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The British Royal Family *Windsor* => The Yorks => Topic started by: Nighthawk on February 21, 2011, 01:09:26 am



Title: Andrew's Scandal - Update: named in 'underage sex slave' lawsuit filed in U.S. court
Post by: Nighthawk on February 21, 2011, 01:09:26 am
Prince Andrew's choice of friends called into question AGAIN after four-day stay with a sex offender
 http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1358954/Prince-Andrews-choice-friends-called-question-AGAIN-day-stay-sex-offender.html#ixzz1EYElPvHN
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Prince Andrew’s judgment has again been called into question after he was pictured with a convicted child-sex offender.

The Duke of York is said to have spent four days at the Manhattan home of disgraced billionaire Jeffrey Epstein.

He was photographed strolling through Central Park with the 58-year-old financier, who is on the U.S. sex offenders’ register after he admitted soliciting teenage girls into prostitution

No wonder the royals are allowing the Middleton's to marry into this family...No standards nor morals at all  :thumbsdown: shame on them all


Title: Re: Prince Andrew's choice of friends called into question AGAIN after four-day stay
Post by: Kuei Fei on February 22, 2011, 03:58:58 pm
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Prince Andrew’s judgment has again been called into question after he was pictured with a convicted child-sex offender

NOW I understand why dear Uncle Gary got an invite to the wedding breakfast.


Title: Andrew's Scandal
Post by: Nighthawk on February 27, 2011, 12:21:19 pm
Prince Andrew and the 17-year-old girl his sex offender friend flew to Britain to meet him
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1361039/Prince-Andrew-girl-17-sex-offender-friend-flew-Britain-meet-him.html#ixzz1FA39AtgR

 :- :unsure:


Title: Re: Prince Andrew and the 17-year-old girl his sex offender friend flew to Britain
Post by: Kuei Fei on February 27, 2011, 02:13:44 pm
I read about this. Is Andrew utterly retarded?


Title: Re: Prince Andrew and the 17-year-old girl his sex offender friend flew to Britain
Post by: Alexandrine on February 27, 2011, 04:34:24 pm
I wonder if this being out now is not a coincidence


Title: Re: Prince Andrew and the 17-year-old girl his sex offender friend flew to Britain
Post by: benign on February 27, 2011, 04:44:57 pm
so what was the point of the article again? did PA have sex with the girl or not? If the girl didnt like it, why stay around?  another fishing expedition from the DM...


Title: Re: Prince Andrew and the 17-year-old girl his sex offender friend flew to Britain
Post by: YooperModerator on February 27, 2011, 05:56:44 pm
Hmm it doesn't mention sex per se but ... they were behaving very odd if you ask me at least if this story is true!
Maybe half of it was just a fictional story to make thing more juicy!
If I were in Andy's place sudden alarm bells would have gone of when they joked about her becoming to old for him! (the guy has 2 girls in that age group afterall!)
And a 17 yo masseuse?? I thought it was illegal in both UK & US to have under-age kids work like that in a household!
Don't tell me Andy was that naive!
A simple 'I didn't know' wont cut it in this case as far as I can see!
Let's hope they don't file charges....
Why is it that men always end up in such stupid compromising things? Footballers with prostitutes, Prince with young girl and all have pictures taken to prove it no less!
God are all men dumb! It just make me wanna (http://i1095.photobucket.com/albums/i462/akasha2411/Smileys/mad0218.gif) !
If you gonna do something that's not completely kosher don't EVER have you damn picture taken while doing it! You dofus! It might be flattering to your ego to show off BUT it always comes back to bite you in the arse!


Title: Re: Prince Andrew and the 17-year-old girl his sex offender friend flew to Britain
Post by: Earth Angel on February 27, 2011, 06:02:34 pm
I don't doubt this article considering what I've read about this guy previously and Andy's solid enduring connection to this alleged paedophile. UG will feel right at home with Andy and some of his shady friends me thinks.


Title: Re: Prince Andrew and the 17-year-old girl his sex offender friend flew to Britain
Post by: YooperModerator on February 27, 2011, 06:25:47 pm
pha no wonder they invited UG to the wedding!
It's all about contacting and networking i say!  :o


Title: Re: Prince Andrew and the 17-year-old girl his sex offender friend flew to Britain
Post by: Kuei Fei on February 27, 2011, 07:44:10 pm
The royals are stupid beacuse they have the courtiers working at cleaning things up after them. The courtiers are the ones doing all the work. If at any point, the courtiers just quit, then I do not doubt that the RF would completely collapse and I think a Darwinian end ot the monarchy is way overdue.


Title: Re: Prince Andrew and the 17-year-old girl his sex offender friend flew to Britain
Post by: Yooper on February 27, 2011, 07:58:49 pm
There's something seriously wrong with this, but I don't know enough to speak intelligently about it.  Why would PA even associate with this?  Is this the sort of oddity that Fergie was trying to 'sell'???


Title: Re: Prince Andrew and the 17-year-old girl his sex offender friend flew to Britain
Post by: Princess Alucard on February 27, 2011, 11:45:56 pm
WHAT!?!?!!?   :stop:  Well looks like UG has a new buddy


Title: Re: Prince Andrew and the 17-year-old girl his sex offender friend flew to Britain
Post by: Kuei Fei on February 28, 2011, 12:25:40 am
I really, really feel for hte princesses in having him for a father, Fergie for a mother.


Title: Re: Prince Andrew and the 17-year-old girl his sex offender friend flew to Britain
Post by: True Brit on February 28, 2011, 10:43:10 pm
I suspect this is why the Middletons have been allowed in despite their dodgy fortune details offshore and UG's drug dealing and vice girl antics. The Royals are every bit as bad - correction some of the Royals are. Trouble is PA has no real job and has an endless life of pleasure. Princess Margaret went the same way.
It's a good job Princess Anne had her head screwed on with her kids - no titles and earn yourself a living in this world.


Title: Re: Prince Andrew and the 17-year-old girl his sex offender friend flew to Britain
Post by: Earth Angel on February 28, 2011, 11:16:08 pm
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/debate/article-1361330/Sordid-friends-isnt-fit-job-Duke-York-risks-losing-ambassador-role.html

Everything about Andrew's business acumen is wrong, according to this article. It seems he mixes business with pleasure as a matter of course and thinks nothing of the characters he befriends! The article also has some more details about the alleged paedophile/animal that I refuse to address by name, as that would only serve to humanize him!  :ick:


Title: Re: Prince Andrew and the 17-year-old girl his sex offender friend flew to Britain
Post by: Earth Angel on March 01, 2011, 01:33:34 am
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1361589/Koo-Stark-defends-war-hero-ex-Andrew.html

While I agree that the royals are prone to misrepresentation in the press, Koo Stark was not wise to choose this instance to defend Andrew, imo.  :-

The evidence speaks for itself and there's no denying Andrew was fraternizing with the alleged paedophile/predator this past December, having attended a private dinner party hosted by the sex offender. Andrew knows full well the characters he associates with and that hasn't stopped him. It appears he thinks he is untouchable, imo. To even have his arm around the waist of a 17 year old, in a suggestive way, when middle aged, is questionable judgment on his part. And reportedly playing with a hand puppet with a teenage female on his knee?! He ought to do some explaining and he ought to be ashamed of his behaviors. However, I doubt he'll ever cut ties with any of the criminals he associates with. Afterall, many of their personal meetings were kept on the down low as it is, so obviously he knows the types of people he's gotten himself involved with. He is a disgrace and shouldn't be a representative of his country, imo. The bigger picture, of which Andrew is most definitely a part of, makes me sick to think about. :ick: ...  


Title: Duke of York must lose trade job, says Labour MP
Post by: Nighthawk on March 01, 2011, 04:53:50 pm
Duke of York must lose trade job, says Labour MP
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-12604190
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Shadow justice minister Chris Bryant said Prince Andrew was a "very close friend" of Saif al-Islam Gaddafi and says he should lose his role.

Prime Minister David Cameron told MPs he was not aware of such connections but he would look at the claims.


Prince Andrew should be sacked, demands MP
http://www.brisbanetimes.com.au/world/prince-andrew-should-be-sacked-demands-mp-20110301-1bbzk.html


Title: Re: Duke of York must lose trade job, says Labour MP
Post by: Yooper on March 01, 2011, 05:36:25 pm
Based on what I've read, I'm with the MP on this one.  He's been pushing the envelope for a long time.


Title: Re: Duke of York must lose trade job, says Labour MP
Post by: benign on March 01, 2011, 06:26:41 pm
either PA pissed someone off or someone is on a mission to destroy him. I understand the RF dont like to explain themselves, but they really need to say something about this.


Title: Re: Duke of York must lose trade job, says Labour MP
Post by: Yooper on March 01, 2011, 06:31:15 pm
Or maybe, for once, somebody is being held accountable for their behavior and that the entitlement factor is getting old.  This isn't just about the UK, he is representing himself globally.  Well, they're all supposed to be doing that.  HM has increased that IV drip, KF.  I'd bet money on it.


Title: Re: Duke of York must lose trade job, says Labour MP
Post by: YooperModerator on March 01, 2011, 11:57:13 pm
Yeah he's really making a mess of thinks lately!
I say, get out the whip HM and bring him back to order!
I think he should at least for a while back out, or be 'demoted' in the firm, put him on a leach or a side track.
He's royally messing up, and should be punished for it
I mean HM is in a way is a CEO and and one of her senior managers is hurting the image of the Firm.
Remove him before the whole thing goes down the drain!
That's what they do in every firm, the fact that he's your son should not matter in this case.


Title: Re: Duke of York must lose trade job, says Labour MP
Post by: Earth Angel on March 02, 2011, 01:10:55 am
I was never convinced he had no knowledge of Sara's selling access to him. She learned her shady business practices somewhere and it wouldn't surprise me if Andrew was her teacher. ...


Title: Prince Andrew given daily massages at mansion of sex case billionaire
Post by: Kuei Fei on March 02, 2011, 04:37:30 am
Prince Andrew given daily massages at mansion of sex case billionaire

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Prince Andrew holidayed and had daily massages at a Florida mansion where teenage girls were abused by a billionaire child sex offender, it can be revealed. 
Legal documents seen by the Mail describe how the Duke of York had regular rub-downs at Jeffrey Epstein’s £4million house in Palm Beach, where masseuses worked for £60 an hour.

Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1362034/Prince-Andrew-given-daily-massages-mansion-sex-case-billionaire.html#ixzz1FPiTa8oQ


Title: Re: Duke of York must lose trade job, says Labour MP
Post by: Kuei Fei on March 02, 2011, 04:39:10 am
HM won't do anything because, forgive me, she is a woman who is unable to literally comprehend the mess that is happening. Anyone else would have been jailed by now; you CAN, in the US at least, be charged as an accessory.


Title: Re: Prince Andrew and the 17-year-old girl his sex offender friend flew to Britain
Post by: Kuei Fei on March 02, 2011, 04:41:46 am
Koo is a fool to defend him. He treated her shabbily and now really isn't the time to defend such filth. How utterly disgusting and I am beginning ot think that this is why the Continental royals don't socialize all that much with the BRF. Utterly revolting and I have no CLUE on HOW he gets away with it. Anyone would have been brought in for questioning.


Title: Re: Duke of York must lose trade job, says Labour MP
Post by: YooperModerator on March 02, 2011, 12:00:10 pm
You know if been thinking :think:...I read somewhere that although HM may be The Queen, PP is the actual head of the family...
So maybe we are looking at the wrong person here, we should be wondering about Phillip's reaction to this whole mess instead I think.
I wonder what he has to say about it!
Who knows maybe HM isn't such an ostrich at all, maybe she's just following her husbands lead on this and other family matters and he is the one who's actually putting his head in the sand...
I mean if that is the deal they made at the beginning (he leads when it comes to family, she when it comes to politics and queen business)
The thing is most of the world probably has no idea about this 'deal' and are looking at HM anyway for guidance and response most of the time, she's the figurehead of the UK after al!
So there should be some sort of response from her to the public even if she believes this is a private family matter!


Title: Re: Duke of York must lose trade job, says Labour MP
Post by: Kuei Fei on March 02, 2011, 02:08:09 pm
HM haas final say though over anything. When Diana and Fergie were acting out, HM kept Philip and everyone else from getting both under some control, constantly forbidding them, or when she did give orders, she always withdrew when Diana or Fergie confronted her about it. The Duke shoudl also lose his title and be shipped off to some isolated area as well. He'll still be Prince Andrew, but not the Duke of York.


Title: Re: Duke of York must lose trade job, says Labour MP
Post by: Yooper on March 02, 2011, 02:10:55 pm
What do you all think BP/HM will do about this?  It's absolutely time for a strong reaction.


Title: Re: Duke of York must lose trade job, says Labour MP
Post by: Kuei Fei on March 02, 2011, 02:28:43 pm
Chances are, nothing. Look at how they have reacted to other major problems, look at how they've reacted to William slipping Kate under the door.


Title: Why are so few newspapers carrying the Prince Andrew story?
Post by: Nighthawk on March 02, 2011, 05:24:57 pm
Why are so few newspapers carrying the Prince Andrew story?
http://www.guardian.co.uk/media/greenslade/2011/mar/01/prince-andrew-dailymail
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Why are so few newspapers running with the story about Prince Andrew and his friendship with the convicted alleged paedophile Jeffrey Epstein?

The News of the World published a picture of the men together on 20 February and this was followed up next day by the Daily Mail, Prince Andrew's choice of friends called into question again.

The Mail and Mail on Sunday subsequently carried several articles, including one this weekend in which a woman told how, when she was 17, she flew to Britain at Epstein's insistence to meet the prince. There was a picture of them together.

I would have thought this story was manna from heaven for The Sun. It involves a member of the royal family enjoying what must surely be regarded as an inappropriate relationship. Isn't that Sun territory any longer?



Title: Re: Why are so few newspapers carrying the Prince Andrew story?
Post by: Kuei Fei on March 02, 2011, 06:21:03 pm
Mainly because there is so much going on right now it's impossilbe to keep up with.


Title: Prince Andrew and 'naked pool parties' at his alleged paedophile friend's house
Post by: Nighthawk on March 03, 2011, 05:42:56 am
Prince Andrew and 'naked pool parties' at his alleged paedophile friend's house
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1362380/Prince-Andrew-naked-pool-parties-alleged paedophile-friends-house.html#ixzz1FVp3ytgN

No wonder Kate's family is being so well recieved into this family. They're really no better are they  :whistle: :thumbsdown:


Title: Re: Prince Andrew and 'naked pool parties' at his alleged paedophile friend's house
Post by: Yooper on March 03, 2011, 05:49:04 am
 :thumbsdown:

Boy, I'm sick of this whole bunch.  You're right, Nighthawk, it's a matter of glass houses now, isn't it?


Title: Re: Prince Andrew and 'naked pool parties' at his alleged paedophile friend's house
Post by: Nighthawk on March 03, 2011, 06:26:49 am
Yup the royal family can't be throwing stones, from naked pool parties, to ex wifes sucking lovers twos, future wifes going to sex parties, to adultry this family fits right in


Title: Re: Prince Andrew and 'naked pool parties' at his alleged paedophile friend's house
Post by: Kuei Fei on March 03, 2011, 06:38:37 am
Boy, I'm sick of this whole bunch.  You're right, Nighthawk, it's a matter of glass houses now, isn't it?

No wonder the RF is being taken out of the Civil List and governments are being overthrown over stuff like this.


Title: Re: Prince Andrew and 'naked pool parties' at his alleged paedophile friend's house
Post by: Yooper on March 03, 2011, 03:43:09 pm
KF - I'm not sure where I read that you said you hadn't understood their Republican POV until now, but I, too, didn't quite understand.  I get it now.  For me, the monarchy has always been an occasional distraction and I found their antics unpleasant, but somewhat salacious and interesting/a giggle.  It's not funny anymore.  Not to me anyway.


Title: Re: Prince Andrew and 'naked pool parties' at his alleged paedophile friend's house
Post by: Kuei Fei on March 03, 2011, 03:46:46 pm
I thought the monarchy was important and the Republican sentiment was just plain class envy with SOME understandable concerns thrown in, but now I could just vomit and I am REALLY beginning to understand why the other monarchies in France and Russia got overthrown by angry mobs.


Title: PA's associations may imperil Royal Family
Post by: Yooper on March 03, 2011, 06:23:22 pm
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/debate/article-1362385/Prince-Andrews-addiction-shady-plutocrats-imperil-Royal-Family.html?ito=feeds-newsxml


Title: Re: Prince Andrew and 'naked pool parties' at his alleged paedophile friend's house
Post by: Nighthawk on March 05, 2011, 11:33:58 am
Prince Andrew's big mistake: Humiliated Duke of York vows to end friendship with billionaire alleged paedophile
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1363163/Prince-Andrew-vows-end-friendship-billionaire-alleged paedophile-Jeffrey-Epstein.html#ixzz1FiwD15Ek


Title: Re: Prince Andrew and 'naked pool parties' at his alleged paedophile friend's house
Post by: Kuei Fei on March 05, 2011, 06:01:55 pm
He had no business being friends in the first place.


Title: Re: Prince Andrew and 'naked pool parties' at his alleged paedophile friend's house
Post by: Nighthawk on March 05, 2011, 06:07:16 pm
I agree KF..no business there what so ever ....only reason he admits to making a mistake is because he got caught with his hands in the cookie jar IMO


Title: Re: Prince Andrew and 'naked pool parties' at his alleged paedophile friend's house
Post by: YooperModerator on March 05, 2011, 10:20:10 pm
^yup
Ah damn! I'm so disappointed in their behaviour lately.  bignono
And I thought the nineties were the scandal years for the Windsors!
Looks like it's starting again!
Fiurst the wikileak stuff, now alleged pedo stuff oh and let's not forget the shady Arab and Russian business partners!
HM get your family in line already!!


Title: Re: PA's associations may imperil Royal Family
Post by: True Brit on March 05, 2011, 10:55:58 pm
This story is getting bigger by the day. This is just one of the stories being carried by the Telegraph. I have also posted it in the Royal Wedding thread as I am increasingly of the opinion that the rushed engagement/wedding is damage limitation in the hope it would take the flack for this story. The press has known about this for ten years. A story going around says it was about to break late last year and they kept the lid on it for a while longer.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/theroyalfamily/8362690/Prince-Andrew.html

P.S. The son of a very good friend of mine served under PA in the navy and he was generally loathed and regarded as an arrogant pig. And has Fergie been a fall guy for him?


Title: Re: Why are so few newspapers carrying the Prince Andrew story?
Post by: True Brit on March 05, 2011, 10:58:58 pm
It's really unravelling now and the papers are all on to it. I would imagine the palace has tried to keep a very tight lid on it but in the end the truth will out. According to the Telegarph there are major concerns at the highest level of Govt now and some secret meeting between PA and senior Govt official has taken place.


Title: Re: PA's associations may imperil Royal Family
Post by: YooperModerator on March 05, 2011, 11:11:01 pm
Huh guess mousie was right there was a big story coming up!
But not on WK it's PA and his doings
They sat on this one for ten! years?? My they sure have patience.....


Title: Re: PA's associations may imperil Royal Family
Post by: Raisie on March 05, 2011, 11:14:28 pm
Yes,i believed it was going to be as big as Uncle Gary scandal but as you say akasha turn to be that it was not from WK,sad we wanted something to make us happy  lols


Title: Re: PA's associations may imperil Royal Family
Post by: Earth Angel on March 06, 2011, 01:40:07 am
The Daily Mail reported about Andrew's visit to Epstein's NYC residence back in December, right after it occurred. I'm more apt to think his associations with Libya are the straw that broke the camel's back, so to speak. And perhaps Andrew's scandal is the diversion from a Middleton one. There's something about the Middleton camp that the media is sitting on~my women's intuition is sure of it!


Title: Re: PA's associations may imperil Royal Family
Post by: Kuei Fei on March 06, 2011, 03:23:24 am
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There's something about the Middleton camp that the media is sitting on~my women's intuition is sure of it!

The press is just WAITING (pun intended) to get this marriage through and start excoriating Kate.


Title: Hanging by a thread: Major setback for Prince Andrew
Post by: Kuei Fei on March 06, 2011, 03:28:46 am
Hanging by a thread: Major setback for Prince Andrew as Vince Cable refuses to back him as trade envoy

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Prince Andrew's hopes of surviving as a UK trade envoy suffered a major setback last night when Business Secretary Vince Cable refused to say he should stay in the post.

Mr Cable, whose department is responsible for UK Trade and Investment (UKTI), where the Duke is a special representative, said he had made a ‘valuable contribution’ to UKTI’s work.

But crucially, asked if the Prince should continue in the role, Mr Cable’s spokeswoman said: ‘No comment.’


http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1363443/Vince-Cable-refuses-Prince-Andrew-trade-envoy.html#ixzz1FmpFJvsC


Title: Former Foreign Office Minister: Why I thought Andrew should go – and still do
Post by: Kuei Fei on March 06, 2011, 03:30:07 am
Former Foreign Office Minister: Why I thought Andrew should go – and still do

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I first met the Duke of York back in November 2004 when he came to visit the Rhondda Sea Cadets in Llwynypia in my constituency.

The youngsters were really excited to have a Royal visit and I confess it all went swimmingly – or at least it did until we discovered the following day that he hadn’t driven to Rhondda as any sane person would.


Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/debate/article-1363383/Former-Foreign-Office-Minister-Why-I-thought-Andrew--do.html#ixzz1Fmpamnyz


Title: Re: Hanging by a thread: Major setback for Prince Andrew
Post by: Nighthawk on March 06, 2011, 05:47:25 am
IMO PA needs to step down...and walk away ...this guy is no better than his ex wife.


Title: Re: Hanging by a thread: Major setback for Prince Andrew
Post by: June on March 06, 2011, 01:17:34 pm
^ Now we know why he was never tough with Fergie, why he has stood by her and why he has continued to support her. Birds of a feather and all that ...  :whistle:

Who knew?   :rolleyes:

And, it makes me wonder what dirty little secrets Fergie knows about.  :think:

I think that this is just the tip of the iceberg ... Andrew's cavorting with that young model on that yacht was nauseating for a man of his age and position.  :ick:

I think someone has been waiting to expose him, quite frankly, as he isn't very popular at all; he has rubbed many people the wrong way, and is arrogant, IMO. It's a shame because when I was growing up, he was always presented as the very sexy, hot Prince, whereas Charles was just the posh, boring future King.


Title: Re: PA's associations may imperil Royal Family
Post by: Nighthawk on March 06, 2011, 02:21:56 pm
The Duke of York and a threat to the Monarchy
 http://www.dailymail.co.uk/debate/article-1363398/The-Duke-York-threat-Monarchy.html#ixzz1FpTGDDDU


Title: I will Not Quit, Vows "Smeared" Prince Andrew
Post by: Nighthawk on March 06, 2011, 02:34:55 pm
I WILL NOT QUIT, VOWS 'SMEARED' PRINCE ANDREW
 http://www.express.co.uk/posts/view/232854/I-will-not-quit-vows-smeared-Prince-AndrewI-will-not-quit-vows-smeared-Prince-Andrew#ixzz1FpVAjkw7
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The Duke of York has told friends he believes he is the victim of a smear campaign and has no intention of standing down as the UK’s special representative for international trade and investment as he has done “nothing improper”.
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“Does he need to change? Yes, he knows that. There will be a period of taking stock. But will he quit? No, and he has the full support of the Palace. He has been attacked from all sides and there are people who clearly want his scalp, but he insists he’s done nothing improper.”

Hanging out with a Sex offender that has been convicted of such a crime is Not Nothing!!! and it is very improper.  Who is this jerk trying to kid... himself.  And for the Palace backing him up what a Shame.  IMO this tells me that PA and the Ones backing him up.  That it's ok to hang and run with People that are Known Child Molesters.


Title: Re: I will Not Quit, Vows "Smeared" Prince Andrew
Post by: Yooper on March 06, 2011, 02:46:48 pm
"Taking stock"?  This sounds, to me, like the epitomy of arrogance and 'don't touch my robe' thinking.  What exactly does he mean by knowing he's done something wrong and then in the same train of thought to think that he can continue as before with no consequences?  This boggles my mind.  There has GOT to be some accountability and I'm sorry, but I'm rather disappointed in HM for not taking a stronger, global stand on this, son or no. 



Title: Re: I will Not Quit, Vows "Smeared" Prince Andrew
Post by: Earth Angel on March 06, 2011, 05:50:09 pm
Well ... although this could be perceived as a smear campaign, Andrew is hardly a victim. In the wrong place at the wrong time with the wrong friends? Perhaps. However, his insolence in not taking more of the blame and shame for his bad judgments is reprehensible and will only lead to more anger on the part of those already insensed. And the pattern of bad judgment has obviously filtered down to his daughters' most recent choice in entertainment venue. ...

There's something very wrong with this picture. Why are the royals normalizing seedy behaviors and not even affected by the perversity of it all? Or so it seems! It's just not right to be condoning such sick & twisted behaviors that have seemingly pervaded the upper eschelons of British society. ...

I don't know that I agree Andrew should lose his position or step down as trade envoy, as I believe he's really not that bad compared to some of the company he keeps. Unfortunately, it's the way of the world in many business circles where power, wealth, and ingratiations have gone to men's heads. However, Andrew needs to turn his back on such company and be the better person by refusing to do business with such people. Ahhh, but then there would be money lost for Britain and apparently the most important point to his work is the almighty dollar! Such a shame.


Title: Re: Hanging by a thread: Major setback for Prince Andrew
Post by: Kuei Fei on March 06, 2011, 05:58:38 pm
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whereas Charles was just the posh, boring future King.

Go figure, Charles hasn't at least been cavorting with models and underage KIDS! I am more than sure while the press bashed Charles, that they never realized what Adnrew would get up to! With anyone normal, siad man would be hanging by a rope.


Title: Re: I will Not Quit, Vows "Smeared" Prince Andrew
Post by: June on March 06, 2011, 07:32:42 pm
Honestly, since KM has been permitted to marry PW - well, just the fact that she was allowed to keep intimate company with him for so many years, tells me everything I personally need to know about the Windsors.

And, let's not forget about UG - and the *cough* "hard line" that was taken over that.

The fact that a harder line hasn't been taken neither shocks nor impresses me.  :bored:


Title: Re: Hanging by a thread: Major setback for Prince Andrew
Post by: June on March 06, 2011, 07:35:30 pm
^ True, KF, but I think Andrew went "under the radar" because once William and Harry came along, Andrew became redundant, literally.

I hope the same fate doesn't await Prince Harry.  :nervous: Look at Andrew's life in latter years: it's been one decadent display to another, a total wastrel and playboy, who seems to have no identity.


Title: Prince Andrew woes a distraction as wedding nears
Post by: Nighthawk on March 06, 2011, 08:54:53 pm
Prince Andrew woes a distraction as wedding nears
http://www.deseretnews.com/article/700116035/Prince-Andrew-woes-a-distraction-as-wedding-nears.html?s_cid=rss-5
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Less than two months before a fairytale wedding anticipated by much of the world, Britain's royal family finds itself fighting an inconvenient distraction: revelations that Prince Andrew, the queen's second son, is friends with a convicted sex offender, was photographed with a teenage prostitute, and has been accused of ties to Moammar Gadhafi's Libyan regime.

The Duke of York also hosted the son of the Tunisian dictator shortly before a popular uprising drove him from power — and the buildup of embarrassment has sparked calls that he be stripped of his role as special U.K. trade representative.


So this is being seen as a fairytale wedding just like his Mother and Father...Then Prince William and Kate will be divorced in the near future.  Look how His mothers "fairytales wedding turned out to be"

So Prince Andrews headlines are taking away from the wedding oh poo


Title: Re: Prince Andrew woes a distraction as wedding nears
Post by: June on March 06, 2011, 09:45:27 pm
Exactly ... what arrant nonsense! These journos are a hoot ... the world still spins on its axis and most in this world don't give a damn about this wedding!  :eightball:

Here's a figure for these ignorant journos: how about .01% in the world care about this wedding?


Title: Re: I will Not Quit, Vows "Smeared" Prince Andrew
Post by: Kuei Fei on March 06, 2011, 09:57:33 pm
He isnt' being smeared or victimized by the press! Chelsy was smeared! Charles has been smeared! Anne has been smeeared! IF he were being so badly and unfairly treated, he wouldn't be up to claiming diplomatic immunity about this, but cooperating with the FBI and if I were him, I would be ordering an aide to make an appointment to meet them!


Title: Re: Prince Andrew woes a distraction as wedding nears
Post by: True Brit on March 06, 2011, 11:30:18 pm
They sold us the fairytale wedding of Charles and Diana as the union of a handsome prince (?) and  a beautiful young artistocratic virgin.
Now they are back with another fairytale wedding this time between a handsome prince and his commoner bride who met and fell hoplessly in love as university students. Trying to give it a modern edge. It's still a fable the media are trying to sell us.


Title: Re: Prince Andrew woes a distraction as wedding nears
Post by: Ella on March 07, 2011, 12:16:13 am
If you check the newest DM article (Don't know where it is on here), his PA pleaded the fifth as to if he had sex with underaged girls. He's screwed.


Title: Re: Prince Andrew woes a distraction as wedding nears
Post by: Ella on March 07, 2011, 12:37:32 am
his meaning Epstein's. I suck at this...Wow, Andrew's been really messing up for a few years. How could be in the presence of girls younger than his daughters and not think something was wrong?


Title: The Duke of York and a threat to the Monarchy
Post by: Kuei Fei on March 07, 2011, 12:42:07 am
The Duke of York and a threat to the Monarchy

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It is increasingly difficult to see how the Duke of York can continue to act as an official envoy of the British Government.

In recent days, he has been criticised openly and legitimately in the House of Commons, which is usually very reluctant to allow discussion of the Monarchy, for his past and present business links.


Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/debate/article-1363398/The-Duke-York-threat-Monarchy.html#ixzz1FrzqoZzS


Title: Minister reveals lack of support for Andrew as pressure grows to quit
Post by: Kuei Fei on March 07, 2011, 12:46:48 am
We'd shed no tears for him: Minister reveals lack of support for Andrew as pressure grows to quit

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The Duke of York is under growing pressure to resign as Britain’s trade ambassador or face a humiliating reduction of his globe-trotting role.

As the Jeffrey Epstein scandal intensified, unease was deepening in the Cabinet with ministers privately suggesting they would ‘shed no tears’ if the prince fell on his sword.

Yesterday came the first indications that his role as special representative for UK Trade and Investment could be downgraded if he refuses to budge

Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1363668/Wed-shed-tears-Minister-reveals-lack-support-Andrew-pressure-grows-quit.html#ixzz1Fs0zwq6r


Title: Why wasn’t Andrew saved from himself?
Post by: Kuei Fei on March 07, 2011, 12:48:22 am
Why wasn’t Andrew  saved from himself?

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As more details emerge of his friendship with a billionaire alleged paedophile, it would be an understatement to say that Prince Andrew finds himself in an increasingly difficult position.

The only wonder is that nothing was done to bring his conduct into line  years ago, before it could threaten to compromise the good name of the country and monarchy he represents.

Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/debate/article-1363639/Why-wasn-t-Andrew-saved-himself.html#ixzz1Fs1K1c3P

I am more than sure the courtiers warned Andrew well of it, stupid pig just didn't listen.


Title: Re: Why wasn’t Andrew saved from himself?
Post by: Nighthawk on March 07, 2011, 01:09:15 am
He's in his 50's if he can't save himself at his age then there is a huge problem.  He's a grown man even if he's a "Prince" he must answer for his stupidity just like anyone else IMO


Title: Re: Minister reveals lack of support for Andrew as pressure grows to quit
Post by: Nighthawk on March 07, 2011, 01:15:53 am
He has no business being a trade ambassador, he has no business representing the RF nor the country IMO He needs to step down and go find a hole to hide in IMO


Title: Re: Minister reveals lack of support for Andrew as pressure grows to quit
Post by: Kuei Fei on March 07, 2011, 01:30:03 am
I swear to God, he gets worse and worse. This isn't about bad press, but a FELONY CRIME that will likely blow up in the US as well.


Title: Re: Why wasn’t Andrew saved from himself?
Post by: Earth Angel on March 07, 2011, 01:41:16 am
I read a comment on a yahoo article the other day that point blank stated some people view Britain as the most corrupt government/realm in the Western world. The MP's can't pull a holier than thou attitude now. And honestly, Andrew is a product of his environment and culture. Such doesn't make his conduct okay and he should be held accountable for any impropriety and/or inappropriate activities. However, it's the business culture of our globalized economy that has to change just as much as it is Andrew. ...


Title: Re: Minister reveals lack of support for Andrew as pressure grows to quit
Post by: Yooper on March 07, 2011, 02:30:16 am
Once HM is gone, the gloves are going to come off.  He's hiding behind her skirts, which I think is deplorable, but seems to be the case.  From a world-wide point of view, the monarchy's image keeps nose-diving and I am becoming less and less impressed with the lot of them.  However, having listened to my lawyer-son forEVER, let's see what the FBI comes up with and any other investigations, which I have no doubt will be unpleasant.  He should save face NOW, but that doesn't seem to be the way that group works.  It's deny, deny, deny to the death.  Amazing.

No matter what, HM needs this like another upstart marrying into the family.


Title: Re: I will Not Quit, Vows "Smeared" Prince Andrew
Post by: Yooper on March 07, 2011, 02:38:27 am
Yep, KF.  That's the only wise strategy to take, but it doesn't seem to be the path chosen.  Fine.  Let the chips fall where they may, but what senseless behavior.  I'm all for understanding the political machine and you have to deal with unpleasant people from time to time, but this is a different arena.  The whole point of the monarchy is to be an oasis of dignity and reserve, and this is just sloppy, greedy and tawdry.  Throwing KM and the Middletons into this is another mess to clean up later.  I, right now, at the end of a very long day of having to actually work to keep my life in order, have zero tolerance.

It'll be better tomorrow.   :flower:


Title: Re: Why wasn’t Andrew saved from himself?
Post by: Ella on March 07, 2011, 02:41:33 am
I can't agree with the article. He's 50. 50, not 5, not 15, not even 25. He should know better. No one needs to save him, nor should anyone be responsible for saving him. If we say anyone should have "saved" him from his dumb self, it should have been his mother and matriarch of the family, not someone on his payroll. Obv. once you're an adult, only you can answer for your actions, but it seems like he was raised with no values whatsoever. Who has to be told not to hang out with the kind of crowd he runs with?

In one of the newer articles, it says that one of his deals makes the royals millions. HM never cared that said deal might not be on the up and up when it was helping line her pockets. Maybe it's too harsh, but she's protected him from these articles for years, I hope she doesn't turn her back on him and will lose respect for her if she does. If I let my dog nip and bite people, I can't be pissed or divert blame when he mauls someone, I let him get away with it and it's a failure and reflection on me since I'm responsible for his behavior.

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Equally, we appreciate it would be unreasonable to expect him, simply by virtue of his birth, to have special gifts of intellect, diplomacy or judgment.
^That bothers me. If you're enjoying privileges by the virtue of your birth, you best damn well prove you deserve them, you can't take all the perks then whine when people expect you to be better by the same virtue.


Title: Re: Minister reveals lack of support for Andrew as pressure grows to quit
Post by: Kuei Fei on March 07, 2011, 02:44:00 am
HM simply cannot protect him. If the FBI wants him, it may well result in the Prime Minister convening parliament and then ordering Andrew to cooperate and I think it's well nigh time that the MPs start putting these arrogant pigs in their place. Andrew and anyone else was a FOOL to think that Parliament would support him, being friends with a convicted sex offender indeed! HM will have to hand Andrew over, even if it means taking HM down, Parliament may well do it.


Title: Re: Why wasn’t Andrew saved from himself?
Post by: Kuei Fei on March 07, 2011, 02:46:39 am
I'm more than sure that the courtiers told him, but he stupidly didn't listen, likely fancying that the Court would clean up his mess, just like they do ALL THE TIME for the RF. Or that ti would blow over or that he wouldn't get caught, things like that.


Title: "There's more muck to be found" Guardian
Post by: True Brit on March 07, 2011, 12:18:18 pm

Roy Greenslade is a former and respected editor of the Daily Mirror and now writes a media column in the Guardian's media section which is closely followed by all pro journalists. He is questioning why it took so long for the press to pick up on the Andrew story.

It would seem His Royal Sleeziness is insisting on going ahead with a "trade mission" to Saudi Arabia in the next few weeks. Even though he's up to his neck in scandal and the Saudis are arming up to repel the growing unrest from its highly supressed citizens.

And he concludes:
"And, for the record, I am given to understand that if the muckrakers rake a little more, there is more muck to be found."

http://www.guardian.co.uk/media/greenslade/2011/mar/07/prince-andrew-national-newspapers


Title: Re: "There's more muck to be found" Guardian
Post by: Anne-Elliot on March 07, 2011, 12:26:52 pm
Surely he can't go ahead with the Saudi visit?  It would be farcical - the press will be all over the trip!   
If PA had a shred of decency, he would recognise the embarrassment he was causing HM & step down.   I dread to think what else the press will dig up.......

(http://smileys.smileycentral.com/cat/3/3_11_5v.gif)


Title: Re: "There's more muck to be found" Guardian
Post by: June on March 07, 2011, 12:39:37 pm
He has clearly always been arrogant, but he is just being exposed now. I remember when he made some offensive comment re banking executives fat salaries, options and bonuses - he wouldn't retract or apologise for that, either.  :thumbsdown:


Title: Re: I will Not Quit, Vows "Smeared" Prince Andrew
Post by: June on March 07, 2011, 01:05:01 pm
I had to post, just to show that there are far more comments about Andrew than Waity or the wedding - respected Oz paper:

http://www.smh.com.au/lifestyle/people/a-right-royal-scandal-prince-andrew-under-fire-20110307-1bk01.html (http://www.smh.com.au/lifestyle/people/a-right-royal-scandal-prince-andrew-under-fire-20110307-1bk01.html)


Title: Melanie Phillips on the growing scandal
Post by: True Brit on March 07, 2011, 09:59:51 pm
http://www.spectator.co.uk/melaniephillips/6762270/beyond-satire.thtml

The Spectator is a right wing magazine and (I would guess pro Monarchy). Melanie wrote the scathing piece about the Royal Wedding in the DM. She is spot on again this matter has yet some way to run and it is enveloping the Govt, the Monarchy and the country.


Title: Re: Melanie Phillips on the growing scandal
Post by: YooperModerator on March 07, 2011, 11:19:30 pm
Harsh but true!
From an outsiders POV Britain is starting to look really bad!


Title: Re: Melanie Phillips on the growing scandal
Post by: Earth Angel on March 08, 2011, 01:33:16 am
Somewhere on this forum, a long, long time ago (or so it seems) I commented and defended that the UK appeared to be unraveling at the seams. And that was BEFORE all the chaos of the recent days. It doesn't look good at all. Perhaps our Navy SEALS will enter the UK in the dead of night, be mistaken as friends, and then get control of the place.  lol


Title: Prince Andrew must decide whether to continue in trade role, says Vince Cable
Post by: Nighthawk on March 08, 2011, 01:54:28 am
Prince Andrew must decide whether to continue in trade role, says Vince Cable
http://www.guardian.co.uk/uk/2011/mar/07/prince-andrew-decide-trade-role-vince-cable



Title: Re: Prince Andrew must decide whether to continue in trade role, says Vince Cable
Post by: Kuei Fei on March 08, 2011, 05:10:00 am
Insane idea. Andrew should be removed and forcibly retired from public life. Same with his hideous wife and the two princesses should be put under the supervision of the Court and givne therapy.


Title: Prince Andrew: useful envoy or liability?
Post by: Nighthawk on March 10, 2011, 01:14:42 am
Prince Andrew: useful envoy or liability?
http://www.guardian.co.uk/uk/2011/mar/09/prince-andrew-saga-of-embarrassments


Title: alleged paedophile Jeffrey Epstein’s weekend in the Queen’s most cherished hideaway
Post by: Nighthawk on March 13, 2011, 12:01:56 am
alleged paedophile Jeffrey Epstein’s weekend in the Queen’s most cherished hideaway
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1365715/alleged paedophile-Jeffrey-Epstein-s-weekend-Queen-s-cherished-hideaway.html#ixzz1GQu3KNFk
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High-profile names may face child abuse charges
The American inquiry into disgraced financier Jeffrey Epstein could lead to charges against businessmen, politicians and intellectuals who allegedly took part in sex sessions with his harem of under-age girls.
According to legal documents, Prince Andrew had regular massages at the Florida mansion where Epstein employed teenagers as his personal ‘sex slaves’.
The Mail on Sunday has revealed that he also flew girls to meet some of the world’s richest and most powerful men at an isolated ranch and his private Caribbean island.


Title: Re: Prince Andrew's choice of friends called into question AGAIN after four-day stay
Post by: Nighthawk on March 13, 2011, 12:53:40 am
Prince Andrew's link to sex offender Jeffrey Epstein taints royalty in US
The Duke of York's friendship with billionaire convicted alleged paedophile Jeffrey Epstein has put him on American front pages
http://www.guardian.co.uk/uk/2011/mar/13/prince-andrew-jeffrey-epstein


Title: Duke’s friend asks for gagging order
Post by: Nighthawk on April 08, 2011, 06:35:45 pm
Duke’s friend asks for gagging order
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/northamerica/usa/8436823/Dukes-friend-asks-for-gagging-order.html
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A sex offender and friend of the Duke of York has asked a judge to ban his alleged victims’ lawyers from talking to the press, after one told The Daily Telegraph they wanted to interview Prince Andrew.

I'd want all my friends gagged too from the press with these types of charges  :rolleyes:


Title: MP to defy 800-year-old rule to attack Prince Andrew in House of Commons
Post by: Nighthawk on May 08, 2011, 03:53:27 am
MP to defy 800-year-old rule to attack Prince Andrew in House of Commons
 http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1384755/MP-defy-800-year-old-rule-attack-Prince-Andrew-House-Commons.html#ixzz1Lj3Qs5cQ


Title: Re: MP to defy 800-year-old rule to attack Prince Andrew in House of Commons
Post by: Kuei Fei on May 08, 2011, 04:59:25 am
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Mr Flynn had been due to lead a debate on Andrew’s trade role last week – until the Speaker made him give a binding undertaking not to mention the Duke of York in the Chamber. The debate went ahead in the early hours of Wednesday morning – but without naming Andrew.

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Speaker John Bercow last week barred Paul Flynn from debating the Duke of York’s controversial performance as the UK’s special trade envoy, citing a rule banning MPs from criticising the Royal Family.

Now Mr Flynn is vowing to sidestep the ‘archaic’ convention, which dates from the 13th Century, by garnering backbench support for a Commons motion that would effectively censure Andrew.

It's Andrew's idiocy that caused the princesses to lose their protection and official status in the RF, obviously. It has ot be discussed because it has turned the reputation of the RF into smut (among other things) and it hasn't brought any jobs or anything of value. You don't hear of jobs and opportunities coming in.


Title: Re: MP to defy 800-year-old rule to attack Prince Andrew in House of Commons
Post by: rogue on May 10, 2011, 03:46:46 pm
I don't understand why they need Andrew for ? Don't they have people in the gov already doing that???KF , its interesting that you are saying that no jobs are coming in , wouldn't there be rapports of the tradings that actually have gone through??


Title: Re: MP to defy 800-year-old rule to attack Prince Andrew in House of Commons
Post by: True Brit on May 10, 2011, 04:43:05 pm
Rogue there is some misplaced idea that foreign business people like meeting the Royals. It is a Ruritanian fantasy and nothing more. Further it has also been suggested that PA is actually just feathering the nest for the rest of his family. There are figures on the internet claiming the Quene is worth 14 TRILLION most of it salted away in Swiss banks. I do not know the truth of this but what I do know is that after the Second World War the Windsors were very broke indeed and it was only behind the scenes tax breaks and Govt gifts that allowed them to become one of the richest RFs in the world.
If you Google this last bit you will find the information but you may have to dig a bit.


Title: Re: MP to defy 800-year-old rule to attack Prince Andrew in House of Commons
Post by: Kuei Fei on May 10, 2011, 07:37:26 pm
I don't understand why they need Andrew for ? Don't they have people in the gov already doing that???KF , its interesting that you are saying that no jobs are coming in , wouldn't there be rapports of the tradings that actually have gone through??

Exactly. If there had been a sincere rapport and success, the RF would have released a long, frothy article about how Andrew pulled in so many tens of thousands of jobs and there would be tangible proof. However, there isn't and there is no proof that any of these meetings bear fruit.


Title: Re: Andrew's Scandal
Post by: Nighthawk on June 11, 2011, 06:17:45 am
Prince Andrew set to be questioned over Jeffrey Epstein sex abuse of underage girls
http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/top-stories/2011/06/10/prince-andrew-set-to-be-questioned-over-jeffrey-epstein-sex-abuse-of-underage-girls-115875-23191399/
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Her testimony at a Florida law firm would help strengthen an attempt by lawyers to force the prince to give evidence.

The development will pile pressure on Andrew, 51, to explain what he knew about the activities in Epstein’s multi-million mansion – where the Duke of York was treated to massages.

US financier Epstein, 58, was jailed for 18 months three years ago after admitting soliciting a minor for prostitution. Allegations have been made by up to 40 girls against him and the fresh probe was launched after American Ms Roberts, who now lives in Australia, revealed he forced her to have sex with his friends.

She claims he flew her to London for the first of what she claims were three meetings with Prince Andrew.

Embarrassing 2001 photographs were published of the Duke of York with his arm around the bare midriff of Ms Roberts – then 17 – although there is no suggestion he has done anything wrong.

If asked to answer questions by US lawyers, Prince Andrew could volunteer to co-operate. If he refuses, Ms Roberts’s version of events could be used to make him answer questions on oath.

A US legal source explained: “Her evidence that the Duke of York knows the truth about the sexual abuse of underage girls by Epstein would help compel him to answer questions if he declined to do so.

“It would be for a British court to decide whether the evidence is strong enough. If it is, then the Duke of York could be compelled to give sworn testimony in the UK.”

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A source close to the Duke of York said he had had no involvement with underage girls and “no knowledge” of Epstein’s activities until they were reported in the media.

Right being charged and arrested for sexual abuse which hit the papers ...PA had no knowledge of this guys activities.  Then PA needs to find better people to be doing background checks on assoicates  :rolleyes:


Title: Re: Andrew's Scandal
Post by: Kuei Fei on June 11, 2011, 07:48:22 am
I'm sure hte courtiers DID warn Andrew, but Andrew (like the rest of the RF) simply did not listen.


Title: Prince Andrew knew about billionaire friend's abuse of under-age girls
Post by: Nighthawk on April 05, 2014, 12:30:47 pm
The bombshell court document that claims Prince Andrew knew about billionaire friend's abuse of under-age girls
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2597308/The-bombshell-court-document-claims-Prince-Andrew-knew-billionaire-friends-abuse-age-girls.html#ixzz2y0hxHvUW
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Document details conversation between solicitor and Virginia Roberts, 30
Ms Roberts regarded by prosecutors as 'victim' of financier Jeffrey Epstein
Epstein, 61, was jailed in 2008 for soliciting under-age girls for prostitution
He counted numerous celebrities, politicians and socialites as his friends
He was also on chummy terms with the Duke of York and Sarah Ferguson
Ms Roberts claims that, aged 15, she was introduced to Prince three times
Document questions how much Duke knew about his friend's peccadillos
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Perhaps most controversially, he was also on chummy terms with two senior figures in British royal circles: the Duke of York and his ex-wife Sarah Ferguson.
Epstein was first arrested in 2005, after the stepmother of a 14-year-old girl told Florida police that he’d paid her daughter $200 (£120) for an ‘erotic massage’.
An FBI investigation then led to Epstein being accused of keeping a harem of women — many of them vulnerable teenagers — at his luxury homes in New York and Palm Beach, and on a private island in the Caribbean.
:-X :bat:


Title: Re: Prince Andrew knew about billionaire friend's abuse of under-age girls
Post by: india on April 05, 2014, 02:58:32 pm
This is just disturbing. What's up with the royals associating with pedophiles?


Title: Re: Prince Andrew knew about billionaire friend's abuse of under-age girls
Post by: gingerboy24 on April 05, 2014, 09:27:36 pm
^ Seems a penchant for that type of thing runs in the family going back many many years.


Title: Re: Prince Andrew knew about billionaire friend's abuse of under-age girls
Post by: india on April 05, 2014, 09:53:14 pm
Oh yes it does. And it certainly seems to run in this family. Horrid.


Title: Re: Prince Andrew knew about billionaire friend's abuse of under-age girls
Post by: Aquitaine on April 05, 2014, 10:08:55 pm
But has Andrew actually... you know...? :ick: Something just isn't right about this family.


Title: Re: Prince Andrew knew about billionaire friend's abuse of under-age girls
Post by: india on April 05, 2014, 10:11:46 pm
I don't think Andrew ever has but you never know.


Title: Re: Prince Andrew knew about billionaire friend's abuse of under-age girls
Post by: Dasher on April 05, 2014, 11:00:26 pm
^ Seems a penchant for that type of thing runs in the family going back many many years.

That's for sure!
I recently watched a video of a brave woman asking 'Sham Cam' what her husband intended to do about paedophilia which, as if she didn’t already know is rampant. I believe that the British Royal family and political Establishment are fundamentally involved in this right to the top. Right up to the people like the Dark Prince (Philip).

Remember seedy, evil Saville enjoyed an unbelievable level of access to the Royal Family for the past 40 years and it's since emerged that more than 70 per cent of his victims were under 18 and one was as young as eight. Of, course we are to believe that Charlie boy wasn't in any way involved and in his sixties is still naive. Murdered human remains were found at Sandringham estate, but lets no mention that for now.
Now his half-brother Andy and his friendship with a vile alleged paedophile 'Epstein', is making headlines. No surprise there when you consider the debased world that they inhabit.  :spy:

The comment below is very enlightening. Obvious to me that royals (mafioso) members are exempt from punishment, penalty, and harm. Justice, what a farce, old boy network right enough!

"US Dept of Justice gave Epstein a free pass – ie negotiated a Federal non prosecution agreement, under which he could be no major case in a US Federal Court that would have resulted in a 20 year sentence. Epstein had the best lawyers money could buy in New York, including former lawyers from the Dept of Justice and the White House who were close to Bush. More crucially – the non prosecution agreement covered his associates who worked for him, like Ghislane Maxwell and others who procured young girls for him; and would have included other VIPs who could have been indicted if they had also had sex with under age minors in more than one state or even outside the borders of the US, say in the US Virgin Islands. This allegedly could have included a very famous person whose name appeared in the popular prints in England. One matter of crucial interest was the timing. The deal on the Federal non prosecution agreement was done in the run up of HM The Queen’s visit to the US in May, 2007, for the 400th anniversary of the Jamestown settlement. The other interesting feature was the decision of the special tribunal in New York to place Epstein on the highest rank of sex offenders. His lawyers fought this tooth and nail and the hearings lasted many many weeks. The records/transcripts of these hearings in the state Appellate Division should be available for public inspection. The court heard there was “clear and convincing evidence” against him. To be a Level 3 offender, the evidence had to have been pretty strong. We have not seen that evidence. Someone should go find it".


Title: Re: Prince Andrew knew about billionaire friend's abuse of under-age girls
Post by: cate1949 on April 06, 2014, 12:32:57 am
in every way I believe it is in the best interests of the US to ally itself with the UK.  And like may Americans I place a high value on this friendship.  But - the price of this alliance seems to be that we have to cover up for every slimy dumb thing that members of the RF do.  When those cover ups include something as vile as this guy Epstein - it sickens me.
How about instead of covering up for these fools - these fools clean up their act?  It has been said before that they have no incentive to clean up because there are never any consequences.  This is true -Brits -  please apply some consequences to these creepy people who associate with pedophiles!!!

Now at least Epstein is on the sex offenders list so people know what he is.  But he served no jail time and his slimy associates served no jail time.  And it appears he got away with this because of the RF and specifically because it would have involved slimy Andrew.  Geez- at least HM could police her own slimy family members.

Then consider that Andy is still on the loose traipsing around on private holidays in Asia doing heaven only knows what.  That he  is still influencing another generation of Royals - namely Harry.  What is wrong with these people?  Have they no decency?  No common sense?  At best both Charles and Andrew have demonstrated terrible judgment when it comes to people by associating with Epstein and Saville.  And it could be worse than simply bad judgment.  And with regards to both Saville and Epstein it appears that their relationships with royals - PC and Andrew - allowed them to get away with their vile activities.  This is simply unacceptable.  How can Andrew even show his face in the UK given this?  Why is their no investigation into the role PC may have played protecting Saville from prosecution? 


And then we watch these two march down the aisle at Westminster as if they were upright Christians.  Geez - the hypocrisy.


Title: Re: Prince Andrew knew about billionaire friend's abuse of under-age girls
Post by: Kuei Fei on April 06, 2014, 04:27:43 am
There is no way he can be defended or ever be part of any charitable activity involving children. How on earth can any reputable charity possibly allow him to represent them and once parents of any children involved in these charities end up finding out about this, there will be an outcry.

The Yorks are nothing but leeching seedy spoiled monsters and as far as I'm concerned, I hope Charles does cut them off once he becomes King.

The bombshell court document that claims Prince Andrew knew about billionaire friend's abuse of under-age girls
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2597308/The-bombshell-court-document-claims-Prince-Andrew-knew-billionaire-friends-abuse-age-girls.html#ixzz2y0hxHvUW
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Document details conversation between solicitor and Virginia Roberts, 30
Ms Roberts regarded by prosecutors as 'victim' of financier Jeffrey Epstein
Epstein, 61, was jailed in 2008 for soliciting under-age girls for prostitution
He counted numerous celebrities, politicians and socialites as his friends
He was also on chummy terms with the Duke of York and Sarah Ferguson
Ms Roberts claims that, aged 15, she was introduced to Prince three times
Document questions how much Duke knew about his friend's peccadillos
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Perhaps most controversially, he was also on chummy terms with two senior figures in British royal circles: the Duke of York and his ex-wife Sarah Ferguson.
Epstein was first arrested in 2005, after the stepmother of a 14-year-old girl told Florida police that he’d paid her daughter $200 (£120) for an ‘erotic massage’.
An FBI investigation then led to Epstein being accused of keeping a harem of women — many of them vulnerable teenagers — at his luxury homes in New York and Palm Beach, and on a private island in the Caribbean.
:-X :bat:

I think this might end up with Andrew being stripped of his title whether HM likes it or not; once the mainstream press covers this regularly, I am certain that the public will demand Andrew's removal from residing in the palaces, if he isn't outright completely banished from Britain as a result of this.


Title: Re: Prince Andrew knew about billionaire friend's abuse of under-age girls
Post by: cate1949 on April 06, 2014, 04:46:40 am
KF I wish you were right but this has been going on for years and Andy still does his thing.  When the scandal broke several years ago he should have been forced into a retired out of the public life along with Sarah - never saw a freebie I did not accept - ex-wife.  But she has a reality TV show and is hawking tea bags and he is sponsoring a new charity that yes - involves teens.

I put this on HM too - she did not know that a vile person like Epstein got off because it would be embarrassment to her while she toured the US?  She did not force Andy into retirement out of public life after he was involved in this?  Supposedly he swore to her he never did anything with the young girls - and maybe he didn't - but he was there during the parties - he knew what was going on - he was photographed with his arms around one of the teen girls - that made him an accessory. 

We get distracted from the important stuff by discussions about Kate's jewels and Cressie's newest pr campaign - this is the sort of stuff we should pay attention to - this is who the RF really are.


Title: Re: Prince Andrew knew about billionaire friend's abuse of under-age girls
Post by: Kuei Fei on April 06, 2014, 05:12:37 am
I think the US and UK will do well, but we need to sideline the RF and do more social stuff with the elected officials.

I believe that if given the right push, that yes, the RF will end up suffering because of this; it's on the DM now and the fact that the DM is covering this is telling me that the press is no longer going to 'work with' the RF on anything. It will cost the RF dear in the US if this hits the mainstream, I know that much.


Title: Re: Prince Andrew knew about billionaire friend's abuse of under-age girls
Post by: Aquitaine on April 06, 2014, 02:08:00 pm
I'm not sure about that Kuei Fei; this story seems to have only been reported in the Daily Mail - when Andrew uploaded his selfie on Twitter, that was reported in other outlets such as the Telegraph (a pro-Establishment/monarchist paper). I'm sure you've already noticed the convenient timing - this story has been released on the eve of W/K's Antipodean tour, and the latest chapter in Harry/Cressida appeared on their site a few hours later, receiving top-billing - classic snowjob techniques which leads me to believe that the media is still at the RF's beck and call. But they're not suppressing the story altogether like they would have done in the past, which I suppose is progress.


Title: Re: Prince Andrew knew about billionaire friend's abuse of under-age girls
Post by: YooperModerator on April 06, 2014, 02:15:40 pm
http://vimeo.com/89249712 (http://vimeo.com/89249712)

Quote
March 2011. FBI to reopen investigation into disgraced banker Jeffrey Epstein following Mail on Sunday revelations about sexual exploitation of teenage girls + links with high-profile individuals, incl Prince Andrew.

This is from 3 years ago and I can't find one word about it anywhere now in any other major news outlet.  I could be missing something but there seems to be a major smack down with this and the media when it comes to PA.  That's just not cool.


Title: Re: Prince Andrew knew about billionaire friend's abuse of under-age girls
Post by: Aquitaine on April 06, 2014, 03:36:14 pm
^ Our best hope is that an outlet like the Guardian picks this story up and runs with it like they're doing Charles's suppressed letters to to govt ministers. I'm surprised the US media isn't reporting on this as it concerns a US citizen and the RF has no influence over foreign press. (They'd probably run it if they could somehow link it back to Kim Kardashian though.)


Title: Re: Prince Andrew knew about billionaire friend's abuse of under-age girls
Post by: YooperModerator on April 06, 2014, 03:52:50 pm
^I agree.  This really confuses me that the US media hasn't run with this.  I'll keep an eye out.  Perhaps they're waiting for Virginia Roberts' statements in court and the eventual civil suit?


Title: Re: Prince Andrew knew about billionaire friend's abuse of under-age girls
Post by: Dasher on April 06, 2014, 04:42:24 pm
in every way I believe it is in the best interests of the US to ally itself with the UK.  And like may Americans I place a high value on this friendship.  But - the price of this alliance seems to be that we have to cover up for every slimy dumb thing that members of the RF do.  When those cover ups include something as vile as this guy Epstein - it sickens me.
How about instead of covering up for these fools - these fools clean up their act?  It has been said before that they have no incentive to clean up because there are never any consequences.  This is true -Brits -  please apply some consequences to these creepy people who associate with pedophiles!!!

Now at least Epstein is on the sex offenders list so people know what he is.  But he served no jail time and his slimy associates served no jail time.  And it appears he got away with this because of the RF and specifically because it would have involved slimy Andrew.  Geez- at least HM could police her own slimy family members.

Then consider that Andy is still on the loose traipsing around on private holidays in Asia doing heaven only knows what.  That he  is still influencing another generation of Royals - namely Harry.  What is wrong with these people?  Have they no decency?  No common sense?  At best both Charles and Andrew have demonstrated terrible judgment when it comes to people by associating with Epstein and Saville.  And it could be worse than simply bad judgment.  And with regards to both Saville and Epstein it appears that their relationships with royals - PC and Andrew - allowed them to get away with their vile activities.  This is simply unacceptable.  How can Andrew even show his face in the UK given this?  Why is their no investigation into the role PC may have played protecting Saville from prosecution? 


And then we watch these two march down the aisle at Westminster as if they were upright Christians.  Geez - the hypocrisy.

 :goodpost:


Title: Re: Prince Andrew knew about billionaire friend's abuse of under-age girls
Post by: Dasher on April 06, 2014, 05:19:26 pm
Revelations and allegations point to the royals being up to their eyeballs in this.
During a visit by the Queen and Prince Philip to Canada they selected children to go on a picnic with them and they were never seen again! This strory has been around a long time. I can supply a link to this story for anyone interested.
Just been reading about the horrendous accounts of kidnapping, murder and torture of children. I am not going to supply the link because of it's horrific nature, but I'm really feeling very angry right now.
The elite have connections to every corner of the world, including the Middle East, children are being killed and tortured in snuff movies to satisfy a religious doctrine of satanic proportions.

My goodness, seedy, slippery customer, Andrew is bad enough, I’m having trouble getting my mind around the frightful news, apparently Queenie has been named in an International alleged paedophile Ring.   :o  :o


Title: Re: Prince Andrew knew about billionaire friend's abuse of under-age girls
Post by: gingerboy24 on April 06, 2014, 05:32:45 pm
Good post Dasher, I have read a lot about the situation, am not providing links as all very nasty stuff. Seems queenie either turns a blind eye, or possible involved, how do we know.  PP has another meaning to his initials which is bandied about, I leave it to your imagination.  The joke of it this family think they are above everyone else, when in fact they are way down in the sewers.


Title: Re: Prince Andrew knew about billionaire friend's abuse of under-age girls
Post by: india on April 06, 2014, 05:47:33 pm
What is it GB? alleged pedo Phil? This is all so beyond belief.


Title: Re: Prince Andrew knew about billionaire friend's abuse of under-age girls
Post by: cate1949 on April 06, 2014, 08:22:27 pm
Revelations and allegations point to the royals being up to their eyeballs in this.
During a visit by the Queen and Prince Philip to Canada they selected children to go on a picnic with them and they were never seen again! This strory has been around a long time. I can supply a link to this story for anyone interested.
Just been reading about the horrendous accounts of kidnapping, murder and torture of children. I am not going to supply the link because of it's horrific nature, but I'm really feeling very angry right now.
The elite have connections to every corner of the world, including the Middle East, children are being killed and tortured in snuff movies to satisfy a religious doctrine of satanic proportions.

My goodness, seedy, slippery customer, Andrew is bad enough, I’m having trouble getting my mind around the frightful news, apparently Queenie has been named in an International alleged paedophile Ring.   :o  :o





story is an urban myth and has been disproved over and over again - really -


Title: Re: Prince Andrew knew about billionaire friend's abuse of under-age girls
Post by: gingerboy24 on April 06, 2014, 10:03:34 pm
Not an urban myth, it is just that they hush it up.  There is a lot of truth in what is written.  You only have to google it, all info is there.


Title: Re: Andrew's Scandal
Post by: Dasher on April 07, 2014, 12:57:38 am
Many people have paid the ultimate price to get this truth out.
Massive Deaths of Aboriginal Children in Canada is officially admitted, as Genocide Verdict and Kevin Annett’s work are finally vindicated.

“Prime Minister Stephen Harper, Queen Elizabeth, Joseph Ratzinger and twenty seven other officials belong behind bars. And more than that, it’s now time to establish a constitutional Republic in Canada that is free and independent of the British Crown and the legacies of Vatican-sponsored Genocide”.

http://galacticconnection.com/massive-deaths-aboriginal-children-canada-officially-admitted-genocide-verdict-kevin-annetts-work-finally-vindicated/ (http://galacticconnection.com/massive-deaths-aboriginal-children-canada-officially-admitted-genocide-verdict-kevin-annetts-work-finally-vindicated/)


Title: Re: Prince Andrew knew about billionaire friend's abuse of under-age girls
Post by: PaulaB on April 11, 2014, 12:35:40 pm
Revelations and allegations point to the royals being up to their eyeballs in this.
During a visit by the Queen and Prince Philip to Canada they selected children to go on a picnic with them and they were never seen again! This strory has been around a long time. I can supply a link to this story for anyone interested.
Just been reading about the horrendous accounts of kidnapping, murder and torture of children. I am not going to supply the link because of it's horrific nature, but I'm really feeling very angry right now.
The elite have connections to every corner of the world, including the Middle East, children are being killed and tortured in snuff movies to satisfy a religious doctrine of satanic proportions.

My goodness, seedy, slippery customer, Andrew is bad enough, I’m having trouble getting my mind around the frightful news, apparently Queenie has been named in an International alleged paedophile Ring.   :o  :o

There is more evidence that the person behind this is a con artist
http://thetyee.ca/Views/2008/04/30/TruthAndAbuse/


Title: Re: Prince Andrew knew about billionaire friend's abuse of under-age girls
Post by: Royal Lowness on April 11, 2014, 05:10:49 pm
There is more evidence that the person behind this is a con artist ...

I didn't see any "evidence" presented in the link you gave, just denial.  ???


Title: Re: Andrew's Scandal
Post by: gingerboy24 on April 11, 2014, 05:39:13 pm
^Yes, agree, just denial.


Title: Re: Prince Andrew knew about billionaire friend's abuse of under-age girls
Post by: Dasher on April 11, 2014, 09:45:14 pm
There is more evidence that the person behind this is a con artist
http://thetyee.ca/Views/2008/04/30/TruthAndAbuse/

Kevin Annett Rips the Mask from Power is a very compelling read.

"The same applies to the corporate media. Kevin did get a couple of good stories but they dried up with mention of the Supreme Court  judges using Indian children for pedophilia. Similarly, when Kevin was beaten up or his documents stolen, the police and courts refused to act despite video footage of the theft. Why would they? They regarded the murder of thousands of Aboriginal children as "too big a task to investigate."
 http://www.henrymakow.com/kevin_annett_rips_the_mask_fro.html  (http://www.henrymakow.com/kevin_annett_rips_the_mask_fro.html)


Title: Re: Andrew's Scandal
Post by: PaulaB on May 09, 2014, 05:24:12 am
http://www.genuinewitty.com/kevin-annett/
He is a con artist nothing more fancy "putting an arrest warrant on the pope in your bathroom!!!!!!


Title: Prince Andrew allegedly a alleged pedophile
Post by: Stephanie on January 02, 2015, 02:27:05 pm
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/theroyalfamily/11321815/Prince-Andrew-named-in-underage-sex-slave-case.html :o


Title: Re: Prince Andrew allegedly a alleged pedophile
Post by: Emperor on January 02, 2015, 02:33:56 pm
Prince Andrew is named in 'underage sex slave' lawsuit filed in U.S. court

Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2894480/Prince-Andrew-repeatedly-slept-sex-slave-controlled-underage-prostitution-ring-U-S-court-papers-claim.html#ixzz3NftMHmeM
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A woman has claimed she was forced to have sexual relations with Prince Andrew when she was a 'sex slave' for a U.S. multi-millionaire.

A case has been lodged in court in Florida this week connected to allegations against Jeffrey Epstein, who has been convicted of soliciting sex with an underage girl.

Court documents reported by the Guardian state: 'One such powerful individual Epstein forced [the woman] to have sexual relations with was a member of the British royal family, Prince Andrew (aka Duke of York).'

Prince Andrew has previously denied any sexual contact with young women associated with Epstein.

A spokesman for the royal said: 'This relates to long-standing and ongoing civil proceedings in the United States, to which The Duke of York is not a party.

'As such we would not comment on the detail. However, for the avoidance of doubt, any suggestion of impropriety with underage minors is categorically untrue'

Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2894480/Prince-Andrew-repeatedly-slept-sex-slave-controlled-underage-prostitution-ring-U-S-court-papers-claim.html#ixzz3NftTVxH6
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Title: Re: Prince Andrew allegedly a alleged pedophile
Post by: Kuei Fei on January 02, 2015, 02:40:17 pm
I highly doubt Andrew was abstinent.

As for the spokesperson, I'm certain palace lawyers are scrambling and upset at this latest mess. If Andrew is named, officially, as it looks, then this means that a member of the BRF is in fact publicly accused as an accessory. So now the RF is on the edge of being dragged into something THEY DO NOT NEED and I bet you anything that palace courtiers are scrambling to prevent Andrew from being dragged into this, in the United States. Would be horrific for relations.


Title: Re: Prince Andrew allegedly a alleged pedophile
Post by: Emperor on January 02, 2015, 02:55:27 pm
I read this article a while back ->

The Trouble with Andrews
http://www.vanityfair.com/society/features/2011/08/prince-andrew-201108

There was this interesting statement in it ->
Quote
With the prospect of even further humiliation to her and her son, the Queen decided to intervene by employing the most potent instrument at her command: royal symbolism. She summoned Andrew to Windsor Castle and in a private ceremony invested him with the insignia of a Knight Grand Cross of the Royal Victorian Order, the highest possible honor for “personal service” to the Queen. From now on, Prince Andrew will be entitled to use the letters G.C.V.O. after his name and wear a red-white-and-blue sash complete with the order’s star-shaped insignia, made from sterling silver, silver gilt, and enamel.

Under the protection of the Queen, Prince Andrew was untouchable.

I fell sorry for his 2 girls mostly


Title: Re: Prince Andrew allegedly a alleged pedophile
Post by: gingerboy24 on January 02, 2015, 02:57:28 pm
^ Untouchable world wide of just in the UK?


Title: Re: Prince Andrew allegedly a alleged pedophile
Post by: Emperor on January 02, 2015, 03:10:29 pm
^ That's what I want to know. Maybe its something like Diplomatic Immunity


Title: Re: Prince Andrew allegedly a alleged pedophile
Post by: Countess of Holland on January 02, 2015, 03:27:20 pm
This is absolutely ridiculous. Being a GCVO doesn't give you any form of imunity. It may be the royal form of 'a parent supporting a child' like many parents who keep telling the police that their son/ daughter is a great kid.
But it holds no sway in any legal or criminal investigation.


Title: Re: Prince Andrew allegedly a alleged pedophile
Post by: Kuei Fei on January 02, 2015, 03:32:37 pm
HM is stupid, that is why she's protecting her son. She refuses to admit she was wrong about Andrew (as she refuses to admit she's wrong about anything) and she certainly has the mistaken belief that the royals should be protected from the consequences of their actions. "Protecting the monarchy" and all.

^ Untouchable world wide of just in the UK?

^ That's what I want to know. Maybe its something like Diplomatic Immunity


I do think that Andrew isn't untouchable, but the British government will do what they can to prevent this from leaking out, which to me is a mistake. Andrew must not be protected, if they try to save him as this spreads, it'll only weaken the monarchy by leaving the dynasty as a target.


Title: Re: Prince Andrew allegedly a alleged pedophile
Post by: Stephanie on January 02, 2015, 04:08:10 pm
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2894480/Prince-Andrew-repeatedly-slept-sex-slave-controlled-underage-prostitution-ring-U-S-court-papers-claim.html


Title: Re: Prince Andrew allegedly a alleged pedophile
Post by: Pense on January 02, 2015, 05:52:04 pm
This topic is basically a continuation of the "Andrew's Scandal" topic?
It's about his friendship with the same man.
 :dontknow:


Title: Re: Prince Andrew allegedly a alleged pedophile
Post by: gingerboy24 on January 02, 2015, 06:53:42 pm
I note that if the DM printed any comments they are now removed and saying "DM is currently not accepting comments on this article".  Can imagine what some of the comments were like !!


Title: Re: Prince Andrew allegedly a alleged pedophile
Post by: Val on January 02, 2015, 07:54:14 pm
Those rumours have been circulating for many years including allegedly being found in bed with an equerry by Fergie.  It being said the reason he has kept her close.  According to many there is much more yet to be revealed about the Establishment and RF with 2015 being a really eye opening year.


Title: Re: Prince Andrew allegedly a alleged pedophile
Post by: Fly on the wall on January 02, 2015, 08:20:42 pm
 Tim Ewart @EwartRoyale  · 
Palace officials say allegation in US court papers against Prince Andrew over under age sex is "categorically untrue."


Palace Responds To Sex Lawsuit Naming Prince Andrew
Buckingham Palace has responded to claims that Prince Andrew repeatedly had sex with an underage sex slave over a three-year period. "Suggestion of impropriety with minors untrue," the statement from Buckingham Palace said.

The claims surfaced in a lawsuit filed in U.S. court that alleges Prince Andrew, the second son of Queen Elizabeth II and Prince Philip, Duke of Edinburgh, had repeated sexual relations with an underage sex slave who was trafficked to a number of wealthy men by American financier Jeffrey Epstein. The woman alleges she was flown to London, New York and the Caribbean by Epstein, and forced to have sex with the Duke of York, the Guardian reported.
http://www.msn.com/en-us/news/crime/palace-responds-to-sex-lawsuit-naming-prince-andrew/ar-BBhrOZe?ocid=U219DHP


WELL of course they will say its' untrue they wont go "yeah he did it"


Title: Re: Prince Andrew allegedly a alleged pedophile
Post by: Kuei Fei on January 02, 2015, 08:32:51 pm
The courtiers must be in hysterics.

Of all the scandals, this is one that won't go away, it's now officially naming him in a lawsuit, involving the sexual molestation of little girls, which means that it's now on permanent record. He's now likely going to get sued, or an order for him to appear in court to testify, which opens another can of worms.

If he lies, he commits perjury, making more of a mess. If he tells the truth, he might expose his own interest in criminal perversion.

If he refuses to show up, a warrant will be issued for his arrest and certainly, he'll be like Roman Polanski, a wanted man, something that will damage relations.

His partying with that pervert will be exposed and of course, the US media will drool all over it, the tabloids coming out in full force.

Oh man, what a mess these Windsors make.

Even if there was nothing HE was doing, he knows something and should testify no matter how badly he's deservedly burned.

I bet government officials will quietly ask HM to request that Andrew step down out of the succession and give up his title.


Title: Re: Prince Andrew allegedly a alleged pedophile
Post by: Countess of Holland on January 02, 2015, 08:33:52 pm
The Windsors have a bad taste when it comes to people they socialise with; from Jimmy Saville to Eppstein.
And it flows over in the next generation with total creeps like Guy Pelly.


Title: Re: Prince Andrew allegedly a alleged pedophile
Post by: Kuei Fei on January 02, 2015, 08:53:42 pm
Yeah, well, that's when you believe that a fat bank account and willingness to be leeched off of is something that is a sign of being a good person.


Title: Re: Prince Andrew allegedly a alleged pedophile
Post by: cate1949 on January 02, 2015, 11:03:02 pm
In 2006 when this first came up - and it is a long story - the belief was Epstein got off light because the Queen was about to make a visit to Jamestown commemorating the first English colony in the now US.  The story was in all the papers and TV so it would have embarrassed the Queen during her visit so the plea bargain was arranged. 

Or so it was claimed in the papers.

Do recall that Epstein made a 1 million dollar gift to Andy to pay off Fergie's debts.

This is why I have no use for either Andy or Fergie.  At the very least Andrew attended the parties - was pictured with young girls draped on his arm at the parties - and he was aware of what Epstein was into and did not seek to stop it.  I think at least ethically if not legally this makes him an accomplice.   Yet he accepted serious money from him and continued his friendship with him even after the plea bargain.   The man is a disgrace and should have been forced to retire from public life - that he did not have sex with any of the girls at least he claims - does not remove his culpability in what was a very ugly affair.





Title: Re: Prince Andrew allegedly a alleged pedophile
Post by: Kuei Fei on January 02, 2015, 11:32:18 pm
He knew what was going on though, no way did he NOT know what was going on. He socialized with the man who was known to be mixed up with that vile actions. His daughters need to stop leeching off of the monarchy as well. They have no business making Charles' job harder, who has enough problems with his sons.


Title: Re: Prince Andrew allegedly a alleged pedophile
Post by: Fly on the wall on January 02, 2015, 11:35:37 pm
The BRF will work some serious mojo and this will disappear from the media


Title: Re: Prince Andrew allegedly a alleged pedophile
Post by: windsor2 on January 03, 2015, 12:00:25 am
I'm not sure they can this time. I think that if Epstein's facing a long jail sentence or interference with his lavish lifestyle, then I beleive he'll throw Andrew and others under the bus. According to the VF story, he has info on those who the girls mess with to blackmail them. Umm, he must have something on Andrew and would use it to be left alone from the authorities, so I guess the royals will use their mojo to get Andrew out of this.


Title: Re: Prince Andrew allegedly a alleged pedophile
Post by: cate1949 on January 03, 2015, 12:04:49 am
there were all sorts of fat cats involved in this - the girls claim prime ministers and politicians etc - so it wasn't just Andrew and clearly there were lots of reasons to let Epstein off easy along with  saving the Queen from embarassment.

But it seems to me what the RF does not get is that even if Andrew did not have sex with any of these girls - he participated in the parties and knew what was going on.  He was close friends with a man who engaged in procurement of underage girls for a sex trafficking ring.  That in itself is damning.
He accepted large sums of money from this man to get his ex wife out of her constant state of debt which goes to show yet again what a liability Fergie is.  Yet both of them enjoy the Queen's favor.

How Andrew escaped public censure over this the first time round is beyond me - how anyone could excuse even his attendance at the parties is beyond me.  So it seems to me that he will once again escape any censure over this newest revelation.  But it is like water on a rock - these sorts of things wear away at the reputation not just of Andrew but the whole family and the monarchy.  The RF needs to get it together and stop being so tone deaf to the impression this kind of ugly stuff creates.  Clean it up.    

It is the fed prosecutors who are the object of this suit - so Andy is unlikely to be called to testify or be charged.  But one wonders who else was involved in all this.


Title: Re: Prince Andrew allegedly a alleged pedophile
Post by: Kuei Fei on January 03, 2015, 12:49:16 am
The BRF has to be the one single family that has one member after another embroiled in a mess.

The BRF will work some serious mojo and this will disappear from the media

I don't think so; these days, the BRF doesn't intimidate anyone and any kind of cover-up leaves them vulnerable.

Look at how the BRF couldn't stop the spread of those photos of Kate buck-naked on the balcony in France; all over the DM, all over the world tabloids, all over the internet. This is going to be on public record no matter what the BRF tries to cover up and lately, victims are no longer just rolling over and being silent.

The man is named in a lawsuit and chances are the court will send a request that will turn into an order for him to appear. If he refuses, he'll get slapped with a warrant.


Title: Re: Prince Andrew allegedly a alleged pedophile
Post by: Rosella on January 03, 2015, 12:51:58 am
The courtiers must be in hysterics.

Of all the scandals, this is one that won't go away, it's now officially naming him in a lawsuit, involving the sexual molestation of little girls, which means that it's now on permanent record. He's now likely going to get sued, or an order for him to appear in court to testify, which opens another can of worms.

If he lies, he commits perjury, making more of a mess. If he tells the truth, he might expose his own interest in criminal perversion.

If he refuses to show up, a warrant will be issued for his arrest and certainly, he'll be like Roman Polanski, a wanted man, something that will damage relations.

His partying with that pervert will be exposed and of course, the US media will drool all over it, the tabloids coming out in full force.

Oh man, what a mess these Windsors make.

Even if there was nothing HE was doing, he knows something and should testify no matter how badly he's deservedly burned.

I bet government officials will quietly ask HM to request that Andrew step down out of the succession and give up his title.

Andrew will never be arrested or have an arrest warrant issued. The U.S. State Department and the President won't do something which would cause embarrassment to the British Head of State. Let's not forget too, that it is rumoured that members of the U.S. political elite also attended these parties held by Epstein so it's not just Andrew that has a lot to hide.

In my opinion the scandal arising out of the court case will be smothered as much as possible. Nevertheless I believe that (if heis guilty) Andrew should take this opportunity to step out of public life as a senior royal. If this means Fergie has to stand on her own two feet financially in the future then so be it. Andrew should be gone. He can't lose his title or place in the succession however.


Title: Re: Prince Andrew allegedly a alleged pedophile
Post by: cate1949 on January 03, 2015, 03:46:20 am
agree Rosella - Andrew needs to pursue a quiet life out of the pubic eye - he should under no circumstances represent the Queen at events. Not everyone is so blasé about this kind of scandal.

But I doubt he'll do that - the Queen won't confront it and his ego won't allow him to do it. 



Title: Re: Prince Andrew allegedly a alleged pedophile
Post by: Kuei Fei on January 03, 2015, 03:51:24 am
The courtiers must be in hysterics.

Of all the scandals, this is one that won't go away, it's now officially naming him in a lawsuit, involving the sexual molestation of little girls, which means that it's now on permanent record. He's now likely going to get sued, or an order for him to appear in court to testify, which opens another can of worms.

If he lies, he commits perjury, making more of a mess. If he tells the truth, he might expose his own interest in criminal perversion.

If he refuses to show up, a warrant will be issued for his arrest and certainly, he'll be like Roman Polanski, a wanted man, something that will damage relations.

His partying with that pervert will be exposed and of course, the US media will drool all over it, the tabloids coming out in full force.

Oh man, what a mess these Windsors make.

Even if there was nothing HE was doing, he knows something and should testify no matter how badly he's deservedly burned.

I bet government officials will quietly ask HM to request that Andrew step down out of the succession and give up his title.

Andrew will never be arrested or have an arrest warrant issued. The U.S. State Department and the President won't do something which would cause embarrassment to the British Head of State. Let's not forget too, that it is rumoured that members of the U.S. political elite also attended these parties held by Epstein so it's not just Andrew that has a lot to hide.

In my opinion the scandal arising out of the court case will be smothered as much as possible. Nevertheless I believe that (if heis guilty) Andrew should take this opportunity to step out of public life as a senior royal. If this means Fergie has to stand on her own two feet financially in the future then so be it. Andrew should be gone. He can't lose his title or place in the succession however.

I don't know; these days scandals can't be smothered and all someone has to do is go on an interview and talk. Lately the BRF is on the defensive more than they are on the offensive.


Title: Re: Prince Andrew allegedly a alleged pedophile
Post by: Stephanie on January 03, 2015, 11:46:18 am
There's no way this can be stopped IMO.
They can try to drag it along for years and years but it will not go away.
Not even a prince can get away with pedophilia or other crimes so there will be an investigation.
Remember the Spanish princes who faces trial for fraud after years and years of stalling.


Title: Re: Prince Andrew allegedly a alleged pedophile
Post by: Miss Hathaway on January 03, 2015, 12:25:59 pm
The courtiers must be in hysterics.

Of all the scandals, this is one that won't go away, it's now officially naming him in a lawsuit, involving the sexual molestation of little girls, which means that it's now on permanent record. He's now likely going to get sued, or an order for him to appear in court to testify, which opens another can of worms.

If he lies, he commits perjury, making more of a mess. If he tells the truth, he might expose his own interest in criminal perversion.

If he refuses to show up, a warrant will be issued for his arrest and certainly, he'll be like Roman Polanski, a wanted man, something that will damage relations.

His partying with that pervert will be exposed and of course, the US media will drool all over it, the tabloids coming out in full force.

Oh man, what a mess these Windsors make.

Even if there was nothing HE was doing, he knows something and should testify no matter how badly he's deservedly burned.

I bet government officials will quietly ask HM to request that Andrew step down out of the succession and give up his title.

Andrew will never be arrested or have an arrest warrant issued. The U.S. State Department and the President won't do something which would cause embarrassment to the British Head of State. Let's not forget too, that it is rumoured that members of the U.S. political elite also attended these parties held by Epstein so it's not just Andrew that has a lot to hide.

In my opinion the scandal arising out of the court case will be smothered as much as possible. Nevertheless I believe that (if heis guilty) Andrew should take this opportunity to step out of public life as a senior royal. If this means Fergie has to stand on her own two feet financially in the future then so be it. Andrew should be gone. He can't lose his title or place in the succession however.

I agree . . . Bill Clinton has been named in this mess as well.   The Clintons are notorious for making all their scandals simply "go away".   Hillary was in charge of making the "bimbos" from Bill's life go away, so I expect she'll get to work on this one because she's running for president.


Title: Re: Prince Andrew allegedly a alleged pedophile
Post by: Ariel on January 03, 2015, 01:14:15 pm
i'm sorry but even if they try to make it go away - Andrew is a s**bag and deserves to rot in hell. but prison first. an american prison.  where he can be in the company of people like him. pedophiles. not only were these girls under age but they were slaved. and he knew that. and this is not the first report about him doing such despicable things. he deserves to be brought in court and sentenced. same with Bill Clinton - its about time  we get rid of this low life. they should't allow such people in senate. Hillary will never get my vote. a woman should have self respect and dignity and ditch such s**mbag of a husband. instead - she's covering for him. yuk

Andrew should be registered as a sex offender and treated as the criminal he is.


Title: Re: Prince Andrew allegedly a alleged pedophile
Post by: Rosella on January 03, 2015, 01:28:12 pm
i'm sorry but even if they try to make it go away - Andrew is a s**bag and deserves to rot in hell. but prison first. an american prison.  where he can be in the company of people like him. pedophiles. not only were these girls under age but they were slaved. and he knew that. and this is not the first report about him doing such despicable things. he deserves to be brought in court and sentenced. same with Bill Clinton - its about time  we get rid of this low life. they should't allow such people in senate. Hillary will never get my vote. a woman should have self respect and dignity and ditch such s**mbag of a husband. instead - she's covering for him. yuk

Andrew should be registered as a sex offender and treated as the criminal he is.

Andrew isn't on trial, this is a civil case, not a criminal one and he hasnt been put on trial or found guilty. He shouldn't remain a senior royal, in my opinion, because of the rancid company he keeps, but it is innocent before being proven guilty in all courts in Britain, the US and Commonwealth countries, isnt it?.


Title: Re: Prince Andrew allegedly a alleged pedophile
Post by: Stephanie on January 03, 2015, 02:11:43 pm
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2895366/Prince-Andrew-lobbied-government-easy-Jeffrey-Epstein-Palace-denies-claims-royal-tried-use-influence-help-billionaire-alleged paedophile-2008-police-probe.html
Pressuring the US government to get Epstein out as soon as possible so he allegedly  could get more"massages" from girls as young as 12.


Title: Re: Prince Andrew allegedly a alleged pedophile
Post by: Kuei Fei on January 03, 2015, 04:11:55 pm
I see the DM is afraid of publishing the comments here.


Title: Re: Prince Andrew allegedly a alleged pedophile
Post by: Stephanie on January 03, 2015, 04:26:11 pm
I can see why.



Title: Re: Prince Andrew allegedly a alleged pedophile
Post by: Ariel on January 03, 2015, 04:34:58 pm
Andrew isn't on trial, this is a civil case, not a criminal one and he hasnt been put on trial or found guilty. He shouldn't remain a senior royal, in my opinion, because of the rancid company he keeps, but it is innocent before being proven guilty in all courts in Britain, the US and Commonwealth countries, isnt it?.

when there is smoke there is fire.


Title: Re: Prince Andrew allegedly a alleged pedophile
Post by: Val on January 03, 2015, 04:49:32 pm
I see the DM is afraid of publishing the comments here.

Usual MO and the story takes the heat off the Medds et al allegedly sneaking off to another sunshine holiday the day after Boxing Day.


Title: Re: Guess the Next Scandal! II
Post by: HRH Tiana of NOLA on January 03, 2015, 05:05:25 pm
^ It's only a matter of time.

I'm beginning to wonder what their going to pull out of their arses to distract from this scandal with Andrew. Maybe a scare and a few days in the hospital for Waity? This would also justify a vacation and work stoppage for the dastardly duo.


Title: Re: Prince Andrew allegedly a alleged pedophile
Post by: HRH Tiana of NOLA on January 03, 2015, 06:00:05 pm
If this is a civil case, it puts a whole new spin on it. Don't be surprised if stuff starts leaking via outlets like the Drudge Report. TPTB in the US will throw Andrew under the bus before they let a power player like the Clinton's get touched. Trust me on this.


Title: Re: Guess the Next Scandal! II
Post by: Kuei Fei on January 03, 2015, 06:07:35 pm
It's not like Kate works anymore so really, no point in that.

I think this is the new scandal, Andrew being connected to pedophiles, being at parties with pedophiles, socializing with a woman who procures for pedophiles, things like that.

Only one conclusion can be drawn and I think Andrew will be crucified.


Title: Re: Prince Andrew allegedly a alleged pedophile
Post by: Kuei Fei on January 03, 2015, 06:11:56 pm
Andrew isn't on trial, this is a civil case, not a criminal one and he hasnt been put on trial or found guilty. He shouldn't remain a senior royal, in my opinion, because of the rancid company he keeps, but it is innocent before being proven guilty in all courts in Britain, the US and Commonwealth countries, isnt it?.
when there is smoke there is fire.

Here is what Andrew has done:

Partied with a alleged pedophile with underage girls present
Socialized with a known alleged pedophile
Accepted money from a known alleged pedophile (for his mooch ex wife's debts)
Socialized with a woman who procured young girls for a known alleged pedophile
Partied at an island owned by a known alleged pedophile that is a private island

There is only ONE conclusion that can be drawn and it's only a matter of time until it becomes public.


Title: Re: Prince Andrew allegedly a alleged pedophile
Post by: Stephanie on January 03, 2015, 06:44:13 pm
The following day, Andrew arrived and Miss Maxwell served tea and biscuits to the four of them.
It is alleged Miss Maxwell invited the prince to guess Virginia’s age and he correctly said ‘17’, at which Miss Maxwell joked that Jeffrey would ‘soon have to trade her in’.
After dinner and a trip to Tramp nightclub, where she danced with the prince, they returned to Miss Maxwell’s house. They all went upstairs and Virginia asked Epstein to take a picture of her with Andrew to ‘show my mom’. She adds: ‘Ghislaine and Jeffrey left us after that, and later Andrew left.’
The following morning, Miss Maxwell allegedly told her: ‘You did well. He had fun.’ :stop:

More sordid secrets of Epstein’s ‘House of Sin’ then began to emerge – including Andrew’s penchant for massages. The billionaire’s long-standing handyman and cleaner Juan Alessi said, in court papers seen by the Mail, that he set up massage tables for Andrew on a daily basis. Speaking under oath to solicitors in 2009, he said pictures of naked women were on display by the pool, while other witnesses described nude photographs of underage girls adorning a stairway. :ick:





Title: Re: Guess the Next Scandal! II
Post by: india on January 03, 2015, 07:18:06 pm
I don't know about that. He is the Queen's favorite child. She will protect him at all costs.


Title: Re: Prince Andrew allegedly a alleged pedophile
Post by: spanishlover on January 03, 2015, 07:22:06 pm
so none of these people have morals?  :sob:


Title: Re: Prince Andrew allegedly a alleged pedophile
Post by: india on January 03, 2015, 08:06:53 pm
There has been talk about all of them throughout the years: Lord Mountbatten, *nasty* Phil, Charles, Andrew, Edward, and of course our favorite Willy Boy. Lord Louis started it all. The only one exempt from this foulness is Harry.


Title: Re: Prince Andrew allegedly a alleged pedophile
Post by: Val on January 03, 2015, 08:32:20 pm
There was a very strong rumour circulating for a long while that Mountbatten was assassinated because of his paedophilia and that it had nothing to do with the IRA.  I do know for certain that he had a very open marriage and his wife Edwina had affairs with men and women.


Title: Re: Guess the Next Scandal! II
Post by: Val on January 03, 2015, 08:39:10 pm
Some say it is because he was Lord Portchester's son but don't how true that is.  Whatever, protecting him will do untold harm to herself and the Monarchy.  This *nasty* scandal will all coming out now and will be quite shocking.


Title: Re: Prince Andrew allegedly a alleged pedophile
Post by: Kuei Fei on January 03, 2015, 08:51:49 pm
There has been talk about all of them throughout the years: Lord Mountbatten, *nasty* Phil, Charles, Andrew, Edward, and of course our favorite Willy Boy. Lord Louis started it all. The only one exempt from this foulness is Harry.

That's only as far as we know.


Title: Re: Prince Andrew allegedly a alleged pedophile
Post by: india on January 03, 2015, 09:10:28 pm
I have also heard any times that Mountbatten was assassinated because of paedophilia. By MI5 or MI6. He was out of control and too close to the RF. He was a dangerous loose cannon and had to be stopped. The IRA was an easy target to blame.


Title: Re: Guess the Next Scandal! II
Post by: india on January 03, 2015, 09:12:06 pm
LET IT COME AND MAY NONE BE PROTECTED WHO WERE INVOLVED.


Title: Re: Prince Andrew allegedly a alleged pedophile
Post by: Stephanie on January 03, 2015, 09:43:24 pm
Andrew used to be good looking and he could still be good looking if he lost some weight and got in shape.
It's not like he can't get a girlfriend.
Why anyone wants sex with underage girls is beyond me.
Their body may seem adult but it isn't and mentally they are just teenagers( changing from child into young adults).
Pedophiles don't care about the mental damage they inflict onto their prey.
If Prince alleged pedo wanted to pay for sex he could have arranged for a discrete call girl- nothing wrong with sex between two consenting ADULTS imo.


Title: Re: Prince Andrew allegedly a alleged pedophile
Post by: india on January 03, 2015, 09:53:08 pm
I wonder where he's hiding out now that the sh*t is hitting the fan? I bet he's at Buck House or Sandringham whining and crying to his Mama to fix it for him. And she will.


Title: Re: Prince Andrew allegedly a alleged pedophile
Post by: Val on January 03, 2015, 09:58:46 pm
There will be a huge public outcry of she does, especially after the Saville Enquiry.   She did manage to halt the Burrell
Trial however because she suddenly 'remembered something'!!!


Title: Re: Guess the Next Scandal! II
Post by: HRH Tiana of NOLA on January 03, 2015, 09:59:15 pm
The fact that all of this is coming to fruition in the States and not in a country that the Firm can bully to keep their mouths shut is a game changer. This is going to make the whole lot of them look guilty and I wouldn't be surprised if American journos start digging into and reporting on the rest of their affairs.


Title: Re: Prince Andrew allegedly a alleged pedophile
Post by: Stephanie on January 03, 2015, 10:03:16 pm
Yes where is he?
If there were no truth to this whatsoever he would be raging and welcoming ANY trial to clear his name.
Not hiding and whining(like Michael Jackson).


Title: Re: Prince Andrew allegedly a alleged pedophile
Post by: gingerboy24 on January 03, 2015, 10:11:49 pm
Read this earlier, hope this woman sticks to her guns.

http://yournewswire.com/woman-who-claims-prince-andrew-abused-her-while-she-was-underage-sex-slave-says-she-is-being-unjustly-victimised/


Title: Re: Prince Andrew allegedly a alleged pedophile
Post by: india on January 03, 2015, 10:20:11 pm
TPTB may intimidate her, knock her off of buy her off.


Title: Re: Prince Andrew allegedly a alleged pedophile
Post by: gingerboy24 on January 03, 2015, 10:25:13 pm
Maybe, who knows. Rather suspect it would be from the American side first though if they want to protect Clinton so badly.


Title: Re: Prince Andrew allegedly a alleged pedophile
Post by: india on January 03, 2015, 10:30:56 pm
That Slime Bucket Clinton has gotten away with plenty.


Title: Re: Prince Andrew allegedly a alleged pedophile
Post by: Kuei Fei on January 03, 2015, 10:34:28 pm
National Enquirer ‏@NatEnquirer 45m45 minutes ago
WORLD EXCLUSIVE: PRINCE ANDREW TEEN 'SEX SLAVE' TELLS ALL http://ow.ly/GKoN8

WORLD EXCLUSIVE: PRINCE ANDREW TEEN 'SEX SLAVE' TELLS ALL
http://www.nationalenquirer.com/celebrity/world-exclusive-prince-andrew-teen-sex-slave-virginia-roberts-tells-all

This is beginning to leak like crazy, a sieve of information seeping out.

TPTB may intimidate her, knock her off of buy her off.
Maybe, who knows. Rather suspect it would be from the American side first though if they want to protect Clinton so badly.

Wouldn't work; if she dropped dead or mysteriously disappeared then Andrew would look as he likely is, guilty and a murderer.


Title: Re: Guess the Next Scandal! II
Post by: Kuei Fei on January 03, 2015, 10:37:59 pm
Think this will damage relations between the UK and the United States?


Title: Re: Prince Andrew allegedly a alleged pedophile
Post by: Fly on the wall on January 03, 2015, 10:58:40 pm
 phil dampier @phildampier  ·
According to reports Prince Andrew is due home Sunday from ski-ing holiday in Switzerland. Will he lie low or come out fighting?

 Nick Sutton @suttonnick  · 
Mail on Sunday front page - Andrew: No, I did not have sex with that girl #tomorrowspaperstoday #bbcpapers
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/B6dQvnzIYAAhE2I.jpg:large


Title: Re: Prince Andrew allegedly a alleged pedophile
Post by: Kuei Fei on January 03, 2015, 11:06:43 pm
If his holiday is being interrupted, I'm certain he's frightened about what will be coming out.

I think he'll be spending the next couple of months working with the courtiers on how to figure out how to handle the latest criminal mess he's made.

Any bets that courtiers will need treatment for PTSD?


Title: Re: Prince Andrew allegedly a alleged pedophile
Post by: Fly on the wall on January 03, 2015, 11:41:16 pm
Looks like he was in Switzerland since boxing day with york girls

Emily Andrews @byEmilyAndrews  ·

BP state: "It's emphatically denied that the Duke of York had any form of sexual contact or relationship with Virginia Roberts 1/2
2/2BP statement cont:"Any claim to the contrary is false and without foundation."Her v detailed claims against his...


Title: Re: Prince Andrew allegedly a alleged pedophile
Post by: Kuei Fei on January 03, 2015, 11:53:18 pm
Yeah, sure, a man who hangs around a alleged pedophile and goes to alleged pedophile parties is innocent of any kind of such misconduct.

WORLD EXCLUSIVE: The first full account of the masseuse at the center of the explosive Prince Andrew 'sex slave' drama... but is she telling the truth?

    Prince accused of abusing 'Jane Doe 3' at orgy where she was 'sex slave'
    Jane Doe 3 is Virginia Roberts, whose story was first uncovered in 2007
    She told extraordinary story of three years working for billionaire Epstein
    Said that she was paid to give erotic massages to tycoon and associates
    Claimed Ghislaine Maxwell, daughter of Robert, acted as his 'madame'
    Palace has emphatically denied Prince had relations with underage girls
    Now the most complete story yet of this young woman can be published


http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2895735/The-account-masseuse-centre-explosive-Prince-Andrew-sex-slave-drama-telling-truth.html#ixzz3No0Y86b7

I'm saying that Andrew had his own 'fun' and I bet at some point it'll come out. The Enquirer has broken such stories in the past and I'm certain that at some point Andrew will be outed. She was groomed and used.


Title: Re: Prince Andrew allegedly a alleged pedophile
Post by: Freya on January 04, 2015, 12:09:52 am
It sounds as if he is trying to brazen it out.  This girl must be very brave to take on the establishment like this. She is bound to receive money for her story but it's a huge risk if it's untrue.

There were parties with Russian "models" and it all sounds a very sleazy.


I don't know how much more sleaze that the RF can take. The Queen has carried out her duty as Head of State brilliantly but she has neglected her role as a mother.


Title: Re: Prince Andrew allegedly a alleged pedophile
Post by: YooperModerator on January 04, 2015, 12:33:05 am
phil dampier @phildampier  ·
According to reports Prince Andrew is due home Sunday from ski-ing holiday in Switzerland. Will he lie low or come out fighting?

 Nick Sutton @suttonnick  · 
Mail on Sunday front page - Andrew: No, I did not have sex with that girl #tomorrowspaperstoday #bbcpapers
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/B6dQvnzIYAAhE2I.jpg:large

Sound familiar to anyone?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KiIP_KDQmXs (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KiIP_KDQmXs)


Title: Re: Prince Andrew allegedly a alleged pedophile
Post by: HRH Tiana of NOLA on January 04, 2015, 12:33:46 am
Maybe, who knows. Rather suspect it would be from the American side first though if they want to protect Clinton so badly.

Not if part of the plan is to mess up Hilary's upcoming presidential bid.


Title: Re: Guess the Next Scandal! II
Post by: HRH Tiana of NOLA on January 04, 2015, 12:42:39 am
If this truly blows up the way it has potential to, the only way to not damage relations is for the PM/Parliment to publicly distance themselves from the Firm. Not doing so will make it look like they are guilty by association and were somehow covering for them. The republicans will have a field day with this.


Title: Re: Guess the Next Scandal! II
Post by: Mandosiel on January 04, 2015, 01:00:31 am
Think this is all signalling the end of the monarchy really, first Charles with Saville and now this!


Title: Re: Guess the Next Scandal! II
Post by: MelissaRose on January 04, 2015, 01:05:36 am
I don't know about that. He is the Queen's favorite child. She will protect him at all costs.

Why is that though? He seems the most useless! Should be Anne or Charles really...


Title: Re: Guess the Next Scandal! II
Post by: Kuei Fei on January 04, 2015, 01:32:43 am
If this truly blows up the way it has potential to, the only way to not damage relations is for the PM/Parliment to publicly distance themselves from the Firm. Not doing so will make it look like they are guilty by association and were somehow covering for them. The republicans will have a field day with this.

I'm sure the Republicans are livid about the victimized kids and writing one editorial after another and publishing on their websites.


Title: Re: Andrew's Scandal - Update: named in 'underage sex slave' lawsuit filed in U.S. court
Post by: Adeline on January 04, 2015, 01:33:14 am
I truly hope that these allegations about Andrew aren't true. Because if they are true, it's sickening and disgusting to think that he was doing this to girls not much younger than his own daughters.


Title: Re: Prince Andrew allegedly a alleged pedophile
Post by: Kuei Fei on January 04, 2015, 01:36:23 am
phil dampier @phildampier  ·
According to reports Prince Andrew is due home Sunday from ski-ing holiday in Switzerland. Will he lie low or come out fighting?

 Nick Sutton @suttonnick  · 
Mail on Sunday front page - Andrew: No, I did not have sex with that girl #tomorrowspaperstoday #bbcpapers
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/B6dQvnzIYAAhE2I.jpg:large

Sound familiar to anyone?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KiIP_KDQmXs (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KiIP_KDQmXs)

Sounds perfectly familiar.

Andrew is finished.


Title: Re: Andrew's Scandal - Update: named in 'underage sex slave' lawsuit filed in U.S. court
Post by: windsor2 on January 04, 2015, 01:40:21 am
She shouldn't run anyway. Why take on the headache of being president when she could sit back on her millions and enjoy being a grandmother.
He sounds like a complete bore and would go after young girls who don't know much. This lady would be beyond nuts to make up a story such as this. Anyway, Wills must be relieved that he can carry on being lazy because the press is now on Andrew's back.
^^I think that the alligations could very well be true. Lets say that he didn't have sex with any of them, he was still around them, maybe feeling them up and taking massages from them. It's still sleezyness anyway. i think that the so called upper class have a very odd way of looking at sex. i don't think that they have any feelings because they seem to have affairs like it's nothing.
^yeah, Bill Clinton really made a mess of it when he looked at the camera and lied about never having sex with that woman. Eugenie's bunking off work hanging out with the waster Cressida and I guess Fergie and Andrew are also entow swanning around the fancy ski resort.


Title: Re: Andrew's Scandal - Update: named in 'underage sex slave' lawsuit filed in U.S. court
Post by: Kuei Fei on January 04, 2015, 01:42:53 am
He could be an accessory to a crime, since he knew about the criminal acts, but failed to notify the police and cooperate with law enforcement.


Title: Re: Andrew's Scandal - Update: named in 'underage sex slave' lawsuit filed in U.S. court
Post by: Mandosiel on January 04, 2015, 01:46:38 am
Whichever way you look at it, he's damned if he did and damned if he didn't. Little wonder Kate with her Uncle Gary was allowed to get this far, they're all in the same sleazy mud pit together. :thumbsdown:


Title: Re: Guess the Next Scandal! II
Post by: Adeline on January 04, 2015, 01:47:22 am
Could this Andrew scandal be the one that finally opens the floodgates to everything else the RF has covered up?


Title: Re: Andrew's Scandal - Update: named in 'underage sex slave' lawsuit filed in U.S. court
Post by: Freya on January 04, 2015, 01:53:29 am
Quote
This lady would be beyond nuts to make up a story such as this

I agree Windsor, and that is why I tend to believe her.


Title: Re: Guess the Next Scandal! II
Post by: windsor2 on January 04, 2015, 02:05:22 am
Perhaps. This could also be the lightening rod that changes the way they treat the princes and how they relate to the press. The princes shouldnb't be protected by the courtiers, HM and MI5/6. Even if this story goes away, Andrew's still scared imo. Unlike Clinton who has some redeeming qualities and talent, Andrew has neither in order to build his rep back. He's useless and his finished, imo.


Title: Re: Guess the Next Scandal! II
Post by: Kuei Fei on January 04, 2015, 02:26:52 am
There is no way that anyone can protect Andrew, not even HM or the intelligence officers of the British services. First, this is an attack on a US citizen. Second, this is an assault on US soil and Epstein is now officially a known alleged pedophile. Andrew will have to be offered up if the UK is going to sustain relations with the US as allies.

As for not protecting the princes, that has to end. It's not right that the courtiers keep getting so much dumped on their shoulders and end up covering up something as heinous as this. I never understood why the BRF protects the members of the royal family from their crimes, if they are committed.


Title: Re: Andrew's Scandal - Update: named in 'underage sex slave' lawsuit filed in U.S. court
Post by: Kuei Fei on January 04, 2015, 02:28:16 am
Right. Most sexual abuse victims don't admit unless they have the truth on their side. Look at how Cosby has fallen. It only took a few brave women and then all the others came out.

Whichever way you look at it, he's damned if he did and damned if he didn't. Little wonder Kate with her Uncle Gary was allowed to get this far, they're all in the same sleazy mud pit together. :thumbsdown:

Any bets that an Uncle Gary expose is next?


Title: Re: Andrew's Scandal - Update: named in 'underage sex slave' lawsuit filed in U.S. court
Post by: HRH Tiana of NOLA on January 04, 2015, 02:34:13 am
^ Fingers crossed!


Title: Re: Andrew's Scandal - Update: named in 'underage sex slave' lawsuit filed in U.S. court
Post by: Kuei Fei on January 04, 2015, 02:37:30 am
First, of course he didn't have sex with 'that' woman, since he wasn't messing around with a woman, he was messing around with a child.

Harvard law professor named alongside Prince Andrew in 'sex-slave' case accuses alleged victim of 'making up stories'

    Jeffrey Epstein was jailed for soliciting girls for underage prostitution
    Woman said she was 'forced' to have sex with Prince Andrew at parties
    Her lawyers claim he lobbied US government against Epstein's prosecution
    Alan Dershowitz, also named in paper, claims they are 'made-up stories'
    The royal issued a strong denial of ALL the 'categorically untrue' claims
    Alleged victim hit back by saying she would not be 'bullied into silence'
    'She was told to give the prince whatever he demanded by Epstein'


http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2895366/Prince-Andrew-lobbied-government-easy-Jeffrey-Epstein-Palace-denies-claims-royal-tried-use-influence-help-billionaire-alleged paedophile-2008-police-probe.html#ixzz3NogC6Clv


Title: Re: Guess the Next Scandal! II
Post by: HRH Tiana of NOLA on January 04, 2015, 02:39:14 am
This could get really ugly, really quickly. As much as I *despise* that this happened in the first place, as someone who has worked with abused children, I'm elated that this is being exposed.


Title: Re: Guess the Next Scandal! II
Post by: Kuei Fei on January 04, 2015, 02:44:10 am
It's getting worse by the minute; the DM is releasing one round of news and information after another.

Maxwell's daughter the 'high-class madame': Court papers say she 'facilitated Prince Andrew's acts of sexual abuse'

Ghislaine Maxwell stands accused of procuring young girls for Epstein
Court documents say she 'facilitated Prince Andrew's acts of sexual abuse'
Described in papers as 'primary co-conspirator in sex trafficking sheme
She is the daughter of crooked tycoon Robert Maxwell, who died in 1991


http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2895087/Maxwell-s-daughter-high-class-madame-Court-papers-say-facilitated-Prince-Andrew-s-acts-sexual-abuse.html#ixzz3NohNI6iO

I'm surprised the DM is being so open and informative about this.


Title: Re: Guess the Next Scandal! II
Post by: cate1949 on January 04, 2015, 03:02:39 am
I can't help but recall the rumors have been going on for years about Andrew and no one thought to intervene?  While he may not have had sex with the girl - receiving massages was inappropriate and just hanging with that crowd was wrong - like Andy did not notice all these young girls around the house that he is known to have stayed in?  Or the porno pics of Jeffrey and the girls all over as was reported?  There are 40 known underage girls!  

But I still think he will not be charged with anything and that this will be a big blow to his reputation he will get away with it.  Loss of respect yes - but no trial or anything else.

The Palace will have to come up with something huge to distract from this - will they hire a fiancee for Harry?  release a one hour video of George?  Show us the sonargrams from the pregnancy?   It will have to be something big to change the subject.    

tweets today:

@victoriaarbiter
Buckingham Palace normally buries its head in the sand & waits for potential scandal to blow over. Aides are coming out fighting this time.


@victoriaarbiter
In an effort to maintain facts as opposed to allegations here are the ages of consent depending on location UK: 16, NY: 17, FL: 18.


@victoriaarbiter
Across the Caribbean the age of consent varies btwn 14 & 16. Remember Andrew has been named not charged. Investigation ongoing


phil dampier @phildampier  ·  4 h Há 4 horas
#PrinceAndrew Andrew is the Queen's favourite but has she been too lenient with him over the years?


@phildampier  ·  4 h Há 4 horas
Prince Andrew story is not going away. Who'd be a Palace press officer at the moment!!


Victoria is being disingenuous - the age of consent in NY is 17 if you are with someone under 21 - if you are with someone over 21 age of consent is 18.
You can tell where Victoria's bread gets buttered.



Title: Re: Guess the Next Scandal! II
Post by: windsor2 on January 04, 2015, 03:12:58 am
I think that whatever the palace comes up with to try and distract from this scandal will be viewed as obvious, imo. Even if Waity's fraud of her 2 pregancies (imo) are exposed, it wont be too much of a shock to people, so Andrew's sex scandal will still be in the press. Andrew's just going to have to face the fire storm.  :cookie: 


Title: Re: Guess the Next Scandal! II
Post by: Kuei Fei on January 04, 2015, 03:18:35 am
I can't help but recall the rumors have been going on for years about Andrew and no one thought to intervene?  While he may not have had sex with the girl - receiving massages was inappropriate and just hanging with that crowd was wrong - like Andy did not notice all these young girls around the house that he is known to have stayed in?  Or the porno pics of Jeffrey and the girls all over as was reported?  There are 40 known underage girls!  

But I still think he will not be charged with anything and that this will be a big blow to his reputation he will get away with it.  Loss of respect yes - but no trial or anything else.

What about relations with the US? Won't they become strained and iffy? The NY crowd and DC crowd are no saints, but I do believe that publicly, once this spreads, that there will be issues. At some point, a Labor PM might be elected, or someone else, but not Tory and then of course, there'll be problems with parliament.

Each time a new generation is elected, the dynasty becomes less an asset and more of an irritant.


Title: Re: Guess the Next Scandal! II
Post by: CarryingOn on January 04, 2015, 03:29:15 am
It all comes down to what can be proved and what can't be proved. I'm not saying that massages and whatnot aren't sleazy but if he didn't stick his d$ck in any of these girls or touch them on any of the key areas, than I think he won't be charged with anything. His reputation will definitely take the blow. If it can be proved that he has done either of those two things, I think he most definitely will be charged.

I think in most cases where things are covered up, it's because someone's paid off or threatened the person who could possibly make the accusations so things never go to court in the first place. This situation is a totally different ball game. This case is in a court of law and though it's only a civil case at the moment that could very well change and the more these girls talk, more than a few criminal cases could develop from it. This girl seems to be speaking up and not backing down and has nothing to lose so never say never. If in a court of law, Andrew becomes a suspect and/or is charged with something, there is no saving him. The Queen protecting him will only cause her own reputation to sink and be a blight on the whole monarchy.


Title: Re: Andrew's Scandal - Update: named in 'underage sex slave' lawsuit filed in U.S. court
Post by: cate1949 on January 04, 2015, 03:29:34 am
right Yooper - they are using a Clinton strategy - carefully saying he did not have sex with an underage girl - of course he may have had erotic massages which the girl claims and he may say she was not underage - but you know that is not really sex!


I have no idea if what the women claims is true although there have been rumors about Andy for a long time.  However - you cannot persuade me he spent time in Epstein's various homes (which is documented that he did) and did not notice all these young girls about?  He had to be aware of what was going on - he is pictured hugging the women who he claims he did not even know. 

But he will not be charged he will not see jail time - they are going into overdrive now to deny this.  The RF can call in major favors.   The thing that could keep it alive is that they are just filing briefs now - wait till it gets to court which might be months from now.  So his reputation will be - probably is - savaged and that is no small loss but he won't be going to jail.

I tell you - the RF will have to come up with something in an attempt to distract from this - Harry will be seen smooching a girl - or - Kate's sonargram pics will leak - or George  will read the Magna Carta - from memory!  Too bad Harry has already done naked Vegas - naked Harry would for sure throw this out of the headlines.  Do notice that PC's interference with the BBC is no longer a topic. 

I am not trying to say this is funny - it is tragic - tragic for those  girls and even for Andrew to have had such appallingly poor ethics that he would hang with such a crowd and ruin his reputation.  Tragic for the Queen and PP at their age to have to deal with this. 


Title: Re: Guess the Next Scandal! II
Post by: cate1949 on January 04, 2015, 03:37:12 am
Labour will back the monarchy up too KF - they are all tied together. 

Is there are statue of limitations on these types of crimes?  I don't know - if there is - he is safe.  Ah looked it up - on pedophilia it is 4 years or when the child turns 18  is typical so Andy could not be charged with pedophilia - maybe something else but looks like he is safe re: the time lines. 



Title: Re: Andrew's Scandal - Update: named in 'underage sex slave' lawsuit filed in U.S. court
Post by: Fly on the wall on January 04, 2015, 03:38:35 am
^Oh for sure the RF is digging deep in their bags to pull out. Hmm kate or someone might  let slip the gender of baby 2 George a vid might leak of him saying words him playing in the park a family pap pic of william kate and George on a beach some where and yes of course harry good ole harry.


Title: Re: Andrew's Scandal - Update: named in 'underage sex slave' lawsuit filed in U.S. court
Post by: Kuei Fei on January 04, 2015, 03:41:51 am
No matter what, he's going to have to do more than a few charity appearances to get himself out of this. It's over for him.

Even IF he got a massage, she's still underage.

There is no way he's going to get himself out of this, of that I'm sure.


Title: Re: Guess the Next Scandal! II
Post by: Kuei Fei on January 04, 2015, 03:51:49 am
I dunno; Blair took apart HM's yacht, took certain other prerogatives away, and despite Cameron's toadying, nothing has been restored. This will finish Andrew. There might not be criminal charges, but like Cosby, this will be a 'career' ending blow to his life as a royal and his mother is not going to be able to shield him forever. He'll never live this down and will never be able to end up having any real role. Cosby can't be charged, but he's lost his positions on university boards/committees and those were valuable to him. All it will take is a few smooth tugs and his life will unravel.

It all comes down to what can be proved and what can't be proved. I'm not saying that massages and whatnot aren't sleazy but if he didn't stick his d$ck in any of these girls or touch them on any of the key areas, than I think he won't be charged with anything. His reputation will definitely take the blow. If it can be proved that he has done either of those two things, I think he most definitely will be charged.

I think in most cases where things are covered up, it's because someone's paid off or threatened the person who could possibly make the accusations so things never go to court in the first place. This situation is a totally different ball game. This case is in a court of law and though it's only a civil case at the moment that could very well change and the more these girls talk, more than a few criminal cases could develop from it. This girl seems to be speaking up and not backing down and has nothing to lose so never say never. If in a court of law, Andrew becomes a suspect and/or is charged with something, there is no saving him. The Queen protecting him will only cause her own reputation to sink and be a blight on the whole monarchy.

There will be others when the other victims feel it is safe. Same with Cosby, all it takes is a few good people to do the work. As it is, the DM is releasing everything and exposing everyone involved and certainly, this is a signal that Andrew, like Cosby, is not going to have the media protecting his backside. I do think that it is possible that he has been recently messing around with girls and no matter the age of consent, it's still disgusting. I'm certain that there's stuff out there. Now that the procuress is exposed as being a frequent guest at his estate, I bet we'll hear something from someone.


Title: Re: Andrew's Scandal - Update: named in 'underage sex slave' lawsuit filed in U.S. court
Post by: Fly on the wall on January 04, 2015, 03:52:02 am
Prince Andrew's sex claims summit with the Queen

PRINCE Andrew is due to fly back to Britain today to prepare for a face-to-face summit with the Queen over how to deal with claims he had sex with a trafficked teenager.

http://www.express.co.uk/news/royal/550083/Prince-Andrew-fly-Britain-sex-claims-trafficked-teenager-summit-crisis-talks-with-Queen


Title: Re: Andrew's Scandal - Update: named in 'underage sex slave' lawsuit filed in U.S. court
Post by: danifaul on January 04, 2015, 03:53:34 am
I tell you - the RF will have to come up with something in an attempt to distract from this - Harry will be seen smooching a girl - or - Kate's sonargram pics will leak - or George  will read the Magna Carta - from memory!  Too bad Harry has already done naked Vegas - naked Harry would for sure throw this out of the headlines.  Do notice that PC's interference with the BBC is no longer a topic.  
I am not trying to say this is funny - it is tragic - tragic for those  girls and even for Andrew to have had such appallingly poor ethics that he would hang with such a crowd and ruin his reputation.  Tragic for the Queen and PP at their age to have to deal with this.  
^Oh for sure the RF is digging deep in their bags to pull out. Hmm kate or someone might  let slip the gender of baby 2 George a vid might leak of him saying words him playing in the park a family pap pic of william kate and George on a beach some where and yes of course harry good ole harry.
agree and unfortunately  :nervous: Harry has my vote.
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EXCLUSIVE: Prince Andrew's sex claims summit with the Queen
PRINCE Andrew is due to fly back to Britain today to prepare for a face-to-face summit with the Queen over how to deal with claims he had sex with a trafficked teenager.
The Queen will want to know if he feels he can continue in the unofficial role this year as the scandal gathers pace, but will make clear to him that he has strong support.

Last night the Right Honourable Margaret Rhodes, the Queen’s cousin, said the claims were “complete rubbish” and added that “of course” the Duke of York would be supported by the Royal Family.

Yesterday it was revealed that Prince Andrew has now been accused of helping Epstein win a plea bargain with US justice officials.

read more : http://www.express.co.uk/news/royal/550083/Prince-Andrew-fly-Britain-sex-claims-trafficked-teenager-summit-crisis-talks-with-Queen

sad  :angry:


Title: Re: Andrew's Scandal - Update: named in 'underage sex slave' lawsuit filed in U.S. court
Post by: Kuei Fei on January 04, 2015, 03:56:59 am
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But he is expected back at Windsor today to prepare his fightback over his links with US alleged paedophile billionaire Jeffrey Epstein.

Royal sources have told the Sunday Express the 54-year-old Prince will meet senior Palace courtiers and legal advisers in the coming days before he travels to Sandringham to brief the Queen on developments.

“The Queen is very fond of Andrew and will not chastise him, but she will expect to see him soon to hear his views,’’ said a royal source.

“A very clear denial has already been issued and Prince Andrew will be meeting senior courtiers to work out a strategy of dealing with this in the coming weeks.”

Prince Andrew has been accused of having sex with a 17-year-old in London, New York and on Epstein’s private island in the Virgin Islands, according to court papers filed in the US.

Fightback?

He must be guilty as sin itself if he's worried about fighting back and not cooperating with the police. If it were said he was summoned to explain everything, to answer questions, okay, but fight back? Strategy?

He's accused of sex crimes and he's worried about PR?

As for HM, she's deranged. Anyone sane would be screaming at their son over the phone and would disown them for hanging around a alleged pedophile.

Colourful past of prince dubbed Randy Andy
http://www.express.co.uk/news/royal/549975/The-Duke-of-York-faces-scrutiny-relationships-and-lifestyle


Title: Re: Andrew's Scandal - Update: named in 'underage sex slave' lawsuit filed in U.S. court
Post by: danifaul on January 04, 2015, 04:03:53 am
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The Royal Chef@DarrenMcGrady
I remember Fergie failing to show for breakfast at Balmoral when the toe sucking was front page. Guess tomorrow is Prince Andrews turn #Ouch

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The Royal Chef @DarrenMcGrady  ·  53 min Há 53 minutos
The Queen will take Prince Andrews side no matter what.  #MummysFavorite
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Tomorrow's UK newspapers will make difficult reading for the palace & #PrinceAndrew #SundayMirror
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@victoriaarbiter
Buckingham Palace normally buries its head in the sand & waits for potential scandal to blow over. Aides are coming out fighting this time.


Title: Re: Andrew's Scandal - Update: named in 'underage sex slave' lawsuit filed in U.S. court
Post by: windsor2 on January 04, 2015, 04:23:28 am
WTF's wrong with HM? She's raised idiotic spoilt children wh use their social standing to get away with everything and scoffs at being told they did something wrong. Let's say he did nothing sexual with the girls which is highly unlikely, imo, he's still brefriending a known pedifile and taking money from him. HM should really tell this fool off and strip him of that honor she gave him a while back to show she supported him. I think that she needs to put her foot down somehow because it'sll look really bad for HM to pat this twit on his head and try and make this go away. It'd be great f she unleashed years of pent up frustration at how she protected her kids but they turned out to be  mostly spoilt people who expects her to bail them out of the trouble they get themselves into. This is the one time she can't expect to make this scandal go away by calling in favors.


Title: Re: Andrew's Scandal - Update: named in 'underage sex slave' lawsuit filed in U.S. court
Post by: Kit on January 04, 2015, 04:32:39 am
IMO, if it's true that Andrew is a creep it explains his relationship with Fergie.

She moves back in bc he's a pervert.  She traded access to her girls (I'm not suggesting anything other than custodial rights) for a roof over her head.  How embarrassing would it have been for HM's son to lose custodial rights to Fergie?  It would also explain HM's tolerance for Fergie's behavior over the years. 

She's still around bc she's a good cover for him not moving on and finding a new wife.  Since he apparently likes young girls.



Title: Re: Guess the Next Scandal! II
Post by: CarryingOn on January 04, 2015, 04:38:23 am
Just gotta wait and see. I'm certainly going to :cookie:


Title: Re: Andrew's Scandal - Update: named in 'underage sex slave' lawsuit filed in U.S. court
Post by: Kuei Fei on January 04, 2015, 04:40:44 am
WTF's wrong with HM?

She refuses to face these things head on like an adult.

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She's raised idiotic spoilt children wh use their social standing to get away with everything and scoffs at being told they did something wrong. Let's say he did nothing sexual with the girls which is highly unlikely, imo, he's still brefriending a known pedifile and taking money from him. HM should really tell this fool off and strip him of that honor she gave him a while back to show she supported him. I think that she needs to put her foot down somehow because it'sll look really bad for HM to pat this twit on his head and try and make this go away. It'd be great f she unleashed years of pent up frustration at how she protected her kids but they turned out to be  mostly spoilt people who expects her to bail them out of the trouble they get themselves into. This is the one time she can't expect to make this scandal go away by calling in favors.

She's a weak Queen, she refuses to understand that kicking Andrew to the curb would in fact SAVE her dynasty.


Title: Re: Andrew's Scandal - Update: named in 'underage sex slave' lawsuit filed in U.S. court
Post by: cate1949 on January 04, 2015, 04:57:44 am
read the story told by the Queen's cousins Margaret Rhodes - she thinks this makes her look good - these people have no idea they are clueless.

Andrew can have all the support in the world from the Queen (did the Palace dictate that article to the Telegraph?) but his reputation is done now.


Title: Re: Guess the Next Scandal! II
Post by: cate1949 on January 04, 2015, 05:26:28 am
Epstein has been a known alleged pedophile and sex trafficker since 2007.  What is new here is that four of his victims - have filed suit that their rights as victims were ignored - that Epstein used his powerful personal connections to get a easy plea bargain.  So his personal relationships are now an issue and what those people did to help him - if anything - is an issue.  So Andrew and others not named yet - if it can be proved that Andrew or others attempted to intervene on Epstein's behalf - then it is likely the women win their case.  Wonder when this gets to court.

Somehow I do not think Andrew tried to intervene with the US Justice Dept to get Epstein off - he is not important enough in the RF to have that sort of influence and one hopes he is not that stupid.

And how can this girl prove he had sex with her?  Unless it is verified by one of the other four claimants?  Most of the other girls have had financial settlements with Epstein and signed non disclosure agreements. 

The RF had best not misjudge the public mood - this could very easily start to look like  David against Goliath - these poor exploited women against powerful wealthy men.  Easy to see who the public will back. 

What is interesting is that two of the women  went to court to prove they had the right to sue the federal prosecutors for violating their rights as victims - and the court agreed.  So now they are getting ready to sue the prosecutors who gave Epstein the easy plea.  I wonder if this means the sealed documents from the plea bargain will now be opened?  That would be interesting.

As for this affecting the US UK alliance - not a chance.  Too important.  Now people who would have ordinarily been seen in public with Andrew will not shun him publically - but he is unlikely to be invited to state dinners at the White House.  But was he ever?   

I would not believe everything said in that Telegraph article - read between the lines perhaps.  HM has to show support for him - to throw him to the wolves is to admit he did wrong.  They will try to ride this storm out.  But that doesn't mean Andrew is not going to suffer any consequences.  I'd say - the important part of that article is about whether he continues in his duties.  See over time if his schedule changes then we'll know the truth about how the Queen reacted to this.


Title: Re: Guess the Next Scandal! II
Post by: Kuei Fei on January 04, 2015, 05:32:30 am
Thing is, once this takes off in the US, I'm certain that it'll get buku coverage; with the Cosby scandal fresh, I'm sure that the public will be fascinated with this one too.



Title: Re: Guess the Next Scandal! II
Post by: Rosella on January 04, 2015, 05:41:16 am
Epstein has been a known alleged pedophile and sex trafficker since 2007.  What is new here is that four of his victims - have filed suit that their rights as victims were ignored - that Epstein used his powerful personal connections to get a easy plea bargain.  So his personal relationships are now an issue and what those people did to help him - if anything - is an issue.  So Andrew and others not named yet - if it can be proved that Andrew or others attempted to intervene on Epstein's behalf - then it is likely the women win their case.  Wonder when this gets to court.

Somehow I do not think Andrew tried to intervene with the US Justice Dept to get Epstein off - he is not important enough in the RF to have that sort of influence and one hopes he is not that stupid.

And how can this girl prove he had sex with her?  Unless it is verified by one of the other four claimants?  Most of the other girls have had financial settlements with Epstein and signed non disclosure agreements. 

The RF had best not misjudge the public mood - this could very easily start to look like  David against Goliath - these poor exploited women against powerful wealthy men.  Easy to see who the public will back. 

What is interesting is that two of the women  went to court to prove they had the right to sue the federal prosecutors for violating their rights as victims - and the court agreed.  So now they are getting ready to sue the prosecutors who gave Epstein the easy plea.  I wonder if this means the sealed documents from the plea bargain will now be opened?  That would be interesting.

As for this affecting the US UK alliance - not a chance.  Too important.  Now people who would have ordinarily been seen in public with Andrew will not shun him publically - but he is unlikely to be invited to state dinners at the White House.  But was he ever?   

I would not believe everything said in that Telegraph article - read between the lines perhaps.  HM has to show support for him - to throw him to the wolves is to admit he did wrong.  They will try to ride this storm out.  But that doesn't mean Andrew is not going to suffer any consequences.  I'd say - the important part of that article is about whether he continues in his duties.  See over time if his schedule changes then we'll know the truth about how the Queen reacted to this.

Yes, Cate it will be all hands on deck to help support this awful man, son, brother, father, in this emergency situation. However, one can't imagine Charles being impressed at all, and increasingly it is his voice that is heard in family conferences. Nor can I imagine the Queen being anything other than appalled.

If his schedule decreases over the next few months and his air travel is restricted we will know Andrew has received his come-uppance. (Frankly, if I never heard of him or Fergie again it would be absolutely no loss.) With few friends left Fergie might even have to live within her budget. Now that would be something to see!


Title: Re: Andrew's Scandal - Update: named in 'underage sex slave' lawsuit filed in U.S. court
Post by: Mandosiel on January 04, 2015, 06:25:27 am
It would be the most hypocritical thing ever for them to pat Andrew on the head and tell him they'll get him out of this one when Harry got a major dressing down with the whole Vegas thing, unbelievable. That family makes me sick!!! :ick: Seriously Harry, Zara, and Peter are the only sane ones there. Not all that sure on the Yorkie girls.


Title: Re: Andrew's Scandal - Update: named in 'underage sex slave' lawsuit filed in U.S. court
Post by: Kuei Fei on January 04, 2015, 06:36:53 am
Why are they protecting him? They're only going to take a nice large wrecking ball to the dynasty if this continues.

Maxwell's daughter the 'high-class madame': Court papers say she 'facilitated Prince Andrew's acts of sexual abuse'

Ghislaine Maxwell stands accused of procuring young girls for Epstein
Court documents say she 'facilitated Prince Andrew's acts of sexual abuse'
Described in papers as 'primary co-conspirator in sex trafficking sheme
She is the daughter of crooked tycoon Robert Maxwell, who died in 1991


http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2895087/Maxwell-s-daughter-high-class-madame-Court-papers-say-facilitated-Prince-Andrew-s-acts-sexual-abuse.html#ixzz3Npe3BH8K

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Ghislaine Maxwell with Jeffrey Epstein (left) at Sandringham in 2000 and at an event in New York in 2010

Invited to Sandringham?

Circumstantial evidence has been piling up and I am certain that at some point something is going to pop out and the Windsors will be (deservedly) toasted.



Title: Re: Andrew's Scandal - Update: named in 'underage sex slave' lawsuit filed in U.S. court
Post by: Rosella on January 04, 2015, 08:25:36 am
Why are they protecting him? They're only going to take a nice large wrecking ball to the dynasty if this continues.

Maxwell's daughter the 'high-class madame': Court papers say she 'facilitated Prince Andrew's acts of sexual abuse'

Ghislaine Maxwell stands accused of procuring young girls for Epstein
Court documents say she 'facilitated Prince Andrew's acts of sexual abuse'
Described in papers as 'primary co-conspirator in sex trafficking sheme
She is the daughter of crooked tycoon Robert Maxwell, who died in 1991


http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2895087/Maxwell-s-daughter-high-class-madame-Court-papers-say-facilitated-Prince-Andrew-s-acts-sexual-abuse.html#ixzz3Npe3BH8K

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Ghislaine Maxwell with Jeffrey Epstein (left) at Sandringham in 2000 and at an event in New York in 2010

Invited to Sandringham?

Circumstantial evidence has been piling up and I am certain that at some point something is going to pop out and the Windsors will be (deservedly) toasted.



They were invited to Wood Farm Sandringham as Andrew's guests, not to the big house as the Queen's. And that was in 2000.


Title: Re: Andrew's Scandal - Update: named in 'underage sex slave' lawsuit filed in U.S. court
Post by: Rosella on January 04, 2015, 08:30:04 am
It would be the most hypocritical thing ever for them to pat Andrew on the head and tell him they'll get him out of this one when Harry got a major dressing down with the whole Vegas thing, unbelievable. That family makes me sick!!! :ick: Seriously Harry, Zara, and Peter are the only sane ones there. Not all that sure on the Yorkie girls.

Who's saying they'll get him out of anything? The family being supportive of a son, brother, father who is in trouble, while probably being devastated at his behaviour, isn't the same as trying to 'get him out of' something.


Title: Re: Guess the Next Scandal! II
Post by: Snowdrop on January 04, 2015, 10:54:32 am


And how can this girl prove he had sex with her?  Unless it is verified by one of the other four claimants?  Most of the other girls have had financial settlements with Epstein and signed non disclosure agreements. 


Non disclosure agreements do not prevent someone from giving evidence in court on the subject so if they have any proof or friends who witnessed anything relevant then they would be perfectly free to testify


Title: Re: Andrew's Scandal - Update: named in 'underage sex slave' lawsuit filed in U.S. court
Post by: Stephanie on January 04, 2015, 11:02:09 am
http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/prince-andrew-queens-darling-who-4915449 :ick:


Title: Re: Andrew's Scandal - Update: named in 'underage sex slave' lawsuit filed in U.S. court
Post by: windsor2 on January 04, 2015, 12:07:30 pm
Prince Andrew may have been secretly filmed with underage girl he is alleged to have abused
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Details buried in original court papers filed against pervert Jeffrey Epstein, 61, reveal that he recorded the sordid orgies he threw for VIPs at his luxury homes using cameras hidden in the walls of guest bedrooms.
http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/prince-andrew-been-secretly-filmed-4915421

I believe this.  :-X


Title: Re: Andrew's Scandal - Update: named in 'underage sex slave' lawsuit filed in U.S. court
Post by: Fly on the wall on January 04, 2015, 12:19:57 pm
I was thinking I'm surprise no videdio tapes are around buried deep somewhere. Those sick freaks like to record stuff like that and keep them .i know those other bigwigs who are invole praying to what ever God they worship those tapes if the tapes around and not destroyed don't come to light .


Title: Re: Andrew's Scandal - Update: named in 'underage sex slave' lawsuit filed in U.S. court
Post by: Stephanie on January 04, 2015, 12:22:23 pm
Hopefully the police gets to the bottom of this.
Disgusting fact: apparently Prince P. did not have any protective instinct towards a 17 year old girl when Beatrice was 14 at the time.


Title: Re: Andrew's Scandal - Update: named in 'underage sex slave' lawsuit filed in U.S. court
Post by: gingerboy24 on January 04, 2015, 12:26:16 pm
Don´t know how true this is.

http://yournewswire.com/prince-andrews-alleged paedophile-friend-jeffrey-epstein-sued-for-65/


Title: Re: Andrew's Scandal - Update: named in 'underage sex slave' lawsuit filed in U.S. court
Post by: Countess of Holland on January 04, 2015, 12:46:06 pm
Indeed..and at the very least, he has shown an incredible poor (to use an understatement) lack of judgement. I am against the death penalty, but for peadophiles I am more than willing to make an exception. They are the lowest of the low.

BTW this scandal is very convenient for Charles; the whole story about his attempts to block the BBC documentary has been in the background. Any possibility Charles threw his brother under the bus to save his own skin? It wouldn't be the first time.


Title: Re: Andrew's Scandal - Update: named in 'underage sex slave' lawsuit filed in U.S. court
Post by: Stephanie on January 04, 2015, 12:55:07 pm
Possible.
Maybe he or an enemy of the Windsors payed for this victim to tell her story.


Title: Re: Andrew's Scandal - Update: named in 'underage sex slave' lawsuit filed in U.S. court
Post by: Freya on January 04, 2015, 12:58:16 pm
Reading an article in the DM it states that Andrew is very careful about his reputation. The article then goes on to say that Andrew attended pool parties with naked women. A bit of a contradiction.

If he cared about his reputation he would have avoided Epstein like the plague.  


Title: Re: Andrew's Scandal - Update: named in 'underage sex slave' lawsuit filed in U.S. court
Post by: Ariel on January 04, 2015, 01:31:27 pm
if Charles is behind that Andrew must have done something. you don't throw your brother in the hands of the law just to save your sweet lovely wife's reputation as sweet and innocent ...


Title: Re: Andrew's Scandal - Update: named in 'underage sex slave' lawsuit filed in U.S. court
Post by: Snowdrop on January 04, 2015, 01:56:44 pm
"Prince Andrew may have been secretly filmed with underage girl he is alleged to have abused"

OMG - can you imagine if there are videos and they found their way onto the internet   :o :o


Title: Re: Andrew's Scandal - Update: named in 'underage sex slave' lawsuit filed in U.S. court
Post by: Stephanie on January 04, 2015, 02:00:28 pm
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2896075/Prince-Andrew-flies-skiing-holiday-tell-Queen-s-innocent-underage-sex-allegations-does-immunity-deal-government.html
He already wants to crawl away under Epstein's non prosecution deal!


Title: Re: Andrew's Scandal - Update: named in 'underage sex slave' lawsuit filed in U.S. court
Post by: KGap on January 04, 2015, 02:15:07 pm
I think it's terrible to think Charles would be behind this. It really doesn't bode well for the overall family image. Charles and Camilla will never be popular, whether or not the bcc documents his pr campaign.

Do I believe Andrew was named to save other bigger political and powerful figures. Probably.


Title: Re: Andrew's Scandal - Update: named in 'underage sex slave' lawsuit filed in U.S. court
Post by: Ariel on January 04, 2015, 02:18:01 pm
... like Clinton whose wife gets into a major scandal every time she runs for presidency ....


Title: Re: Andrew's Scandal - Update: named in 'underage sex slave' lawsuit filed in U.S. court
Post by: Stephanie on January 04, 2015, 02:20:37 pm

^
^
Chuck is bigger- who knows what he might have been up to, given his frequent visits to Jimmy Saville's highland mansion.
http://i2.mirror.co.uk/incoming/article4909698.ece/alternates/s615b/Prince-Andrew.png
Never suspected this of Andrew, I thought he was into models and glamour girls in general-not kids.


Title: Re: Andrew's Scandal - Update: named in 'underage sex slave' lawsuit filed in U.S. court
Post by: HRH Tiana of NOLA on January 04, 2015, 02:28:53 pm
IMO, if it's true that Andrew is a creep it explains his relationship with Fergie.

She moves back in bc he's a pervert.  She traded access to her girls (I'm not suggesting anything other than custodial rights) for a roof over her head.  How embarrassing would it have been for HM's son to lose custodial rights to Fergie?  It would also explain HM's tolerance for Fergie's behavior over the years. 

She's still around bc she's a good cover for him not moving on and finding a new wife.  Since he apparently likes young girls.



Ooh! I hadn't thought of that angle. Makes complete sense, though.


Title: Re: Andrew's Scandal - Update: named in 'underage sex slave' lawsuit filed in U.S. court
Post by: KGap on January 04, 2015, 02:30:23 pm
That is true. He isn't any better than Andrew in this respect. There have been various rumors about chuck for years, but never young.

There have been rumors about Andrew, especially after 2011.


Title: Re: Andrew's Scandal - Update: named in 'underage sex slave' lawsuit filed in U.S. court
Post by: HRH Tiana of NOLA on January 04, 2015, 02:38:43 pm
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2896075/Prince-Andrew-flies-skiing-holiday-tell-Queen-s-innocent-underage-sex-allegations-does-immunity-deal-government.html
He already wants to crawl away under Epstein's non prosecution deal!

The fact that a deal was struck means things are going to get WAY more interesting. In the U.S., prosecutors will only agree to one if it means the person will tell them all - and I mean EVERY SORTED DETAIL - and they get to nail bigger fish to the wall (i.e. - the ring leader, higher profile names, etc.).

I stand by what I said in a previous post: Andy will end up being the sacrificial lamb.


Title: Re: Guess the Next Scandal! II
Post by: HRH Tiana of NOLA on January 04, 2015, 02:48:51 pm
Labour will back the monarchy up too KF - they are all tied together. 

Is there are statue of limitations on these types of crimes?  I don't know - if there is - he is safe.  Ah looked it up - on pedophilia it is 4 years or when the child turns 18  is typical so Andy could not be charged with pedophilia - maybe something else but looks like he is safe re: the time lines. 



True, but we don't know what else will come from this investigation. Where there is one public victim, there are 50 behind the scenes. Predators don't just do their dirt, then stop. I wouldn't be surprised if, as time goes on, more victims who are younger and still within the statute of limitations come out of the woodwork (see Bill Cosby).

Does anyone know when Andy hung out with this dude last?


Title: Re: Guess the Next Scandal! II
Post by: starsailor on January 04, 2015, 03:58:33 pm
Epstein and Uncle Fester have things in common. I wouldn't be surprised if the press is going to dig in Waity's past and her 'family history', because she's an easy target. Now that they criticize her laziness, it won't be long until they come up with some inconvenient truths about her and the medds. The connection with her nice friend Emma Sayle has been mentioned again. I wonder what will come up next.
The rf doesn't seem to care about her anymore as well as her 'caring husband'. I think they will help PA, but not her.

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Over the years, it has played host to supermodels, singers and playboys. The property was even the favoured venue for sex parties thrown by one of the Duchess of Cambridge’s erstwhile chums.
...
More recently, the address had become a byword for decadence and promiscuity. Davenport had a lucrative sideline hiring out his home to Emma Sayle, who used to go to school with the Duchess of Cambridge. Amid its increasingly seedy and shabby surroundings, she hosted marathon sex parties.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2895738/Porn-baron-buys-mansion-used-sex-parties-former-friend-Duchess-Cambridge-25m-fake-lord.html
 :easter-sly:


Title: Re: Guess the Next Scandal! II
Post by: Ariel on January 04, 2015, 04:21:20 pm
I smell desperate. the Palace's PR is trying to create rumors and chatter about anyone else but Andrew - they tried to bring Cressida back to the scene, tried with a flattering article about Harry's military career, mentioned Kate in the same sentence with porn lord ... they are desperate. i think that they'll now try to find an appearance for Harry. but i doubt that it will work. for me - an interesting turn of events will be for the prosecutors to get Andrew sent to US to be 'questioned' ... and that hits the news.


Title: Re: Guess the Next Scandal! II
Post by: windsor2 on January 04, 2015, 04:52:13 pm
This scandal's too big to have something knock it off the press, so the rya's will try to divert attention and it might work for a few hours but it'll be back to Andrew until all angles have been exhausted. The way this twit was raised, it's only a matter of time that his antics wouldn't be laughed off and covered up.
What I'd really like the next scandal to be would be the booting out of Waity. 9 months plus of doing nothing but raising her fake heirs, imo, with a boatload of staff. Now's the time to have her and her odeous family exposed and kicked out. It will give Andrew a resbit for a few hours, but give the press something to salavate on. Waity's being put out to pasture anyway and will get booted out at some time. The public will not like that she's going to be doing nothing for the next year but sit on her arse on the tax payer's dime.


Title: Re: Andrew's Scandal - Update: named in 'underage sex slave' lawsuit filed in U.S. court
Post by: Kuei Fei on January 04, 2015, 06:14:40 pm
I was  watching a documentary and it said that when you strike a deal, it's handled very delicately because you are essentially telling the prosecution you're guilty of SOMETHING and it's the most dangerous phase for someone who is charged. Andrew will be telling the US government (and by proxy the world) that he was up to SOMETHING when he was around Epstein and he will likely have to fess up in court about it. Chances are after it's all over the press, that he'll step out of public life.


Title: Re: Andrew's Scandal - Update: named in 'underage sex slave' lawsuit filed in U.S. court
Post by: YooperModerator on January 04, 2015, 06:40:34 pm
I see that scumbag Alan Dershowitz is also accused.  There are a lot of people in the judicial areas that would love to drag him into open court after the OJ and Von Bulow.  I wouldn't be shocked to see Andrew caught up in the flow. 


Title: Re: Guess the Next Scandal! II
Post by: Val on January 04, 2015, 06:47:49 pm
The UK public are baying for blood after the Saville scandal and Westminster cover ups.  The RF are going to have big trouble making the Andy accusations go away, especially when there are witnesses to him being at poolside parties with naked girls and others coming forward to support the girl and her claims.


Title: Re: Andrew's Scandal - Update: named in 'underage sex slave' lawsuit filed in U.S. court
Post by: cate1949 on January 04, 2015, 08:51:00 pm
but Andrew is not being legally charged with anything and it is likely the statue of limitations has run out. 

Jane Doe (Virginia) wants to be part of the lawsuit against the federal prosecutors who cut the deal with Epstein so she has had her lawyer file a brief describing why she too was a victim and hence should be part of the civil suit.  The court has to rule on this.  This is how Andrew's name came up - in the brief filed describing her experience as a victim.  It is unlikely anyone else is going to be prosecuted for this.  That is the whole point of the lawsuit - that the girls rights as victims were denied when the fed guys cut the easy plea bargain with Epstein and did not prosecute others involved. 

But - it is likely that when they get to trial the sealed documents from the original investigation will now be made public and the names of the men involved may come out.  The worse thing that will happen to Andrew and this is bad enough - is his reputation is dirt now.  There has been no announcement from the prosecutors office that more indictments would be made or that a criminal investigation is going to be reopened.  This is a civil suit against the federal prosecutors not a criminal charge against Andrew or others. 

Plus  because Andrew is not going to be put on trial he also has no way to defend himself other than to deny it or engage in some legal wrangling  the way the other named guy - Dershowitz is. 

The criminal prosecution ended in 2007 - Epstein went to jail then.  Dershowitz was his attorney then.  At that time there was a belief stated in the newspapers that Epstein got off so easy because of his powerful friends. 

The papers have not made it clear yet when this civil suit will come to court - it must be soon.  So when that happens all the gruesome details will be coming out and in the media. The result of that trial at most is that the federal prosecutors will have to pay damages to the victims.  That will discourage other fed prosecutors from cutting plea bargains like this.

Andrew is not going to jail for this - but his reputation is toast.


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Title: Re: Andrew's Scandal - Update: named in 'underage sex slave' lawsuit filed in U.S. court
Post by: Val on January 04, 2015, 09:01:29 pm
Apparently Epstein had hidden cameras in the bedrooms to film his 'friends' with under aged girls.  There are said to be several copies circulating so I wonder how BP will deal with any featuring Andrew as he must have been the prize guest.
To date BP have 'categorically denied his involvement'.  The butler at Palm Springs is alleged to have said that Andrew was frequently seen at the pool parties with naked girls.  Others have come out to support the girl involved with Andrew.


Title: Re: Andrew's Scandal - Update: named in 'underage sex slave' lawsuit filed in U.S. court
Post by: Kuei Fei on January 04, 2015, 09:27:01 pm
You know, during the Affair of the Necklace, Marie Antoinette was not on trial literally, but she was damaged beyond repair after this.

If videos circulate and Andrew is in one of them, the palace will look even worse than it does now.

Andrew doesn't have to be on trial for him to be damaged. Other people support this girl, he's in big trouble no matter what. No one will want him around anymore.

If Andrew is found out to have intervened in 2007 to get Epstein a light sentence, he'll be drive out of Britain, no matter how much the Queen loves him.


Title: Re: Andrew's Scandal - Update: named in 'underage sex slave' lawsuit filed in U.S. court
Post by: YooperModerator on January 04, 2015, 09:37:14 pm
Andrew hasn't been charged YET.  Big difference when you're dealing with a civil suit.  It's step one for a PA. If evidence comes out during investigation that is not known at present leaves any US prosecutor the right to make a charge.   Dershowitz would do and say anything to save himself and destroy anyone's name the process is all I meant about that loose cannon.

Andrew's credibility is shot on the public stage and I do wonder what other info is out there.  There has to be or it would have been a buy out by now.


Title: Re: Andrew's Scandal - Update: named in 'underage sex slave' lawsuit filed in U.S. court
Post by: Emperor on January 04, 2015, 09:54:39 pm
I see that scumbag Alan Dershowitz is also accused.  There are a lot of people in the judicial areas that would love to drag him into open court after the OJ and Von Bulow.  I wouldn't be shocked to see Andrew caught up in the flow. 


Just curious but why do you think he's a scumbag?

P.S I have no background in law so I only know he's a lawyer.


Title: Re: Andrew's Scandal - Update: named in 'underage sex slave' lawsuit filed in U.S. court
Post by: Fly on the wall on January 04, 2015, 10:21:46 pm
Palace takes unusual step to deny Prince Andrew underage sex claims
Duke of York returns from skiing holiday in Switzerland as Buckingham Palace lawyers are said to be assessing legal position

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Aides stepped up a highly unusual royal operation launched on Saturday to categorically deny the claims. Prince Andrew personally decided to issue a strong denial while still in Verbier.

He approved a statement, extraordinary in its frankness for a member of the royal family, which vehemently denied “any form of sexual contact or relationship with Virginia Roberts” and added: “The allegations made are false and without any foundation.”

In an attempt to stem the flow of sordid allegations Buckingham Palace on Sunday wrote to editors reminding them of their responsibilities under the Independent Press Standards Organisation code and the law. Palace lawyers were also said to be closely reviewing coverage and “assessing the legal position in respect of Sunday’s newspapers”.
http://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2015/jan/04/prince-andrew-denies-underage-sex-claims-buckingham-palace

Britain’s Prince Andrew is a royal footman.

A 30-year-old former teen “sex slave” has shared with the National Enquirer the sleaziest details of her alleged romp with Queen Elizabeth’s second son — featuring a toe-sucking session — when she was only 17.

The prince, whose other titles are Duke of York and, more colloquially, “Randy Andy,” has vehemently denied the accusations.

But the accuser, Virginia Roberts, insisted in an interview published Saturday by the Enquirer that her tryst with the prince was paid for by her purported pimp, billionaire financier-turned convicted alleged pedophile Jeffrey Epstein, who she said hired her as his “sex slave.”

She claimed in the interview that the fancy footwork happened in the London home of socialite Ghislaine Maxwell.

“Ghislaine played one of her favorite guessing games,’’ Roberts told the tabloid.

“She asked Andrew how old he thought I was. He guessed 17.

“They all kind of laughed about it, and Ghislaine made a joke that I was getting ‘too old’ for Jeffrey.”

http://pagesix.com/2015/01/04/teen-sex-toy-reveals-prince-andrews-royal-foot-fetish-report/


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Authorities in the United States apparently tried to protect the prince from scandal back in 2008, by giving Epstein a sweetheart plea deal according to a second report, in the Sunday Times of London.

“Please do whatever you can to keep this from becoming public,” a former senior counsel to then-President George W. Bush wrote in an e-mail to the US Attorney prosecuting Epstein.

Buckingham Palace denied the allegations.


Title: Re: Andrew's Scandal - Update: named in 'underage sex slave' lawsuit filed in U.S. court
Post by: Stephanie on January 04, 2015, 10:36:47 pm
No 17 year old should have to endure this.
A stray child given a "home" by a conniving alleged pedophile and then Andrew allegedly doing his business on her underage body. :ick: :ick:


Title: Re: Andrew's Scandal - Update: named in 'underage sex slave' lawsuit filed in U.S. court
Post by: windsor2 on January 04, 2015, 10:41:30 pm
The law's strange because he could be guilty and had sex with her but she could've used a fake name. So when he denies having sex or anything else with Virginia, he's telling the truth.

If Andrew had sex with my daughter when she was under age he should be prosecuted, says father of Virginia Roberts
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2896075/Prince-Andrew-flies-skiing-holiday-tell-Queen-s-innocent-underage-sex-allegations-does-immunity-deal-government.html

The episode of Sherlock Holmes called The Woman dealt with a sex scandal involving the British royal family. Sherlock's conclusion was to just pay the holder of the incriminating pictures whatever they demanded money wise. The holder of the pictures wasn't into selling them but using them as insurance that she's not be harmed by anyone. I imagine that Epstein has a lot of damning evidence on Andreww and all the others that have used his sick service and like the woman, will use them as leverage.
I'm not sure if this girl can get paid off for her silence as it seems to be way out of her hands.


Title: Re: Andrew's Scandal - Update: named in 'underage sex slave' lawsuit filed in U.S. court
Post by: Kuei Fei on January 04, 2015, 10:58:59 pm
Would someone PLEASE explain what is wrong with the mothers that they aren't watching their daughters, or are handing their daughters over?


Title: Re: Andrew's Scandal - Update: named in 'underage sex slave' lawsuit filed in U.S. court
Post by: Alexandrine on January 04, 2015, 11:06:34 pm
^Add the fathers to that equation. In the article where she explains her life in the DM it was said that she had ran away from home.


Title: Re: Andrew's Scandal - Update: named in 'underage sex slave' lawsuit filed in U.S. court
Post by: Kuei Fei on January 04, 2015, 11:11:07 pm
Was likely dysfunctional and I do think Andrew was playing around, he's no innocent when he hangs around a procurer and alleged pedophile on a regular basis.

Silence of the Epstein women: Former top model among several female employees of billionaire who refuse to answer questions on Prince Andrew 'sex slave' allegations

Ex-model among women staying silent on dealings with Jeffrey Epstein
Adriana Ross also refused to answer questions about Prince Andrew
She was hired by billionaire Epstein and worked at his mansion in Florida
Ross was asked if Prince slept with under-age girls but did not comment
Two other female employees of Epstein also refuse to answer questions


Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2896591/Silence-Epstein-women-Former-model-female-employees-billionaire-refuse-answer-questions-Prince-Andrew-sex-slave-allegations.html#ixzz3NthDll1n
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Title: Re: Andrew's Scandal - Update: named in 'underage sex slave' lawsuit filed in U.S. court
Post by: CarryingOn on January 04, 2015, 11:23:26 pm
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‘Mr Epstein seemed an upstanding kind of guy. She would go to his house in Palm Beach but always come home. When he started flying her all over the world we just thought what a life she was having … All Virginia ever said was that she was hired to give massages.’

 :- :- :-

A grown a$$ man hired your underage and uncertified daughter to give him "massages" and flew her around the world just to get "massages" when he can afford to go to the creme of the crop of masseuses in world renowned hotels and massage parlors and your antennae didn't go up at all, not once :-!!! I just don't understand it!


Title: Re: Andrew's Scandal - Update: named in 'underage sex slave' lawsuit filed in U.S. court
Post by: Miss Hathaway on January 04, 2015, 11:26:02 pm
Apologies if someone has already posted this link.  But an interesting viewpoint . . . .

http://baptonbooks.tumblr.com/post/106952181991/jackleg-lawyering-im-pure-and-simple


Title: Re: Andrew's Scandal - Update: named in 'underage sex slave' lawsuit filed in U.S. court
Post by: Kuei Fei on January 04, 2015, 11:28:35 pm
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‘Mr Epstein seemed an upstanding kind of guy. She would go to his house in Palm Beach but always come home. When he started flying her all over the world we just thought what a life she was having … All Virginia ever said was that she was hired to give massages.’

 :- :- :-

A grown a$$ man hired your underage and uncertified daughter to give him "massages" and flew her around the world just to get "massages" when he can afford to go to the creme of the crop of masseuses in world renowned hotels and massage parlors and your antennae didn't go up at all, not once :-!!! I just don't understand it!

The man is obviously not filled with common sense, the perfect target for a predator.


Title: Re: Andrew's Scandal - Update: named in 'underage sex slave' lawsuit filed in U.S. court
Post by: Fly on the wall on January 04, 2015, 11:47:59 pm
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Tim Ewart ‏@EwartRoyale
Prince Andrew returns home and intends to carry on with royal duties after forceful palace denials of wrong doing.

What suicidal urge drives royal people into the toxic embrace of these rich 'friends'?

It was more than 20 years ago, but I still remember the “Squidgygate” calls from the Palace press office. After an alleged lover was recorded calling Diana, Princess of Wales by the pet name “squidgy” on multiple occasions, I knew it meant another ruined holiday.

This holiday’s royal surprise is even worse than those unhappy souvenirs of the “Charles verses Di” era. It’s worse just not because the allegations involve dodgy billionaires and underage sex , nor because it’s a mortifying embarrassment for the new homogenised monarchy of the Middleton era – though that’s bad enough – it’s worse because this time the American legal system is involved.

The alleged female victim is invoking the Crime Victims’ Rights Act and has a former US Federal judge in her corner. He is unlikely to wilt under the kind of pressure Buckingham Palace might use to brush off a home-grown irritant.

This situation is scarier than any the Duke of York has faced since he put his helicopter in harm’s way between Argentinian Exocets and the British Falklands Task Force.
http://www.independent.co.uk/voices/comment/what-suicidal-urge-drives-royal-people-into-the-toxic-embrace-of-these-rich-friends-9956928.html


Title: Re: Andrew's Scandal - Update: named in 'underage sex slave' lawsuit filed in U.S. court
Post by: Mandosiel on January 04, 2015, 11:49:55 pm
It's more damaging to him the fact that they refuse to answer questions than if they did speak. Wrong move, makes him look guilty as sin.


Title: Re: Andrew's Scandal - Update: named in 'underage sex slave' lawsuit filed in U.S. court
Post by: cate1949 on January 04, 2015, 11:59:14 pm
Probably a lot of you have seen this article from 2011 - but it seems worth re-posting - really says a lot about Andrew and Fergie

http://www.vanityfair.com/society/features/2011/08/prince-andrew-201108#http://


Title: Re: Andrew's Scandal - Update: named in 'underage sex slave' lawsuit filed in U.S. court
Post by: Stephanie on January 05, 2015, 12:00:36 am
Why are there laws against pedophilia?
To protect children EVEN if they appear to consent to sex.
When everything else falls away, a mother, a father, a home, a place in life ; the only thing left for a human being is the body.
A healthy budding body is a source of power,it is means to survive.
You get "love", security and survival because of that body when everything else you NEED and DESERVE as a child falls away and alleged pedophile feed on that basic survival mechanism.


Title: Re: Andrew's Scandal - Update: named in 'underage sex slave' lawsuit filed in U.S. court
Post by: Kuei Fei on January 05, 2015, 12:17:04 am
Exactly!

I thought royal training was about learning not to take advantage, but apparently Andrew missed that one.

They're supposed to know when to stop themselves, but apparently that wasn't trained on Andrew.

Kids and teens (no matter what teens think, they are NOT mature enough for sex) are supposed to not have to defend themselves, yet they are because of animals like Epstein and I am dead sure Andrew got up to some mischief mainly since you don't socialize with that type for no reason.

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Tim Ewart ‏@EwartRoyale
Prince Andrew returns home and intends to carry on with royal duties after forceful palace denials of wrong doing.
What suicidal urge drives royal people into the toxic embrace of these rich 'friends'?

It was more than 20 years ago, but I still remember the “Squidgygate” calls from the Palace press office. After an alleged lover was recorded calling Diana, Princess of Wales by the pet name “squidgy” on multiple occasions, I knew it meant another ruined holiday.

This holiday’s royal surprise is even worse than those unhappy souvenirs of the “Charles verses Di” era. It’s worse just not because the allegations involve dodgy billionaires and underage sex , nor because it’s a mortifying embarrassment for the new homogenised monarchy of the Middleton era – though that’s bad enough – it’s worse because this time the American legal system is involved.

The alleged female victim is invoking the Crime Victims’ Rights Act and has a former US Federal judge in her corner. He is unlikely to wilt under the kind of pressure Buckingham Palace might use to brush off a home-grown irritant.

This situation is scarier than any the Duke of York has faced since he put his helicopter in harm’s way between Argentinian Exocets and the British Falklands Task Force.
http://www.independent.co.uk/voices/comment/what-suicidal-urge-drives-royal-people-into-the-toxic-embrace-of-these-rich-friends-9956928.html

Because the BRF are freeloaders; their main criteria for selecting friends is all about money and all about posh living/lifestyle. Kate never would have lasted if she had been unable to front being well off enough to be able to run in his set without him paying her way.

The Windsors have this very grand idea of how royalty should live and for some reason want others to live as grandly in order to be considered good enough for them. So they hang around celebrities and new money twits who fawn over them because they don't know that there's better out there.

The Windsors could easily choose to hang around charity workers socially and spend time inviting workers to their parties and receptions, but they choose not to.


Title: Re: Andrew's Scandal - Update: named in 'underage sex slave' lawsuit filed in U.S. court
Post by: cate1949 on January 05, 2015, 12:31:33 am
another very interesting article - this keeps on getting worse

http://pagesix.com/2015/01/04/teen-sex-toy-reveals-prince-andrews-royal-foot-fetish-report/?_ga=1.145456695.2059117862.1418601681http://



so besides the fact that this paints Fergie's famous toe sucking incident with that BF of hers in a whole nother light - it seems that it is true that the Bush administration intervened in the original Epstein prosecution - a Bush senior aide sent an email to the federal prosecutor asking him to do all he could to keep this (the original Epstein case) from becoming public as per the article linked to above.

it also seems that the original plea bargain with Epstein includes a deal that no other co conspirators be prosecuted - this would at the least include that Maxwell woman so that explains how she got off.

The vanity fair article I posted above also claims much of his trouble comes from trying to help out Fergie - which just IMHO proves Phillip was right about Fergie and staying far away from her.  The article also contends Beatrice received a $30,000 necklace from some dubious middle eastern guy. 

And finally - in 2011 as part of the ongoing civil suit - a handyman employed by Epstein testified that Andrew received massages every day and that Andrew was present at pool parties where there were plentiful numbers of naked adolescent girls.



Title: Re: Andrew's Scandal - Update: named in 'underage sex slave' lawsuit filed in U.S. court
Post by: Kuei Fei on January 05, 2015, 12:40:59 am
Did legal deal protect the duke? alleged paedophile billionaire's plea bargain halted police investigation 

    Highly-paid lawyers for Jeffrey Epstein secured controversial agreement
    It guaranteed 'potential co-conspirators' would not face criminal charges
    Deal may have given Prince protection from prosecution, it is claimed
    Aggressive tactics resulted in 'non-prosecution agreement' being struck
    Halted any prospect of Andrew being asked to answer questions on oath
    Many serious charges against Epstein and ‘co-conspirators’ were wiped
    In return, billionaire plead guilty to soliciting under-age girl for prostitution


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An ‘army of legal superstars’ persuaded prosecutors to sign a controversial agreement which may have given Prince Andrew protection from prosecution, it is claimed.

Highly-paid lawyers for Jeffrey Epstein – some of whom had links to the White House – secured an extraordinary deal which guaranteed ‘potential co-conspirators’ would not face criminal charges relating to his activities.

They had spent months delving into the private lives of state prosecutors to establish if they had any ‘personal peccadilloes’, in a desperate bid to defend Epstein against claims of abusing scores of under-age girls at his Florida mansion.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2896589/Did-legal-deal-protect-duke-alleged paedophile-billionaire-s-plea-bargain-halted-police-investigation.html#ixzz3Nu3IpyB5


Title: Re: Andrew's Scandal - Update: named in 'underage sex slave' lawsuit filed in U.S. court
Post by: cate1949 on January 05, 2015, 01:10:52 am
^that is just appalling - now we see exactly how the rich get away with all the things they get away with.  Investigating the private lives of the prosecutors?  And that creep Dershowitz is seeking now to disbar the attorneys for the women who are bringing the lawsuit - intimidation is their tactic.  This is disgusting abuse of power - federal prosecutors are not supposed to defend the powerful - there job is to defend the weak and the innocent.   

It is obvious now why these women are suing the federal prosecutors - they caved into all this pressure from Epstein his lawyers and the Bush administration.  Just obscene.

So the question is - just who (or multiple who's) was the Bush administration seeking to protect - did the UK ask the Bush administration?  Were there others involved? 

I hope this continues to get coverage in the US and specifically that Epstein and the slime who helped him avoided prosecution because of the Bush admin official interceding.  Just disgusting.

As for Andrew - he must retire from public life.  The RF should recognize defending his association with Epstein will not wash with the public.

Even if this dies down for awhile - once this case goes to court - it will start all over again.  As it should - people need to know what goes on.


Title: Re: Andrew's Scandal - Update: named in 'underage sex slave' lawsuit filed in U.S. court
Post by: windsor2 on January 05, 2015, 01:16:26 am
Andrew back to face the music: Prince flies home from skiing holiday amid growing crisis over claims he had sex with under-age girl
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Andrew has no immediate public engagements in his diary but the Mail understands that he still plans to fly to Davos in Switzerland for the World Economic Forum on January 21. Sources say he will host a reception there for foreign ministers on behalf of the British Government as part of a ‘business as usual’ strategy.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2896532/Andrew-face-music-Prince-flies-home-skiing-holiday-amid-growing-crisis-claims-sex-age-girl.html

He's going about his business like an innocent man. That's his team's strategy. I don't see that working and he'll have to stay out of public life.


Title: Re: Guess the Next Scandal! II
Post by: cate1949 on January 05, 2015, 01:23:50 am
could anything be worse than the current mess?  Okay yes there could be worse.  But this is pretty bad.  For all our predictions of possible scandals - the Windsors keep surprising us and coming up with stuff we did not expect.

This is what I predict - if it comes out that BP or 10 Downing St did ask the Bush administration to keep the Epstein scandal quiet for Andrew's sake - that will be huge - monstrously huge scandal.  Interfering in the US legal system?  Too big for words.  Which is why I think they were smart enough not to do it.

Revelation of the contents of those letters Charles has written to MP's will be the next big one.

2015 is not starting off well for the Windsors.


Title: Re: Andrew's Scandal - Update: named in 'underage sex slave' lawsuit filed in U.S. court
Post by: Kuei Fei on January 05, 2015, 01:27:31 am
If Andrew did interfere this will trash relations with the US, at least in the eyes of the public.

Interfering is bad enough, but in something like this? Interfering, a PRINCE interfering in the US judicial system?


Title: Re: Andrew's Scandal - Update: named in 'underage sex slave' lawsuit filed in U.S. court
Post by: cate1949 on January 05, 2015, 01:44:35 am
worse than that KF - the victims were then deprived of their rights under the law due to the harassment of the Epstein attorneys and then the interference of the White House aide.  This then looks bad for the Bush White House staff - who told the aide to contact the prosecutors over this?  So now this goes beyond Andrew - what the heck happened in the White House that led to them interfering?

Rather amazing all these women take the fifth - it means they have information which would incriminate them too so they refuse to answer.

It is also interesting that the Florida police say if Roberts files a complaint they would investigate.  Hard for her to prove her claim re: Andrew if all the other girls refuse to speak. 


Title: Re: Guess the Next Scandal! II
Post by: windsor2 on January 05, 2015, 01:53:06 am
Waity Middleton should be worried now that Andrew's in trouble. As others have posted, he'll be saved somehow because he's of royal blood where Waity's not and is expendable. I'm looking forward to her and her odious family to get their conupense. So my prediction is that Waity will be toast. She's already taking basically a year off from her joke of a work schedule and will her MIA, she'll get bad press and then the people outright asking what's the point of her and Will if they just want to freeload. She has massive staff so her being a hands on mum to two tots would be a lie as she'll have 2 nannies and such to do that.


Title: Re: Andrew's Scandal - Update: named in 'underage sex slave' lawsuit filed in U.S. court
Post by: Freya on January 05, 2015, 03:27:03 am
The RF are so hypocritical. Diana was advised to not align herself with AIDS charities yet Andrew can befriend a despicable man who pimps out under age girls.



Title: Re: Guess the Next Scandal! II
Post by: Bella on January 05, 2015, 03:33:37 am
Will someone please tell me where the Prince Andrew thread is because I can"t find it. Thnx


Title: Re: Guess the Next Scandal! II
Post by: Freya on January 05, 2015, 03:35:27 am
^^^
There could also be further revelations to come out regarding a large
alleged paedophile-ring

http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/vip-alleged paedophile-ring-abused-teenage-4721479



A young teenager claims to have been abused by a member of the RF.  


Title: Re: Andrew's Scandal - Update: named in 'underage sex slave' lawsuit filed in U.S. court
Post by: HRH Tiana of NOLA on January 05, 2015, 05:08:07 am
 So now this goes beyond Andrew - what the heck happened in the White House that led to them interfering?


One or several of their own (Republicans) were involved and it going public would have exposed them. If it had been a high ranking Democrat involved, they would have leaked it to everyone connected to an AP wire in the name of political capital.


Title: Re: Andrew's Scandal - Update: named in 'underage sex slave' lawsuit filed in U.S. court
Post by: danifaul on January 05, 2015, 06:33:44 am
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The Duke of York continued to see Jeffrey Epstein after the New York investment banker was convicted of sex offences. This seems unwise, to say the least.
His supporters might say this proves Andrew is a loyal person who does not desert friends who are in trouble. Alternatively, he might not have considered Epstein’s offences serious or his character especially bad.
Or he did know Epstein was a sleazy individual, but saw no reason why that should affect their friendship, which included entertaining Epstein at Windsor Castle, Sandringham and Balmoral.

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Why would Epstein lend out his 'sex slave' to the great, the good and the brainy?
Because, we are told, this meant he could subsequently 'blackmail' those who had pleasured themselves with Ms Roberts.
Epstein is said to have obtained the deal via ‘significant social and political connections.’ He was a friend of Bill Clinton, whose wife, Hillary, is considering running for the presidency in 2016.
Prince Andrew and Clinton are said to have helped Epstein in his discussions with prosecutors.
read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/debate/article-2896597/PETER-MCKAY-scandal-s-far-sex.html
exactly  :angry:

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The hidden cameras
Miss Roberts claims she was ordered by Epstein to have sex with rich and powerful friends so he could blackmail them or exert pressure on them afterwards.
Court documents filed in Florida also state that photographs of Miss Roberts and other victims of Epstein “were taken with hidden cameras set up in his home in Palm Beach.
“On the day of his arrest, police found two hidden cameras and photographs of underage girls on a computer in the defendant’s home.”
The Duke of York is said to have visited the Palm Beach residence and enjoyed daily massages from young women when he was a guest of Epstein.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/theroyalfamily/11324606/Prince-Andrew-prepares-for-grim-year-ahead-as-sex-abuse-claims-refuse-to-go-away.html
I seem to be reading an episode of law & order SVU   :o

again .... I hope the victims find justice, and peace.


Title: Re: Andrew's Scandal - Update: named in 'underage sex slave' lawsuit filed in U.S. court
Post by: cate1949 on January 05, 2015, 07:44:10 am
this just gets more nauseating - we need a total investigation into this whole affair - the subversion of justice for these girls - the harassment of the prosecution - what this guy got away with is just amazing

these are articles from an journalists investigation of the whole mess - note that after he got out of so called "jail" Epstein threw a party for Andrew


http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2010/07/20/jeffrey-epstein-billionaire-alleged pedophile-goes-free.html


http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2011/03/25/jeffrey-epstein-how-the-billionaire-alleged pedophile-got-off-easy.html[url]] (http://[/url)


http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2011/03/25/jeffrey-epstein-how-the-billionaire-alleged pedophile-got-off-easy.htmlhttp://

http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2010/07/22/jeffrey-epstein-alleged pedophile-billionaire-and-his-sex-den.htmlhttp://


Title: Re: Andrew's Scandal - Update: named in 'underage sex slave' lawsuit filed in U.S. court
Post by: Val on January 05, 2015, 07:47:02 am
Copies of the films taken by the hidden cameras are allegedly already circulating and could be the downfall of PA.   What better ammunition for Epstein to hold if its true he filmed for blackmailing purposes?  How can BP 'categorically deny the allegations against PA' - they weren't there and only have his word!!!


Title: Re: Andrew's Scandal - Update: named in 'underage sex slave' lawsuit filed in U.S. court
Post by: Fly on the wall on January 05, 2015, 04:10:37 pm
The Queen was NOT introduced to Prince Andrew’s 'sex slave': Palace vehemently denies Virginia Roberts' father's claim she met Queen while on trip to London with alleged paedophile Jeffrey Epstein
The Queen has today emphatically denied she met the woman who claims she was forced to have sex with Prince Andrew while under-age.

Buckingham Palace responded after Virginia Roberts' father Sky, 58, said his daughter was introduced to Her Majesty while visiting London with alleged paedophile billionaire financier Jeffrey Epstein.

Mr Roberts said: ‘Virginia told me a few years back that she met Prince Andrew when she went to London and she also said while they were there she met the Queen … [Virginia] had been flown to London by Jeffrey. He would fly her all over the world and she would give him massages on his private jet.’

The claim of a meeting with the Queen has not been made by Miss Roberts herself. A Palace spokesman said: ‘There is nothing to suggest that this claim is true. We have no record of such a meeting.’  
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2896075/Prince-Andrew-flies-skiing-holiday-tell-Queen-s-innocent-underage-sex-allegations-does-immunity-deal-government.html

How 'Team Andrew' consoled Prince in luxury 22-room hideaway: Duke closeted with ex-wife Fergie, Harry's former lover Cressida Bonas, his daughter Eugenie and her bar manager boyfriend Jack when scandal broke

Prince Andrew was tucked away with his closest friends and family in an opulent £22,000-a-week Swiss chalet when the sex scandal broke.

The Queen's son heard news of the serious challenge to his reputation while staying in the exclusive ski resort of Verbier with his former wife Sarah Ferguson and their younger daughter Eugenie.

Prince Harry’s ex-girlfriend Cressida Bonas, a close friend of Eugenie, and Eugenie's boyfriend, nightclub boss, Jack Brooksbank were also staying with the family.

Located in one of the most exclusive and remote parts of Verbier, the chalet boasts seven bedrooms, its own heated indoor swimming pool with an opulent entertaining area and a sauna.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2896994/The-remote-holiday-home-Prince-Andrew-staying.html

 
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Richard Palmer @RoyalReporter  ·  10h 10 hours ago
If Andrew was a politician, he'd be dead meat now. He faces so many questions about his conduct, is it time for a form of public inquiry?
Britain's royals seem determined to carry on as normal but it's difficult to see a taxpayer-funded future for @TheDukeOfYork at the moment.


Title: Re: Andrew's Scandal - Update: named in 'underage sex slave' lawsuit filed in U.S. court
Post by: Kuei Fei on January 05, 2015, 04:29:01 pm
Yes, sure, and I'm the Easter bunny.

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We have no record of such a meeting.’

Of course not, if it's unofficial and of course, the protection officers don't note the meeting down via royal order.

Prince Andrew the 'Playboy Prince': Every woman the Duke has ever been linked to ... including 'lesbian porn film' star Koo Stark, Courtney Love and a Playboy model
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/femail/article-2896968/Prince-Andrew-s-colourful-romantic-past-revealed.html#ixzz3NxtlGRaV

Copies of the films taken by the hidden cameras are allegedly already circulating and could be the downfall of PA.   What better ammunition for Epstein to hold if its true he filmed for blackmailing purposes?  How can BP 'categorically deny the allegations against PA' - they weren't there and only have his word!!!

I think BP is about to end up having huge egg on their face over this. It's not like they can constantly deny if they end up being exposed as liars yet again.


Title: Re: Andrew's Scandal - Update: named in 'underage sex slave' lawsuit filed in U.S. court
Post by: Stephanie on January 05, 2015, 05:04:02 pm
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2896986/Prince-Andrew-s-sex-slave-nightmare-deepens-Duke-faces-fresh-wave-lurid-claims-sex-underage-girl-Virginia-Roberts-plans-tell-memoir-alleged-trysts-home-alleged paedophile-Jeffrey-Epstein.html

t was reported this morning that Prince Andrew is likely to speak to the Queen over the phone today as she remains at her country retreat of Sandringham, Norfolk.

No running home to mommy !




Title: Re: Andrew's Scandal - Update: named in 'underage sex slave' lawsuit filed in U.S. court
Post by: Kuei Fei on January 05, 2015, 05:20:23 pm
How silly that they make this sound like Andrew has been a victim of a deranged woman, when he's not someone who is in a situation to decide much of anything anymore. He's so obviously making himself out to be a martyr and I sincerely hope his trade role and public life are in fact yanked from him.


Title: Re: Andrew's Scandal - Update: named in 'underage sex slave' lawsuit filed in U.S. court
Post by: Snowdrop on January 05, 2015, 05:40:04 pm

The Queen has today emphatically denied she met the woman who claims she was forced to have sex with Prince Andrew while under-age.


I wonder if ER is having another memory lapse like she did during the Burrell court case -  very conveniently remembered something at the 11th hours which meant the court case was halted?  


Title: Re: Andrew's Scandal - Update: named in 'underage sex slave' lawsuit filed in U.S. court
Post by: Kuei Fei on January 05, 2015, 06:26:26 pm
Nothing will halt any court case in the US.

Since a book is being released, I'm certain that this will end up making this into even more of an issue. It'll spread and there will be demands for justice.


Title: Re: Andrew's Scandal - Update: named in 'underage sex slave' lawsuit filed in U.S. court
Post by: YooperModerator on January 05, 2015, 06:30:42 pm
I see that scumbag Alan Dershowitz is also accused.  There are a lot of people in the judicial areas that would love to drag him into open court after the OJ and Von Bulow.  I wouldn't be shocked to see Andrew caught up in the flow. 


Just curious but why do you think he's a scumbag?

P.S I have no background in law so I only know he's a lawyer.


Look him up sometime.  He's a blowhard who will shill for anything or anybody.  He backed OJ Simpson, for instance, yapped about it on CNN forEVER and did major damage to the whole case - he wasn't alone in that.  He's an attention wh#re and completely unprofessional in many instances.  Claus von Bulow is another case that comes to mind.  The desperate-wealthy go to Dershowitz but that would not keep him from dragging anybody else down that would hurt him in any way.  Just my .02 of course.


Title: Re: Andrew's Scandal - Update: named in 'underage sex slave' lawsuit filed in U.S. court
Post by: Fly on the wall on January 05, 2015, 06:32:49 pm
Is this story picking up in US legit news outlets.


Title: Re: Andrew's Scandal - Update: named in 'underage sex slave' lawsuit filed in U.S. court
Post by: Emperor on January 05, 2015, 06:38:24 pm
The RF are so hypocritical. Diana was advised to not align herself with AIDS charities yet Andrew can befriend a despicable man who pimps out under age girls.



When did this happen? Any links  :bat: :bat: :bat: :bat: bignono bignono bignono bignono


Title: Re: Andrew's Scandal - Update: named in 'underage sex slave' lawsuit filed in U.S. court
Post by: Stephanie on January 05, 2015, 06:49:25 pm
http://blogs.spectator.co.uk/steerpike/2015/01/exclusive-prince-andrew-will-not-host-government-reception-in-switzerland/
Gee, maybe it isn't such a good idea to let an alleged child rapist and staunch supporter of a convicted sex offender represent the UK government. :wopedo:


Title: Re: Sarah, Duchess of York: News and Pictures
Post by: windsor2 on January 05, 2015, 06:49:52 pm
'Andrew is a great man, the best in the world': Fergie comes out fighting for her prince on slopes as she says York family 'is a tight unit' and will back duke to the hilt over claims he slept with 'underage sex slave'
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‘He is the greatest man there is. It was the finest moment of my life in 1986 when I married him. He is a great man, the best man in the world.’

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2896986/Prince-Andrew-s-sex-slave-nightmare-deepens-Duke-faces-fresh-wave-lurid-claims-sex-underage-girl-Virginia-Roberts-plans-tell-memoir-alleged-trysts-home-alleged paedophile-Jeffrey-Epstein.html
 She's still at that expensive resort that she can't pay for. She needs her connection to the royal family to make money off endorsing nonsense in America. I think she should keep her mouth shut. I'm sure Andrew's advisors have called her to tell her to zip it.


Title: Re: Sarah, Duchess of York: News and Pictures
Post by: Val on January 05, 2015, 06:52:45 pm
Just announced on TV that Fergie is coming out in Prince Andrew's defence saying 'he is the greatest man in the world'!!  She is such a flakey m-- and can see her meal ticket disappearing fast.


Title: Re: Andrew's Scandal - Update: named in 'underage sex slave' lawsuit filed in U.S. court
Post by: Val on January 05, 2015, 06:56:18 pm
The expressions on his face just shout guilty according to some.


Title: Re: Andrew's Scandal - Update: named in 'underage sex slave' lawsuit filed in U.S. court
Post by: Stephanie on January 05, 2015, 07:01:25 pm
Alleged Child Molester Andrew wants to gag the press. bignono
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/theroyalfamily/11324503/Prince-Andrew-could-face-investigation-over-Virginia-Roberts-sex-abuse-claims.html

On Saturday the Duke instructed his lawyers, Harbottle & Lewis, to write to media organisations reminding them of his denials and urging caution in reporting Miss Roberts’s claims. :ick:

Harbotte and Lewis appear to have a lot of expertise in defending celebrity pedophiles like Rolf Harris and no the alleged Prince alleged pedo.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2675826/How-Rolfs-bullying-lawyers-cited-Leveson-inquiry-hide-arrest-four-months-nearly-jeopardised-conviction.html


Title: Re: Sarah, Duchess of York: News and Pictures
Post by: Fly on the wall on January 05, 2015, 07:16:04 pm
TELEGRAPH has the story too

The Duchess of York has paid a glowing tribute to her ex-husband Prince Andrew as he shut up shop over questions about claims that he “sexually abused” a 17-year-old.
Speaking for the first time since the allegations agaisnt the Duke surfaced, the Duchess, who was divorced from the Duke in 1996 but still shares a home with him, described him as "the best man in the world".

The Duke flew home from a skiing holiday with the Duchess and their daughter Princess Eugenie on Sunday, and has spent the day speaking to lawyers and his closest aides about what his next move should be.

Having issued three denials of the sex abuse claims last week, the Duke’s advisers have told him to remain silent from now on, and Buckingham Palace refused to answer more questions about the claims made by American Virginia Roberts.

The Duchess, 55, has remained in Verbier in the Swiss Alps, where she gave her ex-husband her unequivocal support as she headed off for a mountain walk today.
 Asked if she was sticking by her ex-husband, she told reporters:
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“The York family is a tight unit. We’ve always been a tight unit.
"He is the greatest man there is. It was the finest moment of my life in 1986 when I married him. He is a great man, the best in the world.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/theroyalfamily/11326397/Duchess-of-York-pays-glowing-tribute-to-Prince-Andrew-and-gives-her-full-support.html

Stand by your man


Title: Re: Sarah, Duchess of York: News and Pictures
Post by: Kuei Fei on January 05, 2015, 08:05:27 pm
'Andrew is a great man, the best in the world': Fergie comes out fighting for her prince on slopes as she says York family 'is a tight unit' and will back duke to the hilt over claims he slept with 'underage sex slave'
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‘He is the greatest man there is. It was the finest moment of my life in 1986 when I married him. He is a great man, the best man in the world.’
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2896986/Prince-Andrew-s-sex-slave-nightmare-deepens-Duke-faces-fresh-wave-lurid-claims-sex-underage-girl-Virginia-Roberts-plans-tell-memoir-alleged-trysts-home-alleged paedophile-Jeffrey-Epstein.html
 She's still at that expensive resort that she can't pay for. She needs her connection to the royal family to make money off endorsing nonsense in America. I think she should keep her mouth shut. I'm sure Andrew's advisors have called her to tell her to zip it.

I'm glad she's coming out, more fool her and I don't care if it makes things worse for Andrew. They stupidly kept her on.


Title: Re: Andrew's Scandal - Update: named in 'underage sex slave' lawsuit filed in U.S. court
Post by: Kuei Fei on January 05, 2015, 08:07:05 pm
Yes, gagging the press will make it ALL go away.

Prince Andrew’s ‘sex slave’ Virginia Roberts ‘is writing a tell-all memoir about their alleged trysts at home of US billionaire Jeffrey Epstein’

    Virginia Roberts writing a tell-all book about Prince Andrew allegations
    Woman claims she had sex three times with Duke of York when under-age
    He slept with her in New York, London and Caribbean, court papers claim
    Duke of York accused of abusing girl 'procured' for him by Jeffrey Epstein
    Prince Andrew is back in UK and will hold crisis talks at Windsor mansion
    Also expected to speak to his mother to reassure her claims are untrue
    Prince has spent week skiing based at a £22,000-a-week Swiss chalet
    Ex-wife Sarah, daughter Eugenie and Harry's-ex Cressida Bonas were there
    Allegations robustly denied by Buckingham Palace in three statements
    Claims by woman's father she met the Queen also categorically denied


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The 'slave' who claims she had sex with Prince Andrew while under-age is writing a book that threatens to go into forensic detail about her alleged involvement with the Duke of York, MailOnline can reveal today.   

She also plans to name American politicians, business executives, foreign presidents and a well-known Prime Minister she claims Jeffrey Epstein forced her to sleep with.

MailOnline understands that Miss Roberts, whose father has retracted claims she met the Queen, could publish the book this year, which means the scandal shows no sign of abating for the royal family.

Miss Roberts was pictured outside a home in Denver, Colorado yesterday, where she is understood to have retreated to be with her husband, Robert, mother and stepfather.

Meanwhile, Buckingham Palace is said to have conceded the furore 'isn't going to go away'. Prince Andrew is expected to hold crisis talks with the Queen today as he returned to Britain after a luxury holiday with his ex-wife Sarah Ferguson and daughter Eugenie.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2897615/Prince-Andrew-s-sex-slave-Virginia-Roberts-writing-tell-memoir.html#ixzz3NylhIOy7

Good; I look forward to the book and by keeping herself visible she's keeping herself safe. I'm glad and it's about time crimes like these are no longer treated as dirty little secrets. Thank God she's no longer intimidated and no longer feeling like she has to keep quiet or 'know her place.' Now the US will know what our elites are up to and I do wonder how this will affect UK/US relations. No way will this be shrugged off easily and I'm glad that freeloading pig is exposed for who he is.


Title: Re: Sarah, Duchess of York: News and Pictures
Post by: cate1949 on January 05, 2015, 08:54:52 pm
the "best man in the world" at the very least went to pool parties with naked teenage girls all about - received massages from teenage girls - was best friends with a man who had three 12 year olds imported from France as a birthday present to himself (Epstein) a man who used his wealth and power to subvert the American Justice System (thanks again Bush) and allowed a convicted alleged pedophile to host a party in his honor (Andrew's honor) immediately after he got out of jail.   Fergie is a *fool* and a user which is part of why Andrew is such a mess.  She should shut up - given that Andrew allowed Epstein to pay off some of Fergie's never ending debts   she is to put it mildly - not a disinterested party to this scandal.

I do think Andrew is a tragic figure - not an innocent one - but tragic.  I'd bet some of the motivation behind his activities has been his sense of obligation to help Fergie and promote his daughters.  Now might be a good time for Fergie to face some truths about her own role in bringing Andrew down.

Some humility from these people would go a long way.  Some compassion for the wrecked lives of these unfortunate women would not hurt.  And most of all an acknowledgment of how wrong it was to maintain a relationship with Epstein.  Andrew's reputation will never recover from this and it shouldn't.  But he could redeem himself somewhat if he simply acknowledged how wrong he was to have done the things we know to be facts - not allegations -  but facts about his relationship with the sleaze Epstein.  The last thing that will help him is anything said by the user Fergie - that woman is a joke and no one believes her.


Title: Re: Sarah, Duchess of York: News and Pictures
Post by: Kuei Fei on January 05, 2015, 09:15:08 pm
Fergie is a broken woman, has been since her early years, before she married Andrew something went wrong with her and it won't change.

She hasn't grown up like everyone else and has refused to stop burdening her husband with her debts and her problems.

Andrew had better start fessing up what he knows and unload his ex-wife whether he likes it or not. If his daughters are upset, let them weep and throw tantrums, but he has to do what is good for him.


Title: Re: Sarah, Duchess of York: News and Pictures
Post by: Rosella on January 05, 2015, 09:33:05 pm
the "best man in the world" at the very least went to pool parties with naked teenage girls all about - received massages from teenage girls - was best friends with a man who had three 12 year olds imported from France as a birthday present to himself (Epstein) a man who used his wealth and power to subvert the American Justice System (thanks again Bush) and allowed a convicted alleged pedophile to host a party in his honor (Andrew's honor) immediately after he got out of jail.   Fergie is a *fool* and a user which is part of why Andrew is such a mess.  She should shut up - given that Andrew allowed Epstein to pay off some of Fergie's never ending debts   she is to put it mildly - not a disinterested party to this scandal.

I do think Andrew is a tragic figure - not an innocent one - but tragic.  I'd bet some of the motivation behind his activities has been his sense of obligation to help Fergie and promote his daughters.  Now might be a good time for Fergie to face some truths about her own role in bringing Andrew down.

Some humility from these people would go a long way.  Some compassion for the wrecked lives of these unfortunate women would not hurt.  And most of all an acknowledgment of how wrong it was to maintain a relationship with Epstein.  Andrew's reputation will never recover from this and it shouldn't.  But he could redeem himself somewhat if he simply acknowledged how wrong he was to have done the things we know to be facts - not allegations -  but facts about his relationship with the sleaze Epstein.  The last thing that will help him is anything said by the user Fergie - that woman is a joke and no one believes her.

I agree completely, Cate. I knew, as soon as this broke in the media, that very soon we would hear from Fergie, projecting  herself onto centre stage once more, or trying to! She just can't help herself! The same old scenario, Oh I messed up, it's me that's responsible for This Mess, me, me. Along with the mea culpa are always ravings about how much she admires Andrew (or the Queen) how she has learned her lesson, will pay back the money etc etc.

People (in Britain anyway) just roll their eyes whenever she appears. She has about as much credibility as a melting ice cream. As for Andrew his reputation in Britain has been minus zero for years. Far too much baggage, if it had been any other member of the royal family there would have been genuine surprise among the British public, but not Andrew. Both of them should just disappear from public view after this is over, for good, hopefully.


Title: Re: Andrew's Scandal - Update: named in 'underage sex slave' lawsuit filed in U.S. court
Post by: Ariel on January 05, 2015, 09:50:25 pm
OMG this book will be a blockbuster. if it's written in the style of 50shades of gray - this would be the best seller of all times. i love her strategy though- even if the civil suit doesn't hold in court - she'll ruin Andrew's life just like he ruined hers. ... and  I hope next time he goes to church it will not be to show his pretty coat and how much better he thinks he is but to say a prayer. and ask for forgiveness 


Title: Re: Andrew's Scandal - Update: named in 'underage sex slave' lawsuit filed in U.S. court
Post by: Kuei Fei on January 05, 2015, 09:53:25 pm
Thing is, if he were innocent, like any innocent man, he would go to the police or press and spill it all out as much as he can. If he interfered on behalf of a alleged pedophile, it tells me everything. He wouldn't be trying to smother it and wouldn't be keeping quiet. The innocent don't hide stuff. They would cooperate and wouldn't have a lawyer with experience in defending pedophiles, they would have someone else. They would be upfront and since he's a public figure, that is how public figures defend themselves.


Title: Re: Andrew's Scandal - Update: named in 'underage sex slave' lawsuit filed in U.S. court
Post by: HRH Tiana of NOLA on January 05, 2015, 09:55:37 pm

 
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Richard Palmer @RoyalReporter  ·  10h 10 hours ago
If Andrew was a politician, he'd be dead meat now. He faces so many questions about his conduct, is it time for a form of public inquiry?
Britain's royals seem determined to carry on as normal but it's difficult to see a taxpayer-funded future for @TheDukeOfYork at the moment.


And if a taxpayer-funded future is hard to see for this one, it's only a matter of time before the purpose of the rest of them (with the exception of ER) is questioned also.


Title: Re: Andrew's Scandal - Update: named in 'underage sex slave' lawsuit filed in U.S. court
Post by: Stephanie on January 05, 2015, 10:03:20 pm
He has been hanging around with a child molester for at least fifteen years-more victims IMO will come forward and I hope Virginia Roberts files a complaint so that Scotland Yard can investigate.


Title: Re: Andrew's Scandal - Update: named in 'underage sex slave' lawsuit filed in U.S. court
Post by: Kuei Fei on January 05, 2015, 10:56:53 pm
I'm amazed at how the DM is covering this so extensively. They aren't holding back at all anymore.

Pictured for the first time since 'sex slave' scandal broke: Robert Maxwell's daughter, Ghislaine, accused of 'facilitating Prince Andrew's acts of abuse'

Ghislaine Maxwell stands accused of 'procuring' girls for Jeffrey Epstein
She is described in court papers as his 'co-conspirator' in 'sexual abuse'
Accused of 'facilitating Prince Andrew's abuse by acting as a madame'
'Sex slave' Virginia Roberts claims she met the royal at Maxwell's home
Miss Maxwell has previously denied any involvement with Epstein's crimes


Ghislaine Maxwell, the woman accused of 'facilitating Prince Andrew's acts of sexual abuse', has been seen in public for the first time since the 'sex slave' scandal broke.

Dressed in a long grey coat and sunglasses, the 53-year-old looked sombre as she left her home in New York City and made her way to a nearby office building.

She stands accused of procuring young girls for the sexual gratification of billionaire alleged paedophile Jeffrey Epstein and his ‘friends’.


http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2897753/Ghislaine-Maxwell-woman-accused-facilitating-Prince-Andrew-s-acts-abuse.html#ixzz3NzTYdI7L

Monstrous woman; I bet you anything that she's going to be under a microscope.


Title: Re: Andrew's Scandal - Update: named in 'underage sex slave' lawsuit filed in U.S. court
Post by: YooperModerator on January 05, 2015, 11:04:52 pm
Is this story picking up in US legit news outlets.

Yes.  From Time and NYDailyNews to the Washington Post and tv media outlets, CNN, ABC, and so on. It's Main Page now.


Title: Re: Andrew's Scandal - Update: named in 'underage sex slave' lawsuit filed in U.S. court
Post by: Emperor on January 05, 2015, 11:11:29 pm
Monstrous woman; I bet you anything that she's going to be under a microscope.


 :ick: :ick:

What did you expect for the daughter of a mini-Madoff (Robert Maxwell).
Seriously she looks worse than Ma Midds.


Title: Re: Andrew's Scandal - Update: named in 'underage sex slave' lawsuit filed in U.S. court
Post by: cate1949 on January 05, 2015, 11:38:07 pm
It was the woman's father who made that claim - so either he got confused or his daughter let him believe that such had occurred.  The woman has not claimed to have met the Queen.


Title: Re: Andrew's Scandal - Update: named in 'underage sex slave' lawsuit filed in U.S. court
Post by: windsor2 on January 05, 2015, 11:54:20 pm
The girls silenced by Andrew's friend the sex abuser: As Fergie leaps to defend the Duke, new shock in US court papers
Ten questions the Palace MUST answer
Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2897963/The-girls-silenced-Andrew-s-friend-sex-abuser-Fergie-leaps-defend-Duke-new-shock-court-papers.html#ixzz3NzgS3GU8
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Title: Re: Andrew's Scandal - Update: named in 'underage sex slave' lawsuit filed in U.S. court
Post by: YooperModerator on January 06, 2015, 12:05:22 am
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5 Jeffrey Epstein’s former handyman Juan Alessi alleges that Prince Andrew attended naked swimming pool parties at the billionaire’s Florida mansion in the early 2000s and was treated to regular massages by a harem of adolescent girls there.

Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2897963/The-girls-silenced-Andrew-s-friend-sex-abuser-Fergie-leaps-defend-Duke-new-shock-court-papers.html#ixzz3Nzknil1A
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Never underestimate the hired help.  NEVER.


Title: Re: Andrew's Scandal - Update: named in 'underage sex slave' lawsuit filed in U.S. court
Post by: danifaul on January 06, 2015, 12:47:25 am
Happy   :thumbsup: that the journalist Guy Adams continues.

remember:
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@guyadams  2 de jan
@oliverburkeman Ah, but I am rendered cynical by their cynical efforts to supress my piece earlier this year (aided by Harbottle & Lewis)
1- about Ms Roberts say
2- about Ms Roberts
3- about Ms Roberts
4- about Ms Roberts
5-  But did the Prince indeed ever stay at Epstein’s Florida home? If so, why? Did he share its swimming pool with naked young women? Did he ever receive massages from young women there?
6-Despite the scrutiny it attracted, the Palace has never explained the exact nature of Prince Andrew’s relationship with Epstein.
Were they purely social acquaintances? Or did they ever have wider business or financial links? Did the Prince have any idea of his criminal behaviour?
7- In response, you have said that ‘the Duke would never interfere in an active legal case and did not do so in this case’.
But while he may not have ‘interfered’, did he discuss Epstein, formally or informally, with any person connected with the U.S. government, or U.S. authorities, during the period from 2005-2008 when his friend was under investigation?
8-Official records show that Andrew also met with Sir David Manning, the then UK ambassador to Washington, in September 2006, and also with the then Foreign Office minister Kim Howells in July 2005.
Was Jeffrey Epstein’s case discussed at any of those meetings? And did the Prince raise his case, formally or informally, with any person connected to the British government?
9- After this was revealed by the Press in 2011, Ms Ferguson admitted that accepting the money had been ‘a gigantic error of judgment’.
Was Prince Andrew aware of this gift? Did he help solicit it? And has the tainted money since been returned to Epstein?
10- Why did the Prince choose to continue his personal relationship with Epstein — by then a convicted alleged paedophile — at this time? How many meetings did he have with Epstein following his conviction? And when did he last speak or meet with him?
good questions and important
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2897963/The-girls-silenced-Andrew-s-friend-sex-abuser-Fergie-leaps-defend-Duke-new-shock-court-papers.html#ixzz3Nzq9AVPa


Title: Re: Andrew's Scandal - Update: named in 'underage sex slave' lawsuit filed in U.S. court
Post by: cate1949 on January 06, 2015, 01:55:05 am
yup - important questions some answered

1.Ms. Roberts appears to have led a respectable quiet life as a typical wife and mother of three kids in AUS since leaving Epstein

5.  The above mentioned Juan Alessi has testified Andy was at the FLA home and he was seen there by others.  Alessi also testified that Andrew was present at pool parties with many naked adolescent women.  The maid and Alessi testified Andy received daily massages.
6.  The Prince attended a party held in his honor and hosted by Epstein at Epsteins Manhattan home immediately after Epstein was released from jail.

8.  The ministers involved claim the records are wrong and they did not meet with Andy or that Epstein was not discussed.
9.  A spokesperson for Fergie was asked yesterday (?) if the money was returned - they replied - "no comment".  There is a belief Fergie got much more than the 15,000 pounds.  It is not known if Andy was aware of the gift although he met with Epstein shortly before she received the money.
10.  That is a very good question - his spokespersons have said - after Andrew was photographed walking in Central Park with Epstein - that the Prince would never be photographed with Epstein again - they did not say he would not see Epstein.  So no one knows if Andrew has in fact seen Epstein since that  2010 photo.  The claim is made Andy maintained his relationship with Epstein because he is a very loyal guy.  Furthermore - he feels indebted to Epstein because Epstein is the person who persuaded Andrew to wear jeans - it is claimed until then Andrew never wore jeans.  Andrew's spokesperson also said that Epstein was the person who helped Andrew learn how to relax.


more questions:

1. did Epstein manage any of Andrew's investments?
2. did Andrew reimburse Epstein for flights taken on Epstein's private plane?
3.  Who funded the private plane which took Harry to the Pelly's Miami bachelor party?
4.  Did Epstein benefit financially from any knowledge Andrew had as UK Trade Ambassador?


Title: Re: Andrew's Scandal - Update: named in 'underage sex slave' lawsuit filed in U.S. court
Post by: LadyLaura on January 06, 2015, 02:20:24 am
Andrew is done. I have no doubt of his guilt, but this is coming out now for a reason. Someone wants him destroyed.


Title: Re: Andrew's Scandal - Update: named in 'underage sex slave' lawsuit filed in U.S. court
Post by: Rosella on January 06, 2015, 04:52:15 am
yup - important questions some answered

1.Ms. Roberts appears to have led a respectable quiet life as a typical wife and mother of three kids in AUS since leaving Epstein

5.  The above mentioned Juan Alessi has testified Andy was at the FLA home and he was seen there by others.  Alessi also testified that Andrew was present at pool parties with many naked adolescent women.  The maid and Alessi testified Andy received daily massages.
6.  The Prince attended a party held in his honor and hosted by Epstein at Epsteins Manhattan home immediately after Epstein was released from jail.

8.  The ministers involved claim the records are wrong and they did not meet with Andy or that Epstein was not discussed.
9.  A spokesperson for Fergie was asked yesterday (?) if the money was returned - they replied - "no comment".  There is a belief Fergie got much more than the 15,000 pounds.  It is not known if Andy was aware of the gift although he met with Epstein shortly before she received the money.
10.  That is a very good question - his spokespersons have said - after Andrew was photographed walking in Central Park with Epstein - that the Prince would never be photographed with Epstein again - they did not say he would not see Epstein.  So no one knows if Andrew has in fact seen Epstein since that  2010 photo.  The claim is made Andy maintained his relationship with Epstein because he is a very loyal guy.  Furthermore - he feels indebted to Epstein because Epstein is the person who persuaded Andrew to wear jeans - it is claimed until then Andrew never wore jeans.  Andrew's spokesperson also said that Epstein was the person who helped Andrew learn how to relax.


more questions:

1. did Epstein manage any of Andrew's investments?
2. did Andrew reimburse Epstein for flights taken on Epstein's private plane?
3.  Who funded the private plane which took Harry to the Pelly's Miami bachelor party?
4.  Did Epstein benefit financially from any knowledge Andrew had as UK Trade Ambassador?


I don't know about the other answers to your questions but the Daily Fail at the time of the Pelly weeding reported that Lizzy Wilson (and presumably her family, the Holiday Inn heirs) placed a private plane at the disposal of Harry and whoever else of Guy's friends who had need of it. I can remember thinking at the time about Guy winning the jackpot in a financial sense with his choice of bride.


Title: Re: Andrew's Scandal - Update: named in 'underage sex slave' lawsuit filed in U.S. court
Post by: terrajoule on January 06, 2015, 05:02:45 am
"Known by the company you keep". Smarmy lot.  :ick:


Title: Re: Andrew's Scandal - Update: named in 'underage sex slave' lawsuit filed in U.S. court
Post by: cate1949 on January 06, 2015, 05:06:23 am
^^ I am glad to read that Rosella - that it was to Miami - which is close to Epstein's home - made me suspicious.


Title: Re: Andrew's Scandal - Update: named in 'underage sex slave' lawsuit filed in U.S. court
Post by: Freya on January 06, 2015, 05:23:30 am
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5 Jeffrey Epstein’s former handyman Juan Alessi alleges that Prince Andrew attended naked swimming pool parties at the billionaire’s Florida mansion in the early 2000s and was treated to regular massages by a harem of adolescent girls there.

Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2897963/The-girls-silenced-Andrew-s-friend-sex-abuser-Fergie-leaps-defend-Duke-new-shock-court-papers.html#ixzz3Nzknil1A
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Never underestimate the hired help.  NEVER.

Slightly off topic your comment reminded me of a programme that I saw recently about Catherine the Great. Apparently she had specially designed tables which connected to a pully system and the guests ordered directly from the kitchen. This meant that there was never any servants in the room to see or hear what was going on.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=SXuNo7ci5E4


Title: Re: Andrew's Scandal - Update: named in 'underage sex slave' lawsuit filed in U.S. court
Post by: Kuei Fei on January 06, 2015, 06:28:10 am
Yeah, I remember that. It helped the guests and attendant courtiers speak far more freely.

Andrew is done. I have no doubt of his guilt, but this is coming out now for a reason. Someone wants him destroyed.

Yes; I do think lately the House of Windsor has taken an unusual amount of blows and I do admit that this coming out now, someone has it in for Andrew.


Title: Re: Andrew's Scandal - Update: named in 'underage sex slave' lawsuit filed in U.S. court
Post by: cate1949 on January 06, 2015, 08:51:31 am
I think the reason it is coming out now in the UK is because the brief identifying Andrew as one of the guys who slept with this particular woman was filed on 12/30 and the UK tabs have been keeping track - the brief would be a public document, they saw it, they published.

This lawsuit is not about Andrew - it is about some of the victims who are ticked off that Epstein got off so easy.  It is about influence peddling.    Andrew is peripheral damage.  The focus in the UK is on Andrew of course.

Now the UK tabloids may have it out for Andrew and they may therefore be playing this up.  But the lawsuit itself is  not about Andy and the lawsuit is an ongoing affair.

Wait til this gets to court.  Then it will really be big.


Title: Re: Andrew's Scandal - Update: named in 'underage sex slave' lawsuit filed in U.S. court
Post by: Stephanie on January 06, 2015, 09:35:33 am
 :wopedo:What a surprise!
Fergie introduced the alleged sex offender Andrew to Ghislaine Maxwell.
http://www.express.co.uk/life-style/life/550433/Ghislaine-Maxwell-Prince-Andrew-sex-abuse-scandal


Title: Re: Andrew's Scandal - Update: named in 'underage sex slave' lawsuit filed in U.S. court
Post by: kolkomilko on January 06, 2015, 10:30:44 am
I agree with LadyLaura, someone do wants him destroyed. But who? And why just know? And what about these „victim girls”? Where have they been until now? Did they have parents? So it is a complicated case with many questions. 


Title: Re: Andrew's Scandal - Update: named in 'underage sex slave' lawsuit filed in U.S. court
Post by: Rosella on January 06, 2015, 12:00:43 pm
I agree with LadyLaura, someone do wants him destroyed. But who? And why just know? And what about these „victim girls”? Where have they been until now? Did they have parents? So it is a complicated case with many questions. 

Andrew is a rude and boorish man who is not popular with the British public nor the media in Britain. His distinctly charmless manner has put a lot of people off over the years, including the staff at Windsor and BP. So the press haven't had much compunction about going after him, nor is he gaining much sympathy from anyone. Plus, with Fergie at your side sticking up for you, who needs enemies.


Title: Re: Andrew's Scandal - Update: named in 'underage sex slave' lawsuit filed in U.S. court
Post by: Val on January 06, 2015, 12:04:45 pm
Strong rumour circulating that he could blow the whistle on the Middletons/goldsmiths for their alleged drug smuggling, pimping, surrogacy, bogus heirs, money laundering etc etc.    Some  say the Mids know everything about PA having extracted it from the naive and vulnerable PW.  It's could be a tit for tat situation which even the palace say isn't going away and could get very nasty indeed.


Title: Re: Andrew's Scandal - Update: named in 'underage sex slave' lawsuit filed in U.S. court
Post by: Stephanie on January 06, 2015, 12:12:57 pm
^
Very likely indeed.
It could be a Manson warning what will happen to Wimpo/Chuck if they try to step out of line.


Title: Re: Andrew's Scandal - Update: named in 'underage sex slave' lawsuit filed in U.S. court
Post by: gingerboy24 on January 06, 2015, 12:47:27 pm
This might sound unrelated, and indeed you may well think so, and if that is the case mods please feel free to move it to whichever thread you deem to be appropriate.

I came across this, and thought it appropriate in the light of the current allegations re prince andrew.  It would appear that a penchant for the younger members of society is pretty rife in the rf, including Mountbatten and a possible reason, other than IRA, as to why he was killed by a bomb blast.

No idea if all this true, and I know a lot do not care for Chris Spivey or Greg Hallett, but they are generally very good researchers.  Only throwing it into the equation,  not saying if right or wrong.

Please be aware that, as ever, Mr. Spìvey´s wording can be very strong.

http://chrisspivey.org/who-murdered-mountbatten/





Title: Re: Andrew's Scandal - Update: named in 'underage sex slave' lawsuit filed in U.S. court
Post by: Freya on January 06, 2015, 01:38:00 pm
^
There is also the UK high ranking alleged paedophile ring that is under investigation at the moment. Jill Dando's murder still unsolved.


Title: Re: Andrew's Scandal - Update: named in 'underage sex slave' lawsuit filed in U.S. court
Post by: CarryingOn on January 06, 2015, 01:54:36 pm
The Middleton's would be stupid to try any such thing IMO. If the Monarchy goes down, they go down to but then they are a short sighted bunch, Kate shows us that everyday.

I just think this is all coming out due to Andrew being named and by a woman who was directly involved in the mess. Not to mention, so much is just coming out, it's a snowball/domino/cobra effect going on right now and it just can't be ignored. There's no brushing anything under the rug at this point.


Title: Re: Andrew's Scandal - Update: named in 'underage sex slave' lawsuit filed in U.S. court
Post by: Freya on January 06, 2015, 02:08:54 pm
^

I think that after the Savile/Harris cases that more women and men will make a stand against powerful, influential men that think that they are untouchable. Power to the little people.


Title: Re: Andrew's Scandal - Update: named in 'underage sex slave' lawsuit filed in U.S. court
Post by: Mandosiel on January 06, 2015, 02:19:47 pm
Wasn't Andrew the one who got molested by his nanny when he was young? That sometimes has a way of perverting the mentality of some in a way, not to mention possible family predilection for such things if rumours are to be believed.


Title: Re: Andrew's Scandal - Update: named in 'underage sex slave' lawsuit filed in U.S. court
Post by: Alexandrine on January 06, 2015, 02:55:59 pm
^^ source on that?


Title: Re: Andrew's Scandal - Update: named in 'underage sex slave' lawsuit filed in U.S. court
Post by: Miss Hathaway on January 06, 2015, 03:04:06 pm
Prince Andrew's alleged under-age sex slave told how the duke 'didn't act very royally' around her, an ex-boyfriend has claimed.
Anthony Figueroa claimed Virginia Roberts never said anything good about the Duke of York, adding that she felt pressure to sleep with him from alleged paedophile billionaire Jeffrey Epstein.
The barman, now 32, who dated Miss Roberts at the time, when she was 17, said: 'She said she was scared because she didn't know how angry Jeffrey would get.
'When it came to the Prince, I didn't hear anything good. She said he wasn't acting very royally.'
Anthony Figueroa, the ex-boyfriend of Virginia Roberts, the woman who alleges that she was Prince Andrew's sex slave, claims she never had a good word to say about the Duke
In an interview with The Sun, Mr Figueroa claimed Miss Roberts called him from a mansion suggesting that Epstein was pressuring her into having sex with Andrew.
He said: 'He (Epstein) was being really pushy. She asked "How do you feel about it?" And I was like "Well obviously you know how I feel about it".'
There is no suggestion Andrew was aware of any pressure being exerted on Miss Roberts.

Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2898522/Andrew-didn-t-act-royally-Ex-lover-Duke-s-sex-slave-claims-never-said-good-prince-felt-pressure-sleep-Epstein.html#ixzz3O3NxFmAA

Well, this is very odd.  This girl had a boyfriend whom she consulted about whether or not to have sex with the duke?   Then she wasn't held against her will -- she was free to come and go and live her own life?  Make her own decisions, if she was able to call her boyfriend to ask him who she should have sex with?

Is this guy going to be prosecuted for having sex with her when she was 17?          ???


Title: Re: Andrew's Scandal - Update: named in 'underage sex slave' lawsuit filed in U.S. court
Post by: Stephanie on January 06, 2015, 03:18:10 pm
http://radaronline.com

But according to Virginia, she was also summoned to Epstein’s Manhattan mansion in 2001 and told to escort Andrew to a dungeon-like room used for “erotic massages,” where they had sex on a massage table.

Her third and final sexual encounter with Andrew came during an orgy on a private Caribbean island, she said.

“Jeffrey directed us with hand gestures to start undressing and then we were instructed to start kissing and touching and to use (sex toys) on each other,” she recalled.

“Jeffrey and the Prince were laughing and then they stripped and I performed a sex act on Andrew.


The alleged child molester raping a minor in a dungeon.


Title: Re: Andrew's Scandal - Update: named in 'underage sex slave' lawsuit filed in U.S. court
Post by: AnaBolena on January 06, 2015, 03:20:59 pm
Something about this girl coming forward now doesn't sit right with me - and I don't know why.  I'm no PA fan, but for some reason I have a strange feeling that something is 'off'.


Title: Re: Andrew's Scandal - Update: named in 'underage sex slave' lawsuit filed in U.S. court
Post by: Fly on the wall on January 06, 2015, 03:29:44 pm
Revealed: Bill Clinton, Mick Jagger and Donald Trump were in black book of Prince Andrew’s sex abuser friend Jeffrey Epstein

Jeffrey Epstein,  the billionaire child abuser friend of Prince Andrew , cultivated an extraordinary range of contacts - from President Bill Clinton to Mick Jagger - it is revealed today.
Court documents obtained by MailOnline disclose how Epstein kept multiple phone numbers, email and home addresses for the great and the good on both sides of the Atlantic.
The document was presented as an exhibit as lawyers sought a court's permission to take evidence from Bill Clinton and his staff, for whom Epstein had 21 numbers, all under the name of his former advisor Doug Band.
Epstein also had multiple contact details for a string of celebrities, including the Rolling Stones frontman Sir Mick Jagger; Donald Trump's ex-wife Ivana and their daughter Ivanka; and a series of women recorded under 'massage' in the document, nicknamed 'The Holy Grail' by a former employee.
The contents of the document are disclosed by MailOnline as Prince Andrew, the Queen's second son, fights back against allegations that he had sex with Virginia Roberts - who claims she was kept by Epstein as a 'sex slave' - when she was a 17-year-old minor.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2897836/How-Prince-Andrew-s-sex-abuser-friend-Jeffrey-Epstein-kept-list-nicknamed-Holy-Grail-great-good-Bill-Clinton-Tony-Blair-Mick-Jagger-Donald-Trump.html


Title: Re: Andrew's Scandal - Update: named in 'underage sex slave' lawsuit filed in U.S. court
Post by: Stephanie on January 06, 2015, 03:56:21 pm
http://edition.cnn.com/2015/01/06/europe/prince-andrew-sex-abuse-allegations/
The alleged child abuser is not taking legal action; he IMO knows that all of this is true.


Title: Re: Andrew's Scandal - Update: named in 'underage sex slave' lawsuit filed in U.S. court
Post by: Kuei Fei on January 06, 2015, 04:07:57 pm
If anyone named ends up coming forward offering other names or refusing to resist, we'll know they're guilty. So far, no one is coming forward and hotly denying anything.

Prince Andrew's alleged under-age sex slave told how the duke 'didn't act very royally' around her, an ex-boyfriend has claimed.
Anthony Figueroa claimed Virginia Roberts never said anything good about the Duke of York, adding that she felt pressure to sleep with him from alleged paedophile billionaire Jeffrey Epstein.
The barman, now 32, who dated Miss Roberts at the time, when she was 17, said: 'She said she was scared because she didn't know how angry Jeffrey would get.
'When it came to the Prince, I didn't hear anything good. She said he wasn't acting very royally.'
Anthony Figueroa, the ex-boyfriend of Virginia Roberts, the woman who alleges that she was Prince Andrew's sex slave, claims she never had a good word to say about the Duke
In an interview with The Sun, Mr Figueroa claimed Miss Roberts called him from a mansion suggesting that Epstein was pressuring her into having sex with Andrew.
He said: 'He (Epstein) was being really pushy. She asked "How do you feel about it?" And I was like "Well obviously you know how I feel about it".'
There is no suggestion Andrew was aware of any pressure being exerted on Miss Roberts.

Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2898522/Andrew-didn-t-act-royally-Ex-lover-Duke-s-sex-slave-claims-never-said-good-prince-felt-pressure-sleep-Epstein.html#ixzz3O3NxFmAA

Well, this is very odd.  This girl had a boyfriend whom she consulted about whether or not to have sex with the duke?   Then she wasn't held against her will -- she was free to come and go and live her own life?  Make her own decisions, if she was able to call her boyfriend to ask him who she should have sex with?

Is this guy going to be prosecuted for having sex with her when she was 17?          ???

You have to understand, she's been brainwashed and conditioned. She was conditioned to accept this as normal and appropriate.

Revealed: Bill Clinton, Mick Jagger and Donald Trump were in black book of Prince Andrew's sex abuser friend Jeffrey Epstein

    Court document reveals pages and pages of telephone numbers, home addresses and emails held by Epstein - including The Queen's residences
    Address book includes string of other politicians - among them Kennedys, former Israeli PM Ehud Olmert and ex-new York mayor Michael Bloomberg
    Epstein's former employee Alfredo Rodriguez discovered book - and called it 'The Holy Grail'
    He kept it as security, fearing Epstein would make him 'disappear'   
    Epstein admitted he was a sex abuser and served 18 month sentence after plead deal to avoid full-scale criminal trial
    Prince Andrew has been accused by victim of Epstein of having sex with her when she was underage and vehemently denies the allegation
    No suggestion of any wrongdoing by any of the names in the book
    By Sara Nathan for DailyMail.com and Martin Gould in Florida for DailyMail.com


http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2897836/How-Prince-Andrew-s-sex-abuser-friend-Jeffrey-Epstein-kept-list-nicknamed-Holy-Grail-great-good-Bill-Clinton-Tony-Blair-Mick-Jagger-Donald-Trump.html#ixzz3O3f0UDRd

The Queen's residences? I bet you guys a pound note that HM knew what was going on (she's not some ignorant naive innocent) and sanctioned it.


Title: Re: Andrew's Scandal - Update: named in 'underage sex slave' lawsuit filed in U.S. court
Post by: YooperModerator on January 06, 2015, 04:16:37 pm
Info on the attorney representing the Jane Doe litigants:

http://www.pathtojustice.com/attorneys/brad-edwards#.VKwIY2TF-vs (http://www.pathtojustice.com/attorneys/brad-edwards#.VKwIY2TF-vs)

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Mr. Edwards has passionately upheld the rights of crime victims throughout this legal career. Before entering private practice, Mr. Edwards was lead trial attorney at the Broward County State Attorney’s Office, prosecuting many violent criminals. Since leaving the State Attorney’s Office, Mr. Edwards has continued to devote his practice and his life to fighting for the rights of crime victims, oftentimes in complicated and hotly contested complex civil jury trials.

Mr. Edwards has built a reputation for successfully handling the “civil” litigation aspect of these types of cases and handing over his findings to state and federal prosecutors, who then can pursue the criminal case on behalf of the victims.

This, to me, is when things will get icky if the judge decides allow this to be sent to state and fed prosecutors.  That's when fan meets sh#t.

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Mr. Edwards is currently pursuing a precedent setting case in Federal Court, on a pro bono basis, on behalf of young girls who were sexually molested by a well-connected billionaire, wherein he is litigating to uphold the rights of crime victims under Crime Victims' Rights Act.

He has been profiled in The Best Lawyers in America and recognized by the National Trial Lawyers Association's "Top 40 Under 40." He was also recognized in the Daily Business Review Top Florida Verdicts & Settlements in 2011 and 2012 for separate large jury verdicts. Mr. Edwards is rated AV by his professional peers through the Martindale-Hubbell © Peer Review Rating system. According to Martindale-Hubbell, the "AV" rating of "Very High to Preeminent" legal ability is a testament from peer legal professionals of the highest level of professional excellence and of unquestionable ethics. He has also been selected as a Top Rated Lawyer by ALM & Martindale-Hubbell. Mr. Edwards has also been certified as a lifetime member of the Million Dollar Advocates Forum and the Multi-Million Dollar Advocates Forum



Title: Re: Andrew's Scandal - Update: named in 'underage sex slave' lawsuit filed in U.S. court
Post by: Stephanie on January 06, 2015, 04:34:46 pm
^
Let it happen.

The Convicted Sex Offender and the Alleged Child Molester appear to have some kind of sick bromance where the Alleged Rapist would call the Sex Offender every week and the Sex Offender had pictures of himself and the Alleged Abuser scattered everywhere in his house of sin.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/theroyalfamily/8360254/Fresh-questions-for-Prince-Andrew-over-friendship-with-alleged paedophile-Jeffrey-Epstein.html


Title: Re: Andrew's Scandal - Update: named in 'underage sex slave' lawsuit filed in U.S. court
Post by: Kuei Fei on January 06, 2015, 05:39:23 pm
EXCLUSIVE: Houseman who cleaned alleged pedophile Jeffrey Epstein's sex toys and feared he would make him 'disappear' died just last week and takes billionaire's secrets to the grave

    Alfredo Rodriguez, Epstein's houseman for many years, passed away last week, his widow Patricia Dunn told DailyMail.com
    Rodriguez kept a 'black book' of Epstein's - which he referred to as 'The Holy Grail'
    He tried to obtain $50,000 from lawyers for Epstein's book
    Ex-butler called it an 'insurance policy' because he was afraid Epstein would 'make him disappear'
    The houseman went to jail in 2011 for failing to turn over the book
    It 'detailed the full scope and the extent of Epstein's involvement with underage girls,' said lawyers
    Rodriguez said Epstein left sex toys in his bedroom after purported 'massages'


http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2897939/Houseman-cleaned-alleged pedophile-Jeffrey-Epstein-s-sex-toys-feared-billionaire-make-disappear-takes-secrets-grave.html#ixzz3O42IhCnD


Title: Re: Andrew's Scandal - Update: named in 'underage sex slave' lawsuit filed in U.S. court
Post by: Stephanie on January 06, 2015, 05:45:56 pm
^
All it takes for a person to get mesothelioma is to inhale asbestos. :Carole:

Did any of you guys know that Epstein was never really in jail?

http://jezebel.com/5785707/how-to-go-unpunished-for-pedophilia-be-rich

He spent 13 months in a wing of the county stockade, during which he "was let out on work release six days a week for up to 16 hours a day," according to the Palm Beach Post.


Title: Re: Andrew's Scandal - Update: named in 'underage sex slave' lawsuit filed in U.S. court
Post by: Val on January 06, 2015, 06:26:12 pm
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2898678/Boris-Johnson-sympathy-Prince-Andrew.html


Boris Johnson's popularity will plummet after 'supporting' Prince Andrew.  Even though not convicted as yet, his association with such a sick alleged paedophile as Epsein has ruined PA's reputation, not that he was ever popular.   Boris Johnson was extremely popular and it is a crass thing to say that PA has done a lot of 'good  works' behind the scenes as if to absolve him of the current accusations.


Title: Re: Andrew's Scandal - Update: named in 'underage sex slave' lawsuit filed in U.S. court
Post by: Freya on January 06, 2015, 06:31:00 pm
The RF are so hypocritical. Diana was advised to not align herself with AIDS charities yet Andrew can befriend a despicable man who pimps out under age girls.



When did this happen? Any links  :bat: :bat: :bat: :bat: bignono bignono bignono bignono

I think that it happened when Diana left Balmoral to visit the dying Adrian Ward Jackson. She stayed with him and was with him at the end. From memory there is mention of the RF attitude in The Andrew Morton Book. Diana My True Story.

Diana did a lot to stop prejudice about AIDS.


Title: Re: Andrew's Scandal - Update: named in 'underage sex slave' lawsuit filed in U.S. court
Post by: Snowdrop on January 06, 2015, 06:32:50 pm
^^ @ Val - PA may well have done some very good works but nothing can be good enough to counteract the current allegations which would appear to have more than a grain of truth.  However, even if these were proved to be false,  IMO he keeps some very dubious company ..... from corrupt Russian oligarchs to convicted paedos -  and this a man who, as ER's son, could mix with the highest in the land; mind you, that's not saying much these days


Title: Re: Andrew's Scandal - Update: named in 'underage sex slave' lawsuit filed in U.S. court
Post by: Stephanie on January 06, 2015, 06:46:24 pm
Thankfully David Cameron is staying out of this mess.


Title: Re: Andrew's Scandal - Update: named in 'underage sex slave' lawsuit filed in U.S. court
Post by: Val on January 06, 2015, 06:49:29 pm
^
Good point especially as he usually rushes in and brown noses the RF.   I have been a Tory supporter all my life but no longer knowing what I do now.


Title: Re: Andrew's Scandal - Update: named in 'underage sex slave' lawsuit filed in U.S. court
Post by: Kuei Fei on January 06, 2015, 07:03:12 pm
I do think that Cameron has decided to save his own skin instead of protecting the Windsors/Yorkies. I bet you anything his political advisers staged an intervention and told him to stay out of his and told him to think of his own political career. One thing if it's a petty press imbroglio and this is way beyond the pale.


Title: Re: Andrew's Scandal - Update: named in 'underage sex slave' lawsuit filed in U.S. court
Post by: HRH Tiana of NOLA on January 06, 2015, 07:03:55 pm
Strong rumour circulating that he could blow the whistle on the Middletons/goldsmiths for their alleged drug smuggling, pimping, surrogacy, bogus heirs, money laundering etc etc.    Some  say the Mids know everything about PA having extracted it from the naive and vulnerable PW.  It's could be a tit for tat situation which even the palace say isn't going away and could get very nasty indeed.

Me upon reading this...

http://songofthelark.files.wordpress.com/2013/06/tumblr_inline_mkhpcfcdwr1qz4rgp.gif (http://songofthelark.files.wordpress.com/2013/06/tumblr_inline_mkhpcfcdwr1qz4rgp.gif)


Title: Re: Andrew's Scandal - Update: named in 'underage sex slave' lawsuit filed in U.S. court
Post by: Freya on January 06, 2015, 07:07:19 pm
Whilst the case is not directly against PA the fallout will surely mean the end of any kind of public duty. I cannot see how he can hope to continue.

Charles is very quiet over it. I wonder if Charles has been unhappy for some time about Andrew's contacts and the "balcony thing" was part of it. PA will certainly not be on the balcony now.


Title: Re: Andrew's Scandal - Update: named in 'underage sex slave' lawsuit filed in U.S. court
Post by: Kuei Fei on January 06, 2015, 07:30:35 pm
I often wonder if Charles knew about this, didn't quite know how to tell the public, but then this happened and now Charles can be entirely justified in his idea of a slimmed down monarchy. He can point this out and be taken seriously.

I am sure that the children's charities are disgusted and will drop him, no matter what and no charity will want him associated with them.

Strong rumour circulating that he could blow the whistle on the Middletons/goldsmiths for their alleged drug smuggling, pimping, surrogacy, bogus heirs, money laundering etc etc.    Some  say the Mids know everything about PA having extracted it from the naive and vulnerable PW.  It's could be a tit for tat situation which even the palace say isn't going away and could get very nasty indeed.
Me upon reading this...
http://songofthelark.files.wordpress.com/2013/06/tumblr_inline_mkhpcfcdwr1qz4rgp.gif (http://songofthelark.files.wordpress.com/2013/06/tumblr_inline_mkhpcfcdwr1qz4rgp.gif)

I think that is the next step. This is test time for when the press decides the time is right to expose the Middletons in all their criminal glory.


Title: Re: Andrew's Scandal - Update: named in 'underage sex slave' lawsuit filed in U.S. court
Post by: Fly on the wall on January 06, 2015, 07:35:32 pm
as arrogant Andrew and above the law the RF think they are he will still be out and about. Now the court of public opinion he will be getting dirty looks from now on.  As for the other men involve in this i hope they all get their day. its pretty sicking seeing all the Victim blaming going on with this case,and to be honest i have feeling this wont go anywhere yeah it's hot now ,but what about two weeks from now?



Thankfully David Cameron is staying out of this mess.


yup I'm surprise too he hasn't added his two cents in,but its still early he might pipe in when the dust clears .


Title: Re: Andrew's Scandal - Update: named in 'underage sex slave' lawsuit filed in U.S. court
Post by: Kuei Fei on January 06, 2015, 07:44:10 pm
In a few weeks a book might come out, or the date of release will be announced and then the public will have detailed accounts of all that went on. Andrew will likely try to make some public appearances and that won't go down well. I am sure that there won't be any kindness felt towards him and no cheering. HM will be forced to figure out how to get her son back on the public role track (yes, she is just that deluded to try) or get rid of him via public appearances. I'm sure that no matter what, Andrew is indeed toast. Dirty looks, as for the rest, they'll be named. Clinton, Mick Jagger, all vile.


Title: Re: Andrew's Scandal - Update: named in 'underage sex slave' lawsuit filed in U.S. court
Post by: Fly on the wall on January 06, 2015, 07:59:00 pm
with all these names coming out pretty high profile people they will try their hardest to get this buried,and the women name get dragged , but from the public minds it will still be there.

sadly this woman and other women involve wont get the  justice they deserve cause you have people in this society that protects abusers because of power, money and fame.Epstein  should not be walking around a free man


Title: Re: Andrew's Scandal - Update: named in 'underage sex slave' lawsuit filed in U.S. court
Post by: Stephanie on January 06, 2015, 08:02:14 pm
It will be a lot harder for this man
http://static3.businessinsider.com/image/4d74c7a549e2aed713280000/prince-andrew-could-lose-post-as-uk-trade-ambassador-over-association-with-a-alleged pedophile.jpg
to get access to children now that he's allegedly exposed.

Maybe Chuck can recommend some new "friends, given his untarnished reputation in that regard.
http://www.hangthebankers.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/07/Rolf-Harris-Prince-Charles.jpg
With child rapist Rolf Harris.
https://encrypted-tbn1.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcR3AG_rPatsdXzNM5garqE5ZvjDHULHoha90bdq2SPb7psW3MEY3A
With mass alleged pedophile Saville who destroyed at least 500 children's lives.


Title: Re: Andrew's Scandal - Update: named in 'underage sex slave' lawsuit filed in U.S. court
Post by: cate1949 on January 06, 2015, 08:36:51 pm
AnaBolena I do hear what you are saying about the credibility of Ms. Roberts and it may be in her case that sex slavery is not the right way to describe her experience.  Child sexual abuse perhaps?  Child prostitution?

I would just add though that men like Epstein prey on girls who are troubled to begin with.  The 14 year old whose stepmother reported this to the police and got the ball rolling on the investigation was in a school for troubled girls, Roberts parents had divorced and her mother had moved to another state - Roberts was a runaway too.

Furthermore - these pigs use money, their authority as adults, drugs, alcohol, glamorous trips and psychological manipulation to entrap these girls.  The girl may not be locked up in a house but these other factors seduce them along with fear of retribution and a perverse sort of love for their abuser.
And often they have either absent parents or parents who are obviously not ideal.  It seems Roberts parents were convinced she was simply a paid masseuse for Epstein and closed their eyes to the obvious other connotations.

It is common to destroy the credibility of these girls who do come forward with their murky troubled pasts - but even when it is true that they may not have been ideal kids - they still were kids.  But we should also remember that even if Roberts credibility is iffy - 102 girls have come forward and admitted to being part of Epstein's sex ring.  Epstein is known to have imported three 12 year olds from France through a modelling agency as a birthday present to himself.  40 girls have received one million dollars in damages apiece and signed non disclosure agreements.  The man - and his associates - is a monster.

The Express (I think) has reported that it is rumored Epstein may have had an association with Mossad  the Israeli intelligence agency or the CIA.  Epstein is known to have had relationships with Israeli government officials including a Prime Minister.  We know from the investigations in the UK that MI5 had used alleged pedophile rings as a means to blackmail people into giving them information and spying for them so this may be another example of that sort of tactic.  It could explain why Epstein got off so easy and why he so called "jail" time was such a farce.  I wonder about Savile in this regard too.

I used to think all the talk about alleged pedophile rings was conspiracy stuff.  Now it is clear that it was true and those people who have been dismissed as tin foil hat types were right.  The core of our system is rotten and I have nothing but admiration for those four women and their attorneys who are challenging the rot.  It takes  courage to take on the powerful especially since we know the girls will be *lowlife* shamed and threatened.  Dershowits is already trying to threaten and intimidate the attorneys by seeking to have them disbarred.

Even if Andrew did not have sex with any of these girls (we should remember that another girl did claim Andrew groped her) his association with this guy is deplorable and for that alone he should be made persona non grata.



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Title: Re: Andrew's Scandal - Update: named in 'underage sex slave' lawsuit filed in U.S. court
Post by: Kuei Fei on January 06, 2015, 08:38:30 pm
No way would any business want Andrew as a trade envoy, meeting with them. It would leak out and the business would be known to willingly do business with a suspected alleged pedo.


Title: Re: Andrew's Scandal - Update: named in 'underage sex slave' lawsuit filed in U.S. court
Post by: Freya on January 06, 2015, 10:56:57 pm
^
Good point KM about Charles now having an excuse for slimming down the Monarchy. It's been handed to him on a plate.


Title: Re: Andrew's Scandal - Update: named in 'underage sex slave' lawsuit filed in U.S. court
Post by: YooperModerator on January 07, 2015, 12:59:33 am
For me, they're all pretty out of touch with reality on a daily basis and completely untouchable so anything goes, I guess.  Quite distasteful.

As for those mentioned in the Civil suit, it all hinges upon what the judge allows into court.  If there is evidence that any member mentioned in the proceedings had sex with anyone underage it goes to trial immediately after the civil case.  That's the way it works in the US and there is no immunity.  So, no one's out of the woods yet.


Title: Re: Andrew's Scandal - Update: named in 'underage sex slave' lawsuit filed in U.S. court
Post by: india on January 07, 2015, 01:32:41 am
Good.


Title: Re: Andrew's Scandal - Update: named in 'underage sex slave' lawsuit filed in U.S. court
Post by: cate1949 on January 07, 2015, 02:06:40 am
yes they are completely out of touch - really do not know how to gauge the public mood.


The article in the Wall Street Journal which talked about why the civil suit was filed explains all --


they are not looking for money - so using that as a means to discredit the 4 women in the civil suit won't fly

what they want is for the plea bargain to be declared null -

then with enough public outcry - then the feds or state of Fla will  prosecute Epstein and company

Alan Dershowitz makes it sound like their lawyers are flight by night types but they are not - one is a former federal judge the other is a well known advocate for victim's rights

Andy is in for a long time with these revelations coming out over and over -


Title: Re: Andrew's Scandal - Update: named in 'underage sex slave' lawsuit filed in U.S. court
Post by: Fly on the wall on January 07, 2015, 04:14:31 am
'I'm not going to answer that': Zara Phillips dodges questions on the sex scandal allegations surrounding her uncle Prince Andrew at equestrian event Down Under

scandal surrounding her uncle, Prince Andrew, while attending the Magic Millions Barrier Draw event on the Gold Coast on Tuesday.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/tvshowbiz/article-2899570/I-m-not-going-answer-Zara-Phillips-dodges-questions-sex-scandal-allegations-surrounding-uncle-Prince-Andrew-equestrian-event-Under



Palace’s reaction to sex allegations against Prince Andrew surprises royal watchers

LONDON — The usual royal response to scandal is to pull up the drawbridge and pretend nothing is happening. So many royal watchers here were quite surprised that instead of the expected “no comment,” , palace officials have taken an uncharacteristic offensive posture.

Since the allegations emerged late last week that Prince Andrew had sex with an underage girl, Buckingham Palace has issued an astonishing three denials, hinted at legal action and written to editors of British newspapers to remind them of their legal and ethical responsibilities.

The latest intervention rang out from Prince Andrew’s ex-wife, Sarah Ferguson, or “Fergie,” as she is widely known, who graced the front pages of several British papers on Tuesday as she spoke out in defense of Andrew.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/world/europe/buckingham-palace-fights-back-in-prince-andrew-scandal/2015/01/06/ae8b3d46-95b2-11e4-8385-866293322c2f_story.html



US lawyer takes legal action in Prince Andrew sex claim case

US lawyer Alan Dershowitz, accused of having sex with an underage girl in a case also involving Prince Andrew, has begun legal action to clear his name.
of York and Mr Dershowitz were named in US court papers relating to the handling of a case against financier Jeffrey Epstein.

Lawyers representing the complainant, now an adult, say they are preparing to present evidence of her claim.

Buckingham Palace says the sex claims against the duke lack "any foundation".

Mr Dershowitz filed papers at a court in Florida, where the case is being heard, to contest what he described as "absolutely outrageous claims".

The former Harvard law professor has asked for his name to be removed from documents which accuse him and Prince Andrew of having sexual relations with Virginia Roberts, known in court as Jane Doe #3, who was under the age of consent in the US at the time of the alleged incidents.
http://www.bbc.com/news/uk-30692699


Title: Re: Andrew's Scandal - Update: named in 'underage sex slave' lawsuit filed in U.S. court
Post by: cate1949 on January 07, 2015, 04:59:09 am

Lawyers representing the complainant, now an adult, say they are preparing to present evidence of her claim.




wow - if there is evidence of her claim - if that evidence is convincing not just circumstantial - this will explode - monstrously disastrous if there is proof and they denied the claim.   I'm wondering if she has pics??  What other sort of proof could there be?  Another girl willing to corroborate the story?  wow -


Title: Re: Andrew's Scandal - Update: named in 'underage sex slave' lawsuit filed in U.S. court
Post by: cate1949 on January 07, 2015, 05:08:21 am
this is a article from when she first made her revelations - it details how she was recruited


http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1361039/Prince-Andrew-girl-17-sex-offender-friend-flew-Britain-meet-him.htmlhttp://


Title: Re: Andrew's Scandal - Update: named in 'underage sex slave' lawsuit filed in U.S. court
Post by: Fly on the wall on January 07, 2015, 05:14:41 am
Prince Andrew does a 'huge amount of unsung, unheralded work' for Britain, says Boris Johnson who has 'sympathy

Andrew over US court claims he had sex with an under-age girl.
The London Mayor hailed the Duke of York for doing a 'huge amount of unsung, unheralded work for this country'.
It follows four days of torrid headlines for the prince after the allegations emerged in court papers on Friday.

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Cameron, meanwhile, failed to offer his public support to the Prince over the allegations.
In an interview by the radio station LBC for Heart FM Wales, the Prime Minister said: ‘I’m not going to make any comment on it. Obviously, the Prince has made his own views very, very clear, and I think I’ll leave it at that.’

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2898678/Boris-Johnson-sympathy-Prince-Andrew.html


Oh you feel sympathy for him screw Andrew what about the many girls who had to deal with being with Epstein and co


Title: Re: Andrew's Scandal - Update: named in 'underage sex slave' lawsuit filed in U.S. court
Post by: Kuei Fei on January 07, 2015, 05:44:59 am

Lawyers representing the complainant, now an adult, say they are preparing to present evidence of her claim.

wow - if there is evidence of her claim - if that evidence is convincing not just circumstantial - this will explode - monstrously disastrous if there is proof and they denied the claim.   I'm wondering if she has pics??  What other sort of proof could there be?  Another girl willing to corroborate the story?  wow -

I bet you anything that once the papers are filed, they'll be made public and then all the details will be seen by the public. If it has made it this far, I bet she has concrete proof in her possession.


Title: Re: Andrew's Scandal - Update: named in 'underage sex slave' lawsuit filed in U.S. court
Post by: cate1949 on January 07, 2015, 06:44:15 am
the article is not clear as to whom the evidence refers to - Dershowitz or Andrew or both

another article about Epstein with Andy mentions posted today on the Daily Beast - this guy Epstein is so so sleazy - it makes Abdrew's friendship with him even more disturbing

http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2015/01/06/i-tried-to-warn-you-about-sleazy-billionaire-jeffrey-epstein-in-2002.htmlhttp://


Title: Re: Andrew's Scandal - Update: named in 'underage sex slave' lawsuit filed in U.S. court
Post by: Freya on January 07, 2015, 08:22:11 am
I bet Harbottle and Lewis are glad that they are no longer doing freebies.


Title: Re: Andrew's Scandal - Update: named in 'underage sex slave' lawsuit filed in U.S. court
Post by: Rosella on January 07, 2015, 09:06:18 am
Prince Andrew does a 'huge amount of unsung, unheralded work' for Britain, says Boris Johnson who has 'sympathy

Andrew over US court claims he had sex with an under-age girl.
The London Mayor hailed the Duke of York for doing a 'huge amount of unsung, unheralded work for this country'.
It follows four days of torrid headlines for the prince after the allegations emerged in court papers on Friday.

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Cameron, meanwhile, failed to offer his public support to the Prince over the allegations.
In an interview by the radio station LBC for Heart FM Wales, the Prime Minister said: ‘I’m not going to make any comment on it. Obviously, the Prince has made his own views very, very clear, and I think I’ll leave it at that.’

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2898678/Boris-Johnson-sympathy-Prince-Andrew.html


Oh you feel sympathy for him screw Andrew what about the many girls who had to deal with being with Epstein and co

Boris Johnson has had what might be described as a rather colourful love life of his own!


Title: Re: Andrew's Scandal - Update: named in 'underage sex slave' lawsuit filed in U.S. court
Post by: Mandosiel on January 07, 2015, 12:50:30 pm
I bet Harbottle and Lewis are glad that they are no longer doing freebies.

Would tarnish their good name being associated with them, dodged massive royal bullet.


Title: Re: Andrew's Scandal - Update: named in 'underage sex slave' lawsuit filed in U.S. court
Post by: starsailor on January 07, 2015, 12:54:28 pm
^
^
There is clearly a huge difference between 'having a colourful love life' and sexual abuse.


Title: Re: Andrew's Scandal - Update: named in 'underage sex slave' lawsuit filed in U.S. court
Post by: Freya on January 07, 2015, 01:10:38 pm
When I read about some of the experiences of the victims of the Westminster alleged paedophile ring I felt physically sickened. These are young boys and girls who are no more than children abused in the most horrific ways.

There is no sensitivity in how the victims are treated. They are treated just like pieces of meat for the sexual gratification of these perverts.

A society who does not protect it's young is failing. This needs to stop and however rich or powerful the perpetrators are they need to be brought to justice.


Title: Re: Andrew's Scandal - Update: named in 'underage sex slave' lawsuit filed in U.S. court
Post by: gingerboy24 on January 07, 2015, 03:28:12 pm
I am not sure if this has already been posted at some stage on RG, and in the absence of being able to find a relevant thread, and the subject being topical, thought I would put it on here.  If there is an appropriate thread that I did not find please can you move this comment to it mods  -  thank you  :flower:

As Prince Andrew becomes the latest figure to be named in an establishment alleged paedophile scandal, the British nation has woken up today to face, yet again, the uncomfortable possibility that they are governed by an elite political and media establishment that has, for at least the past 50 years, engaged in, covered up, and ignored institutionalised paedophilia.

http://www.breitbart.com/london/2015/01/03/if-british-citizens-do-not-rest-the-control-of-the-establishment-alleged paedophile-scandal-from-the-government-it-will-forever-be-a-source-of-national-shame/


Title: Re: Guess the Next Scandal! II
Post by: Freya on January 07, 2015, 04:02:15 pm
^^^
There could also be further revelations to come out regarding a large
alleged paedophile-ring

http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/vip-alleged paedophile-ring-abused-teenage-4721479

A young teenager claims to have been abused by a member of the RF.  



Gingerboy, I posted this link further back on this thread. I think that this alleged paedophile-ring (which is under investigation but relates to incidents some time ago) needs a thread of it's own.


Title: Re: Andrew's Scandal - Update: named in 'underage sex slave' lawsuit filed in U.S. court
Post by: YooperModerator on January 07, 2015, 05:23:04 pm
http://www.nydailynews.com/news/crime/alan-dershowitz-categorically-denies-sex-17-year-old-article-1.2067453 (http://www.nydailynews.com/news/crime/alan-dershowitz-categorically-denies-sex-17-year-old-article-1.2067453)

Love it!  You rock Bradley Edwards.

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Dershowitz also vowed to file disciplinary complaints against the attorneys representing his accuser, who has been identified as 30-year-old Virginia Roberts.

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But before Dershowitz could, the lawyers — Paul Cassell and Bradley Edwards — sued him for defamation

These guys are going for the jugular.  Good for them.

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Roberts is one of several women who claim they were turned into sex slaves by freaky New York financier Jeffrey Epstein, a billionaire and convicted sex offender whose tentacles extend around the world.


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But Roberts cites just two names in her request to be included in a six-year-old lawsuit against Epstein brought by two other women who claim they were forced to become his sex slaves — Dershowitz and the Duke of York.

Comment that has no deniers.  These are some heavyweight lawyers:

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Brad Edwards has been kicking Epstein's *butt* in Florida courts for several years now, while Paul Cassell clerked for Scalia and is a former federal judge. These guys might have the cojones and smarts to take Dershowitz to the mat.

More power to them: Epstein is a f#cking Satan and Dershowitz seems to have helped him negotiate a sickeningly lenient deal. Anyone who even *vaguely* knew what Epstein was doing to those young girls and turned a blind eye deserves some seriously rough punishment.


Title: Re: Andrew's Scandal - Update: named in 'underage sex slave' lawsuit filed in U.S. court
Post by: AnaBolena on January 07, 2015, 06:36:44 pm
http://www.ibtimes.co.uk/prince-andrew-sex-scandal-duke-york-did-not-have-sexual-relations-virginia-roberts-1481749

In this article it is claimed she was 17 and in London.  This is what is confusing me - 17 is a legal age of consent in UK. She wasn't claiming to be screaming 'no'. 

Seems PA isn't the only high profile name that's going to come out - US Clinton and U.K. priminister. 

Epstein, sure, I accept that. 


Title: Re: Andrew's Scandal - Update: named in 'underage sex slave' lawsuit filed in U.S. court
Post by: cate1949 on January 07, 2015, 08:58:59 pm
right Yooper - Dershowtiz's famous intimidation tactics did not work - these are serious experienced attorneys - who are not going to be rattled they know what they are up against

Dershowitz was so busy doing the TV circuit - while these guys practiced law.

He thinks guys with this level of experience - a former federal court judge - both of them have argued cases in front of the Supreme Court - and Dershowitz thinks they did not do proper discovery before making these charges?  Or that they filed without evidence?

This is going to be very interesting.  But seriously - Andy and Fergie have 18 phone numbers each ?  Rather excessive.

While I find the depravity of Epstein disgusting as well as the standing by of his associates who knew this was going on - it is the way they used their influence - the intimidation and harassment tactics they used - the fear they used against the victims, their family and the prosecutors that is the worst.  They sought to corrupt and subvert the US Justice system - they need to be taught a lesson.

This is the kind of man Epstein is - the man Andrew was such close friends with - it as been revealed in the US media that a woman was writing an article on Epstein for publication in Vanity Fair - this is well before any of this came out - in her research she discovered a family who claimed Epstein had raped their 16 year old daughter and that they did not file charges because they were threatened that harm could come to both their daughters.  The magazines lawyers vetted the article but ultimately pressure was applied and that part of the story was taken out.  The writer later gave birth to premature twins - and Epstein made it clear to her he knew what hospital they were in.  She and her husband had to hire private security guards for the babies while they were in the hospital.  That is monstrously wrong - Epstein and his associates need to be revealed for what they are.

As for 17 being the age of legal consent in London - but  it is claimed he had sex with her in the US where it is not the legal age.  And what the heck is he doing with a 17 year old - legal age or not?  Why did he associate with this guy when he had to know what was going on - he clearly saw all these young girls.




Title: Re: Andrew's Scandal - Update: named in 'underage sex slave' lawsuit filed in U.S. court
Post by: georgiana on January 07, 2015, 09:19:13 pm
www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2900689/Prince-Andrew-s-Playboy-model-ex-says-no-truth-sex-scandal-allegations.html

I don't buy it, my gut tells me Andrew is guilty  :thumbsdown:


Title: Re: Andrew's Scandal - Update: named in 'underage sex slave' lawsuit filed in U.S. court
Post by: Fly on the wall on January 07, 2015, 10:21:49 pm
 Rebecca English @RE_DailyMail
Powerful leader in The Times today regarding #PrinceAndrew #JeffreyEpstein scandal. No Royal Family is indispensable or permanent, it says.


Title: Re: Andrew's Scandal - Update: named in 'underage sex slave' lawsuit filed in U.S. court
Post by: Mandosiel on January 08, 2015, 02:42:36 am
:laugh: damn right!

Between Kate, Saville, and this I really do honestly think this might be spelling out the end of the BRF! Not to mention a major overhaul of the British government.


Title: Re: Andrew's Scandal - Update: named in 'underage sex slave' lawsuit filed in U.S. court
Post by: cate1949 on January 08, 2015, 03:00:52 am
not the end - maybe the beginning of the end


Title: Re: Andrew's Scandal - Update: named in 'underage sex slave' lawsuit filed in U.S. court
Post by: HRH Tiana of NOLA on January 08, 2015, 03:47:12 am
Rebecca English @RE_DailyMail
Powerful leader in The Times today regarding #PrinceAndrew #JeffreyEpstein scandal. No Royal Family is indispensable or permanent, it says.

SHOTS FIRED!!!!!!


Title: Re: Andrew's Scandal - Update: named in 'underage sex slave' lawsuit filed in U.S. court
Post by: Kuei Fei on January 08, 2015, 03:50:25 am
Rebecca English @RE_DailyMail
Powerful leader in The Times today regarding #PrinceAndrew #JeffreyEpstein scandal. No Royal Family is indispensable or permanent, it says.

If ever there were a clear statement of intent, it would be this.

Someone upstairs is bluntly telling the BRF that their throne is unsafe.


Title: Re: Andrew's Scandal - Update: named in 'underage sex slave' lawsuit filed in U.S. court
Post by: Fly on the wall on January 08, 2015, 04:25:32 am

Rebecca English @RE_DailyMail
The Times newspaper also argues it is time for the British Royal Family to slim down......
...Harks back to my point y/day that the current Prince Andrew sex scandal is about more than just the court allegations......
......It also raises questions about his personal judgement and public role.


Peter Hunt@BBCPeterHunt
.@thetimes leader on @TheDukeOfYork story: "No royal family is indispensable, or permanent".
.@thetimes leader on @TheDukeOfYork story: "the royal family as an institution is too big. It should be streamlined"


Title: Re: Andrew's Scandal - Update: named in 'underage sex slave' lawsuit filed in U.S. court
Post by: cate1949 on January 08, 2015, 04:30:07 am
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/debate/article-2901329/STEPHEN-GLOVER-falsely-accused-Andrew-s-unguided-missile-monarchy-grave-harm.htmlhttp://



same argument being made here - slim it down and also a warning about Harry - mentions he works less than most officers and princes with too little to do create problems


does anyone have a link to the Times article?  I cannot find it -


Title: Re: Andrew's Scandal - Update: named in 'underage sex slave' lawsuit filed in U.S. court
Post by: danifaul on January 08, 2015, 06:06:44 am
^  Cate ....   :flower: I sent an PM


When I read about some of the experiences of the victims of the Westminster alleged paedophile ring I felt physically sickened. These are young boys and girls who are no more than children abused in the most horrific ways.

There is no sensitivity in how the victims are treated. They are treated just like pieces of meat for the sexual gratification of these perverts.

A society who does not protect it's young is failing. This needs to stop and however rich or powerful the perpetrators are they need to be brought to justice.
exactly
we can not forget, also is involved :
Case of -victims of trafficking
‘Trafficking’ is the movement of a person from one place to another for the purposes of exploitation. Women may have been forced, coerced or deceived into coming, or may have come willingly but been deceived about the nature or conditions of work they would experience on their arrival.Victims of trafficking are often subject to high levels of physical, sexual and psychological violence. For this reason, and because they may be afraid of the police, it may take women time to disclose the full extent of their experiences.Women do not have to have entered the country illegally to have been trafficked; however, they may have done so either knowingly or without their knowledge. They may also have had their passport or other forms of identification taken from them. Poppy receives funding from London Councils. '' http://www.eavesforwomen.org.uk/about-eaves/our-projects/the-poppy-project

Case of -  influence peddling.
Influence peddling is the illegal practice of using one's influence in government or connections with persons in authority to obtain favors or
preferential treatment for another

Case of - Child pornography

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He is also reported to have visited Epstein’s sugar-pink mansion in an exclusive area of West Palm Beach, Florida.
This property was later raided by the FBI and found to contain numerous pictures of Epstein’s underage victims, who he allegedly groomed from the age of 14 and paid £130 an hour for sordid “erotic massages”.

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“On the day of his arrest, police found two hidden cameras and photographs of underage girls on a computer in the defendant’s home.”The Duke of York is said to have visited the Palm Beach residence and enjoyed daily massages from young women when he was a guest of Epstein.

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A handyman who spent 11 years working for the tycoon claimed Prince Andrew often had massages when he was a guest at his Palm Beach mansion.

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Juan Alessi said :the massages were carried out in a private part of the mansion only Epstein and selected guests could access.

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It was claimed Andrew's ex-wife Sarah Ferguson also visited the mansion

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The private Caribbean island, called Little St James, allegedly became the scene of riotous orgies involving under-aged girls flown in from eastern Europe.


Title: Re: Andrew's Scandal - Update: named in 'underage sex slave' lawsuit filed in U.S. court
Post by: cate1949 on January 08, 2015, 07:34:35 am
Thank you Dani!

Balanced article - but the royals better pay attention.


Title: Re: Andrew's Scandal - Update: named in 'underage sex slave' lawsuit filed in U.S. court
Post by: Rosella on January 08, 2015, 08:26:17 am
I've read a summary of the Times article from someone who subscribes inline. It goes through what we know of Andrew's scandal, says that his life has lacked structure since he left the Navy and talks about Anne, Andrew and Harry being less than inspiring when they aren't gainfully employed, Andrew's choices in friends etc., as behaviour that is damaging to the structure of the monarchy.

The Times article doesn't call for a republic, it doesn't mention it. it says the monarchy at its best is a focus for the nation in good times and bad. However, it believes that the BRF is top heavy with members, that the nation should be led by the Head of State and those in direct line of succession. A slimming down of the monarchy is needed, it says.

It points out that there are eighteen official members of the British Royal Family, while others manage with far smaller numbers, pointing out several royal families in Europe which have an inner core royal family while siblings, cousins etc retire into private life.

 It points to the Spanish royal house, the abdication of the king followed by his daughter being in trouble and follows with the phrase 'No monarchy is permanent or indispensable'.


Title: Re: Andrew's Scandal - Update: named in 'underage sex slave' lawsuit filed in U.S. court
Post by: Freya on January 08, 2015, 09:11:04 am
http://www.ibtimes.co.uk/prince-andrew-sex-scandal-duke-york-did-not-have-sexual-relations-virginia-roberts-1481749

In this article it is claimed she was 17 and in London.  This is what is confusing me - 17 is a legal age of consent in UK. She wasn't claiming to be screaming 'no'.  

Seems PA isn't the only high profile name that's going to come out - US Clinton and U.K. priminister.  

Epstein, sure, I accept that.  

I think AB that comparisons can be drawn to the grooming of young white girls by Asian men and using them for prostitution in area's of the UK. It starts with the pimp targeting young vunerable girls and paying them attention, buying them clothes and drink etc. Possibly involves drugs and then sex. By then the girls are so entrenched and controlled that they will  anything. For women like us it's hard to believe but it happens.


Title: Kate jealous of Prince Andrew
Post by: Stephanie on January 08, 2015, 11:53:00 am
http://www.kdramastars.com/articles/66785/20150108/kate-middleton-fighting-prince-andrew-sex-scandalkate-middleton-fighting-prince-andrews-sickening-under-age-sex-slave-scandal.htm
OMG!
Waity is jealous of all the protection Andrew is getting and thinks her crotch exposure when meeting dignitaries should be overlooked now. :laugh: :ick:


Title: Re: Andrew's Scandal - Update: named in 'underage sex slave' lawsuit filed in U.S. court
Post by: Stephanie on January 08, 2015, 12:09:41 pm
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/debate/article-2901329/STEPHEN-GLOVER-falsely-accused-Andrew-s-unguided-missile-monarchy-grave-harm.html

What should have been done? Some argue that we need a ‘slimmed-down’ Scandinavian-style monarchy in which princes with expensive tastes are expected to fend for themselves, and official duties fall on two or three key individuals, including the sovereign.

Chuck using this to push his brother out and get Campon in?


Title: Re: Andrew's Scandal - Update: named in 'underage sex slave' lawsuit filed in U.S. court
Post by: Mandosiel on January 08, 2015, 12:15:50 pm
I would not put it past him.


Title: Re: Kate jealous of Prince Andrew
Post by: Mandosiel on January 08, 2015, 12:21:10 pm
 :- what about her uncle pimping "young, fresh girls" didn't seem too bothered by that when she was staying with him in his mansion in Ibiza. :sly: :snob: :P suck it up bi@tch, you wanted to marry in to that family, congratulations you have!!! Now deal with all their sordid scandals. :laugh:


Title: Re: Andrew's Scandal - Update: named in 'underage sex slave' lawsuit filed in U.S. court
Post by: Stephanie on January 08, 2015, 12:23:23 pm
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2900632/Pictured-Prince-Andrew-surrounded-topless-women-Thai-holiday-alleged paedophile-billionaire-Epstein-friend-says-Duke-tits-bums-man.html
Hunting season started.
Chuck and Campon are FANTASTIC but Andrew, apart from a child rapist, is also friendless, stupid, naive, arrogant and a sociopath.


Title: Re: Kate jealous of Prince Andrew
Post by: Countess of Holland on January 08, 2015, 12:27:34 pm
^^ This article is totally bogus. The fact that they mention the Queen Mother in this regard is telling.

As for Kate; she is hardly the one to through stones when it comes to using/ selling sex to get what she wants. We all know how she kept William 'interested' for all these years.


Title: Re: Kate jealous of Prince Andrew
Post by: Snowpea on January 08, 2015, 12:51:27 pm
http://www.kdramastars.com/articles/66785/20150108/kate-middleton-fighting-prince-andrew-sex-scandalkate-middleton-fighting-prince-andrews-sickening-under-age-sex-slave-scandal.htm
OMG!
Waity is jealous of all the protection Andrew is getting and thinks her crotch exposure when meeting dignitaries should be overlooked now. :laugh: :ick:

Well, don't you know that the Royal Family, Randy Andy included, have been riding a wave of popularity since the arrival of this useless creature? :James: According to the news.  :ick:


Title: Re: Andrew's Scandal - Update: named in 'underage sex slave' lawsuit filed in U.S. court
Post by: terrajoule on January 08, 2015, 01:03:03 pm
not the end - maybe the beginning of the end

Yep!


Title: Re: Kate jealous of Prince Andrew
Post by: gingerboy24 on January 08, 2015, 01:20:16 pm
Well, uncle fester is right up there in line with Prince Andrew, so if it sickens her to be around PA then surely it must sicken her to be around uf  -  but we have not heard anything like that have we.

A ploy to try and make people think exposing a full frontal crotch shot, exposing her butt, her boobs and various other mishaps, is nothing and pretty normal.  Well, where I come from nothing she has done is normal, and using PA as an excuse is a pretty low thing to do.  Not excusing him, if he is guilty, not at all, but this article is a step too far.

I am sure HM will be "delighted" to see this article arrive with her papers.  She thinks she is "in" with the royals because she is "pregnant" with no. 2   She never was, but if she had any chance she has blown it big time now.  Those medds, they never know when to stop do they. They stoop so low they are crawling on their bellies in the sewers these days.  And what is worse, wimpo appears to put them above his own blood family.  Jeez, if he also thinks the same as waity on this situation then he has to be insane not to see through the medds.

Just when you think they can sink no lower guess what?  They do.


Title: Re: Andrew's Scandal - Update: named in 'underage sex slave' lawsuit filed in U.S. court
Post by: gingerboy24 on January 08, 2015, 01:45:32 pm
I found this in its own thread, posted by Stephanie I think, but thought it would fit in here too,  Wasty trying to make herself look good in the light of PA´s current situation.  Pretty low down thing to do in my opinion, and will not ehance her standing in the rf one bit.  I smell ma on this one, with some help from wasty.

http://www.kdramastars.com/articles/66785/20150108/kate-middleton-fighting-prince-andrew-sex-scandalkate-middleton-fighting-prince-andrews-sickening-under-age-sex-slave-scandal.htm


Title: Re: Kate jealous of Prince Andrew
Post by: terrajoule on January 08, 2015, 01:54:27 pm
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Now that Kate Middleton is pregnant with her second child, she is now 'in' with the Royals.

Not necessarily. Still about one's behavior (ie: Sarah and Diana).

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Reports detailing events at the Buckingham Palace say that the Kate Middleton is fighting and furious

 :laugh:   Her Uncle though!  :ick:


Title: Re: Andrew's Scandal - Update: named in 'underage sex slave' lawsuit filed in U.S. court
Post by: gingerboy24 on January 08, 2015, 02:55:30 pm
Just read this, must have missed it yesterday.  Have trawled back to the 6 January and don´t see it on here (or I might need Specsavers).  If a double post mods please remove and apologies.

Prince Andrew does a fabulous job: as a gift to republicans that keeps on giving

Poor Andrew doesn’t mean to hang out with morally dubious people such as Jeffrey Epstein. He just wants to party


http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2015/jan/07/prince-andrew-gift-to-republicans-jeffrey-epstein-party


Title: Re: Andrew's Scandal - Update: named in 'underage sex slave' lawsuit filed in U.S. court
Post by: Kuei Fei on January 08, 2015, 05:20:09 pm
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/debate/article-2901329/STEPHEN-GLOVER-falsely-accused-Andrew-s-unguided-missile-monarchy-grave-harm.html

What should have been done? Some argue that we need a ‘slimmed-down’ Scandinavian-style monarchy in which princes with expensive tastes are expected to fend for themselves, and official duties fall on two or three key individuals, including the sovereign.

Chuck using this to push his brother out and get Campon in?

No matter what, the monarchy should be slimmed down no matter what.

As for expectations, certain charities and other will have to do without a royal patron and it's not like people aren't charitably inclined anyway. Yes, there's Kate, but thing is, certain charities that have had royal patrons could of course end up looking at the possibility of doling out patronages to aristocrats.

No matter what, Andrew needs to go and what is the point of him doing charity? Everyone would know it's just for PR and not even honest interest.


Title: Re: Andrew's Scandal - Update: named in 'underage sex slave' lawsuit filed in U.S. court
Post by: cate1949 on January 08, 2015, 07:09:44 pm
http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2015/01/08/sleazy-billionaire-s-double-life-featured-beach-parties-with-stephen-hawking.htmlhttp://

not letting go of this case in the US


Title: Re: Andrew's Scandal - Update: named in 'underage sex slave' lawsuit filed in U.S. court
Post by: YooperModerator on January 08, 2015, 07:49:11 pm
^Nope

http://time.com/3658851/prince-andrew-jeffrey-epstein/ (http://time.com/3658851/prince-andrew-jeffrey-epstein/)

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Prince Andrew Sex Scandal Lawsuit Has High Legal Stakes

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On its face, the story is more lurid than pulp fiction: A federal court filing accuses the Queen of England’s second son, Prince Andrew, of having sex in three countries with the self-described “sex slave” of an American financier, Jeffrey Epstein, who is himself a registered sex offender who settled a civil lawsuit by the woman out of court. A photograph exists of Prince Andrew smiling while he hugs the bare midriff of the teenage girl with his left arm.

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But the oddest twist of all is not just that this is all really happening. It’s the reason why. The lawsuit that mentions these charges does not target any of the people who allegedly committed the crimes. Rather, it is aimed squarely at the U.S. Department of Justice, and its outcome could transform the way federal prosecutors handle high-profile criminal settlements in the future. “It’s a big case,” says Meg Garvin, the director of the National Crime Victim Law Institute. “If the Justice Department’s position stands, it eviscerates victims rights in a whole swath of cases.”

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At issue is whether federal prosecutors have a legal obligation under the 2004 Crime Victims Rights Act to consult with victims of crimes during plea negotiations, even when settlements are reached before formal charges are filed. If a court eventually finds that they do, lawyers for four alleged victims of Jeffrey Epstein hope to throw out a plea deal he signed in 2007, allowing the prosecutors to seek new charges against him, and possibly others.


This is really, to me, the nuts and bolts of this.  The Florida attorneys filing charges wisely chose a route that would force the issue as to whether or not fed prosecutors should consult with victims of crimes during a plea.  I personally don't see any court in the US not agreeing with this.  It would be against everything we stand for in Victim's Rights.

SO, if it is allowed, then whatever protection Epstein had before is declared null and void and new charges will be begun and anybody associated with him.

Brilliant.  Absolutely brilliant.  This is ghastly for Edward.  Welcome to the USA!


Title: Re: Andrew's Scandal - Update: named in 'underage sex slave' lawsuit filed in U.S. court
Post by: Kuei Fei on January 08, 2015, 08:05:33 pm
I really wish the DM would let the people comment and let rip on Andrew. Better than trying to suppress it, which never works.

http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2015/01/08/sleazy-billionaire-s-double-life-featured-beach-parties-with-stephen-hawking.htmlhttp://
not letting go of this case in the US

For which I thank the Savior on a regular basis.

EXCLUSIVE: Prince Andrew at Heidi Klum's '*pavement walkers* and Pimps' party with the New York socialite accused of procuring underage girls for his billionaire alleged pedophile friend

    Ghislaine Maxwell is pictured with Prince Andrew at Heidi Klum's Halloween party in 2000
    The New York socialite stands accused of 'procuring' girls for Jeffrey Epstein around same time as party pictures
    Maxwell, the daughter of disgraced newspaper tycoon Robert Maxwell, is described in court papers as his 'co-conspirator' in 'sexual abuse'
    Accused of 'facilitating Prince Andrew's abuse by acting as a 'madame'
    'Sex slave' Virginia Roberts claims she met the royal at Maxwell's home
    Maxwell has previously denied any involvement with Epstein's crimes
    Her lawyers say she 'denies each and every allegation'
    Friends say they cannot believe she would behave in such a way


http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2900787/Prince-Andrew-Heidi-Klum-*pavement walkers*-Pimps-party-New-York-socialite-accused-procuring-underage-girls-billionaire-alleged pedophile-Jeffrey-Epstein.html#ixzz3OGJOGWBI

You know, if he's been to all these places and around all these girls and at all these parties, I am certain that Andrew could be convicted if circumstantial evidence were all that was needed. I mean, really. I wonder if the DM is prepping the public for some new bombshell that is too incendiary to be released right away.

Check this: http://www.policeone.com/investigations/articles/4107500-Investigating-a-circumstantial-criminal-case/

You know, I don't think Andrew is out of the woods and I don't think it's going to get better for him. This is just eight days into the New Year and already it's only beginning to escalate.


Title: Re: Andrew's Scandal - Update: named in 'underage sex slave' lawsuit filed in U.S. court
Post by: Aquitaine on January 08, 2015, 08:51:46 pm
Not sure if this is allowed, but someone on another board researched and summed up the background info for this case relatively succinctly - it's definitely worth skimming over if you have the time: http://royaldish.com/index.php?topic=14391.msg848049#msg848049

What is really disgusting is the amount of corruption involved; in the original criminal proceedings Epstein and his lawyers were able to strike a plea deal and he was "jailed" for only 13 months - "jailed" here having the meaning of "being allowed to leave his cell every single day to 'work' in an office that didn't even have a connected phone line for a fake, nondescript foundation he'd conveniently set up just before he had to carry out his sentence and even fly out of state from time to time". That's just one of the details outlined in the link I just posted above - I strongly urge you to go and look at it in full.

I agree with other posters who find the victim-blaming uncomfortable - someone on another board actually called this girl a "teenaged famewhore" because she was smiling broadly in that picture of her and Andrew with his hand around her waist, but maybe the reason she was smiling as broadly as she was is because she was still young/naive enough to believe that princes were the stuff of fairytales and it was only after the photo was taken that she learnt that Andrew was just like all the other men that Epstein forced her to service. Sexual trafficking/exploitation comes in many guises - it's not just young naive girls from the Balkans who are trafficked and kept under lock and key in squalid surroundings. A girl can appear healthy and cared for (designer clothes, expensive blowdries, etc.) and still be coerced into performing sexual services even when it appears to the john that the whole thing of consensual - think of the stereotypical pimp and crackwh0re scenario, where women will do literally anything to get another hit of a drug they've become dependant on, often systematically so by the pimp/gang. You also have to bare in mind the hubris and sense of invincibility that most teenagers possess is ruthlessly exploited during the grooming process and they may not realise at the time that they are in fact being manipulated and exploited - they feel that they're the ones who are calling the shots and making the decisions since they don't consider themselves to be children and are all grown up now at the ripe old age of 15.

As for expectations, certain charities and other will have to do without a royal patron and it's not like people aren't charitably inclined anyway. Yes, there's Kate, but thing is, certain charities that have had royal patrons could of course end up looking at the possibility of doling out patronages to aristocrats.

No matter what, Andrew needs to go and what is the point of him doing charity? Everyone would know it's just for PR and not even honest interest.

You can't really substitute aristocrats for royals in this case, since it's the higher media profile that gives royal patronage such cachet - these days the only aristocrats who do get press are those who are linked to royalty or celebrity (have we ever seen George Percy featured in the press outside of Tatler - which has very low circulation figures btw - before Pippa's butt became famous?). Aristocrats tend to patronise smaller "local" charities based in or around their estate in a lord of the manor/noblesse oblige setup, whereas royals are able to champion causes on a national and even international level (Diana and land mines, Charles and environmentalism, William and the anti-poaching campaign). Better for the charities to ask for a celebrity with a genuine interest/link in the cause to act as patron instead - for example Ed Sheeran has got involved in and done work on behalf of Kate's charity EACH because his mother (or one of his mother's friends, can't remember which) was already involved in the fundraising. If Andrew were to retire from public life I suspect his patronages will simply be redistributed amongst the remaining working royals and spun into a "in the aftermath of the Epstein scandal the burden on the remaining Windsors is unfairly increased"-type PR drive.


Title: Re: Andrew's Scandal - Update: named in 'underage sex slave' lawsuit filed in U.S. court
Post by: Fly on the wall on January 08, 2015, 08:54:46 pm
Mother of three at center of Prince Andrew underage sex storm breaks cover in Colorado as she is accused of being 'a liar'
This is the woman at the center of the Prince Andrew underage sex storm, as she tries to go about a normal life after creating a crisis for the British royal family.

Virginia Roberts was pictured on a family outing to McDonald's near her home in a small town in Colorado, where she is living with her husband and three young children.

The 30-year-old mother of three claims that she slept with the prince when she was 17 and a victim of his billionaire friend Jeffrey Epstein, the convicted alleged pedophile.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2902212/Pictured-Mother-three-centre-Prince-Andrew-underage-sex-storm-accused-liar-claiming-slept-royal-American-lawyer.html



Title: Re: Andrew's Scandal - Update: named in 'underage sex slave' lawsuit filed in U.S. court
Post by: Kuei Fei on January 08, 2015, 08:58:41 pm
Considering what was done to her life, I think it's fair in trade.

Since she's being branded a liar, it only makes Andrew and Epstein even more suspect.


Title: Re: Kate jealous of Prince Andrew
Post by: Kuei Fei on January 08, 2015, 09:09:41 pm
Kate is finished. This will surely be one anti-HM article too many and I'm sure the palace is fed up to the teeth with Kate whining all the time.

  Those medds, they never know when to stop do they.
Just when you think they can sink no lower guess what?  They do.

That is the problem in a nutshell; the Middletons never know when to stop and keep going.

Usually if someone like Kate ends up pulling the stunts that she does, she ends up dumped and then charged with stalking/harassment (nonstop calls, following him around all the time, death stares to various friends, the fact revealed that she did coordinate her movements to run into him) and the Middletons are just out of control. It is so obvious that both Pippa and James are lucky that no one has filed criminal charges and no one has done worse than criminal charges.

Pippa didn't stop hinting about a relationship with Percy until some backdoor 'conferences' were held and now Percy no longer is seen with Pippa. Pippa promoted a possible love match with Harry until Harry himself publicly denied any kind of relationship at all with anyone.


Title: Re: Kate jealous of Prince Andrew
Post by: Aquitaine on January 08, 2015, 09:44:44 pm
I don't think this article was planted by Kate, the Midds or anyone else close to them (it's pretty well established that the Daily Mail is their paper of choice, and why would they leak to a Korean gossip site?); I just see this as a journalist trying to drum up page hits by mentioning the two British royals with the current highest media profile. I cannot believe that the writer would equate what Andrew did with what Kate did/does - I didn't see any mention of Uncle Gary and his "fresh young girls" comment, which would have actually been a better parallel to draw imo.

You can't really compare having sex with an underage girl, or at the very least associating with a shady millionaire/convicted alleged paedophile, to flashing, crotch shots and topless photos. I agree that Kate's behaviour is unacceptable for any woman operating in a professional capacity, let alone a woman in her position, but the two situations are completely incomparable. Andrew, at best, turned a blind eye to child grooming/trafficking, thereby tacitly agreeing with the exploitation of minors for wealthy men's sexual gratification, and at worse participated in it (which is what he has alleged to have done); when Kate is photographed with her skirt flying up, the person who's hurt most by it is Kate herself - the global reputation of the UK, its economy, and her citizens remain more or less the same regardless of what she does (or more accurately, doesn't do).


Title: Re: Kate jealous of Prince Andrew
Post by: gingerboy24 on January 08, 2015, 10:31:43 pm
^ Can see what you are saying, but I still think it smacks of the medds.  And I personally do think wasty has harmed the reputation of the monarchy with her intentional flashing.  Nobody had anything much to gain from that article other than to make wasty look good because of Andrew´s current situation.  Can´t see why a Korean paper would just want hits using their names, not as if everyone is going to read the paper again after that article is it.  Maybe wrong, just my opinion.  Always good to have an exchange of opinions and see how others view the same thing, I find it interesting. 


Title: Re: Kate jealous of Prince Andrew
Post by: india on January 08, 2015, 10:51:43 pm
The Faker is loving all of this about PA. Especially because he is the father of her 2 arch enemies the York girls. I feel so sorry for them.


Title: Re: Kate jealous of Prince Andrew
Post by: Kuei Fei on January 09, 2015, 12:43:45 am
Kate is stupid enough to think this is good, but if Andrew steps back from public life, guess what, she ends up landed with more work. The monarch won't make her take on more patronages, but there will be a lot of fill in that Kate will have to do to end up keeping things going until the duty work is restructured and some things let go.

Thing is, the monarchy will become twice as vulnerable and there might not BE a monarchy by the time that she ends up at that level.


Title: Re: Andrew's Scandal - Update: named in 'underage sex slave' lawsuit filed in U.S. court
Post by: Fly on the wall on January 09, 2015, 01:12:17 am
 
 THE Prince Andrew “sex slave” scandal has deepened — amid claims the royal’s pal Ghislaine Maxwell molested underage girls.

The daughter of late media tycoon Robert Maxwell is accused in US legal papers of lesbian attacks on teens.
http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage/news/6244744/Prince-Andrews-pal-Ghislaine-groped-teen-girls.html?CMP=spklr-128508300-Editorial-TWITTER-TheSunNewspaper-20150108-News



Title: Re: Kate jealous of Prince Andrew
Post by: Rosella on January 09, 2015, 01:52:50 am
Kate is stupid enough to think this is good, but if Andrew steps back from public life, guess what, she ends up landed with more work. The monarch won't make her take on more patronages, but there will be a lot of fill in that Kate will have to do to end up keeping things going until the duty work is restructured and some things let go.

Thing is, the monarchy will become twice as vulnerable and there might not BE a monarchy by the time that she ends up at that level.

The monarchy will be restructured in Charles's reign to a more manageable model on European and Scandinavian lines, IMO. The monarch and his consort, the heir and spouse and their eldest child will form the core royal family.

The others, cousins, spares etc will retire into private life. They, as private individuals, will have charities or not, as they wish. They might be called on occasionally to perform a royal duty, as the sisters of Scandinavian monarchs are.

The monarch and consort and heir and wife will, as in continental Europe deal with the ceremonial aspects and also head large Charitable Foundations, reflecting their own interests. All other charities will have to find other patrons.

The adults in the core royal family will be busy but no busier than the royal families of Spain, the Netherlands, Belgium etc. In fact, their time may be better spent.


Title: Re: Andrew's Scandal - Update: named in 'underage sex slave' lawsuit filed in U.S. court
Post by: windsor2 on January 09, 2015, 01:58:16 am
 :-X
JAN MOIR: What Harry must learn from useless Uncle Andrew
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His current situation packs a powerful warning for Prince Harry, his fellow second-string royal with an equally keen interest in the ladies.
It's not too late for Harry. I hope he looks long and hard at his uncle's difficulties, as Andrew desperately tries to slalom through the sleaze. I hope he ensures the same problems do not engulf him in middle age. I hope he stays away from Las Vegas pool parties and stays in the Army for as long as possible!
Please Harry — be diligent, be charitable but most of all, be good. The Royal Family might not survive another scandal like this one.


Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/femail/article-2902768/JAN-MOIR-Harry-learn-useless-Uncle-Andrew.html#ixzz3OHkEY2C0
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This is what we've been saying for quite a while. s long as Harry's kept busy, has focus with his charities and such and especially stays away from wasters and users like Guy Pelly and Cressida, he'll carve out  a meaningful life for himself. I love it when he goes to visit Sentable because he's doing something for others and can see how his role as a popular prince can aid in his efforts in supporting the Sentable kids.


Title: Re: Andrew's Scandal - Update: named in 'underage sex slave' lawsuit filed in U.S. court
Post by: Fly on the wall on January 09, 2015, 04:43:31 am
Alan Dershowitz tried to discredit girl who accused Jeffrey Epstein of violent physical attack

Harvard law professor recruited private investigators to track girl and suggested that the unnamed teenager was pursuing Epstein for money

Alan Dershowitz, the Harvard University professor accused alongside Prince Andrew of having sexual relations with a teenage associate of their friend Jeffrey Epstein, was also involved in an effort to discredit a teenage girl who accused Epstein of violent physical attack.

Dershowitz, who strongly denies the allegations about his own conduct, recruited private investigators to carry out inquiries on the girl while acting for Epstein’s defence team and sent police printed copies of her MySpace page, claiming it displayed a “fascination with marijuana”.

The professor also suggested, in a letter obtained by the Guardian, that the girl may be pursuing Epstein, a wealthy banker, for his money, and that as a drama student, she was an expert in misleading people.

The Guardian is aware of the identity of Epstein’s accuser, who is now 28, but is not naming her due to the nature of the alleged incident. She is referred to in police files as AH. She did not respond to a voice message and an email requesting comment on Tuesday.
http://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2015/jan/08/alan-dershowitz-girl-jeffrey-epstein-teenager


Title: Re: Kate jealous of Prince Andrew
Post by: CathyJane on January 09, 2015, 04:45:38 am
I'm thinking that when Liz and her gray men are ready, they will unleash all the crap the Midds have pulled, knocking Andrew off the headlines. I honestly don't think it will matter to Liz (or Chucky) if Willy gets caught in the middle of the mess. Liz because it's Willy's fault the Midds are in her face, and Chucky because he's Chucky.


Title: Re: Kate jealous of Prince Andrew
Post by: Kuei Fei on January 09, 2015, 05:02:29 am
Why is Kate so chronically jealous of everyone around her? She put herself in this situation, practically forced herself into this family and is suddenly hating everyone around her. Hates the Yorkies, practically drools over Harry, but then acts all prim and proper about his supposed 'bad side' and treats him like a dogsbody whne hse can.

After pushing Charles around via PR she's now declaring a PR war against the Queen. I really do think she's gone insane.

She's a subject of the Queen, but frankly she acts like she's in charge.


Title: Re: Andrew's Scandal - Update: named in 'underage sex slave' lawsuit filed in U.S. court
Post by: cate1949 on January 09, 2015, 07:09:20 am
well he was Epstein's attorney - that is what they do but it demonstrates a pattern of accuser intimidation and seeking to discredit the accuser they we are seeing again from him

I am surprised that the newspapers are not letting this go - it is as if they have had their suspicions about Andrew for whatever reasons and were just biding their time until they had something.  Well - they have something now.


Title: Re: Kate jealous of Prince Andrew
Post by: Stephie on January 09, 2015, 10:27:17 am
^ Absolutely... From reports popping up in the past few months, perhaps since the second pregnancy came about, she has definitely been coming off as feeling emboldened and "in charge". I can easily see her as a competitive bully type, and think this kind of aggressiveness, manipulation and entitlement attitude is part of how she kept other women away from Willy in the dating years.

Despite her failures and malfunctions since marrying, until recently, she's mostly been playing nice (in public and the press) to get "in" with the royals. Apparently, she's not getting the power and recognition she wanted and is going to play dirty to get it now. My question is, why don't the other royals put an end to it? -Give her a taste of her own medicine and put her in her place? Maybe they still will. They  need to stop taking their time already!


Title: Re: Kate jealous of Prince Andrew
Post by: Mandosiel on January 09, 2015, 12:25:23 pm
I think they're letting her show her true colours. To openly broadside her but be detrimental to them right now, or somehow be associated as attacking her in any way. Basically letting her dig her own grave before kicking her into it when the opportunity presents itself.


Title: Re: Andrew's Scandal - Update: named in 'underage sex slave' lawsuit filed in U.S. court
Post by: CathyJane on January 09, 2015, 04:56:44 pm
Would not surprise me in the least.


Title: Re: Andrew's Scandal - Update: named in 'underage sex slave' lawsuit filed in U.S. court
Post by: Fly on the wall on January 10, 2015, 01:35:09 pm
Peter Hunt@BBCPeterHunt
.@HUDVC tells @BBCr4today that @TheDukeOfYork plays a v important role+has made a massive contribution to the benefit of all those concerned

.@HUDVC to @BBCr4today on @TheDukeOfYork : he acknowledged that that friendship was a mistake (Epstein) and he apologised for it.

.@HUDVC on @TheDukeOfYork : we all make mistakes.


Title: Re: Andrew's Scandal - Update: named in 'underage sex slave' lawsuit filed in U.S. court
Post by: gingerboy24 on January 10, 2015, 03:52:54 pm
Yes, we all make mistakes, but most people don´t make the mistake of allegedly having illegal sex with under age girls  -  vast difference for an ittby bittiy mistake and what this critter is accused of.  He has been linked to this several times.  Obviously thinks as his ma is the queen he can get away with anything.  Dream on critter, the days of hiding everything from the public are long gone.


Title: Re: Andrew's Scandal - Update: named in 'underage sex slave' lawsuit filed in U.S. court
Post by: Val on January 10, 2015, 04:11:26 pm
Couldn't agree more and according to close sources there is a whole lot more to come out.   Apologising a total waste of time now.  Those abused are now being listened to and action taken.


Title: Re: Andrew's Scandal - Update: named in 'underage sex slave' lawsuit filed in U.S. court
Post by: Snowdrop on January 10, 2015, 04:36:46 pm
Apology too little too late and if his name hadn't come out I bet he wouldn't have been sorry then.  IMO the only thing he's sorry about is that he got caught


Title: Re: Andrew's Scandal - Update: named in 'underage sex slave' lawsuit filed in U.S. court
Post by: YooperModerator on January 10, 2015, 04:42:28 pm
What I don't see, and I could be mistaken, is any sort of "while we feel terrible about what allegedly happened to these girls" then to go on and say, "I absolutely deny any involvement in such an outrageous thing, blah blah".

IOW, all the statements have been denials and attacks.  I haven't read anywhere that anybody feels sorry for any woman/girl involved in this at any time thereby indicating that they have a soul or are thinking of other people.

This will only backfire.  Saying nothing was the only avenue if you're going to take that route.  Big mistake.


Title: Re: Andrew's Scandal - Update: named in 'underage sex slave' lawsuit filed in U.S. court
Post by: HRH Tiana of NOLA on January 10, 2015, 06:00:09 pm

You know, I don't think Andrew is out of the woods and I don't think it's going to get better for him. This is just eight days into the New Year and already it's only beginning to escalate.

To be honest, I don't think that anyone in this family is out of the woods. As more comes out about Andrew, journalists will naturally become curious about the goings on of those around them. It's only a matter of time before they start rifling through the rest of the Firm's closets and connect the dots.


Title: Re: Andrew's Scandal - Update: named in 'underage sex slave' lawsuit filed in U.S. court
Post by: Kuei Fei on January 10, 2015, 07:07:39 pm
I think this is like the "Affair of the Necklace;" the BRF isn't on trial or under investigation, but by proxy, the system might end up being on trial. This is likely why the BRF is getting so worked up about this. If Andrew is outed as a pervert, a deviant pervert, then this could end up with the BRF on trial and convicted by proxy.

What I don't see, and I could be mistaken, is any sort of "while we feel terrible about what allegedly happened to these girls" then to go on and say, "I absolutely deny any involvement in such an outrageous thing, blah blah".

IOW, all the statements have been denials and attacks.  I haven't read anywhere that anybody feels sorry for any woman/girl involved in this at any time thereby indicating that they have a soul or are thinking of other people.

This will only backfire.  Saying nothing was the only avenue if you're going to take that route.  Big mistake.

Denials and attacks can often show guilt, without an outright confession. It means that Andrew is on the defensive of his behavior, since he may realize that what he's been up to is WRONG, but a confession would result in him being dragged from the palace and lynched. So really, these accusations have hit a nerve.


Title: Re: Andrew's Scandal - Update: named in 'underage sex slave' lawsuit filed in U.S. court
Post by: HRH Tiana of NOLA on January 10, 2015, 07:14:02 pm
^ Exactly!


Title: Re: Andrew's Scandal - Update: named in 'underage sex slave' lawsuit filed in U.S. court
Post by: cate1949 on January 10, 2015, 07:46:36 pm
right - not a single expression of compassion for those girls or condemnation for epstein


Title: Re: Andrew's Scandal - Update: named in 'underage sex slave' lawsuit filed in U.S. court
Post by: Kuei Fei on January 11, 2015, 03:39:57 am
If I were innocent, I would first, not hang around a convicted alleged pedo or hang around a yacht loaded with topless underage girls.

Second, the BRF is not at all making a statement condemning Epstein and chastising Andrew for being so disgustingly stupid for hanging around Epstein.


Title: Re: Kate jealous of Prince Andrew
Post by: Kuei Fei on January 11, 2015, 05:51:14 am
If Andrew ends up being nailed to the wall (likeliest) then I am certain that HM will start rounding on other members of the BRF that make her life stressful and Kate will be in that firing line. The BRF has a long memory and I bet you guys that the vultures are circling around her even as we type. She's toast. This drama is the last thing HM needs right now and Kate is creating it zealously. I don't think HM could handle handing her second son (and favorite) to the law and putting up with Kate.

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^ Absolutely... From reports popping up in the past few months, perhaps since the second pregnancy came about, she has definitely been coming off as feeling emboldened and "in charge". I can easily see her as a competitive bully type, and think this kind of aggressiveness, manipulation and entitlement attitude is part of how she kept other women away from Willy in the dating years.

It is her energetic competitive edge that took her to the wedding altar, but oddly, she's been flagging. The 'finish line' is instead just another post in a long marathon.

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Despite her failures and malfunctions since marrying, until recently, she's mostly been playing nice (in public and the press) to get "in" with the royals. Apparently, she's not getting the power and recognition she wanted and is going to play dirty to get it now.

I do find it intriguing that she's not been offered any international role. I suppose she hopes that William gets the trade envoy role and then she can preen at all the posh places she would love to go, but regrettably I don't see that happening. She's starting at square one, not square ten, which after all her struggles, must feel like a slap in the face. She really did a lot of low things to herself to get that ring, so of course she's going to make the most of her new position. Yet she can't.

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My question is, why don't the other royals put an end to it? -Give her a taste of her own medicine and put her in her place? Maybe they still will. They  need to stop taking their time already!

After the topless mess in France, after wrecking HM's Jubilee and asking for her family to be on the flotilla, HM should have done some private slapping around. A HUGE milestone was damaged and Kate had the GALL to continue her antics and 'mistakes' long after that. I would have yanked the twenty room KP suite and pushed her out to work and yanked the clothing budget. No chance at any new frocks and unless Kate puts in a certain amount of charity work, no Mustique or other vacations.


Title: Re: Andrew's Scandal - Update: named in 'underage sex slave' lawsuit filed in U.S. court
Post by: danifaul on January 11, 2015, 06:14:45 am
Jeffrey Epstein: inside the decade of scandal entangling Prince Andrew
How a telephone call set off a cascade of FBI investigations, secret plea deals and lawsuits from Palm Beach, Florida, to Buckingham Palace as questions resurface over whether the disgraced financier used his wealth and power to elude justice

http://www.theguardian.com/world/2015/jan/10/jeffrey-epstein-decade-scandal-prince-andrew

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However, when it came to female associates, the evidence now suggests Epstein cultivated two separate spheres that rarely overlapped.

One – restricted to a small group of women co-opted as permanent fixtures in Epstein’s entourage – was rooted in that world of almost unimaginable luxury.

The other comprised working-class Palm Beach teenagers who told police they were enticed into giving massages and sometimes more at Epstein’s mansion with the promise of cash.

Lawyers for SG, the 14-year-old whose stepmother initially triggered the investigation into Epstein, for example, accused Epstein in a lawsuit of cynically seeking out “economically disadvantaged underage girls” who would be “less likely to complain to authorities or have credibility if allegations of improper conduct were made”.

 :thumbsup: article!


Title: Re: Andrew's Scandal - Update: named in 'underage sex slave' lawsuit filed in U.S. court
Post by: Kuei Fei on January 11, 2015, 06:40:07 am
Abused as a child. Dabbling with drugs. And now the aunt of Prince Andrew's alleged 'sex slave' Virginia Roberts reveals she is in fear for her life

    In court papers, Virginia Roberts claimed she slept with Prince three times
    She said she was working as a teen 'sex slave' for alleged paedophile Epstein
    Her aunt told how Ms Roberts, 31, fled Florida home several months ago
    Said she fled amid fears of reprisals from Epstein and his powerful friends


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The woman at the centre of the Prince Andrew under-age sex scandal was forced to flee her home and ‘fears for her life’, her aunt claimed last night.

Virginia Roberts, 31, sparked headlines around the globe when she filed sensational court papers claiming she slept with the Prince three times, including as a juvenile of 17 under Florida law, while working as a teen ‘sex slave’ for convicted alleged paedophile Jeffrey Epstein.

Last night Virginia’s aunt Carol Roberts Kess, a devout Mormon who helped raise her, spoke for the first time to tell how terrified Virginia fled her Florida home several months ago amid fears of reprisals from billionaire Epstein and his rich and powerful friends.

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‘She knew these court papers were coming out so she packed up and fled,’ Carol said.

‘She is frightened for her life. She has angered a lot of powerful and very rich people. Who knows what they could do?’

Carol, the sister of Virginia’s father Sky, said her niece is now living in a ranch ‘in the middle of nowhere’ in Colorado with her husband and three young children.

‘She doesn’t feel safe,’ retired teacher Carol added.

‘There are too many powerful people involved and she is saying things they don’t want made public.

‘Virginia was living a happy life in Florida but she packed up and left because she knew this was coming and was scared for her own life and that of her family.

‘Just before she left she told me she wouldn’t be able to contact any family members for a while – for our own safety. She said, “It’s for the best. I don’t want to put anyone in danger.”’

 http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2904911/Abused-child-Dabbling-drugs-Virginia-Roberts-s-aunt-reveals-Jeffrey-Epstein-girl-says-fear-life.html#ixzz3OUandZ00
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That poor woman; now fleeing for her life and living in fear.

Monsters, all of them and I hope Andrew does get summoned to appear in court.




Title: Re: Andrew's Scandal - Update: named in 'underage sex slave' lawsuit filed in U.S. court
Post by: LadyLaura on January 11, 2015, 06:45:35 am
Unfortunately, I know the fear the girl feels. Standing up to those in charge is a hard thing to do so I am more inclined to believe her. I hope she gets justice and does not back down.

That family, makes me so angry. I hope Andrew is finished.  :bat:


Title: Re: Andrew's Scandal - Update: named in 'underage sex slave' lawsuit filed in U.S. court
Post by: Kuei Fei on January 11, 2015, 06:57:21 am
Whenever a man refuses to own up to his knowledge or complicity in a crime, it means he was likely an accessory.

The BRF is being reactive, as if a nerve has been hit and I do think that right now the palace is feverishly figuring out how to handle this.

Andrew hung around this guy for years, he HAD to have known what was going on.


Title: Re: Andrew's Scandal - Update: named in 'underage sex slave' lawsuit filed in U.S. court
Post by: Diaphenous on January 11, 2015, 12:45:44 pm
I honestly think you will find that she turns up 'dead' somewhere having 'taken an overdose' because of the stress.  Think about it.  It is the only way they are going to stop this trial.  Having always disliked that arrogant man.  He truly sickens me just to look at him.


Title: Re: Andrew's Scandal - Update: named in 'underage sex slave' lawsuit filed in U.S. court
Post by: india on January 11, 2015, 03:00:40 pm
If she turns up dead then we all know that piece of sh*t Epstein or MI6 did it. She and her family should go into protective custody immediately.


Title: Re: Kate jealous of Prince Andrew
Post by: india on January 11, 2015, 03:08:31 pm
Just what is wrong with HM? Why doesn't she deal with this mess?


Title: Re: Andrew's Scandal - Update: named in 'underage sex slave' lawsuit filed in U.S. court
Post by: Fly on the wall on January 11, 2015, 04:19:31 pm
Prince Andrew: I have been foolish over friendship with Jeffrey Epstein
Duke of York has told friends of his deep regret at becoming involved with Epstein

 The Duke of York has accepted he has been a “fool” over his friendship with Jeffrey Epstein, the convicted sex offender.

Prince Andrew has found himself at the centre of a sex scandal over allegations he had intercourse on three occasions with a 17-year-old girl, supplied to him by Epstein, an American businessman.

The Duke strongly denies the allegations but has now told friends of his deep regret at becoming involved with Epstein. He also accepts the allegations have been “deeply uncomfortable” for the Royal family.

The Duke previously conceded he had made “an error of judgment” over meeting Epstein in New York in 2011 following the financier’s release from jail. But now he has gone much further in expressing his contrition.

A source close to the Duke told The Telegraph: “It would be crass and disingenuous to suggest that he has been unaffected by this.

 “He is watching the news and reading the headlines and even though the friendship with Jeffrey Epstein was acknowledged as being unwise back in 2011, the Duke has clearly had a long time this week for the consequences of that friendship to further sink in. More than ever, he can see how foolish it was.”

The Duke has also accepted he can never go to court to clear his name over the allegation that he had sex with Virginia Roberts, one of Epstein’s underage “sex slaves”, because such a legal action would do immense harm to the monarchy.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/theroyalfamily/11337843/Prince-Andrew-I-have-been-foolish-over-friendship-with-Jeffrey-Epstein.html



Jeeez Andrew you're not a child or a teen from the first time  Epstein was convicted you should of start cutting ties with him


Title: Re: Andrew's Scandal - Update: named in 'underage sex slave' lawsuit filed in U.S. court
Post by: Snowdrop on January 11, 2015, 04:20:54 pm
^ Too little too late


Title: Re: Andrew's Scandal - Update: named in 'underage sex slave' lawsuit filed in U.S. court
Post by: kolkomilko on January 11, 2015, 04:26:08 pm
PR. Unfortunately.


Title: Re: Kate jealous of Prince Andrew
Post by: Snowdrop on January 11, 2015, 04:30:58 pm
The Faker is loving all of this about PA. Especially because he is the father of her 2 arch enemies the York girls. I feel so sorry for them.

waity better not get any ideas about rubbing the York girls noses in "it" - her family are not exactly so sqeaky clean and the York girls are said to be very popular with ER.  Andrew, for all he is a s..t, is their father and IMO would come down on waity like a ton of bricks if she upset them or was found to be gloating - he is most likely on  a very short fuse at the moment.  Oh, on second thoughts - "Yes, go ahead waity,  do your worst and then you will be toast". 

I wouldn't put it past the RF to use waity/middies to deflect from Andrew's scandal


Title: Re: Andrew's Scandal - Update: named in 'underage sex slave' lawsuit filed in U.S. court
Post by: Snowdrop on January 11, 2015, 04:33:50 pm
 :thumbsup:


Title: Re: Andrew's Scandal - Update: named in 'underage sex slave' lawsuit filed in U.S. court
Post by: Fly on the wall on January 11, 2015, 04:38:53 pm
all this talk about him being loyal to his friend sticking by .so my Bff is a convicted sex offender running a sex slave ring with children and you still want to be buddy buddy with him?thats one friend you don't need . the Royals and their loyalty to scummy friends  :thumbsdown:  I cant see how no red flags went up for Andrew when hanging around  Epstein seeing these young girls running around





Prince Andrew ‘deeply affected’ by sex scandal and 'fears it turning into soap opera'

PRINCE ANDREW has been deeply affected by the impact of the “sex slave” scandal and realises he has shown poor judgment, sources close to him have revealed


Prince Andrew has been deeply affected by the impact of the “sex slave” scandal and realises he has shown poor judgment, sources close to him have revealed.

Even when he knew his friend Jeffrey Epstein had served a prison sentence for alleged paedophile offences he continued to socialise with him and was pictured with him in New York four years ago.

In a highly unusual move, a royal source has given an insight into how the 54-year-old Prince is finally facing up to the fact that he should have broken all contact with Epstein when the vast scale of his paedophilia became known.

The source said: “Of course he has been deeply affected by all this. He’s seen the headlines and he’s aware of all the commentaries.

“He acknowledged in 2011 that his friendship with Epstein was unwise but the extent of that poor misjudgment is much clearer now. He could fight it in the court of public opinion but it risks becoming a soap opera.

“When everyone went home for Christmas he was in a great place.

"He was enjoying his work and the feeling behind Palace gates was very positive in that he had finally found the right role after he and his team had taken a long hard look at themselves. Suffice to say the timing of all this is very unfortunate.”
http://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/551345/Prince-Andrew-deeply-affected-by-sex-slave-scandal-sources-say


Title: Re: Andrew's Scandal - Update: named in 'underage sex slave' lawsuit filed in U.S. court
Post by: gingerboy24 on January 11, 2015, 05:31:04 pm
He knew what he was doing.  Interesting that these articles have come out after several forums/blogs saying he has shown no remorse. All talk with him, he doesn´t mean a word of it.  What he really means is that he is grossly annoyed and irritated that it has all come out, and is remorseful that it has, nothing else.  He cares for nobody but himself.  Any sane person in his position would have dumped Epstein and as soon as they were aware that he was a alleged paedophile.  Should have heeded the old saying  -  show me your friends and I will tell you what you are.  Too late now randy andy, we know exactly what you are and what you get up to, and it is not pretty, or acceptabel, for anyone let alone a member of the British royal family.


Title: Re: Andrew's Scandal - Update: named in 'underage sex slave' lawsuit filed in U.S. court
Post by: Snowdrop on January 11, 2015, 06:55:41 pm
too right GB - he's only sorry he's got caught out


Title: Re: Andrew's Scandal - Update: named in 'underage sex slave' lawsuit filed in U.S. court
Post by: YooperModerator on January 11, 2015, 07:02:20 pm
I just lost what little, if any, respect I had for this guy and my distancing myself from it until the facts come out.  His remarks are all full of self-pity and the blasted Monarchy's reputation.  Not how it has hurt his own children, not the women involved, but the f'ing Monarchy?   I hope they throw the book at him.


Title: Re: Andrew's Scandal - Update: named in 'underage sex slave' lawsuit filed in U.S. court
Post by: AnaBolena on January 11, 2015, 07:37:51 pm
What has happened to innocent until proven guilty?  Ok, I'm looking logically, not emotionally.  'If the truth is being told' my empathy most certainly goes to the women, but if it isn't being told, or is being embellished, and I were in PA's position Id feel angry at being accused of such a vile thing.

Yes, his choice of friends is deplorable, but being brought up so closeted leaves one a bit naive to the 'ways of the world'. 

I do question whether this Virginia girl is telling the truth re PA and the other guy - high profile attorney who's name escapes me (who can prove it didn't happen). 

In the pic she has with PA - she's looking most happy, radiant and well cared for. There's not a sign of abuse even in her eyes.  I just get a feeling about everything not being up front.  And NO, I don't particularly care for PA, but I do care about alleged guilt.

I also wasn't aware that slaves get paid.  :-
I'd like to see some real evidence, not just a he said she said etc etc.



Title: Re: Andrew's Scandal - Update: named in 'underage sex slave' lawsuit filed in U.S. court
Post by: Rosella on January 11, 2015, 08:54:32 pm
What has happened to innocent until proven guilty?  Ok, I'm looking logically, not emotionally.  'If the truth is being told' my empathy most certainly goes to the women, but if it isn't being told, or is being embellished, and I were in PA's position Id feel angry at being accused of such a vile thing.

Yes, his choice of friends is deplorable, but being brought up so closeted leaves one a bit naive to the 'ways of the world'. 

I do question whether this Virginia girl is telling the truth re PA and the other guy - high profile attorney who's name escapes me (who can prove it didn't happen). 

In the pic she has with PA - she's looking most happy, radiant and well cared for. There's not a sign of abuse even in her eyes.  I just get a feeling about everything not being up front.  And NO, I don't particularly care for PA, but I do care about alleged guilt.

I also wasn't aware that slaves get paid.  :-
I'd like to see some real evidence, not just a he said she said etc etc.



Yes, people are innocent until proven guilty. Eventually, one would hope, we will have more facts than we have now and will be able to make a clearer judgement about things.


Title: Re: Andrew's Scandal - Update: named in 'underage sex slave' lawsuit filed in U.S. court
Post by: Kuei Fei on January 11, 2015, 08:56:35 pm
Virginia was likely brainwashed and not too bright intellectually. You need to understand that like grown women who for some reason choose jerks, it's conditioning. Just like you see kids who are being abused smile brightly for the cameras, they don't understand the magnitude of the damage being done to them.

I just lost what little, if any, respect I had for this guy and my distancing myself from it until the facts come out.  His remarks are all full of self-pity and the blasted Monarchy's reputation.  Not how it has hurt his own children, not the women involved, but the f'ing Monarchy?   I hope they throw the book at him.

You know, this is what ticks me off about the BRF.

They're upset about the monarchy, about Andrew's rep, about everything but the VICTIMS involved. The Windsors have a classic 'victim mentality,' all about them.


Title: Re: Kate jealous of Prince Andrew
Post by: Snowpea on January 11, 2015, 09:23:24 pm
I hope this brings down the Middleton's - some people are going to have to choose, their own blood or Billy boy's mistake. hmm? :think:


Title: Re: Kate jealous of Prince Andrew
Post by: Kuei Fei on January 11, 2015, 09:25:27 pm
Just what is wrong with HM? Why doesn't she deal with this mess?

I don't know, you would have to tell me why.


Title: Re: Andrew's Scandal - Update: named in 'underage sex slave' lawsuit filed in U.S. court
Post by: Alexandrine on January 11, 2015, 09:41:51 pm
merged threads....


Title: Re: Andrew's Scandal - Update: named in 'underage sex slave' lawsuit filed in U.S. court
Post by: YooperModerator on January 11, 2015, 09:53:44 pm
^Absolutely true, fair and balanced.  In my mind, however, even the media is upsetting to Andrew's own children so without him even thinking of mentioning it or anybody involved in it and how terrible he feels for those affected sends a very strong message to me of complete obliviousness to what his behavior has done to those closest to him.  Not the Monarchy. 

He appears to be disconnected from anybody but himself and that really bugs me.  Regardless of the outcome, there is some major damage done to his reputation and that reflects on people other than just himself.  He's not getting it.  That's my issue and it says a lot about is character and priorities.


Title: Re: Andrew's Scandal - Update: named in 'underage sex slave' lawsuit filed in U.S. court
Post by: KGap on January 11, 2015, 11:39:06 pm

You know, I don't think Andrew is out of the woods and I don't think it's going to get better for him. This is just eight days into the New Year and already it's only beginning to escalate.

To be honest, I don't think that anyone in this family is out of the woods. As more comes out about Andrew, journalists will naturally become curious about the goings on of those around them. It's only a matter of time before they start rifling through the rest of the Firm's closets and connect the dots.

As long as the establishment wants them they will stay. Lizzie offers huge protection. Once she is gone, it leaves Charles and William... Not exactly great choices.

It's a safe bet that the media protects them all a great deal. However, Andrew is notoriously unliked and I bet they are enjoying taking him down.


Title: Re: Andrew's Scandal - Update: named in 'underage sex slave' lawsuit filed in U.S. court
Post by: cate1949 on January 11, 2015, 11:55:59 pm
I don't know if he did what he is accused of - we will have to wait and see on that.  But I do know he associated with Epstein - he went to pool parties at Epstein's home when naked teenagers were present and after Epstein went to jail he continued to let Epstein throw parties in his honor - and let his ex wife take money from Epstein.  That has always been enough for me to think he is deplorable along with his friendship with the Kazakhstani guys, the arms dealer Quaddafi's son - enough already with this man.

I agree he expresses no sorrow - no compassion for the others hurt by this - it is so phony - insincere.


Title: Re: Andrew's Scandal - Update: named in 'underage sex slave' lawsuit filed in U.S. court
Post by: Kuei Fei on January 12, 2015, 12:00:10 am
You know, I don't think Andrew is out of the woods and I don't think it's going to get better for him. This is just eight days into the New Year and already it's only beginning to escalate.
To be honest, I don't think that anyone in this family is out of the woods. As more comes out about Andrew, journalists will naturally become curious about the goings on of those around them. It's only a matter of time before they start rifling through the rest of the Firm's closets and connect the dots.
As long as the establishment wants them they will stay. Lizzie offers huge protection. Once she is gone, it leaves Charles and William... Not exactly great choices.

It's a safe bet that the media protects them all a great deal. However, Andrew is notoriously unliked and I bet they are enjoying taking him down.

I don't think the BRF is out of the woods at all. Since 2011 HM has been nothing if not vulnerable and I'm certain that more will come out as time goes by. Even HM is unable to make this go away.


Title: Re: Andrew's Scandal - Update: named in 'underage sex slave' lawsuit filed in U.S. court
Post by: india on January 12, 2015, 12:36:48 am
 I have always heard from people that know Prince Perv that he is quite stupid and quite arrogant. He should just man up and say that he was there and did all that this girl said he did and that he had no idea that she was 17 years old. And face the music.


Title: Re: Andrew's Scandal - Update: named in 'underage sex slave' lawsuit filed in U.S. court
Post by: Fly on the wall on January 12, 2015, 03:07:22 am
Prince Andrew's guards 'turned a blind eye': Yard officers watched as Duke partied with young girls, says Epstein's butler

turning a blind eye during his visits to a alleged alleged paedophile friend's 'house of sin'.
Protection officers accompanied the royal to Jeffrey Epstein's Florida mansion where he allegedly partied with naked young women.
Juan Alessi, who was Epstein's butler for 11 years, said: 'Andrew was with security. He had his two bodyguards from Scotland Yard. I can remember their names.
'The bodyguards were off duty and they slept in one of the guest bedrooms.'
Hundreds of under-age girls are said to have been abused at Epstein's mansion and one woman says she was forced by the shamed financier to have sex with Andrew when she was 17, which is below the age of consent in Florida.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2905850/Andrew-s-guards-turned-blind-eye-Yard-officers-watched-Duke-partied-young-girls-says-Epstein-s-butler.html?ito=social-twitter_dailymailUK.


Prince should forfeit Swiss trip, say MPs: Sir Menzies Campbell among senior politicians saying Andrew's presence would be a distraction
away from a business conference in Switzerland amid controversy about his friendship with billionaire alleged paedophile Jeffrey Epstein.
The prince usually attends the World Economic Forum in Davos, hosting private receptions and meetings.
But he is in the spotlight over toxic claims – which he has emphatically denied – that he had sexual relations with an under-age girl linked to Epstein.
Sir Menzies Campbell has suggested he may not be welcome at this year's conference, which runs from January 21 to 25.
'This is a time for discretion rather than distraction,' said the former Lib Dem leader. Katy Clark, Willie Bain and Ann McKechin, Labour MPs on the House of Commons business committee, are also said to have suggested he should stay away.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2905907/Prince-Andrew-not-come-World-Economic-Forum-says-Sir-Menzies-Campbell.html



Title: Re: Andrew's Scandal - Update: named in 'underage sex slave' lawsuit filed in U.S. court
Post by: windsor2 on January 12, 2015, 04:04:46 am
He's a selfish fool who was brought up to believe that he can do no wrong because his bad behavior has been excused and covered up whilst others are blamed. He'll never have any empathy for anyone and will only think of
"how dare they" and carry on as if this has nothing to do with him as it's too below him. This is the result of treating royalty as if they're above all and are special instead of being lucky enough to be in their position. If guilty, he should have to pay the piper.


Title: Re: Andrew's Scandal - Update: named in 'underage sex slave' lawsuit filed in U.S. court
Post by: gingerboy24 on January 12, 2015, 11:08:55 am
I found this, not sure if recent or not, but looking at the tee shirt on sale for fitness am guessing recent.  Never heard of this site before, and could well be a spoof, no idea, but certain sentences did give me a chuckle, although I will say the words are a bit on the graphic side.  Seems someone else bedded by randy andy (shock, horror, gasp, as if  :James:) has crawled out of the wood work.  As I say, a bit of graphic wording, so be aware.

http://www.thepoke.co.uk/2015/01/06/prince-andrew-has-diana-tattoo-down-there-claims-woman/



Title: Re: Andrew's Scandal - Update: named in 'underage sex slave' lawsuit filed in U.S. court
Post by: Diaphenous on January 12, 2015, 01:24:16 pm
What you guys fail to understand is that the WHOLE FAMILY are involved in paedophilia and satan worshipping.  There is plenty of evidence over the internet if you care to look.  Paedophilia is committed by people at the very top of the Establishment and permeates all through Government, the judiciary, police etc etc to this day.  Our policiticians are pretty much protected but issues keep coming to light.  Unfortunately, they expose people who have already died to keep the public quiet.  Look at how many people have been knighted that have proven to be paedophiles.  The whole thing is totally sick.  We have secret courts in this Country which take people's children away from them under the guise of 'for their own protection'.  They are never seen again.  It isn't just in this Country, it is throughout the world.  A great many people in positions of power are totally sick individuals that should, quite frankly, be put down.  If you actually do some research and believe me, I have read countless articles and watched numerous videos by really good sources,  you will be totally shocked.


Title: Re: Andrew's Scandal - Update: named in 'underage sex slave' lawsuit filed in U.S. court
Post by: gingerboy24 on January 12, 2015, 01:39:07 pm
^Excellent post.  I too have read and watched many articles/videos.  Sadly, the whole paedophilia situation starts at the very top, starting with the royals, and works its way down.  Many scapegoats, many people dispensed with, it is a very large Pandora´s Box. Trouble is most people don´t want to believe it. PP is well know for paedophilia and his penchant for young boys, I think they are weaned on it.  Again, starts at the top and goes right down to the lowest feeders. It is because there are so many in the Establishment, politics etc that it always gets covered up and nothing ever done about it. Believe me, I know everything you say is true.  A lot of what is out there to be read is sickening, vile and disgusting.  But not reading it, or ignoring it, will not make it go away, unfortunately.  More need to read and believe.  Look at chucky with so-vile.  If innocent why was it all held back and a lot of the released report blacked out. We know the answer.  As for the wives of these people, they obviously must turn a blind eye, which in my view makes them as bad, if not worse, than their partners.  As women and mothers why do they not see the harm being done?  They don´t want to, let´s not rock the boat.  We can but hope that with the advent of the internet, more people willing to speak up and many seeing through these sections leading the public, world wide, that some day something will get done about it.  Prince andrew is not sorry at all, or remorseful, about these young girls.  What he is sorry and remorseful for is his alleged involvement being front page news and ruining his reputation, nothing more.  He and his ilk treat the rest of the public like dirt beneath their feet.  Our tax money is not dirt though is it, the very money that keeps them in such a privileged and luxurious life style.  There is far more available to read on the internet than many would even think, and it is all a shock and a complete eye-opener.


Title: Re: Andrew's Scandal - Update: named in 'underage sex slave' lawsuit filed in U.S. court
Post by: Fly on the wall on January 12, 2015, 03:48:56 pm
I found this, not sure if recent or not, but looking at the tee shirt on sale for fitness am guessing recent.  Never heard of this site before, and could well be a spoof, no idea, but certain sentences did give me a chuckle, although I will say the words are a bit on the graphic side.  Seems someone else bedded by randy andy (shock, horror, gasp, as if  :James:) has crawled out of the wood work.  As I say, a bit of graphic wording, so be aware.

http://www.thepoke.co.uk/2015/01/06/prince-andrew-has-diana-tattoo-down-there-claims-woman/

Yeah it's a spoof  they even have a story about HM going on  The Jeremy Kyle show for a DNA test cause of the Richard  III evidence of infidelity in her family tree.


Title: Re: Andrew's Scandal - Update: named in 'underage sex slave' lawsuit filed in U.S. court
Post by: gingerboy24 on January 12, 2015, 04:04:36 pm
I think HM has more to worry about these days than DNA tests for Richard III   lol lol  Her own family is such a mess it beggars belief.  A totally dysfunctional family and no mistake.


Title: Re: Andrew's Scandal - Update: named in 'underage sex slave' lawsuit filed in U.S. court
Post by: Val on January 12, 2015, 05:27:29 pm

^
It is being said that 2015 will be the year it is all coming out and long overdue.   There must be hundreds of paedophiles shivering in their boots knowing that it is only a matter of time.


Title: Re: Andrew's Scandal - Update: named in 'underage sex slave' lawsuit filed in U.S. court
Post by: Kuei Fei on January 12, 2015, 05:37:46 pm
It's about time the Windsors were held responsible for their behavior. They make me so sick.


Title: Re: Andrew's Scandal - Update: named in 'underage sex slave' lawsuit filed in U.S. court
Post by: LadyLaura on January 12, 2015, 06:42:41 pm
Ginger Boy and Diaphanous I agree fully with your posts. The internet is rampant with well researched articles on pedophilia and satanism in the royal family and other elite bloodlines. It's not just sick fantasies, this stuff really goes on. Bill Maloney, Chris Spivey, Matt Taylor, David Icke, Mark Passio and many others have good documentaries about what really goes on in the BRF.

these people are not like us! they know they have immunity and they have ONE rule; DO AS YOU WILL.

They do sick perverted things because they enjoy it, and they know they can get away with it.

These alleged pedophile rings they start at the top! In my opinion the Queen and her cronies are guilty of allowing these *violent physical attack* and murders, because as long as their immune rich asses are covered that's all they care about.


I'm quite angry over this, I do Hope Andrew gets what is coming. Nobody is immune from Karma my prince.


Title: Re: Andrew's Scandal - Update: named in 'underage sex slave' lawsuit filed in U.S. court
Post by: Kuei Fei on January 12, 2015, 07:14:03 pm
This might be just me, but this explains WHY the BRF isn't the first choice for decent people.

It's like something that any perceptive person senses, they see or somehow pick up that something is off about the BRF. Same feeling we and others get about the Midds, we kind of realize that our instincts are telling us to stay away from all that.

It's telling that the only types genuinely interested in socializing with the BRF and extended aristocracy are those with horrendously deviant habits. Epstein, Fergie, other various types like Savile and Branson (who has just come across as a complete egomaniac), among so many others.


Title: Re: Andrew's Scandal - Update: named in 'underage sex slave' lawsuit filed in U.S. court
Post by: gingerboy24 on January 12, 2015, 07:16:37 pm
^ and ^^  Excellent posts ladies.  maybe wimpo was attracted to similar people, who knows.


Title: Re: Andrew's Scandal - Update: named in 'underage sex slave' lawsuit filed in U.S. court
Post by: HRH Tiana of NOLA on January 12, 2015, 07:35:52 pm
You know what they say about birds and feathers....


Title: Re: Andrew's Scandal - Update: named in 'underage sex slave' lawsuit filed in U.S. court
Post by: Kuei Fei on January 12, 2015, 08:29:09 pm
Tell me about it. I'm certain that at some point Andrew is about to start slipping down, sinking quickly as he ends up being caught out on camera/photo. I sincerely believe HM is a monster for covering this up, for looking the other way as she's always done. As for William, I don't know. Yet I do know that he hangs around the Midds.

As for Fergie, she's just as bad, if not worse. She has such GALL knowing all about this, but letting those poor children be exploited for money. All the while KNOWING.


Title: Re: Andrew's Scandal - Update: named in 'underage sex slave' lawsuit filed in U.S. court
Post by: HRH Tiana of NOLA on January 13, 2015, 01:21:48 am
I have zero tolerance for anyone who hurts a child or stands by while a child is hurt. There is absolutely no excuse for it.


Title: Re: Andrew's Scandal - Update: named in 'underage sex slave' lawsuit filed in U.S. court
Post by: Kuei Fei on January 13, 2015, 01:25:05 am
B@stards, the whole vile lot of them.

I can't forgive this, I just can't.

I can't forgive any one person in the BRF, they surely knew all about this and stood by.


Title: Re: Andrew's Scandal - Update: named in 'underage sex slave' lawsuit filed in U.S. court
Post by: gingerboy24 on January 13, 2015, 10:42:43 am
Trouble is they possibly see nothing wrong with it because it is rife within their own family.  How any woman, whoever she is and whatever her status, can know things like that are going on in the family and turn a blind eye is totally beyond my understanding.  In one way it makes you as bad as the people carrying out these atrocities on young children, if not worse.  Turning a blind eye is cowardly and burying your head in the sand, but then we know HM does that all the time.  No wonder her whole family are so vile, no control at all.


Title: Re: Andrew's Scandal - Update: named in 'underage sex slave' lawsuit filed in U.S. court
Post by: Snowdrop on January 13, 2015, 10:55:10 am
ITA GB but then remember that some women actually procur children for abuse - not just turn a blind eye - Myra Hindley for starters. 

It is awful to think that, from the very top down,  the very people that until recently were pretty much respected are actually the lowest of the low and only deserve contempt 


Title: Re: Andrew's Scandal - Update: named in 'underage sex slave' lawsuit filed in U.S. court
Post by: Diaphenous on January 13, 2015, 01:03:18 pm
In Canada in the 60's HR and PP visited a children's home and took 10-12 children on a picnic.  The children were actually given a good meal before their visit and told that they were having really important guests.  The children that went on the picnic were made to kiss the Queen's white laced up boots.  They were never seen again.  Those that testified as to what happened all ended up dead.  What does that tell you.  It is all very well documented.


Title: Re: Andrew's Scandal - Update: named in 'underage sex slave' lawsuit filed in U.S. court
Post by: Fly on the wall on January 13, 2015, 02:48:24 pm
Rebecca English@RE_DailyMail
Duchess of York on the Today show in US defending the Duke of York....while flogging a new food blender. He is 'humongously good', she says.


Sarah Ferguson defends 'good man' Prince Andrew on underage sex claims
http://www.today.com/news/sarah-ferguson-defends-good-man-prince-andrew-underage-sex-claims-1D80418486


Title: Re: Andrew's Scandal - Update: named in 'underage sex slave' lawsuit filed in U.S. court
Post by: Val on January 13, 2015, 03:08:20 pm


^
Doesn't she just want to make you throw up!    Totally lacking an intelligent cell in her befuddled brain.


Title: Re: Andrew's Scandal - Update: named in 'underage sex slave' lawsuit filed in U.S. court
Post by: Fly on the wall on January 13, 2015, 04:14:06 pm
^she was really getting irritated how Matt kept pressing those questions . you can see she's easy to trip up she cant keep it together



alleged alleged pedophile Jeffrey Epstein partied with his society fixer Ghislaine Maxwell the very day police started investigating him – as questions mount over her relationship with President Bill Clinton
Wrapped in the embrace of her ex-lover Jeffrey Epstein, Ghislaine Maxwell cannot help but beam as the pair pose for the cameras.

For her, it was another night out on New York's social scene, but for him it was a unique appearance in front of the camera.

Rarely was the mysterious billionaire - now a convicted alleged alleged alleged pedophile - seen in public, let alone in the full gaze of the spotlight at a celebrity bash.

But neither could guess what was to follow as they partied the night away on March 15, 2005, at a Manhattan charity event featuring singer Rod Stewart.

Indeed, it was on this very day that the Palm Beach Police Department launched a sexual battery investigation that would lead to Epstein being charged and jailed for offences with under-age girls.

Ghislaine, his ex-girlfriend, would be accused of acting as a 'procurer' of young girls for Epstein.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2906981/How-Jeffrey-Epstein-partied-Wall-Street-Ghislaine-Maxwell-day-police-started-investigating-him.html



Title: Re: Andrew's Scandal - Update: named in 'underage sex slave' lawsuit filed in U.S. court
Post by: Kuei Fei on January 14, 2015, 01:10:53 am
'Teen diary belonging to the woman who claims she had underage sex with Prince Andrew reveals explicit details of their night in London'

Virginia Roberts claims that she slept with the prince when she was 17
Roberts claims in diary he was 'concentrating at my plunging V-neck top' during a dinner in London
Alleges they went to club where the Royal was 'fondling her on dance floor'
Says they went to London townhouse and they had a bath during which time Prince Andrew 'licked her toes'
Claims they had sex and then he quickly got up and left the townhouse
The Duchess of York, passionately defended her ex-husband during an interview on the Today show on Tuesday morning
Buckingham Palace has strongly denied the allegations
WARNING: GRAPHIC LANGUAGE


Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2908852/Teen-diary-belonging-woman-claims-underage-sex-Prince-Andrew-reveals-explicit-details-night-London.html#ixzz3OknKzxSM

It's all coming out.

A detailed diary detailing everything, this is huge. Now all our officers need is a chance to verify this and it'll all come out in due order.
Follow us: @MailOnline on Twitter | DailyMail on Facebook


Title: Re: Andrew's Scandal - Update: named in 'underage sex slave' lawsuit filed in U.S. court
Post by: Rebecca on January 14, 2015, 03:10:10 am
In Canada in the 60's HR and PP visited a children's home and took 10-12 children on a picnic.  The children were actually given a good meal before their visit and told that they were having really important guests.  The children that went on the picnic were made to kiss the Queen's white laced up boots.  They were never seen again.  Those that testified as to what happened all ended up dead.  What does that tell you.  It is all very well documented.

I apologize if this is veering off topic, but I have heard bits and pieces of this story before but haven't researched further. It is almost too sick and disturbing to believe.  As a mother it is upsetting to think of any child being treated in this way.  I can't understand why this family, with riches and opportunities beyond anything most could dream of, cant use their money and influence to help others, instead of hurting them. Particularly children, who are the weakest among us.......


Title: Re: Andrew's Scandal - Update: named in 'underage sex slave' lawsuit filed in U.S. court
Post by: cate1949 on January 14, 2015, 03:47:26 am
the story has been debunked many times


as for Fergie and Andrew - Fergie would be more of a help if she just shut up her performance today did no good for Andrew - she really looked foolish and suspicious

And I do hope they have something to back these accusations up - if for no other reason than we will never have to see Andrew and Fergie again!

As for the BRF just ignoring it - so did Katie Couric, George Stephanopolous and a host of NY glitterati.  Epstein did a good job of making everything disappear until these girls filed the suit.   


Title: Re: Andrew's Scandal - Update: named in 'underage sex slave' lawsuit filed in U.S. court
Post by: Kuei Fei on January 14, 2015, 09:26:15 am
I am so GLAD that these girls filed that suit.


Title: Re: Andrew's Scandal - Update: named in 'underage sex slave' lawsuit filed in U.S. court
Post by: Val on January 14, 2015, 09:44:32 am

In the US courts, you are guilty until you prove your innocence. They have to have enough
proof before charging and arresting. If there is enough, then they get the warrant and the
State Prosecuters can have him charged. They must have solid proof. A judge must see the proof
and be 100% certain they are guilty, then signs the warrant.

US take longer to arrest and charge as they MUST have solid proof, unshakable to arrest
or you get sued for false arrest. So somewhere there is proof, hence the charge.

In the UK the RPO's can be subpoenaed as any confidentiality agreement is overridden by that. It is no good saying they were in bed asleep - their brief is for someone to be with their charge/principle ALL THE TIME!

Andrew was named in a US action in their courts and not the UK which is the reverse, innocent until proven when the defense builds a case as does the Prosecutor


Title: Re: Andrew's Scandal - Update: named in 'underage sex slave' lawsuit filed in U.S. court
Post by: Kuei Fei on January 14, 2015, 10:04:17 am
Val, I never looked at it that way before.

So yes, I believe that if a US judge signs a warrant or some kind of court order, a motion to require Andrew to appear, this means that there will be cast iron proof.

I wonder what this will do to US/UK relations in the long run.


Title: Re: Andrew's Scandal - Update: named in 'underage sex slave' lawsuit filed in U.S. court
Post by: Ariel on January 14, 2015, 10:50:30 am
well, the Clintons know how to hold a grudge. so, if Andrew is summoned - he can't betray his pal to save his behind


Title: Re: Andrew's Scandal - Update: named in 'underage sex slave' lawsuit filed in U.S. court
Post by: Kuei Fei on January 14, 2015, 11:01:09 am
Thing is, Andrew will never recover from this. Chances are he'll likely either have to retire from public life since his charities will drop him (or quietly ask him to resign as patron) and of course, diplomats and other VIPs will be disgusted, along with the fact that he'll be a public relations liability.

I find it odd how Cameron isn't running to the rescue.


Title: Re: Andrew's Scandal - Update: named in 'underage sex slave' lawsuit filed in U.S. court
Post by: Stephanie on January 14, 2015, 11:17:44 am
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2908322/Prince-Andrew-s-ex-wife-Sarah-Ferguson-slams-sex-slave-allegations-salacious-lies-insists-humongously-good-man.html
Fergie, who wasn't there when Randy allegedly raped a minor and was/is on Epstein's payroll ,attacks the victim.


Title: Re: Andrew's Scandal - Update: named in 'underage sex slave' lawsuit filed in U.S. court
Post by: Snowdrop on January 14, 2015, 11:21:15 am
^She should shut her mouth and keep it shut IMHO


Title: Re: Andrew's Scandal - Update: named in 'underage sex slave' lawsuit filed in U.S. court
Post by: Stephanie on January 14, 2015, 11:38:27 am
^
Yup, zip it up and pull a paper bag over that hideous face.
http://www.holymoly.com/sites/default/files/imagecache/mobile_450/WENN_t_London-Last-Nightv042314.JPG


Title: Re: Andrew's Scandal - Update: named in 'underage sex slave' lawsuit filed in U.S. court
Post by: Kuei Fei on January 14, 2015, 11:40:42 am
^She should shut her mouth and keep it shut IMHO

She won't, she's too stupid to realize that not everything is about her.


Title: Re: Andrew's Scandal - Update: named in 'underage sex slave' lawsuit filed in U.S. court
Post by: Freya on January 14, 2015, 11:41:14 am
Quote
I find it odd how Cameron isn't running to the rescue.

I think Cameron is taking a "fence sitting" stance on this because he does not know which way it will go. If he backs Andrew and then has to U turn that would be bad for him in the election year. No one knows what the outcome of this scandal will be but mud sticks and whatever the outcome Andrew's reputation will be tainted.



Title: Re: Andrew's Scandal - Update: named in 'underage sex slave' lawsuit filed in U.S. court
Post by: Val on January 14, 2015, 12:09:16 pm


^
Cameron is a well know brown noser of the RF.   The fact that he is saying nothing is extremely significant.   The Election run down has already started and he is treading very very carefully.  I was a Tory all my adult life including doing much fundraising and holding big events at my home but no longer.   The paedophilia scandal reaches in to the RF, Establishment and government etc etc and they are all covering for each other (as is being reported everywhere.)


Title: Re: Andrew's Scandal - Update: named in 'underage sex slave' lawsuit filed in U.S. court
Post by: Diaphenous on January 14, 2015, 12:23:42 pm
Too right Val and Samantha Cameron is an Astor, some of the biggest paedophiles and devil worshippers on this planet.


Title: Re: Andrew's Scandal - Update: named in 'underage sex slave' lawsuit filed in U.S. court
Post by: Stephanie on January 14, 2015, 01:12:07 pm
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2908852/Teen-diary-belonging-woman-claims-underage-sex-Prince-Andrew-reveals-explicit-details-night-London.html
After the alleged abuse Randy ran off zipping his pants with the chauffeur still waiting. :ick:


Title: Re: Andrew's Scandal - Update: named in 'underage sex slave' lawsuit filed in U.S. court
Post by: Snowdrop on January 14, 2015, 02:17:10 pm
Such a gentleman


Title: Re: Andrew's Scandal - Update: named in 'underage sex slave' lawsuit filed in U.S. court
Post by: MelissaRose on January 14, 2015, 02:46:57 pm
Fergie needs to *be quiet*, I caught a glimpse of her on the One Show last night and she was manic. By getting involved she's making a fool of herself.


Title: Re: Andrew's Scandal - Update: named in 'underage sex slave' lawsuit filed in U.S. court
Post by: Ariel on January 14, 2015, 04:23:59 pm
just look at her face - she looks like the evil witch from the fairytales. she looks ugly, angry and fake. so fake. i dont know if andrew knew about this interview but she's bringing more damage than help. let's say - Andrew is convicted. if I was on the girl's place I'll sue for millions for defamation of character and false accusations. and then i'll give the number of the settlement sum to the press. that should teach this arrogant woman a lesson. and what's with the 'slender' figure - she should have looked at her arms. you can tell that she never went to the gym.


Title: Re: Andrew's Scandal - Update: named in 'underage sex slave' lawsuit filed in U.S. court
Post by: gingerboy24 on January 14, 2015, 04:28:05 pm
Thing is, Andrew will never recover from this. Chances are he'll likely either have to retire from public life since his charities will drop him (or quietly ask him to resign as patron) and of course, diplomats and other VIPs will be disgusted, along with the fact that he'll be a public relations liability.

I find it odd how Cameron isn't running to the rescue.

Good post, but I think part of the problem is that a lot of diplomats and VIP´s more than likely have their own "vice rings" to try and cover/hide. Paedophilia is rife in many high Establishments and Government areas, purely and simply because they all cover for one another, and if anything reported or mentioned it is quashed immediately and never comes to light.  I would imagine if all paedophilia and under age sex was indeed uncovered many would be shocked at the people in high places who indulge themselves in these disgusting and vile deeds.

@ Val  - yes, correct, a very good friend of mine studied International Law and you are spot on. Read your comment and gave her a call to verify it.  If the RPO´s are indeed subpoena´d then unless HM or someone else steps in, which would be common knowledge and do the UK no good whatsoever, then they will have to comply.

As for fergie, she knows exactly what randy andy gets up to. She is doing him more harm than good by banging on about it, anything to sell a juicer or whatever.  And what has she done to her face, it looks truly awful.  If she has had a face lift then she needs to ask for a full refund plus compensation. She could audition for a horror movie with that face.   Between her current look, her banging on about randy andy and trying to sell her juicer (or whatever) she sure is out for her moment in front of the camera isn´t she, at any cost to randy andy.  In his shoes I would tell her to zip it, and fast.

As for Cameron, agree, he is keeping his nose out of it, for once.  So we must assume he possibly knows the truth.  He won´t want to get his hands dirty with the election coming up will he.  Like all these people, at the end of the day the only ones they care about are themselves, nobody else, selfish and self centred to the core.

Interesting re Sam Cam being related to the Astors, another good reason for Cameron to keep his mouth closed, could find mud being slung at the Astors for what they get up to as well.  I tell you, paedophilia is rife with many in high places, they are such a vile and disgusting lot.  I would be careful if in their shoes, all of them, cover-ups no longer seem to be the order of the day, randy andy has opened a gap in that big thick dam, and it might never close close up  -  and I hope it doesn´t.


Title: Re: Andrew's Scandal - Update: named in 'underage sex slave' lawsuit filed in U.S. court
Post by: Stephanie on January 14, 2015, 07:45:38 pm
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2909756/Married-teacher-took-16-year-old-girl-pupil-s-virginity-store-cupboard-spared-prison-judge-says-groomed-HER.html
Coincidence?
Now that Randy turns out to be an alleged child rapist suddenly it is okay to abuse a minor. :ick: :ick:


Title: Re: Andrew's Scandal - Update: named in 'underage sex slave' lawsuit filed in U.S. court
Post by: gingerboy24 on January 14, 2015, 09:47:18 pm
British court though, randy andy if he has to go to trial it will be a US court, mama has no jurisdiction there.


Title: Re: Andrew's Scandal - Update: named in 'underage sex slave' lawsuit filed in U.S. court
Post by: Kuei Fei on January 14, 2015, 10:02:33 pm
It'll be entertaining seeing him try to wiggle his way out of trouble, possibly try to avoid any kind of appearance in the court. If he's served a warrant though, he'll have to either appear or end up like Roman Polanski. Never setting foot on US soil/territory or any place with an extradition treaty with the United States.


Title: Re: Andrew's Scandal - Update: named in 'underage sex slave' lawsuit filed in U.S. court
Post by: Ariel on January 15, 2015, 05:02:45 am
^can this be too good to be true. if he's summoned and refuses to go - all the world will know what a coward he is, how he couldn't crawl under his mommy's skirt for protection and that he has something to hide... a confession.


Title: Re: Andrew's Scandal - Update: named in 'underage sex slave' lawsuit filed in U.S. court
Post by: Rosella on January 15, 2015, 05:49:05 am
The Woman's Day magazine here in Australia has Kate, Eugenie and Beatrice on the front cover under the headline 'Royals in Crisis'. As well as going through the Andrew mess again, plus his devastated daughters' reaction, it says Kate has long had an aversion to her uncle-in-law. As a result Andrew, noticing that Kate disliked him, persuaded the Queen that Kate would have to curtesy to his daughters!

The Queen, it says, is desperately disappointed in Andrew, privately describing his friendship with Epstein as 'very poor judgement.' She 'summoned him to the palace to explain himself.'

The article then goes on about Andy having an argument with Kate at Christmas about shooting, which apparently Kate is against until George is a teenager. Andrew sent George a plastic gun! William was incensed but Kate asked him to leave it alone.

Beatrice and Eugenie are 'utterly distraught' about the claims and Kate's heart 'has gone out to them'. 'A close friend of Kate's told the magazine that Kate has never been particularly welcomed by Beatrice or Eugenie, but she does feel very sorry for them-and she and Wills were in agreement that any past pettiness from them shouldn't stop him from doing everything he can to be supportive in this most awful of times'.

The article finishes off with this gem.

An 'insider'  says "This is a nightmare for the royals-a decade of global goodwill could be wiped out in one fell swoop. Given how hard Will and Kate have worked to restore the monarchy's standing, you can understand their despair.

If there is any silver lining to be found, it is perhaps that Kate can now distance herself from Andrew, who she always felt was an unpleasant influence.'

I don't know when I've enjoyed an article more. I needed a good laugh!


Title: Re: Andrew's Scandal - Update: named in 'underage sex slave' lawsuit filed in U.S. court
Post by: gingerboy24 on January 15, 2015, 11:40:36 am
What a load of pure clap trap.  Wasty is lucky anyone in that family even breathes the same air as her. As for silver lining  -  giving wasty the opportunity to distance her self from randy andy, I rather suspect he distanced himself from her at the very beginning.  As for having a row with him at Christmas about shooting, against it until sprog older  -  you are either anti shooting or not, can´t just defer it until later.  As for being incensed about a plastic gun, show me a little boy who has never had a plastic gun, a pretty normal thing.

Just who the heck do this lazy duo think they are.  And I rather suspect wasty should look to her own family before casting stones at the Windsors, they are no innocents, and most of us have a pretty fair idea of what pa and fester do that never seems to get talked about, both clients of Killing Kittens in their day, and as for fester, we know he does drugs.  Wasty should remember, people in glass houses shouldn´t throw stones. Bet the medds have many skeletons in their cupbaord they don´t want to fall out, but at the rate she is going the family will be so reviled the doors will be opened and all reveals.  Pious and arrogant little baggage, a nobody who thinks she is above everyone else, She wishes  -  not on this planet she isn´t, most consider her to be scum and not fit for the job  -  which she isn´t as she has proved time and again.

I reckon the person who wrote that article must have been let loose for the day, obviously not a decent brain cell in that head.


Title: Re: Andrew's Scandal - Update: named in 'underage sex slave' lawsuit filed in U.S. court
Post by: Val on January 15, 2015, 12:40:32 pm
Couldn't  agree more and apparently the staff find her detestable and laugh at her and her family.  Some sort of vote in one of the palaces of who is disliked more Wasty and family or the hapless Fergie blabbing her mouth off everywhere in support of alleged *nasty* Andy.   Seems Wasty is the most disliked which says it all!!


Title: Re: Andrew's Scandal - Update: named in 'underage sex slave' lawsuit filed in U.S. court
Post by: Snowdrop on January 15, 2015, 12:59:49 pm
It seems there is no end to this filth - this shows how many politicians are actually known to be paedos and how many of them get away with it.  It is time it became more widely known about these people  - it is simply disgusting to think that many of our politicians behave like this, esp when they get away with it

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aL-7nuVtLrk


Title: Re: Andrew's Scandal - Update: named in 'underage sex slave' lawsuit filed in U.S. court
Post by: gingerboy24 on January 15, 2015, 02:17:02 pm
^Everywhere now Snowdrop as you say.  Found this on Facebook, it has gone viral big time  -  nothing like social media for spreading things world-wide.  About time too, all their dirty secrets need to be exposed, including the drug running.  Seems the rf thought if they put out a denial it would all go away  -  they wish, obviously not media or people savvy at all.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=egxHLgV--dc


Title: Re: Andrew's Scandal - Update: named in 'underage sex slave' lawsuit filed in U.S. court
Post by: Ariel on January 15, 2015, 08:49:25 pm
it would have if Andrew or Fergi had any integrity to back it up. but they don't and people don't fall for this manipulation attempt.


Title: Re: Andrew's Scandal - Update: named in 'underage sex slave' lawsuit filed in U.S. court
Post by: Kuei Fei on January 15, 2015, 10:27:05 pm
Andrew should cut a deal; immunity from any possible charges, but only after her names names and those names are found out to be guilty. If he knows anything, he should be able to end up giving credible information, which after verified, can be used in exchange for him being let off the hook for anything.


Title: Re: Andrew's Scandal - Update: named in 'underage sex slave' lawsuit filed in U.S. court
Post by: YooperModerator on January 15, 2015, 10:47:05 pm
^Not in my book.  It just continues the same privileged mindset that doesn't take personal integrity and responsibility as requirements in their day to day living.  If he's guilty, let a judge or jury decide that one if they press charges against him.


Title: Re: Andrew's Scandal - Update: named in 'underage sex slave' lawsuit filed in U.S. court
Post by: Ariel on January 15, 2015, 11:33:53 pm
i for one would like to see Andrew pay for what he did. the only valuable piece of information that he has is that his mother is the queen of England.  even if he has something of value - he should be very foolish to say anything. Epstein was a billionaire and didn't talk. preferred jail to talking ... because if he talks the friends in high places (senators, former presidents, prosecutors) will fall and drag him with them and he'll have to look over his shoulder for the rest of his life. and crawl into a mice's hole because the ultra rich society will drop him, like Fergie's university ditched her.


Title: Re: Andrew's Scandal - Update: named in 'underage sex slave' lawsuit filed in U.S. court
Post by: Kuei Fei on January 15, 2015, 11:54:11 pm
Sorry, it was my inner bleeding heart coming out.

I don't think HM can protect Andrew over something like this. I'm certain of it.

Someone or something is tearing at the House of Windsor, ripping at it ferociously and I'm certain that Andrew wouldn't be so mixed up in it publicly if not for this mysterious factor.

I do think Andrew's days as a working royal in any capacity are numbered and I wonder how the York princesses are going to come out of this.


Title: Re: Andrew's Scandal - Update: named in 'underage sex slave' lawsuit filed in U.S. court
Post by: india on January 16, 2015, 12:30:09 am
I really do feel sorry for those girls. Good Lord. Both of their parents. So embarrassing and so bad.


Title: Re: Andrew's Scandal - Update: named in 'underage sex slave' lawsuit filed in U.S. court
Post by: YooperModerator on January 16, 2015, 01:55:32 am
Oh, it must be a nightmare for the girls.  Young women, really.  As cruel as this sounds, though, for me, I hope he gets punished if he is indeed guilty of any wrongdoing.  I don't care what's best for him but it's the best thing for these young women to learn that you are not removed from accountability in that outrageously dysfunctional world of the BRF.

IF this is true, PA is/was a grown man in search of only one thing and that's personal pleasure with the added benefit of zero fear of recrimination.  If that turns out to be the case, it's high time, in my mind, for a little visit to a place very few of them have been:  Reality.


Title: Re: Andrew's Scandal - Update: named in 'underage sex slave' lawsuit filed in U.S. court
Post by: Kuei Fei on January 16, 2015, 02:19:42 am
Time for the BRF to reevaluate who is and who isn't deserving of their position and protection.

A HUGE reason royal families attract the wrong people is because they protect the members from their past and as a result, zero accountability.

I always thought that these recent consorts are attracted to these families because these families prevent family members from being held accountable for their past actions and whitewash everything. Then of course, the PR campaigns and the past is expected to be forgotten.

So really, with the complete unaccountability and the refusal to hold anyone responsible for anything, no wonder Waity was determined to join the RF.

If HM puts Andrew into the hands of the law, she'll save the monarchy.


Title: Re: Andrew's Scandal - Update: named in 'underage sex slave' lawsuit filed in U.S. court
Post by: kolkomilko on January 16, 2015, 11:36:19 am
What about HM thinks she'll destroy the monarchy otherwise?  :cookie: Anyway I agree with you, she should do it.


Title: Re: Andrew's Scandal - Update: named in 'underage sex slave' lawsuit filed in U.S. court
Post by: Diaphenous on January 16, 2015, 12:21:05 pm
I am sure that I read somewhere that 'Mummy' had manage to protect him from having to appear in Court in the USA.  As for Fergie, when she appeared on Television with wild eyes in a manic interview, she said something like 'the people in America know my integrity'.

I nearly choked on my cornflakes!!!   :laugh:


Title: Re: Andrew's Scandal - Update: named in 'underage sex slave' lawsuit filed in U.S. court
Post by: Diaphenous on January 16, 2015, 12:25:55 pm
The thing is that Andrew has shone a spotlight into a very dark and disgusting corner.  Whilst people are appalled about him, there have been plenty of suspicions about everyone else and these will also now open up for debate and hopefully the momentum will gather to expose these disgusting people and hopefully be their downfall.


Title: Re: Andrew's Scandal - Update: named in 'underage sex slave' lawsuit filed in U.S. court
Post by: Rosella on January 16, 2015, 12:52:36 pm
I am sure that I read somewhere that 'Mummy' had manage to protect him from having to appear in Court in the USA.  As for Fergie, when she appeared on Television with wild eyes in a manic interview, she said something like 'the people in America know my integrity'.

I nearly choked on my cornflakes!!!   :laugh:

The Queen didn't do anything to interfere with US courts. Jeffrey Epstein struck a deal protecting any co-defendants (who were never named) at the time of his trial.


Title: Re: Andrew's Scandal - Update: named in 'underage sex slave' lawsuit filed in U.S. court
Post by: Kuei Fei on January 16, 2015, 03:28:51 pm
I think HM might end up making the same mistake, thinking that protecting Andrew will protect the dynasty, but it'll only do worse damage, finish the dynasty off.

What about HM thinks she'll destroy the monarchy otherwise?  :cookie: Anyway I agree with you, she should do it.

Yes, HM is stupid enough to think that; after all, instead of targeting an uppity mistress, she targeted the wife.


Title: Re: Andrew's Scandal - Update: named in 'underage sex slave' lawsuit filed in U.S. court
Post by: danifaul on January 16, 2015, 10:47:45 pm
Royal Insight: Prince Andrew WILL attend royal trip to Davos

PRINCE Andrew will attend the forthcoming trip to Switzerland despite more lurid headlines surrounding claims he slept with a teenage girl abused by his billionaire American financier friend Jeffrey Epstein.

The Duke, 54, is due to represent the Queen at the World Economic Forum in Davos on January 21 and today Buckingham Palace formally announced
the high-profile visit by posting on the Duke's facebook page.
http://www.express.co.uk/news/royal/552097/Prince-Andrew-royal-trip-Davos

 :wopedo: shame

Prince Andrew and a gaggle of giggling girls

PRINCE Andrew’s penchant for partying was revealed in pictures yesterday as it emerged he had received a string of gifts from foreign leaders.

http://www.express.co.uk/news/royal/552051/Pictures-reveal-Prince-Andrew-s-penchant-partying

 :wopedo: and more party
at least .... they have more than 18.


Title: Re: Andrew's Scandal - Update: named in 'underage sex slave' lawsuit filed in U.S. court
Post by: danifaul on January 17, 2015, 07:21:31 am
exactly :sigh: Robert
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Robert Jobson @theroyaleditor  ·  9 h Há 9 horas
The Duke of York has confirmed he intends to attend the World Economic Forum in Davos, my view --- Mistake

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Victoria Arbiter ‏@victoriaarbiter  9 hHá 9 horas
@theroyaleditor will be a bigger mistake if he pops to his new chalet afterwards!

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Robert Jobson ‏@theroyaleditor  8 hHá 8 horas
@victoriaarbiter the story in US is unfolding daily -- Davos will be a media circus & leave HRH totally exposed

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Victoria Arbiter ‏@victoriaarbiter  8 hHá 8 horas
@theroyaleditor agreed. I expect all those attending would rather he weren't there too, but business as usual is the royal way.
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Robert Jobson@theroyaleditor
Campaigners against child abuse have asked Scotland Yard to investigate claims that teen was trafficked to London to romp with #PrinceAndrew

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‏@song_title  9 hHá 9 horas
@theroyaleditor PRINCE ANDREW IS THE QUEEN'S FAVOURITE SON ... !!! Treason all the things said against him !

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‏@theroyaleditor  9 hHá 9 horas
@song_title Davis will become a media circus - mistake

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@theroyaleditor  9 hHá 9 horas
@song_title What if a media organisation turns up there with Miss Roberts ? Tv reporters will be shouting questions ... It's an error


Title: Re: Andrew's Scandal - Update: named in 'underage sex slave' lawsuit filed in U.S. court
Post by: gingerboy24 on January 17, 2015, 12:51:04 pm
Just when is HM going to wake up and smell the coffee.  Just why is she not putting her foot down and telling him he cannot go.  Who rules who in that family, because HM doesn´t seem to be in control. We have chucky and camzilla, the lazy duo and now randy andy, all making fools of her and doing their darndest to bring the monarchy down.  Why are the courtiers and TPTB allowing it all to happen, surely someone can take this totally dysfunctional family in hand.  At the rate HM is buryng her head in the sand the monarchy will come crashing down before she passes.  Absolute stupidity letting randy andy go to the business event.


Title: Re: Andrew's Scandal - Update: named in 'underage sex slave' lawsuit filed in U.S. court
Post by: kolkomilko on January 17, 2015, 01:07:19 pm
 ^ Yes, I think she should be firm! Who does control RF? I've been thinking about it for a long time.  :angry:


Title: Re: Andrew's Scandal - Update: named in 'underage sex slave' lawsuit filed in U.S. court
Post by: Snowdrop on January 17, 2015, 01:20:47 pm
andrew's attendance is a disgrace - Cameron is sitting on the fence whenever he is asked about andrew and the current  scandal but IMO the fact that he is allowing him to reperesent the UK says it all. 

The RF may not mind being made a laughing stock world-wide but the UK people do


Title: Re: Andrew's Scandal - Update: named in 'underage sex slave' lawsuit filed in U.S. court
Post by: gingerboy24 on January 17, 2015, 03:19:15 pm
Wonder if there is a reason for allowing him to go to Switzerland.  The Swiss refused to extradite Polanski for his (alleged) sexual abuse of an underage girl.  And as I recall did they not also say they would refuse to extradite someone else to the Americans, cant think of the name now.´ Maybe he will stay at his Swiss chalet and not come back.  Thought it a bit odd to be buying a Swiss chalet over there with fergie, aren´t we always being told she is hard up, bankrupt, short of cash.  Who knows, these days nothing surprises me with this lot.  Might have foreseen it coming and put things into place.  Only a thought, could be way off kilter here.


Title: Re: Andrew's Scandal - Update: named in 'underage sex slave' lawsuit filed in U.S. court
Post by: Snowdrop on January 17, 2015, 04:28:18 pm
No GB - you're spot on :worship: 

If that is the reason for him going to Switzerland won't that be seen by many as an admission of guilt?  Surely an innocent man would want the chance to clear his name in court?


Title: Re: Andrew's Scandal - Update: named in 'underage sex slave' lawsuit filed in U.S. court
Post by: HRH Tiana of NOLA on January 17, 2015, 05:04:41 pm
^ An innocent man, especially one who has two daughters, would be proclaiming his innocence from the highest of rooftops.

The fact that he is being allowed/encouraged to go shows just how out of touch and entitled the whole lot of them are, from ER on down.


Title: Re: Andrew's Scandal - Update: named in 'underage sex slave' lawsuit filed in U.S. court
Post by: LadyLaura on January 17, 2015, 05:29:46 pm
Is he really going!!! They have no shame or respect do they.

Andrew and the whole establishment need to answer to a whole lot of sick deeds going on in the Gov. (and it's not just in Britain, not targeting)

How dare he go! I hope someone throws eggs at him.  :shy:


Title: Re: Andrew's Scandal - Update: named in 'underage sex slave' lawsuit filed in U.S. court
Post by: Val on January 17, 2015, 06:13:05 pm
They often use this MO - say they are going then find an excuse not to at the last minute.  It will cost a fortune in security as rumour has it that the egg throwers (and worse) are gathering force!   Not looking good for Cameron who appear so be condoning it by allowing 'our representative' to attend.


Title: Re: Andrew's Scandal - Update: named in 'underage sex slave' lawsuit filed in U.S. court
Post by: gingerboy24 on January 17, 2015, 07:24:19 pm
The sooner we get rid of this vile family, the whole lot of them, the better.  HM seems to think they are all perfect and do nothing wrong.  Prepared to take anything they throw at her, and think we, the public, should lie down and accept it all. Well, looking at papers these days and the public feeling, the peasants are starting to revolt.  She needs to get her head out of the sand and deal with things before they explode and everything is taken out of her hands. She has had every opportunity over the last few years to deal with things, but no, she has buried her head in the sand with her sons and grandson, and now look how it has all escalated.  Had she dealt with it at the time a lot of this could have been prevented.  She ought to watch out, she could go down in history as the weakest monarch Britain ever had.  How she can even think of allowing randy andy to go to the Swiss engagement is beyond me.  Has she stopped to think the others attending might not want him there.  People in general do not take kindly to anyone who allegedly performed sexual acts illegally with an under age girl. a big no no for most of us.  He is so arrogant I have no doubt he does not see why it is not a good idea for him to go - unless he does plan on staying there.


Title: Re: Andrew's Scandal - Update: named in 'underage sex slave' lawsuit filed in U.S. court
Post by: Val on January 17, 2015, 08:06:20 pm
QE and TPTB will also be aware that for Andrew to have been named in a US court case the judge has to be pretty well 100% certain of guilt so to bury her head in the sand and hope it will go away is inexcusable.


Title: Re: Andrew's Scandal - Update: named in 'underage sex slave' lawsuit filed in U.S. court
Post by: Snowdrop on January 17, 2015, 08:12:01 pm
^Put simply - ER is the pits.  Why we have to bow and scrape to these people is beyond me.  I would gladly go to an event she is attending just for the cance to turn my back on her when she walks past.  IMO nothing will change until members of the public start shouting out/asking awkward questions or just plain behaving badly eg throwing eggs - maybe, just maybe, then she will wake and smell the coffee and realise how despised they are becoming


Title: Re: Andrew's Scandal - Update: named in 'underage sex slave' lawsuit filed in U.S. court
Post by: Kuei Fei on January 17, 2015, 10:22:14 pm
If any one GOOD thing comes out of this mess, it will be that the scales fall from our eyes and end up seeing HM as she really is, the greedy, enabling sow.


Title: Re: Andrew's Scandal - Update: named in 'underage sex slave' lawsuit filed in U.S. court
Post by: Rosella on January 17, 2015, 11:07:06 pm
If any one GOOD thing comes out of this mess, it will be that the scales fall from our eyes and end up seeing HM as she really is, the greedy, enabling sow.

KF, Queen Elizabeth is the queen of UK and Commonwealth members who post here. Please, please, don't call an 88 year old woman, who has worked hard for her country all her adult life, names. Andrew is a man of over 50 years old. What he has done and not done is entirely of his own choosing.


Title: Re: Andrew's Scandal - Update: named in 'underage sex slave' lawsuit filed in U.S. court
Post by: starsailor on January 17, 2015, 11:54:14 pm
I think the case will end up as usual when people have lots of money and power. It's very sad and not fair, but that's how such cases usually end up. They will make a deal and he will get out of the scandal as if nothing happened. DSK and the maid come to mind. He some kind of got away with it (even though his reputation is ruined now). The poor woman.


Title: Re: Andrew's Scandal - Update: named in 'underage sex slave' lawsuit filed in U.S. court
Post by: Fly on the wall on January 18, 2015, 01:17:10 am
Prince Andrew's convicted billionaire friend 'didn't want black girls', claims his alleged sex slave as she accuses him of demanding a 'constant influx' of young girls

Jeffrey Epstein demanded a 'constant influx' of nubile teenagers to please him and his wealthy friends - but would have turned anyway anybody black, it has been claimed.

The billionaire financier's supposed sexual preferences were revealed by the woman who claims that she was his teenage sex slave - and was forced to sleep with Prince Andrew as part of her servitude.

Virginia Roberts, now 30, described life as one of his harem in a conversation with lawyers, which was filed to a court in Palm Beach, Florida, according to Page Six.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2914715/Prince-Andrew-s-convicted-billionaire-friend-didn-t-want-black-girls-claims-alleged-sex-slave-accuses-demanding-constant-influx-young-girls.html

Prince Andrew fights back with a Davos denial: Duke's bid to bury underage 'sex slave' claims with dramatic TV appearance

Prince Andrew will speak publicly for the first time this week about claims that he abused an underage girl introduced to him by his friend, the convicted alleged paedophile Jeffrey Epstein.

In the first example of a senior Royal discussing intimate details of their private lives since Princess Diana’s sensational Panorama interview in 1995, the Duke of York will take the highly unusual step of facing a TV camera to deny the allegations levelled against him.

His intervention will come in front of around 300 captains of industry and politicians as he hosts his annual British business reception at the World Economic Forum in Davos, Switzerland, on Thursday.

Normally the event is off-limits to the media, but this year the Prince will invite a TV camera into the drinks party as he issues a further denial of the claims that he had sex three times with the then 17-year-old Florida schoolgirl Virginia Roberts in London, New York and the Virgin Islands in 2001.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2915022/Prince-Andrew-fights-Davos-denial-Duke-s-bid-bury-underage-sex-slave-claims-dramatic-TV-appearance.html



Title: Re: Andrew's Scandal - Update: named in 'underage sex slave' lawsuit filed in U.S. court
Post by: Kuei Fei on January 18, 2015, 01:50:02 am
First, he's making a mistake by not staying inside until his appearance. This will hang over him at Davos.

Second, a public TV interview where he fights the claims could be used against him in court IF evidence of his participation surfaces.

Third, is he aware that the questions are going to likely either be scripted or he'll make a huge blunder?


Title: Re: Andrew's Scandal - Update: named in 'underage sex slave' lawsuit filed in U.S. court
Post by: Rosella on January 18, 2015, 02:15:08 am
I think Andrew is being extraordinarily stupid in both going to Davos when it's blindingly clear that no officials want him there and also speaking out about his grubby doings. However the man is incredibly dumb and thick-skinned, so what else is new!


Title: Re: Andrew's Scandal - Update: named in 'underage sex slave' lawsuit filed in U.S. court
Post by: YooperModerator on January 18, 2015, 02:25:29 am
He's making this 'statement' at the media cocktail party?  Does he not see how flippant that is?  The first thing any attorney says to a client who may be brought up on charges is to keep their mouth shut.  All I can think is that he has lived in fantasy land for so long and in an untouchable world that he has never considered that in the US it's the evidence and testimony that matters.  He seems to think that if he says it isn't so, that's the last word.

No.  I really wish the judge involved in this could put a gag order on him.  He's only giving evidence that can be used against him and any journalist worth their salt will ask extremely probing questions that he will either have to answer or evade which is what I predict he will do and look like a complete a$$.

I'd love to tell him that this isn't about HIM.  This is about the law and a civil suit that could turn his life upside down if any prosecutor takes the evidence and charges him with it.  This is obliviousness, arrogance and entitlement taken to the extreme and quite disgusting to me. 


Title: Re: Andrew's Scandal - Update: named in 'underage sex slave' lawsuit filed in U.S. court
Post by: Creepy on January 18, 2015, 03:01:29 am
I know he is not PC or QE but maybe they though it was a good move to make a statement to "his" people while making the US justice system "remember" how "important" he is...  but on if they know they are getting away with this one... Just a estrategy imho.


Title: Re: Andrew's Scandal - Update: named in 'underage sex slave' lawsuit filed in U.S. court
Post by: Stephanie on January 18, 2015, 11:05:50 am
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2915022/Prince-Andrew-fights-Davos-denial-Duke-s-bid-bury-underage-sex-slave-claims-dramatic-TV-appearance.html
Randy will go on national television!
He will ruin the Davos conference for his own personal gain while there allegedly is a mountain of evidence waiting to be exposed. :ick: :ick:


Title: Re: Andrew's Scandal - Update: named in 'underage sex slave' lawsuit filed in U.S. court
Post by: Kuei Fei on January 18, 2015, 11:19:51 am
I'm going to avoid the self-serving interview to avoid becoming sick to my stomach.

As for Davos, he'll be a disgraceful distraction and should be forbidden to attend.


Title: Re: Andrew's Scandal - Update: named in 'underage sex slave' lawsuit filed in U.S. court
Post by: Ariel on January 18, 2015, 11:50:04 am
i think that the prosecutors need to hurry up. If he set foot to Swiss he'll proclaim that he's slandered and will ask for sanctuary there so that the evil layers dont bring him to justice.


Title: Re: Andrew's Scandal - Update: named in 'underage sex slave' lawsuit filed in U.S. court
Post by: Snowdrop on January 18, 2015, 11:56:54 am


How dare he go! I hope someone throws eggs at him.  :shy:

Don't waste the eggs - stink bombs would be more appropriate


Title: Re: Andrew's Scandal - Update: named in 'underage sex slave' lawsuit filed in U.S. court
Post by: kolkomilko on January 18, 2015, 12:34:23 pm
It is a bad thing to let Andrew escape and not stand face to face with people. What a shame!


Title: Re: Andrew's Scandal - Update: named in 'underage sex slave' lawsuit filed in U.S. court
Post by: Val on January 18, 2015, 03:02:08 pm
Massive security operation being organised as we speak on the tax payers dime.   Thousands of incensed people ready to voice their opinions by hurling everything imaginable according to reports?


Title: Re: Andrew's Scandal - Update: named in 'underage sex slave' lawsuit filed in U.S. court
Post by: gingerboy24 on January 18, 2015, 10:23:19 pm
If any one GOOD thing comes out of this mess, it will be that the scales fall from our eyes and end up seeing HM as she really is, the greedy, enabling sow.

Good post KF - couldn´t agree more.  I am British and I can´t find anything nice about her these days, read too much about her.  I am not alone in thinking like this, the tide is turning in the UK, her lack of manning up to situations and dealing with them, burying her head in the sand.  She is a very weak willed woman, and could well go down in history as that.  I for one would have no sympathy.  She has shown her true colours and they are not pretty, not at all.


Title: Re: Andrew's Scandal - Update: named in 'underage sex slave' lawsuit filed in U.S. court
Post by: Kuei Fei on January 18, 2015, 10:50:50 pm
You know, if Kate did anything right, she married in and showed the world the BRF for who they truly are.


Title: Re: Andrew's Scandal - Update: named in 'underage sex slave' lawsuit filed in U.S. court
Post by: Val on January 18, 2015, 11:12:27 pm
^

Couldn't agree more, my eyes have been well and truly opened.


Title: Re: Andrew's Scandal - Update: named in 'underage sex slave' lawsuit filed in U.S. court
Post by: Kuei Fei on January 18, 2015, 11:19:27 pm
I hope Labor gets a new Prime Minister in office and the new minister will go to town on the BRF, just like Blair did in a lot of ways.

I think a new streamlining is in order and time for the Yorks to be cut out and kicked off the gravy train. Tough on the Yorkie princesses, but tough bananas. They have trust funds galore and Beatrice is mainly vacationing and obviously not interesting in earning her own way and Eugenie is in the States.

So there's no point in giving them duties or appearances. It's time for the mask to come off and start MAKING the Yorkies plan on a non-royal duty life.


Title: Re: Andrew's Scandal - Update: named in 'underage sex slave' lawsuit filed in U.S. court
Post by: Fly on the wall on January 18, 2015, 11:24:19 pm
Andrew hires top lawyer to fight under-age sex claims: Prince employs 'grandfather of the bar' to help fight allegations as he prepares to make first public appearance

Prince Andrew has enlisted the help of one of Britain's top defence barristers after being accused of sleeping with an under-age 'sex slave', the Mail has learned.

The Duke of York faces extraordinary claims – which he strongly denies – that he had sex with a 17-year-old American girl who was being paid by his friend, the convicted alleged paedophile Jeffrey Epstein.

This week, he will attend the meeting of the World Economic Forum in Davos, his first public appearance since the allegations by Virginia Roberts in a US lawsuit.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2915934/Andrew-hires-lawyer-fight-age-sex-claims-Prince-hires-grandfather-bar-help-fight-allegations-prepares-make-public-appearance.html




Title: Re: Andrew's Scandal - Update: named in 'underage sex slave' lawsuit filed in U.S. court
Post by: Kuei Fei on January 18, 2015, 11:29:18 pm
Andrew is getting nervous. Normal to hire a lawyer to handle him, but I just wonder, will Andrew listen to the good advice?

Quote
The Mail understands Andrew will stay on after the reception to attend scheduled sessions on Friday as part of a 'business as usual strategy'.
'He has work to do and wants to get on with it,' the source said.

Just 'getting on with it' is no longer an option anymore and at some point I'm certain that there won't be too much business going his way after all this is over.


Title: Re: Andrew's Scandal - Update: named in 'underage sex slave' lawsuit filed in U.S. court
Post by: YooperModerator on January 19, 2015, 12:35:07 am
^That's the big question.  Will Andrew listen to this attorney?  I've checked and this Clegg guy provides advice out of his jurisdiction, i.e., the US, I would presume.  His first advice, after canceling this ill-advised trip, should be to get a US attorney more familiar with our laws and mindset.  My guess is that Andrew has minimal understanding of our judicial system.  He's shown, to me, that he isn't getting how deeply serious this could be for him if the judge handling the civil trial approves the Victims Rights Act in this case and then it's a media firestorm when the prosecutor starts making charges.  That's what this is all about.


Title: Re: Andrew's Scandal - Update: named in 'underage sex slave' lawsuit filed in U.S. court
Post by: Kuei Fei on January 19, 2015, 01:06:02 am
If Andrew refuses to follow US law/procedures I do believe that it will create bad vibes between Britain and the US; law is law and it should be followed. Andrew apparently won't be doing an interview, but if he continues as if nothing is happening his lawyer won't be able to help him. A lawyer can be tops, but if the client is uncooperative, then I believe the case can still be lost. A lawyer is often only as good as his clients are willing to help the lawyer help them. If Andrew refuses to cooperate with a court summons or answer questions, then I'm sure that his top lawyer won't be able to prevent Andrew from damaging himself.


Title: Re: Andrew's Scandal - Update: named in 'underage sex slave' lawsuit filed in U.S. court
Post by: cate1949 on January 19, 2015, 01:23:18 am
The woman who has made the claim against Andrew wants to be part of the lawsuit filed by two other women against the US Fed Prosecutor - so she has to prove she too was a victim hence the allegations made in the papers filed to allow her to join these other women in their suit.  I have not heard of the judge ruling  yet that she can join the suit - the judge could rule against her which would end any legal claims by her.  So there are steps still to be taken.

 One assumes her lawyers - who are reputable attorneys - would not allow her to make these allegations if there was no proof at all.  She and the attorneys claim they have proof.  A jury will decide - if she is allowed to join the suit - if the proof is credible.

No charge has been filed against Andy and it will a long time  before all the possible pieces of this case get resolved and played out - this will go on for years.  Since Andy has not been charged - what the heck is he getting a lawyer for?  Is he going to sue her for liable?  Oh that would be great - he would then have to testify in a US court.  I rather suspect Andy does not want to do that nor would the government etc so I really do not see why he is getting this lawyer - what are his options? 

I still wonder if his denial isn't of the Clinton sort - basing his denial on a very specific definition of "sex".

Whatever - this is going to last quite awhile.


Title: Re: Andrew's Scandal - Update: named in 'underage sex slave' lawsuit filed in U.S. court
Post by: YooperModerator on January 19, 2015, 01:31:44 am
^Exactly.  We don't know if the judge will allow the Victims Act to apply and allow for the suit to continue beyond her claims.  Once that happens it goes to a federal prosecutor.  I agree that no attorney in the US of the caliber that the women are using would take this case if they thought this wouldn't happen.  From everything I've read about their attorneys they're top shelf. 

The likelihood of this, therefore, being prosecutable is high.  PA lawyering up is a very bad move on his part, I believe.  Dershowitz has suddenly shut up which leads me to believe that his blowhard accusations about suing these women for defamation would only hurt his case should it go any further so Andrew should do likewise.  Stay low, stay quiet.

He is doing neither of those things.  Perhaps this attorney advisor will make that clear to him.  If we know that, Andrew should.  It's pretty obvious.  He's behaving like someone who is so used to being protected that he simply refuses to think he should be accused of anything and if he is, it will go nowhere. 

I truly believe this case will move forward and he will be called to a federal court in the US but he should, for now, wait for God's sake.  And if he thinks suing back is wise, he deserves everything he's got coming.  It borders on cruelty and I've yet to hear him say one word about how horrible that must be for the women but I've had nothing to do with it kind of thing.  He's living in a fantasy world.


Title: Re: Andrew's Scandal - Update: named in 'underage sex slave' lawsuit filed in U.S. court
Post by: Kuei Fei on January 19, 2015, 01:37:46 am
Andrew needs to stop acting like he can just delegate this to a lawyer and go on in his life. This woman likely has proof and his lawyer needs him to cooperate. Carrying on isn't going to bury this or save him and second, lawyering up means that he's afraid. Suing for defamation won't work, it'll only escalate things considerably.


Title: Re: Andrew's Scandal - Update: named in 'underage sex slave' lawsuit filed in U.S. court
Post by: LadyLaura on January 19, 2015, 01:42:57 am
I'm dying to know what the proof is besides the diary. If its video proof, he's screwed. If it's dna proof he's screwed, if it's compromising photos, he's still screwed. I'm sure she has it, and it's going to come out.


Title: Re: Andrew's Scandal - Update: named in 'underage sex slave' lawsuit filed in U.S. court
Post by: Kuei Fei on January 19, 2015, 01:46:22 am
She likely has one of the three, or all of them. If the agents found anything from Epstein that could convict him they likely have something solid on Andrew.


Title: Re: Andrew's Scandal - Update: named in 'underage sex slave' lawsuit filed in U.S. court
Post by: AnaBolena on January 19, 2015, 03:36:19 am
^ The diary is not proof.  It was written five years ago. 

Ms Roberts should file a criminal violent physical attack charge like violent physical attack victims do.  Why hasn't she?


Title: Re: Andrew's Scandal - Update: named in 'underage sex slave' lawsuit filed in U.S. court
Post by: Emperor on January 19, 2015, 04:57:30 am
Andrew hires top lawyer to fight under-age sex claims: Prince employs 'grandfather of the bar' to help fight allegations as he prepares to make first public appearance

    Prince has enlisted help of William Clegg, a prominent defence barrister
    Duke of York faces claims he had sex with a 17-year-old American girl
    Andrew, who denies allegations, to make first public appearance this week
    Will attend meeting of the World Economic Forum in Davos, Switzerland 


Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2915934/Andrew-hires-lawyer-fight-age-sex-claims-Prince-hires-grandfather-bar-help-fight-allegations-prepares-make-public-appearance.html#ixzz3PEx9SyxH



Title: Re: Andrew's Scandal - Update: named in 'underage sex slave' lawsuit filed in U.S. court
Post by: KGap on January 19, 2015, 07:14:34 am
I *despise* to say it, but more victims?

Hiring the lawyer doesn't make him look good. If he were smart his trip would be canceled. Should he feel the need to "work"... Stay in Britain. He is just making a spectacle of himself and deserves the bad press.


Title: Re: Andrew's Scandal - Update: named in 'underage sex slave' lawsuit filed in U.S. court
Post by: Kuei Fei on January 19, 2015, 07:58:53 am
^ The diary is not proof.  It was written five years ago. 

Ms Roberts should file a criminal violent physical attack charge like violent physical attack victims do.  Why hasn't she?

There might be other rounds of evidence.

It's not being shown because there isn't a trial. As for other charges, evidence is needed and this might just be the beginning.


Title: Re: Andrew's Scandal - Update: named in 'underage sex slave' lawsuit filed in U.S. court
Post by: Rosella on January 19, 2015, 08:20:01 am
I *despise* to say it, but more victims?

Hiring the lawyer doesn't make him look good. If he were smart his trip would be canceled. Should he feel the need to "work"... Stay in Britain. He is just making a spectacle of himself and deserves the bad press.

I bet you any money you like that his lawyers and BP advisers are telling him to tuck himself away and keep silent on the subject. But no, bozo Andrew knows best, just as he did when one of his advisers pleaded with him to stay away from Epstein after he left jail. "No." said " Mr 'I know best', "Don't tell me what to do. I'm loyal to MY friends!"

I hope he goes to Davos. I hope he makes an idiot of himself and I hope the British Press tear strips off him afterwards.


Title: Re: Andrew's Scandal - Update: named in 'underage sex slave' lawsuit filed in U.S. court
Post by: Rosella on January 19, 2015, 08:39:50 am
Barristers at law in Britain often give advice in chambers, (their offices) rather than actually appearing in court for their client, although of course they  do that as well. Mr Clegg might be going through the case so far with Andrew and giving him the benefit of his counsel at the moment.


Title: Re: Andrew's Scandal - Update: named in 'underage sex slave' lawsuit filed in U.S. court
Post by: Stephanie on January 19, 2015, 11:17:24 am
Airmiles Andy at it again!
And it turns out that his trips where Randy allegedly molested a minor are taxpayer funded. :stop:
http://www.nzherald.co.nz/world/news/article.cfm?c_id=2&objectid=11388325

http://www.theguardian.com/business/shortcuts/2015/jan/18/davos-prince-andrew-world-economic-forum-switzerland
Gb ridiculed for the fact that every country sends a heavyweight but GB sends an alleged alleged pedo.


Title: Re: Andrew's Scandal - Update: named in 'underage sex slave' lawsuit filed in U.S. court
Post by: Diaphenous on January 19, 2015, 12:14:20 pm
I read yesterday that there is video proof.  This was buried when his mate cut a deal to get a reduced sentence.  Only a very few people have seen it and are aware of the content.  The girls are trying to obtain this as evidence and if/when they do, PA will be well screwed  (hmm hmm pardon the pun)!!!!    :laugh:


Title: Re: Andrew's Scandal - Update: named in 'underage sex slave' lawsuit filed in U.S. court
Post by: gingerboy24 on January 19, 2015, 01:48:43 pm
Serve him right.  He is nothing but a dirty old man.


Title: Re: Andrew's Scandal - Update: named in 'underage sex slave' lawsuit filed in U.S. court
Post by: Val on January 19, 2015, 02:00:21 pm
They should subpoena the RPO's - they have seen it all.


Title: Re: Andrew's Scandal - Update: named in 'underage sex slave' lawsuit filed in U.S. court
Post by: Snowdrop on January 19, 2015, 02:53:03 pm
^ "dirty " doesn't even begin to describe his behaviour :o



Title: Re: Andrew's Scandal - Update: named in 'underage sex slave' lawsuit filed in U.S. court
Post by: gingerboy24 on January 19, 2015, 05:56:50 pm
I can´t see this on here, if a double post please removed mods.

Air Miles Andy flies again: Duke of York visited 15 countries and clocked up 67,000 miles in 2014
The Duke of York's foreign travelling is almost back to the levels of his time as UK trade envoy, new figures show

It actually says in the article

In total, Prince Andrew travelled 66,800 miles by air, the equivalent of circling the globe almost three times, even though his official role is focussed on British entrepreneurs, education and science and technology.
It is almost twice as far as the 37,000 miles he travelled in 2012/13 and closer to the 77,000 miles he travelled in his final year as UK trade ambassador, a role he quit in 2011 because of his links with the convicted sex offender Jeffrey Epstein and other controversial business contacts.


If you read the article mama was supposedly funding him, and in a roundabout way for the taxpayer purse.  Hmmm, good old mama, never mind the starving millions, the people who support you, let´s give you randy andy the high life eh  -  is that old girl for real these days, stuff everyone, my family are perfect and can spend as much public money as they like.  Yeah, we get the picture HM and it is very clear.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/theroyalfamily/11351404/Air-Miles-Andy-flies-again-Duke-of-York-visited-15-countries-and-clocked-up-67000-miles-in-2014.html


Title: Re: Andrew's Scandal - Update: named in 'underage sex slave' lawsuit filed in U.S. court
Post by: Stephanie on January 20, 2015, 07:27:41 pm
Whoa!
Cameron isn't going, most likely because Randy is there. :cookie:
http://www.express.co.uk/news/world/553070/Davos-2015-World-Economic-Forum-WEF-what-is-it-history-facts-figures


Title: Re: Andrew's Scandal - Update: named in 'underage sex slave' lawsuit filed in U.S. court
Post by: gingerboy24 on January 20, 2015, 08:38:13 pm
I love this link, related/unrelated as such.  You have to subscribe to read the story, but it did give me a laugh.  I think you can get a one month free subscription, but not really a paper I read, I found the link on Twitter.

Ferg firm fury
Duchess backers in 'copycat' claim


EXCLUSIVE By EMILY NASH and DANIEL BATES in New York Published: 18th January 2015
FERGIE’S new website Duchess Discoveries is backed by a company which has been named in 89 US lawsuits.
Join Sun+ for free to read the full story


http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage/news/6272966/Fergies-new-website-backed-by-supposed-copycat-company.html?CMP=spklr-131048047-Editorial-TWITTER-TheSunNewspaper-20150118-News


Title: Re: Andrew's Scandal - Update: named in 'underage sex slave' lawsuit filed in U.S. court
Post by: Rebecca on January 21, 2015, 02:46:34 am
They should subpoena the RPO's - they have seen it all.

Imagine how difficult it would be to know so many intimate, disgusting details of these people's lives!!


Title: Re: Andrew's Scandal - Update: named in 'underage sex slave' lawsuit filed in U.S. court
Post by: Val on January 21, 2015, 05:10:57 pm
Some excellent references in this article

http://www.bayoubuzz.com/top-stories/item/815612-prince-andrew-rich-and-famous-in-orgy-of-denials


Title: Re: Andrew's Scandal - Update: named in 'underage sex slave' lawsuit filed in U.S. court
Post by: Rebecca on January 21, 2015, 05:51:34 pm
^Great article! For such a 'amazingly wonderful man' he sure has a lot of loser friends....


Title: Prince Andrew Underage Sex Abuse Scandal Part II
Post by: Fly on the wall on January 21, 2015, 05:53:19 pm
 Gordon Rayner @gordonrayner  ·
Prince Andrew under renewed pressure to speak about 'sex abuse' claims after flight logs emerge | via @Telegraph http://fw.to/UW2bUOJ


Prince Andrew under renewed pressure to speak about 'sex abuse' claims after flight logs emerge
Flight records show Duke of York and his accuser Virginia Roberts were in the same places at the same times she claims to have sex with him

 The Duke of York is under renewed pressure to speak publicly about sex abuse allegations after flight records backed up his accuser’s claims of having met him three times.

Flight logs from the private jet of the Duke’s friend Jeffrey Epstein, a convicted sex offender, show Virginia Roberts and the Duke were both in the locations where she claims to have had sex with him, at the relevant times.

Prince Andrew has categorically denied “any sexual contact” with Miss Roberts, who was 17 at the time, and is considering whether to address the subject when he makes a speech at the World Economic Forum in Davos, Switzerland on Thursday.

The Duke will speak at his Pitch@Palace event, where he introduces people starting their own companies to established entrepreneurs.

It is understood that any reference he makes to the scandal will be brief and will simply underline his previous denials, but it would nevertheless set a new precedent for a member of the Royal family to make a public statement about allegations of a sexual nature.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/theroyalfamily/11359788/Prince-Andrew-under-renewed-pressure-to-speak-about-sex-abuse-claims-after-flight-logs-emerge.html


Title: Re: Andrew's Scandal - Update: named in 'underage sex slave' lawsuit filed in U.S. court
Post by: india on January 21, 2015, 09:13:20 pm
You had better give it up Andy Boy. Your goose is just about cooked.


Title: Re: Andrew's Scandal - Update: named in 'underage sex slave' lawsuit filed in U.S. court
Post by: Fly on the wall on January 21, 2015, 09:31:00 pm
Prince Andrew sex claims: Fresh documents filed in US court

The woman who has accused Prince Andrew of sexual misconduct has repeated the claims in fresh US court documents.

She alleges she was forced by financier Jeffrey Epstein to have sex with the prince when she was a minor in the US.

In the latest papers filed in Florida, the US woman, known legally as Jane Doe #3, said she knew the prince was a member of the British royal family but that she just called him "Andy".

Buckingham Palace has already strongly denied the allegations.

They said on Wednesday they had nothing to add following the filling of the new court papers.

This is the first time the woman, named elsewhere as Virginia Roberts, has given a statement in her own words to the courts.

Her lawyers said they had sent Prince Andrew a letter asking him to respond under oath to the allegations.

They say the letter was sent back to them as having been refused by the recipient.
http://www.bbc.com/news/uk-30927287?ns_mchannel=social&ns_campaign=bbc_breaking&ns_source=twitter&ns_linkname=news_central



Quote
Victoria Murphy @QueenVicMirror
Confirmation from Buckingham Palace that Prince Andrew will say a few words tomorrow at Pitch@Palace reception in Davos.
Anyone expecting Andrew's words to be revelatory will be disappointed. My prediction: He may allude to scandal briefly but no more than that
If you think you've been busy spare a thought for the person whose job it is to delete offensive comments from Prince Andrew's Facebook page
First UK engagement for Prince Andrew is 28th January. He will host reception for The International Year of Light 2015 at St James's Palace


Title: Re: Andrew's Scandal - Update: named in 'underage sex slave' lawsuit filed in U.S. court
Post by: LadyLaura on January 21, 2015, 09:41:40 pm
This just gets better, yes he's about done.

He will likely make allusions to his being innocent tomorrow. But that's it. Andy feels that he does not have to explain his actions to the public.

The truth will out  :bat:


Title: Re: Andrew's Scandal - Update: named in 'underage sex slave' lawsuit filed in U.S. court
Post by: india on January 21, 2015, 10:09:25 pm
 Continue on in this vein Prince *nasty* Duke of Fat and Perversion. You with your arrogance and entitlement.  Hiding behind your mummy's skirts living off her tit. You are disgusting and you are caught. It's over Buster.


Title: Re: Andrew's Scandal - Update: named in 'underage sex slave' lawsuit filed in U.S. court
Post by: Stephanie on January 21, 2015, 10:26:08 pm
Expects to be catered to his sick needs to allegedly molest minors.
When he gets caught he runs to Switzerland.
I bet there's lots and lots of proof and not only from miss Roberts but also from Epstein himself.
Who's to say if Randy has been blackmailed and if so, for how long?
Puts his "business  ambassadorship" in another daylight.
Randy going in there on behalf of the UK government while Randy could have had his own agenda: favors and payments for those who might otherwise talk and those who will give him his next stash of (alleged) underage bodies of vulnerable girls.


Title: Re: Andrew's Scandal - Update: named in 'underage sex slave' lawsuit filed in U.S. court
Post by: Kuei Fei on January 22, 2015, 12:11:32 am
Davos is the last place he should be doing something like this. It's not the time or place to try to save his sorry skin.


Title: Re: Andrew's Scandal - Update: named in 'underage sex slave' lawsuit filed in U.S. court
Post by: Emperor on January 22, 2015, 03:18:24 am
Swear on oath you're innocent, lawyers for 'sex slave' tell Prince: Andrew under growing pressure to testify after rejecting letter asking for his 'voluntary co-operation'

    Virginia Roberts's lawyers served Duke letter over allegations they had sex
    They asked for Duke's 'voluntary cooperation' to be questioned over claims
    But her lawyers stated: ‘The letter has been refused by the recipient’
    Roberts claims guards left her alone with Prince first time they had sex
    Details emerged in documents filed at the Palm Beach court house, Florida
    New papers shows Miss Roberts’s determination to pursue Prince, 54
    She also issued attack on Andrew's 'false and hurtful' denials of her claims
    Bombshell came as Palace officials arrive in Switzerland with Andrew for World Economic Forum


Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2920763/Swear-oath-innocent-lawyers-sex-slave-tell-Prince-Andrew-growing-pressure-testify-rejecting-letter-asking-voluntary-operation.html#ixzz3PW5xHDU8
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Title: Re: Andrew's Scandal - Update: named in 'underage sex slave' lawsuit filed in U.S. court
Post by: YooperModerator on January 22, 2015, 03:42:55 am
This is the point where Andrew had his actual chance to a day in court to, under oath, proclaim his innocence.  He didn't. He didn't even acknowledge it. 

He's toast.  With the US judicial system, he's blown his once chance to stand up for himself and now the attorneys have this little snub to add to the pile against him.  I have no sympathy with whatever happens to this creep.



Title: Re: Andrew's Scandal - Update: named in 'underage sex slave' lawsuit filed in U.S. court
Post by: HRH Tiana of NOLA on January 22, 2015, 04:45:50 am
What a coward!


Title: Re: Andrew's Scandal - Update: named in 'underage sex slave' lawsuit filed in U.S. court
Post by: Kuei Fei on January 22, 2015, 07:48:29 am
This is the point where Andrew had his actual chance to a day in court to, under oath, proclaim his innocence.  He didn't. He didn't even acknowledge it.  

He's toast.  With the US judicial system, he's blown his once chance to stand up for himself and now the attorneys have this little snub to add to the pile against him.  I have no sympathy with whatever happens to this creep.

So now he's delivering a slap in the face to the US judicial system and a victim of sex abuse.

Prince Andrew sex allegations: 'Slave girl' Virginia Roberts claims she had orgy with duke and EIGHT other girls

Quote
Prince Andrew’s “sex slave” vows to bring him to justice in a criminal court alleging he was involved in an underage orgy with his alleged alleged paedophile pal Jeffrey Epstein and eight young girls.

In court papers filed yesterday, Virginia Roberts claims she was paid $400 to “service” Prince Andrew, who she referred to as “Andy”, while under the age of consent.

She repeats her claim of having sex with him in London then gives more details of times she says she met the Duke at Epstein’s home in New York and on his Caribbean island.

http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/prince-andrew-sex-allegations-slave-5020094


Title: Prince Andrew Underage Sex Abuse Scandal Part II
Post by: Kuei Fei on January 22, 2015, 07:50:15 am
Second part of the sex abuse scandal surrounding Prince Andrew.


Title: Re: Prince Andrew Underage Sex Abuse Scandal Part II
Post by: Stephanie on January 22, 2015, 09:53:54 am
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2921218/I-never-slept-Bill-Clinton-Sex-slave-Virginia-Roberts-denies-rumors-relations-former-President-explosive-court-filings.html
Ghislaine Maxwell allegedly is a alleged pedophile lesbian.
Randy had his shot there to declare under oath that he is innocent and that would greatly improve his credibility.
Instead he slimes away to Switzerland.


Title: Re: Prince Andrew Underage Sex Abuse Scandal Part II
Post by: Sheridan_is_appalled on January 22, 2015, 10:17:58 am
Switzerland refused to let the US extradite Roman Polanski.  How convenient that Prince Bucky Beaver got himself a cozy little chalet there. :akasha:
Innocent people do not run and hide.


Title: Re: Prince Andrew Underage Sex Abuse Scandal Part II
Post by: Stephanie on January 22, 2015, 10:28:53 am
Roman Polanski sodomized a 13 year old girl and Epstein allegedly held orgies with 12 year olds where Randy allegedly participated.


Title: Re: Prince Andrew Underage Sex Abuse Scandal Part II
Post by: Rosella on January 22, 2015, 10:58:52 am
Switzerland refused to let the US extradite Roman Polanski.  How convenient that Prince Bucky Beaver got himself a cozy little chalet there. :akasha:
Innocent people do not run and hide.

France refused an extradition application in that case by the United States, which under its treaty with the United States, it can do. Polanski had dual Polish-French citizenship and at the time both Foreign ministers of France and Poland urged Polanski's release. This the Swiss did, after an extradition proceeding. Polanski was facing criminal charges in the US. Andrew (and I have no time for the idiot) does not. He's been mentioned in a federal civil suit and that's all, for now


Title: Re: Prince Andrew Underage Sex Abuse Scandal Part II
Post by: Kuei Fei on January 22, 2015, 11:10:16 am
People at "The Royal Forums" are making me sick with their defensiveness over Andrew and of course, mild condemnation of the victim. Go there and look, but be warned, your blood pressure will increase considerably.


Title: Re: Prince Andrew Underage Sex Abuse Scandal Part II
Post by: Stephanie on January 22, 2015, 11:41:52 am
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2921490/Prince-Andrew-appears-public-Davos-time-emerged-called-swear-oath-innocent-sex-claims.html
Randy arriving in Davos, people stare at him looking disgusted.


Title: Re: Prince Andrew Underage Sex Abuse Scandal Part II
Post by: gingerboy24 on January 22, 2015, 12:41:59 pm
In the short video only about two people bothering with him.  Looking very stressed and a bit thinner in the face, bags beneath his eyes.

Found this little snipped on the side of the article interesting.

DOES ANDREW HAVE LEGAL IMMUNITY BECAUSE HE'S A ROYAL?
It is not known whether Prince Andrew is covered by legal immunity simply by being a royal because this has never been tested in international law.
However, the prince may be entitled to diplomatic immunity against questioning in any criminal inquiry because some of the allegations relate to when he was a Whitehall-sanctioned business envoy. Diplomatic immunity protects foreign diplomats from legal action in the country where they work.
Extradition lawyer Karen Todner said the prince could be formally asked to give evidence ‘only in criminal proceedings’. If he refused to co-operate, he could in theory be banned from entering America.


If that happened it shows his guilt anyway.  Many normal, decent people are not very accommodating over illegal under age sex, or people using their position to be given freebies in that direction.  Whatever happens here, it is my personal opinion that the mud will stick, big time, whatever the outcome.



Title: Re: Prince Andrew Underage Sex Abuse Scandal Part II
Post by: Little light on January 22, 2015, 01:22:00 pm
i don't think it says much for him, or any adult in their middle-age, to want to have sex with teenagers.

Now I know she said she was 17 at the time, which is statutory violent physical attack in this case, and I do not disbelieve her, but if any of my friends was in their middle-age and having no strings sex with teenagers not long out of school, well I would be disgusted with that friend.

And it begs the question, why not have sex with somone around his own age? Has he got such low self-esteem that he finds them a threat to his ego?

And his poor children too. The strain is certainly showing on his face. He looks like he hasn't had a decent night's sleep in weeks. Especially when you compare the 1st photo above to the 2nd one.


Title: Re: Andrew's Scandal - Update: named in 'underage sex slave' lawsuit filed in U.S. court
Post by: Little light on January 22, 2015, 01:26:06 pm
All his actions are doing is weakening HM and the brf even further.

Hi refusal to accept the letter speaks volumes about his own feelings of guilt. And he's probably hoping HM will strike a deal so it goes away. But from what I've read aboout this case on the forum, that is an unlikely scenario.



Title: Re: Andrew's Scandal - Update: named in 'underage sex slave' lawsuit filed in U.S. court
Post by: Fly on the wall on January 22, 2015, 02:03:41 pm
Prince Andrew makes first public appearance since sex scandal broke - as his accuser urges him to swear on oath that he is innocent

Prince Andrew today arrived in Davos to meet the world's most rich and powerful people as he faced growing pressure to testify on oath about his contacts with an alleged underage ‘sex slave'.
Virginia Roberts claims she had sex three times with the Duke of York including at an orgy on a Caribbean island involving eight other young girls.
Buckingham Palace has issued strong denials on the Prince’s behalf - but he is expected to address the sex allegations for the first time in a speech to business leaders tonight.
Miss Roberts also lodged fresh documents at a Florida court saying her lawyers had served an extraordinary letter on the Duke last week requesting he answer questions – but he ‘refused’ to accept it.
Today the Prince arrived at the World Economic Forum in Davos, nine miles from his chalet in Klosters, and will give a keynote speech at an event for entrepreneurs this evening. 
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2921490/Prince-Andrew-appears-public-Davos-time-emerged-called-swear-oath-innocent-sex-claims.html


'I never slept with Bill Clinton': 'Sex slave' Virginia Roberts denies rumors she had tryst with former President

Alleged underage 'sex slave' Virginia Roberts has denied ever having sex with Bill Clinton in explosive new court filings which lay bare a host of debauched details about her alleged relationship with Prince Andrew and his friend Jeffrey Epstein.
In papers filed on Wednesday in Florida federal court, Roberts - referred to as Jane Doe No. 3 - gives sordid details about an alleged 11-person orgy with Prince Andrew in 2001 but denies ever having relations with the former president.
Roberts, now 31, claims she worked for Epstein between 1999 and 2002 after she was recruited by his former girlfriend Ghislaine Maxwell when she was just 15 years old.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2921218/I-never-slept-Bill-Clinton-Sex-slave-Virginia-Roberts-denies-rumors-relations-former-President-explosive-court-filings.html


Title: Re: Andrew's Scandal - Update: named in 'underage sex slave' lawsuit filed in U.S. court
Post by: Rebecca on January 22, 2015, 02:08:58 pm
The way Andy is acting makes him look guilty. After all, if he was innocent, he wouldn't refuse an opportunity to set the record straight.


Title: Re: Andrew's Scandal - Update: named in 'underage sex slave' lawsuit filed in U.S. court
Post by: gingerboy24 on January 22, 2015, 02:56:32 pm
That is what many are thinking, so what has he got to hide, if he is truly innocent then he has nothing to fear does he.  Looking quite stressed and nervous in Davros, and not a lot of interest in him judging by the short vid on DM.


Title: Re: Andrew's Scandal - Update: named in 'underage sex slave' lawsuit filed in U.S. court
Post by: AnaBolena on January 22, 2015, 03:09:23 pm
Even if innocent he cannot come out of this well whatever he does.  It's seemingly at a stage of he said, she said.  Legally there's little sense in getting into that arena as he can't prove innocence and she can't prove guilt. 

Honestly, I don't know what to think.  I'm no fan of PA's but I know enough about him as we all do to know he's had a long history with women - and none of them appeared underage or assault victims.  That doesn't make him innocent, at the same time it doesn't make guilt.

This Jane Doe #3 really does set my red flags off on many counts - I see £'s in what she says.  A book? Etc Etc.

Epstein wanting her to have a baby, the big lawyer who can prove he did nothing with her and on and on. She has a lot of things to say and yet some sound very 'way out there'.

That doesn't make PA innocent at all, but what can?  If he's guilty of 'knowingly' being with her underage he should pay.
I'm keeping my stance of innocent until proven guilty.  I do that with any person.


Title: Re: Andrew's Scandal - Update: named in 'underage sex slave' lawsuit filed in U.S. court
Post by: kolkomilko on January 22, 2015, 03:44:04 pm
It took a long time for him to "prepare for" the first public appearance! He is in real trouble and I wonder how he will get out of it.


Title: Re: Andrew's Scandal - Update: named in 'underage sex slave' lawsuit filed in U.S. court
Post by: Miss Hathaway on January 22, 2015, 03:44:55 pm
^^I agree.   I don't think any person should be "forced" to make a public statement simply because another person or group demands that he do so.    Andrew has hired a lawyer who will see the proof, and it will proceed through the courts as it is meant to do.

As for this girl saying she never "slept" with Clinton -- he didn't sleep with Monica either (that seems to be his rule), but he still engaged in sexual and inappropriate behavior with her.   So that can be taken more than one way, based on history.


Title: Re: Andrew's Scandal - Update: named in 'underage sex slave' lawsuit filed in U.S. court
Post by: kolkomilko on January 22, 2015, 05:09:33 pm
^ I agree. It is strange that as you say: "As for this girl saying she never "slept" with Clinton", but his name was on the list. So? Who can believe what she says about Andrew after it?


Title: Re: Andrew's Scandal - Update: named in 'underage sex slave' lawsuit filed in U.S. court
Post by: Rebecca on January 22, 2015, 06:05:19 pm
^According to this article, she said that she never claimed to of had sex with Clinton, and that that was an untrue rumor. At  first, I was a tiny bit skeptical about her claims, but as time goes on and more information comes out it seems more credible. Of course, he is innocent until proven guilty, but because of him being royalty I think she is brave for seeking to have him held responsible for his actions. All too often, elites suffer no consequences to their actions, I'm sure Andy feels that he can do no wrong--and I feel sure that his supporters feel that way too. And not only his supporters, but possibly many of HM too...

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2921218/I-never-slept-Bill-Clinton-Sex-slave-Virginia-Roberts-denies-rumors-relations-former-President-explosive-court-filings.html


Title: Re: Prince Andrew Underage Sex Abuse Scandal Part II
Post by: Rebecca on January 22, 2015, 06:08:24 pm
Second part of the sex abuse scandal surrounding Prince Andrew.

Sorry, but not realizing there was a new thread I just posted on the old one!!!


Title: Re: Andrew's Scandal - Update: named in 'underage sex slave' lawsuit filed in U.S. court
Post by: LadyLaura on January 22, 2015, 06:08:47 pm
^ yes she is brave standing up to these elite dirt bags who believe they can do as they will with no consequences. She does not seem crazy or desperate for money. Remember there are still many more women involved, she is just ONE that has spoken out. I wonder will others start coming forward?


Title: Re: Andrew's Scandal - Update: named in 'underage sex slave' lawsuit filed in U.S. court
Post by: Miss Hathaway on January 22, 2015, 06:28:48 pm
^According to this article, she said that she never claimed to of had sex with Clinton, and that that was an untrue rumor. At  first, I was a tiny bit skeptical about her claims, but as time goes on and more information comes out it seems more credible. Of course, he is innocent until proven guilty, but because of him being royalty I think she is brave for seeking to have him held responsible for his actions. All too often, elites suffer no consequences to their actions, I'm sure Andy feels that he can do no wrong--and I feel sure that his supporters feel that way too. And not only his supporters, but possibly many of HM too...

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2921218/I-never-slept-Bill-Clinton-Sex-slave-Virginia-Roberts-denies-rumors-relations-former-President-explosive-court-filings.html

It's interesting that she uses the same terminology "never had sexual relations" [with Clinton] that Clinton used about Monica "I never had sexual relations with that woman."   May mean nothing, but a coincidence nonetheless.



Title: Re: Andrew's Scandal - Update: named in 'underage sex slave' lawsuit filed in U.S. court
Post by: Rebecca on January 22, 2015, 06:50:56 pm
^I took that as a catch-all term meaning that she had no type of sexual contact at all with him, not that she was implying anything by using those particular words..  I wonder what it says about Bill Clinton's legacy that anytime one hears 'I did not have sexual relations'  all thoughts hearken back to the Clinton-Lewinsky scandal of the 90s!?          lol


Title: Re: Andrew's Scandal - Update: named in 'underage sex slave' lawsuit filed in U.S. court
Post by: Snowdrop on January 22, 2015, 06:51:48 pm
Just seen Andrew on the news - after all the hype about a press confernece and now he would set the record straight - in a nutshell he just reiterated what BP had already said and he wanted to get on with his work


Title: Re: Andrew's Scandal - Update: named in 'underage sex slave' lawsuit filed in U.S. court
Post by: LadyLaura on January 22, 2015, 06:54:01 pm
^figured he would do that. He doesn't have to explain himself to anyone it seems. :bored:


Title: Re: Andrew's Scandal - Update: named in 'underage sex slave' lawsuit filed in U.S. court
Post by: Rebecca on January 22, 2015, 06:55:17 pm
^^Im sure he does!! He's probably counting on all of this blowing over like everything else always has.


Title: Re: Prince Andrew Underage Sex Abuse Scandal Part II
Post by: Snowdrop on January 22, 2015, 06:55:24 pm
Ooops me too  :sorry:


Title: Re: Prince Andrew Underage Sex Abuse Scandal Part II
Post by: Ariel on January 22, 2015, 07:41:06 pm
When someone says- I never had sexual relations with this woman, they'd better be prepared to define what they mean sex.

Also - there's no such thing as sleeping with an underaged girl 'unknowingly'. He's a grown up man - if he can't figure out how to ask a seemingly little girl how old she is ...

Regarding the request from Jane Doe for Prince Andrew to appear in court - unless he has an iron clad proof that he is innocent - he'd better not go there cause it's a trap. It's a way of that woman's lawyers to get him to play by their rules and lose whatever edge he has. The girl's accusations that she did not want to have sex with him can quickly turn into violent physical attack charges. No woman or a mother in the jury will believe that chauvinistic pig that he asked her if she wants to have sex with him if he didn't bother worrying about her being a child. he should burn in Hell, but before that - he'll need to have justice and prison.

If he thought that his mommy will save him from the long hand of the law, he thought wrong. Epstein is a billionaire and did his money save him .. no. And I'm so grateful for the US journos. Freedom of speech at its best. The more Jane Doe publishes updates on this case the less likely it is for an 'accident' to happen with her. 


Title: Re: Prince Andrew Underage Sex Abuse Scandal Part II
Post by: Fly on the wall on January 22, 2015, 07:50:09 pm
^True when people say that chances are they're not talking about intercourse she could have preform oral sex on him
Didn't Bill use that same line I did not have sexual relations with her ? No he didn't have intercouse she just give him a BJ


Title: Re: Prince Andrew Underage Sex Abuse Scandal Part II
Post by: Kuei Fei on January 22, 2015, 08:55:04 pm
I do think that Andrew SHOULD NOT ignore a court summons. If it turns to an order and Andrew ignores it, he'll be almost like Roman Polanski in this respect.

I do believe Andrew is guilty of this, if he were not he would be making appearances and waving evidence that would exonerate him around in front of everyone. Most innocent men would in fact end up all over this to clear their name, they wouldn't be skulking in the shadows letting the accusations run wild.


Title: Re: Prince Andrew Underage Sex Abuse Scandal Part II
Post by: Fly on the wall on January 22, 2015, 09:23:00 pm
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Rebecca English @RE_DailyMail  ·
Prince Andrew refused to comment as he left his Swiss ski chalet when we tried to speak to him about the latest sex allegations today.
And given the tweets emanating from his @TheDukeOfYork account today, BP clearly want to maintain a business as usual image.
It's both hard to see what else Buckingham Palace can do- but also how long they can keep this approach up for #PrinceAndrew #JeffreyEpstein



Prince Andrew breaks his silence over sex scandal to publicly deny claims he slept with underage teenager

The Duke of York today for the first time publicly denied allegations he had underage sex with a teenager, 'reiterating and reaffirming' Buckingham Palace statements that rebutted the claims.

Prince Andrew was in Davos, Switzerland, to meet the world's most rich and powerful people as he faced growing pressure to testify on oath about his contacts with the alleged ‘sex slave'.

The 54-year-old, who is fifth in line to the throne, said: 'Firstly, I think I must want for the record to refer to the events that have taken place in the last few weeks.

‘And I just wish to reiterate and to reaffirm the statements which have already been made on my behalf by Buckingham Palace. My focus is on my work.'

Virginia Roberts claims she had sex three times with the Duke of York including at an orgy on a Caribbean island involving eight other young girls. 
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2921490/Prince-Andrew-appears-public-Davos-time-emerged-called-swear-oath-innocent-sex-claims.html



Prince Andrew says 'my focus is my work' as he makes first public statement about sex abuse claims
Duke of York issues first public denial of claims that he "sexually abused" 17-year-old Virginia Roberts, who has made her first sworn statement of the claims

 The Duke of York has insisted "my focus is my work" as he made a defiant public statement about allegations of sex abuse.

In his first public comments since he was accused at the start of this month of sex with a 17-year-old, Prince Andrew said he wanted to "reiterate and reaffirm" his previous denials.

Speaking at an event for entrepreneurs at the World Economic Forum in Davos, Switzerland, he said: "Firstly I think I must for the record refer to the events that have taken place over the last few weeks.

"I wish to reiterate and reaffirm the statements already made on my behalf by Buckingham Palace. My focus is on my work."
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/theroyalfamily/11363455/Prince-Andrew-says-my-focus-is-my-work-as-he-makes-first-public-statement-about-sex-abuse-claims.html


Title: Re: Prince Andrew Underage Sex Abuse Scandal Part II
Post by: Rosella on January 22, 2015, 10:05:43 pm
This is from the BBC discussing Andrew's legal options.

http://www.bbc.com/news/uk-30939826


Title: Re: Prince Andrew Underage Sex Abuse Scandal Part II
Post by: Kuei Fei on January 22, 2015, 10:20:06 pm
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Rebecca English @RE_DailyMail  ·
Prince Andrew refused to comment as he left his Swiss ski chalet when we tried to speak to him about the latest sex allegations today.
And given the tweets emanating from his @TheDukeOfYork account today, BP clearly want to maintain a business as usual image.
It's both hard to see what else Buckingham Palace can do- but also how long they can keep this approach up for #PrinceAndrew #JeffreyEpstein

Prince Andrew breaks his silence over sex scandal to publicly deny claims he slept with underage teenager

The Duke of York today for the first time publicly denied allegations he had underage sex with a teenager, 'reiterating and reaffirming' Buckingham Palace statements that rebutted the claims.

Prince Andrew was in Davos, Switzerland, to meet the world's most rich and powerful people as he faced growing pressure to testify on oath about his contacts with the alleged ‘sex slave'.

The 54-year-old, who is fifth in line to the throne, said: 'Firstly, I think I must want for the record to refer to the events that have taken place in the last few weeks.

‘And I just wish to reiterate and to reaffirm the statements which have already been made on my behalf by Buckingham Palace. My focus is on my work.'

Virginia Roberts claims she had sex three times with the Duke of York including at an orgy on a Caribbean island involving eight other young girls. 
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2921490/Prince-Andrew-appears-public-Davos-time-emerged-called-swear-oath-innocent-sex-claims.html

Prince Andrew says 'my focus is my work' as he makes first public statement about sex abuse claims
Duke of York issues first public denial of claims that he "sexually abused" 17-year-old Virginia Roberts, who has made her first sworn statement of the claims

The Duke of York has insisted "my focus is my work" as he made a defiant public statement about allegations of sex abuse.

In his first public comments since he was accused at the start of this month of sex with a 17-year-old, Prince Andrew said he wanted to "reiterate and reaffirm" his previous denials.

Speaking at an event for entrepreneurs at the World Economic Forum in Davos, Switzerland, he said: "Firstly I think I must for the record refer to the events that have taken place over the last few weeks.

"I wish to reiterate and reaffirm the statements already made on my behalf by Buckingham Palace. My focus is on my work."
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/theroyalfamily/11363455/Prince-Andrew-says-my-focus-is-my-work-as-he-makes-first-public-statement-about-sex-abuse-claims.html

How stupid to do this at an event that should be about entrepreneurs.


Title: Re: Prince Andrew Underage Sex Abuse Scandal Part II
Post by: YooperModerator on January 22, 2015, 11:09:49 pm
He'd lose those bags under his eyes and tense face if he'd cooperate with the US attorneys, state his innocence, prove it, answer questions and be cooperative.  It would also raise his stature in the eyes of the public. 

If you have nothing to hide, you are open and more than willing to help with any investigation.  Any reluctance is a clear indication that he either doesn't care about the young women with whom he met nor how this affects his own family and puts more weight to his possible guilt.

This is a slap in the face of the US judicial system, women's rights, international law and any form of decency.  You'd think he'd want to help these women not place blame nor look down from his lofty perch as completely untouchable and without a care in the world.  Very distasteful.


Title: Re: Prince Andrew Underage Sex Abuse Scandal Part II
Post by: YooperModerator on January 22, 2015, 11:29:51 pm
http://gawker.com/flight-logs-put-clinton-dershowitz-on-alleged pedophile-billio-1681039971 (http://gawker.com/flight-logs-put-clinton-dershowitz-on-alleged pedophile-billio-1681039971)

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Bill Clinton took repeated trips on the "Lolita Express"—the private passenger jet owned by billionaire alleged pedophile Jeffrey Epstein—with an actress in softcore porn movies whose name appears in Epstein's address book under an entry for "massages," according to flight logbooks obtained by Gawker and published today for the first time. The logs also show that Clinton shared more than a dozen flights with a woman who federal prosecutors believe procured underage girls to sexually service Epstein and his friends and acted as a "potential co-conspirator" in his crimes.

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Epstein's predatory past, and his now-inconvenient relationships with a Who's Who of the Davos set, hit the front pages again earlier this month when one of his victims, Virginia Roberts, claimed in a federal court filing that Epstein recruited her as a "sex slave" at the age of 15 and "sexually trafficked [her] to politically-connected and financially-powerful people," including Prince Andrew and attorney Alan Dershowitz. (The latter, the filing claimed, had sex with the victim "on private planes"; Dershowitz vigorously denies the charges, as does Prince Andrew.)

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The logs also cast doubt on public statements made by Dershowitz, who has been vigorously downplaying his relationship with Epstein since Roberts levied her accusations against him. Dershowitz has attempted to paint himself as a mere passing acquaintance of Epstein, suggesting to the American Lawyer last week that he only began hanging around the billionaire to fundraise for his school, Harvard.

There's SO much more.  Worth a read/look-see.  Comments are priceless.

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Finally, Gawkers scummy tabloid ethos has some social good!

I keed, but really this was great work, Nick. These men clearly think they're untouchable and chipping away at these allegations, if they turn out to be true, will destroy a lot of careers in desperate need of destroying. Scumbags, the whole lot of 'em.

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Oh goody!!!! Get the popcorn, this is going to be a great show what with Randy Andy and Bubba Clinton.... finally the secrets of Air *copulate* One (as it was called by people around Clinton) will be told. This could make the whole Lewinsky thing look like innocent 90's soft core porn compared to a snuff film.

Excited!

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Dershowitz is lying though his teeth. Typical lawyer double talk and spin.

My boss flies private 4-5 times a year with family and/or friends. You always have to supply the names of all passengers flying, every time you book. Internationally you have to supply full names and passport numbers.

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It's all fun and haha jokes til you think these girls were what 14 or less when they started getting groomed?

If these "Secret Service" agents were on the plane and I assume being paid by my tax dollars, I hope they will be called to testify and not give some "national security" BS



Title: Re: Prince Andrew Underage Sex Abuse Scandal Part II
Post by: Fly on the wall on January 23, 2015, 03:26:36 am
9 Young Girls, 2 Men! ‘Sex Slave’ Reveals ‘Disgusting’ Details Of Prince Andrew Orgy Claims Under Oath — Read The Bombshell Affidavit

In recent weeks, Prince Andrew’s alleged “sex slave” Virginia Roberts has come forward with lurid claims about their sexual encounters, and her time with billionaire alleged pedophile Jeffrey Epstein. But the true extent of the alleged depravity that happened with the royal on Epstein’s infamous orgy island has been shrouded in secrecy — until now. In a shocking new affidavit obtained by RadarOnline.com, Roberts revealed new claims about how she and “eight other young girls” were forced to have group sex with the royal and his alleged pedophile pal, and how the entire scene left her “disgusted.
http://radaronline.com/exclusives/2015/01/royal-sex-scandal-prince-andrew-virginia-roberts-orgy-island-affidavit/


Title: Re: Prince Andrew Underage Sex Abuse Scandal Part II
Post by: Rebecca on January 23, 2015, 03:34:42 am
^Truly sickening. I don't understand how HM can continue to support him after this....


Title: Re: Prince Andrew Underage Sex Abuse Scandal Part II
Post by: Kuei Fei on January 23, 2015, 04:45:36 am
If the US judiciary sends out a warrant for his arrest and flees, I am certain that it'll completely destroy him for good.

9 Young Girls, 2 Men! ‘Sex Slave’ Reveals ‘Disgusting’ Details Of Prince Andrew Orgy Claims Under Oath — Read The Bombshell Affidavit

In recent weeks, Prince Andrew’s alleged “sex slave” Virginia Roberts has come forward with lurid claims about their sexual encounters, and her time with billionaire alleged alleged pedophile Jeffrey Epstein. But the true extent of the alleged depravity that happened with the royal on Epstein’s infamous orgy island has been shrouded in secrecy — until now. In a shocking new affidavit obtained by RadarOnline.com, Roberts revealed new claims about how she and “eight other young girls” were forced to have group sex with the royal and his alleged alleged pedophile pal, and how the entire scene left her “disgusted.
http://radaronline.com/exclusives/2015/01/royal-sex-scandal-prince-andrew-virginia-roberts-orgy-island-affidavit/

Oh my Holy Mother; since this was taken under oath, this means to me that she's dead serious and totally telling the truth. This also means that Andrew's refusal makes him look worse.


Title: Re: Prince Andrew Underage Sex Abuse Scandal Part II
Post by: Ariel on January 23, 2015, 05:32:05 am
i can't wait to see him pay for what he did. we don't care if he wants to focus on his work or not. i wouldnt believe that he did any good or had any focus on helping. besides an economic forum is highly inappropriate place for personal statements. if he's so innocent - he should make a statement in court - under oath, not bother the leaders of the world who gathered in Davos to discuss the current issues and opportunities on our planet, not to listen to this pompous prick lies.


Title: Re: Prince Andrew Underage Sex Abuse Scandal Part II
Post by: cate1949 on January 23, 2015, 05:44:06 am
right KF - an affidavit under oath - she is dead serious about his and if she lies risks perjury charges etc. which she would be aware of. This looks even more serious to me now.  But why is it only being reported by radar online?  Why hasn't the DM gotten this?



Title: Re: Prince Andrew Underage Sex Abuse Scandal Part II
Post by: Kuei Fei on January 23, 2015, 05:48:55 am
If she went so far as to get an affadivit and a court is summoning him, chances are she has hard core evidence that was presented and approved. The US judiciary is a stickler for evidence in this case, at this level, to me, this is likely showing that Andrew is indeed guilty as sin and I hope the evidence is released publicly.

As for the DM, the DM is busy with the death of the King of Saudi Arabia and here's another headline:

All aboard the 'Lolita Express': Flight logs reveal the many trips Bill Clinton and Alan Dershowitz took on alleged pedophile Jeffrey Epstein's private jet with anonymous women

Flight logs for Jeffrey Epstein's private plane dubbed the 'Lolita Express' were published for the first time on Thursday
They show that former President Bill Clinton boarded the plane with women believed to have been involved in creating underage sex slave ring
Alleged victim Virginia Roberts says she was recruited as a slave when she was 15, and that she was forced to have sex with both Prince Andrew and Harvard law profession Alan Dershowitz
The latter, she says, molested her mid-flight on the private jet
Both the Duke of York and Dershowitz have fiercely denied their involvement in the ring


http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2922773/Newly-released-flight-logs-reveal-time-trips-Bill-Clinton-Harvard-law-professor-Alan-Dershowitz-took-alleged pedophile-Jeffrey-Epstein-s-Lolita-Express-private-jet-anonymous-women.html#ixzz3PcXgXpRw

It's so telling that the DM forbids comments on these articles. All of them refuse to allow comments to be posted and released.


Title: Re: Prince Andrew Underage Sex Abuse Scandal Part II
Post by: kolkomilko on January 23, 2015, 07:29:00 am

I wonder whether the truth will come to light at all. There have been to many rumours among the RF and nothing has happened. In certain cases RF hide and cover things. Clearing themselves means the further future of the monarchy. HM do wants the monarchy and nothing else does matter. They all know it and that’s all.


Title: Re: Prince Andrew Underage Sex Abuse Scandal Part II
Post by: Kuei Fei on January 23, 2015, 07:46:38 am
This is something else.

Underage girls, meddling to help Epstein, Andrew refusing to just go to a meeting with court officials, blatantly ignoring a letter faxed, from a court official....

This isn't the Eighties or even Nineties, this is now and now these things can't be swept under a rug or end up erased. This is spilling out and even the DM is covering this religiously with new headlines each hour.

It will come to light with that book the victim is writing and I am sure that it will name names and provide evidence.

The legal officials aren't giving up and I do hope that it continues. If Andrew ignores the judiciary then I am sure that it'll only make things worse for him.


Title: Re: Prince Andrew Underage Sex Abuse Scandal Part II
Post by: Freya on January 23, 2015, 08:31:18 am
It must take an awful lot of guts to take on powerful men and the establishment like this. There must be more to this than "she says/he says".


Title: Re: Prince Andrew Underage Sex Abuse Scandal Part II
Post by: kolkomilko on January 23, 2015, 08:33:30 am
^^ I do hope, too. The truth should concern for everybody. Still the RF, too.  


Title: Re: Prince Andrew Underage Sex Abuse Scandal Part II
Post by: Kuei Fei on January 23, 2015, 08:46:38 am
Right now Virginia is untouchable; if something happens, nothing will save the RF from an expose or eternal suspicion. More is coming out each day.

It must take an awful lot of guts to take on powerful men and the establishment like this..

She's so full of guts and grit; the Founding Fathers must be cheering her on in dreams each time she falls asleep.

She's standing up for all those who were victimized by Andrew and his lowlife friends and the monarchy in general.

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There must be more to this than "she says/he says"

Andrew wouldn't be getting letters from the US judicial system if there wasn't evidence. She wouldn't be getting heard by a judge if there wasn't evidence.


Title: Re: Prince Andrew Underage Sex Abuse Scandal Part II
Post by: india on January 23, 2015, 10:00:38 am
It looks like Prince Perv's goose is truly cooked. As it should be.


Title: Re: Prince Andrew Underage Sex Abuse Scandal Part II
Post by: Kuei Fei on January 23, 2015, 10:25:22 am
At some point, Andrew is going to have to end up doing one thing or other. Man up and explain things or run to Switzerland with HM's blessing and live life as a fugitive and let his daughters be left behind to suffer the stigma of having two parents who have fled from the justice system. That'll trash their lives horribly and will end up doing damage to them if they want to live either a royal life or a life that is less public. Andrew is horrible for doing this to his daughters.


Title: Re: Prince Andrew Underage Sex Abuse Scandal Part II
Post by: Rosella on January 23, 2015, 10:35:48 am
At some point, Andrew is going to have to end up doing one thing or other. Man up and explain things or run to Switzerland with HM's blessing and live life as a fugitive and let his daughters be left behind to suffer the stigma of having two parents who have fled from the justice system. That'll trash their lives horribly and will end up doing damage to them if they want to live either a royal life or a life that is less public. Andrew is horrible for doing this to his daughters.

Why would Fergie flee from justice? She hasn't done anything. Andrew won't flee either, but Fergie will just continue to flog stuff in the US.


Title: Re: Prince Andrew Underage Sex Abuse Scandal Part II
Post by: Freya on January 23, 2015, 11:21:16 am
I don't know what would happen if Andrew gave up his Royal position and lost his HRH. Fergie's gravy train would certainly derail. I don't know whether the Princesses would keep their titles?


Title: Re: Prince Andrew Underage Sex Abuse Scandal Part II
Post by: Rosella on January 23, 2015, 12:03:34 pm
I don't know what would happen if Andrew gave up his Royal position and lost his HRH. Fergie's gravy train would certainly derail. I don't know whether the Princesses would keep their titles?

I hope Andrew is forced by the RF to give up his public duties and retire into private life. He can't lose his HRH, only married-ins can. He was born a Prince and you can't de-prince someone. Beatrice and Eugenie would keep their titles. They were also born princesses. Fergie would have to find someone else to mooch off, her children most likely if she can't find anyone else.


Title: Re: Prince Andrew Underage Sex Abuse Scandal Part II
Post by: Kuei Fei on January 23, 2015, 12:31:12 pm
Since Fergie would be co-owner of the chalet I'm certain that Fergie would flee with Andrew since HM would pay her son to live well enough.

Will Andrew ever be able to visit US again? Prince risks being served with subpoena ordering him to give evidence on oath if he goes there

    Deposition papers would oblige him to give evidence - or face jail threat
    Virginia Roberts's team has tried to ambush people they wish to question
    Prince has been many times to US both in official capacity and on holiday


http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2922752/Will-Andrew-able-visit-Prince-risks-served-subpoena-ordering-evidence-oath-goes-there.html#ixzz3PeBSrcvY

Just as I thought, he would likely end up facing jail/arrest in the US if he refuses to cooperate or perhaps end up staying away as a wanted man.


Title: Re: Prince Andrew Underage Sex Abuse Scandal Part II
Post by: Snowdrop on January 23, 2015, 01:20:12 pm
I'm just as sickend by ER as andrew because she appears to be condoning/protecting him - the RF are a truly rotten bunch


Title: Re: Prince Andrew Underage Sex Abuse Scandal Part II
Post by: Stephanie on January 23, 2015, 02:16:17 pm
What is the problem with giving a statement if Randy is innocent?
About Fergie, she's obviously preparing to flee too so I wonder what her involvement in this alleged alleged pedo ring is.


Title: Re: Prince Andrew Underage Sex Abuse Scandal Part II
Post by: Rebecca on January 23, 2015, 02:40:20 pm
^^ :thumbsup:


Title: Re: Prince Andrew Underage Sex Abuse Scandal Part II
Post by: Snowdrop on January 23, 2015, 05:24:05 pm
^^You've asked a very good question, Stephanie, and you're not the only one


Title: Re: Prince Andrew Underage Sex Abuse Scandal Part II
Post by: YooperModerator on January 23, 2015, 06:12:09 pm
I have a question and, sorry, no time to do the research.  But, diplomatic immunity, a constitutional lawyer tells me, only works if the person was officially representing their country at the time of any illegal activity.  Was Andrew on ANY official business within the US during these things?


Title: Re: Prince Andrew Underage Sex Abuse Scandal Part II
Post by: Kuei Fei on January 23, 2015, 06:27:42 pm
I don't think so and thing is, that Andrew is not at all someone who would look well if he had been doing this during official business. Anyone he posed with during an official trip, if he had been messing with kids, would be tainted by association and for the sake of others, I hope not.

Back to the day job: Prince Andrew continues to 'focus on his work' hours after dismissing 'sex slave' claims at Davos

Prince Andrew publicly denied underage sex allegations at Davos last night
He was seen leaving luxury chalet today after vowing to 'focus on work'
Used televised speech to repeat 'emphatic' Buckingham Palace denials
Follows weeks of sex claims from Virginia Roberts whose lawyers have called for Prince Andrew to swear on oath


http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2923267/Back-day-job-Prince-Andrew-continues-focus-work-hours-dismissing-sex-slave-claims-Davos.html#ixzz3PfdJcUKG

He shouldn't be in Davos, he should be in the US giving some kind of statement.


Title: Re: Prince Andrew Underage Sex Abuse Scandal Part II
Post by: AnaBolena on January 23, 2015, 06:29:59 pm
The greatest pity is that this woman didn't report the 'assault' when there WAS bodily evidence.  Why?  Why didn't she do what millions of others do?  Why?


Title: Re: Prince Andrew Underage Sex Abuse Scandal Part II
Post by: Freya on January 23, 2015, 07:03:09 pm
I can never understand a father of young girls treating other young girls in such a way. Victoria Roberts aside there were other  young women that were parading around naked. How would he feel if Beatrice or Eugenie were treated like this?


Title: Re: Prince Andrew Underage Sex Abuse Scandal Part II
Post by: Kuei Fei on January 23, 2015, 07:11:14 pm
The greatest pity is that this woman didn't report the 'assault' when there WAS bodily evidence.  Why?  Why didn't she do what millions of others do?  Why?

She was brainwashed and intimidated by the powerful people.

Remember, she was just a kid at the time and easily manipulated and cowed.


Title: Re: Prince Andrew Underage Sex Abuse Scandal Part II
Post by: Rebecca on January 23, 2015, 07:45:15 pm
^^Im sure he made no comparison between these girls and his daughters. I would think that he just saw these girls as one of the perks of royalty, as servants, in a way. IMO, of course.


Title: Re: Prince Andrew Underage Sex Abuse Scandal Part II
Post by: Kuei Fei on January 23, 2015, 08:32:29 pm
To Andrew, a pure bred elitist, I'm sure he views his daughters as more human than the children he used.


Title: Re: Prince Andrew Underage Sex Abuse Scandal Part II
Post by: AnaBolena on January 23, 2015, 08:36:37 pm
I can never understand a father of young girls treating other young girls in such a way. Victoria Roberts aside there were other  young women that were parading around naked. How would he feel if Beatrice or Eugenie were treated like this?

He hasn't been proven guilty yet.  What has happened to innocent until proven otherwise?

I'm being honest here as an assault victim at that age - but aren't we crossing moral boundaries 'if' we say he's guilty? 

Imagine being accused of something like this if you hadn't done it?  Hence the presumption of innocence until proven otherwise.



Title: Re: Prince Andrew Underage Sex Abuse Scandal Part II
Post by: Kuei Fei on January 23, 2015, 08:49:56 pm
Thing is, stuff is adding up that we could dismiss, but this is beyond coincidence. People socialize with the people they're like. Parties at his private island? Parties at Epstein's apartments? Or mansion? This is not a one time run-in, but an ongoing issue that has done horrendous damage.


Title: Re: Prince Andrew Underage Sex Abuse Scandal Part II
Post by: cate1949 on January 23, 2015, 09:13:30 pm
First Andy was not served papers by a US Court he was sent papers from Ms. Robert's attorneys.

Second the US and Britain have a very cooperative agreement re: extradition and related matters.  If a US court wants a Brit citizen to either give evidence or be charged they file papers with the Brit gov who then decides either yes or no.  Typically yes.  Since the request is for information at this point - not charging Andy - he would then give his testimony in a Brit court under the supervision of a Brit judge etc.  He would not need to go to the US. 

Andy does not have royal immunity which applies only to the Monarch nor is he a diplomat who was with Epstein whist on diplomatic business.  He has no immunity - he may try to claim it but I rather doubt he would succeed.  He does however have 5th amendment rights and so would not be obliged to answer questions that would incriminate him in a crime. 

Andrew is toast no matter what else happens.  Even without the upcoming court case.  His reputation is ruined.  Switzerland provides him with no refuge - he is not a citizen there and this case lacks the features that protected Polanski.  Life in Switzerland would not be to Andy's liking either.  As for Fergie - whatever money she earns is coming from the US now - her infomercials.  I suspect that will dry up shortly - her rep is tied to Andy's. 

MY guess is - and we are all just guessing - that the Queen ultimate loyalty  to the continuation of the monarchy and IF that requires repudiation of Andrew that is what will happen even if it causes her much personal pain.  It will be done with little fanfare - quietly but I'd bet it will be done.  Davos is probably Andy's last hurrah.  It seems to me that understandably HM may believe Andy right now - but as the evidence piles up and the exposure continues - that position will have to be re-evaluated.


Title: Re: Prince Andrew Underage Sex Abuse Scandal Part II
Post by: Val on January 23, 2015, 11:45:29 pm
Interesting comment from several other forums today!


Word out in London that RPO's saying he is guilty - they were there but are gagged!!!


Title: Re: Prince Andrew Underage Sex Abuse Scandal Part II
Post by: Rosella on January 24, 2015, 12:10:36 am
Interesting comment from several other forums today!


Word out in London that RPO's saying he is guilty - they were there but are gagged!!!


Surprising that RPO's are saying anything unofficially to anyone --considering they are bound by the Official Secrets Act.


Title: Re: Prince Andrew Underage Sex Abuse Scandal Part II
Post by: Freya on January 24, 2015, 11:29:01 am
I can never understand a father of young girls treating other young girls in such a way. Victoria Roberts aside there were other  young women that were parading around naked. How would he feel if Beatrice or Eugenie were treated like this?

He hasn't been proven guilty yet.  What has happened to innocent until proven otherwise?

I'm being honest here as an assault victim at that age - but aren't we crossing moral boundaries 'if' we say he's guilty? 

Imagine being accused of something like this if you hadn't done it?  Hence the presumption of innocence until proven otherwise.



As I said Victoria Roberts aside he has allegedly attended parties where there were naked  young women in attendance. He has also associated with a known alleged paedophile. If you lie down with dogs (Epstein) you come up with fleas).


Title: Re: Prince Andrew Underage Sex Abuse Scandal Part II
Post by: Stephanie on January 24, 2015, 11:55:38 am
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2923267/Back-day-job-Prince-Andrew-continues-focus-work-hours-dismissing-sex-slave-claims-Davos.html


Title: Re: Prince Andrew Underage Sex Abuse Scandal Part II
Post by: gingerboy24 on January 24, 2015, 12:20:23 pm
Interesting comment from several other forums today!


Word out in London that RPO's saying he is guilty - they were there but are gagged!!!


Very interesting Val.  Such a shame they are gagged by the Official Secrets Act, would love it if they were able to divulge it all to the public.  No doubt they gossip among themselves and things get out, loose lips and keen ears around, only takes one person to pick up on something and it is viral on the internet before they know it.  I feel pretty sure the royals *despise* the internet and the social media sites with a vengeance.  Randy andy taking a real bashing on Facebook, and there is I *despise* Camilla page too, had a quick look at that, boy is it scathing, not near the bone but right through the bone. Amazing what you find on Facebook at times.  I bet those RPO´s gossip a lot, how they must *despise* the covering up they have to do for that vile family.  If only wasty´s RPO´s could tell their tale, now that would be interesting.  You will never stop people chatting among themselves, that is how many thing shave come out over the years, not just with royals either.


Title: Re: Prince Andrew Underage Sex Abuse Scandal Part II
Post by: Miss Hathaway on January 24, 2015, 01:43:12 pm
The greatest pity is that this woman didn't report the 'assault' when there WAS bodily evidence.  Why?  Why didn't she do what millions of others do?  Why?


And why is she singling out Andrew?  She says she was with him three times; correct? Who else was she with when she was underage?  Why are her lawyers not going after them along with Andrew?   Why just Andrew? 


Title: Re: Prince Andrew Underage Sex Abuse Scandal Part II
Post by: Snowdrop on January 24, 2015, 01:52:29 pm
PA/his lawyers may have refused to accept papers that were served on him last week but these American lawyers are not giving up

http://www.google.co.uk/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=1&cad=rja&uact=8&ved=0CCIQqQIwAA&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.dailymail.co.uk%2Fnews%2Farticle-2923267%2FBack-day-job-Prince-Andrew-continues-focus-work-hours-dismissing-sex-slave-claims-Davos.html&ei=BqPDVOCtLcbB7AaD_oHQBw&usg=AFQjCNEd7WXaAnvzztEQDtsbMYOZUTrgdA&bvm=bv.84349003,d.ZWU


Title: Re: Prince Andrew Underage Sex Abuse Scandal Part II
Post by: Stephanie on January 24, 2015, 01:53:21 pm
It wasn't just Randy, others are named in the court documents.


Title: Re: Prince Andrew Underage Sex Abuse Scandal Part II
Post by: kolkomilko on January 24, 2015, 01:54:42 pm
^^^ That's what I don't understand. Why just Andrew (on the cover)? And the girls who were underage? Their parents? Anyway the girl seem to be glad, smiling, etc. Why is she crying and complain now? Are their parents not responsible? There are questions must be answered.  ???


Title: Re: Prince Andrew Underage Sex Abuse Scandal Part II
Post by: Snowdrop on January 24, 2015, 01:57:52 pm
^ If andrew would act like a decent himan being and co-operate with the lawyers and legal process you might get the answer to your questions.  the more he runs and ides the more guilty he looks.


Title: Re: Prince Andrew Underage Sex Abuse Scandal Part II
Post by: Stephanie on January 24, 2015, 01:59:43 pm
Totally agree.


Title: Re: Prince Andrew Underage Sex Abuse Scandal Part II
Post by: kolkomilko on January 24, 2015, 02:03:38 pm
^^ You don't understand what I am speaking about. But I think I am not the only one who has question. I am not talking about Andrew is not guilty, just read all of my comments before. I just enlighten the other side. Read it again.


Title: Re: Prince Andrew Underage Sex Abuse Scandal Part II
Post by: AnaBolena on January 24, 2015, 04:38:18 pm
^ I hear you Kolkomilko and I doubt this would make sense to many assault victims.  A victim isn't all smiles at the time of the acts being forced upon her, but where was her family in all of this? 

I also am not saying PA is innocent; I honestly don't know - it's certainly not my place to decide!  I hope he decides to clear the matter up one way or another.   

I am confused by all the other big 'names' she has claimed to have been forced to be with.  Why are their names not top headline news?  Why just PA? 

One picture she is showing as to how young she looked - she was wearing a wedding band - very strange!

As much as I question any of the BRF members, I also question the credibility of this woman.  Slaves do not get paid and neither do victims of assault.  Brainwashing is one thing but PTSD that would by its very nature accompany such an assault upon her would most certainly render her unsmiling. 



Title: Re: Prince Andrew Underage Sex Abuse Scandal Part II
Post by: kolkomilko on January 24, 2015, 04:50:40 pm
^ Yes, I also wanted to speak about my arised questions, fully indepentent of Andrew.  That's about this forum, I think. You also raised interesting thoughts. Nothing more.


Title: Re: Prince Andrew Underage Sex Abuse Scandal Part II
Post by: Freya on January 24, 2015, 05:26:29 pm
Some of these girls would be from broken homes and be quite vulnerable. They would be groomed by Epstein.


Title: Re: Prince Andrew Underage Sex Abuse Scandal Part II
Post by: YooperModerator on January 24, 2015, 08:13:04 pm
http://gawker.com/here-is-alleged pedophile-billionaire-jeffrey-epsteins-little-b-1681383992 (http://gawker.com/here-is-alleged pedophile-billionaire-jeffrey-epsteins-little-b-1681383992)

The house boy Rodriguez' black book of Jeffrey Epstein, in entire.  (You'll find the Duke and Duchess of York on page 21).  I also notice Koo Stark in the book and Dershowitz and Clinton are there along with a host of others.  Interesting read with a magnifying glass.

According to an FBI affidavit, Rodriguez described the address book and the information contained within it as the "Holy Grail" or "Golden Nugget" to unraveling Epstein's sprawling child-sex network. But despite having been subpoenaed for everything he had on his former boss, Rodriguez didn't share it with the FBI or Palm Beach Police Department detectives investigating Epstein. Instead, he tried to make a $50,000 score by covertly peddling the black book to one of the attorneys launching lawsuits at Epstein on behalf of his victims.

 (http://According to an FBI affidavit, Rodriguez described the address book and the information contained within it as the "Holy Grail" or "Golden Nugget" to unraveling Epstein's sprawling child-sex network. But despite having been subpoenaed for everything he had on his former boss, Rodriguez didn't share it with the FBI or Palm Beach Police Department detectives investigating Epstein. Instead, he tried to make a $50,000 score by covertly peddling the black book to one of the attorneys launching lawsuits at Epstein on behalf of his victims.)

So, the attorneys who are representing the young women now have the book after Rodriguez was charged with obstruction of justice for trying to peddle the book.  And so does Gawker, apparently.  They caught it.

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Although Bill Clinton and Prince Andrew have been mentioned in connection with Epstein's sordid deeds, their names aren't circled in the black book. But Epstein did have 21 contact numbers and various email addresses for Clinton, as well as several contact numbers for the prince.


Title: Re: Prince Andrew Underage Sex Abuse Scandal Part II
Post by: Kuei Fei on January 24, 2015, 09:00:04 pm
I can never understand a father of young girls treating other young girls in such a way. Victoria Roberts aside there were other  young women that were parading around naked. How would he feel if Beatrice or Eugenie were treated like this?
He hasn't been proven guilty yet.  What has happened to innocent until proven otherwise?

I'm being honest here as an assault victim at that age - but aren't we crossing moral boundaries 'if' we say he's guilty? 

Imagine being accused of something like this if you hadn't done it?  Hence the presumption of innocence until proven otherwise.
As I said Victoria Roberts aside he has allegedly attended parties where there were naked  young women in attendance. He has also associated with a known alleged alleged paedophile. If you lie down with dogs (Epstein) you come up with fleas).

If you socialize with someone who messes with young girls, normally an innocent man would bolt from the friendship and never look back. Yet, Andrew continued the friendship, went to parties, accepted money on behalf of his ex-wife (who is pathetically more worthless by the year), and even had him on the royal estates.


Title: Re: Prince Andrew Underage Sex Abuse Scandal Part II
Post by: Fly on the wall on January 24, 2015, 09:16:06 pm
If Prince Andrew is innocent he should prove it rather than ignore it

Prince Andrew has spent a lifetime being protected by his mother’s lackeys.

Whenever he’s been under attack for his ­profligacy, his lavish lifestyle, his lack of any credible career, his divorce, there’s always been some Buck House flunkey there to issue a statement and bail him out.

But not this time.

This time, Andy’s going to have to deal with the sleazy sex allegations which are engulfing him – and embarrassing the royal family – all by himself.

He thought if he ignored Virginia Roberts’ under age sex and orgy claims it would all go away.
http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/prince-andrew-innocent-should-prove-5036446


Title: Re: Prince Andrew Underage Sex Abuse Scandal Part II
Post by: Stephanie on January 24, 2015, 09:33:04 pm
^
Randy seems to think that he allegedly can violent physical attack a minor only 3 years older then his daughter, literally zip his pants and leave the child in Epstein 's convicted hands, then walk off and act like nothing happened.


Title: Re: Prince Andrew Underage Sex Abuse Scandal Part II
Post by: Fly on the wall on January 24, 2015, 11:12:19 pm
Adrew flew on alleged alleged paedophile pal Jeffrey Epstein’s private 'sex' jet


The Duke of York appears in the log book for the 13-seater Gulfstream allegedly used by the US billionaire to host mile-high romps with underage girls

Prince Andrew enjoyed time aboard alleged alleged paedophile pal Jeffrey Epstein’s personal jet, records show.

He appears in the log book for the US billionaire’s 13-seater Gulfstream.

Epstein is alleged to have used the jet along with his private 727 to host mile-high romps with underage girls.

The Prince’s name appears on a flight from New Jersey to Palm Beach, Florida, on May 12, 2000.

Also aboard was supermodel Naomi Campbell as well as British socialite Ghislaine Maxwell, accused in court papers of being a ‘madame’ for Epstein’s sex parties.

A female called “Alexia” and an unnamed male are listed. So is “ET”, thought to be British actress Emmy Tayler, a pal of Epstein, and “AP” – Alberto Pinto, the billionaire’s interior designer.
http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/prince-andrew-flew-alleged alleged paedophile-pal-5037951


Prince Andrew, and what exactly does he do?

(CNN)The Duke of York has said his piece and personally made his position clear.

In a much-trailed speech in Davos at a reception at the World Economic Forum the resilient royal "reiterated and reaffirmed" the categorical denials made by Buckingham Palace issued on his behalf over accusations that he was repeatedly intimate with an alleged underage "sex slave."

Andrew, still fifth in line to the British throne and Queen Elizabeth II's second son, carefully and wisely avoided mentioning the name Virginia Roberts (Jane Doe 3 in filed U.S. court papers) -- the woman at the center of the sordid claims. He also did not repeat the specific allegations made against him.
http://edition.cnn.com/2015/01/23/opinion/prince-andrew-point/index.html


Title: Re: Prince Andrew Underage Sex Abuse Scandal Part II
Post by: Fly on the wall on January 24, 2015, 11:27:22 pm
Wake up, people: without Prince Andrew the UK economy would collapse
Sex allegations aside, all the financial bigwigs and CEOs speaking out on his behalf can’t be mistaken … can they?


Has there ever, in the entire history of international relations and commerce, been a cover like that deployed by Prince Andrew? This is a man of whom the popular perception is that he couldn’t actually tie his own shoelaces. I had always assumed that everybody had always assumed that Andy’s former job as “UK trade envoy” was merely some sinecure designed to get the Queen’s second son between golf courses without any boring little people making a fuss about who was paying for the helicopters.

Even within a family fabled around the world for their stupidity (certainly since George I), Andrew was the stupid one. In the weirdo Windsor nursery of 1968 – think of it as Powers in the Attic – he would have called Prince Edward clever clogs.

It turns out that I couldn’t have been more wrong (hardly a surprise to any regular readers of this offering, it should go without saying). Owing to the whole “underage sex slave allegations” thing currently besetting the Duke of York, an utterly bewildering number of bigwigs are coming out of the woodwork to speak up for Andy’s indispensability.
http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2015/jan/23/prince-andrew-uk-economy-sex-allegations


Title: Re: Prince Andrew Underage Sex Abuse Scandal Part II
Post by: Val on January 25, 2015, 12:26:48 am
Apparently what has come out so far is just the tip of the iceberg and the names allegedly involved is quite mind blowing.  This isn't going to go away and it is no surprise (considering those who are involved) that there has been a major cover up.


Title: Re: Prince Andrew Underage Sex Abuse Scandal Part II
Post by: Kuei Fei on January 25, 2015, 01:34:32 am
Notice how no one is coming out and saying that he's innocent, not publicly. Not one VIP is publicly claiming to the world that they know Andrew and know he's innocent. No major name is currently making it clear that they refuse to accept Andrew as a man clean of messing with kids.

Just like with Cosby.

Wake up, people: without Prince Andrew the UK economy would collapse
Sex allegations aside, all the financial bigwigs and CEOs speaking out on his behalf can’t be mistaken … can they?


Has there ever, in the entire history of international relations and commerce, been a cover like that deployed by Prince Andrew? This is a man of whom the popular perception is that he couldn’t actually tie his own shoelaces. I had always assumed that everybody had always assumed that Andy’s former job as “UK trade envoy” was merely some sinecure designed to get the Queen’s second son between golf courses without any boring little people making a fuss about who was paying for the helicopters.

Even within a family fabled around the world for their stupidity (certainly since George I), Andrew was the stupid one. In the weirdo Windsor nursery of 1968 – think of it as Powers in the Attic – he would have called Prince Edward clever clogs.

It turns out that I couldn’t have been more wrong (hardly a surprise to any regular readers of this offering, it should go without saying). Owing to the whole “underage sex slave allegations” thing currently besetting the Duke of York, an utterly bewildering number of bigwigs are coming out of the woodwork to speak up for Andy’s indispensability.
http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2015/jan/23/prince-andrew-uk-economy-sex-allegations

I think the UK would do better to have Andrew removed. With his rep and his attitude and grasping wifey, I do think that he is more a liability.


Title: Re: Prince Andrew Underage Sex Abuse Scandal Part II
Post by: Ariel on January 25, 2015, 05:38:43 am
The greatest pity is that this woman didn't report the 'assault' when there WAS bodily evidence.  Why?  Why didn't she do what millions of others do?  Why?


And why is she singling out Andrew?  She says she was with him three times; correct? Who else was she with when she was underage?  Why are her lawyers not going after them along with Andrew?   Why just Andrew? 

duskovitz - he's also sued.


Title: Re: Prince Andrew Underage Sex Abuse Scandal Part II
Post by: Ariel on January 25, 2015, 05:55:26 am

 :sorry: the modify post timed out ..

^^^ That's what I don't understand. Why just Andrew (on the cover)? And the girls who were underage? Their parents? Anyway the girl seem to be glad, smiling, etc. Why is she crying and complain now? Are their parents not responsible? There are questions must be answered.  ???

Andy is not so special. Others are being sues too. Big shots. The only one who is not pursued and he should is Clinton. he just needs some jail time.

kolko, at such a young age girls are easily influenced. if a 'nice woman' tells them that they can earn extra money, that they can learn some new things, 'befriend' influential people - and presents thing as fabulously as possible - the girls may not even realize that they are alluded to prostit**. i strongly disagree that the girls should not complain just because they were paid to have sex with perverted old men. they were made to do those things and obviously no amount of money can make the memory of it go away.

the very fact that the girl had to escape to a different continent and change her name shows that they were slaved and had no free will to leave 'the job'. they were slaved and trafficked.


Title: Re: Prince Andrew Underage Sex Abuse Scandal Part II
Post by: Stephanie on January 25, 2015, 10:12:03 am
http://www.express.co.uk/news/royal/554104/Prince-Andrew-s-Ex-Fergie-Duchess-of-York-prove-alibi-over-sex-slave-orgy-claims
Gee, I wonder how Fergie suddenly got that multi million mansion in Switzerland! :laugh:


Title: Re: Prince Andrew Underage Sex Abuse Scandal Part II
Post by: Ariel on January 25, 2015, 12:13:31 pm
can you imagine how the York sisters must feel knowing that on their family vacation 'daddy' was having sex with children younger than them...
cross my fingers that roberts's lawyers will figure out a way to expose Fergie's 'integrity'


Title: Re: Prince Andrew Underage Sex Abuse Scandal Part II
Post by: Stephanie on January 25, 2015, 12:14:59 pm
 :thumbsup:


Title: Re: Prince Andrew Underage Sex Abuse Scandal Part II
Post by: gingerboy24 on January 25, 2015, 12:17:59 pm
Find it rather strange that she did not come out with this in the beginning.  Anyone know what the perjury laws are in the US, she wants to be careful, especially in such a high profile case.  Anyone else smell last weeks fish here, gone off something rotten.  The arrogance of the royals to think that we are even fooled by this one bit is amazing.  They need to get a life and realise the public woke up them all quite a few years back and no longer believe all the lies they push out.  News alert - we don't believe you royals, wake up and smell the coffee.


Title: Re: Prince Andrew Underage Sex Abuse Scandal Part II
Post by: Snowdrop on January 25, 2015, 04:04:17 pm
GB - I think that lot lost their sense of smell a long time ago  :laugh:


Title: Re: Prince Andrew Underage Sex Abuse Scandal Part II
Post by: gingerboy24 on January 25, 2015, 04:16:37 pm
^ Agree  :James:

Came across this, it is from 2010, but it does show what an arrogant so and so randy andy is, and how low he is viewed in various countries. Well worth a read.

A boorish, bungling freeloader: Blistering verdict on Prince Andrew by envoy who worked with him

http://www.itv.com/news/update/2015-01-24/green-party-plans-to-ship-queen-into-council-house/

Love this bit, greedy and grasping to the end

There was invariably a moment of high drama at the end of each of the Prince’s visits — when the royal ­luggage was being loaded into our convoys to go the airport (the valet having already gone ahead in an embassy minibus with his trusty ironing board).
At this point, the Bahraini royal protocol escort would always hand over bags of presents.
The equerry would then rush forward and say these were Prince Andrew’s personal presents and that embassy personnel were not to touch anything.
One can only guess what was in those bags. The late emir, Sheikh Isa, gave a golden dhow — a type of boat — to the Prince of Wales and Lady Diana as their wedding present, which I believe ended up in a London auction house.


And this

There was also a 6ft-long ironing board that he insisted went everywhere he went. It was hilarious to ­witness the valet (a word that always had to be pronounced with an emphasis on the ‘t’) struggling off the plane with it and placing the precious object carefully into the minibus we used on such occasions.

On one of his visits to Bahrain, I remember the valet carrying the ­ironing board through the front entrance of the Ritz-Carlton Hotel

When I asked the valet why on earth it was necessary to travel with this piece of equipment while his boss was staying in the best five-star hotels in the world, I was dismissed with the reply: ‘No one knows how to iron His Royal Highnesses’ trousers like me.’


 :laugh: :laugh: :laugh:  Couldn´t make it up could you.


Title: Re: Prince Andrew Underage Sex Abuse Scandal Part II
Post by: Stephanie on January 25, 2015, 06:54:44 pm
^ :laugh:

This is chilling.
http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2015/01/25/epstein-s-first-accuser-tells-her-story.html
Epstein's "massages" by a 14 year old girl.
SM books and I wonder what the dungeon was for, the dungeon where Randy allegedly received a "massage".


Title: Re: Prince Andrew Underage Sex Abuse Scandal Part II
Post by: gingerboy24 on January 25, 2015, 07:45:02 pm
Saw this on Facebook earlier, so easy once things start leaking, the others start crawling out of the woodwork.  Bit like wimpo friends knowing about the "pregnancy", only takes one to start the ball rolling.  Wonder how man more girls will tell their stories now the it is all public, be interesting watching it all unfold.  That Epstein is a real slime bucket, randy andy was a fool to ever be associated with him.


Title: Re: Prince Andrew Underage Sex Abuse Scandal Part II
Post by: AnaBolena on January 25, 2015, 07:53:59 pm
The greatest pity is that this woman didn't report the 'assault' when there WAS bodily evidence.  Why?  Why didn't she do what millions of others do?  Why?


And why is she singling out Andrew?  She says she was with him three times; correct? Who else was she with when she was underage?  Why are her lawyers not going after them along with Andrew?   Why just Andrew? 

duskovitz - he's also sued.


He's called her an outright liar and says he can prove it.
He might be being sued, but he is also suing.  :dontknow:


Title: Re: Prince Andrew Underage Sex Abuse Scandal Part II
Post by: Val on January 25, 2015, 07:58:30 pm
General feeling now is that this is the tip of the iceberg and many more horrifying stories about to emerge.


Title: Re: Prince Andrew Underage Sex Abuse Scandal Part II
Post by: cate1949 on January 25, 2015, 08:16:17 pm
Roberts already sued Epstein - settled out of court - she got they think 2 million - she cannot sue him again

Epstein has settled out of court with 40 girls

Dershowitz is countersuing the attorneys for the first two Jane Does who have filed this lawsuit - he is not suing Roberts.

The two attorneys who have filed the suit against the fed prosecutors sued Dershowitz first for defamation - they say they can prove the claims and Dershowitz defamed them by going on TV etc

Gawker has published flight logs that prove Dershowitz lied when he claimed to hardly know Epstein and to have only gone to any Epstein home with his wife.  The flight logs reveal otherwise.



Title: Re: Prince Andrew Underage Sex Abuse Scandal Part II
Post by: Kuei Fei on January 25, 2015, 08:24:29 pm
Forty girls!

Oh my holy redeemer!

As for the flight logs, oh Andrew is likely on them as well. Andrew had better provide concrete proof he's innocent or 'fess up now.


Title: Re: Prince Andrew Underage Sex Abuse Scandal Part II
Post by: cate1949 on January 25, 2015, 08:30:27 pm
You have to recognize how smart these attorneys are.  Epstein got away with this because of his powerful famous connections but by naming big names - Dershowitz and Andy - these attorneys have shown they are not afraid of anyone and so have cut Epstein off from his powerful safety network.  Now all the famous who may just have been associates and not have engaged in any of the crimes will run from this guy like crazy.  No one will try to protect him this time.  Notice how fast Clinton's disassociated.  Also they got a lot of pr so the public knows too.  Epstein has lost his magic circle and there won't be anymore lenient deals.  Very smart strategy.


Title: Re: Prince Andrew Underage Sex Abuse Scandal Part II
Post by: Little light on January 25, 2015, 09:53:50 pm
I thought this whole episode was disgusting when I read Jane Doe 3's statement but it is getting a lot worse, if that was possible.

And it will get more depraved as time goes on. And this case will go on and on and PA and the brf will be substantially and perhaps irrevocably damaged by these allegations, especially if they can be proved.

This is not something PA will ever be able to shake off, depsite his claims of innocence.

What on earth was he thinking of even socialising with Epstein, never mind hanging about with multiple teenagers?



Title: Re: Prince Andrew Underage Sex Abuse Scandal Part II
Post by: Kuei Fei on January 25, 2015, 10:05:10 pm
If there is open proof and it's shown, Andrew and the BRF will be irrevocably damaged since they've openly announced their belief in his innocence. If photos of Andrew diddling an underage girl leak out, the BRF is toast, while the Yorks will be incinerated.


Title: Re: Prince Andrew Underage Sex Abuse Scandal Part II
Post by: Val on January 25, 2015, 10:44:19 pm
There are apparently not only 'photos but videos as Epstein is said to have spied on bedroom activities through two way mirrors.


Title: Re: Prince Andrew Underage Sex Abuse Scandal Part II
Post by: cate1949 on January 25, 2015, 11:14:34 pm
yup^ the Miami Police are supposed to be in possession of videos and still photographs


Title: Re: Prince Andrew Underage Sex Abuse Scandal Part II
Post by: Kuei Fei on January 26, 2015, 12:15:43 am
Any bets that the Miami police will start leaking them to the media? I wager it'll be horrific and Andrew will be lucky to escape to Switzerland with his life.


Title: Re: Prince Andrew Underage Sex Abuse Scandal Part II
Post by: cate1949 on January 26, 2015, 12:29:11 am
Switzerland will be no refuge for Andy.

The little black book - Epstein's contact book has now been published.  Seems some of the names involved in the UK alleged pedophile scandal are in there.

It is important to recognize that many of the names in this contact book could just be business associates and not involved in any scandal - but - William VanStraubanzee's name is in there.  He is the Uncle of Will and Harry's friends a bachelor stock broker who was the guy who arranged for Will and Harry to go to that strip club as a bachelor party for Will.  This was the one where there was simulated lesbian sex and a semi naked woman lays an egg etc.  This gets more dangerous the longer it goes on as more people get tarred by any association with Epstein and Andy.

Personally - these traffickers and alleged pedo's can't be revealed soon enough and punished - we need to scour  this rot out.


Title: Re: Prince Andrew Underage Sex Abuse Scandal Part II
Post by: Kuei Fei on January 26, 2015, 03:31:16 am
Thing is, black books are where men keep names and numbers of women and apparently if this is published in full and Andrew is there, people will connect the dots. This isn't just a kind of address books, they're called black books for a reason. I remember the name of the club, "The Box" and it was described in the DM.


Title: Re: Prince Andrew Underage Sex Abuse Scandal Part II
Post by: Fly on the wall on January 26, 2015, 03:58:26 am
Princess Eugenie's fears for her father

There is chatter that Eugenie, 24, who is particularly close to Prince Andrew, would like a break from her job at Paddle8, an online art auction firm, so that she can offer her father support over allegations made by Virginia Roberts, who claims she was paid to sleep with the prince as a teenage “sex slave”.

“This whole business has really taken its toll on Andrew; more than most people realise,” confides a friend close to the Yorks.

“Eugenie is very worried about him. She cannot bear to see him go through this. She wants to be there to hug him and cheer him up.”

Eugenie, who is an arts graduate from Newcastle University, always knew she wanted to pursue a career in the art world
.http://www.express.co.uk/comment/columnists/adam-helliker/554059/Princess-Eugenie-Prince-Andrew



Title: Re: Prince Andrew Underage Sex Abuse Scandal Part II
Post by: cate1949 on January 26, 2015, 04:13:36 am
is this an attempt to gain sympathy for Andrew? 


Title: Re: Prince Andrew Underage Sex Abuse Scandal Part II
Post by: Kuei Fei on January 26, 2015, 04:26:24 am
I have no idea. I do know that Eugenie is completely WRONG in her sympathies. I'm the first person to understand loyalty to a father, but this is taking it a notch too far. A huge part of maturity is seeing someone for who they are in full, even a parent or grandparent. Eugenie should be asking her father about the truth of it all.

Princess Eugenie's fears for her father

There is chatter that Eugenie, 24, who is particularly close to Prince Andrew, would like a break from her job at Paddle8, an online art auction firm, so that she can offer her father support over allegations made by Virginia Roberts, who claims she was paid to sleep with the prince as a teenage “sex slave”.

“This whole business has really taken its toll on Andrew; more than most people realise,” confides a friend close to the Yorks.

“Eugenie is very worried about him. She cannot bear to see him go through this. She wants to be there to hug him and cheer him up.”

Eugenie, who is an arts graduate from Newcastle University, always knew she wanted to pursue a career in the art world
.http://www.express.co.uk/comment/columnists/adam-helliker/554059/Princess-Eugenie-Prince-Andrew

Can't bear to see her father called out for the alleged pedophile he likely is? Eugenie obviously has misplaced priorities when it comes to empathizing. She should be furious that her father put himself in a situation to be suspected of this, much less openly accused and summoned by a lawyer.


Title: Re: Prince Andrew Underage Sex Abuse Scandal Part II
Post by: cate1949 on January 26, 2015, 05:12:00 am
^ add empathy for the young girls who were victims of Andy's pal at the least and perhaps even Andy himself




Title: Re: Prince Andrew Underage Sex Abuse Scandal Part II
Post by: FortressODaveBarry on January 26, 2015, 05:14:45 am
"A boorish, bungling freeloader: Blistering verdict on Prince Andrew by envoy who worked with him"

"The thank-you letters he sent to his hosts after one visit to Bahrain — ­referring to ‘my little plane parked next to your stunning jet’ —"

I took that the wrong way for a second. Well, it is Andrew we're talking about. And if you've seen his nudes...  



Title: Re: Prince Andrew Underage Sex Abuse Scandal Part II
Post by: HRH Tiana of NOLA on January 26, 2015, 05:16:04 am
Any bets that the Miami police will start leaking them to the media? I wager it'll be horrific and Andrew will be lucky to escape to Switzerland with his life.

They can't leak any that would actually have the girls in them. It would be considered child pornography.


Title: Re: Prince Andrew Underage Sex Abuse Scandal Part II
Post by: Kuei Fei on January 26, 2015, 05:24:50 am
Good point, but at some point, something is going to come out. No way will this be contained forever.

^ add empathy for the young girls who were victims of Andy's pal at the least and perhaps even Andy himself

The entire York family is disgusting; Eugenie cares so much about her pervert father, her mooching mother, and frankly this makes it clear that the Yorks should be cut out. If Charles was right about one thing, he's right that the Yorks should be cut off the royal purse and make their own way. Their messes are constant and I do bet that Charles knew more than enough about all of this and this is his main reason for wanting Andrew and Co. off of the royal balcony.


Title: Re: Prince Andrew Underage Sex Abuse Scandal Part II
Post by: cate1949 on January 26, 2015, 06:08:11 am
Ultimately the Queen is responsible for assuring that Andy gets curtailed.  Now you all know I admire the Queen so it pains me to have to say this but - making him a knight back in 2011 when this first broke so that the questions would end was the wrong move.  Allowing him to do duties for the BRF is the wrong move and letting him go to Davos as a representative for the Crown was the wrong move.  And HM is the one responsible for all this - HM keeps backing Andy up.  And HM is going to end up paying a price for doing this.

Now he may be innocent of having sex with underage girls but he is clearly not innocent of associating with a known alleged pedophile, of being present when young girls semi naked were about, of friendships with known human rights violators and arms dealers.  It is just not okay to act like this will just go away.  He needs to be retired from public life they can use the excuse he needs to work on proving his innocence or some such thing - but the man is a lead weight around the neck of the monarchy.  Protecting the monarchy is HM's responsibility and as this goes on if the Queen is seen as protecting Andy it will seriously damage her.


Title: Re: Prince Andrew Underage Sex Abuse Scandal Part II
Post by: Kuei Fei on January 26, 2015, 06:35:38 am
I do think that HM is going to be the first sovereign in history to literally take down her own dynasty (aside from Mary Queen of Scots or perhaps others like Marie Antoinette), despite having the easiest reign and most easily uncontested ascension. Easiest ascension ever and she's destroying her dynasty over something like this. She could easily hand her son over to the law and turn herself into a living legend, but she's making the hugest mistake in her entire reign. HM is so unaware it's pitiful.


Title: Re: Prince Andrew Underage Sex Abuse Scandal Part II
Post by: Rosella on January 26, 2015, 09:54:58 am
I do think that HM is going to be the first sovereign in history to literally take down her own dynasty (aside from Mary Queen of Scots or perhaps others like Marie Antoinette), despite having the easiest reign and most easily uncontested ascension. Easiest ascension ever and she's destroying her dynasty over something like this. She could easily hand her son over to the law and turn herself into a living legend, but she's making the hugest mistake in her entire reign. HM is so unaware it's pitiful.

How can she turn her son over to the law when he hasn't been charged with anything? He's been mentioned in a civil action in the U.S., not arrested in a criminal matter. What is the Queen going to do, march him into the nearest police station? There'd be some extraordinarily surprised police!


Title: Re: Prince Andrew Underage Sex Abuse Scandal Part II
Post by: kolkomilko on January 26, 2015, 09:56:04 am
Probably it is a hard decision because Andrew is her son but HM should hand over Andrew to the law and let the truth come to light. I think it is her duty and people want it.


Title: Re: Prince Andrew Underage Sex Abuse Scandal Part II
Post by: Freya on January 26, 2015, 09:59:10 am
Quote
Now he may be innocent of having sex with underage girls but he is clearly not innocent of associating with a known alleged alleged alleged pedophile, of being present when young girls semi naked were about, of friendships with known human rights violators and arms dealers.  It is just not okay to act like this will just go away.  He needs to be retired from public life they can use the excuse he needs to work on proving his innocence or some such thing - but the man is a lead weight around the neck of the monarchy.  Protecting the monarchy is HM's responsibility and as this goes on if the Queen is seen as protecting Andy it will seriously damage her.

My thoughts entirely. Why he did not cut all associations with Epstein is beyond belief. It makes one wonder if Epstein has something on PA.

It's like QE commissioning a painting by Rolf Harris upon his release.

Andrew should retire from public life for the immediate future. He is not doing the Monarchy any good. If he was working for a corporation and allegations had been made he would be suspended. If he was an MP or minister he would have probably been forced to resign by now.   


Title: Re: Prince Andrew Underage Sex Abuse Scandal Part II
Post by: Rosella on January 26, 2015, 10:56:27 am
Quote
Now he may be innocent of having sex with underage girls but he is clearly not innocent of associating with a known alleged alleged alleged alleged pedophile, of being present when young girls semi naked were about, of friendships with known human rights violators and arms dealers.  It is just not okay to act like this will just go away.  He needs to be retired from public life they can use the excuse he needs to work on proving his innocence or some such thing - but the man is a lead weight around the neck of the monarchy.  Protecting the monarchy is HM's responsibility and as this goes on if the Queen is seen as protecting Andy it will seriously damage her.

My thoughts entirely. Why he did not cut all associations with Epstein is beyond belief. It makes one wonder if Epstein has something on PA.

It's like QE commissioning a painting by Rolf Harris upon his release.

Andrew should retire from public life for the immediate future. He is not doing the Monarchy any good. If he was working for a corporation and allegations had been made he would be suspended. If he was an MP or minister he would have probably been forced to resign by now.   

Absolutely, Freya. In fact the pig ought to have retired into private life at the time he was forced to give up his trade envoy position. He (and Fergie) are a disgrace.


Title: Re: Prince Andrew Underage Sex Abuse Scandal Part II
Post by: gingerboy24 on January 26, 2015, 11:00:36 am
She won´t do anything, like she does nothing about the lambebridges and the ginormous mess they are making of everything. Add on that randy andy is her favourite, always has been, and gets away with anything and everything. The public were led to believe that he was removed from the position of roving ambassador for the UK.  Yet now, with all this, we find that indeed that did not happen and he continued business as usual but without the title.  A lot of people say what a wonderful queen, blah blah blah, but that just proves how devious she is and that she tells whopping lies.  So, we ask ourselves, what else is she lying about.  If she can tell a lie like that of giganti  proportion, to the British public, then what are the other lies we have been told, of equally gigantic proportions. She didn´t suddenly start lying several years ago when this randy andy stuff first appeared, that much is obvious.  She is no sweet little old lady, she turned a blind eye to the bed hopping of philip and his alleged activites with youngsters, she should never have done that either.

She will do anything and everything, including more lies and deceit, and use her position, to try and ensure that he gets off, he will not be removed from his "duties" and the BRF will be an even bigger laughing stock than the lamebridges and medds are already making it.  The BRF reputation is in the gutter, it will now go deeper into the sewers.  Mention the BRF and people will immediately think of paedophiles and fake heirs, and the women HM has allowed into the family who are 200% totally unsuitable,  camzilla and wasty.  The bar could get no lower now, why not let the  toilet cleaner marry Prince Harry, might as well, she would fit right in with that low life, disgusting lot.  Let us remember chucky is not exempt from all this.  His very close association with savile, the statement they had held back with all the appropriate (or inappropriate) sentences removed, those with reference to chucky.

Paedophilia in the BRF seems to go back many, many years, possibly hundreds, and it is about time it all came out. As others have said, and also another reason why I think she will defend randy any to the hilt, is that there is too much to come out, this is the tip of the iceberg, if that melts the rest will come running out of the woodwork so fast she won´t know what has hit her.

There is only one thing to say about randy andy getting off this  -  the important people who are in the know, the ones who have been made to cover up all these disgusting situations, know the truth.  That recent article from the envoy about what randy andy is like when representing the Crown abroad, that was very revealing, and for sure he could have said a whole lot more I have no doubt.  How many more are there out there that could tell even more tales, on other matters.   Randy any was totaly stupid to (a) get involved in this in the first place, and (b) he should have distanced himself completely from Epstein and co from that point on several years ago.  As he didn´t, and should have, it does make you wonder just what else Epstein has on him doesn´t it.  You can´t force people to stand by you if they don´t want to and you have nothing to blackmail them with.

As for Eugenie, she should ask herself just what has her father been up to, not want to give up her job and comfort him  -  he has had younger than her "comforting" him, that is his problem.  Or is it an excuse to give up work. Who knows with that lot.  Beatrice seems to have more holidays and down time than doing any work.  Bred another lazy pair he thought the taxpayer would fund.

Sorry, but I think randy andy has done enormous damage to the biggest benefit scroungers in Britian, and his mother just might have him to thank him and the lamebridges for virtually bringing down the house of windsor.

In a video I watched the other, it referred to what HM owns, etc.  Windsor Castle is royal, until of course it was burned down, and she expected the public to pay for it to have all the repairs done.  As I recall there was a big back lash and she had to pay a fair percentage, but I do now wonder if she did, or was that just more press drivel to make us think she was paying.

Everything is hers until it goes wrong and needs money  - enter the public tax payer.  8 million in renovations for two homes for the lamebridges, but we have her bleating that the roof at BP is leaking and buckets have to be put out when it rains.  Should have thought about it before she okayed the money for the lamebridge renovations.

Love to know what she gives randy any, he earns nothing, most cost her a bomb to support him and his two daughers.

Sadly, randy andy and the lamebridges have opened a  ginormous Pandora´s Box, and there is no kicking it under the carpet or putting the lid back on, it just isn´t happening this time. I am sure there is far more than all this to come out, you can´t buy off everyone, as much as they might want to.  Even if this woman was stupid enough to take a settlement out of court, that is an admission of guilt without saying anything.


Title: Re: Prince Andrew Underage Sex Abuse Scandal Part II
Post by: Snowdrop on January 26, 2015, 11:40:00 am
Brilliant post GB - well thought out and written  - ITA with all of it.  To think this is the family I and many others were vrought yo to respect and admire makes me fell as sick as a pig.  the middies schemed to get waity into that family as though they were something wonderful - they may well be royal but I wouldn;t want any son or daughter of mine within a million miles of them.  As for PC wanting a slimmed-down monarchy and the Yorks kicked into touch - maybe PC knew something then that we didn't

Rosella - OK so andy hasn't been charged yet but attempts to serve papers on him/his lawyers are being rebuffed.  They tried to serve them in London but the RF lawyers refused to recieve them.  Attempts were made to serve them through the British Embassy in Washington but no further news on the success or otherwise so far. 

It is quite clear the RF/ER are protecting him - any innocent man would be more than eager to see exactly what he is accused of and clear his name, esp for something as horrendous as *nasty* activities.  IMO they are hoping they can use their oower to refuse to co-operate and it will all go away - does the smell of rotting fish disappear?- no, it gets worse.


Title: Re: Prince Andrew Underage Sex Abuse Scandal Part II
Post by: Freya on January 26, 2015, 12:00:45 pm
MP and Chief Whip Andrew Mitchell had to resign over "Plebgate" which whilst wrong seems a minor incident in comparision with PA's association with a convicted alleged paedophile. It's something that I find hard to understand that MP's resign over minor issues yet the RF seem to be untouchable. I wonder how long people will put up with this.


Title: Re: Prince Andrew Underage Sex Abuse Scandal Part II
Post by: Ariel on January 26, 2015, 04:29:43 pm
i wouldn't be surprised if  the article about Eugenie is commissioned by the RF so that they can build a character for Andy as a model citizen and a loving father. besides - it's best for her to not show her face in public cause when people see her they'll associate her with the sex offender dad.

Virginia should keep going. The more Andy hides from her and the law the more guilty he looks and the more he's becoming famous as a *nasty* prince. QE protesting him is only doing more harm. more people talk about this and more people qestion if he did it. and I would definitely love to see him on the stand, as well as his 13million alliby, i.e Fergie. maybe she'll change her branding from duchess discoveries to where's the duchess' integrity after that.


Title: Re: Prince Andrew Underage Sex Abuse Scandal Part II
Post by: Stephanie on January 26, 2015, 07:12:49 pm
Epstein forced the underage girls to dress as schoolgirls prior to raping them.
Gee I wonder what allegedly happened with Randy when he received one of countless "massages".
http://www.nydailynews.com/news/national/jeffrey-epstein-bondage-schoolgirl-getup-sex-slave-article-1.2092269


Title: Re: Prince Andrew Underage Sex Abuse Scandal Part II
Post by: Val on January 26, 2015, 08:35:48 pm
There are photos and videos of all this and they should be used which is apparently what is happening at the moment and why Victoria is so strong in her resolve to see Justice.


Title: Re: Prince Andrew Underage Sex Abuse Scandal Part II
Post by: Rebecca on January 26, 2015, 08:52:32 pm
^I sincerely hope that the victims get the justice they deserve. Disgusting that the RF is protecting him...


Title: Re: Prince Andrew Underage Sex Abuse Scandal Part II
Post by: gingerboy24 on January 26, 2015, 10:30:03 pm
Poor, poor innocent andy  -  do I feel sad for him?  Nope, not at all.

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Title: Re: Prince Andrew Underage Sex Abuse Scandal Part II
Post by: Val on January 26, 2015, 11:08:45 pm
What an horrendous pic, a young girl with her tongue right out looking as if she is about to lick him all over.  Totally revolting and it just illustrates everything.


Title: Re: Prince Andrew Underage Sex Abuse Scandal Part II
Post by: Fly on the wall on January 27, 2015, 07:18:45 pm
Jeffrey Epstein breaks his silence over Prince Andrew 'sex slave' scandal: Convicted alleged paedophile hits out at 'media frenzy' surrounding case

attacks' by the 'gossip media' in his first statement since former friend Prince Andrew was accused of having sex with a 17-year-old girl.
The billionaire spoke out as he tried to prevent the release of a key plea bargain letter from the 2008 underage prostitution case which saw him jailed for 18 months.
Epstein's lawyers condemned what they called a 'media frenzy' and said their client - who Virginia Roberts said in court papers compelled her to have sex with the Prince - deserved 'protection'.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2928650/Jeffrey-Epstein-breaks-silence-Prince-Andrew-sex-slave-scandal-Convicted-alleged paedophile-hits-media-frenzy-surrounding-case.html


Title: Re: Prince Andrew Underage Sex Abuse Scandal Part II
Post by: cate1949 on January 27, 2015, 08:42:38 pm
well of course the slimey creep is hitting out against the media frenzy - that is what will get him finally held to account for his crimes.  It was the gag order which kept the news of his easy deal from the press and the victims.  Without keeping it all hush hush Epstein would not have gotten away with it. 

so now he tries to keep the documents which show how hard he and his lawyers fought to keep it quiet suppressed.  Too bad slimy creep - the press has exposed you.

Keep up the media frenzy!

And poor Epstein needs protection?  That is rich coming from someone who's attorneys harassed the victims, the federal prosecutors and the Miami Police Chief (Epstein's attorneys actually had the police chief followed in an effort to catch him doing something wrong and so discredit him).

Creep.


Title: Re: Prince Andrew Underage Sex Abuse Scandal Part II
Post by: Little light on January 27, 2015, 08:59:00 pm
Poor, poor innocent andy  -  do I feel sad for him?  Nope, not at all.

https://us-mg42.mail.yahoo.com/ya/download?mid=2%5f0%5f0%5f1%5f7272222%5fAJAJDNkAABAcVMZPygNACEjiCF4&m=YaDownload&pid=2&fid=Inbox&inline=1&appid=yahoomail



I'm sorry but I cannot get the link to work.

It says I do not have access to see the document and it is forbidden to see it.

Can you repost please if possible?

 :thankyou:


Title: Re: Prince Andrew Underage Sex Abuse Scandal Part II
Post by: Val on January 28, 2015, 08:59:11 am
Not sure if this is anywhere else but it is too important not to post and is out there on other forums

'We have it on very good authority that Mossad rent-boys, MI5, are working overtime to execute a permanent CSA cover-up.

They are so desperate to prevent the truth about Britain’s VIP alleged paedophile ring being exposed, they’re trying every trick in the book to stop a planned inquiry going ahead.We have it on very good authority that Mossad rent-boys, MI5, are working overtime to execute a permanent CSA cover-up.

It also says:

The deaths would be attributed to a ‘heart condition’ or similar, and the public wouldn’t bat an eyelid due to the ages of the accused.

The apparent ‘stress’ they’ve been under would also be quoted as a contributing factor.

This is exactly what happened in the case of Robert McAlpine who is allegedly not dead at all but hiding out in a secret location.

Made me immediately think of Leon Brittan. Death from cancer not normally so sudden or unexpected, yet we heard nothing about it until his death. He is 75, so would be quite feasible, as the above says. Does make you wonder.

https://thecolemanexperience.wordpress.com/2014/09/23/are-alleged paedophile-politicians-about-to-fake-their-own-deaths/


Title: Re: Prince Andrew Underage Sex Abuse Scandal Part II
Post by: india on January 28, 2015, 11:35:27 am
Val, the link has been removed.


Title: Re: Prince Andrew Underage Sex Abuse Scandal Part II
Post by: Val on January 28, 2015, 12:28:43 pm
India - thank you - I wonder why?!


Title: Re: Prince Andrew Underage Sex Abuse Scandal Part II
Post by: gingerboy24 on January 28, 2015, 03:15:34 pm
@ Little Light.  Found it on a website.  Here is another URL and a link to the website.

http://resources1.news.com.au/images/2015/01/16/1227187/588777-e399b852-9d1c-11e4-b0c3-1d439f0b9016.jpg

http://www.news.com.au/lifestyle/real-life/jeffrey-epstein-judge-may-reveal-prince-andrews-alleged-bid-to-protect-alleged paedophile-tycoon/story-fnixwvgh-1227187589517

Sorry about that, I did actually get the first URL from a different site.


Title: Re: Prince Andrew Underage Sex Abuse Scandal Part II
Post by: gingerboy24 on January 28, 2015, 03:20:42 pm
@Val  -  hove looked on Coleman site and found the article, still there, no idea what has gone wrong. Will repost, good luck.

https://thecolemanexperience.wordpress.com/2014/09/23/are-alleged alleged paedophile-politicians-about-to-fake-their-own-deaths/

Update  -  not working, but article still there.


Title: Re: Prince Andrew Underage Sex Abuse Scandal Part II
Post by: gingerboy24 on January 28, 2015, 05:01:31 pm
^Sorry, caught out in mid flow, the site went down.  Each time I link the article, which still exists, it doesn´t work.  This is the link to the home page, many articles listed, very interesting indeed  - if the link works!!

https://thecolemanexperience.wordpress.com/





Title: Re: Prince Andrew Underage Sex Abuse Scandal Part II
Post by: cate1949 on January 28, 2015, 06:06:26 pm
Ginger can you fix the link to the au story about Andy's efforts to help Epstein being revealed?  I can't get it to work and cannot find it in a search - geez - links not doing well with these stories

thank you!


Title: Re: Prince Andrew Underage Sex Abuse Scandal Part II
Post by: gingerboy24 on January 29, 2015, 10:39:07 am
^Very strange, as the same thing happened to the Coleman site.  Will investigate.

Came on to post this site I found.  Be interesting to see if this one works!!

http://www.datalounge.com/cgi-bin/iowa/ajax.html?t=14805232#page:showThread,14805232,1

Re above request, I have found my original link, reposting it here, it does go through for me, I just checked. Weird.

http://www.news.com.au/lifestyle/real-life/jeffrey-epstein-judge-may-reveal-prince-andrews-alleged-bid-to-protect-alleged alleged alleged alleged paedophile-tycoon/story-fnixwvgh-1227187589517

Nope, not working, very odd.  Maybe filters are in place for these kinds of articles.  Not sure what I can do.

It seems the whole link should be in blue, but isn´t.  It does work, just not on here. Can try pm-ing if you want me too.


Title: Re: Prince Andrew Underage Sex Abuse Scandal Part II
Post by: gingerboy24 on January 29, 2015, 10:49:39 am
 Weird.

Same with the Coleman Experience link.  If anyone wants to read it can pm. Strange how they don´t work on here, they work everywhere else.


Title: Re: Prince Andrew Underage Sex Abuse Scandal Part II
Post by: AnaBolena on January 29, 2015, 02:10:22 pm
^ Does this help to at least get on site

https://thecolemanexperience.wordpress.com/2014/11/29/the-mysterious-death-of-mike-smith/

AU news link shortened.

http://goo.gl/yvHIo0


Title: Re: Prince Andrew Underage Sex Abuse Scandal Part II
Post by: gingerboy24 on January 29, 2015, 02:27:26 pm
I can get on Coleman no problem at all, it is other members who are having the problem.  It seems to shorten on RG somewhow.

Brilliant re AU news article, is there an art to that or a "trade secret".  Went straight through.  Also I had no problem with that in full.  Maybe it depends in the area you live in.  All these techie things beyond me.

Thanks AB, well done and much appreciated.  :flower:



Title: Re: Prince Andrew Underage Sex Abuse Scandal Part II
Post by: Val on January 29, 2015, 02:58:59 pm
@ Little Light.  Found it on a website.  Here is another URL and a link to the website.

http://resources1.news.com.au/images/2015/01/16/1227187/588777-e399b852-9d1c-11e4-b0c3-1d439f0b9016.jpg

How absolutely disgusting - that girl with an enormous tongue salivating over Andrew with him looking delighted - just says everything.

http://www.news.com.au/lifestyle/real-life/jeffrey-epstein-judge-may-reveal-prince-andrews-alleged-bid-to-protect-alleged alleged paedophile-tycoon/story-fnixwvgh-1227187589517

Sorry about that, I did actually get the first URL from a different site.


Title: Re: Prince Andrew Underage Sex Abuse Scandal Part II
Post by: gingerboy24 on January 29, 2015, 03:04:37 pm
^ Strange, we each got the link from a different site, and neither work on here.  Must be something odd on RG, a little glitch or something maybe with link addresses.  Never mind, thanks to AB all well.


Title: Re: Prince Andrew Underage Sex Abuse Scandal Part II
Post by: AnaBolena on January 29, 2015, 03:04:54 pm
^^ GB, I put it through Google link shortener. ;)


Title: Re: Prince Andrew Underage Sex Abuse Scandal Part II
Post by: AnaBolena on January 29, 2015, 03:12:19 pm
^ Ok here's a shortened Coleman link to the actual article posted.

http://tinyurl.com/kqyfcqz

Hope that helps.


Title: Re: Prince Andrew Underage Sex Abuse Scandal Part II
Post by: Kuei Fei on January 29, 2015, 06:39:06 pm
Prince Andrew enjoys getting on with royal duties - as second bid by 'sex slave' lawyers to make him testify on oath fails

Prince Andrews awarded Royal Navy pilots with their Wings today
Royal praised the graduates at event at Royal Naval Air Station Yeovilton
Virginia Roberts claims she had sex three times with Andrew when 17
Lawyers for alleged teenage 'sex slave' are trying to serve papers on Prince
But letters sent to Buckingham Palace and embassy in America sent back
Latest request to testify on oath sent back because it was not 'appropriate'
Prince Andrew publicly denied underage sex allegations at Davos last week
Used televised speech to repeat 'emphatic' Buckingham Palace denials


http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2931314/Sex-slave-lawyers-make-second-bid-Prince-Andrew-testify-oath-s-returned-sender-Foreign-Office.html#ixzz3QElPmuzy
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Title: Re: Prince Andrew Underage Sex Abuse Scandal Part II
Post by: FortressODaveBarry on January 29, 2015, 06:52:10 pm
"couriers FedEx returned a similar letter because it was 'refused' by the recipient at Buckingham Palace."

With apologies to Garth Brooks: "Just give me an hour and then / Well, I’ll be as high as that ivory tower that you’re living in"


Title: Re: Prince Andrew Underage Sex Abuse Scandal Part II
Post by: gingerboy24 on January 29, 2015, 07:12:04 pm
^^   I think I would have been off sick, I could not bare to touch anything he had his vile hands on, would have vomitted all over him.  Yuk, he is gross.  Devalues the awards in my eyes.  Can you imagine, I was given this aware by randy andy.  Perish the thought.


Title: Re: Prince Andrew Underage Sex Abuse Scandal Part II
Post by: gingerboy24 on January 29, 2015, 07:16:02 pm
^^ GB, I put it through Google link shortener. ;)

Thank you, just had a little test run, brilliant.  I never knew such a thing existed  -  learn something new all the time  :thankyou:


Title: Re: Prince Andrew Underage Sex Abuse Scandal Part II
Post by: Kuei Fei on January 29, 2015, 08:48:35 pm
Notice how his appearances are royal centered, they can't refuse him an appearance.

I look forward to Charles becoming King and then seeing Andrew more marginalized.


Title: Re: Prince Andrew Underage Sex Abuse Scandal Part II
Post by: Rosella on January 29, 2015, 10:30:46 pm
Notice how his appearances are royal centered, they can't refuse him an appearance.

I look forward to Charles becoming King and then seeing Andrew more marginalized.

Which he will be! Plus, hope against hope, Fergie may disappear for good by then. Hooray!


Title: Re: Prince Andrew Underage Sex Abuse Scandal Part II
Post by: starsailor on January 29, 2015, 11:24:02 pm
^
You keep breaking one rule of this forum. You keep quoting the posts above yours. There are other ways to respond to posts above yours. I know this is off topic, but it happened so many times that I just wanted to inform you.

^Rosella - This is quite correct.  If you want to answer or respond to a post above yours please use the ^ key.  Thank you.  YM


Title: Re: Prince Andrew Underage Sex Abuse Scandal Part II
Post by: Kuei Fei on January 29, 2015, 11:24:54 pm
If ANYTHING good can come of this, this spells the end of the free ride for the Yorks. No more vacations, play jobs for Beatrice and Eugenie, and no more leeching for Fergie. The BRF has been horrendously dragged down and Fergie has been given enough of HM's patience. Now, before anyone tells me Eugenie has a 'real job,' a real job does not allow their employees to take time off all the time to go across the continent to attend weddings and attend social gatherings in another country. So I don't take Eugenie seriously at all as some actual employee of an art gallery. She's just playing at work and frankly she's no less an albatross. It's not fair for William and Harry to do much of the work while the Yorkies get to do a handful of appearances and get a free ride with full benefits. The Yorks are owed nothing.

Andrew has just horrendously damaged the York name and title, just like Fergie did in the Eighties and Nineties.


Title: Re: Prince Andrew Underage Sex Abuse Scandal Part II
Post by: india on January 29, 2015, 11:52:13 pm
William isn't doing much of anything.


Title: Re: Prince Andrew Underage Sex Abuse Scandal Part II
Post by: CarryingOn on January 30, 2015, 03:03:08 am
William isn't doing anything and neither is Kate. Harry is the only one doing anything, so there's no one for these girls to ride on the backs of. They are heiresses, they're never going to have to get real jobs, 'real' jobs, or any other type of jobs unless they go broke which, while not impossible, is unlikely to happen. All of them are in the same useless boat really.


Title: Re: Prince Andrew Underage Sex Abuse Scandal Part II
Post by: Kuei Fei on January 30, 2015, 04:07:07 am
Like it or not, William and Harry are the ones who will either shoulder the responsibilities or just let it fall, but the Yorks will only make the job harder than it has to be.


Title: Re: Prince Andrew Underage Sex Abuse Scandal Part II
Post by: cate1949 on January 30, 2015, 08:34:53 pm
another article keeping the story alive in the US

http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2015/01/30/conservative-scold-ken-starr-got-a-billionaire-alleged pedophile-off.htmlhttp://



what is notable about this article is that the cover of the National Enquirer story which claims to have the video tapes is featured in this story - but not mentioned much. Just pics of the cover and it's headlines etc.  The NE claims they have video of Andy in the "sex dungeon" having sex.  The cover features a grainy black and white pic of what appears to be Andy in bed.  The NE is one weird paper - but they have broken major stories such as John Edwards love child.  I'd guess they would be open to a major lawsuit if their claims are false.  I don't know what to think about this - but it is just more wood to the fire and if it is true - wow.


Title: Re: Prince Andrew Underage Sex Abuse Scandal Part II
Post by: Little light on January 30, 2015, 08:44:35 pm
can you repost the link please?

It's not working for me.

thank you.


Title: Re: Prince Andrew Underage Sex Abuse Scandal Part II
Post by: Aquitaine on January 30, 2015, 09:21:06 pm
Little light, I couldn't access the Daily Beast link either, but Celeb Dirty Laundry has a copy of the cover here:
http://www.celebdirtylaundry.com/2015/prince-andrews-viral-video-of-sex-slave-scandal-with-underage-girl-caught-on-tape-photo/

@ Cate: I'm not entirely sure what to think about this either - I'd always thought of NE as being a crackpot publication which nobody takes seriously and only ever breaks stories by accident. I'm not entirely familiar with NE, being a Brit, but it seems to me that their M.O. is to keep churning out crazy celeb stories until one of them turns out to be true.

That being said, if the man on the cover really is Andrew and not a lookalike/photoshop job, then it has to be a still from the video they claim to have, and there were reports that Epstein rigged his home with hidden cameras so he could film his VIP guests enjoying his special brand of "hospitality" for future leverage, so it wouldn't surprise me if a video does exist.

And if NE truly did unearth and publish stills from the video, wouldn't that give Epstein/Andrew's lawyers grounds to argue that it cannot be used as evidence in any legal proceedings as having it published in a sensationalist publication like NE would affect the jury's impartiality?


Title: Re: Prince Andrew Underage Sex Abuse Scandal Part II
Post by: CarryingOn on January 30, 2015, 09:32:15 pm
I'm on another forum (not royal related), that posted an article that was originally published the NE and when some people tried to call out the validity of the article due to it being published in the NE, the people who countered said that the NE has apparently had a come up when it comes to their story breaking. They're not a perfect newspaper, you can't take everything they print seriously but apparently TNE has had a few gems in their time and apparently, they did break the John Edwards story.

I'm not going to say in one direction or the other, just that's it's possible.


Title: Re: Prince Andrew Underage Sex Abuse Scandal Part II
Post by: Aquitaine on January 30, 2015, 09:51:09 pm
Thank you CarryingOn - I just glanced at the other headlines they had on the cover and thought, "Nuh-uh, no way is this reputable journalism." I guess we'll have to wait and see whether there's any truth to this - how the attorneys (on either side) react to this revelation will be very telling imo.

(Slightly off-topic, but how does NE compare to something like the Globe?)


Title: Re: Prince Andrew Underage Sex Abuse Scandal Part II
Post by: gingerboy24 on January 30, 2015, 10:01:56 pm
^ I just did a google url shortener on the link (thanks to AnaBolena mentioning the facility). This works for me.

http://goo.gl/B7uacY

Update - just tried it several times and it works for me.


Title: Re: Prince Andrew Underage Sex Abuse Scandal Part II
Post by: Kuei Fei on January 31, 2015, 01:39:21 am
Got this off of my gossip account:

Revolting-Subject ‏@UnRoyalReporter Jan 29

Oh the Grand old @TheDukeOfYork
He had a *nasty* friend
He set him up with teenage girl & monarchy was never the same again


Revolting-Subject ‏@UnRoyalReporter Jan 29

Thr was a wee girl clld Jane Doe,
Who was vulnerable frm head 2 toe
She was barely legal
But he was supposedly regal & he'll get away u know


Yes, it's getting bad for Andrew out there.


Title: Re: Prince Andrew Underage Sex Abuse Scandal Part II
Post by: cate1949 on January 31, 2015, 04:13:31 am
it is so hard to tell with the NE - they are very sensationalistic in the way they cover things and they pay their informants which is frowned upon in the US.  But they have broken several important stories - besides Edwards they also played a key role in the arrest of the person who killed Ennis Cosby and the police gave them credit for that.  They have been sued a lot and have had to retract some stories because their informants lied but as I said - they have uncovered several important stories.  I think the comparison would be with the old News of the World maybe?

If they really have seen video- you'd think they would just publish it.  As for prejudicing a jury - the current case is not a jury trial - a judge is making all the decisions.

The big thing to me is - not so much that they publish the pics - but that they verify that video does exist.  Which it seems they have done so.


Title: Re: Prince Andrew Underage Sex Abuse Scandal Part II
Post by: Kuei Fei on January 31, 2015, 05:47:46 am
The NE is in fact better at scooping out stuff rather than the mainstream media (which we all know is a joke anyway) and this is their latest scoop:

TEEN “SEX SLAVE”: RUSSIAN ROULETTE ORGY WITH PRINCE ANDREW

Quote
Former teen sex slave Virginia Roberts has claimed in court docs that she had sex a third time with Prince Andrew during an 11-in-a-bed “orgy” arranged by Jeffrey Epstein.

Now, in a series of never-before-published exclusive interviews, she describes in explicit detail the British royal’s lurid behavior at the billionaire’s estate in the U.S. Virgin Islands!

“A group of Russian girls who didn’t speak a word of English turned up with a modeling agent who was a friend of Jeffrey’s,” Virginia told ENQUIRER Investigative Editor Sharon Churcher. “That night, there was a dinner and Andrew was there. He said, ‘Hi,’ to me.”
http://www.nationalenquirer.com/celebrity/teen-sex-slave-russian-roulette-orgy-prince-andrew


Title: Re: Prince Andrew Underage Sex Abuse Scandal Part II
Post by: gingerboy24 on January 31, 2015, 09:32:25 am
I can't find that story on the link KF  -  am I missing something, had a couple of looks.  Thanks.


Title: Re: Prince Andrew Underage Sex Abuse Scandal Part II
Post by: Kuei Fei on January 31, 2015, 10:03:34 am
Worked fine for me.

I wonder how long the DM will keep blocking comments from appearing on their articles about Andrew.


Title: Re: Prince Andrew Underage Sex Abuse Scandal Part II
Post by: Val on January 31, 2015, 11:52:44 am
In addition to blocking articles on Andy they are renown for their selective printing of comments particularly of Waity.   They are overwhelmed by negative comments of her yet chose/threatened to print mostly astroturfers gushing and Ma's other paid minions.  They are constantly reported to ISPO for their contravening of the Freedom of Speech Act too.


Title: Re: Prince Andrew Underage Sex Abuse Scandal Part II
Post by: gingerboy24 on January 31, 2015, 01:10:55 pm
Doesn´t work for me, can get on the site but can´t see the article.  Never mind, probably not that interesting anyway. Thanks.


Title: Re: Prince Andrew Underage Sex Abuse Scandal Part II
Post by: YooperModerator on January 31, 2015, 06:11:41 pm
^That's weird.  Maybe it's being blocked outside the US?


Title: Re: Prince Andrew Underage Sex Abuse Scandal Part II
Post by: Kuei Fei on January 31, 2015, 08:24:43 pm
Likely, maybe just in Britain.