: Re: Will Camilla be Queen?
Post by: dianab on October 18, 2016, 09:06:01 pm
In my view, if someone becomes a man's mistress, she has no business asking for privacy or respect. I'm amazed at how a WWII veteran who was Townsend was considered not good enough for that snotty family despite his not being at fault during his divorce. As for Wallis, don't get me started. She caught the eye of a King and for some reason she was crucified just because she had previous marriages. Thing is, Wallis' first husband was an abusive drunk who almost killed her before she made that break from him and she did the right thing in saving herself. As for the second, HE left HER and so she wasn't at fault over that either. So what if she was Edward's mistress? At least Edward wasn't married. The way the BRF goes on about so much, you would think that they actually OFFERED something substantial to women who married in other than headaches.

 :worship: :worship: :worship: :worship: to every word of this post


Title: Re: Will Camilla be Queen?
Post by: Kuei Fei on October 19, 2016, 12:11:10 am
different times ... just saying
ie. What princess before Diana dared out her unhappiness and the mistress of her husband? I'm glad for her which she did what she did... So Charles has the same rights to tell his story... to confirm the claims of his wife

BTW the CoE is nothing but a hypocrisy ... it was created because the king wanted to divorce his wife/marry another woman. All controversy around as Walis as Peter T makes the whole thing (the Church) even far more hypocrite
The thing is though Morton never said in his book that Camilla was Charles' mistress. Just friend. People read between the lines. But the actual outing of Camilla as mistress was by Prince Charles himself and that forced the divorce. The royals even welcomed APB and Camilla at the time the Morton book was serialized. And Charles pals said C and C were "just friends."

And in reply to KF, Townsend was a whole lot better IMO than the one Margaret ended up marrying.

You know, Snowdon took FULL advantage of Margaret and basically was eager to get a title and then later on started abusing Margaret to the point where yes, she took another lover. Then the jerk wanted out, so he made things worse and he got his precious divorce, which started making things worse for Margaret. if she'd married Townsend, he would have given Margaret twenty-five years of a happy marriage until dying of stomach cancer, probably a handful of children, and basically lived an on-track life that would have made Margret's life a happier ending.

The BRF has always in my view had impossible standards and expectations. First of all, they had Diana who fit the criteria, but treated her shabbily. Sick of how each time people meet their expectations, they treat it like it's their due, not a gift to be appreciated.


Title: Re: Will Camilla be Queen?
Post by: leogirl on October 19, 2016, 02:24:01 am
They need to treat their spouses as equals, not as someone who is beneath them because they were born into a "lower" social rank. It would make for happier marriages and it would be a better example for their kids to not treat people like dirt. Interesting that the continental royals aren't good enough for them... maybe because they couldn't treat their social equals like garbage?


Title: Re: Will Camilla be Queen?
Post by: Kuei Fei on October 19, 2016, 02:54:51 am
Thing is, the Windsors have made it clear that they disdain the Continental royal families and so it's no wonder the continentals don't practically arrange a match. Charles insulted the European royals in an interview when he described them as grander than the Windsors and it's not like the princes make an actual effort to get to know someone outside of the boozing circuit. neither harry or William do many receptions or banquets or make it a point to go to the annual events that they might otherwise go to. Interestingly, no one decent seems to WANT to marry into that family. You would think that sheiks and aristocrats from all over the planet would be parading their daughters at balls and receptions and garden parties and hosting events to attract the princes, but all of them seem determined that their daughters NOT have anything to do with that family.

With Camilla as Queen Consort, it'll only get impossible for anyone to WANT a relative of theirs in that family.


Title: Re: Will Camilla be Queen?
Post by: Rosella on October 19, 2016, 04:53:07 am
The Continental royal families have regular contact with their British counterparts. They all, including Far Eastern monarchs came to honour the Queen on her Jubilee. Odd if they ignore  the BRF so much.

Queen Beatrix of the Netherlands stayed at Windsor often with her daughter in law Mabel when her son was in hospital mortally ill. The Norwegian royals stay at Sandringham, there have been photos of Sonja there. Charles is reputedly quite close to his German cousins on Prince Philip's side and he and his family, including Camilla, have exchanged visits.

Ex King Juan Carlos of Spain calls the Queen Lilibet. His wife Queen Sophie is often in London and keeps contact. Queen Margrethe of Denmark adores the Queen and thinks she's a wonderful example, and has said so. Crown Princess Mary of Denmark was at Ascot this year with the Queen's party including Camilla. No sign in these examples of the BRF being disdained or ignored by Continental royals.

Charles was joking if he said the Continental royals were 'too grand' just as the Queen joked about Princess Michael of Kent being 'too grand for us!" (the BRF.)

Most of the European royals plus the Scandinavian ones have themselves married commoners (with the exception of the Belgians and the wife of Duke Gui of Luxembourg) and so if Harry met any people in the wives' circle they would be commoners.

Harry's regularly on the Continent, he's attended two weddings of German nobility in the past few months, with aristos as guests, and there have been photos to prove it. He was in Scandinavia only a few weekends ago. He pops up all over the place! As for his marrying a daughter of a Far Eastern ruler, how would the question of religion be solved? She would have to convert from Islam to Anglicanism which she and her family probably wouldn't want. Plus how would the other Kings react to such a marriage?


Title: Re: Will Camilla be Queen?
Post by: leogirl on October 19, 2016, 06:55:15 am
Yes, in Middle Eastern culture, the children take the father's religion. So they'd let a son marry a foreigner because it would mean the kids would be raised Muslim. But a daughter converting to Christianity? Kids being raised Christian? Not going to happen.


Title: Re: Will Camilla be Queen?
Post by: YooperModerator on October 19, 2016, 01:20:38 pm
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Title: Re: Will Camilla be Queen?
Post by: india on October 19, 2016, 05:56:28 pm
She will be princess consort if he has any sense.


Title: Re: Will Camilla be Queen?
Post by: marion on October 19, 2016, 06:40:56 pm
Yes but a big "if"


Title: Re: Will Camilla be Queen?
Post by: india on October 19, 2016, 06:49:40 pm
Huge if. He had better think long and hard about this. If he values the Monarchy. It would be mighty stupid to press his luck there.


Title: Re: Will Camilla be Queen?
Post by: Kuei Fei on October 19, 2016, 07:34:19 pm
Thing is, he isn't thinking like a prince and future King; he's thinking along the lines of an ordinary man and yet, ordinary men do not sit on thrones. For the life of me, I am sick of royals like him MOANING about how hard they have it in their persona lives; if not for his mess I am certain that someone like Mette-Marit or Kate would NEVER have become the wives of princes.


Title: Re: Will Camilla be Queen?
Post by: sandy on October 19, 2016, 09:18:50 pm
Charles also thinks he's "special" so I think that's why he had his cake and ate it too. He wanted the aristo wife and the heirs but have a mistress on the side. Although he was not "true" to Camilla being with lady Kanga and Janet Jenkins.


Title: Re: Will Camilla be Queen?
Post by: india on October 19, 2016, 11:18:06 pm
He really is a Whinny Woo Woo. And a narcissist to boot.


Title: Re: Will Camilla be Queen?
Post by: Stephanie on October 25, 2016, 10:17:49 pm
Yup here we go trying to build up the Wrinkly Homewrecker who looks older then HM.
Campon can only be seen as a supportive consort if she wants Chuck to be accepted as king IMO.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/femail/article-3872226/The-Duchess-Cornwall-looks-resplendent-tiered-dress-arrives-present-gong-Man-Booker-Prize-Awards.html


Title: Re: Will Camilla be Queen?
Post by: sandy on October 26, 2016, 01:17:19 am
She has scary smiles IMO and probably thinks that horrid dress looks good on her. Charles deserves someone like her.


Title: Re: Will Camilla be Queen?
Post by: Kuei Fei on October 26, 2016, 01:39:16 am
If she makes it to a coronation, I am certain she will be the first former mistress since Anne Boleyn to become Queen Consort.


Title: Re: Will Camilla be Queen?
Post by: YooperModerator on October 26, 2016, 01:46:53 am
^^ and ^^^ Come on, guys.  Off topic.  Thank you.  YM


Title: Re: Will Camilla be Queen?
Post by: leogirl on October 26, 2016, 07:20:52 am
Not a fan of either Anne Boleyn or Camilla Parker Bowles. :thumbsdown: to coronation/queenship


Title: Re: Will Camilla be Queen?
Post by: india on October 26, 2016, 01:21:45 pm
Whether or not she is Queen Consort or Princess Consort, she will do a great job. Now, I don't want everyone to get their knickers in a twist but you have to give the devil her due.


Title: Re: Will Camilla be Queen?
Post by: marion on October 26, 2016, 01:42:00 pm
I agree but if she has any snese she will not accept title of Queen Consort however much PC wants it as she will only lose what goodwill she has


Title: Re: Will Camilla be Queen?
Post by: Miss Hathaway on October 26, 2016, 04:26:25 pm
I think it is Charles' intention for Camilla to be queen.  Whether he can be talked out of this by advisors remains to be seen.


Title: Re: Will Camilla be Queen?
Post by: sandy on October 26, 2016, 07:09:10 pm
Whether or not she is Queen Consort or Princess Consort, she will do a great job. Now, I don't want everyone to get their knickers in a twist but you have to give the devil her due.

I would say she did get what she wanted by manipulating, undermining, and sleeping her way to the top. I don't see anything "Great" about her. She will do what she has to do. I would say the "devil" referenced is right.  But her manipulations does not mean everybody likes her to put it very mildly. NOt that she cares. She is very awkward in her appearances and the dress she chose for that book award was garish and she gawks at the cameras too much.  It is cringeworthy to me to see that woman giving out a book award. Where was Charles or William? Who should have presented the award. Camilla never seemed to be the scholarly type. Charles did not seek her out for that. It is also sickening to see her smirking as she wears the bling. I don't think that woman "never wanted anything." OF course she did. And she was ready to dance on Diana's grave so to speak by wanting to go to the Memorial Service in 2007. I think she's vile.


Title: Re: Will Camilla be Queen?
Post by: Kuei Fei on October 26, 2016, 08:24:19 pm
Camilla did what her 'illustrious' ancestress never could, literally drive the wife out and become consort. Keppel rightly didn't ever think such a thing could happen, but her descendant has managed it. If Camilla in fact does get crowned, she would likely cause the other consorts a lot of anxiety. It'll be their duty to welcome her to their countries as an equal and I believe it will in fact cause a lot of resentment, if not hatred.


Title: Re: Will Camilla be Queen?
Post by: india on October 27, 2016, 01:24:15 am
Yes, it will so that is why Charles needs to let her be his Princess Consort. He should not press his luck.


Title: Re: Will Camilla be Queen?
Post by: Kuei Fei on October 27, 2016, 01:33:59 am
I can't get over how Charles keeps pushing for more.

First he wanted Camilla in his life as a companion and mistress and vowed never to remarry.

Builds a lot of goodwill over the years and essentially stabilizes raising his sons.

Then he marries her in a civil ceremony, calling her Princess Consort, affecting the legitimacy of his marriage as Head of the COE. It will affect his ability to be considered a legitimate King of Britain and the Commonwealth and of course, cause issues for Camilla as well.

Now he's rebuilt some goodwill, but now wants to squander that on crowning Camilla at almost any cost.


Title: Re: Will Camilla be Queen?
Post by: CathyJane on October 27, 2016, 03:41:22 am
Chucky is an idiot pure and simple.


Title: Re: Will Camilla be Queen?
Post by: india on October 27, 2016, 04:33:09 pm
And we all know he is flat out weak and led around through the nose by his woman.


Title: Re: Will Camilla be Queen?
Post by: sandy on October 27, 2016, 11:27:12 pm
I'm not all that sure about how much"good will" Charles has built. He used his sons in his PR to promote Camilla. He should have attended to preparing William for his role instead of promoting Camilla.  William in essence had the Middletons as his parents and I doubt sees as much of his father. Harry has been scapegoated and labeled "bad Prince" but William I think is a lot more disappointing in how he turned out. I still think it embarrassing that he sent Camilla to present that book prize.


Title: Re: Will Camilla be Queen?
Post by: FrederickLouis on January 25, 2017, 10:42:05 pm
If Charles does succeed to the  throne, Camilla will be given the title of Queen. This will not be like the Queen Regnant title. Elizabeth II is a Queen Regnant.


Title: Re: Will Camilla be Queen?
Post by: Tatiana on January 27, 2017, 03:24:50 am
   Charles will be the death of the monarchy.

     He is not popular, and she is even less so.

      People have long memories, and have a sense of right and wrong.


Title: Re: Will Camilla be Queen?
Post by: Kuei Fei on January 29, 2017, 10:35:51 am
Chucky is an idiot pure and simple.

He's weak. His people sense it and the rest of the world leadership sense it.


Title: Re: Will Camilla be Queen?
Post by: Tatiana on February 03, 2017, 03:30:35 am
  He will be a figure head and will be of no account to world leaders.   He will insist on stating his naive opinions, and his "subjects" will get rid of him and his mistress.


Title: Re: Will Camilla be Queen?
Post by: Kuei Fei on February 03, 2017, 04:48:33 am
Thing is, Charles might be ornamental, but I have the bad bad bad feeling he's going to overstep the bounds in regards to trying to aggregate more power to himself and upset the status quo. This is what unnerves me about his promotion of Camilla; he can't just accept what he can get and be satisfied.


Title: Re: Will Camilla be Queen?
Post by: sandy on February 03, 2017, 04:16:48 pm
When he pushes Camilla and gives her hyperbolic buildup like she is "stunning" and "glamorous" in the DM  it is a turn off and only makes people recall how they got together. HE can't make everyone like her and needs to accept that. I think she should be more low key


Title: Re: Will Camilla be Queen?
Post by: Kuei Fei on February 03, 2017, 04:43:32 pm
I sincerely think that if Charles crowns and anoints Camilla, there will be a HUGE quiet backlash. No over rioting, but certainly, there would be a huge amount of hostility around the world. It would compel reigning monarchs to accept her as an equal and in the East/Middle East, it would be a huge offence.


Title: Re: Will Camilla be Queen?
Post by: Tatiana on February 04, 2017, 01:15:28 am
  The Constitution prevents Charles from having more "power".    The Monarchy is there due to the good will of the people, Charles does not have that.   no other royal family in the world  bow down to the British Monarchs... not many of them care really.  The Principality of Monaco might be the only one. 


Title: Re: Will Camilla be Queen?
Post by: Rosella on February 04, 2017, 01:28:35 am
^ Monarchies in general don't 'bow down' to each other. If you mean protocol-wise then Crown Princes and Princesses and other members of their family bow and curtsey to monarchs, including Queen Elizabeth, when they meet.

 When the Queen had her Diamond Jubilee every single monarchy in the world sent representatives to honour her achievement, including many other Kings and Queens, as well as those in Asia and the Middle East. There was a big lunch and cocktail party at BP for the occasion and it was filmed.


Title: Re: Will Camilla be Queen?
Post by: Alexandrine on February 04, 2017, 10:35:54 pm
I think she meant it metaphorically and I think she is right. There is some kind of myth like the UK monarchy is above the rest for some reason. Doubt that the real royals feels that way.


Title: Re: Will Camilla be Queen?
Post by: Kuei Fei on February 04, 2017, 10:47:24 pm
^ Monarchies in general don't 'bow down' to each other. If you mean protocol-wise then Crown Princes and Princesses and other members of their family bow and curtsey to monarchs, including Queen Elizabeth, when they meet.

 When the Queen had her Diamond Jubilee every single monarchy in the world sent representatives to honour her achievement, including many other Kings and Queens, as well as those in Asia and the Middle East. There was a big lunch and cocktail party at BP for the occasion and it was filmed.

Actually, what I mean, is that it will offend the sensibilities of those who will be required by protocol to curtsy/show deference to Camilla since Camilla would be a crowned and anoninted Queen.

When Henry VIII went crazy over Anne Boleyn, there was a trip to France where Henry would informally present Anne as his future wife.

HOWEVER:

Since Anne was not officially crowned, none of the female French royals could be pressured to meet Anne (or forced) since Anne was not officially married and as a result, wasn't Queen and entitled to company and homage.

The women in the French court were offended that they were expected to treat Anne with any deference and didn't want to be seen as a friend to a woman who was notorious worldwide for having broken up a marriage between a King and Queen.

Camilla might be officially recognized and given homage, but it will cause major resentment that the virtuous wives and daughters will be seen deferring to such a notorious woman. I'm talking about how the other royals and power players of the world will think and feel about this.

There is a reason Duchess Kate has not yet been welcomed to China. The President has gone to the UK, but as a guest of HM, not a guest of Duchess Kate.


Title: Re: Will Camilla be Queen?
Post by: Alexandrine on February 04, 2017, 11:17:19 pm
^ that was like 500 years ago. Things have changed. Royals even marry commoners and they do not have arranged marriages.

Also the president of China will never be hosted by Kate until she is queen ane even then it would be William the host. I really do not get this part of your post.


Title: Re: Will Camilla be Queen?
Post by: sandy on February 05, 2017, 12:09:13 am
Arranged marriages were often with princesses from other royal houses. Back then the monarch (like Henry VIII) did not have sex with the wife and during pregnancies of the wife, sought comfort elsewhere. But that was centuries ago. It was still looked down upon for Henry to ditch his royal in her own first wife for Anne Boleyn. It was also looked down upon centuries later (by some, percentages not known) that Charles married the mistress who was a factor in his first marriage breakup. Diana and Charles did not have an "arranged" marriage like matches were made between princes and princesses of royal houses. It was not arranged as far as Diana was concerned. But let's say it was a classic "arranged" marriage with both families signing contracts and the Spencers offering a dowry and so on. It would still IMO not have given Charles carte blanche to cheat. Women who are commoners or aristo should not have to put up with a philandering spouse.


Title: Re: Will Camilla be Queen?
Post by: Tatiana on February 06, 2017, 12:51:15 am
   No matter the poll,  she is always at the back of the pack,  so NO.

    Diana and Charles was not an "arranged marriage" , but both grandmothers pushed for it.

       Since King George V and George VI, and Victoria and Albert before,  the British expect better behaviour from their RF.


Title: Re: Will Camilla be Queen?
Post by: Alexandrine on February 06, 2017, 07:41:13 pm
I agree that the british public may not like her. But every RF has its own problems so they will not be bothered about Camilla.


Title: Re: Will Camilla be Queen?
Post by: FrederickLouis on February 06, 2017, 11:24:20 pm
Do you believe that if his grandmother Queen Elizabeth The Queen Mother had lived for many more years, would Prince Charles have married Camilla when he did?


Title: Re: Will Camilla be Queen?
Post by: Alexandrine on February 06, 2017, 11:32:27 pm
No.


Title: Re: Will Camilla be Queen?
Post by: Demeter on February 07, 2017, 12:06:55 am
If the QM were still around there would be a lot of people that would have never made it past the gates. Didn't the QM really dislike Camilla?


Title: Re: Will Camilla be Queen?
Post by: sandy on February 07, 2017, 12:16:58 am
The QM did not consider Camilla a threat when she was "safely" married but once the PBs divorced she saw her as a problem for the monarchy. The QM did not want a C and C marriage while she was still around.


Title: Re: Will Camilla be Queen?
Post by: Kuei Fei on February 07, 2017, 01:08:45 am
The Queen Mother lived through the abdication and I do think at this point in time, that the Queen Mother would have made sure it was Camilla in that car in Paris and not Diana if QM had had any idea of the reality of Charles marrying Camilla. The QM came from a time when mistresses NEVER became wives and it was the right of the wife to be safe and secure that no mistress would dare break up a marriage, especially in royal circles.


Title: Re: Will Camilla be Queen?
Post by: india on February 07, 2017, 05:07:56 pm
The QM would never allow PC to marry Camilla. Nor would she have allowed Willy Boy to marry the Idiot Potato Head. She also would have made mince meat out of The Viper. I wish she were alive because all of it would be so fun to watch.


Title: Re: Will Camilla be Queen?
Post by: leogirl on February 09, 2017, 04:26:46 am
I don't think women who come from cultures where they're expected to be either virgins or widowed when they marry are going to like the glorification of a woman who openly destroyed her husband's first marriage as a mistress. Heck, even western women generally aren't fans of adultery. Calling Camilla queen would be a disgrace, just as Anne Boleyn as queen was a disgrace.  :thumbsdown:


Title: Re: Will Camilla be Queen?
Post by: india on February 09, 2017, 04:03:27 pm
I would take Camilla as Queen a million times over The Stalking Flashing Lying Lazy Illiterate Gurning *fool* Potato Head.


Title: Re: Will Camilla be Queen?
Post by: Kuei Fei on February 09, 2017, 05:00:03 pm
Sowmilla is the reason Kate got in; because that wench (Camilla) got the wedding ring and Charles lost all moral authority over his son, Kate managed to use that to first get William back  (by playing the card that she Kate might be the true love of his life, the one that got away, like Camilla) and landed the ring. It will be great to enjoy bashing Kate and making Camilla look preferred, but Camilla set the precedent. If Camilla hadn't broken up that marriage (or at least NOT gotten the ring) then Kate wouldn't have been able to get past university with William mainly since Diana would either still be married to Charles or at least Charles would be able to put his foot down and get it through his son's head that Kate was nothing but trouble and would continue to be trouble.


Title: Re: Will Camilla be Queen?
Post by: sandy on February 09, 2017, 06:46:39 pm
I would take Camilla as Queen a million times over The Stalking Flashing Lying Lazy Illiterate Gurning *fool* Potato Head.

I would not take Camilla as Queen. Period. And I don't like Kate either. The best thing that could happen to Kate (or the worst as far as she's concerned) is if she is given a full plate of duties and no perks or vacations until she completes all of them within a certain time period.

Camilla was the one who lowered the bar for royal consorts. She undermined the wife and was with Charles and Diana every step of the way (from the time she hosted Lady Diana at her home). I see her as a snake. If Charles had not married the mistress (other woman), Kate would have had a much tougher chance of joining the royal family. In 2007, William had a chance to break up but with Kate's media campaign and tabs like Hello begging William to take her back, Kate got the upper hand and WIll wimped out.


Title: Re: Will Camilla be Queen?
Post by: Demeter on February 11, 2017, 02:16:56 am
The general feeling I get is that people simply will not, as they do not, respect her. I know they tout her future role as Princess Consort but Charles may change his tune on that... It's a feeling, though. I'm not speaking from a place of fact, just perceptions.


Title: Re: Will Camilla be Queen?
Post by: Kuei Fei on February 11, 2017, 03:06:52 am
I wouldn't trust Charles as far as I could throw him. In no way would anyone with any common sense trust his word; he promised never to remarry and he told the public (and his wife) that Camilla was just a friend in his set, nothing more. I honestly think the reason Andrew PB ended up letting Charles get his way is because APB knew that it wouldn't be just Charles taking a shot at him, but Camilla would as well if he objected to Camilla remarrying. Nothing would be allowed to interfere with his goal of marrying Camilla and nothing would be allowed to interfere with Camilla's goal of being a consort after being a mistress.


Title: Re: Will Camilla be Queen?
Post by: Demeter on February 11, 2017, 03:53:20 am
Which frankly says quite a lot about PC. Only she knows all the things that went into her goal of being Charles's acknowledged wife and consort, though the public at large knows quite a lot. I may be a stodgy old fool, but I think it would be very hard to hold your head up, appearing on a man's arm, knowing what you did to bag him and to appear there with pride, knowing what he did to his wife.

That said, they probably see themselves as a Romeo and Juliet that avoided the poison's sting and think about what a pair of clever clogs they are. I say for as much as she enjoyed playing mistress of Diana's home, she will enjoy being queen, no matter the name they plasterboard over it.



Title: Re: Will Camilla be Queen?
Post by: sandy on February 11, 2017, 08:23:23 pm
Charles felt IMO he had to try to whitewash out the sordidness and created the "Great Love Spin" but he contradicted it in his talks to his biographer Dimbleby. He never even thought of marrying her way back when saying he was "too young" to get married. He did not even bother to tell her they had a future or to wait for him. I don't think everybody buys the whitewashing. To say the least. Camilla appears to have no shame and she would put down Diana in letters that became public domain. She appears to particularly savor wearing all the bling.


Title: Re: Will Camilla be Queen?
Post by: leogirl on February 12, 2017, 02:52:21 am
"Too young to marry" means "I want to sleep around some more."

Charles was born in 1948, which means he was in his 20's during the 1970's... not too young to marry. He wasn't a teenager still in secondary school.

Camilla is a year older than Charles, so it's not like she was 16 when they dated in the 70's so they couldn't get married because she was too young.

Interesting that Diana was engaged at 19 and turned 20 just before their wedding, and yet she wasn't considered "too young to marry."

And how do they explain Camilla's marriage to ABP? PC was still single, why not marry him or campaign for approval to marry then? He couldn't marry her because she wasn't a virgin? It was the 1970's. I think the public would have accepted her and been on his side if he stood by her and said, "I love her and want to marry her." The public accepted Peter Townsend and he was divorced (wife left him); Camilla had never been married at all at that point.

Very strange "whitewashing" going on. The story they're trying to sell simply doesn't make sense.  :-


Title: Re: Will Camilla be Queen?
Post by: Tatiana on February 13, 2017, 08:17:48 pm
  The "one true love" doesn't ring true either.  Charles was seeing many other women whilst seeing Camilla.  She was not his only married mistress later on either.   He said Kanga was the only woman who understood him.  Kanga became a real friend to Diana, and once let the Queen know that Charles was sleeping with Camilla behind Diana's back.


Title: Re: Will Camilla be Queen?
Post by: india on February 13, 2017, 09:48:32 pm
^ Yes, and we all saw what happened to Kanga.


Title: Re: Will Camilla be Queen?
Post by: sandy on February 15, 2017, 02:09:30 am
Camilla went to speak to abused women on an appearance today. I find it really pathetic that of all people, she does this considering how she undermined Diana. She can give "compassionate" looks but it does not make her a decent person.


Title: Re: Will Camilla be Queen?
Post by: CathyJane on February 15, 2017, 03:10:40 pm
 :thumbsup: Sandy!!!


Title: Re: Will Camilla be Queen?
Post by: sandy on February 15, 2017, 06:09:53 pm
I just read that Sally Bedell Smith (who raises Prince Charles to sainthood and bashes Diana) has a new biography of Charles. She "helps" Charles by claiming that Diana (!!!) slept with Charles on the Royal Train (evidence is that Camilla was the one who did) and Prince Philip "threatened" Charles and "forced" him to marry Diana. Pamela Hicks who loathes Diana agrees with the tripe. It seems that Charles is pushing the propaganda again. Prince Philip's letter became public and all he said was that Charles should drop Diana if he does not want to marry her. Charles was not a baby and was not 'forced.'  Do these writers think readers that naive. Diana was not even engaged to Charles in November 1980, no way would she have jeopardized a marriage by sleeping with him. Camilla did this, I suppose Bedell Smith will make Camilla look virginal. And she says he "returned to Camilla" actually he never stopped seeing Camilla. What a load of tripe.


Title: Re: Will Camilla be Queen?
Post by: india on February 15, 2017, 08:46:47 pm
What an underhanded spineless wonder PC is.


Title: Re: Will Camilla be Queen?
Post by: Tatiana on February 16, 2017, 08:19:57 am
  Pamela Hicks will not be so smug when all the awful stuff comes out about her parents. ... it's oozing out as we speak.   :ick:


Title: Re: Will Camilla be Queen?
Post by: FrederickLouis on April 23, 2017, 01:45:49 am
An interview about Queen Camilla:   
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ig0wQv9uu0A


Title: Re: Will Camilla be Queen?
Post by: Tatiana on April 25, 2017, 10:49:22 pm
An interview about Queen Camilla:   
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ig0wQv9uu0A


    Comments are disabled for this video.   I can imagine what most of them are saying. :laugh:  She won't be Queen Consort, and if they try it just watch the British public backlash. 


Title: Re: Will Camilla be Queen?
Post by: sandy on April 25, 2017, 11:07:43 pm
It's sickening how C and C fans are all agog about her being his "soul mate" and it being a great 45 year love affair. What rubbish. Charles could not have even been bothered to tell her they had a future. She even was eager to be with the loser after she married someone else. If wishy washy Charles did not have the title of Prince of Wales I doubt Camilla would have given him the right time. And Charles fans never question why he thought it was OK to be involved with married women. Camilla gave her son TOm the middle name of Charles and the other mistress Kanga named one of her sons Charles. Gross


Title: Re: Will Camilla be Queen?
Post by: Tatiana on April 30, 2017, 11:26:21 pm
  When he was still single and sleeping with married Camilla, he was also sleeping with another married woman, and numerous others .. so much for the "One True Love" nonsense. 


Title: Re: Will Camilla be Queen?
Post by: gingerboy24 on May 01, 2017, 10:07:58 am
As chucky said at the engagement "whatever love is". The only love he truly has is for himself, and/or Michael Fawcett.


Title: Re: Will Camilla be Queen?
Post by: CathyJane on May 01, 2017, 07:39:11 pm
No kidding.


Title: Re: Will Camilla be Queen?
Post by: sandy on May 28, 2017, 11:41:12 am
Charles is really annoyed at the Diana press and is pushing Camilla. Trashing Diana fans in the process. Camilla is foolish for giving an interview, it makes her look worse. How can she defend the indefensible? She tries. Does she think only Diana fans don't like what she did?

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/femail/article-4548728/Camilla-opens-pressure-public-life.html


Title: Re: Will Camilla be Queen?
Post by: meememe on May 28, 2017, 12:25:52 pm
A lot of people have moved on. The Di-hards never will but that is their loss.

She is the second most senior woman in the land and is approaching her 70th birthday. Why shouldn't she do an interview about how she has found being in her position?

The rest of the family have done interview.



Title: Re: Will Camilla be Queen?
Post by: Rosella on May 28, 2017, 01:55:02 pm
^ Yes, Charles certainly did an interview, which he soon regretted and blamed his Private Secretary for. (It was his decision and his alone.) That was the occasion when he spouted to Jonathon Dimbleby about his marriage and outed Mrs Parker Bowles as his mistress, though he called her 'a friend'!


Title: Re: Will Camilla be Queen?
Post by: dianab on May 28, 2017, 02:05:36 pm
Charles is really annoyed at the Diana press and is pushing Camilla. Trashing Diana fans in the process. Camilla is foolish for giving an interview, it makes her look worse. How can she defend the indefensible? She tries. Does she think only Diana fans don't like what she did?

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/femail/article-4548728/Camilla-opens-pressure-public-life.html
It it just me or Clarence House is controlling the comments?

PS. Camilla was never stopped of marry Charles in 1970s. What she wanted back then she was marry Andrew P-B. And she got what she wanted!


Title: Re: Will Camilla be Queen?
Post by: sandy on May 28, 2017, 02:55:41 pm
Yed diana b they are controlling the comments. Big Time. 3000 green arrows for one that talks about how delightful it is that CHarles is soooo happy. The regular Camilla fans get in. I can only imagine the scathing comments that they are suppressing. Talk about censorship. Charles pushing this woman down the public's throats is a big mistake. And I think a Junor book about Camilla is in the wings.


A lot of people have moved on. The Di-hards never will but that is their loss.

She is the second most senior woman in the land and is approaching her 70th birthday. Why shouldn't she do an interview about how she has found being in her position?

The rest of the family have done interview.



I honestly think it is not only the Di hards who disapprove of the woman. It is entirely possible considering how Camilla got where she is today. Even leaving Diana out, it was rather sleazy, her moving from married mistress and working her way to the top. She should not be doing interviews. There's enough PR out there so she can keep her mouth shut. Wallis did not break up a royal marriage, her first husband abused her (and it should have been annulled), yet she could not have an HRH. It is really hypocritical that this woman is raised to sainthood after her behavior. She will never admit publicly any wrongdoing and her playing the "victim" is laughable. Some women and men who are not Di fans could find her behavior despicable and she comes across like a self righteous hypocrite. What did Camilla expect, to get praised for undermining another woman and being a royal mistress while married to someone else.

I also find it laughable that Camilla feels she is a "victim" of Diana fans. Is the woman so stupid that she could not even realize back in 2007 how gross it would be for her to walk into Diana's Memorial Service. It was not as if she did nothing but loathe Diana.


Title: Re: Will Camilla be Queen?
Post by: dianab on May 28, 2017, 03:07:58 pm
This article should have about a 1k comments, if not more


Title: Re: Will Camilla be Queen?
Post by: sandy on May 28, 2017, 03:14:46 pm
She acts like she was the wife and Diana the mistress. Diana was married to Charles and she was the other woman. She really is deluded. I guess the PR pay to the DM prohibited comments lest the poor snowflake suffer at seeing the negative comments. Just what does the woman expect?


Title: Re: Will Camilla be Queen?
Post by: marion on May 28, 2017, 07:25:07 pm
Karma is such a b..ch


Title: Re: Will Camilla be Queen?
Post by: sandy on May 28, 2017, 07:40:17 pm
IF they keep this up, Charles and Camilla will shoot themselves in the foot...again. Maybe Camilla will want to go to the Diana statue dedication.


Title: Re: Will Camilla be Queen?
Post by: Alexandrine on May 28, 2017, 09:19:19 pm
People are indiffirent to these two. But they also do not forget, there was no one cheering for them when they arrived to Will wedding for ex.

When the coronation happens Diana will be like in the film Rebecca. Sure she is not around but she will be the main protagonist will all the what could have been.

And Camilla will be queen but it will through lies. Charles said she wouldn't be queen and he lied. So a good start for his reign.


Title: Daily Mail shuts down comments on Camilla article only 19 allowed to comment
Post by: Tatiana on May 28, 2017, 09:32:33 pm
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/femail/article-4548728/Camilla-opens-pressure-public-life.html  

    Judging by other websites,  the reaction to her complaining about how horrid her life was after people heard about the affair,  there is little sympathy for the home wrecker.   Clarence House have all their flunkies arrowing the comments.  :laugh: 


Title: Re: Will Camilla be Queen?
Post by: leogirl on May 29, 2017, 07:36:39 am
I have zero sympathy for her. She should have thought about those things BEFORE she decided to cheat on her husband with a famous married man.


Title: Re: Will Camilla be Queen?
Post by: marion on May 29, 2017, 09:09:31 am
^^Diana will haunt these 2 forever


Title: Re: Will Camilla be Queen?
Post by: YooperModerator on May 29, 2017, 12:04:53 pm
^Most certainly.

He never should've married Camilla.  I think he would've been better off having her as official "hostess" or some made up title and kept his distance.  Sometimes I wonder if the Windsor men have any brains at all.  And I don't even really dislike Camilla and understand two people who connect in some weird way.  But he created a huge mess, showed horrible disciple so this has created a nasty taste in everyone's mouth and I don't see that improving.


Title: Re: Will Camilla be Queen?
Post by: sandy on May 29, 2017, 12:30:26 pm
For all his alleged "intelligence," Charles truly behaved like a *fool*. I think his PR took a wrong turn promoting the "Special Interview" with Camilla. DM is still moderating comments and the scathing ones are now allowed in. THere are probably many more even more scathing. ANd the story is now distributed to other media agencies. Charles I think shot himself in the foot with the pathetic interview of Camilla as Victim.  She made the mess herself by her behavior. And going in for all the talk about how she was raised to have "manners" (the funniest thing in the article).


Title: Re: Will Camilla be Queen?
Post by: FrederickLouis on May 30, 2017, 01:23:30 am
When and where did Prince Charles first encounter Camilla?


Title: Re: Will Camilla be Queen?
Post by: sandy on May 30, 2017, 01:42:23 am
Charles had his first affair with Lucia Santa Cruz. Lord Mountbatten suggested Charles sow wild oats before marrying the Suitable Girl (Mountbatten wanted Charles to marry Amanda, his granddaughter but she had to come of age first). Santa Cruz recommended Camilla as someone Charles should meet. They met on a polo field and she was said to tell Charles, my great grandmother and your great great grandfather were lovers, so how about it? Mountbatten saw Camilla as mistress material so invited to the two to spend intimate weekends together at Broadlands, his home. She was avid to marry Andrew Parker Bowles, someone she started dating in 1966. Parker Bowles and Camilla were unfaithful to each other when they dated and he slept with Princess ANne, then Camilla got involved with Charles. Eventually, Charles had to do a stint at sea in the navy. He told his biographer that he was not ready to marry when he met Camilla. And he did not tell her to wait for him. She married Andrew Parker Bowles.


Title: Re: Will Camilla be Queen?
Post by: Kuei Fei on May 30, 2017, 02:50:33 am
^Most certainly.
He never should've married Camilla.  I think he would've been better off having her as official "hostess" or some made up title and kept his distance.  Sometimes I wonder if the Windsor men have any brains at all.  And I don't even really dislike Camilla and understand two people who connect in some weird way.  But he created a huge mess, showed horrible disciple so this has created a nasty taste in everyone's mouth and I don't see that improving.

I think Windsor men have a very bad habit of wanting a mother figure, which basically means that they put themselves under the control of a woman who knows how to project that image and also at the same time, baby them. If Charles were anything like his ancestors, he would have given Camilla the title of Baroness or something clever and she would be his official mistress. I remember reading that Camilla allegedly wanted a seat closer to the front at a society wedding, but rank prevailed and she was near the back (Camilla is untitled gentry, not an aristocrat) and that upset Charles since Camilla was his mistress. If Camilla becomes Queen and is crowned, I am certain that it'll cause horrific ill-will.

Camilla should be grateful for Princess Consort and let well enough alone.

If Camilla wasn't happy being mistress, she had no business screwing Charles who was a married man. Charles keeps taking any goodwill he generates and squanders it on promoting a woman who has been nothing but trouble since day one and it's beyond stupid.


Title: Re: Will Camilla be Queen?
Post by: Stargazer on May 30, 2017, 02:24:56 pm
^so true. The way those two carried on is quite despicable. Even if people didn't like Diana airing the dirty laundry and are supporters of Charles and the monarchy, his marrying the home wrecker mistress is simply too much. People are very cynical about his PR campaign. They can't bury all the comments on the DM and control what people think.


Title: Re: Will Camilla be Queen?
Post by: sandy on May 30, 2017, 03:05:43 pm
Charles aired lots of dirty laundry. Charles must be spending $$$$ amounts of money there are articles today about how the British publish is "warming" to Camilla-in many media outlets. Charles appears both deranged and desperate and Camilla just looks like the rotten person she always was. I think Charles is simple minded enough to think that if he says the "people" have warmed to her, it will be believed. Camilla will be Queen no matter what so it's a big waste of money for him spending money to try to get people to "like" Camilla. Not going to happen with the entire country liking the woman. If Charles had not blabbed that she was his mistress back in 1994 he might have  found someone more appropriate to marry.


Title: Re: Will Camilla be Queen?
Post by: Stephanie on May 30, 2017, 04:31:18 pm
Exactly.
Campon is at the root of all Chuck's problems: his failed marriage, the frosty relationship with his sons, his unpopularity.


Title: Re: Will Camilla be Queen?
Post by: Alexandrine on May 30, 2017, 05:17:17 pm
Nope. Camilla is the symptom not the illness. If it was not her it would have been someone else or anything else.


Title: Re: Will Camilla be Queen?
Post by: sandy on May 30, 2017, 05:37:03 pm
It is all part of Charles' attitude, self serving and self entitled. He would not have bothered with married women if he was not that way. Camilla also like Wallis is an expert manipulator. Charles would need that sort of person as part of the illness.


Title: Re: Will Camilla be Queen?
Post by: LadyAva on May 30, 2017, 06:09:39 pm
^  :thumbsup: I agree and also with the comment of Diana being a Spector in their marriage. I hope she haunts Camilla and waity. She should be happy with Consort.


Title: Re: Will Camilla be Queen?
Post by: dianab on May 30, 2017, 06:19:33 pm
Nope. Camilla is the symptom not the illness. If it was not her it would have been someone else or anything else.
Agree. Charles wanted her there (read: in his life, in his marriage). He slept with other women too, in 1980s. Charles was/is not meant for marriage. Let alone with a charismatic woman who longed her husband to be a father figure in her life.


Title: Re: Will Camilla be Queen?
Post by: Kuei Fei on May 31, 2017, 04:47:45 am
Charles wouldn't have held on to Camilla if he didn't have the view that his mother should have been there all the time; his problem (among that of princes) is that his mother should have been a 9-5 parent and been there for all his moments and not made him into a self sufficient adult. Thing is, that most middle class parents work all the time and don't 'be there' for their kids since they have to work to put food on the table and provide a nice home.


Title: Re: Will Camilla be Queen?
Post by: sandy on May 31, 2017, 02:44:15 pm
His siblings had no complaints. I think Charles is just very self centered and self entitled. I think his Grandmother was the problem really. She spoiled him and even blamed Diana and Camilla instead of her precious Charles. Camilla was and is just an opportunist. I think both of them are self centered and selfish and Camilla like Wallis was an expert manipulator. Charles also surrounds himself with sycophants who say yes all the time. And he gets hot tempered when disagreed with.


Title: Re: Will Camilla be Queen?
Post by: HRHOlya on August 14, 2017, 01:24:42 am
Two-thirds of Britons DON'T want Camilla to be Queen: Poll also finds that most people also want the throne to skip a generation

    Only 19 per cent of Britons think Camilla is fit to be Queen, according to polls
    Recent years suggested Camilla was winning over nation with public work
    Surveys suggest damage has been done by recent documentaries on Diana


Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-4787470/Two-thirds-Britons-DON-T-want-Camilla-Queen.html

How about instead of skipping the throne for one generation, skipping it altogether? Be modern and be a republic and put the throne in a museum.
The documentaries weren't the worst, what did the damage were C&C themselves with their flunky Junor, but these dimwits will never see that, narcissists see themselves as perpetual victims.
Camilla was indeed winning over people in recent years with work and a positive demeanor (though most still would never like her b/c of what she and C did to D), but then she shot herself in the foot with that bio by Junor. Serves them well.


Title: Re: Will Camilla be Queen?
Post by: sandy on August 14, 2017, 01:37:36 am
Yes, Camilla was praised for keeping her mouth shut and working. But then I think she and Charles wanted the spotlight to be on them instead of Diana's anniversary. So first she gave that interview where she played victim and then the dreadful Junor book. Junor even said that they met with her so it was not as if they could claim they had nothing to do with the book. I don't think C and C are exactly loaded with brains.Then Junor went overboard in the book saying Camilla is the "savior" of the monarchy. Then made up lurid stories about what Diana "did" and went in for the poor poor Charles stories.


Title: Re: Will Camilla be Queen?
Post by: Kuei Fei on August 14, 2017, 02:19:24 am
Two-thirds of Britons DON'T want Camilla to be Queen: Poll also finds that most people also want the throne to skip a generation

    Only 19 per cent of Britons think Camilla is fit to be Queen, according to polls
    Recent years suggested Camilla was winning over nation with public work
    Surveys suggest damage has been done by recent documentaries on Diana

Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-4787470/Two-thirds-Britons-DON-T-want-Camilla-Queen.html
How about instead of skipping the throne for one generation, skipping it altogether? Be modern and be a republic and put the throne in a museum.
The documentaries weren't the worst, what did the damage were C&C themselves with their flunky Junor, but these dimwits will never see that, narcissists see themselves as perpetual victims.
Camilla was indeed winning over people in recent years with work and a positive demeanor (though most still would never like her b/c of what she and C did to D), but then she shot herself in the foot with that bio by Junor. Serves them well.

You know, pushing for Queen Consort is just angering Brits; Charles has asked enough of his people and Charles is destroying everything because of his selfishness.


Title: Re: Will Camilla be Queen?
Post by: HRHOlya on April 23, 2018, 06:43:57 pm
Camilla's nephew drops another hint that she WILL become Queen when Prince Charles takes the throne

    Ben Elliot, the Duchess of Cornwall's nephew, made the claims in a documentary
    It has long been thought the Duchess will be given the title of 'Princess Consort'
    But Charles has been rumoured to be pushing for her to be named as Queen


Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-5645307/Camillas-nephew-drops-hint-Queen-Prince-Charles-takes-throne.html



Title: Re: Will Camilla be Queen?
Post by: CathyJane on April 23, 2018, 07:07:52 pm
Cams and Faucett can be Co-Queens.


Title: Re: Will Camilla be Queen?
Post by: sandy on April 23, 2018, 07:26:01 pm
Fawcett will probably be the "power behind the throne" IMO. He is the non-negotiable one. Ben is another relative that runs to the press.


Title: Re: Will Camilla be Queen?
Post by: HRHOlya on April 23, 2018, 09:34:08 pm
^^ lmao :laugh:

^  :thumbsup: Indeed..


Title: Re: Will Camilla be Queen?
Post by: Kuei Fei on January 01, 2019, 05:03:58 am
I think he will push Camilla to be Queen and it will trigger a final revolt; at least, the courtiers themselves will resign in protest and leave him to need to run his own office. Second, it would be the final slap in the face to those who believed his promises that he would abide by a morganatic marriage. Third, it would probably be almost an act of blasphemy to sit her on the throne of those who were anointed and crowned as Queen Consort. It would also have Diana supporters up in arms as well. I think ti would be the final act of PR suicide on the part of Charles in fact.


Title: Re: Will Camilla be Queen?
Post by: sandy on January 01, 2019, 01:46:34 pm
Charles was fortunate that he did not have to give up his place in line of succession, he as a divorced man married a divorced woman, the other woman in his first marriage. His is pushing his luck. He also was egotistical enough to have his late ex wife slammed and trying to create the "beautiful" love story out of a sordid relationship.


Title: Re: Will Camilla be Queen?
Post by: AnaBolena on January 01, 2019, 03:10:43 pm
I believe Charles will have a very short reign and by choice will hand over to William.


Title: Re: Will Camilla be Queen?
Post by: Alexandrine on January 01, 2019, 03:21:35 pm
^ why do think so?


Title: Re: Will Camilla be Queen?
Post by: AnaBolena on January 01, 2019, 03:27:00 pm
^A really deep feeling I get.  I don’t sense Charles as power hungry for the actual throne, but I do sense he wouldn’t want William to wait 70+ years to be King. 

I also get a feeling things might happen this year (well, I had a dream HM passed).  Maybe it is just an unconscious feeling that HM isn’t well, I don’t know.  We shall see.


Title: Re: Will Camilla be Queen?
Post by: Val on January 01, 2019, 03:38:07 pm
Charles has waited so long to be King that he would only have it taken away on death.  Despite the history Camilla has much support.  People meeting her and working for her say she is lovely, warm, articulate, genuine and friendly, an asset to Charles.


Title: Re: Will Camilla be Queen?
Post by: Alexandrine on January 01, 2019, 03:44:16 pm
^^ who knows I dont see Charles like that maybe something happens and he cannot do his duties well. I can see him being king this year all but in name.


Title: Re: Will Camilla be Queen?
Post by: Kuei Fei on January 01, 2019, 03:46:10 pm
Charles will not reject his role as King and second, that is never how monarchy works.


Title: Re: Will Camilla be Queen?
Post by: AnaBolena on January 01, 2019, 03:54:24 pm
^True, it isn’t how monarchy works, but a King Or Queen can abdicate.


Title: Re: Will Camilla be Queen?
Post by: HRHOlya on January 01, 2019, 04:07:33 pm
I highly doubt he'd ever abdicate. He's waited so long and it's been remarked a few times that he's impatient. Once he gets his long awaited candy piece, he won't let got. No way.


Title: Re: Will Camilla be Queen?
Post by: sandy on January 01, 2019, 04:32:39 pm
Charles has waited so long to be King that he would only have it taken away on death.  Despite the history Camilla has much support.  People meeting her and working for her say she is lovely, warm, articulate, genuine and friendly, an asset to Charles.

Sorry I never see that woman as warm or genuine or lovely or friendly much less an asset. I would not say she has "much" support by the public, she is still controversial. I for one am turned off by the heavy handed promotion of her which involves bashing her deceased predecessor. People like me would not go out the door to see her even if she's on the corner. She reads speeches and she has that annoying deep voice and is gauche on some appearances, giggling at entertainers from another country and gawking at cameras.And people working for her would not say a word against her lest be fired and some don't like to be shut out from royalty. Camilla would not be "unfriendly" to people on walkabouts who probably like her to begin with and maybe see her for a few seconds. I don't like the way she behaved and I don't like her or what she stands for. She was in the first marriage of Charles from the get go even pretending to like Diana and vetting her so Charles could have his heirs. No warm person would treat another woman that way. I don't like her and never will. She even is palsy walsy with Junor and I think she had a lot to do with Junor's St. Camilla/Evil Diana book that came out in 2017. I don't think she is the least bit sorry for her behavior. I don't think there is "much" support, Charles PR says there is but I don't believe it. Her neighbors reported she was a snob. She would go foxhunting and tear in front of others swearing and telling the others to get out of her way. She called Diana that ridiculous creature, played hostess at Highgrove while Diana was still married to Charles, undermined Diana, and went to the Sun editor to give her side. She can be dressed up and spun but I can't stand her and see her as a big phony.

Charles will not relinquish being King. ever. The most William would be was a Regent but even Charles would not accept that. Charles may get away with foisting her on the public as Queen but it can't buy universal like for the woman to put it mildly. The spin Charles puts out does not erase memories. IMO.

Long live the Queen


Title: Re: Will Camilla be Queen?
Post by: Kuei Fei on January 01, 2019, 05:01:20 pm
Camilla committed treason by undermining a marriage made under the Crown and was made after a full nuptial mass in St. Paul's Cathedral. She then undermined the reputation of THE Princess of Wales and then proceeded to deliberately undermine the ability of the Crown Princess to fulfill her duties to the State, which could constitute treason and undermining the ability of the nation to provide and protect. Second, pressuring HM to give her that consent could constitute harassment of the Crown, another aggressive act that could be constituted as criminal.