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Title: Continental Aristocracy
Post by: D.I.R. on March 28, 2011, 10:47:52 pm
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Sunday, December 26, 2010
Consuelo Crespi,, American-born Italian countess, fashion model and editor, died from a stroke.she was 82

Pic: http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_RaOrchOImw8/TRghR1MqQgI/AAAAAAAApKE/5-_pXfvuKjo/s1600/Consuelo+Crespi%252C.jpg

Consuelo Pauline O'Brien O'Connor Crespi was an American-born Italian countess who served the world of high fashion as a style-setting model and editor of Vogue Italia.died from a stroke.she was 82. During the same period, her twin sister Gloria Schiff was a major influence on fashion as editor for the American edition of Vogue magazine. She was also a member of the International Best Dressed List since 1959.[1]

Pic: http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_RaOrchOImw8/TRghVzxEnNI/AAAAAAAApKI/Fdd2QM0AyHE/s1600/Consuelo+Crespi1.jpg

(May 31, 1928 – October 18, 2010)
Biography

She was born on May 31, 1928, in Larchmont, New York, with her twin sister later assuming the married name of Gloria Schiff. She grew up in Nova Scotia and was spotted as a potential model when she moved back to New York with her mother and sister, appearing on the cover of Look magazine in 1945 and was introduced to society as a débutante in 1947. She met Count Rodolfo Crespi on a blind date in a New York City restaurant.[2] They were married three months later, on January 22, 1948, in a ceremony held at Church of St. Ignatius Loyola on the Upper East Side of Manhattan.[3]
Through her choices in attire and in publishing, Crespi played a major role in influencing the fashion world and giving a boost to the careers of designers such as Fendi and Missoni. Valentino credited Crespi with giving him a break into the fashion industry and it was a Valentino dress worn by her twin sister that convinced Jacqueline Kennedy to try the designer. In addition to her role as editor of Italian Vogue, Crespi's appearances at social events such as the Black and White Ball thrown by Truman Capote in 1966 were widely reported.[2] In a best-dressed list published in 1958 by the New York Dress Institute, Crespi was ranked third, behind the Duchess of Windsor, but ahead of Queen Elizabeth II in fourth place and Audrey Hepburn in fifth.[4] She was included on the International Best Dressed List and was recognized by the Fashion Hall of Fame for her "faultless taste in dress without ostentation or extravagance".[2]
In addition to her editing duties, Crespi and her husband both did public relations for major designers.[2] Her husband had been involved on the editorial staff of Vogue Brasil and Vogue Mexico.[5] After returning from Rome in 1961, she received notice from the fashion world by wearing skirts that were four to five inches longer than the prevailing fashion, helping to promote a new line from the designer Fabiani, saying "I now can't stand the sight of my knees showing" after donning the longer skirts.[6] The government of Italy bestowed its highest-ranked civilian award to Crespi for her assistance in promoting the fashion industry in that country.[2]
Crespi lamented the decline in Italian social life among the wealthy and aristocratic crowd in the 1970s in the wake of social unrest and a wave of kidnappings, telling Time magazine that "In Italy now you want to feel rich and look poor".[7]
Crespi died at age 82 on October 18, 2010, at Mount Sinai Hospital in Manhattan due to a stroke. She was survived by a daughter, a son, four grandchildren and two great-grandchildren. Her husband had died in 1985.[2] Her daughter Pilar Crespi was an assistant editor at Vogue and has spent most of her career in the fashion industry.[8]

Article Link: http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_RaOrchOImw8/TRghVzxEnNI/AAAAAAAApKI/Fdd2QM0AyHE/s1600/Consuelo+Crespi1.jpg


Title: Re: Consuelo Crespi,, American-born Italian countess, fashion model and editor, died
Post by: Kuei Fei on March 28, 2011, 10:55:18 pm
Sad to hear about that happening.


Title: "La Dolce Vita" Diva: Princess Luciana Pignatelli
Post by: D.I.R. on March 28, 2011, 11:11:05 pm
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16 February, 2010
"La Dolce Vita" Diva: Princess Luciana Pignatelli.

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Luciana Malgeri
13.I.1935- 13.X.2008
Princess Pignatelli
Mrs. Burt Simms Avedon
Italian Socialite & Social Arbiter
Spokes Model & Jewelry Designer
Vreelandesque Beauty Guru

“A few times every century, a great beauty is born. I am not one of them. But what nature skipped, I supplied—so much so that sometimes I cannot remember what is real and what is fake.”

Princess Luciana Pignatelli
Article Link: http://theesotericcuriosa.blogspot.com/2010/02/la-dolce-vita-diva-princess-luciana.html


Title: Continental Aristocracy
Post by: D.I.R. on April 11, 2011, 08:18:32 pm
From Marylin Manson to an Aristo... she's worked her way up on the social classes  :cookie:

Pic: http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2011/04/11/article-0-0B8FB8FC00000578-404_468x704.jpg
& Article: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/tvshowbiz/article-1375617/What-tease-Dita-Von-Teese-leaves-little-imagination-steps-top.html

http://www.zimbio.com/Louis-Marie+de+Castelbajac
http://www.zimbio.com/dating/5IiWWQB8TeV/Louis+Marie+de+Castelbajac+dating+Dita+Von/Louis-Marie+de+Castelbajac

http://www.celebitchy.com/category/count_louis-marie_de_castelbajac/


Title: Re: Aristocrat Louis-Marie De Castelbajac & Dita Von Teese
Post by: Alexandrine on April 11, 2011, 08:54:02 pm
Lucky Dita, he is very hot  :shy:


Title: Re: Aristocrat Louis-Marie De Castelbajac & Dita Von Teese
Post by: D.I.R. on April 12, 2011, 12:42:04 am
Yeah I just think there are hotter aristo/princes men. Than what is out there in the public known arena.  :sigh:

Don't get me wrong I think Harry & Williams (on his peak of beauty) and others public princes are alright but there are really really hot aristo & princes guys that are not known to the public  :thumbsup:


Title: Re: Aristocrat Louis-Marie De Castelbajac & Dita Von Teese
Post by: Duchess Georgiana on April 12, 2011, 08:25:12 am
So he's 27 and she is 38. What a cougar she is! :naughty: Good for her! He is VERY hot! Lovely blue eyes! And I love when the French (specially men) speak English. They have a lovely (and sexy) accent.


Title: Re: Aristocrat Louis-Marie De Castelbajac & Dita Von Teese
Post by: Kuei Fei on April 12, 2011, 06:45:35 pm
I wonder if he will marry her. Aristo and royal men seem to prefer older women and William did after all marry Kate.


Title: Re: Aristocrat Louis-Marie De Castelbajac & Dita Von Teese
Post by: Alexandrine on April 12, 2011, 10:07:41 pm
^Don't know but Dita is sure having a great time  :cookie:


Title: Re: Aristocrat Louis-Marie De Castelbajac & Dita Von Teese
Post by: The Chocolate Princess on April 26, 2011, 10:31:10 pm
He's YUMMY  :hot:

I don't think they have a future though. If he gets 30 he might want to have children and Dita will be 41 then... She looks great and I like her "street" style, but in truth I don't believe in relationships where the man in more than 10 years younger -sorry :KEZZA:


Title: Wedding of Prince Antonius zu Fürstenberg and Countess Matilde Borromeo
Post by: D.I.R. on November 15, 2011, 10:47:34 pm
http://myroyal-myroyals.blogspot.com/2011/06/wedding-of-prince-antonius-zu.html

http://www3.pictures.zimbio.com/gi/Monaco+Rose+Ball+2011+r_M6lCDVBpLl.jpg
Beatrice (who's dating Pierre), her half-sister got married to Prince Antonius zu Fürstenberg.


Title: Re: Wedding of Prince Antonius zu Fürstenberg and Countess Matilde Borromeo
Post by: Kuei Fei on November 16, 2011, 06:55:57 am
She looks so incredibly lovely.


Title: Re: Wedding of Prince Antonius zu Fürstenberg and Countess Matilde Borromeo
Post by: D.I.R. on November 17, 2011, 06:16:18 am
yeah, its nice to see everyones hair let down and actually enjoy themselves plus the parents on both side do have genuine smilies on their faces. Unlike what you've seen these past marriages of these dynasties.


Title: Continental Aristocracy
Post by: Alexandrine on October 16, 2012, 03:38:29 pm
I'm opening this thread with such a sad story, I still cannot believe it  :sob: :sob:

http://www.vanitatis.com/noticias/2012/10/16/conmocion-en-la-aristocracia-espanola-por-la-tragica-muerte-del-marques-de-tavara-21062/

The heir to one of the oldest aristo families in Spain has died when he was flying with his plane, he was coming back from a wedding, so similar to John Jr. story  :sob: a 20 year old woman and another man have also died.


Title: Re: Continental Aristocracy
Post by: serene grace on October 16, 2012, 06:29:28 pm
Very sad, that's awful.


Title: Re: Continental Aristocracy
Post by: Kuei Fei on October 16, 2012, 09:51:25 pm
The Continentals are the most impenetrable aristocratic society on the planet. You literally do not hear about them and you can't really end up even knowing who they are if you walk down the street. They are that skilled at being secretive.


Title: Re: Continental Aristocracy
Post by: Alexandrine on October 16, 2012, 10:52:55 pm
^^ Depends, there are attention seekers everywhere even in the aristo world.


Title: Re: Continental Aristocracy
Post by: Kuei Fei on October 16, 2012, 11:22:20 pm
Yes, but they are few and far between; you don't really KNOW about them except as names and the occasioanl fluff article about their weddings. Other than that, we don't really hear about them or gossip about them on here. They have businesses, but aren't really mixing their personal life with their professional life.


Title: Re: Continental Aristocracy
Post by: memyselfandroyals on October 16, 2012, 11:41:02 pm
RIP  :bye:


Title: Re: Continental Aristocracy
Post by: Kuei Fei on October 17, 2012, 12:16:33 am
I'm opening this thread with such a sad story, I still cannot believe it  :sob: :sob:

http://www.vanitatis.com/noticias/2012/10/16/conmocion-en-la-aristocracia-espanola-por-la-tragica-muerte-del-marques-de-tavara-21062/

The heir to one of the oldest aristo families in Spain has died when he was flying with his plane, he was coming back from a wedding, so similar to John Jr. story  :sob: a 20 year old woman and another man have also died.

It is horrible why couldn't he hire a pilot?


Title: Re: Continental Aristocracy
Post by: Alexandrine on October 17, 2012, 03:11:11 pm
He was an experienced pilot, accidents happen.


Title: Re: Continental Aristocracy
Post by: serene grace on October 17, 2012, 03:31:13 pm
Aristotle Onassis son died in a plane crash

JFK Jr. died in a plane crash

(Kick) Kathleen Kennedy died in a plane crash

Joe Kennedy Jr. died in a plane crash while on a secret military mission

Prince William of Gloucester died in a plane crash
http://news.bbc.co.uk/onthisday/hi/dates/stories/august/28/newsid_2536000/2536275.stm
 

Sadly accidents do happen, no matter how skilled the pilots, in some cases.  :bored:


Title: Re: Continental Aristocracy
Post by: Alexandrine on October 17, 2012, 03:33:31 pm
Don't forget the Duke of Kent.


Title: Re: Continental Aristocracy
Post by: serene grace on October 17, 2012, 03:36:22 pm
Did he die in a accident too?


Title: Re: Continental Aristocracy
Post by: Alexandrine on October 17, 2012, 03:43:08 pm
The father of the present duke died in a queer accident during WWII.

you can read more about it here http://royalgossip.forumprofi.de/index.php/topic,915.0.html


Title: Re: Continental Aristocracy
Post by: Kuei Fei on October 22, 2012, 06:08:07 am
I find it admirable how it shows that being royal/conservative/traditional isn't exclusive to just reigning royalty, that you can be traditional with conservative moral values and have a successful career. That not all top tier career women/men are not classless tarts with no moral restraint. Top tier lineage (like Countess/GD Stephanie) have successful careers, palaces, solid moral values, and also apparently know how to enjoy life in decent ways. I think being in solid careers helps keep them exclusive.


Title: Re: Continental Aristocracy
Post by: serene grace on October 30, 2012, 02:14:05 pm
 Catherine Oxenberg- My mother’s triumph – exhumation & burial of Prince Paul of Yugoslavia



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Catherine Oxenburgh My mother’s triumph – exhumation & burial of Prince Paul of Yugoslavia
“The arc of the moral universe bends slowly towards justice” – Martin Luther King Jr.

This beautiful quote epitomizes my grandfather, Prince Paul of Yugoslavia’s life. He has finally been vindicated, 35 years since his death, thanks to my mother’s 25-year struggle to clear his name.

This October, the Serbian government agreed to honor him as head of state, by giving him an official burial. His body had to be brought back from Switzerland, accompanied by his wife, Princess Olga and their son, Prince Nicholas.

The new president’s advisor, Oliver Antic, happened to be the lawyer who headed Mom’s legal team during the rehabilitation process last December. It was Oliver’s speech that that convinced the judges to overturn a 70-year verdict that falsely branded my grandfather a war criminal, traitor & Nazi sympathizer.

Now he was being brought home a hero.

On September 26th, I flew to Lausanne, Switzerland, with my mother, to witness the exhumation of our predecessors.

It was a mystery to me as to why they were all buried in Lausanne, as Nicky had died in a car accident in England in 1954, and my grandparents had both died in Paris – Paul in 1976 & Olga in 1997.
http://catherineoxenberg.wordpress.com/2012/10/30/my-mothers-triumph-exhumation-burial-of-prince-paul-of-yugoslavia/

Beautiful Catherine Oxenberg who portrayed Diana Princess of Wales in two movies about Diana's early courtship and marriage to Charles.

I could never understand why Catherine turned down Pr.Andrew's possible proposal when he approached her about dating and possible marriage between them if it worked out. She didn't want him  :-(this was when he met her sometime during the Royal wedding of Charles and Diana)  but  instead she ended up in several bad marriages one of which lasted about two weeks to a film director. Now she is married to a actor a very nice guy with who they have a good marriage, but  I wonder why if she is so into her heritage and background that she went out of her way to avoid all possible royal and aristocratic men who pursued her ....and from what I understand there were several who sought her out as a possible bride.

My friend was in a a sharing group with Catherine about low self-esteem, my friend couldn't tell me all the details because it was part of their therapy, but she did tell me that Catherine was beautiful, stunningly beautiful in person, had all the manners of a regal Princess, but that she suffered from terribly low self esteem, she never saw herself as worthy of anything. My friend was working as a secretary and had been through a big emotional trauma, so she couldn't believe this Princess was sitting there with self esteem lower than hers.

I wonder why she didn 't at least give Andrew a try. Why not date him and see where it went? Now she seems to be honoring her heritage again.


Title: Re: Continental Aristocracy
Post by: berlin on October 31, 2012, 12:17:44 am
Catherine would have made a beautiful Duchess of York, but do you think she would have ended up divorced?  Also I the competition between Catherine and Diana would have been enormous.  I can't imagine her staying with Andrew though.


Title: Re: Continental Aristocracy
Post by: serene grace on October 31, 2012, 12:36:16 am
I think some of these princesses,princes or aristocrats think the grass is greener and then grow and mature a bit a find out it's not.

I think she and Diana or she and Prince Charles are cousins, I think Diana and Catherine would have had a lot in common but also been competitive.


Title: Re: Continental Aristocracy
Post by: Kuei Fei on October 31, 2012, 12:46:48 am
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I think some of these princesses,princes or aristocrats think the grass is greener and then grow and mature a bit a find out it's not.

There is an irony that the commoners they marry are more enthralled with the title than the people born to it, often resulting in a divorce.

As for Prince Andrew, the British press would have gone insane with dislike since after all, foreigners seem to be unwelcome in regards to marrying the RF.


Title: Re: Continental Aristocracy
Post by: serene grace on October 31, 2012, 11:59:40 am
Catherine Oxenberg playing Princess Diana in a movie from earky 90's?

The scene where they bring her to the Palace and tell her what is expected of her, is interesting. I wonder if Kate went through that?

Charles and Diana - A Palace Divided (Unhappily Ever After) here's the link... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rSglF6R08tM&feature=related


I'll also post this in the Royal Movies and Documentaries thread.


Title: Re: Continental Aristocracy
Post by: Kuei Fei on November 07, 2012, 11:45:06 am
I always wondered, why on earth do the British aristocrats not mingle more with the Continental aristocracy? I mean, Diana could have gone to places like France or anywhere else (Italy perhaps?) and she could have married a prince, gotten her HRH, but not had to do public duties. A lot of dethroned, but prominent dynasties. I wonder how interesting it would have been to see a Romanov (converted to Protestantism) married to Charles, or a French aristocrat (converted to Protestantism)?

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Also I the competition between Catherine and Diana would have been enormous.


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Catherine would have made a beautiful Duchess of York,

I think that it would have been a delight for the press, TWO blonde, elegant royal women to fawn/write/gossip over and two royal weddings with blondes in a tiara.

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I can't imagine her staying with Andrew though

Depends. Catherine might have ended up more independent and more interested in her own life rather than running after celebs.

but do you think she would have ended up divorced? .

Only if the press abuse got so bad, or if the family dynamics were too unhealthy ot remain in. I don't think the women who have lived overseas think that being tormented on a regular basis is worth 'duty'.



Title: Re: Continental Aristocracy
Post by: tequiero on November 07, 2012, 09:15:16 pm
Kuei Fei, as you have mentioned the Romanovs, does a member of The Ortodox Church, when wanting to marry into the BRF, have to really convert and become a member of the Anglican Church? Because I think that the ban is still only on the Catholics...


Title: Re: Continental Aristocracy
Post by: Kuei Fei on November 07, 2012, 10:51:04 pm
I believe so, but sometimes people on here suggest otherwise.


Title: Re: Continental Aristocracy
Post by: Alexandrine on November 25, 2012, 07:09:20 pm
I recommend this reading to anyone interested in spanish nobility http://elpais.com/elpais/2012/11/23/gente/1353692623_441411.html is about the present problems to inherit titles.

There is one comment that fascinates me, it's from a lawyer specialise in nobility. Well she says that although now there is no discrimination between men and women, there is still no equality because not every sibiling inherits. But the nobility is de facto a discriminatory idea, what the h+ll?


Title: Re: Continental Aristocracy
Post by: Catrina on November 25, 2012, 08:08:46 pm
Wow, that was an incredible article, Alexandra!

I love how it touches on the inconvenience of uniting noble houses through marriage, as the consequence of that practice over the centuries has resulted in cases like that of Vicente Pío Osorio de Moscoso, who had 109 titles  :- and how only 10 houses keep over 200 titles for themselves and their future progeny, when more are having to be created to compensate for siblings and other family members who have lost them due to inheritance laws.

I think one of the most interesting tidbits is this:
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Y es que los nobles viven pendientes del árbol genealógico, al acecho de títulos vacantes o dinastías al borde de la extinción, porque los títulos siguen siendo un bien preciado. Por más que ya no vayan acompañados de privilegio alguno (el último, el derecho de los Grandes de España a llevar pasaporte diplomático, desapareció en 1984) y estén desvinculados del patrimonio desde el siglo XIX. Pero son importantes socialmente. En estos tiempos en los que triunfa el igualitarismo más total, un título es algo que distingue. Ninguna condecoración, ni siquiera la más alta, como el Collar de la Orden de Carlos III, vale tanto como un título que el Rey da.

It basically talks about how despite title-holders having no benefit at all (no lands since the XIX century, no right to diplomatic passports since 1984), they're valuable socially because they set you apart from the rest in an egalitarian society. So much so, that not even receiving the Order of Carlos II has as much weight as a title given by the king.
And so the article details the legal battles families go through to keep, or rehabilitate unused titles.


Alexandra, do you know if the title Grandeza de España can be inherited?


Title: Re: Continental Aristocracy
Post by: Alexandrine on November 25, 2012, 08:15:57 pm
Yes, they can also be transmitted. The Duchess of Alba has given her children titles with the Grandeza, for ex http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eugenia_Mart%C3%ADnez_de_Irujo,_12th_Duchess_of_Montoro

I don't see the problem with having a lot of titles, if they have a right to them why not? Usually the families with so many titles share them between them as in the Duchess of Alba case. I think the creation of new titles to "compensate" is not something usual as you need to be very close to the king to ask for the favour.

P.S: there also should be an addition to this article about the bad relationship between the most important group of aristos and the RF because of the recent law of inheritance.


Title: Re: Continental Aristocracy
Post by: serene grace on November 28, 2012, 01:48:37 am

TWITTER:

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Sydney Luxarazzi‏@SydneyLux

Count Patrick of Faber-Castell and his wife actress Mariella Ahrens have seperated.   :announcement:  http://ow.ly/f2VQH

 Rumours say that they drifted apart. He prefers to stay home/spend time with friends, she enjoys glamorous (charity) events.  
 

article
http://www.bunte.de/society/mariella-ahrens-und-patrick-von-faber-castell-ja-sie-haben-sich-getrennt_aid_36248.html

When will these royal men ever learn, that it's hard to take a person who looks for royal life to be partying and jetsetting and turn them around into a dutiful working royal.  :prokates:


Title: Re: Continental Aristocracy
Post by: Kuei Fei on November 28, 2012, 03:55:16 am
There is a reason men are warned not to marry actresses.

These women are not cut out for the conformity of the royal lifestyle and they are not interested in routine life. Are there no nice girls who would make nice wives or all aristocratic men more interested in unstable drama queens?


Title: Re: Continental Aristocracy
Post by: serene grace on November 28, 2012, 04:26:57 am



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The marriage between actress Mariella Ahrens and her husband, Patrick Graf von Faber-Castell, the brink of extinction
Mariella Ahrens and Patrick von Faber-Castell has failed after six years.

"They have decided to go separate ways," said the management of the actress. BUNTE.de





Poor guy, he really loved and adored her. She wants out after six years.
A reporter said they are parting on friendly terms.













Title: Re: Continental Aristocracy
Post by: Acornia on November 28, 2012, 04:37:02 am
If a German family has a von in their surname does it automatically mean that they have nobility roots?


Title: Re: Continental Aristocracy
Post by: serene grace on November 28, 2012, 04:41:50 am
He's a Count and quite a wealthy one,or his family is from what I've heard.

http://www.seegerpress-online.de/topixx/data/pre-SEEGER_00185338.jpg

http://bilder.bild.de/fotos-skaliert/mariella-ahrens-patrick-graf-faber-castell-hochzeit-7094827-mbqf-4675646/3,h=343.bild.jpeg


Title: Re: Continental Aristocracy
Post by: Acornia on November 28, 2012, 05:29:07 am
They're of the Faber-Castell pens/stationary/office supplies fame right?

I was asking about the von thing in general though. I know a couple of German people who have von in their family name, but I'm too shy to ask if they're connected with the nobility.  :tehe:


Title: Re: Continental Aristocracy
Post by: serene grace on November 28, 2012, 06:03:32 am
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The von in front of any German or Prussian name normally denotes a member of nobility.
http://www.theaerodrome.com/forum/2000/9875-what-does-von-fron-german-name-mean.html
This link has some good info on the use of Von.


The Count's family history is so full this is just one of the Wiki-pages.

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In 1900, after the marriage of Lothar's granddaughter with a cadet of the Counts of Castell, the A.W. Castell enterprise took the name of Faber-Castell and a new logo, combining the Faber motto, Since 1761, with the "jousting knights" of the Castells' coat-of-arms.[6]
 
The Castell family were mediatised counts of the old Holy Roman Empire, and as such ranked with the reigning dynasties of Europe.[7] In 1901 the head of the family was granted the hereditary title of Prince by Luitpold, Prince Regent of Bavaria.[7] A descendant of the first prince, Count Alexander Friedrich Lothar von Castell-Rüdenhausen (1866–1928) married Baroness Ottilie von Faber (1877–1944), heiress of the Faber pencil "dynasty" in 1898.[7] Although the immensely wealthy Lothar had been ennobled in 1861 and made Baron von Faber in the Kingdom of Bavaria in 1881,[5] in the German Empire his daughter's marriage to a mediatised nobleman would have been deemed morganatic, and the Count's trafficking in commerce considered an act of social derogation for a member of the Hochadel, so Alexander renounced his birth rank prior to the marriage. He was granted the new hereditary title of Count von Faber-Castell by Luitpold, Prince Regent of Bavaria for the descendants of his marriage to the Faber heiress.[7] Although Alexander and Ottilie divorced in 1918, the Faber business trust had conferred headship of the company on Alexander,[5] who even kept the Fabers' renovated palace at Stein (commandeered to billet journalists during the Nuremberg trials, including Ernest Hemingway and John Steinbeck).[8]
 




Faber-Castell works in Stein, Nuremberg
In 1927 Alexander resumed his original name for himself, his second wife (born a countess, Margit Zedtwitz von Moravan und Duppau, 1886–1973), and their son, Count Radulf (1922–2004). His issue by the first marriage had never been considered dynasts of the House of Castell, but they inherited the vast Faber fortune and continue to include Castell in their name with the comital title.
 
Alexander and Ottilie's only son, Count Roland Lothar Wolfgang Christian Ernst Wilhelm von Faber-Castell (1905–78), inherited headship of the Faber-Castell companies from his parents.[5] By his second marriage in 1938 to Katharina Sprecher von Bernegg (1917–94), Roland was the father of the current head of the family, Count Anton-Wolfgang Lothar Andreas von Faber-Castell. Anton-Wolfgang was born in Bamberg 7 June 1941, was married (briefly) in Las Vegas on 16 June 1986 to Carla Mathilde Lamesch—mother of his only son, Count Charles Alexander von Faber-Castell, who was born in Zürich 20 June 1980—and he wed secondly, at Stein on 12 December 1987, Mary Hogan (b. 1951), by whom he has three daughters (Katharina, and the twins Sarah and Victoria).
 
Anton-Wolfgang's niece, Countess Floria-Franziska von Faber-Castell (b. 1974) was married at Kronberg on 17 May 2003 in a much-publicised wedding attended by members of Europe's reigning families, to Donatus, Hereditary Prince of Hesse, a great-grandson of King Victor Emmanuel III of Italy and a grand-nephew of Princess Sophie of Greece and Denmark, sister of Prince Philip, Duke of Edinburgh. Floria is a daughter of Hubertus (1937–71), second son of Roland. Various branches of the Faber-Castell family still flourish, but in the past the Faber and Faber-Castell corporate holdings have usually passed to the eldest male of the patrilineage,[5] currently Count Anton-Wolfgang, third of Count Roland's five sons.


Title: Re: Continental Aristocracy
Post by: jaggy on November 28, 2012, 11:18:04 am
I didn't know Patrick von Faber-Castell until he married this actress.

I was surprised, because he is the nephew of the owner of the famous German pencil-manufactory von Faber-Castell. I didn't understand how somebody of noble background married such a second-class "actress", who took part in the "I am famous"-djungel-camp, where she presented her obvious silicone-breasts to everybody but still denies to have some  :bored: They got to know each other at a celebrity-wedding (Verona Feldbusch, known for a 4-week-marriage to a slimy producer and lots of dumb advertisments), so I first thought he wouldn't be thaaat noble, because most of the German nobility avoids mingling with celebrity. But he seemed to enjoy it  :dontknow:  Great to see that he seems to be more conservative than expected and that he is now fed up with her attention-seeking.

Get divorced and find someone suitabel! He still looks very attractive  kisss



Title: Re: Continental Aristocracy
Post by: serene grace on November 28, 2012, 04:43:28 pm
http://www.zimbio.com/photos/Patrick+Von+Faber-castell/UNESCO+Charity+Gala+2009/cIhT5Snh-OX

http://ww1.hdnux.com/photos/02/47/24/685364/3/628x471.jpg

She was the one who dumped him. He is supposedly heartbroken He reportedly still adores her, it was Mariella (the actress who wanted out of the marriage) People were chatting with a reporter online who covered the Luxembourg wedding and he said that Mariella found him boring after marriage, he just wanted to stay home, while she wanted to go out.

The Count Patrick von Castell is said to be heartbroken over his marriage not working, but they are not going to cause a messy scandal and are ending it as friends.

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Sydney Luxarazzi‏@SydneyLux

Count Patrick of Faber-Castell and his wife actress Mariella Ahrens have seperated.     http://ow.ly/f2VQH

 Rumours say that they drifted apart. He prefers to stay home/spend time with friends, she enjoys glamorous (charity) events.  
 


He really loved her, poor guy, but I'll bet his family is ECSTATIC!!!..She's out of their lives.  :Pippa: :runforhills:
I just hope he doesn't go for the same type.
(Goldigging , socialclimber,imo....
(p.s.Someone alert Carole,  Pippa may have another Aristo to chase once his divorce is final.  :tehe:  :bored:

http://www.zimbio.com/photos/Patrick+Von+Faber-castell/browse?Page=1
http://www.zimbio.com/photos/Patrick+Von+Faber-castell/Ein+Herz+Fuer+Kinder+Gala/7S8AamUKzp-

One day he'll realize he's better off without her, but they do have a child together (she also had a child from a previous marriage too I think? ) ???


Title: Re: Continental Aristocracy
Post by: jaggy on November 28, 2012, 06:52:11 pm
She left him?  :-

I read that the relation cooled off and I rather thought he was annoyed by her fame-whoring while he finally wanted to become more settled.

Maybe because I don't like her and do not find her attractiv at all (the more he is  8) )



Title: Re: Continental Aristocracy
Post by: serene grace on November 28, 2012, 09:05:46 pm
The Luxembourg reporter said they had grown apart, but it was due to Mariella not wanting to stay home with him and play wifey, dutiful royal(aristo), she found him boring and suddenly she didn't like socializing with HIS friends. He  also got tired of the glitzy affairs she wanted to attend always and from what I heard from a reporter, she finally let him know she wanted out of the marriage. He didn't like the glitz, but he supposedly adored her, if she would come home and stop playing "starlet and schmoozing on the celebrity circuit, they may have had a chance. (But I suppose we may hear more of what went on as the divorce progresses.)

I hope he finds someone nice in the future and he doesn't go for the same type again, that's all.  :bored:



Title: Re: Continental Aristocracy
Post by: serene grace on November 29, 2012, 02:25:58 am
Nicolás y Tatiana de Grecia
Prince Nicholas and Tatiana of Greece in Vanity Fair

http://www.revistavanityfair.es/articulos/tatiana-y-nicolas-de-grecia-en-vanity-fair-1/11431/page/2


Title: Re: Continental Aristocracy
Post by: berlin on November 29, 2012, 04:09:33 am
I haven't heard about Tatiana and Nicolas in a long time.  I wonder if the rumors are true that she was pregnant at some point?


Title: Re: Continental Aristocracy
Post by: Catrina on November 29, 2012, 05:02:49 am
We should totally find out more about Philippos of Greece. He's about my age and we both studied the same major!  :flower:


Title: Re: Continental Aristocracy
Post by: Alexandrine on December 01, 2012, 10:00:15 pm
That marriage is so weird. They were everywhere and then disappeared and we haven't seen Tatiana anymore have we?

Someone from the royal MBs sent a letter to their spoke person and they told het that she wasn't pregnant.



Title: Re: Continental Aristocracy
Post by: serene grace on December 01, 2012, 10:07:12 pm
She's never going anywhere, she worked and waited too long to close this deal.

I heard she was pregnant too, I'm glad it was just a rumour, I'd *despise* to think she had a miscarriage.

She'll probably be pregnant this year, we may see an abundance of Royal and Princely babies.  (including already pregnant Tatianna Casaraghi soon-to-be)


Title: Re: Continental Aristocracy
Post by: serene grace on December 30, 2012, 06:33:28 am
Religious wedding of Archduke Christoph of Austria to Adelaide Drape-Frisch

http://img.ly/rl0p

http://www.sipa.com/fr/feature/2506490/nancy-royal-wedding-archduke-christoph-of-austria-and-adelaide-drape-frisch


Title: Re: Continental Aristocracy
Post by: memyselfandroyals on January 09, 2013, 11:00:33 pm
beautiful bride :D


Title: Re: Continental Aristocracy
Post by: Acornia on January 25, 2013, 04:44:56 am
Princess Margarita of Baden's funeral held today at St. Sava Srbian Orthodox Church in London.  The late Princess's uncle, Prince Philip, Duke of Edinburgh, traveled from Sandringam to London to attend the funeral.
http://royalmusingsblogspotcom.blogspot.com/2013/01/princess-margaritas.html

Prince Philip leaves Norfolk to attend funeral in London
http://www.edp24.co.uk/news/prince_philip_leaves_norfolk_to_attend_funeral_in_london_1_1805366

Prince Philip Attends The Funeral Of His Niece, Princess Margarita Of Baden
http://www.gettyimages.com/detail/news-photo/prince-philip-duke-of-edinburgh-attends-the-funeral-of-his-news-photo/159980627

http://www.gettyimages.com/editorial/human-interest-pictures -- more pics here, on the bottom of the page


Title: Re: Continental Aristocracy
Post by: Alexandrine on January 25, 2013, 01:03:54 pm
I don't know if it's the title I chose or something but I thought this thread would be the continental companion to the british nobility thread. Royal families already have their own boards so this would be only for the nobility  ???


Title: Re: Continental Aristocracy
Post by: Acornia on January 26, 2013, 12:21:29 am
Could you move it somewhere? I didn't know where to put it :sorry:

On second thought maybe I should've put it into the various royal families thread...


Title: Re: Continental Aristocracy
Post by: Alexandrine on January 26, 2013, 11:27:20 pm
I was only asking in general because the whole thread has been used that way so please don't take it personally.


Title: Re: Continental Aristocracy
Post by: serene grace on February 05, 2013, 06:49:56 pm
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http://www.heraldscotland.com/news/home-news/slippers-found-at-scots-museum-linked-to-napoleons-sister.1360065766

Slippers found linked to Napoleon's sister
 
5 February 2013

A pair of slippers left in a museum collection for more than 140 years have been identified as those of Napoleon Bonaparte's sister.


Title: Re: Continental Aristocracy
Post by: Alexandrine on February 05, 2013, 07:14:13 pm
Anyone has been to Villa Borghese? It was her husband's house and you can see the Canova sculpture of her as Venus. It's one of my favourite places I've ever visited.



Title: Re: Continental Aristocracy
Post by: serene grace on February 05, 2013, 07:16:19 pm
I don't know a lot about the Bonaparte's, where is the Villa?


Title: Re: Continental Aristocracy
Post by: Alexandrine on February 05, 2013, 07:23:18 pm
It wasn't Bonaparte's but from her husband's family Borghese. It's in Rome

http://www.galleriaborghese.it/borghese/en/evilla.htm

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Galleria_Borghese

You can see lots of Bernini's sculptures and lots of pictures from famous painters.

This is Pauline as Venus http://farm4.staticflickr.com/3525/3956258667_95380b2762_z.jpg?zz=1 the whole room is dedicated to her as the pictures in the walls are about Paris judgement.

I'm also not very knowledgeable about the Bonaparte's, that part of history makes me sad because of the murdering of the french RF. 


Title: Re: Continental Aristocracy
Post by: serene grace on February 05, 2013, 07:28:19 pm
Oh what an interesting family.

I would love to visit the Palace/ villa.


Title: Re: Continental Aristocracy
Post by: Alexandrine on February 05, 2013, 07:52:53 pm
From the Bonaparte's Josephine the first wife of Napoleon and Pauline are the most interesting as they were the it girls of their time.

However, as Napoleon's siblings ended up being the monarchs of the countries he conquered all of them led interesting lifes. But I still cannot forgive that due to the war we lost so many treasures especially the crown jewels  :bye: , they still say that they are hidden in the royal palace in Madrid but I doubt it. The arnolfini portrait for example was in Spain and has ended up in the National Gallery.  :bored:

Another Napoleon story I found interesting is that in Schonbrun, the summer palace of the Hapsburg, you can see his son's room. And if you visit the national treasure museum even his cradle which is very similar's to the Swedish cradle we saw in Estelle christening.


Title: Re: Continental Aristocracy
Post by: Freya on April 30, 2013, 04:40:46 pm
http://www.listal.com/list/beautiful-queens-and-princesses

I did not know quite where to put this thread. I was looking up Princess Lalla Salma of Morocco after seeing her photograph at the Abdication ceremony. She really is quite beautiful. I then found she featured on the list above. There is a name that is not on the list, guess who? 


Title: Re: Continental Aristocracy
Post by: Snokitty on February 20, 2014, 01:14:47 am
http://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/460698/House-of-Stuart-s-Duchess-of-Alba-could-be-next-Queen-of-Scotland-after-independence-vote
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A YES Vote in September’s referendum on independence for Scotland could reawaken centuries old claims to the Scottish crown from members of the House of Stuart.

And an 87-year-old billionaire from Spain might argue she has the strongest claim.

For the Duchess of Alba is said to be one of two main contenders from the Stuart dynasty, whose Scottish monarchs transformed the country during their time in power.

While First Minister Alex Salmond insists Queen Elizabeth II would remain as head of state after a Yes vote, others are not so sure.

Some Scots look back fondly in the history books to their Stuart kings, the first of whom was Robert II in 1371.

By the 17th century, they ruled all of England, Wales, Ireland and Scotland.


Title: Re: Continental Aristocracy
Post by: Kuei Fei on February 20, 2014, 01:28:10 am
I wonder how this might turn out for the Spencers; they are kin to the Stuarts and Diana is the one that introduced the Stuart line into the BRF; it might elevate the Spencers significantly if the House of Stuart were asked to return and I wonder how much this will change the social scene in London. A Stuart monarch back on an independent Scottish throne and all the Windsors kicked back to England once and for all. It would be fascinating to see a Stuart monarch return to a newly independent Scotland.


Title: Re: Continental Aristocracy
Post by: cate1949 on February 20, 2014, 01:36:58 am
KF - technically - the Windsors former Mountbatten former Saxe Gotha former Hanoverians are descendents of the Stuarts through Sophia the elect of Hanover.  So a Stuart King or Queen in Scotland would not have any elevating effect on the Spencers - assuming any one would actually care.

LOL - none of the surviving Stuarts - who actually have a stronger claim to the Brit throne than the Windsors - want anything to do with this.  Too many dead Stuarts who tried to get the throne back.  And then there is that little beheading of a Stuart King incident - LOL - would think that would cure one of desiring a throne.  Not to mention the weather in Scotland versus the weather in Spain - which would you rather live in?  Just joking Scottish people! 


Title: Re: Continental Aristocracy
Post by: Kuei Fei on February 20, 2014, 02:35:45 am
Yet, if the Scots break away, then realistically the Scots could bring back the Stuarts.

I've read a biography about Mary Queen of Scots by Stefan Zweig and it describes the fractious Scots nobility and described the Scots crown as a crown of thorns. Yet, times have changed and Scotland would likely enjoy a huge resurgence of nationalism and would likely bring an independent Sovereign back, one not connected to the House of Windsor.

The Windsors have very little Scottish lineage, it's been diluted considerably, via Danish and German wives and the RF really doesn't do much in Scotland (outside of Balmoral).

HM must be horrendously upset about all this. First Scotland will break away, then likely set up a monarch of their own and end up with a new RF. It would make HM puke, unless the RF managed to set up some kind of marriage match. Yet, if nothing happens, like the Duchess of Alba taking over, HM would puke out of sheer humilaition.

Could someone please break this thread so I can post this and other stuff: http://royalgossip.forumprofi.de/index.php/topic,6609.0.html


Title: Re: Continental Aristocracy
Post by: cate1949 on February 20, 2014, 02:49:41 am
I admit it is an intriguing idea - but somehow I don't see the Scots running off and getting themselves an aged Spanish grandee as their new monarch. 


Title: Re: Continental Aristocracy
Post by: Nighthawk on February 21, 2014, 11:39:55 pm
Could this be the next Queen of Scotland? As independence looms, will Stuart crown return?
http://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/460698/House-of-Stuart-s-Duchess-of-Alba-could-be-next-Queen-of-Scotland-after-independence-vote


Title: Re: Continental Aristocracy
Post by: Kuei Fei on February 22, 2014, 01:21:39 am
This is becoming more and more exciting; first Scottish independence and now the return of the House of Stuart.


Title: Re: Continental Aristocracy
Post by: cate1949 on February 22, 2014, 01:44:17 am
you know that when Anne the last real Stuart died - they had to go to the 50th in line for the throne to find a Stuart who wasn't a Catholic - hence George I and the beginning of the Saxe -Gotha - Mountbatten-Windsor clan- my guess is this Duchess of Alba is also a Catholic - most of the Stuart are and were. 


Title: Re: Continental Aristocracy
Post by: MOSAIC on February 22, 2014, 02:17:21 am

Yes, she is a Catholic. She has a number of heirs, the first of which is, I believe divorced.  The Duchess is around the same age as HM.
Her first marriage was in 1946.   :flower:


Title: Re: Continental Aristocracy
Post by: Kuei Fei on February 22, 2014, 04:39:33 am
you know that when Anne the last real Stuart died - they had to go to the 50th in line for the throne to find a Stuart who wasn't a Catholic - hence George I and the beginning of the Saxe -Gotha - Mountbatten-Windsor clan- my guess is this Duchess of Alba is also a Catholic - most of the Stuart are and were.

Henry VIII really made a huge amount of destruction towards the succession with his insane "Church of England" and the resulting policies that came from it. Right now the Windsors likely wouldn't be on the throne if not for the (understandable) bias against Catholicism. Charles II was likely secretly devoutly Catholic, but he wasn't a tyrant about it.

you know that when Anne the last real Stuart died - they had to go to the 50th in line for the throne to find a Stuart who wasn't a Catholic - hence George I and the beginning of the Saxe -Gotha - Mountbatten-Windsor clan- my guess is this Duchess of Alba is also a Catholic - most of the Stuart are and were.

Thankfully Catholics are not as militant these days as they used to be; no more 'wars of religion.' A Catholic would be refreshing and create a tremendous sentimental resurgence.


Title: Re: Continental Aristocracy
Post by: cate1949 on February 22, 2014, 04:56:29 am
Charles II converted to Catholicism on his deathbed - LOL - had his fun first

Given that RC's and CoE's say exactly the same creed and have roughly the same liturgies (high Church at least) and that most people do not even go to church anymore it all seems absurd to us now - but back in the day - it had a lot to do with money and new wealth.  A lot of the RC's holdings had been given to the "new" aristocracy - so they feared a Catholic monarch might restore all that had been looted back to the Church.  Also - a lot of the "old" nobility had either died, been hung or had been deprived of their lands and there was now a new  aristocracy who feared the emergence of the old guys if the Monarch was RC - so it had little to do with religion and a lot to do with power and wealth as usual.  Among though the regular people the old" ways did not die out so fast so they had to use a lot of anti catholic propaganda to kill the old religion among the regular people - hence the resulting prejudices etc..

The Percy's play an interesting role in all this - three Percy's either died in battle or were beheaded because they led revolts against Henry 8 and Lizzie I - a Percy was actually beatified which is the last step before being declared a saint (there is an RC church in Northumberland dedicated to him) and the Percy's remained RC until the 1700's - rather a long time for such an important family to hold on.  They finally convert because the economic and social isolation becomes threatening to them.  The Dukes of Norfolk - who are the oldest peerage and the highest ranked of the nobility - are still Catholic - given the penalties against being Catholic it is very amazing they survived.

There are some very touching stories about recuse Catholics in the North and how they were protected by their neighbors for centuries - kind of one of those things that stands out in the face of human stupidity - we sometimes do the right and kind thing.

I rather doubt the Scots taking a RC monarch - in the 1830's when Catholic emancipation occurred - it was the Scots who were most opposed to it - actual rioting occurred in protest.
But there is a great nostalgia for their Stuart monarchs so who knows.


Title: Re: Continental Aristocracy
Post by: Countess of Holland on February 22, 2014, 12:55:40 pm
The Duchess of Alba descends of an illegal son of King James II. In royal history, this means he was not a member of the House of Stuart and nor are his descendants. If you want to abide by royal rules, you have to abide by all rules; illegal off-spring is not part of the Royal House.

Furthermore, at this moment, Scotland has a rule that its monarch has to be of the protestant faith and despite her far-from-Catholic-life, the Duchess of Alba (she is not the Duchess of Berwick, under British/ Scottish rule, she, as a woman can not inherit the Scottish titles/ peerages from her father), is still Catholic.

As for Scottish blood, remember the Queen-Mother, she is of Scottish birth and her family has long ties with Scotland, all the way back to Sir John Glamis who was born around 1340 and who was married to Lady Jean Stewart, daughter of King Robert II of Scotland.



Title: Re: Continental Aristocracy
Post by: Alexandrine on February 22, 2014, 08:20:20 pm
The Duchess of Alba as queen of anything would be a complete joke. She has lead a completely dissolute life while being a dictator to her children. She is also probably close to be a complete invalid right now.
 


Title: Re: Continental Aristocracy
Post by: cate1949 on February 22, 2014, 08:59:47 pm
^ totally agree - and aren't the polls now running in favor of continued Union?  So the whole discussion is moot.



Title: Re: Continental Aristocracy
Post by: Alexandrine on February 22, 2014, 09:17:53 pm
^Though watching that family being a royal family would be hilarious. There are so many characters among them and their hanger ons...  :cookie:


Title: Re: Continental Aristocracy
Post by: Kuei Fei on February 22, 2014, 11:46:23 pm
I wonder just how interesting things would have been if in fact Charles had married the Duchess of Alba; one of the top aristocrats with the future King of England?

^ totally agree - and aren't the polls now running in favor of continued Union?  So the whole discussion is moot.

Thing is, that polls can be misleading depending on the question asked.


Title: Re: Continental Aristocracy
Post by: cate1949 on February 23, 2014, 01:42:05 am
^wouldn't she have been 1) a bit older for him 2)Catholic at a time when  it was still prohibited to marry a Catholic 3) a total um - socially active woman - um hum -


Title: Re: Continental Aristocracy
Post by: Kuei Fei on February 23, 2014, 01:58:12 am
Well he has married Camilla and therefore is able to not really hold that against the Duchess.  lol


Title: Re: Continental Aristocracy
Post by: Alexandrine on February 23, 2014, 12:54:07 pm
Cayetana was born the same age as his mother!


Title: Re: Continental Aristocracy
Post by: Snokitty on March 25, 2014, 03:43:52 pm
http://www.theage.com.au/federal-politics/political-news/tony-abbott-reintroduces-knight-and-dame-honours-for-australians-20140325-35fzo.html

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The Abbott government will reintroduce the honour of knights and dames of the Order of Australia to celebrate pre-eminent Australians such as outgoing Governor-General Quentin Bryce.

Prime Minister Tony Abbott announced on Tuesday afternoon that up to four knights or dames will be appointed in any year.

The first dame under the changes will be the outgoing Governor-General Quentin Bryce and the first knight will be incoming Governor-General Peter Cosgrove. All future governors-general will be appointed a Knight or a Dame.
Advertisement

Mr Abbott said the honour would be extended to Australians of "extraordinary and pre-eminent achievement and merit".

The categories of Knight and Dame of the Order of Australia were created by the Queen, on advice from the Fraser government, in 1976 and were discontinued under advice from the Hawke government in 1986.

Knights and dames will be approved by the Queen on the recommendation of the prime minister. The chair of the Order of Australia Council will be consulted on any such recommendation.

Mr Abbott said: "My intention is that this new award will go to those who have accepted public office rather than sought it and who can never, by virtue of that office, ever entirely return to private life."

Mr Abbott said he expected these people to include governors-general, state governors, chiefs of defence forces and chief justices rather than politicians.

He described the change as an "important grace note in our national life".


Title: Re: Continental Aristocracy
Post by: Alexandrine on November 17, 2014, 06:36:24 pm
The Duchess of Alba is in the ICU and it looks not good.


Title: Re: Continental Aristocracy
Post by: Alexandrine on November 18, 2014, 05:25:54 pm
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2839541/Spanish-aristocracy-rush-Duchess-Alba-88-remains-condition-hospital-pneumonia.html

She is probably dying.


Title: Re: Continental Aristocracy
Post by: Kuei Fei on November 18, 2014, 06:04:37 pm
This is horrible.

That woman is considered a treasure among Spaniards and an international social icon.

Charles II converted to Catholicism on his deathbed - LOL - had his fun first

Given that RC's and CoE's say exactly the same creed and have roughly the same liturgies (high Church at least) and that most people do not even go to church anymore it all seems absurd to us now - but back in the day - it had a lot to do with money and new wealth.  A lot of the RC's holdings had been given to the "new" aristocracy - so they feared a Catholic monarch might restore all that had been looted back to the Church.  Also - a lot of the "old" nobility had either died, been hung or had been deprived of their lands and there was now a new  aristocracy who feared the emergence of the old guys if the Monarch was RC - so it had little to do with religion and a lot to do with power and wealth as usual.  Among though the regular people the old" ways did not die out so fast so they had to use a lot of anti catholic propaganda to kill the old religion among the regular people - hence the resulting prejudices etc..

The Percy's play an interesting role in all this - three Percy's either died in battle or were beheaded because they led revolts against Henry 8 and Lizzie I - a Percy was actually beatified which is the last step before being declared a saint (there is an RC church in Northumberland dedicated to him) and the Percy's remained RC until the 1700's - rather a long time for such an important family to hold on.  They finally convert because the economic and social isolation becomes threatening to them.  The Dukes of Norfolk - who are the oldest peerage and the highest ranked of the nobility - are still Catholic - given the penalties against being Catholic it is very amazing they survived.

There are some very touching stories about recuse Catholics in the North and how they were protected by their neighbors for centuries - kind of one of those things that stands out in the face of human stupidity - we sometimes do the right and kind thing.

I rather doubt the Scots taking a RC monarch - in the 1830's when Catholic emancipation occurred - it was the Scots who were most opposed to it - actual rioting occurred in protest.
But there is a great nostalgia for their Stuart monarchs so who knows.

Amazing how a simple refusal of an immediate annulment from Katherine of Aragon resulted in Henry VIII doing so many destructive things. First the break with Rome, the blasphemous declaration of himself as Head of the Church, then the destruction of the monasteries and convents and then the persecution of Catholics.


Title: Re: Continental Aristocracy
Post by: beline on November 18, 2014, 06:35:08 pm
Her fourth son Don Fernando, Marquess of San Vicente del Barco, announced her mother will be transferred to her home the Palacio de Duenas in the next hours. The Duchess is still seriously ill.

http://www.hola.com/actualidad/2014111875111/duquesa-alba-hijos/1/

Coming back home...for her last moments it seems.



Title: Re: Continental Aristocracy
Post by: Alexandrine on November 18, 2014, 07:13:06 pm
A treasure.... not really.


Title: Re: Continental Aristocracy
Post by: Alexandrine on November 18, 2014, 11:35:23 pm
She's already been transferred to her home, but some unconfirmed reports say she's died.


Title: Re: Continental Aristocracy
Post by: Countess of Holland on November 19, 2014, 10:02:54 am
This is horrible.

That woman is considered a treasure among Spaniards and an international social icon.

Charles II converted to Catholicism on his deathbed - LOL - had his fun first

Given that RC's and CoE's say exactly the same creed and have roughly the same liturgies (high Church at least) and that most people do not even go to church anymore it all seems absurd to us now - but back in the day - it had a lot to do with money and new wealth.  A lot of the RC's holdings had been given to the "new" aristocracy - so they feared a Catholic monarch might restore all that had been looted back to the Church.  Also - a lot of the "old" nobility had either died, been hung or had been deprived of their lands and there was now a new  aristocracy who feared the emergence of the old guys if the Monarch was RC - so it had little to do with religion and a lot to do with power and wealth as usual.  Among though the regular people the old" ways did not die out so fast so they had to use a lot of anti catholic propaganda to kill the old religion among the regular people - hence the resulting prejudices etc..

The Percy's play an interesting role in all this - three Percy's either died in battle or were beheaded because they led revolts against Henry 8 and Lizzie I - a Percy was actually beatified which is the last step before being declared a saint (there is an RC church in Northumberland dedicated to him) and the Percy's remained RC until the 1700's - rather a long time for such an important family to hold on.  They finally convert because the economic and social isolation becomes threatening to them.  The Dukes of Norfolk - who are the oldest peerage and the highest ranked of the nobility - are still Catholic - given the penalties against being Catholic it is very amazing they survived.

There are some very touching stories about recuse Catholics in the North and how they were protected by their neighbors for centuries - kind of one of those things that stands out in the face of human stupidity - we sometimes do the right and kind thing.

I rather doubt the Scots taking a RC monarch - in the 1830's when Catholic emancipation occurred - it was the Scots who were most opposed to it - actual rioting occurred in protest.
But there is a great nostalgia for their Stuart monarchs so who knows.

Amazing how a simple refusal of an immediate annulment from Katherine of Aragon resulted in Henry VIII doing so many destructive things. First the break with Rome, the blasphemous declaration of himself as Head of the Church, then the destruction of the monasteries and convents and then the persecution of Catholics.

The Catholics didn't exactly acted better in regards to the protestants (and Jews) though. The Inquisition, the attempts to squash resistance in protestant Netherlands (like taking the city of Naarden, locking everyone up at City Hall and eventually killing all men, women and children of the city), the Night of St. Bartholomew (when at least two of my ancestors were killed on the orders of the Catholic Queen Catherina de' Medici), the revoking of the Edict of Nantes, letting to thousands of French protestants having to either convert or be killed.

Fact is, the moment religion is involved, bad things happen. John Lennon had a good point in his song 'Imagine'.


Title: Re: Continental Aristocracy
Post by: Kuei Fei on November 19, 2014, 10:43:42 am
Amen and Amen.

Thing is, that I still say Henry VIII's craziness changed England from a stable oasis into just as filled with religious turmoil as everywhere else.

As for the Duchess, I will kind of miss hearing about her activities. She's someone who will be missed.


Title: Re: Continental Aristocracy
Post by: beline on November 19, 2014, 12:34:49 pm
The confessor of the Duchess of Alba just arrived at her home.

http://www.lavanguardia.com/gente/realeza/20141119/54420015268/confesor-duquesa-alba-palacio-duenas.html

https://translate.google.com/translate?sl=es&tl=en&js=y&prev=_t&hl=fr&ie=UTF-8&u=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.lavanguardia.com%2Fgente%2Frealeza%2F20141119%2F54420015268%2Fconfesor-duquesa-alba-palacio-duenas.html&edit-text=


Title: Re: Continental Aristocracy
Post by: Alexandrine on November 20, 2014, 09:21:55 am
she's died


Title: Re: Continental Aristocracy
Post by: Kuei Fei on November 20, 2014, 11:07:43 am
Rest In Peace Duchess. Death of a legend.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0Co-eKv5cuw
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-GK_CLETm0c
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oUfpH9pH2ew

This is sad; she shared toys as a child with Queen Elizabeth (when HM was a child).


Title: Re: Continental Aristocracy
Post by: beline on November 20, 2014, 12:14:33 pm
Requiescat in Pace.


Title: Re: Continental Aristocracy
Post by: Fly on the wall on November 20, 2014, 05:28:44 pm
Spanish aristocracy gather and well-wishers line the streets to mourn the loss of flamboyant billionaire the Duchess of Alba, who died at her home today aged 88 after battling pneumonia

Friends, relatives and well-wishers today paid their respects to Spain's Duchess of Alba, who died aged 88 after developing pneumonia.

Worth an estimated £2.2billion, she was one of Europe's wealthiest aristocrats. A spokeswoman said she died earlier today at her Seville residence, Duenas Palace.

Her coffin was driven from there past hundreds of tearful well-wishers to the Town Hall, where friends and family waited.

Once unloaded they followed it inside and surrounded it in quiet contemplation
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2842130/Spains-Duchess-Alba-Europes-richest-aristocrats-dies.html?ito=social-twitter_mailonline



Title: Re: Continental Aristocracy
Post by: Fly on the wall on December 21, 2014, 01:53:51 am
Descendants of notorious 19th Century writer the Marquis de Sade reclaim his title after 200 years of disowning novelist


Two centuries after his death, the descendants of the notorious Marquis de Sade have finally embraced their once-reviled relative.

The French aristocrat scandalised his contemporaries with his erotic works which saw him locked in prisons and an insane asylum for 32 years.

Now, the eldest member of the dynasty, Elzear de Sade, has said the family are no longer ashamed of their controversial ancestor and has reclaimed the title of marquis which has not been used since his 1814.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2881705/Descendants-notorious-19th-Century-writer-Marquis-Sade-reclaim-title-200-years-disowning-novelist.html




Title: Re: Continental Aristocracy
Post by: Tpearl on June 17, 2015, 02:45:20 am
Interesting read.


Title: Re: Continental Aristocracy
Post by: HRHOlya on July 08, 2017, 05:23:26 pm
Prince Ernst August of Hanover puts on lavish show of German tradition as he walks the aisle with his Russian fashion designer bride - but the groom's father is nowhere to be seen

    Prince Ernst August Jnr walked down the aisle with his Russian fashion designer bride Ekaterina Malysheva
    The couple, who have been together six years, officially tied the knot in a simple civil ceremony on Thursday
    But this was the chance to show off their 'official' matrimony, which includes two lavish castle celebrations 
    The groom's father, Prince Ernst August V, is reported to have refused to give the marriage his blessing


Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-4677838/Prince-Ernst-August-Hanover-walks-aisle-bride.html


Title: Re: Continental Aristocracy
Post by: Kuei Fei on July 08, 2017, 05:59:01 pm
Apparently there is no prenup, so if there's a divorce, she gets a huge chunk.


Title: Re: Continental Aristocracy
Post by: leogirl on July 08, 2017, 08:15:55 pm
no divorce pls


Title: Re: Continental Aristocracy
Post by: HRHOlya on September 17, 2017, 03:24:13 pm
Sealed with a kiss! European royals gather for the nuptials of Prince Ferdinand of Leiningen and Princess Viktoria Luise of Prussia (and they're BOTH descendants of Queen Victoria)

    Prince Ferdinand and Princess Viktoria Luise are third cousins via Victoria
    The couple, who are both 35, announced their engagement in January 2017
    Religious ceremony this weekend followed their civil reception in April
    Pair tied the knot on Saturday at Princely Abbey Church in Amorbach


Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/femail/article-4892260/Ferdinand-Leiningen-weds-Viktoria-Luise-Prussia.html


Title: Re: Continental Aristocracy
Post by: HRHOlya on September 27, 2017, 12:36:24 pm
Princess at war with her sister over £150million inheritance from their Italian film star mother who was 'obsessed with marrying them off to princes'

    Edoarda Crociani, 77, trapped daughters Princess Camilla de Bourbon des Deux Siciles, 46, and her sister Cristiana, 44, in a 'golden hell', Jersey Royal Court told
    She has been ordered to repay £149m taken from a Bahamian trust fund set up to benefit her two girls, which was created when they were teenagers
    Edoarda appeared in films under name Edy Vessel during the 1950s and 1960s


Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-4924676/Princess-war-sister-150million-inheritance.html


Title: Re: Continental Aristocracy
Post by: Fly on the wall on November 03, 2017, 08:18:28 pm
PRINCE CHRISTIAN OF HANOVER AND ALESSANDRA DE OSMA'S ROYAL WEDDING DATE HAS BEEN SET

A royal wedding will be taking places in the Americas next year. HOLA! can confirm that Prince Christian of Hanover and his fiancée Alessandra de Osma will say “I do” next March in the bride’s native Peru. It was revealed back in April that Princess Caroline of Monaco’s stepson and the Hispanic beauty, who is known as the “Princess of the Andes” are engaged. The couple first met in 2005 during Christian’s visit to the South American country. Alessandra, who was only 14 at the time, served as a cicerone for the Prince. After years of friendship the pair stepped out as a couple in 2011.
https://us.hola.com/en/celebrities/201706088546/prince-christian-hanover-alessandra-de-osma-wedding-2018-peru/


Title: Re: Continental Aristocracy
Post by: HRHOlya on November 28, 2017, 04:37:31 pm
The OTHER royal wedding! Monaco society decamps to London as Prince Christian of Hanover weds fashion designer in low-key civil ceremony

    Prince Christian of Hanover, 32, married his long-term girlfriend fashion designer Alessandra de Osma, 25, in a civil ceremony at Chelsea and Westminster registry office in London on Sunday
    Key figures in Monaco society attended the low-key union including Grace Kelly's grandson, Pierre Casiraghi and his wife Beatrice Borromeo, and Charlotte Casiraghi and her film producer boyfriend Dimitri Rassam
    Union was followed by a wedding breakfast at the Ritz hotel; couple will also marry in Peru on March 15th
    Prince Christian and Alessandra first met when she was just 14 after she acted as his tour guide in Peru
    The bride wore a 50s-style cream tweed coat from Chanel's 2017 autumn/winter collection with nude heels


Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/femail/article-5124241/Prince-Christian-Hanover-weds-Alessandra-Osma.html


Title: Re: Continental Aristocracy
Post by: YooperModerator on November 28, 2017, 04:49:15 pm
^Sweet!  Love her coat.


Title: Re: Continental Aristocracy
Post by: Little light on November 28, 2017, 10:10:53 pm
That is a lovley coat. So unusual too. And classy.


Title: Re: Continental Aristocracy
Post by: Akasha 85 on November 30, 2017, 01:31:35 am
hmm it looks fluffy and yet coarse at the same time.

personally I don't really like the rougher-ish raveling chanel tweed look  (sorry yooper! :hide:), for some reason it always makes me think that it's unfinished like, they forgot to do part of the seems and the thing could fall apart any minute ya know, and the fabric looks roughed up like they went over it with a steel brush
though I handled/fondled a few of those jackets at my job so... I do know they are quite soft and really wellmade up close (obviously given the pricetag! :wellduh:)
Maybe it's just the enlarged weave but that type of fabric makes my cringe when I see it.  :-X


Title: Re: Continental Aristocracy
Post by: YooperModerator on November 30, 2017, 01:41:10 am
^No, I understand what you mean and the frayed edge thing usually bothers me, too.  Chanel is difficult to wear.  I thought this was one if the better wearings is all and seems well suited for her body type and the event.


Title: Re: Continental Aristocracy
Post by: Akasha 85 on November 30, 2017, 03:03:04 am
True, it did look good on her.  :thumbsup:


Title: Re: Continental Aristocracy
Post by: HRHOlya on December 02, 2017, 09:57:47 pm
Horse-owning Marchioness of Moratalla is 'murdered' at her estate in France in feud over £1billion family fortune

    The Marchioness passed away at her manor in Bayonne, France, earlier this week
    Her eldest son Forester Labrouche has alleged that she was murdered
    His adopted brother German de la Cruz has angrily denied the allegations
    It comes after years of bitter legal battles between the brothers over her fortune
    Prosecutors opened investigation to determine how the Marchioness, 87, died


Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-5138799/Marchioness-Mortalla-murdered-son-claims.html


Title: Re: Continental Aristocracy
Post by: Akasha 85 on December 03, 2017, 01:31:05 am
she probably died due to heartbreak from seeing her kids fight over cold cash!  bignono :thumbsdown:  :sob: :ick:


Title: Re: Continental Aristocracy
Post by: HRHOlya on December 13, 2017, 06:07:36 pm
US World War Two spy Aline Griffith who became grandee of Spanish high society as the Countess of Romanones, dies aged 94

    At the start of the war she volunteered to join the forerunner of the CIA
    She was sent to Madrid to infiltrate the social elite that had ties to the Nazis
    Griffith booked into the Ritz and soon mixed with aristocrats, singers and actors
    She fell in love with an aristocrat, becoming a countess and giving up spying


Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-5174565/US-WW2-spy-Spanish-countess-Aline-Griffith-dies-94.html


Title: Re: Continental Aristocracy
Post by: HRHOlya on February 26, 2018, 01:51:25 pm
A new royal arrival! Princess Caroline of Monaco's stepson Ernst of Hanover and his wife welcome a baby daughter - seven months after tying the knot

    Prince Ernst August Jr of Hanover, 34, and wife welcomed daughter Elisabeth [on 22nd Feb]
    Royal wed Russian fashion designer Ekaterina Malysheva in July 2017
    His father married Princess Caroline of Monaco in 1999, but they have separated
    Father Prince Ernst August of Hanover refused to attend couple's wedding 


Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/femail/article-5435769/Princess-Ernst-Hanover-welcomes-child.html

Pic
http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/newpix/2018/02/26/12/499A488700000578-5435769-image-a-57_1519648750666.jpg


Title: Re: Continental Aristocracy
Post by: HRHOlya on March 16, 2018, 10:49:42 pm
Kate Moss joins Princesses Beatrice and Eugenie at lavish star-studded wedding of Prince Christian of Hanover and his fashion designer bride Alessandra de Osma in Peru

    Prince Christian of Hanover is the stepson of Princess Caroline of Monaco and married fashion designer Alessandra de Osma in November in a low-key wedding in Chelsea, London
    Now guests have jetted into Alessandra's native Peru for a second more lavish affair attended by Kate Moss and Princesses Eugenie and Beatrice during which they renewed their vows
    The couple first met in Peru in 2005, when a teenage Alessandra acted as Christian's tour guide on one of his visits to the nation, since which their relationship has blossomed


Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/femail/article-5509369/Prince-Christian-Hanover-Alessandra-Osma-prepare-wed.html


Title: Re: Continental Aristocracy
Post by: Rosella on March 16, 2018, 11:56:58 pm
The BRF are still reasonably close to the House of Hanover, and the Yorkies have been seen with the groom and bride before.

One of the biggest surprises at the wedding was the fact that Prince Ernst of Hanover, Caroline of Monaco's ex, turned up. He looked absolutely ghastly, and it's a wonder he has any liver left, but he was a guest and still walking upright.


Title: Re: Continental Aristocracy
Post by: Ariel on March 17, 2018, 08:31:27 pm
I find it interesting that they married in UK, not Germany and made a wedding in Peru, not Germany.


Title: Re: Continental Aristocracy
Post by: D.I.R. on March 17, 2018, 10:57:11 pm
errr.... she's not the first Peruvian to marry a European Prince...
So that nickname she got for being the Princess of the Andes is false.
A Spaniard Prince (from the de Bourbon house) married a Peruvian woman in the 30's or 40's.


Title: Re: Continental Aristocracy
Post by: HRHOlya on May 04, 2018, 10:37:51 pm
This fits here, due to the following comment from the linked article:

"The Hiltons hit the Euro-Jackpot for marriages again! Tessa [Gräfin von Walderdorff's] ancestors include Marie Antoinette, the former king of Bayern and Franz, Duke of Bavaria, head of the House of Wittelsbach, the former ruling family of the Kingdom of Bavaria. Conrad will receive a title when they marry, a Count or a Duke."

Going by "gräfin" it's "countess"; so "count" of "earl" for Barron Hilton, though titles are not recognized and even the curtesy ones go by old rules - husband's don't gain titles through their wives. But then some like to change the rules to non-existing things... :sigh:

Paris Hilton EXCLUSIVE: Socialite stuns in demure floral dress as she celebrates her brother Barron's fiancée's bridal shower

Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/tvshowbiz/article-5691087/Paris-Hilton-EXCLUSIVE-Socialite-stuns-brother-Barron-Hiltons-fianc-es-bridal-shower.html

Paris looks quite lovely actually. Tessa, the bride, is in the middle, and on the right we have Kathy Hilton
http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/newpix/2018/05/04/12/4BD672F900000578-0-image-a-136_1525432072947.jpg


Title: Re: Continental Aristocracy
Post by: HRHOlya on June 14, 2018, 08:08:38 pm
German prince, 41, who moved to UK to marry his English sweetheart is killed while riding with his baron friend at £2.5m country house

    Prince Georg-Constantin of Saxe-Weimar-Eisenach, 41, thrown from a horse
    The incident happened during a race near Apethorpe Palace, Northamptonshire
    He was successor to the House of Wettin and is a descendant of King George II
    He married Olivia Rachelle Page at a registry office in 2015 and moved to London

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-5843681/German-prince-moved-UK-marry-Englishwoman-killed-falling-horse-race.html


Title: Re: Continental Aristocracy
Post by: Alexandrine on June 14, 2018, 09:02:40 pm
So sad. RIP


Title: Re: Continental Aristocracy
Post by: HRHOlya on June 14, 2018, 10:59:01 pm
Indeed. So young. The house is with him now dead (extinct) as well, as he was the last heir.


Title: Re: Continental Aristocracy
Post by: Alexandrine on June 16, 2018, 08:31:28 am
Really? No cousins or anything?


Title: Re: Continental Aristocracy
Post by: HRHOlya on June 16, 2018, 01:30:52 pm
Apparently not. Someone on rd said this is it for this house.. Descendants of the house for sure must be living still, apart from late Georg, but none "eligible for the throne" so to speak.


Title: Re: Continental Aristocracy
Post by: HRHOlya on July 05, 2018, 09:47:10 pm
Royal weeding! German Princess Stephanie marries engineer in quirky ceremony as they pose with shovels in front of the Friedenstein castle

    Princess Stephanie of Saxe-Coburg and Gotha married Jan Stahl on Thursday
    The civil ceremony took place at theFriedenstein castle in Gotha, Germany
    The Princess, 46, planted a tree with engineer Jan, 49, to celebrate their unity

Princess Stephanie of Saxe-Coburg and Gotha married Jan Stahl in a civil ceremony in Gotha, Germany, on Thursday.

The nuptials took place at the Friedenstein castle, and was the first royal wedding to take place there in over 200 years.

Princess Stephanie, 46, was seen posing with shovels alongside BMW engineer Jan, who turns 50 in September, as they planted a tree to celebrate their union.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/femail/article-5922789/German-Princess-Stephanie-Saxe-Coburg-Gotha-marries-Jan-Stahl-quirky-ceremony.html


https://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/newpix/2018/07/05/20/4DF4323700000578-5922789-image-a-64_1530817667519.jpg
Princess Stephanie of Saxe-Coburg and Gotha married Jan Stahl in a civil ceremony in Gotha, Germany, on Thursday

https://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/newpix/2018/07/05/20/4DF4378B00000578-5922789-image-a-63_1530817662104.jpg
Princess Stephanie, 46, was seen posing with shovels alongside BMW engineer Jan, who turns 50 in September, as they planted a tree to celebrate their union


I suppose no Saxe-Coburg-Gothas Windsors attended? :sigh:


Title: Re: Continental Aristocracy
Post by: HRHOlya on July 23, 2018, 02:55:58 pm
Former wild child Princess Theodora Sayn-Wittgenstein of Germany, who once went on a drunken rampage at St Andrews University, marries company director in intimate church ceremony

    Princess Theodora Sayn-Wittgenstein married Earl Nikolaus Bethlen de Bethlen 
    Bavarian was fined £1,000 in 2014 after attacking St Andrew's University staff
    She always joked about 'killing Muslims' before stripping off and scaling a fence
    She looked world's away from her court appearance in a floor length gown

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/femail/article-5979157/German-Princess-Theodora-Sayn-Wittgenstein-marries.html

https://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/newpix/2018/07/22/09/4E79C8EB00000578-5979157-Her_Serene_Highness_Princess_Theodora_Sayn_Wittgenstein_married_-a-15_1532247685698.jpg

https://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/newpix/2018/07/22/09/4E79D45C00000578-5979157-In_2014_she_was_fined_1_000_when_she_bragged_of_killing_Muslims_-a-16_1532247713995.jpg

https://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/newpix/2018/07/22/09/4E79D4CC00000578-5979157-The_Princess_donned_an_ivory_floor_length_gown_with_a_white_coll-a-17_1532247740459.jpg


Title: Re: Continental Aristocracy
Post by: D.I.R. on July 28, 2018, 11:08:14 pm
French and noble in 2018: What remains of France's aristocracy?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hxghq9wgGs4


Title: Re: Continental Aristocracy
Post by: HRHOlya on September 02, 2018, 04:24:14 pm
European high society flocks to Switzerland to see Prince Konstantin of Bavaria tie the knot - with Princess Sofia of Sweden among the glamorous guests

    Prince Konstantin of Bavaria married wife Deniz Kaya in a church ceremony in St Moritz, Switzerland
    The bride looked stunning in an ivory lace gown, which she teamed with a sweeping full-length veil
    Konstatin is the son of Prince Leopold and Princess Ursula, and part of dynasty that ruled Bavaria until 1918

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/femail/article-6123501/European-high-society-flocks-Switzerland-Prince-Konstantin-Bavaria-tie-knot.html

No info on the bride at all, not even age. Going by her name she must be Turkish.
The groom looks older than 32!


Title: Re: Continental Aristocracy
Post by: HRHOlya on October 20, 2018, 09:43:31 pm
German royal Duchess Sophie Württemberg looks head over heels as she kisses her new husband French Count Maximilien d'Andigné at their wedding

    Duchess Sophie of Württemberg married Count Maximilien d'Andigné at the Castle of Tegernsee today
    Sophie, 24, and Maximilien, 29, were joined by fellow European aristocracy at the ceremony in Germany
    The Duchess is a descendant of the former royal family of the Kingdom of Württemberg near Bavaria
    She is also related to the Orléanist claimant to the French throne, Prince Henri, Count of Paris

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-6297943/German-Duchess-Sophie-W-rttemberg-marries-French-Count-Maximilien-dAndign.html



https://i.dailymail.co.uk/1s/2018/10/20/16/5231196-6297943-image-m-27_1540048372239.jpg

https://i.dailymail.co.uk/1s/2018/10/20/16/5231200-6297943-Duchess_Sophie_of_Wurtemberg_and_Count_Maximilien_of_Andigne_kis-a-28_1540048381336.jpg

https://i.dailymail.co.uk/1s/2018/10/20/16/5231184-6297943-image-a-41_1540050303490.jpg

https://i.dailymail.co.uk/1s/2018/10/20/15/5231160-6297943-image-a-7_1540047126098.jpg

https://i.dailymail.co.uk/1s/2018/10/20/18/5231224-6297943-Pictured_Duchess_Sophie_arrives_at_the_Saint_Quirin_Church_with_-a-4_1540056462766.jpg

https://i.dailymail.co.uk/1s/2018/10/20/17/5231210-6297943-image-a-70_1540051640144.jpg

https://i.dailymail.co.uk/1s/2018/10/20/15/5231164-6297943-image-a-10_1540047142433.jpg